Secret Place of Thunder



We cry out to God in distress, and He thunders in response.

Psa 81:7 

Thou called in trouble, and I delivered thee; I answered thee in the secret place of thunder: I proved thee at the waters of Meribah. Selah.

Our daily lives are filled with normal needs, our activities, interactions with others, problems and searches for solutions, and a few moments with the Lord.

We pray, and all is quiet, and we rest in faith that He heard us, and He will answer.

Most of our lives, we live in this quiet mode, waiting on the Lord.

Then disaster strikes.


Our complete, desperate focus is on God for help.

We are suddenly alone with God, and He has our complete attention.

We are now in a different reality and dimension.

We cling to Him.

We are in the secret place, and God is there with us.

In the secret place, God thunders in response.


The Laws of Physics reveal God’s design.

Newton’s third law of motion. formally stated, is:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.


The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects.

The size of the forces on the first object equals the size of the force on the second object.

The direction of the force on the first object is opposite to the direction of the force on the second object.

Forces always come in pairs – equal and opposite action-reaction force pairs.

So, the forces will look like this:


What does this have to do with prayer and thunder?

The stronger and more intense our action is toward God, the stronger and more intense He will respond back toward us.

Examples from scripture:

Gentle approach

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to you.

Psalm 91:1 He that dwells in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

Intense approach

From Psalm 18 –notice the intensity of the prayer and the dramatic response from the Lord:

6 In my distress I called to the Lord;
    I cried to my God for help.
From his temple he heard my voice;
    my cry came before him, into his ears.
7 The earth trembled and quaked,
    and the foundations of the mountains shook;

    they trembled because he was angry.
8 Smoke rose from his nostrils;
    consuming fire came from his mouth,
    burning coals blazed out of it.
9 He parted the heavens and came down;
    dark clouds were under his feet.
10 He mounted the cherubim and flew;
    he soared on the wings of the wind.
11 He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him—
    the dark rain clouds of the sky.
12 Out of the brightness of his presence clouds advanced,
    with hailstones and bolts of lightning.
13 The Lord thundered from heaven;
    the voice of the Most High resounded.
14 He shot his arrows and scattered the enemy,
    with great bolts of lightning he routed them.

Exodus 19 – Moses at Sinai- Moses came before God on a fast, no food or water for 40 days

16 On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled.

17 Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain.

18 Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, and the whole mountain trembled violently.

19 As the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him.


Final Note

God hears all prayer.

Some may be more comfortable with a calm, gentle approach to God, and then waiting in faith, knowing that a response will come.

God is faithful, and will respond.

Others may be more intense in their approach and get a more dramatic response.

Jesus said

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. (Matt 7:7)

Asking is the most passive approach, and notice that “it will be given.”

Seeking requires more effort, and the result is positive.

Knocking is the most intense effort, and this opens doors.

It is up to us.

It is important to know about this, because intense circumstances require intense action, and we may need to modify our approach to receive a needed response.

48 Responses to “Secret Place of Thunder”

  1. I am seeking HIm in distress now, crying out for an answer. Perhaps then he will respond strongly. In the past, I can remember a time when I was in great need, and prayed very intensely while in church, for quite a period of time. Then it seemed everything changed. I felt I was in the First Century, that the whole interior of the church was in the First Century, and we who were there had that closer access to the Lord which might have occurred then (don’t know if that’s true but so it felt like). After church I drove home and was tired, so went up to my bedroom, and reached up to pull the curtains closed. I felt I was still in that time loop of the First Century. Then I saw Jesus above me in the clouds, with stars, and he told me without words to feel His love. I did feel it until i filled me up and I lay down because I was as full of that love as I could get. And I went to sleep.

    How I wish I could have that strong a response again. And I pray it for anyone else who needs a strong, thunderous response from God, that they may be led into such deep beseeching prayer that they are answered. I do not have any rational reason why this should be so, that God should need such strong beseeching to manifest thus strongly. But Marianne has brought up a good idea here! How strange that this should be so! It does not seem reasonable! How little we can understand His ways while we are yet in this world!

  2. Mariel – I enjoyed your post – God bless your heart dear sister. I think at times after we have had an experience with the Lord. We go through the wilderness that proves our Love and Faith. I use to sing a song years ago while in Pentecost – You got to keep walking, keep walking – walking in the light of the lord. He will manifest to you when He so desires. Lord bless you and just “Keep walking” He loves us more than we could ever imagine.

  3. Did you also know: “Every action has an equal and opposite… criticism.” (This is probably a law of people though, more than a law of physics.)

  4. Amen – Nicetimingcom

  5. Mariel

    Matthew 6:7-8
    “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.”

    Luke 20:46
    “Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely.”

    Proverbs 17:3 The refining pot is for silver and the furnace for gold, But the LORD tests hearts.

