The Jezebel Pastor / Minister
It is not really about God…. It is about him !!!!
He talks about God, but is not in love with Him. God is an academic topic, not someone he has a personal relationship with.
Many claims of exaggerated nature, regarding personal accomplishments, based on self –efforts, not undeserved mercy of God.
He has special “anointing” that makes him someone you need to look up to.
You need to depend on him for prayer and blessings, since you do not have the gifts and favor he does.
He needs to lay hands on you, since he is your intercessor, not Jesus. (He does not tell you this, but he never tells you to go directly to Jesus when in need. He tells you to come up for prayer, and HE intercedes).
* This is different than just praying for someone to show support. We all can intercede for each other as well, but we must recognize the true intercessor, who is Jesus.
Sin of pride. Grandiose self image. Not humble.
Demands attention. Struts around the stage, storms around, or paces around to keep your eyes on him. Very theatrical.
May have a dreamy, far away look in his eyes – this makes him look “spiritual.”
Undaunted by resentment of him, seeks envy as proof that he is something superior that others are not.
Benefits whether – reputation is good or bad- he can use the bad reputation to his advantage, saying the devil is after him.
Overreacts to situations
Boastfully displays God’s blessings as favor from God, and to inspire adulation, imitation, and envy
* Much of his money blessings he got from taking the money you gave to God.
Seeks attention, and special recognition for being so special.
“Be like me” messages.
Manipulates others to obtain status, control, compliance, money, attention.
Effective brainwashing tactics. You believe everything he says, without checking out the content for truth.
Religious cult atmosphere. Too much uniformity in behavior. Putting church as top priority, instead of family. People will let their families go hungry in order to pay tithes to the church, or they will spend more time at church than with their families. Will sacrifice self and family for church, and this puts stress on everyone. Families may break up.
He targets the naive, vulnerable, uneducated or mentally weak. They believe whatever he says.
Great emphasis on money, personal empowerment, prosperity to keep you hooked.
False “power of God” movement – counterfeit – demonic origin. Clue- do you feel no better, or worse afterward, if you are “slain in the spirit?” Think about it. If the real God touches you, He does not do it without it affecting you in a constructive way.
Little or no emphasis on holiness, purity, or humility.
Entertains, or allows, false prophecy to enhance self image or image of his “chosen ones” who help him. God does not choose you, he does.
false prophecy : over generalized, vague, no impact on your spirit, something anyone can say about anyone, or anything. (God loves you, seek my face, come to me, I know your problem, and I will help you, God is calling you to serve Him, this country has problems, etc) Any specific things said were picked up from knowing you anyhow, or they were already predicted in the Bible, and they are plagiarizing it. Or they guess and get it wrong. Future events do not come true.
true prophecy: specific details given, impacts your spirit, unique to you. Say things that only God knows about you, or the situation. No way of knowing these things unless God is involved. What seems like unlikely predicted events actually come true.
He falsely portrays himself to be virtuous, the perfect father, husband, spiritual leader, advisor, mentor, friend.
Controls you by enrapturing you with his spirituality, and you submit.
Can control you by twisting scripture to make you feel guilty if you do not obey him, or do not believe the same way.
Distorts scripture. Puts new meanings on existing passages, or uses them out of context for the purpose of gain.
Feels “gain is godliness” in some way. Poverty is a curse, and you must strive for worldly gain. Jesus “died” so you could be “rich.”
Best response:
Avoid him. Leave.
Know his payoff is attention, money or abusing you.
Be suspicious of excessive charisma.
Ask for fair recognition of anything legitimate you have to offer. If he rejects you as unimportant, take that as a clue as to what he is.
Pray for the church that blind eyes be opened.
If you are brave enough, document wrong doings so they can be exposed later.
Remember that you serve God, not man.
Be ready to minister to any victims he has, and counsel them to leave. Be careful, since he will condemn you to others if he finds out. But do not worry, you do not need his approval anyhow. You only need God’s approval.
See also the Charismatic, Romantic Male Jezebel…
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For the conflict oriented Jezebel man – Spirit of War … Click here for more
See also the rest of the Jezebel Series, including the Female Jezebels…….Click here for more.
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A controlling pastor like that has taken on their own divine power. They become and create their own holy spirit. They also take on a power NOT of God to have dominion over the people to give money. That pastor manipulates them by money to gain the whole world to lose their salvation. That pastor preaches heresy and use their divine authority to teach heresy and create within their congregation the following: thieves, witches, adulterers, pornographers, homosexuals, deviants, child molesters and such the like the bible warns against. As a result, Jesus IS NO LONGER LORD in that congregation.
Queen Jezebel usurped her wimp king husband’s authority to accomplish her selfish desires. Likewise, many pastors usurp God’s authority to accomplish their selfish desires. It is important to know that they know not what they do, as Jesus spoke from the cross. It is almost impossible to convince a Jezebel spirited person of their evil trait because they are certain it is God’s desire for them… DavWms
Hi David,
You are totally right. Very sad, and dangerous. They are spiritually blinded by the spirit of Jezebel, which can prey on males as well as females.
blessings
marianne
What if the Pastor is a woman?
I’m dealing with one now and I’m about to leave there. However I just got schooling on WOLVES IN SHEEP CLOTHING 101, and I believe God is going to use me to warn others about this spirit with strength and confidence. My advice is to stay prayed and fasted up, so you can hear GOD clearlly!
Miranda
good idea to leave. and every good soldier has a few wounds that makes him more wise to the enemy’s devices. be blessed, alert, and safe as you warn others.
Hi Sila
The Jezebel works best in females. But this does not mean every woman pastor is a Jezebel. You have to see if the description matches her.
blessings
marianne
Help! God help me! THis is my husband. He is a “pastor” and there is a female jezebel that is working with him. After service, one time she told me that GOd told her that “all this” and she pointed (we we’re in the sanctuary)” was gonna be hers.” During praise and worship, she’s the praise leader, she pointed to me and shouted on the microphone “Get outta her devi1!”. She’s done the same thing to my son-he’s 15 and he’s teaching himself to play the organ-so he cannot play all that well. When he makes a mistake on the organ, she points her finger and walks over to him and yells on the microphone, “Devil you are a liar!” She’s called all the members and when they testify- they testify about they are glad that she calls to ask about them. I realize that this is her manipulation. She’s gonna preach her first sermon in 2 weeks and I don’t want to be there because I know we (my children) are gonna be the targets. My husband cannot get two words out of his sermon without her yelling a loud ‘amen”. Sometimes she just yells ‘g-l-o-o-o-r-y’. I hate to admit it, but my husband’s sermons are not biblical. He preaches that people can earn their way into heaven by coming to church…He actually has a saying. He starts it out by saying “No work” and the congregation reply “no pay.” He then says “little work” and they say “little pay.’ I tried to explain to him at home that salvation is not by works lest any could boast. He went into a rage, slammed the door of the hinges and cursed me out. Will everyone please pray with me about these demonic spirits!
Kimberly
You are going to have to grab the tiger by the tail on this one.
Divide and conquer.
I am guessing that your husband is an ahab, rather than a jezebel. Ahabs are more passive, and enable the jezebel. If he were a male jezebel, he would be in control and kick her out.
You are the pastors’ wife. The witch has to leave. You do not have to take her abuse.
talk to your husband first……you do not need her running to him for comfort.
Also, he will go with the most aggressive woman, so be aggressive. You do not have to be negative (you can be positively aggressive), but stand up for yourself and the church, and let your authority be known clearly.
Tell your husband she has to go because she is a know it all loud mouth, who is abusive and ungodly, and has no respect for the pastor and his family. Tell him she has stated she plans to take over the church (he will not like that).
That is NOT her church. She has to leave.
Call her outside of church hours, and tell her to leave.
if she shows up at church, and says anything to the congregation, or causes trouble, then you get yourself up there, and explain to the congregation that she is a jezebel, she is causing strife, chaos and division in the church, and is not welcome there until she learns to repent and behave herself.
Tell everyone to pray for her deliverance. The gospel of Jesus is a precious thing, and you are not going to let it be tainted. Jesus commanded the church to remove jezebels, and you are obeying God.
With jezebels, you have to be blunt.
women preaching?? not biblical. women are not allowed to preach. 1 timothy 2:11-14.
Agreed….
Judges 4:4 Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was LEADING Israel at that time.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
amen
I think you mean assertive not aggressive.
Kimberly, I have personally dealt with the jezebel spirit. Very wicked, very controlling. I will tell you what I did. I prayed and prayed and prayed, I then fasted for 6 days(not boasting this is what God lead me to do) … Then God said its time for me to speak to my husband about the jezebel… I told my husband, he then fasted for 3 days. He couldn’t understand how someone who he trusted for so long was really seeking to destroy him and his ministry. After his 3rd day of fast(which is very unusual for my husband to go on a 3 day fast, because he likes to eat) he sought advice from our spiritual leader. Who did indeed tell my husband yes this lady carries the jezebel spirit… Listen tell your wife she is right… I had only been around this lady twice in my whole life… I knew something was wrong, but I had to wait for God to tell me what… When all the other church members just adore her… Some still do, I thank God for removing her out of our marriage… And I think God she doesn’t live her anymore… I suggest pray, fast, read your bible… If the heat gets to hot, al though this is hard to me to advise… Take your children and leave your husband… This jezebel can only be defeated by spiritual warfare… God Bless sister 🙂
Praying for you and about everything you have talked about in in the board.
Hello hi Kimberly, remember that the enemy always attacks the weaker vessel and, it sound like to me God has you on a assignment continue to pray for God to break the yoke and stronghold that have that women leader that is speaking over the pulpit at the congregation,and try to stay prayed up for your children because, what this woman is doing to your son can break him in his spirit and cause your children to stray from pleaded the blood over your family in Jesus Christ name…
Wow that is a frightening read dear sister..pray to God and seek his wisdom on the matter..I do believe the Lord has to speak to him..I will pray for you and your situation! God bless..
OBEY ACTS 2:38
Amen 🙂
ARE YOU APOSTOLIC?
hi john
I guess you could call me that.
what do you mean i guess? are you something else?
hi John
It depends on the definition you are thinking of when you say apostolic. Here are some examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic
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This describes me, although I do not belong to a church with this name:
http://www.apostolicchristian.org/
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I have a different definition of the trinity than they do, however.
because of this – words of Jesus to the Father:
I also do not care much about church super structures or highly complex organizations. I believe in the simplicity of the gospel, the purity of each believer, and the baptism of the holy spirit. Worship and temporal rewards need to be spiritual, deeply reverent (no worldly music), and not materialistic in focus.
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baptisim is the begining of salvation. but how you are baptize is what is important. we were instructed to be baptized in jesus name, according to acts 2:38. so are you saying you believe in trinity?
john
I have been baptized both ways…..
in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit…
and
in Jesus name
are you UPC?
John, first of all let me make it clear. If someone has told you that
baptism is the first step to salvation they are in grave error.
The first and ONLY step to salvation is Jesus Christ ALONE. You
cannot add anything to it….not church attendance, not baptism,
not giving money, etc… I’ve met people over the years who
say they are saved. When I ask how they know they are saved,
many will say they were baptized in this or that church. If you get
“baptized” without first getting saved (born-again according to
John 3:3) then all you did was get wet. You may as well have gone
to the local swimming pool instead of church that day. You
are no more saved by getting baptized than you would become a car just
from sitting in your garage.
Jesus is the ONLY way to God. Yes, baptism is important but in
a different way. Not a path to salvation but a path to identifying with
Christ. More symbolic than anything else. I’ve been baptized twice…
once in my first church and another time in another church. But
not once did I ever think that I was saved through baptism. If someone
is teaching that in your church, you’d better get out and find a true
church; one that knows and preaches the true word of God.
This is the false doctrine of “salvation of works” prevalent in too many
churches, no matter what method you use to get baptized.
what form of baptisim do you believe in? there can only be one form of baptisim. iam straight apostolic.
john
I think either way is acceptable, if it is done after repentance of sins, and belief and trust in the salvation of Jesus as the only way to heaven.
since apostolic can mean different things, either baptism type can be used……..some apostolic say Jesus only….other apostolic say Father, Son and holy spirit……
I also believe in the baptism of the holy ghost, as evidenced in tongues, and the baptism of fire.
no. both ways are not acceptable. we are commanded to be baptize in jesus name. there is no power in father,son,holy ghost. there is power in the name of jesus. in col 3:17 says anything you do in WORD or DEED do all in the name of jesus.
eph 4:5 1 LORD 1 FAITH 1 BAPTISIM.
there is only one correct baptisim,that is in jesus name.
eph 4:5 1 LORD 1 FAITH 1 BAPTISIM. sorry my name is shano, i put john as my name because i didnt think my comment was going to go threw.
talking about demonic spirits anita beijum should have a jezebel spirit.if you pay 5000 dollars for a pen while kids in africa are starving you must be out of your freaking mind
You mean Juanita Bynum, right?
Tell me… will a Jezebel pastor accuse all the women in his church of having the Jezebel spirit or be explosive if things don’t go his way and tell parishoners to leave the church and never come back? Or say he will hunt you down if you leave… or perhaps blame/accuse/lie when you tell him you’re leaving the church? Does this pastor try to keep people dependent upon his annointing?
Rachael
Jezebels are false accusers, and want to control people.
