Subway – Dream 7


Group directed through subway tunnel to a “football field.”

I am in a medium to large sized building where various people gather.

Lights are on, or it is bright daylight, with lights coming through windows. However, I do not notice the windows.

People are herded out of the building to a tunnel below, which looks like a subway tunnel.

I noticed that some of the women had headscarves on, so there may be some Muslim women, or other ethnic groups like them, in the crowd.

People seem to have coats on.

They are walking as an organized group toward an area they are told is a football field.

I am observing them, and not in the group.

I think to myself, there is no football field under the ground, so I’m not joining them.

I go back to the building and try to figure out how and where to hide before the soldiers come.

I look at closets, boxes to hide in, etc., although the best idea would be to leave the building completely, if I am able.



What US cities have subways?


Philadelphia, New York, Buffalo, Chicago, Boston, Washington D.C, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Baltimore, Atlanta, Cleveland, San Francisco, San Juan, Newark

From what I can research, at least some subways in these cities will bring people to stadiums for games, if there is a stadium in the city.


The quickest way to Lincoln Financial Field is south along the SEPTA Broad Street Subway Line. Exit at the last southbound stop, Pattison Avenue.

So in the dream, I may have been wrong about the football stadium not being a destination.

I am not from a city like that, so I am not familiar with subways and stadiums.

But, I still feel uncomfortable about being herded in that direction.

The crowd reminded me of a scene out of world war 2.

Also, it seemed to be cooler weather, since people were wearing coats, and it was possibly football season.

Or, it could be past football season, but still cool weather.

92 Responses to “Subway – Dream 7”

  1. dream on september 28, 2013

  2. Would the dream mean you are in Christianity and have much light from the doctrines and from God.. Hence the lights either coming from the building or from sunlight through windows…
    but you know these Christians with you are being herded into the dark pit of Islam, hence the women with the headscarves….You know these are promised a life exciting like attending a football game.. but you know it is a facade…You return to the empty building to hide…
    Just a Theory…

    I too had a dream in 1980, though I was fully awake so it must have been a vision…I knew nothing about Islam…I had never seen a mosque …we , near Toledo, Ohio passed a religious looking building…I saw inside the building a man like figure who was composed of black air..I knew it was satan… I also knew he was waiting planning and plotting…I asked my husband what kind of church it was..He told me it was a mosque…
    Years later is was easy for me to understand that
    Islam was indeed synagogue of satan of Rev. 3-9,10…and that God had dubbed it synagogue because satan was claiming he is the God of Abraham that is worshipped in a synagogue..

  3. Terrible reports of torture of people who were held hostage in the Kenyan mall.

  4. Another thing about your dream, you notice the people have coats on as they are leaving the building,..Perhaps this means they are no long clothed with God’s spirit but are clothed with another entity.. As for the crowd being herded into the football facade reminding you of world war 2 ..It is because you know they are being led to their death.. Actually to the second death the Bible speaks of..Islam is the second death…Being led underground also indicates they are being led to death and hell..

    Seeking a place to hide might indicate seeking a place to hide in the Lord…. But you know it is a battle against Christianity so you will not be safe in the building..
    Fearing soldiers coming shows you believe your country will be ruled by Islam and soldiers will force people to follow the way of Islam

    Again I say, just theories… I have, with the help of the Lord ,analyzed many of my own dreams so maybe I have helped in some way…

  5. terrible reports of people tortured in Kenyan mall hostage attack.

    I have heard elites want to pit Christians and God-fearing Jews and Muslims against one another, so that they will decimate each other, and then elites will take over. I fear this is true. We approach a holocaust caused by a wicked cabal that has no use for God.

  6. Mariel.. This battle is between God and satan.. Satan has declared himself the God of Abraham and he is leading the people to hell via Islam and God doesn’t like it and is revealing the truth to his people….Muslims are killing Christiains to silence the truth about Islam.. Islam is satan’s kingdom…

  7. I went to Matthew 24, because it sounds like end time preparation. Verse 4 be careful that no one misleads you, – There are many attractions that misleads people to all kinds of entertainments. They are walking on obliviously. (you went away from the “wide road”) 5. many will come in my name and lead many astray (hence muslim scarves), the confusion of all these one world religions. 10. …begin to distrust and desert (Him) and will stumble and fall away, and betray one another (another reason for going away, hiding. Verse 18. let him who is in the field not turn back to get his overcoat; 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.
    I believe these are the reasons for the coats.
    We read the Bible and we pray, but many times we are fast asleep amidst our own theories. Oh Lord wash us whiter as snow for Your coming and sanctify us. Wake us up Lord

    • Hester,
      The abomination of desolation is what now stands on the temple mount where Satan claims to be God. It will stand there until the end that is determined will be poured out on him. The Mosque has been standing on the temple mount for 1260 years between 688 AD and 1948, and it will continue to stand there until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled.
      The event you described is in Matthew 24:15-23
      When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (the woman fled into the wilderness of the world for 1260 years and have now returned as of 1948) 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. (Battle of Tours) 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, (Allah) and false prophets (Mohammid) …

      This happened in the middle of an overarching all encompassing final 7. He will come in peace but then in the middle of the 7 he will break his promise. The prophecy started during Daniel’s lifetime about 600 BC, in the middle of the prophecy the temple mount was taken over and the mosque was erected about 600 AD, and now this is the generation, the end of the prophecy, when all things will have been fulfilled.

      They have tried to put Allah’s mark of submission on everyone, that has been their practice, but they will not succeed. Jesus is coming.

      • 1260 years is over with… is now 2013

        so the 1260 does not apply to the mosque

        • Marianne,
          Except that it says in Rev. 12:6 The woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness (of the world), where she hath a place prepared of God that they should feed her there 1260 days (years, to be consistent with the 70 weeks of years of Daniel) That’s from 688 AD to 1948.
          Rev. 12:16 and the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 and the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

          Daniel 9:27 says he (Satan) will confirm a covenant with many for one week. That is the all encompassing week that is missing from the prophecy from the 70 weeks. It starts with a peace treaty 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to RESTORE and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince…(He comes in peace with a commandment to rebuild Jerusalem.)

          Satan breaks his covenant in the middle of the week:
          Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifices shall be taken away (In Daniel’s lifetime, during the Babylonian captivity) and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1290 days.
          583 BC to 688 AD. (convert 1290 to solar years so it reads in 365 day years by multiplying by 98.57)
          Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1335 days. (That’s the Battle of Tours when Islam was stopped from spreading through Europe)

          583 BC to 688 AD to 1948 the woman is restored back to their own land.

          The gentiles occupy “Jerusalem” until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled, 42 months of years. (no conversion since this is not written by Daniel but John) 688 AD 42 months of years later is 1967.

          70 weeks have been accomplished. We are the generation that will have seen all things fulfilled.

      • Dan 9:27
        And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
        Dan 11:31
        And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
        Dan 12:11
        And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
        So how did the erection of the mosque end the daily sacrifice? It was ended in 33AD by Jesus himself (9:27) This verse does not refer to a future Antichrist but to Jesus.
        If the abomination was the erecting of the temple, then it was not an end-time event. Yet Matthew IS referring to the tribulation so the mosque doesn’t fit.
        Also, Allah is not a false Jesus. The Koran mentions Jesus as a prophet, separate from Allah, and you will not find a single Muslim to back up your hypothesis. Plus how could Allah (who does not exist) come to earth and claim to be Jesus? No Muslim would ever claim to be Jesus because that would be heresy and they would lose their head.
        And the woman is not the Jewish church but Christianity – the true church. By rejecting Jesus Judaism is no longer God’s true church. It was the apostolic Christians who fled the persecution of the Holy Roman Empire for 1260 years. The Jews were no where near Israel when the mosque was put up, so they did not flee and you know they will never abandon Israel.
        As for your timing of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy, you are stretching it out to 2500 years instead of the 495 specified by God to Daniel. When God gives a time frame, He’s not kidding around or estimating. 70 weeks is exactly 70 weeks and 1260 years is exactly 1260 years. What, you don’t believe God can get the times correct?
        Go back to the bible and do some more research. You can’t take excerpts from scripture and develop a viable theory. Take God at His word and you may soon discover the truth.

        • James
          You say no muslim would ever claim to be Jesus.

          I say bahullah was a muslim and said he is the returning Jesus!

