Salvation for the Muslims?

The 200 million man army (Rev 9:14-16), (Rev 16:12) is sent to destroy the area around the Euphrates and kill almost the entire Muslim  population.   The area is that of the ancient Babylonian- Persian empire. This includes all land between Egypt, Turkey, and Pakistan.

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Does this mean God hates the sons of Ishmael, or wants them destroyed?

The answer is found in the beginning, before Ishmael was born.

The original covenant that God makes with Abraham:

Gen 15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

Gen 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD [came] unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

Gen 15:7 And he said unto him, I [am] the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land [that is] not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites [is] not yet full.

Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,

Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,

Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

The conflict of the ages starts with Sarah instructing Abraham to have a child with Hagar:

Gen 16:3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

Gen 16:4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.

Gen 16:5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong [be] upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.

Gen 16:6 But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid [is] in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.

Gen 16:7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

Gen 16:8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai’s maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

Gen 16:9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

Gen 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

God announces his covenant with Abraham regarding the land of Canaan:

Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

When Ishmael was about 13 years old, God tells Abraham that Sarai will have a child, (Gen 17:16)

Gen 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be [a mother] of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

Abraham intercedes for Ishmael

Gen 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

God replies that Sarah will have the covenant with Issac, not Ishmael, but that Ishmael will be blessed and become a great nation.

Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.

Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Sarah has Isaac (Gen 21)

.1 And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken.
2  For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.
3  And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.
4  And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him.
.5  And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him.
6  And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me.
7  And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age.
8  And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned.

Ishmael, son of Hagar, mocks Sarah and has to leave with his mother

9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.
10  Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondsman and her son: for the son of this bondsman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
11  And the thing was very grievous in Abraham’s sight because of his son.
.12  And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondsman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

*****There seems to be no wars between Isaac and Ishmael during their adulthood. When Abraham dies, they come together and bury him. The conflict between the mothers seemed to be passed on to their children, especially from Hagar to Ishmael. Also, Ishmael would have felt offended that he was sent away from his father’s house, and that Issac was allowed to stay as the favorite.

The promise for Ishmael. God hears his cry


13  And also of the son of the bondsman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed. –

14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
15  And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
16  And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a borsht: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.
17  And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

God’s promise to Ishmael is different from the one given to Isaac:

Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.


Gen 21: 18  Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.
Gen 21: 19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
Gen 21: 20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
Gen 21: 21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

***note: the promise to Ishmael has nothing to do with the land of Canaan, only that he would be wild, be blessed, and be a great nation. Ishmael is not given this land for his use, but is to dwell in the wilderness, which is not bad, since there is oil there, which makes him rich.

wilderness of paran is in Saudi Arabia.

God has certainly kept his promise to Ishmael. His descendants are rich with oil.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/sa.html

oil = 9.475 million bbl/day (2005 est.)

God also plans to assure that Isaac also gets his inheritance (land of Israel). So, fighting over the land is useless. God will give it to the Jews.

So, with the sons of Ishmael following Allah, instead of Yahweh, does this mean there is no hope for their salvation?

No,

For one thing, not all Arabs are Muslims, although most of them are.

Secondly, Jesus specifically instructed his followers to preach the gospel to ALL nations. The unsaved Arabs need to understand that the one they think is ONLY a prophet, Jesus, is actually the author of their salvation.

They cannot get to the Father except by Jesus, and acknowledging who He really is. Jesus is the son of God, and He will come again, not with anyone, like an Imam, but by Himself. Jesus has enough power of His own to rule the earth as King Messiah. He does not need a man’s help. And he is NOT an assistant to a human king. Jesus is the King.

Click here for more about proof that Jesus is the son of God. First, one has to understand what this title means, and what it does NOT mean. There has been too much confusion over this issue. Christians have not given the Muslims a correct explanation and justification of the role of Jesus, so I blame them for this confusion. This proof will hopefully answer Muslim concerns about the “Trinity” issue. If not, theyare welcome to contact me, and I will help them.

