Sun Goes down at Noon – Science?


How could that physically happen?

And it shall come to pass in that day, says the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day: Amos 8:9

The bible talks about:


the sea and waves roaring (tsunamis),

the heavens shaken (what is happening in the sky?),

the earth being turned upside down (north and south pole change positions),

entire lands wasted and emptied, and utterly spoiled, and

burning of the earth.

Luke 21

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Isaiah 24

1 Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty , and makes it waste , and turns it upside down, and scatters abroad the inhabitants thereof

3 The land shall be utterly emptied , and utterly spoiled : for the LORD hath spoken this word.

4 The earth mourns and fades away , the world languishes and fades away , the haughty people of the earth do languish .

5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate : therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned , and few men left grapes when the vintage is done .


Is there a physical phenomenon, or a set of them, that could cause all this?

Revelation 8: 7-8, 10-11 speaks of Wormwood and a time when the stars and fire fall.

This reminds one of a comet, or meteor like object, casting debris down to earth.

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

So what kind of object is Wormwood?

Rev 8:14 further describes the event:

And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

It sounds like the closer it gets, the more space it takes up in the sky, and the view of the heavens is blocked.

This could be due to either

(1) it is very large,

(2) it is very close, or

(3) both.

The sun and other heavenly objects are still there. You just cannot see them. It says they are smitten (darkened), not destroyed.

It is hard to imagine an object in space covering up the sun, as large as it is.

But this illusion can occur if something close to the earth is blocking the view. Even the moon can block the view of the sun during a solar eclipse.

Since the view of the sun is different at any time, based on one’s position on the earth, I am assuming that this view is from Jerusalem, Israel.


1/3 stars, sun and moon smitten!

Joel 3:15 The sun and moon will grow dark, and the stars will no longer shine.


It is possible for the stars to appear “smitten,” since this happens during each day.

There is so much light from the sun that they “disappear” and then are visible at night after the sun goes down.

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Here is an example comparing the amount of light to the visibility of the stars:

The Bortle Dark-Sky Scale


How dark is your sky?

The darker the sky, the more stars seen

The lighter the sky, the less stars seen.

But here, it seems to be the opposite.  The stars are not seen because it is dark?

Sun and Moon

Is the 1/3 of the sun and moon smitten because of a forced change in time or rotation of the earth?

This “forced change of time” occurred in the Book of Joshua, to prolong the day, so he could win his battle against the Amorites:

Then spoke Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel….Joshua 10: 12-13

If a 1/3 of the day is lost, then 1/3 of 12 hours is 4 hours, and if 1/3 of the night is lost also, then another 4 hours lost. This is a total of 8 hours lost, or ¼ of a day.

The earth would have to rotate around 60º , in some direction relative to Israel, to do both.

This matches up with the pole shift / gravitational theories below, where a passing object attracts the earth in its path, and “pulls” or “spins” it around as it passes.

From the Middle East perspective, it is also evening, since the sun goes down at noon. So the light is less.

But, how can something that lights up the sky to make the stars disappear make the sun and moon darker?



If there is an significant sized object passing by the earth, the earth may get pulled around, as well as the moon, and the view of the sun and moon might be eclipsed.

This pulling could either be due to

(1) a gravitational pull, or

(2) a magnetic attraction between the north / south poles of the earth and the south / north poles of the object.

The object would have to be either

1. very large

2. very close

3. or both

Visualization of concept:

Note: Sun and earth not to scale!

Israel at noon – normal orientation to the sun:


Israel at sundown – scenario # 1 – pole shift with S-N- Sun – pull is at magnetic south pole:


Israel at sundown – scenario # 2 – pole shift with N-S- Sun – – pull is at magnetic north pole:


Israel at sundown – scenario # 3 – gravitational pull along the equator 60° from Israel.



Current plausible candidate for this kind of disruption:  Nibiru

Nibiru is said to be a distant star/sun/object that is in our solar system. It rotates through and by earth every 3600 years, and every 7000 years, it cause destruction.

Ancient legends call it the Destroyer, or the Red Kachina.

Here I am not saying the comet Elenin is Nibiru. I really do not know. Some people say it is. If true, we would see something occur this fall, when Elenin passes close to the earth in September and October, 2011.

As Nibiru ( Planet X) would pass by the earth, it would influence earth events.

We are told that we are going to be hit by global earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis and a pole shift. It would be devastating anywhere on a fault line, near a nuclear power plant, and less than 250 miles inland and less than 600ft above sea level.

Ancient legends

It is also said that the Annunakis are aliens that live on a planet similar to our Earth called the Homeworld, and this planet rotates around the second sun Vulcan.  They are part of the Nephilim.

Reported history and “facts” about Nibiru

1. Nibiru was first spotted in space on December 30, 1983.

2. Mayans have been one of the greatest astronomers of all time, creating the first accurate calendar and making star charts.  The Mayan Long Calendar has shown that the last day  is December 21, 2012, the day that scientists believe that Nibiru’s effect will affect earth.  The worst will come on Valentine’s Day, 2013.  Nibiru will stop affecting us on July 1, 2014.

3. Hurricanes and winds will be up to 350 mph.  Tsunamis can reach 3 miles high. 

Nibiru is about 50 times bigger than our Earth.  The gravity of it can affect our earth drastically, causing a Pole Shift.

This Pole shift would cause the pull on the earth that would cause the time changes, where ¼ a day would be lost, and the sun could possibly appear to go down at noon. 

While I cannot explain how 1/3 of the sun and moon would be smitten, it may be that the destruction on earth by Nibiru would cause so much smoke and fire that the days would be darkened, and the sky would not be clear due to the dark smoke.


This is all just a theory.  How the end times unfold is up to God.

See also:


Pole Shift

Signs in the Stars before the Day of the Lord

Signs of the Sun and Moon before the Day of the Lord



85 Responses to “Sun Goes down at Noon – Science?”

  1. The Bible says the sun will not give HIS LIGHT and the moon will not give HER LIGHT..THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE ANCIENT SUN GOD AND MOON GOD OF dEUT 4-19 FORBIDDEN WORSHIP….

    The verses about the sun, moon and stars are in relation to the ancient sun, moon and star worship of Deut. 4-19..

    Isaiah 60-19…The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
    The people worshipped the sun god, the moon god , the stars, etc… The above verse says these will no longer be their spiritual light that the Lord Himself will be our LIGHT…

    The sea and waves roaring is in relation to Rev. 13 ..and Jude 13…Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. THESE ARE THE FALLEN ANGELS….specificaly the fallen angels of Genesis that taught men the astrology worship ….which is Deu 4-19…

    THE curse in Isaiah 24-6 is not only spelled ALAH in Hebrew word etymology..It is also the CURSED roll that goes over the entire earth and makes men desolate…This word CURSE is also spelled ALAH.. This roll-book is the koran…
    This koran gospel that is preached in all the world is the abomination that makes men desolate of Matthew 24-14,15…

    This cursed koran Gospel is the SEED that satan sows in Matthew 35-40 that produces children of satan.. These koran lies cause men to lose God;s spirit and become demonized.. Hense the abomination that makes men desolate of God’s spirit…

    There is much much more…

    Just remember you cannot find the answers to God’s words or parables in writings of men… They can be found only in the Bible…

  2. Lucifer caused the EARTH TO TREMBLE.. Would this not be an earth quake.. Isaiah 14-16..
    But I am sure some of these events happen also in the natural realm of things…

  3. I learned something interesting the other day…

    Jeremaih 17-13…O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, [and] they that depart from me shall be written in the EARTH, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

