Son of Man, Angel of the Lord, and Messiah

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Micah predicts that a future ruler of Israel (Messiah), would be from everlasting.

Is there anyone predicted by the prophets from visions that matches this description?

Mic 5:2

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.

This means that the ruler would have pre-existed as a heavenly person in some way (from everlasting) before his appearance on earth.

And it would makes sense, and be consistent with divine prophecy, to provide some detail ,or clues,  as to who this ruler could be, so that Israel would be properly prepared.

There is a “Man” and “Son of Man” that appears in the Old Testament visions, and other times, an Angel of the Lord, that seems to be a special character.

Are they the same person, or either one of them, the same as the predicted ruler Messiah?

If not, who is the ruler from “everlasting?”

Sometimes “angels of the Lord” do appear as well, and they are just messengers. And sometimes “THE angel of the Lord appears.”

If the angel is given a name, then we have identification.

But there are times when no name is given, and the angel does not act like an angel, but like someone with greater authority.

There is also a man in heaven described at times in visions.

However, he is not called the Messiah, since this role is an earthly one.

But is the man in heaven the same one to come to earth, before he is to be declared Messiah?

This is important to understand, since Israel cannot accept a Messiah until it understands who and what the Messiah is, so they can recognize Him.

Scriptures to consider:

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The angel of the Lord appears to Hagar

Gen 16:10

And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

*** Notice that the angel says he will multiply her seed. God does not speak here, but the angel is making this promise.

Why does this angel have such special power?

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God will multiply Abraham

Gen 17:2

And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

Gen 17:7

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

*** Here , it is the Lord who promises to multiply the seed of Abram, not an “angel.”

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3 men appear to Abraham

Gen 18:1

And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Gen 18:2

And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw [them], he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Gen 18:22

And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

Gen 18:22

And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

*** The Lord appears to Abram as a man, with 2 other men, who are revealed later to be 2 angels.

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Burning Bush

Angel of the Lord appears in flames in middle of bush

Exd 3:2

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.

God called Moses from middle of bush

Exd 3:4

And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here [am] I.

Here, both the Angel of the Lord and God are described as being in the middle of the bush.

So are they the same “person,” or are there 2 “persons” in the bush?

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Joshua

At Jericho – a man appears to Joshua, who is the captain of the Lord’s army, so he is over the other angels. He has no name.

Jos 5:13

And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, [Art] thou for us, or for our adversaries?

Jos 5:14

And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

Jos 5:15

And the captain of the LORD’S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy. And Joshua did so.

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Jacob

A Man wrestles with him, and does not tell name – notice that Jacob realizes that he has “seen God” face to face.

This is impossible with God the Father, according to scripture, so whoever face he was seeing, it made him think it was God.

Gen 32:24

And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.

Gen 32:29

And Jacob asked [him], and said, Tell [me], I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore [is] it [that] thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.

Gen 32:30

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

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Isaac sacrifice

Angel of the Lord cancels God’s orders, and adds a personal comment

Gen 22:9

And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.

Gen 22:10

And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

Gen 22:11

And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I.

Gen 22:12

And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.

Notes:

V 12 The angel says Abraham has not withheld his son from HIM, not God.

V 15 By Myself I have sworn, I will bless you

Gen 22:15

And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,

Gen 22:16

And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son]:

Now the angel is quoting the Lord? Also that the Lord will bless him v17

Gen 22:17

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

Gen 22:18

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

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Judges

Angel Of the Lord led Israel out of Egypt and forms a covenant with Israel.

Normally, we would expect God, not an angel, to form covenants with Israel. Why was this angel special?

Usually angelic messengers quote God as the source, as “in God says to do this or that”….but here, the angel is discussing a covenant between him and Joshua and the children of Israel

Was this the same angel that was in the burning bush?

Jdg 2:1

And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

Jdg 2:2

And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this?

Jdg 2:3

Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be [as thorns] in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.

Jdg 2:4

And it came to pass, when the angel of the LORD spake these words unto all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voice, and wept.

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Angel of the Lord brings them to Israel.

God’s name is in him.

What known angel has God’s name “YHVH” in his name?

Exd 23:20

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Exd 23:21

Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him.

Exd 23:22

But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

Ex 24: 9-11 they SAW the God of Israel on Mt Sinai (v13) (before Joshua dies)

Exd 24:6

And Moses took half of the blood, and put [it] in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.

Exd 24:7

And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient

Exd 24:8

And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled [it] on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Exd 24:9

Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

Exd 24:10

And they saw the God of Israel: and [there was] under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in [his] clearness.

Exd 24:11

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

This passage is in contradiction to Exodus 33:20

Exd 33:20

And he (the Lord) said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

So…… “who” were the people really looking at in Exodus 24?

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Samson’s parents meet an “angel”

Name is “wonderful,” doesn’t tell name

Jdg 13:6

Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance [was] like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he [was], neither told he me his name:

Jdg 13:7

But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean [thing]: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

Jdg 13:8

Then Manoah intreated the LORD, and said, O my Lord, let the man of God which thou didst send come again unto us, and teach us what we shall do unto the child that shall be born.

Jdg 13:9

And God hearkened to the voice of Manoah; and the angel of God came again unto the woman as she sat in the field: but Manoah her husband [was] not with her.

Jdg 13:10

And the woman made haste, and ran, and shewed her husband, and said unto him, Behold, the man hath appeared unto me, that came unto me the [other] day.

Jdg 13:11

And Manoah arose, and went after his wife, and came to the man, and said unto him, [Art] thou the man that spakest unto the woman? And he said, I [am].

Jdg 13:13

And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware.

Jdg 13:16

And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he [was] an angel of the LORD.

Jdg 13:17

And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What [is] thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?

Jdg 13:18

And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it [is] secret?

Jdg 13:19

So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered [it] upon a rock unto the LORD: and [the angel] did wondrously; and Manoah and his wife looked on.

Jdg 13:20

For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on [it], and fell on their faces to the ground.

Jdg 13:21

But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he [was] an angel of the LORD.

Jdg 13:22

And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

When Manoah and his wife see the man as an angel, they feel they have seen the face of God, not just an angel.

How did this angel look, that he seemed to be an image of the God they are not allowed to see face to face?

Does this angel have the “face of God?”

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Gideon – Judges 6: 10-20

Angel of the Lord

Jdg 6:11

And there came an angel of the LORD, and sat under an oak which [was] in Ophrah, that [pertained] unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide [it] from the Midianites.

Jdg 6:12

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD [is] with thee, thou mighty man of valour.

*** note: here the angel is quoting the Lord, bringing a message, unless he is referring to himself.

Jdg 6:13

And Gideon said unto him, Oh my Lord, if the LORD be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where [be] all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.

*** note: here the angel is called Lord also.

Jdg 6:14

And the LORD looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?

Jdg 6:15

And he said unto him, Oh my Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my family [is] poor in Manasseh, and I [am] the least in my father’s house.

Jdg 6:16

And the LORD said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man.