Reference:

https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/jesus-as-the-son-of-god/

Their understanding of who Jesus really is has been clouded by centuries of misunderstanding by the official church, which spent centuries in the Dark Ages, and in an unenlightened form. Religion had replaced truth for too long. And Islam would not have seemed so reasonable if the church done a better job. Mohammad did not understand what Christianity taught, because Christianity did a bad job of explaining itself.

These are the mistakes that Christianity made, which resulted in a religion that was totally unnecessary. Some complaints that Islam has about Christian teachings are justified, because the Christians were too lazy to study their own scriptures and explain them properly. But for Muslims, as well as other people, the truth is there in the Bible if they just stop, read, and study what it says.

Third, while Christians do not accept Allah as Yahweh, Muslims sincerely believe this. Muslims need to pray to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to them who Allah is, and who Yahweh is. If they are the same God, then their teachings will be the same, and the personality will be the same. It says in scripture that God never changes. My finding is that Allah is not Yahweh, the God of Israel, and his teachings contradict what Yahweh says. There is no way to have Jesus in your life, and accept teachings against Yahweh, the God of the Bible. Only Jesus can offer salvation and a path to heaven. Good deeds are not enough, since people sin too much, and cancel everything they do, that is even partly good.

Once the final war of the earth comes, Arabs need to forget about what man has taught them, and look to see what the Bible says about their futures. Man will always twist what God says into something selfish or wrong. Only God is right. When your life is in danger of being destroyed, only Yahweh, Father God, Creator of the Universe, will be able to save those who call upon Him in sincerity. The Bible is for everyone.

Yahweh, Father God, does not want anyone destroyed, or to perish. He wants every child he created to believe in Him and love Him, and to trust Jesus for salvation. He is also a God of justice, and will have to punish those that reject him and his Messiah son, Jesus.

There are over a billion Muslims. I want them to know and understand who Jesus really is, so they will be saved when God’s wrath hits this wicked planet. I hope each Muslim parent, for the sake of their children, seeks out the truth, and proof, of who Jesus really was, and still is. 


37 Responses to “Salvation for the Muslims?”

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  2. Catholic prophesy indicates the defeat of Islam. If I remember correctly, it is through both conversion and military defeat coming from the army of a holy French king.

  3. Hi Brian

    That is the first time I have ever heard that. Interesting. Do you know how this would tie in with the second coming of Christ?

    blessings
    marianne

  4. “There seems to be no disagreement between Isaac and Ishmael during their lifetimes.” I found this quote odd when shortly after, you quote the Bible “And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham mocking.” Surely this is the first sign of conflict between Ishmael (the first born) and Isaac. Isaac might not have been aware of it due to his young age, but his mother certainly was.

  5. Lynn,

    What you say is true. I just meant there were no wars between Issac and Ishmael that we know of. However, as you say, the roots of offense were most likely planted in their spirits at that time.

    Maybe I should fix this so this is more clear. Thanks.

    blessings
    marianne

  6. Lynn,
    that was no conflict between Isaac and Ishmael but between Sarah and Hagar. I don’t think Isaac would have picked up a fight when he was just weaned. The conflict was predicted by God.
    Genesis 16:12 12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

  7. Hi Obelix,

    I think Lynn meant that the offense the mothers felt was passed on to the children, especially from Hagar to Ishmael, since they were rejected. (Gen 21:9)

    But, like you say, his character was predicted ahead of time.

    blessings
    marianne

  8. Why do some people assume Arabs in general are descendants of Ishmael? The present day Arabs are new settlers in Israel and in most of Arabia just as the present Jews are also new settlers. The descendants of Ishmael could be any group of people or nations who are war mongers and that would include all the powerful nations of today.

    The original Jews were dispersed by God because the world would have killed them all if they had continued to live in Israel.Just think of the number of invaders who have been in Israel since Bible times.