    God’s people’s names are written in Heaven….Those that depart from the true God will be written in the earth….
    It finally dawned on me the beast that comes out of the earth of Revelation 13 are those who have left the real god for the allah beast and their names are now written in the earth…

    Rev 13-7 shows the first beast makes war against the saints and overcomes them…These depart from the real god and worship the allah beast….THEN it says they come up out of the EARTH…
    REV 13-11..And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. The two horns like a lamb is in reference to former Christianity …Speaking as a dragon shows the dragon indwells them…Their name is now written in the earth…
    I also think some of Revelation 12 is about this same falling away too…
    Rev 12-4…And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the EARTH: These were stars of HEaven but are now CAST DOWN TO THE EARTH… Their names are no longer in heaven but written in the earth…The Bible speaks of this body of the serpent.. It says the ancient and honorable he is the head (cause he is professing to be god) and the prophet that teaches lies he is the TAIL… This would be all those who claim the koran is god’s words.. That is what false prophets do.. They claim their words are of God but they are not…

    I am seriously wondering if this earth beast will be the Chrislam churches…. Sad to say it is this earth beast who will kill all who do not bow to the allah beast…

    There is more.. mluch more …

  4. Once people understand that Deut 4-19 is what happened in Genesis 3 they will understand more about the sun, moon and star references. in the Bible…
    Satan planted the delusional lie in mens minds that he was the creator of the sun, moon and stars, etc… by visual association…

    Deut 4-19…And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

    God told Cain ‘SIN LIETH AT THE DOOR’…..Sin was the ancient astrology moon god …He was said to be the door to the heavens…. Jude compared Cain’s doctrine lore to that of Balaam amd Korah… These doctrines were of astrology lore….

    The entire world worshipped the astrology lore from Adam to Abraham.. God called Abraham out of the astrology lore… The world continued to worship the astrology lore ,except the Jews ,until Jesus…..The world today still worships the astrology lore,, Hindu, China, Japan, etc., and ISlam which is nothing but monotheised astrology lore.. and this is proven by history, archeology, and the bible..

    And sad to say for my poor old tired brain there is more,, much more,,, but I would not have missed this battle for anything….

  5. Wow no wonder my cat keeps putting her paw over my mouth… She wants me to shut up….lol

  6. Hi Marianne! Thanks for the post. I was starting to think this Nibiru/Planet X phenomenon was a hoax but it certainly fits with Bibical prophesies. The info on, is very enlightening, I hope all will read it. Last night I was reading Luke, Jesus says in Luke 32:32, “Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33: Heaven & earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. 34: But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkeness, & cares of this life, & that Day come on you unexpectedtly. 35: For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36: Watch therefore, & pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, & to stand before the Son of Man.” Jesus gives us the prayer, thank you Jesus.. Blessings!

  7. Sorry Marianne, but as usual, this is one of the biggest loads of crap I’ve ever seen. No science, no truth, nothing but crazy theories with no basis in reality.
    It is so messed up I won’t even bother to try to refute it.
    None of this stuff is ever going to happen.
    You have flown off on a bunch of weird tangents and tried to back them up with pseudo-science. To the non-science minded, they even seem well thought out and researched but to me, they are just silly.
    But if they get people thinking about bible prophecy, maybe they might be useful to that end, but not for much more.
    Stuff like this belongs on YouTube but not in a serious discussion of God’s word.

    So there!

  8. I am afraid science doesn’t work like this. You have to fully understand the basics and then slowly build up knowledge. You can’t be given an occurance and then try to work backwards to find a cause or you will end up with pole shifts, million ton comets too small to see, earth suddenly rotating the wrong way etc etc. The bible is the oppisite, no one knows the basics so they just have to believe the whole thing or not. That is why it has to be based on faith and not understanding. As for the science, good luck with that even the scientists don’t understand what is going on….. as for the economy, good luck with that even the economists don’t understand wha is going on:)

  9. And then after all is said, why should true followers of Jesus be alarmed at all these things, they can only kill the body, and we are much, much more than the body, we were created in the image of Father. The Word says we should only fear Him who can kill both spirit and soul. Nothing can hurt us except Father, and why should He want to do that to His children? Would you as parents do that to your children? We have the assurance that Father will never leave us nor forsake us, that there is nothing or nobody that can pull us out of His right hand. Jesus conquered death, so it has no more power over us. We are free indeed. Woe to them that does not believe, they are the ones to be surely perplexed about all the things that will come upon the earth. Come Lord Jesus Come with Your Power and Might !! What a glorious prospect.

  10. Well,

    This post was about how something could physically happen, not that it would happen.

    There is no fear here, since it is just a matter of a time change, and curiosity.

    So, theoretically, how could the sun suddenly go “down” at noon in a physical way?

    How could it one moment appear to be noon, and then 8 hours later?

    How it actually might happen, I leave up to God.

  11. OK here is the science, as long as people realise that Johan’s comment is correct. The Earth is tilted on its axis 24 degrees. It tilts towards the sun at dec 21 and away from the sun at june 21 (n pole tha is). If the Earth looses its tilt and ‘wobbles like a drunkard’ then all these statements above are possible. In your diag. Jerusalem (approx 30 deg north) will go up (assuming this happens on dec 21) and will eventually be in the ‘shade’. Why this could happen? Well either a loss of the earths mag field would disrupt the axis tilt or a passing body. This would also cause the heavens to ‘run riot’ and the stars to fall as viewed from earth.

  12. Correction it tilts away from the sun dec 21 and towards the sun june 21.

  13. Marianne, you’ve provoked some good thought about the temporary nature of our existence on this earth by reminding of how easily it can destruct.
    Re 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    God will uncreate the temporal world…at some point…before He sets in place His eternal New Jerusalem (Rev. chapter 21). When He uncreates the earth, it will revert back to Genesis 1:2 ‘without form and void’…meaning it is not there.

    I believe it is possible that many of the geological, ecological, and so forth, things mentioned in connection with the End are directly related to the natural laws of the universe being superseded, neutralized by the incomprehensible supernatural powers of God throne at the Second Coming when time comes for Him to say, ‘it is finished.’

    In the following verse as the Sixth Seal is opened…the earth is shaking violently, the sun is become black as sackcloth of hair, stars are falling from heaven, sky is being pulled apart as a scroll by the hand of God to reveal Christ. It is the Second Coming and the Sealing of the Saints/Gathering of the Church to safety with Christ. The earth would certainly shake violenty if gravity and the vast other natural laws were ceased. The poles would cease to function, plates would no longer hold together, and so forth. Fusion would cease to fire the sun. Gravitational pull would no longer hold the stars and planets in place.

    Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    I don’t think these things will happen before the Second Coming since those in darkness will be saying ‘peace and safety’, Mystery Babylon will be enjoying her lusty abundances, and His return will greatly surprise those not looking for Him… as a ‘thief in the night’. It seems that all the geological and universal events are related to the return of Christ.

    • hi internet elias

      it is true that God could just wave his hand and all things would come to pass.

      however, since he invented the laws of nature, it is also possible that he would use what is already his to accomplish his will.

  14. “The earth shall wobble like a drunkard”. If this is the case and the days are shortened by the earth rotating 1/3 faster the prediction of, “if the days were not shortened man would not survive”. Also, it’s the only way the 1260 days and 1260 days before Jesus returns, could be fulfilled. 18 hour days makes sence, what do you think?
    Phil Nelson

    • hi Phil

      That is also a plausible explanation. It is obvious that God is doing something to change time as we would know it.

        1 In those days Uriel answered and said to me, Behold, I have showed you all things, O Enoch;

        2 And all things have I revealed to you. You see the sun, the moon, and those which conduct the stars of heaven, which cause all their operations, seasons, and arrivals to return.

