The Goat and the 2300 days

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Most very complex interpretations about the “goat” and the 2300 days prophecy from Daniel have not fit well. Here is a simple viewpoint. Who is the goat today?

Excerpt:

Dan 8:11 Yea, he [the goat] magnified [himself] even to the prince of the host [Messiah], and by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.


Dan 8:12 And an host was given [him] against the daily [sacrifice] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.


Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?


Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

The goat is the king of the Grecian empire:

Dan 8:21 And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king.

Events that happen during the 2300 days


1. The sanctuary is made desolate with abominations, transgressions, and “cast down (Daniel 8:11, 13)


2. The host (Israelis) are to be trodden under foot (Daniel 8:13)


3. The daily sacrifices are taken away (Daniel 8:11)


4. All this is done by the “little horn” which arises out of the Grecian empire (goat) who exalts himself as “high as the Prince of the host (Messiah).” (Daniel 8:11)

The angel Gabriel explains to Daniel about the timing of the events:

Dan 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision. (KJV)

“I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.” NIV Daniel 8:19


“But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.” (Daniel 12:4)

It is clear from Daniel that this vision is for the last days, which we are currently in, now that Israel has been re-established as a nation, and Jews are returning to their homeland.


Errors in interpretation and timing

1. There has been some attempts to assign this prophecy to ancient history of the Greeks and Romans, especially during the Antiochus period, but only certain parts of the prophecy seem fulfilled, and not all of them.

Force fitting this into ancient history ignores the “time of the end” aspect, and the Prince of princes [Messiah] who defeats the goat (Daniel 8:25).

Daniel 9:25-27 simultaneously describes the timing (70 weeks) of the Messiah with a break in time. He comes 62 +7 = 69 weeks after the first rebuilding of the temple (447/457 BC), then he is “cut off (killed). It does not say how long his presence is cut off, but the rest of Daniel indicates that it “many days in the future” at the “time of the end” that the rest of the events takes place, and the final week occurs.


2. There was another interpretation I read that used 2300 years, instead of days, and ended up erroneously at 1844, which is now just history.

Any time a prophecy refers to the end times, the timing and interpretation needs to be applied for the years that follow the re-establishment of Israel.

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When is the “last days?”

God said that in the last days, he would bring the scattered Jews home from the 4 corners of the earth. This officially started in 1948, so that starts the prophetic clock for the last days. The return of the Jews coincide with the coming of the Messiah.

Eze 6:8 Yet will I leave a remnant, that ye may have [some] that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries.


Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.


Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.


*** The righteous Branch is the Messiah


Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD lives, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;


Jer 23:8 But, The LORD lives, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.


*** the north country is Russia

How does the 2300 days fit with the last week of Daniel?

A prophetic week is 7 years = 2520 days (the covenant for “one week”)

2500 days

2300 days

220 days (~ 7 months)

If the 2300 days is part of the 7 years, what is going on in those extra 7 months (220 days)?

Daniel 9:26 indicates that the city [Jerusalem] and the sanctuary is destroyed first, which brings more desolations.


Dan 9:26 …. and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Apparently, once he has conquered the city, he is in a position to “confirm a covenant” for one week (7 years).


Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

If he confirms a covenant, that means there was a covenant (peace agreement) already in place that was broken by his invasion.

This pattern of making and breaking covenants is very typical of HAMAS, and other radical Muslim groups. In jihad thinking, the only good reason for having a truce with one’s enemy is to buy time, so they can build up their forces, and attack in a stronger way. Every agreement is based on deceit.

What about the 7 months? Maybe it is a time of false peace either at the beginning of the covenant, or at the confirmation of the covenant. Either way, Israel is still in trouble. Also, see the next section for more thoughts.

Comparing this to traditional interpretation

Traditional interpretation is that the first half of the tribulation will be “peaceful,” but not perfect. Then the second half is terrible.

I do not see this. Daniel is saying that most of the 7 years is bad.

Comparing this to Revelation 12, the woman (Israel) flees to the wilderness for 1260 days in 12:6 at the beginning of Jacob’s trouble, which is followed by a war in heaven. Once Satan is cast to the earth, there is a time of satanic wrath, in which the woman is persecuted, and flees a second time to the wilderness.

If she flees a second time, then she must have had a short time of rest, which might be the 7 months noted above.

All this time, most of the world actually likes the beast, but Israel seems to have some support at one point (Rev 12:16) where the “earth” swallows up the flood which the dragon spews out of his mouth.” These supporters are believers in Messiah (“those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ”), as the dragon then turns against them. (Rev 12:17, Rev 13:7).

Looking at the entire Book of Revelation, as a confirmation, there is really nothing “peaceful” or pleasant about the last days, so saying the first half of it is “not too bad” seems to be an error. Revelation does not give time periods for each event, with the exception of Chapter 12.

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Back to the Goat

There is much speculation about the Antichrist (goat)  being a Roman, or an American, or a European. The goat does symbolize the Grecian empire, revived for the “time of the end.”

Some of the Grecian and Roman empire territories overlap, so this means that a country common to both ancient empires, can be a part of the end time empire.

This is the ancient “goat” (map of Grecian empire) predicted to fight with the Messiah. Think about who lives there today. Think about the only group that is constantly at war with Israel, and would have to agree to any covenant with it.

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Interesting final note:

Jesus said at his final judgment, that he would be separating the sheep from the goats. The sheep would be spared. The goats would be destroyed.


70 Responses to “The Goat and the 2300 days”

  1. […] prophecy from Daniel have not fit well. Here is a simple viewpoint. Who is the goat today? Click here for […]

  2. If I understand your teaching, the goats are of the Judas variety today. Serving, but not believing?

  3. Hi archie,

    From what the passage is saying, your interpretation is correct, if it applies to the church. It is the “works without faith,” or “works without a change of heart.”

    But on the world scene, the goat represents this on a larger scale, in more of a secular, semi-religious way. The goat in Daniel is referring to the last kingdom that will revive and oppose the Prince of hosts, which is Messiah. The ancient territory is on the map, and today represents mainly the Islamic countries of the middle east, and the east. They think they are serving God too, but they have no redeeming faith.

    I added that passage in by Jesus, because I thought it was interesting that he would use a reference from Daniel to describe the character of those who will be judged unworthy to enter heaven. Maybe he had a double meaning…one for the church, and one that was prophetic.

    blessings
    marianne

  4. Woe, woe, woe..
    There are some peoples who cant see signs of His coming,
    I recommend you to read these:
    Zep2 & Zec9

    Then the goat had two horns, not one, but two, and the horns represent Iraq (Smaller horn) Iran (Greater horn).

    Marianne, can you count to 2300 ? It seems to me you cant.
    Once again;
    2300 DAYS is the whole end time perioid, yes DAYS.
    Now, there are these perioids, which added together are 2300 days:
    One year,one month,one week,one day, 396 days of Rev9.
    Five months, 152 days of Rev9.
    70 weeks, 490 days of Dan9.
    42 months, 1260 days of Dan12 & Rev13

    396+152+490+1260=
    2298 DAYS, only margin of error added and its 2300 DAYS!

    Now you ask, how is this possible?
    Goto http://www.theendtimeprophet.com, dont care about those dates he is trying to figure out, care about the timeline itself!

    AND COME ON, THERE ARE NO SUCH THING AS 7 YEARS, WHY CANT ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT TRUE MESSIANIC JEWS FIGURE THIS OUT?
    (Yes, i am Messianic Jew too)
    THERE IS ONLY ONE 1260 DAY PERIOID, ITS THE TIME OF ANTICHRIST CALLED THE BEAST, JUST LIKE JESUS HAD 3.5 YEARS TO TELL THE TRUTH, SO WILL ANTICHRIST HAVE 3.5 YEARS TO TELL THE LIE.
    SCRIPTURES ARE NOT TELLING ABOUT SEVEN YEAR PERIOID,
    THEY ARE TELLING OF THOSE WHICH I SHOWED TO YOU.

