Seven Spirits Of God
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Discussion about identifying the 7 spirits. Is the “spirit of the Lord” one of the 7 spirits, or do the 7 spirits describe the spirit of the Lord?
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By “anonymous”
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I was asked to offer this up for discussion.
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ASSUMPTIONS:
When Jesus came to earth as the suffering servant, the Spirit of the Lord came to him.
This occurred at his Baptism by John. (John 3:22, Matt. 3:16-17) Here we see all three persons of the trinity together, affirming Jesus’ ministry.
At his death, He committed His Spirit back to the father in heaven. (Luke 23:46, John 19:30)
This Spirit of the Lord is a sevenfold Spirit, as spoken of in revelation 1:4, 3:1, 4:5, 5:6.
In revelation 5:6, we see that the lamb of God consists of seven horns and seven eyes.
The seven Horns represent his power as King, while the seven Eyes is the sevenfold Spirit of the Lord.
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QUESTION POSED:
"And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, The Spirit of Wisdom and understanding, The Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord." (Isaiah 11:2)
In Isaiah 11:2, we are also introduced to this Spirit of the Lord, and we are given a list of six of those seven spirits which were present in Jesus’ ministry.
One Part of that Spirit is distinctly missing, and therefore not mentioned, or revealed at Jesus first coming as the Suffering servant.
One that by necessity could not manifest at that time.
What was this Spirit?
What is it that Jesus did not reveal at his first coming that will be revealed at his return?
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HYPOTHESIS
We find a clue for this in John 12:47 "I did not come to judge the world but to save the world." But at his second coming we know that he will come as Judge.
He will "Strike the Earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips he will kill the wicked." (Isaiah 11:4)
This spirit CANNOT be revealed to the righteous, Only to the wicked. Paul puts it this way: "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth." (Romans 1:18)
and also in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 "For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."
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This hiding of the righteous from the wrath of God is a common occurrence throughout scripture.
Noah was sealed in an Ark, Lot and his wife were told to not look back, and The Israelites were locked in their homes, as the Wrath of God fell upon the first born of the Egyptians.
How is it that the Lord will spare the righteous from witnessing His wrath when he comes again?
Via rapture?
Or by hiding in the wilderness?
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Whatever the means, the righteous elect will not witness this Spirit of wrath.
This wrath is revealed at his second coming, or the "Day of the Lord".
To those who reject the Gospel, I will pose this question:" Who can endure it?" Joel 2:11
To those who do not believe there will be a rapture: Will we who are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, be allowed to witness God’s wrath this time, if so what is the basis for this belief?
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To those who are pre-tribulation rapture believers: Is all of the seven year tribulation, the "Day of the Lord"?
Prove it?
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Other sites with this discussion
http://www.gotquestions.org/seven-spirits-God.html
http://www.revelation-today.com/Spirits7.htm
Heaven Awaits 
JESUS expalined this mystery in Rev 1-20…
Rev. 3-1..And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
The following verse explains the SEVEN SPIRITS AND HE SEVEN STARS….They are the churches and the holy ghost filled congregation that brought god’s salvation wisdom to mankind..
Rev 1-20..The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches
Rev 4-5..[there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Isaiah 62-1..For Zion’s sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp [that] burneth
Did not Jesus says we are burning and shining lights???
Luke 12-35..Let your loins be girded about, and [your] lights burning;
Matthew 5-14..Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Matthew 5-15..Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Where did you get the first picture from? I am puzzled because of the names especially Faith & Love.
I do not remember.
Just google seven spirits of god and see what images come up.
It shoudl be very simple. The Bible teaches that:
– Jesus Christ is both Son and Father – Isaiah 9:6-7
– Jesus had created all
– God is unseen as He is Spirit
Now, bear in mind that the Bible is alive with metaphors and figurative speech. The answer should be clear and no question should even have been asked as it all is part of the mystery that gets explained if we understand that everything we see of God has a purpose and a meaning.
After all, there is ONE GOD and not many. The Bible is super clear on that and the seven depicts seven ministries or offices, if you like.
I really hope that not a lot of precious time goes into this kind of rhetoric as there are much more worthy things to be done, such as to pray for those who need prayer. The Bible actually warns against this kind of talk. Pray for the persecuted, the poor, the sick, etc. They need your knees!
Huh? When I first started reading this anonymous post, I though for sure that I would be able to recognize who it was that had written it.
However, I wasn’t able to make that distinguishing factor, and I don’t really have clue as to who wrote it??? 🙂
(Which isn’t really relevant to the post, (or its message at all), I just thought that it was strange, since we all seem to have such unique forms of expression.)
Nevertheless, “The Prove it” challenge regarding the belief in a Pre-Tribulation rapture above, is far easier said than done.
However, if we take the message that is discussed above within the post that, “the Spirit of Wrath“, is NOT to be subjected upon the righteous, then understanding what constitutes the Wrath itself, and Who it is that is the designated and Chosen Emissary that performs this task of dolling it out , should lead us to the correct answer.
Lets look at 1 Corinthians 15:21-23.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive .
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
I am sure that everyone will agree, (if in keeping in mind that Paul is speaking to other believers as being the correct context), that what Paul has just said here, is that, “Because of Adam’s sin, all of man would suffer the consequence of death. Yet, because of Yeshua’s sacrifice for the blood atonement of our sins, the opportunity to pass from death into life is available. That even though all of us will die, those of us that are in Yeshua will all be made to live. But that there is a sequence to how this will play out, and that Yeshua was the “firstfruits”, and that those that are His will be next within that sequence at Yeshua’s coming.” Do we all agree with this?
Well since it is scripture, I agree as well.
(However before we continue, I would like make sure that we are all on the same page regarding the subject matter of discussion here. The way that I see how this chapter is written, is that the word “resurrection” is being utilized interchangeably with that of “passing from death into life”, (or going to heaven when we die as believers. 2 Corinthians 5:8.), and that of the “being caught up in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump” resurrection.
In my opinion, verse 21 above is referring to “the passing from death into life”, and that verse 23 is now referring to “the gathering of the full Assembly”.)
With that being said, then what does the next verse (24) say?
24 “Then” cometh the “end”, when “he” shall have “delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father”; when “he” shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
On the surface I suspect that this verse appears relatively self explanatory, and you know exactly what it is saying. Right?
Well firstly, directly after saying, “afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming”, Paul utilizes the word “Then” in providing as to what the sequence of events shall be. (The English “then”, the Greek “εἶτα” or “eita”, (Strong’s 1534) defined as, “1) then. 2) next, after that.)
So okay, BEFORE “this end comes”, those that are Yeshua’s will be caught up as He was, (He being the firstfruits, and the Assembly being the next in line in respects to the sequence). But what is this “end”? And, what does the word “end” above really mean?
Well, the English word “end” is derived from the Greek “τέλος” transliterated as, “telso”, (Strong’s 5056) and its definitions might just surprise you?
Though the primary definition would indeed be “the end”, I ask for you to thoughtfully consider some of the other definitions, “ termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, “but not of the end of a period of time”). “the last in any succession or series.” “that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue.” “the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose.”
So clearly by the definitions of this word, the “end” does not necessarily mean “the end”. Or;
1) That Yeshua’s “coming” that is spoken about in verse 23 is at “the end”, directly before He judges the world and establishes His Millennial Kingdom.
2) Instead, (based upon the definitions), this “end” could possibly be referring to the end of this current “Holy Spirit filled believers, Age of Grace”.
3) Which then, could possibly correlate to 2 Thess. 2:6,7., which is the spiritual shift in dynamics which then allows for the man of sin to be revealed.
4) Or, that in delivering up the kingdom to God the Father, that this “end” will not take some time to play out, (say maybe 7 years, based upon Daniel 9:27.).
This “end” in actuality, (by the way that it is written), appears to simply suggest “the next” sequence of God’s overall plan taking effect, and also appears to encompass the “7 year Tribulation and Wrath period, the full 1000 year Reign, up to and including the Great White Throne Judgement.” See verses 25,26.
Then when everything that is unrighteous has been been conquered by Yeshua, he will then Himself will be subjected to God the Father, so that God may be all in all, (verse 28).
So clearly Yeshua our Lord is the designated and Chosen Emissary commissioned by God to perform this particular task. Yeshua is the “he” in verse 24 above, as well, He is the One that is described in Isaiah 11:4, and numerous other passages of scripture. Anything that Yeshua does regarding anything to do with punishment, (the Day of the Lord), is part and parcel regarding this commission, and Yeshua is the one that opens the seals!
The seals are a form of punishment, ergo also a portion of Gods Wrath, in which Yeshua Himself is in charge of being the One to administer it.
I believe that the Day of the Lord is the period of Tribulation, and that the Tribulation is the period where God has commissioned Yeshua to act on His behalf by utilizing His, (God’s) Wrath, and that God’s Wrath is synonymous with the Day of the Lord. In my opinion they are all describing the same thing.
Just some thoughts to ponder over.
Shalom & Be Blessed.
Small correction to the above post.
Above within the my explanation for the English word “end” I misspelled the Greek transliteration of the word. It should have read as “telos” rather than “telso”, my apologies.
However, here is what I found to be, some interesting information regarding the Greek word “τέλος” translated as “telos” and into English as “end”.
The Word Origin for “telos” is “tello”, (to set out for a definite point or goal).
“Telos” is the Word origin for “τέλειος”, transliterated as “teleios”, (Strong’s 5046) where its definitions are; “brought to its end, finished., wanting nothing necessary to completeness., perfect., that which is perfect., consummate human integrity and virtue of men., full grown, adult, of full age, mature.”
“Teleios” is then the Word Origin for “τελειόω”, transliterated as “teleioō”, (Strong’s 5048 ) where its definitions are; “to make perfect, complete., to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end., to complete (perfect)., add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing full., to be found perfect.,to bring to the end (goal) proposed., to accomplish., bring to a close or fulfilment by event, of the prophecies of the scriptures.”
“Teleioō”, is then the Word Origin for “τελειωτής”, transliterated as “teleiōtēs”, (Strong’s 5051) where its definitions are; ”a perfector., one who has in his own person, raised faith to its perfection and so, has set before us the highest example of faith.”
(This particular Greek word is only utilized once within the New Testament, and has been translated into English as “finisher” within the King James, in Hebrews 12:2., “Looking unto Jesus the author and “finisher” of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”)
If the above isn’t apparently obvious, what I found to be intriguing, was that the word “end” above that I provided the word study and definitions for, correlates and leads us directly to Yeshua as the “Perfector”. The “end” in 1 Corinthians 15:24., is Yeshua Himself.
I think that this is amazing. 🙂
Shalom & Be Blessed.
Very astute commentary on the “end” as referenced in 1cor 15:24. Could this be the completion or fullfilment of “in the beginning” that begins the book of genesis as well as the gospel of Jn.? Jesus refers to himself as the alpha and omega the beginning and the end. Perhaps there is more depth to this than is evident on the surface. Great is the mystery of godliness. everything for Gods glory
To those who do not believe there will be a rapture: Will we who are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, be allowed to witness God’s wrath this time, if so what is the basis for this belief?
Comment Response:
I do believe there will be a rapture?
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with words.
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To those who are pre-tribulation rapture believers: Is all of the seven-year tribulation, the “Day of the Lord”?