          • Bahullah was the founder of the Bahá’í religion. That is not the same as a Muslim claiming to be Jesus in the end times. That’s not going to happen. Radical Islam would behead such an infidel immediately.
            As for your comment below, you confirm my point that Jesus ended the daily sacrifice after teaching for half a week – 3-1/2 years at which time his 7-year ministry was cut off, just as Daniel predicted. So why do so many people move this seven years to the future and claim it will be the reign of the Antichrist?
            The 70 weeks is over… on time and under budget.
            Get it?

            • James
              I don´t care about satans religion but seven Days adventist said Jesus would return 1844 and Bahullah said it was him Before that he was a muslim. I will not look up if this is true but this is my knowledge about this. I don´t want to read about satan work.

        • James
          You say It was ended in 33AD by Jesus himself (9:27

          I say a half week is 3,5 years. Jesus ended the daily sacrifice forever!

        • Hi James,

          I do appreciate your level headedness, for example dreams, etc.
          I’m going to try to explain your Bible verses. The parentheses are mine.

          Dan 9:27
          And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: (this is an all encompassing 7 that starts during Daniel’s lifetime and ends in 1967 making us the last generation)

          and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (he comes first in peace then leaves it desolate without hope of every being able to make sacrifices again in 688 AD),

          and for the overspreading of abominations (NIV on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination) he shall make it desolate,(hopeless) even until the consummation (the end of the prophecy), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (the Jews).

          Dan 11:31
          And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (the Muslim armies polluted the temple mount making sacrifices impossible, and they built the Dome of the Rock at which time they fled as all hope was lost as per Matthew 24:15-22, Luke 21:20-24)

          Dan 12:11
          And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (Daniel lived through the time when the Babylonians came, taking away the daily sacrifices during his lifetime, 583 BC)

          So how did the erection of the mosque end the daily sacrifice? It was ended in 33AD by Jesus himself (9:27) This verse does not refer to a future Antichrist but to Jesus. (When they polluted the temple mount with the Mosque any hope of restoring the sacrifices was made desolate, it appeared they were left without hope. They fled into the wilderness and didn’t come back until 1948)

          If the abomination was the erecting of the temple, then it was not an end-time event. Yet Matthew IS referring to the tribulation so the mosque doesn’t fit. (Matthew 24 is answering the question when and what will be the sign of your coming. Jesus began by telling them there will be wars, rumors of wars, famines and earthquakes, but don’t worry THE END IS NOT YET. He also said there would be false Christs, and there would be many of those. He described when the abomination of desolation came, because it was an important marker in history. He made it clear his coming is not until we see the signs in the heavens, sun, moon, and stars, that our redemption draws near, and all the nations will mourn. We are that generation that will see all these things fulfilled. The fig tree has budded.)

          Also, Allah is not a false Jesus. The Koran mentions Jesus as a prophet, separate from Allah, and you will not find a single Muslim to back up your hypothesis. (According to Muslims Jesus will come back and admit he didn’t die on the cross, and he will help the Mahdi kill all the Christians and the Jews)

          Plus how could Allah, who does not exist, come to earth and claim to be Jesus? No Muslim would ever claim to be Jesus because that would be heresy and they would lose their head. (Because Allah is the spirit of antichrist that already stands on the holy place claiming to be God, blaspheming Jesus by saying Allah has no Son. That exact message is written all over the walls, and defies anyone to enter who says that Jesus is the Son of God. Who is antichrist but he that denies the Son.)

          And the woman is not the Jewish church but Christianity – the true church. By rejecting Jesus Judaism is no longer God’s true church. It was the apostolic Christians who fled the persecution of the Holy Roman Empire for 1260 years. The Jews were no where near Israel when the mosque was put up, so they did not flee and you know they will never abandon Israel. (Yes, everyone fled that could. Many ended up in Spain, in Russia, in France, in Germany, if they were blessed enough to make it alive. See Matthew 24:15-22)

          As for your timing of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy, you are stretching it out to 2500 years instead of the 495 specified by God to Daniel. When God gives a time frame, He’s not kidding around or estimating. 70 weeks is exactly 70 weeks and 1260 years is exactly 1260 years. What, you don’t believe God can get the times correct? (It does not say weeks. It says 7. Seven is God’s number of perfection, completeness. The final 7 is an all encompassing 7, and history has proved it now that knowledge has increased, namely 1948 and 1967. Now the question becomes what is so important about 2014 and 2015 that he would be showing signs in the heavens that were repeated in 1948 and 1967? Would you like to show me where the Bible says there’s a gap? 1260 years is 1260 years, yes, even though it says 1260 days. 1260 + 1260 = 2520 years.)
          Go back to the bible and do some more research. You can’t take excerpts from scripture and develop a viable theory. Take God at His word and you may soon discover the truth.
          (Shall I then say that Jesus returned in a literal 69 weeks. History tells us otherwise.)

          • Chris,
            You say that the last week (7 years) started during Daniel’s lifetime (~550 BC) and continues till the future. That’s a LONG 7 years.
            Then you claim that 688 AD is the middle of the week when the daily sacrifice was ended (it ended WAY before that) and the Jews fled Jerusalem (They did that in 70 AD except it was not the Jews that fled but the Christians. The Jews did not study the words of Jesus so they stayed and were slaughtered.
            So lets’s do some math…
            550 BC to 2020 AD (Near future ) is 2,570 years. So half of that is 1285 years. Add that to 550BC and you get to 735AD. It seems God is not too good at math.
            And Mat24 can’t be talking about the mosque or else the description is 1400 years out of order. 699 is not and end-time date.
            And where did you read that Allah is the spirit of the Antichrist? And what Antichrist? John says there are many Antichrists. And the Antichrist stands now in the holy place? So is the mosque the Antichrist?
            As for Jesus coming after 60 weeks, that is true. If you do the math from the time Daniel’s prophecy begins (the command to rebuild the temple under Cyrus) you come to 29AD- the year Christs 7-years ministry began at his baptism (anointing). The halfway thru he was cut off and the rest of the 7 years completed without Him. History proves this is the case, or at least the New Testament does.
            And you seem to be trying to make a point by adding 1260 years to itself and somehow get to 2014. But 70 weeks is only 495 years. The 1260 years is a completely different prophecy. And there is no reason to double it.
            As a former logic designer and engineer, I find it necessary to make all the parts fit together properly or else whatever you’re trying to build will not work. And so your whole concept doesn’t work. Sure it SOUNDS good, but when you take a closer look it has more holes in it than a printed circuit board.
            If it had fit, I would have considered it, but I don’t like swiss cheese.

            • James ,
              Numbers have meaning. A seven means heavenly perfection.
              The number seven had special meaning to the Hebrews. Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
              When God finishes this final and complete seven we are going to have peace for 1000 years.

              As far as my math goes, it takes too long to explain it in a paragraph so I’ll leave a website for you again. The math is impeccable.

              How do I know Allah is the antichrist? Precept upon precept.
              Nebuchadnezzar’s dream Daniel 2 through Mystery Babylon Revelation 17.

              James, just watch the news and you’ll put the pieces together eventually. The witnesses have already witnessed, the woman has already fled and returned, the antichrist is already claiming to be God from the Holy Place, and we are the generation that will see all these things fulfilled. Luke 21:25-28 concludes with look up, lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

              • I was born on the 7th of the month…so I guess I am heavenly perfect. 🙂

              • Chris,
                I’ve read the timeline article years ago and it may have been God’s plan all right. But Allah is not a part of it. The Antichrist can’t be a mosque, or a false God. In fact there will not even be an Antichrist, only a beast kingdom and its leader the False Prophet.
                As for the two witnesses that shoot fire out of their mouths and withhold rain from entire countries, I seem to have missed them in the news. Maybe you can direct me to some articles about them. And since Christ returns just after their resurrection (seems that hat would have made the news, eh?) you timing seems to be off again.
                And the woman is not a nation (Israel) or the Jews, in prophecy a woman represents a church, either true or apostate, and the true church are Christians who obey the commandments (see Revelation) including keeping the true 7th day Sabbath. It is these people who were persecuted and hunted down during the 1260 years of the Holy Roman Empire, the first beast of Revelation.
                Your theory uses too much imagination and fudging and throws the wrath of God onto another religion. When has God ever persecuted any religion other than His own people who have failed Him?
                Right now, we are in a modern-day Babylon and just as Jeremiah warned the Jews, God has warned us with prophecy that the new Babylon is going to be destroyed when Christ returns. He will deal with all the other religions later, during the millennium. He’s not going to wipe out a billion Muslims just because they were fooled into believing in a false god. He would have to take out most of the planet If that was his plan.
                We need to get right with God (us Christians) before it is too late. Stop thinking we will be saved by a rapture or that we are not the target of His wrath. The whole (Christian) world will follow the beast, and the beast is Christian, big time. (That’s why we will all be fooled).
                I don’t know just what you are expecting during the tribulation but I have a feeling it will unfold in a manner that will take many or most Christians by surprise.