    Secondly,why do most people assume the present day Jews are the original Hebrews of the Bible. If they ever were descendants of Abraham, as you all assume, they would have known and loved Jesus Christ, the Messiah and today they would have been known as Christians and followers of Jesus Chris; because they are counterfeits, they shall continue to deny that Jesus Christ was and is the Son of God, it is sad for them and for any one who believes the lies and the deception concerning true Israel. The true children of God, ie. true Israel shall be restored to Israel by God. He probably will not use aeroplanes to move them to Israel. It is good to read the Bible well and to know that the Lord God Almighty has not yet moved Israel to her homeland. I am a bit late in discussing this issue but it is because light has come to me on this one, recently. I also do know that the devil is always behind the counterfeit nations, religions etc of this world.

    Those who have eyes to see shall see.

    God Bless
    Juliet

    • hi Jay cee

      It is true that there is no way to know each one’s past unless one looks at a well documented family tree. We go by what we know of history, and what the people say about themselves.

      It was predicted that the Jews would initially reject their Messiah. Daniel predicted that he would be “cut off” which means killed. But not all Jews did this. only a few.

      Zechariah and other prophets, predicted the return of the Jews to their homeland, aided by gentiles, and the appearance of the Messiah. It will be at that time, those who have not recognized the Messiah will weep over seeing him and accept him.

      The whole christian world will not move to Israel. Only the natural Jews w ill be called to do this. But we Christians do not have to move to Israel to be saved, because we are already saved. 🙂

  9. Yes, not all the people settled in israel are jews. There are people in the state of kerala, India having DNA similar to the jews who have settled there at the time of King Solomon who had trade with kerala; and they are called “Nasranies” i.e. “The followers of Nazraene – Jesus Christ” . Most of their rituals and prayers are old jewish customs. I hope in future they will be part of zion and their King will be Jesus Christ – “Yehoshua”.

    • Hi Matthew

      That is interesting. I hear of small groups still scattered around the world. Many are waiting for the Messiah to show up before they return home. Others, I think, are like many people. They are OK where they are at, and it is a hardship to move.

  10. Salvation for the Muslims? This video is showing how millions of Muslims are having visions and dreams of Jesus and are converting..

  11. I dont think you know who Jesus is. By Him all things consist, and He is the fullness of the Godhead, God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself. “As the Children (of God) were partakers of Flesh and Blook, He took it upon himself (God did) that thru death he might destroy him who had the power of death” “Behold I (God speaking) lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried stone (tried in Pilots hall) a sure foundation.”
    All the Families in heaven are called by his name Jesus Christ, the Rock that followed them in the wilderness and that Rock was Christ. The Only true God Jesus Christ, The beginning and end, first and last. The Holyghost that left him on the Cross (gave up the Ghost) is the Spirit of Christ, the Father that conceived him in the Womb. The same holyghost that come back on Pentecost and set up the Church. Jesus said he would send the Comfortner to them. Jesus said I and my Father are One, not Three. The Trinity is a Man made up doctrine, Satan has allways sponcored many Gods and Idols to worskip. They are preaching another Jesus,
    saying He is the 2nd person in the Godhead. Hell is waiting. Jesus is not coming back to reign on this Earth, He will as Paul said receive the Dead in Christ and we which are alive at his coming, will be changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the Air, and forever be with the Lord, In our New Jerusalem above,
    As Psms 75-2-3 states (God Speaking) “When I receive the Congregation (Church), the Earth and the Inhabitants thereof,
    (Ones who don”t rise up to meet the Lord i Air) shall be Desolved, just as Peter spoke: All these things shall be desolved, but we look for a new heaven and earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. This Earth is reserved unto Fire against the day of Judgement (Last Day) and Perdition of Ungodly men.
    rmossing6@aol.com

    • What about the 1000 years of Christ ruling on earth after the Gog/Magog war? Then Satan is losen a little while before the Great day of judgment.