Marianne, I just want to thank you for your Godly counsel. I wrote to you in April. I got as far as sharing with my husband what was going on and he flew into a rage (which he does at the mention the this womans’ name by me-he’s very very protective of her- I think because she brings in so many members). My husband ended up telling ME to leave his church. So I did,I stopped attending the church he pastors’for several months-after which time he begged daily that I return. You told me he’s probably an Ahab- and I can see now that youre right. Once I returned to church-the woman I told you about-had complete control of the church members. So, I cant really stand up for them because , at this point they reject me-only a little girl at the church says hello. The only time anyone says anything to me now is when they ‘invite’ me to a womens ministry that they announced she founded (in fact the first thing I did at the inception of the church ministry was to found the women’s ministry-but then again- she did tell me ‘this is all gonna be mine”-referring to herself. I just found out that he loaned them almost $1,0000 to pay her light bill-(he didnt tell me until she refused to pay him back as agreed.) THere’s so much divsion in oour home-marriage and church. The ony person he’s one with is her-its like she has a spell on him. I know that God told me to dust my feet and I know that I am out of His will at this point. There’s so much that I am going thru at that church-but I am better off spiritually, then when I first wrote you. I just want you to know that your Godly counsel helped me profoundly. You had said to be strong and because of that, I have been reading proclaiming God’s Word of “let the weak say I am strong.” I taught Sunday school for a decade-and no one came-but our 2 children. I have since dusted my feet of that. As a result, I have a much better relationship with God because I spent so much time on my ‘ministry’-now I spend that time with God.I am slowly but surely breaking free. Again, thank you.
Kimberly
You need to kick that bum out of the house.
He has committed adultery – spiritual or physical or both – and he has no business coming home to anything. Sue him for child support.
He has done worse than that. He has turned his church over to satan.
Your children are going to be affected by this. You need to protect them.
To stay with him makes you look weak and enabling.
Get rid of him, and get that witch on the phone and tell her she is a witch, and come and get his weak, stupid self.
If he can give that much money to her, he can afford child support + alimony.
That is my humble opinion, but you make the decision.
It’s a pretty sick situation and you’re right-I do need to protect our children. I decided on a divorce months ago. But, again I want to thank you because you-a stranger-have been there for me at the lowest points in my life. I also want you to know that I am not the same person I was in April-I have experienced true liberty in Christ-a much better relationship with God. God has blessed me with joy now. I was oppressed and under the enemies foot and its as if, you brought a light and pointed the way. Thank you!
Kimberly,
You have already proven that you are strong in the Lord.
You will make it, whatever your decision is.
Remember, Jesus is your real husband and pastor.
Hi Kimberley, its been 3 years down the line. Howz everythin? My heart goes out to you and my prayers are with you.God will not give you more than you can bear.
Kimberly, Just trust in God darling. Trust in God. God does not want us to be friendly with people who carry this spirit. I’ve even had other church people come against me on this issue. 1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils… Marianne is right… Please do God’s will sister Kimberley. I will keep you in my prayers. God Bless…
Kimberly, I, would like to know how
you are doing and how you decided to deal with the
Jezebel spirit in the church your (ex?)
husband pastors. Is the woman with ungodly intentions
still in the church or did your husband get the
backbone to kick her out? I’ll tell you what I did when
I realized there was manipulation and false
accusation going on in the church I attended for many
years. I was opposed to leaving for a long time. I felt
leaving church was a sin, though I often felt worse
after I left a service than I did before. It was stealing my joy and
robbing me of the freedom Christ died to give me. After
much prayer the Lord told me to “wipe the dust off
my feet” . I went two more times after that. I now
see I should have left immediately and not hesitated once
I knew for sure God had spoken that to me. He even had one
of my acquaintances call me out of the blue to tell me she
felt she had a scripture for me. It was the same scripture God
gave me concerning wiping the dust off my feet and leaving.
This was the only church home I knew after getting
saved and this was my “family”. I saw how they were
spiraling downward into a religious mode rather than the
“on fire for God” church they were years ago.
They were getting more and more “seeker friendly” with
each passing year and were more concerned with what
people thought than what God thought. I think as the church
grew and more people came there were some who came
in with a Jezebel spirit and started trying to
infiltrate the services…Jezebel will be very uncomfortable with
a true move of God. Jezebel likes things to be religious
and predictable. A month after I left I had no choice but to
return for my best friends funeral held in the church. I could
sense that nothing had changed nor would it. It makes me
sad to think that this church which had such a powerful
move of God is now more concerned about it’s image and
how it “looks” to the community. I say the community needs
to see the supernatural move of God…that’s what brings
people to Jesus. They can find religion anywhere/what
they need is an encounter with the Lord. I’m guessing after
so many years, unless there was a dramatic display of
divine intervention, you have left that church. When God says
“wipe the dust off your feet” he means it. Maybe I overlooked a
new comment from you but if not, please let us know how
you are doing and what, if anything, has changed in your
life these days. God bless!!
Marianne, I absolutely KNOW that you have encountered the Jezebel Spirit, because EVERYTHING you point out is true! My story begins like this. I am in my 2nd Marriage. I’m married to an Elder. I LOVE GOD with ALL that I have. I live to please HIM! Well, I was reunited with my husband in January (our Fathers were friends) and Married Him in October. It was a Whilwind romance! I had been asked to marry at 2 other people before my husband, but I was waiting on GOD. (or so I thought). My misery became intensified right after we got back from our honeymoon. Some women sent him a txy indicating that he was the father of her baby. another women was emailing me stating that I need to larn how to keep my man! I chalked it up to jealousy or envy. Then the Money mismanagement surfaced! He gets paid weekly. Either the entire check was eatin up by Overdraft fees, or he spent his money on what he wanted and I PAID the BIlls! We both have children, but not together. He lived in my parents old home with me until we could find another (we still haven’t) and there began to be soooo much strife in our home. The only time he (the Elder) picked up his Bible is when he had to preach (which I’ve only seen 4 times) in the year we’ve been married or when I had a question on what I was studying. His “interpretation” of the Word is scewed. It’s crazy! One day in my prayer time I asked the Lord to please show me what I am dealing with…He Led me Here! In fact Marianne, I believe at one time in my life I may have even operated in pride or rebellion. I thank God for deliverance! He has left the home for the past 3 weeks. He runs from the Word…It’s so sad. I don’t miss him, and that makes me feel bad because I really believed I heard from God concerning him…Even though I saw many, many, many red flags. One of his best friends is the Pastor of the church he attends (Ahab maybe?) He preaches this sunday and I am not lead to go. I don’t condone preaching something extremely different than what you are living. The one positive to this situation is that I believe that God has absolutely confirmed the ministry HE will use me for. HE wants me to SPEAK what HE says, no matter the cost. I have died to me! The hardest thing to face right now is, I somewhat feel like a failure…Even though I teach my Children in the Lord, if this marriage fails it will still be a failed marriage. I’m really trusting God to pick up the pieces of my life….Any insight you can offer is welcomed and appreciated. Thank you for yielding to your call.
hi Letres
first of all, don’t let him come back. He will never repent.
second, if you are due any alimony, or property settlements, get that done
File for divorce….let him play his games….he will burn up at the end.
You are not a failure…. you just misjudged him.
You were trusting…now you are wiser.
Just stay close to God, and stay away from the bozo loser…….
You do not need anyone dragging you down….so write him off as a mistake, and do not crucify yourself over it.
you are going to be ok. 🙂
Hello Letres….I read with sadness your comment about the state
of your marriage. You made a mistake, albeit a complicated one, but
we’ve all done things we wish we could undo. You think leaving
this man would make you a failure. YOU are not the failure in
this case. HE IS! I am against divorce, as a rule. I never counsel
women to divorce, I always try to get them to give it more chance.
I know the power of prayer as I’ve seen God do things in my own
marriage that once seemed impossible.
That is, unless and until their husband is found to be in an
unrepentant adulterous lifestyle, abusive to the wife or kids,
or a wolf in sheeps clothing like your husband seems to be. I
see your comment was dated Oct 7, 2010, so you may or may not
be divorced by now. But I had to give you some encouragement
like others have done. YOU ARE NOT THE FAILURE; YOUR
(EX?)HUSBAND IS. God loves him too so I would pray for him
when God leads, but you are not his babysitter. He is the one
that dropped the ball. He obviously was/is using you to support
him. I have a friend whose christian husband abandoned her and
their two kids who were teens at the time to go off with a woman
who died a short time later. The family has not seen or heard
from him since and they only find out bits and pieces here and
there from others who “happen” to hear something about this
man. He was an attorney when they were married, so he’s
always able to keep one step ahead of them finding him.
He was tracked down through someone else when his daughter
got married; she wanted him to “give her away”. I say he
gave her away a long time ago. Anyway, even though they
know he got the message, he never responded in any way.
It would be great for him to see this, but I doubt he would
recognize himself from this. I never met him…I only met the wife
after he had left her…after over 20 years of marriage.
My bible says “A man that won’t support his family is worse
than an infidel.” I can’t and won’t judge his heart; only God can
do this….but the bible says we will know them by their fruit.
Now, do you see that in that case as well as yours…you,
even though none of us is perfect, are NOT the failure.
Your (ex?) husband is. He is supposed to be the spiritual head
of the family, anyway.
This site and the information you present is very interesting. I attend a church founded by one well known authorities on the Jezebel spirit. He does say that this demon can inhabit either gender, but gives little information on male Jezebel’s other then Balaam. I have studied my pastors works and others, (especially John Paul Jackson) to determine how to identify and deal with a male Jezebel, and I have independently come up with nearly every thing that you have listed here.
The hardest one for me was the question of a male Jezebel’s sexuality, and his attitudes toward intimacy, which you have indicated differently then what I was expecting and so far finding.
You dubbed the male Jezeble with captivating Romeio like traits, and one that can slyly seduce women, which I didn’t think of.
However, I have found men I believe may be Jezebelic as overly chauvinistic, and perhaps even prude. (at least on the surface)
This seemed the most logical male counterpart to the female Jezebel as being liberated, and promisecuis, with the reasoning that female Jezebels want to undermine and domenate male figures of authority. But for a man to be promiscuis is not as shocking as when women are, so that wouldn’t be effective. However, for a man to be more prude and chauvinistic would further oppress and undermine women in a sociatiy that does so anyway.
But on the other hand, putting in the romantic part of the equation does make since because that would be the male counterpart to women being seductive and alluring.
Have you heard of male Jezebels as being more chauvenistic then most men are?
I don’t see too much in your blogs on their claims to being prophets. Some, but not a lot, and isn’t being prophetic one of the most major trademarks of Jezebels?
The other one I’m not sure of is number 6 from your Charismatic Male Jezebel blog, being in a hurry to marry. It seems to me that the opposite would be more likely. That they don’t want a commited relationship unless there is no other choice. Perhaps you have some more enlightenment on this one.
You have a very contemporary work here, and I am impressed.
hi Byran
There are varieties of personality types within the Jezebel framework.
I have mentioned the female personality types more than the males. They all have the core traits ( they all lie and control, etc), then, but with variations due to personality.
For example, with the female, she can be outwardly aggressive, controlling, loud and promiscuous. But she can also be passive- aggressive, quiet, sneaky or whiny (poor little me – the victim) to get attention.
The male can do this too.
The impulsive charismatic male will show insincere interest in a woman, to convince her she is to submit to him. Mentioning marriage to a woman signals commitment, and she is more flattered and submits, thinking she has found love in her life. Of course, he does not mean it. He might marry her, but he is not faithful.
There are also men who are outright bullies….the excessive chauvinistic type. These men will beat their wives, or at least bully them around, and force submission. They are also the ones who can come to power in a country, and oppress the people.
The prude type sounds more like an Ahab to me.
The source of power behind the Jezebel woman is an Ahab male.
He is the one with the authority, but he delegates it to her, so he won’t have to take action himself.
In a workplace, he is the director, and she is the manager under him. In a church, he is the pastor, and she is the prophetess that controls the church. In a marriage, he is the husband, and she is the one who makes all the decisions in the family. Damage abounds due to the Jezebel female under the Ahab, but the Ahab will do nothing to stop her, and nothing to help her victims. He could care less.
A true Jezebel will dominate.
A true Ahab will let Jezebel do it. However, he does have his authority to act independently aside from her. For example, in a workplace, he may have areas in which he does exercise authority just because the Jezebel is not qualified.
An example is a university department head. He is a PhD. He will make decisions over other faculty because the Jezebel office manager only has a BA degree and has no authority over the faculty. However, she runs his office, and can make the faculty miserable when they enter her territory.
A male Jezebel who is both prude (more like an Ahab) and chauvinistic (more like a Jezebel) is one I have to think about. I usually write about the ones I have met. If you know of one, I welcome you to write up a description of it, and I can look it over and consider posting it.
Both the male Jezebel and the Ahab are men with power and authority in their situations.
Oy so now I think this new friend/sister in the Lord is dealing with that. Same symptoms…victim mentality, wants control, takes your weaknesses and uses them against you. Do you stay in relationship or continue to forgive and walk in love?
Robin
Stay away from anyone like this. They will eventually either back stab you, or attack you to your face.
You can walk in love, but you don’t have to be in their path.
You deserve better friends than this.
Good friends build you up, not tear you down.
Well, I’m with my mouth open, but I’m so glad that God givme the revelation that this Pastor have the spirit of jetzabel. I had a dream and when I start reading some websites my dram was more clear.
Hey uhm I just found out that I got the spirit of jezebel I don’t want it.
hi vasti
Actively reject the spirit, in Jesus name. Also learn about it. Here is a link that gives a list of types of jezebels. Knowledge is power.
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?s=jezebel
One post is healing for jezebel. You need a strong male christian figure in your life to help destroy the jezebel inside of you, and help bring out the real beautiful you.
You can also write and ask questions. I will keep you in my prayers.