    ALMOST WHOLE BIBLE DEALS WITH END TIME PROPHECY, SOME ARE DUAL-PROPHECIES, BUT STILL, EVERY SINGLE PROPHECY HAS TO DO WITH THE END TIMES, READ MATTHEW 24, IF YOU CANT SEE THE TRUTH, ITS BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO SEE IT.

    BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS WHO SPEAK AND WRITE NONSENSE AND SOMETHING YOU WANT TO HEAR/READ, BIBLE PROPHECIES ARE PROPHECIES, NOT HISTORY LIKE SCEPTICS SAY!

    AND I WAS LOST IN THE NONSENSE AND OTHER FALSE PROPHECIES TOO,
    BUT I STARTED TO REALLY STUDY PROPHECIES, NOW I STUDY PROPHECIES EVERY TIME I READ THE WORLD NEWS AND PROPHETIC CHANNELS.

    And I HAVE A WEBSITE http://neartimeprophecy.110mb.com ITS WRITTEN IN FINNISH BUT THERE IS A TRANSLATE BUTTON IN/AT FRONT PAGE.

    Study your roots Marianne, do DNA testing…

    I did and i found out that im Israelite/Jew of both sides (Mothers mother & father)(Fathers father & mother).
    These things are really interesting, do your homework!

    May G-d bless you with knowledge.

  5. Hi Yoel.

    The 490 days begins with the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Dan 9:24-25), it is not all part of the end times. This decree occurred in 445 BC. 70 weeks total. Messiah gets cut off (killed) at 69 weeks (Dan 9:26). Then there is a gap. Only the last prophetic week ( 7 days = 7 years) is part of the end times. 7 years is 2520 real days.

    Rev 9 may only say 5 months for that one event, but are you saying all the other events mentioned in Revelation together take ZERO (0) time ??????

    If so, then the time of wrath is 5 months, not 3.5 years. I do not see 396 days in Rev 9..maybe you mean a different chapter.

    Rev 12 indicates 2 periods for Israel of 1260 days each. Israel has to flee twice to the wilderness. that is 2520 days.(7 years)

    Try what I did. I sat and put together a timeline, and fit the events in order. Some things overlap. Some things are sequential.

    My DNA tests as K2a2a…. 🙂

    blessings
    marianne

  6. Hey Marianne…

    Perhaps if you were to count days the way that Israelis do,sundown to sundown,it might make a difference… There is also the matter of the Hebrew calendar…I cannot remember exactly how it goes,but i think that it has to do with every three years that there is 29 or 30 day month added to the year or that this happens 7 times,every 21 or 23 years…Not sure,but i know that you can find out… 1260 + 30 = 1290 + 45 = 1335… Looks too simple huh.

    I think that there is AN answer is in Daniel 12:11,12 KJV.Look up the words [WAITETH and [COMETH] in Daniel 12:12…In the Hebrew/Aramaic concordance,the numbers are 2442 and 5060…

    Peace and blessings Marianne

    Yehoshuamyking.

  7. hi Yehoshuamyking.

    I just use 360 days = 1 Hebrew year. But I do know about the extra month added. So that just means the puzzle is not quite solved yet.

    maybe we are getting close..

    blessings
    marianne

  8. Oh Marianne.

    One last thing.Did you know that Christ Jesus lay in the heart of the Earth for three consecutive Sabbath days? Sundown to sundown of course… See Matthew 12:40 KJV… This is the reason that Gentiles have a hard time figuring it out and so,have fallen for the Friday crucifixion day…For our Lord was crucified on the preparation day [Wednesday] of the passover lambs,the sabbath began at sundown…He was laid in the tomb before sundown,which was the day of unleaven bread… Which of course is another Sabbath day.Now we have Friday [Isralis or Palestine time] of course. Which began the seventh day Sabbath…He also rose from the dead on a Holy Day.[First Fruits],before sun up…

    Marianne,everything centers around the people Israel and their Holy days,not theirs really,but the ones appointed by God. Himself….

    Yehoshuamyking…

  9. hi Yehoshuamyking…

    Yes, I had heard that Passover that year had occurred before Shabbat(wed night-first night seder). I knew He has risen on first fruits. Jesus does pick special times to act. That is why we should be looking at what he said about his return and fitting it into the Hebrew calendar.

    blessings
    marianne

  10. IN EZEKIAL 39 THERE IS A SEVEN MONTH PERIOD WHEN GOG’S ARMY IS BEING BURIED AND THE LAND IS BEING CLEANSED. THE SURVIVORS OF GOG’S ARMY WILL BE SENT TO WITNESS TO THE NATIONS, SO MAYBE THIS IS A PERIOD OF MERCY FOR PEOPLE TO REACT TO THE MIRACULOUS INTERVENTION AND GET SAVED. JUST SPECULATION, OF COURSE, TOO MANY PEOPLE MISSED JESUS THE FIRST TIME BY DECIDING THAT GOD HAD TO FULFILL PROPHECIES THEIR WAY. WE MUST ALWAYS BE OPEN TO WHATEVER WAY HE CHOOSES.

  11. Hi Weegie,

    That is a good idea. I was trying to figure out what was going on during the missing 7 months, and where it fit in. See here:

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/the-7-year-end-time-covenant-in-days-and-years/

    Maybe the 7 year covenant begins when Israel wins the Gog battle, and enemies are more agreeable to a peace treaty, after they failed.

    Then, 7 months later, the antichrist figure decides he will start trouble again, and begin the 2300 days, first trampling Jerusalem. Once he does that, and bothers some other nations (for 790 days), he turns back to Jerusalem and commits the abomination by about the mid-point of the 7 years. Other passages indicate he has problems with the king of the south (egypt) and the king of the north (syria), as well as Cyprus, so this seems to confirm what delays him in setting up the abomination.

    Thanks. What do you think of this? Does it make sense to you?

    blessings
    marianne

    • ezekiel says gog/magog comes against israel when they are already at peace, with unwalled villages. seems the covenant is made first.

  12. I am somewhat puzzled. I have always thought of the passage where the angles were prepared for a year and a month and a day and an hour as a point in time and not a range of time. Does anyone know why it should be a range of time?

  13. Dear GYOD

    Explain your question….what passage are you talking about?

    blessings
    marianne

  14. Dear GYOD

    That one in Daniel where the angels that are bound in the Euphrates are let loose to kill the third of mankind.

    I am not sure. Maybe it just takes them that long to kill 1/3 of mankind. Maybe they are “earthbound” once they arrive, and have to travel like we do. Considering that the time of wrath is only 3 1/2 years, the fact that this one event takes up about 1/3 of the time is significant in itself. But I do not know why this one event has a time given to it, when other events do not. The other exception is the 5 months the locusts torture people.

    Maybe, the time is given for the future unbelievers, who may come to faith, and need to know how long certain torment will last, so they can endure through it.

    blessings
    marianne

  15. This stuff is interesting, but can also bring on a major headache!
    I wonder if Satan is laughing or crying over all of this?