                • This is my take on the two witnesses. I’ve given it a lot of thought, but I could still be wrong…

                • james
                  you say the woman represent the Church. You say this because you miss holy spirit since you left Jesus Church.
                  The woman is virgin Mary that comes back to life trough rebirth.

                  You say Christ is not going to wipe out billions of muslims. You say this because you don’t understand the bible.

                  I say read Matt 13:36-42 for one of many ex that Jesus will wipe out muslims and Usa.

                  • Adam,
                    So Mary will be resurrected as a baby? When is this supposed to happen? And how will she prove who she is and not just some nut job? So do you think all the dead that are resurrected at the second coming will come back as babies? And you claim Jesus was reborn this way too don’t you? This is just silly nonsense. That is reincarnation and is never taught in the bible. You are using pagan ideas to interpret scripture. But then the Catholic church is full of paganism, so I’m not surprised. In a way you’re kind of proving my point, so keep talking.

                    • James
                      I Think I don´t express myself good or you don´t want to understand what I say. So let me explain Rev. chap. 12. First 4 verses and the first halv of the fifth verse it is about virgin Mary having a child and this child is Jesus and this event is speaking of a future event from it was written year 90 and this prophecy was fullfilled about 40 years ago. After Jesus holds the doom from Rom which is desribed as Rome in the Bible. He will be picked up to God to Nibiru then the rest of verse 5 will be fullfilled.V.Mary can not follow him to Nibiru because she is a muslim and tried to convert her son to islam so he doesn´t take care of here but God will send here to wilderness and protects her. Then verse 6 will be fullfilled. When Jesus is on Nibiru he will fight with his friends from earth with satan and his angels and then verse 7 will be fullfilled. Satan wil be beaten and dropped down to earth and satan will persecute people who belongs to God on earth but satan and his angels are not allowed to touch the Oil and wine (Jews and Syriacs/Aramaics). Then verses to 12 will be fullfilled.
                      Later satan will persecute Virign Mary ( she is not virigin in this Life) the verses 13 – 16 will be fullfilled. Virign Mary is mother to Christians on earth and satan will persecute them and then verse 17 will be fullfilled.

                      This is Rev 12 from a dude who belongs to the right Church.
                      As I have told you Before. Rev. is about Jesus Dreams and Everything will not be fullfilled.

                      Protestatants = Apostate
                      USA = Babylon = Jeremia 51 = burn up soon

                      Soon you are smooked man!

                    • Rome described as Jerusalem. Pardon my misstake!

              • Allah is not the Antichrist. The Antichrist is in the USA right now but hasn’t been revealed …yet. And he’s not B O.

  8. Have you ever seen the youtube video of a Muslim woman hunched over in her burka being executed by a man with a rifle in the middle of a sports field with everyone watching?

    The people in coats remind me of the pictures of the Jews in Germany being herded onto a train in WW II, or the immigrants coming to America in their coats and scarves.

  9. I would suggest M, God is warning us Christians of perilous times ahead.
    Islam is the religion of Satan, it’s number is 666. It hates the Jew first and the Christian second. That is why there are posters in Palestine which proclaim, we will kill the Jews on a Saturday and kill the Christians on a Sunday. Liberals love Islam for the simple reason Islam hates and kills Christians. Liberals hate Christians because of the 10 Commandments and the Bible which says Jesus is the only way to heaven. Liberals want lawlessness so they can carry out their immorality and sin nature. The abomination of desolation is Satan, whose spirit will come into the antichrist world leader when he is slain, he will arise with the spirit of Satan as an imitation of what happen to Jesus and will deceive many.
    All religion is of the devil, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian Science, New Age etc because they all reject the Jesus of the Bible as the only way of salvation.
    Learn a lesson from the terrorist attack in the mall in Kenya. Islam seeks the soft targets where either Jews or Christians abound, do not bow to Islam in knowing that religion for life’s sake for you will lose eternal life in doing so. The liberal left BBC called the terrorists ‘militants’.
    Liberals will always make excuses for liberation groups or Islamic terrorists.
    In Pakistan the Islamist’s attacked a Christian church and killed over 80 but then God revealed Himself and within a few days a number of earth quakes in Pakistan, that is God’s warning to Pakistan and Islam.
    We have coming up the Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 war where Israel will destroy most of her neighbouring countries then will follow the Ezekiel 38 war or WW III where God will destroy most of Islam in the Middle East.
    Know that God is in charge and that what ever happens it is for the good of God’s will. Trust deeply in God and have a deep faith for tribulation is coming and Satan knows his time is running out so he will use his minnons to cause death and destruction. God bless you all.

  10. I had no idea this was going on at the time of the dream…….I just found this out…..the subway system was affected in NYC

  11. Thank you all of you for teaching me. This site has become “my church” since I don’t know anymore what to believe of pastors and church leaders, but I hold on to my Word which God is lately speaking to me very emphatically.
    I had a very painful and vivid experience a short while ago. And I humbly extend a warning to all who are in Christ. While we are fixed with our eyes on Islam and Mohamadism there is a wide world out there through the New Agers and others who study many things and as a result have turned themselves into gods. I have heard with my own ears them professing jesus (false Christ), with a Buddha and a statue of Mary and Dreamcatchers and African/voodo amulets in their arms. They do not walk without them. I was fooled on first encounter with a confession of the love of jesus (small capital on purpose) – until I started to feel the emergence of demons. I am persecuted daily for my faith – but I confess as many other
    believers do – that my salvation is through Jesus Christ our Lord, Emmanuel.
    Is there still time to move the families out of the cities?

  12. To Hester et al:
    If I were you I wouldn’t put much credence into this dream scenario. Unless an angel appears to someone and gives them the word of God in person I wouldn’t turn a simple dream into some sort of prophecy. People all over the world have strange dreams every night and just because someone is a Christian doesn’t mean that every weird dream is straight from God. Jesus warned us about false prophets so it pays to be skeptical and not simply believe everything you read.
    I read people on this blog who earnestly attempt to explain this dream as if it had some real meaning – the very word of God. Do you really think that God wants His people to waste their time studying such nonsense and believing it is His doing? And what is the point? God has given us all the prophecy we need to prepare for the future. It’s in the bible for all to read. Why would he want to get any more information to a few people on a blog page and withhold it from the rest of the world?
    Sure it might be fun to try to find meaning from dreams, but in the end it is all futile. So there is really no point in doing so. And even worse, we can look back to Jeremiah who warned God’s people about such practices and we all know hat happened to them. We all claim we are in times “as the time of Noah” with all sorts of pagan practices abounding, and soothsaying is one of them. So interpret at your own risk.
    Sometimes a dream is just a dream…

    • james

      very true….but it also matches other dreams I have had.

      and take them the way you want.

      in this case, it turns out that the NYC subway system really did shut down, and people really ended up on foot….

      I found this out later.

      what makes me wonder now is how long will the power be down, and will this happen in other cities?

    • James,

      I don’t personally get dreams from God but my husband does and he dreams “on his own” as well. He can definitely tell if it’s a dream from God or one of his own mind. When he wakes up, he KNOWS if it’s from God. He doesn’t happened to get prophetic/future dreams but usually information/guidance to help him deal with a matter at hand. And by the way, God does still give prophesy. Not doctrine changing prophesy, but prophecy nonetheless. And James, don’t be one of the ones “having a form of godliness but denying the power” OK? God is big and as long as people aren’t claiming extra-biblical or bible-contradictory words or dreams just watch and see what God might be doing. Don’t squelch the Spirit or you won’t keep hearing what God is trying to say.

      • There are millions of people (and almost every preacher and TV evangelist) who claim to talk to God, and maybe they do. I can’t be proven so you simply have to believe what they say. Of course you believe your husband, but I don’t. But then I require some sort of proof. It is a question of reasonable doubt. I can either believe everybody or nobody. But to put my faith in the dreams of strangers is crazy. And despite what many people think, I’m not crazy.
        Or at least not THAT crazy!

        • james

          getting proof that a dream is from god can be subjective and private, and may not stand up to scrutiny from skeptics.

          for example, I or you could dream about something in our private lives that only god could understand and reveal to us. no one else will understand the issue except us.

          however, if it is of such a magnitude that it affects others in society, then proof should be there. for example, someone has predicted a 9.7 earthquake for California. for oct 3rd.

          if this happens, then it is true, if it does not happen, then it is false.