I read some of the posts, as a Christian we need to be careful and discerning. So many of the comments are not even godly not Christian….. col. 3:18-19, We have to take the whole counsel of God. If we do not have a Biblical concel to give it better to be quite and say nothing lest we be the cause of someones distruction 1Corinthina 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
Hi!!! I totally agree the material You have mentioned above coz I personally have been studying bout it with some elderly women n mothers.I Have a true and live example in Mumbai,India.A so called ‘Man Of God’ too and his Leadership Members. His Name Is Pstr.Willie Soans and His wife Beverly also not to forget His Confidante Sister Juliana Leslie. I’m personally sharing this with You coz It’s very Sad to see This Spirit of Filth moving in their Church. VERY VERY concerned for this church most of all for THE BODY OF CHRIST !!! I am concerned coz I have been a part of this Church and my heart pains to see all of it however praying with selected intercessing women and moving practically too… If you allow me to share the Happenings of this church,I would be glad and privilidged to do so thru ur E-Mail adress. Hoping to keep in touch with You!!…
I heard him speak this year in the UK. The individual prophetic words he gave at the end to those who went forward seem to have at least some substance. However, his manner seemed somewhat intense and unnatural and, as someone who gives prophetic words myself, I found his words imprecise and fragmentary, In short, that is why I ended up here!
Nevertheless, I may still be willing to receive whatever may yet be the voice of God regardless of the vessel.
I would therefore be keen to know your experiences and would ask you to try to write calmly, clearly and understating where possible, as I would be more likely to listen.
Thank you for your courage in sharing.
Further to my comments, here is my email address, if you would like to reply – thanks …
Let’s not be quick to judge! I just came across this today..and sad to read what is written here…
We are called to gracious and our words seasoned with salt.
Let’s judge nothing and no one before time!
Harvest is plenty workers are few….
Let’s be soul winners for Jesus.
Prune, you should realize that by openly accusing a man of God like this you are inviting judgment from God. The fact is that God is taking Community of Hope and the church in Mumbai to greater heights in Him, and your finger-pointing is not going to stop that!
And Stuart, every prophetic word should be weighed with the word of God. If you found Pastor Willie’s words imprecise, the how about mailing the man? Do you find posting blog comments on the issue most constructive? Pastor Willie has been moving in the prophetic for decades, and I have personally witnessed how God has used him to transform lives and change destinies! A man can always make mistakes though, so weigh every word a prophet brings with the word of God!
last line: every word a prophet brings should be weighed with the word of God!
Can someone who has not spent a day with us know us better than God does?
Then whose report will we choose to believe?
God’s for sure!
I choose to believe in the One(Jesus Christ my Lord) who saved me 32 years back!
For He knows me inside out. Nothing is hidden from Him.
He knows my entire past that was spent without Him and He forgave me and remembers it no more!
He has watched my every step after that and picked me up when I fell.
He never ever left me, He is still working on me, I know the day I see Him I will be like Him!
So it’s what our God says or think that really matters!
He loves each of you with an everlasting love!
Please specify, facts and details of how is the Jezebel spirit moving in this church. Who is it under? What’s going on there?
nathan
The explanation is given in the post above on this page. Jezebel is a spirit of control. it is charismatic witchcraft. it is under satan, and usually it is in the position of pastor, pastor’s wife, or elder of the church.
Marianne, thanks however, I am we’ll aware of this spirit. I wanted to know which church was this cause I have friends who might be going there and they must be cautioned. So, without any hesitation, pls post and educate us about this church and what’s going on
the jezebel spirit is in many churches, most likely all of them to some degree. just watch for the behavior and be aware.
Prune, do furnish details. It’s important for the body of Christ when u exposé these acts of darkness and not let them get away with what’s going on.
Not in members?
cj
yes, it can be in members as well, who quickly get the favor of the pastor, so it is hard to oppose them.
But she said, we havethe jezebel spirit long time ago because we are controling our parents. Her example was me telling my mother what to buy in groceries. Thats not true, infact i dont want my mother to always ask me because i want her to decide because thats her right as mother. That simple matter she told me i have jezebel spirit. As per her explanations abt it, its a controlling spirit. How can i be a controlling person?
you are not controlling.
she is nuts…loco
This is my personal e-mail address…
hi Prune
You can write me. Just hit reply when you get this message.
Hi,
I am the worship leader at my church, have been for almost two decades. For some reason, i felt lead to look up a controling spirit this morning as i can’t leave the church. I have tried on 5 occassions and have failed. Also my Pastor and his wife have there hands in every area of ministry including the worship ministry. As i read the main article on the Jezebel spirit and this one, i was shocked at how close the descriptions resemble my Pastor and his wife.
On a seperate note, the jezebel discription also describes my mother.
I just want to say thank you to whoever put this post together. You have no idea how many people you liberated thru the time and research you spent putting this together.
Thank you
MZX
you are welcome, MCZ. Stay strong in the lord an do not let the spirits get to you, esp if they rule in your church. If you have a jezebel spirit in your pastor and wife, the church will go in the wrong direction.
In pastor Jezebel cases, more often then not it’s not the pastor but his wife with the Jezebel spirit. He, having an Ahab spirit simply acts as HER puppet. You won’t be able to tell this though unless you are well versed in recognizing Jezebel.
However, it can happen that the pastor is indeed a Jezebel. In which case the wife may not have any spirit at all, or may have some other spirit, which is subject to the Jezebel principality. There is not just one, but many Jezebel spirits in the devil’s domain. Most of them are higher ranking like generals, which are known as principalities.
also very true!
Women are Jezebels more often then men, but seldom ever do they hold a leadership position, or directly lead when Jezebels inhabit a woman. Such cases usually result in a Jezebel in close proximity (such as wife, secretary, or leading a prayer group) to a male pastor which has an Ahab spirit.
What you are describing Miranda, does not sound like a minister with a Jezebel.
However what you are describing as what God is going to use you for is really not a calling. It is a cleverly disguised mentality and/or spirit known as accuser of the brethren, (see Rev. 12:10;)
Nearly all accusers believe they have some kind of ministry or calling in exposing corrupt or ungodly leadership to other churches, believers and the Christian community. They usually identify themselves with Berean;s (Acts 17:11;) because they search out the Scriptures themselves. This is indeed correct and noble, but the record says nothing about them exposing ungodliness from their findings.
The Word instructs exposing sins of leaders only after several other measures have been tried, and then keep in mind the epistles giving such instructions is addressed to other leaders.
This isn’t to say you have no recourse if you find yourself under ungodly leadership. You can leave the church in question yourself, but do not draw any kind of attention from other church members about your leaving, no matter how much you would like to.
A minister of God is still a minister of God, even if he/she has fallen into sin, and therefore is still anointed of God. (1 Sam. 26:9;)
You may remember how David was chased all over the middle east by Saul, when he was attempting to kill David. If anyone had right or reason to bring down Saul it was David. David had several such opportunities, but refused to because Saul was still anointed, even though he had obviously fallen into sin.
That standard has not changed, even with all that Jesus did. Leaders MUST be respected and honored.
Find a new church and be quiet about it, and if you feel the Holy Spirit is leading you into some kind of ministry of exposing sin or wrong, pray about it and obtain conformation.
hi byron
I agree with what you said, but not about maintaining that every pastor is anointed. Many were not called by God, but they, instead, called themselves into ministry, and do not belong there. Some may have fallen, and become ungodly, and others were ungodly to begin with.
Hi Marianne;
I don’t dispute that some ministers call themselves, and there’s no denying that some just plain don’t belong in pastoral positions. But God honors His spiritual principles even when others don’t. He still covers their anointing because that’s His promise to those who take on leadership roles. However, He does also holds them to a higher accountability as well, so when their judgement day arrives, He will recompense them for their evil. We, (who are not in leadership) have to trust God at His Word, when He said, “vengeance is mine, and I will repay them of their iniquities.”
Hard as it may be, I’d rather let God deal with them for what they did to me, then to have God deal with me for what I did to them. It’s a far easier choice to simply and quietly switch to a different church, IF a leader has mistreated me, and perhaps in my judgement day, God will honor me for having honored them when they were less then honorable. That seems to me more like what Jesus would have done, and I want to be Christ like.
Byron, I agree with you on most aspects. However,
we must guard our hearts, according to the word of
God. He says we must be careful what we hear. If we are
in a church that is preaching false doctrine we must get
out of that church, because even if we think we are strong
enough to handle it, what we hear over a period of
time will influence our thinking eventually. I personally attended
a group twice a month that started out being right-on
about the word, and the pastor is charismatic in his
preaching.He pastors
a church in another town but volunteered to preach
at these meetings held in a
hotel lobby twice a month). We could count on him preaching
correct doctrine until the last couple of years when he started
saying things like we need to stop praying and only praise God.
I knew what he meant by that but there were newer people
in the Lord that started attending and I think he was
causing confusion.That’s only one example of what seemed
to be him getting off track. We should praise God even before we
see the answer but the bible says to PRAY ALWAYS, without
ceasing. God doesn’t mean we should do nothing
but pray 24/7, but praying, to the Christian ,should come as easily
as breathing. I think that’s what He meant when He said “without
ceasing”. The pastor , without exception, has a “word”
for anyone that has just started coming and it always falls
flat, it seems to be in the flesh. It’s always generic and when he
has said certain things would happen by a certain date or time,
it doesn’t. Then of course that disappoints the person who
thought she was getting a genuine word from God. I don’t want
to judge his motives, but I think he’s trying to get them to come
back to the meetings, since the group is so small in numbers and
always has been. The newer ones that come may attend 3 or 4
times on average and not come back. I’ve noticed that a very
godly couple that was attending for years left over a year ago
and have not been back. When I saw them at a funeral, they
made a vague excuse and tried not to answer the question
of whether they would come back or not. I sensed they were
feeling the same thing I was. To anyone wanting to leave a
church maybe ask yourself some questions…am I simply not
getting my way on something and feel entitled? Am I being
petty or overly-sensitive to things simply because it’s
uncomfortable? But if the reason is that you sense the leader
is not teaching biblical truths, or is doing so in a way that
does not line up with the word of God, or is downright wrong,
then I would leave and wait on God to see where He might lead
you to go. We should allow no one to stand between us and
our growth in God. Yes, pray for them. But it’s up to them to
allow God to change them, we can’t do it for them. We all still
have free will.
good decisions based on what you say
You make a good point Byron about letting tares alone (which sometimes are found in leadership).
Mat 13:29 But he said, No; lest while ye gather the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
It was a blessing to learn of Eze34 which I never heard preached in church. It describes bad shepherds feeding themselves while neglecting to nurture and protect the sheep, even to the point of kicking sheep out of the flock. Several failures are listed. A high point seems to be Eze34:18 where such a shepherd takes subtle priceless gems of scripture and deliberately twists them into nothingness (fouling the deep waters), thus injuring the work of the Holy Spirit in the sheep’s lives.
A promise is given in Eze34:12,13 which amplifies Jesus in Mat18:11,12 detailing a future ‘last days’ CLOUDY and DARK DAY when all the sheep would be called to return to the mountains of Israel where the ‘Good Shepherd’ would be their shepherd.
Mat 18:11,12 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. v12 How think ye? if a man hath a 100 sheep, and one of them is gone astray, doth he not leave the 99, and go to the mountains, and seek that which is gone astray?
Eze 34:11-13 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I even I, will both search for MY SHEEP, and seek them out. v12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the CLOUDY and DARK DAY. v13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land(ALL Sheep Aliyah), and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
Eze 34:28 And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast(666) of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
I am going through dealing with the Jezebel spirit in my husband. he did the romeo thing, married me fast & instantly turned into split personalities and hated me. He is a pastor of a congregation here & I know who he is behind closed doors. I am preparing to get away from him and sever all my ties with him. I am concerned now because i made an inner vow never to step foot in church ever again. I don’t want to go to hell over this. Thank you for your site and spreading the truth.
dear mary
You will
not
go to hell if you do
not
go to church. You would go to hell if you rejected Jesus as your savior.
Worship the Lord in spirit and in truth, your body and spirit is your temple now.
You have been spiritually injured. Take time to heal.
I pray Mary, that Holy Spirit speak gently and clearly to you, what He feels best regarding the vow thing and the other stuff.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Mary (dated Feb. 2012); I see that you were last considering
leaving you husband, the pastor of the church you attended.
You then said you were terrified to stay out of church altogether.
You were burned by the hypocrisy happening in your home
compared to the personna he displayed at church. Mary, like
Marianne said…you will NOT go to hell for not going to church.
The only thing that sends someone to hell is rejecting Jesus
Christ as their Lord and Savior. Church does not save people.
Baptism does not save people. Good works do not save people.
ONLY JESUS SAVES…PERIOD! All those other things are good.
Attending church is good for learning more of the word,
fellowshipping with other Christians and worshiping God
among other believers. Or at least that’s how God intended
church to be. I think most of them have gotten so far offtrack
they no longer remotely resemble what God intended. I too
have been (verbally) abused by a pastor for two decades. I
was afraid to leave for awhile because I had been taught
that it’s a sin to not attend church. But God told me once and
for all to wipe the dust off my feet and get out. I am not in
any church right now and I’d love to be…but every time I’ve
been to one in the last two years I see so much unbiblical
things, things that are hurting more than helping. I will attend
a church when God leads me to. Stay around good christian
friends who have proven to be true friends and who love God.
Fellowship in your home or theirs. Tell only those who can
be trusted your deepest hurts. Let God heal you. Don’t rush
into any other church if you are not 100% sure God is leading
you there. Mary, I don’t know you but something about you
has touched my heart. I will pray for you. If you come back to
this site, please let us know some of what’s happening in
your life right now.