I believe we will go through the first 3.5 years. This time period is of satans’ wrath., the “Day of the LORD’s wrath follow directly.
Prove it?
The saints will go through tribulation based on scripture: After the sealing of the 12 tribes of Israel Revelations 7:13-14 says: And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The Christians suffer trials and tribulation as a part of faith but there is a difference in the word tribulation and the words Great Tribulation.
The word denotes Great tribulation meaning the close of this age.
Matthew 24:20-27
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those day us should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
In order to see which part of the tribulation belongs to the believer, turn to Revelations 12:13-14 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Looking back to the Old Testament to Daniel as to what is concealed.
Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.” This scripture refers to the shortening of days due to the super natural ending of the great deception by Christ’s physical return at 42 months.
To go further to determine if there is another 3.5 months. Look at Daniel 9:27 says that the antichrist will confirm a covenant for one week, which a 7 year period. This is when his power and time start to mark down.
Revelations 13:5 says the beast had received a deadly wound to the head. It says that the beast wound will be healed and he will have power for 42 months.
Now if you turn back to Revelations 6:7-17 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How Long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood, And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
This is where the saints exit before Gods’ wrath. But the saints have endured the full blows of satins’ wrath for not taking the mark of the beast.
Amos 3:7 says God does nothing, but he revealed his secret unto his servants the prophets. Read also Rev. 10:1-7 There is mention in Amos of Trumpets, birds, lions, Prophets, When the Lion roars who will not fear.
Meaning God likens His Prophets to Lions roaring out in thunders of the mysteries of God.
Now what are the 7 Spirits of God
Now to begin with, we know for a certainty that these verses are not teaching a new and contrary doctrine to John 4:24a “God is A (one) Spirit.” But this is like I Corinthians 12:8-11 wherein we find ONE Spirit manifesting Himself in NINE ways. Thus we know that the seven Spirits of God mean it is the one and same Spirit coming forth in a sevenfold way. Now in Revelation 4:5 these same seven Spirits are called ‘lamps of fire burning’ before the Lord. Since John always used nothing but Old Testament symbols in the Revelation we go to the Old Testament and find from Proverbs 20:27 that “the spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord.” These seven Spirits are found to be associated with man. John the Baptist in John 5:35 was called a ‘burning light’ which should actually be translated as ‘burning lamp.’ Again in Revelation 5:6 the seven Spirits are identified as seven eyes.
In Zechariah 4:10,
“For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven, they are the eyes of the Lord.”
It is very evident that the word, ‘they’ refers to men. Thus we see that the eyes of the Lord in this instance are men–of course they will be anointed men, full of the Holy Ghost, for God’s ministries are not in the power of men but of the Holy Ghost. Putting our Scriptural discoveries together it is evident that the seven Spirits of God refer to the continuous ministry of the same Holy Spirit in the lives of seven men with whom God identifies Himself very closely. They are His eyes, and they are His lamps. Who these seven men are can easily be seen because the next phrase calls them the seven stars which are already known to us as the seven messengers to the seven ages. How beautiful that is. See, the star was meant to reflect light at night, for the sun has gone. Just so the messenger (typified as a star) to each age was to reflect the light of the Son. They all did this by the Holy Spirit.
Paul was the first messenger and he said in Galatians 1:8 that if any angel, any messenger, any vicar, no matter who he was–if he preached any other gospel than what Paul preached, let him be accursed. Paul knew that after he was gone grievous wolves would come in. He knew that Satan, himself, could appear as an angel of light so how much more his ministers. So he warns that this Gospel would always be the same. Now Paul had baptized in Jesus Name and rebaptized where people had not been so immersed. He set the church in order and taught the proper use of the gifts of the Spirit and confirmed that they were to remain in the church till Jesus came. Thus the next messengers, all the remaining six, would by the same Holy Ghost, burn with the same fire and give the same light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the signs would follow them. Did Irenaeus qualify? Yes. Did Martin? Yes. Did Columba? Yes. Did Martin Luther? Most assuredly. Did Wesley? Yes sir, he had a great ministry and even prayed for his horse to get well and it did. There you are. Seven church ages and seven messengers who were alike, and Paul pronounced a curse on anyone who said he was a messenger but had a different gospel and lived in a different light.
So we see that the Seven Spirits actually refer to the One Spirit of God working out the will and Word of God in different generations. I would like to illustrate that from the Word. The Spirit of God was mightily upon Elijah. Then that same Spirit came upon Elisha in a twofold effect. Then centuries later, the same Spirit Which we call the Spirit of Elijah in order to describe Its ministry, came back upon John the Baptist. One day that same Spirit identified by the same manner of ministry will come upon a man for the end of the Gentile church age.
Again: the Scripture says that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and power and He went about doing good, healing all that were oppressed of the devil. As Jesus went away He told His disciples to tarry until Pentecost at which time the very same Spirit that was upon Him would come back and fall upon them and fill them. Then that ‘called out’ body (the church) would be in His stead upon the earth, taking His place. And because that same Spirit That was in Him would be in them, they would do the very same works. And any people that is truly the Body of Jesus Christ (the true church) will manifest the same works as did Jesus and the Pentecostal church because the same Spirit will be in them. Any other church that does not have the Spirit and the manifestations is going to have to account to God.
The 7 Spirits or Angel Messenger- starts with Apostles and Prophets our else you would have no “Revelation of Christ” to set the standard in each age. There were many church’s in Asia and Israel etc. etc.
But Jesus Himself picked these names for each 7 ages. Because their Character traits and trials against Anti-christ in the dark ages matched them perfectly.
Ephesians mean Relalxed, Slowly drifting from Love –
Smyrna – myrrh, embalming fluid – meaning that church age would have much persecution for 10 years.
Pergomas – Thoroughly Married -to Balaamism. Finally satan got a seat Rev. 2:13 Preaching Nico-laitan , and Balaam’s stumbling block doctrines.
Producing a Thyatira age -meaning dominating female – Rev. 17-18.
Then Came Sardis church age. Sardis mean escaped ones – This age recognized Catholicism and the Popery to be thee anti-christ church = the tares. Marting Luther and others came out of her = raptured by faith= a Revelation of Christ and Justification by faith.
Then Philadelphia age – Means brotherly love – after the break away from Catholicism. The common people finally got to read the Word of God for themselves by the new invention of the printing press. And a Revival hit in this age all over Europe, and finally hitting USA in 1906. For another New era to start called Pentecostal Move.
God was in this great revival till they all organized and then came the Laodicean age – Justice for the People or Peoples rights –
Pentecost became so rich it forgot about holiness, and the standards of Christ by their denominational teachings. And again the church needed a real Prophet like Mal. 4 to come on the scene which he did. The rest is History and presently we see Both The Manifestation of the Wheat and Tares both.
Hope you enjoyed this God bless you all In Jesus precious name. Bro. Tom York Sr.
Dear Annonymous
Wow, I have been watching the comments and felt I missed a question.
Went back and forgot these two questions.
Question #1
Is the “spirit of the Lord”, one of the seven spirits, or do the seven spirits describe the spirit of the Lord?
Answer:
The spirit of the Lord is one of the spirits, the other spirits are spirits he gives out.
Question#2
One by necessity that could not manifest at the time. What was this spirit?
Answer:
First of all I would like to say that the seven spirits are Holy Spirit, Understanding, Wisdom, Counsel, Might, and Fear.
So the missing spirit was his spirit, the Holy Spirit and that is why it is also referred to as the Holy ghost. It could not be there in Isaiah where the spirits are identified as he was in use of itt.
(I did not understand the purpose of the candlesticks with the assigned words? I have reread and still do not get this part, sorry but maybe it was to throw people off?.}
Question #3
What is it that Jesus did not reveal at his first coming that will be revealed at his return?
Answer:
Jesus will reveal at his return that he is God.
This rest of my answer i posted yesterday, sorry for having to post twice.
Dear Bro Tom
This is the first time I heard this anology of the ages, I have a few questions. If I may?
The Historians of bible time lines say that book of Malachi was written around 445 BCE. Are these church ages as you relate them suppose to be in time line of age occuring.
And again the church needed a real prophet like Malachi 4 to come on the scene which he did. The rest is history and presently we see both the manifestations of the wheats and tares”
Tthe way I read this is that you are saying as they occur is the descending order of time age occurence. If that be so, you end with rebirth of Pentecostal and then speak of the prophet Malachi who is the last chapter of the Old Testament. I found this confusing, as I feel from what you are saying about Europe and USA (between 1906 and 1913)
The first falling of(cloven tongues of fire and the Holy ghost) the Holy spirit was Acts 2: 1-2, “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with in one place.
Do you see my confusion with this being a church age timeline. I agreed with much of what you said, but this is another that bothers me: “Pentecost became so rich it forgot about holiness, and the standards of Christ and their denominational teachings. ”
I would like to ask where you received this information from, because if any were truly ” Oneness Apostalic Pentecostal”, what you say is not possible.
Oneness identifies that all the Father, Son and Holy ghost are one, ” God”.
It identifies that they baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, and usually are not rich, some well off because God blesses them, because they give tithes and offerings to the LORD, the word says, he would have that we would above all things prosper and be in good health. Apostalic means they follow the teaching of the Apostles. There are many also who are poor but the.
Can you please tell me of what you are speaking and where it comes from?
Please take no offense to my questions, just help my understanding as to where you are coming from.
Hi Pattie,
Though I have difficulty agreeing with the above theology the “ages” that Tom is referring too are in respects to the seven churches described within Revelation 1:1 through 3:22.. Not Malachi.
Shalom
Alienated
I agree it is suppose to be but he at the end says; at the end of the Pentecostal age the prophet Mal. 4.
Read it for yourself. Is it possible you did not understand my questions?
I want my questions answered before I respond further, incase I unjustly think the wrong thing?
What am I missing?
Dear Pattiefarm – I was on my way to bed when I thought I would check out this forum. So I will answer you questions tomorrow. Ok. Not trying to put you off just tired and wore out at the present time.
Dear Pattifarm your reply -it’s long but has many golden nuggets
#1. Question – Are these church ages as you relate them suppose to be in time line of age occurring.
As the age of the O.T had certain ages so does the N.T church have ages. As I said before there were a lot more church’s in Asia and Europe etc. but Jesus chose these 7 church’s who’s name’s even held a “revelation of mysteries” to the Future Bride of the True Vine of “overcomers” in each age which — hath an ear let him hear what the spirit saith unto the church’s. Now Rev. 22:16 – The whole book of revelation is speaking of advents that happen in the time line of the 7 church’s. Most are already history.
Noah’s message would not have worked in Moses day, Adam’s message would not have worked in Noah’s day. Abraham’s message would not have worked in the above.
It’s Revelation upon revelation – or- Faith unto faith. Faith is a Revelation.
Adam was an age – Noah was an age, Abraham after Noah was another age, Then came Moses 430 years after Abrahams age and started another age of bringing Gods People out of bondage in Egypt.
Then after a age or two again they were in bondage to Babylon, Mede-Persian, Greece, and then Rome finish’s it out right up into the N.T to the end time. Rev. 17-18
Judaism under Moses O.T and Christianity in the N.T both picked up and mixed paganism with the true way. That is why we have so many different beliefs in the world today literally. The Whole world is a Babylon. Nations and Christian church’s are both in a perplexity today. We just have to be honest with ourselves.