          • I live 18 miles from the San Andreas fault. We all know the “big one” is overdue. I think it will happen during the tribulation so I’m not worried about it.
            According to the source; According to these sources, the Golden Gate Bridge will be broken in half by the tsunami. The remains of the bridge will be moved into a vertical position. The San Francisco valley will be flooded with water.
            Now I know this is bogus. The San Andreas fault is a strike-slip fault – it moves sideways, not vertically and the fault is 50 miles inland so there will not be any tsunami, especially not one large enough to damage the Golden Gate bridge. Plus the “big one” will occur in southern CA, not northern.
            Well I guess I’ll find to in a few days.
            I’ll let you know if I’m still alive.

          • Mmm. I also tend to be skeptical of dreams and visions, but I read a convincing argument for them recently in a kindle ebook… if anyone wants to look into it, the book is “Surprised by the Voice of God by Jack Deere. It’s an interesting read. Google it if you’re interested. But even after reading it I still prefer to treat this type of info. with a maybe /maybe not approach.

        • James, there is a man who discusses televangelists, his website is …the reason I believe my husband is he acts more like Jesus with the direction of these dreams and what action the dream produces brings us closer together as a family, closer to Christ, brings more unity and peace. A televangelists’ dreams usually bring him more money? Look for the signs of spiritual growth, learn to discern and MOST of all, don’t take my word for it. Ask God if He still speaks to people, still gives dreams and prophecy. He will show you.

    • James
      For the first time I agree with you. People who think their dreams means something should read Zechariah 13 over and over again. If people refer to Joel 2:28 it is about the disciples and the apostles.

  13. Jesus Christ Our Lord Is True

  14. Acts 2: 17.

    I have to agree almost 100% with James here on the above subject. However, I am concerned that those with the Holy Spirit, or those who are truly filled by the Holy Spirit may very well have end times dreams about what is unfolding. Even though I know G-d has given us the written word.

    If Marianne feels like she is having G-d given dreams, I put that higher on the truth meter than say some moon god worshiper dropping in. Plus, I listened to a devout man who is worried about his handicap 12 year old son saying things about October 2013.

    I am not scared, and I wonder if it is truly from the Holy Spirit, but I am worried it is, and it appears consistent with Marianne’s dreams.

    G-d gave us a brain. Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best. Plus, find peace in G-d’s love.

    James, I found your last few postings with the tone of love, or caring for those you were writing to. I was impressed. Have you turned a corner, or are you just in a good mood?


    • While you might not be able to tell by my writing style, I always write out of love. If I didn’t love all my brothers and sisters why should I try to lead them to the truth? When I see people falling into paganism without realizing it I try to warn them. I use a fire and brimstone approach because it is better for them to get mad at me or even hate me as long as when the time comes they remember what I’ve said.
      I could claim the Holy Spirit has guided me to do this (because I believe it myself) but I know since I can’t prove it I should just keep it to myself. I’m not sure God wants everyone running around claiming He talks to them, except for bible prophets of course.
      So mum’s the word…

  15. nicetimingcom (from a skinny column above)
    According to the link, the 2 witnesses have not yet come, by you said they have come and gone, so I don’t understand your point. I do agree that the 2 witnesses may not be resurrected Old Testament prophets but just a couple of modern day dudes that God calls for His purpose. But I do believe they will be actual people. And they will preach for 3-1/3 years in Jerusalem then be killed and then resurrected just before the Second Coming. Just as the bible says. No need to morph it into something else. 2 means 2, not thousands.
    So what do you really believe?
    I’m confused.

    • I’m not dogmatic one way or the other James. Sure, 2 means 2, but it can also be symbolic. As you said somewhere up this page, the woman is the church… that means you agree the woman is symbolic, so why can’t 2 be symbolic?
      I could have replied to you that a woman is a woman, end of story, but it’s not always that cut and dried.
      In a nutshell, I believe the 2 represent the old and new testament message being delivered BY PEOPLE at the end of this age, perhaps literally two people, OR perhaps a group of people, as explained at length in my link.
      Usually James, I enjoy your down to earth comments, by the way.

      • I think it is possible that the 2 witnesses could be either 2 groups, or 2 individuals.

        whoever they are, they have to “fit” in the streets of Jerusalem to preach

        • Marianne
          Listen to the true Church. We say the 2 witnesses is Jesus and John the baptist. And by the way there is two cities spiritialy now with the name Jerusalem. The second is Rome.

          • Assertio, One of the 2 witnesses cannot be Jesus because Revelation 11:8 says
            ‘And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified’ If one of the 2 witnesses were Jesus, how can one of them ALSO be THEIR Lord?
            In other words, if Jesus is Lord to both of them, then he cannot also be one of them!

            • Nicetiming
              First time Yeshua was crucified it was the father God who was crucified because the father was in Yeshua. If Yeshua would be crucified a second time according to Rev. 11 it will be himself who would be the crucified one.

        • Marianne, can you explain what you mean by ‘fit’ in the streets of Jerusalem?

          Compare Revelation 11:8
          ‘And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified’
          with Hebrews 13:12
          ‘Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate’…

          therefore I think it’s not really known if they prophecy in the streets of Jerusalem, or OUTSIDE of Jerusalem – ie. In the rest of the world.

          If it actually is in Jerusalem, I still wonder if it’s talking about the physical city or is it speaking about the “mother of us all” (Galatians 4:26) which is the church? (which is still located throughout the rest of the whole world).

          • it meant 2 people could fit in the streets as they do not take up much space……..but an entire crowd of people would be so massive that they would not be able to “fit” into the small dimensnions of the streets

  16. PS, also, as I said in my link ( ) I doubt that symbolic Sodom and Egypt is Jerusalem, it’s more likely to be NOT Jerusalem.

    • No, it is definitely in whatever city the Lord Jesus was crucified in. When you figure that out, you will have the correct location.
      And when the bible specifies a time (1260 days/years etc.) or a quantity, it means it. Show us in the bible where the number two means “many” or an unspecified number etc, Otherwise Jesus might have been in the tomb for weeks or years or Jonah might have been in the fish for months.
      As far as I’m concerned, If God specifies a number (as in Daniel many times) He means that number. If a theory has to resort to such an extreme interpretation to make sense, I will always be skeptical of such a theory. As an engineer, when I read a schematic that says a part needs 5 volts to run, I don’t assume that 12 volts or 120 volts would be OK to use too. I did that last week and burnt up a really nice digital thermometer.
      I think your theory is about to burn up as well. 🙂

      • You may be right, but if you are killed OUTSIDE a city, as Jesus was, then you are not INSIDE the city… I’m just saying.

        Two can be many if they are 2 groups. In Revelation 1:20, there are 7 groups (churches) which include the last two: the Philadelphia candlestick and the Laodicea candlestick. Now it says in Rev 11:4 that the 2 witnesses are 2 candlesticks. They could easily be the two last GROUPS of people in the churches, don’t you think?

        • Now, in the end times, the place where Jesus was crucified IS within the city of Jerusalem so that is where we should expect to find them.
          Do you expect thousands of people all over the world to become witnesses? And how will the beast power kill them all at once? And thousands of bodies laying in the streets come to life after 3-1/2 days? What’s the point? God doesn’t need more than two witnesses to prove they are sent and protected by God. Anything more is showboating and overkill. And it opens up the possibility for Satan to infiltrate the group and fill it with false prophets thus confusing even the very elect.
          But let me ask you this, If you see two men in Jerusalem prophesying will you refuse to believe they are the two and wait around for lots more? There are already many people around the world who are prophesying (like Jack Van Impe who wrote the screenplay for the “Left Behind” movies) so how will we know when the 3-1/2 years are beginning? Personally I’m waiting for two people to show up in Jerusalem wearing sackcloth, just as God says. I just don’t think He’s trying to trick us by making the bible a job for Sherlock Holmes.
          Just sayin’

          • “Just sayin” … Ha ha, James, I really love your humour.

            Look, I won’t argue it any more because you MAY be right. I’m just putting an alternate viewpoint out there, although it’s not as silly as you make out, and look below, DJ likes it!