Mary, about making a vow to never step foot in a church
again. You were worried about going to hell over that.
First of all repent for making such a vow in the first place
but know that making that vow and sticking to it
will NOT send you to hell. Church
is a God inspired institution, just like the ‘family’ is. God
wants us surrounded by other godly believers in Christ
to encourage us and lift us when we start to fall. But church
is NOT our Savior/only Jesus is our Savior. Have you
found another church? If not have you considered
a bible study group with other women or a prayer group
consisting of others that have left church for one reason
or another? At the very least maybe having lunch once a month
with a group of women that love to talk about God and what
He’s doing in their lives. That could be very encouraging.
Just don’t isolate yourself from other believers. Ask God
to send you those that will be true friends and will not
betray your confidence. And be cautious of men who will
“woo” you with charm and charisma. A true man of God will
not force you to make quick decisions or to do something
against your will. I know one case where a christian woman
was told by a man in her church that she was “the one” and
convinced her to marry him, even though she admits she
never felt a strong attraction to him. She thought he was
hearing from God but God was not telling her the same thing.
Now years later they have 3 or 4 kids together and they are
divorced. His new wife is the woman who watched their kids
in the nursery while they sat in church together each Sunday. His
new wife was also married and got divorced before she
married this man. Now the spurned woman sits in church
alone while the new wife sings in the church choir.
Another case is a woman I got to know when she was dying
of cancer. The man she married also convinced her she was
“the one” and almost immediately after marriage became
abusive and nothing like the character he portrayed before
they married. It’s sad because she would have needed a
kind and loving husband as she went through this thing
with cancer. Fact is, she would have been better off with no
husband…she had plenty of christian women friends to love
her through it and hold her hand. She was one of the kindest
women I know of and had a heart for God. She died never
having known what it was like to have a husband who loved
her. A third woman I met after her husband had abandoned
her and their two kids after 20 years of marriage has not
heard from this man again, even though he lives in the same
city their grown daughter now lives in with her new husband.
He does not even try to contact them…I could understand
not having contact with the ex wife, but his own kids?
Please women, use wisdom in marrying. If you don’t know
100% in your heart that God has spoken to YOU, then don’t
marry a man that insists it’s “GOD” even if you don’t think
it is. But if you’ve married that way there is still hope for
the marriage to work out.God can and does do miracles.
If you’re divorced now don’t beat yourself up over that
ALL of us make mistakes and NONE of us are perfect. God
promised to bring beauty out of ashes and once we’ve
been rescued out of the drama and the trouble we will
be wiser and be able to comfort others in their times of need.
Hi Mary. I agree with the previous response, but wanted to add that from the description you gave, you husband likely is not a Jezebel, but something else. However, spousal abuse is spousal abuse. Do what you need to do for yourself, and especially to heal, but please do not estrange yourself from church based on your current situation. Get out and set up in a better situation. Then find yourself a new church where the leadership will support you, yet still help you to keep accountable.
Hello Marianne
How do you deal with this spirit if it is a relative, your mother for instance, who is the pastor?
Do not associate with jezebels. It is unfortunate that she is a relative, but to be around her is toxic, and you do not need her. Being a pastor, she is a hypocrite, and her religion is toxic also, so go somewhere else to church.
Hello Marianne
My eye caught your Jezebel articles and I started reading these because I provide accommodation for a pastor who has spoken since he moved in about how the Jezebel spirit is creating destruction in this village. In afterthought I realized that he might be plagued by this spirit himself; what do you think?
He started by making exaggerated comments about my talent (I am a classical musician); how he sees financial prosperity come over this house; made observations about my family history which were partly true, but refused to say everything that he “saw”; made a number of false prophecies about what God told him would happen about various things; started to act possessively, as if he owns the house; started relationships with women while he was still trying to heal a relationship with his ex -; started smoking again; telling lies, for instance about how much he pays me for rental of a room; publicly insulted a fellow pastor publicly because he didn’t want to give him a testimonial he needed for his work at prison etc.
The processes seem clear: flatter to evoke emotional reaction; make predictions to gain position and control; try to dominate; play people off against one another; tell lies; become angry when exposed; don’t show much regret.
The man comes from a bad background: orphanage with divorced parents, an abusive stepfather, no or very little contact with the real father. Apparently he had childhood visions of becoming a pastor but were reluctant to follow this path because of his background.
Quite a complex case, as one doesn’t know to what extent he might be anointed. Apparently he is successful in his work with criminals such as rapists, murderers and so on, but one doesn’t know if this is just because they are more easily dominated than other people. At the moment he has been temporarily suspended, because of too many “stories” about lies etc. There are good qualities such as a genuine empathy with the underdog, regardless of cultural background.
Thanks
hi Ben
he is a fraud, and you should not associate with him.
Dear brethren in christ.I greet you in the name of Jesus.Am very much happy to see your website to see a woderful teaching. please can you send us teachings which can make grow spiritual.us we hope to hear from you soon.Yours pastor Richard k
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Wow! My husband is a pastor and he’s loves people, and has amn outreach ministry, deals with a lot of broken and homeless. This one young adult joined the church about a year ago. Distressed,trouble in her marriage, so we took her in now she is at one of the shelters the church has. In a few minutes she became a minister! my husbands said she was called by God, but it was hard for me to believe. I know God can do anything, but this didnt seem right. She is naive, broken family, always complaining, panic attacks, hurting, to where the pastor gives her extra attention. My children just cant seem to get along with her. She trys to get more attention than my teenage girls because the father (pastor) always doing for our girls. I told my husband i detest a jezebel spirit! she’s over the praise team, preaches, driven my husband’s car all the time at one point, until i had a talk with him. would buy him lunch or dinner if i didnt cook, cause he’s always at the church which open 24/7 you might as well say, because of the homeless needing to come in for shelter. she would always hug me and do little things like take my bags to car and so forth. A few months after she joined the church she became the administrative sec., min., praise team leader, spoke at a couple of churches, drives the church suv, and became pastor’s personal assistant! I didnt feel that was of God, so I spoke to my husband and he said, he needed one and she was a true servant, she loved to serve as he did! He does serves people in need and not in need, My husband is a good man loves me and family, but i think this spirit of jezebel crept in our church and is trying to worry him and pull him down and destroy the ministry and his name. Now she is in love with him! one other leader asked her and she bowed her head down as if she was shamed. I been trying to tell my husband this the first few months when she joined. She is married but is in the process of divorcing her astrained husband. she is younger than my oldest child that is 26yrs. She seem to be sweet, naive, etc. but scared to show me things a first lady should be involved in! She rather send pictures of her dresses or what to wear to church to my husband ratther me or any other woman for that matter. I adressed her about it and she had no answ.
ive’ been reading about books on jezebel and its it terrible how the enemy can creep in. I recognized few and exposed them and husband finally seen after someone else in church agreed with me, but this one takes the cake. I don’t know rather to leave my husband or continue attending that chruch. He says he do not in any way love her and told her she was out of order! should she “sit down” in the church. (no activites?)
I NEED SPIRITUAL ANSWERS!
OOPS! on line four in my blog i meant “in a few months” not minutes
use your authority as a pastor’s wife.
She should be dismissed from her assignments, and position, and SUV, and other privileges…….until she repents and matures.
in the meantime, she should be sent on her way.
Your husband is dumb. he needs to wise up.
Get some of the women of the church together who see what you do and confront her together.
give her your decision that she has this spirit and cannot remain in the church until she changes her mind and behavior, including chasing her husband, which will not be an overnight thing.
for for the good of the church, and herself, she has to leave.
do not let her apparent sweetness fool you.
be firm.
your husband belong to you, not her.
since your husband is not doing his job, you do it, and then tell him you are taking charge….he is acting like an ahab, so he needs straightening out too
he needs to man up and act like a man of god, or resign from his position, if he cannot handle one jezebel spirit.
if you let this go, she will tear up the whole church with her plans and ideas.
Jezablel man eat insites. need to learn this deeply
This is very interesting to read i praise God for exposing the male jezebel i feel for women who have been manipulated and blackmailed into false relationships or the former married woman whos lives have been destroyed by a man whos purose was to control do’ the devils work to seek to kill steal and destroy a spiritual husband led by the Holy Spiritual does not abuse his wife or use blackmail Genesis 2.24 NLT says. This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his and the two are united into one. Some men have never left their parents some men trap women who are weaker vessel some men use fame money to own a woman but in their hearts they have an abusive attitude this happened to my financee 20 years when she was tricked into a civil marriage when she was 19 a male jezebel does believe in one in marriage but not for Gods purpose this male took full advantage acting to please his parents via manipulation used lies to use his religious and work title to blackmail in the end the my financee now suffered emotonal violent abuse and control she lived in fear i believe in helping my financee escape from the philippines and come here to australia and have her life restoreed i believe a real spiritual man of God leaves his father and mother for the right reasons and joined together with his spiritual wife whom God has chosen so both are united as one to both work for God thank you for sharing your research
I am in pain right now because it goes worse day after day.My pastor manipulates my husband and now my husband manipulates me.the last thing my hhusband sad to me was I must not have a spiritual relationship with my aunt(she left the church 2 years ago.
He don’t want me to pray with her because she is false.I am tired he didn’t have any respect for me anymore.he don’t by food ,go whereever he wants to and tell the pastor everything I am doing.what can I do ,I have four children and have no job yet.so he has more power over me.(
rachida
Why are you in this church of sin? Quit the church. Your husband submits to the pastor because of he is more aggressive than your husband, who sounds passive.
Keep your prayer time with your aunt. Tell the pastor to butt out of your business, humble himself before God, and keep his hands off your husband. tell your husband you will not put up with his nonsense any more, and you will do what the Lord directs you.
Hi marianne,
Thank u for the encouragement you give me. I really want to leave this church,but my husband won’t.and some people say to me,I must follow my husband,the Lord will not answer my prayers,because I am not under the order of the Lord wich is God- Jesus-husband-wife.
Do you have experience about this?
Phil,
It is very kind and courageous of you to admit that the jezebel spirit is also working through men. Just thought I would mention that because I get so upset at how so many men are quickly accusing women of being jezebels.
While I am quite aware that it is happening through women as well I have encountered jezebel in both men and women throughout my life. Many years ago it was a jezebel woman who wreaked havoc in my life. Then years later male preachers who really topped what the lady ever did.
Since it is a man’s world where men control everything including most of the churches then when men begin to gang up on a woman with lies and they get all the women to join their parade against one woman, AND worse yet they get celebrities to join their parade then the one woman is really alone. And that is where I have been for years is alone because that is just what jezebel did to alienate me.
my dad is 69 hes not even a preacher but has his own wrecker bussiness ,and wow this sounds like him ,he doesnt go around quoting sctpture but he makes mose everything about him and wil punish me and others if he cant get his way ,it was contant badgering tio get his egio needs met wow i suffered so much from him and i even called him 4 months ago he said to never call him again and he doesnt want anything to do with me ,and my kids are out of state im divorced 4 years ago ,and my dad or any of my family wont even come and see my 2 kids ,its a strong spirit of his control wow and hes so full of pride and anger too ,and i been wrking on anger as well from childhood too ,im in my 40s ,but my sister and mom seem to do that too .
and i have had this from others at other places a spirit of attack or punishment ,they tried to treat me bad or convince to me something but it was in there benefit too ,like i coukldnt get good news ,but i think i have done this too others too thinking i was having the control,or taking charge over there not wanting me to do my wrk for themm but them trying to convince me .so we need to have a balance on it .
I’m not sure what to do but I’m thinking of leaving this church because there is a Jezebel spirit in charge. The pastor is 78 yrs old and his son soon to be pastor is being manipulated by his brother a worship minister. The worship minister and his wife run the show.
dear george
I think you are answering your own question. It is sad when a pastor of advanced years and experience allows a jezebel spirit into his church. He should put God first, not family interests.
Follow your own wisdom that god has given you. It may be that God wants you to have “quiet time” with him, and not be a part of this church. Or, it may be that he wants you to stay to combat this. You may not make a change, but you may just be there to expose the sin, and then leave.
So think about it. if you stay for a while to expose it, do not expect any appreciation. they will probably attack you. but it may be for the benefit of those who are still there, who are deceived and bound.
What do you do when the leader of the home church is your mother and the rest of the followers are your siblings and their spouses. No outsiders at all ..they all left. She ran them off saying they were rebellious. . I left too a couple yrs ago.. but I have lost my whole family to the spirit of Jezebel .. I am engaged to a man that saw my past and my family sick behavior and loved me through it all but I wonder if he also has this spirit. . My mom never liked him bc he is a ” heathen ” he doesnt want to submit to her teachings and control. Therefore he has schizophrenia.. bc all schizophrenic s are unable to submit to any authority. She thinks I am one too.. I asked the family for forgivness for my wrongs in the past and they act like pharesees .. their words dont match their actions. They treat me like a leper.. no one has a normal relationship with me because of my mothers poison.. I am the only child who questioned her “prophecies” and live away from her control. . But she still manages to make me so miserable.. withholding affection or communication from me through my siblings or herself. I am so broken. I dont want to have this spirit. I feel like is an infectious disease spreading. 😦
kathy
put all that behind you. start over with your husband.
reject all their curses and pray for blessings from god
Jesus is the source of your salvation, not your mother or the others.
His opinion counts more than anyone’s.
find new friends and fellow christians, and let God handle the angry religious mob back at your mom’s so called church.
by the grace of God you are not like them….be thankful….