  16. Hi Glenn,

    I hope it all gives Satan a headache. It is his twisted complicated scheme. God works in a simple wonderful way.

    blessings
    marianne

  17. ITS WONDERFUL TO KNOW THAT SO MANY FELLOW BELIEVERS ARE SO INTERESTED IN GOD’S WORD AND HIS TIMING TO THE RAPTURE, THE SEVEN YEARS OF THE FALSE PROPHET, THE ANTI CHRIST AND THE BEAST AND FINALLY THE TIME WHEN JESUS DOES COME TO JUDGE AND RULE AND REIGN FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. IT IS SO GOOD TO WHEN THE CONVERSTIONS ARE CARRIED ON WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS FOR A FELLOW CHRISTIANS IDEAS ABOUT HIS STUDY OF THE WORD . THIS TO ME IS A STUDY FOR US ALL AND NOT ANY HAVE SAID , THUS SAID THE LORD AS A PROPHET WOULD. LET US CONTINUE IN KINDNESS. AS OUR LORD WOULD WISH SO THAT WE CAN LEARN AND HELP EACH OTHER. WE DO KNOW THIS, WHICH GIVES PEACE TO OUR HEARTS . HE PROMISED US HE WOULD COME AGAIN . SHALOM IN THE NAME OF YAHUSHUA

  18. May I weigh-in on this topic of 2300 days ?
    First of all, I discuss this in my book, “None Dare Call It Deception”, which if anyone will put their mouse “cursor” over my name at the bottom of this post, it will display my website.
    I recomment you all go there and get the book !

    The 2300 “days” that the sacrifices will cease, does Not correspond to that which is mentioned above ( I don’t mean to be arrogant or controversial, just hear me out)
    There were to be two sacrifices per day,(Morning and evening oblations) So the first thing to do is to divide the “2300 sacrifice days” by two, which means it totals 1150 actual days !
    So from the time of the breaching of “the covenant” by the Antichrist (which happens at the Mid-point of the 7 years) the countdown begins for 1150 days that the Temple will remain poluted by the “abomination that maketh desolate”.
    The time alloted the antichrist is 1260 days (3½ years) So 110 days before the end of Antichrists alloted time, tha “two witnesses” help the Rabbi’s to throw out the Immage, and restart the sacrifices, this is what causes “GoG” (the antichrist) to return from his “Russian campaign” and turn back and “Fall on the mountains of Israel” (Lebanon) (Dan 11, and Ezek.38/39 )
    This is the literal “shortening of the days” that Jesus declared in Mathew 24. So in conclusion, the “2300 sacrifice days” must be divided by the Morning and evening oblation, to get the exact days involved (1150 days) and not a time period of 2300 days, which will distort the prophecy completely.

    Morgan Sorensen

    • HI Morgan

      I understand what you are saying, but I do not see that. If the days were to be chopped in half for morning and evening, then all prophetic time periods should be chopped in half too.

      2300 = 1150

      7 years = 3 1/2 year

      1260 days = 630 days

      70 weeks = 35 weeks

  19. Marianne, I think that you are misunderstanding this passage.
    It is nott about “chopping in half” any time periods. It is about understanding what this passage in Dan.8:11-14 has to say, as a “speciffic statement” . Let me explain;

    In Dan.12:2, we have a “general statement” about a resurrection of the “Just” and the “un-Just” seemingly at the same time.

    Yet in re.20:4, we have a “specific statement” that separates the “first resurrection” (the righteous) from the “Second resurrection” (the un-righteous) by one thousand years.

    Then we find that there is more “specific” explanation of the “specific statement”, which declares “firstfruit” orders to the “first resurrection”

    It is this , that is conveyed in Dan.*:11-14. The question is asked; “How long shall be the vission concerning the daily sacrifice”. This concerns the time that the sanctuary shall be “trodden under foot”,(verse13) and until it shall be “cleansed”, (that means, until the resuming of the daily sacrifices,verse 14)

    The 2300 “days” spoken of, are ‘clarified’ in verse 26, which declares; “And the vission of the ‘evening’ and the ‘morning’…”
    ( this is the definition of the 2300 sacrifices, counting two sacrifices per EACH day) which brings us to understand, that it concerns a period of 1150 days INSIDE the already alloted 1260 days timeline of the last half of the seven year “covenant week”‘
    known as “Jacobs trouble”.

    This has nothing to do with “chopping up” any prophetic dates, it has everything to do with clarifying the prophecy of Jesus, that those days would be “shortened” (Mt. 24:22)

    Morgan Sorensen

    • the bible state there will be 1260 days. Jesus isn’t saying that that number will be shortened to 1150 for the sake of the elect. he’s just saying the number of days won’t exceed 1260. they could be more, but he’s shortening then to 1260. (or else His words would contradict His WORD). and yes you are chopping up dates! 2300 days = 2300 evenings + 2300 mornings. 2300 evenings + 2300 mornings is 2300 days, NOT 1150. 2 sacrifices per each of the 2300 days is 4600 sacrifices. what is the definition of the 2300 sacrifices? it says 2300 days, not sacrifices. experts on the temple say that it would take about 3 to 3 1/2 months to build the temple. lets say elijah, one of the two witnesses who comes to “restore all things,” begins the construction of the temple at the beginning of the 70 week. it would be completed just in time for the antichrist to take it over and set up the abomination, in the “middle of the seven.” now when Jesus comes at the end of the 70th week, a earthquake destroys the temple. it would take about 3 years to rebuild the (millennial) temple again and reconsecrate it. from the midpoint of the 70th week until this reconsecration could be 2300 days. just a thought…

  20. Hi Marianne,
    I agree with Morgan, that the 2,300 days as mentioned in Dan. 8:14 is half that number, considering verse 26. I believe we must seek other places in God’s Word which will explain the meanings. We all have the opportunity to quickly cross reference “like” passages elsewhere with the aid of the many Bible programs available. I looked up Evenings and Mornings, and what do you know! Genesis Chapter One contain 6 evenings + 6 mornings [=12] for the 6 days of creation! What we need to remember also, is the fact that this prophecy was viewing the LAST days, and we need only look up the meanings of the original words to realize that the word what has been translated into “Sanctuary” was really incorrect, as the word “quodesh” means “Holy Place/Person/day/portion/ or Thing. The word should have been “SAINT” and the word “Cleansed” should be “Justified”, or “turned to Righteousness”, thus, as we are all changed in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump [1 Cor.15:52] the saints will take on Sinless Immortality. This 1,150 days are referred to as the time of Trouble/Tribulation “such as NEVER was” since there was a nation! The Firstfruits/Virgins/144,000/Elect have only to wait 1335 days for their Redemption [Dan.12:12] – (Hint 12×12=144)
    This 1335 days of waiting begins on the Eve of the New year day that starts the 7 years before the very end. The 7 years start the year following the 40th anniversary of the unification of old Jerusalem (7th June, 1967). The 1150days [2300 e/m]starts 75 days after the 144,000 leave for the “Supper” [Luke 14:16-24], or as in Rev.12:6, 14 … “a place Prepared” – John 14:3.
    Getting back to the translation mistakes – The translators were under the same God ordained command that Daniel was to SEAL its Meaning [For the End Time Visions] TILL the End Time! [Dan.8:26 & Dan.12:9] The DAILY [Sacrifice] is wrong also, as the word “Sacrifice” was NOT in the original books …but the word DAILY [Tamiyd] also means “Continual/Perpetual” as in TIME. [Rev.10:6] – where Jesus abolishes TIME. The Saint and the HOST that will be “trodden under foot” [Dan.8:13] are the “Wheat and the Tares” when they will be separated in accepting or rejecting the issued “Mark” by the “Beast”.
    Today there is only the “Abomination of Desolation”[Mosque] standing in the “Holy Place” where God’s Temple once stood, HOW can the TEMPLE (Sanctuary) be “Cleansed”?

    • HI Olaf,

      I am not sure I understand all your points. A morning + an evening = 1 day. we do not shop days in half to make 2 days.
      Jacob’s trouble is 3 1/2 years, 42 months or 1260 days.

      I understand about the mosque, but have trouble seeing the

      1967 + 40 = 2007

      this is 2009, and the tribulation has not started yet.

