The Number 666 according to Muslims
According to the Bible, 666 is an evil number, and represents the beast, or the anti-Christ. But to Muslims, this is a holy number.Which interpretation do you choose?
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Rev 13:18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.
The beast and the fierce ruler:
I have seen people get excited over this, and do numerology studies on the Bible and every public personality, trying to determine who the beast is.Daniel made it clear that the beast was actually a kingdom, headed by a fierce ruler:
Dan 7:23Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
***note: some people think this is the USA, but the USA is not “devouring the entire earth.”Look at what group is spreading around the world, causing destruction in every country, and it will not be the USA.The USA is a democracy, not a kingdom. Daniel and Revelation make it clear that is of ancient Grecian origin (Daniel 7, Rev 13).
Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance , and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart , and by peace shall destroy many:
Notice that the ruler claims to be a man of peace, but his peace is destructive.
So, the number of the beast (antichrist kingdom) is the number of a man (666), also called the little horn:
Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land(Israel).
The number 666 in the Bible
Recall that the New Testament is written in Greek, so when we examine the number 666, we cannot use Hebrew, or English alphabets and numbers.We have to look at the Greek.
What does the Greek look like?This is 666 in Greek:
I do not see this very clearly, but apparently if one looks atχξςwhich is Greek for 666, and turns it sideways, one sees what is translated as “Bismillah,” or “in the name of Allah.”Look below at the script in gold, not the round object.Focus on the UUU part.Muslims will recognize this right away, because it is also Arabic.
Additionally, crossed swords ( X ) are a symbol for Islam. So in 666 we may find both “Islam” and “in the name of Allah”.
Islam and the number 666
It is interesting to know that many Muslims believe the number “666” to be a holy number. They also believe that the number 19 is holy as well. In knowing this I am not surprised that the number of terrorist that destroyed the World Trade Center was 19. They are called by many in Islam “the magnificent 19”. The number “666” is believed to represent the Quran and the Prophet Mohammed.
The number “666” could very easily be identified by our Lord as the number of a man, since it is a man made doctrine and a man made book, referring to its author Mohammed. Those in Islam that believe in the number “666” and its purity believe that Satan used Christians to pervert the Bible.
They believe that the book of Revelation was inspired by Satan and that he used the number “666” as a bad number in order to prevent Christian people from accepting the Quran and the teachings of Mohammed because of fear.
From the Bible view, it is easy to see the Muslims wearing this number between their eyes, on their foreheads to proclaim their faith in Allah. The mark could also be symbolic, instead of literal, to represent the mind of Islam.
So, “666” is here.
If 666 is a physical mark, to be worn on the believer in Islam, then anyone who refuses to take the number (accept Islam) will be considered not to be a true believer in Allah and Mohamed. As they conquer other people they will enforce this mark to guarantee support from those that they allow to live.
From their own websites
Accordingto 1st Muslim website:
http://www.66619.org/666.htm quoted on this Christian website
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/islam_koran_666.htm
“The number 666 is highly publicized all over the world and it is associated with evil and danger.
However, it is not what it seems. It was a Satanic trick.The trick was to prevent the people approaching the 666.
Satan knew that the 666 is the book of GOD and the people should be kept away from it.According to his plan, he placed a bad image to the number 666.Indeed, it is a glorious Quran, in a preserved master tablet.”
“It is the intent of this newsletter, God willing, to present the readers with easily verifiable and yet utterly irrefutable physical evidences that the Quran, the Final Testament, is indeed the highly publicized “666” that the corrupted Pauline church is afraid of. Satan’s scheme reflected in his book of “The Revelation,” placed in the Bible, to give “the number” a bad connotation shall backfire.
The 19-based mathematical miracle of the Quran shall prove to the whole world that the book, “666,” is without a doubt “a revelation from the Lord of the universe.”
The authorized translation of the Quran shall find its place in every household.
The sincere souls shall receive the message; they shall embrace God’s religion, “Submission,” in throngs.
The corrupted religionists shall be deprived of their illicit earnings. When money, “their god,” is taken away from these human devils, they perish.
The Quran, “666,” was sent down through Prophet Muhammad (G.V. 92) and its mathematical miracle was revealed through Rashad Khalifa (G.V. 505,725).
From a 2nd muslim website… http://www.66619.org/thequran.htm
The Message of GOD, The Book of GOD, The Quran, 666 and its Proof, 19.
The letter w is in Arabic Vav and its Gv is 6. Therefore, www becomes 666.
www , World Wide Web is a gift from GOD to humanity that they can talk, watch, read, share, listen anything.
666 , The Quran is a gift from GOD to humanity that it guides to the right path which leads to Heaven.
The proofs shall be the evidences that this Quran is the 666 that Satan, his religions, his temples especially the Church are afraid of.
The Quran is the 666 and GOD preserves the 666 with the number 19.
6 is the first perfect number in mathematics. It is the only number that the sum of its factors andalso the product of its factors equal to the number itself.
1 + 2 + 3 = 6
1 x 2 x 3 = 6
We read in the Quran that GOD created the Heavens and the Earth and all in between in 6 days.
Sura 111 has 100 letters and the Gv of letter Qaf is 100.
Sura 111 has 6 verses ; 111 x 6 = 666 , The Quran
Sura 6 verse 111 is 666 th verse in the Qaf table.
The number 666 is written mathematically as : 6 x 100 , 6 x 10 , 6 x 1
Adding the factors gives the result of the number 111 (100+10+1).
We say “ALLAHUAKBAR” 111 times in daily contact prayers.
Adding all the factors gives the result of 18 (6+6+6) and 111 (100+10+1).
Sura 18 has 111 verses and 18 x 111 = 1998 (666×3)..The Year that The Message “This Quran” delivered.
The creation of biological life on this earth is based on Carbon. Carbon has 6 electrons.
Carbon is the 6th element in the Periodic table.
Additional note from an Islamiat student I talked to:
There are 666 verses, or ayats, in the Quran.
What do you think?
Either the number 666 is the number of the beast [evil], as the Bible describes,
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it is the holy number of the Quran.
You cannot believe the 666 is both good and evil.You have to make a choice as to what you believe.
Is the Bible correct, or is the Quran correct, on this? Your eternal destiny depends on the choice you make.
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*** Some muslims have disputed this 666 as belonging to Islam, while others admit it. So consider this a theory, not an established fact.
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nice insight
i would want to ask if you know the diffrence between “the God” and “God”
what you have for us in the translation of 666 into greek is llah meaning God but muslims worship Allah meaning “the God” so we ask which people worship god and which worship the god?
dear FG
Whether it is “god” or “the god” is less relevant than who is this god one worships.
There is evidence that the god of the bible is different than the god of the quran. The personality is different. The words give different messages.
while both mention punishment for sin, the god of the bible repeatedly tells the sinner that he loves them, and the god of the quran rarely says this.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/love.html
So, if there is one god, then he should be consistent in what he says. If there is inconsistency, then they are different gods.
Marianne you are a liar. This Bible says if you sin I will punish you seven times (very loving). The quran tells us if you sin you punishment will equate your sin if you do good I will multiply your reward 10 times. Even if you sin against God, in the quran Allah say (after your sin and if you are genuine) turn to me in repentance and I will forgive you. People don’t listen to liars or people who listen to other liars and pass that of as truth. Muslims read one book wanna know what’s in it simple read it!
Read the bible.
Love one another.
Beheading people is not ” love one another”
Jesus hurt no one.
Read YouTube about the difference between Jesus and Muhammad.
Peace and love to you.
Thats why the word sword is used 100 times in the bible
Muslims cannot discern between a spiritual sword and a physical sword. God is spirit. God is life. God needs to be in us to give us life. They that don’t have God in them will want to give death taking pleasure in it. Muslims rejoice in death. God takes no pleasure in the death of those that rejoice in death giving. Muslims like to have a sword in their sinful blood filled hand giving death. That is Satan the death angel in Muslims giving death taking pleasure in it. The words of that death angel are in the Quran.
Jesus is no god
Allah Ta ala is god.
Jesus in only a prophet sent by allah
Why dont you want to accept the fact.
Truth is bitter. Maybe thats why
If Jesus was a prophet sent by Allah, why didn’t Allah send a prophet who would teach the same thing he does?
Why would a god take pleasure in destroying it’s creation? THE God, doesn’t want to see ANYONE perish. Neither does He need to send out sword wielding psychopaths to punish those who won’t worship Him. If you have to be scared into submission, that’s not worship.
Over 123 000 prophets came by the command of Allah Taala to convey his message.
Jesus was a prophet who message was not too much understood by the people of that time.
However after the comin of muhammad everything fell into place and a better group of people followed.
Satan is known as the red serpent. Look at the serpentine letters in Arabic. The egotistical Satan wanted letters to represent who Satan is. Satan brought blood. That is why they call him the red serpent. There was no blood hence no blood clots before sin. Allah lies saying we were made from a blood clot.
You are not clever enough to derive conclusion properly so better shut the f*** up. Illiterate swine
Yeah Muhammad is the best
Who doesnot know that?
Youre so naive my friend
Better go and make research on yourself whether the one you think of to be your biological mother is real or not!!
Allah is only arabic for the word god uno. So really its like diablo means devil in spanish. Are the spanyards talking about a different devil from english? No i think not. Its all one religion uno. The true christian book is the gospel not the bible.the bible is fabricated it is a joke really. The gospel is the true christians book. Its a kind of 3 part story. Not everything is going to be the same in each section but there will be references to the other sections so u know its all the same thing. Really people cant see it but its right there in your face. The gospel truth. In middle east all religions which speak the same language will say allah for the god. Its arabic language. Ilah means god allah means the god. No god but the god. La ilah il allah. Shaytarn, satan, lucifer,the devil, diablo .he is not a god or a angel. He is a jinn. Unseen being who sees us from where we cannot see him. Angels are also unseen n they also see us from where we cannot see them, GOD is also unseen and sees us from where we cannot see him. Shaytaarn is a jinn. God is pure n smart. He knows what he is doing and done. All 3 religions will have access to heaven the quran says. Mainly muslims then christians and few jews. So whats your problem really??. The god and god are the same thing. Dog and tge dog r the same thing too. I want fish and i want the fish mean u want seafood innit. Ok thanks
allah means god, but it is also the NAME of the god.
the god of the bible is yahweh, and allah is not yahweh
so islam has allah for god, and the jews and christiains have Yahweh
it is not the same.
allah says to kill the infidels, christians and jews,
yahweh says to save the christians and jews, and love the enemy
muslims do not go to heaven…..where yahweh lives
muslims reject yahweh and have allah
heaven belongs to yahweh, not allah
not one time in quran does it say god is yahweh, so allah is a different god
that is why you think bible is stupid, and your god is better.
but you cannot get into heaven if only yahweh there
Allah never says in the Quran to kill the infedels, christians and jews
haziq
that is a lie.
Quran
Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, “fitna”, can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned “until religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).
Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.
Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).
Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah” Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”
Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”
Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”
Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.” Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “healing” the hearts of Muslims.
Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”. The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam “superior over all religions.” This chapter was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).
Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.
Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”
Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” How does the Quran define a true believer?
Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.” (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).]
Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”
Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” “Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.
Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations.
Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”
Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’ Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..
Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause” Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “rows” or “battle array,” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the “cause”: “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.
Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of’Adn- Eternity [‘Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.
Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such. Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
Sahih Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
Sahih Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause. Muhammad’s words are the basis for offensive Jihad – spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today. (See also Sahih Bukhari 3:125)
Sahih Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’
Abu Dawud (14:2526) – The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
Abu Dawud (14:2527) – The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious
Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”
Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”
Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”
Muslim (1:149) – “Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause…”
Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”
Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'”
Muslim (19:4321-4323) – Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: “They are of them (meaning the enemy).”
Muslim (19:4294) – “When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him… He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war… When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”
Muslim (31:5917) – “Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: ‘Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?’ Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ‘Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger’.” The pretext for attacking the peaceful farming community of Khaibar was not obvious to the Muslims. Muhammad’s son-in-law Ali asked the prophet of Islam to clarify the reason for their mission to kill, loot and enslave. Muhammad’s reply was straightforward. The people should be fought because they are not Muslim.
Muslim (31:5918) – “I will fight them until they are like us.” Ali’s reply to Muhammad, after receiving clarification that the pretext for attack Khaibar was to convert the people (see above verse).
Bukhari 1:35 “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).”
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Tabari 17:187 “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.” The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: Cutting off someone’s head while shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ is an Islamic tradition that began with Muhammad. In this passage, a companion of Muhammad recounts an episode in which he staged a surprise ambush on a settlement: I leapt upon him and cut off his head and ran in the direction of the camp shouting ‘Allah akbar’ and my two companions did likewise.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” Muhammad’s instructions to his men prior to a military raid.
Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 – “Embrace Islam… If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” One of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad’s armies was justified merely on the basis of their unbelief.
Very explanatory..
To the point…I believe God is the creator of the heaven and the earth..
I also belive in the father the son and the holy spirit..there is only one God..
Thank you and may the blessing of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon you..
Marianne youre talking as if you know everything
For your kind information, bible is a modified book.
Dont read it. Instead perform ghusl, then wudhoo and read the quraan. You will find peace mayb😎😎😎
titeuf
I do not agree with you about the bible being modified. But I know your heart is in the right place. I wish you peace as well.
But yours not in the right place
Bible is the new testament not the old one meaning that its modified
And its never written in quraan to hate the non muslims
The only devil which exists is the anti christ as mentionned in the bible and its arabic name is the dajjal
The Bible contains the words of Jesus begging to end. Blind people will not see them though they think they see. They that obey them will find life. Jesus in them is who keeps them. The hater of all that is has his words in the Quran. That being does his best to hide that fact. I would not say that had Jesus be heard when the words of the Quran are spoken by a human. The voice of Jesus who sounds like many waters will not be heard.
titeuf
amazing music for the soul
Now what are you trying to say by sending me this video
Dont you know that media is always misleading.
I dont know why but i would like to argue with you over this matter.
Send me a reply fast and tell me a time when youll be free so that i can defeat you in this argument.
It’ll be regrettable for you. And yes dont forget, im a lawyer by profession. Rest assured. Youll be defeated.
titeuf
it is just music I thought was nice. many times people find common ground with music
you will not defeat me. you are not in a court of law in your country. you are on my website. and the judge is Yahweh God, not a man.
truth is supreme. and I know the truth and the proofs
by the way, the quran commands to either convert nonmuslims, or kill them
Why dont you agree?
The truth is always bitter thats why.
Youre sure that i cant defeat you
Do you know to whom youre addressing and what proofs are you talking about my dear.
no i think you are just wrong. you do not know the truth. I do not care who you are. God is greater than you are
No man you are wrong there’s been changings in the Bible and I m serious about it whether u believe it or not. There were about 4 holy books Tourait , Zaboor , Injeel (Bible) and Quran. Bible came before Quran upon Hazrat Isa (A S) ( Jesus) who is a messenger of Allah, and then came Quran upon Hazrat Mohammad (Peace be upon him) Who is the last messenger of Allah. I don’t believe this article. Quran is a complete guide for the Muslims or human beings.
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I respect that you have a choice what to believe, but I say your religion is not correct.
the “changes in the bible” is muslim propaganda. Jesus was not a messenger of allah because he was not invented yet. Jesus was the son of Yahweh and the messenger of Yahweh.
Quran has many mistakes in it and contradicts the bible. God does not make mistakes, so the quran was written by men.
azathoth means god, but it is also the NAME of the god.
the god of the bible is yahweh, and azathoth is not yahweh
so islam has azathoth for god, and the jews and christians have Yahweh
it is not the same.
azathoth says to kill the infidels, christians and jews,
yahweh says to save the christians and jews, and love the enemy
muslims do not go to heaven…..where yahweh lives
muslims reject yahweh and have azathoth
heaven belongs to yahweh, not azathoth
not one time in azif does it say god is yahweh, so azathoth is a different god
that is why you think bible is supposedly stupid, and your god is better.
but you cannot get into heaven if only yahweh there
Good answer
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I will make it brief. To KNOW the meaning of the #666 in Revelation 13:18 READ the TRANSLATION. Greek is the only language we have to do this
The Greek Diaglott is FREE on The Web. The #666 is BOTH a number and a name. It translate to Christos Zeus (Zeus the Savior) with a CROSS, X as in Xmas! This has become known as the name “Jesus Christ” the pagan name of the image (idol) of the beast (The Vatican).
CHRISTIANITY IS PAGAN AND ALWAYS WAS!
“Come out of HER My people!” Yahshua the Messiah in Revelation 18:4
ETERNAL SURVIVAL BLESSINGS FOR YAHWEH’S SAINTS!
james had the same problem today/yesterday
Someone besides Yahweh is watching over US! Let us TELLTHE TRUTH while we CAN!
Marianne, just to let you know. There are several videos on You Tube (some from vets) stating that there are U.S. Troops being called up here in the U.S. for DOMESTIC deployment. Also, munitions stockpiles are being brought back into the U.S. Some believe Martial Law may be imminent. With the words Martial Law I automatically think of “The Mark of the Beast”. which as you know I believe is the marks of Christianity. The Stock Market was down over 300 today. The S & P (500 companies) more than 40. Maybe they are going to collapse the economy which is on life support.
We are ALL so busy! Many with the pagan holiday Thanksgiving. Others with just plain work. Me? I am having to have major tree trimming done which is always a REAL JOB. WE ALL SHOULD BE PREPARED TO ENDURE THESE TERRIBLE EVENTS and not be caught off guard. Hundreds (maybe thousands)! have died in the CA wild (?) fires. All of us here are breathing Devil Dust (ashes). I read that that destroyed town Paradise sits on a mountain of gold. Also paths of the fire relate to plans for that super train that they want here. It really seems like time for Yahshua to return to destroy those who are killing us and the earth!
ETERNAL SURVIVAL BLESSINGS FOR YAHWEH’S SAINTS!
Listen you sadistic nut…. Nowhere is it written in the Qur’an that 666 is the number of God…. Even the use of 786 is prohibited in Islam…. You believe in Christ, muslims believe in Christ as well… It is not even clear that whether the number of the beast is 666 or 616 ’cause the Greek manuscript found was not even clear…. Get a life man and apply your superb mathematics to your ass…. May God bless you and your mind….
hi Sanjeev
This information was obtained from Muslim websites, so your issue is with them, not me.
I gave the references.
From what an ex-muslim tells, it means bismallah in arabic.
The information you used is from websites?
How about asking proper muslims, instead of going through an unfathomable amount of crap on the internet 🙂
Secondly, for muslims you cannot condense god, of the prophets name into numerical form. It’s not bloody numerology, its a religion for heavens sake.
The amount of misinformation on this website is preposterous.
786 does indeed mean Bismillah, to SOME people. Just as you may have radicals in any religion, you have shit stirrers, and radicals in islam too who distort the real image.
Lastly, you seem like an incurable islamophobe.
Peace.
So, if folks do not like the religion/political system of death, they are islamophobic? Follow Muhammad, or get a new religion!
What did Muhammad do? He made my god of the kaabba the only god to worship at the Kaabba, he raided caravans, lied, raped, and murdered.
1st off, Muhammad raided caravans cuz the quraish were selling the belongings of his companions so they had a right of taking what was stolen from them. if u closely study Muhammads life u will find that his enemies also said that he is not a lier. another thing is, he never raped. yes he had many wives but he did not rape women. he murdered people who were in war to protect islam. lets take a very important example. the battle of badr. if Muhammad lost the war and didnt kill the quraish in that war, the quraish would have killed him and would have moved o to madinah and would have wiped islam off the planet
this proves that u have been given some wrong information and ur bad at analysisand it is better not to speak of things u have little knowledge of as the proverb is empty vessels make most noise
You should have a closer look at the latest discoveries of historic science. Scientists found out, that the quran has originally been a book, Christians from Syria used in the 5th century and it was first written in their language, not Arabic! Muhammad, which means “the one you should praise”, was a title given to Christ by the oriental Christians of the old times. Through many errors in translations mainly into the Arabic language, Muhammad became a person for himself. There is further evidence in the fact, that the “khalifs” used Christian symbols on their coins and seals (the palm tree of Bethlehem, the lamb of god, Christ as the pantokrator etc.) and absolutely no islamic symbols. The only possible conclusion is, that the Arabs were monophysit Christians who had a problem with the emperors theologicals system of trinity. Even the Pope who declared the 1st Crusade didn’t know about a new religion in the east. He only spoke of “heretics”, and herectics are Christians with a belief that differs from the Roman Church. Look for the latest studies of Karlheinz Ohlig, Christoph Luxenberg, Muhammad Kalisch, Volker Popp and an ever increasing number of scientists who all come to the same conclusion: Muhammad never existed and is a mistaken other name for Jesus, The Christ.
jesus did not come back to earth 500 years after he left and become muhammed.
i agree about the trinity issue.
for true history, read the bible
You took me wrong. The Christ in oriental christianity was mistaken by later Arabs as their prophet Muhammad. Believing in a prophet called Muhammad is a misunderstanding of the Christian message!
You took me wrong. The Christ in oriental christianity was mistaken by later Arabs as their prophet Buphammad. Believing in a prophet called Buphammad is a misunderstanding of the Christian message!
The difference between the two books is that one is pure and holy, a divine revelation from the [G-D] One true Almighty [G-D] lets just say that for the sake of the language we happen to be using to communicate with but the the fact this matter is that we are all the people of the book wether Jews,Christians or Muslims. I would like put for the maricalaloius nature of the Holy Qur’an as a test all of our Jewish and Christian brother s a test to see which books still holds a maricale up to our modern day and I would say 100000000000%% it’s the Holyist of all books The Noble Qur’an, of course and I say that to say this that if you were to al of the books in the world and put a fire to it and try to get rid of these books from the face of the earth one thing is for sure none of those books will came back in it’s pristine form without one letter missing from it and we have to say that it would be the Noble Qur’an!!
Without a doubt, simply because we millions and millions of the followed of Islam who have mesmerized it by heart from 6 and 7 year olds to the 40 and 50 year olds, and that my listening brothers and sisters in humanity at large is the most beautiful divine revelation and a witnessing message to all of humanity at large. Because one thing is for sure that their is no other boothis world that can be memerize by heart except the Holy Qur’an.
That should teach all of which book really is The Divine Revelation from the ALMIGHTY G-DAY ALONE.
WE SHOULD ALL THANKS ASK OURSELVES WHO OUR REAL CREATOR IS?
THROUGH OUT MY STUDIES AND INTERACTIVE DIPLOMACY DIALOGUES WITH THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND THE CHRISTIAN FAITH COMMUNITY’S OUT THERE I HAVE NOT COME ACROSS ONE JEWISH RABBI OR A CHRISTIAN FAITH PRIEST WHO HAD MEMERIZED THIER HOLY BOOKS BY HEART FORGET ABOUT THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE OF THOSE BELIEVE SYSTEMS.
PLEASE IF ANY CAN FIND ME JUST ONE THANKS I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE BELIIEF IN THAT BOOK AS WELL.
THAT IS WONDERFUL MESSAGE THE G-D OF ISLAM HAS FOR ALL OF USING AND THAT WAS THE MESSAGE OUR BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMAD SACRIFICE HIS WHOLE LIFE FOR TO BRING USING THIS BEAUTIFUL MESSAGE WHICH WILL BE HERE TO STAY FOR ALL AGES AND TIME IN IT’S PUREST FORM FROM SAY ONE UNTIL THE LAST DAY OF JUDGEMENT.
AND MAY THE CREATOR OF ALL OF USING HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF USING.
MAY THE PEACE OF THE PEACE OF THE ALMIGHTY BE WITH ABRAHAM AND THE 12 TRIBES AND OFFSPRINGS AS WELL SIMCE ALL THE PROPHETS INCLUDING THE SEAL OF ALL THE PROPHETS INCLUDING OUR BELOVED PROPHET PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS ALSO A DESCENDENT OF OUR PATRIOTIC PROPHET ABRAHAM. G-DAY BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF USING AND FORGIVE OUR SINS AND G-DAY BLESS THE WORLD. PEACE TO EVERY ONE WHO MAY READ THIS MESSAGE FROM ME TO YOU ALL OUT THERE . IN CONCLUSION , (I TEST YOU TO CHECK AND RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF AS TO WHICH BOOK IS MORE MARICALEOUS)…🤔😎
he did not raped , but he committed pederasty, with a little girl of 9-10 yrs old, he also married with a jewish woman and a christian woman as well, the ones you hate by default, he also married about 10-12 times, he must be wealthy to do that, he also killed many arabs who in that time they used to believe in many gods , and when he died , they were expecting his resurrection in the 3rd day, like Jesuschrist did, and surprise… so…. that is an example of humility and holiness ¿
so , you married with your wife when she was 9-10 years old¿ or would you let your daughters with 10 years to got married with older man ¿
that is pederasty… here or in china , no question about it,…
isis, hezbolla, al-qaeda… etc.. allllll are nuts, killing people guarantee the heaven with beautiful girls there¿¿¿ jajaja… grow up…
where did you hear that? Its says in the childrens books, at the age of 25, and the wife at 40. I know this as a fact because i have the Holy Quran at home
this is a lie….EVERY ONE knows that muhammed married a 6 year old child
For a religion which abhors the eating of pork, I was wondering how ‘ham’ is inclusive in Mu..HAM..mud’s name?
On Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) time, his enimies called him Magician, Poet and more. But, they never called him as pedophile or murderer. The first 40 years of his life, Mohammed was with enemies, they called him “Trust Worthy”. This mockery of pedophilism come into existence from 21st century. Please read the American History you can find some leaders married 12 years old children. For someone wondering Ham in Mohammed, please try to educate yourself.
A few things then, if Mo was ‘perfect’ he wouldn’t have diddled a kid, even if others were diddling kids. And yes, his enemies called him ‘trust worthy’ because “Lo, Mohammed is the greatest of all deceivers”. Those same people who called him “trust worthy”, he’d later kill and enslave. SWELL GUY!
Muslims in this modern age are instructed to marry little girls and they commonly do . A number of children in Saudi Arabia , Yemen and other primitive cultures have killed their young brides as the penetration caused internal hemmorrhaging and the child bled to death . Marrying off their young daughters is common in Islamic Cultures not affected by Christian Values . I recently saw pictures of a Yemeni Muslim with his 8 year old bride in wedding pictures . With Family , eating , dancing , etc. She died a few hours later of beating and internal hemmorrhaging from forced penetration .
Muhammad raped children,his own wife was 9 fucking years old you sick fucks. False murdering ,thieving lying prophet muhammad the pedophile.
Mahomet attacked his own tribe, to subjugate them to himself. There were very few muslims, only about 100 or so followers of Mahomet, after 10 years of his supposed preaching in Mecca. Since he was driven out of Mecca, does the religion of peace advocate violence and theft from those whom had done them no harm, in order to regain what they thought they had lost. The Meccan muslims and Mahomet could not have owned much, except what his elderly wife could supply, and they must have taken most of their stuff with them to Medina, where they were embraced with open arms by his Jewish friends.
Baphomet attacked his own tribe, to subjugate them to himself. There were very few muslims, only about 100 or so followers of Baphomet, after 10 years of his supposed preaching in Mecca. Since he was driven out of Mecca, does the religion of peace advocate violence and theft from those whom had done them no harm, in order to regain what they thought they had lost. The Meccan muslims and Baphomet could not have owned much, except what his elderly wife could supply, and they must have taken most of their stuff with them to Medina, where they were embraced with open arms by his Pharisee friends.
Wow asshole
You dared to say that my prophet Muhammad (SAW)
was a rapist and a murderer
Rest assured that youll not receive an easy death
Otherwise you may go and repent for your sins
tit
read your history of muhammed. he did rape and murder
Do you know what do we say for those who insults muhammad saw.?
Ans: son or daughter of different fathers.
Meaning that his or her mom must have been a bitch.
Sorry for the harsh words
Dont be offended
Sk
there is no such thing as islamaphobia. that is a fictitious term used by muslims to indicate racism of other peoples.
but as you say islam is a religion, not a race.
there is no reason to fear islam, although people have a right to disagree with it and the behavior of islamic extremists who like causing riots, and chopping off heads.
so, disagreement does not equal fear.
on this page I was exploring the symbols used by saint john to describe the antichrist. Islam is only one possibility. people have also thought 666 or 616 represents the pope, the queen of engand and other people like hillary clinton and prince charles.
I do not get offended by other people taking offense. and I do not accept accusations that I am an islamophobe. I think that is a stupid accusation, considering the God of the universe protects me and calls me his own.
I have nothing to fear whatsoever, except what would happen if I intentionally disobeyed God himself. Man can do nothing to me. I am under the Creator’s wings, and there is a legion of angels around my house assigned to protect me.
Marrianne, This is some really interesting stuff. I am working on a book about end time prophecies and would like to use some of your material in my book and possibly on a web site I am working on, is that OK? Please respond to my e-mail address. Thank you
dear patbishop
You cannot use this for commercial purposes….
so not in the book, which I would assume you would sell copies of.
You can put it on a free website and give the reference.
patbishop100
You can apply this to your book and website with an appropriate reference.
Note:
1)The George Washington Monument is 666″ x 666″ at the base and 555 ft (6660 inches) in height.
The constructed monument to a man is in the design/form of an Egyptian pagan obelisk 555 ft in hight (6660 inches) with a base of 666″ by 666″ making the structure the largest symbol of 666 in the world.
Think about it – a monument 666″ x 666″ and 6660″ in hight erected in the middle of the National Mall of the United States. Therefore, The Beast is within the USA.
2) The structure of the Louvre Pyramid has 666 symbolic rhombi in its design (not panes of glass as is commonly and incorrectly reported).
The Beast (666) is artistically represented in a pyramid at the largest museum in the world.
3) www (Internet address) is equivalent to 666 in terms of gematria and position within the Hebrew alphabet.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waw_(letter)
4) The sum of the numbers 1 through 36 is…666, which is the highest number on a roulette wheel (36). This gives new meaning to gambling when you understand the numerology.
5) In the Donation, the Pope is referred to as VICARIVS FILII DEI meaning “substitute in the place of the son, God” [or sun-god more likely].
If you add all the roman numerals I+V+X+L+C+D except for M, (1+5+10+50+100+500) they add up to 666. If you add the M the sum is 1666, the year of the Great Fire of London.
The phrase VICARIVS FILII DEI adds up to 666 if you drop its non-numerical letters F-A-R-S-E (112+53+501= 666).
6) Here’s another spelling – FOX NEWS
F is the 6th letter of the alphabet.
O is the 15th letter; 1 + 5 = 6
X is the 24th letter; 2 + 4 = 6
By concatenation FOX = 666.
N-E-W-S is north, east, west, and south.
In a way, Fox News spreads the power of 666 to the four corners of the Earth.
7) The telephone number president Nixon called to talk to Neil Armstrong, first man to walk on the moon, during the lunar landing of Apollo 11, was 666-6666.
This number was created by NASA to connect the President of the USA, with an Egyptian obelisk outside the window of the White House, to the first man on the moon.
8) The sum of the heights of the buildings in the reconstructed World Trade Center in lower Manhattan is 6660 feet.
Source:
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/13/666/
I think 666 is ultimately about the Lucifer and his rebellion implemented by man, making 666 much larger/greater/inclusive than simply just Islam.
Blessings
Psalm 64
DJ, pls check what you say, the Louvre Pyramid has NOT rhombi or anything that adds up to 666. Your statement is urban legend
Elementary math allows for easy counting of the panes: each of the three sides of the pyramid without an entrance has 18 triangular panes and 17 rows of rhombic ones arranged in a triangle, thus giving \textstyle\frac{17\cdot(17+1)}{2}=153 rhombic panes (171 panes total). The side with the entrance, however, has 11 panes fewer (9 rhombic, 2 triangular), so the whole pyramid consists of 4\cdot153-9=603 rhombi and 4\cdot18-2=70 triangles, 673 panes total.
source wikipedia :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvre_Pyramid
thank you SkyLight33 . Liers like Dj ARE EVERY WHERE to confuse people
Didi,
Lier?
“Lier lier pants on fire.” Ouch!
Strong statement by someone posting a name “Didi” on their reply.
Why wait months after an absure, small post by Sky with the confusing, swirling artistic gravatar to attempt to label me a lier?
Sky is not correct in his reply, according to a subject expert.
“Speaking of pyramids, I analyzed the structure of the Louvre Pyramid in my Paris Part 1 video and discovered it has 666 symbolic rhombi in its design (not panes of glass as is commonly and incorrectly reported).”
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/13/666/
Paris Part 1 video:
If you have a problem with the 666 rhombi – take it up with the author of the blog and producer of the video who has a degree in architecture and significantly more credentials to make a geometrical determination of the Louvre Pyramid 666 rhombi than Sky.
Sky relies on Wikipedia.
I’m not a lier and not waiting for an apology either. God bless you.
Blessings
Psalm 27
Listen mariane
Muslims follw the old testament(real one) while christians are following the new testament(modified one).
In a plant, comes first always the leaf then comes the petals which are the modified leaves
So its the same
Muslims were the first while christians came second
Another thing:
Most christians believes in practising sins which are not considered by god as it is said that jesus had taken all the blame on himself
Do you believe this crap
One more time pls get yourself more informed before publishing things like that
Youre inviting death my dear😇😇😇😇
Titeuf
islam was created about the 6th century. so 600 years AFTER christianity
So you know that islam was created after christianity.
Why?
Because the only one god, Almighty Allah Ta ala was not satisfied by the way the people guided by jesus(Issa) even after having been taught ways of living were behaving. So He had to send Muhammad(saw) to guide mankind once again.
Issa and muhammad(saw) were both prophets sent by Allah Ta ala.
muhammed was a rapist and killer, and could not read or write…therefore he did not write the quran
titeuf
do not make death threats on this site or I will block you
Why are you afraid of a muslim?
Ive not even given anyone a death threat.
God knows how to deal with people like you
And yes if you block me, i will assume that ive won my case.
Dont be under the impression that because its your website, i cantmake it my court of law.
Yahweh is not the judge so cut the crap pls.
I am not afraid of you. you are just annoying and are wasting my time. Yahweh is not your god. he is always the judge.
Sanjeev you are a Hindu. What will you know about Islam
Miss kirti im a muslim and i know lots about your religion maybe more than what you know
i also respect every religion but i cant remain quiet after hearing bad things bout my religion
Санеэв you are a Hindu. What will you know about Great Old Ones?
no hate but gods not dead spread the word of the lord peace to the Muslim i repeat gods not dead amen
Basmallah weights 786
(NB : I usually do not agree with Ahmed Deedat on many things, but on that very simple matter there is no place for discussion as it is simple mathematics)
FG says translation of 666 into Greek means Lllah, there is absolutely no evidence of that, reference please !
There is a correspondence for most of the letters between hebrew, greek and arabic, so weather you write Allah with greek letters or arabic letters or even in hebrew you will get the very same pronunciation and weight at the end of the day.
In Islam there are no mention of 666
The misunderstanding probably comes from the fact that Allah weights 66 (alif = 1, lam-lam = 30 + 30 = 60, ha = 5)
In the whole article, the only true fact is that 6 is a perfect number.
Graphically the only evidence I can see is the similar shape of the greek dzeta letter with the double lam of Allah if rotated by 90°, lam = 30, so double lam = 60. I do not see any other connection between the greek 666 of the Bible with Islam.
Note that I would not be against the idea (according dogmatic view) of making a connection between the Bible and the Quran on that plan. But it seems your own Bible interpretation about 666 is wrong. Yes it is the number of the beast, but it is also said it is the WISDOM and intelligence TO CALCULATE it. I would rather look for wisdom and calculation then instead of Satan…
With Quran, I would first get the secret number of 666, which is 36 (6*6 : interesting, as we know Allah = 66) which is the Sura Yasin (from the letter ya = 10 and sin = 60, total = 70). The important thing to know is that Sura Yasin is reputed to be the concentration of the whole Quran itself, a kind of zip file of the Quran…
Next time, check better your sources…
Hi miss or Mme marianne
Youre hell bent on proving that heaven is not a place for muslim
And you’ve even given proof to that
Now you listen to me
If youre taking references from muslim website that doesnt mean they are absolutely right
So get yourself well and more informed before getting your fucking asshole in matters which dont concern you
If you wanna contact me, send a reply to me
I really wanna correct you
Sweet dreams bye🤠🤠🤠
WOW-you sure got testy over that. You need to show the love you talk about. Why in the world would you call someone a sadistic nut? You need to go pray and repent of your words.
What they believe of Jesus is not that he is the Christ at all. They have a completely different and quite erroneous version of Jesus that Mohammed had someone write into the Qu’ran. The person pointed out the Islamic tradition of what they believe of the number 666 not that the information was written in the Qu’ran. Geesh!!
Miss kirti im a muslim and i know lots about your religion maybe more than what you know
i also respect every religion but i cant remain quiet after hearing bad things bout my religion
Muslims recite the Quran without understanding its meaning. You’re right, it is Muslims who told us that 666 is the number which you will have to have to go to heavens, and what a hateful character is Sanjeev to call people ‘sadistic nuts’. Is that what the Quran also teach? I knew the god of the Quran never said he loves us, but I ignored the fact now that the Quran incites people to insult brothers and sisters! Cornered, hey Sanjeev!
Good job on spreading hatred, racism, and more good old american patriotism based on an “ex-muslim`s word“ and websites. I am amused at your resources and the way that this page has been put together: there is no evidence in any of your statements! My first year university english prof would shriek if she read this: you cannot claim someone is wrong by asking a question. STOP IT. STOP SPREADING HATRED TOWARDS MUSLIMS. The reason that American`s are seen as ignorant people in the global commuity is because of your education and patriotic propoganda. Let`s think for a minute, what would Jesus do? While you are telling your fellow christians that Muslims are the beast, without any scholar imput or argument for the opposing side, you are malevolently herding the christian sheep. Jesus would not spread hatred, Jesus would spread love, and your message says that Muslims follow Satan, the devil, and represent the evil of all evil. Wow I just realized something; you are evoking hatred while claiming the side of God. That is terrible, and you should be ashamed of yourselves. Go and make a muslim friend, that is what Jesus would do!
there is no hatred. this is an objective look at the 666 described in the bible.
the book of daniel and the book of revelation describes the beast, and the territories making up the beast.
modern muslim countries currently make up that territory…..
I can give you references.
Dear Joe
Jesus did not make friends with the Pharisees though. I do not believe for obvious reasons that Mohammad is as perfect as Jesus was. Jesus did not rape, was not divorced, etc…. Jesus did not encourage terrorism and kill people wherever. Islam came hundreds of years AFTER the Torah and the Bible, the Quram is a man made book, an opportunity in the days of Muhammad to solve political problems. It was a clever turn from Satan to deceive people into believing into this new doctrine.
We should not make muslims our enemies, but neither should we get too close to them. I have explained in extension the Bible to some muslims who chose the christian faith after, and that was not with hatred, but in love.
since Muslims also believe in Jesus and in the Holy book of the Bible, go and find out those words which say: “do not get yoked with unbelievers”. It is interesti I have read the Quran but did not find anything interesting. Read the Bible, not in one go, that would be robotic, but portions of chapters at the time, you will not be able to put the book down. I could not when I was an uinbeliever. Now I feel a new being, as if a burden had been lifted from my shoulders. I am free and not bonded to a vicious hatreful religion anylonger
Dear Michelle Gerson,
I sorry that you didn’t find our holy book The Quran (not the Quram ) interesting. However , i think you should be aware of the fact that the only reason why, Allah all mighty had send the Quran was because long ago people had corrupted and changed the bible (just for your information Jesus, in other words Isa was our Prophet). Also said that they, changed the words of God. Therefore, Allah all merciful decide to sent the Holy Quran with our last Prophet Muhammad, who had spread the word of Islam. Allah out of His mercy and kinds willed to preserved the Qur’an for mankind and uses normal men to spread and to preserved the Qur’an by memorizing it and teaching to others. Allah knows best.
And i just wanted to ask you a question, that aren’t you supposed to be knowing all this, as you have read the whole Quran, for God knows how many times.
i just dont understand ONE thing. Muhammad had NEVER raped a woman and u guys are sayuing that he raped women so in other words ur trying to give people wrong info and wh ichever muslim said that he raped women is a hipocrite and a lier
While reading a beautiful interesting novel, do you like someone disturbing you?
No. Thatll be the answer i know.
Therefore its the same, while reading the bible which has been modified to make it become more interesting thats why you feel internal pleasure and peace.
How can you say that jesus is god when marianne says that jesus is the son of god which means that there is only one god, Allah Ta ala.
Cornered! Mr michelle gerson
One other thing:
Who will believe your crap of converting muslims to christians? Huh
Youre doing things which should not be done cause jesus, SON of GOD HAS SAID SO. Cornered once more mr liar
Dear Joe Doe; As far as your reference to Jesus would make a friend of the Muslim; What Jesus would do is point out that Muhammad had greatly misrepresented Jesus and all that he preached and that if you really want to know Him that you need to read the whole Bible- old and new testament and then ask Him into your heart and He will show you the way. If the Muslim would keep a deaf ear to the truth, then Jesus would not waste any more time with him and use His time and great love and miracles for believers in the one true Messiah, The Christ, The Word of God. He would explain all of the reasons that Muhammad was NOT divinely inspired and that he was truly a megalomaniac murderer, thief, rapist and pedophile. Americans and Christians DO NOT hate Muslims, they simply DO NOT. We are trying to save you and teach you the way to know God personally and feel His love. May the Lord of all, the Creator of all bless you with peace and love for Him and all fellow men.
Once and for all time: Historic science has found out, that there has never been a person called Muhammad. He’s just a misinterpretation of Jesus! Instead of trying to fight other’s beliefs, everyone here should have a close look at the scientific facts! There has never been a christian answer to a new religion called islam by any christian philosopher or bishop befor the 11th century or maybe later. This alone should prove, that there has not been a new religion, because every new religion or philosophy caused a christian reaction. Concerning Muhammad? Nothing! Concerning islam? Nada! Why should the church hold a council in enemy territory of a new religion? If the Arabs had been muslims, the church would have done that in Spain and other places of the muslim world. But this is eben more proof, that islam was invented much later! The oldest hadith that tells about the life of a certain prophet called Muhammad was written around 850! That is more than 200 years after that person is said to have existed. Can there be any truth in it? I think it’s not more reliable than Grimm’s fairy tales! There is no mention of Muhammad in the quran, only the word muhammad, which means “the one we should praise” is used four times. The persons who are mentioned most are Moses (Musa) and Jesus (Isa). Even the holy places of today’s islam are never mentioned! Mekka is never mentioned (only Bakka, but that’s a city in Iraq!) and the word medina is mentioned a few times, but that just means “city” and could be any city in the whole world. By the way: Archaeologists have found out, that during the early 7th century there has not been a big city called Mekka at all. It was a small village with no caravans and no prospering life at all. So even this part of his biography is pure fiction. Come on people, try to use the things we can learn and know to find out what is right or wrong! We can never prove our faith, but we can show how things have never been!
I think you need to tell this to 3 billion muslims….and see if you can convince them of this.
This would be a nice challenge, but truth is truth, even if everyone denies it! I’ve been talking to many muslims and the modern ones accept the scientific facts and try to live in a modern way with ethics that are imho identical to those of christians. And what did Jesus say? Those belong to me who DO my father’s will! And…by the way: Knowing that “muhammad” means Jesus implies, that muslims praise Jesus, even if they don’t know… 🙂
that is a step in the right direction…but they do need to continue on and accept him as savior….3 billion muslims are a staggering amount of souls to be lost….let us pray they catch on in time.
We muslims must believe in every prophets which came and issa(a.s) thst is jesus was one among them.
The only diffetence is that we consider jesus to be prophet and you consider him to be god or son of god whatever
yes I know. since you deny jesus is the son of god, then you do not belong to yahweh. jesus is MORE than a prophet
don’t be self centered,biased in your mind, just make research and will finally arrive at the truth and consequently you will become a muslim. But dont talk what you know not
I will never worship my god of the Kaaba and Muhammad raped and murdered. So, I’m not following him.
I guess, I won’t becoming a worshiper of Sin anytime soon. What do you think of that mudiya?
BTW, which Muslim are you? Sunni, or Shia? ISIS follower, or a 12th Imam believer? Now, get to following Muhammad, or get another religion/political system.
So you what type of christian are you?
Born out of wed lock
A mistake
Or born from a raped mother
Or born from a mother with different husband😘
Dont be offended pls
No offence
what do you call one who rapes others?
muhammed
muslims
europe is full of these rapists, who want to be like their hero, muhammed
So why most cases of rape and murder are associated to christians? Why why why?
muslims rape. christians do not
It is against Islam to rape Muslim women, but Muhammad actually encouraged the rape of others captured in battle. This hadith provides the context for the Qur’anic verse (4:24):
The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
Actually, as the hadith indicates, it wasn’t Muhammad, but “Allah the Exalted” who told the men to rape the women in front of their husbands – which is all the more reason to think of Islam differently from other religions.
Note also that the husbands of these unfortunate victims were obviously alive after battle. This is important because it flatly contradicts those apologists who like to argue that the women Muhammad enslaved were widowed and thus unable to fend for themselves. (Even if the apologists were right, what sort of a moral code is it that forces a widow to choose between being raped and starving?)
There are several other episodes in which Muhammad is offered the clear opportunity to disavow raping women – yet he instead offers advice on how to proceed. In one case, his men were reluctant to devalue their new slaves for later resale by getting them pregnant. Muhammad was asked about coitus interruptus in particular:
“O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
As indicated, the prophet of Islam did not mind his men raping the women, provided they ejaculated within the bodies of their victims.
As one might imagine, Muhammad’s obvious approval of raping women captured in battle and his own personal participation as recorded in many places is of intense inconvenience to the Muslim apologists of our time. For this reason, some of them attempt to explain away these many episodes and Qur’anic references to sex with captives by pretending that these are cases in which women have fled bad marriages and sought refuge with the Muslims. Some apologists even refer to them as “wives,” even though the Qur’an makes a clear distinction between “those whom thy right hand possesses” and true wives (see Sura 33:50).
Beyond the desperation of the 21st century apologist however, there is absolutely nothing in the historical text that supports this rosy revision of Muslim history. The women of the Banu Mustaliq were sold into slavery following their rape:
“We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter” (Sahih Muslim 3371)
In fact, female slaves were traded like any other simple commodity by Muhammad and his band of devoted followers:
“Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu’l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham/Hisham 693)
Is it Islamic to sell one’s wife for horses? Clearly these were not wives!
More importantly, by definition a “captured” woman is not one who is fleeing her husband. She is fleeing her captor (ie. the Muslim slave raider). This hadith describes a typical raid, in which the women and children are captured as they are attempting to flee the attacking Muslims:
“…and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children [escaping in the distance]. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along” (Sahih Muslim 4345)
The Muslim narrator sees the women trying to escape (following the massacre of their men) and cuts off their route by shooting an arrow into their path. These aren’t women trying to seek refuge with the Muslims. They are trying to avoid capture by the Muslims.
The same hadith goes on to recount that Muhammad personally demanded one of the captured women for his own use:
I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: “Give me that girl.” (Sahih Muslim 4345)
The prophet of Islam and his companions used war to collect women for personal sexual use and for trading. Unless she was arbitrarily declared as someone’s wife, the woman became a sex slave. In no case was her fate tied to anything that she had personally done, nor was she given a choice about her future.
Youre website is fucking troublesome
Dont you have another way through which i can contact you.
you use profanity. which means the mouth you use to pray is dirty 🙂
Then thou makest God to be profane for he is the who invented, fuck. God invented genitals and the nude body too. Demand that people can be nude when they want to be nude.
People made a host of other words to be swear words changing the meaning of the word, swear. Swear back then was an oath. People say an oath before they enter the police force. People say an oath with their hand on the bible. Changing the meaning made it easy for people to curse at people with a negative spirit putting people down. They sought a vain thing. James 3:10King James Version (KJV) 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
People curse many names. It is a vain attempt to be better than another person that dies. Satan likes to be self-deceived.
Wed lock is not a biblical term.It is a Catholic term. Churches pervert scriptur like crazy. I have a lot I can show to you. God h made the human form. You know how the Catholic church wants people to look upon that form. That church ignores 12 verses where God wants a circumcised heart. The church prefers to sill blood. 12 places in KJV says the heart figuratively is to be circumcised not the sexual organs at all. Deuteronomy 30:6, Deuteronomy 10:16; Jeremiah 4:4, Jeremiah 9:26; Colossians 2:11-15; Acts 7:51;Leviticus 26:41;Romans 2:29, Romans 3: 30, ROMANS 2:25. 1611 King James Version of Galatians 6:15:For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Romans: 4:11 “And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:”
One can not be racist about a religion/political system. Your not very bright are you?
I cant say Jesus would advise to make a muslim friend. Umm have you even read the quran? Did you know that muslims can lie, steal, and kill the non-muslims and its praised in there culture! Sounds familiar dosent the enemy come for the same reason? Don’t ever trust a muslim! And that comes from experience. Read the bible and see how much God’s wrath is out for them. Read the quran and see what there God says of christians and jews! Clearly light and darkness! And they dont dwell together! That dosent mean we cant pray for them I do all the time. But would I be friends with one absolutely not!
– just saying
Quran 3:28 or Quran 3:28 are two different translations of the Quran verse and says exactly the same in summary:
“Let not the believers (muslims) take the unbelievers for friends, or their companions instead for the believers (muslims): if someone does, then you have no contact with Allah [They
does not represent islam anymore and can be killed ]: unless muslims take precautions, and plays fake (Guard yourselves from them) [Which means that muslims say that they are unbelievers (non-muslim’s) best friends when in fact they hate them ].
I grew up around a lot of muslims and I’m telling you there is so much satanic darkness and demons around them its not even funny. When it comes to the non-muslims they will deceive and destroy you just like there God Satan tells them! There plotting destruction against us daily they shouldn’t even allow them in our country! I don’t hate them I pray against the forces of darkness that drive them. But until they repent and see Christ as the king and son of God they should be looked at as the anti Christ! PERIOD they are not our friends!
Im a Muslim. You’re being racist like Donald Trump. And every body else. I’m 9 years old. You are being so hateful. Allah wakbar. I am trusted by every body in my community. Please don’t say this because it is rude and disrespectful about others. Muslims don’t steal and kill and lie.I’ve read the quran. Muslims are just like Christians. Everybody trusts me.what would you feel like if I said that about you?I would never say that to other Christians. You’re being like Donald Trump. Do you know how many refugees there are in Syria? They’re Muslims! Allah wakbar.bismillah.
Imane
donald trump is not racist….and he is not stupid either…
muslims cut off heads of christians, and when christians complain about the murders, muslims pretend to be victims, and scream “islamophobia!”
islam is based on hate of others…if they do not agree hate them and kill them…
muslims do have and kill and lie, it is permitted in the quran as long as it involved unbelievers….also muslims have been at war with each other ( example Iran vs Iraq) for 1400 years. and against europeans since their invasion
so muslims are nothing like christians, the victims of Islam which are dogs and pigs to you
trump is fair to all people, but he does not want criminals coming to america to destroy it and kill the citizens.
however, islam is racist….everyone who is not a muslim is a kafir and should be cheated, beaten, raped and killed…..this is jihad, so it is ok
if you are a girl, Islam says you are not human like men, and you are property like and animal..they recently however upgraded women to a mammal, but still not human…you can be bought or sold as well, since you really have no rights.. in some muslim countries, your private area is cut apart so you can never be happy in marriage.
allah is not the greatest….Yahweh is…the god and creator of the bible.
I am sorry for you that this burden is on your life…I hope you can find the truth and the real god of mercy and forgiveness.
Now youre trying to prove this child wrong
Hes only telling the truth
Send me an email
Ill try to instill good values in you
I cant believe that such racist people like you also exist in this beautiful world
Just tell me one thing
In the church resides jesus as a statue made of stone
So indirectly youre praying stone
Maybe thats why you dont know what youre talking
First, it is important to understand how and why the number 666 even acquired significance in some cultures although it has absolutely no significance in Islamic theology.
The most prominent and direct origin of the significance for the number 666 is the one in the New Testament, which proclaims that the mark of the devil is the number 666:
[Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.] (Revelation 13:18, King James Version)
Los Angeles Times writer Michael Muskal notes the following:
It is in the New Testament that 666 makes its appearance as the sign of evil, the Beast, the Devil, the Antichrist who marks the forehead or right hand of all as a sign of his supremacy. Because Greek and Hebrew letters are associated with numbers, the letters of the name of Evil spell out the numbers 666. Some argue the sign is really 616, but 666, with its outsized numerological mysteries, seems to be the favorite interpretation.
Even among Christians and people of other faiths, there is disagreement as to the significance of 666 as being the number of the devil. But this brief background helps to give readers a better idea of why the number 666 even came to be important.
Second, with regards to Islam, the number 666, or any other number for that matter, has no significance whatsoever. In fact, Muslims have been warned from assigning significance or meaning to signs, symbols, and icons of any kind.
The religion itself demands absolute conviction and commitment to monotheism, that is, the unity and the oneness of Allah (God), and to the Qur’an and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the authentic, unadulterated sources of Islamic teachings.
Muslims do believe there is a being known as Shaytan (Satan), who is an avowed enemy of mankind and whose sole purpose is to lead mankind astray, away from Allah, and tempt us to do evil.
However, in Islamic teachings, there is neither a form nor a shape, nor a sign nor a number, nor an icon nor an idol associated with Satan. Further, Muslims are prohibited from engaging in any form of fortune-telling, divining, visiting soothsayers, or holding superstitious beliefs. For more on this and on the Islamic view of the supernatural, see the special page on Jinn & Magic in Islam.
Finally, it is important to note that without exception, beliefs and ideologies that are man-made are prone to error, as they are entirely products of human imagination.
Therefore, the number 666 or any other such sign or symbol to which human beings have attributed significance or meaning, have little utility, if any, other than to lend a false sense of control and security to those who would believe in them.
For Muslims, comfort, solace, security, and peace all emanate from Allah — from faith in Allah (God) and from trust in Allah alone to be the best disposer of human affairs, as He is the loving Creator of us all. No numbers game, algorithm or formula, no matter how imaginative, can substitute for the power of God and God alone. And God knows best.
666 = Quran = Evil
666 = Azif = Evil
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!L!!!!LL?LL?LL?L
WARNING WARNING WARNING: WRONG INTERPRETATION OF 666
Talk about deceiving! It explicitly states in Rev 13 that everyone will receive a mark either on their right hand or forehead to buy or sell…ANYTHING!
It is also written that this will come upon the entire population on the planet!
This includes rich, poor, bond or slave! – no exemptions!!!
This will also include all religions no matter what! – Unification!!!
What is it? and how will such a mark become mandatory? Any world dominance power would have to set-up a foundation well in advance to initiate such an order through every country!
The Order Combined: UN, World Bank, IMF, CFR, BIS, Feds, WHO, Trilateral commission, Governing bodies, Religious orders, etc etc…
The Book of Revelation was by Yeshua Himself – Rev 1.1, Yeshua appointed an Angelic Being sent to John to write down what is imminent at the closing end of this Age cycle!
John was shown visions that foresaw future events 2000 years into the future. He could only describe, and explain within His own context in his time of those events and issues of what was shown to Him.
Try to write and explain visions here in 2016 that foresee in to the future around 4016? good luck!!!
First the Mark in Greek is the root of Palisade – a Picket fence.
What looks like a picket fence today that everyone is using to buy or sell?
Easy – Barcodes!
What is embedded on every barcode throughout the entire planet thats used for commerce, buying or selling?
666
Its actually the 101 binary codes that are used for the starter/guide bars on each UPC barcode. Its the set number 2 – 6 thats used (there are 3 different sets for each number 0-9)
Try to find a triple 222, 111, 000, 999, 777, 555, 888, 333, 444 thats being used as binary digits across the entire planet for buying or selling – You Wont!!!
The UPC laid its foundation in 1973, since then all types of encryption 101 binary has entered into the global system, this isn’t important, because all new codes will contain 666 embedded within the binary codes themselves!
WHATS NEXT?
To administer a global system eradicating cash, and to implement each person with their own DNA ID Chip!!!
Whats coming is what everyone will accept – to bow, accept and to use a global identification for means of buying or selling. This includes those that transit airports, the unemployed, beneficiaries, the employed, health insurance, convicts, business and commerce including all banking networks.
Passports will become a thing of the past! An RFID/Laser DNA ID Chip will replace all forms of hard card ID sooner than you think!
Anyone who resists joining the new system will find it difficult to purchase food products, own or use a car, to be employed, or travel or transit anywhere!!!
A DNA ID Chip will automatically taint your blood, Rev 14 explicitly describes what will happen to those that bow, receive or use it!!!
G-D could read Abel’s blood in the ground? He knew where Abel was by reading his blood (DNA) , thats why its imperative to understand that the closure of this Age was foretold 2000 years ago
Its your own blood (DNA), that why bowing and accepting to Yeshua using their own voice will automatically seal themselves – forever!!!
SO DONT GET CHIPPED, INOCULATED, OR BOW DOWN TO THIS UP-COMING ORDER – ITS FESTERING ITSELF IN MANY SHAPES AND FORMS. YOUR DNA BELONGS TO YESHUA ….NO ONE ELSE – ITS YOUR CHOICE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
YOUVE BEEN WARNED!!!
3~26~6000 (out of 6000) in this LAST YEAR
Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON!
Will it be on or before the true Yom Kippur, The Day of Atonement,
10~20~2018? PRAY NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM.
Revelation 14:1 HalleluYah! Hebrew; “Praise ye Yah!”
The #666 in Revelation 13:18 is the SAME for EVERYONE!
Just get it translated from the Greek, Greek Diaglott, Free
on The Web. This Greek number and name translates to
Christos Zeus, Zeus the Savior, with a CROSS, X as in Xmas!
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the beast (Vatican)!
CHRISTIANITY IS PAGAN AND ALWAYS WAS!
“Come out of HER My people!”
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Yahshua the Messiah in Revelation 18:4
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Very, very interesting…
…wait, you mean it’s NOT the barcodes on groceries? *grin*
~Anastazia~
No, not the barcodes…Muslims right now use Bismillah allahu akbar, my understanding, in their chants and prayers, according to ex- Muslim friends I have talked with…they use a bandanna or wristwrap on their foreheads or their right arm/wrist…and if you look at what John wrote in Revelation, from what he say very well could have been the Arabic phrase and not the Greek, because there is good evidence that the New Testament was written in Aramaic (not Arabic) and translated to Greek because most people spoke and read Greek, and the Greeks might have just looked at that and assumed it was the numeric version of 666
I agree with that.
Hi Anastazia,
666 is many things. It is Islam, muslims owe a large portion of our economy starting with petrol (oil) which we cannot do without. Even if you do not have a car and your use a plastic folder, this folder is made with petrol! The World Bank barcode last 3 digits is 666. Muslims owe many companies and banks, TV channels, they are in our politics (members of parliament, etc). It is the new to infiltrate a religion into the World. By integrating themselves with their money and investments, then political membership. All there remains to do now is Islam to force their religion on the world and that’s not far either. Then Satan will finally require us to worship him, something that has bothered him since Adam and Eve. He wants to overthrow the real God Yaweh, the God of the Jews and of the Christians, but unfortunately, his strategy will once more fail and will be short-lived when the number 666 is revealed. It will be a choice, but if we don’t accept it nor accept to worship the god of Islam, we will be tortured, put to death, because we refused to accept the number of the beast (Islam).
I believe in the real God who inspired the prophets of the Torah, the God of the old and new testament, the God who sent Jesus (Isa) his own son to redeem the sin of Adam and Eve, so that we can be saved, as opposed to an angel who appeared to Mohammad, a mere man, who perverted humanity and inspired terrorism.
No thank you
The Global Elite consist of 13 Inbreeding Satanic Families, and it is these very corrupt people who own and run the World, the way they want it to be run. They worship an egregore of thinking Luciferian Entities that have only hatred for all of Humanity except of course for the Global Elite, who have been given the knowledge of these Entities and the long forgotten knowledge of the Ancients, of whom the Elite have mostly removed from History. We must return to what and who we really are, which is all of Mankind living in the moment, where past and future are of no concern. When living ‘in the moment’ frees us from our negative emotions such as fear, hate and guilt. The most important thing we need is to go back to the Beginning and truly LIVE in the NOW. This is both, physically and mentally a wondrous way to experience Life the way it is meant to truly be.
if you go back to the beginning, there is nothing but God….and no satan exists.
Every religion throws fear and guilt, as but another way the Elite use to brainwash and keep the masses under their Control. The Elite also deceive and brainwash the masses by manipulating us into believing there is Terrorism all around us. George W. Bush said:”You’re either with us or you are with the Terrorists…in other words; we are f****ed if we are with Either Camp, mainly because then President George W. Bush was the one who gave the Orders for the Military to murder a Million and a Half innocent people for the main purpose of angering Muslims whose faith is for Allah. The Elite have had everything figured out many many years ago. It is all going down for the beginning of the new Age and the bringing in of a Fascist, Nazi, New World Order. There will no longer be; freedom of Speech, freedom of movement, no more freedom at all. It won’t matter for most of us because these Savages; Parasites on Humanity are going to murder almost all of us except the best and brightest of Mankind, about 500 Million of whomever they choose, to do the work that is required of them, to help keep the so called Elite to keep living in the way they’ve been accustomed to to live like all of their putrid lives. Maybe there is a Rapture where and when it will happen is still just a guess. Maybe there will be a Rapture where many Christ worshipers may be ‘taken’ before the Great Tribulation begins. Myself? I refuse to sit and wait for a Miracle to happen.. Instead I intend to Stock up with mostly food, warm clothing, bedding and weapons to help keep my family safer from the onslaught that is coming to the World. Jesus told us: “I will be here until the end of the AGE” which makes perfect sense because there will be no one left to worship Him.
i am noticing ur fear from muslims….. we will dominate…. america will go to hell…. we will prevert……. lolxxx just watch
jhon
there is no fear….
we discuss the problems muslims give to the world.
the only one to fear is GOD
Anastazia
Well, I guess barcodes could be used also. But when people admit what it is, it makes it an easier decision.
blessings
marianne
The israelinbibleprophecy website is a CHRISTIAN website intended to wake a slumbering church up from the fog of unsound eschatology as well as evangelize muslims. There are printable foldable tracts available for this purpose as well.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat004.html#8
hi Pete
Thank you for the reference. I will send people your way. Best wishes to you, and success for your efforts.
blessings
marianne
Thanks. You might want to change your text above:
“From their own websites
According to 1st Muslim website :
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/islam_koran_666.htm”
Since mine is a Christian site
Hi Pete
Thank you for pointing that out. I had several references. I must have gotten them mixed up. I will try to go back and fix it, once I figure out where the other Muslim website was…..
blessings
marianne
The next one after it IS a Muslim website.
Pete
I got it now 🙂
blessings
marianne
That information is wrong I am a muslim we don’t believe that nonsenses if you want to Know about Islam go to that website
http://www.whyislam.org/877/
Hello Nada.
I got this information from a Muslim website. The reference is given on the page. If you feel this is wrong, then contact that website and discuss it with them to get it corrected. When they correct it, let me know.
thank you
marianne
this is false and full of lie.. i am a Muslim and i say Bullshit the 666 ang 19.
Obama already started the Biochip injection code 666.. so you say that obama is a Muslim?
and what moon God? we are not worshiping the moon. only idiots worship the moon.. you don’t know about the symbols.
and about the surah 111. it has only 5 verses.. (not 6) and 149 characters (not only 100).
and we in daily mass prayers we say ALLAHUABAK, only a total of 77 times (not 111).
there is no holly numbers or holly people.. only holly books ( the real holly psalm of David, the real holly Testaments of Moses containing the Commandments of God, the real holly gospel of Jesus and the Holly Qur’an of Mohammad). all of these books were written by Messengers of Allah(swt). and who wrote Bible? Romans who tried to crucify Prophet Jesus..
and who says we are anti-christ? we love Jesus Christ more that other religion do. the Holly Qur’an even mention d Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary in many different surahs.. and have you wonder why his mother Mary wears a veil like a Muslim woman should? Roman Chatolics are the anti-Christ who were happy seeing Jesus Christ Crucified.
surah 4. verse157 of Holly Qur’an
That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
surah3 verse 3 of Holly Qur’an
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
and now someone is saying that Qur’an is just plagiarized from the Bible? the Holly Qur’an should not be changed. while John’s Bible has been edited many times.
and ask yourself. do you really believed that Jesus Christ have apostles named peter, john,mathew etc.? they are romans and romans hated Jesus Christ, that is why they want him to be crucified.. and now they become his apostles?
Obama admitted he was a muslim.
I just rely what I find.
I accept your rejection of the post.
yes, jesus really had apostles who learned from him.
The bible is not edited many times. it is the truth.
antichrist means to say he is Jesus, but he denies who Jesus is, and acts like a different jesus.
hahaha..you are so funny saying that Obama admitted he was a muslim.. and ofcourse Jesus Christ had apostles, but they are not Romans. Muslims know more about life of Jesus Christ than you do.. you might be upset if i would say that Jesus Christ is not really dead until now..because he was accended to heaven. and the one the the Romans (Chatholics) crucified was not really Jesus Christ but the Lord God made it appear that it was Jesus Christ.
repost:
surah 4. verse157 of Holly Qur’an
That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
and do you really think that God would have enemy? even Devils worship the Lord God because they are just ones of His Creature. Devils (Jinns) are enemy of mankind, because they were jealous of us. they wanted the humans to be in the wrong path so that our Lord God will hate us and put us to hell. the Jinns swear to the Lord God that humans are not worthy of His Love and it was proven by the jinns when Adan and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. but the Merciful God forgiven them. But the Jinns/devils ask to challenge the Humans and that is why Lord God put us in earth.
John (the first) from Rome was one of the instrument of Jinns to put us in the wrong path. He plagiarized the Holly Gospel and the Holly Testament together with the other author (peter, mathew etc.) and call this Bible fooling the People to worship Jesus Christ as God. john then went back to Rome and started a new religion symbolized by Crucified Jesus Christ.
the Qur’an tells the story of the past, present and the future, including the end of world.. and the sign includes the appearance of gog, magog and the Pseudo-Christ or fake-christ and the return of Real Jesus Christ from Heaven to save the Muslims (believers). take note, Muslims are the every person who believes in the only One God.
if you are not one of the instrument of jinns. i hope you’ll find the truth and spread it to the world.. the Lord God will forgive you for whatever you have done if just ask forgiveness to Him sincerely, for He is the most Merciful. bless all the believers of only one God..
robert
what you believe is typcial of islam, and why you have one God allah, and we have our own God. YHVH
i wanna ask you. do you believe that there is only one Creator of everything in the universe who created mankind, angels and demons? and that Creator is the most powerfull against everything? if you said yes, i suggest you read Qur’an, because for me you are a muslim (meaning believer). you may have just followed different “path of life”. its up to you if you believe it or not.
but if you worship Prophet Jesus Christ, Buddah, a cow, or anything other than the Creator, or worship nothing at all, you are not a “believer”.
as a Muslim , my God is the one and only who created the mankind, angels, demons and everything in the universe.. and anyone who worship the-Creator, the-Master of all being, is a “believer” or in arabic “muslim”. but please be aware that there are “believers” who follows and “believers” that do not follow the right path. and there are also “disbelievers” who pretend to be “believers”.
if you could see, i rarely use arabic terms in my comments. this is to avoid most the common misterpretations.
the word “Allah” is just the arabic translation of the english term “the God”. but those who are novice to Islam thought that This was His name. the Gospel of Prophet Jesus was written in Aramaic, so it is impossible to see an arabic “allah” in that Holly book. instead, it was written as “Elaw”. in Qur’an it was just written as “Allah” because this Holly book was written in arabic. But those IGNORANT people who claims themselves as muslims thought that arabic is the language of Heaven, but this is not true.
I will not hate you for hating the “so called” Muslims because of what you have seen in the media or what you hear in your environment. but i wanna tell you that those things you heard or seen that makes you hate muslims are against the Teachings of Islam.
PS: most of not ignorant people knows that websites and blogs may have contents that are very far from truth. i suggest you not to foolishly believe on things like that the next time you search the web.
PS: if you still don’t believe that there are many versions of Bible just ask google
and I just wanna add this:
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Surah 2: verse 84 –And most certainly We gave Moses the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Jesus, the son of Marry, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! Whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.
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I hope you find the very truth.. have a nice day 🙂
robert
I accept the fact that you believe in your faith. Most impressions are made about any religion by watching the behavior of its followers.
I can see negative behavior of Muslims, and I can see negative behavior of Christians. There is only ONE bible….all the “versions” were written for clarity.
They have all the same CONTENT…..so they are all the same.
NO they are not the same.. some versions may have the same content in some part. but not all parts. and not all versions.
make this as your reference. PLEASE READ THOROUGHLY
some changes are just minors but some really alters the meaning.
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Versions/Differences-1.html
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/apologetics/comparisons_of_bible_versions.shtml
http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsv-bibsac.html
http://www.valera1909.com/discrepancies.htm
you cannot say that this is just a problem caused by translations of words. because some changes are ommisions of words, ommissions of verses and complete change of verses’ contests.
these are REAL christian websites so you may find justifications for these changes. m
for what ever purpose of these changes. i don’t really care.. for this is just a Book written by Men. that is why many authors are not afraid of changing its contents.. and if you will say that this is the Holly Book delivered by the Lord God. Why would he permit this to be altered?
there are four Holly Books
1. Psalm/zabur by Prophet David
2. torah/Testaments by Prophet Moses
3. Injeel/Gospel by Prophet Jesus
4. Qur’an by Prophet Mohammad
and the Bible was just written by John the first of Galilee combining his knowledge from first three Holly Books with alterations.. together with his friends who claimed that they are Prophet Jesus’ apostles so that they maybe praised as saints and some religion even worship this so called saints as God.. they are not Prophets of God, who are they to write their own Holly book?
read your own Bible and examine.. and tell your audience if their coincides without telling another lie. i’ll give you some to starts with
Job 26:7 versus Psalm 104:5
Acts 9:7 versus Acts 22:9
II Samuel 14:27 versus II Samuel 18:18
Leviticus 15:24 versus Leviticus 20:18
just open your eyes and brain, you’ll find more than that 🙂
open your mind and your heart and ask yourself.. who is God and who is satan? satan is the one that will do anything to lead as astray in the path towards the Love of God.
you can argue all you want. I have read the different “versions.”
there is no difference between them
It is also obvious you have never read he bible.
the best you can do is copy and paste arguments….you get from the internet.
even if you did read the bible, you would not understand it, because it takes the presence of the holy spirit to understand it.
your are really funny. you are the one who copied and paste most. you don’t even own copyright of the images you posted. not only to this page but as well as to your other pages. hahaha
and how could it be that i haven’t read the bible when I grew up as Born Again Christian? anyway thanks for your replies. I enjoyed commenting. I have said enough. I just want to share enlightments to the innocents.what ever you do to yourself, i don’t care anymore. I am not afraid of whatever you do to just to twist the truth about our Religion, because even the combinations of all satans would have no match to the Great Lord God.. and I am not afraid of the end of the world because I know God will be there for us. I am only afraid to the wrath of our Lord God, the Creator, the Sovereign of the Universe…
pity the unbeliever especially for those who twist the truth for they will end up in hell.
i jz want to repeat.. everything in the post is untrue.. 666 has nothing to do with my Religion. there is no magnificent 19 nor any holly numbers. everything in the post about Islam was just a lie and fabricated by evils..
there is no surah in the Qur’an that would say that 666 or any number is holly. I can’t forget how funny you said Obama admitted that he was a Muslim. such a foolish lie.
666 is bullshit!!! could you say that also? MAYBE you can’t. maybe its holly number for you?
But what about all the different versions of the quran? There were so many discovered throughout the years? Many were hidden in mosques, the so-called othmanic quran is a fiction from far later times. The original text was written by the syro-aramaic people and many of the so called dark parts of the quran only make sense in syro-aramaic language.
Surely, there are many versions of biblical texts, because many scripts from the early christian centuries have been found and some of them differed slightly or to greater amounts, partly because of misspellings, different theologies of the people who wrote it or because they wanted to explain things within the text, not in a comment. But the quran is just the same. Most muslims think that the quran from Cairo (1925) is the same that was given to the prophet. But that’s wrong, there are dozens of different text versions throughout the medieval times. And what about all the misspellings in the quran, the wrong use of grammatical phenomena, the misunderstanding of names (quraisch are mistaken as a tribe, but they were people who worked for the emperor of Constantinopolis). Have a look at the latest scientific studies concerning early islam. There is enough evidence, that Muhammad is a mistaken version of Christ, as Jesus was called Muhammad by the syro-aramaic Christians. Malik who built the dome in Jerusalem wrote his beliefs in Jesus, the servant, crucified and raised from the dead… And Malik was a kalif in islamic tradition! And he had pictures of Jesus as the pantokrator printed on his coins, and the agnus dei (lamb of god) and the palm tree of Bethlehem. Why did all the khalifs choose Christian holy places for their castles (Damascuc – the place where the head of John the baptist was kept) and not Mekka, the holy city of islam? And why – if there ever had been a prophet called Muhammad- did all of the people in the territories that he is said to have conquered still paid their taxes to the king of Persia and the emperor of Eastern Rome? You should look for the latest releases by scientists like Muhammad Kalisch, Karlheinz Ohlig, Christoph Luxenberg, Volker Popp and dozens of others who come to the only possible conclusion: Muhammad is a fiction of medieval times and never really existed. Sorry. God bless you.
according to quran, muhammed is not jesus, or another name for him.
early christians never called jesus by the name of muhammed.
i agree that muhammed could be a fictional character. it was said he could not read or write, so other people wrote the quran for him.
but then it seemed like he was real. he killed a lot of people who opposed him and left a trail of blood everywhere he went.
do not be so naive to say that the bible and the Qur’an have the same content, first of all the bible lost its purity due to various changes into the 1000 and so versions, if at all it contains any truth, it’s about 2%, and for the Holy Qur’an, it has never been changed for the 1400 years of it’s existence, this has been the greatest challenge to mankind, not that they have never tried to change it or add, omit or alter anything in it but the Almighty ALLAH promised to protect it from any changes until the Judgement day. too little of what is in the bible is contained in the Qur’an and its only that which was decreed by God.
the bible has always been true
the quran has always been wrong.
very consistent
got any proof?
“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
Demonic voices were speaking into Muhammed’s head. Not the Angel Gabriel. Everything Muhammed said about Jesus was false.
Hallo Lyn if you are citing right than al tabari 6:111 is 6×111=666.
btw i’m from muslim origin and it is impossible to debate with them.they are ignoring and lying to anything that makes islam look negative.but just ask them
how a good god could have sent a pedophile(aisha 6years)massmurdering(banu quayriza genozid) enslaver like mohammed.
And he was no pedophile massmurderer before he became muslim.
thank you for admitting that Koran Deny the Son ship and Cruxification of Jesus Christ..that expose Islam as the satanic and demonic anti-Christ..yes that is true..666 years before the fabrication of Islam, it’s being prophesize in the Book of Revelation..this Book of Revelation which author by Jesus Christ, handsdown to St. John will demolish the entire satanic and demonic Koran
I want to thank you for all your work and caring.
Many Muslims are not aware of their own teachings,
and will defend it. This is found true of all false
religions where the ‘outer circle’ knows nothing about
what is going on yet it will be the outer circle that has
to do all the fighting and will be sacrificed up if need
be. That is really being a victim.
I know, every time one of them argues against what I say, I have to look the verses from their book up for them and point it out to them. They don’t even know their own books and are taught false things about ours. Whenever you see Louis Farrakhan or other Islamic hatemongers trying to convert Christians, they misquote the Bible like crazy and twist it so badly and the not so good Christians believe them and convert. I’ve never seen liars so blatant as Islamists.
It never ceases to amaze me how “moderate” muslims differ so vastly from what has come to be known as “radical”. In every system of belief, it’s always the extremists (I suppose Christianity has its holy rollers or fundamentalists-evangelical is becoming such a dirty word, tut tut), who represent the more centrist ideals in truth. So true Islam is that belief that seeks to agressively reform the infidel. The truth of the matter is that those muslims who decry the view that theres is a religion of violence and subjugation are those who are novice in their beliefs. That or theyre in denial.
You obviously have not read the Qu’ran or the Haddith, have you? There are two kinds of Muslims, the hateful ones that want to kill all non-Muslims and the ones who don’t know their books very well and think they have a peaceful “religion” and call themselves “moderates”. There is no separating sharia law from islam. They are one and the same. Osama bin Laden and the Taliban were following the commands of Muhammed.
I have read both books all the way through with an open mind and I know for a fact that Muhammed was a sociopath, heard demonic voices and acted on them. You also need to study the ancient history of the region, including the ancient arab pagan religions.
please why so much rivalry between our great religions i am a muslim and i have many christian friends who respect islam as i respect and love my christian and jewish brothers and sisters. whats with this relation between islam and 666 it isnt true i have read the quran and have studied the bible and and although diffirent in many aspects the principles are similar muslims believe in prophet jesus we believe he will be the saviour acompanied by the mahdi from the prophets bloddline i follow the teachings of the prophet and worship the same god you guys do and it is also in line with what jesus and moses taught why do we let our diffirences sepreate us and make us enemies why can we not unite under the common good love thy neighbour and respect each other and satan will have no grip
UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
dear maxik
peace
the rivalry starts when the holy books are accused of being corrupt and they claim message is not true.
It is ok to discuss differences, but not attack.
people also have to realize that some differences will not become resolved until Jesus comes back., so there is no use in arguing about the.
I personally live in peace with muslims around me where I live, and I have a foreign student from a muslim family living with me, so he can go to school.
Bad times are ahead in this world, and god does not want anyone to perish, but to be saved, physically and spiritually.
Love and mercy should triumph over differences.
Maxis
Muslims, Jews and Christians are not friends. It says in the Quran to eradicate Jews from the Arab peninsula. The Bible says that the Hebrews / Jews are God’s people. It makes no sense. We require a man to say something about the future and it should happen to call him a prophet. It does not make you. Muhammad raped people. He had sex with a nine year old. He forced his son to divorce his wife so he could marry her, etc. Islam has copied lots and modified it from Judaism and Christianity. Muhammad said that he is the last prophet and Jesus said that he is the last as a liar. Jesus said it, a future that will deny that God has a son he is the Antichrist. It is only Muhammad who has come as a religious leader and said this. So you and your followers are not my brothers and I do not want to live as friends with you. I hate you. The only thing that causes me to be kind to a Muslim is that it is in our scriptures to love their enemies as you are.
Sorry. used google translate and i don´t understand the translation.
what you say about prophet muhammmed(pbuh) isnt true he was great man who spread the word of god and how can he be the anti christ- who is the false prophet who aims to lead people astray prophet muhammed did not do that instead he also warned that one day the antichist will come and jesus will also come and defeat it
Hi Amardo,
You are looking at Revelations First Horse (white) which comes in the name of peace, yet carries the sword, in order to conquer the world. Following is the Red horse of war, which means the terrorism will increase, not get conquered. 😦
Any talk of peace is just a strategy to gain acceptance. However, there really are muslims who do not strongly adhere to what the others think. They just want to be left alone. I call these cultural muslims, not religious muslims.
blessings
marianne
I Leatherneck, the Greatest of all Barbaric Christian Infidels will never surrender to allah the false moon god of Islam.
Be careful, Muslims are allowed to lie to Infidels.
ROPMA
Dear, leatherneck
MUSLIMS, are compelled to lie to INFIDELS(un believers, hindu’s, sikhs, buddists, pagans, wiccans ect) then kill them if they reject ISLAM. Muslims are commanded to exert their Scriptural DOMINANCE, politically,legally ,socially over PEOPLE of the BOOK(Christians & Jews).
Mandatory LYING to non muslims is known as TAQIYA or KITMAN. Only SUCKERS believe in all the Kumbaya RELIGION of PEACE bravo sierra. I have known several decent muslims, but keep it secular. Just tell them you are a follower of JESUS CHRIST and leave it alone. Never joke about their sick PROPHIT, as it will turn a so called moderate into a HEAD CHOPPER in a New York second.
Hi Leatherneck,
You are just so wild and funny. 🙂
Maybe the Infidels might end up lying to the Muslims. 🙂
blessings
marianne
Islam and The 666 Connection
For generations, the mysterious meaning of the a particular passage of The Revelation of St. John the Divine, (the last book of The New Testiment has been debated. The passage reads as follows (According to The Authorized King James Version)
13:16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
13:17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
13:18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
There are other examples of “recieving a mark” cited in the Bible that give more insight into this, for example:
Exodus Chapter 13 Verse 9
This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the LORD is to be on your lips. For the LORD brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand. 10 You must keep this ordinance at the appointed time year after year.
Exodus Chapter 13 Verse 13
And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand.”
So, whether the mark will actually be a physical mark is even a matter of debate. The mark may in fact be symbolic of the recipient observing or celebrating an event, or perhaps a reflection of exactly whose law is on one’s lips.
Also, notice there are three possible scenerios regarding the “mark”. “The mark”, “the name of the beast”, or “the number of his name”.
The mark may or may not be simply “666”. However what we do know is that the number of the beast is “666”.
If the beast represents a religion, and if that reliion is Islam, the following statement would have to make sense. “The number of Islam is 666.”
Here is how this makes sense.
To begin with one must think in terms of the calendar in use at the time of the writing.
The calendar we use today is a variation of the Annos Domini dating system which was not devised until 525 A.D.
If one were to analyze whether there is a connection to 666 to be found in a calendar, the more logical choice might be to consider the calendar in use at the time of the writing. During the period of the Roman Empire, the calandar
most commonly used was the calender created by Julius Caesar. It was devised in 46 BC and went into use in 45 BC.
Simply put, 45 years after it was put into use, Jesus Christ was born. We know this date (year) as 1 A.D. (Note that there is no 0 AD or 0 BC).
Some 621 more years went by bringing it to 622 A.D. – A total of 666 years from the first year of use of the Julian Calendar.
The year of the creation of Islam – 622 A.D. (as we know it) being 666 years after the establishment of the dating method in use at the time the prophesy was written.
Hi Watchtower
That is interesting. I never thought of it like that. Thanks.
blessings,
marianne
You have to swear an oath, and recieve a mark. The mark of the beast. Those who except the mark will not make it to Heaven. The beast will not be known until it receives a head wound, and is healed by Lucifer.
With a Commie elected POTUS, you nice folks might consider placing a few important things in a safe place.
if this were true, satan could give life & God wouldn’t be the only one who could give life. It is much more likely this referes to something else, the beasts kingdom, power, etc.
He wouldn’t give life…he would possess a dead body and bring it to “life” per se…it would be Satan in carnal form. I remember in the scriptures there was some “drama” over hiding Moses’ body when he died (God charged his angel to hide his body) so that Satan would not “consume” it…”possess” etc…Is this right Marianne? Silvan?
I do not think that Satan could possess a dead body.( moses)
Found the reference in Jude 1:9.. 9 But (AC)Michael (AD)the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about (AE)the body of Moses…”
Not much more is said regarding why Satan wanted Moses’ body…one can only assume and even then we could be wrong. I am not saying that “for sure” this is what Satan wanted to do or even could do…I was just trying to make the point that Satan is not able to give life at all-he would have to “steal” it per se.
Hi Leatherneck
The Jews said that, in Russia, the government went in and confiscated their bank accounts, promising to return the “borrowed” money. It never did. Just a thought.
blessings
marianne
ummmm…maybe I won’t talk to the bank afterall…..LOL
The Bible says that “Gog” is “the one all the prophets have spoken about.” Who will that be? The Antichrist! Also, if you compare Revelation with Ezekiel 39, there are identical phrases. Gog is the Antichrist who invade an Israel at Peace, just as Jesus said the Antichrist will do. And Jesus warns the people to flee from the land so fast as to not even get their belongings. Why? Because Islamic people will rape even pregnant women! And Islam is the Antichrist religion. So many have been looking for a European leader or an American president, or the Catholic church. All the while, Islam has been taking over the world, and has every component of the Antichrist’s kingdom
I agree and even though Israel only takes up .01% off all of the land that the Muslims have, they want to take Israel as well. The Jewish Nation has done more with that tiny piece of land in 70 years than almost any nation has done in hundreds. It has blossomed and when they regained their nationhood and land, they did offer full citizenship to Muslims and anyone else there that wanted it. The “refugee camps” were where they had to put the anarchists who should have just left if they didn’t want to live under the Israeli flag. God has blessed Israel time and time again and the anti-Semites just aren’t very observant, I guess. God wanted them re-established there and He will have His way, one way or another. God is the ultimate Zionist, lol.
Hi Al
I totally agree with you. I hope others see this soon.
blessings
marianne
the numerical equivalent of “Bismillah” is 786 and not 666. Also, everything said about 666 is just a fabrication, Muslim/Islamic website or not. As for the kind of bullshit that is considered as evidence is unbelievable and shows how desperate u’v become to just find anything to slander Islam.
Gog and Magog are not the Anti-christ whether it be Islam, Christianity and Judaism. That goes to show that people delivering verdicts on civilizations are incapable of basic research. If i go to the web and try to find a website that provides some twisted logic to prove that Jesus or the Jews are evil, am sure i can find a few but i have better sense then that.
Also, the fact about “Israel at peace” being attacked, we all know how at peace Israel really is. One has to be blind to not see what Israel stands for and the kind of injustice has been delivered to the middle east in the name of “Peaceful Israel”.
Half of American Congress is licking Isreali balls every year at the Israeli Lobby AIPAC meeting. Thats how strong Israeli lobby in USA is. No wonder everyone sounds like ignorant and naive here.
Listen to Obama’s speech at the AIPAC meeting this year, you wont find the guy vying for the most powerful designation in the world but a weakling looking for AIPAC favor. Garbed under anti-semitism, israeli lobby is so strong in the USA that the average american is naive about whats’ going on in the name of a Zionist state. A tiny country has USA by the balls and dictates its foreign policy.
Go “Youtube” the israeli lobby and u’ll find some useful facts. Please wake up.
Jesus told christians of a man called ahmed or mohammad who will com after him and tell the truth about Allah. (is also shown in the “Passion of the christ”).
This whole bullshit about 666 and Islam is there because u cant understand why muslims are fighting USA and the Zionists in the first place. Because u cant see how USA and CIA has interfered in the evolution of muslim countries, installing CIA run puppet goverments and meddling in theri affairs for decades.
Qutb Hussaini and Aimal Zawahari, two of the forerunners of the modern muslim jihadi were held captive in egypt by CIA and tortured. They would strip them naked, smear animal fat on their bodies and then let loose human attacking dogs on them in closed cages. Qutb hussaini has a heart attack during one of these episodes. Before that time they were for peaceful and political change but this torture (proven, basic research will tell you that its true how the egyptian government with help from CIA crushed these muslim student leaders once they became powerful enough to take over government. It is the brutality and other acts of USA and CIA that turned these people into extremists but what would you guys know about that. You just woke up after 911 or you would still be drinking beer and watching superball sunday without any knowledge of the atrocities ur government is committing around the world.
In Islam Jesus is called the prophet Isa
He was trying to spread the same message as the prophet muhammad PBUH………….but….
Even though the bible was found over the years it got changed and changed until it is now the lie today.
I once spoke to a Christian teacher on this and he said tat the pages of the bibles were brought together (the ones tat were part of the ‘pure’ bible) but u can’t bring back something Tats been lost 1000w of years.If ur christian beliefs are true then why did the bible got changed 100s of times in history??UNLIKE THE QURAN which hasn’t been changed since the day it was made by Allah!!!!
If u still argue tat the Quran has changed where is all the evidence?? Like the bible’s evidence of it’s changes in history??
People should start believing tat Islam is the true religion,the evidence,it is staggering,the Quran and science,the miracles recorded in the Quran still there today such as the line on the moon.
dear True Believer
The bible has not been changed 100 times. That is a lie people tell, because they do not believe in the bible.
Do not believe everything you hear. Ask for proof. There is no proof that the bible has been changed.
Lucifer was a beautiful Angel greatly loved by YaHuWah, before he decided that he, the created, wanted to take the place of the creator. I am quite sure that Lucifer knows a
lot about science and the miracles that YaHuWah created..perhaps even enough to write a book.
You have wishful thinking that all humanity will turn to Islam. The only way to heaven is through the sacrifice of Jesus the Lamb Of God. Sorry to disappoint you. I do not know many people who want to change over to abuse of women and children. I know of very few who want only their eyes peeking out. I do not want my daughters and grand daughters living in a world where if they are raped they will be murdered for bringing shame to the family. Your Holy man the Ayatollah Khomeni said it is ok to thigh baby girls at the breast. He also was so worshipped that he asked his guest if he could have his 4 year old girl for the night. The poor baby cried and screamed all night. This was a report by a muslim. Islam is not loving and kind or free. I do not want it. King James bible has all we need for life now and the here-after.
Hi True Believer,
It has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt, that the bible has not changed at all. The bible has been historically checked against different versions such as the Samaritan and Greek, as well as later texts, and apart from a few spealing errors nothing has changed. If there was going to be inconsistency of any kind in the bible, it would have been with the Samaritan and Hebrew texts, because these two races absolutely despised each other. In fact, it was down to their haterd of each other that they kept their own versions of the bible. Some versions of the bible differ in style of language, as well as convey different flavours of the original Hebrew/Greek words. It has to said that in parts, some of the origianl meaning of words have been lost in translation, but not to the detriment of the context or the overall meaning.
The Quaran on the other hand, which you say is without any mistakes, was written with errors of origin. The Quaran’s errors are of an intrinsic nature within its message and its claims, which scholars have identified by applying a forensic approach to determin that Muhamed plagiarised the bible, and furthermore he mixed it with paganism (worship of sin the moon god), resulting in the creation a hybrid religion called Islam.
The bible speaks nowhere of Muhamed or of Islam..at least not in these terms. The bible may well make reference to Islam in the form of riddles..such as with 666. I have to say personally, I find it hard to see the connection between Islam and 666 (chi xi stigma), without really stretching my imagination. However, I do believe that Islam is refered to as the beast empire which attempts to destroy Israel in the latter days, and is successful up to a point, but is destroyed itself by Christ. Stangely enough Israel itself is part of the beast system as the head that was mortally wounded, and then by a miracle revives in the form of Zionism. It seems that Zionism and Islam become strange bed-partners of the beast system, which is based on an unreliable peace treaty between them.
The bible speaks volumes about the Lord Yeshua Christ, as the true messenger of Yahveh. There is absolute consistency in the bible from Old through to the New Testament, with both Testaments cross referencing the other in complete harmony.
Nope. If the beast is an empire it could only be the United States or Russia or China. Those are the biggest three empires today, and Muslims are politically repressed, ruled by secularist dictators or by pseudo-religious regimes allied with the United States such as the Saudi Arabian king.