*** note: now the Lord and the angel seem to be the same

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Man on throne

Eze 1:26

And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

Eze 1:28

As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so [was] the appearance of the brightness round about. This [was] the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw [it], I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

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Man with the appearance of fire

Eze 8:2

Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.

Eze 8:3

And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where [was] the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.

Eze 8:17

Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

Eze 8:18

Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, [yet] will I not hear them.

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Son of Man (Messiah) in Heaven receives the kingdom from the Ancient of Days

So he is already in heaven during time of Daniel, or this is a vision of a future time.

Dan 7:9

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire.

Dan 7:10

A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Dan 7:13

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Dan 7:14

And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed.

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Man in linen, with likeness to sons of men, with gold and bronze, responds to Daniel’s prayer, but held up by the prince of Persia, and helped by Michael.

Daniel calls him Lord

Dan 10:5

Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins [were] girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

Dan 10:6

His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

*** note: the man has the voice of a multitude, just as God does

Jer 51:16

When he [the Lord] uttereth [his] voice, [there is] a multitude of waters in the heavens; and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth: he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.

Dan 10:12

Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

Dan 10:13

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Dan 10:16

And, behold, [one] like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.

**note: he was like a human ( son of man)

 

Dan 10:19

And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace [be] unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

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Final note:

http://www.heavenlyascents.com/2008/10/01/the-human-form-on-gods-throne/

The idea that there is a divine, human-like figure seated on the throne of God comes up repeatedly in the Hebrew Bible.

The following are just a few of the main passages that illustrate this widespread early belief (most of these translations are from the RSV–which is the standard Bible translation used in most of my classes):

Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament over their heads there was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like sapphire; and seated above the likeness of a throne was a likeness as it were of a human form.

Isaiah 6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and his train filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim;

1 Kings 22:19 And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left;

Daniel 7:9–10, 13 9 As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was ancient of days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire. 10 A stream of fire issued and came forth from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened. 13 I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.

1 Samuel 4:4 4 So the people sent to Shiloh, and brought from there the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, who is enthroned on the cherubim; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.

Exodus 24:10–11 10 and they saw the God of Israel; and there was under his feet as it were a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness. 11 And he did not lay his hand on the chief men of the people of Israel; they beheld God, and ate and drank.

Psalm 29:10 The LORD sits enthroned over the flood; the LORD sits enthroned as king for ever.

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Conclusion


There is adequate scripture to back up the predicted Messianic ruler of Israel as a pre-existing heavenly figure, who appears later on earth in human form.


90 Responses to “Son of Man, Angel of the Lord, and Messiah”

  1. Be aware of the deceiver .This man that the Jewish people are waiting for is the Ant-Christ .You will know of him when he starts rebuilding the temple.Please take note:Jesus Christ will never ever again walk in flesh on this earth .At His arrival which will be in Spirit with His Angels and the 140 thousand saints which did not sullied their robs and are virgins They will appear in the heavens and everyone will see Him.

  2. It seems Jesus had a body of some sort after His resurrection, Rosa. He ate fish and let everyone see Him do it.

    Jesus said, if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father. But perhaps that does not answer the question about the angels people have seen. That is probably not clear.

  3. I disagree with the last sentence of Micah 5.2:

    ……”and his origins will be from early times, from days of old.”

    ……”whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.”

  4. Well, I’m happy that this article came to my inbox. I have questions about ‘the Angel of the Lord’. A friend of mine once told me that the angel in Revelation 10 was the Holy Spirit Himself. It is the angel who stood on land and sea and spoke (his voice was like the roar of a lion), to whom seven thunders responded whose spoken words (i.e. the words of the thunders) are the only ones in Revelation that John was not allowed to record. I wonder if the Spirit, who was seen ‘in bodily form as a dove’ descending on Jesus at His baptism, ever appears in the OT or NT as ‘the Angel of the Lord’.

    I also wonder about Jesus being ‘the Angel’. I then wonder who the Angel was who God gave to lead Israel, refusing to go with them lest He destroy them due to their rebellion. (Like, if the Angel was God or Jesus, what difference was it then that God send the Angel but not go?) Who was the Angel who wrestled with Jacob? Who was the Angel who appeared to Joshua as the commander of God’s armies? Who was the third Angel who came to Abraham at the terebinth oaks of Mamre before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha? Who was the man in many of Daniel’s and some others’ visions (like Zechariah’s) besides Gabriel? When the Angel is apparently speaking as God Himself, which Member of the Godhead is He? Who are the Seven Spirits of God? What Member of the Godhead did all those people (Isaiah, Moses seeing His back, Israel’s elders on the mountain with Moses, God who appeared to Israel in the wilderness as fire and a cloud, Ezekiel, Micaiah, etc.) see usually sitting on a throne?

  5. The sooner the church realises that God divorced the nation of Israel(technically it was the kingdom of Judah) in 34AD the better.

    The captain of the Lord’s host in Joshua 5:13-15 is none other than Michael the Archangel. Can’t be anyone else. See Revelation 12:7-9. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels. The dragon lost and was cast out of heaven and he took a 3rd of the angels with him. He brought them down with his tail. A tail in Bible prophecy is a prophet that teaches lies. See Isaiah 9:15. Satan sold a lie to the angels in heaven. See Ezekiel 28:13-19. Satan became jealous of Christ. Only Christ was allowed in meetings with the Father and Satan said I look just like Christ why aren’t I allowed in these meetings, it isn’t fair. He started saying to the other angels God isn’t fair, he is tyrant, a dictator, put me on the throne and we can get rid of these restrictive laws and have a good time. The Father had a meeting with all angels and explained the nature of Christ to them that he is the Son of God and is to be worshipped and obeyed. But Satan didn’t like this. He said, I look just like him, I deserve worship just as much as him. And the result was there was war in heaven. Satan lost and was thrown out of heaven. He came to the newly created Earth and tempted Adam and Eve and they too fell. At which point this planet was put under quarantine.

    Well I think Christians know(or should know) the rest of the story.

    • david

      how do you explain the promises of God in the old testament to natural Israel, then, for the latter days?

      he promises that Michael will stand up for Israel and fight. If God is true, then this means he has not altogether rejected Israel, because he is defending it.

      Jesus also said Israel would see him again, when they cried out to him, “blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”

      this also sounds like Israel will be redeemed by the end, which indicates a plan still in place for Israel.

      • Fulfilled in Christ.

        • yes for the church, but not yet for natural Israel.

          so are you saying God is permanently rejecting Israel, or is it temporary?

          • What exactly is Israel? It is the people of God. Those who obey the commandments of God and have the spirit of prophecy.

            Do the Jews accept Christ? Then the Jews can not be God’s people. There will be no sudden miraculous conversion of the Jews to Christ. If that is what you are waiting for you will have a long wait.

            2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

            2Cr 1:20 For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

            • david

              I cannot repeat all the prophecies from the OT indicating that Israel would be redeemed in the last days. there is not enough space in a comment column. maybe I will consider a post on it. God does not abandon anyone, especially Israel, and this pattern was obvious for thousands of years before christ ever came.