  21. Hi Marianne,
    If I say that I have 10 children, of which there are males and females, and as in the fact that of necessity there would have to be EQUAL numbers in the case of DAYS, consisting of DAYS and NIGHTS, you would have to conclude that of BOTH gender, we may have 5, but FIVE of BOTH equal 10!
    Dan.8:26. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told [is] true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it [shall be] for many days.
    This is part of the Puzzle to “SEAL the words” of Daniel TILL the END TIME!
    You can check another translation such as the revised Berkeley version, and this translation uses evenings and mornings in the verse of Dan.8:14.
    There is nowhere in the bible where I can link the Time of Jacob’s Trouble with a time period of 3 1/2 years! We are linking the Rev.11:2 with Jacob! This HOLY CITY, is GOD’S people on TOTAL.
    The Jacob’s Trouble [Jer.30:4-24] will in fact be the SECULAR nation of Israel, the ones who have NOT not had a NAME change to ISRAEL as in Gen.32:28. – as they have not yet striven with God and PREVAILED.
    As you mentioned the 3 1/2 years time span in Years, Months & Days, I see that these periods mentioned, are not necessarily the same blocks in time, for there are 2 blocks of 3 1/2 years for the LAST seven years as given in Rev.11:2,3. It is in the perspective of the Elect [Wife]/144,000 that Days are used, as they are “Counting the DAYS for their Deliverance Rev.12:6 and for the sake of those who refuse to accept that when God gives a time period, He doesn’t mean “A day = a YEAR” in prophecy, Rev.12:14 is added to say that 1,260 days = 3 1/2 years! and NOT 1,260 YEARS as some denominations have CHANGED it!
    Isa.5:20. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
    God does not look kindly to SUBSTITUTION of his words!
    1967 + 40 = 2007 …Tribulation does not start TILL the LAST 1,150 days [2,300 evenings and mornings] THAT time starts at the 6/6/6 marking of every individual 75 days AFTER the First Fruits Harvest is taken to God’s HOUSE. And they are NOT to be BURNED as in Exod.22:29. Thou shalt not delay [to offer] the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
    Lev.2:12. As for the oblation of the firstfruits, ye shall offer them unto the LORD: but they shall not be burnt on the altar for a sweet savour.
    The Elect/Chosen will not go through Tribulation Mark 13:20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
    In conclusion, the Tribulation starts 13th of July 2011, or 1335 days AFTER the commencement of Hebrew calendar year 5768 (Civil)
    12×12=144? Dan.12:12. Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
    The Measurement of the TEMPLE being WORSHIPED in from the ALTAR [Cross of AD.30] till Temple is destroyed in AD 70 is the 40 years AFTER the Gentile time fulfillment
    Rev.11:1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
    2. But the court which is WITHOUT the temple leave out, and measure it NOT; for it is GIVEN unto the Gentiles:
    So, all of the TIME reckoning is AFTER the TEMPLE measurement of 40 years [Evening of 12th September 2007].
    Marianne, if you like, I can send you an Email attachment with the sequence of the last 7 years as I have so far worked out from God’s Word [I believe the Holy Spirit has guided me, not that I am worthy of it, but I give all the credit to my Lord] for “Seek and you shall FIND”

    • olaf,

      the 3 1/2 years comes from

      Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.

      also in REv 12….the woman escapes for 1260 days, which is 3 1/2 years.

      what would be best is if you had a chart – timeline – drawn out in picture form…..with events on it..

      you could prepare this in a Word document…and then paste it into this space, or email it to me.

      I do not understand your math, but I tend to agree with your conclusion.

    • 5+5=10, but you seems to be saying 5(2300evenings)+5(2300mornings)= 5(1150 days). 2300 evenings and 2300 mornings does not equal 1150 days. in other words, half of 2300 plus half of 2300 equals 2300, not 1150. (half of 10 -five boys + half of 10 -five girls = 10 children, not 5).
      it is in the perspective of the elect [wife]/144,000????? it says the 144,000 are All MALE, not female (wife). and they are not counting the days for their deliverance – they have a seal of God’s prtection on them. many have claimed that the Holy Spirit has guided them. and many have been wrong. i guess on july 13, 2011 we will find out if you are. God’s Word has to be SIMPLE and make sense.

  22. Marianne, I have tried doing what you suggested by Copying the highlighted page on to the clipboard and on to this box, but alas, it will not work. I have sent the complete file earlier to someone as an attachment and it works fine!
    I shall reply on your answer instead. I forgot to look up the alternate format in denoting time as the aforementioned Time/Times/dividing (or half) of time.[For 3 1/2 years]
    The text in Daniel you mentioned, points to the second half of the Heptad, – or 7 years, where even the 2 Witnesses lose their lives! Rev.11:7-11. where earlier, these witnesses had power to oppose any attempts on their lives [Rev.11:5] As you know, I believe these 2 witnesses are Moses and Elijah, who arrive at the time that the UN. is granted supreme power worldwide.
    The protocol of the UN. is …vote is passed, 30days later, it is implemented. This fact is brought out in the prophecy of 1290days …being 30days MORE than the 1260days of ruling the earth. [Dan.12:11] From the time that the daily [Tamiyd = perpetual/continuance] is eliminated (offering/sacrifice not in original) or,…from the time Jesus eliminates “TIME” (Rev.10:6) to the SETTING UP of this desolating abomination is 1290days!
    I think that there is a discrepancy with the translation of the preposition used here with the period in which the “Woman” escapes, as indications are in other facts. such as the 5 months where people wish to die, but cannot! [Rev.9:5,6] It is the time period from the voting in of the UN. on 24th Jan. 2011 and the taking away of the 144,000 on the 9th of May 2011 [1335 into the last 7 years]
    As I see it, the woman escapes IN [not FOR] the last 1260days.
    This will make the “seed” of the woman who are not ready, or “sealed” sit up and take notice that, what the woman was predicting all along is all coming true, when the UN. starts to flex its muscles, and Moses and Elijah turn up to prophecy to the unconverted.
    in conclusion, the Woman will be in heaven enjoying God’s presence for only the last 1185 days till the resurrection of the righteous and the destruction of the mantle of this earth, because of the Meteors (stars fall) Matt 24:29. striking the earth an causing a tremendous earthquake (Powers of heaven shaking – standing on earth, it will seem that the sky was moving)

    • Olaf, I notice by your name that you are of “scandinavian descent” just as I am,(possibly Norwegian ?) Anyway, I just thought I should comment on your post, as well as invite you to click on the my name link at the end of this post, and it will take you to my website, where you will find my book available. I think you will benefit greatly from reading it.

      Now to your post;
      You say the “elect” are not to go through the tribulation.
      This is not correct according to the scriptures, as the 1260 days are “shortened”, for their sake.

      You give some calculations, 1967 plus 40 (2007), then you say the tribulation does not begin until the end of the 1150 days.

      This also is not correct, as the 1150 days are part of the last 1260 days, in which the “sacrifices cease”, until the Temple is “cleansed”, with the help of the “two witnesses”. in the latter half of the tribulation.

      Then you say the tribulation will begin 13 July, 2011.
      Personally, I am very scared of “date setting”, but aside from that, I think that certain “facts” about the “firstfruit” resurrection of “the 24 Elders”, will call that month of the year in question, as the “24 Elders” must be resurrected on one of the two feast days of the “feast of trumpets” ,( which corresponds to the Jewish “Rosh Hashanah” ) which takes place in late Sept. or beginning Oct. Only “after this” can the tribulation begin by the “Confirming of the Covenant” by the antichrist. (Dan.9:26/27) and possibly on the date of the feast of “Atonement”, as He is to be “revealed to Israel”.