        “3 In the days of sinners THE YEARS SHALL BE SHORTENED.”

        4 Their seed shall be backward in their prolific soil; and everything done on earth shall be subverted, and disappear in its season. The rain shall be restrained, and heaven shall stand still.

        5 In those days the fruits of the earth shall be late, and not flourish in their season; and in their season the fruits of the trees shall be withholden.

        6 The moon shall change its laws, and not be seen at its proper period. But in those days shall heaven be seen; and barrenness shall take place in the borders of the great chariots in the west. Heaven shall shine more than when illuminated by the orders of light; while many chiefs among the stars of authority shall err, perverting their ways and works.

        7 Those shall not appear in their season, who commanded them, and all the classes of the stars shall be shut up against sinners.

        8 The thoughts of those who dwell on the earth shall transgress within them; and they shall be perverted in all their ways.

        9 They shall transgress, and think themselves (85) gods; while evil shall be multiplied among them.

        (85) Themselves. Or, “them” i.e., the chiefs among the stars (vs. 6) (Knibb, p. 186).

        10 And punishment shall come upon them, so that all of them shall be destroyed.

        The possibilities with God are endless.

  15. Thee will be no time as we know it as there will be nothing to measure it by. ie No sun just constant light (His light), no moon or stars and no precession. and no ageing. Oh and no pensions (but that is true already 🙂

  16. I read somethin interesting the other day pertaining to the sun going down at noon….
    Rev 14-6…And I saw another angel fly in the MIDST OF HEAVEN, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
    God told men to preach the Gospel… never did he tell angels to do it…

    I believe this angel is mohammed’s angel with his gospel that is being preached in the entire world… I think this gospel causes the men who shine forth as the SUN lose the light of the sun and it becomes blackness when they accept the cursed koran…I think this is the real meaning of the sun going down at noon or becoming black at noon…

    The hebrew meaning of the words MIDST OF HEAVEN means high noon..This angels flying through the midst of Heaven is the key to understand this parable…”

    .1) mid-heaven

    2) the highest point in the heavens, which the sun occupies at noon, where what is done can be seen and heard by all

    Zech 5-1,3 speaks of a FLYING book that goes over the entire earth and is a curse…

    Gal 1-8 Though we or AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN preach any other gospel let him be ACCURSED…

  17. theres going to be alot of surprised people,when they find out the lord ment just what he said,when he said i WILL make the sun go down at noon.he also said I’LL turn the world UPSIDE DOWN. At what time will that happen, thats right you guested it,AT NOON! they will go from noon to midnight In one hour! POLE SHIFT 180 degree roll,from noon to midnight in one hour! think about it,there was alot said about this event.

  18. I understand that on the Friday Christ died , the Sun was eclipsed by the Moon, so that under darkness Christ died on the Cross . Jesus was conceived during a Passover Week on a Friday and born in December, and then died on a Friday when the Sun and Moon which regulates Jewish Calendars were in a unique time of appointments . Every fiftieth years, the Jews would extend Passover Week to Eight Days, waiting for Easter Sunday, which was the Vernal Equinox , the spring day of equal daytime and night time lengths , but also it was when there would be a full moon showing the whole night before, so that there was minimum darkness and it would be the longest protracted time of celestial light, the Sun and the reflected light from the Full Moon . This was the beginning of Time itself the First Day and often called the Feast of Fruits. The High Priest would begin the normal Passover Week and watch the moon, when the full moon needed an extra day to be full and await the Easter Sunday Sunrise, led by the Morning Star of Venus, the Priest would do something similar to our way of calling for a “Leap Year” extra day. they would repeat the Sabbath Day or the Saturday, making it doubled up , so that the agreement of the Moon as Full would shine all night long before the Easter Sunrise on the Vernal Equinox to produce the conditions of the First Day of Creation.
    It was during such a Passover Week that Christ died on a Friday, when the Moon, getting into alignment for the Unity , happened to also cause a Solar Eclipse by the Moon , being full over the city of Jerusalem , making that particular Eight Day Passover Week even more unusual. So Christ died during the Friday afternoon Darkness, caused by the Eclipse and was entombed before the Sun returned , Then Christ was in the tomb for two Saturday Shabbats ,back to back , making that Three Days passing in terms of light and darkness, 1. Friday Eclipse 2. First Saturday Preparation Day added to the week 3. Official Saturday Sabbath Day where the Moon would then appear in Full that night, when Sunday or First Day begins with the Moon Full and city in light, and then Sunday Morning as the Morning Star of Venus peered above the Horizon the Horns would sound because the Patriarchal Sun was about to rise, marking the beginning of the First Day, when the Temple Priests reset all Calenders to figure out all the Feast Days for the next 49 years.
    So Christ was laid to rest on one day caused by the Eclipse on Friday afternoon, then remained in the tomb during two back to back repeated Saturdays, one a Special Day of Preparation and the other the Official Sabbath, and then the Moon was full and shone all night long, until the task was given to the Morning Star and then the Sun rose on Easter Morning. It would be that Christ rose with the Morning Star, Then as the day shone by the Sun, the day of the Vernal Equinox, our Easter,that the women went to the Tomb to find Jesus was risen.
    Again, Jesus died during a Friday afternoon eclipse in Jerusalem, an offical “Night” put in the tomb, the Sun came back until Sundown and then
    two Saturdays were permitted by the High Priest to align the Full Moon and Morning Star to give that Sunday , starting from the evening before, in Jewish terms of the day beginning at sundown a First Day where the most ever light ever shone over Jerusalem. From Saturday Evening the Full Moon shone, all night until the Morning Star ,until the Rising Sun for Sunday and then ended that Sunday Night, No other day had as much natural celestial lighting than what is called the First Day, and the Feast of First Fruits, which we called Easter, joining the pagan customs with the Jewish customs to mark a most unique day ever.

    • carmine

      where did you get this information?

    • Jesus died on a Wednesday, was put into Joseph’s tomb just as sun the was setting so those who buried Him could be home before the beginning of the Sabbath. There are seven special Sabbaths throughout the year called “High Sabbaths”, in addition to the weekly Friday evening to Saturday evening Sabbaths. While looking up the details so I could share them with you, I came across this great piece by a man named “Grady Daniels”:


      But if He was crucified the day before the Sabbath, how could He have been crucified on Wednesday? The answer lies in the fact that the Jews celebrated more Sabbaths than just the weekly Sabbath. They had a number of feast days that were “High Sabbaths,” or high days. He arose on the first day of the week after the Sabbaths* (plural). Sometime after 6 p.m. Saturday, end of the Jewish day, in Matthew 28:1 we read; “In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.”

      The Scofield Reference Bible (1917 ed.) has a center column note which reveals that “Sabbath” in this verse is plural; from the Greek word “sabbata.” (Also in Young’s Analytical Concordance) The day after the crucifixion was not the regular (Saturday) Sabbath but a Special (“High” – Greek, “megas”, large) Sabbath.
      John 19:31 states, “The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.”

      The Jews observed several “high” Sabbaths (“holy convocations”) in their seasons. Leviticus 23:3-6; “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.”

      The first Jewish month (Nisan or Abib) is our April. The Feast of the Passover (a high Sabbath) and the Feast of the Unleavened Bread (another high Sabbath) were celebrated on April 14th and 15th respectively.

      The day Jesus died was the preparation day (Wednesday) of the Passover celebration on Thursday (John 19:14, 31: “And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he (meaning Pilate) saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!” This was the morning of the crucifixion day. Verse 31 states, “The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.”