    God sees our hearts BEFORE you ask Him. Pray, yes, but avoid repetition of same words/requests. Jesus prayed 3 prayers in Gethsemane.
    He ‘tests’ our hearts through our trials to REFINE us (our hearts/faith) to become like silver or gold.

    Hang in there sister and it will be revealed to you in God’s time and plan for you. We all have ‘crosses to bear’ in our lives that most definitely ‘refine’ our hearts. He truly does work in mysterious ways. As our hearts are forged in the refining pot or the furnace…the JOY comes as we become silver or gold.

    blessings to you 🙂

  6. I have some questions I can’t figure it out
    1) do we remember our memory in heaven? If so, would it be partly or entirely?
    2) if a person had brain damage on earth, will they remember their memory in their former life?

    Thank you, I am waiting for your response 🙂

    • Perf
      1 Yes we do remember our memory in heaven. Read Rev. where you will find out that the disciples are locked in a room and waiting to be human again.
      2 no

  7. “Perfection” here is your answer.

    PROVERBS 10:7 The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot.

    ISAIAH 26:14- They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

    When Samuel was summoned out of Paradise by a witch – He sure knew Saul. – Cause Samuel was a Godly man a Prophet

    When Jesus rose from the dead – He sure remembered His People.
    Because He was God – and God cannot Die.

    But if a man does not Rise in resurrection – Then they are dead period. And remember nothing.

    So If you Got Jesus living in you and you rise – sure you will have a memory.

    But if your lost – Your memory, flesh, soul, and very being is perished.

  8. Thanks. But the brain has already damaged?

    Also, does believing in god, be regretful, and accept resurrection will go to heaven? God wants to save everyone because he is love and peace, so will the sinful one no matter what extent be saved if they accept him?

    • The worst sinner, if he repents, and is sorry for his sins, can be saved.

      • Thank You for your answer. Wouldn’t it be not fair like if he was sinful to a person which he has stolen a bike for example from the victim, does he need to say sorry first? And would the victim’s sadness still be there because it was his only bike he could afford?

        Also, why did God so easily kill a person even the person did not committed the worse crime like murder? It seem like he is very sensitive to the tiny details of impurity. But why did he change his way of love and not kill any person again after that, like he sent Jesus to die at the cross, it was great sacrifice but if God is perfect, wouldn’t he realize at first that he loves every one of us even committed sins and not kill the person like above? I know I sound confusing and the question itself is not the clearest I had expected. And specifically, Genesis 38:10.

        One more question, there are a world population of Around 6,000,000,000, so God once mentioned he can do anything, does that mean he could listen, observe…etc all those people at once every second without a miss? And I can’t imagine about judgement day if there for example more than 100,000 people die per day over the world and God would be really busy, or can he serve it like an instant? I sound stupid about this, but I am still wondering.

        • Perfectionist, the scripture says He will wipe away all tears from our eyes and Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1: 17

          The sadness of things here below will give way to the Joy and Prescence of the Lord here and in Heavan.

          To your thoughts on the things that happen on the earth good and bad, the earth was given to man to (Adam and Eve and their descendants) Noah and all the peoples after to rule over the earth in what God hoped I am sure would be in peace, He does not take away that gift until the time of mans rule is over and the rule of Christ is come. We all ask the same questions I assure you. I remember when I was a child and I was taught that God id Omnipotent and was everywhere by my mother when she read the stories in the Bible to us. Well I still found it difficult to understand when I was older but, then when I asked Jesus in my heart He Himself has shown me how much He knows our hearts and how much He loves us is shown by His Great Mercy and Grace, but, the fact is that their are many that do not want Him and die so, but, there are still many that may repent of their sins and be saved just as the one thief on the cross repented of his sin and Jesus told him in that moment He would be with Him in Paradise this day. He is a merciful God and all He wants is for us to Love Him. He has made all things and they are all in His hands…even the great planets and eternity so He is greater than any of us can understand and has time for us all because of His great Love for us. He is God.

          For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

          God bless you and your good inquiring mind perfectionist girl.

        • In your example with the bike, if the thief is really sorry, he will return the bike.

      • All sin, and all reoccurring sin, all past sins, in fact every time we fail in word or deed is washed clean by taking the Holy Bread and the Holy Wine in remembrance of Jesus sacrifice.

        We all sin every day, we know that we shouldn’t but we do. You may think how can I be righteous? But you cannot be righteous and sin not, because there is only one that is righteous and we rely on His righteousness and not our own.

        All our power to live this life and to destroy evil spirits that try to enslave us comes by our daily communion with Jesus Christ. By partaking of the bread and the wine, we destroy all evil spirits that cause us to sin, there should be not one day that goes by that you or I should miss taking the mighty ordinance of life.
        The bread and wine is your daily bread, if you are sick, this is your first and most powerful attack on your sickness. If you have a weakness or any failing in your life like addictions this is your first and most powerful attack on your addictions.