      Then you discuss the measurement of the Temple and reference the Cross
      (A.D. 30) and you add 40years to arrive at 70 A.D. This is not correct, as we have the exact date of Christ’s crucifixion, it was on a Wednesday, our April 25,(Nissan 14) A.D.31. (not A.D. 30)

      Hope this is of some help to you

      Morgan Sorensen

      • i agree with you about date setting, but not about the elect going through the tribulation. there will be many saved during the tribulation and it is for their sake that it is kept short. but the bible says in many places that believers who have already accepted Jesus will escape the tribulation. i also agree that the rapture will happen at the “Last Trump” which is blown during Rosh Hashanah. (the “First Trump” was blown at Pentecost and began the Church Age. The “Last Trump” marks the end of the Church Age.) In the middle of the tribulation 3 1/2 years later, the Temple is completed (by Elijah) and, at Passover, as the Jews are about to make their first sacrifice in the new Temple, the antichrst stops them and sets up the abomination. 3 1/2 years later the “Great Trump” is blown at Jesus’ 2nd coming during Yom Kippur. The millennial kingdom is set up (Feast of Tabernacles), and the new millennial Temple is consecrated 75 days later (Festival of Lights).
        Actually, I believe Jesus ate Passover (Nissan 14)Wed evening after sundown (which would actually be the Jewish Thursday). After the meal He prayed, was arrested and tried, and Thursday morning at 9am was crucified (still Jewish Thusday). He died at 3pm and the disciples had to hurry to get Him in the ground before the High Sabbath unleavened bread (which began at sundown and began the Jewish Friday). He lay in the ground throughout the saturday, the weekly Sabbath, until Sunday at 3am. if Jesus was born about 4BC. He began His ministry when He was about 30 (26AD). He died 3 1/2 years later, Wed April 5, 30 AD. Possibly.

  23. I noticed when quickly scanning the above messages, that there were two messages from Jan.5 , one by ‘weegie”, where there is a question about Ezek 39, and the 7 months of “burial’. This Gog is the personal antichrist, adn the “Gog war” is the battle of armageddon. Thus the “burial” takes place “after” the tribulation period. The key passage to understanding this, is 39:7, wherein God says; “I will not let them polute My Holy Name ANY more”.
    That posits, no more tribulation, or abomination that maketh desolate, It’s all over, and Christ is setting up his Millenial kingdom.
    Then to comment on “getyourowndeliverance”, about the passage on the “angels bound in the Euphrates”. That passage is not in Dan., but in Rev.9, and part of the sixth trumpet and sixth Vial (Rev.16:12-16) and it does indicate a specific point in time, that these angels will be “released”, (and not a length of time)

  24. Hi Morgan,
    I am sorry to inform you that I am NOT of Scandinavian descent. What you fail to realize is that a first name, does nothing to one’s nationality! If I have a Surname of Smith, you may deduce that I have a paternal ancestry of British Nationality, and if it were Schmidt, you would be close to the mark if you said that I may have a Germanic ancestry.
    Your Idea of a FUTURE Cleansing of a Sanctuary having to be cleansed, and Sacrificing that was to cease, is DISREGARDING the whole reason of Christ’s ULTIMATE Sacrifice, which the Israelites of the first sanctuary also disregarded, and continued their sacrificial system, till God put an end to it, by allowing His Temple to be destroyed! Connected with this continuance of the “SHADOW of things to come” [Col.2:16,17], is a disregard to the fact that Jesus HAS paid the price of sin, and we can NOW go to HIM for forgiveness!
    The EXACT date of AD. 31 is not what I have found out, as you can find this out by putting the words “The day He died” on Google, and where is a good article on the web written by a Jewish Professor. You are nearly correct as to the day Jesus died, as Nissan 10 was when the LAMB was to be “selected” which coincided with “Palm Sunday” and Nissan 14 would have to be on a Thursday, when Jesus dies. This satisfies the criteria of being in the grave 3 days and 3 nights! Matt.12:40. This also would make the “day of preparation” for the Passover “Sabbath” being on the Friday, and the following day [Saturday] being the 7th day Sabbath so the Sunday would be the 3rd day.
    I may have made a misprint with the “Tribulation” that you stated that I have placed AFTER the 1,150 days. I believe that the 2,300 Evenings and Mornings [1,150 days] IS the TRIBULATION period, which is marked with the Identification of every human on earth with a 6/6/6 number – ie. 123456/123456/123456 beint the COMMENCEMENT of the Tribulation. The Tribulation ENDS with the UN.Rule/Resurrection/Harvest/Judgment on the Wicked.
    As I said, the 1,150 days is July 13, 2011.
    You also warned on DATE SETTING! Read Rev.3:3. – IF you DON’T Watch, you will NOT KNOW when Jesus RETURNS!
    If you are one of God’s WATCHMEN, then it would pay to read Isa.56:10,11 Note that God’s Watchmen are referred to as DOGS!
    Rev.22:15 There are no DOGS in the New JERUSALEM!
    Because of this situation that God’s WATCHMEN are sleeping, that we have a Prophecy concerning the lack of KNOWLEDGE of Christ’s return! Jer.8:7. Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.
    …My people KNOW NOT …the appointed times …time of their coming. Jesus comes back when He JUDGES the Wicked!

  25. Just adding to the above,
    There is NO Temple to be CLEANSED, even in Heaven!
    Rev.21:22. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE the temple of it.
    Please look up your concordance, look up the meanings of the words that were translated in that passage in Daniel 8:14. We are NOT under the OLD Covenant, for JESUS has fulfilled ALL of what the Old Covenant was agreed upon. We NOW have a HIGH PRIEST in Heaven whom we can DIRECTLY access, for our forgiveness of sins. We DO NOT need a TEMPLE on earth, NOR do we SACRIFICE any offerings to show our FAITH in a COMING Savior who would die for our sins, by taking our place on the cross!
    For those who cannot get a concordance, there is a FREE copy to download on the Internet called “e-Sword” It is most helpful in giving a better insight into Bible translated mistakes.
    The verse Daniel 8:14 should have “SAINT be JUSTIFIED”, and NOT “Sanctuary be CLEANSED” for WHEN it was written, it was under the OLD Covenant, and NOT for the TIME that the Prophecy was portraying, which it STATES as being for the END Time [Dan8:17] Thus it is now AFTER Jesus FULFILLED the Old Covenant, and ALL of the Old CEREMONIES are fulfilled IN Jesus.
    |_1,335days Dan.12:12__|_|_1,150days Tribulation_|_1,000yr heaven
    2007 May 9/2011^ ^July 13/2011 ^Sept 5/2014
    ^5768 Jewish Civil year << 42months + 1,260day^
    <40 yrs after Jerusalem Unites.

    Mark 13:20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
    "no FLESH should be saved" but for the ELECT'S "FLESH" will be saved, for the ELECT are the CHOSEN – BRIDE/144,000 Virgins who go to the WEDDING of the BRIDEGROOM.
    Luke 12:36. And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will RETURN from the WEDDING; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
    That verse tells of a return from a Wedding by Jesus.[at Harvest]
    Jesus spent 3 1/2 years after His Baptism. The SAME events were played out that would ALSO occur in the FINAL 3 1/2 years on earth.
    He STARTS with a WEDDING in Canaan where He turns Water to WINE.
    He ENDS with a Coronation and Death to SIN, and a Resurrection.
    In the END, There is a Wedding SUPPER. Luke 14:16. Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
    17. And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
    18. And they all with one [consent] began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
    24. For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
    So AFTER the [Wedding] SUPPER, Jesus will return to be CROWNED King, and those who refuse His FREE gift, by accepting His Sacrifice in dying for their sins, will DIE for THEIR sins, but the GRAVES will be OPENED at the resurrection of the Righteous, just as when Jesus died. Matt.27:52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

    • Hi Olaf

      The book of Revelation describes a new Jerusalem coming down from heaven.

      Ezechiel describes a third temple to be built. It has a definite floor plan and building design.

      Maybe this third temple is brought down from heaven as well, within the new city?

      The Antichrist sits in the holy place, defiling it?

      How do you see this all fit together?