            • Well, time will tell Who’s right but in reality it is not a critical point like the mark of the beast, but If it ends in the 7th trump and the Second Coming, then the timing is critical. Once they appear, we will know when Christ will return – 3-1/2 years later on the feast of trumpets.
              Also remember, the witnesses will appear on Passover in order to die on the Feast of Trumpets 3-1/2 years later. That will be a big tip-off as to their genuinicity. So then those in the know will know the day, (but not the hour), of Christ‘s return.
              But I just can’t imagine thousands of prophets popping up suddenly all over the world – it would be way too confusing, but If it happens I’ll be somewhat skeptical but I would look into it closely.
              So now, let‘s wait…

        • nicetiming,

          Thank you for sharing your thoughts and search of Scriptures regarding “the 2 witnesses”.

          This has been on my mind for the past several months and what you posted helps me a great deal. If it is two old gray bearded men in sackcloth are walking those streets – I’m moving to Jerusalem and listening to them preach.

          Sackcloth is reserved for those who humble themselves before The Lord. These are humble servants of the Lord.

          “Put on sackcloth and lament, O priests; wail, O ministers of the altar. Go in, pass the night in sackcloth, O ministers of my God!

          Because grain offering and drink offering are withheld from the house of your God. Consecrate a fast; call a solemn assembly. Gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land to the house of the Lord your God, and cry out to the Lord.

          Alas for the day! For the day of the Lord is near, and as destruction from the Almighty it comes. Is not the food cut off before our eyes, joy and gladness from the house of our God?” (Joel 1:13-16, ESV).

          These streets for the 2 witnesses – streets of Jerusalem seem to be spiritual (symbolic) not physical (literal) just a you referenced – “the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified” (Rev. 11:8).

          Also, Jesus spoke of Jerusalem within two verses in Luke.

          “Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!” (Luke 13:33-34).

          Within a few lines He speaks of the same Jerusalem.

          Jesus, during His ministry, was a prophet too – yet He says, “for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside Jerusalem.”

          Then, He he speaks of the people in Jerusalem – gathering it (Jerusalem) unto Him?

          He is gathering just those within the city (literal)? No.

          You suggest Jerusalem is the church (Galatians 4:26). Maybe? I think so.

          If the streets of Jerusalem represent the highways and byways where the church (aka Believers – Hebrew and Gentiles) live, then the message from the witnesses is to the Church, preparing them for His soon return. Their message is rejected by the unbelievers, idolaters and the like. So, the witnesses call down all kinds of judgements (not only in the streets of Jerusalem or Samaria but throughout all the world).

          You point out the two lamp stands as possibly the 2 witnesses (light). This could be true, “Philadelphia candlestick and the Laodicea candlestick”. That is very cool.

          The verse read “these are my two olive trees and two lamp stands” (Rev. 11:4).

          I am thinking the 2 witnesses (Jesus sent the 70 followers/disciples out in groups of 2), are apostles/evangelists (both Believing Hebrews – olive tree and believing Church – those 2 lamp stands), preaching throughout the world.

          Again, the Scriptures are written so that one must search them to find the solution to parables and such language.

          Here is a classic example. Jesus said, “you must be born again” for a reason to Nicodemus (a smart student of Scriptures) who did not understand (da?) the message.

          Thank you for sharing what you found! It is a blessing to me but maybe not to James (“Hello, I must be going”).

          Blessings to all!
          Psalm 23

  17. Hey Adam (from above)
    Just when I thought you could not get any crazier, you prove me wrong.
    Mary can’t go to Nibiru because she’s Muslim? Really? The mother of God is Muslim? Where do you get this stuff? You should be on YouTube because you’re an idiot! (I say that with all due respect).
    Are you reading the bible or a comic book?
    Well, nobody believes you but you’re still fun to have around.
    Bless you Dude!

  18. I like Life Cereal too. 🙂

  19. Guess what Marianne,,,
    We didn’t have a 10 quake here on the 3rd, so one more false prophet bites the dust.
    So far I’m batting 1000 on being a skeptic.
    But don’t worry, that won’t last forever. Just 15 years or so…

    • so?

      I never predicted a 10 earthquake…..

      I don’t try to be a prophet because I am not one…. I am a prophecy news analyst and a bible teacher….I just take what is in the news, and see if any of it could be true….

      I know that earthquakes happen and large ones have been happening….just like the bible said they would.

      and someday there really will be a huge one, because the bible says that too.

      which event will trigger it? when will it be? I don’t know….I am just watching. Jesus told us to watch and pray so I do that.

      • marianne
        someone predicted an earthquake 3 oct. and it never happened = false prophet.
        I say soon Israel will be destroyed in a earthquake according to Ezekiel 38:18 or 19. It is time for this.

        • israel may get an earthquake, but God has promised that Israel will never be destroyed.

          the earthquake is to destroy the invasion into Israel

          • marianne
            I thought you were sleeping. sorry if I wake you up. I don’t agree with you verse 19 says clearly that Israel will be destroyed by an earthquake. even Yeshua refered to this verse when his disciples said look master on all the beautiful houses and Yeshua answered look at them carefully because one day all houses will be destroyed. Yeshua didn’t refer to the destruction of Jerusalem year 70. one proof of this is that western fall was not destroyed year 70 and Yeshua said all walls will be destroyed and even Ezekiel 38:19 says all walls will be destroyed. You are a protestant and you understand the Bible in one way and I am an Ortodox Christian and I understand the Bible in an another way and time will tell whos right. Go to sleep now and dream good dreams.

            • awake.

              I am disturbed by photo of baby girl killed by terrorists….


            • Adam,
              Acoording to Revelation, when Jesus returns there will be a great earthquake that will split the Mount of Olives as He descends onto it and 7000 people in the city of Jerusalem will be killed and a portion of the city (probably the temple mosque and the Muslim portions) will be destroyed, but not the entire city because the temple will be rebuilt and Jesus will reign from there for 1000 years.
              It is Rome that will be destroyed, not Jerusalem. You claim Jesus will reign from the Vatican in Rome, but that is pure egotistical fantasy and can easily be disproved by the bible. But of course you have secret church documents that talk about Jesus on Nibiru and all sorts of other crazy stuff, and as we all know, it’s impossible to reason with a crazy person so I’ll go no further here.
              God bless you dude, you’re one of a kind!

              • James
                You are wrong about almost everything you say. First of all Rev. 11 does not describe when Jesus returns. Jesus is one of the two olive trees that has preached for 3,5 years when the eartquake starts. this earthquake is not when Jesus returns but 3,5 years in his ministry. And this eartquake describes what happens in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 38:19 describes an earthquake over Israel. Try to understand. It is not speaking about same event. I agree I am crazy but you are crazier.

                • James and others
                  We can get proof from the Bible that Yeshua is one of the two olive trees. Stephen in Acts. is full of holy spirit and says he sees in heaven and he sees father God in the middle and Yeshua the son and messiah to the right. We are not allowed to question the holy ghost. Yeshua is not in the middle but to the right. Even Zechariah 4 tells us that father God is in the middle and the two olive trees are too the left and right so it is obvious that Yeshua is one of the two olive trees in Rev. 11 but we are not going to follow the book of Rev. so forgett it. The Ortodox Syriac Church does not have this book in their Bible and we are going to follow the Sirac Bible.

                  • I forgatt to mention that Psalm 110 also tells us that Yeshua is to the right and not in the middle.

      • I was referring to the guy you mentioned earlier whose daughter had a dream about the Golden Gate bridge getting wiped out. They’re making false prophets younger and younger nowadays it seems.

  20. marianne
    were do you find verse or verses in the Bible that God has promised that nothing will happen to Israel???


  21. To you all:
    REV. 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the “seven golden candlesticks”. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the “seven candlesticks” which thou sawest “are the seven churches”.
    REV. 2:1 ¶ Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith “HE” that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the “seven golden candlesticks;”

    Word explains word –
    Now Rev. 11:3-4 ¶ And I will give power unto “my two witnesses”, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    REV. 1:4 These are the “two olive trees”, and the “two candlesticks” standing before the God= LORD JESUS CHRIST of the earth.

    There were “two” doors in the Inner court. When both were opened it becomes ONE door. The Bible plainly tells us in Rev. 1:20 and 2:1 above.

    The Doors to the Inner Court were made out of OLIVE WOOD – And overlayed with GOLD in Solomon’s Glorious Temple.
    Please do not choke on this:
    This is ONE ministry with two main character the O.T and N.T church’s.
    ROM. 11:24 For if thou-“gentile church” wert cut out of the “olive tree” which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a “good olive tree”: how much more shall these, which be the “natural branches”, be graffed into their “own olive tree”?

    We absolutely know what the Candlesticks are. Its interpreted above. Also Now you should see the Olive trees are Israel and Gentiles.