        If you feel that anyone is attacking you with evil witchcraft or just nasty people which hate you for no apparent reason, then take the bread and the wine daily and you will see Christ destroy that evil too.
        When we begin to take the bread and the wine we first pour water from a vessel that is new, that water must be blessed by prayer, put your right thumb in this water saying, “ Jesus please bless this water”. Then say “water be blessed”.

        Pour some of this water on your hands to cleanse them. Then light a new candle which reminds us that Jesus is the light of the world, then place some bread in a new bowl and the wine in a new cup, set it before you, kneel down, put your hands together, close your eyes, then pray “Father please forgive me my sins, cleanse me and I shall be white as snow”.

        Then pray for your family, then say psalm 91, which will protect you from all evil that may come to you that day. Then open your eyes, stand up, blow out the candle and pour some more blessed water on your hands, now you can begin your day completely clean from head to toe.

        This will only cleanse you and protect you for twenty four hours, you must repeat it every day.
        May Adonai richly bless you, for your love and obedience to Him in Christ Jesus name, Yeshua Hameshia.

  9. I pray that everybody on this forum is alright on the day after Sandy. Lord bless you all.

  10. The Kingdom of God
    The Bible speaks of others that were ordained unto eternal life, and when Paul preached to them, he said, “As many of them as were ordained unto eternal life, they believed.” God is no respecter of person. He did not predestinated you or predetermined your destination in any selfish way or in any respect of person, but He, by foreknowledge, saw what you would do when you were confronted by the ministry and by the Word, and before you were ever born into the world, you found your place either in God or in the lake of fire by what He foreknew that you would do. Foreknowing that some of you would try to serve God and you could not withstand the wiles of the devil (because man is made a little lower than the angels, and the angels are far stronger than man), God had to send the Spirit of His own Son, even the Holy Spirit, into your heart, crying, “Abba, Father,” to give you the strength to resist the devil because you wanted to serve God. They that will not serve God do not receive the Holy Spirit. They never even get their eyes open to see the kingdom of God. Jesus said, “Lest ye be born again, you’ll never see the kingdom of God.” The kingdom of God it cometh not by observation, as to seeing with your natural eye. That’s why the Jews missed it. It comes by revelation. The eyes of your understanding being enlightened, to comprehend the heights, the depths and the length of this great, wonderful thing. The kingdom of God is within you, in that the law and the prophets were until John, since that time the kingdom has been preached and men have pressed their way into it. The world is placed within you at your first birth, and when you are born again, the world goes out of you and the kingdom of God comes in because the world is a mind. Satan’s world is a mind, your world is a mind, and God’s world is a mind.

  11. Nice Tom 🙂
    We are all climbing Jacob’s ladder in a quest to see the Divine Power & Glory of our Creator through achieving the Divine Principle. Our journey is the path that we each must travel, sometimes alone, and other times in companionship; yet in conclusion each singularly our own. We may experience wonders and miracles or hardships and defeats. Both are necessary, however; to obtain the desired outcome. Just like the ‘refining in the fire’ that may or may not result in silver or gold. Some tools along the way may be purity (no negativity), learning the laws/rules for living (education), emotional maturity (sincerity/affection), lifegiving light (growth sharing), cooperation (loss of competition/control/domination), wisdom (fair judgement/leadership/religious insight), deep composure (balance/teacher/good shepard), and finally…..drum roll lol….KNOWING or the divine principle where we have cast off all the ills (world systems) and are compelled to share in the service of others. Many names come to mind here…..

    Christ was the perfect example of the Divine Principle and the 2 most important things he taught us were: love God, love your neighbor.

    Matthew 22:35-39 (KJV)
    35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
    36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    38 This is the first and great commandment.
    39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    And isn’t it amazing a lawyer (a Pharisee) did the asking? Now when we think of lawyers, we think of educated men, yet this lawyer still had much of his journey to travel before he could come to the understanding of Christs’ words. This expert fellow of the law thought his ego could beat Christs’ divineness. HA!

    It blows my mind that each and every one of us is born with the Divine principle/plan within us. What a wonderful design!! And when we seek to find Him, it is revealed to us through our journey.