And the secularist Western elites represent the antichrist, mentioned by Muhammad (God bless him and give him peace) as al-maseeh ad-dajjaal or the “false messiah/christ”. Secularist white western elites claim to represent Christianity but are actually the biggest enemies of Christianity. Hence they are the collective antichrist. But God knows better.
Hedley, I agree with your take on things in general. It has to be said, although many on this particular site, seem to diregard this one fact: that although Islam is indeed a false religion, zionism as portrayed in its political form (as apposed to the true Zionism of scripture concerning Christ’s rule over the earth), is also a false religion. In fact, political zionism insults the very purpose of Yahweh, and His Will to establish His Heavenly Kingdom upon the earth, with its capital in Jerusalem, and therefore the zionists and its supporters have profaned something which is Holy, and made it into a cult.
Furthermore, false gods come in many guises e.g. sun worshipers on the beech; endless hours spent in front of the tv; the worship of finance by the zionist banksters and their power to fund wars and State sponsored murders of tens, if not hundreds of millions of innocent women and children and military (goyim), throughout the course of history who die as a result of those wars, all carried out so that the zionist supremacists can have a land to call home, at everyones expense. So, it’s not just Islam and the moon-god, it’s also zionism and the goledn calf syndrome of finance that’s equally evil.
Déolée mais je ne siais pas ou vous avez été chercher que le coran était écrit avec ce chiffre il est dedans quand on parle de l’enfer le calcul du mot enfer ou satan est toujours le chiffre six rien à voir avec votre rapprochement .Votre Ignorance vous égare qu’ALLah vous guide Amin en plus vous entrainer en perdition d’autres personne et cela est très grave.
What you don’t understand is; the term Bible means library. The individual books of the New Testament, were separate manuscripts written by different individuals, each giving their own accounts and insights from their perspectives. They were not officially gathered together into one book for 300 yrs after Christ’s death and even the compilation took much prayer, time and debate between the Christian scholars from differing sects. There are the main books that everyone includes and some that some did include or exclude within their Bibles, depending on the beliefs in the validity of specific writings. Except for the Jewish Bible, There really has never been only one Christian Bible. The main criteria of inclusion of different manuscripts is that the writer should have been alive during the time that Jesus was alive. That is why the Gospel of Thomas etc. are not included because it is 3rd and 4th hand information and written at least 150 yrs. after Jesus the Christ ascended into heaven. Muhammad took most of his knowledge of Jesus from that gospel and that is another reason why the Jesus of the Quran is so off-base. The Quran does tell its followers to read and refer to the Bible, so I don’t understand why it goes against the Bible so very much and the Quran also goes against almost everything that Jesus said.
The Bible has never been one book. It has always been a collection of writings. Bible means library. It took a couple hundred years for scholars and priests to research, pray over, discuss each book for inclusion into a main collection that would be kept together in one binding. The different sects or beliefs in Christiandom at the time did agree on main inclusion for all Bibles, but also included or excluded different writings by different authors according to their belief of validity. But the point is that the writing support each other and follow the prophecies of the Old Testament which has not changed hardly at all for thousands of years. We have proof. We have thousands of ancient manuscripts to compare with. And if God didn’t like what they came up with and if the quran was inspired by God, then why didn’t he say to throw out the Bible that it was all wrong and that everything in the Quran is to replace the Bible? He didn’t. And the Quran does say to read the Bible and to refer to it. It also says that the Jews are to come back to the Holy Land and claim it once again.
Jesus would NOT send a baby rapist to show us the way. The Holy Spirit is what we need and the bible. Nothing more. Jesus is clean and Holy. Bophammed was not. He is in hell right now and why would we follow a prophet who would take us to hell.
Jesus would NOT send a baby rapist to show us the way. The Holy Ghost is what we need and the bible. Nothing more. Jesus is clean and Holy. Mohammed was not. He is in hell right now and why would we follow a prophet who would take us to hell.
Hey you i wont say anything bout jesus cause really he also is one of the prophets sent by allah to guide mankind
But however people like you didnot follow him and became ignorant of eveything
Maybe thats why youre talking like that but let me tell you that prophet muhammad (saw) was the noblest of all and hes enjoying heaven right now. Poor you cause you dont have the privilege to enjoy heaven piggy rickard and yes dont you dare talk like that again. Bloody swine
titeuf
I pray that God reveals truth to you, and gives you peace in your heart
The Gospel reference that you are speaking of, does not in any way say ahmed or muhammed. If you read the full chapter it goes onto discuss the one who will come after Himself is the Holy Spirit. This chapter actually names the Holy Spirit, not anyone else. Don’t believe the lies they tell you to get you to turn away from the fleshly manifestation of God who we know as Jesus, Yeshua, The Word.
The Holy Spirit is the manifestation of God that can be among us and within us if we invite Him in and are obedient to Him. There are no 3 separate beings in the trinity. But God is so everpowerful that He can manifest Himself into forms to carry out His own plan. In the Beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word is God and came down from heaven. He was born of the virgin Mary by immaculate conception (no, God never had sex with Mary). She was from the line of David as well as Joseph, the man chosen to raise Him in the human form of Jesus. Muslims disagree that God can manifest Himself into different forms, but Christians believe in the completeness of God’s power. We believe that He can do what He wants in spite of the limitations that Muhammedans would try to place upon Him. How dare you all try to verbally put limits on His power!! Pretty blasphemous, I say. Read the Bible and learn the truth. I pray for you.
Hi Sik
I got the information from a Muslim site. I will keep your comments here, so that others can see that your disagree. The number in English is 666. Why would Muslim website put this information as 666 if it is incorrect? Maybe you should work to correct the muslim websites that say this, if they are wrong.
The ancient names of gog and magog seem to come from what is now the Islamic world, although back then, they were different countries. In the future, we only think that gog and magog will be from same area, but this may not be true. Some think that it will be from Russia.
I understand that the conflict between Muslims and Jews go back thousands of years, in their ancient cultures. Israel does want peace, and has give up land it won in battle to have peace. Muslims need to want peace also, and be willing to make sacrifices like the Israelis do. There is also an Arab lobby in the USA, and they get things they want also.
blessings
marianne
The people of Rashad Khalifa are not considered true Muslims and are an isolated sect. But you are so ignorant of Islam that you are not aware of this. How pathetic.
To claim that Israel wants peace whereas Muslims want Israel and the United States to keep murdering them stems from that same ignorance as well.
When Israel (.01% of Muslim land-tiny!!) was re-established after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, other nations were newly established as well. Look up Iraq, Iran, Pakistan,Jordan etc.-all new as well. Only 12% of the land in Israel was owned by actual Muslims and they were offered full citizenship with full rights and keep their homes and land if they wanted to be citizens under an Israeli flag. There was only about 100,000 or so. Many did stay and prosper and live in peace. Many chose anarchy, were supposed to be offered citizenship in newly formed Jordan, but they chose to stay and cause harm to their new nation and to themselves. They were, of course, kept away from peaceful citizens and those that refused to leave peacefully and establish themselves elsewhere, had to stay in a camp. They were always plotting against Israel and it’s peacefull citizens.The U.N. is the group that screwed up, enabling them and calling the place that they were in the “Palestinian Authority”. There was no “war” until the people living within the Palestinian authority started one. Israel has ALWAYS bent over backwards and forwards giving away more and more land until they have less than half of what they were supposed to have in the international agreement.
Everytime, Muslims fire upon Israel, they aim away from military sites and purposely aim for cities and neighborhoods, and in typical Muslim fashion fire at Israel from behind their own children, hospitals, mosques, schools, neighborhoods and while Israel is extremely careful to try to avoid civilian casualties, does end up chasing the trail of rockets back to where they were fired from. Muslims always do this evern when purpetually fighting each other. They have little respect for human life. Try to study more unbiased information sometime, you might learn a thing or two. BTW, the quran even states that the Jews are supposed to come back to Israel according to the will of Allah, so also please read your own books as well. We do.
I live in a Muslim society, am quite a knowledgeable Muslim, and I have heard of the number 666 only as part of Christian beliefs. That we Muslims ascribe any significance to number 666 is pure garbage. God certainly does not love those who speak out of ignorance total falsehoods and hence tell lies. Hence God does not love you. He does not love ignorant liars.
As I said above, all your references come from websites of the “nineteen-ists” who follow Rashad Khalifa, and they are an isolated miniscule sect. For the first time I hear that they ascribe importance to the number 666, but apart from them no Muslim ascribes any importance to that number. If you don’t repent and apologize for writing this totally incorrect post in which you select a miniscule sect at your whim and project its beliefs to all Muslims in order to demean Muslims, then know that God sees and hears your fraudulent and deceitful actions and will hold you on the Judgement Day responsible for these crimes. Don’t underestimate God. He is real. His judgement is real. So stop making deceitful assertions and earning his punishment.
hello Adem
I posted this with the right intentions. To this Rashad Khalifa, it seems true. I thought it was just interesting information. It was not meant to start trouble.
If you look enough at my site, you will also see that I can be critical of Christianity, in the modern form it is in today. It has strayed from the original teachings of Jesus, and does not represent what he taught, and what his gospel was to the world.
So I am just giving a critical look at all religions, especially the parts that may not represent the original teachings.
It is good to expose these things, so people will be aware, and avoid what is false.
I do not follow Islam, but Christianity, and only in the original biblical form. I have friends who are Muslim, and I work with them some on charity issues, so I am open to their comments and complaints.
on each page I have, I post information. People are welcome to argue about it and give reasons why it is not true. Readers will see both what is posted and the arguments about it.
the idea here is to debate issues, to find truth, and to detect what is false.
So your comments stay here, and people will read your response to what is written, and it will help them think, and make up their own minds.
Thank you for giving your views.
No we should not be working to correct these sites. There are always fringe elements out there and taking them seriously is giving them more importance then deserved. However, you should do more research before posting views. If I find anything about anyone/anything on the net, it is my responsibility to be thorough before I represent these views, so the responsibility lies squarely on your shoulders.
As for Jews, the christians throughout the ages hated and persecuted them even to the extent of literature. Shakespeare and Charles Dickens exhibit that in their work as well as how they were marginalized and even targeted over the centuries. We all know how the Jews used the romans to kill Jesus. They were cursed in the time of Moses (PBUH) for a reason.
It was really the time of 600 BC when Jews were subjected to Babylonian tyranny that the pharisees (70 Jewish Elders) came up with Tamrud which is the book followed by Isreali’s, which legalizes that all non-jews are inferior to jews, that a jew can have sex with a 3 year old, any property dispute between a jew and a non-jew has to be resolved in the favor of Jew since they have right over all property and other outrageous things. The oldest Jewish text, the Jewish Encyclopedia as well as Jesus himself clearly distinguishes and denounces this heretic tradition. Those who live by the Tamrud really are not jews or the people of Moses. This is how organized religious authority can completely disfigure the original religion and Prophet. There is a huge different between these Zionists and the Jews of Moses.
“”The Whole History of Judaism was reconstructed from the Pharisaic point of view, …. Pharisiasm shaped the character of Judaism and the life and thought of the Jew for all of the future.””- Taken directly from the Jewish Encyclopedia “Pharisees”
I think some basic research is badly needed. Just read or do research on Tamrud etc. There are no “Peaceful Jews” and the Zionists among the Christians are only propagating ignorance. Do you think the modern Zionist face of Pharisiac Judaism is actually based on Moses’s Teachings???? These 70 Pharisees claimed that when they were forbidden to go on the mount that Moses went to and got his revelation, they were in fact given revelations much more profound then were given to Moses. Maybe the christians can also eliminate Jesus since he denounced this heretic tradition in Judaism, so that the Zionists in christianity can also be free of their Prophet and teachings to pursue their own twisted agenda and spread ignorance among simple, god fearing christians and jews.
This is a really misguided post –
Have you heard of the discovery of the Amulets of Hinnom?
In 1979, Israeli archaeologists discovered these amulets or tiny scrolls in the valley of Hinnom. Working with NASA, they were definitively dated to just before Babylonian exile. Know what they had on them? The TRUE holy and ineffable name of God – YHVH. And a passage from the book of Numbers. Whats that mean? That they were absolutely monotheistic before Babylonian captivity – you should know better, even the atheists know this now and have abandoned this lie. Clearly and conclusively, the age-old argument that Jewish monotheism arose out of Babylonian captivity by stealing ideas from Zoroastrian priests is DISPROVED.
Do you study? I feel sorry for good people that are so thoroughly deceived by the deception of the so-called “prophet” Mohammad. Bottom line is this: Does one sincerely believe that the Holy God of the Universe would set down a holy document that could in any way be interpreted as encouraging rape and murder? Just to confirm whats been said earlier, our Bible is amazingly close to the original manuscripts – it is a direct lie to say otherwise, for many scholars have determined this. Check out reasonablefaith.org – should quiet any intellectual doubts about Christianity. Even in the OT, God was merciful and loving, and loved those men who were good and righteous to one another. With the revelation of Jesus Christ, all doubt it erased and the world is held accountable. Jesus has called us all to complete mercy and love, as our FATHER IN HEAVEN loves us.
Say what you want – but the ONLY group of people on the planet right now that are the source of constant war are Islamic extremists. Israel DOES want peace – they have the right to exist! Its beyond discussion at this point. Iran claims an “inalienable right to possess enriched uranium” , but deny Israel the right to exist? Is that representative of a Holy God who is above the world? Or rather, is it representative of small men who want to use religion to justify endless murder and hate on account of a misplaced 60 year old vendetta? The Israeli people owned that land thousands of years ago; the argument that they “stole” it, or that it “first” belonged to Palestinians is ridiculous. In terms of first ownership, its theirs. In terms of the rules of war – that the conqueror keeps the land – , its theirs. Muslims sure had no problem with that, secular or not, during the reign of the Ottoman empire.
the torah existed before the babylonian captivity, proving the jews were monotheistic from the very start.
The “Isreali Lobby” and its influence is nothing compared to the “Arab Lobby” (which does not represent all Muslims). This fact can be borne out with some basic research as well.
The Israeli lobby doesn’t need a lobby as it has many and varied entities and institutions to lobby on their behalf. In fact, those institutions don’t need to even lobby because they are controlled by the zionist elite who influence international finance; economics; international law; the UN; the World Trade Organisation; The Council for Foreign Relations; the Papacy and its finances; Governments; Security Services i.e. CIA; MI6/MI5; FSB; Mossad; and others who all constitute one mighty mother of a beast… or rather heart of the beast. Both the Catholic and Islamic apostate religions are but the children of its mother harlot zionist/Israeli enterprise (Rev 17), the Israel/Jerusalem that now is (Gal 4:25). Jesus is coming to remove the Jerusalem/Israel that now is..not one stone shall be left on another (Math 24: 1-2). Natural Israel is the fig tree that was cursed, and has been shooting forth its leaves once again..it is the head that was mortally wounded and has revived.
Whilst it is God’s intension to save a very small remnant of natural Israel, by bringing them into a covenant relationship with Christ, most of them will continue to defy the warnings and refuse to return to the faith of their father Abraham, and are going to be destroyed for their persistent harlotry and unbelief represented by Hagar. Even natural Israel can only claim to be Jews by having the faith of Abraham. Before Abraham was Jesus said I am, before Abraham there wasn’t anything such thing as a Jew, except for Jesus who was the true Israel..the Prince of El. It was upon such a belief in the one who was before Abraham, and who was to come after that Jesus says that we are not Jews or Israel based upon bloodline, but rather we are truly Israel if we are Jews because of faith in Christ. NATURAL ISAREL has done nothing but to bring the good name of God, and his Son the true Israel, and their teachings into disrepute. Hence Israel serves as a warning to us not to go their ways of idolatory; usury; lies; murdering; and unbelief etc etc. Anyone who patronises natural Israel is a beast worshiper..along with those who patronise her daughters i.e. Apostate Christendom and Islam who were both born due to Israel’s disobedienc to bring the nations, and their beliefs into subjection to God!
you do not know the truth.
you have been deceived. God promised to bring his jews back into Israel, and to protect them so that they would never be driven from there again.
you have a lot of hate and bigotry. I suggest you repent, before you damn yourself to hell.
The romans, the christians, the babylonians, all of europe and yes muslims have had a long standing conflicts
Now I am going to state something I don’t want to but that should make u do more research. The Talmud states that “Mary (the Virgin Mother) was a harlot and that Jesus (PBUH) was a bastard”. May Allah forgive me for repeating this but I am outraged by your ignorance and allegiance to a people who proclaim this of your prophet. What shame.
Hi Sik
As you say, a fringe element does not represent the entire group. If you actually took time to meet the average Jew, you would find them much different than what you have been taught. The Jews I know are not as you describe. I think it is time for understanding and not contempt. This way peace will come.
blessings
marianne
Let’s see, Muslims have declared war on Israel five times, and lost each time. Now, they cry. Perhaps, the Muslims should spend their money on roads, and schools, not weapons, and ammo.
In all the Islamic countries, why have they not found room, and helped their fellow Mulsims that Israel keeps at arms distance?
Christ stated they will not believe in him who comes in G-d’s name, but they will believe in a man who comes in his own name. Is that Mohamed Sik Malik?
Mohamed enjoyed murder, and rape. Yet, you follow him Sik Malik. Strange.
First of all I have lived in the USA and have many jew and christian friends and truly believe that the average jew or christian is as peace loving and god fearing as the average muslim but that should distract us from the fact that Zionist elements in USA Government and Israel are hell bent on waging unjust wars and victimization of Muslim around the globe, and they have conned the average Christian and Jew into supporting these wars. 70% of the people in USA now think that they were lied to and manipulated into an illegal war on Iraq. Making peace with Zionists is out of the question.
As for what you said about Mohammad (PBUH) is purely slander without any proof but then who can stop someone from saying such things. These kind of ignorant filth surely shows how much peace and tolerance is being promoted here. Let’s see marianne respond to “Leatherneck” : )
Christ mentioned the coming of “Ahmad” or “Munahma” in Syriac pronunciation, and told his followers that he will reveal the truth about “Allah” (Jesus used the world Allah for God by admission of christian scholars). But I guess thats no problem, you can just twist and make Jesus say whatever you want. I am sorry that Jesus cant support your bullshit. Maybe you can worship satan he might be more amenable to your rhetoric.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world : )
These prophets, Moses, then Jesus and finally Mohammad share a strong spiritual bond and knew of each others coming and advised their people accordingly but the followers have vested interest because Religion is a means of earning and influence for some of us and we mislead the others.
Let me put my neck on the line for your bit of lies from those who have translated names and stories from some 100 years before the birth of Yeshua from the talmud in fact tand claim these stories to be what they are not though they have been disputed over eons. Only the anti-semetic will not look it up and find out the truth.
There are four main passages in the Talmud that are alleged by some to discuss the story of Jesus’ life and death. A large number of historians and talmudists have addressed these issues and have concluded that either none of these passages refer to Jesus or that they refer to a proto-Jesus, whose life was later obfuscated by the theologically motivated rewriting of history.
It is clear that there is no consensus whether Jesus is mentioned at all in the Talmud. Most of the supposed “blasphemies” of Jesus and Mary in the Talmud do not refer to them at all. However, there can be no denying, and no rabbi would deny this, that the authors of the Talmud did not believe in Jesus’ messiahship or his divinity. If you are looking for Christian fellowship then Jewish literature is not the place to look. However, there is no basis at all to state unequivocably that the Talmud calls Jesus a bastard or that Mary was a prostitute who had sex with many men.
The passages Malik is referring to clearly do not refer to Jesus.
But, Malik is clearly making an anti-semetic attack to introduce his further lie on the pedophile Muhammed and killer of people who did not accept his arrogant claims of prophet.
Your claims of his mention in Hebrew texts and Greek texts are arrogant an uneducated which is normal per muslim revisionism and pointing out this kind of lieing that muslims do have nothing to do with kindness or Christian morals unless it is kindness in pointing out the madness that muslims have fallen into of embracing the lies perpetrated by a killer and pedophile and by muslims laying claim to the Hebrew prophets when the mad Muhammed was an
GENDER: Masculine
USAGE: Arabic
OTHER SCRIPTS: محمّد (Arabic)
PRONOUNCED: moo-HAHM-mahd [key]
Meaning & History
Means “praiseworthy”, derived from Arabic حمد (hamid) “to praise”. This was the name of the prophet who founded the Islamic religion in the 7th century. Since his time, it has been very popular in the Muslim word.
The name was borne by six sultans of the Ottoman Empire (though their names are usually given in the Turkish spelling Mehmet). Another famous bearer was Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, a 9th-century Persian mathematician and scientist who devised algebra.
Muhammad was born into the trading society of Mecca in 570. He was a part of one of the dominant tribes, the Qu’raish…he was a common pedophile and murderer with an arrogant pride for someone who was jealous of those around him and found it easy to take other mens wives.
He can make no claim to Old or New Testament Prophecies or scriptures because his name is never mentioned in scripture except where muslims have re-written scriptures to match their claims.
All those who re-write the scriptures to make their claims clearly have not read all the bible for Revelation 22 is very clear when it says that any that do such evil shall have their names taken out of the Book of Life.
A Warning
Revelation 22: 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
Mohammad is mentioned in the original hebrew versions of the Bible but it has been translated as “The Praised One” which is the meaning of Mohammad or Ahmad, that is, the Praised One.
not true. how dare you call Jesus a mere “prophet”! those terrorists know the Quran inside & out and you call youself a Muslim?
Hi Sik
I searched the bible text and did not find “the Praised One.” That term does not exist. In the bible, the only ones who are praised it the Father God-Yahweh in heaven, and Jesus.
The coming one that Jesus referred to was the Holy Spirit, who came 50 days after the resurrection on Pentecost.
If you look in the book of John, it says in 3 consecutive chapters that it is the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost) that they are expecting, not a man. The Holy Ghost will give them power, and teach them about the Father in heaven, and help them understand better the wisdom of Jesus.
Here are the entire chapters, so you can see the verses in context:
Peter relates in Acts 1 that Jesus had commanded them to stay in Jerusalem until the holy spirit, who is the comforter, came, so that they would have power given to them from the Father to do God’s work on earth:
Since the followers of Jesus could not leave Jerusalem until the Comforter came, or minister to others, it is obvious that the Comforter they were waiting for would have to come in their lifetime.
They could not “wait in Jerusalem” for 500 years, waiting for a man to show up. They would all be dead by then. So, think about this.
Notice they are waiting for “the Comforter,” (the Holy Ghost). It does not say “the Praised One.”
blessings
marianne
In a correct history book, Mohamed married a girl of six, and raped her at nine. Is child sex OK with you Sik Malik? How about the slaves Mohamed raped?
Did Mohamed Murder? Yes. Quite a bit Sik Malik.
BTW, Christianity is the fastest growing religion, not moon god worship of allah.
You Mulims wage war with your half brothers, because you are insane with hate. Satan is also full of hate, and enjoys misleading those who follow Islam.
Bombay death toll rises as moon god worshipers murder in the name of allah.
ROPMA
Hi Leatherneck
I sense you might like to be over there, settling the issue once and for all.
marianne
No thank you. India is a third world cess pool. Kind of what America is getting to be. I want to be here when the Muslims go ape with their AK’s.
Peace out.
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The info you have there is all wrong. First, you’re refering to the bible written in greek about 100 years after Jesus. Therefore, this bible is not the word of God.
Secondly, the word in the gold image is not “bismillah”. Is is Allah (or Elaw in aramaic) which means God. Muslims call the father (in trinity) as Allah. Now how could the Quran be the work of Satan when in the heart of the Quran there is a whole chapter called Marie (mother of Jesus). The Quran narrates the story of Jesus and God asks us to believe in him and his book.
Here is an interesting fact about “Marie” in the Koran. According to Mohammed, the mother of Jesus was the sister of Moses! He confused “Miriam” and “Mary” and thought they were the same person. He also said that Moses was friends with Noah, supposedly after the flood (unless Moses was a stowaway). This collapses the biblical timeline by almost 4000 years.
I would not trust anything that Mohammed has to say about the mother of Jesus.
HI Jenny,
I had checked with someone who understands Arabic before I wrote this. I was trying to be accurate. They had confirmed the name of Allah and the crossed swords as representing Islam.
If the bible is not the word of God, then neither is the Quran, because that is all the Quran had to copy from.
It is also possible for any book to be only partly correct, and then have incorrect passages. The Quran may have sections about Mary, but it denies who Jesus really was. This information was given by Jesus to his witnesses while he was here. It has been distorted over time, NOT by the bible, which is true, but by incorrect interpretations of what is written. I have other sections on clarifying this.
Here is a summary page:
Maybe this will help. Thank you and many blessings
marianne
Allah is the name of the moon god Mohamed’s family worshiped. Allah Akbar means Allah is greater than all others. Meaning there were many other pagan gods at the time of Mohamed.
The Jews knew this, and called BS on Mohamed. Mohamed, in his love, murdered all the Jews who would not convert to worshiping a pagan god.
The Koran is not the word of G-d, but the writings of what Mohamed said, and what a spirit told Mohamed. In the Koran Christ did not die, and rose from the dead for the sins of all humans. What Christ is the Koran talking about?
Hi Leatherneck,
The Quran definitely has a different version of Christ than the Bible does. There is no way to accept both as truth.
The Bible has proven itself as true. The real Christ is found there. Also, as HE has revealed Himself through the ages to mankind, he has proven he is everything the bible says he is.
blessings
marianne
I am not too suprised. It’s amazing. Satan truely is a liar.
Kwazy
Not only a liar but “the father of THE lie”. That lie was told at the onset to Eve. “you will not die”! That lie has spread to encompass all manmade religions. ie Immortality of the soul in Christendom, tranmigation of the soul in Eastern disciplines, and is reflected in promises of Heaven to all true believers.
1 John 5:19 “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one”.
That doesn’t really make sense – Jesus condemns what is not of Him; what is not true and what is evil. Through Christ, God promises eternal life, many times – so it doesn’t make sense for you to say the lie is eternal life and Christendom is lying, when Christ affirmed there was eternal life in Him, JUST as He called Satan the father of lies.
If you’re going to use one verse of the Bible to shine light, know that the Bible is whole and complete: each one is tied to and supported by the whole thing. Plus its common logic: how can you apply the rule of a system without asserting authority to that system? And if, even temporarily, you acknowledge the authority of that system, you can’t apply its authority against its axioms because you either admit it doesn’t have authority (meaning the rule you applied is void because the system it belongs to is broken) or the rule is right and voids the axiom (meaning the authority of the rule is compromised and can’t be applied in the first place).
The axiom – God asserts eternal life through Christ.
The rule (you have fallaciously applied) – “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” and “…the father of lies”.
Your conclusion – eternal life is a lie.
How can the axiom which gives the rule authority be invalidated by the rule? Doesn’t work. Have to hold it accountable to external fundamental laws – beautiful thing, God is God lol. Nothing can invalidate the system of the Bible because God is THE foundation.
Hi Kwazy,
I agree. One of the most amazing lies that Islam (Allah) teaches is that Jesus will come back and punish or kill all the Christians are unbelievers. Now why would he kill his own followers? It is just amazing what people believe.
blessings
marianne
Hey ,
Jesus Will Not Come To Kill Christians , But To Kill Beast , Beast is One-Eyed Also Mention In Saying Of Prophet Muhammad (S.a.w.w), Also Prophecy In Your Own Scripture, Ref: Zachariah 11:17 , Also See Links Below About Moon God E.T.c
See Also:
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)”
Nation Are We Muslims , Believe Or Not , Its True , See (Forth The Fruits Thereof )Who Are Than Muslims 90% Muslim Don’t Eat Or Drink Or Do What is Forbidden On Us , Unlike Christian Eat And Drink, Like Pork, Wine, .
Muhammad In Bible 1:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah.htm
Muhammad In Bible 2:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
Allah is Not Moon God:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_god.htm
The Kingdom of God was never mohammeds or muslims but what you have shall indeed be taken from you for you have done great evil in the sight of God and men Ali…all Islam has done great evil in hating your neighbors and slaughtering them and all for the 72 eternal and absurd virgins and a hell full of pubescent boys you have coveted.
You have woven a net of lies with the liar Muhammed and with that net you are ensnared for you are numbered with the Beast!
the christians are so “smart” that they think on a trinity…
you don’t know even who is the God because for you belive three in one…
such a crazy thing!!!
the scientists tried to find something wrong in Qur’an basing on it,when in Qur’an says that the ants can be break…just then after some experiments they saw that a part of their body has steel and then they can be broken…
ALL-LLAH IS THE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ALL REAL Christians stand with Israel. Thats just the way it is. Israel is smaller then N.J. and it is surrounded by 57 Arab states that want their death. I am for Israel, 100%. I am NOT a mob mentality crazy.
666 or 6 are unlucky numbers somehow the number ’13’ and ‘4’ do so too. They are unlucky numbers that somehow people who are constructing a building plan, they possibly will leave the forth floor blank and rooms are removed or usually people will just build up to 12 floors.
The whole 666 thing can be twisted to point to lots of people. The important thing is that it represents an anti-Christ view.
Muhammad was anti-Christ. Anti-Christ is anyone who is against Jesus’ teachings and claims (anti simply means “against”).
Many Christians know little about islam’s teachings about Jesus (Isa). They say Jesus is the Messiah but seem to not understand what that means. They deny Jesus’ death on the cross (they say it was Judas on the cross) and Jesus’ victory over death and sin. They deny his teachings, like “love your enemies, do good to those who hate you” as well as his claim to be God’s Son. Did you know they also believe that Jesus died when he was 120 or 125 years old?
I agree we have to love the Muslims and pray that they would read the Bible for themselves to see that their version of Jesus as “prophet” misses the whole point of Jesus’ mission on earth-thee gift of eternal life, the forgiveness of their sins.
HI Susan,
You raise some very good points. I think you have gotten to the heart of the matter.
iranaeus provided reasonable evidence that “the number of the beast” was actually transcribed wrong and was originally 616.
all of that turning the number on it’s side stuff is nonsense, this seems like a lame attempt to associate islam with evil by dubious means.
there is no “real” islam just as there is no “real christianity”. lots of people use those words as a label for their practices and beliefs, which vary massively from person to person.
p.s. i would ask you to reply to my post on devine vs. natural dreams but there isn’t one. please read it and take it to heart.
zarathustra
The Muslims recognize and use this number themselves, which is a confirmation.
Curious – if you were given a choice between choosing Islam, and praying to Allah, and getting your head cut off, which would you choose?
if i was given the choice between sitting through a church service with boring, brainless dullards like you prattling away about inconsequential drivel- or cutting my own head off. the latter would seem attractive.
zarathustra
Someday soon you will have that choice. Except the sermon will be about Allah, and you will be in a mosque.
So Marianne, you’re a Zionist..typical why do i even bother
Dear Anonymous,
God is a Zionist too.
Hmmm … And I always thought 666 was actually 999 upside down! Duh!
Your post is so cute!!
It’s true, I tell ya! Really: “666 = Much ado ’bout nutzing!” And I’ve proved it more than just once about other things as well! Like f’rinstance, when I’m righteously plastered (that’s an euphemism for “being drunk”!), and belly up on the barroom floor, I realize it’s really an upside down world! And my date’s wearing Fredericks of Hollywood! Hmmm! Something ‘bout that ol’ adage, “IN VINO VERITAS”: There’s Truth in Booze! 98% Proof! Staring at me in da face! Mercy!
Maybe if we all got drunk, we’d quit bickering ’bout Religion and move on to something more worthwhile …. like golf!
Its 786 not 666.
666 has no value whatsoever in Islam.
Here is a REAL Muslim website with an explanation.
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1149429767587
Dear Marianne,
Meanwhile, everyone is jumping down each others throat, Lucifer has achieved what he set out to do! Create a diversion and you can take everyone’s attention off the real facts. The “Beast” of Revelation Chapter 13, is a World encompassing Power which will issue a 6/6/6 number for EVERY human being on earth. If we ALL have a number 666, to buy or sell (Verse 17) how would 6 Billion people be able to tell one apart from another? Just like a Telephone number, we will have 6 digits/6 digits/6 digits. As it says in the KJV – “…Count the number” (…of Digits?) It is the number of a man [human as opposed to Products of the Universal Products Code of – 1 Digit/6 Digit/6 Digit or 166]
I don’t know about you, but the ONLY World Encompassing Power on earth today, is the United Nations. It is NOT MUSLIM, neither is it Christian! [In spite of its Quote from Isaiah 2:4] (We must look at Joel 3:10, which tells of the real End Time situation) What many don’t know, is that the U.N. is made up of only Communist Party members in the Security Council. This can be verified by reading a book written by G. Edward Griffin called “The Fearful Master”-(a second look at the United Nations). It is Backed up by the “G7” (7-heads) and 10-Horns (10 World Trade Centers) as Depicted on the FIRST Digit of the 1/6/6 Product Code …being a digit Zero (0) to Nine (9) … You can verify this by looking at the Bar Code of USA/Canada=(0) China/Australia/Malaysia and New Zealand=(9) [Beast with 7 Heads/10 Horns is given in Rev.12:3 and Rev.13:1.] Chapter 12 shows Satan-led U.N. with Sovereignty (Crowns) on “G7”, but when it gets to RULE the World it gets the World Trade Organization’s Backing and its Sovereignty comes from the 10 World Trade Centers.[Rev.17:12, 13] This is picture is given as the 10 crowns on the 10 Horns in Rev.13:1. The “Beast” [Power] that has the deadly wound as mentioned in Rev.13:3,12,14. is the World Trade Center in N.Y. which on 9/11 was demolished, but will be resurrected to contain the “2-Horned Beast” [Power] of Rev.13:11 which is the IMF & World Bank. …Both of which are connected with the U.N.
By the way, The G. Edward Griffin book is mentioned on the Internet, just “Google” and you will find it. For the Power [head] that was “Wounded” Revelation Chapter 18 gives you an account of Merchants [Traders] standing afar off [v.10] where in a SINGLE hour it was demolished!
HI Olaf,
It is interesting that you consider the strike on the World Trade Center as the “deadly wound,” that is suppose to heal. It is now located in Research Triangle Park, in North Carolina.
http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/news/story/1168115/
But then, it is a head that gets wounded, not a crown, correct?
Hi Marianne,
There are a few problems I have had with the change of terminology in Prophecy. Daniel chapter 7 and Revelation 13 is the other.
Daniel 7:5. And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and [it had] THREE RIBS in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Here we see Russia after WW2 becoming the USSR with 3 ETHNIC groups in its might. These are Yugoslavia – Serb, Croat, and Bosnian groups. [WW1 was started in Sarajevo – Austrian crown Prince & his Wife were gunned down by Gavrillo Pincip.]
At the dismantling of the USSR, fighting broke out ~1991 in Yugoslavia again! These RIBS become HORNS.
Dan. 7:8. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were THREE of the FIRST HORNS plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
20. And of the ten horns that [were] in his head, and [of] the other which came up, and before whom THREE FELL; even [of] that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look [was] more stout than his fellows.
24. And the ten HORNS out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue THREE kings.
I have a little problem with these THREE Ribs/Horns/Kings as the THREE could be the LION, the BEAR, and LEOPARD if verses 4,5&6.
Lion = GerMANy – Stands on 2 FEET (East & West) – Lion is its Mascot, In WW2 Luftwaffe (Eagle’s wings) were plucked off.
Leopard [Britain] has 4 HEADS [England Ireland, Scotland & Wales] Have access to 4 Air-forces [RAF, RAAF, Royal Canadian A.F, & RNZAF] Dominion is the British Commonwealth of Nations.
Revelation 13:3. And I saw one of his HEADS as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
HEAD – Wounded to Death.
12. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first BEAST, whose deadly wound was healed.
BEAST – Wound is Healed.
14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the BEAST, which had the WOUND by a sword, and did live.
BEAST had Wound by a Sword.
Here we have a HEAD – BEAST …WOUNDED. So it appears that a HEAD is basically the SAME as a BEAST.
The CROWN is Definitely SOVEREIGNTY.
Rev.13:1. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns TEN CROWNS, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev.17:12. And the TEN HORNS which thou sawest are ten KINGS, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power AS kings one hour with the beast.
13. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
TEN World Trade Centers receive Sovereign Power where before, the 7 HEADS [G7] had Sovereign Power.
Russia turns the G7 into the G8.
Rev.17:11. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the EIGHTH, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
The Book of Revelation was given to John “in signs”. Meaning symbolic vision was employed. Numbers throughout the bible are sometimes literal and sometimes symbolic. When things are said three times it’s for emphasis ie Holy, Holy, Holy Jehovah is Holy in the superlative. The number 6 is one number shy of 7 which indicates perfection in a spiritual sense. 666 an inferior number related to men and men’s governance stated 3X “number of a beast (you’d only have to read The Book of Daniel to see beasts represent human governments and the number of mankind who fell from perfection.
Hi Angela
Good point. The unseen 666 is much more powerful than any physical sign. It is the inferior, imperfect, rule of godless man that is the danger behind what we see.
Hi Angela,
I agree with you in the fact that many of the visions John were given are Symbolic, but we also have factual references, such as those who are faithful to their allegiance to God, are also beheaded in the time of tribulation – Rev.20:4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
We see these have not received this “mark,” so this mark must have to be factual. Since the 1980s we have grown to accept the fact that all PRODUCTS are assigned a BAR CODE. This code comes in several formats.
1234//1234 & 12345//12345 & 1//123456//123456
The last example is the most common, with the FIRST digit denoting the World Trade Center digit assigned to that product.
Look in your grocery shelves, you will find that most items which are manufactured in the USA have a ZERO (0) as the FIRST digit,
eg. (0)//123456//123456 – whereas China, Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand have nine (9) as first digit –
eg (9)//123456//123456 …You can see that (0) to (9) is 10.
The World Trade Organization has the World divided into 10 regions of trade. Each region has its TRADE Center, just like the one that was demolished on 9/11/2001. The World Trade ORGANIZATION in Geneva, took over the GATT (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) in December 1993.
In my country, they place a sub-cutaneous microchip in animals, why wouldn’t they be able to do that to human beings?
As we are not products from the assembly line, we would need to have a different code number than the Product Code of (1)/6/6 – but instead have a 6/6/6 code [ie. 123456/123456/123456]
I do not dismiss the fact that when things are said three times, that it is for emphasis, but we must not get things mixed up when it is detrimental to our eternal future, if we do not RECOGNIZE an important event that will exclude us from heaven if we accept that “mark.”
Hi Olaf,
From what you are saying, we have already accepted the mark, if we are using anything with a bar code on it?
Olaf
I admit bar Codes used in our secular world may be irksome to some but are non-threatening. As a student of Gods’ Word though, I see a more serious threat in being influenced or to be marked, in either attitude or action, as being in servitude to those who refuse to acknowledge the supreme sovereignty of the true God, Jehovah.
Long have animals and even slaves been branded with a mark as an indication of ownership. These marks were always placed on humans in conspicuous parts of the body such as the forehead (and hand). Worshipers of false gods identified themselves by having the mark of their diety on their foreheads. However, under Isreal was prohibited disfiguring with tattoo marks. This served to counteract any idolatrous practices and taught due regard for God’s creation.
The fiurative use of a mark in Ezediel’s vision by the man with an ‘inkhorn’ showed these were servants belonging to Jehovah and worthy of preservation at the time for execution of judgement by God. The figurative mark on the forehead testified to that! In John’s vision persons receiving the mark of the wild beast on forehead or hand were in line for destruction. That mark on the forehead publicaly identified them as worshipers of the wild beast and therefore as slaves to it. On the hand would signify active support of the wild beast, the hand being used to accomplish work.
Hi Marianne,
I am sure you know what the answer to that question is!
The criteria for GETTING that mark is the “Worshiping” aspect.
Rev.20:4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not WORSHIPED the beast, neither his image, neither had RECEIVED [his] mark upon THEIR FOREHEADS, or in THEIR HANDS; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev.14:11. And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who WORSHIP the beast and his image, and whosoever RECEIVETH the mark of his name.
Rev.13:15. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not WORSHIP the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev.13:4. And they worshipped the DRAGON which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the BEAST, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
…So you see, it is the WORSHIPING aspect that this WHOLE rebellion on the planet is all about. SATAN (Dragon) wants to be GOD. I can quote the passages, but that will be unnecessary to prove. It was not so much the disobedience to God’s order, but it was the BELIEVING of Satan’s word as AUTHORITY over that of our Creator. In so doing, EVE chose SATAN as her FATHER and god.
Hi Olaf,
Thanks for the clarification. We are all stuck with bar codes now. I recently had my passport renewed, and they automatically put a chip in the book cover.
I never plan to worship anyone but YHVH.
** May I use your answer in a post?
Marianne, I don’t mind what you do with whatever I submit. I am only happy to know that there is someone able to spread the truth and shine their “light” amongst all the confusion [Babylon]
Sometimes, one must look in the mirror and see the marks on one’s face. What a mystery it is. The ideas in one’s head. The writing is much more ancient. Angelic perhaps. We are reaching a time of a new beginning. A new world order. Perhaps you will live to witness this?
You have to understand your real place. What you call humankind is nothing more than a slightly advanced life form living on an insignificant planet in the outer reaches of a galaxy you call the Milkyway. You got to where you are by evolution triggered by cosmic rays and natural radiation. Your internal hard program is what drives you and motivates. The prime directive is to create offspring. That is why sex feels so good. Humans are like a virus that needs room to expand. Until you realize your true purpose, you will never understand yourself.
hi k4
so what do you think my purpose is, since i am more like a virus that needs to expand?
Hi Marianne, It saddens me to think about all the people who will perish because of lack of knowledge, or lack of the ability to discern truth from lies. The bottom line is, we’ll find out in the end that the word DOES NOT come back void. The devil is basking in the glow of the discourse and ignorance we have for beliefs that are different from our own, because he is not an enemy of religion. He loves to watch us bicker over his lies, because he can be free to run to and fro creating havoc, to divert our attention from Jesus’ return. Baptist, Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, etc., I am a follower of Jesus Christ and the word says that EVERY knee shall bow, and EVERY tongue shall confess that He is Lord. While we’re busy disputing over the inconsequential discrepancies of “religion”, we miss the Truth. Now to some, truth is relative, but Truth with a capital T is non-negotiable. Did Buddha die and come back to life, Mohammed, Confuscious, Ghandi, the leader of scientology…no brainer, the only one who defeated death was Jesus Christ!!! Through his sacrifice we are made right with Jehovah God. Let’s not wait until we see Him face to face to make our decision on what to believe, because then it will be too late to find out what you thought was Truth, was really just truth.
Hi Q
I agree. My biggest concern is the unsaved. I really pray that they find out who Jesus is,accept him, and cling to him in the days ahead.
What an absolutely lovely and true statement. Q, you have gotten down to the grit of this, You are correct, it is those that worship Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. All the bickering serves no purpose but to divide and confuse and yes, Satan revels in our disputes. I do not and never will worship any but the one true God.
Kelley
Hello again Marianne, as you have already probably determined, I am here now. Just some clues:
http://www.ebooksx.com/The-Sirius-Mystery_249392.html
When I was young and reappeared, they tried to take me away many times. I outsmarted them. I learned how to avoid detection. Perhaps, not forever. My previous house in Samarra has been destroyed by men.
I have no hostility to you or any of your kind. I only want to live in peace. The only hope for what you call humanity is to eventually get off the planet you call Earth and spread into unoccupied space where resources are unlimited. You currently live in a terrarium. You can solve the riddle of aging and all sickness. You only have to truly work together. All the resources you need are waiting for you in space.
The terrarium will run out of resources soon.
This must be your highest priority.
hi ka4
I am getting older. My resources are almost gone as well. This earth has evil, crazy people on it that do not want peace,just war and terror. I just pray that they either destroy themselves, or someone else does it. One way or the other, I am at peace. I am ready to leave this life anyhow.
Hello again Marianne, it is funny you mention evil. Evil is an undefined term. It is relative. When you look at the evolution of a planets so-called life forms you see a pattern. That is, one organism consumes another in order to survive at the simplest level. It is almost comical. It is like some evil genius created the whole scenario for it’s own entertainment. Like some all powerful bastard decided we were his play things. Imagine a child with ultimate power creating a fantasy reality around itself. To make itself feel real and powerful it must create sub beings in its own partial image. Then the bastard leads you to believe that he is not responsible for your predicament. As if you are somehow the master of your fate.
While all along it was he that created you and the rules of the game. All along watching like children gathering around a fight watching some unfortunate person getting beaten or killed. Remember our World wars.
We like to believe that some force or power out there is what we call good. Of course good means survival with no pain or suffering.
Human beings are now able to see the truth. Like the slaves of the Romans.
Perhaps it is time to rebel against our master?
k24
Lower life forms that are part of the food chain only exist without a soul. They were created for man’s benefit, and he is supposed to care for them.
THe Creator does not expect predatory behavior out of humans, and he is not responsible for our behavior. We are.
The force that pushes man into war is satan, not God.
Satan is the evil supernatural force. Yahweh is benevolent.
I’m curious. In most sentences you speak of us “life forms” as if you are no part of our world and then you say, and I quote, “Remember our World wars.” This would lead one to believe you are part of us. So are you alien or human and where is it you actually come from? Just curious to hear an answer, but please know I do not believe your made up stories. God is the Creator of our Universe and gave mankind free will. Our actions are therefore our decision. Yes, there is a food chain, but as stated above, predatory behavior is not man hunting man for nourishment. Very curious to see your reply.
Marianne, you probably noticed that I mentioned the Human mob behavior. There seems to be pre-programmed desire by many Humans to watch other members of their own species suffer from pain and suffering. They gain the feeling of pleasure from these horrible spectacles. It is the strangest thing I have ever witnessed. As far as I know, no other life form on your planet exhibits this behavior. That is why Human beings are a dangerous crowd.
Perhaps the people that engage in these behaviors are without souls like the animals you mentioned?
Does the presence of soul dictate the knowledge of what you call good and evil?
You like to believe that “Thou Shall Not Kill” applies to Humans only. “Thou Shall not Kill” applies to every living thing on your planet. That means when you eat, you must consume something that does not kill it’s original life form. Certain plants will provide you with sustenance without killing them. All life is sacred.
You are probably wondering what the definition of life is?
hello Ka4
Life is the presence of God
Scripture tells us that there are the seed of Satan and the seed of man.
It is possible that those who are so far extreme as to enjoy murder, pain and suffering are of the seed of Satan.
God teaches us to protect life.
The commandment is actually thou “shall not murder”…..
this is a senseless taking of an innocent life, for no godly purpose at all.
This only applies to humans, since lower life forms do not have the spirit of God in them.
However, man is also to protect animal life as much as possible, so senseless killing of animals, unless it is for food, should not happen. Even when killing for food, it must be done in a quick humane manner. Torturing animals is forbidden.
Originally, man was a vegetarian, and lived a longer life. When he was permitted to eat meat, his life span declined.
Marianne, I am a little different. I am hurt and disturbed when any living thing is hurt or killed in the name of a so-called higher being. This whole system is unholy because there is always something that suffers for the so-called better good. Do you think an animal or a plant wants to be killed? Do you think that those organisms are some kind of suicidal lovers of Mankind? Do you think one of these creatures does not feel pain when it is killed in the name of Humanity?
You have to see the reality of it all. The whole Earth ecosystem was created like a Gladiator arena. The strong that provide the most entertainment were allowed to survive. The so-called weak or organisms that could not or would not fight were eliminated from the competition. Once one superior organism was allowed to dominate, it will be eventually killed since the creators of the competition never intended the gladiator to gain his freedom.
It works like this.
Perhaps you think the Emperor will grant you your freedom just for worshiping it? I highly doubt it. The Human race must find a way out the arena.
hi ka4
I do not believe plants have feelings .
All life needs to eat.
I do not see the bigger organisms having an advantage over the smaller ones. A snake, bug or a bacteria can kill a human.
I do not think, physically, that one organism has a complete advantage over others. Things seem to be in balance.
Wherever the human race goes, example to another planet, it will still need to eat.
Yes, Marianne you and your kind need to eat. You need to breathe as well. You are reaching a stage where you can recognize that what you need to eat can be created independent of a life form. The sugars, salts and proteins can be created in a lab. Your body is a machine. This machine can be controlled. Once all the killing stops, you will have reached the next level. The next level is not some so-called God like state. It is a state where Humans recognize that there is something better than the horrible reality that the so-called creator created for them. Humans must go above this barbaric level. The person you call Jesus Christ got it right. You already know this. This person was the greatest Human being that ever lived. It was not his witnessed supernatural acts that made him important. It was the philosophy he taught.
It is greatly unfortunate that most Humans do not follow his teachings. Many think they do, but they do not.
hi k24
The bible records that Jesus ate fish and bread, and drank some wine at a wedding. How do you interpret that?
BTW, I agree that many do not follow his teachings properly.
Marianne, the beast you seek 666 to identify is already all around you. This thing is the hidden barbaric nature of what you call Mankind. Every man and women that gains pleasure from watching members of their own species suffer is the beast. The beast is inside you. 666 is you.
The Lord Rebuke you! (whatever spirit is inside you to cause you to write such a horrible thing regarding a Child of GOD!)
Ok…just realized this was posted 2009…..sorry…I just got so MAD when I saw that! And I had just read Jude 1 vs 9….HA! It was the first thing I thought of…LOL…Sister in Christ girl! I got your back….:)
Marianne, yes it is recorded that Jesus Christ ate fish and other animal body parts. I eat raw fish myself. I am not a prophet. I regret eating these things.
I know deep inside that destroying a living organism in order to survive is a barbaric behavior. The egotistical concept that living things other than humans are legitimate sources of nutrition is all wrong.
hi K24
just a note. The sugars, salts and proteins that you think can be created in a lab are actually extracted from plants and animals. That is where the lab chemicals come from.
No one is going to synthesize materials, which is too expensive, when they are readily available in nature.
John the baptist ate locusts and wild honey and he was a prophet!
Ka4: You, like us live in a “fallen” world that we have inherited from our forefathers. Like it or not, we have to eat to live. Showed we all be vegetarians? Perhaps, but life would be difficult because of the amount of salad and fruit we would need to consume just to survive. The present egotistic system works, but is not perfect. To all of us, this life is temporary. Those who believe in Jesus Christ will inherit life eternal. A whole new world, life the way it was meant to be, from our “creator”. That’s the exciting part. For now, we have to survive and live life to the best of our ability and with God’s help, try to treat all life with care.
Hello Ian, and the others that watch this forum. I would like to define some terms and concepts. When, what you call the Human race finally goes into open space, there will be no animals or plants to rely on for sustenance. It is extremely difficult to replicate the conditions of a gravity held planet in a miniature environment. Forget about eating other living things to survive in space. It will never happen.
The Human body or vessel is a machine. It only needs what you call organic compounds to live and reproduce.
Now to address the main issue Ian introduced: The idea that just because some famous or divine Human being did something makes is OK, is something worthy of further investigation.
As I said before, the Human race should strive to separate itself completely from what you call the evolution cycle. That process has already begun. The Human race is no longer allowing genetic modification by radiation to create so-called super Humans or a master race. Every man and women is a star.
What you call life is rare. Humans only sense what their organic senses can detect. If you could see what is really around you, you would probably go insane. There are so many things you cannot see. A few examples: Invisible gases, gravity waves, cosmic rays, small atomic particles, radio waves etc..
To be continued.
Ka4: John the Baptist was neither famous nor divine. I don’t know who you are, but you claim “ignorance” all you want, but in the end you will be judged along with all unbelievers at the Great White Throne Judgment by non other than the Lord Jesus Christ himself. You best better drop your childish game-playing and find out the truth before it’s too late. The only cosmic future you have has been declared already by the Holy of Holies. All of us are condemned already! The only escape is through Jesus Christ! He has paid the price by dying on the cross. If you realize your fallen state, confess that you have sinned against God and believe in what Jesus has already done (paid the price of your fallen state) then you will have an escape from God’s wrath and the promise of heaven, forever!
hi Ian
ka4 appears to be a new age unbeliever with a positive ideology. Hopefully, the more he comes here and read, the more he will understand salvation.
Hello Ian, you know I could be outside right now looking at the gas giant Jupiter. Hell, it is in perfect position and the sky is somewhat clear. It is hot and the insect parasites are in feeding. I will stay inside tonight. I have been bitten hundreds of times. Perhaps all the insect bites have clouded my thoughts. Maybe that is why I do not fit into your acceptable behavior pattern?
Ian, I love people like you. You have such an absolute belief about everything. I remember a time when a man you know as Galileo had to deal with such personages.
Ian, was there a time in your life when you ever questioned authority? Have you ever used what is called the scientific method to solve a problem?
There is no doubt in my mind that there is a creator. Whatever it’s true nature is, no one really knows. We can only study the scene of the crime and try to interpolate the information.
As I said before, we have limited sensory capabilities. Even with advanced machines and mathematics, we still cannot see the whole picture or package at this time.
The whole package is probably way beyond our ability to comprehend. We have limited brains. Perhaps collectively, we might touch the tip of the iceberg.
Hello Ka4, I am not unlike you. I do use science ever day to solve problems. However, science is simply a means to gain understanding, but it is not the source. You consider yourself to be “thinking outside the box”, but in reality you are spinning a web of self deceit. You will never get the whole picture, not only because of of our inability to comprehend, but our limited ability to submit to the truth. We are all lost traveler’s in a vast ocean without even the basic nautical tools to find our way. You may think you are smart enough to “get there” but in the end your still lost! I suggest you go to the source. He will give you map and help you develop the tools you need to navigate through this life. HE holds the secrets, not science.
Ian, now you are speaking my language, one of many perhaps. You used the term “HE” in your last recorded post. If what you call “HE” is a reference to the original thing that created this baffling reality we live in, I find that interesting. Humans need a male and female to create offspring. One alone cannot accomplish this. Or so it seems? The idea that the creator is a male is carryover from Greek and Roman mythology.
Asexual reproduction
Parthenogenesis is a form of asexual reproduction in which females produce eggs that develop without fertilization. A parthenogenetic offspring is sometimes called a parthenogen. Parthenogenesis is seen to occur naturally in aphids, daphnia, rotifers, and some other invertebrates, as well as in many plants. Komodo dragons and the hammerhead- and blacktip sharks have recently been added to the list of vertebrates—along with several genera of fish, amphibians, and reptiles—that exhibit differing forms of asexual reproduction, including true parthenogenesis, gynogenesis, and hybridogenesis (an incomplete form of parthenogenesis). As with all types of asexual reproduction, there are both costs (low genetic diversity and therefore susceptibility to adverse mutations that might occur) and benefits (reproduction without the need for a male) associated with parthenogenesis.
The offspring of parthenogenesis will be all female if two like chromosomes determine the female sex (such as the XY sex-determination system), but they will be male if two like chromosomes determine the male sex (such as the ZW sex-determination system), because the process involves the inheritance and subsequent duplication of only a single sex chromosome. The offspring may be capable of sexual reproduction, if this mode exists in the species. In many cases, parthenogenesis occurs when one gender (typically the male) is unavailable in the general vicinity. Once males are again available, the parthenogenesis-created females would be capable of mating with the males and creating normal offspring.[4]
Parthenogenesis is distinct from artificial animal cloning, a process where the new organism is necessarily genetically identical to the cell donor. In cloning, the nucleus of a diploid cell from a donor organism is inserted into an enucleated egg cell and the cell is then stimulated to undergo continued mitosis, resulting in an organism that is genetically identical to the donor. Parthenogenesis is different, in that it originates from the genetic material contained within an egg cell. Egg cells may be produced via meiosis or mitosis oogenesis.[5] If by mitosis, the egg that undergoes parthenogenesis can be either haploid or diploid, leading to a number of possible outcomes in terms of the genetic fingerprint of the parthenogen. Whether the parthenogen is haploid or diploid, because meiosis was involved in forming the gamete that subsequently underwent parthenogenesis, incidence of crossing over would effectively create a new genetic fingerprint; this would be of particular importance in the case of a haploid parthenogen, in which crossing over would drastically alter its single chromosome genotype.[clarification needed] Because there are so many variables in parthenogenesis, there is little that can be said for sure unless the specific methods of the particular parthenogenetic tendencies of an organism are known.
A litter of offspring resulting from parthenogenesis may contain genetically unique siblings. In organisms possessing an XY chromosome system, parthenogenic offspring are always female, but they are not necessarily genetically identical to one another or to their mother (some chromosome segments may differ because of meiosis).
Parthenogenesis may be achieved through an artificial process as described below under the discussion of mammals.
Alternation between parthenogenesis and sexual reproduction is called heterogamy. A form of reproduction related to parthenogenesis, but that only requires the presence of sperm that do not fertilize an egg, is known as gynogenesis. In hybridogenesis the sperm fertilizes the egg, but its chromosomes are not carried to subsequent generations.
Most reptiles reproduce sexually, but parthenogenesis has been observed to occur naturally in certain species of whiptails, geckos, rock lizards[1], blindsnakes and Komodo dragons.
Parthenogenesis has been studied extensively in the New Mexico whiptail (genus Cnemidophorus), of which 15 species reproduce exclusively by parthenogenesis. These lizards live in the dry and sometimes harsh climate of the southwestern United States and northern Mexico. All these asexual species appear to have arisen through the hybridization of two or three of the sexual species in the genus leading to polyploid individuals. The mechanism by which the mixing of chromosomes from two or three species can lead to parthenogenetic reproduction is unknown. Because multiple hybridization events can occur, individual parthenogenetic whiptail species can consist of multiple independent asexual lineages. Within lineages, there is very little genetic diversity, but different lineages may have quite different genotypes.
An interesting aspect to reproduction in these asexual lizards is that mating behaviors are still seen, although the populations are all female. One female plays the role played by the male in closely related species, and mounts the female that is about to lay eggs. This behaviour is due to the hormonal cycles of the females, which cause them to behave like males shortly after laying eggs, when levels of progesterone are high, and to take the female role in mating before laying eggs, when estrogen dominates. Lizards who act out the courtship ritual have greater fecundity than those kept in isolation, due to the increase in hormones that accompanies the mounting. So, although the populations lack males, they still require sexual behavioral stimuli for maximum reproductive success.
Recently, the Komodo dragon, which normally reproduces sexually, was found also to be able to reproduce asexually by parthenogenesis.[13][14] Because the genetics of sex determination in Komodo Dragons uses the ZW system (where ZW is female, ZZ is male, and WW is inviable) the offspring of this process will be ZZ (male) or WW (inviable), with no ZW females being born. A case has been documented of a Komodo Dragon switching back to sexual reproduction after a known parthenogenetic event. [15] It has been postulated that this gives an advantage to colonization of islands, where a single female could theoretically have male offspring asexually, then switch to sexual reproduction with them to maintain higher level of genetic diversity than asexual reproduction alone can generate.[15]
Parthenogenesis may also occur naturally when males and females are both present, explaining why the wild Komodo dragon population is approximately 75 percent male.
So what does this mean? It means that scientifically the man you call Jesus Christ could have been born from a virgin.
ka4
You are neglecting the spiritual, creative aspect. If God is really a God, then he can make things happen just by his word, and supersede anything that happens, or does not happen, in nature.
I’ve got news for you, they have tested the blood of Jesus and according to the DNA there is only one human donor – a female (X) chromosome. The fetus was created without a human male.
Hoe’s that for proof!
That’s right, Marianne, All of us including you, Ka4, are subject to this realm. God is not. We do not have much control-we have to be born, in the natural sence, we live and we die. We are governed by the laws of nature. God on the other hand is outside the laws of nature and therefore exercise control of what ever he chooses.
Yes, Marianne and Ian. We are the subjects of this multi dimensional reality. The Grand master only decides to reveal itself when it feels right. We get that about once every thousand years or so. We are valued no more than cows and insects. We do have that incredible language gene. Something that makes us somewhat unique. Some birds have the same gene. We have to dig ourselves out of this pit that was created for us. We have to become the master. We have to master our world and move on to others. We have to show the barbaric thing that created us that we are above it’s nastiness. That we know the difference between good and evil. That is, good means not killing or destroying life forms in order to survive. I stop now.
hi ka4
God shows up much more than you realize, but he only manifests himself to those who belong to him in spirit. It is like any relationship. If there is no relationship, you don’t see the person. If there is one, then you might see them frequently.
That “gene” is much more than language that makes us unique. What about our intellect, emotions and moral drives. God did not put us into the “pit” you describe, we put ourselves into it! What needs to change is your heart toward God and see him in his true light. He is not a Grand Master, but a loving heavenly Father. The problem is not with Him, it is with you.
Hi Ian and Marianne, I remember a day not long ago, when I saw something rather unusual. I was with a friend I no longer have contact with. Our time is so short, it is almost laughable. I saw a spark originate from an ac electrical outlet. It existed for a brief moment then exploded right before my eyes. Then I had dreams of this event. A spark of light. Something briefly revealed itself to me. Of course, as I told you before I have dealt with things as a youngster that are weird and undefined. I tried to find ways to outsmart these things. They tried to take me away to their leader which I perceived as a dictator.
These things are phantoms that look like two eyes with a cloak hanging below them. They come for you when they dam well please. There are usually two of them or more. It is extremely difficult to get away from them. When you have, all is right for a time. Then, when their time is right, they will come and take you away. They scare the hell out of me. I am living on borrowed time. They have left me alone for a time. Yet I know that they will come again and seek to carry me away. To whatever hell they live in.
dear KA
I am really concerned for you. I would like to see someone help you. You do not have to live in fear and dread like this.
Hi Marianne, as a child, I should have died from pneumonia at an early age. My mother is a registered nurse and knew how to keep me alive. I was placed inside an oxygen tent. I remember none of these events. Later in life I had a ruptured and infected appendix that nearly killed me. Again modern medicine to a certain degree repaired me. By the way, they had no antibiotic that could kill the organism that infected my body. After my appendix was removed, I was badly infected. I could not stand straight or walk properly. A doctor from Argentina stabbed me in the side with a scalpel to drain the infection. This worked. I had an open wound for nearly a month.
These events took place over twenty years ago.
I have not seen the bastards I described in the previous post since I was a young child. I do remember taking measures to protect myself. I would go to bed with objects I could use as clubs to defend myself.
I remember that I could see these devils with my eyes shut. So I practiced looking at fixed objects. I was in a bunk bed at the time. I would stare at the bed above me.
Perhaps my phantoms were a figment of feverish child’s imagination? They seemed real to me.
Never the less, they eventually vanished, or gave up?
I saw them.
Whatever the hell these things are, they scared me. I believed they came to take me away somewhere.
Help the Brother Baloch from Evil forces Iran and Pakistan
ka4
You have had traumatic experiences, due to illness when you were young. It seems like your parents were not believers in Jesus, who protects those who commit themselves to him in love.
Since you were outside divine protection, demonic spirits came to haunt you, and hurt you. They have no mercy, and seem to attack the most innocent. They were hoping to possess you. They are predators.
The terror and pain you had as a child was real. This caused you to feel abandoned by God. But it was not God that was abandoning you, but your family, that was not having faith in God, and praying for you. This is not to hurt your family, because they were ignorant, and maybe did not know.
I am glad you came here. Your present and future do not have to be like your past. You can be healed, and you can be safe from spiritual dangers. God loves you. He does not want to see you suffer, but protected. He provided his loving son, Jesus to come, and make a way for us, so we could have everlasting life, and not death and pain.
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please clearly write the meaning of 786, so that everyone can understand with the reference of koran.
hi christopher,
i was wondering what 786 meant also. Maybe someone will answer. Here is some discussion about it, but they use lots of numbers, apparently, including 666 (from other sources).
http://maseeh1.tripod.com/advices7/id152.htm
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Catholics (like me) have long believed that the Pope is for all intents and purposes the human manifestation of Jesus Christ in the flesh. We even call him the “Holy Father” – the name Christ used for his father. Since we already believe him to be Christ, if a future pope should be the Antichrist he will have no trouble convincing 1.2 billion Catholics that he is Christ. Slick, eh?
Here is his official title (in Latin): Vicarivs Filli Dei
Vicar of the Son of God (Means the Substitute for Christ)
Count the (Roman) numbers:
VICARIVS = 111
FILII = 53
DEI = 501
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Total = 666
Cool, right?
And the whole world shall worship the beast.
hi James
I guess there are different sins to pick from if one wants to identify the antichrist. You chose the sabbath worship. Others pick islam because it denies who Jesus is. I think the antichrist will break ALL commandments, and surpass all humanity to create new abominations. So, for each christian, we should just keep our eyes on Jesus, keep the faith, and obey God. BTW, they just chose a leader for the new (global) NWO. I am sure he will fit in someway also.
hi James
I guess there are different sins to pick from if one wants to identify the antichrist. You chose the sabbath worship. Others pick islam because it denies who Jesus is. I think the antichrist will break ALL commandments, and surpass all humanity to create new abominations.
So, for each christian, we should just keep our eyes on Jesus, keep the faith, and obey God. BTW, they just chose a leader for the new (global) NWO. I am sure he will fit in someway also.
Remember – the Antichrist will fool many into thinking he IS Christ. No Muslim leader could ever pull that off. Satan would have to be a fool to try that. He needs a devout Christian leader in order to fool the Christian masses. A Muslim would have no chance.
As for the Sabbath being the identifying commandment, remember that Daniel states that the 5th beast – the Empire whose power and authority was given to it by the 4th beast, (the Roman Empire) is the Holy Roman Empire and that it would think to change laws and times. The papacy removed the second commandment and changed the sabbath time from Saturday to Sunday, so I didn’t choose the commandment, Daniel predicted it. Pretty smart dude.
Read these if somebody really wants to have knowledge about islam:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Scientific-Evidence-of-the-Existence-of-God
http://hubpages.com/hub/Judaism-Christianity-and-Islam-Three-religions-One-message
I was deleting old messages and then looking for a certain bookmark…in fact I went onto another bookmarked site, and suddenly this old site came up. Please refresh my memory. Where and how did I get onto this site? Nice graphics, especially the snow. It is snowing here today. I am sad. Winter soul. Mariel
hi Mariel,
I am not sure how you got here either. If you visited before, you did not leave a comment, so this would be the first time for you.
I like the snow too. I find it soothing.
What is wrong? Why are you sad?
Mohammed is a false Prophet, tricked by a false vision, false angel Gabriel, He is a murderer and a rapist.
Hello, I would just like to add a tiny two cents worth…oh my , what a LOT of stuff here…anyway…here are a few thoughts.
Since the value of money seems to be something which ‘will’ go to ‘hell’ in a hand basket’…as we are rather currently seeing in our world today….there is something I have noted going on with micro chips…and the idea of implanting them into people to FIND THEM…and these chips (which by the way are already in the cell phone) can track you anywhere..and carry your entire history…and also the size of so small now that it can be injected into you….like during a flu shot for example….
Now, let us suppose, someone gets the bright idea, that ANY ONE who owes any money at all…why not inject it into the mass populations who mainly are the ones who carry credit cards? This chip was suggested to be implanted IN THE HAND OR FOREHEAD.(and you can find that in the Science today Magazines)..so that it can be easily read, and even tracked by your satellite systems….!
Talk about a yellow star? At least you could take it off….but a chip? Deactivate it….and the tracking system will know who it was, when, and where…hummmmmm! Since the device was first used in Europe, Italy. Other examples of seeking to place information all on one card, which we also now see this chip in Visa, Master card etc…you are being tracked no matter where you are on the planet….which in the wrong hands…could place all in a very unique position of either being able to do commerce or not…again…very interesting that this technology…along with the idea of implanting this chip into immigrants and so forth…in the US…well, it seems to me rather obvious that the so called ‘mark’, is already taking place!
Also, no one has mentioned that in the middle (sorry forgot the exact date here) 1990’s, Arab nations announce to the world in front of camera’s that they would back Russia and China in a WAR against Israel AND The US – so the world had better watch it…period….this is also recorded in the UN..
Mog and Magog were actual tribes, which spread to Russia, many decedents there are of Arabic in origin. These nations have always also been at odds with the Christian world – or any other faith for that matter.
As for 666, (IF taken as a negative) I had thought the idea also of the sacred numbers of 999 (which were considered also to be holy numbers) would then balance off the negative or satanic influence in our world…for all things have its opposite. I have heard also that the correct number is NOT 666, but rather is 616. However, I do find it very interesting that the 666 is also a sacred one as well. It also is time it takes for the earth to turn on its axis…:) How cool is that one….as a number of man…we are mortal, living on a mortal world. Mans life span is around 61 to 65 years of age, upon average in our early world….I had also looked at the 6month of the 6day of the 06 year to also have meaning…2006 for us was not a good year, nor was 2009 for that matter. 2012 seems to be one ‘looming in the not to far distance etc’ and holds trepidation for many, being connected to the Mayan, Inca and other prophesies not connected with the Bible–which tell of an earth change…however it is also very important to note, Native People DO NOT concidare what the rest of the world is thinking about and END to the earth…very much the opposite…rather that the earth will go through BIRTH PAINS…of CHANGE…and man will have to begin anew…and all must be prepared to live in those difficult times…but, these times are also spoken of with great reverence as a time of great healing for our earth and people on it. So there is another point to make…not all is lost, nor was it intended to be interpreted as such! If we really believe in God…then one knows, God does not leave His children without hope, or without the way OUT of his own destructive actions…after all, He says MAN WILL KNOW who really is in charge…and all men WILL BOW TO HIM….and all Nations will know, they do NOT hold mankind ransomed…at any price or plan. So much for the plan of new world order in mans hands.
I see so many looking for signs and revelation about the history we are currently making on this volatile earth…when there is so much suffering, and little care of the fate of the poor, no matter what the ‘faith’ may be. How sad it is to me…to see such ‘bickering’ when in reality, mankind could turn his attention to actually seeking to make the difference right in their own back yards, rather than just allowing the status q of the big wigs in our governments. .When we value another s child as much as we value our own…we will no longer have nor desire war.
Push comes to shove…and in the end we all die…so what do we learn here then? To hate another because of who believes what of God….and so, children must then be stoned because they are this or that faith…Ireland taught me much while I was growing up in peace in Canada,,,,in seeing such things as who’s God is better…or little black girls just trying to go to school…for education..not for politics and racial hatred issues.
As Humans, I think we still have a very long way to go to have compassion and understanding of who we really are…and sometimes it is wisdom, to BURY the hatchets….and make those plow shears! After all, are not the food banks bankrupt now? Who will lead then in the starvation which is now running ramped…or, when the H5N1 combines with the H1N1 and you have a REAL plague on your hands world wide???? It is said, at least 1/3 or our world population WILL DIE NOT MAYBE DIE, in this outbreak…which is not far off due to the current spread of teh flu today. So much for the worry over who gets what the 666 is about, or anyone wearing a crown, or the horsemen….for many will die for lack…and we will also see, how little man has control over anything at that point won’t we? Indeed, I can hear us all crying..God, my God! How did this happen, and where are you? Yet, it is what we choose to suffer…after all, bullets and gun running is far more important along with illegal drugs than the cure of our most threatening diseases, yes?
In short, man is here for a very tiny visit time…and it is what he leaves behind him for others to either love or hate that matters. What will you leave behind you? Is your footprint to care for another, or is it just about who you can have a ‘license to kill’? I am wondering really why the need mankind has had for all his weapons of fire and brimstone….someone is certainly leading them all down the garden path alright…and it is not the God of Love that is for sure….rather, the Gods of war, hate, destruction, disease, greed, lust, and so on…some kind of list to be proud of…Hitler would be so very pleased at the lot, wouldn’t he!?? Just his kind of crowd, symbols, pride, gangs, drugs, guns etc etc….all that is missing are the camps…oh wait….who needs them when you have killing fields in rice patty’s or deserts, not to mention the blind eyes of the UN Gosh…silly me!!!!
If someone like him comes into power, only who is not mad, but rather very very cunning and oh so very brilliant…heaven help the rest….for he will ‘eat his own young’ to rule over the rest of us…..(metaphor intended). So, if this is the path man insists upon walking….the ripple effect of it will be the blood of millions…and in the end of all the carnage…what will be left of our world….how sad a day indeed…when all it would really have taken was…to throw out the passions to hate another…and look instead for ways to heal each other.
If the Native Nations of our world can seek to do these things for the sake of their children, and the pain of all the suffering of generations…then why can’t the rest of us? But, maybe the rest of us are not as smart or have the desire enough to save the children of tomorrow…I guess we would rather see them with bombs strapped to them…or and AK 47 on their hips….like those in Africa and other nations…(and current computer games in the west seem to train the youth to love war games and carnage, greed and vices)for that is where we are heading…as we play the game of Russian roulette of who can out do whom with what.
OK, so I am no professor, or legal beagle, or any one in particular….but, I am someone who cares when I see our world going to hell, and no one seems to care except to say…”Well, I guess that’s just the way it was written…so, I guess that is what we are going to have….!” Instead of…hey! Who says it HAS TO BE THAT WAY!!! God NEVER DID….only warned what COULD BE IF WE CHOSE THAT PATH…and we have all the power in our hands to see that is does NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY….There can be real peacemakers on our Earth. (you and me!)..but somehow, just mention the word, and they are in with the Devil…whoa!!! How convenient is that one! Thank God no one told that to Mother Teresa (or others who work out there to make a difference)! I am sure she would have died laughing before her time!!
God bless all the Children of the Earth…I hope one day we can come to see that we are ALL related…((oh a small by point here…it seems in the DNA…we really ARE family, and that are nearest relatives the apes have MORE variances than WE DO!!!…gee who knew!??:)) and we really do have more in common than not…now, all we have to do, is learn how to play nice together on this playground…and if we could just GET THAT IDEA….wow….just imagine what ALL OF US COULD accomplish in such a historical time of peace….real peace…..it boggles the mind…yes? What strides could be made if all our resources were put together…working together, building together, healing together….and no one was in lack…nor starving…nor in pain…sigh..OK, Mary Poppins can move over….I am on the wish list!
So, there you are, my two cents worth, and due to inflation is probably around a toonies worth..(the Canadian dollar, you can’t say we don’t have a sense of humor, eh?LOL)
Blessings and love always, praying we can have a Utopia in the Armageddon…(which by the way really means…new beginning, NOT ending!!) Thank God for small mercies, eh??? Gotta love it!:)
Tangski.
Hi Tangski.
You have certainly poured your heart out here. Many serious thoughts to consider. Jesus said that we will be rewarded if we “endure to the end.” This indicates that, not matter what happens, we can make it to the end. So this is our blessed hope.
Tangski,
I just have a quick question about something you mentioned:
I do find it very interesting that the 666 is also a sacred one as well. It also is time it takes for the earth to turn on its axis…:)
As an astronomer this statement peaked my interest so please elaborate on this (or is it a joke I just missed?)
Also, on the 6/6/06, (that was my mom’s last birthday) what events in 06 and 09 stand out as making the years bad? After all, 2008 was the market crash and bank collapse. Have you gone back into history to check the previous centuries to see if there is a provable correlation? That would be interesting if true.
Anyway, I applaud your passion on the topic and hope to hear from you some more.
Jim
Tangski,
Yes, please share some more insight.. 🙂 Because I like to listen by reading and learning..I believe there is whole lot more than an eye meets. Bless your heart for your passion.
Tamera
More evidence that Muslims actually worship the devil:
Walid Shoebat: Islam and Satan – The Most Proud One (1 of 2)
http://amos37.com/2009/11/11/the-most-proud-one/#more-1614
http://66619.org/
YES!!!! QUR’AN IS 666 !!!!
THE QUR’AN IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE BIBLE.. ~
THE QUR’AN COPIED OLD TESTAMENT TORAH AND THE GOSPEL ~
YES THEY WORSHIP THE DEVIL BUT SOME MUSLIMS WHO WERE BRAINWASHED DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT ..DONT KNOW ABOUT IT ~ THEY ARE BLIND AND DEAF AND MUTE!!
ISLAM
IBLIS SATAN LUCIFER ANTICHRIST MORMONS !!!!!
ALL true christian will be on the bible side. they will bless Israel because of Abraham. they will bless Moslem because of the blood shed of JESUS on the cross.
Allah is for the Moslem. Mohamed is the apostle of Allah (his god) but he is not the apostle of Abraham’s God nor Moses’ God nor Peter’s God.
the true christian believe the G-D of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, that His Word became Flesh, Jeshua ha-masiah, who died on the cross but He rose again from the dead and ascend to heaven, sits on the right hand of The Father and will come again on the cloud for His saints, true christian, and will come to the earth to crushed Satan and his followers that have his mark “666”, and send them to hell.
well…. G-D bless you all. Halelu-Yah
Mohamed is not a false prophet nor a murderer nor a rapist.
he is the Great prophet of Allah for the Moslem, but he is not the prophet for the Christian or Jewish. Mohamed just do what is his God wants him to do. A man will be like to whom he worship. If he worshiped JESUS he will be like JESUS, if he worship Allah he will be like Allah, if worshiped money he will be like money
please do not abuse other people’s beliefs, they will reap what they shew.
if you were a christian, be a good christian and let others see JESUS in your life.
well…, G-D bless you all. Halelu-Yah
Dude,
You can’t take our blogs personally. We believe in the bible just as you believe in the Koran. The problem is that the two books and religions are at odds with one another.
The Koran is supposed to be based on the Torah and the New Testament but they don’t agree, so someone is right and someone is wrong. Naturally we Christians believe that Mohammed was wrong. The rest we get from history books, Islamic in origin mostly. Your hero is our villain. Sorry but God wrote our book and we must believe him. At least we don’t want to kill unbelievers, so we’ve got that on you.
But in any case good luck with the second coming.
And oh yes, I don’t believe the 666 is Muslim crap. It’s a Christian thing.
hi el-rapha
Thank you for giving comments. All views are welcome here. We look at different interpretations of everything here, so you will find debate on issues.
hi el-rapha
Thank you for giving comments. All views are welcome here. We look at different interpretations of everything here, so you will find debate on issues.
God bless you also.
james giordano,
i’m not a moslem, i don’t believe in koran.
i’m a christian, lived in the biggest moslem country in the world.
i just respect all the moslem’s beliefs.
i said: mohammed is not a false prophet because he is not a prophet at all in my christian term, but he is still the great prophet for the moslem. he was not a murderer in common term, but (in their term) he killed because of his god: Allah, command, he was not a rapist , he did it (married for a nine years old girl) because of his god’s command.
when i met a moslem, i’ll try to tell them abaout the good news, Yeshua ha-massiah, the Word became flesh. but i won’t abuse or under estimate their beliefs.
i hate what they did in my country, but i prayed for them that they will meet Yeshua in many way, and if you would believe that many-many moslem in my country have met Yeshua through dreams, visions and miracle.
so… do you understand what i said??
G-D bless you, Halelu-YAH
Did you see in injil jesus say = i am is god
dear sdfsdf
No, Jesus does not say that. He say God is his father.
666 is the triple emphasis of 6. the number of humanity. 7 is the full number of God. The 3 sixes is a way of representing the apex of 6…super-six. Doesn’t John say anti-christ is a spirit, the spirit which returns throughout time denying the incarnation?
hi deanna
John gave us much to think about, I am sure there are many levels to this 666.
yes the koran is right.the number 666 is the mark of the beast…
there are 36 numbers between heaven and earth….1+2+3+4+5+6….+32+33+34+35+36=666
The Koran is a book of sayings from a mad man named Mohammad, who murder, and raped most of his adult life. He neve rode a winged horse for the Temple mount, and the spirt he talked to was Lucifer.
What does Islam bring to the world? Death, and destruction. Allah is nothing but a false god called Sin. Look it up.
SURELY THE WORLD WILL REJECT THE TRUTH FOR THEY HAVE EYES BUT CANNOT SEE,THEY HAVE EARS THEY CANNOT HEAR,THEY HAVE A MIND THEY CANNOT REASON,HELL WILL BE THEIR LOT,THERE IS NO EASY PATH THAT LEADS TO GOD YOU EITHER CHOOSE THE WIDE PATH OR THE NARROW PATH,BELIEVE IN GOD ONLY HIM HE HAS NO PARTNER NOR SON THE MESSAGE ALL THE PROPHETS HAS PREACHED ABOUT THAT YOU AND YOUR ANCESTORS REJECTED THEM,PRAY 5 TIMES A DAY YOU CANT BECAUSE YOU ARE LAZY YOU ONLY HAVE TIME FOR THIS WORLD AND ITS ONTENTS NONE FOR THE HEARAFTER SINCE YOU ARE ONE EYED,FAST IN THE HOLY MONTH,YOUR LOVE FOR GLUTONY WILL NOT ALLOW YOU OBEY GOD,GIVE CHARITY,YOUR MATERIALISTIC AND CAPITALIST TENDENCIES MADE YOU A MISER.TRUTH AND FALSEHOOD CANNOT CO EXIST,WHO IS THE REAL AUTHOR OF MOST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT? BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BUT DEEP DOWN YOU FEEL DOUBTS WHEN THE MESSAGE OF JESUS IS CONTRADICTRY TO THAT OF PAUL.INDEED MANY SHALL BE CALLED BUT FEW SHALL BE CHOOSEN.BEWARE OF THE ANTI CHRIST FOR HE IS AGAINST JESUS,MOHAMMED AND THE RELIGION OF PEACE SENT BY GOD AND HAS BEEN PRACTICED BY ALL PROPHETS OF GOD.
Religion of peace my butt! “FOR THEY HAVE EYES BUT CANNOT SEE, THEY HAVE EARS THEY CANNOT HEAR” That is stolen words from Christ.
You, moon god worshiper, have denied the word of G-d has been sent to earth to defeat death, and you choose to follow a mad man named Mohammad who murdered, and raped.
Good luck to you.
JESUS PEACE AND BLESSINGS OF GOD BE ON HIM IS OF ISLAM,HIS WORDS ARE FROM GOD FOR HE CANNOT DO ANYTHING EXCEPT WITH THE POWER OF GOD,FROM YOUR LANGUAGE IT IS CLEAR YOU ARE NOT OF THE REAL JESUS THAT CAME TO PREACH NOT OF HIS WILL BUT WHAT GOD COMMANDED “my butt,stolen,you moon god worshiper,mad man,who murdered and raped”This are not signs of a man of GOD,I ACCEPT WE AS HUMAN BEINGS ARE PRONE TO SIN,so judge not Muslims you know by their actions but by What the religion preaches for their are as in christanity many muslims that do not adhere to the true teachings of Islam.So Ignorance of the Knowledge of ISLAM is no excuse for you to use ypur tongue towards doom,SEEK TO KNOW WITH AN UNBIASED MIND WHAT ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT,AND REASEARCH FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES HISTORICAL TRUTHS AS IT RELATES TO CONSTANTINE MANIPULATION AND BURNING OF THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPS OF THE BIBLE PAVING THE WAY FOR THE MAN ADJUSTED AND EDITED BIBLE YOU RELY ON TODAY.TRAVEL TO ISREAL AND SEEK THE TRUTH ABOUTH SOME OF THE REMNANTS OF THE ORIGINAL BIBLE AND WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT MOHAMMED(THE COUNCELLOR/SPIRIT OF TRUTH) It’s Never too late to REPENT as long as you are still alive.JESUS NEVER DIED ON THE CROSS HE WAS TAKE TO HEAVEN IN FULL GLARE OF MANY AND HE WILL BE BACK SOON TO KILL THE ANTI CHRIST,RID THE DECEPTION IN MODERN DAY CHRISTIANITY AND ESTABLISH ISLAM ALL OVER THE WORLD.WISH U PEACE AND MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU AND SHOW YOU THE WAY.
dear akanbi
I know it is your tradition to believe that Jesus did not die. But he really did. There were witnesses, and the Roman execution records confirm it.
Jesus voluntarily gave us his life as a punishment for the sins of mankind. He died, then he rose from the dead. After that he ascended into heaven, and sent the holy spirit.
The holy spirit is the comforter, because Jesus told his friends to go hide and wait for the comforter. They waited 50 days, and the holy spriit came on Pentecost. There was no way Jesus expected them to hide and wait, and live 500 more years for Muhammed to come. No one lives that long.
I hope you can understand this.
dear akanbi
I know it is your tradition to believe that Jesus did not die. But he really did. There were witnesses, and the Roman execution records confirm it.
Jesus voluntarily gave us his life as a punishment for the sins of mankind. He died, then he rose from the dead. After that he ascended into heaven, and sent the holy spirit.
The holy spirit is the comforter, because Jesus told his friends to go hide and wait for the comforter. They waited 50 days, and the holy spriit came on Pentecost. There was no way Jesus expected them to hide and wait, and live 500 more years for Muhammad to come. No one lives that long.
I hope you can understand this.
Allah, Sin, and Hubal are all names for the false moon god Mohammad’s family worshiped. One of 360 false gods at the Kaaba. Allah, means the god is greastest of all the others. Others? Yes, all the others at the Kabba, or zero point.
Mohammad, in a correct history book, murdered a lot of people, a whole tribe of Jews, enslaved the women, and raped his slaves. He also married a 6 year old girl, and raped her at 9. Mohammad never rode a winged horse, they do not exist…
Moon god worshiper? Indeed!
The Jesus in the Koran, is not the Jesus in the Holy Bible. The Jesus you write of never died on a cross for human sin.
BTW, do you know of any terror attacks planned in Europe, or America?
what a load of bull#@#
leatherneck…….how stubborn will you be to not accept the truth
dear true believer
I would say most of us here on this site are civilians.
Many civilians – both muslim and christian- have not had direct conflicts with the other religion. So their comments are mostly mild.
Leatherneck is military and has had Muslims shoot at him, so his answers will be more focused and intense than what a civilian would give.
What part is not correct history?
tat u saud
Again, what part of history is not correct. Look it up yourself.
Allah, Azathoth, and Yogsothoth are all names for the false moon god Bophammad’s family worshiped. One of 360 false gods at the Kaaba. Allah, means the god is greastest of all the others. Others? Yes, all the others at the Kabba, or zero point.
Bophammad, in a correct history book, murdered a lot of people, a whole tribe of Jews, enslaved the women, and raped his slaves. He also married a 6 year old girl, and raped her at 9. Bophammad never rode a winged horse, they do not exist…he rode Shubniggurath instead…
Moon god worshiper? Indeed!
The Jesus in the Koran, is not the Jesus in the Holy Bible. The Jesus you write of never died on a cross for human sin.
BTW, do you know of any terror attacks planned in Europe, or America?
I have often thought of the badges worn around the arms of Hitler’s army. When watching your video with Walid Shoebat, he mentioned this as he saw it as well in the movie Kingdom of Heaven. And evidently, the terrorists will also wear a “badge”/”mark” in honor of and/or statement of servitude.
Matthew 10:26 “So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known…..28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mark 4:22For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open.
Luke 8:17 For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
Walid describes what he found when he read the bible about 666
The Bible is correct of course. And the moslims cannot have understanding of the Word through the Holy Spirit. ‘6’ days are the time of man…’7′ is God’s. ‘6’ represents the ‘earthy’ ‘fleshy’.’time of man’..finally represented by 10 toes half iron half miry clay..’…fulfillment of all things earthy…Satan. 666 represents Satan’s final surge in attempting to be the god of all things….not wanting to be ‘like’ God…but wanting to ‘devour’ all rule but his own. During this final surge he will do all in his arsenal to replicate or make mockery of all things related to God. 666 is his replication of the Holy Trinity (777..so to speak). But he is fully earthy…not of the heavenly…imprisoned within the ‘6’ representing man’s domain. UNHOLY Father/6, UNHOLY Son/Antichrist/6, UNHOLY Spirit/6. And none of it matters. It’s all on God’s radar.lol…all going according to plan with God ‘letting’ for a time.
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this is true lying right on muslim noses, it is fake a writer without knowledege and intelligence, islam never worship 666 or called it a saint number in fact in islam all number are same no bad and no benefit of it, this article is lie,
Tom
How many times have muslims lied in the name of Allah? How many treaties of peace have they made with Israel only to break them? Its rather funny how the ones guilty of violating the law are always the ones accusing others of injustice and condemning them.
When satan is thrown down to earth, he will no longer be able to make accusations before G-d. Truth will finally be allowed to shine its light in a dark world, and “The Way” will reveal himself.
Will you accept the mark of the beast or will you repent and follow Christ? One choice only leads to death and Hades, the other to salvation.
I posted a video “9/11 and the Christmas War” with this same 666 in Arabic on:
In reply to Tom:
I know this copy/paste is long, but it’s very positve and negative things are always being emphasized about the conflict between Jew and Arab.
Will there be a solution someday? I like the way this writer summed it up.
Does the Bible teach that as the descendants of Ishmael, the Arabs are sworn enemies of the Jews?
Unfortunately, when evangelical Christians view the hostility between Arabs and Jews in the Middle East, many fatalistically shrug their shoulders and say, “The situation is hopeless. The Bible says that the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac will always hate each other.”
The Bible does not support this despairing and fatalistic perspective regarding the hostility between Arabs and Jews. Those who take this fatalistic view might be inadvertently supporting the continuation of Middle East conflict.
It is true that there is a genuine sense in which we can compare the hostility of modern Israel and the Arab/Muslim world as a “conflict between Isaac and Ishmael.” However, the basis of this hostility of Arabs and Jews towards each other isn’t genetic, but religious. Passages that are misunderstood to imply physical/genetic basis for their hostility are Genesis 16:12 and 25:18.
“He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers” (Genesis 16:12 NIV).
“His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur. And they lived in hostility toward all their brothers” (Genesis 25:18).
But there are serious problems involved with identifying today’s Arabic-speaking people as “descendants of Ishmael,” or today’s Jews with “all their brothers.”
First, there is considerable confusion regarding the meaning of the term “Arab.” Arabs are generally considered to be people who speak Arabic as their native tongue. But the vast majority of Arabic-speaking people today speak Arabic as the result of the Islamic conquests of the seventh century. This vast group of Arabs comes from a wide variety of racial and ethnic backgrounds. Consequently, the ancient hostility that existed between the physical descendants of Ishmael and Isaac (approximately 1900 BC) has been diluted by centuries of intermarriage, exile, migration, and conquest.
Obviously, only a tiny portion of Arabs are physically descended from Ishmael. There is no physical basis for referring to the conflict between modern Israel and the modern Arab/Muslim world as a conflict between Isaac and Ishmael. However, while there is no physical basis for viewing it as a conflict between Isaac and Ishmael, there is a symbolic basis.
Ultra-Orthodox Jews tend to describe their modern opponents in biblical terms. They refer to them as “Amalek,” and they have referred to other enemies/competitors in other places with the same term.
Arabic-speaking Muslims, for their part, often claim to be the spiritual sons of Abraham through Ishmael by way of Mohammed. The Quran differs from the Bible in its description of the relationship of Abraham to Ishmael, claiming that the Hebrew Bible was corrupted to conceal the fact that Moses and key patriarchs were actually Muslims.1 This view of themselves as the genuine spiritual descendants of Abraham through Ishmael and Mohammed reinforces other passages in the Quran that are hostile toward Jews, thus nurturing the stereotypes.
Most likely, had the Quran never been written by Mohammed and the Islamic conquest never occurred, this stereotype of a struggle between the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac would never have developed to the degree it has.