      Therefore, Passover (Nisan 14) was on Thursday, that year, the Feast of Unleavened Bread began on Friday (seven day feast last to Nisan 21), and the regular weekday Sabbath was on Saturday. Jesus was crucified in the morning on Wednesday and placed in the tomb before 6 P.M. He arose from the grave sometime after 6 P.M. on Saturday, which would be early Sunday morning, the first day of the week, according to Jewish time-keeping. This explanation fits Jesus’ prophecy in Matthew 12:40 that He would be “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”


      The women purchased spices “after the Sabbath” or the Passover (Nisan 14 – Thursday) which would have been Friday as Mark 15:42 and Luke 23:52-54 state. They would not have broken the Law and purchased anything on the Day of the Passover, or the regular Sabbath on Saturday. Luke 23:56 says they returned and prepared the spices and “rested on the Sabbath” which was the regular Sabbath on Saturday. Then on the first day of the week, Sunday morning they went to the tomb to prepare the body.


      If Jesus was born in 5 BC (The Bible Almanac, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1980) and if He died about at 33 years of age, that would fix his death around 29 AD. The first Roman calendar was off four (4) years. Today’s calendar is a product of the Julian & Gregorian calendars. There was a 1 BC and a 1 AD but there was no “0” between BC and AD. Counting 33 years forward from His birth in 5 BC would fix his death in 29 AD.

      Herod the Great, who ordered the murder of all the babies less that two years old in Bethlehem, died in 4 BC. Therefore Jesus had to be born prior to his death and therefore Jesus probably was born in 5 BC or earlier. (Matt. 2:13-16)

      Those special Sabbaths, Feast of the Passover and Feast of the Unleavened Bread, occurred on the 14th and 15th of the first month of the Jewish calendar (about our April). Leviticus 23:5, 6 states, “In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.”

      According to Encyclopedia Britannica the 14th day of Nisan ( also called Abar “green ears of corn”) (Easter 3:7), corresponding to parts of March and April in the year of Christ’s crucifixion was the same as our April 7 on our calendar. ( Julian and Gregorian calendars) The Perpetual Calendar [also from Encyclopedia Britannica] shows that the 14th day of Nisan, 29 AD (Passover), fell on Thursday. Hence, it would be followed by the Feast of the Unleavened Bread on the 15th (Friday), and the regular weekday Sabbath (Saturday). Jesus would have therefore been crucified on Wednesday the 13th. (Information sources were many, including commentaries of the late Evangelist Dr. Oliver B. Greene; Dakes’s Annotated Reference Bible, and the article “Sabbaths All In A Row” by Maret H. Dinsmore, Litt. D., Th.D., in The Biblical Evangelist, Vol. 18, No. 8, April 13, 1984, along with research by this writer.)

      Passover was on 14th day of the first month of the Jewish calendar, or Nisan (Abib) 14th no matter what day in the week it fell on as the follow passages attest:

      Exodus 23:15 Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:)

      Exodus 34:18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

      Deuteronomy 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the Passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

      Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S Passover.

      Numbers 9:5 And they kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the first month at even in the wilderness of Sinai: according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did the children of Israel.

      Numbers 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the LORD.

      Joshua 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

      2 Chronicles 35:1 Moreover Josiah kept a Passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the Passover on the fourteenth day of the first month.

      This is the only view that fits the biblical account is that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and buried before 6:00 PM that day. The Jewish day began at 6:00 PM which was the Passover (Nisan 14). Therefore the Passover began on Wednesday after 6:00 PM which would actually be Thursday in the Julian calendar. The women bought the spices on Friday, rested on Saturday and went on Sunday morning after 6:00 AM and found the Lord was resurrected. This is the series of events and is accord with Jesus’ states of Matthew 12:38-40. Jesus was in the grave three full days and three nights. Any other view violates the biblical account and the historical facts.”
      -Grady Daniels

      Just wanted to point out how the words of Jesus mean exactly what they say, and when He said He would be in the grave for three days and three nights, he meant exactly that, three sunset-to-sunset, literal 24-hour periods.

  19. Hi good evening to all of you HEAVEN AWAITS fallowers. You guys may find my insights some kind of shocking but all I can say that has put me right in this right place so that I could warn people of the event that is about to happen. Maybe I am wrong and I hope I am. But the proof is so much that I just can’t pass it and keep it to myself. The alignment of earth,elenin and sun is a mega event. The last alignment cause the japan earthquake and several volcanos started acting up. Now take that again but now with our sun in the trio at a close range, the result will be the sun starting acting up and suddenly exploding like a huge volcano itself. I am not saying that the whole sun will explode but a litle small section of it,. One can draw a line between the core of the earth and the core of elenin and core of the sun to determine the exact time that this event is suppouse to happen in order to determine which side of the earth will be facing the sun at that time and therefore to determine which areas will be directly affected. This alignment will last for 5 minutes. That’s how I came by observing the last japan earthquake. This Elening can cause this because is a star of some kind. dead or dwarf or blue is still a star. This event has happened before with Sodom and Gomorrah. Well I calculated the birth of abraham and came up to 4,000 years. Then take away 3,600 years from Elenin last time trip . You end up with 400 years and that was Abraham age at that time minus some margin of error. Coincidence?
    Not I dont think so. All the prediction of the bible will then take place such as FIRE AND BRICKSTONE FALLING FROM THE SKY. Fire of great proportion will darken the whole earth as to cause the optical illusion as 1/3 of the starts of heaven gone and the moon likewise. As far as the sun is concerned by blowing a top of its section, most likely will not shine as usual for awhile untill the sun repairs by itself and goes to business as usual again. This probably will teach scientist how the sun operates. The sun has been the subject of a lot worship and fear from ancient times. People even tried human sacrifices in order to apeace it. Why???. One can only wonder… Think about if you search the bible that eventhough Abraham and Lot were separated that means living in diferent places and towns, they both survived by finding refuge in caves. God is so merciful so merciful that He found mercy in the poor and sick. Because all of those were the ones who lived to see another. The poor and the sick were segragated in caves. I hope I can help you more, GOD BLESS YOU.

    • hi jose

      some feel that elenin is nibiru and some feel that it is a small comet and nibiru is the “big one” to watch for. I just read that elenin was breaking up. have you heard that?

      • Hi Marianne , Yes I heard of Elenin breaking up. For the sake the manking I hope it did, But Its presence is still on all instruments. As a matter of fact its pool atraction is still growing as is comming closer to the sun and earth. I wouldn’t put down my guard.

      • Elenin was struck by a coronal mass ejection as it circled the sun (I saw the images: it was pretty cool). There are also images which indicated it had some kind of tetrahedral shield around it, but it was most likely a photographic artifact.
        Another issue of interest is a type 1A supernova detonated in the constellation of Ursa major recently which can be seen with a good set of binoculars.