    The longestttttt journey begins with just a single step.

    much love to you Tom

  12. thank you Deb – Praise God –

  13. Your state of Mind is your New Birth: Its a New Creation – A miracle
    So, when you think of this, it is a state of mind. The Bible said to not be weary and faint in your mind. Be not weary in well doing, for in due season, that is, at the time appointed, when you finish your course, after you’ve done all that you’re supposed to do, then He said that the house will completely be built, furnished, painted, and glorified. Everything will be ready for you to move in. If this tabernacle be dissolved, the one that you have that comes from the beast, from the fall in the garden; if that tabernacle be dissolved, you’ve got another one. It’s the tabernacle, the body of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the Spirit, eternal in the heavens. It’s not made with hands.
    So then, death is a state of mind. Life is a state of mind. Death is the state of mind that comes from Lucifer, the tree of knowledge. If you live like that and think like that, you will automatically believe like that. In unbelief you are cut off from the Spirit of life, and the Spirit of life cannot fellowship you because of your evil heart of wrong thinking or unbelief. As a man thinketh in his heart, so he is. But, there is that state of mind that is the mind of Christ. If that mind lives in your heart, your thinking will make you eternal because it will give you the faith of God that is in the mind of God, and it will change your body from within outwardly, from glory to glory, faith to faith. What I am saying is that it’s a state of mind.
    The Bible said that God has put the world in your heart; that is, they that are not born again. The world is a state of mind. They that are worldly minded have the love of the world in them. To be worldly minded is death. If the love of the world is in you, the love of the Father isn’t there, because the love of the Father is the love of celestial things. So then, God has placed the world in your heart by allowing the mind of Lucifer to be there, and when you are born again, that world is killed out. That world leaves you. Lucifer is cast out of your body. He’s not in the body of Jesus Christ, therefore, the kingdom of heaven is within you.
    So the worldly state of mind is taken out, and then comes the kingdom of God, the heavenly realms, or God’s world, the state of the mind of Jesus Christ. In that mind is the faith. Contend for the faith that was once delivered unto the saints. They were shut up under the law at Calvary, or unto the faith that should afterwards be revealed, that is, after Calvary. It was the faith of Jesus Christ that stood the test, the faith that was in His heart and in His body. It never wavered one time. After Calvary came the promised Son, or the promise of eternal life, the promise of the Holy Spirit, and the promise of Christ within Jesus, who never wavered one time in His faith.
    When you come to Calvary, and find the Calvary of your life, then that faith comes. If you receive that faith, then it goes into your heart. It’s a state of mind, for in the mind of Christ is that transformating faith. Enoch was translated by faith that he should not see death, translated by faith, from within outwardly. His faith looked beyond the veil of flesh and saw Calvary and Resurrection. And he went right on in to the inner veil by Faith. He got “Born Again”. And the Kingdom of God came into him. The Heart and Mind is intertwined according to the Prophets. If we cannot see past and through this world. Then you are still in flesh. Still veiled and blinded by it.
    Lord bless your people in Jesus Name

  14. Hey Tom
    I hope you took a breath lol. I think you and I come from a similar place.

    Apostle Thomas: Chapter 24
    Saying 22 of the Gospel states most vividly and fully the recurrent theme. Jesus sees infants being suckled. He tells his disciples that these infants are like those who enter the kingdom. “Shall we then,” they ask, “as children, enter the kingdom?” This prologue calls to mind, of course, the familiar saying from the canon: “Suffer the little children to come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

    Jesus replies: “When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner as the outer, and the upper as the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male shall not be male, and the female shall not be female: . . . then you will enter [the kingdom].”

    This is the divine process to obtain the divine principle. Peter knew it and thus was crucified upside down. The carnal attachments, which are too many to list; are what we must fight to lose.

    The Tree of Life in the garden represents the Law of God or the spiritual path. Now remember The Tree of Knowledge was created by God. And God tells us all his creations are ‘good’. Thus the name, ‘The Tree of Knowledge of GOOD and evil’. Eve recognized the fruit to be good and she eats it and doesn’t fall down dead from the ingestion of it. But once she recognizes she has defied God’s command for her to only partake of His Holy Word, she also has the epiphany that she has created a sin. In other words, what do men judge each other by? The law of men (not God) and so the evil part of the forbidden tree is the law that men create that will surely make them die. It is the enmity between men. If men ‘judge’ other men from the Holy Spirit/Tree of Life/God’s law….surely they will NOT die, because we all would have compassion for them, instead of putting them to death as we do under man’s laws. Eve and Adam tried to cover themselves with the fig leaves from the Tree of Life, but it was to late for a ‘coverup’ lol. The deed was done. Once a man is judged and sentenced by another man and the ACTION has been taken, it’s too late to turn back.

    Now I know lucifer was also present, who I view as the ‘temptation’ or defiant spirit present in the nature of all men. This just reinforces that we must never turn away from the Word of God. We have the ability to formulate and build our temple in to a perfect tree of life, in spite of all the lucifers or laws of men. It takes a lifetime to ‘unlearn’ the ‘ways of men’ and to make the inner (societal belief systems) like the outer (spiritual divine) and the upper (God) like the lower (man) and to merge the separation of sexes into ONE. You can call it mind, as the mind is definitely involved. I also would include the heart in there too. But ultimately, once the divine principle is applied and one can truly KNOW the Divine Power and Glory and Authority, then the soul emerges fully as a child.