However, this symbolism of hostility between Arabs and Jews is based on the misapplication or denial of scriptural authority. Fundamentalist Israelis who view modern-day adversaries as “Ishmael” or “Amalek” are applying the names of another age to people who are opposing them because of political conflicts rather than the mere fact that they are Jews. Similarly, Muslims that view themselves as the spiritual descendants of Ishmael are basing it on the Quran rather than the Bible.
From a Christian perspective, in a spiritual sense Ishmael (the Muslims) and Isaac (the Jews) are carrying on a conflict with each other in the same destructive spirit of competition, jealously, and hostility as did Ishmael and Isaac in the Bible. Ironically, although both groups claim to be the rightful heirs of Abraham on religious grounds, they both have rejected the true Seed of Abraham. In fact, Paul makes it clear that Jews who reject Jesus Christ are spiritually the sons of Hagar.
“Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: ‘Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.’ Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? ‘Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son’ ” (Galatians 4:21-30).
Israel had always believed that her ultimate blessing would appear in the person of Messiah, and yet she rejected Him.
“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say ‘and to seeds,’ meaning many people, but ‘and to your seed,’ meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in His grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator” (Galatians 3:16-19).
From a biblical perspective, therefore, the hatred of Muslims and Jews for each other is not based on some kind of inevitable “genetic curse” that forever brings them in conflict, but because of their mutual rejection of the true “Seed of Abraham” in deference to their own flawed religious claims.
The fighting between “Isaac” and “Ishmael” is not inevitable, but will cease when Muslims and Jews understand who Jesus Christ is, and accept His authority.
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:28-29).
1. Traditionally, Muslims believe that it was Ishmael rather than Isaac whom Ibrahim was told to sacrifice. In support of this, Muslims note that the text of Genesis, despite specifying Isaac, appears to state that Ibrahim was told to sacrifice his only son (“Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, Isaac” Genesis/Bereshit 22:2) to God. Since Isaac was Ibrahim’s second son, it is arguable there was no time at which he would have been Ibrahim’s “only son,” and that this supports the Muslim belief that there was an original text that must have named Ishmael rather than Isaac as the intended sacrifice. The Qur’an itself does not specify by name which son Ibrahim nearly sacrificed saying only that it was his only son (Qur’an 37:99–111). Isaac (Ishaq in Islam) is also considered a prophet in Islam.
Muslims believe Ibrahim’s dream was a test from God. When Ibrahim told his dream to Ismail, it was Ismail who convinced Ibrahim to fulfill God’s order. So this was a test for both Ibrahim, who had longed for a son for such a long time, and for Ismail. Shaytaan (the devil Satan) appeared before Ibrahim and Ismail to try and deceive them. Ibrahim and Ismail threw stones at Shaytaan as a response. This is commemorated during the jumrah, one of the rites undertaken by Muslims making the required pilgrimage to Mecca. As Shaytaan had failed to deceive Ibrahim and Ismail, he went to Ibrahim’s wife, and mother of Ismail, Hajar. When he told her what had happened she did not believe him, but when he told her that Ibrahim believed he was carrying out God’s will, Hajar said: “If it is God’s will, let what God wills be done.” Their faith had overcome Shaytaan and in the end, God stopped Ibrahim and give him a sheep to slaughter instead.
The entire episode of the sacrifice is regarded as a trial that Ibrahim had to face from God. It is celebrated by Muslims on the day of Eid ul-Adha. (from Wikipedia) Back To Article
Muslims also state Abraham was in Mecca building the Kabba. That is just another of the many lies within Islam.
It is Ishmael, Essua, and their decendents that really hate Israel. All others are just of the world, and hate morality which G-d gave Moses.
I always forget the link. I don’t want anyone to think I’m plagarizing.
http://www.rbc.org/questionsDetail.aspx?id=54226
Leatherneck;
Hate is such a strong word. Remember this is the Muslim’s social world as well as religious. They are born into it, just like Mormonism and Catholicism. They will pay a heavy price, maybe even their life to believe differently. They don’t have the freedom we do here and we might not have that for very much longer. Are we as Americans put in that position? Sometimes I have used words like stupid and demonic that aren’t very academic. I’m not going to persuade anyone to believe the way I do using those words. Isn’t that what we want, others to listen to us? That’s what I was trying to do in my post, use the Word of God and the love of God. God is so patient with all of us. Even the Muslims.
I know you are trying to be nice, and have folks that do not believe as you to hear you. It will not happen with the line of Ishmael, and Essua.
Genesis 16:12
“He (Ishmael) will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brouthers.”
Essua married into Ishmael’s family line. Their hearts have a supernatural hate.
Good luck, and don’t be mislead with their pagan religion, and political system of lies, hate, and murder. Islam is of Lucifer, and this world. Notice how Islam handled the four Americans handing out Bibles off the coast of Africa.
Leatherneck – you are right, Ishmael will always be at odds with Isaac, but Kitti rounds out that statment, by saying it is not about genes, but about rejecting the promise, and thus being “a child of the slave”. Especially, when you consider Paul clearly telling us that “there is no Jew or Greek… in Christ”.
You look and Caan and Abel – this was the beginning of religion – man’s attempt to qualify himself to God by what he thought best, versus, trusting God’s way of doing things (an innocent must be sacrificed to pay for man’s sins). While these things that happened were literal events in history, they also show what is happening in the spiritual world.
The Jews as a people reject the Messiah, and the propitiation for sins through Jesus. They, in this regard, are in the same class as the Muslims.
Someone else made the point that just because the Bible says – “Look, this is how things are going to play out”, doesn’t mean that is the way things SHOULD play out, it is merely saying – “See what happens when man is in opposition to God and does things his way”.
One must not be fatalistic – one must still remember that at the end of the Book, Christ, good, God, win! We really need to up our efforts to spread the Love of God (the Gospel), so that as many as possible will be saved.
G-d did not tell Cain, and Abel an innocent must be sacrificed. The reason Cain’s sacrifice was not accepted was due to Cain’s attitude with the sacrifice.
Jews follow Noah, Abraham, and Moses. Muslims follow Muhammad who murdered, and raped. Plus, the Jews worship the Creator. Islam worships the god Sin, also known as the moon god.
They are not the same, and one of the reasons Muslims will murder Jewish children in their beds.
If G-d has moved you to spread his message inside the house of peace, you might want to make your will before you go. G-d would not want you to be stupid.
All through the Old Testament, God required an innocent animal to be sacrificed – this was a symbol of Christ, innocent of any sin, dying for us. But Cain wanted his efforts to be considered an acceptable sacrifice, like many people today. This is why his sacrifice was unacceptable – he wanted it to be on his own terms.
As far as the salvation, God doesn’t care about race, if you believe in his Son Jesus, you will be saved (and I don’t mean just acknowledge him, like the Muslims say they do).
And modern-day Jews reject the Messiah – the only way to God.
There are many who call themselves Jews that murder Muslim, or Arab children in their beds, as well. Don’t kid yourself about this.
There are many Muslims turning to Christ, and those who lead them are not being killed. But I agree with you that there are many murders and persecution by Muslims towards Christians. There is also intense persecution in Jewish run areas against Christians, as well. Non-messianic Jews hate Christians and consider Jesus an imposter and one to be despised.
I still stand by what I said in my last comment.
murny
Jews do not murder Muslim or Arab children in their beds. That is a bunch of crap. They are not on the same demonic level as Muslims in their fighting.
There was a recent news story how Muslims came in and murdered an entire Jewish family in their beds, including a baby. So you got the story backwards.
Muslims sacrifice their children and the children of others. Jews protect their children, and consider them a blessing. If you see any dead Muslim children, Muslims did it.
Also, the intense history of persecution among Jews and Christians is due to the guilt of the Christians. They have killed in the name of Jesus at times. The Jews were the victims.
Obviously, the Jews do not like the Christians for that, and are suspicious of them. But that has changed greatly, as evangelical Christians have stood by the Jews, and have helped, rather than persecute, them.
Oh, so now I see what this site is all about.
I totally agree with you about the 666 thing, but your obvious bias regarding Jews makes it apparent what your views are.
No matter what race or religious affiliation, evil is done by some who falsely carry ANY banner, and that includes Jews.
I will not argue the point with you – it is obvious you have made up your mind. Just quote someone you seem to stand behind.
“There are some who call themselves Jews, but are of the synagogue of Satan” Jesus of Nazareth.
Why are you getting so angry? You are welcome to post what you believe to be true. I would help defend your right to do so.
We agree on most everything you have posted. Most of us are unaware of any Jews murdering Muslim children. If you can post a correct news source, I will read it.
I do not think anyone is writing Jews are perfect, and Muslims are not. It is deeper than that. Jews want peace, Islam is at war with the world.
The Islamic Jesus they believe in was never murdered on a cross. The Jews do not argue the fact.
All I was writing was Cain, and Abel were never told what to bring to the Lord. Yes, thoughout the Bible I agree a perfect animal was used in place of the Christ who would come.
Pure, and utter bullsh*t.
I guess we all have our opinions.
for sure QURAN is correct as this is in its original form and in the very same QURAN , ALLAH said that to preserve and to mantain the QURAN in its ORIGINAL form is the duty of ALLAH . so no one could do any thing wrong with it . no one could CHANGE in it any thing while in bible there are already 2 testaments !!!!! so which one to blv ??
Muhammad could not read, or write, and the god, or Allah is the moon god Sin who can not hear, or see.
Allah Akbar means the god is greatest. The god is greatest of what? The god is greatest of all other gods at the Kabba, or zero point. A place where Abraham never stepped foot on.
How many gods were at the Kabba when Muhammad was growing up? Who is Muhammad’s Uncle named after?
hi Nadeem
I think you have been taught these artificial questions and answers about the bible.
The 2 testaments are not two versions that contradict each other.
The new testament is a continuation of the old testament. It has new information given by Jesus.
Jesus came to fulfill the old testament in his work. Everything he did agreed with what had already been written.
So, you can think of the old testament as Part One of a story, and the new testament as Part Two.
One big problem I have with the Quran is all the changes that were made by Mohammed himself. First he says the Torah (Old Testament) and the Gospel (New Testament) were true and faithful books (his main wife was catholic). Later, after misquoting the Old Testament and getting many of the biblical stories wrong (for example he thought that Miriam, the sister of Moses) was also Mary, the mother of Jesus) and after the local Jews who were reading the Torah to him got wind that he was calling himself a prophet began feeding him made up stories, quoted Suras that contradicted previous ones. For these he devised a system of hhierarchy where newer suras would supersede previous ones so he could make any changes he wanted.
If you recall the “satanic Verses” he decided to include several other Arabic gods which were still very popular in order to bring in more followers (and collect more tithes), his more devout believers created an uproar and he was forced to redact those verses claiming that it was Satan rather than Gabriel who gave him the verses.
And it was no coincidence that after he discovered that the Jews were feeding him disinformation that he received the Suras that called for the complete destruction of the Jews, after which he and his army attacked a Jewish village and beheaded every male and took the women to sell as slaves. Not exactly the humanitarian you would expect God to work thru. Satan maybe, but not God.
Sorry, but I don’t trust the man and I don’t trust his book.
A very interesting and resourceful site!!! BY the language used by each guest we can already pin point who is godly and who is not. We are to identify a person by his fruits right and so be it. Thanks Marianne may God bless you!
this site is educational to those who are searching for the truth…it enlightens me…in searching knowledge.
Hey people, I’m an 18 years old boy with questions. I’m searching my butt of since the age of ,lets say 12, to find the true religion to hold on to, and to dedicate my life to. But tell me, how can a supreme being like Allah, or God, or whatever, expect from a human, to find the truth, in a world with hundreds of religions, books, stories, whatever? How can we find the truth if everything that we read and listen to is bashed by somebody who claims their religion is the truth? And you will probably say ”Yeah, but thats the test, test the freaking test” How am I in freaks name possible of finding the truth in a world like this? How can God expect us to dedicate our life to him in circumstances like this. Its impossible. Its an neverending story. And I’m sure that no crime in the world is worse enough to deliver you a ETERNITY, listen well, an ETERNITY in hell. Not even the most evil being on this planet deserves that. I don’t know what the hell to believe anymore. I’m beginning to believe that their really is nothing. That death means the end. Because tell me, if you look deep in to your heart, and be honest to yourself, does this all makes any sense? And tell me, is it fair, that a human who does not believe in something that he has never seen, never had ANY form or proof of, only theories, deserves to BURN in hell, even if that person was a good person all his life? I think the reason of life, is much, much different from what you guys think. And another question, if a person is mentally ill, has a disorder in his brains, that makes it impossible for him to find the truth, will he also burn in hell? Do you believe God or Allah will give life to someone if that person is already doomed? And how is a human capable of behaving himself, and act completely sane all his life. That is not in our nature. If there is a God, which I actually do believe deep down inside, despite the fact of what I just wrote, then I don’t think he is the way you people claim him to be. I think he judges you by the choices you make, the love you give, I don’t think he bothers when you watch porn, or drink beer sometimes. He knew we’d be the way we are. Couse after all, he made us. We are his creation, he created the universe and every living being. And while writing this, I’m asking myself, does this makes sense? I’m just too damn confused, and that not because I’m only eighteen. And I know, their are so many theories, like the Illuminati etc. etc. etc., which makes it all even harder. Its an impossible task. You know what I think? I think everyone should just enjoy their lives, get the best out of it, give love, be good, and work hard. And not because you’re religion tells you to do so. But because it feels good to me. Cause be honest, if there was undeniable proof that there was no true religion ( I know you can’t proof but just imagine) that dead means the end, would you still be the person you are today? Would the pope, or sadam or bin laden, or a priest, or all the members of Al-Quida still be the way they are? I think you now the answer to that one. Life is too damn beautiful, although that doesn’t count for millions of people around the globe, to bother your whole life about what to believe.
Before I end my endless blabbering, I want you to (If you’re planning on replying) to come with logical explanations, and do not just try to convince to convert in to whatever you believe, don’t come with theories which are meant to get me into your religion. Just say something that makes sense. Not something that is literally completely based on a book, or whatever. There have been kazillions of books written in the history of the freaking world. How can you expect me, to just blindly believe just one of them books? In which they claim to live in fish, or too create an entire universe, but in the end just focusing on one tiny planet among BILLIONS OF ZILLIONS of others. Where is the sense in creating such a ridiculously big universe when the only thing that bothers in the end is the Earth?
Its like a puzzle that can’t be solved, because when you think you completed just only one piece of the puzzle, you come to the conclusion that your still missing an eternal amount of pieces.
Life, is weird, and thats the end of my story (Haha, well it was actually a huge amount of random thoughts, and questions in my head)
Thanks so much for reading.
hi gabriel
I admire you for being so diligent in establishing standards to assure that truth is given you. An you are so young also. Many people older than you will accept things without trying to understand them, but you want to understand what you believe.
We have a physical world and a spiritual world.
The rules for the physical do not always apply to the spiritual. It is a different dimension and the rules can be vastly different.
I am a scientist myself, and in the physical world, I always want proof to convince me that what I see or hear is real. I can measure and test my theory and see if it is true. Sometimes this takes a long time, because I get results I was not expecting. Then I have to take the surprise data into consideration and re-form my theory to include what I discovered in experimentation and measurements.
in the spiritual world, however, the proofs are of a different kind than I what I am used to.
I cannot always test and measure what is there. The spiritual world is limitless, and it cannot be measured or tested accurately.
God gave us free will and a mind to use to seek him.
This is important because we would otherwise just be robots in his service, and that is not what he wants.
What he wants is a personal relationship with him.
While other religions may seem to have good ethics or values taught, they lack this aspect that Christianity offers.
This is why Jesus came to earth, to teach us of the Father God, and his love and willingness to forgive if we repent. Jesus also took our punishment for our wrongdoings, so that we would not have to suffer eternal punishment later. This was a tremendous act of love. so if we accept what he did for us, appreciate and love him back, then hell is cancelled, and our eternal destiny is assured.
There is a deeper aspect to this. While we can read the bible and learn, it takes the presence of the holy spirit in us to properly interpret what is there. There is the literal level, but the spiritual meanings are more important. Once the spirit is with us, the words take on new meanings that we understand in our own spirit, but others don’t understand that lack the holy spirit.
In this sort of “system,” you need to start out with some level of faith to get started. Then ask the holy spirit to lead you in understanding what you think and read. There will also be a time when you will sense the presence of Jesus and you can respond at that time. God knows when it is the right time for each of us. When you are ready, the holy spirit will move you, and you will feel inspired in a way I cannot explain yet.
This is a personal experience, and it is meant to be that way. I hope you get this kind of experience soon. Understanding and logic will line up with experience once you have it.
Hi Gabriel,
I have some good news for you, and some other news.
I am a retired engineer with a minor in geology and earth sciences, so when I approached the bible I did so with a skeptical mind. I wanted proof that the words were true. Fortunately, God knew that might be a problem so He filled ⅓ the bible with prophecy, and not just end-time prophecy that no-one can prove yet. There are over 1500 prophecies that have already come true, many in the last 60 years. I once computed the odds of less than 20 prophecies in the Book of Revelation that have been fulfilled and it came to over 20,000,000,000,000 to 1. I stopped counting at that point since the mathematician in me was already convinced. Had I continued for all 1,500i my calculator would have exploded. The book can’t be based on luck. I am now convinced that the rest of the prophecy will also come true including the second coming of Jesus Christ and His 1000 year reign as King of Kings.
I have also researched many bible stories and discovered that they have found the site of the parting of the Red Sea including 17th dynasty Egyptian chariot wheels on the sea floor. Also they have found a large wooden boat at the 11,000 foot level near Mount Ararat in Turkey. The Turkish government has declared it to be Noah’s Ark, and it is the exact dimensions as described in Genesis. Also the city of Sodom has been found – streets, Walls and buildings turned to white ash, with 2” balls of 98% pure sulphur (brimstone) embedded throughout the ruins.
They have found Mount Sinai where Moses received the Ten Commandments, with a giant rock near the top that was split with evidence of water erosion coming from the base of the rock, but it is way above the local water table so the spring is completely unnatural.
And not too long ago an archaeologist in Jerusalem found an underground chamber containing the actual Ark of the Covenant with the 10 commandment tablets and the staff of Aaron inside. He also collected a blood sample from the lid that dripped down from a crack in the ceiling. Above it on the surface he found the crack to be coming from an ancient Roman square hole used for crucifixions. He had the blood analyzed to see if it might be the actual blood of Christ and DNA tests showed it was Male, with only the chromosomes from one donor – Female. The owner had no human father.
The man died without discovering the tunnel it was brought in from but his wife and kids have found it and are digging toward it (called Jeremiah’s Grotto) as I speak. I’m sure it will be revealed in God’s own time sometime before the second coming.
Study these things and perhaps you will become as convinced as I am.
But there is more good news. As the end-time prophecies unfold it will become clear to the entire world who the real God is and everyone will be given the chance to become a believer and to be saved. It will be your choice.
More good news… don’t worry about hell – you were right – no loving God would create such a place. Ask any Jew if there is a hell and he will say NO. It was never part of their beliefs and Jesus did not teach it. It was an invention of the medieval church along with purgatory so they could sell indulgences to raise money to build their cathedrals.
There is only eternal life and eternal death, except for Satan and his pals.
Now, you are young and will be alive at the second coming and for the great tribulation which will precede it. Check out our blogs on Revelation and end-time prophecies and you will be able to check out the various interpretations and hopefully get close to the truth.
Study all the theories and wait and watch. Don’t count on the illuminti or the Bilderbergs to create a New World Order and to put a chip into eveyones right hand. You may have to wait forever. Understand all the options and be ready for one or the other to unfold. When you see these thins come to pass, get ready. Make you choice between Allah, Jesus or Krishna based on what you are seeing. This applies to all people, including devout Christians. Those who hold to false prophesies will be lost, as will those who hold to false gods.
Atheists will get what they expect – death, then nothing. Wonder how many will change their minds when the discover God is real.
Anyway, good luck in your quest for truth. But fear not, if you don’t find it… it will find you.
God bless.
James, also thank you for replying on my story.
I will say now without knowing you, or without being related to you in any way. I Love You, haha. The examples you gave me, where absolutely mind blowing. Although I have not researched it yet, I will, and I believe that you are speaking the truth here. Thank you for sharing your wonderful knowledge with me. If you wanna see whats my perspective on things nowadays, (altough I wrote that shit yesterday, haha) look at my reply on mariannes message. Thank you so much, and God bless you.
Dear James,
I enjoyed reading your comments quite a bit. Thank you.
I was wondering if you could list a few of the prophecies that you believe have been fulfilled in the last 60 years. Of course not all 1500 but perhaps just the highlights.
Many thanks.
With respects,
Abel
I saw a great lecture on 25 fulfilled prophecies about modern israel several years ago and while I’ve lost track of most of them there is a great example that you can verify on line.
It was prophesied by Ezekiel that after Israel would become a nation again after the great gathering of dispersed Jews from around the world (1948) that God would bless the land and make it a fruitful nation. It also said the great ancient forests would be restored.
After 1948, rainfall in the region tripled and the Jews began an agricultural revolution that had not been seen or even attempted there in over 2000 years. Now, only 60 years later, Israel now supplies 80% of all the fruit used in Europe. And where nothing grew before, there are now giant forests that have become national parks in Israel.
Even in the bad soil of Gaza, Israeli farmers had created over 100 small family-grown farms growing all sorts of fruits and vegetables. When they gave Gaza back to the Palestinians, I predicted that God would no longer bless that land, and sure enough, within 10 months 90% of those farms were gone, many now being used as rocket launching sites against Israel. That was a few years ago and I’ll bet they are all turned to dust by now.
Interestingly, the Palestinians know the prophecy as well. One big prophecy states that when Jesus returns He will descend from heaven onto the Mount of Olives and will enter Jerusalem through the Eastern Gate. So they bricked up the opening and to this day they post armed guards inside the walls to keep Jesus from fulfilling the prophecy when He returns.
Just Google “bible prophecies” and you will find a wealth of info on the subject.
Here are a couple of site to start with.
The last one gives the mathematical odds of the predictions of Christ’s birth. Even getting ten in a row would be unbelievable, yet there are 48 mentioned in this article alone.
100 fulfilled Bible prophecies
60 Genuine divine Bible prophecies fulfilled
I see signs of prophetic fulfillment almost every week in the news. For example, Ezekiel 38-39 predicts Israel’s enemies attacking it in the war of Gog in the near future. Many Islamic nations will be involved notably Turkey and Egypt, both friendly with Israel – until recently.
Turkey (Gog) just expelled Israel’s ambassadors as retaliation for the boarding of their ships sending materials to Gaza last year, and the citizens of Egypt just attacked the Israeli embassy the other day, so it looks like when they take power, the treaty between Egypt and Israel that has been in place for some 30 years will be revoked. Both of these things had to happen for prophecy to be fulfilled. I have been expecting this for many years, and now it is happening.
There is a lot of future prophecy all thru the bible, and the more I read, the more I realize it is all coming to pass. I don’t know of any other book that has this kind of information in them. No man could predict all this. Only the true creator of time and space could do it.
I will tell you this, if current events start to turn around and takes the world in some other direction away from bible prophecy, I may start to have some doubts. If it turns out that the authors of the bible simply had a streak of 1500 lucky guesses, and now their luck has run out, I’ll be the first to speak out against them. But I’m not stupid. I’ve noticed that the sun has risen every morning since I can remember. How sure am I that it will rise tomorrow?
Almost as sure as I am that God’s word is true.
Bless you friend…
Could it be that you are trying to make events fit prophecy? How about the Christians in Palestine – you think they want to thwart Jesus return? And the Israelis plowing field after field and orchard after orchard in Gaza and destroying them, – could they be God’s handymen? I really hope you don’t think so. THAT is why so many farms are being destroyed. And if you are a Christian, you know that Jesus BOUGHT the inheritance for God’s children, God doesn’t unbless what he has blessed. Our receipt of God’s goodness is based on what Jesus earned, not on what we do.
But the biggest problem with your interpretations of prophecy is that the Israelis have NOT been gathered yet – they are still very much dispersed. And the Scripture CLEARLY states this happens when the Messiah returns and that certainly has NOT happened. Might want to think again.
Israel’s troubles are called the law of sowing and reaping. I firmly believe God will rescue her, but he will also hold her accountable, the prophecies of his punishment of her for acquiring her wealth by stealing and displacing others is very clearly laid out. This will come at the end of time when those who reject God face judgment. Those that turn and accept the Messiah will be his chosen. Those that are in control of Israel right now have hijacked her and are wreaking havoc in the land, with the intent to incite her enemies to destroy her.
I guess you never read the book of Joshua. When God gave the promised land to Israel after 40 years wandering in the desert, the land He promised was already occupied by a number of different peoples. God told Joshua to kill all the residents of Jericho and even provided divine assistance to help them to do the job. So I doubt that God is concerned about the displacement of modern Palestinians. In fact if you read the prophecy of Zechariah he mentions that “Gaza will be forsaken” and the Lord will be greatly displeased at that. And the same applies to the west bank which will also be given up according to the prophecy as well as half of Jerusalem. God is not happy that His people simply give away their inheritance. They may in fact be punished for that as was Joshua after he left two residents of Jericho alive after the battle.
You are correct that Jews from around the world, even from the lost tribes, will be brought to Israel after Christ returns, but I was referring to the formation of the nation of Israel which had been prophesied for 2500 years. That event was spoken of by Jesus and it was to herald His imminent return – That generation shall not pass away by the time of His return.
And as for the farms, the Palestinians are still trying to farm the land with no luck. It wouldn’t grow anything before the Jews returned and now that they are gone, it is back to the way it was for 2000 years. Plowing under a field does not keep it from producing. In fact, most farmers plow under their fields every season to fertilize the soil. Maybe its just that the Palestinians have never been good at farming – otherwise by this time all of Gaza would be covered in productive farms – they have been there for thousands of years after all.
So what’s their excuse for the last millennium?
Oh, and Turkey RIGHTFULLY cut off ties with Israel for SLAUGHTERING TURKISH PEACE ACTIVISTS. Israel brought this on herself. There was absolutely no justification for killing those people – many were shot in the top of the head and the back, for goodness sake, indicating shots were fired as the soldiers were being lowered. NO WEAPONS, i.e. firearms were on board. I wish more would stand up for justice and God’s laws.
“My name is blasphemed among the nations because of you!” (God, to the Jewish people.)
Like I said, those in government over the land of Israel are setting the stage for her destruction, posing as Jews, as God’s people, when they are not!!!! Unlike many of the residents in Israel, who are protesting the Palestinian blockade, and the mistreatment of people in Israel, – these people are standing for righteousness, and these will be the people Jesus returns to find waiting to help in the liberation of Israel!
And by the way, Prophecy is not God saying, this is what I am going to make happen. It is a warning of what will happen because of the path the world, and notably, Israel, is on.
There is a universe of distance in thought, belief, character and behaviour between devout Jews and Zionists.
Dear maria,
The turkish “peace” activists attacked the soldiers that were being air dropped onto their ships. If they were actually “peaceful” they would be alive today.
Those ships could have easily been carrying weapons and components of weapons so that “activists” in the Gaza strip could continue their rabid and irrational assaults on Israel.
Israel has the right and responsibility to protect its’ citizens. Enforcing the sanctions that Gaza has EARNED is one way to do this.
It is a shame that this tragedy happened and I most certainly regret any needless loss of life. But the real tragedy is that Jews, Muslims and Christians have been fighting over who is the most peaceful and loving for a very long time.
With the grace of God, we can all hope and pray this war will soon be over.
May God guide you,
Abel
maria
you believe in a lot of propaganda, not truth.
The turkish “peace” activists were liars. They had weapons on board to start more terror in Israel.. The antichrist will come from Turkey.
You show no concern for the slaughter of Israelis.
Israel protects its own people, so the death count is lower than Gaza.
The Palestinian terrorists do not care about its people, do not protect them and kill them. That is why their death count is higher.
Israelis do not take arab land, but arabs take Israeli land.
Also, because of their perpetual hatred, evil, and violence, God has promised to destroy all Palestinians in Gaza.
Guess you’ve never has rockets raining down on your neighborhood. d
In any case, it doesn’t matter whose fault it was, the fact is that God said it would happen. Turkey will lead the war of Gog. I predict (just me) that the Muslims will soon elect a new Caliph to unify them, and he will be located in the old Caliph’s offices in Ankara, Turkey. He will be the “Gog” of Magog from Ezekiel 38-39.
The Muslim world is already discussing this matter and there is no reason to think they won’t go through with it. After all, they had a Caliph from the time of Mohammed until the 1930’s and the office was terminated against their wishes by the British and their WW1 allies.
As I said, everything seems to be falling into place, for whatever reasons, and the prophecy is not going to just stop dead in its tracks no matter how much non-believers wish it won’t happen.
Be prepared or be scared. It’s up to you. (everyone).
Dear James,
Thank you for your detailed response.
Interpreting prophecy can be difficult given the cryptic fashion in which it is typically written. Though I am a clever man, I often find the process mind-boggling. I shall do as you suggested and seek other sources on the internet.
I personally believe that much of the destruction detailed in Revelations has been and will be brought about by the hand of man and man’s enemies, rather than directly by the hand of God. This world is a precious jewel in the galaxy. God promised Noah He would not flood the world again, and I believe Him. There is too much beauty here. Too many precious forms of life that are present nowhere else in the universe. And life is innocent of the sins of Man. I believe God’s justice will be precise: it is the justice of Man that is sloppy.
These are just the simple beliefs of a simple man. But I pray they are correct.
Many blessings,
Abel
Abel,
I think you are right about most prophecy being fulfilled by the acts of man. The 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse are due to man. Only a few acts will be of divine origin – just to let folks know that God is still around and in control – when He wants to be.
Jim
I will reply to all of you guys in steps.
Thank you so much Marianne for answering me. I’m highly grateful. I wrote that story yesterday evening, after a long brainstorm. I got kinda stuck. And it didn’t make any sense any more to me. I felt like, what the hell am I living for? I am not in any way suicidal and never will be, because I love life more than anything, but it was not making any sense when thinking about so many things. And I must be honest. You kinda made my day. Because, yes, I admit, I let The Holy Spirit enter my heart a long time ago. And since that day, I really feel like something is guiding me. Even if things look SO bad, it always ends up good for some strange reason. But although I knew that something was by my side, I still had so many questions. And just got frustrated at myself and the world in general. I didn’t mean to attack the Bible or religion in general. I was just a little bit angry, but not angry in the terms of physical anger, like throwing with things or something, but like, anger inside, angry at myself for being such a doubtful person. But after eading your story I realised how shallow my ideas and my thoughts were. And when I said those things about the Bible I did not mean it. Sometimes I just have moments of frustrations, like walking a endless road and not getting anywhere. But then I looked at the things that I actually already accomplished in life. It was so dark that I actually saw bolts of light, to talk metaphorically. I was looking at everything I lack, not at that what I have. And thats when I realised that life actually is making sense.
Sorry if my grammar is in anyway worse, I’m actually from Holland.
thank you so much. God bless you.
Gabriel
You are a good guy, and you will be ok.
You are seeking the truth, and you will find it.
Lots of love and blessings to you.
the true religion is islam…i hve the proof 2this…look ol the world the religion which iz being humilieted is islam y? bcoz is thje real religion…muslims are killed by christians evry day bt u cant heard christians are killed by muslims…..in qur an Allah says that he is the only God bt in bible jesus ddnt say that he is the God..
dear maher
you have it backwards. christians (kafirs) are killed by muslims every day…and this has been true for 1400 years.
jesus said int he bible that the Father is God and that he is God’s son.
Islam is at war with the world. It wants to rule and dominate, and other peoples do not agree.
Just where are these Muslims killed by Christians? There may be some Muslims that are retaliated against by their attacking other people. Muslims are the ones who murder, kill, rape, falsly imprison and steal in the name of their religion, their prophet and their version of God. There are no Christians putting Muslims to death for their faith or for not being Christian. That has not happened for hundreds of years. But courts of law in Muslim countries still are at this time, imprisoning and executing Christians for their faith. Muslims out of courts due to the teachings of crazy ranting Imams are murdering, bombing and crucifying Christians for their faith regularly these days. Christians have not killed anyone over faith issues for many hundreds of years. There are some soldiers at war that may happen to be Christians, but also most western soldiers come from many faiths and do not fight wars over religion. They fight secularly for what they think is right or what they think is wrong. When a country or a group of people beg for our help and we feel they deserve it, we go help them. We stood up for the Muslims in Yugoslavia against the Serbs, Afghanistan against the Russians who were slaughtering them. In Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from Sadaam Hussein who was invading their countries and wanted to rule over them. Then Sadaam Hussein when he had tortured, gased and murdered over 2 million people in Iraq and Iran. But time and time again, history gets “re-written” or twisted into an alternate form by Islamists to suit propaganda needs. I am so angry that our government is talking about giving aid to Syrian rebel groups because all we will get for our giving them money, aid, the lives of our brave enlisted is ingratitude for “sticking our nose where it doesn’t belong”. We hear the cries of all those civilians being attacked and have wanted to help all along, but everytime we do, we get accused of “invading” and murdering Muslims and instigating war even though the war was going on long before we step in to try to put a stop to it all. We should have let Sadaam Hussein and his maniac sons continue to torture, gas, murder his own people and Iranians. We should have let the Serbians drive the Muslims out of Yugoslavia, we should have let the Russians mow down the Afghans. Because all we get is Muslims plotting against us saying we started it all in the first place and invade their countries. Muslims seem to re-write history continuously. Why should money come out of my paycheck away from my family’s needs to give aid to people who are eternally ungrateful, full of misguided hate and want to kill me, my family and my country? Why????
Gabriel
You do not want me to use one of those books to teach you so I will use what is tangible. Have you ever taken a science class and learned about Human DNA? DNA is what allows us to reproduce, and grow. The fundamental aspect of DNA is that it is a “code”, unique to each of us that we pass down to our children. If everyone is born with this “Code” then where did it begin? All data begins with someone creating that data. I say this to you so that you will understand that there is a Creator/ God looking over his creation. So at this point, you could be a muslim, a hindu or a bhudist, or jewish etc. as all religions believe in humans being created. The question you will need to ask, however, is which religion holds the “TRUTH”.
If there is a god, which religion believes in the True God, Creator of all things? You are at an age when you are Just learning about what life has to offer you, and you are now making choices that count either for or against you at Judgement day. I suggest that you start to take those choices “seriously”, as life is not a Joke. The fact that you came to this sight shows that you are searching for more. More information that will allow you to make those choices. That was not an accident, as you are probably considering making the “wrong” choices. If you believe that there is a God, then you must also believe that their is reason why we were created. You also must believe that there is a right and wrong way to live.
In this respect, I caution you, as there is a place called Hell, and it is for those who make the wrong choices. I say this not to make you afraid, but that you should not take your choices lightly. If you would like I could show you the “way” which leads to God. Then you can choose to accept or reject it.
Also thanky you very much for replying on my story.
For you I have the same thing to say as I said to Marianne. Look at my reply to her post, to see what I mean.
Thank you kindly,
And may God bless you.
Thank you Marianne for your kind reply. Now that I have all that of my chest, I would still love to debate with you people about some things. This is a very enlightening forum. And I think it should not be a ”Christianity against Islam” or vice versa. Because when I look at some posts, (not all of course) that seems to be the case. I would like to openly debate with each other.
So if I ever again have questions, on my path to knowledge (Haha, almost seems like some sort of adventure, which it is actually) I will post my questions on this forum. So you guys will probably hear from me in the future.
Greetings Gabriel:D
Gabriel
Well, you are on a page that discusses the differences between Christians and Muslims, so you will see some arguments here.
There are also some science pages, and New Age, and other religious pages. It is a real mix.
But I have over 500 pages on this site, with just Christian topics.
But Ha!
Even Christians argue about things and what is true, so all you have to do is join in.
I let people disagree with each other, in order to make them think more about what they believe. I ask people to prove what they believe.
So during the debate process, they can clarify what they believe and why.
this is such a pile of sh*t.
you guys are nothing but haters spreading false information.
well, that is your opinion….the information was take from muslim sources, and the references are given in the post.
The Muslims are mostly correct, the Christians would not know if their arse was on fire.
I have not seen here any referals to Enki, Marduk or the Elders. Or even Anu. People of Ur were not Gods
They have long ago forgotten but will shortly remember.
I would be called an ‘Agnostic Athiest’
dear paul
Agnostics and atheists are welcome here too, even though it is a christian site.
I would disagree that Muslims are mostly correct, but agree that Christians can be really uninformed.
The idea of this site is to change that, and hopefully see everyone correct, and everyone informed.
References to Enki etc is a different topic and each page is devoted to on topic usually, even though people get off topic a lot.
i have about 550 topics and only a slight reference to them so far.
I have one person who is from that race / culture who is writing a post on Gate Walking for me but he has not gotten back to me yet.
islam is the most purest religion of all.the religion has truth in it including proof.i dont know what number “666” represents but i do really believe in “ALLAH” the creator as well as destroyer of everything.i believe that god has no form and god is not like man or human,but most religions worship their god in the form of an idol…..so what is the difference between an idol and a statue of nothing? do you think there is no difference between man and god?
guys just think and understand before you point out any further mistake in Islam
Qur’an is the holy book of Muslims sent by Allah himself(mentioned in Qur’an).there want be any mistake since it is the book by ALLAH and he doesnt make any mistake as he is a god.This is the difference between god and human.
it is not the religion islam which is wrong it is the people kafirs who are wrong,who have devil in them.
INSHALLAH you will understand this in your life time or after your death.
.
To be honest, not the entireQur’an was written by Allah. Don’t forget the satanic verses which according to Mohammed were given by Satan in disguise. He told his followers to ignore those verses, but you can’t unring a bell. Makes me wonder how many other verses can be attributed to the devil in disguise. After all, Mohammed apparently couldn’t tell the difference between Satan and the angel Gabriel, so if I was a supreme court judge I would be forced to throw out the entire book.
No wonder why Muslims make poor judges.
Just kidding…
Have a nice 9/11
James
I think you can disagree without bringing the devil into the discussion.
if you(James) are so sure about that the entire Qur’an has not been written by Allah then give me the proof ,which chapter and which verse says you that.i would like to know.Then how do you believe that the bible is true
i think its the nature of non Muslims to praise your religion by lying.
why the hell do you want to comment on others,their god,their messenger so this is what your god says you to do?
the comments all are rubbish.i am really telling you all one more word about the religion Islam,our Allah,our messengers you guys are really gonna pay for this.
heena
I agree that James was too harsh.
While I do not believe as you do, I still allow you to express your views, as long as they are done peacefully.
As for errors in the Quran, or any other text, those issues can be explored by doing a search for them on the internet.
But this was not the intent of this page. I found it interesting that a Muslim site would say the 666 was a holy number, when the bible says it represents the antichrist. This is one point where Islam and Christianity have opposite views.
I am a simple man with simple beliefs. I have read much of the bible but only read parts of the Qur’an (so I will primarily address the contents of the bible). Much of what I have read is merely history, not religion (one does not need to be divinely inspired to write history – many contemporary authors have succeeded quite well without “divine” guidance).
The writers of the Bible at many times were confounded by God’s intent and did strange things in their attempts to appease Him (slaughtering villagers that had taken them in, practicing genocide, etc).
Still these writers are believed to have been divinely inspired and every word that they wrote true. But if God was guiding their hand, they would not need wonder about His will.
People, make too much of interpreting both books when what God wants is simple. It was written in His commandments: thou SHALT NOT KILL. Seems simple enough. If someone is telling you to kill (in His name) it is time to question the messenger.
Sincerely,
Abel
heena et.al.,
Just so you know, I am equally harsh to misinformed Christians elsewhere on this site, so pardon my sarcastic wit, but I have nothing but love in my heart for all mankind, but as you mention, eventually, some people are going to have to pay for their beliefs. In the Koran it says in the end time, all Jews will be killed and Christians will be given a chance to convert to Islam or else they will be killed as well.
We have a similar belief. At the second resurrection everyone who ever lived will be brought back and taught the ways of God and if they turn to Him they will receive eternal life and if not, they will simply go back to being dead. It will be their choice although Satan will be loosed a short time to tempt them one last time, just to sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.
But Muslims will not be unceremoniously executed because of their faith. They will get their chance to repent like everyone else, even apostate Christians with pagan beliefs that have infiltrated the church (and even Islam) over the centuries.
So I get a lot of people mad at me and I’m cool with that. I’m only trying to prepare them for the future, as I understand it. If I’m wrong, I will have wasted a bit of my spare time in this life, but if I’m right I will have done a service to my God and the people I have reached.
So my mantra is “Ignore me now but hear me later” and let time sort out who is right and who is wrong.
Bless…
James,
God is all powerful. At His hand are the armies of heaven and the angel of death (the destroyer). When the time comes, He will not need the assistance of men to wipe this world clean (if that is His will). Jesus never lifted a sword and stayed Peter’s hand when he sought to defend him. In doing that, he set an example that all men should try to follow.
Taking a life even in self-defense or the defense of others is a great burden to carry. Jesus knew this, as do I (all too well).
Keep the faith and keep God’s commandments. This applies to Christians, Jews and Muslims. They are brothers of the book. Even Mohammed believed they should live together in peace, not fight like children. It is unfortunate (but predictable) that Muslims now fight each other as well as Christians and Jews, rather than merely fighting the faithless (infidels). But it is has always been easier for men to hate rather than to love. To talk like the faithful, rather than walk like them.
Mohammed made a serious error in judgement when he told his people to spread their faith by the sword. Now we have wolves in sheep’s clothing. God can tell them apart, but how can people? I know it was not God who told him this; whether it was is own words or Satan’s, I cannot say either. But I can say it IS evil to kill (except in self defense or as an act of justice) and a violation of God’s most sacred commandment.
Those that carry God’s commandments in their hearts will know I speak the truth, those who carry them in their mind, might very well seek to slay me for speaking such truths openly.
May God always guide you,
Abel
i am just 14 and i have not done any research on Christianity,their beliefs,teachings etc.So i hardly don’t understand what you each say.but i do understand that many of you are using so many names to describe our god(eg: moon god sin by leatherneck) and we our moon god worshipers.its not true according to me.And who said that our messenger was a murderer and a rapist nonsense.going to some stupid website and you just post a comment.ALLAH U AKBAR means Allah is the greatest of all.He knew that people kaafirs especially would create new religion and will go against him,so he has said that he is the greatest of other gods,elements of this world which is going to be destroyed one day.
Dear heena, You are young and you do not yet know that much about the idealogy that was invented by Mohammed. For thousands of years in that region, there was a pagan god, one of many worshipped by the local arabs and persians named Allah, it was a moon god. You can google the ancient history of that area and it’s ancient religions to find out for yourself. Never take anyone’s word for granted. Seek for yourself. You say that it is not true for you. But what if you were duped, tricked or not told the truth by people that you trust. Don’t always blame them, they were lied to also, but in this age of modern communication, everyone has access to the truth and doesn’t have to be brainwashed any more. If you read the full Qu’ran and the Haddith and know anything about psychology, it is easy to see what frame of mind this Mohammed was in and what he was really about. Islam really has not much to do with peace or following God. It’s all about Mohammed. The rest of the world believes that a fallen angel (demonic) was influencing Mohammed. Mohammed even says so many times. Allah refers to a pagan moon God, not God the Creator. In Christianity, we believe in the Old Testament books and The New Testament books as they compliment each other, many of the prophesies from the Old coming true in the New and now. Jesus came down from Heaven to be our Messiah and to pay the ultimate price for our sins and transgressions. He died on the cross, visited Hell and rose from the dead 3 days later and after teaching the believers that through Him is the Kingdom of the Father, He ascended into Heaven in front of everyone there. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. Muslims teach that Jesus was born of a virgin, like we do and that he will come to judge mankind but yet they think he was just a prophet –which is entirely silly. No being can judge mankind unless He is God, but Muslims won’t admit that. They are just so terribly confused in their thinking. After much studying fully all books from both religions, you will eventually conclude that prophesies from the Bible actually come true and that Mohammed just made up a bunch of stuff, but only then will you find your way to a personal relationship with God the Father, Jesus His Son and the Holy Spirit which flows from them and within us. They are all one and they love you.
Heena
There is only one way to the one true God, Yahweh, or the “existent one”. And that is through Jesus. John 14:6 says “I am the WAY, the truth, and the life. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER (God) EXCEPT THROUGH ME”
Mohammad cannot do this, neither can shiva, or Bhudda, or any “man”.
If you want to understand Christianity, read the Gospel of John. (you have to find a “christian” version, and not one that has been altered by the Imams of your faith)
You are still young, but as you get older, you will either follow man (Mohammad) or follow God (Jesus), The choice is as simple as that, and as complex as that! The only place fallen man can lead you to is Hades, and the devil.
May God bless you in your quest for TRUTH.
Even the Christians in Palestine are gonna be wiped out by God, eh Marianne? There are many innocent civilians in Gaza, who are being tormented by the Isrealis, some of them born-again Christians.
You profess to believe Jesus died for people’s sins, and he did “not only for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole world”. These people that are being killed in Palestine, many of them women and children, are not evil in any way. They are crying out to God for protection, and besides, God told the Israelis to be kind to the strangers in their land.
Oh well, I know God is just, and the true Israel is those who are circumsised in the heart, It is not based on race. I look forward to the day when Israel as a nation embraces the Messiah and turns from the evil ways she is practicing.
God will be faithful to those who put their trust in Him, and walk in love.
Maria
There are very few, if any, Christians in Gaza. Most have left to stay with Israel for protection. Also, to call oneself christian is not enough. One has to live the life of one, and not participate in the hatred and lies that Gazans demonstrate. Just as you are influenced by the lies and are deceived, so any so called “christians” in Gaza may also be.
Jesus died for those who would repent. Not everyone will repent, and so they will not be saved. Gazans are evil and violent. They do not repent. They have been brain washed, as you are, by their leaders. So they cry out to God, as they commit murder on the Israelis? they will surely be damned by God.
As I said, God will destroy Gaza and give it to the Israelis. It has already been prophesied, and it will come to pass. he will also clean out the muslims from the temple mount, as their mosque is an abomination. Gazans claim they are of the ancient canaanites. If so, their fate has been declared.
They will be condemned for their ancient hatred. They have entered this land which is not theirs and claimed it as their own, then tried to kill off the rightful owners. Arafat, an Egyptian, came in to start all this. now he is in hell for what he did.
The only innocents in Gaza tormented are the muslim women tormented by their husbands. Domestic violence is rampant in the muslim homes there.
When Christ returns, God will not be wiping out anyone. He will be wiping out “Babylon” which is not, as some Christians believe, Islam, or cities in Islamic countries or any people in particular.
Babylon represents pagan practices in modern Christianity. That is what will be destroyed, not people – only practices. Many Christians think they will be saved and all other religions will be destroyed, but they are wrong. The true God will make His presence known well before the second coming. Everyone on earth will hear His voice and know that He is the one and only God. Many on earth will cry out to their own Gods to come save them from the God of Israel, but there will be no response. Many will still not believe and will gather at Armageddon to make war against Christ when He returns. Now those guys WILL be wiped out, whoever they are.
It’s going to be a rough time for everybody – Christians included.
As for the peaceful Palestinians, they swore on Allah that they would stop firing rockets into Israel at the end of 2010, just to prove to Israel that they are not aggressors. Here is a list of rocket firings so far this year:
January
According to the Israel Security Agency’s monthly summary, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip launched 17 rockets and 26 mortar shells were towards Israel in 25 separate attacks. This represented a decline in number of projectiles fired from December 2010, which saw 15 rockets and 38 mortar shells launched in 30 separate attacks.[11]
January 1
In the evening, a mortar shell fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip landed near a kibbutz in the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. A woman suffered from shock, but no physical injuries or damage were reported. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for mortar attacks that day, saying that it had fired four mortars at two military posts in Israel and adding that it would “cling to the option of resistance and confront the Israeli occupation”. That night, Israel responded to the attack and to a separate attack two days earlier with airstrikes on two targets in the Gaza Strip, described by the Israel Defense Forces as a Hamas terrorist activity center in the north and a weapons manufacturing facility in the center of the territory. Palestinians said that two people were injured.[12][13]
January 2
A projectile fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip hit the Eshkol Regional Council.[14] The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for attacks that day, saying they had fired several projectiles at Israeli targets late at night in response to “ongoing Israeli aggression against the people of Gaza”. However, an Israeli military spokeswoman said she was not aware of any shells launched from Gaza at that time.[15]
January 4
In the afternoon, a Qassam rocket fired by Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip exploded near a kibbutz in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council. No injuries were reported, but several greenhouses sustained damage. No militant group claimed responsibility. Israel responded that day with airstrikes on a Hamas militant training facility in the central part of the Gaza Strip and a smuggling tunnel in the south. No injuries were reported.[16][17][18][19][20]
January 5
Two mortar shells fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip landed in open areas in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[21] Five additional mortars hit the Eshkol Regional Council that day, according to the IDF website.[22]
After nightfall, a Qassam rocket hit an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[19][23]
January 6
In the morning, a mortar shell fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fell in the Sdot Negev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[24] The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for mortar attacks at that time, saying that it had fired three shells at an Israeli military base near Kissufim. However, an Israeli military spokeswoman said she was not aware of any attacks in that area.[25] Israel responded that night with airstrikes on two sites in the Gaza Strip, which it identified as a Hamas terror base in the north and an infiltration tunnel in the south intended for carrying out attacks against Israelis. No injuries were reported.[26][27]
January 7
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a projectile at Israel. No injuries or damage were reported.[28]
January 8
At about 2:20 pm, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired four 181-millimeter mortar shells at Israel, all of which landed in the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. One of the shells hit a residential area within an agricultural community in the area. Three Thai foreign agricultural workers were injured, one seriously, one moderately and one lightly, all by shrapnel. A number of other people suffered from shock. The shell also killed a cat nearby. Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, saying that it had fired six mortar shells at an Israeli military post near Nahal Oz.[2][29][30][31][32]
Towards the evening, an additional Palestinian mortar shell landed in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[29]
After nightfall, Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket which landed in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[33][34]
Within an hour, Palestinians fired a second Qassam rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council. Truck driver Yitzhak Zaafrani was lightly wounded in the face and his truck was damaged.[33][34]
January 9
In the morning, Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[34][35] Israel responded overnight to the attacks of the previous two days with airstrikes on two terror activity targets in the Gaza Strip. No injuries were reported.[36] According to DEBKA, the targets were Hamas underground command centers recently built by engineers from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.[37]
January 10
In the evening, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired three rockets at Israel. One hit an industrial area in Ashkelon, while the other two fell in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[38]
Later, Palestinians fired another Qassam rocket which landed in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries were reported.[39]
January 11
In the morning, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a rocket which exploded south of Ashkelon. No injuries or damage were reported.[40] Israel responded overnight to the attacks of the previous two days with airstrikes on two Hamas compounds and a Palestinian Islamic Jihad militant training base.[41]
January 16
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired three mortar shells at Israel, all of which exploded in an open area near a kibbutz in the Sha’ar HaNegev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported. The Color Red siren did not sound.[42]
January 17
In the morning, a Qassam rocket fired by Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip exploded in an orchard near a community in the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[43]
January 18
In the early afternoon, four mortar shells fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip landed in open areas in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[44]
January 21
A mortar fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip landed in an unspecified location in the western Negev. No injuries or damage were reported.[45]
January 25
In the evening, a Qassam rocket fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fell in an open area in the Sdot Negev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[46]
Later in the evening, a second rocket exploded in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[47]
January 31
A Qassam rocket fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip exploded in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[48]
A Grad rocket landed near a residential neighborhood in the city of Netivot. The explosion disrupted a wedding in the vicinity of the landing site; four people suffered from shock, and damage was caused to a road and a parked car. Another Grad rocket exploded near the city of Ofakim a few minutes later, but no injuries or damage were reported.[48]
Israel responded on 2 February with an airstrike on a smuggling tunnel under the Gaza-Egypt border. No injuries were reported.[49] Israel also submitted a letter of complaint to the United Nations.[50]
[edit]February
According to the Israel Security Agency’s monthly summary, Palestinians fired 6 rockets and 19 mortar shells at Israel in 14 separate attacks.[51]
February 4
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Qassam rocket into the Sdot Negev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported. The Color Red alarm did not sound.[52]
February 6
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired two mortar shells into the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council.[53]
After nightfall, two additional mortar shells landed in open areas in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported in either incident.[53]
February 8
At around 11 am, two mortar shells launched by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip landed in a kibbutz in the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. One projectile landed in a parking lot, damaging a car. A second landed in a nearby field and damaged a hose. No injuries were reported.
Shortly after 2 pm, two more mortars were fired at the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council from the northern Gaza Strip. No injuries or damage were reported. The Color Red rocket alert system sounded during both attacks and residents of the area were asked to temporarily remain in their homes. Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, saying the attacks were directed at a military post east of Khan Younis.[54][55][56]
Israel responded to the attacks with airstrikes on an infiltration tunnel in the northern Gaza Strip, a rocket manufacturing facility, and a third target near Jabaliya. Palestinian sources said that eight people were lightly injured.[57]
February 9
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine said that its militants fired a projectile at an Israeli military jeep in the morning. The Israel Defense Forces said they were not familiar with the incident.[58]
February 14
Around noon, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Qassam rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[59] The attack, which occurred after several days of relative calm, coincided with the swearing of Benny Gantz as new Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Forces. Ilana Curiel of Israel News speculated that the attack was a signal by Palestinian terror groups that they would not “make life easy” for him.[60]
February 23
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired three mortar shells at a kibbutz in the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. One of the projectiles exploded near a soccer field, another near a pool and the third outside the border fence. No injuries were reported. The Color Red alarm did not sound. Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for mortars fired that day, saying it launched two shells at IDF forces which crossed the fence into the Gaza Strip.[61][62]
Around 9:30 pm, Palestinians fired three Grad missiles at Beersheba, one of Israel’s largest cities. One of the missiles hit the backyard of a home in a residential area, causing extensive damage to surrounding houses and vehicles. Four residents – two adults and two children – were treated for shock. No physical injuries were reported. The Color Red alarm sounded through the city mere seconds before the explosion. This marked the first time Beersheba was hit by Palestinian rockets since the 2009 Gaza War.[62][63][64]
Israel responded that day with an airstrike on a Palestinian Islamic Jihad cell in eastern Gaza City, wounding three militants. This was followed by several airstrikes on military targets throughout the Gaza Strip, which caused heavy damage to buildings. The following day, a further airstrike on a Hamas vehicle in the Al Salaam area of Rafah killed one person and wounded several others.[65][66]
February 26
A mortar shell fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip landed in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[67] Israel responded with airstrikes on Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad militant facilities in the Gaza Strip. Four Palestinians were lightly injured.[68][69]
February 27
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Qassam rocket at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported. The Color Red alarm did not sound.[68][69]
A mortar shell was fired from the northern Gaza Strip Israel but landed in Palestinian territory near the Erez border crossing. No injuries or damage were reported. Residents of three towns in the Shaar HaNegev and Ashkelon Coast regional councils were requested to remain in their protected spaces for fear of additional attacks.[70]
[edit]March
According to the Israel Security Agency’s monthly summary, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired 38 rockets and 87 mortar shells at Israel in 47 separate attacks.[71]
March 3
During the night, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a projectile at the Sdot Negev Regional Council. The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack, saying its militants had fired a C5K rocket at an Israeli military tower near Kissufim. “We choose the option of resistance as the means to attain our national rights, and promise the Palestinian people that we will continue resistance against Israeli forces,” a statement from the group said.[72]
March 4
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired two Qassam rockets at Israel. One exploded in the Sdot Negev Regional Council and the other apparently landed within Palestinian territory. No injuries or damage were reported.[73]
March 5
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a rocket at an unspecified site in the western Negev. No injuries or damage were reported. Israel responded with airstrikes on Hamas militant posts in Zeitoun, Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis. No injuries were reported.[73][74]
March 9
After nightfall, a Qassam rocket fired by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip landed in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[75]
March 16
Palestinians fired a rocket into Sderot. No injuries or damage were reported.[76] Israel responded with an airstrike on a Hamas compound in the Gaza Strip, killing two Hamas militants and injuring one.[77]
March 18
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired four mortar shells at Israel. Some fell in unspecified locations in the western Negev,and some fell within the Gaza Strip.[78]
Around 4 pm, Palestinian terrorists fired six additional mortar shells into the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[78][79]
March 19
In the early morning, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired 54 mortars on Israeli communities within a period of 15 minutes. A man and his wife were wounded by shrapnel as they fled toward a safe zone. Several homes on a kibbutz were badly damaged. One mortar shell landed on the rooftop of a kindergarten, but the building was empty because it was Shabbat, the Jewish day of rest. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was a response to the death of two of the group’s militants in an Israeli airstrike several days earlier.[80][81][82][83][84] According to The Telegraph, the unusually extreme attack by Hamas was an attempt by the Islamist group to divert its people’s wrath and to avoid being engulfed by the concurrent popular uprisings in the Middle East.[85]
Israel responded with airstrikes and tank fire, killing one Hamas official and injuring four others.[81]
March 20
On the Jewish holiday of Purim, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a mortar and two Qassam rockets at Israel.[82]
Later in the day, Palestinians fired a Grad missile at southern Ashkelon. One elderly woman was lightly injured, and several other people suffered from shock. Sirens were heard in the city.[86] British Minister for the Middle East and North Africa Alistair Burt condemned Hamas for its attacks on Israel as well as its assaults on Palestinian protesters in the Gaza Strip, saying: “Hamas should not think that while the attention of the world is elsewhere we will turn a blind eye to their actions. The indiscriminate targeting of Israeli citizens, as they celebrated the Jewish festival of Purim, is unacceptable.”[87]
March 21
After nightfall, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Qassam rocket at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[88]
March 22
Around 4 pm, Palestinians fired four mortar shells at Alumim and Sa’ad. No injuries or damage were reported.[89][90]
In the evening, Palestinians fired a Grad missile from the northern Gaza Strip and several mortar shells at Ashkelon; the Grad landed south of the city. No injuries or damage were reported.[91]
In the evening, the Israel Defense Forces attacked a Palestinian terror cell in the midst of preparing to fire a long-range rocket into Israel, killing four terrorists. Israeli military sources said the same terrorists were behind the Grad missile attack on Beersheba on 23 February.[92]
March 23
During the night, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Grad missile at Ashdod, which landed in an open area south of the city. This was the first time Ashdod, one of Israel’s largest cities and relatively far from the Gaza Strip, was targeted since the Gaza War. Sirens were heard in the city and in nearby Gedera and Kiryat Malachi. No injuries or damage were reported. Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.[93]
At 5:30 am, Palestinians launched another Grad missile at Beersheba. The rocket hit a street in the midst of a residential area. A 56-year-old man was injured by shrapnel that penetrated his third-floor apartment, and three other people suffered from shock. Several buildings, including a synagogue, were damaged. Fearing additional attacks, the city closed schools and universities for the day. Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, saying, “This is an initial reaction to the Zionist crimes against our people in Gaza.”[90][94][95]
Four hours later, Palestinians fired a third Grad missile at Beersheba, hitting an open area within the city.[90][95]
Later, Palestinians fired seven mortar shells at the Eshkol Regional Council and one at the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. Some of the shells contained white phosphorus.[96]
US President Barack Obama condemned the attacks as well as a recent Palestinian terrorist bombing in Jerusalem “in the strongest possible terms”, saying that “there is never any possible justification for terrorism”.[97] Israel responded to the attacks with airstrikes on terrorist training sites, weapons-smuggling tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border, and an abandoned rocket launcher. No injuries were reported in the airstrikes.[98]
March 24
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired twelve projectiles at Israeli towns throughout the day, reaching deep into the country. The Israeli cities of Beersheba, Ashdod and Kiryat Gat kept schools closed for the day, fearing additional attacks. The Ashkelon municipality held classes as usual, but the local Parents’ Committee urged residents to keep their children at home.[98][99] EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton condemned the attacks as well as the recent Palestinian terrorist bombing in Jerusalem in “the strongest terms”, adding that “attacks on any civilians are completely unacceptable in any circumstance”.[97] Details of some of the attacks:
During the night, Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket at the western Negev. No injuries or damage were reported.[98]
In the morning, Palestinians fired a second Qassam rocket which landed in an open area south of Ashkelon. No injuries or damage were reported.[98]
Shortly before 11 am, a third Palestinian rocket fired from the northern Gaza Strip exploded in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[98]
Around 12:15 pm, a fourth Palestinian Qassam rocket landed in an open area in the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries were reported.[98]
Just before 2 pm, Palestinians fired a fifth rocket at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries were reported.[98]
Two Grad missiles were fired at Ashdod. One struck south of the city and the other to its north; the explosion of the second projectile was heard in Yavne. The Color Red alarm was heard throughout the city, as well as in Ashkelon, Gedera and Gan Yavne.[100][101][102]
A few hours later, a rocket landed in Sderot and a mortar exploded in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. The Color Red alarm sounded. No injuries or damage were reported.[102][103]
In the evening, Palestinians fired six mortar shells at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[104]
Israel responded during the day with airstrikes on Hamas buildings in the Gaza Strip.[104]
March 26
Early in the morning, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired two rockets into Israel. One landed in the Eshkol Regional Council, exploding three yards from a home in one of the area’s communities. The house was severely damaged but the eight family members who were sleeping inside were unharmed. Another home was moderately damaged. The second rocket landed in an open area in an unspecified location. No injuries were reported.[105][106]
In the evening, a third rocket hit the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[105][107]
March 27
A Palestinian Islamic Jihad cell near Jabaliya was attempting to launch a projectile into Israel when it was targeted by an Israeli airstrike. Two PIJ militants were killed and three PIJ militants were wounded.[108]
March 29
Palestinians fired an unspecified number of Qassam rockets at Sderot, but all the projectiles fell within the Gaza strip. The Color Red alarm sounded in the Israeli city.[109] Israel responded the following day with airstrikes on a Palestinian Islamic Jihad cell, killing one PIJ terrorist and wounding another, and on a smuggling tunnel in the southern Gaza Strip.[110]
March 31
Around 7:30 pm, Palestinian terrorists in the northern Gaza Strip fired a Qassam rocket that landed in an open area south of Ashkelon. No injuries or damage were reported. The Color Red alarm sounded in nearby communities.[111]
[edit]April
According to the Israel Security Agency’s monthly summary, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired 87 rockets and 57 mortar shells at Israel in 63 separate attacks.[112]
April 5
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Qassam rocket at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported. Israel responded with airstrikes on two militant infiltration tunnels in the northern Gaza Strip. Palestinians said that four people were lightly to moderately injured.[113] The following day Israel carried out additional airstrikes on another militant infiltration tunnel in the north and three smuggling tunnels in the south. No injuries were reported.[114]
April 7
Main article: Hamas school bus attack
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet anti-tank missile at a school bus in the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council, outside Sa’ad. In the explosion, 16-year-old boy Daniel Viflic was critically injured with a shrapnel wound to the head, and the driver was moderately injured.[115][116][117] The boy died of his wounds ten days later.[118] Hamas issued a press release that evening claiming responsibility, calling the incident a retaliation for a previous Israeli strike that killed three Hamas leaders and vowing further attacks.[119] The fact that the Russian-made Kornet is a laser-guided weapon indicated that the school bus was intentionally targeted.[120] The attack opened a several-day stretch of violence in which Palestinians launched over 100 projectiles at Israel and Israeli responses left 19 Hamas militants and two civilians dead.[121]
Israeli President Shimon Peres said the attack showed that Gaza had turned into a terror state.[122] The United States condemned “the attack on innocent civilians… in the strongest possible terms, saying “there is no justification for the targeting of innocent civilians and those responsible for these terrorist attacks should be held accountable.”[123] British Foreign Secretary William Hague “unreservedly” condemned the attack as “despicable” and “cowardly”, and said reports suggested that the school bus was deliberately targeted.[124]
Over the next three hours, at least 45 additional Palestinian projectiles hit Israel. Residents were instructed to stay inside their homes, children were ordered to stay inside schools, and police sealed roads in the area for fear of additional attacks.[115] European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton “strongly” condemned the attacks.[124] Details of some of the incidents:
One mortar hit a home in the Eshkol Regional Council. The house was damaged but no injuries were reported.[115]
A Grad missile fired at Ashkelon was intercepted by the Iron Dome defense system, marking the first successful interception of a short range rocket in history.[115]
After nightfall, three Qassam rockets were fired into the Ashkelon Coast and Eshkol regional councils. No injuries or damage were reported.[125]
Israel responded with airstrikes on terror cells and smuggling tunnels.[126]
April 8
Despite the announcement by Gazan terror organizations of a unilateral ceasefire at 11 pm the previous night, Palestinians fired at least 24 mortar shells and 6 rockets at Israel, causing serious damage to a factory and to chicken coops.[126] Hamas, Fatah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the little-known Abu Al-Qumsan Brigades all claimed responsibility for various attacks.[127][128] Israeli children in the danger zone were held in school for safety reasons until the attacks ended. 450 schoolchildren at the “Nitzanei Eshkol” school were evacuated with a security forces escort. No injuries were reported.[129] Details of some of the attacks:
In the afternoon, sixteen Palestinian mortars shells exploded across southern Israel. One shell hit a chicken coop in the Eshkol Regional Council.[130][131]
Later in the afternoon four more mortar shells landed in open areas south of Ashkelon. No injuries or damage were reported.[132]
Four rockets were fired at Ashkelon. Three were intercepted by the Iron Dome defense system.[126]
In the evening, two mortar shells were fired at a kibbutz in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. A residential structure was damaged.[126]
Israel responded with airstrikes, killing four Hamas militants and one Popular Resistance Committees militant.[133]
April 9
Palestinians fired over 65 projectiles at Israel. Five people were injured while running to bomb shelters.[133] Details of some of the attacks:
Overnight, 15 Grads were fired into Israeli territory. The Iron Dome defense system intercepted five of them near Beersheba and Ashkelon.[133]
A rocket fired at a kibbutz in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council damaged homes and a water main.[133]
After nightfall, two rocket barrages hit the Eshkol Regional Council.[133]
Israel responded with airstrikes, killing two senior Hamas militants and one Popular Resistance Committees militant.[134]
April 10
Palestinians fired about 20 rockets and mortars at Israel.[135][136] Details of some of the attacks:
In the morning, three Palestinian mortar shells hit fields belonging to a kibbutz in the Eshkol Regional Council. The projectiles damaged electrical cables, causing power outages in nearby communities.[137]
A Palestinian rocket hit an open area in Ashkelon.[138]
A Palestinian Grad missile fired at Ashkelon was intercepted by the Iron Dome rocket defense system.[138]
Shortly thereafter, two Palestinian rockets hit open areas in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council and the Sdot Negev Regional Council.[139]
In the afternoon, a Qassam rocket exploded in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council.[140]
Two mortar shells hit an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council.[141]
Two more mortar shells hit the Eshkol Regional Council.[142]
Around 9:30 pm, shortly after Palestinian militant groups announced a ceasefire, a Qassam rocket exploded in an open area in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council.[136][143]
Israel refrained from responding to the attacks.[121]
April 12
According to the Palestinian Ma’an News Agency, al-Qaeda-affiliated Gazan militant group Tawhid and Jihad claimed to have launched two missiles at Nirim at 7:50 pm. The group said its claimed attack was “a response to Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip”, without clarifying further. However, the Israel Defense Forces said they were not aware of a rocket atttack taking place at that time.[144]
April 15
Palestinians fired two Grad missiles at Ashdod from the Beit Lahiya neighborhood of al-Atatra in the northern Gaza Strip. Alarms sounded in Ashdod and nearby Ashkelon. One rocket exploded in a residential area and the second landed outside the city.[145] No injuries or damage were reported. Israel responded several hours later with airstrikes on militant targets. No injuries were reported.[146]
April 18
On Passover eve, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Qassam rocket at the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. It exploded in an open area near a kibbutz, and no injuries or damage were reported. The Color Red alert sounded in the area and in Sderot.[147]
[edit]May
According to the Israel Security Agency’s monthly summary, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip perpetrated only one rocket attack on Israel during this month.[148]
May 28
Overnight, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a rocket at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported. This was the first such attack in six weeks.[149][150]
[edit]June
According to the Israel Security Agency’s monthly summary, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired four rockets and one mortar shell at Israel.[151]
June 15
At about 9:30 pm, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a Qasssam rocket at the Eshkol Regional Council. The projectile landed in an open area, and no injuries or damage were reported. The Color Red siren sounded in the region.[152]
June 21
After nightfall, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a mortar shell at the Eshkol Regional Council, followed half an hour later by a Qassam rocket fired at the same area. No injuries or damage were reported in either attack. The incident affected an Israeli national civil defense drill the following day. Israel responded with an airstrike on an infiltration tunnel in the central Gaza Strip, causing no injuries.[153][154]
[edit]July
According to the Israel Security Agency’s monthly summary, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired 20 rockets and 2 mortar shells at Israel in 18 separate attacks.[155]
July 3
In the morning, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a rocket at the Eshkol Regional Council, causing no injuries or damage.[156][157] Israel responded with an airstrike on an infiltration tunnel in the northern Gaza Strip, also causing no injuries.[158]
July 5
Mohammed Said and Kamal Abu Moamer, two members of the al-Qaeda-affiliated group Tawhid al-Jihad based in the southern Gaza Strip, were killed in an Israeli airstrike as they were preparing to launch a rocket into Israel from the central part of the Strip.[158][159]
July 9
In the evening, Palestinians fired three Qassam rockets at Israel. Two rockets hit open areas in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council; a third landed within the Gaza Strip. No injuries or damage were reported. Israel responded with an airstrike on an infiltration tunnel in the northern Gaza Strip, causing no injuries.[160][161]
July 12
Around 10:15 pm, Palestinians fired two Qassam rockets at Israel. One of the rockets exploded several feet from a home in the Sdot Negev Regional Council, damaging it, while the other hit an open area in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries were reported. The Color Red siren sounded, and residents also received text messages asking them to enter fortified spaces. Israel responded with airstrikes on two Gazan sites identified as weapons manufacturing facilities, causing no injuries.[162][163][164]
July 13
In the morning, Palestinians fired a rocket at the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries were reported.[163][165] Israel responded with airstrikes on two tunnels in the southern Gaza Strip and a third in the north.[166]
July 14
In the morning, Palestinians fired a rocket at the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. In the afternoon, Palestinians fired three more rockets at unspecified areas in Israel. In the evening, two more rockets were fired at the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported in any of the attacks.[166][167] Israel responded with airstrikes on four Hamas training camps in the Gaza Strip. Palestinian sources said that two children were lightly injured.[168]
July 15
Palestinians fired a mortar shell at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[169]
July 16
Overnight, Palestinians fired a rocket at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[170]
July 17
Starting about 1 am, Palestinians fired three Qassam rockets at Israel. The first rocket hit the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council. Two additional rockets exploded later in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported. The Color Red alarm did not sound.[171][172]
July 19
After nightfall, Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket at the Sdot Negev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported. Israel responded with airstrikes on terror targets in the Gaza Strip, causing no reported injuries.[173][174]
July 28
In the morning, Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket at the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council. The Color red alarm sounded in the area. No injuries or damage were reported.[175]
[edit]August
August 1
Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket at the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council. It exploded near a Bedouin tent, injuring 55-year-old shepherdess Fatma Saria in the lower limbs. The Color Red alarm sounded in the region.[176][177][178]
August 3
At about 10:30pm, Palestinians fired a rocket at the Lakhish Regional Council, between Sderot and Kiryat Gat.[179] The Abdullah Azzam Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.[180]
August 4
Shortly after midnight, Palestinians fired a rocket that exploded at the entrance to Ashkelon. Five people were lightly injured seeking shelter after the Color Red alarm sounded.[181] Israel responded with an airstrike on a Hamas militant center in the Gaza Strip.[179]
In the evening, Palestinians fired two rockets at Kiryat Gat. No physical injuries were reported, but two people were treated for shock. The Color Red alarm sounded in the city.[178]
August 7
After nightfall, Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket at the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. The rocket landed near a kibbutz, triggering the Color Red alarm.[182]
Later, Palestinians fired three mortar shells at the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council, damaging a fence.[183]
August 15
Palestinians fired a Grad rocket into Beersheba. Israel responded with airstrikes on five targets in the Gaza Strip, killing one armed Hamas terrorist and wounding several others. In a separate incident, several Palestinians were scattered by the Israeli Air Force as they were attempting to fire a rocket into Israel.[184][185]
August 18
Palestinians fired two rockets at Ashkelon; at least one of them was intercepted by the Iron Dome defense system. The Popular Resistance Committees claimed responsibility. Later, two more rockets fired at Ashkelon were intercepted by Iron Dome.[186]
August 19
Palestinians terrorists fired 17 rockets and several mortars at Israel. Responsibility for various attacks was claimed by the Popular Resistance Committees and Fatah’s Al Aqsa Brigades and al-Mujahideen Brigades.[187] The streets in Beersheba were said to be empty for fear of rockets. Details of some of the attacks:
In the morning, a rocket fired at a Jewish religious seminary in Ashdod injured 10 people, two of them seriously. Several blocks away, a Grad rocket landed inside a synagogue while worshipers were praying, but failed to explode. There were no injuries. The synagogue was partially demolished in order to clear the rocket.[188] The al-Qaeda-affiliated Abdullah Azzam Brigades claimed responsibility for the Grad attacks, saying they were a response to Israel’s targeting of the Popular Resistance Committees leadership the previous day.[189]
Around 4 pm, two Grad rockets exploded between Kiryat Malachi, Gedera and Gan Yavneh. One of the rockets started a fire, damaging a building.[190]
Around 5 pm, a Qassam rocket hit the Eshkol Regional Council.
Around 6:20 pm, two rockets hit Ashdod and the Sdot Negev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[191]
In the evening, a Qassam rocket landed near a kibbutz in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council.[192]
In the evening, two mortar shells hit the Eshkol Regional Council.[193][194]
After nightfall, two rockets hit the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[195]
Around 10 pm, a Grad rocket fired at Ashkelon was intercepted by the Iron Dome defense system.[196][197]
Israel responded with airstrikes on four targets in the Gaza Strip, killing senior Popular Resistance Committees commander Samed Abdul Mu’ty Abed as he was on his motorcycle.[198]
August 20
As Hamas announced it would renew attacks on Israelis, Palestinians fired 64 rockets at Israel. The projectiles reached Ashdod, Ashkelon, Beersheba and Ofakim, forcing more that half a million Israelis into bomb shelters. A Grad rocket fired at Beersheba killed 38-year-old Yossi Shoshan of Ofakim, who was on his way to ensure the safety of his his 9-month pregnant wife. Many others were injured in Beersheba, Ashdod and Ofakim, including a 4-month-old baby.[199][200][201] Details of some of the attacks:
Around 4 am, two rockets hit the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[202] Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.[203]
Two rockets fired from the northern Gaza Strip hit the outskirts of Ashdod, seriously injuring three Palestinian aliens working in the local industrial zone. The three were rushed to Kaplan Medical Center for treatment.[202][204] Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.[203]
Around 8:30 am, a rocket fired from the northern Gaza Strip hit an open area in the Be’er Tuvia Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[202][205] Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.[203]
Around 9 am, a Grad rocket landed in the Bnei Shimon Regional Council just north of Beersheba, triggering the Color Red alarm. Eight people suffered light injuries and shock.[202][206][207] The Popular Resistance Committees claimed responsibility.[203]
A rocket fired at the Lachish Regional Council at noon exploded on a section of Highway 35, from Ashkelon to Kiryat Gat, severely damaging it. The highway was closed to traffic.[208]
Just after noon, two Qassam rockets hit the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council, one landing in a kibbutz and the other in an open area. No injuries or damage were reported.[209][210]
A rocket fired at Ashkelon was intercepted by Iron Dome.[211]
Four mortar shells were fired at the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[212]
A Qassam rocket was fired at the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council and a mortar was fired at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[213]
Two mortar shells were fired at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[214]
Five mortar shells were fired at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[215]
A mortar shell was fired at the Eshkol Regional Council.[216]
A Grad rocket fired at Beersheba was intercepted by Iron Dome. The Popular Resistance Committees claimed responsibility.[217]
Five additional mortar shells were fired at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[218]
Grad rockets were fired at Ofakim. One rocket hit a home, wounding a 4-month-old baby, a 9-year-old child, and a 20-year-old man. Hamas claimed responsibility.[219][220]
A barrage of Grad rockets hit Beersheba, killing one person and injuring at least ten, four of them seriously. The Popular Resistance Committees claimed responsibility.[221][222]
Two Qassam rockets hit the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council.[223]
A Qassam rocket fired at Israel exploded within the Gaza Strip.[224]
August 21
In the morning, two mortar shells were fired at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[225]
In the morning, a Qassam rocket hit the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.[226]
In the morning, three Grad rockets fired at Ashkelon were intercepted by Iron Dome.[227]
In the morning, two Grad rockets were fired at Beersheba. One was intercepted by Iron Dome; the other fell in an open area near the city. No injuries or damage were reported.[228]
In the morning, a rocket hit a school in Beersheba, damaging it. No injuries were reported.[229]
In the morning, two rockets were fired at the Beersheba region. No injuries or damage were reported.[230]
Shortly before noon, three rockets hit near Ashkelon. No injuries or damage were reported.[231]
Shortly after noon, a rocket was fired at the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council. No injuries were reported.[232]
During the evening, a Qassam rocket was fired at Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries were reported.[233]
Though a ceasefire has been declared starting 09:00 P.M. that night, two rockets were fired after that time. No injures were reported.[234]
[235]
August 22
During night, a rocket was fired at the city of Ashkelon and was intercepted by the Iron Dome defense system.[236]
Another rocket was fired early morning at Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries were reported.[237]
At night, a Qassam rocket was fired at Ashkelon and landed in an open area. No injuries were reported.[238]
A rocket fired at Hof Ashkelon Regional Council landed near greenhouses and started a fire. No injuries were reported.[239]
Another rocket landed in Hof Ashkelon Regional Council just before midnight.[240]
August 24
Palestinians fired more than 20 rockets on Israeli communities. Grad rockets fell on the cities of Beersheba, Ashkelon and Ofakim, injuring a 9-month-old baby. Israel responded with airstrikes, killing a senior Palestinian Islamic Jihad operative invlolved in a recent terrorist shooting attack on Israel.[241][242]
August 25
Palestinians fired at least 15 rockets and mortars at Israel.[243] Details of the attacks:
Five Qassam rockets were fired at the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.
Four Qassam rockets were fired at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injuries or damage were reported.
A Grad rocket fell in an open area near Ashkelon, without causing injuries or damage.
A Palestinian mortar shell caused extensive damage to the Erez Crossing Terminal, which is frequently used by Palestinians to enter Israel for medical treatments.[244]
Israel responded with airstrikes on several targets in the Gaza Strip, killing two Palestinian Islamic Jihad militants involved in the attack against the Erez Crossing Terminal.[245][246]
August 26
At about 3 pm, Palestinians fired a Grad rocket at Ashkelon, despite a ceasefire announced by Palestinian Islamic Jihad the previous day. Shortly after 10 pm, two Qassam rockets were fired at the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. No injuries were reported in either incident. The leftist Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for two attacks on Ashkelon.[243][247]
August 27
A Qassam rocket fell in the Negev. No injuries or damage were reported.[248]
August 28
A Grad rocket fired was fired at Hatzerim in the Bnei Shimon Regional Council, near Beersheba. After nightfall, a Qassam rocket was fired at the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council. No injures were reported in either attack. Tawhid wal-Jihad claimed responsibility for both.[249][250][251]
August 29
A Qassam rocket was fired at the Eshkol Regional Council. No injures or damage were reported. Tawhid wal-Jihad claimed responsibility.[250][252]
August 31
Two Qassam rockets hit the Eshkol Regional Council. No injures or damage were reported.[253]
[edit]September
September 5
A rocket fell in an open area in the western Negev. There were no casualties or damage. [254]
If they were better shots, there wouldn’t be any Israelis left to retaliate.
No wonder Israel checks every ship entering Gaza.
Try that with almost any other country and Gaza would be hit like the US hit Baghdad at the start of the war. I would say that Israel is exercising great restraint. Since the end of Operation Cast Lead, 548 rockets and 356 mortar shells have been fired into Israel.
You can see why Israel might get a bit annoyed.
Maybe you would feel better if Israel simply lobbed one rocket into Gaza for each one they receive. An eye for an eye – that would be fair, eh?
God should approve of that, right?
Personally, i think that might be a good idea. Maybe then the peace-loving citizens of Gaza might be able to convince their crazy cousins to stop firing rockets and start growing food instead.
Yeah, like that’s gonna happen…
James et al,
I thought that you and others might like to read this article from the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=237670
It describes Turkey’s intent to send three warships to confront Israeli vessels in international waters and protect supply ships sent to Gaza. The turkish prime minister said that he saw “grounds for war” with the Gaza supply ship incident last year.
Hopefully this is just saber-rattling, but it might be the prelude to something much more ominous.
Blessings,
Abel
I’ve heard about this and I’m going to watch it carefully. I’ve know for many years that Turkey will go to war against Israel eventually, until recently the two were friendly, but now, it is starting to look like they will become adversaries, just as the bible predicts.
We shall soon see.
yup
I agree with turkey.. watch the authority and terror that comes out of there.
Click to access 4th-beast-web-4-mt.pdf
also:
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/4-horses-%E2%80%93-4-horns-%E2%80%93-4-beasts-of-zechariah-and-revelation/
James et. al.,
I found a website that I think might interest everyone. I found many (though not all) of the points that its’ author made to be compelling. He is quite well-spoken and informed. It certainly is worth a look.
http://www.666truth.org/history/usa-in-bible-prophecy.aspx
Hope you enjoy it.
Many blessings.
Abel
Well, there are some who feel the Islamic caliphate would fit what this preacher is saying fits the US. I think he makes some good points, but it is quite a stretch.
The US is losing influence. People are not looking to her to police the world, more and more they are resenting her military intrusions to bring about what she thinks should happens, viewing them as bullying.
Revelation was written about the world at that time, which wouldn’t have included North America. However the economic system, which the US partakes in, seems to be described in prophecy.
Maria,
I agree the U.S. should mind its own business when it come to many world affairs. The vast majority of the wars that we have fought were not about ideologies (stopping genocide, etc.), they were fought to protect the economic interests of the monetary kings that rule here. Thus a search for Osama bin Laden who was in Afganistan (a country with no oil), became a war on Iraq (a country with lots of oil). And of the countries in the Middle East that wish to free themselves from tyrants, none of the oil-poor states have received U.S. aid, but Libya, an oil-rich state, has received plenty.
I will not single out the U.S. on this however, this is the way of Man. Greed motivates nearly every action they take. Though cancer can currently be cured with cheap, non-patentable medicines, mainstream medical science awaits until expensive patentable analogs of these drugs can be developed before it will save any lives using the mechanism upon which these medications are based.
Money is the root of all evil. It has always been this way. Only God’s kingdom will change that.
Blessings,
Abel
You know, for a long time everyone has been saying we only invaded Iraq because they have oil, yet we don’t get any of our oil from them and we have never made them pay us war reparations in oil or anything else, We’ve spent a fortune on their country and will soon be out of there with nothing to show for it. The same holds true for Afghanistan. Nothing to do with oil. As soon as we leave the Taliban will return and warlords will rule again. You can’t make a silk purse from a sows ear and you can make a democracy out of a Muslim country.
These wars were simply a reaction to being attacked. A gesture of self-defense. A big mistake as far as I’m concerned. An even bigger waste of money that has nearly bankrupted our country. If these wars were for economic gain, they certainly didn’t work. War is always more costly than whatever you get out of it, except in the old days when your private army could attack a desert caravan and steal all their wealth and take their women as slaves.
Now that was a pretty good deal.
Dear James,
I am sorry I should have been clearer. The U.S. as a nation has certainly paid dearly for every war that it has fought, both in lives lost and the vast quantities of money that our country has spent to fight them. I absolutely agree with you on that. I was not talking about the U.S. as a nation benefiting from these wars, I was talking about the companies and individuals that benefit from a wartime economy.
These are the companies that produce bullets, missiles, drones, helmets, etc. as well as those that sell oil and repair oil fields (like Halliburton) with no-bid contracts. These wealthy few are the ones the benefit from these wars. It is strange that during the course of the Bush administration, about 10% of the total oil consumed in the United States was being pumped into the ground as part of our strategic oil reserve and this was in addition to that purchased to fight in the Middle East. This was done even when gas hit $4.50 at gallon at the pumps (the Clinton administration pumped oil from this reserve when the price of oil spiked during his administration).
Though Cheney has managed to keep the transcripts of his secret meeting with oil industry representatives at the beginning of the Bush administration unpublished so far, I am certain one day the truth of what transpired in that meeting will be revealed. I personally find the enforced secrecy damning. If they were proud of what they said and did I don’t believe it would be an issue.
Since it seems that we can count on crony capitalism from whatever president we elect, we should start voting for those that are backed by peace-time industries, like health care, labor unions, agriculture and universities. It’s cheaper.
Just a thought.
Blessings,
Abel
Abel,
I agree that countries have gone to war over resources. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in Dec. 1941 because it only had a 9 month supply of oil for it’s navy so it had to take out the US navy fast and early if it wanted to continue to take over the western Pacific. I believe that WW3 will be fought over oil, when OPEC cancels oil shipments to the EU and sells the oil to China instead. Mid-East oil is peaking about now and it will begin to decline in the future. This means that if China wants to keep growing at its current rate it will have to “steal” oil from other countries, and OPEC will favor China over Europe at that time.
This also fits prophecy, but it will likely happen even if the prophecy is BS.
James,
I just came across this story. I thought I would share it with you.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-256711-israel-keeps-electronic-aviation-systems-purchased-by-turkey.html
I am glad that now that Turkey and Israel are at the brink of war they have decided to quit selling them weapons and repairing the ones they have. I wonder if they will be so prudent in the future?
Take care,
Abel
It’s the same lesson Saddam Hussein learned when he tried to rebuild Babylon even though he knew the bible said it would never rise again…
You can’t thwart prophecy even if you rule a kingdom…
Religion is based on faith. Faith is subjective. There can be no one true religion. Is there one true God? I believe so.
However, I am certain that there are many paths to reaching it. There is no one right path, just as there are no two people who can see the world is the exact same way.
As long as we strive to climb the mountain, which side we take is irrelevant. 🙂
hi grey
Actually, the path you take does make a difference. It is an illusion that all paths lead to the same place.
Faith should not be subjective. It should be based on the proven Word of God. God has proven himself, and so it is important to go by what he says.
Jesus was sent by God to mankind, to be the “way” to the Father in heaven.
Jesus proved himself, and who he was. Other religions cannot do that.
Jesus said that no one could come to the Father except by him.
It is important to consider his words.
I hope you do.
Do not look at the behavior of man, but at the words of God.
Man and his opinion cannot save anyone, but Jesus can.
May God bless you.
Ah, that sounds nice but if you read and know the Bible well, you would probably be astonished at how accurate it’s prophesies are. Many of them used to sound like fantastical myths, but not so much anymore, which is a litlle scary but those that are ready to meet God and deal with the outcome of prophecy are ok. God’s wil, will prevail, whether we like it or not and whether we believe it or not. But WWIII will come about because of what Muslims believe. Convert them or kill them as they have done in countless countries so far.
dude, please learn al qur’an first before making any justification, it is better to learn and understand it by yourself rather than quoting it from malicious website..
How sure are you that the proclaim muslim website is written by a muslim and if the website is true written by a muslim, how sure are you that what he says is based on what is written in the holy qur’an.. and he understand it..
the holy quran is different from others, soo it is better for you to understand it by your self before make any statement..the knowledge of god is not something that we can analyze and interpret with our puny human brains.. so rather than analyzing it is better to understand and think
i quoted from somebody:
1) 666 is not a holy number in Islam… what nonesense… and pretty much all that preacher said is ridiculous. and what the Al Qaeda and Taliban is doing is sooo anti-Islamic and against Islam, and what the Prophet (peace be upon him) did. Btw just in case you didn’t know – Muslims also believe in Jesus (peace be upon him) as a Messenger and Prophet, ..we believe God is One, and does not beget nor is begotten, does need a son or etc.. He is God, He is Self-Sufficient, and Our Creator
2) Yes Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) married Aisha, who was 9 years old.
I would like to mention a few things here. we have to understand the context of time when many of the Prophets that both Christians and Muslims believe in.
Secondly, in Islam, you become responsible once you hit puberty. and many years ago ppl were wayy more mature than nowadays…seriously today youth are made to remain irresponsible and immature by society or whatever it is.. but back then 14 year olds would be in armies, 12 year olds would be leading prayers.. so you have to understand, back then how mature a 9 year old would be… of coursethey are youth and still energetic, playful, etc.. but at the same time, they were responsible and mature…like probably back then 9 years old would have the maturity of the 20 year olds of the 21 st century
Thirdly, one of the beautiful things Islam introduced was that women could not be forced to marry…no matter what the parents say or what… this is Islam..ignore wht some cultures do. Her parents asked Aisha if she wanted to marry and she agreed. and there were many women at the wedding all who could have said something against the marriage…but as we can see..it was normal for a girl to get married at that age
also Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) became a great scholar of Islam…she was young and learned so much and was one of the greatest narrators of hadith (sayings of the Prophet peace be upon him)…so her youth benefitted and ppl came to ask her questions and learn even after the Prophet’s death (peace be upon him)
also we don’t see any hadith where Aisha or any of the Prophet’s wives complained about him and this is because how beautifully and gently and fairly he treated them all
Muslims always forget that there is still plenty of text and information from that time period and earlier. There is no medical texts or writtings of girls that young reaching puberty. There were plenty of physicians notes and books from the time. Even if she had a period that young, she was of the mindset of a child as in her words; playing with dolls, etc. Little girls dream of getting married all the time, it is up to the parents to have common sense to not let it happen. But they were all convinced that her marriage to Mohammed would be beneficial. You are stretching it too far to say that she or any other 9 yr old had the maturity of a 20 yr. old. That is laughable that so many of you believe it. Mohammed’s version of Jesus is whack. He taught that he was born of a virgin but not divine? Will come again to judge all Mankind but not devine? God the Creator can beget a Son if He wishes even if the weirdo Mohammed couldn’t believe it. The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are one. Mohammed even admitted that he was tormented by demons and what he wrote was against God. How can you read the haddith and even think anything in it was beautiful. I read it and it is sick and disgusting. It is an oxymoron phrase to say that you can treat multiple wives well, because to treat a wife well means that she is the only one that you give yourself to. All were treated badly because they were just one of 9 or 11 depending on which Muslim you talk to. There were divorces in there also and what about the commands of wife beating and such. How disgusting is that? It also goes on about him fondling his wives while on their periods, how he prefered a girl’s genitals to be cut, sex with a dead woman (so that she would have the benefit of being a prophets wife in paradise-what a crock of $#!&). Muslims try to justify all kinds of weird crap, but for your arguement that at that time a 9 yr old had the maturity of a 20 yr. old is just ludicrous. The actual number 666 in Islam is not what the writer was refering to. You need to pay attention.