      Symbolic of the spirit only?

  26. Hi Marianne,
    Rev.21:1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was NO MORE SEA.
    2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
    Those 3 verses indicate that the 1,000 years have passed, the Earth is Re-Created, and ALL of Yahweh’s FAMILY return to the HOME that was the ORIGINALLY planned for Mankind from the very beginning.
    The NEW Jerusalem is a CITY of HUMAN Beings. It was never our Creator’s intention for us to live in “Boxes,” and as this earth never experienced RAIN, till after NOAH entered the Ark, there was really no need for a “Roof over our heads”
    Rev.20:2. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    In this 1,000 years the earth is devoid of humans, or any life forms, as the earth was struck with a tremendous Meteor shower, which made the crust of the earth [~40 miles thick], crack like an egg shell, making the entire surface mix with the molten core of the earth, making a “Lake of fire,” which is not much different to a VOLCANIC eruption. This is described in Rev.15:2. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
    You may say that is “fanciful thinking” but did the 3 Faithful die? in Dan.3:26. Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, [and] spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come [hither]. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the MIDST of the FIRE.
    The accompanying Meteor “Shower” that causes the destruction of Earth’s surface, also makes the biggest earthquake, and makes this earth follow a different orbit around the sun, hence, a “NEW Heavens,” and the SKY would “Roll back as a scroll” Isa.34:4 and Rev.6:14. – Being the phenomena of the seas and clouds turning to Super-heated steam into the atmosphere from the world wide volcanic lava surface.

    Ezekiel Chapt.40 – 47 talk of the TEMPLE and it’s different sacrifices, and God rebukes certain practices that occurred in Ezekiel’s day. As far as I can deduce from that “Vision” is that it was the temple that was rebuilt as mentioned in John 2:20.
    Solomon,s Temple was destroyed, but the Temple that Jesus frequented, was the rebuilt Temple in Nehemiah’s time.
    Could you tell me WHERE it mentions that Ezekiel was given this description of a THIRD Temple?
    In the New Jerusalem there IS NO TEMPLE! Rev.21:22. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
    After 1,000 years have ENDED, there is a return to Earth by the righteous, and the WICKED will be resurrected Rev.20:5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished…
    6. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
    The ANTICHRIST is destroyed along with the rest of wicked Humanity BEFORE the 1,000 years, then the devil is “Chained.”
    Rev.19:20. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

    Satan is LOOSED for a short period after the 1,000 years, and the Wicked will be raised in the SECOND resurrection, and will assemble together to make one last effort at destroying the Righteous who return to their new earth.
    Rev.20:7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
    9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    I cannot find where it says that the “Antichrist” sits in the holy place. I do know that the ABOMINATION of Dan.11:31 will pollute the sanctuary of strength [Saints]. this is in the tribulation when the Saints are slaughtered – Dan.7:25. And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out THE SAINTS of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
    The ANTICHRIST is:-
    1 John 4:3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now ALREADY is it in the world.

    • Hi Olaf,

      the 3 physical “temples” possibly are
      solomon’s
      herod’s
      ezechiel’s

      or
      tabernacle in wilderness
      solomon
      herod = ezechiel?

      The new Jerusalem that comes down has physical dimensions equivalent to 1500 cubic miles. How do the numbers of people fit into this shape?

      I understand you to say that there will no life on earth for 1000 years, then the wicked will be resurrected in Gog and Magog and fight one last time for Satan.

      What would be the purpose of leaving the earth empty for 1000 years?

  27. Hi Marianne,
    I replied on your questions, and submitted the comment to find that it was rejected, or blocked, so I shall try again, but this time in short, as it is getting past my bed time.
    As I commented earlier, We are only getting side tracked on issues that are irrelevant to our salvation. Whether there were two or three Temples of God is only taking our focus off the real issue of telling others of the closeness to the coming of our Savior. Those Temples/Tabernacle were only a physical representation of Jesus, and the ceremonies are the tangible evidence of the Plan of Salvation.
    Whether the New Jerusalem is “Bricks and Mortar” of 12,000 furlongs in length, breadth and height, or a figurative representation of the Children of God, is really irrelevant, and would only be speculation on our part if we concentrate on trying to solve this mystery.
    We have now over 6 Billion inhabitants, with vast tracts of land that are unfertile [deserts, ice caps, mountain ranges], yet if there were no wars, there would be plenty to feed mankind. If there was no sea, there would be 5 times as much land available.
    Rev.21:1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was NO MORE SEA.
    God does not always perform miracles to achieve a given outcome.
    Maybe this earth needs to cool off after being a molten ball of lava? The Devil and his angel followers need to be alone for 1,000years, to show the rest of the angels what they are capable of doing, without man’s help.
    This is also an area of speculation that does not need our input.
    I guess that the Fall of Jericho, was a precursor to our entry to our “promised land” when the wicked are resurrected to oppose our return. This will only reinforce in our minds the stark contrast between God’s house, and Satan’s realm. We are not the only inhabited planet, but the only beings who are made in God’s image, so we are FAMILY!
    Job 1:6. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
    And we are Married to Him! This will happen when the First Fruits harvest takes place.
    Jer.3:14. Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

  28. Hi Olaf,

    I agree. 🙂

  29. The exodus of the first kind and of the second (double fruit) is soon to be totally finished.
    And the house of God will not be here on earth.
    I was shown a place of beauty, and The Lord told me it is not on the earth.

  30. Hi Olaf,

    It is clear from reading your comments that you are no doubt a scholar of the word, but one point that concerns me is that you say that there will be no life on earth during the 1000 year reign of Christ. (At this point if I have misunderstood you then please disregard the following)
    If we can leave aside the debate about whether or not our Lord and Saviour (who you did not mention ) will physically reign on earth
    for this 1000 year period, I would like to bring to your attention
    the following verses.

    ” And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil
    and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he hurled him
    into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him that he might
    not mislead the nations UNTIL the thousand years were ended.”
    Rev. 20: 2-3
    It is my understanding from these verses that “the Nations” will
    have a 1000 year period free of Satanic influence on earth.

    What do you think ?

  31. Hi Richard,
    Thank you for the accolades, but I am by no means a scholar of God’s Word. I have only the basic knowledge, but just as anyone else with today’s technology, a computer with a $10 Bible program, and a Concordance program, which is available on the net for free [e-Sword] one is able to quickly search for the required information in a minimum of time.
    To answer your question about the inference that the devil will no longer mislead the nations. The following will clarify what will occur when the FIRST resurrection has taken place and the Lord’s vengeance is meted out on this rebellious planet. Please take note of the facts in the scenario, concerning stars falling. Our closest star is our sun, but what is seen, are meteors that are at present orbiting around our sun, just like we are, but in an elliptical orbit, which we cross over every half circle [6 months], some of the larger specimens are pebbles of over 40 km [25 miles] in diameter! I believe that the Creator foresaw the time they would be needed to coincide with our orbit and “sweep” this planet clean and to bring us into a larger trajectory around the sun, like some scientists believe we once had many years ago. The consequence of this collision, will be the vaporization of the seas, and the leveling of the surface. In doing so, its surface will be as hot as a volcanic eruption whereby all of the solid material will mix with the lava. This would completely sterilize the planet of all viruses and bacteria – and all life forms, just like you would find inside an active volcano. The smoke coming from this lava, would also block out the sun and moon’s light. The heat would make the clouds appear to vanish [You only see clouds because they are condensed from the cooling] so the sky will appear to ROLL back like a scroll.
    Isa.34:4. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall FALL DOWN, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.
    8. For [it is] the day of the LORD’s vengeance, [and] the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion.
    9. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into BRIMSTONE, and the land thereof shall become BURNING pitch.
    10. It shall NOT BE QUENCHED night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall LIE WASTE; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

    This is reiterated by Jesus when he showed John the same scene.