    Hope that made sense lol. I stop there so I can take a breath. lol


  15. Yea DebOrah – Amen -I’m with you on most of it. The finality of a post or sermon or study is what its all about. It reveals the beginnings. Same with Life in Christ – Its not so much how we start. But getting past the beginning stages and into the ” Image of Jesus Christ” is our final goal. I call it. “Word made flesh” – this is where God wants us all to be. In HIS IMAGE – The Love of God is the law of God through Jesus Christ. His ways are not our ways. To go up is down and vicie versie. When we humble ourselves HE lifts us up. But if our pride will not let us we will fall down. If God was to mark our inquities – who could stand. Children forgive pretty easy when they know you love them. And Children also if trained right will have Godly conscience when they do wrong. If they hurt their Father and or Mother then their own heart is sad. I know that is true in my life. I wanted to please them and never hurt my parents. Now it to please my Heavenly Father.
    Thanks for your post and insight. May you be blessed always.

  16. Tom
    This comes to mind….

    I see all the spiritual athletes running up to the mountain as fast and furious as they can to be closer to God, all the while shouting and sweating profusely until finally they cry out in a loud voice to the Father while standing on the mountain top, thinking they are closer to God than those standing at the base of the mountain.

    Then I see a child who is silent and smiling at the base of the mountain with the sun shining on her face, feeling it’s warmth, And then she quietly stretches both her arms up high into the air, when she feels the hands of God picking her up and holding her close to His heart and knowing in silence, she is higher than those shouting from the mountain top.

    ….and with you also.

  17. Thats Good DebOrah – Keep up the insights –

  18. after the election, what will happen ? can not image.
    Lord help us !

  19. about the election, for some prophecy predict the other way around,
    so still in shock,

    • dear lordhelpus

      not sure what prophecy you heard, but this election is not a surprise to those whose hearts are right, but their eyes are open.
      what will happen?
      what has been predicted in the bible for thousands of years.

  20. How many have heard of Preterist teachings. The Futurist always putting things out in the future in some great event they think the world is going to see. When Jesus and the bible says “it comes as a thief in the Night”. Noah’s world never seen the antichrist – Cause they was the anti-christ and was serving their Governement of manmade standards=tree of death. Those Beastly nations are the anti-christ.
    We only live in Gods Government or Satans the serpents Government. What do you think the 2 trees were all about. What was Cain and Abel all about. Gen.1:11 in the very Beginning of time. God said the “SEED beareth whatever it is”. The seed can only bear what it is to begin with. This is why God had to make a way back to the Tree of life. But the majority do not want it. They are serving their gods of self, carnality, power, lust, governments, rules and regulations on and on and on.
    Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the SAME YESTERDAY,TODAY, and FOREVER – That never changes – that is history, that is today, and tomorrow. God is trying to tell us. But we are so wrapped up in the future you are missing whats happening right NOW. What do you think the Prophets were always making the people mad at them. Moses led the children of Israel out of the most powerful nation in the world at that time. They actually wore a snake on their head. Every beastly nation after that were just like them. Our great Nation has spoke out very loud. We are the new Sodom and Gomorrah of today. America is in Apostasy. We are just like Israel was when Christ Came as a “THIEF IN THE NIGHT”. That is not only sexual things and lust and war and hate – ITS PRIDE – that is Satans CHARACTER. That is SATANS MARK – Israel in Jesus time were so decieved by their tradtions they could not see GOD in FLESH BODY. Where is the Brides VOICE in AMERICA – Run from your traditions and seek God with a WHOLE HEART – Notice h-ear-t – give a earnest desire to listen to what GOD is saying to you. Seek and you shall find.
    I say all of this in LOVE cause I really, really care about this forum and People of all faiths, and sinners and all. You gonna be caught still thinking anti-christ is still out there somewhere. God help us Lord. PREACH and TEACH THE GOSPEL – The True ONE – not man’s ideas.

  21. Psalm 29 also gives us an indication of the power of His voice, which will be evident in the 7 Thunders of Revelation.

    His thunder is not described in Revelation to provide The Antichrist (Satan), a surprise, but verse 10 tells us “The Lord will give strength to His people (see Psalm 46); The Lord will bless His people with peace (Romans 14:16 – the  Kingdom is righteousness, peace and joy in the Spirit).

    In fact, His people (the 144,000), will say “Glory!” (verse 9). These Believers will “give unto the Lord the glory due to His name; Worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness” (verse 2).

    Here are a few verses of Psalm 29 (with a few linkages to other Scriptures).

    “The voice of the LORD is over the waters; the God of glory thunders; The LORD is over many waters.”(See Job 37 and  Gen. 1:2)

    “The voice of the LORD is powerful; The voice of the LORD is full of majesty.” (Please read, Hebrews 2:18-28)

    “The voice of the LORD “stirs up” the flames of fire.” (Acts 2:1-39 and then Luke 12:49-50!)