    The HE in Rev. 2:1 Above is JESUS CHRIST – The Candlesticks are the 1 Church in a 7 fold or I could say 7 cycles of – 1 part dark-ages= first 4 church ages – the 2nd. part starts with Sardis the Restoration Rev. 3:1 Sardis church = Escaped one- Where Christ is starting the “RESTORATION” of the N.T church from the DARK AGES.

    Rev. 11 the Two witnesses is the Church being restored because it WENT DEAD- in the DARK AGES – But at the Coming of Christ in Rev. 10 and the 7 thunders and Trumpets were sounded the Church RAISED from their deadness. Into NEW LIFE – Its the OVERCOMING BRIDE of CHRIST BODY.

    Last but not least – MARK 9:4- And there appeared unto them Elijah with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
    MARK 9:5- And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.
    MARK 9:7 – And there was a “CLOUD” that overshadowed them: and a “VOICE” came out of the CLOUD, saying, This is my beloved Son: HEAR HIM – all through the church ages – HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT says to the OVERCOMERS

    Christ had a 3-1/2 year ministry and Moses and Elijah was with him symbolizing the “O.T Israel church and Elijah the N.T gentile church – Going from Old Wine to New Wine. Remember John the Baptist was the Elijah prophet of that day introducing Jesus the Messiah. Then and NOW Same thing has happened to the church in our day.
    REV. 10:8 And the VOICE which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is OPEN in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. And EAT IT

    A New Temple was measured Rev. 11:1 – The dark ages over and the 7th. Angel sounds in Rev 11: 15-17 The kingdoms of the World are become the Kingdoms of our Lord – The Ark and Temple is Visible

    This is the Bible plainly taught – By the WORD not minds of human intellect.

    Bro. Ty

  22. Tom York
    You say

    Now Rev. 11:3-4 ¶ And I will give power unto “my two witnesses”, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    REV. 11:4 These are the “two olive trees”, and the “two candlesticks” standing before the God= LORD JESUS CHRIST of the Earth

    I say
    Were do you get the info that God in Rev 11:4 is Jesus Christ?
    Yeshua says clear in the NT that he has a father that is God. He also says in NT to a man why do you call me good. There is only on that is good and that is God. Psalm 110 says Jesus is sitting on Gods right side which means that his father is in the middle and God. And Stephen in Acts 7 is full of holy spirit and we are not allowed to question the holy spirit. Stephen sees God in the middle and Jesus to the right. = = = = Jesus is never in the middle. When you say the God in Rev 11.4 is Yeshua you are teaching against Psalm 110 and against Acts 7. I don´t know who have gave you the right to teach against the Bible but I suggest you teach more carefully about this. I agree Yeshua is God but Yeshua is not the father God who sits in the middle. Turn your thinking and do right.

    You say

    Christ had a 3-1/2 year ministry and Moses and Elijah was with him symbolizing the “O.T Israel church and Elijah the N.T gentile church – Going from Old Wine to New Wine. Remember John the Baptist was the Elijah prophet of that day introducing Jesus the Messiah. Then and NOW Same thing has happened to the church in our day.

    I say

    It is not written anywere in the NT that John th B. was baptized so stop say Elijah is N.T. When you call Elijah Christian then you are taking something out of your hat. Please man!

    The Ortodox Christian!

  23. GODHEAD EXPLAINED – AGAIN – It’s Time you knew the mystery -the hour is late — BY THE SCRIPTURE’S – Word explains Word

    EXO 20:3- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    EXO. 20: 5 – thy God am a jealous God
    1. How you gonna keep the Commandments of God if you believe there are 3 Gods in PERSONS
    It would be impossible.
    2. Was Jesus a jr. God or 2nd. person – Jesus said He is Alpha and Omega – explain that one to me.
    3. Is the Holy Ghost a 3rd Person of god – IS HE LESSER than Father or Son
    3. Manifestation of ONE GOD in the proper concept of Gods thinking = Logos = Mind, concepts, intellect
    When He Spoke the FIRST WORD it was “LOGOS” mind, intelligence, and concepts came to pass by HIS WORD.
    4. REV. 19:13 – And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD.
    5. TIM. 3:16 – And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. This is Jesus Christ the LORD = God

    Short Study in Isaiah alone
    1. ISA. 7:14- Therefore the “LORD HIMSELF” shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Immanuel – Means GOD with us
    2. ISA. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD , THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
    3. ISA.12:2- Behold, GOD IS MY SALVATION ; (not gods) – I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH =(singular) is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
    4. ISA. 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. = (Jesus is Lord – Paul said there are not 2 Lords )
    5. ISA. 43:3- For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, THY SAVIOUR : I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
    6. ISA. 43:11- I, even I, am the LORD; and “BESIDE ME” THERE IS NO SAVIOUR
    7. ISA. 44:6 – ISAIAH 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and “his redeemer the LORD” of hosts; “I am the first, and I am the last“; and “BESIDE ME” there is no God.
    8. ISA. 45:18- For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; GOD HIMSELF that formed the earth and made it; HE -(singular) hath established it, HE(not they) created it not in vain, HE formed it to be inhabited: I AM THE LORD; AND THERE IS “NONE” ELSE. ( I AM ) singular

    Book of Revelation is the “revealing of the “Mystery of Jesus Christ” to the church.
    REV. 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,(singular) which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY “reference Isaiah” -not Almighty’s
    REV. 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: “reference Isaiah

    REV. 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, A THRONE (singular) was set in heaven, and “ONE SAT” – (singular) on the THRONE . (singular again)
    REV 4:8- ¶ And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. (one god) which was, and is, and is to come.
    REV. 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks TO HIM (not them) that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
    REV. 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before HIM that sat on the THRONE , and worship HIM that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before THE (singular) THRONE , saying,
    REV. 4:11 Thou art worthy, “O Lord“, (not lords) to receive glory and honour and power: for “THOU” (not we) thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    REV. 5:1- ¶ And I saw in the RIGHT HAND of HIM (singular) that sat on the throne (Him and Arm are the same person)
    REV. 5:3 And “NO MAN” in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
    REV. 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in “THE MIDST” OF THE THRONE – (not throne’s plural) and of the four beasts, and in the “MIDST” of the elders, “STOOD A LAMB” as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
    Rev. 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the “RIGHT HAND OF HIM (singular) that sat upon the
    throne. The Right Arm of GOD WAS THE LAMB – The Immanuel, and All that Isaiah said he was. God in a Human Body had to die. NO MAN could be the REDEEMER – Except a GOD/MAN

    RIGHT 3225 yamiyn 1a) right hand =south (the direction of the right hand when facing East)
    In Temple days – you was commanded to look East toward the Temple while praying to God.
    ARM 2220 zrowa’ from 2232; 1) arm, forearm, shoulder, strength
    b) arm (as symbol of strength) 1c) forces (political and military) 1d) shoulder (of animal sacrificed)
    2. The Right Arm of a man was His strength. This is (symbolic)

    I would hope no one could possibly believe in 3 Gods in Person now.
    I JOHN 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: AND THESE THREE “ARE ONE” not 3 persons – God can Speak Himself into anything HE chooses. Why is this so hard for all you Trinitarians.

    • Tom & Jerry and others


      1. It is not impossible to keep the commandments and think father, son and holy spirit are all God. I say the shema (Deut. 6:4-5) every morning and and every night. I have the shema written on my doorposts. NT says it is the father we shall pray to so when I pray I pray to Yeshua father not to Yeshua. But my faith says that Yeshua is God and Trinity back me up regarding this.

      2. Yehsua is a jr God and a second person. The father is the first in heaven and Gabriel (Yeshua) the second. When Yeshua said alpha and omega we don´t know if father God spooke trough him. We know from the Hebrews 1:2 that the father can speak trough Yeshua. But we in our Church knows that Yeshua is the first man on Earth (Adam). So he is the first human being.
      The father God is the first Angel.

      3. Yes Holy spirit is the third person and God in the holy trinity.

      4. Yes, Yeshua spooke the Word of God or God Words.

      5. No, Yeshua is not the father God and Tim 3:16 doesn´t say that either.


      1. First of all, this vers does not say virign. The Hebrew Word is alma which means Young woman and not virign. But NT tells us Mary was Virgin but not this verse. I agree Immanuel means God with us and my faith says the father can speak trough his son. When Yeshua is on Earth the father is with us trough Yeshua Words. And even Yeshua is a God. But not the father God.

      2. It is written that Yeshua shall be called THE MIGHTY GOD , THE EVERLASTING FATHER not that he is the everlasting father. Only called.
      You must understand the difference between called and is. Huge difference.
      If someone says you are the greatast hockey player on Earth it does not mean I am the greatest hockey player.