    • Genesis 25:7 says that Moses lived to be 175 years old, not 400. The flood happened roughly 2350 B.C., and Abraham was born roughly 1976 B.C., some 375 years or so later. According to the Bible, the earth is just about 6000 years old. This “3600 year cycle” is nonsense, because to scientifically prove a theory, the event must repeat itself. It hasn’t. The Earth isn’t old enough to have gone through a 3,600-yr cycle. I’d like to address the activity of celestial happenings during the Sodom and Gomorrah event. Archaeologists today have now found the location of Sodom and Gomorrah. The VERY LOCAL grounds of the region are littered with pieces of brimstone and what have said to be lava rock. This phenomenon is localized to a very small mile radius, meaning, it literally rained down fire and brimstone from heaven, exactly as the Bible states, and destroyed the two cities. Not the surrounding towns, villages, regions, only those two cities. If this- let’s see, “Nibiru/Nemesis/Marduk/Destoyer/Planet X/Red Kachina/(ELEnin now?)” were to have been as catastrophic as some of the doomsayers claim, in the past, first of all- it would have been more like a 3900+-yr cycle, as Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed in roughly 3925 years ago, not 3600. In a world that is only 6000 years old, 325 years is a HUGE margin of error. The devastation the world would have seen back then would have rendered it nearly unlivable as a planet. That is, according to the doomsdayers. 350mph winds, sudden pole shifts, tsunamis, volcanoes, disease, famine, war- yes, these will all happen in the last days, but not because of a brown dwarf star, a comet, and invisible planet, etc… In fact, the Bible says that in the very last days, people will still be partying, marrying, exchanging gifts and holding celebrations around the world- hardly a scene of total devastation. Those days of devastation will come after the two witnesses have been put to death, left to lie in the streets for all the world to see. What follows in the next 3 days will be the shaking of the planet, as Jesus draws near, preparing to call up His people to Himself.

      We must be careful whose words we listen to and believe. Everything we hear must match up to God’s Word- line upon line, precept upon precept.

      • hi Angela

        I am not sure about the 3600 year thing either. This post looked at different possible causes of the physical disasters described in the bible. The real cause of the disasters is man’s sin and unrepentant nature.

  20. I believe the Mayan “prophesy” (2012) is demonic…

    • hi Ina

      The mayan calendar represents satan’s plans, not God’s, but it is wise to know the plans of the enemy, to fight against it, and know to prepare for it.

  21. It not such a good news. Contrary what people think, the dimming in its light may constitute a transformation in its instructure as it gets closer to sun. We don’t know much about it. I can only guess that if it does destroys by itself it was only a comet which I doubt it because of the electromagnetic pull. If it doesn’t then it is very clear that we are talking about a neutron star. Also if it is a neutron star that is collapsing, scientist says, its a collapse of a neutron star which creates a black hole. According to the book of Enoch, it describes an event that gives the impression of the end of earth and the whole planetary system by a black whole at the end of the book. Either way, I am going pray for the goodness of mankind.

  22. For the past month I’ve been up to my eyes in Elenin and the associated topics. From all my reading/reviews – I suggest watching the following links to YouTube.

    Please watch these links. YouTube media provides graphic/video to a very complex subject. Times like these – gather news/information from various sources. Then, you can decide what to believe as truth, speculation, conjecture or propaganda.

    Here is the best short presentation on Elenin: astronomy and scripture in one Youtube post.

    The presentation is very unprofessional, but he loves the Lord and knows his materials. Please watch all the way through until the end.

    Did you know that in the 90s the movie “Sudden Impact” presents the current Elenin? Surreal. Watch this clip and wonder if Hollywood received some message from a source other than John’s and Amos’.

    Now, for the punch line – September 29 and 30 are significant feasts days.

    The first YouTube link above suggests a connection between heavenly signs, end times and feasts. This YouTube link gives an excellent lesson on the “wedding feast”. This is pure scriputure teaching on a relavent subject – His return!

    If you want a non-biblical assessment of Elenin here are two of the best.

    Now, consider Zephaniah, in particular chapter 2. This book holds “Day of the Lord” and “End of the Age” scriptures. It presents details (seacoasts) of what is coming very soon. Please read Zephaniah beginning to end very slowly.

    By the way, I did not go searching for prophetic words in the OT or for any scriptures to support Elenin. When I read the few chapters, I did not expect this little book (minor prophet?) to write like Joel or Amos.

    The Lord pointed my friend to read Zeph. three weeks ago. We read it together and gave thanks to the Lord for His Word.

    In my opinon, Elenin is not just a comet. It is a sign from the Lord. It (comet/planet/brown dwarf) will produce great change upon the earth. Rapture? Maybe. The End of the Age is upon us.

    1948 (Nation) + 70 years (Generation) = 2018. 2018 – 7 = 2011. Simple math. Signs in the heavens are there. Events that bring seals 1-3 to open are evident.

    Zep 2:3 “Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden In the day of the LORD’s anger.”

    He is coming soon and will take away (save) his bride from the coming wrath.

  23. For all of you Heaven awaits fallowers. There maybe hard times coming up but it’s not the end of times. At least not yet. There are still several prophesies in the bible that needs to be fulfilled. God is not a lier or a person that changes his mind and decides to skip things. So don’t forget to keep paying your bills and going to school and feeding your pupies. Be good to your parents. Don’t let anger take control of your actions while driving. As well as; with any stranger you meet in the streets, including the parking maid meeter and the abusive police. Forgive everybody that keeps your mind distressed such as your ex being with someone else. Loosing your job for simple excuses and all your anemies in general who try to confuse you in order to move you away from the grace of the Lord. Vanities . Dont’t only forgive them but also love them. If you can do all of that, you’ll be called CHILDREN OF GOD. Pure at heart….And one last thing we are sorrounded by vanities all over. Materials things can run your life and then make you a different person. Don’t let that happens to you. It’s ok to enjoy the finest things that life can offer. But not with blood and suffering of others or with a credit card that you can’t efford or just simply to impress others, looking for the acceptance needed and lying to yourself and loosing all that is of God for we can not serve 2 Lords.

  24. James 4 and 5 apply now more than ever. Pay attention to 5:7-9. In this hour …”confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another that ye may be healed. The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much” (vs 16).

  25. Marianne, recently I had two dreams. One was where after what seemed an extended night, the sun rose in the west. In the other, I saw the sun and another object also brightly shining but both of them in the north.

    • gyod

      You were looking at the pole shift prophesied in Isaiah. where the lord would turn the world upside down and create a large world wide earthquake.

      the other object is nibiru, or planet x as the government calls it.

      it is large fiery object and may send down a meteor shower.

      when it passes, its south pole will pull on our north pole, and pull the earth around with it as it passes.

      it will also cause a huge global earthquake due to gravitational pull and the sun will rise in the west. at least it will look that way due to the earth being tiled

      things will be backwards for several days until it clears our position in space.

  26. What if the 1/3 of the light is extinguished due to the large corneal hole on the Sun? Thus, 1/3 less light to bounce off moon/other starts. We’re seeing a large hole in the sun right now due to pole shift that could potentially change the way we receive light on earth. In fact, with a pole shift I’d imagine the orbits planets take could change, perhaps that is how the day will be shortened?

    • j

      that might be a contributing factor, but as I look outside, I cannot see a difference.

      in this case I think the sun would have to be blocked in some way, like an eclipse… a planet, moon, or object out there crossing in front of it