The Christian church’s are split up in the thousands as well. No wonder people are losing confidence in the Christian faith. Everybody has a different Idea. BUT that is not God’s will. That’s confusion.
It is clear Jesus is talking about different time lines or ages etc. in the church’s. Proving they are ages, along with that there are 7 Angel Messengers as well speaking to each church age. Each age had a Thunder, Trumpet, Seal, and vial, etc. etc.
The True Vine will always look to Apostles, and Prophets for “Thus saith the Lord”. Jesus said they are SIGNS to the people. Jesus was THEE Prophet. Who gave the church “gifts” of 5 fold ministry. Eph. 4:10-11. Not systems -governments of men = Nicolatians Rev. 2:6,15. Nico – means conquer, victory over – laity means – common people
When Jesus stepped into His ministry that finished or capped off the revelation of Jesus Christ for the O.T – all the shadows came to LIFE in ONE PERSON Jesus Christ – PRAISE GOD. Now the O.T is still a School Master Paul said. The principals of the 10 commandments are still valid. The N.T is the “Revelation of The O.T fulfilled.
Jesus was God in flesh and that was ISRAEL’S LAST SIGN – His Voice -Was Gods Voice of Thunder the secrets becoming known, also His Voice was a Trumpet of gathering His people together, if you believed that Voice He then would Seal you away unto Himself for adoption. But Israel refused the anointed One’s Voice. If you refused that Voice then all that was left for you was Judgment =Vial -Plaque etc. And Israel in 70 A.D was destroyed and over a million Jews lay dead on the Temple mount. They refused the Messiah for their hour. After 2,058 years of O.T starting with Abraham they missed it. He came as a “Thief in the Night”. He opened up the Mysteries of Himself by scripture and yet they never knew it. The O.T was fulfilled in ONE MAN the Messiah. Remember God created everything in 6 days, Then God rested on the 7th. Day. Jesus was the Personification of the whole Law. In One man. He fulfilled the law – and offered His people a Rest from all their labors and they turned it down.
Then a New day brought and the Kingdom of God started a N.T age.
And while Messiah was walking right among them, that age was in between 2 ages. Law fulfilled and another New day dawning – Just like today. The Kingdom of God was the Spirit Age according to the Rabbi’s own teachings. Yet they missed HIM. It did not come the way they had thought. Their TRADITIONS = in greek numerology adds up to 666.
The last sign for our day is the same- The Word becomes Flesh – in the Body of Jesus Christ. Rev. 21:7 He that Overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Yes the manifestation of Sons of God is the Head – mind of Christ, eyes to see, mouth to speak the same Word Jesus spake. Same Sonship as Jesus was. A New Virgin Creation Praise God. The Head and Body become One in Marriage. The wife after so many years starting to think just like the Husband – Amen. Knows just how to please HIM, thinks like Him, talks like him and Marked with a Character like Him. We are suppose to be the right hand of Christ NOW. Not just in sweet bye and bye.
The Marriage of the Lamb has already taken Place. We on the honey moon still. NOW
Rev.11 says Moses and Elijah will return to bring the “Revelation of Jesus Christ” to the people again. Just as Israel was blind to Christ 1st. Coming so is today’s Laodiceans church age which just happened to be the last church age before Christ is revealed again.
Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same Yesterday, Today, and forever. That is the key to knowing and understanding the Scriptures for our day as well.
John the Baptist was – A breach Prophet – filled in the gap between Old and New
Then Its Over – for the O.T ages. Where do we think we are at now in this present time. Jesus came as a “Thief in the Night” in 1st. coming. The 2nd. Coming will be the same.
Most every one I know misses it completely when it comes down to the false vine and True vine growing together. MIXED – That is what happen to Israel’s 10 tribes, and Judah – they picked up pagan gods beliefs while in pagan captivity or we could say dark ages of captivity by other nations and their religions. Can you say amen.
For Israel it started at Kadesh Barnea when they mixed together with the Moabites. God said if they do this they will end up serving their “gods” plural. That is exactly what they done by listening to Balaam’s stumbling block teaching instead of Moses. Rev. 2:14.
Christ in the New testament is warning us not to make the same mistake they did. But look at us today. We all mixed in with worldly carnal minds of religion and right there the N.T like the O.T went into “dark ages”. The N.T church did the same thing that Israel done. And it’s right in the bible in the church ages and no body hardly ever preaches it.
Cause they do not have a revelation of it. Cause its never presented to the Church because of denominations or systems of men. Not having a revelation and won’t listen to get a new revelation = new wine of the hour.
It was the religions of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medes -Persians, Greece and Rome that put Israel of the O.T into apostasy and Rome never died during the dark age of the N.T. church. I HOPE YOU SEE IT. It was revived by Papal Rome and still lives. And who can make war with her. Most still believe in the myths of paganism.
So remember in the O.T Israel was in a Apostasy when Messiah came to them.
Now for the Elijah Messenger of 1st coming -was Mal. 3rd.chapter and Isa. 40:3.
Jesus even quoted these scripture’s when talking about John the Baptist. John had the Spirit of Elijah on him and when John was on Earth so was Jesus at the same time. Where does that leave us in Rev. 11 – Most think that is still future event. And it is history.
John a Prophet introduced The Messiah to the true church of that day in His ministry. Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world.
That was not the Great burning of Mal. 4:5 – behold I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great but dreadful day of the Lord. And He shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers. Lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. = john turned the heart of the fathers to the children
Our day – is our hearts are turning back to our fore fathers in the Book of Acts.
And it will be by a Elijah Prophet with a 7th. age Message to do that. Rev. 10 and 11
Question #2. And again the church needed a real prophet like Malachi 4 to come on the scene which he did. The rest is history and presently we see both the manifestations of the wheats and tares” Already explained that above John =Mal. 3 – Isa. 40:3
Malachi 4 – is for the 2nd coming. The great burning – He will be “vindicated” chosen by God not man. He will be hated, made fun of, not believed by the systems of man and yet he will have the signs and wonders following with a Message just like all Major Prophets from Gen. to Revelation. Not just a show boat begging your money.
Most Christians do not even know what a Prophet really is. They are so many of them called that today. In 10 years I spent in Pentecost and charismatic teachings. I never knew what a real prophet was. Cause they do not know. So they could not tell me.
All Major Prophets – lay the foundation work of truth for all the rest to build on.
No Apostles, No Prophets- then we need not have a Pastor, Evangelist, or teacher.
We all today preach or believe somebodies message.
The Elijah Prophet of Mal. 4 is also the 7th. Angel Messenger of the 7th. Age.
Angel comes from the Word Apostle. Look at the word Evangelist. Look up the word Elyohim which show the plurality of Gods or gods attributes and you will find Angels on Earth are men as well. Paul said you could entertain angels unaware. What was Moses. That was Christ in him what Paul said. Who was Elijah – Christ in him – Who has “Thus saith the Lord” only Christ through a surrendered life. Called from Birth to be a prophet. You cannot become a Prophet by going to a school. Pitiful to say the least. Prophets are born to be Prophets.
Question 3.The way I read this is that you are saying as they occur is the descending order of time age occurence. If that be so, you end with rebirth of Pentecostal and then speak of the prophet Malachi who is the last chapter of the Old Testament. Yes I was just talking about the Pentecostal revival of 1906. That was a genuine move of God but it was not the “Latter Rain = Teaching reign – the people still brought in all their denominational beliefs into 1906 Pentecost. God had to send us a Prophet with Thus saith the Lord. “Thus saith the Lord is an absolute” that’s why most hate it. In a modern intellectual society.
When you compare Acts 2 Pentecost with today’s Pentecost. Does today’s Pentecost look like the Original Pentecost in Book of Acts. After Pentecost of that day they stayed continually in the Word of God. If you do not stay in the Word Jesus says you are none of His. They gave their whole body, soul, spirit, and life to Jesus Christ. Died for him.
Apostle Paul laid down the true foundation to the true Gentile and Jew in His day. Acts. 20:27. . I been at it for 40 years now and raised a Pentecostal from a child. I cannot find one of them that preach the whole council of God as Paul did. Any Message for the hour is not a popular message. That is the true sign that is overlooked today. Understanding your day and its Message for the hour is the evidence of the Holy spirit IN YOU. It will not be a multitude of people either. Remember the same yesterday, today, and forever.
The N.T church went through the dark ages for 1,260 years of Catholicism, Popes that would have you killed if your child quoted a scripture, a system of men that invented ways to torture whoever they pleased. Who gave you a choice to serve Christ or die.
They changed the “Word of Gods Truth” and turned it into myths of paganism. Just took up where paganism left off out of Imperial Rome and went right into Papal Rome which still exists today as the 8th power of the beast. Rev. 17:11. .
Question 4. Do you see my confusion with this being a church age timeline. I agreed with much of what you said, but this is another that bothers me: “Pentecost became so rich it forgot about holiness, and the standards of Christ and their denominational teachings. ”
REV.3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: oh yea look at the millionaire preacher’s today, and America in general.
18. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Question 5. I would like to ask where you received this information from, because if any were truly ” Oneness Apostalic Pentecostal”, what you say is not possible.
Oneness identifies that all the Father, Son and Holy ghost are one, ” God”.
It identifies that they baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, and usually are not rich, some well off because God blesses them, because they give tithes and offerings to the LORD, the word says, he would have that we would above all things prosper and be in good health. Apostalic means they follow the teaching of the Apostles. There are many also who are poor but the.
Answer: If Prosperity is the evidence of being a good Christian then the Muslims that own the oil wells, the politicians that run governments, wall street gang must all be Christians. That is not what Gods prosperity is all about. It’s the soul that is MOST Valuable possession you have.
Rev. 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Naked =Laodicea age of prosperity.
Rev. 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich ) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Question 6. Can you please tell me of what you are speaking and where it comes from?
Yes I can. I am absolutely an Apostalic believer in ONE God. It comes from the Holy Spirit and searching the scriptures for many, many years. As I was so thirsty for truth and God had mercy upon me and sent it to me.
I have sit under many different ministries in my 42 years as a Christian. Went through all the Pentecostal popular brothers like, Copeland, Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagin, and many, many more for years – sit under Charismatic Theologians , then I ran into a Real Prophet called William Branham. No man spake like this man, No man had the miracles like this man and absolutely no body had a message like this man. And for the last few years I have been listening to a Rabbi named Johnathan Cahn. And I Just Love Jesus and want to do His will. Period – The Days are short –
I’m also a Pastor of a little church in a small town in In. And I’m a 24/7 care/taker of my wife who had a stroke over 2 years ago. We have been married for 47 years.
I have Pastored a couple church’s and never ever have I asked for money. I put up a little can or basket on wall and that’s it. I think it is a disgrace to beg money, and to make people feel guilt by passing a plate even. I teach the “whole council of God – and baptize in Jesus name – I was raised a Trinitarian. Got saved in a Trinitarian church and all my family were Trinitarian. But when God showed me the God head. I got baptized in Jesus Name. My wife and me are both 64 years of age. God bless you and hope you have read this with a open heart.
It refreshing to see a pastor that does not demand or beg for money.
God bless you.
You are a real shepherd, not a hireling.