Hi to all. I am a Christian, and as such I believe that everyone has the right to chose the religous path they wish to take in life. God Almighty allows us free choice, and we should all respect the fact that He does. That doesn’t mean to say that God is necessarilly happy with the choices that we make in life, but He allows us the total freedom to do so. We are answerable to God alone if we mess up, especially if we know we have had an opportunty to repent, and we chose not to. Thanks be to Jesus Christ alone for making forgiveness possible. It’s because of Jesus Christ that God (when judgement comes) will not see our sins, provided we have accept in faith, the sacrificial shed blood of Christ (our passover lamb), as a covering for our sins.
In many examples throughout history, religious leaderes have taken it upon themselves to apply what they consider to be the penal aspect of their beliefs, when it comes to what they consider to be wrong doing. The Lord Jesus gave us an example of leaving the matter of penalty to God at the judgement. Many from all religions both past and present, may have to answer to God for their judgement of fellow man, and the harsh penalties they would inflict upon others for not adhering to laws or codes which are deemed to be a part of their religous beliefs.
In the western world we have bishops and priests of pseudo Christianity, who are all too ready to bless the bomb, the bullet, and the bloodshed in the name of the international financiers..the God’s of a very different kind of profit. Men and women who bravely walk in the shadow of death, in the belief they are doing their duty for King/Queen and country, when it’s really for the international banking dynasties, who capitalise out of bloodshed. On the other hand you have the radical Muslims who bey for the blood of those are considered infadels, and who are valued as less than dogs. Fanatical Islam also blesses the bomb, the bullet, and the bloodshed in the name of Allah. If a Christian turns his/her back on Christ, he/she is answerable to Christ. If a Muslim turns his/her back on Islam/Mohamet they are answerable to an Islamic Court and it makes judgement a matter for them.
This world certainly needs the Lord Jesus, the promised Messiah to return to this earth to set up the kingdom of God, when pseudo anything will be removed and destroyed. The Cristian belief is based purely on the Hebrew faith..the Old Testament is the New Testament contained, and the New Testament is the Old Testament explained..they fit together in perfect harmony, with Jesus written in symbol or type or fact on every page of the bible. The book of Revelation is a concentration of prophetic symbols concerning the unfinished business the Lord God has with the Jews who rejected their Messiah..Jesus Christ.
hi Hedley
I would agree with most of what you say.
However, there is nothing in the bible which says we permit civil disorder, chaos, and rampant evil. It says that those in civil authority are a terror to those who are evil, and it is their responsibility to protect civilians and keep peace. There are many accounts in the bible where God told Israel they would have to fight to keep what was given to them.
While cooperating with international bankers and financiers is a popular thought out there, America has to defend itself, both in defense mode and in a pre-emptive mode, to protect its citizens. Same is true for any country. Think of the stand Winston Churchill had to make in the last world war. Britain was being invaded by Nazis, and it was going to be bombed to death. His job was to fight back, to stop this incoming destruction. Would you say he was trying to make the bankers happy? I hope not. Millions of people’s lives were at stake.
This is the duty of government, and has been going on before there were banks, both in modern and ancient times.
Hi Marianne,
Thank you for your reply. Yes indeed, all governments are put in place by God, whether they are good or evil. Pharaoh king of Egypt was raised up for a purpose, and was then destroyed because he was evil. The civil authorities are there to do God’s Will..whatever that is, and as such we are commanded to pay our taxes for their administrative costs, as well as for the benefit of all if it is God’s Will.
Deut 32: 39-41 “See now that I, even I, am he,and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand….If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgement; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.” Deut 28 catalouges the blessings Israel would receive for obedience, and the cursings for disobedience. God has raised up many enemies against Israel for their mainly persistent disobedience throughout history Isa 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” Hitler was a very evil man, however, he served a purpose in God’s plan..in the same way that Nebuchadrezzar was when he was about to take the Jews into 70 years captivity!..Jer 25:9 “…and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof….”
Jesus also said Math 22:21 “…Render therefore unto Ceasar the things which are Ceasar’s; and unto God’s the things that are God’s.” All things said, God doesn’t condone injustice or corruption or warmongerers etc. In the case of usury Jesus displayed judgement to those who had coined the market and turned a place of worship into a bank. In the case of wars, who is to say which side is doing God’s Will i.e USA; China; Russia; Israel etc. We have to remain impartial and listen to the words of Jesus Jn 18:36 “…My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight; that I should not be delivered unto the Jews…” Those who claim to be Christian (or any person for that matter) and yet holds the sword to his fellow man are anathema to God.
Just a few things about the international bankers…moneychangers! Don’t get me wrong..I’m not taking sides..just an observer with Christian responsibilities to point things out the way they are. The Lord Jesus will have even bigger tables to overturn when he returns. Most people don’t realise the evil that money is responsible for. The few trillionaires such as the Rothschild’s who keep billions of people in poverty for their gain. Printing credit money out of nothing, then lending to governments and charging interest on it..with us the taxpayer paying for that interest..usury! The manipulation of the money markets..driving the markets down and buying at the short end, then driving the markets up and selling at the long end..usury! Look what the Rothschild’s have done in financing wars throughout history with their ill-gotton wealth, and charging interest on the loans for war machines, making war a very profitable business for them. The Zionist movement has been funded with this money, as well as the establishment of the nation of Israel.The global security fund established by Jacob Rothschild..doesn’t trade..not listed..blood money for finacing wars; terrorism; assinations etc. The tens of millions of people who have died in wars funded by the Rothschild and Rockefeller banking dynasties besides the assasinations of Abraham Lincoln; James Garfield; and JFK when they stood up to these corrupt people. Yet, it was God’s Will, and as such we have seen the nation of Israel re-established, and the fulfillment of bible prophecy because of corrupt people..God certainly does work in mysterious ways!
What we see with govenrments is just the tip of the iceberg. Governments are just the PR of the bankers. The bankers have the power to turn truths into lies, and lies into truths, and bamboozle us with conspiracy theories! The bankers are manipulating the politcs of the middle-east. They are attempting to create a common currency amongst at least five Arab states for the moment. They are trying to create democracies in the Arab world by taking control of Islam, so that Israel can live without walls or bars or gates in their version of secular heaven.
When they (Israel) say..”Peace and safety, then sudden destruction”. The nation of Israel has been allowed by God to return to their historical homeland in preperation to meet their Messiah..the Lord Jesus Christ. The problem is: the Jews will not readilly accept Jesus, and will have to go through much pain before they do. The ‘Peace Treaty’ will be Israel’s downfall. Israel is the woman riding the beast (the lion; the bear; the leopard and the ten toes/horns..10 Arab peoples of Ps 83). Secualr Israel is the Harlot, (Isa 1:21 “How is this faithful city become an harlot”) who through her Zionist bankers has caused the kings of the earth (the nations of the seas i.e.goyim) to fornicate with her, and who will watch the smoke of her burning when the calamity desribed in Rev 18:18 befalls her. Israel who makes a peace treaty with Islam, on the basis that she can control it through financial entrapment, (like she has the rest of us) will be the very irony that brings about a time of trouble..Dan12:1. Just as Eve was deceived by the serpent, so the woman (Israel) again will be deceived by the Islimists who offer her peace either directly or through a broker or jointly. All of this ties up with the one remaining week (7 year period in which the peace covenant is broken) of the seventy weeks prophecy of Dan 9.
It seems that it’s in the purpose of God to use Islam as the means to test the faith of Christians, and to attempt to destroy the nation of Israel. We can only pray for God’s people Israel and for the peace of Jerusalem. Also, that the days ahead will be shortened for the sake of God’s elect.
Hi to all again. Didn’t have time to post all that was on my mind the other day. Wanted to give an example of how the Rothschilds (international banking dynasty possibly worth 3-400 trillion £’s) have funded different sides to achieve their political aims. More importantly, its how they have unwittingly fulfiiled prophecy.
During the first world war, the Germans were winning up until the USA was brought into it. The only reason the USA was brought into that war, was to secure the land of Palestine for the Zionists, and hence the Balfour Declaration was signed. The German Zionists put pressure on their American counterparts, to persuade the president at that time (was it Wilson?..cant remember) to help the Brits, provided they relinquished their hold over Palestine, in return for financial help to win the war etc. The Balfour Declaration paved the way forward to the re-establishment of the nation of Israel.
The Rothschild’s actually funeded the Nazi regime prior to the outbreak of war between Brtain and Germany. Thought I saw an item of news a few weeks ago, stating that old FBI files had been made public showing that was indeed the case. Actually, Germany at one time had been the safest place on earth for Jews to live, until the American Rothschild’s forced the administration to slap an embargo on Germany, which almost brought it to the point of starvation. It was at that point in time Hiltler took it out on the Jews..wrong move I know, but still in God’s plan. The Rothschild’s also funded the Russian Revolution through London based banks, and 70 million people died as a consequence of that.
Most people don’t realise that the IMF, the BIS (sister bank to the IMF) Bank of International Settlements, also known as the Central Bank of Cental Banks, as well as all of the Central Banks in the world apart from a few countries are privately owned..guess who owns them! The BIS deals only in gold..gold standard..perhaps that’s where all of your gold from Fort Knox disappeared to, which was stolen by legislation from Americans in the frist place..and who made the legislation..guess who! King Soloman recieved 666 talents of gold in the course of one year. The gold standard was being set in London by the Rothschilds every day until fairly recently. They claim not to be setting the standard any longer, however, they have agents to do that for them now..but it’s still them..don’t be deceived. The currencies of the world are being controlled by the gold standard. The beast is a trading entity that makes many rich through commerce. The beast as represented by Daniel’s image, is stood upon the land of Israel when Jesus Christ returns..strikes the feet. The beast is being supported from the feet upwards, as well as controlled from the bridle down, by the whore..Israel/Zionism. It’s Zionism which is giving power unto the beast. The Zionist bankers are the invisible government, who through finance will try to entrap Islam in order to control it by democracy, in return for peace. Do you know there is loads more of this stuff..so much of it in the bible and on record, it’s a job to know where to start or indeed finish!!!
hi hedley
I know it is a popular trend, but zionism did not originate with the Rothchilds. It originated with God himself. How human events unfold still all reflect his plan for the jews to be brought back to their homeland.
So zionism is not an evil plot. It is a divine plan. Both the evil and the good play a part. Israel belongs back in the land, and so zionism is just the return of the jews to Israel to fulfill prophecy.
Israel is not there to harm anyone, but to live out its days and meet its Messiah. It has been trying to do so in peace, but has been constantly attacked since day one by its enemies. It gives away ladn for peace, but its enemies do not want peace. Only its destruction.
Zionism will be complete when Jesus the Messiah returns. Then Israel will have its land secure, and its enemies will be conquered forever.
Give away land for peace? compare the borders when it was first granted space in Palestine to now.
Zionism is an evil, evil plot. However, God will use it to his good. God never condones sin. He doesn’t “allow” it. It always displeases him. However, he can turn things around to the good.
Prophecy isn’t God sitting down and writing out the game plan. He is just telling the world that the road it is headed down will end up in disaster, until he comes to save what is left, before it is all destroyed.
But don’t kid yourself, all the war and savagery and massacre and greed and looting by the big bankers is from Satan himself, not from God. To say otherwise is to contradict Scripture and make God full of evil and manipulative. God never changes, he is just and perfectly holy, incapable of both sinning or condoning sin. The end does NOT justify the means.
hi Maria
Originally all of Israel ( Palestine) and modern Jordan belonged to the Jews, according to the Balfour declaration in 1917. Piece by piece, it was taken away and given to its enemies.
Jordan was created as the Palestinian state, but many refused to move, and wanted Israeli land instead. So now today, the Palestinians want ALL of the land and ALL of the Jews dead.
The land never belonged to the Palestinians. It belonged to the British before it was transferred legally to the Jews as a homeland.
There would have been a greater Jewish presence in the 1920s and 1930s but the Muslims in Palestine worked with Hitler to ban immigration, so that they could keep ( steal) the land and force the Jews to die in the holocaust.
Now, THAT is evil.
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People need to do their research. Your claims here do not stand up.
Absolutely true and I completely agree. Not to mention that Israel is only about 0.01% of the land that Muslims want, but because of their evil hatred, they want all Jews dead. Then they come for the Christians next. Also it was a veritable wasteland but within the last 70 years it has become green and blossomed into what was prophesied and all the world said it was a myth that that could ever happen.
Hi Maria,
As mentioned on other posts Zionism means different things to different people. Secular Zionism, where there is political ambition to control the world’s finances, as well as you and me through entrapment to their credit money, is very much a part of the “beast” personality. There is a very strong link between the “beast” which arises out of the sea (sea meaning the nations..the goyim..or gentiles..Arabs), and secualr Zionism which is depicted by the “whore” who is controlling the affairs of the “beast”. The second beast seems to be another symbol for the whore or secular Zionism. The symbols in Revelation are describing the different characters on the world’s stage prior to Christ’s second coming, as well as their varying and perhaps overlapping roles.
Unfortunately, I have been accused of making disparaging statements against Israel and the Jews of whom it’s considered have done nothing wrong. Although there are many Jews who haven’t aligned themselves with secular Zionsim, I have considered it wrong to make a political stance alongside the kind of Zionism, which is responsible for much of the world’s current problems, whether it’s wars; terrorism; famine; through financial exploits which gain them the political and economic advantage, and which disavantages the ordinary person. Wickedness that makes war a business..as through the global securities fund (established by Jacob Rothschild..a secular Zionist) whose blood money amounts to approximately 50 trillion dollars (I said £’s in an earlier post but I meant dollars) for the sole purpose of state sponsored murder. Look on the internet for Rothschild’s etc, and you will find out the things they don’t want you to know. There are some people who really do know how the secular Zionists operate, and who have had dealings with them and their associates, and whose consciences have been so disturbed by their findings, they feel it necessary to make it public.
Just a few words about evil..a concordance has been of great help to me. Evil as in Isa 45:7 “I form the light and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” In this context evil means to cause trouble..it’s the opposite to peace. In other words there is no rest for the wicked so to speak.
hedley
Zionism (establishment of Israel as a nation) and the world economy are not related.
Your logic is faulty.
It is like saying that since Hitler was white, that white people are Nazis.
Firstly, your two comments are illogical since political Zionsm which has funded modern day Israel, is linked to the world’s finances and economies..there is manifold documented evidence to show that this is the case. Personally, I have put my suspicion of such facts to banking operatives of JP Morgan Chase, who without exception have confirmed my thoughts.
Secondly, whilst I can prove you wrong on the first point, I would actually agree with you that as Hitler was white, it doesn’t reason that all white people are Nazis. In the same way that Hitler had two divisions of Arabs on his side, doesn’t make all Arabs Nazis either. I heard someone say on the TV a few years ago that “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.” There are many terrorist organisations in the world..some hardly known about, and all of them I suppose feel disinfranchised, and have a grievance about some issue or another. The political Zionists had there own terrorist organisations such as the Irgun fighters etc. I read a very interesting book some years ago about the Zionist struggles to create a homeland of their own called “Days of Fire” by Samuel Katz. It’s easy to make sweeping statements without reference to the facts!!!
On Dec 19th 1891, a British newspaper called the “Labour Leader” wrote the following article: “This blood-sucking crew has been the cause of untold mischief and misery in Europe during the present century, and has piled up its prodigous wealth chiefly through fomenting wars between States which ought never to have quarreled. Wherever there is trouble in Europe (in todays world it’s global), wherever rumours of war circulate and mens minds are distraught with fear of change or calamity you may be sure that a hook-nosed Rothschild is at his games somewhere near the region of the disturbance.”
Pure Zionism as apposed to apostate Zionists is without question an act of YHWH. There is no question in my mind that pure Zionism is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy. I suppose, in one sense it deosn’t matter how or by whom modern day Israel came to be, it’s sufficient to know that YHWH’s unfolding plan and purpose for the Jews is unfolding before our very eyes, and as such we can all give glory to YHWH. After all it is for YHWH’s glory that He is seen to be true and faithful, so that everyone (Jew and Gentile) might be persauded to believe and trust in Him. The problem is that political/apostate Zionists only believe in their own strenght, giving credit only to themselves for their achivements. It’s a matter of differentiating between true Zionism, and political Zionists who trash YHWH’s laws, and reject the law of Christ.. i.e. love. Therefore, it is impossible to reconcile pure Zionism which is from the Almighty, and apaostate/political Zionism, which stems from secular Zionists..they are not one and the same thing, and are diametrically opposed to each other, but therein lies another irony.
The real danger in all of this is: one of politicising Christianity in favour of supporting Jewish secularism which is what political Zionism is. Before you tell me otherwise, I was once instructed that this is the case, by someone who had a fairly high rank in the Israeli security services, who had worked closely with the UN, and who was a staunch political Zionist. Furthermore, he despised the religous Zionists. If we are to maintain our Christian integrity regarding Christ’s law of love, then we will ally ourselves in support of those whose actions disregard Christ, although we should earnestly pray for them to come to Jesus.
Rom 2: 28-29 “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”
The land of Israel has been set aside for those who share in the faith of Abraham i.e. those who are in Christ..not the political Zionists who in unbelief do all the things that unbelievers do, in their world of international finance, and who through their government agents sponsor some of the worst atrocities against their fellow man, purely for financial gain.
Just to correct a mistake in paragraph 5..”…then we WILL not ally ourselves in support of those of those whose actions disregard Christ…”
you are confusing secular Judaism and politics with zionism and banking.
Just because rothchild happened to support the establishment of Israel, does not mean it is a zionist banker conspiracy, and that any secular jew is a political conspirator and a rich banker.
also just because the religious jews annoy the secular ones does not mean that the secular ones are the only ones whose “actions disregard Christ.”
the same can be said for many relgious jews, muslims, palestinians, and many christians.
Hi Marianne,
I think you have been slightly misleading in your reply. I never mentioned secular Judaism, although I did mention secular/apostate Zionism..it seems to be part of your argument to use such terminolgy to cause confusion. Anyway, secular Judaism would seem to be a contradition in terms, in the same way that secular Christianity would be too! Mind you in an anything goes world, nothing would surprise me. Ah yes, secular Judaism or apostate Judaism..that’s it..mixed with a touch of nationalsm just about sums up Israel today. As such YHWH has dubbed political Zionism/nationalism the whore in Revelation!
Zionism is about a community of people called Zionists (not exclusively Jewish but mostly) who believe that Jews have a right to a homeland, which according to the bible is the land of Israel..their ancesteral birthright as a promise made to them by YHWH, and one which they will posses for ever. This belief is based on the promises given by YHWH to Abram Gen 12. Abram was blessed because he trusted in YHWH’s promises. But as mentioned in my earlier post Rom 2: 28-29 which tells us that the faith of Abraham, is evidensed in those who cross over from sin to salvation in Christ. It’s circumcision of the heart and not of the flesh..it’s always been that way..even for Abraham who looked forward to Christ’s day, in whom those promises have been sealed.
The return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland is a fulfilment of prophecy, and therefore the means whereby this has occured is imaterial. The Old Covenant has gone, and a New and better Covenant has superseded it in Christ’s blood..our passover Lamb. Of course, YHWH has not forgotton His chosen people the Jews, who are remembered for the sake of their ancestral fathers such as Abraham; Issac; and Jacob..Rom 11:28. It’s YHWH’s intention to bring the promised Kingdom to the Jews, and as such a remnant will be saved for the Age to come.
It’s good to be excited about the Jews having returned home to the land of Israel, however, let’s maintain our Christian perspective here, and not get into the realms of praising them for their politics and nationalism. We as Christians are pilgrims and sojourners in a world of unbelief, and it’s not for us to take sides..not even with Zionism as a political entity. It’s YHWH’s perogative to chose whomever He wants to do His Will, but it’s not ours to salute them should they disregard YHWH’s laws, in order to achieve it. It is sufficient for us to have faith and to be still, and observe the Hand of YHWH at work with His people, and to act as watchmen in sounding the trumpet heralding Christ’s imminent return.
Zionism has become much more than a claim on their ancestral homeland, and one which has developed into trans-nationalism; globalisation; and usury through monopolies and control of politics and finance. The whole global system is riddled with Political Zionism which has spread abroad via various agencies e.g Mossad; CIA; MI6 etc which all comes under the umbrella of political Zionism of one kind or another.
As you so rightly say, it’s not only Jews who trash YHWH’s laws, and show total diregard for Christ’s law of love. Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet, but not as a Saviour..as is true of all people outside of the Christian faith. Sadly, even Christians let the side down, and we all do on occasions because of human nature. However, because of the cleansing blood of Christ, which purifies us from all sin provided we are truly repentant, it is therefore unique.
zionism has nothing to do with global finance. There is no effort of Israel to take over the world.
Hi Marianne,
I did try to reply sooner, however, my PC had a slight problem.
You have stated that Zionism has nothing to do with global finance. There seems to be enough evidence from historical records, as well as communications that Zionism and global finance is linked. OK, so let me put it another way..global finance has something to do with political Zionism! The Rothschilds and Rockefellars have contributed heavily to the cause of Zionism, and therefore the world of finance which both parties control is interwoven with the politics of Zionism..they are inseperable! In fact the Rothschilds once said (I paraphrase)..own nothing control everything. Theodore Herzl who held the first Zionist Congress in Basle around 1896/97 was an agent of the Rothschilds. 1 Tim 6:10 “For the love of money is the root of ALL evil….” Therefore, the love of money is synonymous with evil, and therefore it goes without saying, that all enterprises steming from the worship of money is likely to be bear the hallmark of the very same evil.
The problem in all of this, is the belief that money can achieve anything and everything. To assume that one can control the world by financial entrapment, and use that same power to presume a right of ownership over the Holy Land. The Holy Land, and Jerusalem is not up for grabs by those who feel they can take possession of it by political intrigue or machinations, and hold onto it by aggression..whoever they are. So many different religous groups (Coptics; Greek Authodox; Ethiopian Authodox; Mulims; and yes..Jews!) believe the Holy Land belongs to them as a right..it doesn’t. The Holy Land was promised to Abraham and his seed i.e. Jesus Christ. Gal 3:7 “know ye thereforethat they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.” When the Pharisees had claimed Abraham as their father, it was on the basis of the flesh and not by faith..it was a presumption. Gal 3:26 “For ye are all the children of God by faith (the faith of Abraham) in Christ Jesus. The inheritance promised to Abraham was to the faithful..both Jew and Gentile..it’s a free gift..you can’t buy it!!!
Of course, YHWH states that the Jews are beloved for the sake of the fathers. As such there will be a small number of Jews who will show the same faith around the time of Jacobs trouble when their hearts will be turned back to the fathers/the faith of Abraham. Presumption is a dangerous place to be with YHWH, before whom we all must walk circumspectly.
http://www.henrymakow.com/perfidy_the_story_the_zionists.html
You need to read this.
here are the original boundaries
The current residents of the “Palestinian” areas are refugees from the surrounding arab nations….they were trouble so the other countries kicked them out….now they are trouble in Israel… yassar arafat was egyption, not palestinian…etc.
these arab immigrants into israel came there looking for jobs after Israel was created and became successful ……the land was barren and was barely inhabited at the beginning of the 1900s….the “palestinians” were poor and uneducated and had not job skills…they depended on the Israelis for education, medical care, and job training….which still goes on today……once Yassar arafat came in, the trouble started and terrorism against initiated…….it has been that way ever since…this was in addition to the 5 arab nation attack againstg Israel in 1948 and 1967………
none of the land ever belonged to the Palestinians….it belonged to the Turks for 400 years, and then the British…..like I said, the place was barren and hardly inhabited during that time.
There wer very few jews and arabs living there…….the arabs finally outnumbered the jews by blocking immigration during the 20s and 30s so that hitler could kill the jews.
The Israelis do not violate anyone’s rights…they just fight to defend themselves from arab aggression and have repeatedly given away land for peace.
The palestinians are not innocent…they are quite evil and mentally disturbed. The ancient phillistines were always considered god’s enemies, which is why God told the Israelites to kill them all.
Only if these arab people turn away from their violent hate, lies, and terrorism and accept Jesus as their savior will they ever have a chance.
Jesus is coming back for the jews as Messiah. He can come back for them too, if they stop their hate and propaganda campaigns and learn to live in peace with Israel.
that is just hate propaganda
Hi to Marianne and to all..greetings in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Please don’t misunderstand me..I am not anti semetic or anti Zionist. If my child is in the wrong, or myself for that matter, then either my child or myself, have to own up to those wrongs rather than lie to conceal those wrongs..it’s all about truth.
You are right in saying that Zionism didn’t start with the Rothschilds, and I never said that it did. There are many different forms of Zionism, and the Rothschilds is just one of them! We have to realise that YHWH had many issues (that’s anunderstatement) with His chosen people the Jews. The Jews were chosen to be a light in a dark world of sin, to show the world how YHWH wanted others to live, and to give glory to His name YHWH. The parables were aimed primarily (although they are there for our benefit too) at the Jews. YHWH had sent many prophets to His people to plead with them to get back on track, and to be a Holy Nation of priests who would witness to that very glory in the Highest. Unfortunately, the Jews (in the main) proved to be a stiffnecked people, and so it remains to this very day. Finally, YHWH sent His only Son, as one last opportunity to plead with His people to listen to Him. Malachi 3: 1-2 “Behold I will send my messanger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messanger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth.” When news came that the long promised Messiah had been born in Bethlehem in the days of Herod..Herod was troubled “and ALL Jerusalem with him.” The people who had said they desired the Day of the Lord, were troubled by the fact that he had arrived!
The Lord Jesus Jn ch 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” Of course the Jews eventually murdered the Son of YHWH. A very chilling self indictment ensued..Math ch 27:25 “Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and our children.” Believe you me, the prophecies suggest that the time of Jacob’s touble, will make the holocaust look like a minor kinder garten scuffle. unfaithful Israel continues today, and has manifested itself in varying forms of Zionism of which we will endevour to unmask. I will attempt to do this on a seperate post.
hi hedley
I agree with the ancient scriptures about the state of Israel at the time, but I would not confuse ancient Israel with modern Israel. The Jews were very traumatized by the holocaust, and there is a very large portion of Jews that have been faithful to God for many centuries. Assuming modern Israel is a pagan, idol worshiping state would be a mistake. Zionism has nothing to do with paganism or unbelief on the part of Israel, or anyone who helped Jews to get to their homeland.
Well, where to start with Zionism, and what does it exactly mean? Zionism means different things to different people. So, are we speaking the same language here, or not as the case may be.
I suppose in one sense it helps by starting with the Phaisees and Saducees, who thought they had a claim on the land of Israel (the Hope of Israel) and salvation, on the basis that Abraham was their father. However, the unfaithful (both Jew & Gentile) will never enter into the land of promise. The wilderness journey during the Exodus, equates to our wilderness journey as pilgrims in Gentile times. One can only claim to be a true decendant of Abraham by faith, not by circumcision of the flesh. The land of Israel doesn’t ultimately belong to secular Israel, anymore than it belongs to the Arabs/Palestinians, rather it belongs to Christ whose right it is to be the King of Israel, and his bride..the New Jerusalem.
Natural Israel, are back in the land as promised by YHWH, but not for their benefit necessarilly, it’s to show all of us (Jew included of course) that YHWH is faithful and true, so that all of mankind might be persuaded to give YHWH the glory and the praise. No greater glory and praise can be given to YHWH, than for individuals to accept Christ as their Saviour. The greatest danger for us as Christians, is to stand alongside Israel in a nationalistic way, and patronise their misdeeds as well as their anti Christ stance, for which they have blood on their hands. That’s not to say that people aren’t well intended when they patronise natural Israel. After all, when Israel is the living proof of prophecy fulfilled, and we witness the hand of YHWH in their ahievements, it’s ever so easy to get politically involved. The arguments about whose land it is, and where the Palestinians came from (Jordan originally) is both pointless, and futile. Will we be disappointed when things suddenly turn bad for Israel. Will our faith waver when the helping-hand of YHWH, is withdrawn from Israel until they repent.
Of course, the holocaust was terrible which was of a brutality that makes one weep. Jesus wept in the knowledge that Israel was going to suffer in AD 70. The Jews are going to suffer again before they accept Christ, when Jerusalem will be overturned a third time. Only when the Jew has humbled him/herself and cry out “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord” will YHWH rescue them..they will be few in number.
Hi Marianne,
Without wanting to bore the socks of you..just a bit more about Zionism. Whilst I am in agreement with you that Zionism didn’t either start or finish with the Rothschilds, they did have a lot of influence over modern Zionism, and have played the biggest part in it in modern times, allbeit behind the scenes.
Some commentators have stated that modern Zionism started in France with Rabbi Zevi back in 1791. Sabbatai Zevi was a false Messiah, who claimed to be the promised saviour of the Jews, and had been sent to establish the Jewish kingdom in the land then known as Palestine. Zevi was a highly controversial figure who trashed the Talmud, and viewed the Commandments of YHWH with contempt. Zevi actively encouraged his fellow Jews to do exactly the opposite of what YHWH commanded them to do. Zevi taught that sin and guilt were no more, and that the Commandments were therefore null and void. Zevi’s movement gained momentum which eventually lead to the emancipation of many Jews throughout central europe. However, it has to be recognised that political Zionism was already there in europe with the Rothschilds, and various moneychangers before them. Aaron of Lincoln had become a threat Henry the 1st (not entirely sure if it was Henry 1st but it was one of the medieval Kings) who had become more wealthy than the King of England. Aaron of Lincoln was chaging the status quo of English politics with his finacial influence, and was told to pach his bags and go in the direction of europe!
The many different forms of Zionism include socialist Zionism as with Ber Borochov; religous Zionsim as with Rabbi Kook; revisionist nationalists as with Jabotinsky; cultural Zionism as with Asher Ginsberg; and last but by no means least political/financial Zionism as with the Rothschild’s and affiliates. Zionism has eveolved and assumed many different titles and flavours depending on their country of origin, as well as the intellectual/politcal currents of those nations. Therefore, no single person or publication; quote or pronouncement, should be understood as embodying “official” Zionist ideology.
The danger as already mentioned in my previous post: is that we glory in the achievements of secular Israel who in their present state of unbelief, do all the things that unbelievers do, whose lifestyles are anethema to YHWH..not least because in the main they are currently anti-Christ. Jesus detected a sense of nationalism amongst the disciples, when they remarked on the fine buildings that stood out large and proud, matched equally by the large and proud heart of the nation’s own achievements. Jesus said of those buildings that not one stone would be left upon another..Zionism was in the nations psyche even then!
hedley
You have a perverted and extremely erroneous view of scripture, god’s view of Israel and biblical prophecy.
Israel has done nothing wrong to merit such disparagement and Zionism is a pure effort of god.
God will judge the nations as to how they treated Israel at Christ’s return, and will make an end to any nation who has made them suffer, either physically or through slander.
The Jews are in the land to benefit them. they deserve to be there.
Stop reading garbage on the internet written by bloodthirsty, demon driven enemies of Israel.
Hi All …
Mark of The Beast is 666, 6+6+6=18, A1H8 is A.H. initials, of for example Adolf Hitler, and german currency was named DEUTSCHE MARK, so, but my fathers name initials are also A.H., and we live in 3roomed flat on the 6th floor so 666 number, and me was born in year count of 19, 1+9+7+2, my fathers name forms WORD of HUM-AN, which is mentioned in apocalypse of John Divine. So I am the Son Of HumAn
Peter
Playing with numbers will not give you truth. Read the bible, especially Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation. we are all humans. People’s initials do not matter. What does matter is whether you have the protection of Jesus in the dangerous days ahead of us.
Hi Marianne,
First of all it has to be said: there is nothing more perverse than a false prophet! Just read Jer 23:14 “I have seen in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing…they strengthen the hands of eveildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the habitants thereof as Gomorrah.” It seems there are people in todays world who would strengthen the hands of evildoers, even if it’s merely condoning the actions of those who live contrary to the Laws of God, and the love of Christ!!!
Math 27 v’s 19 & 24. The Lord Jesus was put to death at the request of the Jews. Even Pontious Pilot washed his hands of Christ’s fate, and Pilot’s wife sent a message to him that she had been troubled in a dream over Jesus being an innocent man. Such was the urgency of her dream, that she pleaded with Pilot not to have anything to do with the anti Christ’s request..the Jews who bayed for his blood! Of course, YHWH continues to want to save the nation of Israel from their enemies, but only once they have recognised their anti-Christ mentality. Why is that Zech 14:1-2 “Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be devided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.”
So you think things have changed with modern day Zionism, and you wish to take a political stance alongside their anti-Christ belligerence, and the Lord’s blood they have on their hands. The national guilt of Israel will not be removed until the Jews as a nation have accepted Christ as their Messiah..that’s not going to happen until their hardness of heart has been broken. The book of Revelation is a concentation of all the prophetic utterances of YHWH (which Jesus took from the prophecies) concerning the End Times, and how that will manifest itself concerning the nation of Israel, and the fate that awaits them. So, all we can do is pray in earnest for YHWH’s chosen people the Jews, but to applaud their unbelief and the actions eminating from unbelief is not the MARK of someone who claims to be on the Lord’s side.
Yes, Israel needs to be saved, but they have not done anything as a nation in modern times to deserve the slander against it and the political accusations of its demonic enemies.
zionism is an act of God.
Hedley, you accuse Israel of something that was an act of God…their failure to recognize Christ as Messiah. Scripture is clear concerning the God-induced deafness and blindness of the remnant..and concerning the 7000(meaning only God knows the true number) who were left with open eyes and ears so they could receive the Gospel.
Isaiah 6: 10-13. Romans chapter 11.
Ro 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them:
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
And they are grafted in again in the following: Re 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
As Marianne said, Zionism is an act of God. Christ came to die on the cross. God gave them blind eyes so they could not recognize Elias and therefore could not recognize Messiah and would cry, ‘Give us Barabas!’ But Christ covered their buts but good when He prayed from the cross on their behalf, “Father, forgive them. They know not what they do.”
I have responded in this way, not to convince you, but to give honor to God’s covenant people, Israel….all who are of the faith of Abraham.
Hi Internet Elias,
The tragedy of unbelief!
I have to agree with everything you have quoted from the scriptures..it’s very refreshing. However, whilst the kingdom of YHWH is Israel centric, and we the gentiles have been grafted into the olive tree, that doesn’t allow us to applaud everything that Zionism stands for, especially as YHWH Himself does not defend their unbelief, or the behaviour which eminates from such sin.
The tragedy of Israel’s unbelief is indeed the fate that awaits them, out of which a remnant will be saved, and as such we can all make such an outcome, the focal point of our most earnest prayers. Whilst Jesus did ask YHWH to forgive His people for such a grievious sin, it remains that there will be those whose forgiveness for such a sin, will continue to be treated with utter contempt. Therefore, it is a vain thought to applaud secular Zionism, which is so prevelant in the corrupt political and finacial matrixes of the world’s satanic systems of government.
Who owns the world’s banking system and controls global finance..Zionism in the name of the Rothschild’s and their affiliates i.e. the three arms of the world central bank..the IMF; the BIS in Basle Switzerland (where Theodor Herzl held the 1st Zionist conference); the World Bank, as well as most if not all of the central banks. Where the Zionists have failed to have an influnce over a country’s finance, it has caused that country trouble in one form or another. Oh yes, almost forgot..the global securities fund (approx £50 trillion) set up by Jacob Rothschild’s for the sole purpose of financing wars; terrorism; assinations; and toppling governments. The politics of the Arab-spring is being funded by this blood money, in order to create middle east democracies in the hope that Islam (the beast), can be controlled by Zionism in an effort to create a state of peace and safety for Israel. To think that Islam can be controlled by finacial entrapment as the rest of the world has will be the irony that leads to Israels undoing. So, I don’t applaud the misdeads of Zionsm, and yet I accept that YHWH allows such things to happen, because it is part of His Will and purpose that it should. In the same way I don’t applaud the fate that awaits YHWH’s covenant people the Jews, and again I accept that it’s part of YHWH’s plan with His chosen people.
To let two notable people have the last say on this post..I qoute Abraham Lincoln after his re-election on the 8th Nov 1864 “The money power preys upon the nations in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy.”
And, in 1898 Pope Leo XIII stated the following on the subject of usury. “On the one hand there is the party which holds the power because it holds the wealth, which has in its grasp all labor and all trade, whicch manipulates for its own benefit and its own purposes all the source of supply, and which is powerfully represented in the councils of state itself.
Rapacious usury, which, although more than once condemned by the church, is nevertheless under a different form but with the same guilt, still practiced by avaricious and grasping men…so that a small number of very rich men have been able to lay upon the masses of the poor a yoke little better than slavery itself.”
First do you understand why Islam was created or came about? Finding the truth about that may help find your answers to who Muslims are.
My opinion is, God brought forth his son to man to redeem us or save us. Muslims think men are born pure and by praying and obeying Gods law they can enter paradise which is false.
God knows SOME people obey the father and not the son, and some both, even some who don’t believe in any. But every man rather he beileve in the son are not is still under the law god. even if they dont believe in the son our god is still good.they do cry, they do weep, they do mourn, they prey and when they do the father hears them. He wants them to believe in the son in order to be saved, but they chose not to. Our God being Great, still loves them, the Quran in my opinion is real and accurate, because it is a nation founded by god, god doesn’t intend for every man to be a Muslim because that would mean everyman would not believe in the son. At the same time God knew some would reject his son, it was prophetized way before Islam even before Christ.
IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN
A house divided into itself shall not stand! God wants us to be one, but out of fear, pride or greed we do what WE want. Get it??? We divided ourselfs out of free will and GOD wants a relationship with everyman. We are encouraged to read the bible and Quran and decide for our self what is true, the problem is the vast majority read them with a presided mind, they find what they perceive as a lie because they are looking for lies not the truth.
God could have destroyed the people that did not believe in his son if he wanted to, why not??? if they dont believe in jesus how can they ever enter heaven? By good works and deeds? By praying and not eating pork?
No, We enter by grace and salvation. No amount of good deeds will ever be enough because we are born sinners and unfit for heaven. Unless washed by the blood of jesus. Some Muslims think just obeying the laws of God is enough to enter, its not, because you still are a sinner, since they reject the son they will have to endure tribulation,
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
Rev 3:20
I don’t protect Christianity, I protect and promote truth. A lie isn’t a lie until you reveal the truth, and the truth isn’t the truth until proven true.
VERY VERY VERY few Muslims thoroughly examine Christianity from a open heart and mind. If they did then they would know that their religion resulted out their disbelief in jesus. Christians should see it as a last resort for the men who rejected the son, its God saying he still loves them. (Note there is a difference between men who adhere to Gods will and reject Christ and men who think there is no GOD)
Think about Jonah and the city of Nineveh, some people see it as just a city, some see it all the nation of Islam. Your mind will corrupt long before the Word of God, but understanding yourself as a man you realize without the spirit of truth your liable to be corrupt.
Heres a mental picture think of it like this.
A mother feeding her child at the table. The mother being a wise adult who so dearly cares about to childs welfare is feeding him healthy wholesome food thats good for him. The child, being a child, foolish and un knowing rejects the wholesome food, but instead wants junk food. So the mother being wise (all knowing), knows that the child must still eat. Rather it be the food that the best overall or the junkfood. The Mother so loves her child that she gives him free will to eat whatever he wants. TO THIS MOTHER IT IS BETTER TO EAT JUNK FOOD THAN TO STARVE.
The mother is GOD, the wholesome food is Christianity, the junk food is Islam. And starve is to be without god.
In present day Islam is fulled with members who try and force the hand of god, kill people, condem people etc etc. They forgot our God is a God of love not hate. Our God knows everything he can see people who are evil and will turn away from their sinful ways. Man can’t see this. But man makes an attempt to punish said man…. on the behalf of GOD.
dear saved
we just need to pray for those who do not know the truth, and be open to help them.
Have you read the Qu’ran and the Haddith in full? How can you possibly believe that they are true or accurate in any way shape or form? Do you believe in pedophilia, necrophilia, men who have up to 9 wives and then have “temporary marriages” so as to not blaspheme? What about murdering all of your family because they think you are a fraud? What about genocides? Razing whole towns if they don’t want to convert or just taxing them extra? What about A man shall not have to answer as to why he beats his wife? What about the words of Mohammed himself: “I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
Actually, as a Muslim I can tell you that is incorrect. 666 has no meaning in Islam, the number doesn’t appear in Quran nor hadith. That convoluted math to try and make something Islamic is as absurd as that now-debunked Bible Code that was popular a decade ago.
dear brothersulayman
I hope it is not true. But I have heard other muslims admit that the greek letters spell out bismallah…..so I get different feedback on this.
I can read Arabic, it does not spell that. Some say bismillah looks like 786, but that is quite different.
maybe that explains it…..this is an ex muslim but he still reads arabic
I watched the video, and Mr. Shoebat is incorrect. (He’s been wrong before, Anderson Cooper called him out on it during his show) He shows the basmala, written as
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
If you look at the greek letters written above in the article ( Χ ξ ς ), they look nothing alike. Also, Arabic-speaking Christians also say the phrase, which means “in the name of God.”
you have to look at the greek sideways to get this. the ξ
the X is the crossed swords.
I am not arabic, so I have to go by what people say that know the language.
Even if you do, what do you get? One letter matching out of an entire phrase. You don’t have to know Arabic, just look at the two phrases I pasted in my above post. They don’t look similar at all. Of all the things Christians should be talking about, this is a dead end and a waste of time.
this is just one of many posts. I look at details. It can be from any religion. I can be critical of Christianity also. there are different interpretations of what 666 means, so this is just one of them.
some people think 666 is the number of the pope, or Prince Charles…..it is a mystery, so people try to solve the puzzle.
Hi brothersulayman,
I am an apostolic Christian, or one who tries to view the scriptures without the politics, in which so much Christianity has unfortunately immersed itself!
I have to agree with you, that the Greek letters for 666 do not look exactly the same as the Arabic for bismallah. Besides, to be precise the numbers are 600 60 6. It’s only if you do some very serious juggling or even more serious stretching of the imagination, that you can (with a great deal of straining) see some resemblance between the Greek letters Chi Xi Stigma, and the Arabic for bismallah.
I have read on another web-site that Rev 13:18 starts with the phrase “Hode este sophia” or “Here is wisdom”. Apparently it’s a colloquial way of saying: here is a riddle, and therefore, it can be read in more than way! The gramma of which I am not familiar with, is said to be called an amphiboly. The riddle is not just about the number..that’s only half of it. Rev 13:18 continues “Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.” This should then solve the problem as to who or what the beast is?
So, if it’s not just about counting anumber, then what is it? To count in the original Greek is psephizo and means to cast a pebble into an urn..to vote in order to decide or determin an outcome. Number in the original Greek is the word arithmos and means any number or multitude..when the word number is in the context of a person or people, it’s more correctly translated multitude.
What the apostle John wrote was of future events that would herald the second coming of Jesus Christ. The apostle John did not so much see a number but a riddle..a hidden message..Chi Xi Stigma. The number 666 shows numerically that the riddle can be read the same way forwards and backwards and is gramatically known as a palindrome, and it could be multi-lingual i.e Greek and Arabic?
So, it could read: for this is the multitude of a man, and his multitude is in the name of Allah? Whether the apostle John saw Arabic letters and mistook them for Greek I don’t know, and will reserve judgement on the subject of 666!
Hi again brothersulayman,
I would just like to clarify, that whilst I stated it was difficult to see any similarity between the Greek and Arabic letters for Chi Xi Stigma and bismallah, I do believe that Arabic and other Islamic countries make up an empire which constitutes the beast of Revelation. Therefore, for this reason it’s not hard to believe, that there could be something in Walid Shoebat’s view, on the Greek letters meaning something to do with, or associated with Allah.
There’s been a lot of historical/archaeeological research, as well as many extensive studies carried out on the origins of Islam, and I have to say it doesn’t look good. It becomes quite obvious that Muhammad came from a background of paganism where his family (the Quraysh tribe), had a history of worshiping the moon god allah. Long before Muhammed came on the scene the whole of the western arabian region, prayed towards and worshiped the idol moon god (allah) in Mecca. What Muhammed also did was to plagiarize the word of YHWH i.e. the Torah and the New Testament, in order to create a hybrid religion, which was nothing more than a reformation of paganism, and another type of Imperialism. Constantine did a similar thing, by adopting pagan forms of worship into Christianity known as Catholocism, or Imperialist Christianity. Zionism is another form of Imperialsm otherwise known as political Zionism, which has been heavily financed through the Rothschilds and Rockefellar banking dynasties. One of the chief propounders of modern Zionism was a Rothschild agent Theodore Herzl. Today Zionism and the financial world are inseperable, and control the security services such as Mossad; CIA; and MI6; as well as influence most of the politics in the world etc.
A lot of people get confused with Zionist Jews, and orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jews in the main have little time for Zionism, and claim that Zionism goes against the Torah and the Talmud. Orthodox Jews unlike their Zionist counterparts, make no presumption over ownership of the land of Israel. It is the belief of orthodox Jews that Messiah will give them the land when the time is right. The only thing is orthodox Jews have yet to realise that their Messiah is the one they crucified..the Lord Jesus Christ. This will happen when the beast plays its part in trying to destroy the nation of Israel. However, when the Jews cry out to YHWH, the beast itself will be destroyed by the return of Jesus Christ.
There’s probably a whole load of other stuff to say, but I’m always very busy and therefore very limited to time.
This is a lie, Christian knows that Islam is the true religion thats y they try to show others that Islam is bad, but no problem, when people face god they will realise that they were tricked by the priests and other idiots that show and tell wrong things about Islam and trust me that you will fave god very soon
dear “do not reply”
I got this information from muslim sites. So your dispute is with them.
First, it is important to understand how and why the number 666 even acquired significance in some cultures although it has absolutely no significance in Islamic theology.
The most prominent and direct origin of the significance for the number 666 is the one in the New Testament, which proclaims that the mark of the devil is the number 666: “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” (Revelation 13:18, King James Version)
Los Angeles Times writer Michael Muskal notes the following:
It is in the New Testament that 666 makes its appearance as the sign of evil, the Beast, the Devil, the Antichrist who marks the forehead or right hand of all as a sign of his supremacy. Because Greek and Hebrew letters are associated with numbers, the letters of the name of Evil spell out the numbers 666. Some argue the sign is really 616, but 666, with its outsized numerological mysteries, seems to be the favorite interpretation.
Even among Christians and people of other faiths, there is disagreement as to the significance of 666 as being the number of the devil. But this brief background helps to give readers a better idea of why the number 666 even came to be important.
Second, with regards to Islam, the number 666, or any other number for that matter, has no significance whatsoever. In fact, Muslims have been warned from assigning significance or meaning to signs, symbols, and icons of any kind.
The religion itself demands absolute conviction and commitment to monotheism, that is, the unity and the oneness of Allah (God), and to the Qur’an and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the authentic, unadulterated sources of Islamic teachings.
Muslims do believe there is a being known as Shaytan (Satan), who is an avowed enemy of mankind and whose sole purpose is to lead mankind astray, away from Allah, and tempt us to do evil.
However, in Islamic teachings, there is neither a form nor a shape, nor a sign nor a number, nor an icon nor an idol associated with Satan. Further, Muslims are prohibited from engaging in any form of fortune-telling, divining, visiting soothsayers, or holding superstitious beliefs. For more on this and on the Islamic view of the supernatural, see the special page on Magic & Jinn in Islam.
Finally, it is important to note that without exception, beliefs and ideologies that are man-made are prone to error, as they are entirely products of human imagination.
Therefore, the number 666 or any other such sign or symbol to which human beings have attributed significance or meaning, have little utility, if any, other than to lend a false sense of control and security to those who would believe in them.
For Muslims, comfort, solace, security, and peace all emanate from Allah — from faith in Allah (God) and from trust in Allah alone to be the best disposer of human affairs, as He is the loving Creator of us all. No numbers game, algorithm or formula, no matter how imaginative, can substitute for the power of God and God alone. And God knows best.
hello thankful
Thank you for your comment. There are many views of many issues, and I present all of them for discussion, and allow disagreement. The work of Satan in this world is an important one, so discussion is crucial.
Some say he will work through a man, others say he will work through a bad church, others say he will work through governments.
We should all stay watchful, as the truth unfolds. Satan can work in any environment except when we praise God, and we show holy behavior.
Hi thankful.
There has been extensive archaeological, and historical studies to show that the name Allah which is attributed to the god of muslims, was a pagan god which existed long before the prophet Muhumad came on the scene. Allah was the name given to the Arabian moon god, which had resided in Mecca along with many other idol gods. The moon god was widely worshiped across the fertile plain, and Muhamud just changed the theological dynamics of a pagan faith that was already up and running. This is why in some Muslim countries we see the crescent moon on their national flags. Allah is no more a real god than the paper the Quran is written on. On the other hand YHVH the God of Israel proves He is real through the nation of Israel, and the Jews, as well as the Covenant promises He made to them. There is only one true God..YHVH..and His only true prophet Yeshua the Christ..amen.
This is reply to Headley,
I will state again that in islam symbols like the crescent moon has no significance whatsoever. Muslims have been warned from assigning significance or meaning to signs, symbols, and icons of any kind.
The Lord of muslims is the Lord of Adam and Eve, Christians, jews and the whole universe, he is the one and only. God has many names that represent who he is and his features, and one of his names in islam is Allah.
Allah looks at peoples’ hearts and not their looks or races.
I ask God to guide all humanity to the righteous path, Amin!
The immediate problem we have with one God for all religions, is that the One God (YHVH) doesn’t contradict himself by saying one thing for one religion, and then something else for another. The bible and the Quran (as are other religous writings) are at variance with each other, and are therefor diametrically opposed to each other. For example, the bible states that the blessings given to Abraham fell to Issac, and then to Jacob, continuing on down to the twelve tribes of Israel etc. Muhamad (who was a descendant of Ishmael) changed all of this to say that the Abrahamic blessings were confered upon Ishmael..Abraham’s first born. Muhamad changed the theology for his own ends, and went around raiding the trade caravans transversing the desert highways of Arabia, to steel and murder in the name of an idol god Allah. This kind of religous imperialism wasn’t confined to just Islam, but to Christianity too. Chrstian imperiailsm also murdered in the name of their God, and in doing so broke away from apostolic ministry to become apostate Christianity. Therfore, their God is also not the same God as mine. The question we should ask ourselves is: does salt and fresh water come from the same spring?
Whilst there is possibly some common ground with all religous writings, the bible is unique with the same theme, and message running throughout the entire book. Christ and the salvation of mankind through Yeshua, was promised to the world from the very beginning. This very theme grows ever larger and larger, until the full magnitude of YHVH’s love is revealed in the man himself..both son of man and Son of God..Yeshua the Christ. After YHVH’s annointed prophet Yeshua there is no other, because YHVH’s work is finished (“it is finished”), and finally achieved through the Saviour our Lord.
So, no we don’t worship the same God (YHVH) or revere the same prophet Yeshua (Son of God)..who was also a priest and a King after the order of Melchizedek.
You confuse the Universal Church with Christianty. Christianity does not follow a man who tells them to murder in G-d’s name. They follow a God/man name Jesus Christ who died for them.
You are correct about Muhammad.
Hi Leatherneck,
Not too sure if we are saying the same thing or not. My reference to Imperialist Christianity was with emperor Constantine in mind, and others who have followed in his footsteps as in the Crusades, both in the past and present. Crusades where priests and bishops are only too willing to bless the bomb; brutality; and bloodshed in the name of their god..not my God.
No one ever died in the presence of Christ whilst he was alive, and Christ himself forbade the use of violence in any situation no matter what the circumstances. It’s about accepting our situation in life however traumatic things might be, and to trust in YHVH even if it pleases Him to bruise us, and not hit back at those YHVH has allowed to overpower us. I see Islam and the teachings of Mohamud as contrary to the teachings of Yeshua, who believe in fighting it out for almost any reason, as long as it’s in the name of allah..bismallah! Sadly, such a murderous theology resonates within Imperialist forms of Christianity today.
Do we accept the Lord’s Will for us, or do we try to determin the outcome through our own strenghts and works. It’s a bit like the Zionists/Jewish nationalists today who are trying to achieve their right to a homeland by works, and continue to live in the Tabernacle of Moses of burnt offerings. The Tabernacle of Moses was based in Gibeah and has an association with the Gibeonites who were hewers of wood, and drawers of water..it was all about works. The Tabernacle of David on the otherhand, had the Ark of the Covenant and was based in Jerusalem, and represented mercy and grace which pertains unto Zion..YHVH’s Holy Mount and Christ’s work through the Holy Spirit.
So, just as we have a misappropiation of the word Zion by Jewish nationalists, so the same applies to those who use the name of Christ for their bloodletting crimes against his neighbour!
Ok, I’m almost 100% with you. Christ said turn the other cheek, he did not say be a fool, or Amish.
He drove out the money changers, and stood up to evil strongly.
In the Marine Corp we trun the other cheek twice. It goes lie this. Halt. Halt. No third halt, just destruction.
Hi Leatherneck,
I have to say, I am a little confused by your statement of turning the other cheek twice, and then just destruction. I was wondering where I might find that command in the teachings of Christ, and that you might like to point it out to me. Yes, Yeshua certainly showed a righteous anger towards those who misused the temple for worldy gain. However, whilst Yeshua was apt to give strong rebukes, he only used words to pierce the conscience of his adversaries, and did not engage them a round of rapid fire from GPMG.
Even the apostle Paul in all of his sufferings only counted the experience as an honour for Christ. 2 Cor 11:24-25 “Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned …” The apostle Paul turned the cheek many times.
In the sermon on the mount, we have instruction from the Lord as to how we are to conduct ourselves, in daily service and sacrifice. Math 5: 21-22 “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou sahlt not kill; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgement: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement…”
When the arresting party came upon Yeshua in the garden, Yeshua didn’t say halt, halt, etc he treated them kindly, and accepted what was about to happen to him was in the purpose of YHVH. Yeshua was in no way about to use violence to try and force events in a particular way. Yeshua could have called upon legions of angels, but he chose instead to obey his Father.
If we chose to live in a way which is contrary to the good name of YHVH, then we could also misappropriate the name of God by our conduct. In a similar way, Ananias and Sapphira had been called into fellowship and set aside by the Holy Spirit to coduct their lives in an appropriate way for the Lord. However, in misappropriating the funds given for the work of YHVH, they had also missappropriated the glorious name of God. YHVH prefers mercy, and even He takes no delight in the destruction of the most evil and wicked people, and we mortals certainly have no right to say halt halt, bang bang, double tap or whatever, and then destruction etc
I was not stating Christ used deadly force on his first visit. Only, he was not Amish.
The Marine Corp is not Amish as you already know, yet it is full of Christians. All of them do not want to use force, and will try their best to not use deadly force. Hence the attempt at halt twice.
As you know, that is not in the Bible. Turning the other cheek is. That does not mean turning the other cheek to a point your wife, and children are murdered. Unless you think othewise, all Christians are not Amish.
Do you think on this planet earth Christians are not suppose to defend what is theirs? Do you think good men should lay down their arms so evil can rule?
Hi Leatherneck,
I have to say that whenever the going gets tough, I find it very difficult not to compromise on the commandments of YHVH, with prayer being the only remedy for such a situation. I can only imagine for those early Christians, who suffered terribly at the hands of their persecutors, that it must have been a mind-numbingly painful experience, to see their loved ones put to death for what they believed, and to turn the other cheek. Of course, if any of my family were threatened, I would like to think that I would make myself a sacrificial victim in order to save them. However, whatever I do will not make a blind bit of difference to the outcome, if it’s the Lord’s Will to allow a member of my family or myself, to die at the hands of the foe. We don’t have the power to stop it, if it’s the Lord’s Will. We don’t own anything..not our lives or our loved ones..everything belongs to YHVH, and we and our possessions are His to do with in whatever manner it so pleases Him.
When Christian families including children were brought into the Roman arena as the last in line of the procession, who were then subjected to trials leading to their deaths for what they believed, it couldn’t have been easy to turn the other cheek.
When those who were crucified had their families made to watch, if then anyone wathcing showed any emotion, were then subjected to the same fate, it couldn’t have been easy to turn the other cheek.
When the apostle Peter was trialed and crucified for his faith as a Christian, insisted that he be crucified upside down, it couldn’t have been easy..and many others such as Stephen; Paul; John the Baptist etc all sufferd for their faith. Yet their faith was what made the suffering a joy, but they all turned the other cheek because that is what their Lord did!
As for laying down ones arms, all peoples will have no choice but to do so in the Kingdom of YHVH, when they will be beaten into ploughshares..Isa 2:4 “And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: and nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall thay learn war anymore”.
Christ is our example, and we listen to him because the sheep hear his voice. We do not listen to false shepherds who come in the guise of Christianity, either in the form of Imperialist or State approved Christianity or individuals, to devour the flock and deny those of the fold a place in the Kingdom. However, Christ always has and always will continue to pray for those who hear his voice so that none will be lost.
My kind will stand watch at night while you write freely.
The Lord of Hosts stands watch over those who are His! It may well be that your kind are sent by YHVH, to act as guardians to those who are His. So even those who are self appointed warriors of this world, who superimpose laws of their own making over the commanments of Christ, and bring the teachings of Yeshua into disrepute, may well (ironically) have a place in serving those who belong to the Lord..the Almighty works in mysterious ways. Ps 46:7 “The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge”.
1Pet 2:19-23 “For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wronfully….For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously”.
Titus 1:16 “They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate”.
2Tim 3: 1-3; & 5. “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, FIERCE, despisers of those that are good….Having a form of godliness but denying the power therof: from such turn away”.
So, I thank my Lord for all of my freedoms..to think; to write; to speak; and to act. My desire is to wear the full armour of YHVH, and not the full metal jacket, and to fight the battle against the sins of my human nature. Being a soldier of Christ is so far removed from the blood letting activities of the devil itself, and as far apart as east is from west, that never the twain shall meet. No doubt, the devil has many a rambo who are willing to spread the gospel of the gun, however, the gospel of Christ, is more than able to set us free from the tyrany of those who would have us in Satans sights.
It’s never too late to repent, so whilst we have our lives we should earnestly seek it. Sins which are not washed away and continue to cling, will always been known by our works!
There are a lot of Christians in the Marine Corp. I know that as fact. George Washington fought for what his his, and he was devout.
I am not sure being Amish is true Christianty, but I support your right to be as such. BTW, I am no Rambo. Just a Platoon Sgt who believes in defending the poor, the weak, women, and children.
I pray to G-d the Father in Christ name. My heart through the Holy Spirit leads me to my belief. Perhaps, the Holy Spirit leads you to yours.
Peace.
Hmmm im muslim,never heard of such a thing. Your just one of them, but seriously, like ron paul, the more they lie, the stronger the campaign. God forgive for spreading such falasies.
Hi Emma
I got the information from muslim websites. It is not a campaign, but an effort to understand muslim thinking about the end times. I gave the references for the sites used.
Marianne you such a liar and now you want to backtrack. You talk like you know as fact or saw this with your own eyes. “this is what muslims believe this is in there book” where I’ve got an Arabic copy and an English copy, what verse what line us it? What kind of intelligent person goes on a website copy and paste it as if yeah this is real information. You are a complete idiot. I take it all your kids have been vaccinated because it saves there lives I guess you drink tap water because it’s good for you I’m also guessing that you don’t use too much electricity because of global warming. I guess you believe all loud kids have ADHD, I guess you belive your ancestor came from monkey. I guess you follow everything your government tells you cause them rich boys care about your families welfare more than there own. I guess you believe Harvey Oswald killed JFK with his superpowers (being able to shoot from 3 different directions) I guess you believe a Muslim told his pal wait wait before you hit that building I just need to toss my passport out. You are a complete idiot and I hope I have inspired you to look for the truth (and I don’t mean convert to Islam just real truthful information) but if this is intentional I hope our Lord, the Lord of Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad the same Lord of the Jews, Christians, Muslims and those who are still searching I hope he guides you if not then punishes you for trying to separate mankind with ur bullcrap you are no different to Bush Obama Donald Trump Anjem Choudary or that fake Muslim, is is leader Al Baghdad or satan. You all have one thing in common, hate for mankind.
I do not hate anyone, although I hate evil behavior.
I did not make up the information for this page
My resources was an ex-muslim who explained his reasoning, and I just posted it.
Hi Emma, you say you are a Muslim, and you have never heard of such a thing. There has been extensive research by numerous scholars into all faiths and their origins, each being very knowledgable in their particular field of expertise. The best way to come to a rational truth about anything, is to ask pertinent questions such as to who why what when how etc, as well as to dig into the matter, and read around the subject. I would like to say that whilst I am no expert, I have been studying faith matters for around 32 years, and I really don’t like the things I read about Islam and the prophet Mohumad. You may not wish to put Islam in the dock, but many have (including myself), and I have found the Quran to be full of erronous waffle. The prophet Mohumad plagiarised the teachings of the bible to create a hybrid religion of paganism, Judaism, and Christianity with substitutions being made for the pagan moon god allah.
In much the same way the universal church/imperialist Christianity, is as guilty of creating a hybrid religion out of Christianity and paganism just as Muhamed did. Therefore, by developing their own brands of YHVH’s teachings, both the universal church and Islam have corrupted the purity of YHVH’s message, which has lead to many conflicts and wars because the truth of YHVH is not in them.
Furthermore, the Zionists have corrupted the meaning of Zionism, and use this corruption for their own political ends. Zionism is a mixture of paganism (e.g. the god of money), Judasim (the old Testament covenants), and politics (controlling world affairs). The Zionists have a vast international network controlling almost every aspect of human life. You only have to look at the historical records to see how the Rothschilds, Rockefellars, Goldmansachs etc, have used their great wealth to secure Zionist strongholds in the media, banking and finance industry, security services etc, to know that they have entrapped everyone and made us all slaves to their miserable ambitions.
People.People.As a Muslim I do believe this 666 shit was shocking.It did put doubts into my head but that’s when I had to think.In Islam Latin is the language of the Devil.And based on what this article was about it confirms that.666 is not an important number in the Qur’an.There are not 6666 verses in the Qur’an as some would say.There is 6636 verses in the Qur’an. Honestly do you think that every muslim site is trust worthy?I don’t. You have different denominations in Islam with their beliefs.The radical muslims who wear “The mark of the beast” on their head are simply the radical muslims.They my friend,are going to hell.
The Bible was changed Marianne.Here is proof.
To start with the story says that there were 9 books of NT. Out of which about 4 or 5 were rejected by the Byzantine church and destroyed. What we see are the rest, in the NT. The Byzantine church held a conference in about 300 A.D. in Nicene. In this conference they unanimously decided under the King, that Jesus is the “Son of God”. And thus they picked and choose the NT and persecuted to death all those who were in opposition. The incidence in Quran regarding the 7 sleepers of the cave is regarding the young men, who chose NOT to yield to the oppression of the King and the Organized religion. They flee to save themselves from persecution and to profess that Jesus is the Son of God.
Human hearts are prone to sentiment and promotion of vices. Islam and muhammad stand for truth and emancipation of man from evil and darkness. We all see and know what paul who was far from the 12 deciples of Jesus Christ stood for and upturn the Bible and put his own ideas(Revelatio) above all other books in Bible. Let all chrstians and all who believe in oneness of God know that Muhammad was sent by God to right the wrong mostly in the bible about Jesus ,how then can you attribute that to saver of the universe when paul confess that ‘ how would you accuse me if i lie and my gospel grow’ according to my local adage which says”the house built with saliva(lies) will be brought down by dew” according to islam antichrist mean Dajal which raer it self in all form of senseless and evil civilication of the west every truth seeker known as ; nakedness couroption adultery and all other forms of moral decadecies in the society.
There is no crime, adultery, corruption or moral problems in Islamic countries?
Muhammad enjoyed raiding caravans, taking slaves, and rape. He came from a family that worshiped Sin the moon god, also known as the god. One of 360 false gods at the Kaaba, or zero point.
There is nothing in Historical fact that shows Abraham built the Kaaba. Nor, does the black rock take away sin. Muhammad never rode a winged horse from the dome of the rock to heaven. Winged horses do not exist.
Islam, a political, and religious system is just like Muhammad. Filled with hate, rape, and blood shed.
The G-d I worship has not asked me to murder for him. Instead, the G-d I worship lived a perfect life, was murdered, and rose from the dead. He now holds the keys to heaven, and hell.
Hi leatherneck
As observed, ive seen that you just passed ‘leatherneck’ comments that is ‘dirty’ comments and you dont really too much answer others comments.
Marrying someone and having intercourse with them implies love not rape.
Even though if the girl is still small and small means not reaching the age of puberty.
One other thing it is in the nature of christian especially popes who work in churches to rape little girls and killing them afterwards.
I really think that your mamma was one of the fortunate one to have been able to escape after getting r****.
Bye
Eagerly waiting for your reply
For any muslim who trying to reply to this wesite you must know the person who wrote this is a jew! surely you can see what their doing they always tired to hiding under the banner of christians and some of the replys are also jews so dont wast your time trying to reason with the synagogue of satan. its their mission to destroy the truth…
first of all get your facts straight the number 19 is not holy in Islam nor is the number 666 as u say…the only holy number islam have is the number 7 …with goes by that God created the world in 7 days. so before u start going on with your false accusations i think u should check ur facts before u go on and talk about Islam and try to brainwash people to believe your lies…its funny how u dont back up ur words with references …for example from the Holy bible nor the Holy quran…..So if your goal is to try and say islam is a relgion of the satan…then May god have mercy on ur soul…because the last time i checked Muslims believes in God and The prophets…and they do believe in Jesus and the virgin mary Peace be upon them….. They are holy….. So i dont think a religion that believes in God and the prophets and Jesus…WORSHIPS SATAN…..and by the way ive studied 6 years of christianity and Im a muslim …so read the bible and the Quran before you go on and insult religion.
who ever believes this idot is just a bigger dummy then he is…and just proves that ur athiest and dont believe in God…which clearly justifies satans actions…so this proves that this moron is a follower of satan whos just trying to corrupt people…add hatred and evil…which is the act of the devil. So I can care less about your lies and your pathetic theory That is attacking Islam…a religion In which God is worshiped…and dont give me ur bullS*** about terrorists…a persons bad actions reflects them personally but it has nothing to do with the religion…and let me enlighten u on something here and get a good deed out of a sinner like you…. those terrorists along with many others around the world who commited a crime and hurt innocent people are in hell….So dont attack the religion u uneducated satan worshiper. God created us…we are his children…and we worship him…and till the last day of our life we shall still worship him…and theres nothing u can do to change that…so ur mission has failed …and for all those who are affected by this person dont give in to his satanic words…do not become a follower of satan…JUST BELIEVE IN GOD….and Islam,Christianity,Jews all Believe in God. and As for you….. change ur ways and start believing in God and that means respect all religions who follow God. BY THE WAY all of what u said about muslims is completely untrue…so shows how much u know in life…hahahaha i laugh at poor people like u but i dont pity them…because ur the DEVIL himself…enough said. So for who ever goes by what u said is just as much as a devil as you are…now u can blab all u want my case here is closed.hahahahahaha
Hey Lu,
I’m a Christian and I agree with you that this number business is somewhere between a bit of a stretch and a whole load of crap. Marianne likes to explore al sorts of theories and go down all kinds of winding roads that take a bunch of detours so that in the end we are actually totally lost, in regards to the truth.
The caveat here is to take it all with a grain of salt and if you don’t agree with it then go on to a different blog page.
Of course, as Christians we believe that the only way to salvation is thru Jesus Christ who died for our sins and was resurrected and sits at the right hand of the father. Otherwise you have no chance.
Jews and Muslims deny this, therefore if they fail to accept it, they are lost. So for us, just believing in God is not enough, and so therefore we will always be at odds when it comes to the true faith.
The problem with the Koran is that it purports to be a continuation of the Old Testament and New Testament however it does not jive with the earlier books. We know that Mohammed could not read or write and that he learned the Old Testament from local Jews, who when they realized what he was doing with the information, decided to make up stories to screw him up. When Mohammed got wind of this he attacked the Jewish city and killed every man and took the women as slaves to sell. So now we have Miriam, the sister of Moses, also being Mary, the mother of Jesus. And the idea that Moses knew Noah personally. This collapses 4000 years of bible history into a couple of generations. No holy book, given by God could have such mistakes. Sorry, but Mohammed was not coached by God. God does not author such confusion.
Like the book of Mormon, the Koran was written by a single confused man with an agenda. To start a new religion and to get rich thru tithing and to feed his own ego.
Yup, us Christians have had our version of a “new prophet” and many have been fooled. But we all have free will, and it is everyone’s right to worship as they see fit, unless you are Muslim, of course. In that case, you are an infidel and the punishment is death.
And while that sounds harsh to my Christian friends, we actually believe exactly the same thing. The only difference is, God will doing the punishment at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ. All Muslims, including Mohammed will be resurrected and instructed in the true gospel and the word of God. They may then honor God or not – it will be their choice. Eternal life of the lake of fire. Many will take a chance that death in the lake of fire will result in a trip to heaven with 72 virgins (or whatever).
You my brother will have to make that choice someday and I pray that your study of the bible will help you to make the right choice.
So until then, pass the word, re-read the bible with an open mind. But be careful about converting – it will make you an infidel and Allah will call for your death.
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Where did you learn that muhammad (saw) was not educated. He who was the most loved by the almighty was given everything. Beauty, cleanliness, plenty of good intention, education and knowledge, respect and love. All of these things are not too applied for christians. The fault is not yours. Its because of the religion you follow. Another word for the religion is fault in itself.
http://aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-about-islam/prophet-muhammad-illiterate/
I have been called a lot of things, but never a Jew. That’s funny right there.
In this section if I write what History records Muhammad doing, I am of Satan’s house, and a Jew.
Between the Universal Church, and the moon god worshiping section, it appears to be a tough crowd.
oorah for leatherneck.!
You should take more time to study.That greek stuff refers to YOUR Jesus christ. At the time the Bible was written in greek there was no such thing as J and was often replaced with a z. Zeus is almost what the name Jesus did make.Now since there’s a J that is what it was replaced with. The name Jesus makes 666.Don’t believe me?Look it up for your self.Heres a video for help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9Gl2zOT4I&feature=related
Well this video actually does prove one thing – with clever manipulation and taking things out of context, plus a few outright lies here and there, it is possible to prove almost anything!
Of course the whole thing is just silly – Jesus is His own Antichrist. Really? So He will destroy himself when He returns? Really?
It is obvious that the author has no idea what the Book of Revelation is all about. Jesus cannot be the beast of Revelation because He does not fit the rest of the prophecy. The beast is actually a kingdom (the Vatican) and the number 666 refers to the title of its leader, the pope. The apostasy is that the Catholic church considers the pope to be Jesus in the flesh, so in that respect the 666 does refer to a false Christ, and since the name Jesus is a pagan word that combines Jehovah and Zeus, the idea that it adds up to the same number as the false prophet (false Jesus) certainly does not surprise me.
But your lack of understanding of the bible has led you to an erroneous conclusion. But you are not alone. The vast percentage of Christians have made similar mistakes. When Christ returns much of Christianity (the Babylon paganism) will be destroyed as will Islam and all other false religions. The true church is less than .01% of the worlds religion, so we will basically all be in the same boat. But as the bible says, The truth shall set you free, so I suggest you study it more closely so you will be better prepared for the coming millennium of Christ’s rule.
If you are expecting anything else I’m afraid you will be greatly disappointed.
Blessings…
I James,
I have read where the false god Saturn, one of the Roman false gods, added up to 666. I can not remember, but Saturn and Mithrus maybe the same false god. Where we now have Christmas, we use to have Misthus and Saturn.
I can see how the Universal Church has taken in all these false pagan Holidays, and tried to turn them into a Christian Holiday, but do you think the false prophet might be the next Pope, and the Anti-christ, Satan’s man on earth, also known as Saturn/Mithrus/Nimrod will be the individual leading the false 7 year treaty with Israel?
Leatherneck,
I don’t believe there will be and Antichrist or a 7-year peace treaty. The Book of Revelation never uses the term Antichrist, and the descriptions such as the man of sin etc, all refer to the false prophet. There is the beast, False Prophet and Satan. The beast is a kingdom, just as in the book of Daniel. In this case, it is the Vatican, for who the pope is its figurehead or image. The peace treaty is the 70th week of Daniel which has been fulfilled by Christ, not an Antichrist.
As for Saturn and Mithras, they are related and celebrated on the same day – Dec. 25. As for the numerology end, I’m not sure if their names add up to 666 or not, but probably not given how short they are and the fact that Saturn has no Roman numbers in it and the M in Mithras is worth 1000 which leaves it out, especially in The Price Is Right.
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Hi James,
I have to agree with you that the ‘truth’ will set us free, as indeed we are all praying it will. The Holy scriptures teaches us about other scriptures. I suppose we need to look for biblical precedents, and how once a precedent has been established, to then use the rule of first mention to see how this plays out within the general theme of the word of YHVH in its entirity. It’s also very important to remember that from Genesis all the way through to Revelation, the bible is Israel-centric, and how YHVH desires to establish His kingdom upon the earth, with Jerusalem as its capital and Christ as its King.
The same old problem continues which is: the nation of Israel still rejects Yeshua as the Christ, and has never repudiated the crime of her farthers. If the rejection of YHVH’s Son was offensive in the first century, then it’s just as offensive today, and will continue to be so until the day Israel as a nation repents of this sin. Hence Israel will be subjected to a time of trouble such as never experienced throughout her entire history, when through adversity a remnant of them will repent, and Christ will intervene to save them from their enemies.
YHVH has shown clearly that in recent history, He has been helping Israel, and yet as always their ingratitude persists. Israel sees her achievements from a purely pragmatic perspective, and believes that such achievements are based entirely upon human endeavour. Such an attitude was both vain and foolish in biblical times, and remains vain and foolish today. Even more astounding is the fact that these recent events in Israel’s history, show quite clearly that YHVH is working His purpose out with the nation, and that Israel’s wilful disobedience betrays the depth of her pervesity. Equally peverse are those who claim to follow the Prince of PEACE, who rally to Israel’s cause and Zionist agenda, and cheer her on when Israel makes fools of her enemies. Although YHVH is allowing the Zionists to fulfill His purpose, this does not reflect credit in any way on the people themselves. Ezekiel 36 v 22 “I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for my holy names sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went”.
The bible talks about the destruction of the beast. We see this destruction described by means of imagery as in Nebuchadnezzars dream when it’s struck at the feet by Christ. The beast which Christ destroys is a composite structure consisting of all the empires standing in their entirity at the end of days. At the centre of this impending catastrophic event is Jerusalem because it is the epicentre, as well as the heart and mind of the beast empire. The Zionists support the beast from the feet upwards, and control it from the bridle down. Israel is the head that was “wouded to death” Rev 13 v 3..”and the world wondered after the beast”. No other nation has re-appeared upon the world stage with such suddeness, to make the impact that it has..Rev 13 v 4 “…who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him”. Israel’s enemies have so far been unable to defeat them. The whore of Revelation represents Israel and its capital Jerusalem, just as it did in Isa 1 v 21 “How is the faithful city become an harlot”. Also, the Jews are described as the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorah Isa 1 v 10. For this reason Yeshua says talking of Jerusalem Lk 19 v 44 “And shall lay thee even to the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another…”.
The land of Israel belongs to Christ and his bride, it is a wedding gift from the Farther to His Son and his beloved. Israel is not the property of the Zionists or the Muslims or the universal church etc etc. The Zionists claims that Israel belongs to them, and that Abraham is their farther is a counterfeit claim..their farther is the devil as Yeshua said. A Jew is one who is one inwardly..not outwardly..Rom 2 v 28, and therefore the promise is to those who are the true descendants of Abraham..i.e. the Seed and those who are Christ’s at his coming. Sure, a remnant of Israel after the flesh will be reborn in Christ when she travails at his coming..Rev 12 v 2.
Babylon is nothing to do with Catholicism, (although this counterfeit religion will be removed) Babylon is corrupted Israel who has assumed that well earned title for the whore that she is.
Hedley
Your comment is grossly antisemtic in nature. Your perception of Israel is distorted and influenced by the Luciferan media.
I suggest you make some effort to discover the truth of the relationship between God and Israel and mend your attitudes.
Antisemitism is not allowed here, so this is a notice to you to discontinue such rash comments.
Sorry Hedley but Israel can’t be either the beast nor the woman who rides it and certainly not both. There are far too many verses that simply do not fit. Even the one you used about the deadly wound is ludicrous since it was over 2000 years ago, long before the prophecy was written.
And God has no plans to destroy Israel. In fact, in the upcoming war of Gog, He will destroy Israel’s enemies Himself. The two witnesses will preach the gospel to Israel during the tribulation to let them know who their savior truely is, so they better listen or else they will be in as much trouble as the apostate Christians.
Plus the Book of Revelation was not written for the Jews, but for Christians. Many Christians assume it is about Israel or they think they will be raptured, so it can’t possibly be about them. But the message of the Book of Revelation is simple and clear – Christ is returning and there will be a cleansing of sin when He gets here. The wicked will be destroyed along with all pagan practices such as Christmas, Easter and Sunday worship among many others. That doesn’t leave many people out, so we all have straighten up or else get reprimanded.
So don’t be too hard on the Jews – it might come back to bite you in the ass someday.
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Hi James,
You will have to forgive me for my late reply..it’s just life and running a small business which takes up an 84 hr week as standard.
Yes, I can see the confusion regarding the beast and the harlot, however, I don’t see the problem. I believe the bible is describing different aspects of the beast empire by using different symbols to show us which nations are invloved, as well as their characteristics, and common purpose.
The beast empire is a composite structure made up of different governments, who each give their authority over to one central master..Israel. The reason they hand over territorial independance, is because they are unable to make war with Israel. Israel is too strong at this juncture, due to their vast Zionist resources.The beast empire in it’s macro sense is all the epmires represented in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream standing as a collective entity at the end of days, and in it’s micro sense it is Israel or the little horn of Dan 7, that annexes the ten horns or ten kings of Ps 83 & Rev 17 v 13. When Christ returns to destroy the beast system (the rock cut out without hands), Yeshua strikes the feet of the image first. Therefore, the feet have to be standing on the land of Israel, as this is the place where Christ will reveal himself to his people, and at the same time begin to remove the beast which includes Zionism as a secualar body to be replaced with true Zionism..YHVH’s holy mount.
The head that was wounded describes a nation which makes a remarkable recovery at the end of time..Israel. No other nation has been so globaly persecuted as the Jews..they were mortally wounded and have been revived. The valley of dry bones, the fig tree shooting forth its leaves, the head recovering are all different ways of saying the same thing..it’s unbelieving and unrepentant Israel restored. Israel was submerged beneath the sea of nations in the diaspora, and has risen out of the sea (Rev 13 v1) to re-establish herself, and take control of other territories in the vicinity through war, politics, and finance. The second beast coming up out of the earth (Rev 13 v 12) is just a progression of the first beast which evolves into a more complex system. The “earth” is usually recognised by bible scholars as meaning the land of Israel, or at the very least the middle east area. The second phase of the beast then makes those who have handed their authority over to Israel, to worship or rather submit to Israel as an act of obeisance (Rev 17 v’s 11-13), which also involves a shaky peace deal between Israel and her sworn enemies. However, the peace deal is a massive fraud in which Israel’s enemies use the time to conspire against her..Dan 8 v 25 “..and by peace shall destroy many”…also 1 Thes 5 v 3 “For when they shall say peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape”…and Rev 12 v 2 “And she being with child cried, (Israel again) travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered”. This is the time of Jacobs trouble which leads to the spiritual rebirth of a dead nation, and the establishment of YHVH’s kingdom on earth.
YHVH will allow Jerusalem to be destroyed by Israel’s enemies Mark 13 v 1-2 “And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings there are here! And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down”..Rev 17 v’s 16-18 & Rev 18 v’s 9-10.
Political and secular Zionisism is the heart and mind of the beast.The harlot is just a figure showing Israel controling the structure as a security measure to keep its enemies where it wants them, however, in the end Israel fails with disasterous consequences until they say baruch haba b’shem adonai!
the heart and mind of the beast is Islam, in my opinion.
The true anti-Christ are those who are of the same heart and mind as those who crucified Yeshua..they were the beast! That beast has a head which was mortally wounded in AD 70, and is represented by mount Sinai. That head has returned as the New World Order, which is litered with Zionists, and is determined to go further than the 1st Reich of the Holy Roman Empire, and much further than the 2nd Reich of the Nazi regime, and is set to create one world government. An invisable government of international bankers controlling the IMF; BIS; The World Bank; Stock markets; the International Securities Fund; Mossad; CIA; MI6; FSB; and others via their government puppets, as well as the media and international trade. No wonder no one can make war with the third Reich..the beast..Israel! Israel/Jerusalem that was, and now is, is the precedent for unbelief and as the BIG MUMA of harlots she serves well those who are her daughters, and any who fornicate themselves with her.those who act as her publicity agents too!!!
The two witnesses will preach to Israel..not to cheer them on from the touch line, or to encourage others to do the same, but to tell them the truth about the fate that waits them! The witnesses will not give patronage to Israel after the flesh (Agar) although they will be treted as enemies of the State..Rev 11:8 “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified”…Jerusalem/Agar.
Rev 17:6 “And I saw the woman (Galations 4 Agar/mount Sinai), drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus” & v 18 “This woman (Agar) which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth”..Jerusalem/Agar.
What’s going to happen to Zionist Jerusalem after shedding the blood of those who belong to Christ.. the following is prophetic within the tight narrative..Math 21:19 & 21 “And when he saw a fig tree (Israel) in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, (typical of Israel after the flesh) but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away….Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If you have faith, and doubt not (Israel after the flesh did and does), ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain (Agar/Jerusalem drunk with the blood of the prophets/witnesses), Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea (just like the herd of swine); it shall be done”.
Hedley
We ALL killed Jesus.
Are you without sin?
Only a handful of people crucified Jesus. most of the population had no part in it.
Dude,
How are things over at Strom Front?
ha !
Hi Hedley,
I can see how you may have come to your conclusions about Israel and the beasts, but none of it makes any sense to me. As I’ve said, you can support just about any theory by pulling a few verses out of context.
For example, the verses in Daniel 8 was fulfilled by the Persian empire and the verse, “there shall not be left one stone upon another,“ refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans.
As for the term “earth” where the beasts come from, I can assign no significance to either the sea or the earth. If you read Daniel’s description of the four beasts, in one verse he uses the sea and when he describes them a second time, he uses the earth. If you try to substitute the word “Israel” for the word “Earth” throughout the bible you simply end up with a big mess.
But the main objection I have to this theory is that it is simply whack. For you to be right, Israel will have to conquer ten nations, then completely destroy three of them (pluck them up by the roots). Who do you suppose those countries will be? Will they be Arab nations? European nations? Africa? South America? Will the rest of the world sit back and let this happen?
Also, the first beast is given authority to rule for 1260 years. That is the exact length of time that the Holy Roman Empire was in control. It started with 10 nations but three Aryan nations (the Vandals, Ostrogoths and Heruli) were destroyed by the Vatican (the little horn). I don’t know how much math you’ve had, but the odds of that happening as a simple coincidence is staggering. There are 18 other fulfilled verses from Revelation and I’ve done the statistics on them, but after the first 12, I stopped calculating when the odds reached 50 trillion to one!
So what do you think the chances are for your scenario to take place? Even money? 10 to 1? 1000 to 1? How about 50 trillion to one?
Sorry but I just don’t see it ever happening. Its even crazier than a single dictator taking over the whole planet and implanting chips in everyone for banking purposes. Of course that would contradict your idea, since Israel would also have to be under the control of the Antichrist.
Of course, if you believe your theory and if you believe in the bible, then anything could happen if controlled by God Himself.
But if man has control over human events, then I don’t see any of it happening.
Bless.
Hi James,
Israel has without question been the most persecuted race amongst all the peoples of the earth. The ubiquitous Jew has been despised above all others, and pursued by their enemies to the ends of the earth, and yet they still survive as a race with a unique identity. Surviving against such huge odds makes the Jew a testimony to the fact that YHVH is their God and keeper. However, the fact that they have been persecuted is also a testimony that YHVH will not be mocked, least of all by His chosen people, and therefore in the light of Deut 28, they have been punished above all nations for their trechery. The fact that the Jews said…Math 27:25 “Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our CHILDREN”…is a self indictment for a grievous sin from which the Jewish race has not repented. So, the Jew has carried out its fair share of persecutions against the people of YHVH, by killing the prophets and treating them as enemies of the State. So it was in Christ’s day when Caiaphas, as well as the chief priests and elders of State formed a merry band of persecutors, to become the anti-Christ and rulers of fierce countenance! So it will be again, when the Jewish State persecutes the two winesses for preaching to the nation of Israel..Rev 17:6 “drunken with the blood of the martyres of Jesus”. So, the Jews do have a habit of biting people on the ass..just like a serpent!
If you don’t think Israel is capable of such persecution just look at their history. Even in recent history we see how inhumane or violent the Zionists can be e.g. Feb 18th 1943..Zionist Izzak Greenbaum, head of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee said in a speech to the Zionist Executive Council “If I am asked: could you give from the United Jewish Appeal monies to rescue Jews, I say no, and I say again no!” He went further, “One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland”. The bomb which blew up the King David hotel..amongst Brits and Arabs, they killed 17 of their own people. Through their vast network of banking they control the IMF; BIS; and many State banks, as well as the International Securities fund for financing terrorism, wars, and assasanations. They control much of the media, and politicians are just the front-men who do the biding of the Rothschild’s, Rockafellar’s, Bilderbergs etc etc etc. The Zionists sit on almost every important panel of State or finance in the West, especially where the USA is concerned..they are your masters and some of you are their publicity agents.
Secular Israel is definately the whore Isa 1:21 “How is this faithful city become an harlot”..and as such becomes the precedent for Revelation when history repeats itself. Israel’s spiritual wickedness is likened unto Sodom and Gomorah, as well as Babylon and Eygypt. Just as Israel’s enemies were described as beasts, so she has become a beast by persecuting Christ, the two witnesses and the saints..perhaps she is also the king of fierce coutenance..Dan 8. Allbeit that Dan 8 has some historical context, it also has a future context. The narrative takes into account a future time when the beast as a composite structure, consisting of all previous empires represented by the image stand together at the end of days..e.g Dan 8 clearly shows there are also future applications v 17 “..O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision”.
The 1260 days is equal to 3.5 years or 42 months. This is linked to Dan 9:27 and the last week of the 70 weeks prophecy when in the midst of the week Jerusalem is trodden down under foot..69 weeks are accounted for at which point Christ was crucified but the last week is still future. The remaining week or seven years is also tied in with Rev 12:14 “..time, and times, and half a time..”. It doesn’t have anything to do with years or ecclesiastical Rome. Some scholars think of Rome as being the subject of Revelation because, as a city it sits on seven hills, however, it’s not the place where our Lord was crucified. Unfortunately, even scholars take things out of context. If I was to ask a Christian to research the meaning of the Passover Lamb, there would be no point them going off to some farm in New Zealand or Australia to find the answer!
As regards the earth being a substitute for Israel it depends on the context and I will have to refere to some notes I have for that one. As for the sea..in Lk 21:25 “..and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring”. The sea and the nations in this context are one and the same thing. In the diaspora Israel was submerged beneath a sea of nations, later to rise out of those seas (the bottomless pit) to become a persecuting beast. The bible uses different symbols to desribe an entity which has manifold characteristics, and of course this can cause confusion. I think the Rome idea has been around for a long time, and started in an age when Catholocism persecuted Anglicans and Muslims and vice versa too. As much as I feel Catholocism and Islam is counterfeit, neither of them reject Christ in the same way as Jews do! And therein lies the problem and is the reason why the Jews will suffer for it.
The Zionists have a political agenda, and do not represent Zionism as defined in the bible. Zionism in the bible is about the establishment of YHVH’s kingdom in Israel, with Christ sitting on the throne of his farther David..mount Zion is a term used for YHVH’s righteous government centred in Jerusalem. It has nothing to do with Zionist zealots who presume to be Abraham’s spiritual children, and who treat ownership of Israel as their right..it isn’t and wasn’t for Abraham either. Abraham was promised the land of Israel as an inheritance based on faith. Faith was the proviso within the Covenant relationship..just as it is for us.
Hedly, you fail to include Isaiah 6:10-12 in your discussion of those of Israel who continue to reject Messiah. Isaiah affirms God’s ‘deafening’ and ‘blinding’ of the remnant for divine purposes…and they remain so ‘to this day.’ If interested in scriptural background and reference on the subject as well as the ‘seven thousand’ left open to affirm Messiah, the following posts at my site discuss them in detail: Restoration of ‘Remnant, Fulness of Gentiles, and Remnant: “Can’t Hear’ Gospel.
Hi Internet alias, yes Israel has been blinded, and so was Pharaoh king of Egypt..the sun that melts wax also hardens clay, and yet as with Sodom YHVH Elohim holds out for the slightest sign of repentance, and so it will be for Israel. YHVH will redeem a remnant of Israel, however, the majority of Jews will not respond to the two witnesses, and therefore will remain in unbelief, leaving the majority to be destroyed. The past history of the Jews to treat those who came to warn them of such impending doom with contempt, will again unleash itself against the two witnesses..Rev 11:8 “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified”. Unless it’s escaped your notice Jerusalem is where Yeshua was crucified, and therefore Jerusalem (Gal 4:25 “For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children”) is synonymous with all that is evil, and Israel after the flesh with unbelief. Whilst the kingdom of YHVH is dependant upon that small remnant of Jews accepting Yeshua, and being sealed, it remains that the present State of Israel is not recognised by YHVH. Yes, it’s true that Israel is a sign to the world that YHVH is working His purpose out, and the circumsatnces of its establishment as a nation is a miracle, it is not a divine kingdom. Even though YHVH has allowed the long and menacing tentacles of Zionism, to bring about the re-establisment of Israel as a nation, such allowances has no bearing on the character of the people involved.
No one is without sin..neither Jew or Gentile, however, Israel after the flesh due to their history of consistent disobedience, and killing the prophets including Christ, has become a precedent for unbelief. To say that only a handful of the nation was responsible for murdering the Son of YHVH’s right hand, is so far from the truth it makes the east and west of the Tabenacle, look like they are one and the same. We have all done things which put Christ on the cross, we have all impaled him, we are all guilty, and hopefully we have repented. Nonetheless Christ came to the house of YHVH’s lost sheep in the image of his Farther, and provided irrefutable evidence of his credentials as Mashiach. Of course, this situation has a salutary lesson for all of us, to walk humbly before our Elohim. Therefore, Israel bore great responsibility in this matter, and so the greatest condemnation was awarded Lk 10:11-12 “Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe of against you: not withstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of YHVH is come nigh unto you. But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city”. “I will overturn, overturn, overturn it…until he come whose right it is”.