      I’m just asking.

      • Dear Leatherneck: The Bible does not support Jesus coming back on Earth again. Paul told the order of the resurrection: 1. Christ the firstfruit, and afterwards they that are Christs at his coming. The first resurrection has allready been, and they are reigning with Christ now. When Jesus gave up the Ghost, (Holyghost) on the Cross, there was a great Earthquake and the rocks did rant, the Graves were opened, and many bodies of the Saints arose, and went into the Holy City (Our new Jerusalem above, paul said we are to look up to.) This same resurrection was prophesied by Issah: “Thy Dead Men shall Live, together with my dead body shall the arise, awake and sing ye that dwell in the dust” In Rev 14, John saw them singing before the throne, the 144 thousand, having His Fathers name in their forehead (Jesus said He came in His Fathers Name, the Name All the Families in Heaven are called by.) said they followed the Lamb where so ever he goeth, the 144 thousand. The first resurrection has allready been, there is one more resurrection, the last day, Judgement day. Paul said the Dead in Christ would rise first, and afterward we that are alive at his coming (in the Air, not to Earth)
        will be changed (this mortal must put on immortal) and caught up to meet the Lord in the Air, and forever be with the Lord. (in the Air, our heavenly Jerusalem.
        Peter said this Earth would Burn, but we Look for a new heaven and Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness.
        Psm-75 -2-3 also confirms this (God Speaking, When I (Jesus Christ) receive the Congregation (Church), The Inhabitants (People who do not rise up to meet the Lord in the Air) thereof shall be Desolved. Just as Peter said, this Earth will melt with fervent heat, seeing all these things shall be desolved. It did not say that after the 1000 years reign, they would come back to Earth, But Satan would be loose, and go out to deceive the Nations in 4-corners of Earth, and gather them together unto the Great Day of God Almighty, Judgement Day. The Nations have prepaired for that day, the Atomic and Neclear Bombs are prepaired. Let He Who Has A Ear Hear!

    • You have about a 1/3rd of it right…The Holy Spirit IS the third part of the Trinity!
      John 14:16-17
      And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever– the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. (NIV)

      The Holy Spirit is throughout the entire Bible, what am I saying!?, HE WROTE IT!

      And mentioning that G-D is the begining and the end…the HS hovered over the waters as written back in Genesis…so, Ruth where in the world are you getting this info of yours?

      • Lyndsey, I am getting this from the Bible, When Jesus said He would send the Comfortner in John 14, 16-17 you need to read it correctly, and continue on to verse 18, Verse 17-18 He said He would send the Comfortner the King James version says, and Jesus goes on to say, Even the Spirit of Truth (Holyghost) his own spirit, his own Father that was in Him, God was in Christ the Bible says. Verse 17-18 Jesus calls him the Spirit of Truth, whom the World cannot receive, (He came to his own, but his own received him not, but as many as received him, gave he power to become the Sons of God, the Holyghost, the spirit of Christ inside you makes you the Sons of God) Jesus said but you know him, for He dwelleth with you (himself Jesus Christ, God was in Christ, He took on Flesh, as the Chrildren were, in order to die for our Sins, no other Man was found worthy to do this. verse 17, and He saall be in you, (On the Day of Pentecost, the Holyghose or Comfortner came down, and as cloven tongues of fire sat on each of them.) VERSE 18, I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS, “I WILL COME TO YOU”
        THERE IS NO 3 PERSONS IN THE GODHEAD, YOU ARE GOING AGAINST THE FIRST AND GREATEST COMMANDMENT, “HEAR YE OL ISREAL THE LORD THY GOD IS ONE LORD, AND YE SHALL SERVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART, MIND AND SOUL. PAUL ASKED ON HIS WAY TO DEMASCUS, “WHO ARE YOU LORD? “GOD SAID “I AM JESUS” THE SPIRIT WILL LEAD YOU INTO ALL TRUTHS, YOU NEED NOT ANY MAN TEACH YOU, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM?