    Rev.6: 12. And I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a GREAT EARTHQUAKE; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    13. And the STARS of heaven FELL UNTO THE EARTH, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
    14. And the heaven DEPARTED as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every MOUNTAIN and ISLAND were moved out of their places.
    15. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that SITTETH ON THE THRONE, and from the WRATH of the Lamb:
    17. For the GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    Now can you imagine any survivors from that calamity?
    The NATIONS will NOT be able to be deceived, if they are waiting for the SECOND Resurrection!
    If the wicked have died in our absence, from God’s Wrath:-
    Rev.20:5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
    The above verse talks of the wicked dead – ALL from the time of Adam to the Judgment day.

  32. Richard, just a couple of other verses backing up the above scenario:
    2 Peter 3:6. Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
    7. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11. [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,
    12. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    There are more, but I shall leave it at that.

  33. Hi Olaf,

    You are one “confused puppy”, are you linked to the Jehovah’s Witnesses by any chance ?

    Your comment on Christ’s crucifixion does not even come close to the truth, and the rest of your comments are just “way ot there”

    How come you have a “Scandinavian” first and Last name, if you are not Scandinavian ? (and by the way, that was a correct assumption on my part)

    Morgan Sorensen

    • Morgan,

      Please be nice to Olaf, and do not call him names. If you have a point of disagreement, just state your opinion, then back it up with scripture.

    • i agree. olaf is very confused (pride has a way of messing up our thinking – he believes this is all from the Holy Spirit). I just hope he doesn’t confuse Marianne, who seems to agree with him a lot.

  34. I might say that some of Olaf’s comments smacks of Mormonism. End time prophecy can be very confusing and opinions are varied often due to our backgrounds. But never the less, we need to work through the information we have been given by our Lord very carefully. Remember: “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches” Rev.2:29.

  35. Hi Morgan,
    To satisfy your curiosity, I am of Dutch Nationality. My father is 100% Dutch and my mother had 2 Indonesian grandmothers, a Swiss grandfather, and a Dutch grandfather.
    [I state in the past tense, as those ancestors are long gone.]
    Both Ian and Morgan are jumping to conclusions with regard to my source of information. I do not belong to, nor have I ever in my life been affiliated with the J.W. or Mormon religion.
    Only time will tell whether I am, one \”confused PUPPY\” of 58 years of age.
    I care not whether I am believed or not, for Noah was scoffed at for 120 years, and even our Lord and Savior\’s word was not accepted by most, but in the end who are the losers?
    If there are more out there who would like to know, I am NOT affiliated with ANY \”Christian\” Denomination, nor will I ever in the future. My belief is that the King James Version of the Bible has sufficient information for me to know what my Lord requires of me and what He plans for the future of all His children. In spite of the many mistranslated words which I usually cross-reference with \”Strong\’s\” Concordance, the King James Version is the least \”tampered\” version available.
    From my multilingual background, being able to read, write and speak in two languages fluently, I am well aware of translation errors that could occur. If we take God\’s Word as being truth, then if there are apparent contradictions, there is usually a reason – one being a mistranslation, or in many cases, words that now have a different connotation than the original translated word.
    Lastly, the \”Churches\” referred to in the New Testament, are NOT \”Denominations\”, or \”Brands\” of Christianity. These have all broken away from the Church of Rome, which is referred to as the WHORE that \”sits on many waters\” Rev.17:1.
    The mentioned Churches are \”Gatherings of people\” with NO Hierarchy, i.e. Official Organization, and have only Jesus as their Guide.
    As for when Jesus Died, it was a THURSDAY, not a Friday. Check the facts of Passover Rules. The LAMB was SELECTED on the 10th day of the First Month, [Palm Sunday] Jesus was \”Selected\” as \”King of the Jews\”, and on the 14th day of that SAME Month, He was Crucified as \”King of the Jews\” – If you need the Texts to back up my statements I can give them to you.
    Sunday 10th, Monday 11th, Tuesday 12th, Wednesday 13th, Thursday 14th. (Passover Lamb killed in Evening)

  36. Rev 12 is not about a country, it is the one sent from God who received training and worked with Archangel Michael years before to being sent to Israel. The 1260 days were over at the end of last year.

  37. What would you like explained Marianne? The description in Rev 12 is about a real woman and she is also written about in Micah 4. I am the teacher of righteousness called by many other titles/names in the OT, NT, Dead Sea Scrolls and other texts. I am the prophet that was promised to Moses. Who I am was purposely concealed in the scriptures because they were sealed up until my arrival at the appointed time.

    • Rev 12 is about Israel, who comes to faith in Messiah. Literally, to be one woman, it would be about the Virgin Mary. Why do you say the 1260 days were over at the end of last year? What basis are you using?

  38. No Rev 12 is not about Israel I should know I lived it. Belief systems don’t make it so Marianne as the Christ said “If you have not experienced what you write then it is nothing more than hypothesis”. I told you I lived the experience. Why do I know its over? The Christ came to tell me so and then when I tracked it back it fit perfectly with when the divine intervention began.

  39. PS The only part of Rev 12 that connects to Israel in anyway is the fact that I have the moon under my feet e.g. Islam. There is also a Fresco of me in the Vatican. Michelangelo knew the truth about the one that God would send in the last days, he was very smart.

  40. Looking at the recent events your picture of the ram is approaching its earlier form. Mavi Marmara showed that Iran and Turkey are more than friends and during the last days Obama has been strongly pushing that the lower jaw of the beast would be joined to the body by enforcing that Muslim Brotherhood takes over Egypt. He does not say it directly but his actions result in making Egypt a satellite of Iran. Also Jordan is turning into that direction.

    • hi Seppo

      Thanks for the insights. I am very grieved that Obama is pushing for the consolidation of the beast. America is due for judgment. I am downcast about it, but there is nothing I can do about it. We must keep the righteous in our prayers as events unfold.

  41. Hi everybody
    This is my first time at this website. It is just amazing how many good information I got in it. May Hashem bless you all. I spent 30 years at Seventh Day Adventist Church. About 2 1/2 years ago, Hashem openned ours eyes (my wife, my daughter and I) to understand that we were believing in a lie. I am just starting to do my studies in prophecy and your web has been, already and will be of a great help. Thank you for share. Blessings,
    Roger

  42. Just an interesting note about the year 1844:

    You mentioned:
    2. There was another interpretation I read that used 2300 years, instead of days, and ended up erroneously at 1844, which is now just history.

    At first glance, 1844 may seem like an innocuous date, but in reality it was a benchmark year for the church. At that time a preacher names Miller calculated that date referred to the “cleansing of the sanctuary” which he believed referred to the second coming. His congregation (the Millerites) were convinced it was going to be the end of the age and faithfully waited in an open field on the big day, and of course nothing happened. The day is now famously known as “The great disappointment.”
    This day is the subject of Revelation 10:

    Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

    Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

    Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

    The one big thing that came out of this 1844 experience was the formal beginning of the 7th Day Adventist movement. In case you don’t know it, they are very big on prophecy. They have truly taken it to all nations and tongues, far more than other denominations.

    But what about the cleansing? Well, just as Martin Luther began to cleanse non-biblical practices from the Catholic church followed by many others who went even further than Luther to remove pagan Babylon from Christianity, the 7th day Adventists took the last step – to return the sabbath back to it’s true day. Finally, the sanctuary (church) was cleansed.
    And in case you still don’t think the date 1844 has meaning, check out the biblical timeline in the Great Pyramid. After the dates of the exodus and the birth and resurrection of Christ, the next marker is… you guessed it – 1844! I always wondered about that date as I began studying pyramidology before I read the book of Daniel. Now it all makes sense. And it’s nowhere near as complicated as you have made it out to be. It’s all about obeying God’s commandments, as I’ve been saying all along. Seems like they are kind of important to Him. You know?
    Bless.