Ezek 36:31-31 “Then shall ye remember your own eveil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loath yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. NOT FOR YOUR SAKES DO I THIS, saith the Lord Elohim, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confouded for your own ways, O House of Israel”.
The land of Israel belongs to YHVH and His annointed, and those who are found to have their names included in the Lambs book of life..those who constitute spritual Israel..like Abraham and other great worthies who shared in like faith. The pleasant land does not belong to Israel after the flesh, whose claim to it is one of mere presumption based on ancestry. Even under the Old Covenant one’s relationship with YHVH and the associated promises, was always based on faith..not sectarianism as we see with the Zionism which you and your cohort seem to support.
The book of Revelation invites us all to to expect the unexpected: Rev 17:8 “..they that dwell on earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life..when they shall behold the beast”.
A challenge indeed!
Finally, written from a Natsarim Israelite perspective being grafted into Yashua, and respecting the Torah is what is important to me..the Zionists do nothing except insult the Torah and the ordinance of Yahuah. Wouldn’t want to be on the side of those whose only claim to fame, is the financial sponsorship of wars, as well as many other evil exploits involving the murder of innocent people, in order to grab by violence what does not belong to them!
I’m a christian who live in the country for most numbers muslim in the world, Indonesia. So, then ican tell you that numbers of
VERSES of QORAN NEVER 666.
Some says that versus numbers of Qoran are under 6.300 ( 6.210 verses, others says 6.236, or 6.220, ect )
I copied from the top this page and i think this is HOAX :
Carbon is the 6th element in the Periodic table.
Additional note from an Islamiat student I talked to:
There are 666 verses, or ayats, in the Quran.
What do you think?
Either the number 666 is the number of the beast [evil], as the Bible describes,
or
it is the holy number of the Quran.
You cannot believe the 666 is both good and evil. You have to make a choice as to what you believe.
Is the Bible correct, or is the Quran correct, on this? Your eternal destiny depends on the choice you make.
Hi lovejakarta,
Just as a side note, I once had an aquaintance with a Mr Surya Paloh a media publisher of a well known Idonesian newspaper. I believe Mr Paloh was also the youngest ever politician in the entire history of your government.
Anyway, regarding the number 666, or Chi Xi Stigma in the Greek, it would seem that looking for comparisons between this and bismallah, takes an awful lot of neck-stretching, as well as using a mirror, in order to see any similarities…perhaps standing on ones head might also help!
To some extent I have played devil’s advocate in some of my posts regarding my view on the book of Revelation, and prophecy in general. In some of my posts I have claimed that Islam appears to be the beast, and in others it’s Zionist Israel. The only thing I will say, is that I do believe that Islam and Zionist Israel, both have a part to play in fulfilling end times prophecy. Chiefly, it’s about YHVH dealing with the problem of Israel’s unbelief. If we consider the territories covered by the image..Babylon; Medo-Persia; Greece; and Rome, not all of these areas are Islamic, though many are, with Israel at the centre…it’s a real mix of politics and religion..iron and clay. Israel’s unbelief is the number one enemy in the plan and purpose of YHVH, and one which prevents the kingdom of YHVH being established upon earth, and one which will be removed by devastation when Israel will be crushed until a remanant cries out to their Elohim. This process will involve a great witnessing to Israel, when the Spirit is poured out upon those who have been reserved for that purpose.
I have read many books (including the bible of course), attended many studies and seminars, and searched the internet for any clues as to what or who the beast might be, only to discover contradictions in a number of the viewpoints including some of my own. There are so many facets to the book of Revelation, consisting of a concentration of symbols taken from the Old and New Testaments. In our striving to understand what all these symbols mean, we can as a result of enthusiasm become dogmatic, only to realise that we may have taken a wrong turn..hence the varying wiewpoints on this site. Just when all the pieces of the bible seem to come together, another passage of scripture frustrates our analysis, leaving us slightly domoralised. However, we continue onwards with our enthusiasm in search of ‘Truth’.
Assalom Aleykum to all of you. I am a bit disturbed by this posting.
1) Nowhere in the Quran does it state the number 666.
2) Where is the concept that Quran has 666 verses? There are over 6,000 ayat in the Quran.
3) The site mentioned in above post as a Muslim site http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com, is a site for reaching Muslims for Christ. How is this an Islamic site?
4) The Quran never states that the Jews are evil, and is not against Jerusalem. Numerous times it mentions how Allah bestowed favor on the Children of Israel, just to have them chase other gods. This is consistent with the Bible. Also it states there are true and false believers in every religious group. This is also consistent with the words of Christ, “Lord, Lord we prophesied in your name.” Christ replied, “Depart from me, I never knew you.”
Please get the facts straight before attacking the religion of Islam. Yes there are Salafis and Wahhabi who are extremists who make a bad name for Islam, and they should be ashamed.
There are also sick extremists that call themselves Christians such as the KKK, and the Freemasons who use the Bible to justify their sick stances.
Muslims are generally classified as the following:
1) Sunni
2) Shi’a
To my understanding, being a Shi’a, the Sunni follow the sayings of Muhammad (hadith) as being equivalent to that of the Quran. I personally do not follow this.
Shi’a follow the Quran and some follow the teaching of the Old Testament and Gospels of Christ. This is where I personally stand in like of the aya in Quran which states:
Surah 3:55
Allah said: “O Jesus! I am terminating your life and raising you to Myself and clearing you of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute.
Have a blessed day.
Azad Sean
AzadSeanBogolubov@gmail.com
hi Asad
1. The number 666 does not have to be stated. It is supposed to be a holy number derived from calculations.
there is also a 2nd muslim website
http://www.66619.org/thequran.htm
2. it is also what bismallah looks like in the greek text.
see the picture at the top of the post.
i disagree dat not wearing 666 doesnt make u a true believer!!!
what makes u a true believer is praying 5 times a day!!…you will be judged by your intentions!!
iqra
It is the grace of God that saves us, not how many times we pray. Have you ever heard the Gospel (good news) explained by a Christian before? It is a FREE GIFT, meaning no repayment required, The only thing one need to do is receive that gift! God will take care of the rest. (Change us from within, our intentions as you put it).
God bless.
I’m sorry but all facts of muslims believing this number to be holy are all false. I am follower of Islam and such things are never mentioned. It represents to us as it does to you, The Anti-Christ. I am also a follower of Jesus and all that he was for, the no.19 is not a holy number either, and further on that I think all should know by now that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 was an inside job. I am pro-christianity and pro-judaism, as all muslims we are just against satan and those who follow him, eg. those who are really in control of america, for they are satanists. With some proper research you will find the lies that are being fed to the public, please watch The Arrivals on youtube for some enlightenment, watch it and believe what you want. God sent the Torah, but it was infiltrated and changed by ancient satanists, so The Bible was sent as another attempt but once again it was infiltrated, the prophet Jesus was murdered and the Bible was infiltrated by the very same people that killed Jesus. So then the Quraan was sent and made to be memorized so that it is forever in its original form. Islam is not what you are shown in the media, the truths of its peace are not shown and therefore not believed. You may say what you want now, but please when all is revealed do not turn to Satan thinking it is right, turn to the one true god, for that is the one common belief amongst all religions.
dear Zaakir
I appreciate your viewpoint, and agree in part, and disagree in part.
There is no proof that the scriptures have bee tampered with. This is just an empty claim made by those who choose not to believe them.
there are thousands of fulfilled biblical prophecies which prove its authenticity.
I believe every word of he bible just as you believe your Quran.
the claim that 911 was a conspiracy is also a conspiracy. there was plenty of proof at the time that it was done by terrorists,,,,they even admitted to doing it. and rejoiced at the tragedy. now they take advantage of the internet smokescreen and change their minds about what they did.
the aliens who are on this earth now are a demonic presence. I would not trust any of them.
if you seek the truth you will find it.
may god bless you
this is boo ship ,who wrote this wherever about this title or journal what you write is really wrong we have no any idea what did mean about it an evil number ,and the muslim follow something from the evil way huh you are in big mistake read agine and agine in muslim religion or even your religion read it agine bye
Hi Ahmed & Zaakir,
You have to remember that Marianne and this site is principly pro-zionism..however, its view of zionism is not biblically based. Instead it takes up the political banner for zionism (and its associated disobedience) in a patronising way. They assume that as the Jews are the chosen people of Yahweh Elohim they can do no wrong, and this itself is a very wrong point of view.
For the most part of Jewish history the Jews because of their disobedience, have been under Yahweh’s condemnation. The Jews remain in unbelief (for a reason), however, their unbelief is the arch-enemy of Yaweh. The central point of Yaweh’s purpose is to create a new heart within the Jewish people, so that they can truly be His people. At the moment the Jews as a nation/race have by enlarge chosen not to be Yahweh’s people, and in their unbelief, they do (above all peoples and nations) the things which are an abomination in the sight of their Elohim. Yahweh has a plan to remove their disobedience because the establishment of His kingdom depends on the Jew being grafted back into the olive tree, but only when they recognise their evil ways..the ways that Marianne and her cronies applaud!!!
As for the number 666, we simply don’t know enough about the meaning to apply it to Islam or anything else..equally it may well have a Jewish application..but only time will tell. One thing about the Walid Shoebat interpretation is that he’s (allegedly) been financed by some very powerful Americans to perpetrate this viewpoint against Islam!!!
There is no need for anyone of us to be biased towards political and humanist reasoning. We can all pray for those who are truly Israel (in their hearts), and for Ephraim to return unto Yahweh so that the inheritance can be apportined to those who do not presume to own the land by violence, but who will receive the bleesing as a gift by virtue of the works of Yeshua ha Meshiah.
hedley
Yes you are right, I am pro- Israel, which is pro-zionism.
No, you are wrong, I am absolutely biblical based, and i have pages proving that.
Everything I say is based on scripture.
the only ones who are anti-zionism are those who are anti-semitic, so that is something to think about.
god has already promised in scripture to crush any nation or individual who comes against the state of Israel.
so you cannot claim to be part of “true Israel” if you condemn those who live in the state of Israel.
obviously you have never been there, and know nothing of the people there.
Walid Shoebat is a former Palestinian terrorist, so he knows the truth behind Islam and the intentions of the Palestinians, who are helping to create world war 3.
Islam is a lie. As such, it is a pagan religion worshiping a false god, and following a mad man who raped, and murdered.
The word made flesh, who loves his creation so much, was born a virgin, was murdered for human sin, and rose from the dead to be at the right hand of G-d the Father. This is the truth that will set you free.
Happy Resurrection Day.
True Israel are those who have the faith of Abraham, and Abraham did not claim the inheritance promised to him, but rather saw that promise affar off in the fulfilment of the works of Yeshua ha Meshiah. Yeshua ha Meshiah will determin who has a right to the land of Israel, and whilst it will include for sure, those of natural Israel (that is the primary intention of Yahweh Elohim), it remains that they too will only aquire possession of the land by faith, and not by force.
Abraham establishes the precedent for faith, and how to act according to that very same faith..he didn’t claim that right by force, and neither can we or more importantly neither can the Jews. Even Joshua could only possess the land because of his faith, leaving most of those who wandered through the wilderness in thieir graves because of disobedience through unbelief.
You on the other hand are pro zionist/nationalist, and this is not the biblical basis upon which you can claim, or support those whose claim to the land of Israel is one of presumption and nationalism..to presume is a form of disobedience. It was the nationalists or zionists of Yeshua’s day who murdered him (of whom Yeshua indicted them as having the devil as their father)..it was they who were the anti-Meshiah, and so it is true today..and you support them! That’s not to say that we should on the other hand support Islam, because it is a pagan religous force, and one which may well be used against Israel to bring them to repentance. However, Islam is no more or less than a pagan force than the zionist presumptions to claim the land of Israel as their own without faith..for without faith it is impossible to please Yahweh Elohim..although quite to the contrary you seem to think it is!!! UMMM!!!
I’m afraid your claims of support for the zionist movement to be biblically based are false, and totally misguided. Zionism in the bible has nothing to do with the nationalist claims of the zionist movement. Zionism in the Holy Script is about Mount Zion, and is associated with the mother of true Israelites i.e. Sarah and those of the faith of Abraham by virtue of a covenant with everlasting life in Yeshua ha Meshiah. You support those who do not have a covenant of faith, but rather a covenant of death by association with Mount Sinai whose mother is Haggar, and whose father is the devil!!! No wonder it will be a day of darkness for natural Israel should they continue to refuse to repent. It is our spiritual duty to pray for natural Israel to repent, and for them to claim the true Zionism in Yeshau ha Meshiah without it’s violence, and leave it to Yahweh Elohim to take vengeance against their enemies, and give them the land at the appointed time!!!
hedley
Zionism is part of God’s plan:
God said he would return he jews to their homeland, and they would never be removed from there again.
All has occurred according to prophecy,
Israel is descended from Sarah, not haggar.
You claim to know Yeshua, but you lack his heart and will.
Yes indeed, true Zionism is from Yahweh Elohim..ah..but it’s not the same zionism that you support!!!
The zionist Israel you support isn’t from Sarah, spiritually they are begotton of Haggar(Math 21:20..the fig tree that was cursed and withered away) and dead in their sins..it’s an allegory as the apostle Paul clearly states in Galatians chapter 4:24..perhaps you should read Gal chapters 3 & 4 lest you too should be bewitched! This same theme is continued in Revelation.
Both Haggar and Sarah represent two different classes of Jews, and we too can be added to one of those two classes depepending on whether we have the faith of Abraham or not. The Jews have returned to their historical homeland as promised so that the chaff can be removed from the wheat..or Haggar removed from the land leaving only those begotton of Sarah..which will also include a remnant of natural Israel once they have repented.
Unfortunately, you are part of the zionist nationalist support team, and would be better off serving in the Kenesset, or better still Mossad. I suppose you could equally join the American administration as they are governed largely by zionists anyway. If you want to mislead yourself then that’s fine, but you shouldn’t mislead others with your half-baked interpretation of the scriptures, and lead people down a path to destruction!
you cannot prove your case…there is nothing wrong with the current state of Israel as a national state. It would be nice if it were not surrounded by blood thirsty enemies.
this is all just your opinion…it is antisemitic
Hedley, your comment on April 8, 2012 at 5:52 pm….Well said
Muslims are numbered in Billions -Jews in a few million- Muslims intent is to destroy Israel. Muslims are decendents of Ishmael – who it is written have the mind of ‘an ass’ or donkey -every man against his brother and the other nations.
God’s plan is rapidly coming to pass when Jesus will return and fight them as inthe day of battle- muslims will be destroyed -Zech. 12 -read it and many other prophesies.
Dear Marriane,
With all my respect to all what you’ve wrote and to everyone replied on your ideas and your hard work, One God have created the world and one God have created the human being and one God will take all what he’ve created, as same as your figuring your ideas, The same people are trying to figure ideas with Islam, If you need to know about Islam you have to return directly to Qura’an and then to the speechs of the Prophet Mohammed before searching on islamic websites, Kindly watch the below video as I really hope that could help you to find what your looking for and you might also find that The Qura’an is words of Allah which told us before 1433 years things have been discovered now a days and signs started to apear now a days, and facts are happening … The Qura’an talks about past, present and future, accept my apology … Thank you
Hi Ali,
The problem with the Qura’an, is that there are a number of historians who have examined the life and works of Mohamet (the prophet of Islam), who have concluded that he was a fraudster. Mohamet plagiarised the Old and New Testaments of the bible, and used its literary material from those sources to form a hybrid religion called Islam. Furthermore, Islam is the religion of the moon god which was widely worshiped throughout the fertile plain of the Arabian peninsular. Mohamet already had a captive audience of moon god worshipers, to whom he proclaimed the moon god allah to be the true god.
The prophetic value of the Qura’an is about zero, and that which seems like prophecy has been coveted from the true word of Yahweh the Elohim of Yisrael..i.e. the Holy Bible or the Tanach and the brit chadasha. There is no other prophetic message other than the Tanach, and this has been carried forward into the brit chadasha, and again into the book of Revelation. There is total consistency throughout the scriptures apart from a few spelling errors, and the ocassional misinterpretation eg the Reed Sea (Yam Suff) as apposed to the Red Sea. Apart from these errors the entire course of Yahweh’s message is thematic from Genesis to Revelation..a message which states quite clearly that salvation is of the Jews..not Mohamet or allah.
Although salvation is of the Jews, the Jewish race have by enlarge been a disobedient nation, and therefore have received of Yahweh’s judgements equal in measure to their unbelief. This is a continuing situation with present Yisrael, who do not acknowledge to the true Yisrael..Yeshua ha Meshiah..the Prince of El which is what the name of Yisrael means. The final solution for the nation of Yisrael is that their Elohim..Yahweh, will give Yisrael’s enemies power to bring that nation of sleepers to it’s knees, to make them cry out for help, and confess their sin of unbelief. I am almost certain that the enemies of Yisrael in Ps 83 who are Islamic, will come against Yisrael with a huge amount of initial success, but who are then destroyed by Yeshua and his armies.
The problem we have in the land of Promise, is that we have two brother nations each descended from Avraham, and each claiming a right to the inheritance of the first born. However, the first born in the eyes of Yaweh Elohim is the first born of faith..Avraham; Yitzchach; and then Yacov. That’s why there is a list of the faithful servents of Yahweh in the book of Hebrews chapter 11, because it was by virtue of faith that those who obeyed Yahweh, could be entitled to be a Hebrew as one who crossed over from unbelief to belief, and for this reason only could they or anyone become benefactors of the promises associated with Avraham’s seed, the Meshiah Yeshua the true Yisrael..the Prince of El.
So whether you are Islamic or zionist, or of any religion that does not put on the saving name of Yeshua the Prince of El through baptism and belief, you have no right to claim the Promised Land..eretz Yisrael as an inheritance and will be treated as nothing more than squaters profaning the whole meaning of Yisrael!!!
I’ve seen lots of negative post against Islam, and none of them where supported by documented facts.
666 is a holly number for Muslims? Funny. hahaha. and who was that Historian said Muhammad plagiarized bible? and how could it be that something that was full of descrepancies in contents be plagiarized by a poor one grew orphan and lived in saudi arabia which is a full of barbarous people before Islam came to that country. and that is work his own work is very much pleasing to the ear that has rithym in every part like a perfect peom. he didn’t even have a chance to go to school or be taught by anyone. could you point even just one verse in Qur’an that contradicts another verse from it? you couldn’t, because it was perfectly made. without even grammatical or spelling errors.
why do evil people need to fabricate informations just to provoke one’s religion?
what moon god? only idiot worships the moon? Islam is not even symbolized by moon. Ignorant being.
666 is bullshit!!! could you say that also? MAYBE you can’t. maybe its holly number for you?
Hey I just wanted to say thank you for searching out this truth and taking the time to post about it. I re-blogged your post on my blog. Blessings to you!!!
Thanks Sarah.
Be Blessed in His Presence!
The New Testament, both Gospel authors and Paul, use themes from the Old Testament and refer to them and retell them. So, are the authors of the Gospels and Paul necessarily plagiarizers of the Old Testament and is the New Testament a work of frauds? If your answer is no, then you can’t claim that Quran is a fraud’s work, either. It’s that simple. Can’t you just stop and think?
Hi Adem, one has to remember first and foremost that the scriptures both Old and New Testaments are a complete harmony of Yawheh’s word..there are no contradictions. The Old Testament is the New Testament contained, and the New Testament is the Old Testament explained..no plagiarising! This can’t be said for the Quran, as Mohamet contradicted himself on more than one occassion, as in the example of the satanic vereses etc.
One thing I would like to go on to mention is one of anti-semetism, because a lot of hard stuff is said about Arabic peoples. It’s something that goes far and wide, and doesn’t only apply to the Jewish nation, if indeed it ever does apply to the Jewish people of today, and possible not where most are concerned. When the Jews shout about anti-semetism towards them, they are hypocrytes, because they are the worst. The word semetic as you probably know is a contraction of the word Shem, and a proper rendering of the word Semetic ought to Shemetic. The descendants of Shem include the Assyrians; Aramaens; as well as the Arabic side of Abraham’s family, and therefore, when the Jew shows hostility towards her Arab neighbours, it too is anti-semetic!
Furthermore, the encyclopdea Judaica states (especially in the case of Ashkanazis) that they originate from the Khazars in Turkey, and are more likely to be related to the Hun, than having anything to do with an Abrahamic ancestry. Also, (Rom 2:28) a Jew is one who is one inwardly, not one who who is one outwardly..it’s all about faith and has absolutely nothing to do with bloodlines. Read Galations chapters 3 & 4 to get an even broader view of the same scripture.
The Zionists today have perverted the true meaning of Zionism, true Zionism is about Yahweh’s kingdom with Christ as its King reigning on Zion’s holy hill..Jerusalem..the New World capital to be established when Jesus returns, and has nothing to do with their brand of Babylonian Talmudic politics, and one which follows the traditions of the Elders! Todays Zionists are nothing but the High Priests of Sodom and Gomorrah, whose Talmudic supremacist philosophy (similar to Karl Marx’s basis for communist ideology), is one of trying to control the world through its god of gold and finance, as well as politics.
Yahweh delivered the Israelite from the bondage of Eygpt, He delivered the Israelite from Babylonian exile (a punishment for thier continueous sins), yet Yahweh just can’t seem to take the Eygpt or Babylon out of the Israelite..at least not until the Israelite is subjected to a (Dan 12:1) “time of trouble” such never before experienced by that nation of whormongers Ezek 23. When even then most will not repent and will end up as Sodom and Gomorrah, when all the merchants of the earth who fallen for her charms (Rev 18:9) will witness the “smoke of her burning”. Ah, but who will be responsible for Israel’s burning..it will be the 10 toes of Nebuchadnezzars image. Whether such hostile action against Israel will have the blessing of the International Investment banks, just as the Zionists funded Hitler for their purposes to deal with Russia, and backed Churchill (a Jew) who prevented Jews escaping from Nazi Germany, we don’t know the answer. However, I wouldn’t be at all surprised by this bunch of New World Order Pharisees (nice photo of George Bush jnr with a Talmud on internet), to create a conflict against Israel..another holocaust against their own people, in an attempt to win them the hearts and minds of the world, thereby creating a pretext to flatten the Arabs, and notch that bit nearer to world supremacy!
Cute.
“The Sum is greater than it’s parts”. YHVH has everything under control without your condemnation of Yisrael.
Sorry have been busy on other websites etc. One doesn’t need to condemn Yisrael..the bible does it for us from the time of Moses through to the book of Revelation. I am not anti-semetic since the Zionists do a good job of that themselves. From the time of Theodor Herzl who threatened to use anti-semites against his own people with the aim of forcing Jews into accepting and wanting a Jewish homeland of their own to the Zionists funding the Nazi regime (no doubt for the same reason, to Izaak Greenbaum who was head of the Jewish Rescue Agency Committee in his speech to the Zionist Executive Council on the 18th Feb 1943 said the following: ” If I am asked, could you give from the UJA ( the United Jewish Appeal) monies to rescue Jews, I say no, and I say no again!” He went on to say “One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland!” Quite frankly, this comes as no surprise to me the lenghts that Zionists will go to in order to achieve their political aims..even the slaughter of their own kinsmen and women. The Zionists felt it was expedient to sacrifice their own in order to make them want to return to a safe place i.e. Palestine!!! so, thank the Zionists for the sufferings of their people when you think about the holocaust etc.
Just to say, we think about the horrors of the holocaust, but have you ever thought about the holocaust of the Russian Revolution which was also a Zionist creation. On the 29th March 1919 the London Times reports on the Bolsheviks in Russia: “One of the curious features of the Bolshevist movement is the high percentage of non-Russian elements among its leaders. Of the twenty or thirty commissaries, or leaders, who provide the central machinery of the Bolshevist movement, not less than 75% were Jews.” The Bolshevist uprising was a Rothschild Bankster funded enterprise in retaliation to Alexander 1st refusal to go along with Rothschild’s agenda for a New World Order, when some generations later his family were murdered by agents of the London Bankster funded Revolution. What of the horrific consequences of the Russian Revolution..60-70 million Christians and non-Jews murdered by the Zionists who had both created and administered the Russian concentation camp system..read Aleksander Solzhenitsyn work “Gulag Archipelago Vol 2.” Why don’t we have holocaust memorials to the victims of those murdered by the Zionists..including all those who have died fighting the Zionist Bankster wars since the French Revolution through to the First and Second World Wars, on to Korea and Vietnam. You and I have been defrauded by their liarocracy..more the fool are you if you believe in their State sponsored and administered lies!!!
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There are faults that can be found in individuals and human government in every nation. No one condones wrong doing, even by those of Jewish people who choose to do such things. Those who break the laws of the land will be punished and those who break Yah’s law will be punished, the later will be dealt with by Yah personally. Maybe if the bigoted haters of the Jewish people and nation approached them without a predisposition to hate, just because it is widely accepted, maybe things would not be this way. But then, that can’t happen, isn’t that right? You have no choice but to hate the Jews. The bottom line is this; curse Israel and be cursed, or bless Israel and be blessed. That is the only choice you can make that matters. If you choose to bless Israel, then do so and leave Israel in Yah’s hands and He will determine their guilt or innocence and you are blessed in the process, regardless of what happens. Otherwise, spew your hate and reap the consequence by Yah. Your “CHOICE”!
Wow, curse Israel and the Jews and be cursed! So that means the Zionists are cursed above everyone else, and the bible too, as well as Yahweh from what you are saying..ummm!!! That sounds to me like it’s getting very near to blasphemy!!! You see, I would never curse Israel or Jew, neither would I curse the Edomites or other Arabs..rather Lk 6 v 27-28 “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who ill treat you.” However, the Zionists have subjected their own people to the horrors of such atrocities as the holocaust for political gain, because it was expedient for them to sacrifice innocent Jews for the advancement of a Zionist Jewish State. A Jewish State which doesn’t belong to anyone but Christ, and his bride, and not something anyone neitherJew or Arab can claim by force, and in so doing fly in the face of Yahweh.
The bible says a lot about the Jews being cursed by Yahweh in Deut 28 for their disobedience, and makes reference to the nation of Israel as being likened to a harlot in Isaiah 1 v 21..whose worship was meaningless; legalistic; and void of sincerity. Again the term harlot is duplicated in Revelation 17 where once again it is a reference to Zionist Israel or the modern day Pharisee. They were a nation who went a whoring after the gods of other nations, and were far worse than the so called moon-god worshipers of Islam, and still are to this very day. Ever since the time of Christ (as a matter of fact they were before Christ) they have turned places of worship into banks, and have turned banks into the place where they worship. The Zionist banksters are on record as having funded every war since the French Revolution, and given financial support to others in even earlier times such as Oliver Cromwell. In 1847 the wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild Gutle Schapper said arrogantly: “If my sons did not want
wars, there would be none.” And its got far worse since then..it’s on record!!!
The current situation in the middle-east regarding the so called Arab-Spring, is not an Arab-Spring but rather a Zionist-Spring to take the Arabs from one form of dictator and tyrany under one man, to another form of institutional dictatorship and tyrany of the Zionist Banksters. Ha, the Zionist Banksters whom you support have brutalised and trashed the scriptural meaning of Zionism and have relegated it from its place of purity to one of usury which has been responsible for State sponsored murder in the form of wars, and its various other associated war crimes like rape and theft of other lands and possessions..you and they are of the (Rev 2 v 9) synagogue of Satan and all for the love of money and power. John the baptist said Math 3 v 7-9 “But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Saducees coming to where he was baptising, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Produce fruit in keeping with repetance. AND DO NOT THINK YOU CAN SAY TO YOURSELVES. ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I TELL YOU THAT OUT OF THESE STONES GOD CAN RAISE UP CHILDREN FOR ABRAHAM.”
Zionism of the scriptures and political Zionism today are as far apart fromeach other as East is for the West, and never the twain shall meet. The Zionists of today may think they can swop east for west, and confuse everyone in the process with your help, but be it on your conscience to swop righteousness for sin and vice-versa..ha!
My last sentence above should have been simply: but be it on your conscience to swop righteouness for sin..with the omission vice-versa i.e. sin for righteousness..which is what we pray shall not be the endevour of all..me too.
you have a very biased view and interpretation of history.
Written like a true moon god worshiper. Muhammad would be proud.
I bet it is after Friday prayers to the god of the Kaabba, and you found yourself so full of hate you could not help yourself in spreading what your Immam taught you.
What is it like following a 7th century man man, and head butting a carpet five times a day to one of the 360 gods that were at the kaabba before Muhammad showed up, and made your kind worship only Sin the god of the moon?
Hi Redneck, I have to correct you..no immam taught me! I once had an association with staunch Zionists through my work. Yacov for example had been in the Israeli army, and had been a Mossad agent too..I know this from my sources. Well, I have to say Yacov was quite enlightening on Russian history etc. I search websites and conduct my own research. In addition, I was once aquainted with a Russian girl who had served in the Red army when it was the Soviet Union, and who had been groomed to serve in the former KGB, but chose instead to become an international lawyer because there was more money in it. My friend did most of her legal training in Russian banks, but eventually went on to work for private firms, where she had both government and mafia clients. This is where some of my curiosity first began, and my friend who still has old army and school friend who currently work for the Russian Security Services has very good sources of information. Furthermore, I have met many different people from all kinds of backgrounds. One very interesting person was a Turkish guy who works for the Turkish government regarding their airforce. The gentleman spoke the Queens English extremely well, and therefore we were able to strike up a very intelligent conversation. He was very well read, and had attended university in the USA. This gentleman knew much more than I did about the Fractional Reserve Banking system of the Rothschilds, as well as having an amzing knowledge of European, Arabic, and American history. He also informed me that there was a secretive Islamic network whose sole aim was to work against the Zionist banking cartel. We are told that Esau will break the yoke of Jacob Gen 27 v 40 ” You will live by the sword and you will serve your brother. But when you grow restless, you will throw his yoke from your neck.” Lastly, I meet with Messianic Jewish friends who are quite damnable of their Zionist cousins..umm!!
Anyway, what’s it like being in the American Marianne Corp..I suppose you all originate from the Appalachians or Orzarks..no difficulties counting to six I suppose! So, tell me whose the Marianne Drill Sergeant..you, her or Sergeant Hartman. The Full Metal Jacket or rather Zionist ephod doesn’t look good compared to the armour of Christ.
Everywhere we go
Everywhere we go
We will tell them who we are
We will tell them who we are
Zionist Bankster Christians on the move
Zionist Bankster Christians on the move
Wearing our combats with zit-zitz
Wearing our combats with zit-zitz
Defending the liarocracy with our Talmuds
Defending the liarocracy with our Talmuds.
Shalom Shalom..ha yom yom yaffe!
you are really sick.
yeah and a little cuckoo. vietnam and korea too? lol!! that’s as good as the poppies.
marianne
your are really funny. you are the one who copied and paste most. you don’t even own copyright of the images you posted. not only to this page but as well as to your other pages. hahaha
and how could it be that i haven’t read the bible when I grew up as Born Again Christian? anyway thanks for your replies. I enjoyed commenting. I have said enough. I just want to share enlightments to the innocents.what ever you do to yourself, i don’t care anymore. I am not afraid of whatever you do to just to twist the truth about our Religion, because even the combinations of all satans would have no match to the Great Lord God.. and I am not afraid of the end of the world because I know God will be there for us. I am only afraid to the wrath of our Lord God, the Creator, the Sovereign of the Universe…
pity the unbeliever especially for those who twist the truth for they will end up in hell.
i jz want to repeat.. everything in the post is untrue.. 666 has nothing to do with my Religion. there is no magnificent 19 nor any holly numbers. everything in the post about Islam was just a lie and fabricated by evils..
there is no surah in the Qur’an that would say that 666 or any number is holly. I can’t forget how funny you said Obama admitted that he was a Muslim. such a foolish lie.
666 is bullshit!!! could you say that also? MAYBE you can’t. maybe its holly number for you?
you were never born again.
yes i was, i already have dougbt that Jesus was the God when i was younger. but it was only in 1988 when i began to leave the group. and it was only 2004 when i began to embrace Islam. until now I find it hard to read Arabic, so i rely on reading the english translations of verses of Qur’an. I cannot lie on this, because the-God will surely punish me if I do so. 🙂
sorry to hear you got lost.
so you are reading a different “version” of the Quran
no other versions..Qur’an should not be changed. it would not be Qur’an if there would be any changes to its arabic words. or if it is missing. there is no versions of Qur’an. not like in Bible with king James Versions, New American versions, Revised Standar versions, New Century Versions, Etc. the arabic words used in but for understanding purposes, translations (not explanations) may be put right after every verses. just like this
-ARABIC WORDS
-english translations
-ARABIC WORDS
-english translations
-ARABIC WORDS
-english translations
have a glance on this: http://quran.com/1 (it would not take you much time)
click on audio if you want to hear how it is pronounced like a peom. but they just called it plagiarize from something by uneducated person.
all the bibles say the same thing.
enjoy your freedom of religion
it is your choice.
I am so sad for you. I will pray for you.
This topic doesn’t need to get out of hand. It’s actually very simple. Everything started in the Middle East and it will end in the Middle East. The bible states the way that Jesus prayed- Just like a Muslim. Mary covered her face as did most women in that time/region just like a Muslim and still do to this day. Jesus spoke ARAMAIC. The translation of the word “GOD” in Aramaic is “Allah”.
Below you will find a Christian International Website Copyrighted 1988-89. It is an English to Aramaic translator. Search the word “god”. As you will see, it also shows you every single chapter in the Holy Bible that the word is referenced to and the root and meaning of the word. Singular or Plural and how it was pronounced in the Eastern and Western parts of the world at that time (that spoke aramaic).
http://www.peshitta.org/lexicon/
Peace to all of you on your journey and many blessings to you all!
Hey moon god worshiper, do you think Jesus beat his head on the ground towards the pagan shrine called the Kaabba? Also, Allah is a Arabic word that means the god. One of 360 false gods at the Kaabba.
Just because Allah is close to Aloho does not make it the same.
Try again.
In old Aramaic God is ellah. Through history the Aramaic word has changed because Aramaic people are living with arabs. So now the Aramaic word for God is Aloho. We have been to the moon and there is no God their.
We will soon burn up the muslim area.
thank you, Yakub
I see a difference between a culture trait and a religion.
Islam came 560 years after Jesus.
There is no passage saying that Mary covered her face, although that is possible, since Rachel covered her face, once she was married to Isaac.
Jesus spoke Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew. Jesus called Him Adoni. He also called Him Eloihim. No where in the Bible does it say that Mary or any of the other women covered their faces. They probably did during a sand storm or bright sun. But why assume something not said. They were Jewish not Arabs. Aramaic does not mean Arabic Jew. It is different.
For the record I am not a Muslim but a seeker of the truth. In order to seek the truth you are to question everything including faith itself. If questioning leads to name calling then obviously there is truth in this. I do however believe the devil is real and his works as well as his henchman have been at work since before the time of jesus. The plan has been set in motion long ago and the stage must be set. God allows him to do this and gods faithful people will see the truth and the devils hand at work. Prophets have been sent forth and slayed time and time again before they can give their message. I have read all Abrahamic books of religion and I find that how can anyone claim their book is the word of god if there is but ONE single non truth in that book. If you have not done this then how can you say what claims to be right or wrong. I was merely trying to share something and help those out who are seeking the same. There are 12 verses in the Bible that talk about ants for instance. It says they are not strong, have no chief, officer, or ruler. This is obviously a non truth. No disrepect. Seeking the truth is just that easy. Credibility is henceforth lost. I am facinated by the quran and how it can explain the cycle of birth from inside a womans womb which technology could only explain for the first time in history less than 200 years ago. Blackholes, speed of light, the universe, energy, gravity, inertia. All of these are explained in great detail and still to this day being proven true to every word. They also have found Pharaoh Ramseys who was drowned chasing moses through the Red Sea. This was something that was suppose to come to pass in the Quran as it is said God will preserve his body for everyone to see as proof that he is the god of all of the prophets. Just sharing. Good luck on your search. I was born a Christian and still am to this day. Its not blasphemy. Its just the truth. Peace
Yakub
God and his people can see into the future. Their is plenty of things that is said in the old testament and new testament that is fullfilled. Nothing that Muhammed said has happened.
Good point Yakub. You hit it right on the nail. He definitely was not a prophet in any sense of the word. He was just a guy who wanted power, revenge , money and lots of sex.
Actually, I have read several times the “scientific” information in the Qu’ran has been found to be vague enough to be just barely acceptable or inacurrate. Also they did have access to the Greek and Roman physicians etc. Ants have a queen that lay eggs, but she doesn’t rule them like one. They all work collectively and communicate by phermones & there is still so much to learn about them. Mohammed was by no means a prophet at all. Have you read the Qu’ran and the Haddith in full? I think you might want to do that before you make up your mind about what kind of man he was. I have and boy, what an eye opener it was for me. What a true narcissist & sociopath example for all the psychology books. Talk about a textbook example. What Mohammed writes about Jesus has been known to be early stories from gnostic gospels & other writings & local tales. He purposely wanted to write things about Jesus that weren’t written in the actual Bible but he was definitely not original. His “visions” and “messenges” are also found in the other places listed above. He pretty much took some Biblical verses and changed some wording around to make his sound original. He refused to learn to read & write so he went by memory. He & other Islamists didn’t count on us finding the Dead Sea Scrolls or other ancient writings to match our current accurate Bibles & his supposed original visions.
Some of you people are silly. Its the Jews! No, its the Christians! No, its the Muslims! Come on. Torah was out more than 1400 years before Jesus returned. The Jews still didn’t believe. Catholicism is obviously just Ancient Romes way of accepting Christianity. The King James version of the bible came out in 1611! The Quran came out in 1445! Who cares when what came out. It obviously doesn’t make any difference. If there are 2 Abrahamic religions then why can’t there be a third? The bible even talks about it! http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Isaiah%2029:12
There has been no bloodshed in the land of Isreal under muslim rule since the Crusades. Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived there in harmony. Find me a holocaust Jew that agrees with the enslavement of a Nation. Sounds like Isreal is more “a wild ass of a man”. After World War 1 the British Empire all of a sudden had this strange love for reinstating a Jewish State in the world. After World War 2 the United States had the same love. Why? Where did all this love come from during WW1? The British Empire were already shipping Jews to the land of Isreal. Why? The land of Isreal must be reinstated in order for the Anti-Christ to return for he will RULE from Isreal. Once slayed, Muslims will once again open the land to all to live in harmony once again. I leave it up to you to answer the Why questions. Turn off the TV and read a book.
jason
Where have you been for the last 100 years? or 2000? or at least 60 years?
For the period of the ottoman empire, the land of Israel was a barren land, and no one hardly lived there. Same was true when the British took it over at the beginning of the 1900s.
so, no people…no bloodshed…..
when the Jews started to enter the land, the bloodshed began, and the attacks came from Muslims, not jews.
Check your history….1948, 1967 ….attacks by entire arab states against the small group of jews there…..the participation of the so called palestinians and the grand mufti of jerusalem with hitler in WW2 was bloodshed……I was there in the year 2000 when the infitada began by terrorists against the jews…..they were blowing up buses and killing jews……the lebanon- israel war was started by muslims…and there has been continuous attacks either by HAMAS or HEzbollah for the past 50 years.
Islam is NOT a religion of peace….
btw…the king james “version” is just an english translation of the bible, which has been around since the time of Moses.
What I wanted to know if it is true if the ottoman empire was the 7th beast, because it existed after John wrote revelation and israel was part of it’s empire. No one seems to talk about it so much.
What the Bible says is that there will be false prophets and to not add anything else to what he has written. That meant Mo and his nonsensical books, which I read and they are crazy, drivelly rubbish. He was absolutely, undeniably possessed. No doubt. The Angel Gabriel had nothing to do with that sociopath, but Satan surely did. If you read the Bible, it says that God’s chosen people are to return to their land. The Qu’ran also states that Israel belongs to the Jews. People don’t realize that Israel only takes up 0.01% of the size of Muslim lands. Why don’t they want the Jews to have their own land? Because they are God’s chosen, God wants them there and islam comes from Satan and demons. You don’t know the Bible very well do you? Do you not see that prophecies that once seemed so far-fetched are all now coming true? Do you know what the Jews have done with that Land in 70 years time? The irrigation & crops that help feed Europe! The high tech industries-no modern cell phones and computer processing without them. They are the most educated per capita of any nation. The most patents, the most Nobel prices per capita. They network together to get things done for the good of the whole. Most of them serve their country. They all learn how to use firearms well and accurate. That nation has their act together in many, many ways. They are not too shabby-to say the least. That includes all Israelis, of all religions who are patriotic citizens. The very few Muslims that were there were welcome to stay & take full advantage of full citizenship or leave if they chose. They were supposed to be allowed to emigrate to Jordan-that was the deal that Jordan reneged on. All the world should be pissed at Jordan when it comes to the palistinian arabs who felt displaced, not Israel. They have done nothing to incur the wrath of the hateful Muslim scum around them.
No, the Torah was written before Jesus’ 1st coming. He hasn’t returned yet. His imminent return is part of the current debate. The Qu’ran and the Haddith were started in 622 but I do agree, there is lots of debate regarding several authors over hundreds of years. It is hard to know who and when it was actually “finished”. But Islam is definitely not a religion. It is a political idealogy built around domination and power over people, nations and women. It does spread like a disease and does not bring peace where it goes.
It doesn’t really matter. Todays events are spoken about in more detail then the bible. You will see the importance of Gold & Silver come about within your life time. The monatary system is on the verge of collapse globally. The quran states silver and gold and precious metals are to be used for money and nothing else (fiat currency). Loans are to be interest free. 100 dollars borrowed is to be 100 dollars paid in return. Your bible can’t speak of such things for I own one and have studied it greatly. How amazing would it of been for the world to not undergo this massive global collapse if this was the way it stayed after Roosevelt? Just the fact that the bible gets the topic of ants so totally wrong just proves that your book is misguiding. How can it be gods word. Quran brings about a way to live, monetary system, and political system as well as policies of war and divorce. If you have read it then you would know. Also how you should cover up your body and not be so flamboyant like most westernized nations when it comes to women. You say its FREEDOM. Sounds more like the devil tempting you to sin. Then you will probably bring up so many muslim women who hate it. Not true at all. Its a matter of respect incase you didn’t know. Clevage, tight revealing clothing, and so forth is a tool to bring about a shameless society. Same goes for gay marriage. Then again that freedom bell is ringing. Doesn’t sound like what god wants for you in the bible. American company owned of Chick-fil-a stood up and spoke out against Gay Marriage. How bold of him. Only company to do so! He says “I have a biblical view on the matter. I run my company the same as my biblical views. Thats why we are closed on Sundays.” Too bad they will probably lose business because of this and take all sorts of heat. Thats the sadest thing of all. The Western media lies to its own people as does the government. You are all afraid of muslims/muslim countries who don’t have the military or economic means to TAKE OVER THE WORLD like you all claim. Nor do we have weapons of mass destruction. The anti-christ is one eyed! His henchmen work under his sigil. Why do most corporations both british and american use logos that are one eyed or have some sort of biblical meaning. Whats with the dollar bill? Superstition you say. Sure could be. Or it could just be that you are so use to it you can’t even decipher the biggest clue of the anti-christ. The world stage must be set before his return. The quran says it simply. He will make his way to Rome (Catholicism), Great Britian (the island that spies), and the United States. Transfer of power will only go one other place and thats Isreal. Which is the most powerful nation in the middle east. Just have to watch out for Iran and Pakistan. Go figure, the pot is already boiling. India is buying oil from Iran with GOLD. Pakistan is trying to follow suit. The US emplaced dollars for oil, making it the world currency. Kadafi was trying to back the Afro (African Union Currency) with Libyan GOLD. Putting a hurting on that American dollar. Look what happened. Don’t believe. Look it up. Its everywhere. Same goes for Saddam yet he was trying to accept Euros for oil instead of dollars. Therefor underminding the american dollar and making it weaker then it already was then, compared to the Euro. Once a currency is backed by gold it makes it more valuable then all fiat currency. Thing is in Islam is we are all brothers and sisters. The color card is void. We are all human and equals. Even those who don’t follow islam. Jesus Christ is the greatest prophet in islam and loved dearly. God did not allow him to die for he shall return. Mainstream Jews don’t even believe in Jesus or that he is the Messiah AKA the majority. Apple computers symbol is an apple with a bite missing out of it. Sounds like that forbidden fruit. Enjoy being entertained. The 3% in your country owns your country. All your media stations are owned by a couple of men. Your shows like American Idol is just you idolizing individuals who have a chance to become your 3%. Who wants to be a millionaire. Not me. Not nationally known females becoming world wide famous because of a sextape. You are being entertained while your country steers itself into the wrong direction. Thing I can’t stand is your book says you are basically suppose to do nothing and pray. Even facing death. Thats crazy. Islam says if your life is threatened or your families you fight until they want no more. That seems most logical. Other way sounds like animals to the slaughter. The middle east is undergoing massive insurrection. It has stayed the truest to its roots for the longest time. The world is changing due to that FREEDOM bell ringing. The quran states what is going on now in the middle east. Nothing good will come out of it. God says if it was not for the black gold the people of that region would be erradicated. Sounds like Native Americans. Oh wait, your christian ancestors…………60-80 million Native Americans across all the americas is what they say where here at the time of Columbus. What happened to them all. Sounds like a crusade. Oh nevermind the recapture of the Holy Land was because we stole it from the pope. Wish that were the case. The covenant is with Ishmael who they claim is a wild ass of a man and will have his hand against his brother. Well lets see. The holocaust happened. Nazis can’t be ishmaelites. Then the Jews head to the Holy Land. Enslave the Palestinians who have lived in that region for over 1000 years. The jews were just enslaved themselves mind you. Isreal has its hand against every middle eastern nation. No matter what you think. Yes, most middle eastern nations do not like isreal but WHY? For the same injustice that happened to the jews that is now happening to the Palestinians on a smaller scale. Shame! Sounds like a wild ass of a man! Not the other way around. If you bring up 9/11 and terrorists then I will pray for you. Look toward your own government. Deciet and lies are the greatest weapon of the masses. Peace
you are seriously deceived, but that is your choice.
the silver and gold will become useless
the quran will not save you
it is full of errors.
I pray your blind eyes be opened.
Hey, you’ve convinced me. Send me an Islam I.D. Card or whatever so I can show it to my friends.
Now, as for my enemies… where can I get me one of them suicide vests?
I take an XXL.
Thanks.
Before Moses led the Jews out of Egyptian slavery to the Holy Land, Israel was occupied by pagans, one of their gods was a moon god named Allah. They did not want to live peacefully with the Jews & God gave them the order and the might to defeat them to set up the Holy Land and build the Temple which was demolished. 2nd Temple was built and destroyed by the Romans. Now God’s people according to prophesy are back in their rightful home which is about .01% of all the Muslim lands and within 70 years time has become more prosperous than all of them. If that is not proof of God’s fidelity to His people, I don’t know what is.
The covenant was made with Abraham and SARAH. Their son is Isaac. It is his decendants that inherit the kingdom. Ishmael is the son of Sarah’s handmaid. Everyone knows Muslims always discount the role of women, but God does not. His covenant was with Abraham and Sarah to have a son. So all you Muslims need to just get over it.
As for being an American, yes we know that parts of our culture are over the top, but for the most part, most Americans don’t live the way people do in movies or on T.V. Most of us are God fearing, God loving, God obeying good people.
As for the Native Americans, yes they definitely got treated badly, but not near as bad as when Muslims take over a new area. It is a well known fact that Native Americans fought, killed and enslaved each other long before the Europeans came. Now, they have their own lands, governments and laws now and are able to attend college for free if they wish. It is the least we could do since the land we left them is not so great. But we have apologized and are making amends which is more than I can say for other conquerers.
All humans can be brutal people. But we are supposed to evolve into being able to work things out. Muslims insist on following the commands and political idealogy of a 7th century womanizing sociopathic warlord. There is a huge difference between a woman dressing modestly and a woman having to be draped in a big black hot tent and someone berrating her and making her feel like a slut if she doesn’t walk around in the tent. Your idealogy brainwashes women into thinking that she is acting like a slut if she doesn’t make herself invisible. That is cruel and wrong. Those things are a hazard for tripping, driving, bicycling and a fire hazard. They are so hot. If they are so great, why don’t the “pios” men wear them???
he is a big liar loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
i am muslim .. and we don’t believe in this number 666
i have ever never knew it before .. loooooooool
and all these things that he wrote it is wrong ..
don’t be stupid and fool to believe anything .. you have to search about all things he did tell you about it .. you will never find it in quran and islam and hadith .. 🙂
i’m gonna tell you something man .. you know allah told us in quran that there is people gonna tell a lie about islam and they will try to give a bad idea about and he said islam like the light , and they gonna try to Extinguish the light .. but they will never gonna extinguish it .. coz allah will never allow them .. and that exactly what happen now .. like in 9/11 bosh did try to tell the people that muslims are terrorist but did you know how many people convert to islam because of this ?? do you know why they did convert ? because they believe bosh and when they search about islam they found the truth .. and they knew that both is a liar .. just like you .. 🙂
so i believe that .. some people here gonna believe you .. and they will search about islam and search to the number 666 in islam .. and they will never find anything about it .. then they will know that you’r a liar but at that time .. they will know every thing about islam .. and they will believe in islam .. loooool ..
keep going and attack islam and muslims ,, to make the people search about it and know the truth .. and convert to islam .. loooool .. 🙂
allah is greatest .. the truth never disappear .. ^__^
The god is greatest of what?
One of the main things that I have noticed is that most Muslims do not know their own books or the teachings of their so called “religion”. It’s not surprising that you did not know this. You are one of millions who don’t amongst many of the other horrible things about Islam that many of you are clueless about. Most of you only read your books a little here and a little there and listen to what your clergy says and think you have a “peaceful, God focused religion”. But if you read all of your books and all of your history; you would know differently.
i hope u know tht ur god is saten and tht he hates us christians and jews and tht he wants to be just like yahwah god and he god cast out of heavan wit one third of the angels u want to know how i know this is becuz he calls himself the deceiver and the devourer and he leads astray whom he chooses and he denys jesuschrist as lord and he denys jesuschrist death and resurection and yall symbol and the cresaint moon and star is a satanic symbol and its of the godess diana now yall say yall god is the god of the world well are god is the god of all earth and heavan are god is intimate with is creation and yall god is not hes so distant from yall hes sumbody to worship from far away and are god is not tht are god reveal himself to us cuz he is in the flesh of jesuschrist our god the father even said he said this is my son whom i love and i am well pleased now now u want to know how jesus christ is god well in front of abrahams decendents he said truly i tell u before abraham was born i am and they took up stones to throw at him but he hid himself and went out of the temple now thts all the proof u need its up to u to receive it
I will like the islam and muslims to dispute this by telling the world what they believe of the number 666
It is just more proof of who believers are up against. But God and His people will prevail against them as also prophesised.
i just want to let all of yall know tht allah is not the same god as yahwah god u see allah is the serpent he is saten and tht he hats christians and jews and he denys christ as lord and savior see people need to wake up and open there eyes and ears and see wat im talking bout
peace be upon you
i’m a moslim i just read this article but it was the first to know that islam interested in this number or any other number in any way , we don’t Sanctifies or give it big interest as you do , we just worship one God and give interest for our Quran not numbers . so you said that the anticrist will claim that he is jesus ” the true crist ” , but actually neither the God ” Allah ” , nor our messenger Mohamad did that ?!!
and you should also know that we don’t use any symbol not the moon not the crescent not the sword …. etc of theses jokes , they are only symbols of flags of countries not religion ,
so when you rolled up this symbol ” ξ ” to be like Allah , what if i wrote it like that : الله , now it is not the same and also the symbol lacks to the first letter ” ا ”
which will make change in the calculation to make it not = to 666 🙂
take in your account that they are two languages not one and they have not the same roots also 😉
and as you rolled up this symbol , let me also do the same and roll up the letter ” x ” to be ” + ” now it is the Cross , the symbol of your religion , so is that an evidence that your religion have a relationship with the anti christ ?!
( it is a joke )
i’m moslim and arabian also but i don’t have this sign we mentioned between my eyes and most of people here like this , and it doesn’t have any relation with our religion or doesn’t make sense at all !!!
what do you think about WWW ( world wide web ) i think a non-moslim person created it , and i think all people know that , i don’t know if you have another opinion .
sura 111 in the Qur’an has just 5 verses not 6 , and i don’t know why you made copy & paste for this information as you easily could open the Qur’an and see it your self 🙂
and with all my respect even if it has 6 verses and it is not true , it will not make any sense to me at all with any relation with the anti crist .
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i respect your religion and any religion also . and also i will not discuss any thing about jews and cristian books about twisting , but look at this :
song of songs ( Solomon ) 5:16
His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem .
the same verse in hebrew language :
חכו ממתקים וכלו
מחמדים זה דודי
וזה רעי בנות
ירושלם
now look at this word ” מחמדים ” listen to any jewish rabai reading it , it is ” Muhamadim ” , and you can ask any jew about ” im ” in hebrew you will find that it is a suffix they but after the names to glorify it , so it should be ” Muhamad ” , go and take the word ” מחמדים ” for translating , it will be beloved , but if you removed the suffix ” ים ” AND TRANSLATED THIS WORD ” מחמד ” , it will be
” Muhammad ” , but unfortunately some one translated the name to ” altogether lovely ” and no one has the right to translate a name and here is some sites famous and most of people use them :
http://www.freetranslation.com/
http://worldlingo.com/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html
so the sentence will make sense if it is : His mouth is most sweet : yea, he is Muhammad . This is my beloved , and this is my friend , O daughters of Jerusalem .
but ” altogether lovely ” make it mysterious and incomprehensible !!!
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take a look at Isaiah 41:29 & 42 : (1-17)
the God speaks about some one he choose and loved him to guide people and raise the truth , also has a decent and gently ethics , he don’t tired or stop until he take the rights of people and raise the truth . the God tells that his glory isn’t for the idols , God tells that it is a prophecy not done yet at the time of Isaiah , a new song for the God from mountain of sali’ and lands of Kidar , those who trusted in idols will be turned back in shame .
Jesus told us that he just came for israilian , but here the prophecy talking about one man to all the people , and all of his properties matches with our prophet Muhamad , his people trusted in idols , people of jesus didn’t , he lived in the land of Kidar as he is from sons of Ishmael as you can find there the mountains of sali’ , the new song for the God you can hear it till now in the pilgrimage in these lands which is now ” saudi arabia ” . his people of idols after knowing the truth they were turned back in shame ,
now all of that refers and indicate to only prophet Muhamad
but if you still insist that it refers to Jesus – and it is not – , so you have to admit that Jesus is not a God , Jesus is not a son of God , Jesus is not partner with God , he is only a prophet , because this prophecy was just talking about a prophet not a God or his son 🙂
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finally : if you still think that our religion is from the anti crist or any other jokes , you didn’t had to make such hustle and noise , just wait until the true Jesus come again and we see who will take his side 🙂
sorry for writing too much , pleased to talk with you all
peace be upon you
hello Khaled
peace
מַחֲמַדִּים is pronounced “machmadim” (plural) or “machmad” in the singular, not muhammed.
Jesus came first to the Jews, and then instructed his apostles to go to both the Jews and gentiles later.
Jesus is the son of God. God is the father, and Jesus is THE son, not a son.
his sonship has nothing to do with a marriage with Mary.
this is a point of confusion created by the catholic church, not the bible.
he is more than a prophet. That is why our religions are different.
thank you, and peace again.
What do you mean by someone speaking of a marriage with Mary? Who said that? Are you insinuating that the Catholic Church says something about a marriage with Mary other than her marriage to Joseph? I am confused by your statement. The Catholic belief is that God, through the Holy Spirit made an immaculate conception. No one had sex with her to be pregnant with Jesus. The Angel Gabriel spoke to Joseph to explain to him that Mary was still a virgin and that all would be well if he married her.
Jesus knew that He would have to die before He even wanted to come here from heaven. He knew what his purpose for coming was. Don’t blame the Jews, they were part of the divine plan. Someone had to be the part of executioner. Jesus’ crucifiction was not only not a surprise but the whole plan from the beginning.
lynn marie
We are on the same page. I was responding to a muslim complaint that Jesus is the son of god. Their counterargument is that God does not get married and have children. The only candidate they see for a wife is Mary.
I understand that, but what were you saying about what the Catholics believe about her? I don’t think that they taught that. Looking forward to your answer to clear up my confusion. Thanks, L.
Lynn
I was answering a question I anticipated would be the next argument by the muslim commenter.
No true christian, catholic or non catholic believes mary got married to god.
we all believe Jesus was divinely conceived, and he was a product of a virgin birth.
Mobarak
Isaiah 42 is about Jacob Israel and I belong to a church that has a faith that
Jesus and Jacob Israel is the same person. God calls him his son and servent. Jesus is both.
the whole Artical is bulls**t.
if the number 666 is for devil not man, who of the two was created on the 6th day acording to bible? Was it man or evil?
the 666 is the number of a man, who represents the beast, which is the devil’s kingdom in the last days.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.
The kingdom of the devil will be destroyed when as Jesus so clearly pointed out to his disciples that regarding the fine buildings of Jerusalem Mark’s gospel 13 v 1-2 “As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!” “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” The prohecy concerning the fate of Jerusalem and the unbeliving Jew, was not confined to merely AD 70, but also has a future application for Yahweh has decreed Jerusalem shall be overturned a third time, until he comes whose right it is..Ezek 21: 25-27 “O profane and wicked prince of Israel (oops could be an anti-semetic/anti zionist statement), whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low. A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin! It will not be not be restored (the Kingdom of Yahweh) until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs; to him I will give it.” The trouble that will come upon the nation of Israel and the Jewish people, is all to do with their rebellion. Yahweh intends to purge the Jews of their unbelief, and so rid the land of the wolves who would have Christ removed again if that were possible. Only those Jews who eventually accept their Messiah Jesus Christ will have a rightful claim to being Jewish, and the accompanying promises given to the Patriarchs.
All of the biblical statements concerning unbelief, and how that manifested in the nation of Israel throughout their history, is for our learning, and to warn us not to fall into the same erronous ways. The nation of Israel has established a precedent for unbelief, and how that has resulted in the killing of its prophets as well as the Son of Yahweh. It seems that the same pack-mentality of the wolf will be seen yet again in this nation, and the man of sin in 2 Thes 2 is the same as Dan 11 who has no regard for the God of his farthers (Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob), and who persecutes the saints just as the wolves have done before..Rev 11: 7-8 “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss (whose deadly wound was healed/Israel) wiil attack them, and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord WAS CRUCIFIED.” Jerusalem is spiritually Sodom and Egypt..she is also referd to as the harlot in Isa 1 and again in Rev 17. Jesus has unfinished business with Israel and the Jews, and it’s going to be extremely bloody, and very violent!
So, we must pray for the Jewish nation, that they will recognise the time of trouble that will come upon them from one of their own brethren..the man of sin!
Enough of misleading, we can not accept these erroneous saying no more. Time to move God foward, woe betides the evil doers. You people basically know yourselves. They have sold their lives to them, and never fear Almighty God. Really if you do not repeat yours end shall come like that king in bible. Stupid fellows.
The Qur’an is absolutely correct on this
Wow, so you are not going to answer my question about what you were saying about confusion started by Catholics and what you meant by that. I was brought up Catholic my have some qualms with the church, will always be Christian but just wondering about your Catholic bash. Apparently you don’t want to comment on it so I will just have to let it go. The avoidance of answering the question has taken up too much time and space so never mind. I just think that in a somewhat anti-Christian culture and world that all Christians should stick together especially when it comes to religions like Islam that want to wipe all of us off the face of the earth just because we think their messenger was self serving and not influenced by God.
Lynn
I answered your question. your emaill did not work…..
see above where i said:
Lynn
I was answering a question I anticipated would be the next argument by the muslim commenter.
No true christian, catholic or non catholic believes mary got married to god.
we all believe Jesus was divinely conceived, and he was a product of a virgin birth.
email failed a second time.
The holy quran never state as “666”, this number is state for Satan and is also used by illuminati. The Islam holy number is “786”.
Please research….
Man am a muslim since born and no word from what you have written is true stop lieing to ppl never heard about the magnificent 19 and 666 is not a holly number stop playing with peoples minds stop u filthy creatures stop your lies will be known one day stop and go back to the right path stop saying things to just make ppl follow your path its not acceptable to use any possible mean even if its lieing if you see that we are terrorist and u r the right ones then at least say the truth and stop making islam look bad and at that point let ppl chose but ull never do soo coz you know very well who is right and who is wrong keep what you doing keep lieing but be sure that one day the truth will be reavealed and peace be upon u all
go count the number of verses in the Quran… the first few chapters alone consitute over 666 verses… get your facts right, don’t believe everything you read. pay attention to what is lacking in your lives, take care of your families, and most of all your souls. no need to waste so much of time on this rubbish!!!
It is much simpler if anyone has read the Koran at all. There is a direct quote from Mohammed which I will not post in which he addresses three things that Jesus said in various locations and combines them into one and turns it around into half baked nonsense. All I have to do is see children with head bands singing songs about their faith being enforced with guns..very sad..and children RECITING by memory negative things about Christianity..which is also not the correct term..it is “The Way” The way that Buddha sought. Buddha sought the Way the Truth and The light. Jesus stated he Is The Way The Truth and The Life..and The Light of the world…in fact he is THE LIGHT when the darkness was separated by Light right there in Genesis, He is also the representation of the sword around the Tree of Life. Any religion that has a book the directly imputes hostility upon another is hate period..and that cannot be Holy..it is completely anti- Messiah. However, there is still hope my friends. There is two books in Heaven. One for those whose faith depends on works, and the other for those who has Their Life in Christ as He is In Them. That why, who is called Allah which in Aramaic is actually ALLAHA not Allah…in the long run, it comes down to each person no matter what or who they are who Seeks Peace Love Generosity Meekness of Spirit, walks in Humility, and is Humble and promotes loving others, INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES… If we want to start bashing, cut to the chase and 1) get to the false teachers for they will be judged more harshly and 2) Forget Politics..and religion that is devised to conquer the world is Anti Messiah. Why? Because Messiah is the Life Giver,, not Taker! Because this world is Satan’;s kingdom..and if you want to take over, that closes the deal on that one. .l Wake up and smell the roses. ..they are most sweet. Brothers and Sisters unite…Seek Truth, and where is that…Inside You..and how do we get it in side us? By Having God inside us..and how to get God inside us? We receive his spirit. What more is there to say? Forget doctrines…forget teachers..forget it all. The he said she said game is over. P.S. You built your sacred temple about 2000 yards off Center too.,but it doesn;t matter. Do you think God dwells in Temples? No. he does not..he could care less about our buildings..It is already preserved elsewhere…He is Truly GOD and can do anything. Realize, the Devil knows the good book better than all of us…so get your heads out of the books and use your spirit..Blessings and Peace..lets get out there and take care of those demons bros. Messiah cares most about our hearts whether he already came or not…okay, so some say there is a second coming..what difference does it make if he comes later..? Why wait?! The story has been told.
I have tried to read parts of the quran, and found it gibberish.
Amen. The whole scheme of Satan is to make us believe Eashoa M’sheekhah, Yeshua, Jesus was NOT put up on the cross, because then you will not believe that Jesus conquered Death. if you do not believe Jesus conquered Death, there is not a Heaven to go to…what can it hurt to believe it..but beware..there are false teachings and false messiahs and false prophets still to this very day. He did also say there will be other sheep he will bring into his fold…I am speaking not as an American but as a respecter of those in Christ but not of men..and those who eagerly anticipate with loving hearts Savior..Nazareth in Aramaic is Victory…Jesus of Nazareth..all the rest out there is hogwash puke…be not afraid, for he brings us Peace, not as the world knows peace (OBVIOUSLY, look around) but as He Does. And when He decides how are you going to know Him…it is written he actually does not have a name..only he knows His name…it’s all playing with words is what it is really…word games. If the hair on one child’s head is harmed in a vengeful way your already you are guilty, and causing children to rote memorize texts that even contains hatred anywhere within that text is child abuse… unless one turns away and asks God for forgiveness…through his Grace we are Saved and Made Whole..Blessings children of God and of Light…p.s. God does not like cowards either..and I think a religion that promotes cowardly actions is exactly wrong..like bowing in fear and hope one is doing the right works and never knowing until their dying day…Love and Understanding, Peace Grace and Mercy..(although the Koran defines Grace differently as well..which is also a twist of the truth)…It is not easy..I know…just walk slowly..and consider things. And be aware, most versions of the bible overseas in the areas around Syria and the conflict zones are adulterated as well which is why you might be getting false information….gee whiz. and Amen.
..also know the Satan does into play favorites. There is just as much falsity in certain bibles in the USA, so this is not about ‘being right or wrong’..cool? if the story is true, the Mohammed was poisoned, please let us know..by what? A Jewish woman with a lamb…yet, Jesus Messiah the lamb of God..and the Book in Heaven is the Lambs Book of Life. this is all about politics..all of it..even within the “Christian faith”… Seek and ye shall find, ask and it will given unto you, knock and a door will be opened unto you…seek what?…that is for everyone to figure out..as well as what the Pearl of Great price is..that pearl that is wroth more than any diamond or ruby…what? never heard of the Pearl of Great Price?…you’re missing out..
Here is what i think is the deal and I’ll go away and never come back. Peace be with you all. The Koran came out before broad publication of the New Covenant He made with mankind, his precious children and creation who he gave free choice in all ways regarding his life..but he wants us to have Freewill in all ways..and he is JUSTICE complete…his justice is not man’s justice…it is completely Righteous and Fair..we have our entire lives..thing is, the Koran was put out when? Before..that is BEFORE the new Covenant could be made well known? Why is that? To circumvent God’s Sovereignty it all goes back to Ishmael and Isaac of course which is pretty amazing really…the are both of Abraham..which means somewhere along the line things got messed up (or did they?) Maybe this is all a big test to see where our hearts are you know?…can we trust that was really Gabriel? How do we know it was..Satan masquerades as an angel of light, and not one prophecy foretold Mohammed was coming. Note, this is not about that poor man..I feel extremely sorry for him for a while until he went around having all these people killed. Not one prophet promoted killing in the bible. They TALKED about what would happen…but did not instigate anything..they did what GOD told them, not an angel. I actually do not expect these words will make much of a difference anyway..in Truth..I am not happy I even posted any of this…..there are very good people of Muslim faith I know…at least at first appearances…why are the jihad allowed to continue is what I want ot know? Cannot they be controlled or is someone in the back road letting them do their dirty work. And yes, I know what Jihad is too…it is not supposed to be a ‘bad thing’…but if so..why does all that is going on continuing if not for the fact that S___n knows how to get to certain minds to promote his dirty deeds.?…or it just in our heads..maybe it is all about ego’s…in the long run…who knows FOR SURE? No one! not no one…kicking back the after burners and going for a walk on the beach before this Hurricane Scurries by off the coast..cheers and good will… to all. I think if we are all reading this stuff..we at least care enough to care at all,.
the NT gospels were made available immediately, in the first century AD, by the original apostles, including Paul.
6 denotes the HUMAN number. Man was created on the sixth day, this first occurrence of the number makes it (and all multiples of it) the HALLMARK of all connected with man. He works six days. The hours in his day are multiple of 6 (4×6=24 hrs). Athalia usurped the throne of Judah 6 years. Goliath, Nebuchadnezzar, and antichrist, are all marked by this number=666 (multiple of 6/man).
Numbers in the bible are used for spiritual significance and may be used in forms of multiples, factors, sums, products of.
ie. the number 12 represents: governmental perfection like the Tribes, Apostles, measurements of time, or all things to do with government in heaven or on earth. (144,000 is divisible by 12 and vice versa) The number 11 is one number short of 12, so 11 means: disorder, disorganization.
6 (man) X 11 (chaos/disorder) = 666
Hi Deb,
I agree with you on the individual numbers (although 11 may be shaky) but I think when you start to multiply them around you are asking for trouble.
In Revelation, 666 represents the number (title) of a man, specifically the False Prophet. The False Prophet is Christian, not Muslim so this post is pretty much a waste of time. Christians need to stop thinking that God will destroy Islam before He returns. He will destroy what is apostate within His own church, just as He has always done in the past.
Leave the poor Muslims alone. Just imagine how they’re going to feel when they discover that their religion is just a sham and their beloved prophet was just a big fat liar. Same is true for every other religion of course, but I think the Muslims are going to be super pissed and disappointed. What, no virgins? Bummer.
So don’t worry, they will get what’s coming to them, but they are not Babylon. They never were, they just own the ruins is all.
S’all I’m sayin’ here…
Again, you mislead, and tell half truths.
The number is the number of the Beast. The false prophet will make all both small, and great take the number on their hand, or forehead, or be murdered.
The lawless one that walks into the rebuilt Temple half way through a peace treaty will claim to be G-d. This is Lucifer’s man on earth right before Christ’s coming. Just as Nimrod was Lucifer’s man on earth at the Tower of Babel. The globla Tower of Babel will gives it’s power for one hour to the Beast. Not the false prophet.
Again, just because poeple take Bible verses out, and make movies does not make the Bible wrong. Let G-d’s spirit guide you in your understanding of his word.
666 is the number of a man. The beast is a kingdom, not a man. There is no Antichrist, just the beast and the False Prophet. No Antichrist is mentioned in Revelation. He is a character in a movie plot.
Who do you think he is anyway?
Just wondering.
The lawless one who proclaims himself G-d inside the rebuilt temple. I have already provided you with Bible verse on both. The world government will give their power to him for one hour. He will come to power by taking out three kingdoms. The little horn.
BTW, what do you think Paul is writing about when he states we shall not all sleep?
Leatherneck
Read the descriptions of all the beasts in Daniel and Revelation and you will see they do not describe people.
If the Antichrist is a political figure / dictator why does he proclaim to be God and not the False Prophet? Think about it… Jesus was a true prophet. He said there would be false Christs in our times. The lawless one claims to be God.
Jesus = true prophet = God.
Lawless one = False Prophet = false Christ = Antichrist (your term).
You have created an extra Antichrist where none is necessary.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that all the governments of the earth are brought together into a single nation, including Iran and Israel. That’s just crazy and will never happen.
As for Paul’s comment, he was referring to the resurrection at the Second Coming when some of the dead, who are sleeping in their graves (sheol), those righteous Jews and Christians, will no longer sleep but awaken to eternal life. He also refers to the second resurrection at the end of the millennium when even the unrighteous are resurrected at the Great White Throne Judgement.
Ask any Jew if they don’t just sleep when they die. Jesus mentioned it 14 times, including about Lazarus. Heaven, hell and the immortal soul are all pagan beliefs adopted by a corrupt church.
God has enough problem with His own church to worry about picking on the Muslims, like so many believe.
We shall soon see.
the one world government is already in place, and controls all nations behind the scenes. whoever heads it will have all the power.
the false prophet (second beast) does not claim to be god, he instructs the world to worship the first beast as god….
I understand sleeping intill the Resurrection. But, Paul said we will not all sleep. You state this happens when Christ touches the mount of olives. I’m not sure when it happens.
The false prophet makes every worship the beast, and take his number, or death. The lawless one declares himself G-d. Who is the lawless one who makes a one week peace, or seven years.
There are ten regions to be controled bt the world system now. We will see seven soon enough.
James G
once again you are dismissing me? you say ‘this post is a waste’ ? my resource was from the jewish companion for the torah… but, no matter, I will not dismiss your opinion. I understand that sharing by some can be conceived as a challenge for dispute by others. and for the record James, I have said nothing derogatory in regards to my Muslim brothers or sisters…….
not everyone can be the ‘ultimate authority’ eh?
james is the ultimate cynic. he is like that with others too.
OK thanks for the heads up Marianne… he was close to running me off LOL It feels like he totally missed the ‘purpose’ of my post… as the topic here is about the number 666…
TO JAMES: I UNDERSTAND YOUR ‘BURNING DESIRE’ TO RESPOND AND PARTICIPATE, HOWEVER; MAY I SUGGEST YOU BE GENTLE HANDED WITH YOUR WORDS….WE ARE ALL A WORK IN PROGRESS HERE 🙂 REMEMBER THE ‘GOLDEN RULE’ WHEN YOU APPLY YOUR WORDS AND WE SHOULD BECOME ‘FAST FRIENDS’ IN CHRIST TOGETHER. WITH LOVE…
PS….no single one of us are always correct, not you, not me,…and it shouldn’t be about being right. I love coming here to spur me in direction of studies, to read what fellow lovers of Christ say, and to have a safe place, like Marianne so graciously has provided, to fellowship with good folks and to fill my heart with the Holy Spirit.
I want people to think freely, to use the liberty that the holy spirit has provided.
Deb,
I didn’t realize that you wrote this post on the number 666, I thought Marianne did. In either case, I don’t believe it has any significance in Islam, as confirmed by every Muslim who has responded on this blog. It is just a silly theory and is as bogus as Nibiru.
That’s all I meant.
666 = www = a chip with GPS, can be reached world wide.
Google 666 www hebrew ,and you will understand what I mean.
I did. This is what I found:
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666 is total of the numerical values in the letters of the antichrist’s name
The World Wide Web is not a name.
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666 is total of the numerical values of the letters in the antichrist’s name
The actual total of “www” is 18 — not 666.
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666 is the number of a man, the antichrist, or the beast
The World Wide Web is not a man.
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The mark of the beast controls the ability to buy or sell
The World Wide Web currently does not
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The mark of the beast goes in the right hand or forehead
The World Wide Web does not.
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The mark is symbolic of the antichrist or beast
The World Wide Web is not
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The mark is received only after worshiping the beast
The World Wide Web is not worship
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So Adam, looks like you’re still crazy.
🙂
Adam.. i see where you get this from:
The Hebrew equivalent of our “w” is the letter “vav” or “waw”. The numerical value of vav is 6. So the English “www” transliterated into Hebrew is “vav vav vav”, which numerically is 666.
Deb
Yes , thats what i meant. Todays currency will have no value and someone ftom usa will try to implement a new world currency systemvwhich is a chip with gps where we can be reached from world wide. We are not allowed to accept this chip so we need to live without money. That is how I interpret 666 from rev.
Adam
I am familiar with this theory being popularized today. When you look at the UPC code bar, already in place to buy or sell; you see the lines on each end and in dead center are longer than the other lines and ALWAYS represent 6…or in other words, the 666 is always present with every single purchase. And the UPC codebar can be ‘read’ all over the world, as numbers are a universal language.
Now..I am not as familiar with the GPS tracking codes, but have seen that some run off the 666 code patterns you suggest. And many GPS devices carry the name 666 on them. I am also aware that many people in China use biometrics (fingerprint scaning devices) to buy goods, in combination of having a chip implant. China, home of the microchip, is now producing chips so small and so precise they cannot be detected by ordinary means. ie. smaller than a pencil dot. These microchips are going into ALL our purchases, to include our clothing and even into our medications. In addition, many military and world leaders and prominant figures around the globe have already receive GPS chips. And get this Adam…now there is a group of Freemasons who are running a chip program for children…and the parents are giving permission for it. For example, check out: http://www.mochip.org *that’s ORG not .com
The monetary system is a computer-based system now and the ‘fiat’ money we carry around is simply paper that gives us the ‘sense’ of value because we can ‘touch it’. It is backed by nothing of value. The Iraqi economy comes to mind here. Once Iraq gets it’s bankruptcy (computer zeroed out) and the dinar gets RV’d (revalued) there could very well be a push for biometrics or even human chipping. Anyway, that’s just an example. And yes, all chip data is stored in a data base worldwide. I can go to another location anywhere on the globe and have my purchases tracked, thus the www is involved. Currently, paper money limits such tracking.
So, yes…eventually, biometrics and microchipping will be the ‘norm’ throughout the world. Hypothetically, if you view 666 to be the ‘mark of the beast’ from this standpoint…we have already received it. But, not sure God would judge us based on using this system if we were unaware of it’s correlation to ‘satan’. Now if 666 represents ‘man’ and the ‘antichrist’/ man, this could point could be supported as we do know this ‘www’ system to buy or trade was created by man.
Who controls international finance, who controls the Federal Reserve, who owns the IMF; the World Bank; the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) a bank that made profit out of the holocaust; The Global Securities Fund for financing wars & terrorism..none other than the zionist banks who sponsor all other Marxist activities, based upon the Babylonian Talmud hate rhetoric towards Christianity. Hence you have a historical paper trail of zionist sponsorship of wars and revolutions, which has ingrained within its mission statement an agenda to destroy the fabric of Christian society, but to use Christianity to promote patrony towards its own cause for zionist supremacy. Anyone who tries to bring this truth to peoples attention, become targets of the zionist ADL gagging organisation, who try to defame those who speak out against the lies as anti-semetic. However, you can’t get any worse than those who with their associates are responsible for financing of wars; terrorism; and revolutions, who have caused the loss of hundreds of millions of lives throughout history..that’s why Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers, who not only coined the market in his day, but have done so ever since, culminating in the zionist control of world finance and money-markets to this day..with bloodshed and usury they have sinned against God & with bloodshed they will be removed..Ezek 18: 10-13 + Ezek 21: 25-27 & Math 24: 1-2!
this is all lies. You have fallen to the deception of satan, who prompts the heathen world to blame all evil on the jews, instead of him. He wants Israel destroyed, and you have played into his scheme.
the truth
Yes you are correct, the world is going to hell. But you must go back to the garden scene to realize that the fault of man is man! God gave Adam and Eve the choice to follow His laws and the Holy path, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO they fell for the lie/temptation (lucifer/temptation/ man’s lower nature) and decided to break the command/law of God and set their own law/rules. It is man’s law making that has destroyed the world and is the cause of us ‘to surely die’ and not the law of God that surely will lead the world NOT to die, but to LIVE (love).
When God gave Moses the law/commandments, the Israelites accepted that they were ruled by God. Now God provided ‘judges’ who were like someone wise knowing God’s law that you could consult in times of trials with other men. Samuel was such a judge and perhaps, the greatest judge, as he was never rebuked. There was no earthly ruler/king, only God. The people stopped listening to the judges, who by the way had saved them from ALL transgressions. Samuel was getting old, his 2 sons were corrupt, and Nahash posed an outside military threat.
‘GIVE US A KING!!!’ they demanded. Now God asked them….why do you need a king when you have me? Samuel warned the people of the dangers of being ruled BY an earthly king, yet they still demanded one. God spoke to Samuel and advised him to go ahead and give them their wish, but also sighted that once this happened that the people had turned away from their godly ways.
Saul became the first king of the Israelis. And ever since man has been trapped into following the law of earthly kings who are only men…a form of idolatry. It is the laws of men that cause the evils of this world. Unfortunately, man has be commanding and making laws for other men since day one.
They can’t make a chip with GPS without using a power source, mainly a battery. A battery so tiny it will fit in a RFID chip would not be able to transmit more than a few feet and would be dead in a few minutes. So you can forget about a GPS chip. In fact, you can forget the whole chip thing, it will never happen. The entire concept is pure Sci-fi, from a movie plot. It can’t be implemented at this time and the worlds banks are not ready to fold up and give their accounts to some mega-bank.
And if, as you claim, Jesus is already in the Vatican and will take His place as the next pope, He will not let the Antichrist take power of His millennial kingdom. You predictions are contradictory as well as being fiction.
And where the hell is Nibiru? Its getting down to the wire…
Scoff, scoff, scoff.
Scoff, scoff, scoff.
I may be a scoffer, but at least I’m right.
🙂
James
You haven’t done your homework. Many pets today are chipped with GPS locators so if they become lost they can be tracked and retrieved back to their owners. Come into the 21st century James.
also you obviously did not check out my link:
http://www.mochip.org
now kids get one tooo!
Deborah,
Sorry but I have a degree in computer engineering and I am correct in what I said.
There is a difference between an RFID chip which must be read by a scanner on site and a GPS device like a locator collar which is like a tiny cellphone around the pet’s neck.
Have you ever designed and built a radio or radio controlled device? Well I have. And I tell you that you need at least a watt of power to transmit to a cell tower 3 miles away. Even a single-sideband C.B. radio with 5 watts of power has trouble reaching 10 miles with an eighth wave antenna two feet long.
When you factor in the circuitry involved to create a transmitter (tank circuit, oscillator and crystal) plus the antenna length and power requirements, you simply can’t put a cell phone type device into a grain of rice. Sorry but the laws of physics apply here and no technology can get around it.
As for doing my homework, I have done four years of college homework to earn my degree. I’ll bet all you have done is watch a few YouTube videos and you think you are an expert in the field.
And it is one thing to invent the RFID chip and a whole other thing to chip 7 billion people and cover the entire earth in cell towers less than three miles apart and connect everyone to a worldwide banking system etc. And the computer / software would be beyond anything anyone has ever built. It would be akin to constructing a building 100 miles high. Sure we know how to build pretty tall structures nowadays, but not 100 miles tall. It is the same with the Sci-fi mark of the beast scenario. Thinking it up is easy but actually implementing such a plan is quite another matter.
Satan is preying on the ignorance of the masses to pollute prophecy with false ideas. He has even got millions of people believing in an imaginary planet.
Go figure.
my my James…
you do speak from the heart don’t you? lol
My degree is not in computer engineering, but I do hold one. And for your personal attack, why, yes; I have watched a few youtubes. Technology is advancing faster than a quark can entangle, so even though the technology may not exist at present, or in our lifetimes; who is to say it won’t.
be well James
From a practical standpoint, I don’t see a single world bank ever happening. That would require a huge monopoly with no competition. The world’s free trade system would never allow it. But Christ will return before such a plan could ever be implemented, so maybe He will want to use it for some divine purpose, but it will come too late to be the mark of the beast.
So don’t look for chips. Period.
James
Gps chip was my idea. But when you scan a rdif chip you can see your location so it is also www based. Www=666.
James
jesus will send plagues all over the world when he starts his next mission. We will have poor times and money will not have any value. So their will be a need for a new currency system and Jesus will say that we must live a life without money since money is satans thing. Regarding Nibiru. AllI know is that Jesus next mission will start when Nibiru is visible for everyone. I don’t know the date.
I’m very happy with my life and I don’t see want poverty so if Nibiru shows up laterthen fine for me.
If Jesus has to wait for Nibiru He’s going to die of boredom in the Vatican basement before He ever gets a chance to start. Sounds like his rule on earth is really gonna suck. Hope he never leaves the basement then.
Adam
The word ‘nibiru’ derived from the Sumerians, it was one of their ‘gods’. It was connected into modern day legend through men like Stitchen, Icke, etc (new agers). It has also been connected to the Hopi legend of the ‘blue khachina’ star and even to the biblical Wormwood. No one really knows if it truly exists, but every time a comet buzzes by, the legend streams back to the forefront.
addendum: the bible amazes me at how many fields of discipline it includes.
It is:
a history book
an astrological guide
a genealogical record
a cultural guide
a geographical guide
a mathematical codex
a book of laws
an astronomical guide
a spiritual discipline guide
an agricultural guide
archaeological record
literary criticism
philology
social sciences
artifact record
gastronomy guide
a clock
a calendar
record of rulers/kings
supernatural reveals
prophetic dictatorial
futuristic predictor
and sooooooooooo much more. It’s no wonder it’s interpretations are often misconstrued….
Well well Mariane, it is you who has been deceived by the lie of the Serpent class of this world i.e. those who Jesus condemned, those who would not listen to his word, who continue to ignore that word, and who put him to death. That class of people isn’t entirely limited to the Jew of Christ’s day, but as a precedent for lawlessness the Jew represents a class of people, who will perish along with them at the return of Christ for their disobedience (Dan 12), including those who take liberties to pervert and misrepresent the word of God, and yes, you do have time to repent of this. The Serpent; Satan; Dragon; Devil; all being apt metaphores which epitomise a Jewish precedent for lawlessnes, that will manifest itself once again in the fig tree shooting forth its leaves (Luke 21:29), forcefully coming to life in the last days, as it tries to rally any who would be willing to help her dress the mortal wound, caused by the curse that Jesus bestowed upon a barren fruitless (Math 21: 19-21) tree/Israel. You like to put yourself forward as some kind of prophetess for the word of God, but you patronise the very thing which has been cursed i.e. natural Israel in a state of unbelief, and in the process make yourself a daughter of the harlot. The fig tree which was cursed and withered, but which comes to life again, is the same language of Revelation 13:3 “And I saw one of its heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed (coming to life again): and all the world wondered after the beast.” Your patronising of unbelieving Israel is certainly wondering after the beast. If you so wish to fall headlong into the bottomless pit, then so be it, but don’t drag those who read your posts down that same slippery slope to their eternal deaths! You are a Jewish nationalist who pretends to represent God’s word, but who of a truth represents instead the political zionist agenda (unbelieving Israel), and therefore, you would be better at holding office either in the Kenneset, or better still offer your services to Mossad’s propaganda department!
acknowledged is your condemnation. Ironic that the very ones (Israel jesus came to save, and commanded his apostles to focus on, and he is returning to save after Jacob’s trouble, is the very same group you consider unworthy.
Oh my, ‘the truth that is not from above’ I see Marianne is spreading his anti-semetic hatred and lies here as they do all over the internet and the world.
I as you know believe the time of Jacobs trouble was at her scattering and destruction by Titus and Hadrian with the usurption of her land, enslavement of her people and destruction of her Temple by the same and replacement in the end by the two abominations of desolation by Islam today, as well as the abuses and violence by the likes of the above that has permeated the earth with their hatred of the Chosen People. I no longer believe there is more since Jerusalem has already been divided and half was under the abuses of the Jordanian arabs who did vile things to that part of Jerusalem and then saw it united in Israel again. All I wait to see is for those that hate His Beloved People and Israel to attack her, but, they shall be destroyed on her mountains for the wrath of God shall come up in the Lords face as Ezekiel said and His Mountains that stand yet with Israel shall be part of destroying those who have hated Israel and His Saints for so long as Ezekiel 38 and 39 say.
Unfortunately the above think and believee the Lord has replaced the root and tree of His Family and people Israel and adopted only the Church without a root but just fluttering branches only for the rubbish heap. They are so dangerously wrong and more is the pity for that hatred we hear in the rant above must be aswered to face to face with the Living God whom they appear not to fear. Clearly he has not read Romans 11 that warns us grafted on branches to not be arrogant and proud and imagine that those whose eyes were blinded that the gentiles may be grafted on until the time of the gentiles be full would have the veil removed from their eyes which is happening tofday and which we are all a part of if we would humble ourselves and be content to be a wild olive tree grafted into Israel through Christ. Ohhh what a tangled web of lies they weave and their pride and hate do not wish to learn from that letter of Pauls or from the Lord of His family He was born into and that He loves…more is the pity…
ve…I find it so sad…
This is too bad to hear such thoughts and beliefs that are so vile and outside of Gods’ loving thoughts toward Israel and those who repent.
Some followed Paul; some followed Apollos; some followed Cephas; and apparently, some continue to follow Asinus……
What a tangled web of lies they weave..umm! Obviously John 8:44 has escaped your notice. When refering to the Pharisees Jesus said verese 44: “You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies , he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” Whilst the Pharisaical class isn’t confined purely to unbelieving Israel (since it can apply to any who reject the Son of God), it can’t be ignored that scripture puts the unbelieving Jew, at the centre of such an indictment concerning unbelief. The Pharisaical Jews were in Christs’s day the instigators of rejecting the Son of God, and therefore, all such terms relating to their attitude such as devil; satan; continue to stand as a precedant for all subsequent behaviour whether Jew or Greek. However, as precedant and law of first mention, the metaphores act as timeless symbols for that which will arise again in the nation of Israel at the End Times.
Ok, it is God’s express intention to save His people, of that there is no question, but in the main it will not be natural Israel’s express desire to be saved, even during their “Time of Trouble”..Dan 12. To suggest the time of trouble relates to when Titus sacked Jerusalem is at best total ignorance, since it will be a time of trouble never before experienced by the nation of Israel, and which involves the ten horns/Arab nations of Ps 83, which hasn’t happened yet. Jerusalem has yet to be overturned a third time Ezek 21:27 “A ruin! A ruin! A ruin! It will not be restored until he comes (Jesus) to whom it rightfully belongs; to him I will give it.” The land of Israel and city of Jerusalem belongs to Christ and his seed i.e. the bride..those who have the faith of Abraham, and not those who presume on the basis of nationalism and bloodline of Abraham that the land automatically belongs to them. There will be a very rude awakening for any who insult the blood of Christ’s sacrifice, with such a presumption.
Continuing with the various terms and symbols used to describe unbelieving Israel/Jews, we are able to understand what grieves God concerning His people. It is strong language and of a kind which is indicative of the seriousness of Israel’s apostacy. When Jesus talks of the fig tree shooting forth it’s leaves, it is the same language as that of the valley of dry bones coming together in the emergence of the Jewish nation at the End Times, and a sure sign that God’s plan is on course. However, many stop at the fig tree shooting its leaves with over enthusaistic patronage towards the fig tree, and forget the summer it is pointing to i.e. the kingdom of God..the true Israel! The fig tree is barren, the valley of dry bones has yet to have its flesh replaced, and it will when God creates a new heart within the nation of Israel. Howver, a new heart will not be easily forthcoming, and will take the time of trouble when not one stone of that which represents Jewish nationalism, will not be left on another, and many will die in their sins. The fig tree which Jesus cursed and has revived in these End Times, is the same language as that of the head which received a mortal wound and has revived. The satan of Lk 10:18; the devil of Jn 8:44 is the same as the dragon; serpent; satan; and devil of Rev 12:9; and is the same as the harlot and her daughters of Rev 16. The common denominator which links all of them is that they deceive.
Gal 3:6-7 is what the whole of Christ’s redemptive work is all about..”Consider Abraham: “He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. Understand, then, that those who BELIEVE are the children of Abraham.” Gal 3:29 “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” The promises concerning the land of Israel are conditional based upon faith, and not the presumption of any legal claim as a right of ownership! Rom 2:28: “A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. NO, A MAN is a Jew if he is one INWARDLY; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from MEN, but from God.”
SO, along with Mariane carry on at your peril to patronise the very opposite to what God considers what isn’t truly Jewish..truly Israel..and worship the barren fig tree whose mortal wound has been healed, but as a watchman I would advise you to pray for Israel to repent!!!
Again, what you say is correct, but your tone suggests something more than exegesis. But I think it would be advisable before you cast aspersions to repent to your Heavenly Father for the denigration of His son and our King and Saviour Jesus, by stripping him of his rightful heavenly rank!!!
“T T”
I couldn’t bring myself to write it out. You have set yourself up as a watchman for the purpose of casting aspersions on ethnic Israel-not a prudent thing to do. If you are as wise as you believe yourself to be, you will be the one repenting and finding a way with love and patience to help open the eyes of our Hebrew and Gentile brothers and sisters. Otherwise, you are already condemned by the one you so causually say you serve.