      3. My faith says I can´t get salvation from Yeshua only from his father. And my faith says Yeshua father is YHWH and not Yeshua so I have no problem with this verse.

      4. The lord is Yeshuas father in the OT. Yeshua is not the lord but is called the lord in NT and also Jeremiah 23:6 tells us that he will be called the lord but not that he is the lord. My faith says the lord in OT is the father God and the lord in NT is Yeshua and the father God.

      5. See nr 4

      6. See above

      7. The holy trinity was not revealed and preached to us at that time. But I agree we only have one father God.

      8. Describes father God YHWH and not Yeshua.


      1. You are giving me verses but not questions so I will comment all you said about Rev.

      Read Rev. 1:1 it says clearly that God gave this Rev. to Yeshua. = = =
      Yeshua has a father God. Yeshua can not see into the future so his father gives him details about future. When Yeshua speaks about future in NT it comes from his father God. If you say Yeshua is the father then you are dening this verse. I mentioned Hebrews 1:2 above and if you say Yeshua is father God then you are dening that verse to.

      I want to give you more detalis about Yehua has a father God.
      When Yeshua was on Earth he said father that is in heaven when Yeshua teached about how to pray. Yeshua was not speaking about himself because Yeshua was on Earth and not in heaven when Yeshua said this.
      When Yeshua was baptized God voice said from heaven this is my son……. = = = Yeshua has a father God.
      When Yeshua transformed and became White, God voice said from heaven this is my son = = = Yeshua has a father God.
      A person said good master. Yeshua said why do you call me good. There is only one that is good and that is our father God in heaven = = = Yeshua has a father God
      Yeshua said in NT there is one that is greater than him and that is the father God = = = Yeshua has a father God


      But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” (John. 4:23) = = =

      This is Yeshua Words and clearly says he has a father God.

      “And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.” (John. 16:23) = = =

      This is Yeshua Words and clearly says he has a father God.

      “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,” (Eph. 3:14) = = =

      Yeshua has father God.

      “We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,” (Col. 1:3) = = =

      Yeshua has a father God

      I can continue but this is enough!

      I said earlier in Psalm 110 it says clearly the Messiah (Yeshua) sits on father God right side.

      And most important thing read Matthew 12-31-32. This verses says we will not get forgivness about Word against the holy spirit and Acts 7 says Stephen is full of holy spirit and he sees the Father God in the middle and Yeshua his son and the messiah to the right. So every person that says Yeshua is the father God and sits in the middle will not get forgivness because you have talked against the holy spirit.

      1 John 5:7 the Word is Yeshua === The father, the son (Yeshua) and the holy spirit.

      I want to end this post with words from Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let US make man in our image” = = =

      US means our father God was not alone in heaven when he created Everything he clearly says US. US is plural. When i say Us I don´t mean USA 🙂 Their is seven archangels and the father God is also an angel and all the other Archangels can call them self God and thoose are Michael, Gabriel, Rafael, Selafiel, Jegudiel, Barakiel, and Jeremiel. Gabriel and Micheal is Yeshua.
      Look at the ending of the names. Al of them ends with El which is a short name for God (Elohim).

      Tom it is hard to learn an old dog to sitt down and I assume you are not young but your faith is a Joke.

      The Ortodox Christian!

      • Father God gave info about future to Yeshua and he dreamed about them and the dreams became mixed with truth and fantasy and John saw Jesus dreams and this dreams became the book Revelation.

    • One there means unity….you can have a group and have unity.

      the father is god

      Jesus is the son of god


    JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was THE WORD , and the WORD WAS WITH GOD, and the WORD WAS GOD.
    JOHN 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    JOHN 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    JOHN 1:4 In HIM WAS LIFE; and THE LIFE was the LIGHT OF MEN .

    Right here St. John – The Father, spoke Word, and Life came forth. = 3 manifestations of 1 GOD.
    1 God – Not 3 persons.

    The Scriptures are SO PLAIN – Isaiah, and all the prophets were wrong if you are right. You mise well throw away your Bible – After all these years – you do not even know who you are SERVING and calling God. Jesus Was a little lower in that God made Himself into Flesh and walked among us. That’s scripture
    But you do not believe it. You limit the Holy one of Israel. To say The Father cannot create Himself into the Word or into a BODY. This is why you do not understand the “simple Salvation plan” of CHRIST IN YOU” you do not understand it. You are still in doubt and unbelief. And God will take away even that you seem to have and give it to another who can understand it. If you do not get Sincere.

    I really feel sorry for you all. I have no animosity at all toward you. You will probably never see it. And that is a pity. If you cannot see the ONENESS of the GODHEAD — that is why you cannot see the Spiritual things of the Bible. You are carnal Christians. While you still have natural life in you. Seek truth with ALL YOUR HEART — HEAR– T also H–EAR–T what the Spirit saith unto you. According to John

    1 JOHN 4: ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    I JOHN 4:2 Hereby KNOW YE THE SPIRIT OF GOD: Every spirit that confesseth that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH —IS OF GOD:
    I JOHN 4:3 And every spirit that CONFESSETH NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS “COME IN THE FLESH IS NOT OF GOD: this is that SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it SHOULD COME; and even NOW ALREADY IS IT IN THE WORLD.

    Yes indeed – this False doctrine right here. Is what the Nicean Council in 325 AD came up with. And it started the DARK AGES. If you believe in 3 persons of GOD – you need to get out of the DARK AGES.
    You are trapped and called anti-christ.

    Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: NOTICE “THE NAME” =singular –The disciples’ did exactly like Jesus said to do.

    Now 10 DAYS LATER after Christ told them how to Baptize in Matt. 28:19 lets read how they did it.
    All the Apostles were present –
    ACTS 2:37 ¶ Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (Peter had the Keys that started the salvation plan.)

    ACTS 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in “THE NAME” of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Recon why millions of Carnal Christians do not have the Holy Ghost today. You did not OBEY the simple things first. God gives the HOLY GHOST to them that OBEY HIS WORD.

    You will have to come up with something to disprove this before you will ever convince me of Wrong doctrine . May the Lord Help you all to see the TRUTH in these last Days.


    • Tom

      You did not comment what I wrote becuase you can not disprove me.

      You say

      JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was THE WORD , and the WORD WAS WITH GOD, and the WORD WAS GOD.

      I say

      Word = Yeshua.
      Word was God = Yeshua is God but not father God.

      Regarding 1 John. I agree what is said there. Yeshua came in the flesh and Yeshua is God but Yeshua is not the father God so Yeshua spoke his father Words.

      When you are attacking Nicean Council in 325 AD you are mocking my Church and my faith says don´t answer evil against evil so I will take it with Little more kind Words then I want to tell you.

      Pope Leo X said to Martin Luther if you open your Church you will not take part of Holy Spirit and Romans 8:9 says you are not a Christian if you don´t have the holy spirit in you. Pope Leo said if you are not Ortodox or Catholic you are not a Christian. My Church is created from the book of acts and yours is started by an anti semite and racist from 1521.

      I suggest you read Didache 8 that is teaching from Yeshua and his disciples. Yeshua said hypocrites fast on mondays and thursdays, you shall fast on Wednesday and fridays. Our Church has been fasting on Wed. and Fri. since it was started and when Martin Luther started his Church they fasted Mon & Thurs. Yeshua called you hypocrites. Good luck!

      Matt 28:19 =

      If the father, son and the holy spirit is one person then they would say baptize in the name of God. They say Father, Son and holy spirit because it is 3 persons. You are talking against yourself.

      Acts =

      When we baptize we do it in the name of the father, son and the holy spirit. The son is Yeshua so when verse 2:38 says in the name of Yeshua the Messiah it is the son part of the father, son and the holy spirit.

      You say

      God gives the HOLY GHOST to them that OBEY HIS WORD.

      I say

      God gives the holy spirit to them who are baptized in his Church. And you are not.

      I want to end this post with telling you that my faith is that the father has a son and my faith says Yeshua came in flesh to speak his father Words. This does not makes me an AC.

      If you say Yeshua is father God then you speak against the holy ghost in Acts 7 and will not get forgivness!

      Good luck!

  25. Assertio Septem Sacramentorum

    You said – I want to end this post with words from Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let US make man in our image” = = =

    That is the oldest scam scripture that was put out in the dark ages.

    US – is the Elohim of God – Plurality of God – When all the Children and Sons of God gathered around him in Praise. I have sent that meaning in to you all about 6 times probably to try and get you to believe.