              • The church is now Israel. Jesus said to the priests in the temple just before he was nailed to the cross, “Your house is left unto you desolate.” They rejected Christ, so he left and formed the church with him as the head and his followers as his body.

                Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD. Am telling you the nation of Israel will not be restored. The Jews can only be saved the same as the rest of us by accepting Jesus as their saviour. There is no other way.

                I will leave it at that. If you want to believe what you believe then that is fine. We can agree to disagree.

      • I was always curious about life before earth and how it happened. Who came from where, when and how. it is good to know that Earth wasn’t just the “beginning” but I am curious if these angels such as Michael were humans at one point, or just literally created in Heaven, such as humans were created on earth.

        I also thought once in Heaven that everything was of worship and love for eternity, that nothing bad could go on. But maybe God allowed Satan to do this? does that mean we can do wrong in Heaven and be cast out as well? Or will our spirit only know what is good and nothing bad?

        Also Satan mentions Christ before being cast out. does that mean Jesus existed in Heaven before he was born on earth? and I only say this because he refers to Christ as a separate entity and not as God during that time, which was many years before the world was created.

        if someone could shed so information that would be awrsome.

        • hi serilei

          I do not know of any scripture to support that angels were humans.

          god created angels untested, just like he does us.

          at one point satan and his associates were tested and they failed and were expelled. the others passed the test, so they are ok now, we hope.

          when we get to heaven, it will be because we are already tested, and found faithful.

          we will have the wisdom of knowing good from evil from our own experience and the help of the holy spirit.

          both satan and jesus pre-existed in heaven before either went to earth or earth was created, and they knew each other. jesus saw satan fall from heaven after he was judged.

    • 2 Chronicles 7:14 (and others) promise, “if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” This happens in God’s time. Romans 11:25 (and all of chapter in context) says, “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.” Israel will recognize the truth, God is not finished with Israel. We must remember, Israel is the root and we are gradted into their promisea. If they ceased to be, we would have nothing. The root must be alive to support the braches grafted in. Jesus is their Messiah, salvation comes from the Jews. God has made eternal promises to them that will be fulfilled. And divorce? God hates divorce. It is a period of separation, a TEMPORARY spiritual blinding, necessary so that we Gentiles could come to salvation. “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”

      • Israel today is spiritual Israel. An Israelite is someone who is a believer. A gentile is a non believer. To me the literal Jews are gentiles.

        Both covenants were made with the house of Israel. The fact that you believe God still is married to literal Israel even though the Bible says God calls them an adulteress and in apostasy shows you believe in Jesuit theology.

        I believe God divorced Judah in 34AD when Stephen was stoned. He saw Jesus standing up signalling close of probation for the Jewish church and the gospel went to the gentiles. Peter preached to Cornelius and Paul was converted on the road to Damascus. The church replaced the nation of Judah. Jesus declared the Jewish priest system “Your house is left unto you desolate.”

        Now it doesn’t matter if you are male or female, Jew or Greek, poor or rich for we are all one in Christ Jesus.

        Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

        Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

        Gal 3:26 ¶ For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
        Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
        Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
        Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

  6. Be reminded each of your days that in each moment lies a lifetime. Your choice should be heartfelt, each decision leading to your own life unraveling. If you believe in me I will be there to guide and counsel you. If you do not, then you may lose me for good. I can give you your salvation. Believe once more

  7. Marianne,

    ” and his origins will be from early times, from days of old.” The word used for “his origins” is מוצאתיו . It appears to me that his parentage is from early times. The word used for “from days of old” – מימיעולם , which is not the word “from everlasting” מילעולם . This was my disagreement with the last sentence. This basically tells me the persons parentage is from early times, and the wording “of days of old” as an emphasis to his parentage. It is just my observation, nothing personal.

    • I do not agree with that.

      everyone has ancestors, so everyone has parentage from ancient times

      מוֹצָאָה also means origins… so his origins are from yom עוֹלָם… from eternity

      eternity is about as ancient as you can get

  8. It is Archanel Micheal who is Jesus we are talking about. David you are right about Micheal but wrong with rest of your faith.

    • I am a historist, Adam. I don’t follow any Jesuit inspired theologies like Protestantism does today.

      I think I am right but I can’t force my beliefs on you no more than you can on me.

      • david
        my faith is based on jesus faith and he is back and have teached me. If you deny my faith you deny jesus faith.

  9. I am pretty sure you should know this but to deny any mans faith is not to believe in jesus. Maybe you should take up golf. I believe it is comical to see that the two people bickering would be David and Adam. A name is who you are. Embrace it and hold true to those who have passed it to you before them. You both were given an incredible name. Be David, be wise, a natural leader, your strength is evident. As for Adam You were our first. You should know by now what is right and what is wrong but if not we can teach you again

  10. I am Michael, Was born this way and have been Michael for quite some time. I teach of what I know, what Ive been told and what has been given to me. Believe in yourself and in me. We will need you David, sooner then you believe. Do not turn a blind eye to truth, study and find out this truth you seek. I encourage it. History tells many stories. Some in which man will never know. Unless man decided to believe once more and listen to these stories. Are your ears open David? Mine are. I hear you and I believe in you.

    • To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

      Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
      Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

  11. If you do not believe in Christ then what do you believe in? I can see you believe in writings but are unsure of any truths they may hold. That is in fact a wise decision. Blind faith is needed to make your journeys pass but to earn that faith we are challenged this task. It is not one given to anyone. What else do you have to say on this subject David?

    • I believe what the Bible teaches for the Bible is the record of Jesus Christ written in the 66 books of the Bible. What I believe must have a basis in the Bible.

      I know the devil can appear as an angel of light, even impersonate Christ himself. I do not take as read what people say, it must be based on a “thus saith the Lord.” If it isn’t in the Bible it is out.

  12. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

    Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    That might be very dangerous if I was an angel. This might be very dangerous if I were a man speaking for myself. I am Michael speaking for you and with you. I am the light, I control your darkness. It lives within me as well but not as a task given to me but as a choice I made in order to protect you. I will protect you

  13. I am a historist, Adam. I don’t follow any Jesuit inspired theologies like Protestantism does today.

    I think I am right but I can’t force my beliefs on you no more than you can on me.

    So you believe in the bible? So you believe in Christ? Don’t worry no one is mad at you. Please explain?

    • The Bible is man’s only standard. It is our only safe guard against the devil.

      A good angel and the Holy Spirit will lead you into truth and it must agree with the Bible. If an angel or someone says to you something which conflicts with the teachings of the Bible then that angel or man has no light in them, they are to be discarded, ignored.

      An example of popular Jesuit teaching in Protestant churches today is the popular teaching of the 7 year tribulation and the pre-trib rapture. The popular teaching of cutting off the last 7 years of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy into the far distant future. All of Jesuit origin.