Hi Tom,
I appreciated your response to Pattie above, it added more clarity as to what it is that you believe. I agree with the aspect of having specific “ages” throughout history, (as well I believe, “ages” that are yet to take place). I am also in agreement that the church age that is being described within Revelation 1:1 through to 3:22., should be considered to be taking place “now still” in “real time” for clearly the Assembly, (or Church) is still here.
However, I do have a question regarding one of your statements.
You say, “The whole book of Revelation is speaking of advents that happen in the time line of the 7 Church’s.”
My question would then be, “If that were indeed the case, where the relevance behind the whole Book is in respects to “advents that happen” to the Church, then why is the Church not mentioned once after Revelation 3:22.?” (Not withstanding, the exception to that of course, being Revelation 22:16.)
(The transliterated Greek “Ekklesia”, (which would within its definition, refer to an Assembly or group of people of one accord), being then substituted with the word “Hagios” translated into “Saints”, which would be by its definition, referring to that of “individuals” rather than that of a group.)
As well, if Revelation itself is indeed explaining all that will happen to the Assembly, (or church), what would explain the absence of the phrase “Holy Spirit” within the entirety of the Book? For that term or phrase is not mentioned once?
Wouldn’t this possibly imply that the “Church Age” itself has been completed, and the that another age is now under way?
When you could find the time, I would be interested in hearing your response regarding this.
Shalom & Be Blessed.
Amen.
Praise the Good Lord Bro Tom.
Your ability to articulate your subject matter is excellent. But if it does not have roots of the Old or New Testament. How can we believe or agree, without foundational scripture. Sometimes we read written word of man in this day and age and it makes no sense. Other times man is able to take word and make it come to live and it provides our eyes better understanding, but the Word is not changed. The Old reveals, and the New conceals, line upon line, precept, upon precept. But again it is not altering the word of God.
So if something is written that does not agree with the foundation coming from the Word, I consider it not to be for the children of God. I therefore had issues with your last response more even than the first.
Yes I agree with your original opening statement, that God gives revelation in the new word that is concealed in the old world, as I said above. You with your origianl opening, seemed to go from front the new to the old. Tthis made since to me, as LORD works in this way with prophesy. When he gives dreams, and visions in this age, as he promised, the informtion told is always Logos/Rhema. There is nothing new under the sun. So It is not contrary revelation, it is usually warning, prophesy of an impending doom which is already revealed.
The new does not expand on the exsisting Word, I am speaking from my own personal experience. It reveals issues of exsisting living Word. This is why the Word is called Living Word, it has life, it is not dead.
I don’t need to support my position on this as you yourself quote Amos.
This is one of the ways to know if the visual pictures you are given, are coming from the heavenly kingdom of God, and not from the evil principalities in high places. The dream speaks to specific living Word, not new word. For new word would be dead. As there is nothing new under the sun. The Bible may speak to something being a “Dog” relative to an occurence told of the future coming. But the dream/vision picture reveals who that dog is of the age, or its time coming. It does not rewrite the future foretold by the inspired writings of Prophets, Jesus Christ, and or the Apostles. But it brings to a better visual understanding of Gods’ Word. Prophesy given by the LORD is always from the Living Word, and it has a purpose. It unviels the coming of something that is known without detailed specifics. The unveiling of the prophesy brings people to prayer and often changes things, this is according to the word. As far as the future some things are set for a time period by God that he will not delay. I say this as the Word says this by an Angel speaking and also in Revelations 10:6 “that time shall be no more”.
One way to know that prophesied word is real is it comes true and the other is it does not contridict the Living Word. Instead prophesy helps the understanding of the Word to unfold and come a live.
God is the way the teruth and the life, no man cometh to him but by the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. His Word is not dead, it life, he has not left the Thrown, he is on it.
So when you are speaking of a greater understanding of the exsisting Word. I can accept it, if it is Logos or Rhema revealed understaing. Especially if it came as God told us in the New Testament, that it would be at this time of the Age. This time is fore told: Acts 2:17 And it shall come to past in the last days, I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall have visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
So, when I am uncertain regarding man’s written word that is suppose to speak forward out of God’s Word by prophesy or greater interpretation of his Word in exspanded understanding. I look for the Logos or Rhema to be in the context of the writer’s word. Since you are the writer of your comments: I ask you questions regarding your written response, having a desire to rightly divide what you wrote according to the Word.
I had no way of knowing where the roots of some parts of your writing came from, but I did know that your response was to the blog study of the spirits. Sometimes people learn things of their foundation in school, church and they stay with them through out their life and it has no foundation in the Bible, but seems to speak to an area of the bible, as this did. Also I had no way of knowing for certain if your writing was exspanded upon from prophesy you were given.
Regarding your response to my questions and your ascertion that the Marriage Super has already occured and we are on our honey moon, is not possible. Many of the Bride in Christ are still here on earth, and I testify to this fact.
I sight the following scriptures: Luke 14:15 When one of those at the table heard this, he said to Jesus. “Blessed is the man who eats at the feast in the Kingdom of God. (This means we have to physically be there. ) “Luke 22:16 says; For I tell you I will not eat it again until it finds fullfillment in the kingdom of God. ” Revelations 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. ( She is ready but not gone.) Revelations 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See you do it not: I am a fellow servant, and of your brethrrn that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy. Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with greaqt power and glory. And then shall he send his Angels, and shall gether together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost parts of heaven. (Are you trying to tell me, you think we missed Jesus and we are in the tribulation, surely not? )
This is why the Bible teachs us about studying the word to rightly divide. The righteous following his direction, shall not be taken by a snare and mislead.
I am not certain of your religious convictions or faith. It does not really matter to me, as many read on their own these days. At times, many who love the LORD have a better understanding of the Word than those they set under in church.
God has set all things in order and to a timeline. He is not the author of confusion, he would not say one thing and do another. He has given each human being free will, his Word is not partly right but completely right. Let every man be a liar but let the Word of God be true.
The righteous of this age are on the earth!
Thank you alienated for your question
Question 1. I am also in agreement that the church age that is being described within Revelation 1:1 through to 3:22., should be considered to be taking place “now still” in “real time” for clearly the Assembly, (or Church) is still here.
However, I do have a question regarding one of your statements.
You say, “The whole book of Revelation is speaking of advents that happen in the time line of the 7 Church’s.”
Yes as in Jesus day. After the resurrection. The Jewish church was still there amen. They were still having services every week. Yet the Glory had departed from the Temple where God use to meet them.
After the death, burial, resurrection of Christ. You had to meet God through the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. A great revelation of God came on the scene and It was a brand New day. Jesus raised on the 8th. Day Meaning a New beginning. You was in the Kingdom of God are you was not in. Same thing in Noah’s day when God shut the door. It sat their for 7 days before the rain of Judgment set upon them all. Noah walked out in a New day = a new beginning or 8th. Day. Rest of the world perished.
When the High Priest gave the Wave offering that day for the day of first fruits to start. Jesus was resurrected that day. Mankind and God kissed and out came The beginning of the New Creation of God Rev. 3:14
So from that day on it had to be “Christ in You” the hope of glory or you missed it. The High priest was wasting the peoples time after the Resurrection of Christ.
Apostle Paul said the New Birth was a Mystery. Yes indeed it is still a mystery today.
If you are a New Creation today you will be a “Mystery” to the world for sure and many Christians as well.
You New Birth takes you past the “Curtain of Time and into Eternity. Today we are living in between two ages at same time . From time to Eternity. Rev. 10:6 time is no more. Then the Eternal age of the 8th. Day will consume all things. Like Noah’s day.
Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38. Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Now it’s the same at the end of the Church ages – Yes the Church is still here. But we have went higher, raised up Rev. 4:1-2 – into the heavelies where the throne of God is. That is your Heart and Spirit. Gods Spirit went right into your Throne room which is the tabernacle now of the Spirit of God. Jesus said you are not of this world. You now have entered the 8th. Day. The Holy Spirit is another dimension not acquainted with Time. I’ve already been raptured.
And Paul backs me up on this doctrine. Saying we are seated with Christ right now, we have authority right NOW with Christ seated in Heavenly Places. Makes me want to shout. Plus I am a Overcomer – A Son of God NOW
Gal. 4:24-27 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. = Natural -natural sex birth
26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. = Spiritual Birth out of the womb of the Word of God.
27. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Do you know that in Hebrew language – Jerusalem is a plural meaning always. Its like a “s” would be at the end of a word but a “m” is plural meaning in Hebrew.
The 7th. Church age Jesus was knocking at the door and they would not even open it up for Him to come in and sup with them. — You see it’s the same as the 1st coming. Was.
The Dead and the Alive saints walk together. One raptured the other is not. Or I could say the one group where foolish virgins and the others got their Birth and was ready.
The same thing has happened already today that happened back in Jesus 1st. Coming.
The Law age of time turned a corner and the “Kingdom Age” opened up and “lifted” the Believer into it. Jesus said “I am the Resurrection” when He resurrected Lazurus. He also said “ seek ye first the Kingdom of God and HIS righteousness “. Paul said we are Seated with Christ NOW. When the symbols appear it will be in One person- Jesus and His Christ. Rev. 11:15
Jesus has opened the Seals Rev. 6:1 to this generation like he did in the generation of Fulfilling the Law age‘s. Eph. 4:30 whereby ye are “sealed unto the day of Redemption”.
Seals works both ways – sealed to redemption and turn redemption down and you sealed out just like in Noah’s day. A seal is a “finished Work” like a letter until it reaches it destination. After it has been opened then it is no longer a secret. The Mystery is revealed. The 7 Sealed Book is the Book of Redemption the Bible.
The Book was sealed in Rev. 5 and men began to cry and weep. Their salvation depended on it. But praise be to God in Rev. 10. The Lion of the tribe of Judah had come to earth with the Book Open in his hand. And it thundered 7 times. This time for the ending of Time. Taking us out of Time into another New Age. Of Jew and Gentile.
Below is a Very important revelation to the Overcoming Believers while in the church ages:
1st. Age -Was the Tree of life available in the First age to the comers. Yes or No
Then if that is yes – then what about the “Second Death” in 2nd. Church age .
2nd. Age If tree of life is available then we do not have to worry about the 2nd. Death .Amen. We do not have to worry about the 2nd. Death because we Eating of Eternal life Tree. Not in the future but NOW
3rd. Age That Tree=Jesus Christ gave us a White stone with a NEW name on it – white stone of acquittal. And that allows us to EAT of the “Hidden Manna” that was in the Holiest of Holies Praise God – When NOW
4th. Age – The next age promise to us is – We shall Rule with a rod of iron, and have power of the Nations = your enemies, and or your family etc. like Abraham’s family was his nation. This would be the Son of David ministry that I just spoke of above. Lion age.
5th. Age – Next is God will NOT blot your name out of the Book of Life – You also get to wear white raiment. that’s NOW. ON EARTH is where this is all happening not way out in some future time – remember we have Eternity living in us. The Person of Christ
The 6th. Age – REV. 3:10-12 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. -Temptation is trials, sufferings, which we all have to overcome
11. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
We are lively stones that make up the New Jerusalem that is from above when – NOW We are the temple that God dwells in. Paul said so in Corinthians. Are body is the Temple of Christ – Jesus is the New Jerusalem as well.