Yes Al, and if you can’t follow Jesus’ example “T T”, then try following the example of a kindred sinner Paul, whom said more or less what you have; but without a condemning spirit…but then he possessed the gift of love and the Holy Spirit, which all who know “the truth” will also be endowed with…but that can never be the case where there is an agenda that does not originate with God! It is unfortunate that your great knowledge is imparted with insidious, (though apparent to some) tones of anti-semitism. What a waste!
Richard,
I am not going to get into a protracted conversation with you, which I believe you would prefer not to have anyway
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Words have meanings and carry consequences and my unwillingness to call this person “The Truth” was measured. No one on this earth should assign that title to themselves. It speaks to a problem before even one word has been said. None of us see perfectly clear, so your taking umbrage at that is a non issue.
I did not condemn the person, but rather the message which you solidly embraced, which has always been the case. It is the heart and always will be of replacement theology. Whether you can accept it or not, you are not a Jew, spiritual or otherwise. You are of Israel, but not a Jew. This reference is to ethnic Israel, by saying that he who is a Jew is one spiritually and ethnically, not just by ethnicity. There is no reference to Gentiles being Jews. It was the choice of the Gentile Christian Church to run with this and has caused centuries of mass murder, torture, confiscation of property and on and on……. Your veiled reference to me being anti-Semitic was understood, but categorically wrong. The Christian Church followers are not the NEW JEWS! After 2000 years, there is as little understanding as there was over the centuries
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I find it incredible that you, for all intent and purpose, agreed with his anti-Semitic ramblings, but just needed to keep Messiah out of it. We have a record in scripture, that in graphic fashion brought the truth of Judah’s failings front and center for all to see, and for those who so desired, to exact their “Holy” revenge on His people, which the Christian Church has done with zeal and is still doing. The failings of the Gentile Christian Church, for at least the past 1700 years, is well documented in historical writings, but no one wants to read that. It’s not part of scripture so pretty much irrelevant. The horrors and atrocities visited on the Jews by their Gentile “BROTHERS” is a stench and a stain that is still in the Church to this day and for as long as replacement theology is alive and thrives. And the Church wonders why the Jews see the name of Jesus as a swear word. Put yourself in their place, the victims of attempted genocide in the name of Jesus. They, the Jews, have paid for their sin for 2000 years. How much is enough????
What you and most other Christians can’t seem to get your head around, is the fact that the Jews will not kneel at a Christian altar. Won’t happen! What will happen and is happening, since the Jews are back in their land, is a coming to salvation through Yahshua, according to their Hebrew roots. But it is not only the Jews, but also those Gentiles (Ephraim) who are coming out of their bondage of Babylonian style Christianity; Jew and Gentile-One New Man in Messiah. So you see that is the “insidious” plan, the restoration of all things. Brothers (Yisrael) reunited living in peace “in the land”.
This was Yah’s plan from the beginning and it will happen, and is happening now. I will work to this end with everything that is within me, but conversely I will resist those who work against it and call them out on their replacement made up theology, or those who set themselves up as being superior based solely on their ethnic purity.
So call me what you will. I would rather have you as a reconciled brother than an adversary. But I will not condone or use kid gloves to work on eradicating the “insidious” idea of Christian replacement theology. It is the Christian Church that will return (the message of Elijah) to their roots of Israel and not the Jews going to the Christian Church to find their fulfillment in Messiah.
amen to that. I don’t think either you or richard are anti-semitic
Hi Al, Hope you are well,
Sorry, It appears that you have misunderstood my comment! Perhaps it should have read: “Yes Al, I agree, and if……. Apologies; take another look. I was fully endorsing your justified disdain for the anti-semtic tone of “the truth”‘s comments, although, as I said, I agree in most with “the truth”‘s exegesis; but the spirit propelling it was one of condemnation, which added bias to the context, I believe. We all know how Israel, by most part, failed God, but those alive today are not those “miscreants”, so it is pointless drawing parallels, even though modern Israel, by most part, possesses the same obstinate heart, in much the same way the “Church” is pagan to the core.
In fact, I don’t even know what the so-called Christian Church has to do with Christ, but I do know that true followers of Jesus are “brethren in Christ and of the same mind; and I believe the word “church” to mean “a gathering of people for the purpose of worship, thanksgiving and instruction”, and not a network of buildings housing thousands of denominations who are divided through dissension, and who all originate from the first great apostasy Paul warned of: Catholicism; whom as we know, slaughtered many millions of the Lord’s sheep, as was inevitable, knowing who it’s father is
So when people talk about the “church” and “replacement”, it is like for like as far as I’m concerned; obstinate Israel, and pagan Christendom, and I want and have nothing to do with either of them.
If anyone can prove that the entity called “The Church”, as it is understood today, equates with the Body Of Christ in God’s Word, then let’s hear it! And let’s not forget that when we see “church” in God’s Word, it should read congregation, which is the gathering of the true brethren in Christ, and not the spiritually bankrupt conglomerate of buildings with distinguishing titles born out dissension.
There is only one true gathering of God’s people and that is: “the Israel of God”, which originated with the Olive Tree and received it’s growing instructions from the Council of Jerusalem, and sits nowhere between the two, because it is the spiritual kingdom of God, and thus no part of this world.
Spiritual Jews?…for another time! 🙂
Blessings to you Al
p.s. should have read : “sits nowhere between the two “miscreants”
Richard,
Thank you for making that clarification. Needless to say it appears I did take it wrong. I regret the error.
Blessings to you also Richard
awwww
Np problem, Al…it’s probably down to the way I write. Best to start at the bottom and work down!… 🙂
Yes Jesus came to save, and it took a price which is beyond our comprehension, yet in our feeble way we are truly thankful for His grace and unmerited favour, made possible only through his shed and poured out blood, all for the redmption of mankind, whether Jew or Greek; bondman or free, we are all one in Christ if like Abraham the father of the faithful, we have his faith to see Jesus as the true Israel..the only Israel..the Prince of El..Amen!
There are many examples in the scriptures of God’s displeasure towards His Covenanted people the Jews, because of..wait for it..their disobedience. In the main the Jews due to their apostacy, didn’t enter the Promised Land on a previous occasion, and it will be true again when judgement comes upon modern day Israel, for their continued apostacy when they will not enter into the True Israel i.e. Jesus and the kingdom of God..unless they repent and we know some will.To the Jew first were given the Oracles of God, and to the Jew first was expected works of obedience, based upon the faith of Abraham. If the Jewish nation had shown works of obedience based upon that very faith, the world which was in pagan darkness, would have been brought into subjection to God’s righteous ways, and legal requirements. However, the Jewish nation did the very opposite, and plunged the world into even greater pagan darkness, and one in which Israel took the lead, until the true light of the world came to address the cause of that darkness, and the disciples of Moses didn’t like it!
Who were the disciples of Moses (John 9:28); they were the Pharisees and the ruling classes of Christ’s day. It is true that God has blinded (hardened the nation), however, Jesus says of the Pharisees (John 9:41) “…If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.” The same sun that melts wax, also hardens clay! There were many within the nation of Israel who came to believe, one of them being Saul of Tarsus. So again, God didn’t blind the whole nation, only those who already had hearts of clay. As for the blind man (John 9) who received both his physical and spiritual sight, he was cast out of the synagogue of satan, to become a member of the synagogue of Christ!
The Pharisees were the children of the devil (John 8: 42-47). Hence we get the same message in Rev 12: 7-9 where Michael (Christ), continues the fight against those who crucified him, where we have the same terms that Jesus used of the unbelieving Jew once before i.e. Satan and devil who try to oppose his reign. Just as a remnant believed during Christ’s ministry, so a remnant will believe after experiencing a time of trouble such as never before (Dan 12). It’s the same language as when Jesus said, (Luke 10:18) “I saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven.” The same language is mirrored in Rev where the harlot (modern day Pharisees and Sanhedrin in Israel) and her daughters will be cast out, so that the new Israel/Heavenly Jerusalem can take its place.
Hi “The Truth”,
What you say about physical Judaic Israel ,I beleive, is scriptural and fair, but is generally not a popular view on this site. Just wondering what you believe the Olive Tree to represent in Rom.11; and what Paul meant by the Israel of God in Gal. 6:16.
Also, take a look at Daniel 10:13 and see that Michael cannot be Jesus,
Blessings.
Richard.
My church knows that Jesus is rcangel Micheal.
Hi Richard, yes the views I put forward are not popular on this site, because there is confusion over who or what Israel is, and to whom the promises are given. We know that Abraham was given promises to himself and his seed i.e Christ. If we link this to passages in Galations and Romans 2:28 etc, we see a different kind of Israel being the recipient of the blessings. That’s not to discount natural Isarel because God remembers natural Israel for the sake of the fathers i.e. Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob, and for this reason the Jew has to be brough back into a covenant relationship to the glory of God, and for the establishment of the kingdom to take place.
We know that Michael is the name of one of the Arch-Angels, but it is also a name for Christ. In the same way the name David (beloved) is also used of Christ. If we look at the names of Jacob’s children e.g. Bejamin, this also is a title for Christ i.e. Son of my right hand! The problem is for many of us unlike my Messianic friends who speak Hebrew, we don’t understand the import of the words we are reading, and as such we miss out on the message. It’s a bit like the word believe in the origianal Greek..it’s so much more than an academic belief, and carries more light and shade to its meaning, such as to give credence to etc. So again Dan 10 is the Arch-Angel, but Rev 12:7 is a reference to Christ..after all it is about the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and the signs of his coming!!!
“The Truth”,
With due respect, you are intellectualizing the Word of God by turning it into an etymological exercise, when all that is required is pure logic and a little knowledge.
1. There is only one archangel (chief angel) and that is Michael.
2. Daniel 10:13 references Michael as ONE OF the foremost princes.
Jesus is UNIQUE.
3. Jesus was talking to Daniel in this verse.
This is not just about interchangeability of names, there are titles and
rank involved here.
If you wish to believe that Jesus is no greater than what was created through him and for him, then you unfortunately have yet to come to know who your saviour really is!
Blessings to you!
Hi Richard,
If you want to call it intellectualizing the word of God, so be it, if that’s the way you see the Hebraic meaning of God’s holy word. The name Michael means who is like God, and therefore, the meaning could not be better suited to any other, other than the Lord Jesus Christ. We sometimes say of our children, you are just like your father or mother, and it was certainly true of Jesus Christ, concerning the character of God in Christ.
Anyway, in the first instance the word of God is an intellectual study, and the Bereans were highly commended for their studious approach to the word of God! This is how we come to a knowledge of God’s saving grace in Christ, and then with God’s bleesing it has to make its way into our hearts, so that it means something more than merely intellectual.
By understanding the meanings of names or words, we can see how their application is attributed to Christ and his redemptive work of salvation for the whole of mankind. Many things in the bible point to Christ e.g. the skins that covered the nakedness of Adam & Eve after they had sinned; the offering of Isaac; the Tabernacle etc etc.
As for hierarchy amongst the angelic host, yes it is true that there is rank in the heavenly realms. Jesus has superior rank over and above any of the angelic host, because he achieved what the angels could not i.e. Heb 2 verses 14; + 16-18 “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of the flesh and blood, he also himself likewise partook of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the of death, that is, the devil….For verily he took not on him the nature OF ANGELS; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefor in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath SUFFERED being TEMPTED, he is able to succour them that are tempted” No angel of any rank could achieve this..only CHRIST who fought the temptations within his Adamic flesh..he took the flesh of Adam as a prisoner to the cross, and thereupon carried out the death sentance upon the devil.
So again, it has nothing to do with intellectualizing from my perspective, but rather as you say applying simple logic and allowing the scriptures to teach us what it’s saying, always being mindful of the context, especially when it comes to quoting Dan 10:13..this particular verse is about a prince (Michael) with a lower-case ‘p’, not the Prince (Christ) with a capital ‘P’. Furthermore, when it comes to context we need to remember, that the word angel for example which means mesenger, can also apply to human messengers, not just elohim messengers. Another example of how the application of words; names; titles; are interchangeable as well as vary in context is evidenced in Isa 45:1 where it talks of God’s annointed (Cyrus), but it would be ridiculous to suggest that Cyrus had been a manifestation of Christ by dint of him being God’s annointed. A cursory look at the scriptures will lead to all kinds of misunderstandings, especially regarding knowing who your (P)rince of El is..the true Israel..Jesus Christ!!!
Hi “The Truth”
I respect your immense knowledge and your eloquent presentation, but again I appeal to your capacity for simple logic which should hopefully cut through what I perceive to be intellectualisation of God’s Word, almost always necessary to explain a plausible? alternative view in the event of a self-evident truth having been circumvented, for whatever motive or reason. Naturally, we use our intellects to assimilate God’s Word, but I am addressing it’s use as a vehicle of persuasion.
So again, if you believe Michael to be Christ, then however you dress it, “the Michael” in Daniel, and the Archangel mentioned elsewhere in scripture are one and the same, so you believe that Christ is not King, but rather a foremost prince, thus stripping Christ of his status as the begotten son of God.
Also, I ask you again to consider whether Jesus would refer to himself as “Michael, one of the foremost princes” when talking to Daniel in 10:13. If you are saying that this is a different Michael, then I fully understand your reasons for having to do this; but scripture will not support you here.
Blessings.
p.s No matter what the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses or similar, and Catholicism would have you believe 🙂
The problem with your approach is that you are not differentiating, as the bible does, between Michael the arch-angel who is a lesser being, and Christ who is the true Michael..in the image of God, and therefore you must prove your hypothesis, which is really little more than conjecture. The other problem is that if we take what Michael means in English i.e. the image of God, this can be said of all the angelic host since they are all in His image. When any of the angelic host appeared in the presence of mortal man, they would do so as God’s representatives/ambassadors. God’s name was in them (Ex 23:21), in the same way as an ambassador of state bears the name of the country he or she represents. No man has directly seen the Father face to face, since God cannot look upon sinful man without mortal man being destroyed. Therefore, when Jesus came in the image of God (Michael), we saw God’s annointed representative thus revealing the Father to us, all by virtue of Christ’s character mirroring God’s holiness.
As for circumventing the truth, I would suggest it is you who has done this, with great cunning and guile for reasons best known to you, and who for some obscure reason has taken the use of the name Michael out of context, and thereby misappropriated the true context being conveyed. Furthermore, the bible does make a distinction between the use of the lower-case ‘p’ for the princes of worldly principalities, and capital ‘P’s with reference to Jesus Christ. The bible alone has authority on the use of emphasis, in oder to determin the characeter of the subject, and it’s context not us!
Jesus (Yeshua) is not Michael.
Michael serves the Lord against the prince of persia in Daniel 10:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=10&t=KJV#13
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“The Truth”….Logic does not involve cunning and guile..thank you!!
So you are saying that Michael the Archangel is a lesser being than Christ (agreed), but we are to know Christ as Michael just the same.
So please explain why Christ is to be known as Michael, when there is no scriptural evidence to support this; and when Christ does not once refer to himself as such, and neither does God! To say that Michael is Christ because “Michael” means “who is like God?” is one audacious assumption, if I may say so!
For the record, I do not believe Jesus to be God; and I suspect you don’t either, (otherwise Michael would be God); but if you should be a J.W, perhaps you will re-consider your understanding of “Michael”, knowing that it is not necessary to hold to this view in order to distinguish Christ from God. Of course, disregard this if you are not a J.W or S.D.A, bit your pseudonym suggests you may be……Thanks.
Blessings.
Hi T
Michael ‘is’ Jesus is a Jehovah Witness concept. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe God came from heaven to earth, yet they cannot deny someone came down. So they shift the identity of the one who ascended to an arch angel, Michael. Jesus is supposedly Michael because his name means ‘who is like God.
I see other ‘concepts’ flying around the internet now, purporting that Michael is Jesus and Lucifer is his brother, both archangels of God. Premise is the same ole story of sibling rivalry.
salvation is open to both jew and non jew now.
let us pray that many come to accept Jesus for who he is and what he did for us all
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Valerie Jarret is IRANIAN! No WONDER. - Page 5 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum said this on November 5, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
The number 6 is a human number. The number 7 is a number used by G-d.
The European counsel has a seat left open for the one which they wait to lead them. They meet in a re-built Tower of Babel. The seat number is 666.
The WTO is about world government. See CFR world government. Right now, there are ten regions. Region one will soon be just one region, not three, and give the WTO 7 regions to rule the world.
So, right now, there could be ten kings that give their power for one hour to the lawless one. The one who will sit at seat 666. Also, it is not so much about one coin, but control of regions through central banks.
Right now in America all monies go through the FED. A private company, and not a Federal anything. Given power to it by Congressmen who sold out to special interest. President Kenedy tried to take the control of money back, and got shot in the head for it.
Somehow, G-d’s will occurs as it is written in the Bible. How, I am not sure. But, people in Noah’s day did not believe G-d could flood the world, and a lot of people believe Noah’s flood never happened.
The Bible repeats it’self. G-d is love, his wrath is rightious. Lucifer lied to the Angels about G-d’s laws, and it lied to Adam, and Eve too. The New Age is all about doing away with G-d’s laws, and making man as god.
The lawless one who will head the world government will make peace with the many for one week. His number is 666.
agreed
book of daniel says the lawless one will cast truth to the ground
we are seeing that now
You have forgotten or misread the Statue of Nebuchadnezzar and done the same thing that most people do with the prophecy of 70 weeks and broken a continuous story and tossed the end way into the future.
The ten toes are connected to the legs of iron which represent the Roman empire therefore they must follow Rome in the beast sequence. Medo-Persiaconquered Babylon, Greece conquered Medo-Persia, then Rome conquered them. What followed the fall of Rome was the Holy Roman Empire consisting of the ten Roman states (horns) plus the Vatican – the little horn, which early on had control of the Roman legions and wiped out three horns (vandals, Ostrogoths and Heruli) completely. The statue reflects history perfectly. The toes are directly connected to the legs. There is no 2000 year gap indicated in the statue. The little horn is the second beast of revelation (the Holy Roman Empire is the first) and since it is also a church it is the woman in Revelation who rides the (Vatican) beast. The pope is its image and is the man of sin who changed laws and times (moved the Sabbath time). Can you imagine how angry God must be that one of His church leaders would think he actually had power over God to change His commandments? And to call himself the substitute for Jesus Christ. A title which in latin adds up to 666.
Is all this just a big coincidence or is it fulfilled prophecy? The odds that it is all a lucky guess is over 40 trillion to one. Yet no one sees it. They wait for the “Left Behind” scenario to unfold instead.
I hope everyone will take a look at history and do the math. God has already proven the Book of Revelation is His true prophecy. We are supposed to see it and believe in the book as fact. Instead we ignore the facts and follow a movie plot.
Satan has cleverly hidden the truth from the masses and just as rev13 predicts, all God’s people will follow the beast. Come out of her! He said. But many Christians believe He is calling to the Muslims.
Just as the Jews missed the prophecies of the first coming today’s Christians are missing the prophecy for the Second Coming.
History repeats itself! 😦
James
You are so wong about Rome and theVatican.
I told you so many times that Jesus is in the Vatican now,
He loves the Vatican. He loves the pope. The Pope is called the substitute for Jesus because they are allowed to say that. Jesus has already revealed to us about 666 and it told this before. 666 stands for www bucause in old hebrew and greek they replaced numbers with letters. He talked about a chip that Us will us as anew currency but he also said that we will not follow the book of Rev and my Church not have this book in our Bible. Don´t forgett that Jesus was the first one to change the sabbat. He picked some wheat form the weat field on the sabbat which was not allowed at that time. Jesus knew that In Christinity we will have another rules regarding the sabbat.
Hi James,
I also believe you are wrong, but from a different perspective.
Just think about this for a moment: God has always desired for the nation of Israel to be established as the centre of His kingdom on earth. We know this is fact because the 12 disciples will have charge over the twelve tribes of Israel in the kingdom age. When Christ comes again to form a righteous government, overwhich Jesus will rule as king, a remnant of present day natural Israel will be grafted back into their natural Olive tree. However, (and this is the problem) how does God bring a largely unbelieving Israel to the point of belief?
In the past, as a consequence of Israel’s unbelief and resultant disobedience, God allowed Israel’s enemies to gain the upper-hand over them. God would refere to Israel in what might be construed as derogatory terms, and along with the prophets who denounced Israel for their waywardness, the Jews would if the term anti-semetic had been in their dictionary, would have condemned the prophets including the Lord Jesus on the basis of anti-semetism.
It is true that the nation of Israel has suffered great persecution, but only and only because of their disobedience to God. One only has to look at Deut 28, to see how God would deal with the nation of Israel, either for their obedience or disobedience. Therefore, it is scripture that tells us the why they have been persecuted, and it is God who has done this to them Isa 45:7 etc. We are told that Jerusalem will suffer a third time Eze 21:27, and why! because of unbelief. When Jesus says in Lk 13:35 “your house is left unto you desolate” it’s because the high priest Jesus Christ (see Lev 14 leprous house) has found the house of Israel to be riddled with leprousy, and hence not one stone shall be left upon another Lk 21:6. In the same way Jesus described the scribes and Pharisees (the ruling classes) as whited sepulchres full of dead mens bones. These are the same bones (Ezek 37) which have been revived as Israel today; they are the walking dead! that’s until they have been cleansed and been given a new heart, and hopefully you will pray for that as I do. There’s a lot of things that happen to Israel between Ezek 37:13 & 14 before Israel turns back to God. This is where the Old Testament/Olivet prophecies and Revelation all come into play, which shows us how God deals with a nation of whom He choses to use deregatory terms regarding their state of unbelief. God has done so in the past Isa 1:21, and continues to do so until they are willing to change.
The empires represented by the metals of Nebuchadnezzars image, all stand at the End Times as a conglomerate super-empire. The main players when Christ returns to strike the image at its feet, would appear to be a continuation of the Roman Empire (iron), and the Arabs (miry clay with miry being a Chaldean word/term for Arab or mingled peoples). The ten toes are the semetic peoples of Ps 83 who have a long history of hatred towards the Jews..and yes Rome too. The thing is this, if the nation of Israel had obeyed God, the beast empires wouldn’t be there today to threaten Israel. In fact, the beast is standing on the nation of Israel when Christ strikes strikes the image. The reason it is standing on the nation of Israel is because she is the foundation and cornerstone of this amalgum of empires, and therefore an integral part of the beast system, which eventually turns on her. It seems like Israel will also be betrayed by one of her own Dan 11 by a man who will have no regard for the God of his fathers i.e Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob verse 37! It’s interesting to note that the Rothschild’s International Banking dynasty who have funded zionism from its inception through to today, and who control the world’s entire banking system, as well as the Global Securities Fund for starting wars; have on one side of their family, started having intimate relationships with Isalmic families.
Don’t waist your time with Bible chapter, and verse on James. He will not accept anything other than his replacment stuff. But, he does believe in Jesus. That should do it for him.
He thinks the Bible is a movie plot.
Hey the bible IS a great movie plot. I just watched King of Kings! Great movie.
I also watched “Left Behind” a while ago. A good movie plot, but not biblically correct. That’s all I’m saying.
As for the statue, you can buck 40 trillion to one odds if you want, that’s up to you.
Good luck with that.
Don’t waste your time with James if you are one happy to fornicate with “The Harlot”, but should you come to the realization that all who partake of her will be destroyed with her, then I’m sure James will only be too pleased to get you a “divorce” at astronomical speed…if you ask him nicely!! Maybe no one has got it all right, but make no mistake, too many have got too much wrong, and if this were not so, then God would not be shouting to GET OUT OF HER!!!…….
Blessings to you James!…..:)
Marianne, con’t from too narrow column above. You said:
“Jesus (Yeshua) is not Michael.
Michael serves the Lord against the prince of persia in Daniel 10:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=10&t=KJV#13
Marianne said this on November 8, 2012 at 2:02 am”
This is correct, and what the versus in Daniel make clear, but just to clarify; “the truth” now says that Michael the Archangel is not Christ, but nevertheless, we are to know Christ as Michael anyway, because “Michael” means “who is like God”.
Most hebrew names honor or reference YHVH God in some way.
But it does not mean the individual bearing the name is YHVH.
Peniel ( angel) means the face of God, but it does not make the angel God himself.
So true, and this is where intellectualism and ingenious invention sets out to baffle brains through semantic and etymological argumentation, for which Jehovah’s Witnesses and the like are masters of; but it cannot baffle the Spirit of God; but at least “the truth” acknowledges that Michael the Archangel is subordinate to Christ; and if you should be a J.W or S.D.A. or similar, “the truth”; GET OUT NOW and ask questions later!! Bless you dear brother!
Richard.
Jesus is arcangel Micheal. When Micheal serves the lord in Daniel it means he serves God. God is the lord in the old testament and the lord in the new testament is Jesus and God. Daniel chap 12 says daniel is the great prince for the hebrew people who will come back in the end times. Jesus is the hebrews prince who will come back in the end times.
Hi Mariane, and also Richard if I may include a reply to him on the same post.
First and foremost I am not a JW, neither am I a S.D.A. For your information I was brought up as C of E, where I attended morning and afternoon Sunday school. In my teens I attended a gospel church, then Pentecostal for a while, as well as some New Age UFO groups in my later teens, before spending several years in the wilderness not knowing what to believe. My mother did show some interest in the JW’s for a year or two, but went off the idea when I was around 7 years old. The first book my mother bought me to teach me to read at the age of 4, was a childrens bible story book.
At the age of 21 I met a girl who was later to become my wife, she introduced me to another group of Christians. I attended their group meetings such as bible classes, and had regular Sunday worship with them. I indulged in the study of many Christian books, as well as publications, and attended quite a few seminars. However, after a few years I didn’t see eye to eye with them on both a personal level, and where some doctrinal matters were concerned. There was a bit of in-house antagonism between some members who either saw the Catholic church as the beast, or who saw the Arab/Islamists as the beast. There was a third group within the church, (allbeit very small in numbers) who saw Israel as the harlot based on Isa 1:21, as well as the general biblical condemnation of Israel for its apostacy. Once again, with what seemed to be so many different view points, I re-entered the wilderness of not knowing what to believe.
My interest in the scriptures continued, but with a somewhat subdued passion for the Word. Then I heard about a prophecy class concerning the 70 weeks of Dan 9, and this took over my life. I was reading a lot of books by different people, and realised that some authors were writing on topics without, or at the very least had very knowledge of the scriptures, but who nonethelss made sense.
So, as for Michael the arch angel in Dan 10:13, and Michael with reference to Christ in Rev 12:7, there is a distinction made between the two uses of Michael, the former being presented as the name or even title of a Persian prince (lower case ‘p’ for context), and Michael in the later being presented as a title for Christ. Just to point out the use of lower case and capital letters to differentiate between God’s Son, and whoever, we can make reference to Acts 13:15 “And killed the Prince of life.” Other examples of emphasis could also be cited to clarify any matters resulting in confusion.
As for Richard’s accusation of intellectualism and genius invention, this is nothing less than a mask to cover his own inability to prove from scripture, that there is error of any kind in the use of Michael (who is like God/context) of Christ in Rev 12:7. Through the “changing of times and seasons” the ignorant will lead the ignorant into the same pit.
interesting view for discussion
Hi “the truth”,
Hope you are well…I like you….you are sincere; and so pleased to learn that you are not a J.W…..
With regard to Michael…If you believe that the Prince of Persia is another Michael, (not the Archangel Michael), then this undermines your case for
the Michael in Rev being Jesus, because this other lesser Michael, by definition, would too be like God (“who is like God?”).
So if any Michael, by definition, can be like God, then there is no special case to support the idea of Michael the Archangel in Rev. being Jesus.
Hope that makes sense.
Blessings.
actually, that does not make sense
How can that be….”the truth” seems sincere enough to me! 🙂
Oh you mean “Michael”…O.K…the name Michael means :”who is like God?”..the question mark indicating….who is like God other than possibly Jesus.
1. Because of this, some claim that Michael the Archangel is Jesus.
When “the truth” was presented with the fact that Michael could not be Jesus, because Michael is referred to as ONE OF the foremost princes in Daniel 10:13, he then contended that this Michael is not the Archangel mentioned in Rev (see above comments).
2. it is generally accepted that all instances of “Michael” in scripture refer to Michael the Archangel.
3. “the truth” contends that references of Michael in Daniel are a lesser Michael than the Archangel, because of referencing him as “one of the foremost princes” and “foremost prince”
Conclusion: Because “the truth” contends there is a lesser Michael than the Archangel, then, If a lesser Michael (or any Michael) by definition of name can “be like God”, then what case is there to support the idea that Michael the Archangel is Jesus, on the strength of a name.
the topic is interesting, but apparently, not resolved yet, to the point of seeing eye to eye.
the passage where Michael the prince stands up for Israel during Jacob’s trouble, but is somehow NOT the messiah, adds to the alternate viewpoint.
There can be no resolution where the Archangel Michael is believed to be Jesus; which is “the truths” affirmation. (see the initial comments)
No amount of mincing the name Michael can deflect from this erroneous idea!
I do not think Michael is Jesus. Just pointing out how messianic Michael sounds in Daniel when he comes to defend Israel in Jacob’s trouble
Another passage indicates the “angel of the lord” is assisted by Michael to fight the prince of persia……so there are other personalities defending Israel besides Michael
I know you don’t think Michael to be Jesus. Yes, Michael is mentioned as “one the foremost princes of Persia”, and “foremost prince”, the other prince no doubt Gabriel and other angels.
Michael being the archangel, is by rank, Jesus’ right hand man, so Jesus being King, will delegate through Michael, hence Jesus comes with the voice of an archangel.
Hi Marianne,
We all know by now that Michael means who is like God. Therefore, who is like God other than the Lord Jesus in his now glorified state, having been made immortal?!? Of course, the arch angel Michael as well as other angels would also be like God. Being like God doesn’t make them the same as God, but ratther as ministering spirits, they share the imortal nature of God. There is no indication as to why one of the arch angels should be so named. Why would God give Cyrus the king of Persia the title of being His anointed or Messiah. Messiah is translated anointed from the verb Mashahh, and therefore was an appropriate use of the title in the case of Cyrus, who served God in fulfilling the decree to allow the Jews to return to Jerusalem. The important thing about words; names; or titles in the scriptures, is that those to whom they apply are working in God’s service, as in the instance of one of the princes of Persia of Dan 10.
Another example at the opposite end of the spectrum, is where the word satan (adversary) is applied to Peter (Math 16:23) “..get thee behind me satan (adversary)” who opposed the Will of God, and who for one moment in his life wasn’t working in the service of God.
We have all received an anointing by the Holy Spirit, and all have been called into service to do God’s work..all in the name of God’s anointed..the Messiah whose name should be written in our hearts..Jesus Christ! Whilst we are not the Anointed (title), we have been anointed on the basis of belief (commissioned) as was Cyrus!
Jesus will soon start his next mission and he will reveal that he is the archangel Micheal. He is the prince in daniel.
Well Adam; since you believe Jesus to be Michael the Archangel, and Jesus to be also God, then simple logic suggests that you believe God to be Michael the Archangel; but this is not surprising since you once stated that half the human race have monkey D.N.A; but since you are obviously not one of these, even though you sell their bananas, at least try to make it obvious that you wish to be no part of them!
Love you Adam…you are a star!! 🙂
when handed bananas, make banana pudding
…..or forever be remanded in custardy!…and remember, no one ever gets released on a split decision!
Richard
I don’t think Jesus is God. My faith is that God can speak through his son then we have one God in form of trinity. Jesus father is God and his name is zebaot or adonai etc. I think that all people with dark skin has monkey blood in them, not the rest. Even if this is my faith I don’t look down on blacks. I have black friends ad are judging them by their faith and not by colour.
G-d made all of us. All of us today came from Noah’s ship.
G-d die for all humans. The word was with G-d from the fondation of Heaven, and earth. the word was made flesh to show G-d’s laws are just. G-d went to the cross in meekness, and humility when he could have destroyed all. This shows G-d’s love, and that his laws are just which Lucifer told the Angels G-d’s laws were not just.
We must learn to love one another, or we will not be allowed into the Kingdom of G-d.
Well Adam, you have said on many occasions that you believe Jesus to be God, but anyway, thanks for the tip off about dark-skinned people and monkey blood, as this will be helpful in understanding Marianne’s background a little better, and why she thinks the way she does.
huh?
What do you think I think?
superior !! 🙂 The whites have not progressed to monkey blood yet, but gibbon time they will; and then we will all be a chimp off the ole’ black.!!
from what many blacks believe, they were the original adam and eve, and whites evolved later…..
I am not a monkey, and did not evolve from one either
…no; it’s just the way you jump from post to post!
We have always called Jesus isa and the whole arab world icluding Israel is calling Jesus Isa. Isa is the first man on earth. Isa and adam is the same person. Adam is the hebrew name. Like I said before Jesus had blue eyes light red hair when he was young and dark hair as an adult according to my Church. Jesus who is in the vatican now had light red hair as a child, blue eyes and now how dark hair and he says he is Adam the first man on earth so our faith is true. And I never said Jesus is god. I said he is divine whichI mean is that he have Gods power and that Jesus can be God through trinity.
…no; it’s just the way you jump from post to post!
Richard said this on November 10, 2012 at 7:43 pm
richard
it must be the evolution thing.
I am part rabbit
I thought so…you are also part harelarious!!
Ha ha now I saw that. Richard have humor.I had humor before jesus told me what will happen to the world soon and now I can’t be funny anymore.
Where the F** did u get 19 as holy number
I am a muslim and I never ever heared that 19 is holy number
“The number “666″ is believed to represent the Quran and the Prophet Mohammed” – by you
WTF . . . this is all a load of BS
If you want to prove a point, which you will never reach, atleast use correct analogy, not LIES
dear AD
I got the information from muslim websites. I gave the references. I noticed that one site is no longer available.
You have a vile mouth. I notice individuals worshiping false gods, or worshiping themselves as G-d are full of hate, and nasty mouths.
Why don’t you read a correct History book on the god of the Kaabba, and see it is one of 360 gods Muhammad made everyone worship, or get their head cut off. While you are at it, read how Muhammad raided caravans, enslaved people, murdered, and raped.
Did you know the god Sin is the superman the European Union is waitng to come lead the world? The return of the son of the Sun god. Aka Tammuz.
something only Jesus and his Father God can do..
I will like to belog
Dear Marianne,
i think you are person that that believes in every thing it sees on the internet,
you dont research for it you just post it, most of your islamic knowledge is weak and i find your sources to be corupt.
any way to contact you,i want to show you what really Islam is about,
not the things media tells you.
media,huh do you know 1500 tv channels, 3000 radio channels, and 1000 newspaper companies are owned by just 3 companies.
i ask you,do you really think media is free?
I know that Islam denies that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus said this about himself, and proved it while he was here.
Jesus also died for the sins of mankind, voluntarily. Islam denies this too.
this is a deep subject. Islam argues against christian doctrine that is not int he bible.
I only go by what the bible says.
Jesus was more than a prophet.
he was the son of God, by spirit, not flesh.
if you deny who he is, then you deny the GOD who sent him.
Islam means to submit to the god of the Kaabba. Muhammad who murdered, and raped most of his adult life is the perfect man in Islam. Plus, he raided caravans, and took slaves.
Muslims follow Muhammad, and pray to the god of the Kaabba. One of 360 gods Muhammad made everyone worship or have their head cut off. The god, or my god of the Kaabba is known to Dr.’s of History as the moon god Sin.
Islam is a cult of death. Misleading millions.
Does that about sum it up?
You summed this up very well Leatherneck….the truth is all that can set them free and save them from the darkness they are gone into and who knows…this may be their last warning of the evil of Islam they have chosen…it is no time to sit on swings la la ing lovesongs that will not look at the danger they may be in..when death is at the door of all mankind…we cannot tell the day we are all called to face the reaper….you summed it up well.
That is the kindness of Christ outside the Temple with the money changers and money changers come in many shadows and guises today.
mariene i know chrastinaity has its own believes, i respect that
so you do belief that he will be back?
yes, jesus ( Yeshua) will return to fight the antichrist and establish world peace.
true….He will…
who is Jesus?
the first verse I learned as a moeslim is “lakum dinukum waliyadin”
meaning (sorry for bad english) “you have your religion, and we have ours”
and I want to be left alone. Am I cutural or religious moeslim?.
regards
aby
I would not know whether you are a cultural musllm or a religious one. Only you can answer that.
You say that you want to be left alone? Then why have Muslims, in the name of Muhammad and his writings been attacking countries and murdering millions for 14 centuries. No, you all leave everyone else alone!!
Sorry in the last decade America bombed no one? You Dick!
I quoted from your comment on september 6,2008 at 5:14 pm
“Any talk of peace is just a strategy to gain acceptance. However, there really are muslims who do not strongly adhere to what the others think. They just want to be left alone. I call these cultural muslims, not religious muslims. ”
that is why I’m ask.
dear aby
Yes, I said that. So you identify your self as a cultural muslim? my answer is ok…
I guess I am wondering your reason for being on this Christian site. Is there something I can do for you?
I’m just curious, Isa is born where Roman ruled, His Apostles are Roman (CMIIW). Should the New Testament wrote in Latin not Greek?
From the article above, Moeslim hate Satan and their kind, not other “Kingdom”. Don’t we all hate Satan ? Why don’t we make friends, not foe (we have one clear enemy = Satan).
And if I want to be aggressive. It’s not christian. we may have many bad history, but doesn’t mean we cannot cooperate in some agreement. there is a “kingdom” that say for peace but act not likely peace, have their own land but claim others theirs. look at the world map since 1982 until now, which is spread with fire and acid (isn’t this the real cross sword, not just symbol).
That is (IMO) the real “beast”. Control the crowd by their small number.
Beside, there always a reason to hate someone, logic or non logic.
And what from I know (and I’m pretty sure) Christian love peace not the other side.
regards
dear aby
The Romans ruled the land of Israel, just like other conquering armies did in different times in history. But that did not make the inhabitants Romans. So, the inhabitants were Hebrews, Jews, not Romans. The apostles were Jews, and spoke Aramaic and Hebrew.
The “universal accepted cultural language” at that time was Greek, not Latin, although I am sure people had to learn that language too.
It is like English today. Each country has its own language, and maybe more than one language, but the language of commerce today is English. So once the international language was Greek, and now it is English, someday it might be another language.
I agree the common enemy is satan for all peoples.
The Beast in my opinion, is satan, who controls godless people, who have all the money. This group then controls the religions with its money and threats of harm.
IT is the responsibility of people in each religion to make sure the satan does not trick it into doing what he wants. Satan wants violence, death and war.
The bible said that in the last days, which we see now, many will be deceived.
Islam has used the sword to spread violence and harm. But Islam is not alone in this. There have been many wars that Islam did not start. So any country, religion or person who hates and attacks others is doing the will of satan, not God.
God wants peace and love, not hate and war.
Jesus (Isa) (Yeshua) will come and establish this peace, and destroy the work of satan. I pray that it is soon.
Hebrew was the sacred language spoken by the Jews which includes of course Jesus. They spoke it when they were in religious discussions or in Temple. Aramaic is a semitic dialect closer to Hebrew than Arabic. Arabic was not spoken in the area until later. Jesus and many others also spoke some Latin as Israel was temporarily ruled by the Romans at the time. Many including Jesus also spoke some Greek.
That being said Aramaic was the language that Jesus primarily spoke to those around him in public because that is the language that generally everyone spoke in public. When addressing a Roman soldier, one might have to speak with him in Latinespecially if he did not speak Aramaic.
No, none of Jesus’ apostles were Roman. They were Jewish. They spoke Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek and occaisionally Latin. You say Muslims hate Satan but many people believe that the voices Muhammad was hearing in his head might have been demonic beings due to what Muhammad wrote and did in his lifetime because although he said some peaceful things, most was not peaceful and his actions contradicted peace, dignity, love and what Jesus taught.
oh, thanks
regards
I am a muslim. I believe in Allah. Unto you your religion and unto me mine. I have never heard of the rationalization of 666 used in Islam or 19 or any of the other numbers in the initial post. For us on the outside (I am an African), it is very strange to see the “hatred” the American nation has toward Islam.
I pray that God gives us all the guidance we need and I pray that he forgives us for our shortcomings.
zayaan
Americans hate anyone who slaughters millions of innocent christians..
HIGH-SCHOOLERS TOLD CANNIBALISM ALLOWED in Egypt
http://endtimeheadlines.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/high-schoolers-told-cannibalism-allowed/
The Selling of Syria’s Refugee Child Brides
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/frank-crimi/the-selling-of-syrias-refugee-child-brides/
who the f published this garbage?
where are examples of islam being represented by an ‘x’ symbol? I dont think this is true. I have treid to search on google too, nothing. Also re the mark of the beast on foreheads and hands, seems you are confusing sikhs with muslims here or something. Head scarves cover the whole head mosty hair..no mark on forhead?
dear seeq
I was told by an ex-muslim that the X represents the cross swords of Islam.
this 666 may not be islam, it is just one possibility
Is it a possibility ? I think first of all we need to find out exactly how many ayats (not surats) there are in the Quran because different sources say different things. Again 666 is the wrong figure, it is a four digit number in fact . Also every fact u present should b researched before presenting..as a ‘possibility’ or argument,.because going off one ex Muslim does not seem enough. As far as I know there is no x symbol representing Islam if I’m wrong pls show me , yes I’m open to see it. So as it stands ur above pictures and proofs are invalid for me as yet. I think many people will read ur evidence and be very influenced by it thinking ur findings have been thoroughly researched. I am at age of 37 myself realising we all have to really start listening to each other and try to step outside of our boxes a while to find the truth, howeber much we love n wish to protect our box. I like debates but….. But … I do not agree with opening discussions based on heresay…
Anything is a possibility, in that case. I do not wish to b rude and give a similar example in return based on say what a neighbor told me.
Lets all find the truth together pls…and thoroughly research before stating things as fact X
dear seeq
I did research it. I wanted to know what the muslims thought about the 666.
But the sites I used were supposed to be muslim sites. I got the information from there. Also 2 ex muslims said the same thing about the crossed swords.
If this is wrong, then it is wrong. then I apologize
Hi marianne thank you. I will get back to you shortly about this issue of the cross symbol on that flag in more detail soon. this is the only place u will see such a cross swords symbol i believe but this symbol is something that came about later it was not a symbol for islam when it was born, neither did the prophet declare it to be associated with islam. i will send u a link explaining this far better than i am. this is the flag for a islamic court mentioned. the sikh symbol has two swords within it for certain, which is fine with me. Ps. Wikipedia says there are 6666 ayats in e Quran, not 666. As i said before its four digits not 3. There’s also conflicting info to wikipedias 6666 -about the amount of ayats so I am going to find out exactly how many there are. I am guessing this is what u were referring to when u said Muslims believe the number 666 to be holy and it to represent Allah / Islam and the Quran? Pls elaborate about that statement? with findings. Again I really don’t think is this is actually the case as far as I know.
dear seeq
the original muslim sites were
http://www.66619.org/666.htm
http://www.66619.org/thequran.htm
but now the sites no longer exist…….
maybe other muslims complained about the content?
The idea of Islam or Catholacism being the final beast to emerge on the scene in the Last Days, is really most absurd. For one thing the 4th beast of Dan 7 representing Rome as a totalitarian power (which it was at the height of its power), is also shown in the feet of iron and miry clay of Dan 2, to be in state of regression as an empire in the End Times. However, it has to be acknowledged, there is a continuous lineage of unbroken power, allbeit weakened, that’s associated with the iron (Rome), and one that runs from the legs through to the feet, then onto the toes of the image. Therefore, the Rome element is there in some form right up until the establishment of God’s kingdom. Likewise, we know that the miry clay (possibly Arabic/Semetic nations) introduces a new power mixed with the iron, thus creating a coalition/conglomeration of power. It’s the powers of Rome and possibly Arabic nations of Ps 83, who having been divided further into ten smaller kingdoms, then give their power over to the beast. Furthermore, the beast is controlled by the Harlot of Rev 17. If therefore, either Rome or Arabs give their power unto the beast, they can’t be the beast. It’s not possible for the subservient powers of Rome and Arabia, to be a dominant power at one and the same time.
The whole thing about Rome or Islam, (who have both been enemies of the Jews at one time or another), are the beast of Revelation is just a ‘red herring’, is nothing less than one of politics and propaganda. And who has a vested interest in promoting the propaganda ideology of these two view points..the Jews. Since the time of Oliver Cromwell, the Jews realised the power of exploiting sectarian situations, along with psychological warfare to win religous hearts and minds, as well as control its fanatacism by entrapment to its finance. Of course, Oliver Cromwell needed funds for his wars against the Catholics, and the Jews were only too willing to oblige. So, the Jews and Oliver Cromwell became partners of convenience, with Cromwell ingratiating himself with the Jews for their money, and equally the Jews with Cromwell, in order to exact revenge on Catholacism. True to the prophecy of Dan 2, Catholacism has been weakened and is currently quite passive compared to its former position as a totalitarian empire. Likewise, we currently have the same thing happening to the Islamic enemies of Israel, where the hearts and minds of Protestant and Catholic West, have been corrupted into believing that Islam is now the beast, so that the stupid ‘goy’ engages in warfare on behalf of the Zionists, in return for the supply of their credit finance. This propaganda is nothing less than a smoke screen for the real beast..i.e. Israel! In the main, the world has become a worshipper of the beast!
Some say: so how can Israel be the beast, if the beast is going to attack Israel. The beast doesn’t attack Israel, it’s the ten kingdoms of iron and miry clay who attack Israel. Yes, the Rome and Islamic parts of the beast system, into which they have been absorbed by giving their power unto the beast, is not the same as The Beast of Rev 12;13; & 17. This final beast has seven heads and ten horns, therefore, this beast is not one of the seven heads or ten horns..it is the eighth carrying the seven heads and ten horns amongst which are the subdued powers of Rome and Islam. However, the iron and miry clay powers conspire against the Harlot, or the controlling element of the eigth beast..Jerusalem the unfaithful wife of God..Isa 1:21 ref: harlot! Israel is the fig tree that was cursed by Jesus, and has revived just as Jesus said they would in the parable of the fig tree shooting forth its leaves again Math 24:32. Again in Rev 13:12 where the beast’s deadly wound is healed or revived, is the same description as that of the cursed/wounded fig tree that comes alive again at the End of Days. The bible is Israel-centric, and only Israel fits the description of that which has revived in a remarkable way as shown by bible prophecy.
In addition, we have Ezek 21:25-27, where the prophecy is about the final removal of the kings of Israel. In this particular incident it involves king Zedekiah, however, it also has a future application when the removal of a profane wicked prince (man of sin) will result in the iniquity of Israel being totally eradicated. The iniquity that has an end, can only be achieved when Jesus returns to overthrow verse 25 “..thou profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end”.
There are many other references, and varying angles to prove this to be true where the Israel that now is, is not the Israel of God. Howvere, it remains true that the Israel that now is, is still the Israel that God wants to save, and He will..but only a small remnant of the unfaithful wife will return to God. We earnestly pray that the hearts of Israel will one again return to the faith of their Fathers: Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob.
dear truth
Israel was promised by God to return to the land, and never be removed from there again.
Eze 21 is about Israel before the babylonian captivity, not the end times. yes, Israel was punished
Israel is represented by the woman in Rev 12, with 12 moons under her feet.
god has her flee to the wilderness for protection when the beast attacks her. So she cannot be the beast. the beast will not attack itself.
the catholic church has a long pagan history, and is filled with satanic rituals in the vatican. the jesuits control the world, not the jews.
After centuries of persecution by the catholics, it is understandable that the jews would pay to remove its influence from their lives.
Ezek 38-39 describe the end time invasion of Israel by opposing forces…..Israel wins, and is not destroyed.
Hi Marianne,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, as I spend a fair amount of time debating points of scripture with several other people.
I have to agree with you, that the Jews have returned to their historical homeland in fulfillment of bible prophecy.
I would agree with you about Ezek 21 to a point (ref to Babylon), but the main burden of the passage is about (1) three overturnings of Jerusalem; (2) the Crown not returning to Israel until he comes who right it is..Jesus Christ; (3) then verse 25 “And thou profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end”. Yes, to some extent Israel’s iniquity in part, had it’s first end with the removal of king Zedekiah. However, we know also that Israel’s iniquity continued through to Christ’s day, when other wicked princes of Israel murdered the Son of God. Shortly after the Lord went to heaven, AD 70 occured when Titus sacked the city of Jerusalem, where we observe that iniquity again was brought to an end.
The time of Jacob’s trouble in Dan 12, will be when Israel once again has it’s iniquity removed. As before, the wicked prince/s will arise again in the land of Israel, only to be removed once and for all time.
Again in Dan 9:24 “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression (ref Ezek 21:25-27), and to make an end of sins, and to make recociliation for INIQUITY, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and seal up the vision and the prophecy, and to annoint the most Holy”. Iniquity will not end in Israel until he comes whose right it is, and Jesus will not come to the house of Israel until they (the leprous house) have repented of their sins.
As for the woman of Rev 12 representing Israel, yes, that is the Israel of God, whose mother is Sarah Gal 4. The Israel that now is which the apostle Paul also tells us about in Gal 4:23-31, pertains to Hagar and is the woman of Rev 17 i.e. the unfaithful wife of God who has become a beast that stands against the gospel. The woman of Rev 12, is when a remnant of Israel who turn back to the faith of their fathers and accept the gospel, are about to be delivered by being reborn in Christ. The emnity between the serpent power of the woman in Rev 17, and the woman about to be delivered in Rev 12, is in the words of Gal 4:29 “But as then he that was born after the flesh (alluding to natural Israel who killed the prophets) persecuted him that was born after the spirit (Gal 3:7 children of faith in the gospel who accepted the prophets), even so it is now”.
The Jesuits do not control the world. There is so much historical evidence to show that the Zionists control the world, and its finances. There are a number of historians who have slavishly gone in pursuit of the facts concerning this truth, that the Zionists control the world. There are communications of one kind or another that have been intercepted; historians; politicians; clergy; journalists; who have closely observed the Zionist agenda, have either made offficial statements or written books on the subject etc etc. Even ex Zionists such as Morgan Freedman have spoken out. I had a Zionist admit to me not long ago, that the Zionist agenda has caused almost all of the financial problems in modern history. What he didn’t know is I have historical records that shows the Jews having been behind many financial crimes going back centuries, and in some cases milenia! Your Zionist masters who run American politics are in league with all other Zionists around the world, and have been for a very long time!!!
You say that Israel is attacked by her enemies, and Israel wins. Well, Israel loses badly in her time of trouble. It’s only when Israel cries out to God, and is reborn as a Christian nation she wins against her enemies, but only she is living in peace after accepting Christ.
The thing is you are patronising a nation that God doesn’t recognise, whilst she remains in her sin of unbelief. That’s why Israel will have to suffer. You only like to indulge in smooth words concerning the nation of Israel, unlike the genuine prophets of old who told Israel the truth, but who did not want to hear it..mudering the Christ for telling them they were the children of the devil because of unbelief. It makes me wonder what sort of truth you represent, when you side with their unbelief!
Trutt,
I was following You Up until your “anti zionism” shows up. You have taken a group of “illuminati”, or elites, and have ascribed a racial element to them. Though there are Jewish people within this group, they are not all Jewish. In fact, the plan of this Illuminati group is to have Islam and Israel destroy each other. See Zech. 12 1-9. This then leads to their repentence. 12:10- 13:9. Then comes the war of armageddon (chapter 14).
Marianne is not patronizing a nation that God doesn’t recognize. She is saying that if the U.S. gos to war against her they will be destroyed. Because God does not break his promise which he made with David, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That would be making God a liar.
Dear dru,
The only Zionism the bible recognises is that of Christ reigning from Mount Zion, and one which I too believe in and boast about, as opposed to the blasphemous version of Zionism, attributed to a corrupt and perverse group of people (whoever they are), who presume an association with biblical Zionism based on nationalism; in this case the Israel that now is. The Isarel that now is, who do not recognise the bible’s version of Zionism based on the gospel, are the anti Christ whose end will be determined in Israel’s “time of trouble”. And not only Israel, but all who worship the anti-Christ beast..i.e. the persecutor!!! The Israel that now is i.e. the one that the apostle Paul mentions in Galatians chapter 4, (as the allegory shows) is the persecutor of Christ, and those who belong to the Isarel that’s from above. The persecutor (unbelieving Israel) is the harlot of Rev 17 who will rise again to persecute the witnesses to the true Israel (Rev 11: 7-8) “And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the botttomless pit (unbelieving persecting Israel) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which is spiritually called Sodom (Isa 1:10) and Egypt (Ezek 23:8), where also our Lord was crucified (Jeruslaem)”. It’s the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit (above) that persecutes the witnesses, and where, in Jeruslaem..well well!!!
Yes, I am anti anything that does not recognise the true Zionism concerning the kindom of God, with Christ as its king, as were the prophets, and God too! The apostle Paul himself, was once zealous for a Zionism that did not recognise the gospel Christ (Mariannes Zionism), but he repented of that former zeal that persecuted the true Zionism which is from above, and so should you by the sound of things..you are in serious error of the scriptures.
truth
Ok, that is the way you feel, but i do not agree, for the reasons I gave.
I can think of worse candidates for the whore and the beast than Israel, like modern christianity and Islam which has been persecuting and killing Jews for 1500-2000 years.
T—h,
I couldn’t bring myself to call you truth, since their is none in you. You are deceived my friend about what Yah is doing. Not all of Israel is of Israel, but they are and always will be His people. If you cannot accept that and understand that, I believe you will find that you are fighting against the Elohim you say you are talking for. Get some wisdom and understanding and put down the poison that you are filling your mind with!
Your writting from memory, and it is causing you to be way off.
The beast out of the bottomless pit murders the two witnessess, not unbelieving Israel. Their bodies lie in the street 3.5 days, then G-d brings them to life, and to heaven.
Afterwards, 144,000 Jewish virgin males are sealed with the mark of G-d. Then, the bowel judgements on the unbelieving world system.
Cool?
truth
god still recognizes Israel, because he has an eternal covenant with it
Your view is antisemitic,even though you express sincerity. because of a handful of jews, maybe a few families mimixed into the larger mass of illuminati, you have decided to categorize all jews as illuminati…which you have labeled zionists. Most jews do not have all the money and power you think they do.
zionism is not bad. god is a zionist, and promised the return of the jews to Israel long ago. that land is theirs forever, and will never be taken away from them. others are allowed to live there, as long as Israel is allowed there too.
there is a lot of hate media, describing zionism as an evil plot. I look at the motives and the source of the commentaries, and discard it due to bias and hatred for jews.
Here is what John MacArthur says regarding the aforementioned passage. Though I do not agree with everything he says here, He has written over a hundred volumes of commentary on the Word of God. You will not see anti zionism anywhere therein.
To some who discuss Israel and her ‘sins’… remember to factor in
Isaiah 6:10-13 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.’ The prophecy is hugely important when descibing/explaining the actions of Israel at/from the First Coming to the Second Coming.
The ‘blinding’ did not allow them to recognize Elias (John the Baptist) as forerunner and therefore to know Jesus was Messiah. Thus they said, ‘Give us Barabas.’…….all according to God’s plan. Jesus came to die. The plan was perfect. He died the death he was prepared for and he died at the hands of those prepared for the deed. The events in the Middle East and around the world (ten lost Tribes are very present in America and around the globe) remains directly related to Isaiah’s prophecy. (Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.’
These blinded of Israel, by God’s own hand for His own purposes, as well as the seven thousand ( meaning the number is known only to God) left to come by Grace are all part of the current day mix of events around the world. How dangerous to accuse, judge, or reject these ‘blinded’ of Israel when the same covenant remnant has their blinders removed at the preaching of Elias (one of the two witnesses of Revelations chapter 11) and become fully restored. With the ‘blinders/deafeners’ removed, they acknowledge Messiah and give ‘glory to the God of Heaven.’
Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
As one would assume by my username, Internet Elias, the subject is near and dear to my heart. My blogsite is based on the inspiration taken from the beautiful and powerful relationship between Christ and forerunner Elias.
Hi Internet Elias,
Over a period of time I have read a number of your posts, and have found them both interesting as well as stimulating. I’m not saying I agree on every detail of your posts, but at the same time I have found a lot of what you say very helpful. Of course, it is true that the nation of Israel has been blinded, and their hearts have been hardened too, however, this does not negate their responsibility in matters of faith. The apostle Paul expresses sorrow for the Jews in Rom 9:6-13 “…For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children (John 8:44): but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh (Rom 2: 28-29 + Gal 3 & 4), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, That the elder shall serve the younger. As it is written Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”. Rom 9:27 “Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved”. Rom 9: 31-32 “But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the by the works of the law. For they stumbled at tat stumblingstone.” Israel continues to stumble with the idea that Zionism is one of politics, and can be achieved as a legal right, rather than one of faith. So called Christians who ought to know better, do the same, and in so doing drag all who would be the true heirs of Zionism by faith, into condemnation as children of Hagar along with unbelieving Israel.
It’s very unfortunate that some, whether Christian or Muslim interpret God’s condemnation of the Jews, as an invitation to act agressively towards them, rather than an invitation to pray for them instead. I have no desire to see any harm come upon Israel, and I for one pray that the spirit of God will return to that nation. However, only when a remnant accept Christ, will they become the centre of government in a Christian world, where king Jesus is honoured, and God is glorified, as opposed to the Israel which currently blasphemes the very meaning of being a Jew i.e. one who is a Jew by faith in Christ as was Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob, all of whom were Christains in prospect.
Indeed, we have no need to judge Israel’s sins, as all such sins are openly paraded throughout the scriptures, in an endless procession of one indictment after another, as an expos’e of Israel’s rebellion for our benefit, thus showing us how not to behave. We would do well not to adopt liberal mindedness regarding the meaning of Zionism, thereby attributing its meaning to profane and insane ideolgy, thereby relegating its pure application to Christ’s rule, to that of belonging to unbelieving devils, and in so doing take all of its meaning in vain!
Where you are deluded my brother, is in believing that Israel would ever accept Christianity for themselves. All of the torture the Jews endured at the hands of the christian church, while in the diaspora, to convert or die (kind of sounds like Islam-don’t you think?), failed miserably. Even if they tried to convert, the stench of paganism that is firmly embedded in christian theology, was so onerous to them, they would end up choosing torture and death over conversion. Today, the messianic Jews understand the Christians (Ephraim) to be their brothers, but still living in pagaism=lawlessness (as they have since the days of Jereboam). The messianic Jews accept the christians, by in large, but refuse their pagan ways. In the end, much to the disdain of christianity, it is the christian church that will convert, though when the time comes, they will rejoice to undertand “the truth”! (Sorry, couldn’t resist)
Dear Al,
Sorry for the delay in replying to your post.
First and foremost, I agree with you that the Jews in the main will not accept Christianity, and not only the Jews but the whole world by enlarge do not accept Christianity either..most will be lost and will die in their sins for not having accepted Christianity..i.e. the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour! But we are only talking about this side of Christ’s return. The whole thrust of the bible’s message, is that God will be glorified in the whole earth, with the Jewish nation having accepted Christ being at the centre of the God’s government, and Jesus reigning from mount Zion. It will not only be a conversion of the Jews to Christianity, but indeed the whole world. Rom 11:15 “For if the casting away of them (Jews) be the recociling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be (repentance), but life from the dead?” The establishment of Zion’s holy hill in the earth requires firstly, that the Jews as a nation repent of their national sin in murdering the Son of God. The ‘Truth’ is, this will not happen easily as you have indicated!
I would also agree with you that, (and no thanks to Constantine) there is much error in Christian theology, i.e. where popular Christendom is concerned. Indeed, both cults of Constantine and Muhamed have each played their part in that error, with both religions adopting paganism into their system of worship, especially where mystery religion is concerned, thus fostering apostacy. Each of these religions have been put forward as possible candidates for the harlot or beast of Revelation, and it’s very easy to conclude that such a theory is true, but there is no biblical precedent or pedigree for that to be the case, and as such it is purely conjecture. Whilst God has a problem with the whole of mankind “for all have sinned”, the simple fact remains that Israel was chosen to be the wife of God, and she alone (as a precedent) has played the harlot.
As for the two main cults of Christendom and Muhamedism, having persecuted the Jews, this is true, and it’s not one I condone. However, God tells us throughout the scriptures, that the Jews would suffer for their disobedience..Deut 28 for example. I don’t see God’s condemnation of His people as an invitation to persecute the Jews either, but rather I see it as an invitation to pray for them instead. However, it is God who has seen fit to raise up people; institutions; armies; empires; to punish the Jews, and He will do so again in their coming “time of trouble”. If they, or anyone else for that matter is so concerned for the Jews, then remind them why (as did the prophets), rather than patronise them. If the justice system of the USA, was patronising criminals for their wrongdoing, there would be an outcry amongst the general populace, and many would lose faith in the criminal justice system. So, why should it be any less so with God, where the terms of His covenant relationship with Israel are concerned! Are we above God to say He is wrong, because if we patronise Israel for presuming they are Jews, (as well as their disobedience for not accepting the gospel as Abraham did), when the definition of being a Jew is based upon faith, and faith alone, then we find ourselves usurping God’s authority in the matter of who is a Jew or not!
There are only two classes of Jew i.e. the Abrahamic Jew by virtue of faith (genealogy of faith includes Rahab and Ruth), and the disobedient unbelieving Jew whose father is the devil (John 8:44), and we too have the choice to join either one..and therin lies Al the ‘Truth’! Couldn’ t resist that one either!
Dear ——,
I would address this to you personally, but still don’t know your name. Your last paragraph above is true for all of mankind. No one will ever find salvation based strictly on their ethnicity. It is through faith and obedience that we find our place in the ultimate freedom that Messiah has prepared for us, so, on that basis I can say with you, “therein lies the Truth”.
Be Blessed
Individual Jews accept salvation through the Father, Son and Holy Spirit quite often and turn to having a personal relationship with God whom all things come from. No one, not even God ever said that whole nations of persons will believe until the end. It has always been on an individual basis. The Bible is full of scriptures where there have been believing and obedient people living among non-believers and non-believers or believers who are disobedient. Take David for instance; he was a believer, a true prophet, obedient to God in many ways, fought for God when God commanded it, wrote most of the Psalms, raised the money to build the Temple, but God punished David for his wrongdoings by not letting him actually build the Temple. God let his son Samuel build the Holy Temple. God made us as individuals with souls, hearts and minds so that He could know true of our independently chosing to love and obey Him. If He made us to blindly obey then where would the love for Him be? God is Love. God is Creation and Creator. God has always been and always will be. But being an entity of love, wants also to be truly loved by choice. When Jesus the Christ does come physically back to us for all to see Him once again in the flesh, individual Jews and anyone else who choses salvation will be saved. But any individual who still rejects the Messiah or salvation, will not have eternal life with God in Heaven. That goes for the Muhammad worshippers who refuse to acknowledge that even though they believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, healed the blind and crippled, raised the dead and accended into heaven they still chose to think he is just a prophet. While believing in Muhammad who did not qualify in any to be a prophet. They also need to acknowledge that they really disregard the Bible because the Book of Revelations that was written by the Apostle John within his lifetime clearly states that the Bible is the final Word and that there is no other prophecy to come. Jesus stated that the Holy Spririt will be with us until He returns but there is no mention anywhere in the Bible that there would be another prophet as some Muslims erroneously believe due to blindly believing the lies of their leaders.
So, of course Jews will be saved. Many will not. It has always been that way since the Messiah was physically, visually here. Some Jews just believe like others, that Jesus was a teacher or prophet but that He was not the Messiah that some of them expected to lift them out of their persecutions. Most Jews and Christians have worked out our differences, forgiven each other for historical atrocities and have learned to appreciate the shared values and love between us.
Muslims on the other hand, like the writtings of their books, want us all to follow Muhammad or they want to murder us. It says in the quran that peace will only come when everyone is converted to Islam or dead. That goes without saying that they have in the name of their idealogy murdered estimated as much as 270milllion people since Muhammad’s first caravan raid into modern times. Just ask all the Buddists, Hindus, Sikhs, B’hai, Pagans, Jews and Christians throughout secular and religious history. To mention also the world slave trade that Islam and Muslims started 1400 years ago and still goes on to this day. This Islam is no religion from God. Many people don’t know but many people are now learning about the vast slave trade that continues with Islam’s blessings. “Beautiful” Dubai is mostly build on the backs of slaves. All nations have a slave history to atone for but the nations that are Islamic have a very large slave present. Muslims prefer the mindset and culture of 1400 years ago but other religions and other nations have all moved past the mentality of the Dark Ages. Muslims like to look modern in their buildings and structures but they are still, to the core, of the same mindset that build Islam in the mind of Muhammad and his followers that took his writtings and over 150 years or so arranged, rewrote, embellished and changed much of the writings he had his scribes record form him. Before the actual compilers or editors of the books of Islam, Muhammad’s words were just a bunch of writings that were never put into comprehensive books until they came along and did their “editings”. Most Muslims are not allowed to know any of the origins or history of their idealogy. But ignorance is not bliss. It is deadly.
the problem with christendom is that people could lie repeatedly and say whatever it is they want to say, as long as it is against islam nobody will have any problem with that. this was probably written by a junky, who has absolutely no clue about the preffered numbers in islam, but because christendom encourages people to lie and destroy islam he came up with some ridiculous claims, even christians who have little knowledge of islam would know its pure trash. the most preffered numbers in islam are odd numbers. please good people write to enlighten others and not to get cheap popularity. am very sorry, but i must say u re an idiot. shame on you.
dear suleiman
I gave the references for the source of information on 666.
1. the website
2. also I heard a lecture by an ex-muslim who said the same thing. this was confirmed by a second ex-muslim that I know.
so I would not just make up a lie. I researched it and found this information out there, and just presented it.
people are welcome to debate the topic, and opposing views are accepted.
Dear suleiman,
666 has nothing to do with Islam..it’s a ‘red herring’! It has been put forward by those who are desperate to steer our attention away from the real beast i.e. that is those who are associated with their father the devil (John’s gospel chapetr 8:44). You only have to look at waht Moses said about the Jews, which has implications for the last days. Read Deuteronomy 31: 27 and 29 “For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how MUCH MORE AFTER MY DEATH?….For I know that after my death ye will utterly (totally) corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the LATTER DAYS; (why) because ye will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger through the WORK OF YOUR HANDS”.
In the last days the Jews will be doing evil work with their hands. Everything that unbelieving Israel will do in the last days, will be be evil. What part of evil people don’t get, I’m not sure! And furthermore, to patronise the very people of whom God condemns for their evil ways, make me wonder whose side they are on? I for one wouldn’t want to be on the side of evil!!!
israel does not have a monopoly on evil
every country is like this now.
Well, you obviously ignore the simple fact that the word of God, says very different concerning unbelieving Israel in the last days. Whilst Israel is not the only nation to engage in evil deeds, they are cited as the chief manifestation of evil to come upon the world in the end times.
Israel in the main has historically proven herself to be the source of unbelief, and resultant wickedness as a consequence of that unbelief. This example of wantonly wicked lifestyle, serves as a warning to all others not to make the same wrong choices. As a proprietary nation under God, she was chosen to be a holy nation, through whom God had wished to mainfest His glory, but unbelieving Israel would have none of it, an unbelief that will reach its apex in the last days, as the prophet Moses has declared it will. Moses talking about Israel in the last days (Deut 31:29) foretold of their evil and how they would utterly corrupt themselves. The bible through Moses, has told us that the nation of Israel, will become totally defiled in the last days (as if they haven’t done enough to provoke God already), and cause others to be defiled by her whoredoms.
So, whilst it is true that God has an issue with all nations, the one nation he has the biggest issue with, is Israel. When Christ returns as the stone cut out without hands to strike the image at its feet, it will also strike that which is supporting the image i.e. the whore/Israel. The harlot/unrepentant Israel (under the law) has been re-established in the land to be stoned in the day of her judgement. Unbelieving Israel is currently waiting on death-row for Christ to cast the first stone. This is why we need to be telling Israel the truth of her wretched condition..that’s if you or I truly love her!
You really don’t have a clue whay you are talking about, and you are leading others astray from the truth!
give verses, book, chapter and verse that describes Israel as the chief manifestation of evil to come IN THE LAST DAYS.
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most criticism of Israel was for ancient times. God said he would return Israel to the land with a new heart, so I would like to see where he contradicted himself.
Deut 31:29 is not sufficient. It mostly describes ISrael after the death of Moses. In the latter days, evil would befall Israel…this is called Jacob’s trouble, according to Daniel, but it does not say Israel alone or mainly would do evil.
the whole world would be evil by then, but acc to Daniel and the book of revelation, Israel is preserved due to its covenant and relationship with god, not destroyed , like the evil nations that attack her.
in fact, God promises to destroy all nations that come against ISrael.
you truly seem to hate Israel…..so you will have God’s wrath upon you when it comes, unless you change your attitude.
Am I right in understanding that you think Israel is presently acting evilly? They were called to return to Israel according to the Bible, so they did. The county was a wasteland until they came back and now they supply most of the flowers and many of the fruits and vegetables for Europe. They have more college degrees and nobel & other science prizes per capita than any other nation. They looked to me to be very blessed by God. They are constantly under attack but are never the original aggressor. They offered full citizenship with full rights to anyone who was there when they were granted re-nationhood by international treaty. Those that had to be put out were only those who refused to live peacefully under the Israeli flag. They keep giving away land for peace and continually get attacked still. They are not persecuting non-Jews in their land only keeping out or prosecuting persons who want to attack the country from within. Why would you say they are acting evil? I don’t understand.
In the quran, it may say that Jews will be doing evil, but that is not written in the Bible, nor does any other religion preach it. When are Muslims going to own up to the fact that Muhammad and all of Islam always did and ever will go against the Bible, Jesus the Messiah and everything He ever taught? Muhammad gave his version of Jesus, which is contradictory to all of the prophecies leading up to His coming down to earth from Heaven, goes against all that Jesus, HIs Holy Father and what the Holy Spirit says about Jesus in the Bible.
Christians and Jews are encouraged to read all of the secular accounts of their origins and history. They are encouraged to weigh what has been said of their prospective religions, which makes our faiths much stronger in the long run. Muslims are discouraged and lied to about their origins and history and told to never look around and open their minds. They are given outright false accounts of other faiths and believe it all blindly. The hate grows in Islam. They actually teach hate for Jews in childrens schools and on childrens television. The brainwashing begins early in Islam. Muhammad was jealous of the Jew because they would not accept him as a prophet like he wanted them too. He gave them no good reason to accept him as a prophet. So, he started his own religion, murdered and robbed everyone around himself to fund and spread by looting, robbing, force conversion or slaughter whole towns of people who didn’t believe him. There has never been a more hateful idealogy in the history of the world. I have studied world history and religious history extensively, both secular and religious, both for and against many religions. The proof is in the actions of Muslims for 1400 years. The proof is in the pre-Muhammad pagan Arab world religious history that Islam mimicks. Ever read the “Satanic Verses” that were written by Muhammad? Modern Muslims like to hide all of the mistakes of Muhammad and his followers and want to put out a “fatwa” Muslim Mafia-style murder contract on anyone who mentions Muhammad’s own condemning words or their own condemning actions. The rest of the world has news for Muslims: Martyrdom does not and never did include taking the lives of others. What Muslims are speaking about is one who is a warrior for their cause. The word Martyr has always meant throughout history and now that a person is murdered for witnessing their faith or someone who places themselves in harms way in order to direct save others, such as jumping in front of another person to block a bullet for them. Not for blowing themselves up while murdering innocent bystanders. Muslims have misinterpreted the term of Martyr and the whole rest of the world knows the meaning of the world but Muslims who blindly and ignorantly believe what their Imams tell them.
Even Muhammad had written early on that Jews were God’s chosen people. But his feelings were hurt when they knew he was not a prophet. He had absolutely not one qualification of what is required of a prophet of God. Not one. His actions after the continuous rejections prove that he was either inspired by demons or an opportunistic schizophrenic megalomaniac. Remember I had had an open enough mind to fully read the quran, haddiths, suras and to read pro-Islam books. But in the interest of never being ignorant and blind to information, I also looked into the secular history of Muhammad and the idealogy that grew out of his teachings and commands and the way that he led his life. If you can’t look at your religion objectively and it won’t stand up to scrutiny, you had better look towards God and pray for real answers.
Jews and Christians do not hate Islam. Just the actions that Muslims do while they are hating us. Go search. Go pray to God and you will find much better answers and possibly save your soul from a hatefilled life and eternal damnation. I will pray for you even when you hate me so much that it has twisted your heart.
Hi Lyn Marie,
Ok, so militant religions whether they be Islamic or Christian, have each had their part to play in persecuting the Jews. It’s true that the Jews have suffered greatly at the hands of such fanatics of hatred, but why? Israel was chosen to be the vessel whereby God would be glorified amongst the heathen nations, but unbelieving Israel decided instead to go the way of the heathen, and not to obey God. In Deut 28, we have the blessings that Israel would receive for their undivided loyalty to God, and cursings for their disobedience.
Ok, so militant Islam and Christianity has been responsible for countless millions of deaths, but so have the Jews. I could spend many hours on this site, showing you the hard facts about the misdeeds of the Jews. The Rothschild’s; the Montiefiore’s; the Sasoon’s; Goldman Sachs; etc etc, as well as numerous historical quotes from all kinds of people (including Rabbis), that clearly shows that many Jews have been involved in the worst of mans inhumanity to man, and even worse they still do.
Moses has told us that evil will reach its pinnacle in the last days, with Israel as the instigator of that evil (Deut 32:29). It would be impossible to state all of the connections amongst the political Zionists, and the perversity of their actions in this post, but one thing is for sure it is being noticed, and not least because God has forewarned us this will happen!
All it takes (in the first instance) are a few peverse people to corrupt the majority. It has always been that way throughout history, whether it was the Tetrarchy nobility; Hitler; Mussolini; Pol Pot; and last but not least the serpent! The serpent power of Israel has risen from the bottomless pit, to hiss and spit its venom of unbelief once again in the last days, all supported by those whose idea of Zionism is based on secularism, and a presumtion that they are Jews with a right to the promises without faith. Read Roman 2 and 9, and Gal 3 & 4 for starters and see who the land of Israel belongs to. Israel belongs to Christ, and those who are Abraham’s children by faith in the gospel. It’s going to be a very rude awakening for secular Israel, when God’s anger is so provoked towards them for the evil they will be guity of in the last days, leaving very few of natural Israel alive! Then the world will see what God thinks of those who dare to call themselves Jews, and yet who profane the very meaning of being a Jew i.e. inwardly as Abraham was!!!
The “truth”,
You really haven’t thought this through. Would you like some time to take a serious look at your vastly populated, unbelieving, pagan greedy, corrupt, somewhat decadent and ultimately self-destructive nation, whom by most part honour Christ with their lips, but with hearts far removed from him; before daring to disparage a small flock of people, who are no less guilty in their unbelief than that of nation who also have the audacity to claim divine favour?, even after having slaughtered many millions of innocent people.
Sorry America (and Britain), your arrogance and delusion is coming home to roost. it’s all so very simple: You reap what you sow; so it does not come as a surprise that Israel is flourishing, because in their unbelief exists a moral fibre and industriousness conducive to a level of financial and social stability..and yes, they too slaughtered many innocent people in the establishment of their nation.
By contrast, a so-called blessed believing nation supposedly built on Biblical principles is falling apart…and it’s all the Government’s fault: right! Well instead of relying on divine favour and earthling man, try getting real by learning the basics of scripture, and know as individuals you are accountable; and stop using all manner of pretexts to by-pass the only way…the narrow way into the kingdom of God.
God favours only one nation….the worldwide body of believers in Christ.
Get your own house in order…and while you are at it, get out of Babylon, before you even dare point the finger of unbelief at others!
Blessings.
truth
you have no truth in you.
it is people like you who have persecuted Jews for centuries.
what religion are you?
atheist or muslim?
you are not christian……
You add “truth” with error, mix it with hate, and come out with your half-baked ideas. You are clever with words but have deceived yourself, having no understanding. If it were just error we were dealing with, there would be a reason to continue speaking with you. But you are consumed by “virulent” hate that originates not in scripture, but rather in your demented mind that has been poisoned by the evil one. May Yah bring you to your rightful end, be it into repentence or doom, since it is in your hands. I shake the dust off with all of this! My hope is you make the right choice, but if not, it will be of your own doing!
Sorry Al, did not mean to butt in…you posted while I was writing.
Blessings.
Al
to whom are you speaking?
Sorry Marianne, it was addressed to un-“truth”.
Richard, as always eloquent. You are always interesting to read!
To all here,
Perhaps everyone could take a moment or two to read and consider the following links.
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/writers/GG/the-hebrew-roots-cult.htm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/writers/GG/the-hebrew-roots-cult-part-2.htm
As well as Isaiah chapter 28 below, (provided here for your convenience).
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=28&v=1&t=KJV#top
Be Blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach our Most Holy and Precious Savior.
Amen.
Hey,DJ,
I think you should read the links which accepted posted above. I am not trying to attack you, only that you should be fully informed. You have to read both parts.
blessings.
Well well well! Now that most of you have perhaps had time to sober up from your harlot intoxications, and revived from a venom induced delerium responsible for your Jerusalem fever, I will address the errors you have propounded as a result of a version of the ‘truth’, which can only be attributed to that of magicians and soothsayers!
Marianne would like to have chapter and verse..spoilt for choice really!
First and foremost though, I would like to clarify my both my position towards, as well as concern for unbelieving Israel. Almighty God desires to save the Jews, (by Jews I mean natural Israel), and He will do so with a mighty hand. God remembers the Jews for the sake of their fathers i.e. Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob (who were the faithful ones), and we too remember natural Israel in our prayers for the Jewish people, in the knowledge (Ezek 36: 21-38) that they who continue in unbelief will become believers, allbeit only a remnant. However, whilst our Christian duty and empathy compells us to pray for Israel, neither do we patronise or condone their present status of unbelief. The fact that God has brought the Jews back to their historical homeland, has no bearing on the character of the people. The fig tree that was cursed (unbelieving Israel) and which has revived, is paralleled by the head that was mortally wounded and has revived! God does not do this for their sakes, rather He has performed what He has foreordained concerning the Jewish people, for His holy names sake. It is God’s express intention to be glorified in the nation of Israel, but until that happens, God has some very unsavoury things to say about unbelieving Israel, concerning both their past and present condition; a condition that will persist and evolve until they are humbled (Dan 12), when finally iniquity shall have an end (Ezek 21:25; Dan 9:24.
Jesus said in Luke 13:35 that the Jews would not see him again until they say “blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord”. Therefore, the Revelation of Christ will only occur when the Jews cry out to God for a Saviour. The reason the Jews will cry out for deliverence, is because God will cause the nation of Israel, to be overtakaken by calamity for their persitent unbelief. It’s this unbelief that must be removed before God cleanses Israel, and sets up their kingdom over which David will be their shepherd king, as well as ruler of the entire world.
When Stephen argues with the Sanhedrin (Acts 7), that the Pharisees and Jewish nobility weren’t the true Israel, he challenged the popular understanding of themselves as God’s chosen people (the same understanding that you have), as well as who really was the true assembly. Both John the baptist and Jesus forwarded the same argument Math 3:7 “O generation of vipers”, where generation means progeny or family offspring, and Math 23:33 “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell”. This is the precedent for unbelieving Israel being the serpent power of Rev 12:9. The main thrust of Stephen’s argument was that those who claim to be the people of God, in the main had never been the people of God, and would continue in the same vain thinking, until a remedy could be found to change their hearts. As such Stephen was seen as a troubler of Israel, and in today’s world he like Elijah, would have been branded anti-semetic by the Anti Defemation Leauge, and its anti-Christ disciples!!! Stephen’s argument is timeless, with as much application to present day Israel, as it did back then! Included in the argument, was the fact that even Abraham had once been a Gentile living in a pagan world. Abraham only became a Jew because he beleived God, and accepted the call of the gospel of Christ. Thus Abraham through odedience, established a precedent for all who would classify themselves as Jews, wherby any deviation from the terms of the covenant of faith, would relegate one’s privelleged status as being a Jew, to that of Abraham’s former position of being a pagan!
The apostle Paul takes Stephen’s argument still further in his letters to the Romans and Galations, in an attempt to build a more comprehensive picture of who or what defines a Jew. Chiefly Romans chapters 2; 3; & 9, also Galations chapters 3 & 4.
As for Israel only being guilty of erronous behaviour in its distant past, then we really do delude ourselves, if that’s what we believe. The bible says very different. Again, I would reiterate that, this is the very reason we need to pray for the nation of Israel.
Moses talking of Israel corrupting themselves in the last days in Deut 31:29 “…evil will befall you in the latter days; BECAUSE ye will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands”. In Deut chapter 4, God tells the Jews to obey His voice, however, BECAUSE they will not..verse 30 “When thou art in tribulation (Dan 12), and all these things come upon thee, even in the latter days…” If we read on down into Deut 4, we see that when the Jews do eventually turn to God, He will intervene. It is in Israel’s time of peace and safety (1 Thes 5: 2-3) that God will bring the Jews into judgement, who having procured political peace through their own pragmatic efforts, rather than trusting in God to establish true peace by accepting Christ, they will realise their folly when it all goes horribly wrong for them
. In Dan 2, we have Nebuchadnezzar’s dream..verse 28 “..what shall be in the latter days…”. When Christ returns he is the stone that will smite the image at the feet in the latter days. The image of the beast is standing upon the land of Israel, as representing the Gentile nature of her unbelief, also desribed as the harlot in Rev 17; Hosea 4:15; Isa 1:21. Israel has assumed the nature of other Gentile/pagan nations in both her past and present conditions eg Isa 1:10; Ezek 23: 3 & 8; Rev 11:8.
You are not doing Israel any favours by venerating her unbelief, and so condone her harlotry, in what appears to be an ecstatic display of misplaced euphoria, as was evidenced in 1 Kins 18: 26-28!
dear untruth
so where did you copy and paste all that slanted information from?
I still think you are muslim…and this would explain your selective scripture presentation.
Currently, Israel is the most righteous nation on earth.
It is obvious you have never been there, or met the people.
While Israel may fall to evil in the last days, it has not gotten to that point yet, and so there is no reason to condemn innocent Jews for something that a few may do wrong in the future.
There are liberals in Israel, like in the rest of the world, but most Jews are devout, religious, kind, and decent people.
There is no way Israel could ever surpass all the millions of murders committed by both Islam and Christianity in the name of their religions.
No matter how much “evil” Israel may commit in the future, the other nations will be considered more evil in the sight of God.
In fact, God also promises to destroy all who come against Israel in the last days, as they are still his people, and his covenant to protect them is an everlasting covenant.
So, Israel may go through tribulation to purify it, but it will still stand, and other nations will be mostly destroyed for their everlasting hatred of Israel.
Hey “truth”,
If it is any consolation to you whatsoever, I believe that I understand where you are coming from. Your position and heart has nothing to do with anti-Semitism at all, but is rather from your hermeneutics.
Have you also happened to notice, that though each and every prophet within the Tanakh spoke of God the Fathers ensuing judgement upon Israel and Judah, that it doesn’t appear to be plainly recorded within the book of Revelation? Don’t you think that this is rather “mysterious”?
Be blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Amen.
Hi Accepted,
Thank you for your post.
Yes, I have a great fondness for the people of Israel, however, I know what the Father is saying when He speaks harsh words to both us and the nation of Israel. Harsh words don’t necessarily have anything to do with hatred, especially when they originate from a loving God.
I believe that the book of Revelation is a concentration of those former judgements, that were poured out on the nation of Israel in Old Testament times, which have yet to occur again in their finality against unbelieving Israel. But not only Israel, also the nations who come against Israel in the last days. Most of natural Israel will not survive the onslaught of their time of tribulation, with only a remnant who survive the terrors of those horrific punishments, but sufficient numbers will remain to cry out to their God for intervention. It will be a whole lot worse for those nations who dare to mess with the Jews. I feel it is important to look for bible echos; precedents; similitudes; themes; patterns; and context, as well as study profane history and current events, to see how this fits in with God’s (sometimes) harsh view of an unbelieving people.
There is so much more I could write about the book of Revelation to show you that this is true, but I spend a lot of time writing to others, as well as working 80 hrs/wk running a business. Of course, not fogetting to make the obligatory cups of tea or coffee, like the one I’ve just made..tea this time, and terribly English!
Hi truth,
No problem brother.
It’s a difficult subject to broach sometimes, (without others assuming that a prejudice of some kind isn’t involved).
The Father YHVH has expressed Himself in His Word, and it will not be in vain.
I have written on that particular topic here as well, (I believe that it was on the Signs in the Heavens page somewhere), but fortunately those here are aware of my heart for Israel, so though I did have those that disagreed with what I was saying, I didn’t receive any anti-Semitic flack.
Be Blessed in Yeshua our Most Holy and Precious Savior.
Amen.
A.
Truth,
Though there are some “facts” in what you say, the only thing that comes across is your Hatred for the people of Israel. God is Love, not hate. Jesus sacrifice on the cross was God’s love exemplified. We should be willing to die, that Israel might be saved, and come to experience the Love of God as we who are Christians Have. I am reminded of 1 Corinthians 13 here. I will let you Read that.
“…for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.” (Romans 13:8) You cannot Love another from atop a pedestal, But you must step down from your pedestal and “feed his sheep”. Then You will Love them.Read Phillipians 2:1-11.
Yes, I totally agree with you that God is a God of love. God’s love towards us as manifested in the giving of His Son to die for our sins, is unequalled love, a love that knows no bounds, and a love that we can’t repay. However, such love is also an invitation to make every effort to love God’s ‘truth’. Our response to God’s love, upon cofession of our faith in the hope of Israel, and the forgiveness of our sins by virtue of our Lord’s shed and poured out blood, is that through the waters of baptism and a sincere conscience, we share in Christ’s death. Having crucified the old man/woman, we are no longer bound to our old master of sin, and are free to be betrothed to the Lord. Ok, so we never conquer sin perfectly, as was evidenced in the lives of many great men and women of faith, but we all need to persevere with repentance, as well as endevour to overcome our weaknesses. I remember some years ago whilst working in the construction industry, my mentor telling me that: if you have never made a mistake you have never made anything. So, we can learn from our mistkes if we want to!
As much as God is a forgiving God, we also need to be mindful that the bible uses very strong language to discourage us from persitently sinning. As with the apostle Paul and his dealings with immorality in the Corinthian church, we see the God of love is prepared to make an example of those who continually sin. The immoral brother (1 Cor 5) was disfellowshipped, and cut off from the hope of Israel. However, it was always hoped that such a one would repent and be restored to fellowship. Love sometimes has to be tough. I remember my mother saying to me as a child: “son this is going to hurt me more than you”, and having been the parent of three children I now know what she meant.
It was exactly the same with the true shepherds of Israel rebuking the nation for their sins. The prophets of old were responsible for telling the ‘truth’ about Israel’s sins, but their reward was to be ill treated and sometimes murdered, for their harsh but all very necessary words. Israel of old like Israel today, want to be told smooth words (Isa 30:8-10) “Now go write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for EVER and EVER. That this is a rebellious people (Israel), lying children, children that will not hear the law of the Lord: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophecy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophecy deceits. If you mistake the harsh words of the prophets and Jesus towards Israel as being ones of hatred, then you put yourself alongside those who despise the Father’s discipline (Prov 15:5 & Heb 12:5) and live in peril of being branded a FOOL!
Truth,
Have you ever considered that the events may be the other way around this time. Before you dismiss this, Think about it.This is tough love for those who have ears to hear.
2 Thess. 2 predicts that there will be a falling away for the church before the end of the age, so this is not a ludacris notion. The Church is intolerant of hard words and teaching of repentence.They do not want to surrender to the truth of Salvation by grace through faith, and in the process surrender their will.
The Lord had me find this book in my boxes of stuff in the basement from my recent move. I think this was not an accident. It is by A. W. Tozier, Called “keys to the deeper life”. I have now quoted it twice on two different sites. The following quote is significant to this discussion. It is a bit Long, but worth reading.
“Of course Satan cares nothing for us nor for our Lord. His purpose is to keep us weak and unarmed in a day of conflict. And millions of believers accept his hypocritical lies as gospel truth and go back to their caves like the prophets of Obadiah to feed on bread and water.
Before there can be a fullness there must be an emptiness. Before God can fill us with Himself we must first be emptied of ourselves. It is this emptying that brings painful disappointment and despair of self of which so many persons have complained just prior to their new and radiant experience.
There must come a total of self-disvaluation,a death to all things without us and within us, or there can never be real filling with the Holy Spirit.
That dearest Idol I have known,
Whate’er that idol be,
Help me tear it from Thy throne,
And worship only thee.
We sing this Glibly enough, but we cancel out our prayer by our refusal to surrender the very idol of which we sing. To give up our last idol is to plunge ourselves into a state of inward loneliness which no Gospel meeting, no fellowship with other Christians, can ever cure. For this reason, most Christians play it safe and settle for a life of compromise. They have some of God, to be sure, but not all; and God has some of them, but not all. And so they live their tepid lives and try to disguise with bright smiles and snappy choruses the deep spiritual destitution within them.”
This to me is the definition of the Lukewarm (tepid) Christian. The one that gets Spewed Out by the Lord. This is our church today. In the first century, The Lord shut the eyes of Israel. In these end times he will send a strong delusion to the Modern church. In this falling Away, they are being seduced by the very same thing That caused the Judaizers to leave the church. They Would rather Worship the Idol of this world, than the Messiah…The Law written in stone. Instead of the Law of Love which requires complete surrender. We Gentiles did not replace Israel, They rejected Jesus. Now many in the church are rejecting the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, and instead are looking for the law to save them. WE the Church are betraying Jesus this time. And we will become the “Son of Perdition” if we do not overcome this Lukewarm Spirit in our churches. This is the Antichrist Spirit. The one that denies that Jesus is Lord (Master). Jesus can only be Lord to a person that has emptied themselves, and repented and have given him control of Their lives….Read the letter to the Laodicean church.
I will continue this in a bit, I have an errand to run. Please think about this.
Truth.
Sorry for the delay.
….The church on the other hand, Is as far from this as possible in our modern culture. They are either too busy for God, Or they are trying to replace their inability and fear of surrendering to the Lord, with works to make themselves “feel worthy”. “Seeker sensitive” is an understatement. Instead you have two extremes “worldly”, and “self righteous”. I know I have discussed this before here, But these are the two strongholds of Satan. So long as he can keep you doubting and weak he wins. If on the other hand You choose to take the Narrow path and surrender to the Lord, then you will Overcome.
It is when we totally surrender to him that he fills us with the Holy Spirit. It is then when Jesus is truly Lord. It is then when we overcome the original sin of Pride. Not by our own doing, But by His Work in us. It is then that real progressive sanctification begins. That We have enough Oil…More than enough.