  14. I believe life was given to me at this time in history to use it to protect you. If not then I am wrong and all is well. If I am right then you will need to believe in me because I will need your faith to continue and your mind along the way. Life isn’t always as simple as books and if you only believe in the books of the bible then you limit yourself to the past and cannot possibly live a life in this present. Word is given to you when you need it not when you want it. Open your ears and choose to give things a chance or not. Eventually you will see. Hopefully it will not be too late

  15. I have protected you many times before and I will protect you again David. It is a choice and also a duty only befitting me. No other could do for you as I have chosen. Read again. Look through the bible and understand I am not here to hurt you but in all ways to help you.

  16. Understandably so. Challenging things is in your nature. Its what makes you David. As to Marianne I am Michael, I am not an angel and not a man. The light flows through me as I am the only one who can channel it. I am not a spiritualist but Michael. If you go by the bible alone then the bible will teach you that there is a being not of man or angels. There is only one. It is okay to challenge this but you will need me before the end. I would never guide you down the wrong path.

    • Then what are you, Michael. I hope you are not claiming to be god for that would be blasphemy.

  17. If it makes me a new ager to be the one to enlighten you and help you then I will take that name for you. I have been called many things and many names but mostly Michael, I am of no new age but of time as it has started. I need not prove myself to you. How can I help you if you deny me?

  18. I am Michael Christopher, that is my name. I cannot claim to be anything I am not. Hope this is the answer you seek. I am a the body, the word, the flesh. If you seek answers then I encourage you to read of me. In many ways I am more then what you believe but it is all spelled out if you read and believe.

  19. I am claiming all that I know and that I have stated. I am Michael. Take what you must of that.

    • Oy Vey

      It has been awhile since we have had someone of this ilk here.
      It was bound to happen again sooner or later.

      If one claims to not be a man, (though they are born of a woman and living on this planet), and they are certainly not an angel, (typing away on their little computer), then by process of elimination, they’re a nut bar!

      I believe that it ‘s best to simply ignore them.

      Just my opinion.

      A.

  20. The angel of the Lord and The lamb are two different.. Saints are not angels. Christ was a saint

  21. What were you accepted in? It seems you are a very unaccepting person. That’s good for you. Your opinion is your own. I hope you have a great day. Most of the time people try to make a point but it seems as if the only point you are trying to make is that you enjoy trying to disgrace others. Is that a good behavior? Im not sure but I am actually sure that you are not supposed to judge others. I would repent if I was you.

    • Hey Michael,

      I was only reacting to how you have come on to the site as presenting yourself as being something “unique and special” in some mysterious way.

      This is an open forum where over the years we have had many people that have done the same, and have over time only proven that they should be on some form of medication.

      For just one example there was an individual that claimed that she was the Holy Spirit and that her dead spouse was the Archangel Michael.

      Now you appear and seem to portray yourself in a similar fashion.

      To answer your question;
      I am accepted into the family of God the Father through the shed blood of my Savior Yeshua HaMashiach.

      You yourself are judging me based upon this one instance within my response to you, and have no idea whatsoever as to how I conduct myself with others. I extend an open heart and hand to many that most of society would simply walk past with disdain.

      So enough of the mysterious hoopla, though you have been plainly asked before…. who or what do you claim yourself to be?

      And can you prove it?

      A.

  22. May God the Father in His mercy comfort those of the latest Tornado in Oklahoma.
    In Yeshua’s Precious Name.
    Amen.

  23. I have been on here for a long while. I have posted many times. I am what I am. I have been treated this way many times before but I don’t understand how people who claim they need my help can then fight against me? That is why man is man and I am me. I do not understand fully but I do accept you and all of your mysteries. Im sorry but I am not insane. I do not need your medication or your diagnosis. I am sorry that a women claimed to have been married to me or that I have passed on. I fight for you even when you give up. I hold your hands and give you strength. I guide you as you like no other could. I deliver you and receive you. I am with you through it all. Who else could? I am sorry that life has made you hardened or turned you against ones who could help but rest assured I have an answer for you. My judgement isn’t to hurt you it is to guide you and is accepted and expected. As is yours of mine I guess. I could see you walking past a man in distress and I only say this because I have seen it with my own eyes. For instance if you say that society would walk past people in disdain you claim to know what all people would do. I am fairly sure that many people have made a conscious effort to make different decisions then you. What it is to be human. As you have read I am of no mystery. I am Michael Christopher and that is all I am. You can read of me in many stories through many religions through any and all histories. Acceptance of this is crucial. To keep asking a question to something I have answered many times before seems almost pointless. Again, I do not understand all of what you are but accept you for your strengths and weaknesses and if it is what you need I will accept that. I am alive and well and have never left your side. Betray me if you must but know I am always here for you. With love and faith

    • Gee…. um …. ???

      But the LORD my God and Yeshua my Savior is Who I will depend upon for mercy and strength thanks.

      You be whatever you perceive yourself to be there Mike.
      (If you were holy somehow in any respect, you would have all understanding and wisdom and wouldn’t be wondering “as to why” about anything.)

      And on the contrary, life hasn’t hardened me. It has instead opened my heart, made me humble, compassionate and well aware of how much I need Yeshua as my Savior.

      Thanks for your response though.
      Be blessed in Yeshua the only Way, the only Truth and the only Life.
      Amen.

  24. Accepted you make an extreme amount of judgements for any man. If I were a man I would have completely lost all faith in someone like you. My name is not Mike, I do not have any and all understanding as knowone does. I have been here throughout and watched creation many times. I have saved you and saved others alike. You were all special to me. At times it is necessary to extend to understand what it is that makes you special but it is easy to see. What makes you special is what all things created have. Each one of you, each man, each bird, each tree each insect all have your own soul given to you upon creation. It is something to smile about each waking day. You can curse me one moment and love me the next, you are individual and that is why I saved you and loved you. There are many things you do not know of me either and I believe that is how it should be. I hope this is an adequate answer. Many times I have came to earth to help or save you. There has been none other who solely ventured here to guide you in the flesh. Read and understand why. It has allways been me. Through all of history through all religions I have came and gone. I did not create your beliefs just your cornerstones. I have created you and all of your differences and at times all of your love and hopefully your togetherness. So please continue with your faith but cast fear of me aside. I am just a visitor. In faith and love

    • oh man I don’t think I have seen someone troll so hard. just give it up man. what point you are trying to extend (not force) isn’t working. yes you may not be crazy, do not need medication, or anything, but their minds won’t steer away from God and Jesus Christ.

      You also said you aren’t a man nor angel, but someone mentioned that some crazy lady said she was married to Archangel Michael and you said no one was married to me. Contradictions.

      No one is judging you, well as far as I can tell, and not me either, but trolling and getting people riled up isn’t cool. You are Michael Christopher, a person with a name, a job (hopefully) and a life (hopefully also) maybe own a car or who knows. You shouldn’t be on the internet trying to do (whatever this is you are trying to do) you should be in the streets saving people of all races ages and genders bro. no one is arguing, mad or fighting, not even I, but cut out the trolling, go outside and get some fresh air, and have a great safe day my friend.