    Manifestation of His Thunder in the coming last days are found in Joel 2. Regarding the phrase “who can stand” – read Malachi 4 and also see Moses and Elijah are listed (witnesses?!).

    This past week there was specific confirmation regarding Joel 2:23-24.

    Clue – the first month is Nisan.

    The next 18 weeks are going to go by quickly (Luke 12:43-48).




    It is revealed to us by the scripture that our Lord is a Person and that Person is Jesus Christ. The first verse of the book of Revelation opens this truth to us. The whole book of Revelation is the revealing of one great Person. Revelation 1:1 – “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to
    pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.”

    We find in the last chapter of the book another reference that reveals to us the same important fact. In the last chapter it is revealed that the whole book is the work of Jesus Christ in the Church! Revelation 22:16 – I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Whatever you read in the entire book of revelation has to be tied back into the work of Jesus Christ in the churches or you have missed the understanding! Now we are beginning to understand why we needed a prophetic ministry. The 7th angel came to tie together all the loose ends in the work of the church.

    When we understand these truths then we won’t place the work of Christ in another age outside the Wife of Christ. When we read of the Alpha and Omega, the Son of Man, Son of God, and Son of David, the Candlesticks, the White Wig of Wool, the Seven Eyes, the Seven Horns, the Lamb, the Lion, the Four Beasts, The Woman in Heaven with the moon under her feet, the ministry of Moses and Elijah, the Seals & Trumpets & Vials & Thunders, the Mighty Angel, the Wedding Supper, the Beloved City New Jerusalem, the New Heaven & New Earth, the Tree of Life and the Lake of Fire we have to place all these things as the work of Jesus Christ in the church!

    You can not separate Jesus Christ from his Body. The Wife of Christ is the literal Body of Christ! Now let’s look at this Lake of Fire that seems to be so mysterious to the message clergy who tries to put it as a future work. We know they have it wrong for one simple reason. The denominational and message clergy does not put the Lake of Fire as a Work of Jesus Christ in the Church! The nominal belief is that if you are a mean person in this life then some day after this life you will be put into the lake of fire and burned. Some think it is an eternal burning and others think that it is a burning of the person for a period of time and then you are annihilated in eternal separation from God. Nonetheless, both thoughts are that there is a burning after this life in some huge lake of fire and that is not true! The body of death goes back to the grave, hell, and the spirit/soul is annihilated by the Word of the Hour, Christ.

  23. Something to chew on –
    Dear Bro Fred –
    The Law itself is not evil (Rom 7:7), but it allowed us to see and understand the “inherent sin nature within us” (Rom 3:20, 7:7). The Tree of Knowledge was itself not evil, but allowed Adam and Eve to “see that they were naked” (Gen 3:7). Dear Bro. Fred – You see that is what the LAW also did. What this is saying is – the Tree of knowledge of Sin – had to be – to show mankind his own earthly Evil nature – Evil came from God giving man a FREE WILL – Free will is where Sin originated. Through the Fleshly desires. Adam = The “Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil’”—— remember mankind was from the Earth = clay — Jesus Christ was a quickening Spirit – From Heaven. Jesus is what we are. After we been Born Again in a brand NEW CREATION.
    So we have — 2 trees – 2 persons – Adam from Earth and one from Heaven Jesus. God in His great plan of Salvation had to let mankind fall to show His REAL LOVE – SAVIOR ATTRIBUTE to him. God had purpose in letting man see his dark side. The earthly in contrast to the heavenly creation. That today is what is MISSING in our new converts of this hour and age.
    No Fall — NO need for a Savior amen. This is God revealing HIMSELF through HIS attributes of the ONE PERSON. Creator, Savior, Son, Brother, Healer, Spirit, etc. etc. etc. All one “Character” in a single manifestation of one Person of Gods CHARACTER. Now lets turn that over to Adam – and hold on to your seat – Adam -“One person of attributes” also become Satan a adversary by his HUMAN SPIRIT or soul desires of THE EARTHY CHARACTER. There are only 2 Morning Stars mentioned in the Bible and them two was Adam and the 2nd. Adam= Jesus Christ – Adam rose himself “above” the Word of God that was given unto him. By sex desire. Though he was not deceived it was Eve that was in the transgression. Adam was a type or shadow of Christ loving his Bride so much He would die for her. So he lifted himself above Gods word to have Eve. He got to anxious. He listened to his human Spirit and not Gods Voice = WORD. It was of the fleshly CHARACTER and produced the twins – Cain and Abel
    The Law = tree of knowledge of good and evil – had to come for to give God’s plan of salvation a deliverer. We had to have an “Adversary” to understand Gods mighty “Plan of Salvation”. This might blow your mind – But the Trees in the Garden were God=Jesus = Tree of Life –and—Adam becoming the fallen “son of god” The tree of death= the curse. The Tree of Life vs. The tree of death. Even though Adam was created in the Very “IMAGE” of God Himself – and had the Breath of the Spirit of God in him. “ please remember it was Eve that put Him in this precarious situation = Adam now had to die. But God had the Plan of salvation already at work. Becoming the 2nd. Adam to set him free. God prepared for Himself a BODY to step into. Jude says the angels fought over that body – Remember Paul said it Was Christ that was in Moses. – I love the Word.
    Now lets prove this by Scripture
    Matt. 6:33 – seek ye first the Kingdom of God and “HIS” righteousness. Plainly says the Kingdom of God is a Person — Yes Jesus Christ was the Tree of Life – Only found in Genesis and Book of Revelation. The Alpha and Omega. The Mystery of Christ “Hidden in between” – the Whole bible is teaching us the “Revelation of Jesus Christ” – Then Christ Himself ends with the Revelation of Jesus Christ in a summary of what the whole bible is all about. The mystery of Christ in HIS CHURCH —- N.T and O.T — Rev. 22:16
    Remember that All Scripture has a “spirit” with it that is good from Genesis to Revelation –Scripture can be for O.T days and N.T days both in one Scripture- Many Scripture’s have a compound meaning in them . Paul explained it in Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever. Jesus is the Manifested WORD in each AGE. That was a deep one but so true along with this next one. —- If Jesus “Person”= CHARACTER is the “Kingdom of God” Then its Adams or Mankinds “Person”= CHARACTER in the Kingdom of this world —think about that bro. Fred. I love the word of God. Isaiah 14:16-17 said — Is this “THE MAN” that made the earth tremble and did shake kingdoms. then ver 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? Who was the very first “CITY BUILDER” AND Murderer — you got it –CAIN – 1 Jh. 3:11-13 He was of the Wicked one. Just like Abraham had Issac and Ishmael. Gods Seed and Serpent Seed growing together. I love the Word.