But what happens if the church fails as a whole to surrender? Will He not Spew it out, As he did with the children of Israel.
Please read the site on salvation.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/salvation.html
Surrender is not the actual point of salvation, but it comes shortly thereafter when the Holy Spirit fills us. If this has occured in your life, you will remember when this occurs…The exact circumstance. If You were saved as a child, this will occur sometime when you reach the age of accountability, when your Will is your own to surrender. Do not confuse this with salvation, though they are intricately tied together. At the time of salvation, we repent and believe and walk with him. At the time of surrender, we let him in and give him control.
The church has been sowing a whole lot of seeds on “Bad ground”, Not Good soil. They are not creating saints, But rather weak kneed believers, who at the first sign of trouble are blown away. They are more worried about numbers, and buildings than they are seeking first the Kingdom of God. The problem is not with Israel, the Problem is with the church. Yes Israel rejects Jesus, but it is because we have not made them Jealous. It is Us who are failing Israel….our Brother. Our testimony to them sucks. They are not seeing people filled with the Holy Spirit, instead they are seeing a conglomeration of confusion and disunity. Why would they want to receive Jesus?
All I can say is repent…tear off your clothes and repent. For along with all the promises of Glory and rescue, there is also the promise of “utter destruction” if we fail to do so. If we fail Israel we will succumb to our hatred for Israel and be destroyed trying to destroy them. The “strong delusion”.
Can you handle tough Love?…You either Love your brother or You hate them. They Israel, are his first bride, and as per Hosea, he will redeem them guranteed…But he will also divorce this Bride if they are unfaithful to him.
2 Timothy 2:11-13
1 John 2:18-19
Hebrews 10:29
James 2:14-26
Lord Jesus, Allow the words spoken here to soften the hearts of those who read them that they may come on their knees before you, crying “Lord have mercy on me, a sinner”. And May they surrender to your will.Fill those who yield with the Holy Spirit. Let them become the testimony which makes your chosen Nation Israel return to you in repentence Desiring what it is that you have given us as a gift. And may we not Fall prey to that same resentment that the prodigal sons older brother fell victim to, and celebrate the son who has returned to you with Joy. To God be the Glory and the Power forever. In Your Holy Name I pray, Amen.
amen
Yes! Amen to that.
Good post dru.
Be Blessed in Yeshua our Most Holy Everything.
A.
That is so true Marianne. If one actually reads the Bible and believes in what it says, then they will stand for the Nation of Israel because God, Himself tells us to do so. It is He who will judge individuals of all nations, not us. He does state quite clearly in His scriptures that those who stand against Israel will be punished and those who stand for Israel will be blessed. Even the Quran states that Jerusalem and the Land of Israel does belong to the Jews and that they are to return to their Holy Land. Most Muslims like to pick and chose which of their own writings that they want to pay attention to. The Quran has many many contradictions. It also says that Jews are apes and to be hated. It all depends on which part of Muhammad’s life, that he was having his “visions or revelations” from.
So, if what you are saying is that God will judge us as individuals, then I agree. All nations have persons who have committed atrocities. No one is exempt. But also the Bible does state that the Nation of Israel was and is supposed to return to the Holy Land that God had set up for them. Whether each person is obedient to the will of God is up to them and God will take care of those who do not follow His will. But to be anti-Zionist is to be against the will of God Himself.
Lyn,
Not sure if you are commenting to me? You should address your comments.
Yes I do believe that God will Judge individuals. But he will also pour out his wrath on Nations. The true church is not some denomination, building or sect. It consists of all who have made Jesus their Lord. We are Citizens in a heavenly Kingdom. Many a nation is falling into sin and despair, because the modern institutionalized churches are not doing their part in creating saints, Instead they are creating “Parrots” at best of the teachers heading these churches. Spirit filled believers interact with one another, they are unified By the Spirit, And they Work in the Spiritual as well as the Material World.
There is a battle going on in this spiritual world that we cannot see. It is between the forces of Satan, and the Armies of God. When a person Is totally surrendered to the will of God, they are given Spiritual gifts that they use to fight that Battle in both Spheres. When a nation falls into sinfulness and corruption, It is saying that the churches in that nation are failing. From this “lawlessness”, there are two types of revivals. Religiousity, which lasts for a season, which ultimately leads to rebellion, and Revival that is based on Godly repentence, Which transforms that nation By the outpouring of God’s love for one another.
We are in the midst of one of these revivals in religiousity. The asceticism that this religiousity brings will then produce the fruit of “lawlessness and rebellion” (You see this manifesting in the secular society in western culture today, antisemitism). This is the cyclical nature of How Satan runs the World. If you think of Islam, and sharia Law as one example of this, And then you will see the underbelly of this is murder, rape, genocide and Lawlessness in general… a Paradox, Law producing lawlessness. He also secularises the nations through various forms of “enlightenment”, which Leads to Mystical and occultic Leader Worship suchas we had in Hitlers Germany. The first result of this is always Anti-semitism. So on one extreme you have Legalism, and on the other You have Lawlessness. And when Satan is running a nation the two coexist, and feed off of each other.
If you think of a child who is raised in a strict religious family, who then goes into the world and rebells when they get older. They never have found the Narrow road that leads to the gates of Heaven. They may even return to being strict legalists like their parents when they age, thus completing the full cycle. The Cross is the only thing, And Jesus love for us, that can break this cycle.
Israel exists…. Modern nations approach them as either an Anti semite, Or they enable them with their religiousity. Regenerated Believers on the other hand, Love them with Genuine Love…Godly Love. One that is not afraid to say repent, but also holds them in high regard, as God chosen nation. There is no place in the Law of Love for antisemitism, nor is there place for legalism. If they are hurting us, as some claim with many Jewish Bankers, then we are to turn the other cheek. This can only be done by those who realize their citizenship is not of this world.
Take the time to read Romans 11 carefully. Pay particular attention to verses 11-16, and 28-32. There are truths hidden that only the Holy Spirit can reveal.
The revival brought on by Godly repentence is altogether different. All genuine revivals lead us back to the cross on our knees, saying “Lord have mercy on me a sinner.” Read the parable of the pharisee, and the tax collector (Luke 18), this is an endtime parable. There will be both these revivals going on simultaneously. The one that produces Legalism and lawlessness, and the one that produces saints. One imposes man’s will upon others. The other yields man’s will to God’s will. One is falling away, the other is being filled with the Holy Spirit.
I hope this answers your questions?
God bless.
God will judge individuals by their hearts, minds, souls, actions, words, deeds. You simply cannot say that since our governments make decisions that you don’t agree with that all Christians within our countries are evil and misguided. GB, US and Israel are secular societies, not run by religion. all are free to follow their path and not be put to death for their beliefs. That is the good part of a secular society. The bad part is when the godless within the secular society become too powerful for the checks and balances to keep them checked and in balance. There are plenty of true believers and followers of Christ, who are obedient that happen to live in nations that do not make Christian choices, but I can tell you that nations that are run by Islamic religious law do carry out atrocities on a daily basis throughout their countries and upon other countries that is promoted and sanctioned by their religious laws. In ancient times, yes, Christian and Jewish societies did do bad things according to their religious laws but Christian and Jewish people have evolved, generally for the most part; for example no righteous Christian Church or Jewish Synagog or Temple would sanction the stoning to death or crucifying people these days. But Muslim Imams are calling for the annihilation of all the Jews in the world. In Muslim nations, they have preschool and gradeschool programs and children’s television actually, blatantly promoting hatred of all Jews. Muslims teach their children to judge against others without knowing the individual. Christians and Jews, for the most part know that God is our judge. We seek to understand each other’s faiths and to live in peace with each other, which is the best way to convert someone, not with hate.
Yes Dru, the church of God is not confined to a denomination; sect; or indeed a race, but rather it is the Israel in Christ that constitutes the true church i.e. those who have embraced Jesus as their Lord and King, who alone is the cornerstone and foundation of the true Israel! Ephesians 2:19-22 “Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. This has absolutely nothing to do with the Israel that now is (Gal 4:25), but the Israel that is from above pertaining to faith (Gal 4:26), not corrupt leprous Jerusalem, and its den of thieves which is going to be removed, to make way for the heavenly Jerusalem.
Those who have embraced Jesus as their Saviour are saints just like Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob were; along with all those mentioned in the genealogy of Christ in Mathew chapter 1, as well as those who are listed in that long gallery of faithful disciples in Hebrews chapter 11. Rom 9:6-8 “..For they are not all Israel, which are of (pagan) Israel: Neither because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all (his) children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They (natural Israel) which are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God: but (to the contrary) the children of the promise (by faith) are counted for the seed (of Abraham)”. As for us, we are also included in the blessings promised to Abraham, provided we have accepted the gospel as the answer of a good conscience, having sworn allegiance to God in Christ and they alone, promising to maintain an undivided loyalty to Christ who paid the price for both our sins and salvation.
Just like Abraham the father of the faithful, we also have been called out from a pagan society, and like him we have also become Jews by virtue of faith, never to return to the pagan world from which we like Abraham have been cleansed! We have Heb 11:10 “For he looked for a city which hath foundations (Christ), whose builder and maker is God”. Heb 12: 22-25 ” But ye are come unto mount Sion (Zion from above as opposed to political Zionism), and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an inumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn (Jesus the true and only Israel), which are written in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him (Moses/old covenant) who spake on earth, much more shall we not escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven”. The letter to the Hebrews in particular, was one of God’s most thunderous warnings to all and sundry, not to forsake the true Israel in Christ for the former Israel. It’s an extremely serious matter for those who purport to be Christians (super apostles), to persaude those in Christ to give allegiance to pagan Israel or pagan anything, thereby dragging them back into bondage and slavery to a worldly entity, to be found guity of forsaking the assembly in Christ, and betray the purpose of his sacrifice! If we haven’t so far thought about the seriousness of this matter, then we should repent before going any further!
Once we have given our allegiance to Christ, being sealed by his blood and co citizens with the king of the commonwealth of the true Israel, we have from that moment onwards completely forsaken all ties with the past, and dispensed with all previous allegiances, for we can’t serve two masters at one and the same time. We have left home; kindred; and birth nations, to become pilgrims and sojourners whilst waiting as strangers in this world, to receive an inheritance along with Christ in the Promised Land, and the age to come. Therefore, whilst we empathise with natural Israel, and are concerned for thier welfare, we owe neither them or any other nation our allegiance, except in matters of the gospel. The only other thing we owe to any man/woman; authority; or nation is the debt of love, as well as our prayers.
“truth”
Though I agree with much of your comment, I see a form of replacement theology in your response. Though in a sense we were brought salvation (gentiles) because of Israel’s unbelief, this does not mean that we have replaced Israel in the Eyes of God. This is making God into a liar. Paul Quoted Isaiah 59:20-21, in Romans 11:26-27. Here he says prophetically, “And in this way will ALL Israel be saved, As it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will banish ungodliness from Jacob; And this will be my covenent with them when I take away their sins.” He then follows by saying “as regard the gospel they are enemies of God for your (gentiles) sake. But as regards election (Status as chosen nation) they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and calling are irrevocable.”
Note the word “ALL Israel”. This is not a reference to only those who become Christians. Note the act that God will do. He will take away their sins. The Mystery here, is that there will be a redemption of all the people of Israel…Even the ones that do not believe now, because of the blindness the Lord has placed on them. Read Ezekial 47:1-14. He will breathe life back into this nation. He then says “You Israel shall know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves, and raise you from your graves.” Obviously, Most people read this as a metaphor for Israel becoming a nation again. But if read in light of Paul’s comments in Romans, perhaps this is more of a literal event.
As for the Gentile church, yes we are the seed of Abraham. But we are not the seed of Jacob. Though the birthright once belonged to us, We traded it away (Esau). We then, By God’s Love came back to him desiring only to be his servents, But he instead killed the fattened calf (Jesus), which rightfully belonged to Israel (The “older” brother), On our behalf. The Older brother then had resentment and Jelousy, for though he obeyed the father, and did as he commanded, He did not see it as fitting to rejoice at the redemption of the Prodigal son who was dead, but is now alive. Now, as the age of Grace…The party thrown in honor of our return (Gentiles) comes to an end, The Lord will then throw a feast for the disgruntled Older brother. Will we Join in this festivity, Or will we make the same error that Israel made?? You see, we are indebted to the “Older” Brother, Jacob. And we the Gentile church will serve them in the new millenium. That is how our Love will Manifest for Israel. They were not replaced by us, The Lord Just received us back as his Children, Thereby receiving the blessings that come as a son of the Living God. That Older brother, never stopped being the son, He was Just Jealous of the Mercy his father showed the prodigal son…We must now prove that that grace was sufficient. (Luke 15:11-32)
We in turn, Must show that same grace and mercy towards Israel, That God showed us. In other words, We must “Love one another as Christ Loved us” (John 15:12) This is the law of Love, and Israel exists for us to accomplish His Love for them through Us, the Church.
Read Also Romans 15:1-13
God bless.
Dear Dru,
Greetings.
Yes, it is true that the Gentiles are not a replacement for the natural olive branches, but even the natural branches were required to display faith in the tree of God’s creation, so that even they could be deemed to be legitimate heirs in order to reap of God’s salvation i.e. faith in the tree of life as representing Christ! Therefore, the very precendent for the Israel in Christ came not of Gentile origin, but came of old by virtue of the faith of Abraham; and thereafter Isaac; and Jacob. There is only one Israel in Christ into which the Gentiles have also been grafted on the prerequisite of faith. But in a sense Abraham too having been a Gentile prior to his calling was grafted into Christ, on the basis that before Abraham was “I am” i.e. the first borne of the true Israel in the foreknowledge of God. Jesus was not only the root and offspring of king David, but also of Abraham too. The concept of the Israel in Christ had been in existence since time immemorial, with the only benefactors of salvation being those who constitute the true Israel, be it the natural or wild branches.
It would make a mockery of the genealogy of Christ, if the true Israel wasn’t based upon the faith of individuals, as opposed to pertaining to nationhood. Both Rahab and Ruth were of Gentile stock, and had nothing to do with the nation of natural Israel, but more importantly they became citizens of the true Israel i.e. the Israel to be saved!. Therefore, there was never any need for a replacement Israel in the form of a Gentile Israel, however, there was and is a need for a replacement Israel in Christ, where pagan Israel is concerned…Rom 9:6 “..For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel”.
To quote Rom 11: 26-27 regarding “all Israel shall be saved”. This passage is given in the context of those who are to be grafted in again, of whom there will only be a remnant Rom 9:27. Immediately we create an anomoly if we don’t unedrstand who or what the true Israel is, irrespective of whether they are of natural or alien stock..no replacement Israel needed except in the case of pagan Israel!
Furthermore, it would make God out to be a liar, if justice did not prevail in the removal of all that offends Him concerning unbelief, for which pagan Israel as a precedent, stands head and shoulders above all nations. An unbelief for which pagan Israel has gained notoriety having assumed all the characteristics of Sodom; Egypt; and Babylon; as well as an harlot, (Rev 17:2) wherby the nations have been made drunk by the wine of her forinations, and for which pagan Israel will experience great tribulation (e.g. Dan 12; Zech 13: 8-9)..leaving not ALL pagan Israel, but a remnant who having been cleansed from their paganism and whoredoms, will be grafted into the true Israel i.e. the body of Christ, whereby ALL Israel shall be saved!
My earnest prayer for pagan Israel, is for those of unbelief to look to the faith of their fathers, and understand the real meaning of being truly Israel.
truth
although there are pagan people everywhere, Israel is made up of Jews, their religion Judaism, which is not paganism.
Hi Marianne,
What I believe that “truth” is saying is that, “Yeshua” was and is the point of all of Scripture, and if as a Jew you don’t accept Him as the Mashiach, then you have missed the point of not only all of Scripture, but that of Judaism as well.
Yeshua was the fulfilling climax of Judaism, and the Old Covenant, and if Father God referred to Israel as an idolatrous harlot, (through each and every prophet within the Tanakh), because they continued to break His law and not walk in His ways, how much more so would they be in His eyes now, after He has offered up His only begotten Son to them, and then they refuse to acknowledge that precious gift too.
In that sense, in not acknowledging Yeshua, they would be idolatrous, (by still holding on to Moses who they continue to trust in), and by definition, no different from any other false religion.
Yeshua Himself said in John 5:43-47.;
“I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only? Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
Though there are most definitely unfulfilled promises in store for Israel, I think that if I understand “truth” correctly, I personally can’t disagree with what he is saying.
Be Blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach our Most Holy Savior.
Amen.
Hi Accepted,
Greetings and blessings in Yeshua ha Meshiach,
Yes to that..amen and amen!
Shabbat Shalom..Shabbat chagim sameach! (Nissan 11)
Yes, there are pagan people everywhere..both Jews and Gentiles. More importantly not having faith in Christ is what determines their paganism, whether Jew or Gentile. If you wish to define Abraham’s faith as Judaism, who believed in Christ and on that basis left paganism behind in Ur, then those you claim to have Judaism in the abscence of such a faith, are not being true to their Judaism, and thereby relegate themselves to that of the status of pagans, and for all their Judaism is worth might as well be back in Ur of the Chaldees!
“10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn. 11 On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning for Hadad-rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land shall mourn, each family[a] by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 and all the families that are left, each by itself, and their wives by themselves.
13 “On that day there shall be a fountain opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and uncleanness.
9 And I will put this third into the fire,
and refine them as one refines silver,
and test them as gold is tested.
They will call upon my name,
and I will answer them.
I will say, ‘They are my people’;
and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”
14 Behold, a day is coming for the Lord, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. 5 And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
The preceding Passages taken from the Book of Zechariah should indicate to you that the Lord will Redeem Israel, and they will come to repentence in the prescence of “Him whom they have pierced”. The Question you need to ask as a Gentile believer is not “Is Israel Pagan?” The Question You need to ask is will I be one of the ones gathering against Jerusalem for battle?
If I were you, I would consider the following advice from Paul regarding this from Romans 11.
18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
Though I agree that the people Who are living in the nation of Israel do not have faith, The approach to them is how we will be Judged. Do we approach them with Love, and seeing ourselves as sinners, or do we approach them as superior to them…Praying “Thank God I am not like other men.” (Luke 18:11)
You have to remember, that the unbelief of Israel was to enable belief in the gentiles. Yes it is individual belief, and not national belief that saves. But when God’s chosen nation failed to bring the Law to the nations, the Lord blinded them all, except the remnant in the early church. You speak of Justice, Well how just would it be convict a man of murder, who did not know he murdered someone, nor did it willfully. Israel does not believe because they have been blinded by God. It is the church that has failed the People of Israel, By not making them jealous of what we have…this is because the church has done nothing but betray and persecute Israel for their unbelief. Wake up from this madness and Love your brother. Stop having the attitude of the Pharisee, and remember from where the Lord has redeemed us…the very gates of hell. We are commanded to Love one another as Christ loved us….
You are very Good at arguing doctrine. I commend you for that. But So were those who crucified Christ, and those who persecuted the early church. Paul is an example of this before Christ intervened on the road to Damascus. He was zealous for the Law, so much so that it overtook his Love for others. I come from a Lutheran Background. The Lutheran church went through this in Germany during WW2. Many a person thought they were doing the will of God, as they were putting the Jews into the gas chambers. This is no different than what Saul did to the early church. We are making the same mistakes as Israel did, and soon the Lord will remove the grafted in branch off that vine unless we repent. I implore you to think about what is said here.
“4 But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. (Revelation 2:4-5)”
Truth,
11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12 We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother’s righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, brothers,[c] that the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. (1 John 3:11-15)
I suggest you read that whole chapter of 1 John 3.
Hi Dru,
We know and believe all the things you have quoted from the bible are true. Indeed as believers in the gospel, how can we ever dispute the fact that Yahweh will save a remnant of natural Israel. There will be those who have not bowed the knee to Baal in the end times. However, Moses speaking of the last days regarding natural Israel corrupting themselves, is talking about those who will not accept Yeshua as the chief conerstone and foundation of Judaism, without which the whole house of pagan Israel will come crashing down around their feet i.e. the feet of the image of pagan Israel whose corporate personality, is represented by the paganistic characteristics of the image. It is Yahweh’s overwhelming desire to save all Israel, but because of their intent on doing evil (Deut 31:29) in the last days, not all of pagan Israel will be saved.
Yes, we also know it’s true that pagan entities masquerading as Christianity, and Islam too, have both persecuted natural Israel. However, one can’t blame anyone for this situation except Israel itself, because of their unbelief. Time and time again, God warned the people of Israel to obey Him, otherwise there would be serious consequences for not hearkening unto the word of the Lord (Deut 28), that would clearly end in total disaster for Israel. Deut 32: 39 & 41 “…I kill, and make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand…If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgement; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me”. God is not a respecter of persons regarding those who hate Him, bringing both Jews and Gentiles into judgement for blasphemy and disobedience. Isa 45:7 “I form the light and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil (trouble): I the Lord do all these things”. God used the prophets to rebuke Israel, and when rebuke failed, He allowed the enemies of Israel to chastise them. The only hatred involved was on God’s part towards those who like Esau despised their birthright (Rom 9:13) “..Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”. So, those who were given the birthright as heirs to the kingdom of God in Christ, such as Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob, have by their faith established a precedent for recieving the promise on the basis of faith, and those (inc Israel) who reject Christ because of unbelief, also reject their birthright and become as Esau!
The worrying thing about all that you promulgate concerning love and hatred, is that in so doing you actually level charges against God, as well as His Son, and all the preceeding generations of prophets who exhausted their concerns to no avail, on a disobedient people whose hatred for God, and its consequential punishment, you claim is not love, but instead is one of hatred towards unbelieving Israel. Actually, you might be right, but it is God who heals and kills depending on the merits of the situation as well as the circumstances involved, whether it be an individual or nation who chooses not to believe..including Israel! Are you questioning God’s justice? You seem to be implying that because Israel has been, and is going to be on the receiving end of God’s justice (Dan 12 etc), He is not a God of love. It would appear that you only believe in God’s love providing everything goes well for Israel irrespective of their behaviour, and regardless of God’s justice. As for those who truly claim to be in Christ, we simply accept God’s Will in all matters, not wishing any harm but only good to all and sundry, and pray earnestly for Israel’s deliverance from both herself and others..and she will be once ahe has repented!
Truth,
Israel will indeed buy into the false Messiah, Hook line and sinker. They Will drink of the cup of God’s wrath till they are drunk. But in the end he will rescue them despite their unbelief. Read Hosea. In Particular chapter 3. This is the theme of this book. God will take back his adulterous wife, just as Hosea took back his wife. This is the theme of all the Old testament prophecies regarding Israel. I cannot explain why God does what he does…Why did he choose to blind Israel? Why will he in the end redeem Israel, his adulterous wife? It is his sovereign will to do this.
What I can address is our (Christians) attitude towards Israel. Will we take on the role that the Lutheran church did before Hitlers rise to Power, Giving credence to anti-semitism, or will we be like those who stood up against Hitler and gave their lives to save them from Holocaust. The New testament clearly tells us to Love those who persecute us. We are also told to Love those who are oppressed..The Hungry, the Naked, etc. And we Love Jesus when we come to the aid of those who are oppressed. Jesus Said on the cross, “Father forgive them, for they know Not what they are doing”. (Luke 23:34) Do You think that the Father did not Listen to his request? This is the prayer of Jesus Himself towards Israel, and will be fulfilled when he opens their eyes that they may say “blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” And when they Mourn for “him whom they have pierced” (zech.12). Israel has been persecuted for thousands of years now. Whether in inquisition torture chambers at the hand of catholics, or By Muslim sword, or protestent gas chambers, this is all Hatred for Israel.
Hatred is like a seed. If you place it in fertile soil it will germinate and grow like a weed, and snuff out all the good plants that are growing around it. Jesus equated Hatred with Murder…for we murder that person with our hearts. Why is it so hard for Christians to accept a message of Love for Israel? How is this any different than the Love we are to show to a lost amazonian tribe? Yes we need to share the Gospel with Israel, but the best way for us to share the Gospel with them is to make them jealous of the Love that God has imparted towards us By loving those who are oppressed, AND those who persecute us (Oppressors). Were we Gentiles any different then, than Israel is now? If we Fail to Love them, he has promised “Utter destruction”, a Curse to come upon us. He has also promised to remove our lampstand from its place, one of the “Branches of the Menorah” if we do not Love. Paul even said “if I have faith to move mountains, and have not Love, I am NOTHING” (1 corinthians 13:2). Does this mean that we are not sved by faith? No, it means that the end result of faith is Love.
This is no different than the sin of the Pharisees. They knew all the doctrine in their minds, but It was not written on their hearts. By hating the gentiles, they were murdering them. I am not levelling charges against God, I am leveling charges against the gentile church who has forgotten the love of God towards them…”.That while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us”. I would rather err on the side of love than on the side of hatred. The Bottomline of all your arguments against Israel is that they are responsible for evil in the World.. Past, present and future. Whether It is those who murdered Christ, the modern day Banking leaders, or the future manifestation of unbelieving Israel. It is Love that conquers wickedness, Hatred only feeds and nourishes it. Think about that. Hatred pouring out from the mouth of Christians is a bad witness. Love for those who hate you is the testimony that overcomes.
Just some demographics for you to consider:
Judaism accounts for.22% of the worlds population. That is 22 hundreths of a percent (.0022). Who is the opressor in the world? This .22% minority, or the rest of the 99.78% of the worlds population, of which a 1/3 are Christian, and a 1/4 Muslim. Yet you claim that they will be responsible for evil around the world and The Other 99% having no liability?? That is 13.3 million people. That is about as many as were killed in the last century by Hitler, Stalin/communism, and Islam. Could you imagine the uproar if half of the U.S. population were killed? That would be about 175 Million. Who is going to carry that out, the 13.3 million Jews?? Or some other group of the 99%? How about the 200 million man army, Who are they? Not Jews, I can tell you that for sure.
I am sorry, truth. You are a very smart person, and you know a lot of doctrine, much of which I agree with you on doctrinally. But there is an abscence of heart in your comments that some see, and others do not. I am confronting you here on it. If You want to know God, then the first thing you need to understand is that God is Love.
good points
Hi Dru,
As far as I can tell, no one is actually disputing the fact that God will take back His adulterous bride, and we pray for that, but there has to be repentance first. The prohecies indicate that whilst God is angry with His people for their stiffnecked rebellion, He nonetheless desires for Israel to return to Him, and is prepared to forgive their foolish ways. However, whilst Israel remains in a state of unrepentance, with God being displeased with their attitude of unbelief, I’m not able in all good conscience to be ultra defensive towards Israel. At the same time, neither do I see this as a reason to be offensive towards Israel for the same reason. So, on the one hand I do not take sides with Israel, in matters where God has declared Israel to be unclean, and on the other hand, I do not take sides with those who wish to cause Israel harm for whatever reason.
Just as God raised up enemies against Israel in the past, He will do so again in the End Times, only to dispose of those whose purpose was to administer justice upon the nation of Israel, in order to bring His people to their senses. So, people like Hitler are merely instruments of God’s wrath upon His people, or indeed whoever. Whilst I don’t condone the actions of violent men or women or institutions, I accept that God allows evil (trouble) to happen to people (not only Jews), for their sins and general disobedience. Like you said in your post, we have to love our enemies whoever they are including the likes of Hitler. Furthermore, if God uses these people for a specific reason or purpose, who are we to argue against that, and if we are not happy with the situation, we immediately have an issue with God who has sanctioned the evil..Isa 45:7!
As for hatred towards Israel, I think you are confusing what has become a politically sensitive interpretation of hatred towards the Jews, (even in the form of criticism) commonly known as anti-semetism, as opposed to a rebuke born out of loving concern for Israel, such as was the case with Jesus and John the Baptist towards pagan Jewry..also Math 5:22 “But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without cause shall be in danger of the judgement”. Hatred grows into an ugly beast that devours all around, and none so obvious than that which was displayed in a pack of wolves towards the prophets; Christ; and the early church. It is important to establish the balance of equity in the presentation of historical facts concerning anti-semetism. The worst of all enemies to Jewry are the Jews themselves, simply because all they ever needed to do in order to stop persecution, or indeed prevent it from happening in the first instance, was to believe in God and accept Christ as their Messiah. We can argue the rights and wrongs of atrocities on all sides whether Jewish; Christian; or Islam, but it remains true that in the End, it will be the Jews who will actually stop the persecution, i.e. when they cry out “blessed is he who comes in the name of the Father”.
Ok, so Judaism accounts for .22% of the world’s entire population, and you claim that I said Judaism would be responsible for the prevalence of evil in the last days..not I..but the word of God says the people of Israel as the harlot (Rev 17 & 18) would be responsible for evil in the latter days..Deut 31:29. The personality of Israel in the latter days, as represented by the image of the beast, stands on the land of Israel head and shoulders above all other nations, (Rev 17:2) “With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication”. As small a percentage that Israel might be in terms of golbal population, Zionists who constitute an even smaller number, influence and control almost the entire world’s financial system of Fractional Reserve Banking, as well as governments by means of entrapment to the very same finance. Napaleon said something along the lines of: How was it that so few Jews had mortgaged most of France. Sir Wiston Churchill (a Jew) also said that: Hitlers worst crime wasn’t the holocaust, it was the fact that he had side-stepped the international bankers! It was for this reason that American Jewry declared holy war on Germany (Daily Mail; March 1933), even when German Jewry pleaded with their American cousins not to intefere, and Jewish newpapers in Germany reported that they had no problem with Hitler. I do not agree with what Hitler did, but let’s get a few facts right. Also, the funding of Oliver Cromwell by European Jews to finance the English Civil War; the French Revolution; the opium wars in China which lead to the colonisation of Hong Kong by the British; the Russian Revolution with 60,000,000+ Russian Christians murdered at the hands of the Bolshevics (Jews); the First & Second World Wars; the Korean & Vietnamese Wars as well. All of these wars and Revolutions just to protect the rackets of either Jewish drug or money cartels, and whatever else they considered to be their property as a right, on the basis of believing that Jewish Zionists were the supremecist race. All of this and we haven’t quite reached the “latter days” of which Moses spoke of! I could cover so much more of the history, and go into great detail about Zionist control of many global enterprises, through the far reaching tentacles of their organisation. This knowledge doesn’t make me hate them, rather it makes me feel sorry for them.
The 200,000,000 is the price that Israel will have to pay for their own folly, one which could be prevented if only they repented, but we know they will not until they have been brought almost to the point of total annihilation! So, what did Daniel and Nehemiah do concerning the people of Israel? Nehemiah mourned; fasted; and prayed on behalf of Israel, and so did Daniel pray for the sins of the nation (Dan 9:16) “O Lord, according to thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because FOR OUR SINS, and THE INIQUITIES OF OUR FATHERS, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us”. There is nothing we can do except pray for the Jews, that all of them will recognise it’s their own fault for what is going to happen to Israel in the last days, when God allows their enemies to come against them, in a way that will make the holocaust look like a minor altercation!
dear “truth”
you are a perfect antisemite.
you know nothing about Jews.
you know nothins about Judaism
you know nothing about Israel today.
you know nothing about God.
and you do not know when satan is using you.
you have a perverted view of history , jews, judaism, and what is going on today.
you claim God brought evil upon the jews…..when it was an act of satan.
the jews were doing nothing wrong in germany and russia to get the holocaust as a punishment from God.
you are sick, sick, sick…..
the reason the holocaust happened is because so called christians like yourself were deceived by satan to think it was ok to kill 6 million jews….. the arrogance and hatred and satanic thinking was there in the so called christians.
the harlot in revelation is NOT Israel…..
it is the fornicating church, who has accepted the worldly, sinful values of the beast who is satan…..
You are a perfect anti-Christ, and masquerade your political Zionism as Chrstianity. The true Zionism is that of Messiah ruling over the Israel of God from heavenly Jerusalem..not the Kenesset. You prefere women’s houses that were once swept clean, to be devoured by the leprous condition of the Pharisee, for which not one stone shall be left upon another, whose house has been left desolate as a result of legal consideration, regarding the breaking of God’s laws and resultant many injustices, where physical Israel has come under God’s condemnation; you being a chief advocate for their unbelief! I never realised before that Mossad had agents purporting to be Christian, in an attempt to pervert the ‘truth’..amazing revelation!
1 John 4:20-21
20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot[a] love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.
so if you don’t like me, why are you on my website? why don’t you go somewhere else?
“truth”
13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman (Israel) who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth (words) after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus (Christians). And he stood[b] on the sand of the sea. (Revelation 12)
You are reading the propaganda of the antisemites found all over the internet, and believing it as fact. You are justifying Hatred because of the unbelief of Israel. We as Christians hate the sin, not the sinner for we are all sinners. You are not doing the work of God, you are doing the work of his adversary…I hate this sin as does God. Repentence is the only remedy for the sinner. Mercy on the Part of God will forgive.
Your hatred for the people of Israel is what is showing. I do not hate all germans for the sin of Hitler. I do not hate all black people for the sin of our president. I do not hate all Jews for the sin of a few “bankers”. I do not hate you, but I will confront your antisemitism.
Antisemitism, and racism for that matter is a generalization of one persons sin to all those who share in the same race as the person. If one black man is Lazy, I do not generalize that to all black men. If one Jewish man is a Banker working for the illuminati, I do not say that they all are evil. God will Judge the sinner according to his plan. We are to Love, show mercy, share the gospel with them. Not wage war. Our kingdom is not of this world. You are fighting for “this World”. Ours is a Heavenly Kingdom. We fight our battles in the Spiritual realm…in the heavenlies. You are Justifying Hatred in the hearts of the wicked. this is the work of Satan, that you are doing. You are infact saying that God does not love Israel. The Word of God is clear that the opposite is true.
Have you ever been in a relationship where you take the other partner for granted? Well, you are taking God for granted. That you own and desrve the Love of God. This is mocking God, as would be mocking your spouse, and she will leave you for it. You are putting God to this same test. You however do not see this, because you think you are doing his will, But you are not.
You need to step back, Pray the prayer found at the end of Psalm 139, and examine your heart.This is the tough love that you need to hear and listen to. Or you can continue to listen to the smooth words of the antisemites that put you on a podium like the Pharisee in Luke 18.
Shalom
Hi Dru,
When the scripture describes God’s unfaithful bride as a harlot, God then makes a comparison, to show He is much more forgiving where Israel is concerned, than any human would be towards their unfaithful spouse. We know God will forgive a remnant (a percentage) of physical Israel in the END, but at some point between this present time and the END, physical Israel is going to be purged of her unbelief, with resultant loss of life in her time of tribulation. As far as unbelief is concerned, it is God who justifies hate towards unbelievers whether Jew or Gentile. Isa 45 shows in verse 6, that there is only one God and he alone punishes “none else besides me” and this is applied to verse 7 “…I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do ALL these things”. It was the angels who placed Adam and Eve outside the garden of Eden; the angels destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah; it was the destroying angel who put 70,000 to the sword in Israel; it will be the same angels at work when the bring about the “time of Jacob’s trouble”, because of unbelief!
Jer 18: 6-11 “O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold as the clay is in the potter’s hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. At what instant shall I speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device agaist you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good”.
Romans 9:13 “..Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”. This passage is taken from Malachi 1: 1-4. Romans 9 is warning both to Jews and Christians, that God will not spare either the natural or wild branches where there is evidence of unbelief. The apostle Paul then makes a further point about hardening of hearts where Israel is concerned, and compares the rejection of Israel to Pharaoh. Rom 9: 17-18 “For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth”. The scriptures would strongly suggest that the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart was in concert with his own will. God presented Pharoah with a choice as well as an ultimatum, to either let the people go or else. It was the choice and the ultimatum that produced a hardness of heart, as that of any proud or arrogant person who despises being told to do what is right. So, Pharaoh’s heart was not hardened contrary to his will or apart from it, being made all the more calloused by God’s leniency, upon which Pharaoh had presumed to take further liberties to exert his will, in a continuous display of disobedience in spite of God displaying His power in the form of palgues, as a judgement against Pharaoh. Paul is telling us that the hardening of Israel’s heart was no different, and equally without excuse! Israel’s rebellion therefore, serves as an example to the Christian church not to copy them.
Only God can justify hatred towards any nation or individual, depending on whether they repent or not, and we do well to point that out to others as part of our preaching. The anti-Christ will not like the truth, because the truth hurts. The anti-Christ only wants to hear lies and smooth words, persecuting those who tell it as it is from the word of God. I totally agree with you that we are not to hate, but instead we have been commanded to love, and love is telling it as it is. Telling it as it is i.e. the truth, has nothing to do with hate, otherwise you are denouncing God; His Son; the angels; and the prophets for having rubuked Israel for their sins. As far as being prejudiced where God’s rebuke is concerned, those who do not fall foul of His indictments for unbelief and its various manifestations, have no need to fear. Therefore, your argument about Germans; Black people; Bankers is a non-starter. When God condemns Israel, it’s accepted that He’s talking about unbelieving Israel, who as pagans are seen in the same light as Esau and Pharaoh!
As far as those you consider to be anti-semites for uncovering historical facts about Zionist agendas, revealing their global ambitions for world domination, as a means of removing any future likelyhood of being victims of the punishments God has brought upon them for their disobedience, through the control of politics and entrapment to their finance, can thereby dictate the terms of a nation or individual who is dependent upon such finance, and the favour of governments who act as their administrators. It might well be that they do not appreciate God’s concern for the Jew, and yes they could well be anti-semetic, but I and others do not find it a strange coincidence, when God through Moses tells us that Israel (no other is mentioned) will be responsible for evil in the last days, and that the beast amongst other evils, has the power over who can buy and sell, I find it very intriguing that their discoveries corroborate exactly what the bible has foretold..the truth hurts!
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our “truth” debate.
truth,
I am going to answer you simply by saying You are basing your assumption that Evil is good, and good evil. You are justifying the actions of Hitler in saying that God created evil. You are accusing us of being antichrist when we choose to suffer evil on account of Love for one another.
What I am saying that you cannot seem to grasp, is that all sin is grievous in God’s sight. And we are all sinners. We are equal with Israel, with the Lone exception of the fact that we have Jesus rightousness imputed over us, so that when God looks down on us, he sees His Son This allows for no boasting on our part, For we deserve not his Love. It is his example of Love that we are to live by.
17 You have wearied the Lord with your words. But you say, “How have we wearied him?” By saying, “Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delights in them.” Or by asking, “Where is the God of justice?”(Malachi 2:17)
It is Only from the pedestal of pride that you can condemn others. Your condemnation of Israel is equivalent to you declaring yourself God, in that you can call for Justice and Judgement. “For behold the day is coming , burning like an oven when ALL the arrogant and ALL evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming will set them ablaze, says the Lord of Hosts, so that it will leave them neither ROOT NOR BRANCH.” (Mal. 4:1)
I choose to love Israel and if I have to suffer on account of this I will, for my will is not my own. In Loving the sinner we Love like Jesus who came to save that which was lost. I have died to this world already. “And we know that for those who LOVE God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.” (Romans 8:28)
Good and evil exist to the glory of God. That we through His Love we may overcome evil through his power and sacrifice on the cross. Hatred from a “Christian” is not Glorifying God. Loving one another as Christ Loved us is. You cannot Love one another from a podium of condemnation and pride. Repent for the time is near.
1 Peter 3:8-17 Take the time to read this.
God bless
Regarding Israel and the Illuminati. The Plan of the Illuminatti is to destroy Israel and Islam together with war. From what I understand, very soon there will be an explosion which destroys the dome of the rock, which will be followed by a muslim invasion of Israel. The MAD will Kill two birds with one stone seemingly, But the Lord will rescue Israel from afar. You see, she has become a stone of stumbling for the nations.
We are not talking about Messianic Jews, who have accepted Jesus as their Messiah, who like Abraham have also become spiritual Israel. There is only one Israel for either Jew or Gentile i.e.Yeshua the Christ. Anyone who is not saved in Messiah is lost to paganism! I have to say from my acquaintance with Messinaic Jews, there is often confusion where law and grace is concerned, as well as a tending to condone acts of militancy towards enemies of their mother-land. Their (sometimes) strong association with nationalism, would on ocassions appear to obliterate all sense of their belonging to a new nation in Yeshua, forgetting the pagan Israel from which they have supposedly been called, to become heirs of the true Israel in Christ! These are the arguments Paul presents to Jewish beleivers in many of the letters to the early churches. Especially to those (not only Jews) who having entered into a covenant relationship with Christ, having been washed from paganism, not to wilfully abandon one’s confidence of salvation in Christ, in preference to former allegiances to paganism, and thereby betray the blood of Christ!
As for evil being good, only Yahweh can determine the good that comes out of evil, the evil he so desires to bring upon the disobedient sons of men, whether Jewish or Gentile, and only in that sense can evil be justified. It has absolutely nothing to do with a personal bias, (and indeed God is not biased, although pro-Zionists beleive God is!), as to how God’s justice should be administered to a particular group of people, or individual. So neither you or I, can usurp God’s authority in the matter of justice, as to put ourselves forward to be the bodyguards of that which He has condemned, neither presume to act as the militant instruments of His wrath (if we have a heart), against that which he has also condemned, where in both instances we would make ourselves enemies of God. Instead, we are invited to make an analysis of that which God has cursed, from which we must heed the lesson of unbelief. It is God who provides the lesson, and much to the disappointment of Zionists and pro-Zionist disciples, it just so happens that God has chosen the Jewish race to be the focal point of that lesson. The fact that the lesson is meant to apply to all and sundry, it forever remains true, the lesson is that God has determined to disolve Israel’s unbelief, by subjecting the nation to evil (Dan 12) in the “latter days”. And however unpleasant that ‘truth’ may sound, it’s only because no other choice of action remains! God has determined that a fundamental prerequisite to establishing His kingdom on earth, is that the unbelieving Jew who behaves as a pagan, having been compared to Pharaoh and Esau (Rom 9), must turn their hearts back to God for that kingdom to be established. Therefore, if God wishes to use derogatory terms with which to dub pagan Israel (who are not true Israel), for the purpose of making them envious, then who are we to critcise or to say anything different, so that in daring to challenge God in the matter, to betray an allegiance to another i.e. the father of lies!
It was posted that the Jews have claimed many nobel prizes for one thing or another, which I agree, is indicative of incredible intelligence, a phenomenon that superceeds that of any other race of people, is enough to make anyone marvel. I have to say it is absolutely amazing that the Jewish race, have shown themselves to be more capable of heading global enterprises more than any other. But therin lies the problem, where a people who both front and support global finance and economies in a state of unbelief, to then be in a position to manifest the very evil Moses speaks of, concening Israel in the last days. In colonising the world through debt (for which there’s huge amounts of evidence), I can almost hear Moses saying: if there was a nobel prize for evil, then pagan Israel would also win that too. Time will prove that all their energies for academic excellence, where ambitions to win the accolades of mans invention, will in the end for all its creemony, demonstrate the futility of placing trust in one’s own achievements, that to secure a better world purley by means of discoveries; inventions; science; or any other academic discipline, will fail in its insignificance, when once replaced by a superior knowledge when Christ alone has the answer..not the Jew or Gentile!
this is more antisemitism cloaked as religious piety.
Judaism is NOT paganism.
Israel is NOT pagan.
God has a covenant with Israel, the nation, that is everlasting, and that includes unbelieving Israel.
As far as tending to condone acts of militancy towards enemies of their mother-land, that is completely justified.
Every nation has a right to protect itself from blood thirsty, animalistic enemies.
God told Israel a long time ago to kill them all, but they did not obey, and so now, they are a constant irritant.
If I were Israel, I would obey God, and completely bomb all the muslims in Gaza and the west bank and take back the property. It is Israeli property, not arab.
God has not cursed Israel,.. Christianity has, and Islam has.
Israel has not colonized the world through debt. That is a lie, and the truth is not in you.
Hi Marianne,
I respectively beg to disagree with your comment that “Judaism is not paganism”.
First in both Hebrew and Greek there is no word for “pagan or paganism”, so the closest associated substitute would be “idolatry”.
If Judaism was correct in its application and understanding of God the Fathers Word, (and had not been corrupted by the Sadducees and Pharisees by following and placing more credence in the Mishnah, Midrash, and the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud’s, than the Word of Father God), then why did Yeshua constantly chastise them for making the Word of God of no effect?
It was because of “takanot”, (enactments or reforms that change Biblical law), and “ma’asim”, (acts or deeds that serve as precedents and tradition).
Yeshua said in Matthew 15:3., “Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?” when answering the scribes and Pharisees regarding the washing of hands before eating, for this was strictly a ritualistic tradition rather than a direct commandment from God.
Whenever, an individual or group adds or subtracts from following the direct Word of God, we refer to that practice as “paganism”, (As Protestants we do that constantly with Catholics), so why is it that we can’t recognize that same “paganism or idolatry” in that of Judaism, where Yeshua Himself obviously could?
Just my thoughts.
Be Blessed In Yeshua HaMashiach our Glorious KING.
Amen.
accepted
I do not agree with your definition of paganism. I do not see where you got it from.
paganism is the worship of false gods.
If misinterpreting scripture, or adding and subtracting is paganism, then even christianity is paganism.
the jews worship YHVH, they have missed their messiah, who will return later for them, after giving them another chance.
To reduce the Jews to the level of pagans who should be scorned is unjust.
The main reason they have not accepted their messiah over the centuries is because christianity either did not care about witnessing to them, or did a horrendous job of witnessing, or persecuted them as christ killers, or put them through the holocaust, including locking them inside their synogogues and settting the places on fire.
If you were a jew you would not want any part of a satanic effort to destroy you either.
Jesus would have returned long ago if the christians had done their job of spreading the gospel. Instead, the church fell into paganism itself, and no longer represented christ to the world. Why would a jew be inspired by this sort of thing? It turned its back on the jews.
The jews have been abandoned by a selfish racist hateful rejecting church over the centuries, so they clung to their one true God named YHVH.
They are suspicious of us, and need the love of christ shown to them. Only this will heal them enough to accept the messiah they pray for every day. they want a messiah to appear much more than the average christian wants christ to return.
Accepted,
I fully agree with you, so do you not think it more appropriate for those who have printed their own license to condemn, to focus on the shark first, before the minnow? After all, who is the greater threat…and whom, since the very first century, has the greater blood-guilt on their hands…and whom is the epitome of apostasy?
Now it should be obvious to anyone that it is not the Jews, but in fact the Jaws that consumed the minnows, and continue to do so at every opportunity!! So let’s look forward to the day when the Jaw gets it’s Jew deserts, which will prove to be eternally unpalatable!
Blessings.
richard is making puns again. 🙂
Marianne,
Well, it was long overjew, so hope you enjawed it!… 🙂
Blessings.
richard
of course, most puns are rather common, but your are extraordinaire.
perhaps it is the flair.
or the way you do your hair.
but enjawed I did.
I loved it, tooth and and all.
I did mean to ask if you considered it a puny pun or a punny pun?
Have you heard that a lie travels half way around the world before the truth has tied it’s laces? If you have, correct anyone you know who thinks it is the other way round…and rebuke anyone you know who prefers it the way it is…and ban anyone who rebukes your rebuke…in a fair and gentile jewdicious manner of course….lest you be accused of anti-Gentilism 🙂
it was a punny pun 🙂
🙂 🙂
No I don’t laugh at my own jokes…the smiles should have appeared where they belong…below your comment!
Hi Richard and Marianne,
Okay Marianne first;
Though I am not sure if I really understand what you’re in disagreement with?
But “pagan” is derived from the Latin “paganus”. In classical Latin it is defined as “villager, rustic; civilian, non-combatant” noun use of adjective meaning “of the country, of a village,” from “pagus” a “country people; province, rural district,” originally “district limited by markers,” thus related to pangere “to fix, fasten,” from PIE root *pag- “to fix”.
In the religious sense, it is often said to be derived from a conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for “civilian, or an incompetent soldier,” which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites “soldier of Christ,” etc.).
Notwithstanding, as I have said above neither the Hebrew or Greek languages have a specific word for “pagan or paganism”, and if you happen to find the word in any given version of the Bible, it has been translated from either the Hebrew or Greek for “idolatry”.
Above you say, “Paganism is the worship of false gods”. Well, within the confines and understood context of the word today, I would agree, but what is “idolatry” then?
In Hebrew, “תְּרָפִים”, transliterated as, “tĕraphiym”, is defined as, “1) idolatry, idols, image(s), teraphim, family idol. a) a kind of idol used in household shrine or worship”.
In Greek, “εἰδωλολατρία”, transliterated as, “eidōlolatria”, is defined as, “1) the worship of false gods, idolatry. a) of the formal sacrificial feats held in honour of false gods. b) of avarice, as a worship of Mammon. 2) in the plural, the vices springing from idolatry and peculiar to it.”
Therefore they are in essence the same.
Perhaps to address what I am attempting to say better, (because within the rest of your post response you have missed my point entirely, and have taken a defensive posture regarding Jews as a people, rather than Judaism as a Religion), could I suggest you watch the first hour of this clip.
Though I don’t necessarily agree with the conclusion that this narrator reaches within this above clip, I think that you will understand the point I am trying to make, in how much of Judaism is comprised of man-made traditions and precedents that have nothing to do with any God given commandment whatsoever.
Richard,
Pray that you are well my brother.
Well, though I am not personally responsible for the atrocities and persecutions of the past, that were perpetrated on the Jewish people by those so called followers of Yeshua, I do attempt to love all people as He loved us, no matter what their heritage may be.
So sure, I agree with you that the church for the most part is lacking in demonstrating this love as a whole, not only to the Jewish people, but to everyone worldwide.
But rather than say “pointing a finger, casting a stone, or stating the obvious”, what is your plan to fix it?
Be Blessed in Yeshua our Most Holy Perfector.
Amen.
accepted
My point was that Jews should not be singled out as pagans, which has a negative connotation in Christianity and monotheism in general, and that your definition that it has to do with adding or subtracting to scripture is not backed up with the common definitions of paganism.
Dear Accepted, Hope your are well!
My finger was certainly not pointing at you, for I am in full agreement with your sincere and accurate overview of Judaic Israel and it’s consequential spiritual condition, but rather the one who is using the same as a pretext to support and justify his rather obvious secular and carnal anti-Semitic hate-filled agenda.
Blessings to you.
Hi Richard,
Gotcha bro.
I just needed some clarification there because I wasn’t exactly sure as to who you were specifically addressing the above to.
Thanks for taking the time to explain.
Be Blessed in Yeshua our Most Holy and Worthy King.
Amen.
Accepted,
Sorry for the misunderstanding bruv!…… 🙂
Blessings.
Ha ha! Judaism without Christ has proved itself to be the enemy of Christ, and is therefore not the same Judaism that Abraham recognised. The apostle Paul also recognised that his former life of Judaism, was not the same Judaism he had found by virtue of faith in the gospel of Christ. The apostle Paul said in Galations (NIV) 1: 13-14 “For you have heard of my previous way of life in JUDAISM, how intensely I persecuted the church (Israel in Christ) of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely jealous (like Marianne) for the tradition of my fathers”. As you seem to endorse the actions of those who put, and continue to put Christ on the cross, you would appear to make yourself commander in chief of those, who express such hatred of the Lord, as well as volunteer your services as an ambassador for the very violence Messiah condemned, and which put him to death!
Behind the mask of Marrians religiosity stands an anti-Christ allegiance, to the very Judaism the apostle Paul clearly shows as the pretender of true Judaism in Christ. God has cursed all who remain in unbelief whether they are Jews or Gentiles. It so happens that the apostle Paul uses the pagan version of Judaism, as an example of anti-Christ fervour steeped in unbelief.
As for the Jews not colonising the world through debt to its credit finance, your defence of Zionists who do control the world’s fiances, with all the tyranny of the cruelest dicatator unleashed upon those entrapped by it, would in the light of expert historical evidence and opinion show you are wrong, actually makes you to be a bigger liar than I ever thought imaginable, especially for someone who claims to be the proprietor of a Christian website. But we now know that your website doesn’t espouse the virtues of Christ like living, after having revealed your true identity with the bomb; bullet; and bloodshed which you would care to unleash with every vent and fury associated with your father the devil, he being a murderer from the beginning and now your mentor, we realise that all along you have been a pretender to the Judaism in Christ. The truth travels fast in this day and age of cyber info! Many Christians are now realising that unbelieving Israel of today, are the very Jews Moses spoke of as being the instigators of evil in the last days, being the modern day counterpart of the very Judasim, which had persecuted the early church under the direction of the apostle Paul..until his conversion!
you views are satanic.
Do not return to this site.
You are no longer welcome.
“the truth”,
Amidst your legalese, hermeneutics, and pontificating exegesis, what exactly is your point?
If it is to draw the readers attention to the consequences of unbelief, then that is noble enough, since the majority of the world’s population remains in this state, and so it remains our commission as believers to preach the good news to every unbeliever, whoever they are, and wherever they may be, which of course includes the land of Israel.
So, why your insistence on drawing the readers attention to a small Land of mostly unbelieving people whose population is less than that of an unbelieving city such as London, for example?
While it is true that Israel’s unbelief, in view of “her” previous chosen status, has without question, incurred a greater measure of God’s wrath, we must however, be mindful of the fact that modern Israel has inherited a belief system in the way others have, such as Muslims and Catholicism and it’s “protestant” apostate daughters whom also consider themselves God’s chosen, and whom equally deserve a hefty dose of your unabating self-righteous condemnation, if your disdain for unbelief is to appear credible.
It is therefore plain folly to hold subsequent generations guilty of the actions of their predecessors, even though they persist in the error of their forefathers; and worse, when any particular group is singled out as being deserving of greater condemnation, which is exactly what you are doing because of your disdain for Jews….Get a heart!
You should know that accountability and salvation is an individual matter, not a corporate one, so your blanket judgement of Israel confirms your negative bias against her, since many Jews have accepted their Messiah, as was the case in the first century. Because you so choose to be fixated by Jewish unbelief, knowing that the world by most part has also rejected the true Christ, it can only be that you are of an anti-Semite disposition; or you simply have no idea of the world about you, and it’s history.
However, since you believe the Christ to be Michael the Archangel, your case is lame from the outset, therefore you have no business exegesising the spiritual condition of Israel and the rejection of “her” Messiah, when the one to whom all authority has been given by the Father, is nothing more than the chief angel to you, through whom no man can be saved.
Many Jews have, and will reject their Saviour right to the end, just as the majority in all nations will; but in the meantime, in your pursuit to enlighten the world of the spiritual misdemeanours of this miniscule flock of people, thus deflecting attention away from the real whore of Babylon,(evidently, your true sweetheart), just consider that chutzpah can be more deadly than a lynching, which is what you will receive if you should dare present to a Jew, your version of the King of Kings!….
So perhaps you would be wise to keep your gate firmly shut until such a time you come to know the true Christ, before condemning those whom also do not know yet know him!
Blessings.
As for a negative bias against the unbelieving status of physical Israel, you (Richard & Co) should consider your own bias against the believing status of the true Israel in Christ. In your worship/idolising of an Israel from which the apostle Paul was called out from, it becomes evident that your allegiance is with those who crucified Christ i.e. the same Israel that John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus Christ rebuked, and for which Stephen was stoned in exposing their pretentions. You see, it becomes quite clear, that your pretentions (along with Marianne & Co) are also exposed against the truth in claiming to be a Christian, when at the same time you honour the ruling master of Judaic unbelief..their father the devil! The problem is, and you don’t see it, is that you make yourself twice a son of your father as did the unbelieving Jews, by promoting an Israel that will be removed by God in their time of tribulation. Even natural Israel have to be grafted back into the olive tree, who along with Gentile believers become one in Christ, with no distinction made between them because of belief!
I see you are back. You are blocked again until you can learn some manners, and show the love of Christ.
truth,
I do understand your position, but it is in how you are expressing it that isn’t with a Christian heart.
God the Father Himself was the One that has placed a veil over this nation of people, and He will also remove it when it is time. In doing so we the gentiles were given the opportunity to be grafted in, so in a way, we should be very grateful for this act, rather than condemning the Israeli people for it.
Just a brief thought that you might take into consideration.
Be Blessed in Yeshua the Name above all Names.
Amen.
truth,
Since you have taken the time to lump me in with the “and Co.”, I will take some time to comment here. Your error above comes from the following assumption:”… your allegiance is with those who crucified Christ”. You are implying a racial element, to an all encompassing sacrifice on the cross. In other words, We ALL killed Jesus, for we are all sinners. Once you realize that we are in the same boat as Israel in our sin, then the only thing we can do is pray for mercy.
Jesus himself warns of the attitude you are expressing in Matthew 24. Though you will not heed us, perhaps you will heed his warning…
“45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant,[c] whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 47 Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. 48 But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants[d] and eats and drinks with drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know 51 and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Are you man enough to handle this “tough Love”? Or are you sinking into your defensive bubble of pride, and self righteousness? For your actions are no different than the ones of the Pharisees and Jewish people of Jesus time. They had placed themselves in an esteemed position as the “chosen People”, and were unable to Love others on equal terms. In a twisted way, You are no different than they were. I know you cannot respond to this comment, But I pray instead of hiding in your defensive bubble, you come out like a man and confront this within you. The Character of a man is not seen in the boasts of the victors, but rather in the attitude one has in adversity and defeat.
psalm 139:19-24, Matthew 5: 38-48 This is the difference that you need to understand.
God Bless you in your search, You have a good mind which you are wasting on hating others.
“The Eternal Truth” ?!,
Again you continue to miss the point in your assumption that we, who do not condemn the unbelief of Israel, consider our stance to be tantamount to pro-Judaism, pro-secular Zionism, and having disregard for the propitiation of sins only possible under the New Covenant through Christ.
So let me repeat again. Your overview of the spiritual condition of Israel, I believe, is by most part correct, but your motives for espousing your views so vehemently and insistently, and in the manner you do, clearly indicates that you do have contempt for Jews; for reasons known only to you!
Firstly, you confuse the secular and dark things of the god of this world with the spiritual, thereby corporately condemning a nation spiritually on account of secular evil carried out by some. Yes of course there are evil Jews prominent in the secular world, just as there are evil Americans, and so forth, but does this mean that individuals within a nation are to be tarred with the same brush, which is exactly what you are doing regarding Israel, because you have chosen to believe that their unbelief, by default,
makes them evil in ways that other unbelievers are not; and ultimately the cause of all the world’s ills…Breathtakingly bizarre!
Your premise that Israel is deserving of greater condemnation on account of “her” ongoing obstinance and historical unbelief, is plain ridiculous in light of the level of Apostasy and paganism that is Christendom, and since there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ, why are you making this a nationalist issue? Of course God is done with Israel’s former exclusive chosenness, with the only nation now acceptable to Him being the Body of Christ, comprising of both Jew and Gentile from all nations, many of whom lay down their lives for the Lord on a daily basis, unbeknown to almost all.
So if you really must wield your axe at apostasy, unbelief and paganism, there are bigger diseased trees to cut down first before “Israel”; and when Jews see that you have your own house in order by first removing the greater disease, then they may just begin to see you as a healing representation of the true Messiah, whom they still eagerly await…then they may just deem you credible enough to help then also get their houses in order….but without love, compassion and empathy, there can never be credibility…and should you offer them Michael as propitiation for their sins, then it looks like the hills of Judah for you! So much for “the eternal truth” !! 🙂
So the unanswered question remains…Why are you singling out Jews as deserving of greater condemnation?!
Regarding Marianne, myself and others; we do fortunately have our houses in order and readily welcome you in…if you so desire!
Blessings.
who the hell on earth created this site and informations provided here.. the informations provided here is absolute wrong.. bcz there is no number like 666 which represents the name of Allah and The Prophet. 786 is the numebr which is the short counting of “Bismillahi – ar – rahmnan – ar – raheem – wa la ha’ ula wa la ku’ watha illa billahil aliyul aleem”.. and 6666 is the number which represents the total number of aayat, means the number of lines in The Holy Quran.. plz dont provide informations which are misleading, if any one creates a website, first take effort to know and learn what u are about to do.. U CRAZY CRAAAAAPSSS!!!!!*#@*%#@
kiran
look at the image in the post. it is not the number 666, but the greek letters, that look like bismallah……
Be it any..place time person or thing…the singularity and most important value
is that not of wisdom does one stand
alone..but by faith..and spirit
so by peace…does he choose
as actions
clearly do not save
unless we save.
if then . .so then heasks father
to be ever so gentle
Marianne,Richard and Dru,
In her post of March 29, 2013 at 1:13 pm, Marianne said “If I were Israel, I would obey God, and completely bomb all the muslims in Gaza and the west bank and take back the property.”
You are a bunch of hypocrites and should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. Marianne, you are being deceived by Satan as your teaching is contrary to that of our Lord Jesus, whose message was to love our enemies.Tell me, how does one love our enemies by dropping bombs on them?
And Marianne did not receive a single rebuke from Richard and Dru- and this after Dru’s piece on March 27, 2013 at 1:57 am , quote “Good and evil exist to the glory of God. That we through His Love we may overcome evil through his power and sacrifice on the cross. Hatred from a “Christian” is not Glorifying God. Loving one another as Christ Loved us is. You cannot Love one another from a podium of condemnation and pride. Repent for the time is near. ”
Now pay attention all of you.
Romans 2:28-29 KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Marianne, let that sink in. Those who remain in unbelief will never be considered true Jews, and by unbelief I mean those who do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Whether you want to call such people unbelievers or pagans doesn’t matter- their fate is the same.
You all need to get your act together.
jacob
I have no hatred. I am just realistic.
This is war.
and the enemy will win as long as we let him.
we have a responsibility to stop him.
“Jacob,”
Its easy to criticize others. It is easy to accuse them, and Judge them. I Hope you enjoyed your lofty assesment.
We hate the sin, not the sinner. As much as I confronted the sin of “truth” above, it was all said in the hope that he would repent at the foot of the cross, as my last comment stated.
That being said, I have never advocated violence towards Muslims. Nor have I advocated it towards Jews, Hindu’s, Mormon’s, JW’s, Atheists…what have you. Instead I confront their sin and unsound doctrine as instructed in the word of God to do, as Jesus himself did, As paul did, as John, James,Peter, and Jude all did…You get the point.
I have as well confronted Marianne before, as she will attest to, Having been blocked on this site thrice for doing so.
Do I agree with her statement? No. But I do understand why she says it. She is Just “shaking the dust off her feet” as the apostles did when faced with hatred and resistence.
There is such a thing as righteous anger, and God will reveal that side of himself to those who do not repent. Vengence is his, not mine.
God bless.
Dru,
We are commanded to rebuke those who promote false teaching, not understand why they do it.
Therefore I hope you repent of your sarcastic comment ” I hope you enjoyed your lofty assessment.” If anyone is judging anyone here, it’s you. As for your charge of accusation, her own words accuse her. Understanding why she said what she did does not make it correct, particularly as she still believes it. Comparing her statement to that of the apostles actions, as you say, she was just “shaking the dust off her feet”, is absolutely ridiculous.
Marianne,
Please keep your doctrine of demons to yourself.
So by your reasoning then, Christ, and all the other christian martyrs through the ages were all idiots. Brilliant!
In actual fact, they were not idiots, but had faith in their God who says ‘Vengeance is Mine, I will repay’. This is how strongholds were demolished, without violence on the part of the Christian.
Christians are not supposed to go to war. They are supposed to be non-violent. The Church for the first three centuries was non-violent. Even Roman soldiers who became christians renounced their arms and endured torture and even death for doing so. Why? Because they had Christ, the apostles and the early Church fathers as an example.War is for non christians to engage in, and God may use them to administer His justice.This is why ‘we are not of this world’, we are ‘strangers and nomads’ and why we are exhorted to ‘endure with patience and long suffering.’
Christians who enter into politics will eventually have to compromise their Christian faith.
jacob
you really need to spend time in palestinian areas to understand demons and their doctrines.
self defense – or pre-emptive action to avoid genocide is not a doctrine of demons.
Marianne,
Any teaching outside the teaching of Jesus Christ is demonic.
Your teaching is not from God but from Man.
Now learn something:
Genesis 18:23-32 KJV
23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty’s sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty’s sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten’s sake.
Marianne, your teaching is no different from those who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.You are making the message of Jesus pointless.
You need to understand this because you are being deceived and as a result you are misrepresenting the gospels and potentially deceiving others.
Pre-emptive self defense?? Just think about what you are saying!
Spend some time in earnest prayer, read the scriptures, do some research into the early church of the first three centuries.
self defense is scriptural. God told the Israelites to destroy them all thousands of years ago, or they would be a continual irritant. But they did not obey. Now, they have political restraints and cannot do it. But the divine order was given long ago.
Jacob,
Just wondering about this passage you quoted. What does this have to do with anything being discussed? This is about Abraham begging God not to destroy the wicked for the sake of the righteous who live among them. What does it have to do with a Israel defending itself against annihilation?
As for your comment:
” If Gaza is destroyed before Christ comes again, rest assured it will not be because God desired His people to destroy it, but it will be by the warring nations at large, and because God allowed it to happen.”
Here’s God’s response:
When Gog attacks the land of Israel, MY HOT ANGER WILL BE AROUSED, declares the Sovereign Lord. In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. I WILL SUMMON A SWORD against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. I WILL EXECUTE JUDGMENT on him with plague and bloodshed; I WILL POUR DOWN torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’
Sure sounds like God DESIRES to destroy Gog here, for coming against the land of Israel.
As for your other comments:
“You have less intelligence than I originally gave you credit for -and that was negligible. I hope you do find some.”
LOVE IS KIND.
“You are a tiresome fellow.Before I answer your question, I think I ought to start with a refresher course in basic English, for you and anyone else with language problems.”
LOVE IS PATIENT.
The same can be said for your blog posts, which, by the way, display a complete lack of understanding and are full of hate against anyone who disagrees with you. You should be ashamed. May the Lord rebuke you.
LOVE DOES NOT DISHONOR OTHERS
You are a bunch of hypocrites and should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.
Now pay attention all of you.
You all need to get your act together.
LOVE IS NOT PROUD
Very interesting. You sit and condemn everyone for not loving their enemies, and you don’t even love believers.
“IF IT IS POSSIBLE, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone” (Romans 12:18).
Sometimes peace is not possible. When Islam wants to “wipe Israel off the face of the map,” Israel has a right to defend themselves, and we as Christians have the right to support them.
Do you not realize that it is God Himself who raises up nations and puts them down?
“He changes times and seasons;
he deposes kings and raises up others” (Daniel 2:21)
Now how does God depose and raise up kings? Through peace? I don’t think so!
Did Jesus really tell us to put down the sword. I don’t remember Him saying that. Can you tell me where it is written? The only thing I remember, besides telling Peter to put away his sword, is this:
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
And this:
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”
“That’s enough!” he replied.
Now, tell me Jacob, if someone threatened to kill you, would you stand there passively, or would you fight to defend yourself?
Hmmm.
Oh, and by the way, He (Jesus) shall be called Immanuel, “God with us.”
Toddott,
Matthew 26:52 KJV
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Read the bible and stop misrepresenting the gospel.
The purpose of my quote from Genesis was to illustrate that as long as one righteous person was living in Sodom, God would not destroy it. You seem to think that Man, in his great wisdom, will be able to determine who is righteous and who is not, from thousands of miles away, whilst peering through the sights of a guided missile launcher.
How many innocent men, women and children have been killed as a result of ‘collateral damage’?
Patient- The mere fact I am spending time and effort responding should indicate I am.
Love- ditto
Dishonour- I will rebuke those who claim to be believers but twist and distort scripture and in turn dishonour God
As to your last comment re Immanuel, my comment of April 24, 2013 at 5:54 am applies.
BTW, the devil running this website keeps banning me so don’t take it the wrong way if I am not be able to respond.
So, while I’m at it, I’ll say here that Marianne cannot seem to make up her mind, comparing her last comment to me on the April 23, 2013 at 9:24 pm and what she said in the following responses to questions on this website (scroll up and see):
1. Did you see in injil jesus say = i am is god
sdfsdf said this on March 3, 2010 at 6:27 pm
o dear sdfsdf
No, Jesus does not say that. He say God is his father.
Marianne said this on March 3, 2010 at 8:58 pm
o I know that Islam denies that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus said this about himself, and proved it while he was here.
Jesus also died for the sins of mankind, voluntarily. Islam denies this too.
this is a deep subject. Islam argues against christian doctrine that is not int he bible.
I only go by what the bible says.
Jesus was more than a prophet.
he was the son of God, by spirit, not flesh.
if you deny who he is, then you deny the GOD who sent him.
Marianne said this on January 7, 2013 at 12:37 am
So which is it Marianne? Do you now disagree with what you said earlier and agree with your friend Dru instead?
Marianne and Toddott,
Please accept my apology re my last statement in my comment Jacobagainandagain said this on April 24, 2013 at 9:16 am
Marianne, Re your response to my comment , I misread it- you do say you agree that the Father and the Son are not the same.
Once again, Marianne, I am sorry if I have misrepresented your current view. I congratulate you if you disbelieve the Roman Catholic trinity doctrine.
jacob
I really do not want you here on this site. You are too rude.
yes, I said the Father and the Son Jesus are not the same “person.”
The son is not the father
Marianne,
Before I leave, I will just answer a couple of questions I have been asked from Dru and Toddott- if I am permitted.
ok.
I hope you understand.
also, anyone is welcome to stay, as along as they remain positive and do not attack people.
people can disagree without being harsh
Marianne,
I hope no one is offended, that is not my intention. My intention is to provoke serious thought on critical issues.
Jacob
Read Sefanja 2:4 and consider that Gasa has sent over 10000 missiles on Israel last ten years that means 3 missiles every day. So we had enough of satan/muslims. Soon Gasa will be destroyed.
Adam,
You really don’t get it, do you?
Each person, alive or dead, will be brought before the judgement seat of God to give account for their actions. To whom much has been given, much will be expected. Those ignorant of Christ’s teaching will instead be judged according to their conscience.Those who knew Christ’s teaching but chose to ignore it may expect a fiery judgement. Christ commanded all those who claim to be his followers to put down the sword. God knows that not every one will accept this, and He is fully aware that there are many unbelievers in the world. He has given Man free will to follow His commands, and because He knows what they will do before they even do it, His future plan for His people has already been prepared with this foreknowledge.
Since He has given Man free will, He allows and knows that war will occur, but He is still able to see His purpose fulfilled for His people. Christians are expected to pray for deliverance from evil, but Christians are not to engage in evil. Instead, Christians are to have patience and faith and hope for justice- and sometimes God allows justice for His people through the actions of non believers. If Gaza is destroyed before Christ comes again, rest assured it will not be because God desired His people to destroy it, but it will be by the warring nations at large, and because God allowed it to happen.
Jacob
The way I see it, we are told to turn the other cheek. If that does not work then we will use our right to bear arms to defend ourselves.
That Goes for all the lefty’s out there too.
“AS FOR A PERSON STIRRING UP DIVISION, After warning him once, and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, Knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is SELF CONDEMNED.” (Titus 3:10-11)
We are to submit to God, not to man. Meaning we should not be looking to enter an abusive relationship with abusive people.
While You are entering an abusive relationship, why not just give all your money to them at the same time….
or You can send it to me, i am “poor.”(Note sarcasm)
Now Get off your bully pulpit, before the Lord comes in vengence and removes you himself. REPENT For his coming is fast approaching. He is King of kings, and Lord of lords.
maybe Jacob is a muslim. that would explain his viewpoint
Marianne,
If you think I am a Muslim after all the things I have written, then you have even less intelligence than I originally gave you credit for -and that was negligible. I do hope you find some
Oh, I see…The Gospel According To Dru- if ‘turn the other cheek’ doesn’t work then kill the man instead. Thanks Dru, but I prefer the original and authentic version, the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. And thank you for your concern for my well being, but you really needn’t worry, my place in heaven is already reserved.
You’re poor? I thought comedians got paid loads
Jacob,
Just wondering how you justify the following:
4 But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6 Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. (Rev. 2:4-6)
Here we have the church of Ephesus being told by Jesus himself that they had abandoned the Love they had at first and to repent, yet they are praised for their “HATE” for the works of the Nicolaitans. How do you explain this?
I would appreciate if you would answer this question in a normal way, instead of the “accustions” you bring. OH, and did you know, Satan is known as the Accuser of the saints?….it is his modus operandi that you are using here.
Obviously you did not understand my sarcasm above, so I will let that one slide.
You say “your place in heaven is already reserved”. I Pray You are right. Will you confess with your mouth The following: “Jesus is the Lord”. I will accept it if you can type it out as a verbal confession.
God bless.
Dru,
You are a tiresome fellow.Before I answer your question, I think I ought to start with a refresher course in basic English, for you and anyone else with language problems. I sometimes wonder if you people bother to read the words I write or just look at the shapes of the letters.
When a person says ‘Our Lord Jesus Christ’, as I have elsewhere and in my last post to you, this means that person is stating that Jesus Christ is Lord of not only of that person, but also the Lord of the people he is addressing.
Of course Jesus Christ is my Lord, and his Father God Almighty YHWH is his God and my God. Wake up!
You said in your last post:
“I would appreciate if you would answer this question in a normal way, instead of the “accustions” you bring. OH, and did you know, Satan is known as the Accuser of the saints?….it is his modus operandi that you are using here.”
Who’s doing the accusing here? Your own words have condemned you. And by your analogy, are you saying that I am Satan and you are the saint?? One reading of your posts will dismiss that notion like a puff of smoke. You are a funny guy.
What do I make of the Rev 2:4-6? Jesus hates the works or deeds of the Nicolaitans. Several ideas have been put forward as to the sin of the Nicolaitans and some clues may be derived from the early church fathers and perhaps even the meaning of the name. They may have been associated with sexual immorality, eating food sacrificed to idols, lording it over the laity, hearers of the word but not doers, diluting or compromising the word by introducing carnal (worldly) doctrines- but whatever the exact nature of their sin, they were certainly guilty of misinterpreting scripture and even twisting it to serve their own ends, claiming to be pious when in fact they brought the name Christian into disrepute.
jacob
you are contributing nothing of value here. You are an accuser, irregardless of what religion you say you are. Either be more polite, or leave.
Marianne
The same can be said for your blog posts, which, by the way, display a complete lack of understanding and are full of hate against anyone who disagrees with you. You should be ashamed. May the Lord rebuke you.
jacob
you have had your chance to be positive, but you are not willing. do not come back here. I have no hate, i have been more than tolerant.
Although your confessions above are commendable, you did not confess that “Jesus is the Lord”. Before I get accused as being a stickler for details, let me explain. All your confessions above address the superiority of Jesus to yourself and man. But to say that “Jesus is THE Lord” is to say that “Jesus is God” And fully so, from birth to death.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. (I corinthians 12:3)
Until you make this confession, you have no seat reserved in heaven.
Because it is only with this belief that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was permanent, and not just another temporary blood sacrifice, no different than the Lambs of the Old Testament.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. (James 2:19)
I suggest you show a little humility, and repent, for the fruit of your beliefs are showing. And your loyalties are revealed.
God bless
Dru,
For the sake of you and others like you, Jesus is Lord, Jesus is my Lord, Jesus is the Lord- I wouldn’t want to be accused of letting you and others fall because your faith is weak.
But let us be very clear.
Jesus is not God Almighty. That title is reserved for his Father Yahweh, his God and my God.
Do you believe they are the same person?
I’d be interested to hear your position
jacob and dru
the salvation of the Lord is evident in the fruit of the spirit.
good tree = good fruit
bad tree = bad fruit
If one claims with one’s mouth they know the Lord, but with their actions and other word contradict that claim, then the original claim is not true, even if the claimer believes it.
I believe that Jesus is God incarnate (In human form)
That is Love that we cannot comprehend. If Jesus is not God, then you worship 2 gods. 1+1=2, If Jesus is God, 1×1=1.
This is the problem muslims have with the trinity. They see 1+1+1=3, The triune God is 1x1x1=1, and 1/1/1=1 ad infinitum. Each part is fully God.
28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (John 20:28-29)
God bless, with that I will cease the discussion.
Dru,
The lie of the Roman Catholic Church’s Trinity Doctrine is one of the major reasons why muslims and others do not accept Christ.
Let’s see what the author John the Apostle had to say at the end of the chapter you quoted:
John 20:31 KJV
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Please read the following verses very carefully.
John 5:37 KJV
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
John 12:44-45 KJV
Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him who sent me. And he that seeth me, seeth him that sent me.
THIS IS WHAT JESUS MEANT IN:
John 14:8-9 KJV
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 6:38 KJV
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 5:30 KJV
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Psalm 110:1-5 NJB
1 Yahweh declared to my Lord, ‘Take your seat at my right hand, till I have made your enemies your footstool.’
2 Yahweh will stretch out the sceptre of your power; from Zion you will rule your foes all around you.
3 Royal dignity has been yours from the day of your birth, sacred honour from the womb, from the dawn of your youth.
4 Yahweh has sworn an oath he will never retract, you are a priest for ever of the order of Melchizedek.
5 At your right hand, Lord, he shatters kings when his anger breaks out.
John 17:3 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Revelation 3:21 KJV
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 KJV
9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Corinthians 15:23-28. KJV
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
John 8:16-18 KJV
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself,and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 14 KJV
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 14:10 KJV
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:20 KJV
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
John 14:28 KJV
I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
THEREFORE JESUS AND THE FATHER CANNOT BE THE SAME
Jacob
If I was you, I would try to have a better view of yourself. You have called me an idiot, who has no grasp of the english language, Yet this dunce over here just exposed you for who you are. To any Christian who is on this site, Who understands the test of the spirits will understand that you did not pass that test. So if I am a dunce, then that makes you a ……?
I am sorry if you cannot see this yet….truth be told. Ignorance is bliss.
In the words of Paul Harvey….”Gooood Day!”
To God be the Glory!
I agree. ..they are not the same
Jacob,
We are created in God’s image.
God has a soul, the Father.
God has a body, Jesus
God has a Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
All three, joined together in perfect unity, echad.
We have a soul, body and spirit.
All three joined together in perfect unity. Well, perfect until sin disrupted that unity and subjected the mind and spirit to the will of the flesh.
Just as it is our soul that makes the decisions and the body obeys, so the Father makes the decisions and the Son obeys. The body can do nothing without the mind telling it to do so. The Son can do nothing without the mind telling it to do so.
“Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.”
No one can hear our soul’s voice or see the soul’s shape. It can only be heard and seen through the physical body. We can only hear and see God through Jesus, the Word and the Flesh.
“He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him who sent me. And he that seeth me, seeth him that sent me.”
When you believe in a person, is it their body, or their soul that you are believing in? Obviously, you are believing in the soul. Jesus, the Word expresses God’s will to us, and by believing the Word, we are believing the One who gave it.
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” Jesus came down from Heaven to do the will of the Father. The purpose of the body is to do the soul’s will.
“Yahweh declared to my Lord, ‘Take your seat at my right hand, till I have made your enemies your footstool.’” The Father has given authority to the Son until His enemy, death, has been destroyed. Only God can destroy death. In order for death to be destroyed, God had to be manifest in the flesh to destroy the one who holds the power of death, Satan. He did this through the Cross.
“And this is life eternal, that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” Only God can give eternal life.
God gave us the physical, tangible creation to teach us spiritual things. He uses the analogy of husband and wife to teach us about the relationship between Jesus and His Church. He uses the analogy of father and son to teach is about the relationship between the Father and Son.
Just as a father and son are both human, so the Father and Son are both divine. God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit.
When we are united with Christ, we become His body, partaking of His divine nature.
The body is a mere representation of the soul, an outward container that houses the soul. Jesus human body was nothing more than a container in which God lived. The Bible describes this container as a “jar of clay.” In other words, made of the dust of the earth.
So , what you fail to understand is God Himself came to earth, housed in a human body, a mediator between God and man (which means he must represent BOTH parties. He must be BOTh human (His body) AND divine (His soul).
Throughout the entire Bible God teaches us about spiritual realities using our physical realities and everyday experiences. The Word of God is a parable, but it takes someone with the Holy Spirit to understand them.
Remember, Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I am.”
Sound familiar?
God will destroy Gaza when he is ready to do it. He may or may not use human effort to do it. In scirpture, God frequently uses opposing armies to bring down a nation or people
turn the other ceek, love our enemies etc is written to Jesus in this life. The new testament is written to him in this life. regarding turning the other ceek is a message to Jesus when he came to vatican. God says if they hit you don.t give back because they don’t like that he has lived in sin this life. jacobs sins in isaiah and jeremiah. we shall follow eye for an eye. our father will use fire and brimstones, earthquakes etc to destroy gaza.
@Adam
Have you been drinking?
yes, a lot of water.
adam unchained
ha funny….adam unchained!
You should hold off on the swedish meatballs with the Mushroom sauce. 🙂
Marianne,
Why is my comment on 4/24 at 12:41 “awaiting moderation?” What does that mean?
todd
I don’t know…..I just went in and fished you out…..always let me know and I will do this.
usually it gets held up when there are links included in the comment.
Toddott,
In response to your post of April 24, 2013 at 12:41 am,
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:20 KJV
A mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is One.
If the Father and the Son are the same person, then God has become the mediator of himself- clearly nonsense.
The Father and the Son had separate wills. The Son chose to follow the will of the Father. Therefore they are not the same person.
In John 8:24 and John 8:58, Jesus never said he was God Almighty. He stating he is the Christ. Please read the preceding chapters in the book of John and you will see that this is the case.
Dru
it it easter fasting right now which means 50 days without meat. And did
you know that a Swedish king imported meatballs from turkey when he was there. It is a turkish meal not swedish. And while a speak to you. I want to tell you that we have a soccer team in the highest league in sweden. The name of the team is Syrianic. We are only 40 000 people here but we have managed to advance our team to the highest leaugue.
Adam,
I was referring to the mushroom sauce not the meatballs. 🙂
Let me know when there is a Syrianic Hockey team in the Swedish Elite league, and then i will be impressed. Soccer is unimpressive in general to me.
Soccer is the biggest sport in Sweden 🙂
Yeah, I know, and there isn’t much ice skating going on in Syria, which makes a Syrianic hockey team all the more impressive. 😉
Dru, referring to your post of April 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm
I did not call you a ‘dunce’ or an ‘idiot’. You are a liar like your father the devil. You applied these words to yourself.
Like Marianne, who, as she says, does not hate anyone, but prefers to drop bombs on them as a gesture of her love, you will both die in your sins unless you change your ways and follow Jesus Christ.
Any doctrine which was enforced by murder, and resulted in the death of millions of innocents, should have set alarm bells ringing in your mind.
Your Triune God is a false God. By making the Father and the Son both equal to each other and one and the same person you have nullified them both. You have denied both the Father’s testimony about himself and the Son’s testimony about himself. You have denied them both and instead created a false god.Your are following an antichrist doctrine.
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. He is not the one true God, the Father Almighty. If you do not believe this, you will die in your sins.
I did say I was not going to comment again, But I am Jealous for my God, thus I cannot say nothing. I will let the readers decide, for like you say what you believe here will determine if you go to heaven or hell. (Colossians 2:9, John 1:1)
You may not have used the word dunce or idiot, but it was implied in your comments here, which are largely name calling and mockery.
Lets look at your math
If Jesus is less than God, say 7/8ths 1×7/8=7/8 or 1+7/8=1 7/8…gods
If all three are equal parts of the whole God, then God the Father is only 1/3 god.
The only math that makes God =1 is that either Jesus is no parts God, or that he is fully God. You either deny his divinity, or you accept the fullness of his divinity. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN it is a delusion.
No my conclusion is God the father is fully God
Jesus the Son is fully God
The Holy Spirit is fully God
thereby 1x1x1=1, and 1/1/1=1
You claim Jesus as Lord (Master), yet you say he is not God, who is your Master as well. Man cannot serve two masters, for you love the one and hate the other. Thus, if Jesus is not God, and you claim him as Master, you do not Love God the father, or if you claim God the Father as master, then you do not Love Jesus. There is no two ways about it. Pagans do not understand this argument, and what you believe is a mix of Paganism, pantheism, and Luciferianism.
And speaking of Luciferianism, it is with this deception that he (Lucifer) will ascend to his office as Antichrist, saying he is a greater angel than Jesus. Much like Islam believes the Mahdi will rule after Jesus leaves the scene, who is Just a prophet like Muhammad.
I will stand here right now, and confess with my mouth that Jesus is THE LORD, he was, and is and is to come.
God the Father is LORD, who was and is and is to come.
The Holy Spirit is LORD, who was and is and is to come.
They are Elohiym.
Will anyone else out there reading this join in doing this as well? “For in Him (Jesus) the whole fullness of Deity dwells bodily” (Col 2:9)
You MUST pick a side on this one.
Dru,
I gave you my full answers already in my previous posts. The Roman Catholic Trinity doctrine is antichrist. Please read my posts again.
What does Jesus Christ say?
John 17:3 KJV
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
But you say:
” No my conclusion is God the father is fully God
Jesus the Son is fully God ”
and you also said:
” You claim Jesus as Lord (Master), yet you say he is not God, who is your Master as well. Man cannot serve two masters, for you love the one and hate the other. Thus, if Jesus is not God, and you claim him as Master, you do not Love God the father.”
Well, let’s see what Jesus Christ says on another occasion (I’ve used capitalisation for emphasis):
John 5:22-24 KJV
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 ALL MEN SHOULD HONOUR THE SON, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father WHICH HATH SENT HIM.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH ON HIM THAT SENT ME, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
This is quite consistent with my calling Jesus my Lord and my calling God my Father.
In fact, the Apostle Paul also agrees – would you like to argue with him also?:
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 KJV
And that is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, but to us THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER of whom are all things and we in him, AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things and we by him.
Romans 1:7 KJV
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, AND the Lord Jesus Christ.
Or perhaps you’d like to argue with the Apostle James?
James 1:1 KJV
1 James, A SERVANT OF GOD AND OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
So, James cannot serve two masters?? Perhaps you should tell him.
How about the Apostle John, want to argue with him?:
2 John 1:3 KJV
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, FROM GOD THE FATHER, AND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Or the Apostle Peter?
1 Peter 1:3 KJV
3 Blessed be the GOD AND FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
2 Peter 1:2 KJV
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge OF GOD, AND OF JESUS OUR LORD,
Shall I go on?
You said:
“…Jesus is THE LORD, he was, and is and is to come.
God the Father is LORD, who was and is and is to come.”
The Bible says:
Revelation 1:4-5 KJV
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, FROM HIM WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 AND from Jesus Christ, WHO IS THE FAITHFUL WITNESS, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the PRINCE of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Verse 4 refers to God the Father Almighty and not to Jesus. The title ‘which is, and which was, and which is to come’ is never given to Jesus in the Bible, but only the Father God Almighty:
Revelation 1:8 KJV
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME, the Almighty.
The title given to Jesus is:
Revelation 1:18 KJV
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
which is consistent with verse 5 ‘the first begotten of the dead’.
Let’s remember, when Revelation was written, Jesus had already ascended to heaven to the right hand of the Father.
Revelation 1:1KJV
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
Dru, will you now admit that you have misrepresented the Gospels, or do you still maintain that you are following them?
Dru/Reader,
Firstly, thanks to Marianne for permitting me to answer your question.
I hope no one is offended by my post, that is not my intention. I merely wish to provoke serious thought on critical issues, the importance of which should never be under estimated. I may be asking searching questions and providing answers- not with the intention of point scoring- but for enlightenment. With that in mind,
Dru,
I gave you my full answers already in my previous posts. The Roman Catholic Trinity Doctrine is antichrist. Please read my posts again.
What does Jesus Christ say?
John 17:3 KJV
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
But you say:
” No my conclusion is God the father is fully God
Jesus the Son is fully God ”
and you also said:
” You claim Jesus as Lord (Master), yet you say he is not God, who is your Master as well. Man cannot serve two masters, for you love the one and hate the other. Thus, if Jesus is not God, and you claim him as Master, you do not Love God the father.”
Well, let’s see what Jesus Christ says on another occasion (I’ve used capitalisation for emphasis):
John 5:22-24 KJV
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 ALL MEN SHOULD HONOUR THE SON, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father WHICH HATH SENT HIM.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH ON HIM THAT SENT ME, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
This is quite consistent with my calling Jesus my Lord and my calling God my Father.
In fact, the Apostle Paul also agrees :
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 KJV
And that is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, but to us THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER of whom are all things and we in him, AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things and we by him.
Romans 1:7 KJV
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, AND the Lord Jesus Christ.
So does the Apostle James:
James 1:1 KJV
1 James, A SERVANT OF GOD AND OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
So, James cannot serve two masters??
The Apostle John also agrees:
2 John 1:3 KJV
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, FROM GOD THE FATHER, AND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
So does the Apostle Peter:
1 Peter 1:3 KJV
3 Blessed be the GOD AND FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
2 Peter 1:2 KJV
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge OF GOD, AND OF JESUS OUR LORD,
There’s lots more if required, but I think I have made my point.
You said:
“…Jesus is THE LORD, he was, and is and is to come.
God the Father is LORD, who was and is and is to come.”
The Bible says:
Revelation 1:4-5 KJV
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, FROM HIM WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 AND from Jesus Christ, WHO IS THE FAITHFUL WITNESS, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the PRINCE of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Verse 4 refers to God the Father Almighty and not to Jesus. The title ‘which is, and which was, and which is to come’ is never given to Jesus in the Bible, but only the Father God Almighty:
Revelation 1:8 KJV
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME, the Almighty.
The title given to Jesus is:
Revelation 1:18 KJV
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
which is consistent with verse 5 ‘the first begotten of the dead’.
Let’s remember, at this time Jesus had already ascended to heaven to the right hand of the Father.
Revelation 1:1KJV
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
Dru, will you agree that I have not misrepresented the Gospels?
Jacob,
YOU SAID: “I did not call you a ‘dunce’ or an ‘idiot’.
I SAY: Really? Did you forget these comments?
“You have less intelligence than I originally gave you credit for -and that was negligible. I hope you do find some.”
“You are a tiresome fellow.Before I answer your question, I think I ought to start with a refresher course in basic English, for you and anyone else with language problems.”
Anyway, let me ask you one more time. “If someone was threatening to kill you, would you stand by passively and let him, or would you fight back?
Toddott,
To answer your question, I sincerely hope that I have the courage to follow the Lord’s command, and not strike back. I hope I would have the courage to give my life for others if it saved theirs.
Of course, it would be much easier to strike back-I am human, not God- but the issue under discussion was if it was permissible for those CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN to advocate the use of force by CHRISTIANS. It is not.
Jesus commands us to put down the sword. I would be a liar if I said otherwise.
John the Baptist also made this clear:
Luke 3:14 KJV
14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
The Roman soldiers at the time who converted to Christ understood this in this manner also- they refused to fight and were executed for it. Please do some historical research on this, it is enlightening.
Now that you know Jesus commands this, what is your position?