    • Hey there Mike,

      Where in my last post to you there did I make any judgements regarding you or what you perceive yourself to be?

      You say above, “If I were a man I would have completely lost all faith in someone like you.”

      I say, “Well it’s a good thing that you’re not a man then, because for you to have lost all faith in me means that you have judged me already”, (Which fortunately that position of authority has already been granted to Another.)

      You say that you have saved me……. Just for fun, give me specifics and tell me of one time that you have saved me? (Or anyone else for that matter?)
      Or since you also say, “There has been none other who solely ventured here to guide you in the flesh.” that would mean that you would have to know where I was born too. So where was that?

      You are quite entertaining though…. have you thought about taking this act on the road? Maybe Adam could be your manager?

      🙂

      • Oh and Mike,
        Though you would already be aware of this being who you are and all of that, I am not a man either.
        Nope, I’m simply a figment of your imagination and don’t really exist at all.
        This post as well, what you are reading here right now, doesn’t exist either.
        Neither does the one that you think is above this one, or this site, or the computer that you think that you’re sitting in front of at this time.

        See that chicken that you thought you should maybe throw out last week was bad, but you went and ate it any way’s.
        Maybe you’ll think twice about doing that down the road.

        Try some Alka-Seltzer or something and get a good nights sleep.
        Hopefully you’ll feel better in the morning.
        🙂

    • Michael

      sorry about these guys.

      you make some unusual statements, but that is no reason to give you a hard time.

  25. In the old world there ware only angels and demons (life and death – the world was cursed) and humans (who happened to live the most unfortuante lives… humans were the battleground – they were dead, they had lost the war and labor). those covered became saints when the price was paid (meaning they had the promise of life), and those living remained angels…

    • The purpose of an angel is to spread it’s seed of love.. but the purpose of a saint is to spread the word of God, and of salvation. and to save as many unsaved people as they can which usually turns out to be less than a handful.

      • good thoughts, !

      • A saint can be an angel. Angel means messenger. Anyone who has a message from God is an angel.

        • David
          Anyone who has a message from our father is a prophet and not an angel. Angels are thoose who our father created in heaven. Not humans.

          • Strong’s G32 – aggelos

            1) a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God

            Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 186

            AV — angel 179, messenger 7

            Mat 11:10 For 1063 this 3778 is 2076 [he], of 4012 whom 3739 it is written 1125 , Behold 2400 , I 1473 send 649 my 3450 messenger32 before 4253 thy 4675 face 4383, which 3739 shall prepare 2680 thy 4675 way 3598 before 1715 thee 4675.

            Jesus called John the Baptist an aggelos.

            Mar 1:2 As 5613 it is written 1125 in 1722 the prophets 4396, Behold 2400 , I 1473 send 649 my 3450 messenger32 before 4253 thy 4675 face 4383, which 3739 shall prepare 2680 thy 4675 way 3598 before 1715 thee 4675.

            Luk 7:24 And 1161 when the messengers 32 of John 2491 were departed 565, he began 756 to speak 3004 unto 4314 the people 3793 concerning 4012 John 2491, What 5101 went ye out 1831 into 1519 the wilderness 2048 for to see 2300? A reed 2563 shaken 4531 with 5259 the wind 417?

            The messengers John sent to Jesus were called aggelos.

            Luk 9:52 And 2532 sent 649 messengers 32 before 4253 his 846 face 4383: and 2532 they went 4198, and entered 1525 into 1519 a village 2968 of the Samaritans 4541, to 5620 make ready 2090 for him 846.

            Jam 2:25 Likewise 3668 1161 also 2532 was 1344 0 not 3756 Rahab 4460 the harlot 4204 justified 1344 by 1537 works 2041, when she had received 5264 the messengers 32, and 2532 had sent [them] out 1544 another 2087 way 3598?

            The spies that Rahab hid were called aggelos.

            • David
              I call my children angels. That doesn´t mean they are angels.

              • Am just telling you what the Scripture says. An angel in the Bible is someone who has a message from God. That can be a heavenly being or a man or a woman.

                The three angels of Revelation 14 are three messages that the people of God are to give at the end of time. The angels in this chapter(verses 6-12) are represented by messages. First message is to come back to God and worship Him, why? because he created the heavens and the earth. Second message is Babylon is fallen, is fallen and the third is a warning against taking the mark of the beast.

                Don’t tell me you are expecting to see angels literally flying in the heaven shouting do you?

            • Hi David,

              You know life is funny and you can study something in great depths for years and then one day….”poof”…. you learn something new, (which if it wasn’t so obvious), you should have realized years ago.

              I found your post regarding “messengers” above to be quite interesting, so I did a quick study on the subject which you and others may find interesting.

              Messenger (s) in the transliterated Greek is indeed “aggelos” (Strong’s 32), as is also “apostolos” (Strong’s 652).

              This then piqued my curiosity so I then searched out the following synonym’s for “messenger”.

              Agent, ambassador, bearer, carrier, commissionaire, courier, crier, delegate, delivery person, detachment, detail, dispatcher, emissary, envoy, errand person, flag-bearer, forerunner, go-between, harbinger, herald, intermediary, mediator, minister, post, precursor, prophet, and runner.

              Of all of the above, there were only Greek words for…….

              Ambassador…………. presbeuō, (Strong’s 4243).

              Forerunner ………….. prodromos, (Strong’s 4274).

              Mediator ………….. mesitēs, (Strong’s 3316).

              Prophet …………… prophētēs, (Strong’s 4396).

              and

              Minister …………… http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/lexiconc.cfm?Criteria=minister&st=whole

              Therefore, though the Greek transliterated word “aggelos” was utilized in referring to John the Baptist within Matthew 11:10., we know that John was born of the flesh from the union of Zacharias and Elizabeth. However, in the future we must then utilize the surrounding narrative to establish context in being able to differentiate between a creation of God prior to the foundation of the world, (a holy angel), and a messenger that was born of flesh, (a mere man).

              But thanks, the above made my day.🙂

              Be Blessed in Yeshua our KING of Righteousness.
              Amen.

  26. David
    I can teach you from the real Church that the book Rev is Jesus dreams. John sees Jesus dreams. In a dream an angel can be everything. If you think Rev will be fullfilled then you will wait a long time because it will not happen.

    • Think you will find that most of Revelation has already been fulfilled.

      • David,

        In my opinion, notta chance with that.
        The world is in for a whole lotta hurt down the road.

        A

      • David
        Rev 12:1-4 and half 5 has beene fullfilled. That is Jesus second birth as a baptized.

  27. David and all- You are right on with the most of it. The Messenger’s of the Church ages are men. Appointed by God – Apostle Paul was a Angel messenger to the Jew and Gentile church placing the Church into Time – Luther was an Angel messenger to bring the Church out of Catholicism in the 1500’s.