  27. As to a the day shone not for a third part of it and the night likewise. Rev 8:12 . It is my belief that the earth will shift its poles and the rotation of the earth will appear to be in the opposite direction. This will also cause all the disasters described in all the various scriptures. Have you ever spun a wheel on a bike? if the wheel wobbled it was un balanced. It also puts of a air current close to the rotation. similar to what the earth does creating our athmosphere. It is my opinion that the earth will appear to change in rotation or maybe actually change rotation. So how do you loose a third part of the day and a third of the night? remember God says he will shake the earth to and fro like a drunkard. He will turn the mountains upside down. He will move the mountains and the islands from their places. Here is what im getting at. The earth will spped up in rotation changing mans account of time and shorten our normal 24 hour day to possibley a 16 hour day. or you can add 1/3 and 1/3 and it would equal 2/3 of a 24 hour period could be lost. which would mean we would only have 8 hours per day compared to our 24 hour day. Now let me give you scripture that will support this. God says for the Elects sake he will shorten the tribulation period. Now we know God is all knowing so why would he change his word and cut tribulation from 7 years? Would he not already know he was going to do it? yes he knew and this is to cause true believers to question why he would state this. To make you search for the reason he is going to do it and what it means. He wants to draw attention to this!!!! He knew he would shorten time but wanted true watchmen to seek the reason for this and tie the events together!!!! SO here it is. Mark 13:14-37 Mathew 24:21-51 Zechariah 13:7-9 Luke 21. There are many references to this but understanding them all is not meant for all. For he shall give stron delusion to those toward the end. Are we not seeing the change in our Nation, The world. Christians on the list of know terrorist because of faits, Christians killed in Egypt and many other countries for our faith. Countries our Government gives money to in order to try to control them. Or the recent agreement between the United States and Iran. We have forsaken Israel by entering into this agreement with a country who swears to wipe israel from the map. How about Obama planting a tree in the garden of the prim ministers place in Israel calling it the seeds of peace. a tree wich was from the seeds of the white house garden. How about Gay marriages being performed by the church and forced by the government to accept this as a normal union. How about forced healthcare. The ones who believe in Christ forced in supporting millions who dont deserve help because of their non belief and supporting of a lie. Our govenrment giving our riches that built this country away to those who are against God. We are very close to the return of Christ but do not forget the anti christ comes first and cuases all but the elect to be decieved in believing he is Christ. Do not fall for all the free things our government and President are giving away at the expense of your freedom. At the expense of accepting the imoral and abomination acts. What a coincidence are presidents last name is obama. The abomination of desolation standing where it ought not be is the start of many woes. How about the spelling of abomination To this ” The OBAMA NATION” standing where it ought not be!!!!! Danial 11: 31-35 Or Danial 12: 11 Or Matthew 24: 13-15….Do you see the signs, Are you Ready to Fight aginst the false one? WIll you spread Gods word? Or will you just give in because it is comfortable. There is no Rapture, There is however a gathering together of Gods people after the Tribulation Period Of Five Months. For the elects sake. God Bless and dont take my word or any mans word for the truth of the bible, you must study it for yourself. Asking God for understanding and to open your heart and not harden it. Time is short my friend so get with it!!!!!

  28. According to this article:
    Reported history and “facts” about Nibiru

    1. Nibiru was first spotted in space on December 30, 1983.

    2. Mayans have been one of the greatest astronomers of all time, creating the first accurate calendar and making star charts. The Mayan Long Calendar has shown that the last day is December 21, 2012, the day that scientists believe that Nibiru’s effect will affect earth. The worst will come on Valentine’s Day, 2013. Nibiru will stop affecting us on July 1, 2014.

    3. Hurricanes and winds will be up to 350 mph. Tsunamis can reach 3 miles high.

    Nibiru is about 50 times bigger than our Earth. The gravity of it can affect our earth drastically, causing a Pole Shift.
    So scientists believed that Nibiru would pass the earth on Dec 21, 2012 eh? The worst on Feb 14, 2013. Gee, I seem to have missed all of that.
    Well, I did say this was total nonsense, and I was right, again.
    I came, I scoffed, I conquered.
    Another theory that went nowhere.

    • jim

      scientists cannot predict the date god will do anything.

      • Who said they could?
        Or even want to.
        But you have “researchers” like John who believe they can calculate a date thru mathematics and astronomy. Soon it will be obvious that math and science will not work, just as you said.
        So, why did you post these words if you knew the “scientists” (You Tube idiots really) could not possibly predict the event you posted?
        Do you see the contradiction here?

        • you do not know the background of anyone putting up a video.

          everyone is entitled to an opinion, even you, so john can post an opinion, and you can disagree with it.

          • You’ve just stated my concern. Unlike network broadcasters like Walter Cronkite and Barbara Walters (and remember Walter Winchell?) you have no idea of any anonymous person hiding behind the internet can be trusted for anything they say. They can lie all they want and not be punished. Tom Brokaw lost his long-time job over misremembering something from years ago. You could never get away with printing lies in today’s watchful society – except from the unregulated internet.
            Do you think people should be allowed to yell, “FIRE” in a crowded theater? It is a crime. Yet some You Tube idiot can tell billions of people all around the world that a planet is about to hit the earth, plus a meteor and a comet, and scare the shirt off millions of people, some maybe jumping out of windows to their deaths. And don’t laugh at that – it happened in the 30’s when xxx broadcast a performance of George Orwell’s “War of the Worlds” on the radio on Halloween night… with disclaimers.
            So I consider these pranksters as dangerous to society. I believe they should police these people just as they look for ISIS sites trying to convert gullible people to their cause and those sites who teach bomb making etc.
            And it is people like some here that encourage these idiots to keep posting more and more crap. They are evil and you are sanctioning it. Satan has gotten into your minds and has fooled you into believing these lies.
            Or maybe you’re just too lazy to do some studying. Anyway, you will regret these choices in the near future and then you too will look like liars.
            I’ve been trying to set you an the path of truth for years now, but few have listened.
            The rest will feel foolish.

  29. This post is just to stir Jim up a bit (Hi Jim!).

    The reason the sun could go down at noon, and the reason the sun could stand still over Gibeon (see Joshua 10:13) is because everyone buys into modern science, but modern science is NOT correct. Take a look at a few of the videos I put on my new website at and see if they don’t have you scratching your head.

    I really don’t have any position on this one way or the other, but I do think it’s pretty interesting.

  30. Hey, I grew up knowing about the Flat Earth Society. Many of the astronomy books I read as a kid (I read every one in my school library, at least once) there was a humorous mention of it.
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    A flat Earth model depicting Antarctica as an ice wall surrounding a disk-shaped Earth.
    Pseudoscientific flat Earth hypotheses originated with the English writer Samuel Rowbotham (1816–1884). Based on his conclusions derived from the Bedford Level experiment, Rowbotham published a 16-page pamphlet, Zetetic Astronomy, which he later expanded into a 430-page book, Earth Not a Globe, in which the Earth is a flat disc centred at the North Pole and bounded along its southern edge by a wall of ice (Antarctica), with the Sun and Moon 3,000 miles (4,800 km) and the “cosmos” 3,100 miles (5,000 km) above Earth. He also published a leaflet entitled “The inconsistency of Modern Astronomy and its Opposition to the Scriptures!!”, which argued that the “Bible, alongside our senses, supported the idea that the earth was flat and immovable and this essential truth should not be set aside for a system based solely on human conjecture”.
    Now I would like any of you who actually believe this theory to please let us all know. Come on… raise your hands kids!
    I didn’t think so.
    But you have helped to prove my point… that many YouTube videos are posted by either true idiots (if they actually believe what they’re saying) or simply liars. You see, it is all in what they are saying and what you personally know to be true. If you don’t know that much about the topic, then you are at a great disadvantage. And until you take the time to study those subjects you will never be able to tell if what you are reading or watching is true or not.
    So how faithful are you to God that you would take time to learn the truth?
    Maybe guessing is good enough for God.

    • How are things for you Jim? It appears to be open season on Cops. Did you read that info on the Harris country deputy?

      First they came for the Cops?

      • Say what?
        Are you trying to infer thet “they” are the Jade Helm people, or the FEMA killers? Or Satan’s minions?
        And how is it related to to this topic? Or to prophecy?
        Are you O.K?

    • This thread is called Sun goes down at noon – Science? So yes Jim, I do think the scriptural answer to this is possibly a flat earth viewpoint, even if I’m not totally on one side or the other at this stage.