Rev. 13:16 talks about the “Mark” if you track that word back to the original it says a Palisade – which is a fortress. He is our fortress our New Jerusalem. Jeru=flowing waters – salem means peace because we are fortified in Christ – out of our bellies shall run rivers of living water. And Christ is are Peace – when NOW.
Please read Rev.21:7-22 etc. The Pillars of the New Jerusalem are the twelve tribes and the twelve apostles of the church. The Little precious stones are the body of Christ many membered body. Each of us have a birth stone amen. So we have a New birth stone as well. We are the New Jerusalem from above. Jesus Christ the 1st New Creation was the chief corner stone and the Head stone. He is the foundation and alpha or omega we will say of the New Jerusalem. We are the lively stones that make it up – And our lives NOW are working on a building as they use to say years ago. In this life.
The 7th. Age – is the Throne age – we are to be as Kings and Priests – The Son of David age. We are seated with Christ and have overcome ALL things by His Power.
I said all the above to tell you — there is your church in the Book of Revelation. Everyone of those “OVERCOMING” powers that was in the Church ages. You can find every one of these Overcoming attributes of the Church in the book of Revelation. –
Revelation 1:1 through to 3:22., should be considered to be taking place “now still” in “real time” for clearly the Assembly, (or Church) is still here.
The whole book of Revelation is speaking of advents that happen in the time line of the 7 Church’s.”
Hope I answered it for you – God bless you for your interest in the Word – I enjoy talking about it and sharing with you all.
The Lord spoke to me about 12 years ago and said to start Preaching a NOW message. I had no idea what He meant – I just started studying the word “Now“. But it has revolutionized my old traditions and fables I use to believe. And opened up a brand new day for me to walk in. I love sharing my experiences in the word.
Dear Tom,
I have no doubt that your heart is towards God, and that you have accepted Yeshua, (Jesus) as your Savior. So I am certainly not questioning that aspect of your spirituality whatsoever.
Neither does what I have to say have any relevance to your value as a member of the body or as a human being….. however I can not agree with the theology that you propose above, and suggest that you prayerfully re-evaluate that which you believe.
Out of the numerous points that you make within your post, that I could possibly address, (some that I could possibly agree with, and others that I clearly don’t) I will narrow it down to just this one.
There is nothing within scripture that would suggest that each and every member of the Assembly will be individually “caught up” to heaven.
(Other than that of course, when we happen to simply physically die.)
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18., is specifically referring to a group of dead and living, and this event that we commonly refer to theologically as the rapture, will only occur when the Lord Yeshua returns for His in the clouds. 2 Thessalonians 2:1., is in itself sufficient scriptural evidence to support this truth.
I can assure you Tom, (if you are still human and have not been glorified), that you have also NOT been raptured, at least not within the context of how it will occur within scripture. (1 Corinthians 15:35-55.)
Wishing you well,
Shalom.
Bro. Tom
I am sorry but I am trying to fully understand if you have doctrine error, or if you are having a problem expressing your self because maybe you are rushed for time.
I am personally having to peace mill my response. As Friday was a funeral and today I broke my toe. Currently and for the past two days I have been at my best friends home for a visit to help her with her Dad’s will and testament in preparation for court. I am also in pain with my toe, so please forgive me.
I know I am missing something in your writing. I am doing my best to understand why you are writing some of your responses.
The marriage super of the Lamb and our being on our honeymoon and I missed my wedding, blew me away. So I went back to look at your words and your wording to try and draw understanding. I responded to the above already so I will not discuss or open it again.
Where do you come up with the resurrection of Christ Jesus on the 8th day?
This is also contrary to the Word. It has to be line upon line precept upon precept or it is not the inspired gospel Word of the Apostles. I agree that his resurrection signified a new beginning but where is your beginning? What Bible or documents are you using for Word study. Is it possible that you are in the middle east and are a born again Jew? Are you also using some form of software to interpret your answers?
I say this because of the way you structure wordings. Please don’t take this the wrong way.
The Noah time line you speak of, you say; “it rained upon them all” for seven days, after Noah closed the door. Makes an inference that they who the rain fell upon was of importance, these included the fallen?
As the number seven means perfect, completion and rest. You are not focusing on seven but on eight, which is 7+1=8, meaning new birth or beginning. Is this right? I
Are you therefore drawing correlation to the association of the number eight from hebreic teachings about numbers?
In other words are you trying to say since Noah was the eigth person stepping out on to the earth (ie 2 Peter 2:5) from the Ark after the water subsided, that this is the indication of a new beginning? The first fruit for all born again beleivers is Jesus Christ and the first fruits of his work ministering upon the earth is those who were saved out of the dead. Some have said the number saved was eight, this would be also a new beginning as it is his first fruits. Also another example might be a male child being circumcised on eight day, which is the concealed word of the new cirumcision of a mans heart under the “New Testament Covenant”, making it revealed.
Is this what you are trying to convey?
Tom
I get the impression that you are KABBALIST. Obviously this does not mean that you have any Jewish blood or roots.
We are the opposite sides of Faith. You have nothing in common with me. I am a God fearing Christian, I love the Lord, without him I can no longer take a breath. I can not walk away from God, but if I have to for my faith everything else goes.
It took me a while to truly understand, but an opportunity to pray reveals much.
Please do not address me further.
I dont know even know what a Kabbalist is. Im a believer in the Word of God and everything I said I backed it up with scripture. If Im talking about Noah’s day that is scripture – If Im talking about what happen in the old testament and comparing it to our day. The O.T is Scripture the last I heard. Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. If you believe this scripture then — Scripture reveals Scripture – Jesus walked on the Emmaus road with 2 disciples – this is scripture I’m talking about. He taught them along the way and From Moses to the N.T He brought out all the scriptures to prove to them He was the Messiah. Thats all scripture. I think you are the one that needs some help. You seem to be confused, and way misinformed. Reading to many books that are not the bible will do that to a person. I will pray for you though. God bless you – In Jesus Name –
Wow this above is a bit of a mish mash. I only wish to add a couple of comments.
The seven angels.
Job 1 v 6. now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Zachariah 3 v 9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; on one stone shall be seven eyes.
My interretation of this is, The stone is the corner stone I.E. Jesus. The seven eyes are the Sons of God that roam to and fro through the earth.
Daniel 10. Daniel fasts and prays he is visited by an angei. The vision is for him alone.Verse 11, ****** for unto thee am I now sent. Verse 12.Thy words were heard and I am come for thy words. Verse 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days; but lo Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me.** Prince of Persia is Satan, probably the only angel who can control Satan is Michael.
Wheras the numbers seven are Holy numbers and used in many instances throughout the scriptures, in this case they refer to the seven Arch Angels who are messangers of God
Revelation 21 v 9. And there came unto me one of the seven Angels, which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues.
The jewels that adorn the city of God, one jewel for each tribe, relate to the Ephod worn by the High priest. The stones had a symbol engraved on them, and revelation was given by reading the symbols in sequence to give the message. This was done away with at the resurection of the Saviour, for the revelation came from the apostles, who had the Melchizedec pristhood
The question of wether we will be proteced from the plagues at the punishment of the wicked see Revelation 18 v 4. Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
To all who have commented here,
e1313, Yes the Spirit is the light, but can any one man possess all seven of these Spirits, or are they not divided among the different churches?
Pieter. None of my comments deny that Jesus was the Son of God, and God in the flesh. My point in the assumptions was to show that the During his ministry, He had the full power and authority of God, but he did not reveal one of those seven. But it was not the Spirit that would face the anger of God for the sins of man, but the Spirit departed him upon death. This in no way denies that Jesus is God in the flesh. If the Spirit of the Lord faced death, then the Father was powerless for three days, For this Spirit is the “right arm of God”, The “strong arm”. You’re Spirit, which does not tolerate injustice, Is of the Lord. The Judge is coming! Trying to know the will of God is never a waste of time!
Alienated, Your hermaneutical study of the Word “end” tying in with “perfector” Is very much the direction that my hypothesis intended. It truly is “amazing”. My hope is that all who participate in this will see the fullness of the Almighty God. (Psalm 148) (Do not stop there)
Pattiefarm,
The questions I posed at the end were meant to be rhetorical questions. My goal was an exploration and understanding of God and his fullness, as I pointed out to Alienated. Not just another debate on when the rapture is supposed to take place. This is more of an attempt to prepare for his coming, and to yearn for his coming. It is the question within the question that I am looking for you to explore. The last lines of your second comment should be the direction you should look.
Bro York,
Your understanding of the church ages and its allignment with the seven spirits of God, is astute and detailed. I do not agree with all of your interpretation, but do know that you are correct in saying that the sevenfold Spirit of the Lord is present in them. My question to you, in hopes of it leading us to better understanding is as follows: If each of the churches has a different Spirit of God, Would it not be better if they all were joined together? To put it differently, Why would God separate His Spirit amongst different churches and era’s of time? And what happens when these Spirits unite?
To all
My intent here is to lead you in a direction that will bring a blessing and enrich your faith. To bring a unity of understanding God from which to build upon. I may know a piece of God and each of you may have another piece, but the body is made of many pieces. Which no single human can fully understand or grasp. It is your conclusions that will make this post fruitful. That is why I am trying to stay out of the debate.
Revelation 22:17
thanks. lot to deal with here.
Dear anonymous – I just now saw your post. I will send a response tomorrow Lord willing. Again it is late here and I just saw your Post here. It takes me awhile to write out things.
Everybody wants a microwave answer for things that took hundreds of years to become a TRADITION just like before Jesus day. Their traditions made the “Word of God of NONE EFFECT. It takes time to explain and really prove what is the truth today. Most will not take the time.
There is no microwave answer for the book of Revelations and mysteries of the bible.. It takes time and effort and reading it over and over and over again. Having a open mind and heart as well. Faith I could say is the 6th. sense for a believer. Faith is a Revelation and that only comes from God by the Spoken Word.
Most all your main stream messages today preach and teach everything happen’s in the future some where. And the poor people are actually waiting on salvation in a rapture or a 2nd. coming. I heard many great popular preachers today say that Jesus cannot come to day. That is Bogus to the core. Jesus is not delaying his coming for a building to be built or an anti-christ to walk in an sit down in it and proclaim he is god. Satan got his seat of authority in the church ages Rev. 2:13 – preaching baal doctrines etc.
The end of the world is when a Person dies. Jesus said I will be with you even IN YOU until the end of the world. Jesus IN YOU NOW is your most important message in this lost age.
Jesus Message was so unusual , suppose to be Virgin Born child the Messiah – The Church did not believe Mary was a virgin but had an affair with a Roman soldier and said Jesus was born in Sin, Jesus family even called him Mad.
Then lets take John the Baptist just happened to be related to Jesus as well. Things kind of look fishy didnt it. John and Jesus never went to NONE of their denominational schools to be taught.
Jesus said He was God in flesh, my what a blasphemer they thought. Him and John’s Message was SO UNIQUE who could believe it. They hated it so bad they plugged up their eyes and wanted to kill the Son of God in flesh = Son of Man. But it was the Word for their Hour.
The only thing the Church knew as a whole was that Messiah was to come and destroy Rome and all their enemies,and they was going to escape it all and become a great powerful Nation again. And when they missed Jesus they missed it all. ITS THE SAME TODAY
I ask my fellow brothers and sisters. Would you have believed Jesus in His day. Come on now and be truthful with you self. And today if you do not speak a denominational Message you are considered a cult, or some names you never even heard of before.