    On and on till the last 7th. Angel messenger who came in 1933 to 1966. Named William Branham – The theme of His Message was Rev. 14:9-10 – You will see the Last 3 Angel messengers message – The last 3 woes. Rev. 14:6-7 starts with Luther’s message. Verse 8 is John Wesly’s sanctification message. Rev. 14: 9-10 is the third woe. started at 1906 Pentecost message in America. And then the “Latter Rain” = teaching reign started when the last 7th. age messenger in 1933 and laid down the foundation for us all. The forerunner of Christ coming on the Scene – Like a thief in the night.

    The 7th. Message was IN the age of the “Mark of the beast image” being so prevalent. And the wrath of God follows that message to all that will not except Gods Grace and repent. Just as in Noah’s day will perish.

    Rev. 18:4 is the 7th. age Message – Come out of her my People”= Babylon were not saying there are no more messengers. Because every Message from the real 5 fold ministry wins souls by their Message. Everyone that believed John, Jesus, Paul and Apostles became messenger’s of their age.

    Read Rev. 10:8-11 – Many people are eating the Book and it is so sweet. Yet it becomes bitter because of the unbelief of the people that will not except it. Like all the Prophets in the whole Bible. Luther had plenty followers in his day. John Wesley had millions of followers in his day. And Bro. Branham has millions of followers in today’s last day message.

    We were promised a Last day Elijah ministry Mal. 4. It has come and gone.
    Just as was John the Baptist a forerunner of Jesus Christ himself. John’s message was the introduction of Messiah. Each Age has Messenger’s and they are Prophets always. God does nothing until He reveals it to Prophets first. Then they lay the Message out for the People to hear. Their Message is a Trumpet call. Back to Christ or perish. Amos 3:7 I believe

    In Rev. 11:14 -19 Please read those scriptures. You will see that Jesus at the time of 7th. Angels Message had Come -Past tense – Present – forever
    Now read the same 3 Woes again that was in Rev. 14. The 3rd Woe was the taking over the world by the Kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ = Christ means His annointed the Bride. Rev. 11:15

    But then read the rest of the chapter 11. Its the end. The Ark is finished and in plain sight. Meaning the same as in Noah’s day. If you not in that ARK and the “ARK in you” then you are lost. And you will not experience the Feast of Tabernacles. Judgment and Wrath is to the un-believer.

    REV 14 telling the same story just in a different scenario . Rev. 16 is the wrath of God – Rev. 11 says its the wrath of God = judgment of the Lost – After Mercy has been sperned by the scofers, and un-repentant. The Book of Revelation is set up with 6 or 7 difference scenario’s or cycles of the same thing. Once we understand this riddle – you can understand the Book of Revelation. Once and for all. But it will only be for the Bride of Christ that knows the mysteries.
    bro. ty – Shalom and peace to you

    • Tom,

      Paul was an “Apostle” the Greek “ἀπόστολος” transliterated as “apostolos” (Strong’s 652), Romans 1:1.
      “Apostolos” is primarily defined as, “a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders”. He was NOT an angel messenger!

      Neither were the other men that you ascribe the same title to.

      Again I will just close with Scripture;

      “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
      2 Timothy 2:15-19. KJV.

      A.

  28. to all and accepted for sure –
    Paul was an “Apostle” the Greek “ἀπόστολος” transliterated as “apostolos” (Strong’s 652), Romans 1:1.
    “Apostolos” is primarily defined as, “a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders”. He was NOT an angel messenger!

    Eph. 4:11 on Christ give gifts unto men. His Prophets, Apostles, and Bride
    “Light” is defined below along with Voice – & – Angel –

    MATT 5:14 “YE” are the “LIGHT” of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

    JOHN 1:4- In him was life; and the life was the LIGHT of MEN.

    JOHN 1:5- And the LIGHT shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    JOHN 1:6 There was A MAN sent from God, whose name was John.

    JOHN 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of THE LIGHT, that all men through him might believe.

    JOHN 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

    JOHN 1:9 That was the true Light, which “LIGHTETH EVERY MAN” that cometh into the world.

    REVELATION 21:24- And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the LIGHT OF IT : and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

    REVELATION 16:17- ¶ And the SEVENTH ANGEL poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great “VOICE” out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

    “End of the world” and last Voice the 7th. angel is there also. Different visions of different situation revealing the Mystery of Jesus Christ

    “LIGHT” DEFINED – ALSO SAME A “VOICE” IN REV. 16:17
    5457 » phos (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays, compare 5316, 5346);
    AV — light (68) — fire (2) [70]
    a) the light: emitted by a lamp, a heavenly light such as SURROUND ANGELS WHEN THEY APPEAR ON EARTH
    2) metaph.
    2b) OF TRUTH AND ITS KNOWLEDGE, together with the SPIRITUAL PURITY associated with it
    2c) that which is EXPOSED to the VIEW of all, openly, PUBLICLY
    2d) reason, MIND; the POWER OF UNDERSTANDING esp. moral and SPIRITUAL TRUTH

    ALSO 32 ANGEL MEANING- aggelos from aggello [probably derived from 71, compare 34] (to bring tidings); — angel (179) — messenger (7) [186]
    1) A MESSENGER , envoy, one who is sent, AN ANGEL , A MESSENGER FROM GOD

    And God gave gifts unto man
    EPH 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    EPHESIANS 4:12
    » 12 † For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

    EPHESIANS 4:13
    » 13 † Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    EPHESIANS 4:14
    » 14 † That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

    EPHESIANS 4:15
    » 15 † But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

    • Sorry Tom,

      As it stands right now, I’m done attempting to answer what I consider to be the constant ramblings of complete and utter silliness that you post.

      If you wish to believe that Paul was an angel then there you go.
      Have fun with that.

      I am done.
      I will leave it all in the Hands of God for those that read what you have to say to either believe it, or disregard it.
      He is capable through the Holy Spirit to do what I apparently am incapable of doing.

      A.

  29. II COR. 11:14- And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. = how – through mankind

    II COR.11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. = works is mankind , ministers are mankind

    Both sides of the picture have been shown – Gods true angels on earth.
    And Satans angels on earth. Ministers of righteousness – men – Whose end
    Man has an end if he is not born again. again Paul talking about Human Angels. here.

    You can usely always detect a false prophet – They will spend more time collecting money as they do preaching or teaching. Thats in the Bible.

    I have sent in the meaning of the word GOD – more than once.
    I wonder how many have ever took notice of it. God uses MEN – good and bad to teach

    MAL. 2:15- And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a GODLY SEED .

    430 ‘elohiym plural of 433 – 410; TWOT- 93c; n m p

    1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods
    2) (plural intensive — singular meaning)
    2a) god, goddess
    2b) godlike one
    2c) works or special possessions of God
    2d) the (true) God
    2e) God

    410 ‘el 1) god, god-like one, mighty one
    1a) mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes
    1b) angels
    1c) god, false god, (demons, imaginations)
    1d) God, the one true God, Jehovah
    2) mighty things in nature
    3) strength, power

    GENESIS 3:5- For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and “ye shall be as gods”, knowing good and evil.