  24. Psalm 81

    The prophecy in Psalm 81, also aligns with the prophecy in Micah 4 regarding the daughter of Zion that is given her (heavenly) kingship, it speaks of how God rescued her from her enemies. It also mentions the basket and how she is released from it. That also aligns with the prophecy regarding the woman in the basket predicted by Zechariah.

    “When God went out against Egypt, he established it as a testimony in JOSEPH. I removed the burden from their shoulders, their hands were set free from the basket. In your distress you called and I rescued you. I answered you out of a thundercloud”. ‘I proved you at the waters of Meribah.’. Meribah means ‘strife or contention’. In other words, he proved me at the waters of contention.

    In other words, it was God’s way of proving to the people who I am.

  25. The TRIBULATION is for the JEWS-
    What’s the starting gun for Tribulation? The Rapture? Nope. A treaty. Why? I think it’s safe to say that God does not box as one ”beating the air”; everything He does has a purpose. And to understand His purpose you have to remember who this period of time is decreed for. God tells Daniel (Daniel 9:24) that those last seven years of hearth history is decreed; “For your people and for your holy city..” (The nation of Israel) “To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.”
    The tribulation is a period of time decreed for the Jews.
    God’s purposes for the Tribulation are all about the Jews. And a specific action of the Jews brings it on –for a specific reason. The revelation of that treaty as the starting point was revealed in the Old Testament, not the New. God wants all to come to repentance, especially the Jews. The Gospel was first for the the Jews, then for the Gentiles, so He made sure that the nation of Israel would know that a treaty with a specific individual–well described in scripture, would bring on the “time of Jacob’s trouble”. So you would think they’d avoid that.
    So why in the world will they sign on that line? For one thing, about 70%. 2/3 of the Jews in Israel are secular — they don’t really believe in Judaism. But there is another, more urgent reason as well, .. God (in a passage that mocks Israel for making that treaty) reveals it: “Hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men, Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem, Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through, It will not come to us, For we have made lies our refuge, And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.” (Isaiah 28:15-16 NKJV)
    Israel signs on that line because they think it will bring them national security.
    That’s a valid concern for Israel. In the barely 50 years Israel has existed, it has been attacked and drawn into six full-scale wars, and when it’s “at peace” Israel is subjected to consistent shelling and acts of terrorism from its neighbors. The Jewish population of Israel is currently just under 6 million, while the combined Muslim population of its neighbors, all within marching distance, totals nearly 1.5 billion!
    Israel spends ten times the global average on security, with good reason.
    Isaiah 28:17-28 gives us God’s perspective on this treaty: “Hail will sweep away your refuge, the lie, and water will overflow your hiding place.” The security they desire will elude them, because their refuge is The Lie.
    He goes on: “Your covenant with death will be annulled; your agreement with the realm of the dead will not stand. When the overwhelming scourge sweeps by, you will be beaten down by it. As often as it comes it will carry you away; morning after morning, by day and by night, it will sweep through…The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you.” God’s answer to Israel’s security problem was laid out for them in Micah 5:2-5:
    “But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days….And he shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God. And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great to the ends of the earth. And he shall be their peaceHe reiterated it at the beginning of this Isaiah passage: 28:16 NIV
    “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic.” ….it mocks Israel for turning to someone else to solve their problems (that blanket that’s too narrow to wrap around them), and then it gives us God’s response:
    “The Lord will rise up …to do his work, his strange work, and perform his task, his alien task. Now stop your mocking, or your chains will become heavier; the Lord, the Lord Almighty, has told me of the destruction decreed against the whole land.” (Isaiah 28:21) God issues a decree of destruction against Israel (and the rest of the world), a strange work because whoever comes against Israel comes against the apple of His eye. (Zechariah 2:8)
    Why does God issue the decree? This is personal. He sent His only Begotten Son.
    “I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.” (John 5:43) They rejected Him but believed The Lie.
    We pick the action up in the throne room of God (Revelation 5).
    “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look into it. 4 So I began weeping bitterly because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Stop weeping! Look, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered; thus he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”… “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were killed, and at the cost of your own blood you have purchased for God persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation.” (Revelation 5:2-5, 9)
    Jesus has spent thousands of years sitting at the right hand of God, waiting for the Father’s signal. The nation of Israel enters into the fateful treaty, and it’s finally time to redeem His sin-infested creation. It’s finally time for the rightful King to take the throne. It’s finally time to reconcile His chosen people to Himself. God issues the signal–the “decree of destruction” described in Isaiah 28– and Jesus rises up (just like Isaiah 28 predicted) and takes the scroll from His Father’s hands. And we see the Lamb that was slain, standing by the throne. Jesus, the Kinsman-Redeemer of planet earth, breaks the first seal, and …ominous drum roll…thus begins the Tribulation. The time of Jacob’s trouble. “But in their affliction they will seek Him earnestly.” (Hosea 5:15)Weeping will come for a night. But joy comes in the morning.