Thank you Mariane .. blessings 🙂
Kathy,
I can relate a little. I believe that my mother’s sister had a jezebel spirit but mom and I never realized it until the end of her life. Mom’s sister turned her family and my cousins against me and my mother. They all claim to be Christian but they are hung up with the Baptist church and believe their way is the only way. They have not spoken to us in many, many years. Mom’s sister past away never speaking to mom. This is how they choose to be. We tried and tried to be a family and they do not want anything to do with us ….just like you said, they treat us like “lepers.”
The Bible says that in the end times these things shall happen- families turning against each other. It is so difficult to live with. I have prayed and prayed and cried and cried for healing to no avail. Ever since I was a little girl I wanted a husband, lots of children and a big family. Now I am at the end of my life and the story is so bad that if I wrote it all in a book it would probably make someone commit suicide. I not only have never been married, but men abhor me and have all treated me very poorly and now there is not only no possibility of marrying or having children but I have no family at all. Just me and my mother and we both are barely hanging on to life.
I understand almost nothing anymore, except to say that my nightmare life has led me to the truth – the knowledge and alertness to get out of the churches because most of them are counterfeits.
We who are shunned and alienated from our families are truly blessed. It is mighty difficult to live like that everyday but when the trumpet calls and Jesus takes us out of here then we will have no more memory of all these people who have hurt and harmed us. I pray everyday for the Lord to come and deliver me from this world. These last days are not a time for having fun. It is a time to get down to business and tell people about Jesus and the message of the CROSS. The time for people to get their life right with God is real, real short now.
Hi Kathy, read Psalm 54 about the Lord being your husband.
Even to married women, the Lord MUST come first, even
before her earthly husband. This life is but a breath. If you
know Jesus as your Lord and Savior then you are more
fortunate than those that are married and not saved. God
bless you and your mom. You are a true warrior that has
stood for God through the best and the worst of times. You
will have a great reward!!
MY HUSBAND CLAIMS TO BE A PASTOR, HE LIED TO ME ABOUT HIS CHARACTER, HE MADE HIMSELF LOOK COMPLETELY WHOLE, WE GOT MARRIED TOO SOON, I BELIEVED EVERYTHING HE TOLD ME. I LEFT MY JOB, DIDN’T GET TO GET MY PH.D. IN MINISTRY TO LEAVE AND DO MINISTRY WITH HIM. WE DO MINISTRY TOGETHER AND THEN HE GETS ATTACKED AND CRASHES,I THEN FIND OUT HE HAS SIGN OF BIPOLAR AND IT LOOKS LIKE HE GOES IN AND OUT OF SCHIZOPHRENIA, AFTER READING YOUR COLUMN IT LOOKS LIKE HE HAS THE JEZEBEL AND AHAB SPIRIT, HE IS A MESS, HE HASN’T BEEN ABLE TO GET IT TOGETHER IN 59 YEARS THESE SPIRITS HAVE HIM GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES, HE IS A JECKLE AND HIDE, HE IS NOT MOTIVATED TO BE THE PROVIDER, HE FINDS WIMPY EASY JOBS, I AM MORE EDUCATED THEN HIM AND HE EXPECTS ME TO BRING HOME THE BACON BUT I REFUSE, I AM TAKING CARE OF MY PARENTS WHO ARE SICK AND BRINGING HOME MONEY SO I WANT HIM TO TAKE CHARGE WE HAVE BEEN MARRIED ALMOST 8 YEARS AND HE DRAINS ME. HE MANIPULATES ME AT TIMES BEFORE WE GO AND PREACH SO I GET UPSET AND CAN’T FOCUS AND THEN SOMETIMES WE MINISTER GREAT TOGETHER. HE REFUSES TO BELIEVE HE NEEDS DELIVERANCE AND MEDICATION TO STABILIZE HIS MIND. HE SAYS HE LOVES ME BUT HE DOESN’T KNOW WHY HE CAN’T FEEL. HE WANTS TO DO THE LORDS WORK SOMETIMES HE IS INTO THE BIBLE ALOT AND OTHER TIMES NOT, HE HAS THE GIFT OF A PSALMIST AND FLOWS IN PROPHECY. I SEE A RELIGIOUS SPIRIT IN HIM WE ARE NEWLY MARRIED ALMOST 8 YEARS AND I AM USE TO MOVING IN THE SUPERNATURAL WITH GIFTS OF HEALING. HE ALSO HAS THE HEALING. SINCE I HAVE BEEN WITH HIM THE HEAVENLY REALM THAT I USE TO FEEL FROM THE LORD HAS DISSAPATED, I AM SO DRAINED FROM HIM, THIS IS MY 2ND MARRIAGE BUT I DO BELIEVE I HAVE TO FIGHT THESE SPIRITS THAT PROPHECTICALLY THE LORD TOLD ME HE WILL GET DELIVERED THROUGH MY PRAYERS. I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT TO SAY OR DO TO HELP HIM. DEEP DOWN HE IS A GOOD PERSON, HE GETS ABUSIVE TO ME ALOT, IT IS LIKE SOMEONE TAKES HIM OVER, A CHEMICAL IMBALANCE. I DON’T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO THE CHURCH THINKS I HAVE THE ISSUES – HE LIES TO THEM AND THEY BELIEVE HIM INSTEAD OF ME. I HAVE ALOT OF THINGS UNDER BOTH OF OUR NAMES ASSETS, I DON’T WANT TO LEAVE HIM I WOULD HAVE NO WHERE TO GO AND I DON’T THINK GOD WANTS DIVORCE.
ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
dear Fran
I would try to find someway of getting him to a doctor for a “regular” check up. Meet with the doctor ahead of time and tell him your concerns. Maybe the doctor can get him on the right meds.
also, find someone to agree with you in prayer about his healing and deliverance.
Most of the time it takes a traumatic situation to make the person face himself and realize “all is lost.” This is the opportunity to go in and tell him what he has and to repent, and seek help.
one extreme action to take, if you are able, is to have the police come get him as a danger to himself, and others, being bipolar. They would take him to a mental health inpatient unit where he would be put on medication. and treated before releasing him.
If your own church won’t help you, that tells you a lot. Go to a different one. You are not obligated to waste your precious time in the wrong place.
see this also:
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?s=jezebel+ahab
orange links are introductory, white links are full pages
Was seeking answers when coming across this website and noticed that you speak the TRUTH which is what I NEED.
The other day my younger brother was giving me a guilt trip because I don’t treat him the way I treat my sister. I’m closer to my sister. I don’t feel close to my brother. He’s needy and sucks the life out of me. I wasn’t a fool to what he was doing. My mother responded saying to me ” why don’t you minister to him” i replied saying ” i am by ignoring his manipulation” i know that I don’t have to have a relationship with someone to minister to them. Yet my brother and MANY people push themselves on me and it makes me feel like I can’t breathe. I know they don’t want to be ministered to they just want a relationship.
I desperatly want to do Gods will and need guidance. I’ve been in so many dysfunctional relationships attempting to “help” people and was myself in bondage. I’ve been.teaching myself boundaries after being controled by my ex spirtual mother for six years and in the process found out that my own mother controled me and many others. I know that we minister to people by how we live are lives. And i looked up the word minister and it means to help…. Sooo do i only help those that i feel led to help? Anytime i don’t want to be around someone because i get a bad feeling. Someones telling me to be friends with them or to minister to them. I don’t want to be friends with them. And how would.i minister to these people?
Fran; What you are describing is NOT a Jezebel, or any kind of religious spirit. They are mental illnesses. There may, or may not be a spiritual origin, but your case sounds more like plain old textbook mental illnesses of Bi- polar disorder, and schizophrenia. I agree with Marianne’s advice for you to get him to a regular doctor, or specialist. If he refuses, and if he presents a danger to anyone, including himself, (but only if there is a real or perceived danger) you can have him committed. The refusal to work, and marital abuse are not traits of Jezebel, or Ahab in themselves. It may be best to find a different church if they are not helping you. However, if you are claiming that only he has all the issues and that you have none at all, then your church may be at least partly correct. I see, in your letter everything directed at changing him, (which is impossible for you or anyone else to do) Only he can change himself, and unless he is willing, not even God will intervene because of the free will factor.
That said, now the part you will likely not want to hear. What can YOU do to change yourself to make the situation better?
It’s often been quoted that over 50% of Christian marriages end in divorce, but let’s look at it another way. 100% of all divorces began with marriage, and 99% of all divorcées will will blame the failure entirely on the other partner, taking no responsibility themselves. This isn’t how God works. He is a very personal God, and He always deals with the individual about the individual. Not about another person. When we get to the gates of heaven, and God asks us for our account, there is gonna be a lot of folks who are going to say, “But Lord, my husband this”, or “my wife that.” To which our sovereign and just God will reply, “Right now I am not dealing with your spouse, I’m dealing with you.” Now what will you say if that happens to you? I don’t want to blindly imply that you are the one with all the issues, but I know that everyone in any marriage has issues, and anyone saying otherwise is from Egypt because they are living in de Nile.
What are your specific issues? and what can you do about all this?
If you do switch to a different church as Marianne advised, and find they have come to the same conclusion, then it will behoove you to seek out some spiritual counseling for yourself, and keep your husband out of it until you got yourself in a better position. I apologize if all this hard for you to take, but I have nothing to gain or lose here, and I’m just speaking the truth in love.
Byron
Modern Cult of Boss Paul the Pharisee
Paul (the self-appointed “Apostle”) is a textbook example of “The Jezebel Pastor” that many modern “pastors” today choose to copy, rather than try to imitate Jesus.
This is especially clear in Paul’s abusive letters to the church in Corinth, where Paul could be accurately described as the founding pastor, and really the only “pastor” who ever had any real authority in the Corinthian church, as far as we can tell based on what is in the Bible.
After being primarily responsible for founding the church, Paul abandoned the church after only a year and a half, for no obvious reason, and went traveling around again, mostly on his own. Then Paul settled in Ephesus for 2 years and 3 months, and started his own school there, hundreds of miles across the ocean from Corinth.
And yet, from his new home in Ephesus, (according to Paul’s own 2 letters to the Corinthians,) Paul himself was continuing as “the overseer” of the church in Corinth, controlling all aspects of the church life. He didn’t delegate any specific authority to anyone else. Paul was an abusive absentee pastor, exploiting and manipulating the church from a distance, even blasphemously claiming, “I became your father… Therefore I urge you to imitate me.” [1Corinthians 4:14-16]
Please scroll up to the top of this thread and read the description of “The Jezebel Pastor” in the header. It fits Paul perfectly! It’s all there.
It is not really about God… It is about him !!!! (Paul) exaggerated claims, special “anointing”, pride, overreacts, boastful, “Be like me” messages….
Friend, nobody chooses to appoint themselves to be apostles, it can only be from God n done by God. Unless they’re demonic n use it for their own misuse n to gain popularity, which it won’t last long before God exposes the lie with the truth. To be enlightened I think is right term or word.
To Matthew Perri
The apostle Paul was called by God and converted to
Christianity by the Holy Spirit, after having been a
religious zealot(having Christians killed claiming to
be doing it for God). I think you are taking things
out of context; no where in the bible does it even
insinuate that the Apostle Paul was anything but a
godly man. Yes, he said to imitate him AS HE IMITATES
CHRIST!! He wasn’t saying he himself was perfect, but
the early christians were being discipled by this man
that at one time was guilty of murdering God’s people….
he was showing them that he was following
the Lord and that he could now be trusted as a true
follower of Christ. Remember, in the beginning he had
trouble convincing them that he had truly been converted,
because they thought he might be tricking them. When someone
is truly converted they become a new person.
You can’t read a sentence from the bible and tell
what his emotions were (anger, depression,
sadness, control, etc……) unless it’s specifically pointed out
in some way. Where do you get the idea that Paul was
a controlling man with a Jezebel spirit? I think you need
to read your bible again. Paul was supernaturally
converted by God…..do you think God would allow a man
with a Jezebel spirit (or the spirit of Ahab or Baal) to
write a large portion of the New Testament. Baal and
Ahab are mentioned in the bible, but they did not write
any of the books of the bible. God used only those that
were filled with the spirit of God. You can take anything
from a book of the bible and twist it to sound like
something it’s not. Read it again and see that just
because Paul made a particular statement does not
mean that he was doing it with a spirit of control.
When the bible mentions Elijahs response to Jezebels
threat it specifically says Elijah became so depressed
he went into the wilderness. If Paul had a domineering
or controlling spirit the bible could have said so.
Just because someone is a strong leader does not make
them a Jezebel. Remember, a man might tend to be more like
Ahab than Jezebel. Ahab was a wimp. Paul was simply
a strong leader which doesn’t automatically mean
he had a controlling spirit.
We are in a church the pastor do everything my husband is the vice chairperson and there is a church board he only works with 4 that he control they are 10 he don’t want to work with my husband we did nothing wrong everything he says is right he don’t want to be confronted I’m in ladies ministry with his wife she do the same to me how to pray pls
berenice
If they are acting like that….controlling you and everything…..and everyone…then leave….this is not a good place to be.
they are not serving god, they are serving lucifer.
Hi is that a jezebel spirit I really feel we must go but my husband feel he has too finish his term our term is due 2015 the pastor took all the young people out of the worship team and put his family there my husband confronted him and he said he’s the set man God called him everything must go through him he’s only in ministry for 1year now thank you Marianne
you need to choose between god and this demonic pastor.
forget the term, and put God first.
by 2015, this world will be in collapse, and “holy” people controlling churches will be in death camps.