    You was with God before the Foundation of the World was ever formed. READ IT
    Half Truths is the deadliest scheme that satan has ever invented.
    Your Name was put on the Book of Life before the foundation of the world had begun.

    I doubt you believe that either. I’ve always been a “child of God” from my Creation in the Mind of God – Then the Logos = concepts of God came to my when I was just 22 years old. I was a chosen vessel. How about you Septem –

    For every Question a person has – there is an Answer in the Word of God for that Question.

    Bro. ty

    • Tom

      You say

      We was with God Before…… World was ever formed.

      I say

      There is no where in the Bible that tells us that

      You say

      I´ve Always been a “Child of God”

      I say

      You are proud when you say that. Regarding me I lay everything in the father God hands. If he accepts me I will be happy. If not I will be sad. I will not take God descisions and say that I am a Child of God. Only father God knows if he loves me or not. And my father God is not Yeshua. My father God is Yeshua father and I accept Yeshua as God also but not the father God.

      If you want to know more about me since you ask. I call my self Ortodox Christian and I follow the law of Torah. I am a vegeterian because I don´t want that animals shall die because of me. I Pray Ortodox prayers everyday.
      I pray the Shema (Deut 6.4-5) two times a day. I fast every wed an friday and 50 Days Before passover. I love the 7 sacraments and the catechism that I have read so far. I love the Trinity etc……..

      When I die I will find out if I am a Child of God, until then I don´t know because I am not proud.

      The Ortodox Christian!

  26. Dear Assertio Septem – You do not have to die to know if you are in Christ. You can “know today”. In type Jesus Christ was GOD VEILED with HUMAN FLESH. Just as the Temple was veiled with a Badger Skin to the Holiest of Holies. When Christ rose from the Dead “that Veil of flesh and human spirit was torn into. That is symbolic of what Christ has done for you. Christ Death, burial, and Resurrection allowed “God the Spirit” to take over your mind, body, and soul into HIS likeness. By GOD himself becoming a MAN. Rev. 5:3 it says NO MAN in heaven nor in Earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. SO IT HAD TO BE GOD THAT WAS IN THE MAN – JESUS CHRIST – ALL GOD AND ALL MAN. THAT MY FRIEND HAD TO BE. GOD HAD TO BECOME A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN – HAD TO BECOME LIKE MANKIND TO SAVE MANKIND. GOD CANNOT DIE BUT HE CAN ‘BUILD HIMSELF A BODY TO LIVE IN’ ——-PRAISE GOD —– SO AFTER GOD SAID “‘IT IS DONE”‘ OR “IT IS FINISHED”‘ means ” NOW WE CAN PUT ON GOD BODY = BECOME A THEOPHANY. AND BE FREE AS HE INTENDED US TO BE. THEO=GOD PHANY=FLESH

    THIS IS CALLED THE “PLAN OF SALVATION” TO MANKIND. Jesus Christ which was GOD had to come as a HUMAN to SAVE all that would come. Jesus said HE came from God and goes back to God = Spirit

    It had to be GOD HIMSELF. This GOD/MAN was our “Kinsmen redeemer” as in the Book of Ruth was the literal story. Jesus was our Spiritual Kinsmen redeemer” in Rev. 5.
    Isaiah said it Plain-go back and read the Isaiah scriptures again. God said He is the Redeemer, The King of Kings, the Virgin Manchild called Immanuel. Christ was not born by lust desire and or a sex act.
    He was the Savior of the World period. God the Father-Spirit knew this. God knew he was going to make man in His image but He being God also knew that mankind would fall. As it did.

    Now God can show His GREAT, GREAT, Love by being our Kinsmen Redeemer=Savior. He became One of US that we could become like HIM. It is impossible to please God without FAITH – The Works of God are just believing Gods word until the Holy Ghost comes in then it will GUIDE you into all truth. The Word will “transform” you into a Christ like being and “Image” of God. The disciples were just potentials walking with Christ on the outside. OH but when He came INTO THEM they got their NEW BIRTH and became the IMAGE OF CHRIST. We must be as they were.

    If God wanted just “Works” He would have not become a MAN and Suffered and died on the Cross. God Knew that He had to set the “Example” for all humankind to follow. And it takes GOD IN YOU meaning the HOLY SPIRIT = God living in you and killing and “burning out” that old man of sin. That means Death, Hell, and Grave is defeated and annihilated while you live. Please do not wait to die before you come to Christ.

    You by faith can rise into the Concepts, of Gods MIND =Logos=by confessing and speaking the Word. And transform the CARNAL HUMAN MIND “”by the spoken Word of God. Let God transform your mind. Now I could have said — God – Jesus Christ – or Holy Ghost and it would still all the same. Our KINSMEN redeemer picked us up and wiped off all the sin and married us and we became HIS BRIDE. Which enabled us to receive the HOLY SPIRIT into our BEING – Call out to God, Or Jesus Christ, or Holy Ghost They are all the same in SPIRIT FORM = singular – Be honest in your heart and Jesus Christ will come into your heart and change you forever. We cannot hide any thought or anything from God.

    Maybe God sent you my way to hear this great message of the last days. Its seems that Christianity today is to “modern” and educated by false prophets so bad that even the “elect would be lost ” if Jesus hadn’t came and told us “all truth” Praise God – A real child of God will search the scriptures and come to Christ with their WHOLE HEART – not just a little intellectual understanding. Isaiah was literal scriptures it just speaks in Literal FACTS of TRUTH. THAT GOD GAVE ISAIAH. If I say its Literal. They say its hard to understand so it must have a hidden meaning. and if I say its Spiritual they say the Bible is literal. Absolute Confusion. But the SPIRIT SAYS – COME – The Spirit and the Bride say COME – they speaking the same thing as God meant it to be. Praise God. That’s the last chapter in Revelations.
    bro. ty

    • Tom & Jerry

      First of all I want to tell you when I said the Archangel names ends with EL and EL is a short name for Elohim, I didn´t meant that they are Elohim only that they are part of father God.

      You say

      Rev. 5:3 it says NO MAN in heaven nor in Earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. SO IT HAD TO BE GOD THAT WAS IN THE MAN – JESUS CHRIST

      I say

      My Church knows that Rev. is Jesus dreams and not what happened for real..

      You have not answered my question about Rev. 1:1 “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him” . If Yeshua is father God as you say. i know he is not. Then Yeshua gave the Rev. to Yeshua. That does not make sense.

      You say

      the Virgin Manchild called Immanuel. Christ was not born by lust desire and or a sex act.

      I say

      I agree that Christ was not born by lust desire and or a sex act from NT. But when you say the virign manchild called Immanuel. You are wrong about this. In Isaiah about Immanuel the Word were you say virign is alma. Alma in hebrew means Young woman and not virign. You are probably from USA you must have a lot of people around you that speaks hebrew. Ask them and you will find out that I am right.

      You say

      If God wanted just “Works” He would have not become a MAN and Suffered and died on the Cross.

      I say

      You invalidate my Church. When you do so I want you to read “Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.” (Matt. 15:13) My Church is the Church that the apostles started in the book Acts. Your Church is started by a man and not by God. All Protestant and free churches are started by crazy men.

      You say

      Please do not wait to die before you come to Christ.

      I say

      On what basis do you say you are in Christ and I am not??
      My faith says I belong to father God and you are not!

      You say

      Our KINSMEN redeemer picked us up and wiped off all the sin.

      I say

      We are only wiped off from sin when we are baptized not the rest of Life.
      There is 6 places in the NT that tells us that we will stand in a trial when we die one is Romans 14:10 and another is Hebrews 4:13, 9:27,10:27 so we are not free or sinless the rest of our Lifes. To say we are free is satan words.

      You say

      Maybe God sent you my way to hear this great message of the last Days

      I say

      Maybe God sent me to you so you shall hear this great message of the last Days. i don´t like to be proud but your comments forces me to become proud.

      If Pope Leo X was right as I think then every protestant that refers to the holy spirit like holy spirit revealed to … will burn in hell.

      The Ortodox Christian!

  27. Assertio Septem – Well sorry you feel that way. You are the one who said you will have to die to know if you were saved- it will be a little to late then to change.
    I would advise you to recheck you whole philosophy cause you are a really, really mixed up person. But now you have heard the truth. I need not say anymore to you. May God have Mercy upon your Soul . I can wipe the “dust” off of my feet now as a testimony you did not receive.
    Fare ye well. br ty


    It begins soon, very soon. If it’s


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