Who did Believe Jesus Message. Not ONE person. Until He Rose and showed Himself to them. That was a Coming of Christ. Christ was on earth in Adam’s day walking with him in the cool of the day. He came down Gen. 11 when Babel was being built. He came down and walked up to the ELECTED Abraham to eat food with him . While the other 2 Angels went to Sodom and Gomorah in flesh bodies. While Jesus was with Abraham He Discerned Sarah’s thoughts. = thats the WORD MANFIESTED Heb. 4:12. We can go to Moses day and yes God came down in a pillar of fire in a Bush. God came down to whole congregation and showed himself. Their were winds, fire, clouds, Trumpets, Voices. Mighty wonders and also plagues. God came down for Elijah the Prophet against 400 Jezebel prophets. Remember that Jezebel is mentioned in the Church ages as a symbol. She is still alive and Well with her false Prophets that prophesied according to Baal right in the church today. Sorry I got carried away. But my fingers just kept typing. God Bless till we talk again Soon. I will get back on the 7 spirits. Forgive me for getting carried off there on another subject. Love you all
My question to you Tom, in hopes of it leading us to better understanding is as follows: If each of the churches has a different Spirit of God, Would it not be better if they all were joined together? To put it differently, Why would God separate His Spirit amongst different churches and era’s of time? And what happens when these Spirits unite?
It’s not 7 different Spirits of God – Lets say it like this. The Holy Spirit has different attributes, qualities, Manifestations. 1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to Profit withal. Spirit is singular but manifestation’s of the Spirit are plural.
Wisdom, Knowledge, Healing, tongues, interpretation of tongues , Prophecy, miracles. Any person who is filled with the Holy Spirit has all these qualities IN THEM. When they need help in knowledge, they cry out to God and He gives them more knowledge, When they sick – they cry out for the gift of healing by the same spirit.
Every Spirit filled Christian is a Potential for all the gifts needed in his time life etc. We seek God and He revealed to us that we always had the wisdom, we always had the healing in us, we all had the communication gifts of Tongues and prophecy when Needed for our Growth to become MATURE = Perfect believers and Followers = imitators. The same Holy Ghost that was in Christ is IN YOU
Now The Devil also has different manifestations of the human spirit that try’s to always conquer the real man of God. One Christian is fighting drug addiction let say. Another is fighting for the victory of Lust, or hate, Malice. Etc. Satan had many, different manifestation in you life time that comes against you.
It has been the same with the O.T church and the N.T church. Jesus is trying to tell us that we can Overcome them all by Eating from the “Tree of Life” HOLY SPIRIT and not of the “Tree of Death” = the human spirit.
Praise God Anonymous – see you just unlocked a mystery. The end time Bride of Christ is the FULLNESS if Time and that means Both seeds Jesus and Satan is matured. And there is a great Armageddon war we all fight for our NEW BIRTH.
We are living in the GREAT UNITING TIME of BOTH satan’s character the “Mark” of the beast in its fullness and Christians are UNITING with the HOLY SPRIRT Character “ the Mark of God. Both Come into perfection. One is numbered 666 = perfect manmade religion. But Christ is 777 the COMPLETE WHOLE MAN of CHRIST in us.
So we NOW have by 20/20 hine-sight and see the uniting the “whole mystery of the Revelation of God“, to combat the “whole mystery of iniquity” revealed to Bride of Christ and of satan’s bride = satans bride just having the name Matt. 24:5.
2 TIM 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith = they do not have the Revelation of the Mystery of Christ- Also
Thess. 2:1,3,7-12 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, Man is trying at the present time to replace God. Mankind is the vessel that God Lives in according to the bible. Not a stone building.
Mankind is the TEMPLE of GOD that God lives in NOW 1 Cor.
7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
We could only see this “Whole Revelation of both” seeds in maturity in this Last Day.
YES this is the time the False and True “Spirits are uniting” very swiftly.
The Seven Spirits is found four times in the Book of Revelation
Rev.1:4-6 – “From the seven Spirits Which are before His throne.” 5. And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth, Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood 6. And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and every. Amen.
1. The Bride is the Mouth Piece “Spoken word in flesh” for God in all the ages, and We are His Eyes, and Horns = power and dominion in all the 7 ages.
A. The 12 Apostles and 12 tribes of Israel that are around the Throne are the Eyes, and Horns. Which are symbolic of the O.T and N.T believers.
Rev. 3:1 -“These things saith He That hath the seven Spirits.”
Rev.4:5 – “And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices; and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne “WHICH ARE”– the seven Spirits of God.”
Rev 5:6- “And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as It had been slain having seven horns and seven eyes, “WHICH ARE” the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
A. This is the Word explaining Word. Not man’s interpretations.
1. Like I said in past post – No Apostles or Prophets then no bride. No Pastors, No Teachers, No Evangelists. Cause it is Apostles and Prophets that lay down the Message for the ages that are to come. Listen to Apostle Paul in scripture below.
Ages to come in Apostle Pauls day
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly [in the heavenlies] places in Christ Jesus:
That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus,” Ephesians 2:4-7.
Paul the “APOSTLE” was the first messenger that Christ sent to the Gentile and Jew and wrote about 1/3 of the whole N.T and he said in Gal. 1:8 that if any angel, any messenger, any vicar, no matter who he was–if he preached any other gospel than what Paul preached, let him be accursed. Paul knew that after he was gone grievous wolves would come in. Act. 20:27-31 He knew that Satan, himself, could appear as an angel of light so how much more his ministers. These false ministers Preach and Teach the Doctrines of the Nicolaitans, Balaam teachings, and turns the true church into a Jezebel=whore. Which are the eyes of satan also going in all the earth by the Nations of Paganism doctrines spoke of in Daniel and the 4 beast.
The 1st. Seal that Christ Opened in Rev. 6:1 was a white horse rider that went forth “CONQUERING AND TO CONQUER – How many people know that was the “slogan for the Imperial Roman Empire” With their rod of deception to deceive the Bride. NICO means Conquer, Victory Over the common people – remember that the common people when Jesus walked the earth received him gladly.
Yet the great Sanhedrin system of the Pharisee, and Sadducee’s swayed them to not believe in Christ. They are symbolic today as the Catholic, and Protestant system’s of men.
Matt. 24:3-5 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall COME in my name, saying, I am Christ;=Christians and shall deceive many. Come in gr. Is 2064 – see below at bottom =ty
So God has to place Apostles and Prophets in each church age to be His eyes, and mouth, and power and dominion OVER SATANS doctrines that will take you to the 4th. Seal of Death, Hell and the Grave.
So Paul warns that this Gospel would always be the same. Now Paul had baptized in Jesus Name and rebaptized where people had not been so immersed. He set the church in order by the Leading of the HOLY SPIRIT and not a system of man telling man what they can be or not be. He taught the proper use of the gifts of the Spirit and confirmed that they were to remain in the church till Jesus came. Thus the next messengers, all the remaining six, would by the same Holy Ghost, burn with the same fire and give the same light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the signs would follow them. Did Irenaeus qualify? Yes. Did Martin? Yes. Did Columba? Yes. Did Martin Luther? Most assuredly. Did Wesley? Yes sir, he had a great ministry and even prayed for his horse to get well and it did. There you are. Seven church ages and seven messengers who were alike, and Paul pronounced a curse on anyone who said he was a messenger but had a different gospel and lived in a different light.
God Says
“I will add the plagues written in this book or I will take his part out of the Book of Life.” Revelation 22:18.
Matt. 4:5 – Come – 2064 erchomai –
1 to come
1. Of person
1a. of persons; to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving; to come i.e. to appear, make one’s appearance, come before the public
2. to come, metaphorically
2a. to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence; be established; become known; to come (fall) into or unto
3. to go, to follow one
St. JOHN 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Coming here is the same word – and also catcheth away is the word that the Denominations use for the Rapture. Oh my are you ready for a revelation
726- harpazo akin to 138 – and 142
AV — catch up — take by force — catch away — pluck — catch — pull
1. to seize, carry off by force, to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly, to snatch out or away
You see the Wolf has a rapture also. Oh my – He is a thief as well as Christ is. The World don’t know it. They cannot see it. They are blind – But we have been called out – come up hither into the heavenlies of the Holy Spirit. = air, atmosphere, We have also been snatched up into CHRIST.
If you believe that Jesus is God – and the HOLY SPRIT is GOD then how in the world can you confess you have the Holy spirit without it being Heaven.
Heaven is a condition, And atmosphereic realm, God has breathed on you and IN YOU. They were all “Filled with GOD” in the Book of Acts.
You are not going to heaven and then search around for God over in a corner somewhere are you.
You see – Heaven is WHEREVER GOD DWELLS – He is gathering His sheep in the heavenlies now.
Greek 138 – haireomai akin to 142;
AV — choose (3) 1) to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2) to choose by vote, elect to office
142 airo = — take up – take away — away with — lift up — bear
1. to raise up, elevate, lift up
2. to take upon one’s self and carry what has been raised up
3. to bear away what has been raised, carry off
Isa. 14:11-20 You see Lucifier, THE SON OF THE MORNING exalted his throne, dominion in the Garden and eat of the tree of Death. There are only 2 Sons of the Mornings mentioned in the bible – Adam and Jesus. Adam = mankind thought he could disobey God and still have eternal life. But the only form of Eternal life is in Jesus Christ the tree of life = the Revealed Word.
By mankind lifting himself up by NOT ACKNOWLEDGING GODS WORD OF TRUTH brought on the plague of Sin = sin is unbelief. But mankind for 6,000 years now has tried to build his Tower of Babel or Eden or we could say Salvation as well. Without it being Gods will.
Jesus the 2nd. Adam came and fixed that plague for us. That’s why there are 7 plagues in the book of Revelation. Plagues are curses, to the unbelievers. That turned their message away of the age they lived in.
The End is at hand. Call on Jesus today, cry out to him. Cause it will come upon the world suddenly that is the Word. Sudden destruction just like in Noah’s day. Rev. 18 the Great City will be gone in 1 hour – Babylon –
Rev. 18:4 Come out of her my People that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. The Coming of Christ is Calling you right now to enlighten you with His light and Revelation.
May the Lord richly bless you in the Spirit of Christ’s Truths. Bro. York
I am surprised no one has commented on the above statements by Tom York.
His conclusion: (correct me if I am wrong)
1. Church history is a cycle of bondage (Nicolaitanism), and liberty (reform), We being in the seventh of these ages. The seven Spirits, were sent to liberate the church from this bondage, only to be overtaken by the new “Nicolaitan Spirit”.
2. in the end times we will have a unification of both sides, bondage and liberty, and this unification will culminate at Armageddon.
3. Self exalted man is the antichrist, and the adversary as spoken of in the scriptures. And heaven is within us, where God dwells, and his Spirit rules. self exalted man being bondage, and those where the Spirit rules, being liberty.
These are some big claims. If we are looking for an antichrist that is a world leader, or are we looking within for that antichrist? They are most certainly not of any denomination that I am aware of, But are they of God?
I do not want this topic to be a monologue, this is not a place of condemning, but of exploring and discovery. The Spirit will discern the Truth and unite.
Thank you Tom, for your boldness and sincerity, God bless
I can see how tht antichrist could be inside of us, and outside of us as well.