I’m not sure what is going on in the church I attend, however, here are some of the details of the present situation. I need answers: This is a “full gospel” congregation. We started out with a pastor and his wife as leaders of the congregation. A few years ago, the pastor was promoted to position os “Bishop” and his wife was given the position of “pastor”. He (Bishop) has little authority that I can see in the affairs of the church at this point; everything is filtered through the pastor now. Finances are also handele by the pastor. The Spirit of the Lord gave me a real “burden” for this ministry some time ago, at which time, I did not really understand why, however, these concerns were brought up again to me within the past few months. I’ve began praying about them and the Lord has been instruction me re. spiritual authourity in the Kingdom. I was recently given the opportunity to speak as one of the church’s retreats. I spoke what I know that Holy Spirit gave me to say, which was basically reasons why the church was not progressing spiritually as the Lord would have it, ie. lack of revelation, rebellion, idolatry, lack of personal relationships with God, etc. After that retreat, I was almost ignored / rejected, not treated as well as before this occassion and at a few of the services following this time, there were comments made over the pulput, that sounded like comments spoken to “correct” some of the things I had spoken during my speaking at the retreat. Feelings of intimidation and discouragement came over me, however, I was able to recognize this (reminded of Elijah’s incident with Jezebel). Now I am resisting these feelings, standing firmly on the word of God, that “greater is He that is within me, than He that is in the world”, I do NOT have the spirit of fear, but of POWER and of LOVE and of a SOUND MIND”. I will not run from this. I want to help this part of the body of Christ, however. Should I just continue to pray until God gives me HIS wisdom in how to handle this situation? I have not mentioned ANY part of this to ANYONE, because I understand God’s authority and I refuse to “touch HIS deligated authority / His anointed.
dear ann
your church is out of order. Irregardless of whether the husband is called pastor or bishop, he is the one appointed to lead this church, not his wife.
the wife is not qualified. you do not get “promoted” or “given a position” to pastor.
you have to be called by God to be a pastor. Man does not make that decision , God does.
apparently the wife resents you making remarks about her doctrines or ways of doing things, and is giving out hints at the pulpit. it seems that if you are a financial contributor to the church, she wants to correct you, but not lose your donations….looking at motivation as to why she is not more aggressive with you…and why she is being so subtle.
the husband abandoning his duties to lead the church is causing this…..he is an ahab and does not care about responsibility….he is lazy and getting paid for doing nothing.
as long as he is like that, your church will remain out of order…and I would not expect anything you say or do to change them…..jezebels do not repent most of the time 99%……
you can pray against the spirits of jezebel and ahab but it does not mean you have to stay there to do it…they will not want or appreciate your prayers.
and as far as this “touch not my anointed” business….if you look up the original reference, you will find it refers to the chosen people of God…..NOT just the leaders…….
everyone who has christ in them is anointed for a purpose…people who exalt themselves as god’s anointed and expect special favors are frauds….this in the bible was called the doctrine of the nicolaitans…and jesus hated them….mentioned in rev 2
http://www.lightsource.com/ministry/refuel-with-rick/articles/who-were-the-nicolaitans-and-what-was-their-doctrine-and-deeds–14510.html
no one in the body of christ is more anointed than anyone else….no matter how many titles they have or how much they get paid or how successful they are, or how much everyone else adores them, etc
right now the husband and wife are “touching God’s anointed” by putting others beneath them, and demeaning your contribution to the retreat….this critical approach is just a method of control…..
control is witchcraft.
consider leaving this place and going elsewhere or just stay home….if you are close to some other members, you can explain why you are leaving and keep their friendship.
I am attaching some prayers against witchcraft along with some prayers for strength. I pray you seek god’s guidance in this before acting. but at least your eyes are open now.
print out the prayers and say them each day. I will be in agreement with you.
Finances should NEVER be handled by the pastor or his wife. Someone else, not related, should be handling the church monies. That is something of very big importance and, in my opinion, a sure sign of a cult when the “family” is controlling the churches monies.
My grandfather was a preacher. He and grandma NEVER handled the money. There was always someone else doing that.
Wow. Sounds like our old pastor. We are no longer at that church for this very reason. He has control of the whole church and false accusations were told about us and it was never checked out to be true. My husband was the youth minister and I pray that spiritual blindness will be removed from the members eyes.
dear susan
I am glad to hear that you left. the congregation is a group of adults for the most part, and it is responsible for what it believes….and chooses to believe….
and God will judge the entire church for its actions not just the pastor…..true believers do not belong in toxic environments.
praying for them will bring a blessing to you
Marianne, this is not intended to be addressed only to you as I have seen this done over and over again but until now I have not
said anything about it. Therefore, although I am commenting
to you does not mean I am picking on you….seeing your
comment just stirred something in me that I can no longer
overlook. Several times in the last few months I have noticed
people spelling GOD with no capitization on the letter G.
Please don’t discount what I am about to say. This is not a petty
thing. Think about it. Although you seem to address everyone
with small letters (…dear susan) in many letters of comments
people will capitalize the first letter of everyone BUT God.
Whether we capitalize everyone elses first letter or not, to
minimilize the name of God, or Jesus, is to me a lack of respect.
Don’t write this off as being legalistic or small minded. When
mentioning the name of our Saviour, Jesus Christ or our
Father God Almighty, His name should be capitilized without
exception. Even if we don’t think its important., how can we even
think of minimilizing the precious name of GOD. People in the old
testament would throw away their writing utensil after writing His
name once, so they could write it a second time with a new pen.
And we, of the New Testament, won’t even take the time to give
Him the honor due to Him, even in writing. He is the name above
every other name, so even if we have no problem with spelling
john, susan, peter, fran, whatever ,this way, we should have a
problem with spelling God with a small G. It’s a matter of
respect, nothing more, nothing less.
lin
I replaced the g with a G.
I get about 50-100 emails a day, and I have to type quickly….
there is no disrespect intended
if you notice, I also do not capitalize any other person’s name either..
this is because it is quicker to type this way.
I will consider what you say and try to make an effort when mentioning God..to make sure it is capitalized
Thank you so much for the information. I’m so scared now that I read this but it’s an answer from God to me.Im attending a Ministry which is led by someone who has all the character traits you mentioned
There’s always a problem in the Ministry and he doesn’t bother solving it as long as people are bringing money..People are advice to come to church everyday of the weak and what I’ve realized now, married women will attend with their husbands for few weeks and the husbands will stop coming to church
He’s got a very cruel spirit of anger that he can slap anybody in the church.Recently he said no member will ever be rich and be above him.When people don’t give in the church he doesn’t bother asking them why, he’ll accuse them as the enemies of the ministry who are jealous of him, they don’t want him to prosper.
Our ministry is full of poor people that r suppose to be helped by church.I suggested an outreach offering and people are responding very well.Instead of him to use the outreach money for the benefit of the poor,the treasurer who Is a very close lady friend of his collects the money and the church Is never given a report.
I started cooking group with two of my friends. We used our own money to cook for the whole church every Sunday and in three months tine, he stopped us and said his church is not a charity organization.
Anything that helps other people to him is a taboo but when the money is given to him It’s ok.My two friends left the ministry few months ago and I’m still there
wisdom
oh dear God, you don’t have a pastor, you have a devil
his church is not a charity??????
it sounds like you need to shoot him or fire him.
do not stay there….get away from this monster, and take all your friends with you
do not give any more money to this thief, and report him if you can to authorities for fraud.
I have had the displeasure of encountering such a person. He has prophetic gift, preaches stupendously, but has the character of a serpent. Full of lies, deciept…simple put full of the devil. In his mind he is holy and thinks he’s a man of God. In reality he is a warlock. dishonest,tricky,pretends to love God, while consistently playing mind games and manipulating those that are innocent and or weak. Completely unrepentant, prayer for Gods intervention is our means of bringing about Gods intervention. If God can heal him it will be an outright miracle.
dear Gods mercy
I hope you are staying far away from this wolf. He sounds like bad news for everyone, including himself. may God keep you safe.
Sounds like you are describing the jezebel preachers who kicked me to the curb, only their ‘prophetic gifts’ were not from the Lord. They were from the devil.
Exactly!!!
I visited your site today because I wanted to know when it is time to leave the church where I worship. I have approached my pastor to find out what I have done to her to cause her to treat me so poorly and each time we have a conversation in private to discuss and find out what I have done to cause her to mock me in service and say all manner of evil things against me publically, she says that there is nothing between us, that I am just thinking these things and I need deliverance. Recently in a women’s service, she and I prayed together and we embraced each other and I cried like a baby because I believed God had mended the separation and she whispered in my ears in the most loving sounding words, “It’s alright now baby.” The next day in Sunday Service she stated to the congregation that she witnessed a miracle, that God had done a wonderful thing with me and we all rejoiced. Two days later, she said publically that I was possessed with a demon and that she wanted nothing to do with me. This thing hurt me to the core. When I spoke with her on the telephone, again she said nothing was wrong between us. Yesterday in service, while preaching again, each time she talked about evil spirits, she looks directly at me. When we were in afternoon service at a visiting church, we were told to go around and greet everyone–when I went to hug her, she turned around and went the other way. She is now also accusing me of trying to break up her relationship with our organizational Bishop. I do not know where this is coming from–but I do know that she and our Bishop have met and discussed reasons for promoting me in the ministry. When she told me of his desires, she also stated that she was not promoting me that he was. During a general service, I was called up to be consecrated as a minister. During our next regular service at our home church with just our members, she said she did not do it, that God did not do it, that the bishop did it and this is why she did not lay hands on me in consecration. She said this in front of the entire congregation when we were back home in service. She says to me in front of the congregation that she does not care what the bishop says, that she is my pastor and if she says I am not qualified then I must sit and do nothing until she says I can. Now she is threatening me with excommunication.
She preaches that she has the power to bind us and to release us and that God will respect what she says because she is pastor. She also preaches that we must come through her to get to God saying this is the purpose that God has pastors here and if we do not obey her then God will not hear our prayers. I do respect my pastor, as I have known her some 40+ years and have made, what I think, the mistake of confiding in her because on any occasion–in a public setting–she throws the things that I have confided in her with back up in my face. I do not want to leave this church, this is the only church I have ever been a member of, but now things seem to be quite disconcerting, so much that I am now having nightmares about being here. I feel like I have no one else to go to without causing a ruckus in the church. I await your comments.
elaine
your pastor is a witch. never mind the years, the power, the associations, the garb, the positions, what she says.
she is a witch and you need to get away from her.
she does not control your destiny, Jesus does.
jesus hears your prayers, in spite of her.
you can work for the Lord, WITHOUT her.
you do not need her, in fact, she is holding you back.
she is abusing you. and she knows it.
she thinks she is the power in heaven and earth because her daddy is satan, who thinks the same thing.
no true christian would publicly humiliate another believer.
she is using control and shame and threats on you.
you are being baited too. you do not need a public ceremony to be declared a minister of the Lord, that is a farce. they are appealing to your need for acceptance. you were given the mission of spreading the gospel 2000 years ago by jesus himself……stop depending on man’s opinion
this church is a circus act.
excommunication???? when does she have the right before god?
that is god’s decision whether you belong to him or not, not hers.
her god is power, and recognition, not Jesus.
she is a disgrace, and a witch in pastor’s clothing. a false teacher and leader.
she is a curse to you.
that is not what God intends for you
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the bishop may have a clue, since he approves of you.
but the whole church is a sham, and God will destroy it, and everyone in it.
be free, get out of this church from hell.
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first, get out of the church
you do not owe this pastor from hell any loyalty
give yourself time out from ANY church.
spend time alone with god, read the bible for yourself, pray, listen to worship
let God speak to your heart
then go look for a small humble church
or just stay separate and unto the Lord.
the Lord is coming soon, and you do not want to be found among the tares.
Thank you Marianne for your response and I am inclined to believe you. With regard to your statement of “no true christian would publicly humiliate another believer” we are always told that “open rebuke” is what God ordains. Could you elaborate on this idea.
elaine
open rebuke is an extreme measure when other methods fail.
first we are told to go to the person in secret, with witnesses, and discuss the fault of the other person. the witnesses back up the truth of what you say, and your sincerity.
we may try that several times.
this is done with proof of certain behaviors, events, words said. it is not because one has a negative attitude toward the other person or one has imaginations about the person
this is also done with a loving manner, and we encourage the person to repent.
then, if that does not work, we (with our witnesses present) openly rebuke them for their fault, and the fact that they have not repented yet in front of the congregation.
the purpose here is to get them to repent, and be part of the congregation again, and to help them spiritually. it is NOT meant to attack them, or humiliate them.
at this point, one mentions that it was first discussed in private, but there were no results. and it grieves one to bring it before the congregation, but this must happen, for the sake of peace in the church.
the rebuke is done with dignity and conveying dignity to the rebuked person, so they feel comfortable enough to respond, admit, and apologize
now….
if the charges are imaginary to begin with, as your pastor treated you, then you say so, and deny the charges….
if the charges are true, if you intend to rebuke her for the way she treated you, then you follow proper procedure, and if that does not work, then you and your witnesses leave….but at this point the church will know why you left, and this will help cancel the pastor’s gossip about you…..you do not come down to her level of behavior to rebuke her.