    • ed

      true..but doesn’t it say in Rev 12 that those who have the testimony of jesus christ are attacked by the dragon. that means they are also still around.

  26. Compelling and faith building testimony of Dr. Lorraine Day, a formerly agnostic Orthopedic Surgeon whom shares her insider’s knowledge of the “cancer industry” and what she discovered through her own personal journey with cancer which included refusing killer conventional treatments, ultimately leading her to call upon the LORD at the point of death, whom, in His mercy, not only spared her, but orchestrated a complete recovery and spiritual rebirth.

    A poignant reminder that sickness in many cases is spiritual in origin; and whilst correct diet, sleep and exercise are paramount to good health, so too are Godly mental and emotional attitudes, namely: love and the fruits of the spirit. The mind and body in harmony produce fine music and healing for the soul (the whole being), just as God purposed…and He is a rewarder of those earnestly seeking Him!


  27. I’ve personally have been blessed once before from the thunders of heaven. Will never forget 2014. Seemed as if anything and everything was going wrong at that point in my life and fell to my knees in prayers to God asking for help as tears fell from my eyes. Then he responded and helped me out so much that it got to a point where we ran out of things to ask for in our daily prayers. And now I feel as if a darkness has moved across my path again. I MATHEW KAY MCKELL AM PRAYING TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER TO COME HELP ME ONCE AGAIN, AS I’M SLOWLY BEING SURROUNDED BY WICKEDNESS AND DARKNESS, PLEASE FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS AND PLEASE I ASK OF YOU TO HELP OUT NICOLE DENIES FORSLAND AS SHE IS MY TRUE LOVE, I SEE THE WICKEDNESS AND DARKNESS THAT SHE IS COMPELLED BY AND IS EFFECTING OUR FAMILY ONCE AGAIN PLEASE HELP HER IN THE WAY YOU DID FOR ME, I WILL NEVER FORGET THE LESSONS THAT WERE GIVIN AS YOUR IN MY DAILY THOUGHTS, PLEASE HEAVENLY FATHER, OUR LORD HOLLOWED BE THY NAME, HELP ME CALL OUT THE “HOLY GHOST”, “HOLY SPIRIT”,”JESUS CHRIST” AND WHO EVER ELSE IS NEEDED TO OVERCOME WHAT HAS TAKING OVER MATHEW KAY MCKELL AND NICOLE DENIESE FORSLAND AND PLEASE FORGIVE US FOR OUR SINS, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST -AMEN-……. PLEASE TO ANYONE WHO READS THIS: I mathew kay mckell ask of you to read out loud and lets make it stronger then ever, as I really do need the help. Thanks and God Bless everyone

    • matthew

      the following prayers may help

      psalm 91
      psalm 121

      the Our Father ( Lords prayer)

      I am also sending you 2 prayers for deliverance from evil and for strength.

      print them out and say each day.

      I will be in agreement with you in prayer

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