    • James
      the 2300 days in Daniel is referring to Antiochus persecution september 6th, 171bc thru December 25th, 165bc (exactly 2300 days). After Antiochus’ death, the Jewish people celebrated with the cleansing of the temple on Hannukkah, led by Judas Maccabeus. I thought you yourself had argued that this chapter referred to already fulfilled events? The ram and the Goat are references to Persia and Greece, under Alexander and the subsequent split into four kingdoms under the four generals.

    • And by the way, the Millerites were wrong, that makes that faith based on a “False prophet”. It is no different than Harold Campings latest “prophecy”. As Jay Leno said, They should have a three strikes and your out policy for “prophecies” such as his.

  43. Besides the Antiochus Hanukkah 2300 days, there exists currently in our day, a Chaos based religion which masquerades as parody (hoax) religion, but essentially is a witchcraft-like manipulation skills based philosophy. Discordianism[2] adherents worship Eris[1], the goddess of Strife/Discord. Discordianism runs parallel with the Church of the SubGenius[6].

    The first[1] link is the first page of a 24 page ‘make believe-like’ coloring book which displays the Goddess Eris[8] holding a cup in her hand with the repeating number 23 23 23 23 23 23 engraved all the way around its rim and base, and the base of the cup turns into something like a small dragon’s tail. The woman’s eyes are glazed over like intoxicated, which projects imagery similar to the Mystery Babylon woman of Revelation 17:4-6. Please keep in mind that this[1] is NOT a Christian publication about prophecy. The religion is full of double meaning phrases and has no problem with blaspheme toward Biblical scripture. Their “Holy 23”[3] represents the ‘five fingered hand’ of their goddess Eris who was the first to partake of the Apple, which empowered Eris to become famous. But Eris made GreyFace(God) so angry that He gave her the “Original Snub’ (their term for Original Sin of Eve).

    The Discordianism skills handbook is now called Principia Discordia, but in its first 1965 printing it was called “How the West was Lost.” That is an important phrase and pivotal date for since 1965: witchcraft, divorce, homosexuality, and abortion all four quickly came out of the closet and expanded rapidly throughout the Western Hemisphere. Counting backward 2300 years from 1965, roles history back to the year 336BCE, which is the year Alexander the Great[7], the (Daniel 8:5, Unicorn Goat) came into power, who was the Great Goat of the West, which of course is the Bible chapter we are discussing about this 2300 days Blog page. Homer associated Eris[8] with the Roman goddess of War, Bellona[9].

    The phrase “23 skidoo”[4] came into use about a 100 years ago and it meant “getting [out] while the getting’s good.” The short film ’23 Skidoo’[5] available for free download is about a Neutron Bomb wiping out all life in a big city while leaving the city its self undamaged. The neutron bomb[10] has been described as a “capitalist bomb”, because it was designed to destroy people while preserving property. So this eerie 1964 short film is a little bit about escaping a nuclear disaster before it occurs. Likewise, when following the practice of Eris, an apple of Chaos is ‘sown’ into a public media situation, and Eris quickly hides so as to go unnoticed, then when the Reaction to Chaos is in full blossom, she steps back into the picture with the Solution to get everyone calmed down again, which in turn makes her out to be the Hero, though she remains totally unknown as the villain who actually caused the chaos in the first place!

    The number 23 represents Chaos, therefore the ‘Holy 23’[3] represents savoring the delicious weapon of ‘strife’ which can cause all kinds of demonic wars. And apparently, the 33rd Degree Mason Pin Jewel [11] has written upon it the Latin equivalent to ‘Out of Chaos, Comes Order’ so there is commonality between Eris the goddess of Strife, the number 23, and the War methodology to bring about social change using Problem-Reaction-Solution by world power brokers hidden behind the curtain of what we see coming to us on the superficial news media which reaches us.

    Pro 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: v17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, v18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, v19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth DISCORD(strife) among brethren.

    On a Biblical standard, this ‘23’ represents death or defilement. Thus the 2300 days during the Great Tribulation soon to come upon us has a whole lot to do with something unclean in relationship to the sanctuary. Is it the presence of the antichrist including days leading up to the abomination of desolation plus the days afterward? Is it something to do with the Rev11:2 outer court given over to the Gentiles to trodden under foot? I do not know. But for sure this 2300 days has something directly to do with the word UNCLEAN.

    Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto 2300 days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

    [1] http://www.poee.org/images/91/eris1.gif
    [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
    [3] http://www.poee.org/images/misc/holy23.jpg
    [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_skidoo_(phrase)
    [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_Skidoo_(film)
    [6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius
    [7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great
    [8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(mythology)
    [9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellona_(goddess)
    [10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
    [11] http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/MoneyBanking/Money/IsAmericaBabylon/666USAGreatSeal.html

  44. YOU are so very close james, most of what is said in the bible is a parable,for instance,DANIEL 8:11-Yea he magnified himself even to the prince of the army,and by him the position of employment was made rotten,and the highly venerated,hallowed place was cast down(this is OBAMA the president of the usa and washington d.c.) then we have ,DANIEL 8:12 and an army was given him against the position of employment by reason of transgression,and it cast down the truth to the ground: and it prepared,accomplished,performed,and prospered( the army is DHS,and they RIGGED the election,by casting down the truth and took over the usa and got away with it long enough to destroy america),BECAUSE HE WILL BE IN POWER 2300 DAYS and gets his power from SATAN himself,fooling all the good christians who voted for the anti-christ,now all hell will befall america and the world….this guy will cause massive death in america,get ready and food, water,ammo, medical supplies and a gas mask your going to need it…………..the lord says 3 1/2 yrs of trouble with no food……………….nov.2012 on…………….

  45. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, SO SHALL the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:39-40

    The scribes sure love to invent lies. They should have wrote 2nights and 2days instead. Why such nonsense can be found in New Testament? Well the answer is scribes put made up stories at their own will in Greek text as Aramaic Logia have been eradicate entirely. Thus no men could perform a check on changed words of God.
    ~~~
    Is Greek texts pure word of God. Where is Logia of Jesus in Aramaic. Where is Matthew’s Aramaic gospel?

    P46 (175CE) is Greek manuscript with the largest percentage of difference on record. This just proved that Church have been changing words since early 2nd century at will.

    Here is the words of the early church father, Origen (3rd century CE):
    “The differences among the manuscripts have become great, either through the negligence of some copyists or through the perverse audacity of others; they either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or, in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please.” Origen, early church father in “Commentary on Matthew.”

    Regarding the oldest surviving fragment, Colin Roberts compared P52 writings using ONLY 5 samples from the early 2nd century CE back in 1935 and concluded based on those 5 samples; P52 was from the early 2nd century.

    (Brent Nongbri’s 2005. The Use and Abuse of P52: Papyrological Pitfalls in the Dating of the Fourth Gospel)
    What I have done is to show that any serious consideration of the window of possible dates for P52 must include dates in the later second and early third centuries. – Brent

    Compare with 4th century codexes. You will be surprise how Holy Spirit inside the scribes fail to prevent them from changing words of God ever since the beginning.

  46. I totally agree that the 2300 days takes place during the tribulation. In fact I think it is the time of God’s wrath. Interestingly if you take a chronological approach to Revelation I think the 7 seals take place during the 220 days. In the 6th seal we see people hiding in caves and rocks because the wrath of the Lamb has come. The 6th seal is the Sun Moon and Stars going dark and in Matthew 24:29-31 we see the sun moon and star signs AND the angels gathering the elect from the 4 winds (the Rapture). If the Antichrist appears wages war and death famine and pestilence and a global financial collapse along with 1/4th of the worlds population diying in a 4 month period of time no wonder Jesus said if those days had not been cut short no flesh would be saved.

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