Elaine, I agree with what Marianne said concerning
public rebuke. It is one thing to have to do it in the case
of repeated warnings to a member of the church. If proper
procedure has been given to the matter, and the pastor
has met privately with the person, and when necessary
brought along other witnesses, and yet the person refuses
to admit guilt or change, then and only then would public
rebuke be appropriate. But to publicly rebuke someone
who you “think” is doing something wrong, possibly based
on someone else’s gossip or slander, without even
confronting the person one on one to find out the truth,
is not biblical and can cause more harm than good. To
say someones name in a sermon in a derogatory way
in order to bring shame to them and humiliate them is not
close to biblical rebuke. The devil is the accuser of the
brethren. I say this woman leader feels very threatened
by your presense there. I don’t think she’ll ever “allow”
you to do what you feel God called you to do. You said
you tried to iron it out with her and she tried to convince
you that “all was well” when actually it wasn’t. The same
thing happened to me in a meeting with someone in leadership
from my church. He also said “we’re okay and all is well” and
then promptly said something again two weeks later
in a sermon making it clear he was talking about me.
In the two private meetings we had he never had the courage
to speak up and tell me why he was coming so hard against
me….it was only in public that he had the “courage” to do so,
even though the things he said were untrue and unfounded.
Yes, I’ve left that church.
Marianne, you just heard a case from one person and started judging her pastor. What a rebel you are. What an ungodly unbeliever you are. Your step is unbiblical and you usurp God’s role as if you know all things and all people and pass judgement on pastors. Do you have fear of God? If yes, you will have fear of condemning his servants. You are surely being troubled by Jezebel spirit. You smell of bitterness and hatred for men of God. Better let your past go. Learn to forgive who hurt you in the past. That you met a bad person before does not give you right to condemn all men of God as bad. That you open a website to do just that show how hurt and embittered you are. You need to seek help very fast.
Marianne, I totally agree with your comments to Elaine. Some of those things done to Elaine were done also to me in devil churches.
After doing some research on the internet about spiritual abuse I recognize so much in Elaine’s story that falls under spiritual abuse, and I totally believe that it is “witches” sent by Satan into the Christian churches for the very reason of creating chaos, division, and discord. Demon spirits speak to these witches to let them know who the genuine Christians are and then they play mind games with that person and do whatever is necessary to run them out of the church. The witches can get people into the occult and away from the Lord quicker and easier if they can get rid of the true Christians who would otherwise expose them.
Good article, thank you! I have a friend who is really into the “prosperity gospel.” He keeps trying to get me to watch certain tv programs and go to his church. I have told him several times that I’m not interested, I tried to tell him that it’s new age thinking, you know, all that name it and claim it business. Whatever happened to humbly asking God for something and praying for His will. Thanks again for the article.
hi scarlett
thank you for your comment. I agree and so does God.
if you notice at the top of the website page, it says:
Where the Word of God is free!
Notice I do not have a Donation Button either.
Jesus died a bloody painful death, and I am not about to make money off his suffering.
we need more humility in the church and less of an entitlement mentality among those who claim to minister.
It has nothing to do with been into anything my friend. This person is trying to save your life, this person that keeps inviting you to the new age church, as you say. Is trying to help you, so that when you die n leave earth. You don’t leave earth without Jesus. That’s a true friend, friend.
Your concept is distorted by saying what you say about God. If you truly stopped and think about it, you’re actually saying you’ve heard it all n you know it all. Christianity is not a religion, Christianity is a relationship with the almighty God, Himsef. It’s sad n funny at the same time. God is infinite, no end to Him!! We can’t figure out things here on earth for ourselves or by ourselves. There’s much more to Jesus dying at the Cross that you don’t even know. We’re still scratching the surface. Their’s much, much more to Jesus dying on the Cross that we don’t know about. Just know that if you reject Jesus, God will reject you. There will be a time when you’re going to bow to that name, Jesus, wherever you might be at the time. I guarantee you, you will. Why I know? I used to be like you, knowing all n knowing everything lol. Until Jesus came in my life. There’s not enough room to tell you about the story of my life when Jesus walked in. Jesus is real, very, very REAL! I love Him. I know what He has done in my life n how I’ve walked out without even smelling like smoke lol. Just don’t leave earth without a reserve seat n a plane ticket n Jesus. You’ll be glad that you did.
I wish that I had been smart enough to realize that before I got suckered into the prosperity gospel churches. So much heartache could have been spared.
The truth about all that word of faith garbage is out now and people have an opportunity to seek the truth if they really want it, but most people do not want the truth. They live by the flesh and not by God.
Need a healing and prays done on my hand after having carpal tunnel surgery and also left index finger hurts thank you and have a bless day.
My name is janice and i Need a healing and prays done on my hand after having carpal tunnel surgery and also left index finger hurts thank you and have a bless day.
hello yes my name is dean need prayer im divorced 7 years ago my ex wife im in okla my 2 kids are in florida the ex wife her name is lisha but shes jezebel i think wants to see me suffer continually ,and shes greedy just wants taken care odf at anyones expense can i get prayer as she wants me down any which way ,i already had this growing up from my mother the jezebel spirit of them suppresing me and they wont support me nothing its all about them ,its pretty evil can i get prayer on this
I answered you on the jezebel page
Its my left hand I had the carpal tunnel surgery done and also my left index finger hurts don’t know what that is maybe tendonitis or trigger finger my doctor sending me to a specialist.
Janice, you’re already are healed. Take a scripture in healing n stand on it, no matter what it looks like. Faith like a muster seed, trust God with all of your heart n lean not to doctors n your understanding, (Proverbs 3:5). My prayer is that you’re already healed. So be healed. Cast down imaginations that exalts it self against the knowledge of God, and bring them into captivity into the knowledge of God. Align yourself to the Word of God. You’re going to be alright. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
Jesus, is the great Phyician, by His strips you are healed, Isaiah 53. And Psalm 103.
God, is so good. I’ve seen n have heard this spirit of jezbel in a person. Everything that I’ve read in your article described this person to a T. It was amazing to me, I felt like you knew this person personally n you were describing him to me, as if you knew him, personally. You just lack to mention his name. You’re right, they can be hurtful, vicious, hurtful n malice in their on way of thinking and not bet an eye nor have any kind of remorse for saying or doing it. They believe that God justifies their own doing n God is saying I approve of you my son. He actually believes that. He actually believes God is on his side for hurting people with his vicious deeds and hurting words.
gloria
It is true…I have met this type of person, so they are easy to describe.
they are very narcissistic, and think god blesses every evil act they do.
I am glad to hear you are awake and aware.
Thank you Marianne, I was just amazed at how I was reading the article n baam. It was like I had a ringside seat n was looking at this person on video. Like he was writing n acting out his own story n I was reading it n seeing it before my very own eyes.
Absolutely all true! I know the person too.
Your comment just made me think about a scene from an end times film where during the tribulation period family members will turn other family members over to the authorities for becoming Christians, and these family members will with all their heart believe they are doing the right thing – the will of their ‘god.’ All the while they serve Satan because they have the meaning of love and hate, good and evil all backwards. People today are turning these definitions around.
This author is Jezebel incarnated. You are Church destroyer and God will destroy you. Everything you wrote has nothing-not one thing- to praise a pastor (mostly people who commit life to God’s service” I see that you are proud and suffer from spirit of insubmission. I am sure you do not attend any Church either and you hate church like Devil that you serve. Since you have make judging sevants of God your business, you will surely be judged by God. You and the week people you are gathering around you. Shame on you for using your blog to attch to you people- rather than use it to glorify God and build HIS Church. Shame on you.
james
this post describes a particular type of pastor, who is sinful, and works against god.
it does not generalize to every pastor on earth.
if this stuck a note with you, then maybe you should look inside at your own self.
Happens every time. Those who scream “DON’T JUDGE” judge wrongfully. Gee, no wonder all the church people run like rats into a dark corner. They are speechless against the KING JAMES BIBLE. They approve of murder against anyone who exposes truth.
“And the cry is ‘don’t judge’…we’ve got a lot of people so confused about this. Yes, the Bible says ‘don’t judge’ but then it goes on to quickly explain ‘don’t judge after the flesh’ (John 8:15, 26) ….judging after the flesh is vindictive. It comes from a mean spirit. It comes from arrogance. It comes from some doctrinal issue that somebody is trying to uphold. It doesn’t come from a broken heart. To judge after the spirit the Bible calls it ‘JUDGING RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT’ is to judge redemptively. This comes from a broken heart… I have to preach like this because I see danger ahead. I love you too much. I care about you …I’m not judging you according to the flesh. I am judging you redemptively hoping that you’ll see the error of your ways and be saved and be healed and I can hug you and I’ll know there is something of God’s character in you…it comes from having a zeal for God’s Word…have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove them.” -David Wilkerson, Counterfeit Christianity-
James, are you a pastor? I don’t know you so I certainly
will not try to judge your heart in any way. However,
why does this make you so angry? You said Marianne
is angry and embittered yet you seem so much angrier
than she does. Many have been hurt in churches and
sometimes the ones that truly love God are the ones that
are being asked to leave or at least coerced to go. You don’t
even acknowledge that there are abusive pastors, as if
every single pastor or church leader was sent by God. Don’t
you know the bible says there will be MANY wolves in sheep’s
clothing. Of course we know there are solid, healthy churches
with wonderful pastors and leaders who truly love God and
each other. This site is for those that have been wounded deeply
by those that claim to love God but show by their actions they
do not. Many have been pushed out of God-appointed
positions so the pastor can put his family member in. Some
have been pushed aside while the pastor focuses on catering
to the whims and wishes of the biggest monetary givers.
Are you blind to that? If so, then there are probably many
in your church that are hurting or have left and yet you think
pastors can do no wrong? I will presume that you are a wonderful
godly man who will at least listen to the complaints of the people
who say they have been abused spiritually, verbally, physically,
or sexually by someone in leadership in the church. But only
you and God knows if you are like that or not, or if it’s your
first inclination to tell the wounded that they are embittered
or just angry when in fact they may be struggling to get back
on their feet spiritually. The bible says to “do unto others as
we would have them do unto you”. Would you want people
to treat you or your loved ones the same way you treat others?
If the answer is an HONEST “yes!!” then God bless you and
continue on. If not, then maybe it’s you who needs to change.
Just a thought!!!
So you are NEW AGE religion. Now I understand you. I supposed to have guessed with everything black and dark out. May Lord Jesus Christ have mercy upon your life and open eyes and mind of people seeking godly counsel from this ungodly site. People go back to your church where you can talk with real people who honestly believe in God, not this SHAM.
i replied under your first comment
It amazing how this sprites victim of money people including me
God bless you
Marianne,
Is there a reason that you have the font size on the “Comment” sections of your pages so small? The type is very difficult for me to read. I really have to strain my eyes to see and I am wondering if there is some reason that maybe I am the only one who sees such tiny print or is everyone else seeing the same small print?
Also, you mention above about getting “counseling” after having endured these wretched jezebels. Has anyone ever found good counselors anywhere? In all these years I never have. I even tried joining forums for spiritual abuse thinking it would be nice to meet other people who have been through spiritual abuse but they were all disappointments too. People talk to each other and ignore me like a leper as everyone in the church does. I sort of feel like I am living in a glass house where everyone can see me and I hear them but no one hears me.
devotional
I read all your 9 comments, by the way. I agree.
a good counselor will not be someone who charges money.
they will be a true believer with a pure heart, with some experience under their belt
the only way to find them is to get involved with good activities, outside the church, and meet them.
these are doers of the word.
you could find people online but I would study them first, for a long time, before trusting them.
you can tell by their fruit
the church is mystery babylon, or at least part of it, and leaving the church now is wise…those who remain will be killed by government… there is a remnant within the church, however, that is faithful….if you can find them.
and you are NOT a leper, even if people treat you that way… so keep your head up
I am one state over from you, so I am a bit far to help, at least in person.
as for the comment section, that is pre-set by wordpress….
but
you can hit control (ctrl) + on your keyboard, and it will enlarge the page…each time you d this, the print gets larger….to make it smaller hit ctrl – on your keyboard.
A preacher was telling me about revival they were having, I said thts great, he said its all about money right, I say that about most churches, but how did he know that, very strange, also he has actual elf ears, any suggestions as to who he is or what?
no clue who he is
Elf may befitting him. There are wolves in sheep’s clothing.
“with fairies, elves eventually developed a reputation for pranks and mischief, and strange daily occurrences were often attributed to them. For example, when the hair on a person or horse became tangled and knotted, such “elf locks” were blamed on elves, and a baby born with a birthmark or deformity was called “elf marked.”
Indeed, our forefathers trifled with elves at their peril. According to folklorist Carol Rose in her encyclopedia “Spirits, Fairies, Leprechauns, and Goblins,” though elves were sometimes friendly toward humans, they were also known to take “terrible revenge on any human who offends them. They may steal babies, cattle, milk, and bread or enchant and hold young men in their spell for years at a time. An example of this is the well-known story of Rip Van Winkle.”
http://www.livescience.com/39689-history-of-elves.html
Blessings
Psalm 64
I would go to my Pastor for counseling sessions then I found out he was telling the congregation my personal business and people would be mean and judge mental. I left the congregation to say the least, even though I felt I was led there by the Lord. Is this an example of the Jezebel spirit?
gina
he may not be a jezebel spirit . he is more of an idiot who cannot keep his mouth shut about confidential matters.
if the lord led you there, then it was to show you how bad off the church is, and all the fools and sinners in it.