I can see how most of the church will fall away in “unity” also
Praise God for your reply Marianne and Anonymous – Not many see it that is for sure. I appreciate you letting me speak my heart on this forum.
Sincerely in Jesus Name – Lord bless you all.
you are welcome. 🙂
that is why this site is here – to allow people to freely speak their views, and help them sort through their beliefs in the process.
You can even change your mind, or keep the same opinion.
Truly blessed but the 7 hors and 7 of the spirit is the perfection of the rescue work going rohkudus .Yesus was born he called a horn but when Yesus was victoriaos inthe so called seven hills golguta the hors of salvation (Luke 1:69) in agreement there are 7 to complete the spirit of the old prophets and now 7 Rohkudus,rohkudus the perfection of the work to save the world.amen
Rolly
Thank you for your response. I looked at your site, and read the page on Eden to New Jerusalem. It was written by the Holy Spirit. I especially enjoyed how you broke the three 2000 year periods into the time of the Father, the Child, and the Holy Spirit. The completion of the age of the Holy Spirit is coming to a close soon, and the fullness of the Spirit of the Lord will be revealed.
I Know you have a hard struggle in Indonesia, My prayers are with you. God bless.
To all.
This post was written by me, as alienated guessed correctly, (he is a good “ponderer”). I wanted this to be a place where people can freely explain their beliefs, in the hopes that the Topic, “the Seven Spirits of God”, would result in less bickering and more harmonizing amongst the church. God is too big for any one person to know. Thus he reveals himself to us in increments, so that we do not lose touch with our humaness. As I have been a somewhat controversial person on the site, I wanted to stay out of it, and the discussions as much as possible, only moderating occationally. I hope that this post can be a place for that in the future as well.
That being said, The seven Spirits of the Lord are spread among the seven churches, and each only has a part of the Truth of God, and his revealed plan for his creation. Pride, Human falleness has been what has kept these spirits apart, But the time is now for those sanctified by the Spirit to come together, and reveal the fullness of the Lord. To form the ONE TRUE church. This is not a world religion, But is distinct from all world religions. This is not a nicolaitan church, with a hierarchy, but one led by elders, whose only authority is God himself. It is time, as Malachi puts it, to show the world the distinction between righteousness and wickedness, and the one who serves God, and the one who does not serve him (Mal. 3:18), for the great day of the Lord is fast approaching.
I came here first with dates, As the Lord had showed me a “coincidence” with regard to Daniel 12:11. This was over a year ago. This was my question, which has been answered, and confirmed by all of you, though I will not set a date as a definite. Since then, I have debated with many of you, and the debate has been heated at times, but each time I debated, I learned more about God, Myself, and other believers, who fear the Lord, and Esteem him as much as if not more than myself. I learned to rely on the Holy Spirit, and to let him speak through me, as many of you here are incredibly adept at doing.
I Also came here with a burning desire to share the Gospel with our Jewish brothers and sisters. Though met with much resistence, the discussions I and others had with “cocodol” were very fruitful, and I pray they will speak to the Hebrew people when they are faced with the adversity that is to come. May they come to say “blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord,” and acknowledge their messiah, Yeshua. This discussion led to a fuller understanding of what it means to serve the Lord, and to what it takes to be called a servent of the Lord. It is my prayer that my work here has been a service to his Kingdom, and that the fruit of what has been spoken will continue to grow, and feed those who may read it in the future.
This last time, I did not come with a motive, only to do the Lord’s will, and be used by him. To be led by the Spirit, in interaction and fellowship with others. He then Gave me a task, which involved writing this posting, to bring the Spirit of the Lord together, which is a task I leave with you to complete. Alienated, you were by far the hardest nut to crack, The Pistachio that hadn’t opened during the roasting process. But you are also the most vital one to bringing these Spirits together, as your studies in linguistics can be a unifying factor. “Choreo” is the Word that I want you to live by. Translated as receive, with among other things to leave room for, or have space for receiving. As I said in my opening, God is too big for any one of us to know. I know you do not agree with me on the study of the elect and called, but do not be so stubborn as to not receive what Others Filled with the Spirit of the Lord have to offer. You have the ability to process these things, and to test the Spirits. What the Lord revealed to me, via the Holy Spirit on the church is stuck inside post, though not in agreement with your views, leaves no place (the opposite of choreo) for legalism, nicolaitanism, or elitism of any sort within the church. It does not put any one part of the body as more important than the other, and leads to submissive service for each person that is a part of that body. Do not dismiss it because it does not agree with your theology, but instead leave room for it. That is all I ask. I know you were hoping for a rebuttal to your last comment, but my silence is a rebuttal unto itself. The Spirit in me agrees with 90% of your studies, but usually disagrees with your conclusions. Others, I am sure, feel the same. Make the conclusions together, and you and the others who are here with you will head in the direction the Lord intended.
Tom, You are the opposite of alienated. You let the Spirit fly, and do not always back up your points with logic. You could learn from each other, and benefit each other, if you allow Alienated to refine you with his gifts, as he has refined me over time. To use a body analogy, you are like the right brain, and alienated the left brain. one creates, the other analyses
When only the right brain controls the artist, you end up with a Jackson Pollack, when only the left brain creates the art, you end up with a rembrandt, but when both sides of the brain work in unison, you end up with a Van Gogh, full of meaning and full of passion. Though all great artists, only one stands alone, and is unique. Imagine the Work of art that is created when all seven of the Spirits of the Lord come together, You end up with a “treasured possesion”, which the Lord of hosts will desire to have.
Others of you, are very much part of this as well, I only singled alienated and tom out, because of their opposite characteristics. It is my belief, that all of you are writing a “book of remembrence” here. The beauty of it is unfathomable. do not let your pride prevent you from coming together, and assembling what is the true Church, the one that encompasses all the overcomers within all the seven churches as spoken of in revelation, and not just one, or two.
That is my message to all, as I wind down my time here, and concentrate on my personal life and the decisions my family will be making. I will pop in from time to time, when time permits, but I will not be as volumonous in my comments as I was last year. Thank you marianne for allowing me to come back this time and setting aside our feud. May the Lord’s will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Your prayers are appreciated, nothing more I ask. God bless.
Have a good resurrection sunday all. Praise God he is risen!
Hi Dru,
So, you were the one that wrote this eh?
I thought, (within my first post above), that I had expressed quite clearly that I didn’t have a clue as to who wrote it?
Perhaps you assumed that what I had written, was me simply being sarcastic?
(Funny how the written word, can at times be so easily misunderstood?)
Any way’s, it was nice to have you back for a season and to be able to share differences in opinion, without things getting heated.
I wish You and Your family God’s Blessings for the future, and thank you for the time that we have shared together here. It was a mutually beneficial experience in many ways.
Shalom & Be Blessed my Brother.
Take Care.
a.
Thanks Alienated,
I told Marianne that you would certainly figure out it was me who wrote this, and were giving clues to the rest of them by using the word “Ponder”, as I had just used the word “ponder” on a previous comment to you.
At any rate, I think it produced some fruit in your studies, as indicated by your posting. The end, when God is fully revealed, and all his seven Spirits, will seem like wrath to the wicked, but to the righteous it will reveal a new creation, as we will witness his recreation, Just as new birth was revealed at the flood, the Passover, Jesus on the cross, which we have yet to see him crowned as king. We are living in the sixth millenium, The day man was created in the creation account, and when we will be recreated in his image. It is beautiful, when you think of it in these terms, A day is as thousand years, and a thousand years as a day. God bless.
To All,
Why is it that I am on this kick about getting the seven Spirits of the Lord to come together?
Because If they do not come together, Utter destruction. Why do i believe this? Because The seven churches are the Body of Christ, as stated in epheshians 4. please read this chapter. The Church in Ephesus is the first of the seven churches mentioned in revelation. Now read, and write down each of the things which the Angels of these churches hold. Now compare this to revelation 1:12-16. WE, Members of the seven churches ARE Jesus body. If we do not unite,…???? “We are Members of his Body” eph. 5:30
“for just as the body is one and has many members…so it is with Christ.” 1 Cor 12:12 ” the parts of the Body that seem to be weaker are INDISPENSIBLE, and those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor…” verses 22-23.
So who is “greater”, or better of the seven churches? They are all indispensible. A body is not made up of all hands, or all feet. This is truly a profound Mystery!!
I am a Laodicean overcomer. I have accepted my role as part of the Body of Christ. The overcomers from this church are not spewed out. The fire of the Spirit is burning Hot in me. His body is not made up of ALL philadelphian church members, But overcomers from ALL the seven Churches. Read the Letters to the seven churches. one will strike a chord with your testimony, and your struggles in life, and faith. If you have battled Nicolaitans, You are probably an Ephesian or pergamum church Member, A Jezebel, then a Thyatiran. No one is more important than the other. No one is better than the other.
I pray the Spirit open the door to this understanding, and why it is so important in these endtimes for the church to come together. So that the King of Kings may be revealed. God bless.
“Awake, O sleeper,
and arise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on You” (Ephesians 5:13)
Dru 8
I just read this and sent you a couple of emails.
You should have received 3 of them all together.
Let me know if you got them or not.
Be Blessed in Yeshua our KING of kings.
Love.
a.
I got two so far, and responded to both.
Dear Dru
It is odd some how and then not, how God moves simultaneously within the body of Christ regarding the same things.
It is always beautiful to read what you write. I am glad to have entered Mariannes’ site and to find you speaking the good news of the Lord.
I have been away and just recently returning. One part of me going on a journey for a son to marry and the other part going on a journey to continue my Saviors mission and readying to raise tent walls. For within by prayer and promise the latter day rain will fall.
So to your comments I add my recent wondering about the promises of the foot of a beleiver, who is of the body of Christ.
Can any man say to another that he is not worthy to receive, as we are not the judge.
Many fall away because of such judging and christian bad behavior. You can hear people say in a church with members who have much why do they come in jeans, why do they wear sandles to service? They come with a heart to hear not to boast or care of other men but to hear of the saviors message which never grows old. God just wants us to come as we our. If you have better and want to wear it, I think it great. I think it is good to let what our savior gave us to be seen. But if it offends the one who has not, then dress down, not up. God cares about the inside not the outside. He came to rescue us not our wardrobe. Modest day apparel according to the word, not pricey apparel.
Can one part say it has no need of the other? Who is the foot in the body of Christ? I pray it is all of the children of Christ.
Look at the opportunity promisesd alone of the foot. This being so what are our promises of the hand and the leg, and so on. The body maybe sick but if we all labor and labor not invein then the body of Christ will be well for his coming.
We know that the organization(s) of man are just that, but it is the organized spirit of the Holy ghost that leads and guides us after we are sanctified within. Our Savior who is KIng of Kings and Lord of Lords wants to lead and guide us as he is not of guile.
I am reminded of what God said to Joshua, he did not want men who could drink from a laddle but those who were without pride to the point of lapping the water for the drink of him. That drink from the rock refreshes and refreshes that men will never thirst again.