    JOHN 10:34 – Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    JOHN 10:35 – If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    JOHN 10:36- Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    If this does not absolutely prove that mankind are theo-phanies – no use to say anymore about it.

    Theo means God – Phany means -flesh – I was an Angel before I ever came into my clay body at the natural birth.

    False Prophets -only see- ‘elohiym- as a Father, Son, and Holy Ghost – trying to prove their Trinity theories. Got the whole church messed up.
    A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. We are gods – as well –

    in love – bro. ty

  30. Dear Lady of God you have pages of scriptures but do you not know that Heil will come in the clouds for every eye to see do not be disceaved what every man sows that he shall reap I love you sis be carful.p.s . pray for me I need help I am an alcoholic!

  31. I be leave I am condemned to death and that I am an angel of death who refuses to kill and that I will be killed for refusing to complie

  32. I feel solo alone I need love so badly and am stuck in a situation where I am chained to another who does not believe as I do

  33. Please reply

  34. Hi Marianne!

    I have made a teaching about the Angel of the Lord being Jesus. My teaching is called “The Angel of Yahweh.” Yahweh is Hebrew for God the Father.

    I would like to use the picture at the top of this site of the “glowing” angel in my teaching. Is it okay if I use it as the front page picture in my teaching for commercial use?

    Yeshua’s (Jesus’) blessings to you and yours, Marianne.

    Greetings from Denmark

    • kenneth

      this is not my picture. I got it from the public domain I did not see a copyright for it but you can research this further. in my case, there is no profit to me using it.

      since you are considering using it for commercial use, I would definitely research this out before using it or just pick a different picture that you know is safe to use.

      if you are using my post content, then that is a different matter, and I do not give permission to use it for commercial purposes…..it has to be nonprofit or for educational purposes with no profit intended.

  35. This is a very well written study on the Mysteries of God and His FORM (i.e. the Godhead):

    Numbers 12:8
    With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the FORM of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?”

    The Aspects of God you have focused on in your paper are the NAME of the LORD and the FACE of the LORD and you have intimately linked these to the Angel of the LORD.

    This is ultimately correct as they are one and he same and will lead you to the conclusion that the Angel of the LORD is named the LORD(YHWH) and is the WORD of the LORD that comes to each Prophet.

    This Angel of the LORD is the FACE of the LORD which you have proven, and is the RIGHT HAND of the LORD/GLORY of the LORD.

    However, you have mixed up a couple of facts which are essential in understanding the Godhead (FORM).

    Israel is lead out of Egypt and saved from Pharoah by the RIGHT HAND of the LORD and HIS ARM (HAND).

    The ARM/HAND went by the right hand of Moses and performed various miracles (signs) in the sight of Egypt and the Nations.

    Exodus 15:4-9

    4
    “Pharaoh’s chariots and his host he cast into the sea,
    and his chosen officers were sunk in the Red Sea.
    5
    The floods covered them;
    they went down into the depths like a stone.
    6
    Your RIGHT HAND , O Lord, glorious in POWER,
    your RIGHT HAND, O Lord, shatters the enemy.
    7
    In the greatness of your MAJESTY you overthrow your adversaries;
    you send out your FURY; it consumes them like stubble.
    8
    At the BLAST OF YOUR NOSTRILS the waters piled up;
    the floods stood up in a heap;
    the deeps congealed in the heart of the sea.
    9
    The enemy said, ‘I will pursue, I will overtake,
    I will divide the spoil, my desire shall have its fill of them.
    I will draw MY SWORD; MY HAND shall destroy them.’

    10
    You blew with your wind; the sea covered them;
    they sank like lead in the mighty waters.

    11
    “Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods?
    Who is like you, majestic in holiness,
    awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?
    12
    You stretched out your RIGHT HAND;
    the earth swallowed them.

    13
    “You have led in your STEADFAST LOVE the people whom you have redeemed;
    you have guided them by your STRENGTH to your holy abode.
    14
    The peoples have heard; they tremble;
    pangs have seized the inhabitants of Philistia.
    15
    Now are the chiefs of Edom dismayed;
    trembling seizes the leaders of Moab;
    all the inhabitants of Canaan have melted away.
    16
    Terror and dread fall upon them;
    because of the greatness of your ARM, they are still as a stone,
    till your people, O Lord, pass by,
    till the people pass by whom you have purchased.
    17
    You will bring them in and plant them on your own mountain,
    the place, O Lord, which you have made for your abode,
    the sanctuary, O Lord, which your hands have established.
    18
    The Lord will reign forever and ever.”

    Now we know that the Blast of His Nostrils/Spirit of the LORD parted the Red Sea (the East Wind) from the above and it was through the Right Hand of Moses/Staff of Moses that this occurs:

    Isaiah 27:8-11
    8
    Measure by measure,[c] by exile you contended with them;
    he removed them with his fierce BREATH in the day of the EAST WIND.

    Isaiah 11:15
    And the Lord will utterly destroy the tongue of the Sea of Egypt, and will wave his HAND over the River with his scorching BREATH , and strike it into seven channels, and he will lead people across in sandals

    Isaiah 49
    The Servant of the Lord

    1 Listen to me, O coastlands,
    and give attention, you peoples from afar.
    The Lord called me from the womb,
    from the body of my mother he named my name.
    2
    He made my mouth like a sharp SWORD;
    in the shadow of his HAND he hid me;
    he made me a polished ARROW;

    4
    “Give attention to me, my people,
    and give ear to me, my nation;
    for a law[a] will go out from me,
    and I will set my justice for a light to the peoples.
    5
    My RIGHTEOUNESS draws near,
    my SALVATION has gone out,
    and my ARMS (Both) will judge the peoples;
    the coastlands hope for me,
    and for MY ARM they wait.
    6
    Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
    and look at the earth beneath;
    for the heavens vanish like smoke,
    the earth will wear out like a garment,
    and they who dwell in it will die in like manner;[b]
    but my SALVATION will be forever,
    and my RIGHTEOUSNESS will never be dismayed.

    7
    “Listen to me, you who know righteousness,
    the people in whose heart is my law;
    fear not the reproach of man,
    nor be dismayed at their revilings.
    8
    For the moth will eat them up like a garment,
    and the worm will eat them like wool;
    but my RIGHTEOUSNESS will be forever,
    and my SALVATION to all generations.”