My Mum is Born Again Christian, i have recently found God myself. I have had experiencies from God before through prayer. Receently i had an expierience that brought me closer to God, It was amazing. I asked God if anything was holding me back or posessing me and he said Jezebel. I don’t have much knowlage of The Bible so im confused. My Mum is old and forgetting thing’s now. I need help and guidence please. My E-Mail is chrispotter@hotmail.co.uk I’m very worried about this and i am seeking help. God Bless.
chris
Do you mean god said you were the jezebel, or there was one bothering you?
we can talk offline
Hi i would like to thank you first for finding the time to reply. No i have been praying a lot recently and Jesus let me know he was real. I have never found a love like this before, he flooded me with a love i didn’t know existed. I had a huge smile on my face and i asked him if anything was inside me that shouldn’t be because i dabbled with Ouija boards when i was a teen, and the answer i got was Jezebel, i’m confused as i didn’t know who Jezebel is so i googled it and found out more but it doesn’t answer my question. Why is Jezebel holding me back? Thank you again. I tried to contact you personally but couldn’t Chris.
chris
when you get an email from the website, you are getting me. all you have to do is hit the reply button and write back
again, I have to ask:
Do you mean god said you were the jezebel, or there was one bothering you?
a Jezebel is a spirit of control, among many other things
do you control other people, or do they control you?
Im not good at all with computers so i don’t understand how to contact you any other way. I can’t see the reply button but what i mean is Jesus said to me Jezebel is inside me. What does this mean?
chris
here is a series I wrote on jezebel. go to the WHITE links, not the oranges ones
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/?s=jezebel
Hi! So when or how do you call a Pastor out for operating in this spirit? If you don’t confront it, it will continue right? If I just leave the church, what about the other members who do not have a clue what is gong on?
lady s
just leave the church, and tell the pastor why and everyone else….nothing to lose, you are leaving anyhow, and you do not need their approval….do what is right.
provide some definite reasons, with factual behaviors and events…tell friends first, then pastor, but do it quickly…do not drag it out
but expect pastor to falsely accuse you to cover up
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this has helped me very very much. I just left a church 6 months In. The prophetess began telling the members that I was her BFF. She said that God told her to make me her BFF. I begin to question things that I saw in the ministry. but when I questioned the shortness of her dress and how the worship leaders dress became short as well she lit into me. Falsely accusing me of lying when I told her about a conversation I overheard and for 20 or more minutes while I was hysterically crying she kept telling me demeaning things about myself her own son in the background overheard her choosing me and tried to tell her that she was being very hard that didn’t stop her she told him to shut up and kept on going only as I Look To Heaven while holding the phone in my hand trembling I called on the name of Jesus that’s the only scripture reference I could come up with and I kept saying the name Jesus I said help me Lord get me off of this conversation I am merely got chest pains and when I’m crying I said chest pains and I need to get off the phone she hollered out oh my and I hung up after that I received numerous messages regarding scriptures talking about when you are offended graveyard sites about make sure you’re ready to go home things about dying threats that I should shut my mouth and never tell anybody about the conversation that she threatened my family the car accident that my husband was in that same day she attributed that to my putting my mouth on her and said that I should be lucky that that’s all that happened to him was an accident and that he walked away. I could go on and on of the nasty things that she said but when I got off the phone God was able to minister to me I had to go make myself a cup of chamomile tea to come down he told me to lay in my bed and pray in the spirit when I finished coming down Revelation poured into mom things that I saw and questioned or didn’t understand anything happening in the church services all of a sudden became clear I will rating a jezebel spirit she had isolated me from my best girlfriend and that’s where the BFF Cayman because she saw on my Facebook page we claim to be BFF falsely accusing me of lying when I told her about a conversation I overheard and forth 20 or more minutes while I was hysterical a crying she kept telling me the meaning things about myself her own son in the background overheard her accusing me and tried to tell her that she was being very hard that didn’t stop her she told him the shut up and kept on going finally as I look to heaven while holding the phone and my hand trembling I called on the name of Jesus that’s the only scripture reference I could come up with and I kept saying that name Jesus I said help me Lord get me off of this conversation I am Italy got chest pains and when in crying I said I have chest pains and I need to get off the phone she Hall it out all my and I hung up after that I received numerous messages regarding scriptures talking about when you are offended graveyard sites about makes sure you’re ready to go home things about dying threads that I should shut my mouth and never tell anybody about the conversation that she threatened my family car accident that my husband was in that same day she attributed that to my putting my mouth on her and said that I should be lucky that that’s all that happened to him was an accident and that he walked away. I could go on and on of the nasty things that she said but when I got off the phone died was able to minister to me I had to go make myself a cup of camomile tea to come down he
Hi, please help me to understandthis situation. My sister has ministry in thechurch together with the youth. They made food to sell to gather fund for youth camp. My sister instructed them how to make this certain food. And then the taste of the food wasnt good, not just the taste but the content wasnt cooked. So she ordered it not to sell bcoz it might cause sickness and the church will be compromised. And then, after that day she received call from the pastor. The pastor is woman, she was so angry, she told my sister she got the nerve to tell youth nasty words, our family went somewhere just to borrow money, and we are all boastful. She told us what the pastor told her. I got so angry and my first move was to release my emotions in social media. She went to our house the following day, she requested us to meet her in church but my sister didnt want to come bcoz of the words she heard. The pastor didnt allowed that, she went to our house, scream and told my sister she is just like judas. And my sister got angry so she answered her not a nice way. The pastor slapped her face twice and hold her collar. We are so shocked. And then after that she wants to sue us bcoz we posted comments in social media… She even told me i am the jezebel in our family bcz i am the one controlling them. In he first place thats not supposed to happen if she was ableo asked my sister first of what was trully happened instead of yelling at her in the phone not gving her a chance to speak up. She even told me if i want her to tell people of my past. That i was immoral person, and my weakness would be the same thing sex. That im not yet healed by the Lord. This comment, i hope this will not reached her because she got lots of connections. I just want to understand things. I dnt want to put our church in bad conditions aince i believe that the church is body of Christ. I dont want to rebel. I just felt i need some advice.. Pls im so afraid.and i just want to clarify, are pastors have the rights to slap people freely? Thank you.
cj
take out legal papers for assault by the pastor.
report her to the police
she is a witch out of control, and needs to be held accountable for her actions.
do not put up with this wild woman
find another church, or stay home where it is safe, and praise god there and study bible.
you do not need this kind of garbage.
But she said she will sue us because of the comment we post in soial media… And also she said her copastors want my sister to be sent in jail where they can freely slap my sister’s face.. We respect her even my parents even when she slapped my sister in front of my mother, my mother didnt do anything she infact asked my sister o apologize. Ans shes asking me why im doing this, depending my sister. I told her no im not, i just want to point out to her why she had to tell my sister abt us borrowing money to people. And that we are arrogant. For that simple matter between young people she was able to treat us like that. She said she just protecting the youth, but in my side, my mother doesnt have part in any of those why she had to tell my sister about those kind of things. U know, i am so afraid bcoz she will conduct investigations abt our family, and will use it against us… She has lots of connections she keep on bragging to us. And she will send open letter if we forced her. Or if we dont humble our selves before her.
We are not rebel, we dont have anything, we are not rich people, we just dont understand her actions. The words delivered. She talked to us with her one leader in the church, she denied that she said those things to my sister but why my sister would lie to us? She didnt let my sister attend last sunday service. When she talked to us with her leader since shes denying the words she said i told her to let my sister prove whos telling the truth. Then, i cried because she told me if i want her to tell people abt my past. I cried and apologize to her. And told her im not prideful, i dnt have anything to boast. When i apologized, she let us go.
And according to her, if we are going to take legal actions, they can easily pay the damage.. I cant believe she was able to say that if she respect my mother. And she also said she can get more money from us if they will file case against us because of lashing of words. Lashing words? But she was the one came here to our house screaming telling my sister shes like judas. My sister didnt say anything. Shes provoking my sister to fight back. She said shes just waiting my sister to hit her so that she can send my sister into jail.Im so afraid of her actions. What is open letter to churches? She said once we provoke her, she will release letter to churches so that no church will accept us.
forget her and anyone who listens to her
get away from her and her church, it is a church of satan
she threatens you because god is not with her, and she does not want to go to jail.
delete your posts about her.
if you have witnesses that she hit your sister file a police report
delete what you said in social media, then she has no case against you
she is a witch….do not humble yourselves before satan
Thank you. I deleted my account. Actually, i didnt mention any names i dont know why they reacted. My sister also posted message in her account because she was hurt but we never mentioned any name. My sister posted that they treated us like criminals, in small things they can destroy peoples lives. And our eldest posted comment, he said,” the yoke of the Lord is easy, church yoke is heavy. And many pastors was able to read that. Thats why she was angry. But we deleted everything not to be safe but to stop her anger. Thank you so much for your message. Im so relieve. I thought i cannot post questions to this kind of acct. Iam so afraid.thank you for your help.
if you did not mention any names in your posts, then she cannot do anything to you
she cannot prove anything.
report her to police for assault and get a restraining order for her not to come near you again
Thank you so much.. We dont know what would be her next step. She doesnt want anyone to questioned her. We are just thankful that she’s quiet now and not doing anything. Because if she does, we are ready to prove ourselves. Even if she screenshot those posts, we didnt mentioned anything. So we dont know how she can file a case against us by those posts. Well, she said everyone in the community knows our family.. She usually gets information from them to frighten us. She always use our past life, that we confessed to her, for us to remain silent and just follow whats shes saying. But u know, i am.not afraid anymore, if i sinned against the Lord, i will go personally to jail. Because she always say that to us. Dont force her because shes able to send us to jail. Because of our past wrongdoings. But i dont live in my past anymore. When she counsels me, she always brought up the sins ive done in the past. I will watch her moves. I will not let her control us again. Shes over. Thank you so much you allowed me to post here about our situation.
cj
she is full of hot air.
she cannot prove anything, even what you told her in confidence. there are NO witnesses to what you told her anyhow. no one was there when you talked to her!!!!!!
she is in panic mode, because she knows she is wrong, and trying to cover up and scare you
file a restraining order and say she has made verbal threats against you and your family, and assaulted one member. have at least one witness.
U know marianne we are deceived. We thought pastor have the right to hit anyone freely if we have done wrong. Thats what she told us. And also, i didnt know that pastor can tell people about personal things i told her.. That she can use that against us. It makes me think not to trust pastors. But i know this is isolated case.
she is not a pastor of god….she is a wild woman out of control….she is a bully
she is a liar…and a blabber mouth
get rid of her….
the police will not respect her
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I am subscribed to this blog.. U know marianne, she said she have connections in police, she knows our councils. She said she has the power not to let my sister graduate to college. She has the power to remove as from our work. She will just talk to people shes connected to.but we are not criminals. We just reacted to what shes saying. What shes doing is like this, she will talk to us with one of her leader and she yell at us and brought up previous things and connect it to the issues. she will deny that she said bad words. She was able to informed the congregation of what happened, shes not sorry that she slapped my sister, never give chance to my sister. She was able to make people convinced that what she did was right. And we are the vilain. I told her i reacted bco she shouldnt say badwords about my mother since shes not included on youth activities,what she said was, “i didnt say that, and if i did whats is it to you? Why did u post in social media and not directed me to talk to me?” Shes the kind of person not accepting explanations because if she is, she will not tell my sister unnecessary words. Shes always like that. Are we not eligible to post our emotions to social media? uknow marianne, if ure just near here, i can let u face her bcoz i know what was happened, but she will deny everyhing and will make u believe she did the right thing bcoz we disrespect her.
stop associating with her
I know him.
ROD PARSLEY
you are so wrong with this Jezebel is a woman!! First thing!! stop making up things and go and study the word of God. You are leading people astray. the Spirit of Jezebel is the Spirit that seeks to over trow men and kill the Prophets. So what you are doing is helping to destroy Men of GOD. STOP IT!!!!!!!!
good reading and description
Ex-congregants reveal years of ungodly abuse
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article134790299.html
Do u know how to prevent oneself from getting drained from a Jezebel spirit
Also how to defeat n destroy this spirit
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francesca
read above post
and this one
also, I am sending you prayers against witchcraft and curses and for protection
and for protection
say daily
I will agree with you in prayer
I had an unhealthy soultie with my old pastor. He says he is god. I noticed that I connected to my old pastor during worship instead of Jesus Christ. My old pastor brainwashed me to call him Daddy Jesus. I no longer go to his church
berkies
It is good you got away from him. he sounds like he is crazy
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Wow. Most pastors who aren’t Jezebels (they are just prideful and stiff-necked) fit many of these traits; but many pastors are also Jezebels.
Marianne, I’ve become aware that God hates ministers who abuse the sheep. Jezebel, Cain, and Balaam ministers (basically all the same) rank high on the list. I believe that God will be sending people and prophets to confront many of these ministers. Reading this I can clearly feel it “in my bones”, because God has often shown me His grief regarding rebellious and disobedient ministers (since at least 2003). What do you think about these people being confronted, exposed, judged?
arendale
you would need to prove it first
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So, Kenneth Copeland?
Not every pastor or minister who is self-absorbed is a Jezebel, however, the Jezebel spirit works hand-in-glove with many other spirits of lesser authority to Jezebel such as divination, witchcraft, pride, and rebellion– so a self-absorbed minister will probably at least have a Jezebel spirit nearby in one form or another. We aren’t specifically told this in the Bible– in cases like that of King Saul of Israel– but wherever there is rebellion or/and idolatry, Jezebel is not far away.
You also have bondage-broker and other high-level spirits that work alongside and above Jezebel who are of equal or/and greater authority to Jezebel such as Apollyon, Abortion, Occultism, Balaam, and Absalom. Copeland has severe issues and appears to have both classes of Jezebel-connected spirits.
Peter and Jude both talked about a class of ministers in which I believe that Copeland falls (unless he repents). Both epistle-writers unapologetically paint a picture of these abominable ministers over whom a perpetual sentence of condemnation hangs. Here is Peter’s version:
“There will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping…
“The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on angels… These people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight.
“They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness… These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity” (2Peter 2).
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