  12. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM?

    Ruth said this on July 10, 2010 at 5:04 pm | Reply

    Ruth,

    I am getting my information from the Holy Spirit who dwells within me! I received the baptism in the Holy Spirt in December 1988 with the evidence of speaking in another language of which the Holy Spirit gives utterance!

    I get so very upset when someone denies that the Holy Spirit exists! He is very very very much a part of the trinity! It is Jesus who has the authority and power to give the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the comforter and the one who leads us into all truth. Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life-no one goes to the Father except through him. When Jesus was baptized by John, the Holy Spirt descended upon Him, this is where Jesus received his power so as to complete his ministry. Marianne has a post on here that explains the trinity better than I probably could. How do I say this nicely….i have NOT read the scriptures concerning the HS wrong, for I have first hand personal experience-may I kindly suggest that you look further into the scriptures and ask G-D to show you the truth-better yet-to send to you the Holy Spirit who will lead you into all truth.

  13. the argument here is between Trinitarian and Oneness doctrine

    • Never heard of either. How anyone could misinterpret the scriptures regarding our precious HS is beyond me. Those are the ones that I actually understood compared to Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelations!

      “Receiving the Holy Spirit upon conversion and being baptized in the Holy Spirit are two separate and distinct experiences. The disciples received the Holy Spirit on the day of Christ’s resurrection for the New Testament experience of salvation. At this moment the disciples passed from Old Testament salvation to New Testament Salvation.

      “So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit” (John 20:21,22)”

      http://www.theholyspirit.com/HolySpiritBaptism.asp

  14. This is by far my favourite: “When you don’t know how to pray properly about a situation, you can pray in the Spirit.

    “Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God” (Romans 8:26,27).”

    Ruth, I pray that G-D will remove the blinders and allow you to see and understand the identity of the Holy Spirit, his personality, his role and purpose in your life as a child of the most high G-D!

    The best I can do is say this…Jesus IS the TRUTH and the Holy Spirit GUIDES/LEADS you INTO THE TRUTH, which of course is Jesus! Jesus is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit. The HOly Spirit is on the right hand of Jesus while Jesus sits on the right hand of G-D. G-d the Father, G-D the son and G-D the Holy Spirit.

  15. http://lyndsey1967.wordpress.com/

  16. the arab tribes in arabian peninsula are sons of ishmael you can visit family tree dna to know this . dna of abraham Strain is j1c3 Which is found in the Arabian Peninsula

  17. Listen: the Isaac-Ishmael story, along with Abraham & his rellies, has NOTHING to do with Islam, which is a religion, not an ethnicity. People have been mixing blood in the Middle East for millenia. And Yahweh will give nothing to Israelis because they are NOT His people. Faith is necessary to cause you to belong to Yah, not ethnicity. Did you not read the prophets, apostles and Jesus Himself? John the Baptist said that God could create children out of the stones.

    Also, don’t be hoping that God will wipe people out. God is anti-violence, and soundly condemns the spirit of Cain, both before and now.

    Love your Muslim neighbours! Show them that Jesus is the Prince of Peace, not the Lord of War!

    Cheers,

    Dimitri
    sleeplessinturtleisland blog
    dimitri.pravdin(*a*)mail.ru

    • dimitri…bless you brother! Agree, so many confuse Judaism (religion) with Israelis (race). Who is to say you have to be Israel born to be Jewish? or better yet, cannot an Italian, Mexican, Arab, German, etc be Jewish? This is a line so many cross without thinking first. Just because someone is a certain race does not make him fall into ANY stereotypical mold. If I am an American does that mean I love apple pie, baseball, and hotdogs? LOL