    9
    Awake, awake, put on strength,
    O ARM OF THE LORD;
    awake, as in days of old,
    the generations of long ago.
    Was it not you who cut Rahab in pieces,
    who pierced the dragon?
    10
    Was it not YOU WHO DRIED UP THE SEA,
    the waters of the great deep,
    who made the depths of the sea a way
    for the redeemed to pass over?
    11
    And the ransomed of the LORD shall return
    and come to Zion with singing;
    everlasting joy shall be upon their heads;
    they shall obtain gladness and joy,
    and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

    Isaiah 52:9-10

    9
    Break forth together into singing,
    you waste places of Jerusalem,
    for the LORD has comforted his people;
    he has redeemed Jerusalem.
    10
    The LORD has bared his HOLY ARM

    Isaiah 62:10-14
    10
    But they rebelled
    and grieved his HOLY SPIRIT;
    therefore he turned to be their enemy,
    and himself fought against them.
    11
    Then he remembered the days of old,
    of Moses and his people.[d]
    Where is he who brought them up out of the sea
    with the shepherds of his flock?
    Where is he who put in the midst of them
    his HOLY SPIRIT,
    12
    who caused his GLORIOUS ARM
    to go at the RIGHT HAND OF MOSES,
    who DIVIDED THE WATERS before them
    to make for himself an everlasting NAME,
    13
    who led them through the depths?
    Like a horse in the desert,
    they did not stumble.
    14
    Like livestock that go down into the valley,
    the SPIRIT OF THE LORD gave them rest.
    So you led your people,
    to make for yourself a glorious NAME.

    Isaiah 66:14
    14
    You shall see, and your heart shall rejoice;
    your bones shall flourish like the grass;
    and the HAND OF THE LORD shall be known to his servants,
    and he shall show his INDIGNATION against his enemies.

    Jeremiah 21:5-6
    5 I myself will fight against you with outstretched HAND and STRONG ARM, in ANGER and in FURY and in great WRATH. 6 And I will strike down the inhabitants of this city, both man and beast. They shall die of a great pestilence.

    Now are the RIGHT HAND and the HAND one and the same?

    Isaiah 48:12-15
    The Lord’s Call to Israel
    12
    “Listen to me, O Jacob,
    and Israel, whom I called!
    I am he; I am the first,
    and I am the last.
    13
    My HAND laid the foundation of the earth,
    and my RIGHT HAND spread out the heavens;
    WHEN I CALL TO THEM,
    THEY STAND FORTH TOGETHER.

    Jeremiah 27:5
    “It is I who by my great POWER and my outstretched ARM have made the earth, with the men and animals that are on the earth, and I give it to whomever it seems right to me.

    Both the Spirit and the Word have the NAME of YHWH (i.e. they are both called the LORD), the WORD is the Right Hand of the LORD (Angel of the LORD) and the SPIRIT is the Hand of the LORD (Angel/Holy One of Israel).

    Isaiah 41:18-20
    18
    I will open rivers on the bare heights,
    and fountains in the midst of the valleys.
    I will make the wilderness a pool of water,
    and the dry land springs of water.
    19
    I will put in the wilderness the cedar,
    the acacia, the myrtle, and the olive.
    I will set in the desert the cypress,
    the plane and the pine together,
    20
    that they may see and know,
    may consider and understand together,
    that the HAND OF THE LORD has done this,
    the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL has created it.

    There is only ONE GOD and the Trinity doctrine has come about by the misrepresentation of the knowledge of the Godhead.

    God acts by the actions of His Hands which are the 2 Messiah (Ben David and Ben Joseph, the Word and the Spirit).

    The Incarnation of the Word of the LORD/Angel of the LORD was Jesus (Yeshua) and the Incarnation of the Spirit of the LORD/Angel of Israel will be Michael.

    Every ASPECT of God whether it is Physical, Emotional, Clothing, Armor represents one of these two angels/men.

    When the Elders of Israel ‘See God’ they are seeing the Hand/Feet of the LORD which is Michael/The Spirit and NOT the Face/Angel of the LORD.

    Michael represents the BLUE/Saphire colour that is part of Aaron’s Robe, the Tabernacle and the Tzit Tzit (Tassels) that is INTERWOVEN into Israel.

    Jesus represents the RED that is part of Aaron’s robe and the Tabernacle.

    The PURPLE is representative of God.

    God is the great unseen and Invisible God, so when a nation or a person ‘Sees God’ they are seeing one of these 2 Hands of God.

    Peace

    before the eyes of all the nations,
    and all the ends of the earth shall SEE
    THE SALVATION OF OUR GOD.

    • Hwey

      So, I think you are saying that the hand of the Lord could either be a person He is using, or the Lord himself?

      • Peace Marianne,

        I am saying that the Hand of the LORD is the Holy One of Israel that is he Redeemer of Israel.

        The Redeemer is the Spirit of the LORD incarnate, that is Archistratege Michael.

        God, the Word and the Spirit all have the name YHWH (the LORD).

        In the scripture the Redeemer is called the LORD:

        Isaiah 41:
        14
        Fear not, you worm Jacob,
        you men of Israel!
        I am the one who helps you, declares the LORD;
        your REDEEMER IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.
        15
        Behold, I make of you a threshing sledge,
        new, sharp, and having teeth;
        you shall thresh the mountains and crush them,
        and you shall make the hills like chaff;
        16
        you shall winnow them, and the wind shall carry them away,
        and the tempest shall scatter them.
        And you shall rejoice in the LORD;
        in the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL you shall glory.
        17
        When the poor and needy seek water,
        and there is none,
        and their tongue is parched with thirst,
        I the LORD will answer them;
        I the God of Israel will not forsake them.
        18
        I will open rivers on the bare heights,
        and fountains in the midst of the valleys.
        I will make the wilderness a pool of water,
        and the dry land springs of water.
        19
        I will put in the wilderness the cedar,
        the acacia, the myrtle, and the olive.
        I will set in the desert the cypress,
        the plane and the pine together,
        20
        that they may see and know,
        may consider and understand together,
        that the HAND OF THE LORD has done this,
        the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL has created it.

        There is a common misunderstanding that the Holy One of Israel is God but the scripture indicates otherwise:

        Isaiah 45:11
        Thus says the LORD, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL, AND THE ONE WHO FORMED HIM: “Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands?

        This passage would show you that 2 entities are talked about, YHWH the Holy One of Israel AND YHWH(God) the Creator of the Holy one of Israel.

        The name of the redeemer being Special is not an unknown fact:

        Isaiah 9English Standard Version (ESV)
        For to Us a Child Is Born

        9 [a] But there will be no gloom for her who was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the latter time he has made glorious the way of the sea, the land beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.[b]

        2
        [c] The people who walked in darkness
        have seen a great light;
        those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness,
        on them has light shone.
        3
        You have multiplied the nation;
        you have increased its joy;
        they rejoice before you
        as with joy at the harvest,
        as they are glad when they divide the spoil.
        4
        For the yoke of his burden,
        and the staff for his shoulder,
        the rod of his oppressor,
        you have broken as on the day of Midian.
        5
        For every boot of the tramping warrior in battle tumult
        and every garment rolled in blood
        will be burned as fuel for the fire.
        6
        For to us a child is born,
        to us a son is given;
        and the government shall be upon[d] his shoulder,
        and his NAME SHALL BE CALLED
        Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD,
        EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace.
        7
        Of the increase of his government and of peace
        there will be no end,
        on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
        to establish it and to uphold it
        with justice and with righteousness
        from this time forth and forevermore.
        The ZEAL OF THE LORD OF HOSTS will do this.

        The zeal of the LORD is connected to the Hand of the LORD which is connected to the Spirit of the LORD (in my previous post)

        Peace

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