      There is more evidence for it than a Wikipedia quote indicates. Wikipedia is not without bias either. Here’s one of several channels worth looking at on the subject:

      • nice,
        The laws of physics dictate that any object over a certain size (mass) will be pulled into a sphere by gravity. That is why we never see a square planet or star. The limit is relatively small – less than 100 miles across, so the earth must comply. Even without satellites to show us we know the earth curves away from us by watching ships sailing away. They disappear gradually until only the top of the mast is visible. Ancient mariners observed this all the time but they couldn’t prove it was because the earth was round, but they knew it instinctually.
        As for satellites, they could not orbit a flat object. The orbital calculations could not be made and they would either crash or fly off into space at some point shortly after launch.
        And if the earth was flat then Amelia Earhart would have reported it when she flew around the world, as would many pilots since.
        So maybe that Malaysian 777 that disappeared last year flew off the edge of the earth. Perhaps they are alive living on the back side. But isn’t that where all the magma hangs out? Something has to be back there but the problem is every time someone tries to go there they end up on the opposite side of the same side, perhaps by magic.
        You need to explain these facts and of course nobody can… except for that magic thing.
        That website you referred to is funny. No science, just cool but incorrect graphics, Funny he described and “equator” but such a line only divides a sphere into two equal halves. So I can tell he is just making stuff up. And of course he states that he does not actually believe in this theory, he is only reporing how those who do believe try to explain it “scientifically.”
        Interesting that he himself does not want anyone to think that he is so stupid as to actually believe this crap. Most other posts I’ve seen all say the same thing. They want their viewers to believe it but they don’t admit it for themselves.
        And the same is true for all the other You Tube idiots I’ve dealt with. They don’t really believe what they say, because they make it all up, but they want the suckers who watch their videos to believe.
        What a bunch of wankers!

  31. You make it sound like planets ‘evolved’ from the laws of science. I don’t believe this.

    I don’t bow to the high priesthood of science because it’s anti-God and it’s a mixture of truth and error.

    Also your comments about ships sailing over the horizon, satellites, and flying round the world show you never watched the videos on which provide good evidence to refute your viewpoint and challenge a big part of what most people believe. In fact they make the majority viewpoint look stupid.

    The things you think you know are simply not so.

    • I watched the videos and several more and all I found was pseudo-science and lies. One spoke of a spherical air bubble of atmosphere, like an inverted glass bowl. But if the earth were flat, the atmosphere would also be flat – rising to the same height over the entire plane of the earth. The only reason the atmosphere is curved is because it floats over a curved surface.
      The idiots don’t even understand how gravity works.
      Of course all they have to do is claim that all science is wrong and that his theories are based on “true” science that only a few people on earth actually understand. He also uses bogus photography to make some points, such as the sun getting physically smaller as it reaches the horizon, but he fails to use the proper exposure in the camera to correctly image the sun.
      Also note that he debunks all Nibiru reports as being a reflection off of the “sky dome” rather than lens flare. So there.
      He doesn’t understand astronomy, physics nor photography. He is using his imagination to try to explain things he can’t understand, just as the ancients did for thousands of years, He is stuck in the dark ages.
      I’m sure he is having a load of fun fooling gullible people who can not reconcile the physical laws of God with the bible.
      But being stupid will not earn you any rewards in heaven.

      • Hmm, I notice you didn’t come back and answer the rebuttal about ships over the horizon, satellites, and flying around the world.

        Some of these other things have plausible answers, and in my opinion, some don’t. Which still leaves the subject open.

        • I didn’t watch those rebuttals. I had the Sun-Dog Sky Dome rebuttal on for an hour last night. I can’t believe it took him so long to rebut one simple phenomenon which I have photographed many times so I know exactly what they are and they are nothing like the complicated explanation he put forth. That told me he was just another You Tube idiot with no knowledge of science or a complete liar.
          So any other rebuttals would be done using non-scientific methods and explanations that use more imagination than reality.
          I’ll bet he didn’t try to rebut the fact that earthquake waves can be tracked around the globe as they pass thru the core of the earth. These waves and their refraction thru the earth’s core (which could not exist on a flat earth and there would be no volcanism or plate tectonics on a flat plane) prove that the shape of the earth can only be a sphere.
          And why is earth the only flat planet? What physical forces and laws cause the material to form a flat planet? There are none which is why ALL the planets must be spheres.
          And then there is the fact that we’ve had astronauts on the moon for days at a time watching the earth as it rotated. If the earth were flat like a coin there would have been many times when they would have viesed the earth on its edge and the shape would have been reported to mission control. The only rebuttal to that is that the moon missions were all faked – the hugest scam in the history of mankind. And the same would have to go for anything that was ever sent into space. As I said, you can’t orbit a flat object. So who is the scammers? The Flat Earth Society or the dozens of governments and millions of workers who have been sending things into space for the last 60 years?
          Just because someone rebuts a couple of proofs doesn’t mean they have disproved the totality, and so far, all the rebuttals have been based on pure lies and are not true rebuttals.
          So you can go ahead and believe the earth is flat if it makes you feel good. As long as you don’t need to pilot a plane or launch a satellite you will be fine.
          Just stick your head in a bible and forget learning any other of God’s truths.

  32. As you say, you didn’t watch the rebuttals, so there is no point trying to re-educate you. I admit it’s a losing battle.

    The majority viewpoint on education is almost impossible to beat, NOT because it’s right, but because it’s enforced like THIS:

    • OK, so I watched the tanker video, It was dumb. The ship was moving across the field of view, not directly away. So she ran out of tape before it went over the horizon, so what? There are millions of videos with ships disappearing over the horizon. If the earth was flat then I should be able to see Hawaii from the mountains north of my home. I can barely see Catalina.
      I was in the NAvy. I know about ships. I’ve seen things with my own eves.
      The so-called “proof” was not done scientifically and proves nothing. It is frankly, lame.
      Give me a break. Every so-called proof is nothing more than nonsense with a lot of talk. Its like working with little kids.
      It is not possible to disprove a known fact. People who try only make themselves look like idiots or liars.
      Take your pick.

  33. Jim, don’t be silly. The video you criticize is of a ship NOT disappearing over the horizon, thus proving the point, vs. NO video at all from you – except you SAY without evidence that there are millions of videos of ships disappearing over the horizon, but I think not.

    I know of only ONE Hollywood video showing it, but it’s a fake special effect.

    Also, when you get someone trying to prove a ball earth with a video shot for that purpose, you find no proof whatsoever, and the following video which debunks it:

    By the way, remember I am respecting your point of view, and don’t say it’s wrong. I’m just sayn’ — it’s not nearly as proven as you think.

    • Once again, this is a video of a ship that stayed close enough to shore so that it was visible the whole time. I used to live on the shore of Lake Michigan and I watched many sailboats sailing around all day long, never disappearing over the horizon. I once took a 6 foot skiff with a 6HP motor from Great Lakes Training Center all the way to Chicago. We stayed no more that 1000 yards from shore the whole time and many sailboats were out there the whole time. But the proof was the fact that when we left the Navy Base we could not see the skyline of Chicago – not even the Sears Tower, but as we got closer we could see the top of the tower, then more and more appeared as we got closer. If the earth were flat we should have been able to see the tower from our barracks. After all it is the tallest building in the US.
      So I proved the curved earth from a boat, not with a boat. So don’t keep showing generic video of boats and claim they are proof. You would have to have a boat with GPS and satellite radio in constant contact with the shore observer, and traveling straight out to sea, monitored by GPS or plane above. If you don’t do it scientifically then it is not technically proof.
      This video is kid’s stuff. Shame on you.

  34. The video showed the boat hull and sails blurring in an optical illusion. And just like that, it’s possible you thought you saw only the top of the tower the same way, through atmospheric distortion at a distance, making it hard to be scientific, as you say. So your example is not technical proof either.