      • HI DebOrah,

        Yes, I can’t believe how many people, whether Christian, Jew, Muslim, agnostic, atheist, whatever, fall into the trap of believing that you can actually trace Abraham’s specific descendants to this day and age. Horse rubbish. Jacob = present day Jews or even Israelis, and Ishmael = modern Arabs or Muslims? No way. There were already multitudes of ethnicities in the Middle East at the time of Abraham, and many more invaded or migrated there over the centuries. There has been TONS of inter-racial and inter-religious mixing, so how can anyone be so sociologically, anthropologically and ethnographically (is this a word???) naive as to think A = B, and deduce their political and religious views based on that? And besides, Abraham’s descendants were never based on pure ethnicity, but on FAITH / PRACTICE. That’s one them of Genesis, that Yahweh worked through the individuals of Abe’s lineage who were WILLING to follow Him wholeheartedly. Blood meant little, allegiance meant everything. Cheers to you, Dimitri

        • FORTISSIMO! Dimitri….you got a hammer and ya hit all the nails directly on their little heads LOL Perhaps this is one of the ‘lost keys’ that must be taught above all in ALL ‘ethnographic’ regions. Something this simple could change the world view. It agonizes my heart that the world has become so separated through hatred of race, ethnicity, and religiosity. The result is a species who continues to kill his own kind in mass 😦 How soon man forgot that we all came from the same origin….created by God. That is our common link.

        • This may help….

          Muhammad or Jesus …..The Prophet Like Unto Moses

          http://www.defendproclaimthefaith.org/muhammad_or_jesus_unto_moses.htm

  18. When Jesus starts his next mission. He will fire up the muslims and they will burn in hell forever after that.

    • Islam is the second largest religion with Christianity the first (36% world population). Last I checked, Mohammadeans were prominant (10% or higher of population) in around 56 countries. Of course, they exist throughout all countries. The UN recognizes 193 countries (some are combined with others ie. Puerto Rico, etc territories). Last count I saw was 1.2 billion muslims worldwide~or 5.2%=about 1/5 of 7 billion total on earth. Christians number around 2.3 billion worldwide.

  19. Who am I to judge another? Different races have existed for so long that the world has become homogeneous. Are you ready to jump to judge another race or man? What if you learned that you had arab blood in your ancestral tree? would you then feel righteous to condemn another? This thread is leaning toward judgement and hate for another group of God’s creation. I abhor hatred and don’t even like to include it in my vocabulary. The Word has been twisted, misconstrued, manipulated over time, as witnessed alone by the ‘new versions of bibles’ present today to oppress truth and oppress peoples. Only God will judge! We have a veryyyyy long road to go if this is the kind of message that lives in the hearts of men.

    You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. matt7:5

    Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.eph5:11

    ps. go back to the book of John and read Jesus’ commandments to us!

  20. […] Salvation for the Muslims? […]

  21. Isaac and Ismael did seem to get along. It was Esau, Jacob’s twin brother that was conflictive. Also Canaan, the grandson of Noah, had already open doors to the adversary when he decided to settle in the land that Noah originally gave to his son Shem. Canaan, who was said to be Ham’s son, was supposed to settle in West Africa as per Noah’s instruction (see book of Jubilees). He most have had his reasons to want him far awya from the rest…

    Earlier it was with the descendants of Cain that the fallen angels procreated with creating the Nephilim (book of Jasher) and we know Scripture says that they still mingled with man afterward. Would Satan not try to use the descendants of Canaan and Esau to try to bring about its evil plan? Ishmael received a blessing becasue Abraham interceded for him but all Muslims are not Ishmaelites, in fact some are even Israelites forced to convert. Moreover, there are Asians that are Muslims as well.

    Of course we have to ask ourselves who was it that really started the Muslim religion? What were their motives?

    There is an interesting commonality in the gene pool of Jews and Muslims that is traceable back to Abraham… On the one hand we know Yahveh will not go back on His promises, on the other hand we know those promises included the giving of the land to Israel and what will happen to those that oppose it, including the descendants of Canaan and Esau.

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