With that lapping he brings us to the understanding through the molding of Gods hands that he loves us all. In knowing we learn to love and we turn from the things of man and to the arms and answers of God
I am going on a new journey for me, but an old journey for the Savior. It is a “Come one, come all to the return to Jesus Christ Holy Ghost tent revival meetings. There will be seven ministers and I think abut 26 cities over the summer. Many have fallen away, for they are wearry, the backsliden need a kind word and a hand back to the Lord, for the oppressed just allittle talk with Jesus will make it right, for the sick healing from the savior, and for all overcomers fresh oil.
We are all in churches and are all parts of the body of Christ,
The foot alone so important, As I recall to rememberance that God told Moses, then Joshua: Joshua 1:3; Deuteronomy 11:24
Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses.
Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be. (and)
Deuteronomy 1:8 See, I have given you this land. Go in and take possession of the land that the LORD swore he would give to your fathers–to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob–and to their descendants after them.”
Deuteronomy 12:20 When the LORD your God has enlarged your territory as he promised you, and you crave meat and say, “I would like some meat,” then you may eat as much of it as you want.
Joshua 14:9 So on that day Moses swore to me, ‘The land on which your feet have walked will be your inheritance and that of your children forever, because you have followed the LORD my God wholeheartedly.’
Patty,
If you are still out there, sorry it took me so long to respond to this comment. It is beautiful, and rings true 10 months later. Jesus washed the disciples feet found in John 13: 1-20, please read this passage. The cleansing done by Jesus blood does not need repeating, But the washing of the feet sanctifies the part of us that touches the world. Within we are his temple, on the outside we are “dirty”, and need to be washed by water.
Jesus said: “For you call me teacher and Lord, and you are right, for so I AM. If I then your Lord and teacher have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet.” (verses 13-14)
I hope the aforementioned journey has been fruitful for you. God is revealing himself in these end times in a unity of the Spirit that i could not have imagined since I first wrote this post. Continue to serve those who he places before you, “and the King will answer [you], Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.” (Matt 25:40)
I know I seem “abrasive” at times, but then again, the dirt sometimes needs a good scrubbing. Keep this in mind, if you face this situation in your ministry. Do not give up on those who have walked in the mire for a prolonged period of time. They are the “least”, and they shall be first.
Shalom!
God bless you in your ministry.
To whom it may concern:
very thought provoking post. Thank you
the Greek word for the Holy Spirit, spirit, is ‘neuma’, it is the same word for breath, and the same word for wind…I know this is a late response however. we know that The Spirit of Prophecy is the testimony of Jesus that being said John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost…that being said we all to some degree say I feel the presense of “God” or peace so when I look at the 7 spirits of God I look at it as the different manifestations of Spirit in 1st corinthians 12…so when God breaths on us we can sense/feel it..thats why we are to test the “spirits” 1st john 4….john 3:8 “The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” … and of coarse there is and GOD breathed the breath of life into Adam!
Byron,
I agree that the Spiritual gifts are at play in the church. But if you take a close look at 1 corinthians 12, the very last line of this ties it into chapter 13 intimately. ” And I will show you a still more excellent way.”
If you note this progression also exists in 1 John 4 about testing the spirits, leading to receiving them and Love. For so long, Man in his pride has caused division in the churches. Imagine what that testimony would be like if we spoke with one voice, and if all those gifts worked together for his Kingdom. I believe that there will be an end time fulfillment of this which we cannot fully comprehend….yet.
God bless.
dru, great video!
To all,
The act of forgiveness rejects, overcomes, and defeats the evil spirit of bitterness. A testimony of forgiveness, grace/mercy is evidence of a walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-26).
“For if you forgive people their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses” (Matthew 6:14-15, Amplified Bible translation).
Here is a suggested prayer, seeking a softer heart, extending forgiveness.
“Search me Lord for holding any un-forgiveness, bitterness, hatred, anger and desire for retaliation to towards anyone (Psalm 139:23).
You have told me in Your Word, that to be forgiven, I must forgive (Matthew 6:14-15). I choose to obey Your Word (Matthew 19:17, John 14:14-21).
Father God, I plead the work of the Blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God, as a blessed covering and authorization to come before You in this matter. I declare and confirm my forgiveness to:
§ Each and every person, living or dead, who has in any way hurt, disappointed, betrayed, failed, abused or caused unjust pain to me.
§ Every institution, organization or authority that has caused undue hardship in my life because of unfairness, thievery or deceptiveness.
Abba Father, I wait now for the Holy Spirit’s ministry to bring to mind any specific person or situation I need to forgive so that my sin is removed it as far as the East is from the West.
I will to forgive: (Pause here, listen to what the Holy Spirit brings to mind. Then, specifically forgive each person or situation.)
Lord, I ask that Your wisdom envelops my mind as I take steps along the narrow path You place before me. Led me not into temptation but deliver me from evil. I repent, (turning from my selfishness/rebellion to your commandments) to walk in a new direction – along the paths of righteousness (Psalm 23 & Matthew 6:13).
Lord, show me where and how I can help others, speak words of encouragement, kindness and demonstrate Your love that You freely give to me (Ephesians 4:32). I desire to walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-26).
Thank you Abba God for all the blessings that You provide me and those in my care.
“Now may the God of hope fill me with all joy and peace in believing, that I may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit” (Romans 15:13, NKJV).
In Jesus Name I pray, Amen.”
14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15
23 “Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants.[g] 24 When he began to settle, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.[h] 25 And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant[i] fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.’ 27 And out of pity for him, the master of that servant released him and forgave him the debt. 28 But when that same servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii,[j] and seizing him, he began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay what you owe.’ 29 So his fellow servant fell down and pleaded with him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you.’ 30 He refused and went and put him in prison until he should pay the debt. 31 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their master all that had taken place. 32 Then his master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ 34 And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers,[k] until he should pay all his debt. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.” (Matthew 18:23-35)
dru,
Here is an excellent 4 page study (in letter format), from Derek Prince. You may find it a good resource.
There seems to be a distinction in Scriptures between The Holy Spirit and Holy Spirit and Spirit.
“When the Holy Spirit is not preceded by “the,” it denotes something non-personal: life, or a power, a force, a presence, an influence. On the other hand, when “Holy Spirit” is preceded by “the,” He is being depicted as a Person” (Derek Prince, linked below).
http://www.derekprince.org/Publisher/File.aspx?id=1000021491
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another” (Galatians 5:22-26, NKJV).
Blessings
Psalm 71
Marianne,
By erasing all the comments where people showed sincere repentance You have exposed yourself.
You have been exposed As the Jezebel that you are. There is one thing that Jezebel cannot tolerate, and that is repentance and forgiveness.
Although There exists a path of repentance for you as well, I do not think you will take it as your pride and controlling spirit will not allow you to humble yourself.
You may be able to manipulate some of the weaker ones on your site, But you cannot manipulate me with your lies.
Sorry if I was “Harassing”, but that is what you need….Hear the words of Jesus for you…
21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. 22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, 23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
Blessings to all…Copy and paste this and send it to your brothers and sisters here, as it will be removed rather quickly once I post it.
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India Reckoner said this on July 8, 2014 at 1:28 am |
Good morning to you all, I agree you in the name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Emmanuel, i thank GOD for his wisdom in your Life, i will like to know much about , thanks stay Blessed in JESUS NAME AMEN.
Good morning to you all, I agreet you in the name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Emmanuel, i thank GOD for his wisdom in your Life, i will like to know much about , thanks stay Blessed in JESUS NAME AMEN.
Thank you for your comment,
May God bless you as well.
1 Corinthians 12
The Seven Spirits of God, are not Jesus, For He was the Lamb of God in salvation but not at the end, John never said it was Jesus, it is Jesus and God’s Son, He is He ,Who has the Seven Spirits and is the new Lamb and the Lion of Judah, He is transforming now and was dead yet live. Unlike Adam, He must pass from death to life and the Bible after this war in Revelations must go with God, and those of God back to before creations began in the ways of man and far worse the devil , i am a witness of things to come, believe but don’t think ye can know of this in practical terms, Jesus comes back true but He has a Son and God has a GrandSon. Amen, who would have guessed
iRa,
I do not comment here anymore, but got notification in my old email of this comment.
The concept of God having a “grandson” is a deception of the gnostics and their false teachings that there is a blood line from Jesus passed down through European kings, also known as the merovingian blood line. Jesus is God incarnate, He was fully God, but chose not to reveal one aspect of his Godhood during the first advent, and that was his Judgment and wrath. The Passage in Isaiah11 quoted above says as much in context.
3And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall NOT JUDGE after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: (Isaiah 11:3) When He comes again at his second coming he will judge in wrath those who have rejected his free gift of the Lamb of God and the blood shed on the cross for us.
The Point of this post is to show the mercy and love of God in that while we were yet sinners and enemies of God, Christ died for us, But when he comes again he will not come in mercy and love for those who have denied Him and rejected Him.
It is wonderful.one should know about it. The study of revelation is very important, because we have destined to be throwned.
wisdom, strength, power, thanks, praise, honor and glory are the 7 spirits of YHWH. As you read from Revalations ch.4 to Rev. ch.19 it moves from the 24 elders falling face down to worship God every time the 4 living creatures who stand around the throne ( of the one that is described 1st as “someone sitting in it”) day and night and never stop saying: ” Holy, holy, holy, is YHWH the almighty God, who is, who was, and is to come.” Then the elders say how HE is worthy to receive glory, honor and power because HE created all things there are. HE holds the scroll of the 7 seals in HIS hand but even though HE is unworthy like all in heaven and all below it, HE sould be worthy but HE’S not. The lamb is and all in heaven say how he is worthy to receive power, wealth, wisdom, strength, honor and praise but all the creatures in all creation say only to the lamb be praise, honor, glory and power forever and ever, not giving him wisdom, wealth and strength. The lamb took the scroll from the right hand of Him who sits on the throne ( notice still not calling him God or any other titles). The lamb open 6 seals, then 144000 who were chosen received the seal on their foreheads. Then a great multitude stood before the throne and the lamb cried out “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and the lamb. Here in Rev.7:11 everything changes, all who were in heaven around the throne fell face down and worshipped before the throne of God ( notice it doesn’t say He or some other nondescript thing but God for the 1st time) saying: ” Amen! Praise, glory, wisdom, thanks, honor, power and strength be to our God forever and ever. Amen!” Skip to Rev. 11:15 when the 7th Angel sounds his trumpet, loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become of our God and His Messiah and He will reign forever and ever .” and the throne 24 elders worshipped GOD, saying: “We give thanks to you YHWH the almighty God, the One who is and who was ( no longer is “the one who will be” present, meaning He has become) because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign…” Reception. ch19:4 -8 the 24 elders and the living creatures worshipped God, who was seated on the throne ( showing He is now complete with His 7 spirits) then in verse 6 sounds like great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and loud peals of thunder, shouting: ” Hallelujah! For our almighty God YHWH reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give glory! For the wedding of the lamb has come and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linens bright and clean, was given her to wear.” As I hope you can see our God continues to transform from the indistinct character on the throne to the Almighty God of creation by being given his sprirts back by those who he poured it out for. I think that this was a beautiful gesture of the true love and devotion our Father has for us His children by showing us that yes the Messiah sacrificed for us but so did He and He trusted us with that sacrifice to show us how much he trusted us by giving His spirits to us to show We can always trust him with ours. I hope this helps some one find some truth they are looking for about our amazing loving Father in Heaven, maybe He bless you and yours with those spirits and may you bless him with yours.
amen