    Speaking of the horizon, watch this next video from the 4 minutes to about the 8 minutes mark, and then explain to me how the horizon level is even possible on a ball earth.

  35. Listen,
    I have flown from Japan to New York at 35,000 feet. I could not see the coast of California from anywhere over the Pacific until we neared the coast. And from that height you can see the curvature of the earth so there is no doubt of the shape of the planet.
    This video is asinine. All it does is show a change in photographic perspective based on distance. I used to teach this stuff when I was a photography teacher and what they are saying is nonsense. A barking dog makes more sense. And you call it proof. You don’t even understand what they are saying, you just think it proves something.
    Hey, why do you require a flat earth? The bible doesn’t mention it. The flat earthers of today all know they are wrong – have been for 150 years. But they have fun going to meetings and discussing ridiculous theories and ways to confuse gullible people.
    But in today’s world of spacecraft and satellites there is no doubt the earth, like all the other planets is round. So stop trying to pull peoples’ legs around here and get back to serious bible studies.

  36. No matter how high up you go in a plane the horizon rises up to the same level on both sides of the plane, all at the same time, – and you have no problem with those wrong angles?

    You think that to mention this geometry inconsistency is asinine?

    You want to get back to serious Bible study – what is that?

    I would have thought that we (I include myself so as not to be rude) – I thought that we would much rather have preferred to get all our ducks in a row, rather than study the “weightier matters of the law,” such as, let’s say:

    pride (Strong’s Greek word #5243) –

    That would be self-destructive vanity, which would be unteachableness, would it not?

    English definition of pride: a sense of one’s own importance.

    Yep, we can study those things if you’d rather.

    • Well Robert,
      If you really, really need the earth to be flat, then believe these ridiculous videos and be done with it.
      You are either ignorant of science or just so gullible you will believe anything that is on the web.
      Or Both.
      Or maybe you are just pulling my leg and making me work on these videos to keep me busy.
      But I’m done now. If the earth is flat to you then live with it if it makes you happy.
      The rest of us will simply remain sane.

  37. Thanks Jim.

    Note to everyone else:

    If you rise above an infinite plain your horizon will continue to rise with you. However, in theory, if you continue to increase your distance away from a ball, your horizon will fall lower the further away you get. But on the earth it seems that this isn’t so, as proven by numerous YouTube videos – do a simply search like this:

    Jim has decided to keep the solution to this real world puzzle close to his chest, but if you, the reader, know how this secret geometry works, please enlighten the rest of us.

    If you don’t, I have no choice but to take your silence as a vote for the flat earth and a vote against Jim’s secret geometry!

    • Actually, the horizon DOES fall away as you go upwards. But the earth is so large that you won’t notice it until you have risen several miles. The astronauts notice it as do jet pilots who fly at high altitudes.
      The example in the video showed a hill 25 feet away. There it is noticeable, but the horizon doesn’t seem to move because it is so far away. And in any case, the same rules apply to a flat earth, so even if the earth were flat, the horizon would appear in the same matter.
      As I said before it is all just a trick of photographic perspective. The video, once again was not conducted in a scientific manner since the You Tube idiot has no knowledge of the scientific method.
      So there is your explanation. Now go find another lame “proof” of a flat earth.
      No one is buying this stuff.

    • robert

      what about images of the earth from space as a round sphere.?

      • Marianne, there is so much against this it’s hard to know where to start.

        There is strong evidence of Photoshopping to produce these images:

        Some of the first images were faked as they photographed some of the earth with a silhouette looking through round portholes (shown here at about the 35 minute mark):

        Some photos of the earth have stars around them and some don’t.

        It’s shown as round while some scientists say it’s either pear shaped or squat.

        Africa is a different size/shape in different photos. Sorry I don’t have time to find that video right now, you need to do your own research.

        24 hour rotation shots show clouds haven’t moved.

        -Stuff like that.

        If they have to photoshop some of these, what is there to say that they are not ALL fakes?

        • Photoshop was not developed until the early 90’s and then it was primitive. I used to use PS 1.0 – in B&W.
          So any photo released before 1990 could not have been PhotoShopped. They didn’t even have computers that would run such a program back then, The on-board computer they used to land on the moon was less powerful that a modern calculator you can get at any 99 cent store.
          So that idea is completely false. The idea is only thinkable nowadays after PhotoShop has been created. The Conspiracy Theorists forgot to do their research on that one.
          And my dad helped to build the lunar rover. Why would they bother building such a thing if there was no intention to use it? Why not just Photoshop one? Or have Hollywood propmasters make a mockup?
          And why didn’t the Russians put up proof that we rigged everything? They could monitor the radio messages and determone where they were coming from and they had radar capable of tracking our space vehicles Why were they so silent?
          As for the photos, the astronauts used a stock Hasselblad 120 roll film camera which takes a maximum of 20 half-frame images per roll. The film could not be changed in space. In fact all the photographic “evidence” is perfectly understandable to me, but then I’m a former professional photographer and darkroom owner. Mayebe the average viewer might believe them though.
          As for the rest of the video work, I recognize the techniques used. Any movie editor/director who is going to display his work uses the same idea. I’ve done so myself. I see nothing fishy about them. Only the narrator does.
          And with over 100,000 people working on the Apollo project, not a single whistle-blower has come forward.
          And didn’t the later moon landings with better equipment prove we could get there without killing the astronauts in the Van Allen Belt? So I don’t know what she is trying to prove here other than she suggested the US government should shut itself down in shame. If that his her standard then every government that has ever existed on earth.
          Maybe she wants us all to rise up and overthrow the government so her other Brits could move in and take over.
          Yeah… lets all do that – tomorrow. I’m too tired right now.

          • is she = me?

            I am just saying the government has done some deceptive things…we thought it was real, and it wasn’t.

            first moon landing was fake.

            russians do not care, and were not there to see it was fake.

            sandy hook was fake, with crisis actors….

          • Clinging to the belief that NASA went to the moon is the adult version of a child clinging to a belief in Santa Claus.

            Jim you are too emotionally attached to discuss it objectively. The Russian propaganda is also a lie as they are partners in the same scam.

            • That is another conspiracy. The US and Russians w3re actually best of friends during the cold war. The cold war was fust a bunch of hype to fool the rest of the world so that both countries could get away with spending a ton of money on nukes they never planned to use since we were buddies.
              What a hoot! The whole world was fooled.
              And today, the US and all the terrorists are in league with one another so the US could knock down the WTC in order to build a new building that honors Satan and Allah.
              And ISIS can’t wait to take over the world and place Obama in charge as he is a devout Muslim.
              And don’t get me started with space aliens from all over the universe controlling every government on earth. Maybe the Antichrist will be E.T.
              There must be 100,000 different conspiracy theories out there so you can believe one, or all of them if it makes you happy. There was a time when it made people happy to believe that the entire universe spun around the earth and we were the center of everything.
              I’m sure there are people out there still claiming it is true. You can believe them too if you want.
              But it won’t make you right or any smarter and it won’t help you figure our bible prophecy.
              In fact it will only send you astray. And you are already on the wrong path.

  38. You may be right Jim – or not.

    I see little real proof either way for a flat earth, but I do see strong proof NASA fake much of their material, and I wonder why. I can also see that the Bible leans towards a flat earth, however there are arguments both ways for that too, I admit.

    It doesn’t hurt to search for a little more understanding on these subjects. I don’t think it hurts to explore what is the truth, as it should stand up to any scrutiny. – Globe earth? Maybe /maybe not.

    • Well, I believe the bible refers to the four corners of the earth, which would infer the earth is not only flat, but rectangular.
      So go figure that one.

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