Do you understand now why I gave the example from Genesis?
jacob
dont’ you think jesus was referring to offensive actions, as opposed to self defense.
there is a difference between initiating an offensive and defending oneself , once one is in danger
Marianne,
The whole purpose of Jesus requesting his disciples to carry swords was to clearly show mankind once and for all, that in a confrontation a Christian must not fight.
in this situation, Jesus was forcibly arrested. His disciples tried to intervene- they were defending their Lord, and even themselves- they were fearful of the Romans and they knew there would only be one outcome of the arrest, and so did Christ- yet he used this occasion to show his true nature, his obedience to God.
Christians throughout the first three centuries knew this and did not go to war. This is a fact. It’s a tough commandment, I know, but if we are honest with ourselves, this is the case.
Irenaeus 180AD (disciple of Polycarp, disciple of the apostle John):
“For the Christians have changed their swords and their lances into instruments of peace, and they know not how to fight”
Justin Martyr 150AD “That the prophecy is fulfilled, you have good reason to believe, for we, who in times past killed one another, do not now fight with our enemies.”26 “We, who had been filled with war and mutual slaughter and every wickedness, have each one-all the world over-changed the instruments of war, the swords into plows and the spears into farming implements, and we cultivate piety, righteousness, love for men, faith, (and) the hope which is from Father Himself through the Crucified One.”
Some more from the early church fathers:Hippolytus, 170-236 A.D.:
“A soldier, being inferior in rank to God, must not kill anyone. If ordered to, he must not carry out the order, nor may he take an oath to do so. If he does not accept this, let him be dismissed from the church. Anyone bearing the power of the sword, or any city magistrate, who wears purple, let him cease from wearing it at once or be dismissed from the church. Any catechumen or believer who wishes to become a soldier must be dismissed from the church because they have despised God.”
jacob
I think you are taking man’s opinion and interpretation, and making it scripture.
Jesus also said
While “blessed are the peace makers,” sometimes peaceful methods do not work, and one has to resort to self defense.
I agree with the above, that we should strive for peace…
but there is a passage….( sorry I cannot find it right now)….that also says we should strive at all times to live peaceably with all men, if possible…..indicating that there are times when peace is not possible.
ok….I found it
So, sometimes, peace is not possible.
Marianne,
The sword Christ speaks of is the convicting sword of the spirit, the sword of Truth:
Matthew 10:34-40 KJV
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
As the ApostlePaul confirms (I’ve used capitalisation for emphasis):
Ephesians 6:11-20 KJV
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, AND THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, which is the WORD OF GOD:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Marianne,
Sorry, I forgot about your last point.
Romans 12:17-21 KJV
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good
Clearly, when placed in context, the overriding message is one of non- violence. Verse 18 is shown as a concession, not as the best way.
jacob
self defense is not about returning evil for evil.
that is vengeance.
self defense is PREVENTING evil or STOPPING it from spreading.
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by the way, I think you are doing much better in presenting your arguments in a academic format now.
Marianne,
Again, I ask you to examine the scene of Christ’s arrest. Some of the disciples thought they were doing what you just stated- acting in self defence, preventing evil and stopping it from spreading. Our Lord Jesus Christ showed them that using the sword is not the way.
Again, what does Paul mean by ‘Peace’ in vs 18, context Romans 12:17-21 in my previous post ?
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Jesus gives us the bounds:
Matthew 5:22 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Cambridge Ed.)
What do think he would say then, if one ignores his command to put down the sword, and teaches others that the use of the sword is permissible?
It therefore has to be tempered by the command of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Matthew 26:52 KJV
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.(Cambridge Ed.)
Thank you.
Jacob,
No, the issue under discussion was whether Israel has the right to defend itself against those who wish to anihilate her.
You are condemning all of us who believe they have that right, and yet you “hope” you would have courage to give your life?
And you haven’t answered my question. I’m not talking about “giving” your life for others. I’m asking you if you would fight back if someone was trying to kill you. So let me ask again:
If someone was trying to kill you would you stand ther passively and let them, or would you fight back?
Jesus, is talking about personal vengeance, not about nations defending themselves against destruction.
Toddott,
No, the issue was exactly as I stated.
I also fully understood the import of your question and the following was given in answer to it.
I said:
“To answer your question, I sincerely hope that I have the courage to follow the Lord’s command, and not strike back. I hope I would have the courage to give my life for others if it saved theirs”.
Which part did you not understand?
Regarding your last comment:
“Jesus, is talking about personal vengeance, not about nations defending themselves against destruction.”
If I am not mistaken, a nation is made up of individuals. All Christ’s commandments carry a personal responsibility for the indivudual.
Remember, we are to ‘obey God, not men.’ when man’s laws come into conflict with God’s Laws.
However, another way of settling the discussion would be to look at what the early church of the first three centuries thought on the issue. If you are interested, I have posted a reply to Marianne’s question, where I provide the opinion of two early church fathers, people who had actually conversed with the first disciples of the Apostles.
Jacob,
And about this comment: “I hope no one is offended by my post, that is not my intention. I merely wish to provoke serious thought on critical issues, the importance of which should never be under estimated. I may be asking searching questions and providing answers- not with the intention of point scoring- but for enlightenment.”
Telling people they have “negligible intelligence” and that they are going to hell because they don’t believe what you believe does not provoke serious thought. It is rude, inconsiderate and does not reflect the Lord you claim to serve, and it destroys all credibility your words would otherwise have.
todd
I think he is trying to be more positive.
I think so, too. I think he realized how rude he was being. I was just letting him know that that is not the way you get people to listen.
Toddcott,
I am sorry you were offended
Toddott,
Sorry also for spelling your name wrong.
Did you agree with my response to Dru on April 24, 2013 at 9:12 pm?
Jacob,
I was not offended. I am not easily offended. (These blogs are difficult because it’s impossible to know people’s attitudes, feelings, emotions because we don’t see facial expressions or the tone of the voice.) I just wanted to to realize that being rude and abusive is not Christlike, and does nothing but discredit all your claims of love for others. People are usually repelled by hypocrisy.
As for the spelling of my name, I’m going to have a new one soon, so it doesn’t matter.
In response to a few posts:
Self-defense prevents and restrains evil. Let me ask my question in another way. ( I re-asked the previous question because I believed your answer, “I hope…” made all your talk seem hollow and without substance.)
Suppose the intruder intended to break into the home, sexually and physically assault them and then murder each family member. Surely that would be evil. Now suppose the husband/father stopped the intruder by the use of physical force. Evil would have been restrained. Would he have been disobeying Jesus by doing so?
Some people wont stand up and defend themselves because they believe that it would be wrong to do so, and they will allow some of the most horrible atrocities to take place while they stand by and talk about the love of Jesus.
To believe that we should not defend and fight against wicked people who would rape, rob and murder is anything but loving.
YOU SAID: Jesus commands us to put down the sword. I would be a liar if I said otherwise.
John the Baptist also made this clear:
“And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages,” (Luke 3:14).
I SAY:
The Greek word translated violence is
“diaseio” and it means:
1) to shake thoroughly
2) to make to tremble
3) to terrify
4) to agitate
5) to extort from one by intimidation money or other property
It has absolutely nothing to do with physical violence; it is a poor translation. John was telling them to do their jobs without abusing their positions of authority by using fear and intimidation unjustly.
John didn’t condemn the soldier’s profession, which included killing people in war and defense of the empire. In fact, in Romans 13:3-4 we read that the government is an agent to do good and it was given the sword for a purpose. The context allows for capital punishment as well as military interventions. First Peter 2:13-14 echoes this passage.
Romans 12:21 instructs the church to overcome evil with good. In most cases that might included living righteously so that unrighteous living is overshadowed, but at times doing good to overcome evil requires military force. What would have happened had the world allowed the evil of Hitler to continue? Al Qaeda? Consider what MacArthur says:
“Not to restrain evil is neither just nor kind. It fails to protect the innocent and has the effect of encouraging the wicked in their evil. Proper restraint of evil, however, not only is just but is beneficent as well.”
Your belief is an opinion. And do you know why you’re allowed to have that opinion? Because men like General Patton kicked down the tyrants’ doors to maintain the freedom for pacifist doves like you to fly around cooing “peace, peace” when you did nothing to produce that peace. National defense, like self-defense is not wrong—it is right.
Some of the early champions of the faith such as Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther (who said, “without armaments peace cannot be kept; wars are waged not only to repel injustice but also to establish a firm peace”), and John Calvin have weighed in on this topic. He said war and self defense are acceptable but must be the absolutely last option.
Every year hundreds of thousand of Christians are murdered by Islam, and Islam is attempting to annihilate all Christians and Jews. In your self-righteous condemnation of Israel, you fail to realize that they are restraining an evil that plans to conquer the world for Allah (Satan). Many more innocent Jewish lives have been lost than Arab or Palestinian. And that is because the coward terrorist hide amongst the innocent, using them as human shields. We as Christian grieve for anyone who dies, but to ignore it and turn the other cheek will only result in multitudes more dying.
As for the comment you forgot, “Romans 12:17-21 KJV.”
Again, this is talking about personal vengeance, not a defensive war.
The Book of Ecclesiastes tells us that there is
“A time to kill, and a time to heal..
A time to love and a time to hate.
A time for war and a time for peace.
Biblical law also allows for killing in personal self-defense.
“If a thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed” (Exodus 22:2).
The Book of Hebrews says:
“How much more do I need to say? It would take too long to recount the stories of the faith of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, and all the prophets. By faith these people overthrew kingdoms, ruled with justice, and received what God had promised them. They shut the mouths of lions, quenched the flames of fire, and escaped death by the edge of the sword. Their weakness was turned to strength. They became strong in battle and put whole armies to flight” (Hebrews 11).
In all the examples in the Gospels, Christ or His disciples never told a soldier to not fight or not kill in time of war or self-defense. They had many opportunities to make the point if they wanted to make it. They did not.
Jesus told Peter to put up his sword when he cut off the servant’s ear during His arrest in the Garden; however, Christ was clearly saying that His time had come for Him to die for man’s sins, so Peter was not to attempt to stop what must take place. Jesus didn’t want Peter to prevent his arrest because it was time for Him to be “numbered with the transgressors” in fulfillment of prophecy.
As for your comment to Marianne about Matthew 22.
YOU SAID: “The sword Christ speaks of is the convicting sword of the spirit, the sword of Truth”
I SAY: Look at the context. The verse is not meant to be spiritualized. It is literal.
“Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves. But beware! For you will be handed over to the courts and will be flogged with whips in the synagogues. You will stand trial before governors and kings because you are my followers. But this will be your opportunity to tell the rulers and other unbelievers about me. When you are arrested, don’t worry about how to respond or what to say. God will give you the right words at the right time. For it is not you who will be speaking—it will be the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
“A brother will betray his brother to death, a father will betray his own child, and children will rebel against their parents and cause them to be killed. And all nations will hate you because you are my followers. But everyone who endures to the end will be saved. When you are persecuted in one town, flee to the next. I tell you the truth, the Son of Man will return before you have reached all the towns of Israel…
“Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword.
‘I have come to set a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
Your enemies will be right in your own household!’
As for your post to Dru, no I do not agree.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9).
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this” (Isaiah 9:6).
“In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth… And GOD SAID…” ( Genesis 1 ).
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God…”
“All things WERE MADE (created ) by HIM ( the Word ); and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1 ).
God created the heavens and the earth. Jesus the Word created everything that has been made. Jesus is God.
Though Jesus has MANY other roles and titles, which you clearly showed, He is still, as the Son of God, God. (Just as the son of a human, is human).
Toddott,
Firstly, don’t you think you are being hypocritical by calling me self-righteous?-I think that is a false statement and very rude-that is just your opinion after all, and I thought you implied from your previous posts that it is totally unchristian to dishonour another believer?
Now, let’s be sensible about this. I am not suggesting that if we see a child being molested or a person being beaten up, raped or robbed, that we do not intervene. What I am saying is that we should not kill the offender. If we lose our life in the process, whether we are successful or not in the end, we did our best. If I had a gun, in the absence of pepper spray, and I saw a man trying to rape/murder a person and if I felt I could not over power the man even after repeated warnings, I would aim to shoot him in the leg or arm only to injure him so that I could over power him and have him arrested. Please, no one is suggesting that we take leave of common sense!
You quote from my last post:
Jesus commands us to put down the sword. I would be a liar if I said otherwise.
John the Baptist also made this clear:
“And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages,” (Luke 3:14).
Toddott, you say:
“The Greek word translated violence is
“diaseio” and it means:
1) to shake thoroughly
2) to make to tremble
3) to terrify
4) to agitate
5) to extort from one by intimidation money or other property”
It has absolutely nothing to do with physical violence; it is a poor translation. John was telling them to do their jobs without abusing their positions of authority by using fear and intimidation unjustly.”
Well, let’s examine your claim this shall we?
You say it’s a poor translation. Not so, I say it is correct. I say that John ultimately left the thinking Christian no option but to exit the military. You have forgotten that Christians are to bless and not persecute the enemy, instead that they are to offer the other cheek. I will prove that your own translation is faulty:
Firstly, you have provided your five ALTERNATIVE meanings of the Greek word. If the first four points show that merely to ‘ shake thoroughly/make to tremble/terrify/agitate’ is prohibited- then how can you say, by any stretch of the imagination, that a soldier can kill? Surely killing is far more serious than the former, and yet they are prohibited?
But Point 5 says that we may not extort from one by intimidation money or other property.
The word extortion means to use force/threats to extract, usually money/property from someone illegally – so what is your translation saying?, that we may extort from someone without intimidation? We are not to extort from anyone anyway, so your translation itself is faulty.
For your information, these all agree with the KJV (1611):
KJV Cambridge Edition
KJV 2000
Young’s Literal
Douay Rheims
Noah Websters Bible
Darby’s English
Bible In Plain English
ASV
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Aramaic Bible In Plain English
God’s word (1995) English Revised Version
You mention Augustine and Calvin – irrelevant. They overturned centuries of early church teaching direct from the apostles of non violence.
Quoting Old Testament conquests is pointless,-Jesus brought in the new covenant.
You said, “Jesus told Peter to put up his sword when he cut off the servant’s ear during His arrest in the Garden; however, Christ was clearly saying that His time had come for Him to die for man’s sins, so Peter was not to attempt to stop what must take place.”
I say, then why did Jesus say ‘All THOSE who take up the sword will perish by the sword?’, – if he only meant Peter?
You said:
“As for your comment to Marianne about Matthew 22.
YOU SAID: “The sword Christ speaks of is the convicting sword of the spirit, the sword of Truth”
I SAY: Look at the context. The verse is not meant to be spiritualized. It is literal.”
And who says it is not meant to be spiritualised? Provide proof!
The context you provide- Matthew 22- has got nothing to do with the literal use of the sword. Check it again .The correct context is what I provided Marianne, Ephesians 6:12-20, which Paul explains THOROUGHLY. Or are you saying that Jesus wants the literal sword to be used between father and son, daughter and mother??
You say: “As for your post to Dru, no I do not agree.”
Can you tell me which part? I gave the exact response from the Bible, not from some made up, totally unbiblical and shockingly bad math logic. Please, can you show me where Dru’s logic can be found in the Bible, chapter and verse?
Your last statement where you said “Though Jesus has MANY other roles and titles, which you clearly showed, He is still, as the Son of God, God. (Just as the son of a human, is human).”
I am not disputing that he is not divine- he has a divine origin- and he can be called a ‘god’, and so can we be known as ‘gods’, as adopted children of God only, and we would be much less mighty- what I have been saying is that he is NOT God Almighty The True God is the Father Almighty.
my impression of taking up the sword is one of living by the sword, that is it is a lifestyle behavior, and so would merit being treated or punished with the sword in return.
I do not equate this with someone needing to defend oneself or family.
of course, we should use wisdom and restraint and use equal force…..if they just hit us, then we should hit or push back , not shoot them in the head….but if they are armed and dangerous and intend to kill us, then we have no choice but to shoot back to kill.
Marianne,
Doesn’t a soldier live by the sword?
jacob
yes and no…..a lot depends on his government….
he is to use the sword to protect his homeland and people.
he should not use it to inflict evil on others
Marianne,
All I know for certain, an undisputed fact, is that Christ, the Apostles and the early church never went to war, never took up arms, never encouraged any follower to fight. they never encouraged armed revolution- ie war- eventhough they witnessed intense suffering and injustice around them.They could have, but they did not.Jesus Christ clearly gave the command for his followers to put down the sword. As a sincere believer seeking the truth, for me, I cannot ignore these facts.
jacob
they lived during a time of peace, called the pax romano. there was no war to go to.
Marianne,
In reply to your post of April 26, 2013 at 8:39 am:
You say “they lived during a time of peace, called the pax romano. there was no war to go to.”
The Pax Romano was there, but you have forgotten your history.Have you forgotten about the execution of Paul and Peter, not to mention the other apostles? John was exiled to Patmos.He could have called for rebellion. The christian followers of the murdered apostles could have taken up arms like Jesus Barabbas, the zealot who was imprisoned at the time of Jesus. Christians were no longer permitted to enter the synagogue.You have forgotten about the first Jewish-Roman wars. What about the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple in AD70? An excellent reason for Jews to start a war- they are even now prepared to fight for it. Remember, the first christians were Jewish. They however, did not fight.Jews were butchered and banished.What about the fall of Masada in AD 73?
What about Nero and his persecution of christians in AD 64?
Have a read of what Tacitus, a Roman historian who lived at the times of the persecution, says in his book Annals:
“Therefore, to stop the rumor [that he had set Rome on fire], he [Emperor Nero] falsely charged with guilt, and punished with the most fearful tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were [generally] hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of that name, was put to death as a criminal by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea, in the reign of Tiberius, but the pernicious superstition – repressed for a time, broke out yet again, not only through Judea, – where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, whither all things horrible and disgraceful flow from all quarters, as to a common receptacle, and where they are encouraged. Accordingly first those were arrested who confessed they were Christians; next on their information, a vast multitude were convicted, not so much on the charge of burning the city, as of “hating the human race.”
In their very deaths they were made the subjects of sport: for they were covered with the hides of wild beasts, and worried to death by dogs, or nailed to crosses, or set fire to, and when the day waned, burned to serve for the evening lights. Nero offered his own garden players for the spectacle, and exhibited a Circensian game, indiscriminately mingling with the common people in the dress of a charioteer, or else standing in his chariot. For this cause a feeling of compassion arose towards the sufferers, though guilty and deserving of exemplary capital punishment, because they seemed not to be cut off for the public good, but were victims of the ferocity of one man.”
Still yet, christians did not harbour vengeance.
Peaceful times? Hardly.
the christians and jews were a conquered people.
they had no weapons , expcept maybe sticks and stones, to use against a more powerful enemy, and conqueror.
fighting back would only have gotten them killed quicker
Marianne,
Well, I think you need to make up your mind. First you say there was peace, then you say they were a conquered people so they could not fight. However, history cannot be altered. To be a conquered people there must have been war in the first place- and there was. The fact is, the siege of Jerusalem was one of the bloodiest periods in Jewish history. Josephus and Tacitus both come up with figures between 600,000 to 1,000,000. The Jews were at war with the Romans. Masada was under siege and was taken. Christians were massacred in the tens of thousands.
It seems to me that you are just making up excuses because you have for a long time held the view that one should retaliate, and so therefore you are trying to justify your own position.
The Christians did not fight back because they believed the fulfilment of the prophecy of Isaiah could only be brought about by following the commands of their Lord Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 2:4 KJV
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Jesus says:
Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 KJV
[38] Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
In the Isaiah prophecy, we see that God will REBUKE the people for going to war and would make them put down their weapons.Under the New Covenant, it is not Gods will for His people to fight.
This is confirmed in Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 above, where Jesus actually states the traditional Mosaic law which permits retaliation but then goes on to say that he prohibits it.
Verses 44-45 are the clearest possible statement of his will, that there is to be no violence- and this was to be the distinguishing feature of his doctrine, the distinguishing trait of the Christian, ‘That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven’. To deny this is to close one’s eyes and one’s mind to his message.
see below for further comments
Toddott,
Isaiah 9:6. You should know of course that the term ‘mighty God’ does not mean the ‘Almighty God’ it can even mean mighty power, mighty one or mighty man, and the older translations do not use the same words as yours. As you may be aware, there are several translations for Isaiah 9:6, the one most probably used by Jesus in his time was the LXX, the text translated by Jewish scholars into Greek:
The Septuagint LXX Isaiah 9:6 Brenton’s translation :
For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.
7:His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom, to establish it and support it with judgment and with righteousness from henceforth and forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts shall perform this.
The word Aggelos meaning the Angel or Messenger of Great Counsel
It is revealing to note that none of the new testament writers quote these verses- if they existed in the form ofyour translation at the time, then it was a staggering omission on their part, especially if as the Trinitarian claims, they are proof that Jesus is the Almighty, eventhough Matthew quotes preceding verses from Isaiah (compare Matthew 4:13-16; Isaiah 9:1-2)
Irenaeus also only knew the LXX version
Toddott,
Re. your last post, Col.2:9 In him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead/Deity bodily
This is just another example of RC Trinitarian ‘pick and mix’ theology , where 2 and 2 makes 5, or anything else but sound exegesis. Toddott, Satan uses all his tricks to try and deceive the believer by trying to alter the meaning of this verse. It means EXACTLY what it says, no more, no less. There is absolutely no way at all that the Roman Catholic Trinity Doctrine can be derived from this.
Let me show you.
The person who believes this to be referring to the Roman Catholic Trinity Doctrine should ask themselves why they ignored the following verses- surely Jesus Christ himself would know if he was a member of the RC Trinity or not?: (I have capitalised for emphasis)
John 14:10 KJV
10 Believest thou not that I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IN ME? the words that I speak unto you I SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF: but the Father that DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS.
John 2:19 KJV Cambridge Ed.
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this TEMPLE, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 20:17 KJV
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 14:28 KJV
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said,I GO UNTO THE FATHER: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I
To sum up, all Paul says confirms what Jesus says- that God dwells in him. He says that it is not himself who is speaking his own words, they are his Father’s words; he is not doing the miracles, it is God the Father living inside him doing the miracles.
This is consistent with his other statements above, that God the Father is GREATER than he is, that Jesus is God’s TEMPLE- therefore he CANNOT BE GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF!, just as we are God’s temple, and God resides in us.
Jesus goes on to say that he is going to the Father who is his God and our God.
All of this is entirely consistent with saying that ‘in Christ the fullness of God dwells, and the exact meaning of this is provided by the verses stated.
It is typical of the RC Trinitarian to pick verses in isolation, and twist their meaning to suit their mistaken belief.
As for your citing John 1:1, there are many translations which state not ‘the word was THE god’ but ‘the word was A god’. And this is consistent with the rest of scripture, which never contradicts itself.
The trinity is not a catholic doctrine, but dates back to apostolic times.
Ignatius used the following phrases in his writings before his death in 107 AD, long before the catholic church existed. He is one generation removed from the apostles.
“The blood of God,”
“The only true God,”
“The only-begotten Son and Word, before time began,”
“Our Lord and God, Jesus Christ,”
“God being manifested as a man, and man displaying power as God,”
“Our God, Jesus Christ (several repetitions and variations),”
“One God,”
“His eternal Word,”
“Jesus Christ His Son, who is His Word, not spoken but essential.
For He is not the voice of an articulate utterance, but a substance
begotten by divine power,”
“God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ, His Son, with the co-
operation of the Spirit,”
“God the Word,” and
“God incarnate.”
Clemente of Rome, a contemporary of the apostles also wrote of this Doctrine in his letter to the corinthians.
Ignatius, Tertulian, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, all were believers of this doctrine, and all preceded the Catholic church, the council of Nicea, and Constantine by a hundred or more years.
Scarletthread,
The people you mention speak of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit because they are mentioned in the Bible, but they do not speak of them as being co-equal and co-eternal etc, i.e the usual RC definition, which was developed in fourth century, and they do not mention the word trinity, at least not in the sense of the Roman Catholic definition. It would be useful if you gave your reference sources and if you could paste their actual statements.
Tertullian wrote this circa 208 AD, a full 100 years before constantine. He is the first person to use the word “trinitas” to describe the Godhead. Note the first section especially.
http://earlychristianwritings.com/text/tertullian17.html
In the earlier writings it was presented as an “understood doctrine” among those with the Holy Ghost. Such as Clement of Rome (Ca 97 AD), a contemporary and disciple of Peter, who wrote in his second epistle to the Corinthians, the very first line; “1. Brethren, we ought so to think of Jesus Christ as of God as of the judge of the living and the dead; nor should we think any less of our salvation.”
Ignatius in his letter to Smyrna, started his epistle this way;
” 1:1 I give glory to Jesus Christ the God who
bestowed such wisdom upon you; for I have perceived
that ye are established in faith immovable, being as
it were nailed on the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ,
in flesh and in spirit, and firmly grounded in love in
the blood of Christ, fully persuaded as touching our
Lord that He is truly of the race of David according
to the flesh, but Son of God by the Divine will and
power, truly born of a virgin and baptized by John
that _all righteousness might be fulfilled_ ”
Now I could give you hundreds more but won’t bore you.
Where Many a scholar makes a mistake on the deity of Jesus is the assumption that Jesus is “unbegotten”, but rather God the Father is the only unbegotten part of the trinity. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, The Word made flesh. God the father spoke his Word “in the beginning”. As the Word of Father God, he is in substance God, just as your spoken word is the very substance of who you are. Since God is truth, his spoken word is truth. Since God is Just, his word is Just. Since God is love, his word is love. You should get the point. You cannot separate the Word from the one who Spoke the word. They are one. Yet totally unique.
To say the trinity is a roman catholic doctrine brought in by constantine is flat out wrong. Though the term “catholic church” is used by Tertullian in the link above, this was a generic term used to describe the one church, of which the doctrine of Jesus divinity was front and center. This doctrine has survived in all churches throughout history, despite satan’s attempts to corrupt it. In these final years he is using the tactic of hatred of the RC church by protestents to make people think this is part of roman paganism, which it is clearly not. Even all the protestent reformers knew the importance and authenticity of this doctrine, thus they did not discard it with the rest of roman catholic ritualism and indulgences. The Holy Ghost protects this doctrine. Those who have the Holy Ghost “know” it is true.
Now the strongest confirmation of the deity of Jesus is found in Revelation of all places in the bible. Jesus himself says; ” I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” [Revelation 22:16] Jesus here is saying he is both the source of David’s life, and a decendent of David, thus he is affirming his divinity and his humanity. The root of the tree is the very foundation of the tree. Gentile believers are said to be branches grafted in by Paul. Jesus himself also said “I am the vine, you are the branches”, But here he actually says he is not just the vine, but the root. This is a powerful testimony, one which you would be wise to heed.
Scarletthread,
Apart from the fact that Tertullian was excommunicated from the Church and was a Charismatic Montanist, his actual statements merely note the fact that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are mentioned in the Bible. As for your other statements, if you read my other posts, you will see that the quotes you provide do not differ from anything I have said. However, from none of them can be derived the RC doctrine of the Trinity.The RC Trinity doctrine is antichrist, as I have explained in my posts.
I direct you to my response to Dru on April 23,2013 at 4.42pm and at 5.26pm and my response to Toddott on April 25,2013 at 8.28am.
Please read all the chapters of Irenaeus. There is nothing that resembles the RC doctrine of the Trinity.The same can be said for Polycarp, disciple of John the Apostle.
Scarletthread,
Sorry, I think I directed you to the wrong post by mistake- not April 23,2013 at 5.26pm, but April 24,2013 at 5.54 am, and please see also in addition to the others, April 24, 2013 at 9.12 pm, April 25, 2013 at 4.20pm, and April 26, 2013 at 5.50 am
Guyz you should fear God and stop spreading wrong about islam
There is nothing like 666 or where its mentioned that it is the code to enter heaven in the holy Quran
secondly chapter 111 has 5 verses and not 6 as you claim
thirdly our holy Quran has 6666 verses and not 666
Abdi
Sorry. I used a muslim site for the information. I put the references above. Maybe you should contact them and tell them to correct their content.
As I explained above, the number 666 has no significance as a number……when John wrote that in Greek, the “number” looked like “bismallah.”
see video
The Holy Koran? Which part? Perhaps, tha part that states Jews are from monkeys, and pigs, or the part where Muhammad murdered, and raped.
The Koran, if you bothered to read it, is nothing more than the written account of a mad man, A man of this world system.
Hi all,
I have just finished re-translating the text of Daniel 11:37,38. from the Hebrew to a more contemporary English vernacular, and thought that this would be as good a place as any to post it.
This re-translation, (suggests to me at least), that the AC will be Muslim.
The context is that of an Angel revealing to Daniel what it is that is going to occur, so if we take the transliterated Hebrew “ ‘ab ” meaning “Father or God as Father of His people” it could either be rendered as, “God the Father of His people, or God the Father”. Also, the context of the text within verse 37 is that of having “no regard or reverence”, therefore “nor the desire for woman” must also be translated within that same vein, and would suggest that of “Sharia Law”.
Verse 38 within this re-translation now also ties in with that of 1 Thessalonians 5:3.
37- Neither will he have regard or reverence for God our Father, nor desire [regard or reverence] for women, or regard any god. For he will magnify himself above all.
38- But he in his weighty position of control will be honoured as a god of safety and as a stronghold. A false god that your fathers knew not shall they honor, with gold, silver, precious jewels and metals, and every desired thing.
So because the beast will rule the earth and be considered to be God, (with the people being under delusion, 2 Thess. 2:11.), they will worship and honour him with all of the riches of the world. This is how Babylon the city becomes as wealthy as it does.
Be Blessed in Yeshua our KING of Glory and Righteousness.
Amen.
jacob
I am not inconsistent. the roman peace was in effect. the war was over when christ was ministering. the romans still ruled after that. outside of a few skirmishes, there was no war, and again, the christians had no weapons anyhow.
just because some jews tried and failed does not mean there was outright war.
I NEVER said I advocated retaliation.
I have repeatedly referred to self defense, and fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen.
the scriptures are against attacking others for evil reasons. they are not agaisnt self defense.
Marianne,
2 Corinthians 10:1-6 KJV
10 Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:
2 But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
The Apostles never used the sword. they were obedient to Christ’s commands. The weapons of the Christian are not physical, they are spiritual.
Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 KJV
[38] Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven
Marianne, what is your definition of enemy?
jacob
1. ….2 cor 10
we fight spiritual warfare with spiritual weapons…..it is not referring to real physical warfare.
2. matt 5
this again refers to revenge…..eye for eye.
I can love my enemy, and bless him if he curses me…..but it says nothing about if he points a gun at my children, or starts to dismember them and kill them.
Marianne,
You did not answer my question. I asked what is your definition of enemy.
Instead, you went on to incorrectly interpret 2 Corinthians10
You say:
“”1. ….2 cor 10
we fight spiritual warfare with spiritual weapons…..it is not referring to real physical warfare
I say 2 Corinthians 10:2-4 describes our discussion EXACTLY.
…against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
You are the person who implies that the apostles permitted the use of physical weapons, and Paul clearly says that some people think this, but he states that actually physical warfare is not the warfare he engages in, but he fights a spiritual battle. This was also confirmed in Ephesians 6:11-20 which I had stated in a previous post to you. It says this very clearly.How is it you understood the spiritual part but could not understand when he was referring to the physical- ie the fleshly or carnal nature?
Re Matthew 5:38-45, how is it that you cannot understand what is written in plain English?
You say that ‘eye for an eye’ is referring to revenge, but that self-defence is permitted, but you ignore ignore Matthew 5:39 ‘ But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.’
For the Christian, killing is not permitted,even in self defence.
You also said, in an earlier post:
“I have repeatedly referred to self defense, and fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen.”
Here you have added yet another dimension- ‘fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen’??
So, even before the attacks happen, you would kill potential attackers -because YOU THOUGHT they were going to attack you. This you call ‘self defence’?
How did you manage to glean this new doctrine from Matthew 5:38-45?
Your last statement:
“I can love my enemy, and bless him if he curses me…..but it says nothing about if he points a gun at my children, or starts to dismember them and kill them.”
Christ does not say ‘love your enemy and bless him only if he curses you, but not if he points a gun at your children, or starts to dismember them’- he says love your enemies and pray for them, which means at the very least, that they must not be killed, in this particular case should be restrained.
Let’s look at this another way. Suppose there was a lady who had her entire family blown up by a stray missile from the opposing side in a war. She did not agree with the war, she was minding her own business bringing up her children. She was a peace loving woman. She could not understand why this happened to her.
She did not know that a man on the other side thought he was going to be attacked by her country and so a pre emptive missile strike was made against a known enemy location, in ‘self defence’.
This woman managed to get to the other side into her enemies territory and by chance happened to enter this mans house. She is filled with rage and hate at the loss of her young children and grabs her gun and points it at the man and his children. Her own children had been torn from limb to limb in the blast from the missile strike. The man was terrified. He had no idea who the woman was or why she was there.
In your view, would she be justified in killing this man and his children?
Would she be justified in killing this man and his children if she claimed to be a Christian?
Would the man be justified in killing her, if he could?
Would he be justified in killing her if he claimed to be Christian?
Jacob,
Did you read my post. I already answered these. I’ll explain again.
YOU SAY|
I say 2 Corinthians 10:2-4 describes our discussion EXACTLY.
…against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
I SAY: No, this is telling us that the Church should not be advanced through violence, i.e. the Church should not be militant, as the Catholic Church has been. It is not about self-defense, protection of others, or serving in the military.
YOU SAY:
You say that ‘eye for an eye’ is referring to revenge, but that self-defence is permitted, but you ignore ignore Matthew 5:39 ‘ But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.’
I SAY:
Once again, the word resist is “anthistemi” and means “to set oneself against, to oppose, resist.” It is an attitude of vengeance, “an eye for an eye,” “you did that to me, so I’m going to do this to you.” It is not about self defense, or protection of others.
YOU SAY:
So, even before the attacks happen, you would kill potential attackers -because YOU THOUGHT they were going to attack you. This you call ‘self defence’?
I SAY: Marianne and I have both said violence should be the last resort.
YOU SAY:
Let’s look at this another way. Suppose there was a lady who had her entire family blown up by a stray missile from the opposing side in a war. She did not agree with the war, she was minding her own business bringing up her children. She was a peace loving woman. She could not understand why this happened to her.
She did not know that a man on the other side thought he was going to be attacked by her country and so a pre emptive missile strike was made against a known enemy location, in ‘self defence’.
This woman managed to get to the other side into her enemies territory and by chance happened to enter this mans house. She is filled with rage and hate at the loss of her young children and grabs her gun and points it at the man and his children. Her own children had been torn from limb to limb in the blast from the missile strike. The man was terrified. He had no idea who the woman was or why she was there.
In your view, would she be justified in killing this man and his children?
I SAY:
OBVIOUSLY NOT. This is VENGEANCE. Her actions are not seeking to protect anyone. Her action are about seeking revenge, “an eye for an eye.”
You obviously still don’t understand the difference between vengeance and self-defense.
Jacob,
Would the man be justified in killing her, if he could?
Would he be justified in killing her if he claimed to be Christian?
As a Christian, harming her should be the VERY LAST resort. However, if he did it would not be his intention and would be in self-defense, not vengeance. He would not be seeking “an eye for an eye.”
Jacob
You need to get your facts straight. Tertullian was never excommunicated from the church. Neither were the Montanists. There was never schism there. Obviously you did not read the work of tertullian I gave you above, if you see it only as saying the Father Son and Holy Ghost are mentioned in the bible. Wow, what an empty uninformed criticism.
All you are doing is spreading lies, in order to defend your position. That is not debate, that is propaganda. If anyone checks your facts you will see the lies in them. Now I am not accusing you here, but am pointing to the facts. Any informed person can go and check the facts. Here is a short biography which explains tertullian and his connections to the montanists. Though the montanists later went off the deep end, much like some modern charismatics do, they were never excommunicated.
“Once Tertullian converted to Christianity, he held nothing back. He used his vast learning in the cause of Christ. At the risk of his life, he wrote several works to the Romans, defending Christianity and attempting to persuade the authorities to halt their senseless persecution.
Tertullian apparently served as an elder or presbyter in Carthage, completely devoting his life to the ministry of Christ. Not only did he write apologetic works to the Romans, but he also composed a considerable number of writings in which he defended orthodox Christianity against various heretics. Tertullian also wrote exhortations for the Church itself. He lived during an era in which the Church was coming to grips with the reality that Christ had not returned within the expected time frame of the earliest Christians. Tertullian often felt that the leadership of the Church was growing complacent as it sought to find its place in a secular world which would be its home for the long haul. [1]A number of his works speak out against capitulating not only to the direct pressures of Roman persecution but while the Church waits for Christ that it should not trade hope in God for dependency in the power of the Empire, including its economic, political and military power. Like Paul, he rejected earthly power and advantage, including worldly education and social rank as “dung” in relation to the things of Christ, even concluding that Christian discipleship was incompatible with military service.
Until the time of Tertullian nearly all Christian works had been written in Greek. Although Tertullian was fluent in Greek and wrote several works in Greek, he penned most of his works in Latin–in order to benefit the growing number of western Christians who knew only Latin. This effort has often earned him the title of “The Father of Latin Christianity.” In this effort Tertullian often developed Latin terminology to express ideas of christian theology that had previously been unique to the Greek language. He is well known for being the first to use the words “substance” and “person” to define God.[2]
Because of his fiery temperament and forceful convictions, nearly all of Tertullian’s writings have polemic overtones. Church historian Phillip Schaff said of him: “He resembled a foaming mountain torrent rather than a calm, transparent river in the valley. His vehement temper was never fully subdued, although he struggled sincerely against it. He was a man of strong convictions, and never hesitated to express them without fear or favor. …His polemics everywhere leave marks of blood. It is a wonder that he was not killed by the heathens, or excommunicated by the Catholics.” [Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, vol. 2 (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1910), pp. 822-824].
In his later years, having become ever more disturbed with the complacency he saw within the Church’s leadership, Tertullian joined the charismatic Montanist sect. His attraction to the Montanists was that they shared many of his views regarding that aforementioned ecclesial complacency, as well as a strict moralism fueled by their maintenance of the early Christian hope in the imminent return of Christ. It is unfortunate that in subsequent decades after Tertullian’s death the Montanists became extremely radical, if not outrightly heretical, causing latter theolgians to often dismiss him and his works.
Tertullian’s Apology (Apologeticus) is one of the best-known works of the pre-Nicene era. In it, he provides not only a stirring defense of Christianity to the Roman rulers, but takes exhaustive measures to show that Roman culture and religion is inferior and hopeless when compared to Christianity.”[copied from “Religion Wiki”]
If anything, from this description, we can see that Tertulian was fighting the paganization within the church. Something we should be doing as well. All the while promoting the doctrine of the trinity, being the very founder of the terminology. Here we have a “trinitarian” fighting the paganism of the church, and you say the trinity is a pagan doctrine?
good knowledge of history……good comment
Jacob,
YOU SAID: Firstly, don’t you think you are being hypocritical by calling me self-righteous?-I think that is a false statement and very rude-that is just your opinion after all, and I thought you implied from your previous posts that it is totally unchristian to dishonour another believer?
I SAY: No, I am not being hypocritical. You claimed to have the love of Christ in your heart, and then turned around and said some very unloving words in your posts. THAT is hypocrisy, claiming to be something that your aren’t. Pointing out that fact does not make me hypocritical, nor is it rude. It is, as you say, rebuke. I was speaking truth, in love.
Nor have I condemned anyone to hell, as you have, for having a difference in doctrinal belief.
…………
What you are failing to understand in these posts, is the difference between vengeance, justice and self defense, and between nonagression and pacifism.
You are also failing to understand the difference between defending yourself or someone else against a criminal who wants to rape and murder and being persecuted for your faith.
You continuously use one concept to argue against the other, when in fact they should be kept separate.
Aggression and vengeance are wrong, but you are making an unwarranted extrapolation in saying defense against evil is wrong. Jesus wasn’t teaching doctrine when He told Peter to put down the sword. He was telling Him to put the sword down, because the Kingdom of God would not be brought in by violence the way earthly kingdoms are, something Peter and the disciples failed to understand. He stopped Peter because it was time for Him to be arrested and crucified “among the transgressor,” the two thieves on either side of Him. Nowhere in this story is there even a hint that Jesus is teaching pacifism. You are reading into the text, something that is not there. In the text, Peter was an aggressor, not a defender. The guards came to arrest Jesus peaceably, but Peter used violence in an attempt to stop them, in the same way the Zealots used violence and armed resistance to government in an attempt to bring in God’s Kingdom. The Zealots LIVED by the sword. The disciples of Jesus were not to live this way. This is in no way saying anything regarding defending and protecting ourselves and others.
YOU SAID: Matthew 5:22
I SAY: No correlation whatsoever, so no response.
YOU SAID:
“Marianne,
Doesn’t a soldier live by the sword?”
I SAY: No, a soldier does not live by the sword. His life should be life of justice, not violence. Living by the sword has to do with a person who lives a violent lifestyle, not a legal profession that defends justice.
Peter impulsive act of drawing his sword alone against the Roman Empire showed a confusion concerning the conflict which was being fought. Jesus is revealing that the Kingdom of God doesn’t come by force ( something the Catholic Church failed to understand.)
Jesus is showing that this was not a simple arrest, but a cosmic battle waged with divine weapons of righteousness ( II Corinthians 10:4). It is a battle that Jesus alone would win for us, without Peter’s supposed help.
Jesus did not stop Peter because He was teaching us that defending oneself or others is wrong. He stopped Peter because it was time for Him to go to the Cross.
You are creating a doctrine of pacifism from this one event that is not supported anywhere else in Scripture. You can claim there is, but all of your arguments are about vengeance and aggression, not self-defense.
This passage demonstrates that Holy War is fought by God himself (unlike Islam and Catholicism). Holy War is for the purpose of establishing the Kingdom of God. Although human believers are the soldiers of Holy War, it is not fought with worldly means.
Jesus, as God‘s representative fights in spiritual battle even though we humans involved are unaware of the spiritual importance of their actions. The Kingdom cannot be brought in by human or political means, but rather as the prophet Zechariah proclaimed, by divine action.
“Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord of hosts.”
Messiah will fight his enemies (Luke 10:19; 1 Corinthians15:21); no one else is capable of winning this battle.
“The victory belongs to the Lord” (Proverbs 21:31).
The Kingdom of God is not a worldly kingdom acquired by military might. Rather, Christ‘s Kingdom “is not of this realm” (Zechariah 4:6; Jn. 18:36). So the Apostles are not to build the Kingdom of God by military might, or any other human method. Just as Jesus clearly delineates the separate concerns of Church and State (Matthew 22:21), so he clearly defines how the Kingdom of God would be built. The sword, a weapon of temporal kingdoms, is not an appropriate weapon for the Kingdom of God. Nations are a construct of human society, protected by military might and ordered by a government. The Kingdom of God is created by the loving sacrifice of the Lamb of God (Zechariah 4:6) exercising divine power.
Jesus is telling us that physical weapons are not the way His Kingdom is established. He is NOT telling us that physical weapons are not the way earthly kingdoms are established.
“And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings” (Daniel 2).
It is God Himself that raises up kingdoms and God whom brings them down. How are kingdoms raised up and brought down? War and conquest. God raises up kingdoms as a means of judgement.
Although you rejected my examples of Old Testament conquests, they are clearly applicable. God commanded the Israelites to conquer the land He was giving them. This conquest was a form of judgement against these wicked nations. God’s mercy can be seen in the way the judgement was delay because
“the sin of the Amorites [had] not yet reached its full measure.”
This is still God’s way today, to raise up more righteous kingdoms to bring judgement on wicked Kingdoms.
From all of this there is a clear teaching of principle that differentiates between church and state. The church must be built by the power of God and not the power of the sword. The corollary is that worldly power is given by God for the building, defense and ordering of human society.
God shows us his grace and mercy when he appoints rulers for us as an outward sign of his will, so that we are sure we are pleasing his divine will and are doing right, whenever we do the will and pleasure of the ruler.
“Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar‘s” (Matthew 22:21). “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities” (Romans 13:1).
In other words, Christians who fought in WWII against Nazi Germany were doing God’s will by fighting and defending the world against evil.
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What you fail to notice is the fact that Peter HAS a sword. In fact two of the disciples had a sword. I would think that, if Jesus was against them carrying a sword, that He would have told them so.)
Jesus never told Peter to get rid of the sword. On the other hand, Jesus said to Peter in the Garden, “Put your sword back in its place,” meaning, back in its scabbard or holder or in Peter’s belt or another article of clothing. He never said to throw the sword away, off to the side at a distance. Therefore, it is entirely possible that some disciples carried the two weapons after the crucifixion and burial when they lived in hostile territory, and maybe some did after the Resurrection and Ascension. These weapons would have been used for self defense against criminals.
However, later tradition says that none of the Apostles fought or even tried to fight their way out of fiery trials of PERSECUTION with swords. All of the Apostles but John were martyred as a direct result of persecution. The example of Jesus throughout his life and in the Garden of Gethsemane made an impression on them.
The events in the Garden of Gethsemane and the commands of Jesus there teach the Apostles nonaggression, so Luke 22:36 does not permit violence. He said to Peter: “For all who draw the sword will die by the sword” (Matt. 26:52). Peter and the others heard those words that clarify the use of swords. Therefore, a lifestyle of the sword (“living by the sword”) must not be part of the disciples’ new walk with the resurrected Christ, as they preached the Gospel.
God ordains that the State—law enforcement and the military—may wield the sword (Rom. 13:1-7). And individual Christians may join these institutions, as long as they are honorable, thus becoming servants of God. But publicly and officially, they serve the State. Privately, they serve God in their individual relationship with him.
However, the Church as an institution is “pacifist” in its own actions and internal policies because it follows the dictates of the kingdom of God, His rule and reign. That is, following Jesus, it wages only spiritual warfare. Therefore, the Church should never convene a council or assembly in order to raise an army to fight battles and to coerce heretics and opponents to conform (as the Catholic Church has done).
Further, understanding the separate kingdoms of God and Caesar (the State) and the fact that Jesus never set out to rebuild the theocratic kingdom of Israel (Acts 1:6-7) is necessary for understanding all of the verses in the New Testament about peace and the sword. But if we merge the two realms, we will witness religious atrocities that the Church committed sometimes (not always) in its history.
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Your comment about extortion is an “argumentum ad absurdum” and deserves no response.
Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.” (Luke 3:14)
It seems, then, that the soldiers were deeper than curiosity seekers. They asked about repentance. what is important is what John says and what John does not say. He tells them to follow after justice. It,was common knowledge that soldiers generally used their power and authority to intimidate people. He also tells them to be content with their wages; logically, this implies that they may remain in the military as soldiers. That is what he said. But what he does not say is that they should quit the army.
The silence is significant. John never denounced them as soldiers, exactly at the moment when the fiery preacher could have done so. One of the requirements of their repentance did not involve walking away from their career. They could repent of their sins and belong to the military. They did not have to repent for carrying weapons or belonging to the military. This also implies, historically, that they could use their weapons, if necessary.
Centurions were the backbone of the army, keeping the peace and issuing executive orders. They commanded a lot of power. What happens when a centurion and Jesus meet?
“When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering.” m Jesus said to him, “I will go and heal him.” m,The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, “I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! It will be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that very hour. (Matthew 8:5-13; see Luke 7:1-10)
Again, it is important to note what Jesus says and does, and what he does not say or do. He honors the centurion’s request and heals his servant. Next, he praises the centurion to high heaven for his insight, using superlative language: “I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith,” not as great as the gentile commander’s faith. What does Jesus not say or do? He does not denounce the centurion as a military servant of Rome. He never says, “Leave the army, for it is corrupt and intrinsically evil! If you don’t, I’ll never heal your servant!” As a moral example and teacher, if he wanted to point out behavior and practices that harm the people doing them, then he would have done so. But he didn’t.
Peter and Cornelius, a centurion:
“At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!” Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked. The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God” (Acts 10:1-4).
The same analysis that was applied to John’s counsel to soldiers and Jesus’ praise of a centurion in the previous two sections fits here as well. Neither God himself nor the lead Apostle Peter tells the centurion to leave the army or give up his weapons. Further, no one knows if Cornelius ever killed an enemy, but if he rose to the rank of centurion, then he probably served for a long time, as a career. And if he served for a long time, then he probably saw some action. If he saw some action, then he probably killed an enemy, or ordered his men to kill. Yet, it is possible to be blessed of God while serving in the military and possibly killing an enemy in battle or in law enforcement. Most important, Cornelius shows that soldiers should develop good and godly characters as they serve the State.
Paul and a jailer
Paul was constantly persecuted just for preaching the gospel, not for committing acts of “righteous” violence. In this case he expelled a demon from a girl, so he waged spiritual warfare, just as we saw Jesus do. In the Roman colony of Philippi he and his traveling companion Silas were “severely flogged” and imprisoned. Their feet fastened in stocks, they were singing hymns to God, but then an earthquake in the middle of the night loosed their bonds and opened the prison doors.
“The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. But Paul shouted, “Don’t harm yourself! We are all here!” The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family” (Acts 16:27-34).
Being filled with joy, the jailer and his family convert to Christ. However, Paul never tells the jailer to abandon his career. In fact, the jailer is seen fulfilling his duties in an official capacity the next day. The jailer carried his sword after his conversion.
Conclusion:
Jesus teaches that the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Caesar are different and distinct. Also, he did not set out to reestablish the theocratic kingdom of Israel (Acts 1:6-7). These verses confirm the distinctions. That is, all of these passages show individual converts in the military and law enforcement in the kingdom of Caesar (the Jerusalem government submitted to Rome). The texts do not suggest that the Church as an institution should become militant. The stories are about individuals serving as lawful agents of the State, not in a Christian institution. They were qualified agents of Caesar, not amateurs, so these examples do not demonstrate that the Church is permitted to assign weapons to anyone at all.
All of these passages, especially the last two, demonstrate that devout Christians may certainly and gladly join the military and law enforcement, without thinking twice about it, if they feel called to those two honorable institutions. If they have to use the sword on evildoers, then so be it, provided the officers and soldiers follow the law. Officially and publicly, they are servants of the State and act in that capacity, so they should have no angst about using force, if necessary and lawful.
However, as noted in the previous articles, the Church as an institution (also distinct from the kingdom of God, which creates the Church) is “pacifist” in its own actions and internal policies because it follows the commands of the kingdom and its heavenly King; his kingdom is his active rule and dynamic reign today. That is, church leaders in the name of the Church or of God should never convene a council or general assembly in order to raise an army to fight battles and to coerce heretics and sinners to conform.
Rather, the mission of the Church, waging only spiritual warfare, is to save souls, teach believers, and help the needy in practical ways, not to bloody opponents with swords.
SO, IN RESPONSE TO THIS:
All I know for certain, an undisputed fact, is that Christ, the Apostles and the early church never went to war, never took up arms, never encouraged any follower to fight. they never encouraged armed revolution- ie war- eventhough they witnessed intense suffering and injustice around them.They could have, but they did not.Jesus Christ clearly gave the command for his followers to put down the sword. As a sincere believer seeking the truth, for me, I cannot ignore these facts.
I SAY:
1) NOWHERE in Scripture is there a command or even a hint that Christians are not allowed to join the military. “Do not resist (“anthistemi”) does not a person is not to defend and protect. It means a person is not “to set oneself against” another person.
2) The scriptures referring to the sword have to do with not advancing the kingdom of God through violence, not about defending oneself or others against evil people, or about joining the military.
3) Scriptures referring to the sword prohibit aggression and vengeance, not defense or just political wars against aggression.
4) Just because the Apostles, none of whom were soldiers, never took up arms, does not indicate Christians are not to join the military if they desire to. Three examples were given of Christians who were in the military, and undoubtably there were many others never mentioned.
5) Defending others against injustice, be it an individual or a nation, is not wrong. Standing by and watching the innocent die because “we are not called to violence” is showing a lack of love. (Remember, Israel is not the aggressor. They have a right and a duty to defend their citizens against terrorism.)
6) Violence should be the LAST option. “IF IT IS POSSIBLE, AS FAR AS IT DEPENDS ON YOU, be at peace with everyone.”
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1) As for Jesus being a mediator between God and man.
A mediator is someone who represents both parties equally. To represent man, Jesus must be man. To represent God, He must be God – not a “god.”
(Are you a Jehovah’s Witness?) Jesus is called the Son of Man because He is Human. Jesus is called the Son of God because He is God. Man begets man. God begets God.
2) YOU SAID: “If the Father and the Son are the same person, then God has become the mediator of himself- clearly nonsense.”
I SAY: I agree. No one here ever said the Father and the Son are the same person. They are one God, existing in three distinct persons.
(Are you sure you are not Muslim, because your arguments are the exact arguments that Muslim websites use to “prove” Jesus was only a prophet.)
3) YOU SAY: This is just another example of RC Trinitarian ‘pick and mix’ theology , where 2 and 2 makes 5, or anything else but sound exegesis…
The person who believes this to be referring to the Roman Catholic Trinity Doctrine should ask themselves why they ignored the following verses…
To sum up, all Paul says confirms what Jesus says- that God dwells in him.
I SAY: I am not ignoring these verses. I am well aware of them. I am merely pointing out the verses which you ignore which disprove your theory that Jesus is not God. When ALL these verses are taken TOGETHER it becomes clear that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God; all three distinct and different, and yet all God. Not 2+ 2= 5, but 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.
2) “In the beginning was the WORD (the Son) and the WORD (the Son) was with GOD (the Father), and the WORD (the Son) was GOD.
The same (the Son) was in the beginning with GOD (the Father).
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life (the Holy Spirit); and the life was the light of men.
“In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and GOD (the Holy Spirit) was hovering over the waters.
And GOD said (the WORD) “Let there be light,” and there was light. God (the Father) saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
God uses terms Father and Son as a means conveying the mysterious relationship that existed from all eternity between God and His Word. the Scriptures clearly teach us that God calls Jesus His Eternal Word (Logos). There has never been a moment when God had a thought apart from His Logos or Reason, and it is through this Logos that the universe was created. Further than this, God calls Jesus His “Son,” lest you think of the Word as being an impersonal force or attribute, instead of a substantive entity existing in a relationship with the Eternal God “who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe” (1 Timothy 4:10).
YOU SAY: He says that it is not himself who is speaking his own words, they are his Father’s words; he is not doing the miracles, it is God the Father living inside him doing the miracles.
I SAY: Yes, I agree, just as it was when Jesus was the spoken WORD of the Father’s in creating the universe. God the Father does His work through God the Son, the Logos.
The Father created the world through the Son. Just as our words are an expression of who we are, so Jesus is the expression of who God is. “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word” ( Hebrews 1).
3) If the Son were not God, and merely a “god” He could not create and sustain ALL THINGS. This requires omnipotence, which only God possesses.
If the Son created all things “in the beginning” then He obviously existed BEFORE he lived in the body God had prepared (Hebrews 5:10).
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham as born, I AM.” (John 8:58)
Jesus is also saying He is “I AM,” alluding to Exodus 3:14.
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins” (John 8:24).
“The Jews answered Him (Jesus), ‘For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make yourself out to be God’ ” (John 10:33)
Jesus had obviously claimed to be God. So just what had He said to upset His Jewish audience so much?
“I and the Father are ONE.” (John 10:30)
He didn’t say that He was simply like the Father. He said that they were “one,” alluding to the Deuteronomy 6:4.
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is ONE Lord…”
4) YOU SAY: Jesus says that the Father is greater than He is.
In the Book of Hebrews an entirely different word is utilized when comparing Jesus and the angels. The word is “kreitton” and is translated “better” in the King James Version. Paralleling these two comparisons, that of Jesus with His Father in John 14:28 and Jesus with the angels in Hebrews 1:4, the true meaning of “greater” becomes clear. In the fourteenth chapter of John, as the Son of Man who emptied himself of His prerogatives of Deity (Philippians 2:8-11) and took upon himself the form of a slave, Jesus could truthfully say, “My Father is greater than I,” greater being a quantitative term descriptive of position. In no sense of the context could it be construed as a comparison of nature or quality.
5) “But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, THY THRONE O GOD is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is i the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows” (Hebrews 1:8).
In this verse God the Father is speaking to God the Son, saying “Thy throne O God is forever…”
Revelation also tells us that both the Father and the Son sit on the throne.
6) “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve” (Luke 4:8).
“And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him” (Matthew2:11).
Only God is to be worshipped. Jesus is worshipped.
7) “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God” (John 20:28).
Jesus is both Lord AND God.
8) YOU SAY: This is consistent with his other statements above, that God the Father is GREATER than he is, that Jesus is God’s TEMPLE- therefore he CANNOT BE GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF!, just as we are God’s temple, and God resides in us.
I SAY: Yes, Jesus IS the Temple. BUT God the Father is ALSO the Temple.
“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty AND the Lamb are the temple of it” (Revelation 21:22).
God the Father is the Temple. God the Son is the Temple. God is in Jesus. Jesus is in God. “I am in the Father.” “The Father is in Me.” They live in each other.
God lives in the Temple. Jesus also lives in the Temple. He is the Altar, the Sacrifice, the Laver, the Water, the Table, the Bread, the Oil, the Light, the Veil, the Ark, and the Mercy Seat.
I ALSO SAY: Yes, we are God’s Temple and God resides in us.
“Know ye not your own selves, how that JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU” (II Corinthians13:5).
If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, GOD LIVES IN THEM and THEY IN GOD” (I John 4:15).
“By the Holy Spirit who DWELLS WITHIN us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you. …” (II Timothy 1:14).
Jesus is in us. We are in Jesus
God lives in us. We live in God.
The Father is in the Son. The Son is in the Father.
The Holy Spirit dwells in us.
9) As for Isaiah 9:6, that is an opinion of a translator. Jewish scholars who translated the LXX in the third century disagree. The Jewish Tanach renders it “…called wonderful counsellor of the mighty God of the everlasting father, of the prince of peace,” although the insertion of the word “of” is not justified by any know rule of grammar. The Talmud renders it “… called wonderful, counsellor, mighty, judge, father, prince and peace” (Sanhedrin 94a).
The words “el gibbor” come from the same root as “Gabriel,” which is translated “mighty God.”
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I agree the Father and the Son are different and distinct. The Bible is clear on that and no one here is saying they are the same. What we are saying is, the Father, Son and Spirit are different, but they are ALL EQUALLY GOD. And the Bible is clear on that. This is not heresy. It is mystery.
Many verses throughout the old and new Testaments clearly tell us that it is God and God alone who creates and sustains everything, and it is God and God alone who saves and redeems us. If Jesus is not God He could do neither.
God is beyond our comprehension, far beyond anything we can understand with our puny minds God uses the tangible physical reality to help us understand spiritual reality. Human language is limited, therefore the amount we understand is only a shadow.
God created human relationships and the physical world to be shadow picture to show who He is and to understand our relationship to Him. Jesus, the Word of God speaks in Parables.
God is a Father, a Mother, a Son a Husband, an Heir, a Word, a Shepherd, a Tree, a Sabbath, a Tabernacle, a Seed, a Door, a Gate; He is Water, Grain, Bread, Light, Love, Oil, an All-Consuming Fire, a Vine, a Servant, a Physician, a King, a Sword, a Shield, a Son, a Rock, a Refuge and Everlasting Arms; He is a Brother, a Warrior, a Soldier, a Temple, a Sun, a Star.
Through these and many, many more we get a picture of who God is. And He is both Father and Son, as well as Spirit
very comprehensive….good job…..
Galatians 1:6-9 KJV
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Toddott/Marianne,
Thank you Toddott, for brilliantly confirming the statement I had made in an earlier post.
I said, ” This is just another example of RC Trinitarian ‘pick and mix’ theology , where 2 and 2 makes 5, or anything else but sound exegesis…
The person who believes this to be referring to the Roman Catholic Trinity Doctrine should ask themselves why they ignored the following verses…
To sum up, all Paul says confirms what Jesus says- that God dwells in him.”
You said: “I am not ignoring these verses. I am well aware of them. …When ALL these verses are taken TOGETHER it becomes clear that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God; all three distinct and different, and yet all God. Not 2+ 2= 5, but 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 ”
I say: I think it sums up yours and other RC trinitarians reasoning perfectly.
You still refuse to accept that Peter’s act was an act of self defence. I find this very surprising given Marianne’s own definition of self defence. I assume you agree with her as it now appears you are speaking for her as well. A case of the blind leading the blind? Let’s see.
Marianne’s definition (her words):
“I have repeatedly referred to self defense, and fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen.” (please see previous posts to read full discussion)
I maintain that Peter’s was a self defensive act- undisputed and undeniable. He knew the Roman guards had come to arrest and then kill the Lord. He and the Lord’s followers would also be in danger. It was a pre-emptive strike.
Jesus said:
Matthew 26:52 KJV
Put back your sword in it’s place, for ALL those who take up the sword will die by the sword.
Please note the use of the word ‘ALL’, therefore this simply means what it says- it applies to everyone, not just Peter.
However, you say “Jesus wasn’t teaching doctrine when He told Peter to put down the sword. He was telling Him to put the sword down, because the Kingdom of God would not be brought in by violence the way earthly kingdoms are, something Peter and the disciples failed to understand. He stopped Peter because it was time for Him to be arrested and crucified “among the transgressor,” the two thieves on either side of Him. Nowhere in this story is there even a hint that Jesus is teaching pacifism.”
Regarding your statement for
Luke 3:14 KJV
And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
You say this is a bad translation. You offered an alternative and I proved your translation incorrect, but you refuse to accept this. I say my translation is correct and not only that, it is backed up by 11 other Bible translations. The translation I provided was the only translation available for the western world for a period of centuries.
I could not find Marianne’s or your answer to my questions again, but perhaps I missed them amongst all the false doctrine you wrote. Or perhaps you both gave no answer, because if you answered them truthfully you would have to change your view to a pacifist one.
So I will put them again:
1. What is your definition of ‘enemy’?
2.Referring again to what Marianne said, in an earlier post:
“I have repeatedly referred to self defense, and fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen.”
I said: “Here you have added yet another dimension- ‘fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen’??
So, even before the attacks happen, you would kill potential attackers -because YOU THOUGHT they were going to attack you. This you call ‘self defence’?
How did you manage to glean this new doctrine from Matthew 5:38-45?
Suppose there was a lady who had her entire family blown up by a stray missile from the opposing side in a war. She did not agree with the war, she was minding her own business bringing up her children. She was a peace loving woman. She could not understand why this happened to her.
She did not know that a man on the other side thought he was going to be attacked by her country and so a pre emptive missile strike was made against a known enemy location, in ‘self defence’.
This woman managed to get to the other side into her enemies territory and by chance happened to enter this mans house. She is filled with rage and hate at the loss of her young children and grabs her gun and points it at the man and his children. Her own children had been torn from limb to limb in the blast from the missile strike. The man was terrified. He had no idea who the woman was or why she was there.
In your view, would she be justified in killing this man and his children?
Would she be justified in killing this man and his children if she claimed to be a Christian?
Would the man be justified in killing her, if he could?
Would he be justified in killing her if he claimed to be Christian?”
You said:”OBVIOUSLY NOT. This is VENGEANCE. Her actions are not seeking to protect anyone. Her action are about seeking revenge, “an eye for an eye.”
You obviously still don’t understand the difference between vengeance and self-defense.”
I say: It seems in your books, the man was innocent of blowing up the woman’s family because that was not his intention- despite his knowing from history that many missiles fly off target- and because he acted in what you call ‘self defence’.
However, you say that you do not find it at all acceptable if the woman killed the man and his family- because you say this would be revenge.
What if, according to your own belief, she claimed that she was acting in ‘self defence’ -just as the man was claiming? After all, would she be wrong in thinking that this man, with his butcher mentality, would continue to fire missiles, many of which would miss their target and possibly kill her the next time, or her friends and relatives?
Maybe she had now become this man’s target?
From your reasoning, which Marianne outlined in her statement is:“I have repeatedly referred to self defense, and fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen.”
i.e, ok to use pre emptive strikes, could not any new aggressor claim that based on this man’s previous history of sending pre emptive strikes that they would attack first because they were fearful of him?
Would they be wrong?
Suppose that in self defence or fear of the other party, one party attacked; could not the other party claim the same motive?- Therefore we have both parties attacking in advance any time they want, whilst claiming ‘self defence’.
My question: Would you agree?
3. I said: Matthew 5:38-39,43-45 KJV
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy:
44But I say unto you, Love your ememies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven
You and Marianne said: “Marianne and I have both said violence should be the last resort.”
Where does it say in Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 that violence should be used only as a last resort?
Once you have answered question 1, please tell me how Matthew 5:38-39,43-45 KJV is irrelevent as you have implied?
4. You said I had no understanding of the difference between revenge and self defence.
I say: It is you who has no understanding. I maintain that Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 applies. Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 is all about offence, revenge and self defence, being framed within that context, and the required Christian response:
All the sermon on the mount Matthew 5: 38-45 statements are from the standpoint of a wrong being committed against an individual and then the required response for the Christian commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ:
39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
So your statement that these do not cover self defence is a lie and is pure nonsense.
Jesus also said ‘My kingdom is not of this world, therefore they do not fight. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight for me not to be delivered to the Jews.’ This meant that it was not for any servant of christ to engage in physical warfare in this world as it was incompatible with his kingdom.’Thy Kingdom come, the will be done on earth as it is in heaven.’It is not God’s will for his children to engage in war in this world ‘ that ye may be called children of God’.
And please note, that the above refers to a war situation, one kingdom against another.
We are told to be ‘obedient to death’.
You said: There is not even a hint of Jesus teaching pacificism…
I have shown that in fact the opposite is true.
On the subject of the RC Trinity you said:
“If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, GOD LIVES IN THEM and THEY IN GOD” (I John 4:15)”
I say: Yes, but this does not mean because Jesus and the Father live in me that I AM the Father
You also said:
“What we are saying is, the Father, Son and Spirit are different, but they are ALL EQUALLY GOD. And the Bible is clear on that. This is not heresy.”
I say: Jesus said, I go to my Father, for my Father is greater than I.
You have also forgotten 1 Corinthians 15:23-28
You also said:
“Through these and many, many more we get a picture of who God is. And He is both Father and Son, as well as Spirit”
I say: God Almighty is NOT both Father and the Son. If they were, then the testimony that each gives of each other is nullified. God Almighty is the Father, and Jesus is His Son.
You also said:
” I agree the Father and the Son are different and distinct. The Bible is clear on that and no one here is saying they are the same.”
I say: In that case, why did you bring to my attention John 8.58 at the end of one of your posts? Your post was in agreement with Dru’s.
You also implied that you agreed with Dru when he claimed in his post that Jesus is God Almighty and you used the same reference as he had quoted as ‘proof’ (Col.2:9)?
You also said:” “I and the Father are ONE.” (John 10:30)
He didn’t say that He was simply like the Father. He said that they were “one,” alluding to the Deuteronomy 6:4.
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is ONE Lord…” ”
I say: Jesus means ‘of one accord’, just as we may be of one accord with the Father and the Son- not that he or we are the same as the Father! Try reading the verses in context for a change.
Toddott, you have not only been deceived, but you are a liar and are in turn deceiving others. You are bringing Christianity into disrepute with this new gospel of yours. After listening to you, a non believer would think your religion is the same as all the others- and if I said Christianity is a religion of peace I would be laughed in the face.
Shame on you both.
jacob
your analogy is irrational.
if the man was shooting missiles in a pre-emptive strike, he should be aiming at real threats, not innocent victims.
so he was not acting in self defense. he was shooting randomly in any direction, at anything in his path.
so she would be wrong in attacking the man.
and he would be justified in killing her, because she is now a real threat to him.
Marianne,
That was not my analogy, it was yours- probably why you found it irrational.
In my analogy, I had already stated that he was firing at a known enemy location. Therefore, please would you be so kind as to answer the question based on the scenario I presented, and not on your irrational imagination.
It’s amazing how your mind blots out what you don’t want to hear.
Even if this had not been stated, could you not have formed such hypotheticals in your quest for truth?
Jacob,
YOU QUOTE:
Galatians 1:6-9 KJV
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
I SAY:
Taken out of context. This has nothing to do with our discussion. Paul is referring to Law vs. Grace. You are implying thatPacifism is “the Gospel.”
YOU SAY:
I say: It seems in your books, the man was innocent of blowing up the woman’s family because that was not his intention- despite his knowing from history that many missiles fly off target- and because he acted in what you call ‘self defence’.
However, you say that you do not find it at all acceptable if the woman killed the man and his family- because you say this would be revenge.
What if, according to your own belief, she claimed that she was acting in ‘self defence’ -just as the man was claiming? After all, would she be wrong in thinking that this man, with his butcher mentality, would continue to fire missiles, many of which would miss their target and possibly kill her the next time, or her friends and relatives?
1) The man had already killed her family. She was seeking revenge, not defending anyone, no matter what she “claimed.” You can’t defend what’s already dead. She was either in denial about her response, or, like you, didn’t understand the difference between revenge and self defense.
2) Because you don’t understand the difference between revenge and defense I didn’t think it was necessary to answer the last two questions because you wouldn’t have understood the answers either. But, in case there’s a chance you can:
Questions need to be asked:
a) Was the man a terrorist or was he a soldier?
b) Which country was the aggressor? The defender?
c) Was the country the man was fighting for fighting against the spread of evil. (e.g. U.S. vs. Nazi Germany) , or just fighting to conquer the world to spread an evil ideology (e.g. Islam).
As I have said previously, it is God who raises up kingdoms and God who bring then down. How has every kingdom that has ever existed come into being? Let me ask you Jacob (and I would like answers):
1) If the Revolutionary war never occurred, where do you think you would be right now?
2) If the Civil War had never happened, where do you think the U.S. would be right now?
3) If the allied armies had not fought against Germany, Italy, Japan, The Soviet union, etc. etc.etc., where do you think you would be right now?
4) Since the founding of Israel in 1948, she has been attacked by surrounding Islamic nations in an attempt to wipe her off the map. Should Israel have let Islam wipe her off the map?
Your thinking is foolish and irrational. God has raises up good nations to stop the spread of evil and to provide a means through which the Gospel can be spread.
YOU SAID:
I maintain that Peter’s was a self defensive act- undisputed and undeniable. He knew the Roman guards had come to arrest and then kill the Lord. He and the Lord’s followers would also be in danger. It was a pre-emptive strike.
I SAY:
1) NONE of the disciples had any idea that Jesus was going to die even thoug He told them PLAINLY. Their minds were “dull” in the words of Jesus. (Nor did they know that any of them were in danger.) In fact, (if you read the gospels) they all thought He was going to bring in the Kingdom as prophesied in the Old Testament. And they thought it would be as a conquering King! Peter’s use of force was an attempt to stop those who would try to stop Jesus from bringing in the Kingdom. In other words, Peter thought the Kingdom of God would be brought in by violence. Jesus was telling Peter that that is how earthly kingdoms rise, not how God’s Kingdom rises.
2) Jesus NEVER told Peter to get rid of the sword. He was telling Peter that it was not the time nor the place to use violence, because Scripture had to be fulfilled.
“Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.” It seems that those who DON’t live by the sword ALSO die by the sword (or other types of violence).
YOU SAID:
Put back your sword in it’s place, for ALL those who take up the sword will die by the sword.
Please note the use of the word ‘ALL’, therefore this simply means what it says- it applies to everyone, not just Peter.
I SAY: Yes, it does apply to ALL. That was not my point. My point was that Jesus told a Peter to put the sword back in it’s place. And AGAIN, to “love by the sword” means living a violent lifestyle.
YOU SAID:
And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
You say this is a bad translation. You offered an alternative and I proved your translation incorrect, but you refuse to accept this. I say my translation is correct and not only that, it is backed up by 11 other Bible translations. The translation I provided was the only translation available for the western world for a period of centuries.
I SAY:
1) You proved nothing. You made an absurd response by implying it was ok to extort as long as they did it without force.
2) ” Being the only translation available for a period of centuries” is irrelevant. 24 translations translate the word as “extort by violence.” And no, it doesn’t imply extortion without violence is permitted.
3) “Be content with your wages.” Again, John never told the soldiers to leave their profession. He told then to be content with the wages they receive as soldiers. Nor did Jesus ever tell the Centurion and soldier to leave the army.
YOU ASKED:
1. What is your definition of ‘enemy’?
I SAY: Anyone who is an enemy of the Cross, I consider an enemy.
YOU SAID:
I said: “Here you have added yet another dimension- ‘fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen’??
So, even before the attacks happen, you would kill potential attackers -because YOU THOUGHT they were going to attack you. This you call ‘self defence’?
How did you manage to glean this new doctrine from Matthew 5:38-45?
I SAY:
This is in reference to war, specifically in reference to the Middle East.
YOU ASK:
Suppose that in self defence or fear of the other party, one party attacked; could not the other party claim the same motive?- Therefore we have both parties attacking in advance any time they want, whilst claiming ‘self defence’.
I SAY:
You are trying to prove your case based on what someone “claims” not on what actually happened . The lady was seeking revenge no matter what she “claimed.”
YOU SAID:
Where does it say in Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 that violence should be used only as a last resort?
Once you have answered question 1, please tell me how Matthew 5:38-39,43-45 KJV is irrelevent as you have implied?
I SAY:
It’s irrelevant because Matthew is talking, not about self-defense, but vengeance, an “eye for an eye.” And violence should only be used to save the life of the innocent.
YOU SAY:
All the sermon on the mount Matthew 5: 38-45 statements are from the standpoint of a wrong being committed against an individual and then the required response for the Christian commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ:
I SAY:
Yes, they are from the standpoint of a wrong being committed and our response. We are not to seek vengeance as a response; “an eye for an eye.” It says nothing about defending the innocent against evil.
One question for you. Let’s say you were walking down the street and you came across an ally. In the ally was a man who was raping a teenage girl. On the ground near them was another girl who had clearly been raped and was now lying dead with her throat slashed. It is clear that there is no time to call and wait for the police to arrive on the scene. What would you do? Would you fight against the man to save this girl’s life, knowing there is a possibility you might have to kill him to stop him. Or would you be “loving and forgiving” towards this man and let him continue while waiting for the police?
YOU SAID:
You said: “I am not ignoring these verses. I am well aware of them. …When ALL these verses are taken TOGETHER it becomes clear that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God; all three distinct and different, and yet all God. Not 2+ 2= 5, but 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 ”
I say: I think it sums up yours and other RC trinitarians reasoning perfectly.
I SAY: God cannot be understood through human reason.
Jesus, the Word, existed “in the beginning” and that He created the heavens and the earth. He also sustains his creation. (John, Colossians, etc, etc). How did/does He do this if He isn’t God?
YOU SAY:
You also said:
“What we are saying is, the Father, Son and Spirit are different, but they are ALL EQUALLY GOD. And the Bible is clear on that. This is not heresy.”
I say: Jesus said, I go to my Father, for my Father is greater than I.
You have also forgotten 1 Corinthians 15:23-28
I SAY:
ALREADY commented on this. Go back and read my posts.
YOU SAID:
I say: In that case, why did you bring to my attention John 8.58 at the end of one of your posts? Your post was in agreement with Dru’s.
I SAY:
To show you that Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham.
YOU SAY:
You also implied that you agreed with Dru when he claimed in his post that Jesus is God Almighty and you used the same reference as he had quoted as ‘proof’ (Col.2:9)?
I SAY:
THIS is what Dru claimed:
I will stand here right now, and confess with my mouth that Jesus is THE LORD, he was, and is and is to come.
God the Father is LORD, who was and is and is to come.
The Holy Spirit is LORD, who was and is and is to come.
They are Elohiym.
And I agree.
YOU SAY:
I say: Jesus means ‘of one accord’, just as we may be of one accord with the Father and the Son- not that he or we are the same as the Father! Try reading the verses in context for a change.
I SAY:
The verse is not taken out of context. If Jesus had meant “in one accord” He would have used the word that means “in one accord.
“homothymadon”
1) with one mind, with one accord, with one passion
Instead He used the word that means “one.”
Heis
1) one
Jesus was alluding to the Old Testament, as He always did, and used the word “heis.” And word agrees means “one,” NOT “in one accord.”
‘echad:
1) one (number)
a) one (number)
b) each, every
c) a certain
d) an (indefinite article)
e) only, once, once for all
f) one…another, the one…the other, one after another, one by one
g) first
h) eleven (in combination), eleventh (ordinal)
Tell me how you get “in one accord” out of “heis” or “echad.”
All that said, now Jacob, go back and reread my posts and respond to the other questions/comments that you CHOSE to ignore that also CONFIRM that Jesus is God.
good point by point response.
Toddort,
Oh dear.
Twisting and turning, lies and evasion…when are you going to admit what is clearly written in the Bible?
This is a long reply because there were many points to address.
Let’s just break this down for simplicity, shall we?
Please note, I have capitalised certain words for clarity.
Matthew 5:39:KJV But I say unto you, That ye RESIST NOT EVIL: but WHOSOEVER shall smite thee on thy right cheek, TURN TO HIM THE OTHER ALSO.
Matthew 5:44 KJV But I say unto you, Love your ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them themselves that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Toddott and Marianne, you persistently maintain these do not apply to self defence/defence but only revenge.
I say: This view is an excellent example of how Satan works and how he deceives people. Don’t let him continue to deceive you anymore. He knows it is far easier for men and women to use violence than to be real men and women who have the courage to follow Christ’s example of non violence. It is always tempting to retaliate.
What is Matthew 5:39 KJV really saying?
Let me show you.
‘…That ye resist not evil’.
Now, wouldn’t you say, that if someone RESISTS evil when they are being attacked, they are in some way, defending themselves?
Or let’s put it another way, how does one resist evil when they are being attacked? Would you agree that one method is by defending themselves?
Again, when Jesus says, ‘whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also’, isn’t Jesus effectively saying, do not defend (same as protect) your left cheek, but offer even that as well?
Would you agree?
In my last post, I said “Where does it say in Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 that violence should only be used as a last resort? Once you have answered question 1 (i.e “What is your definition of ‘enemy’’) please tell me how Matthew 5:38-39, 43-45 KJV is irrelevant as you have implied?”
You said: “It is irrelevant because Matthew is talking, not about self-defense, but vengeance, an “eye for an eye”. And violence should only be used to save the life of the innocent.”
I say: I have just proven that Matthew IS TALKING ABOUT SELF DEFENCE, DEFENCE AND VENGEANCE and the Christian response. To say otherwise and to extract any other meaning from this is to deceive yourself.
And where does it say in the New Testament, as you said, that “violence should only be used to save the life of the innocent”?
Please show me this in the New Testament.
You also said, concerning Matthew 5:38-39,43-45 KJV:
“Yes, they are from the standpoint of a wrong being committed and our response. We are not to seek vengeance as a response; “an eye for an eye.” It says nothing about defending the innocent from evil.”
I say: In my analogy I gave you, the women and her children were innocent. Is she allowed to fire missiles on the man to defend her innocent friends and relatives, who may also be hit by a stray missile from the man’s bombing campaign, just as it had killed her family? Wasn’t the death of her children evil?
I say: The account of Jesus’ arrest by the temple guards and priests teaches us what he requires of his servants – present and future:
Matthew 26:52 KJV:
Put your sword back in its place, for ALL those who take up the sword will die by the sword.
Toddott, if I said ‘Put your gun back in its holster, for ALL those who use the gun will die by the gun’, do you really think that by my saying ‘put your gun back in its holster’ rather than saying ‘throw it away’, that I mean that you may use it on another occasion? That is just pure mischief.
I maintain that Peter’s was a defensive act, for his Master Jesus, himself and the other disciples- undisputed and undeniable. He knew that the temple guards and priests had come to arrest and kill the Lord. They came armed with staves and swords to arrest him. Peter knew the lord and his followers were in danger. It was a pre emptive strike. All the issues we have been discussing in our posts have been summarised in this account.
However, Satan had deceived you and you said, in your last post that:
“1)NONE of the disciples had any idea that Jesus was going to die even though He told them PLAINLY….”
I say: That is an absolute LIE. Peter knew, as well as the other disciples. Peter did not want Jesus to die.
Perhaps you should follow your own advice and read the gospels- you may learn something.
Here’s proof:
Mark 8:31-33 KJV
31And he began to teach them, that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
32AND HE SPAKE THAT SAYING OPENLY. And Peter took him, AND BEGAN TO REBUKE HIM.
33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples also, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
If Peter did not understand what the Lord was telling him, why did he rebuke Jesus, who in turn rebuked him?
You said: “Nor did they know that any of them were in danger.”
I say: That is an absolute LIE. They all knew it, because Jesus had told them at the last supper that he was going to be betrayed by one of them and that he would be delivered into the hands of the Jews, in fulfilment of the prophets and what he had already explained to them before. They knew it because he asked them to carry two swords and because the guards came with swords, clubs and staves to arrest them. And if they did not know, why did they flee?: Their minds would have had to be extraordinarily “dull” not to know this, given these facts and what Christ had already told them.
Luke 22:52 KJV
Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?
Matthew 26:56 KJV
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him and fled.
I say, from Matthew 26:52, Matthew 5:38-45 and John 18:36 (see below), that a CHRISTIAN is prohibited from killing- either for vengeance or for self defence or for defence as proven from the above mentioned verses and also below:
John 18:36 KJV
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: IF MY KINGDOM WERE OF THIS WORLD, THEN WOULD MY SERVANTS FIGHT, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: BUT NOW is my kingdom not from hence.
Again, Satan caused you to ignore the above reference in my last post. I also said: “And please note that the above (verse) refers to a war situation, one kingdom against another”, which you also ignored.
What is your understanding of this verse?
Jesus stated elsewhere that the prince of this world is Satan (see John 12:31,John 14:30, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Ephesians 2:2). What Jesus says in John 18:36 acknowledges this fact and also what he said Matthew 5:45KJV ‘…that ye may be children of your Father which is in heaven: for He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and the good’.
Therefore, it is also obvious, that those who do not follow these commands are following the commands of Satan, who may rightly be said to be their father.
Consider the Lord’s Prayer- ‘Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. THY KINGDOM COME, thy will be done on earth, AS IT IS IN HEAVEN…’
It is therefore undeniable that FOR THE CHRISTIAN, IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO ENGAGE IN PHYSICAL WARFARE IN THIS WORLD.
Would you agree?
Referring again to what Marianne said in an earlier post concerning Matthew 5:38-45:
“ I have repeatedly referred to self defense, and fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen.”
I said : “Here you have added yet another dimension- ‘fighting to prevent attacks that were verified to happen’??
So, even before the attacks happen, you would kill potential attackers-because YOU THOUGHT they were going to attack you. This you call ‘self defence’?
How did you manage to glean this new doctrine from Matthew 5:38-45?
Toddott, you replied: “This is in reference to war, specifically in reference to the Middle East.”
I asked you both twice, Marianne and Toddott, for your definition of ‘enemy’. Marianne, you did not reply.
Toddott, you said “Anyone who is an enemy of the Cross, I consider an enemy.”
Toddott, have you not stopped to consider that Muslims are ‘enemies of the Cross’? The commandment for CHRISTIANS is to ‘Love our enemies…’. Jesus says we must follow these commands if we are the children of God in heaven. How does one reconcile this by dropping bombs on them?
I think you must both be non Christians as you cannot seem to grasp this. Am I right?
In the analogy I gave earlier, it is also double standards how you could not accept the woman’s ‘legitimate’ later claim of self defence. I say ‘legitimate’ by the measure you use- I do not condone any violence on her part if she claims to be Christian, although I can understand her using violence if she is a non Christian.
Regarding your last post, you omitted to use quotation marks, and so although you quote some of what I said, some of it continues straight in to your answer, so that some people may mistakenly think that I actually said it.
So, just to clarify, I said:
“It seems in your books, the man was innocent of blowing up the woman’s family because that was not his intention- despite his knowing from history that many missiles fly off target- and because he acted in what you call ‘self defence’.
However, you say that you do not find it all acceptable if the woman killed the man and his family- because you say that this would be revenge.
What if, according to your own belief, she claimed that she was acting in ‘self defence’- just as the man was claiming? After all, would she be wrong in thinking that this man, with his butcher mentality, would continue to fire missiles, many of which would miss their target and possibly kill her the next time, or her friends and relatives?”
You answered: “ 1) The man had already killed her family. She was seeking revenge, not defending anyone, no matter what she ‘claimed’. You can’t defend what’s already dead.”
I say: Firstly, it might help if you bothered to read the whole scenario I put to you, rather than closing your eyes like Marianne and trying to absorb it through the keyboard. I did say that she had friends and relatives she would like to defend. But thank you, Toddott, for once again contradicting yourself, and thereby revealing your true thoughts.
So, you are saying, since you can’t defend what’s already dead, it must be revenge? Then what do you call it when a nation is attacked by another nation, and some of her citizens are killed, and she attacks in response, just like the analogy of the woman who had surviving relatives and friends? Obviously, according to what you have said, it is not defence, is it? It’s revenge! Supposing if there were no survivors at all, if all the citizens were killed. According to you, if the nation attacks in response, it would be revenge. Would you agree, Toddott?
And as you rightly said, vengeance is not permitted for the CHRISTIAN. Did I understand you correctly?
If you haven’t figured it out yet, violence breeds violence, and THAT IS WHY Jesus stated the absolute fundamental rules for non violence for CHRISTIANS.
You then went on to offer a scenario about a girl being raped and asked what I would do- would I fight him “knowing there is the possibility you might have to kill him to stop him” or let him continue while waiting for the police to arrive. In reply to this, I will say that I had already answered virtually the same question you had put to me in a previous post. Please read it.
And I disagree with your statement “knowing there is the possibility you might have to kill him to stop him”. There are many ways to overcome a man, none of which involve killing him, unless it is done on purpose, or by mistake. Killing seems to be your default preferred response.
But you are also attaching far too much importance to me- as to what I would do. I am not Christ. You need not worry about what I would do, but instead concentrate on what Christ commands us to do. And that is what this discussion is all about.
Dealing with your other points:
Concerning Matthew 26:52 KJV:
Put your sword back in its place, for ALL those who take up the sword will die by the sword.: :
Well, at least you finally admitted that Jesus applied this to ALL, even if your statement confirms it in a somewhat ridiculous manner.
You said: “Yes, it does apply to ALL. That was not my point. My point was that Jesus told a Peter to put the sword back in it’s place.”
Your ‘point’, apart from stating the patently obvious, misses the main point entirely and evades the core issue of Jesus’ statement here and in Matthew 5:38-45, which prove that the sword may not be used in revenge or defence (as explained earlier in my post) BY A PERSON CLAIMING TO BE A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST.
Dealing with your point about Galatians 1:6-9 first:
I had quoted Paul in Galatians 1:6-9 KJV.
You said: “Taken out of context. This has nothing to do with our discussion. Paul is referring to Law vs Grace. You are implying that Pacifism is “The Gospel”.
I say: Don’t be ridiculous. I am saying that ‘Pacifism’ is part of the Gospel of Christ; And that Christians going into physical battle/war to fight and kill is no part of the Gospel of Christ.
Read Galatians 1:8 KJV again
“…. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
I say: What does Paul mean by ‘ANY other gospel’? He obviously means any other teaching/doctrine which is removed from the Gospel of Christ. He makes this GENERAL statement, and then introduces the subject of Law vs Grace as an example of one area of false teaching which the church at Galatia was following. When he says ‘any other gospel’ it applies to any false doctrine.
As confirmed by:
1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Or are you going to tell me that he was implying that ‘The Gospel’ is ‘to marry and eat meats’??
Concerning Luke 3:14 KJV, I said in my last post to you:
“Luke 3:14 KJV
And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
You say this is a bad translation. You offered an alternative and I proved your translation incorrect, but you refuse to accept this. I say my translation is correct and not only that, it is backed up by 11 other Bible translations. The translation I provided was the only translation available for the western world for a period of centuries.”
You said:
“ 1)You proved nothing. You made an absurd response by implying that it was ok to extort as long as they did it without force.”
I say:
My response indicated the absurdity of your translation. Read my response again.
You also said:
“2) “Being the only translation available for a period of centuries” is irrelevant. 24 translations translate the word as ‘extort by violence’. And no, it doesn’t imply extortion without violence is permitted.”
I say:
Suppose you had to explain this to someone with very poor English. Please will you explain how you would endorse a translation which translates a SINGLE WORD as “Extort by violence”? Could you explain the meaning of this phrase to them, and how it makes any logical sense?
Please explain it to them and myself also- using a dictionary. I am very interested to hear your explanation.
Of course, the only acceptable alternative translation of Luke 3:14 is “no extortion, no violence”, which also conveys the spirit of what John is saying- but you think you know better.
You also said:
“3) ‘Be content with your wages.’ Again, John never told the soldiers to leave their profession. He told them to be content with the wages they receive as soldiers. Nor did Jesus ever tell the Centurion and soldier to leave the army.’
I say:
This is an argument from silence. The Bible does not tell us if they later left, or if they stayed and renounced their oaths to serve the Emperor and tried to work in the military without using weapons in a non violent capacity. Remember, if they stayed in the military, they would have to continue to swear allegiance to the Emperor and State, rather than God. Are you saying that Jesus would be happy about that?
We know from history that those Roman soldiers who later renounced the army and violence when they became Christian were executed.
But there is another instance where people were made to change their way of thinking and put down their weapons:
‘Let him who is without sin cast the first stone’.
Jesus said this to the crowd who were about to stone the woman caught in adultery. Yes, at first glance, he seems to imply that the woman should be stoned by the people. But of course, he leaves it to the people to understand the full import of what he was saying and they put their stones down of their own accord. This is exactly what John was trying to do in Luke 3:14 KJV- he was appealing to their good sense.
You also said in your last post:
“4) Your thinking is foolish and irrational”
I say: No, my thinking is right and aligned with God’s word. Toddott and Marianne, You are thinking as man thinks, not as God thinks.
Concerning the Antichrist RC Trinity, and your profound statement that to understand God one should think of Him in this manner, “not 2+2=5 but 1+1+1 = 1”:
You said in your last post:
“God cannot be understood through human reason.”
I say: I was wondering when that one was going to come up- I have been expecting it. It is the standard answer given by all RC Trinitarians when they cannot make head or tail of the absolute nonsense they made up.
Actually, for your information, we are supposed to be like the Bereans and we are exhorted to ‘test and prove all things’, so please do not try my intelligence. God would not give us a new revelation/doctrine in the third and fourth centuries, something unheard of by the apostles and the early church of the first two centuries, and which cannot be proven from scripture, when He, Himself, demands that ‘we prove all things’.
If it was a new revelation/doctrine from God, why was it necessary for it to be enforced through the murder of millions? Just like Islam. That in itself should tell you the spirit of this new doctrine.
Let’s explore this new revelation/doctrine further.
You said: “What we are saying is, the Father, Son and Spirit are different, but they are ALL EQUALLY GOD. And the Bible is clear on that. This is not heresy”.
So, you believe that Jesus is God Almighty as well?
This is heresy. It is an antichrist doctrine. You are denying the testimony the Father gives of the Son, and the testimony the Son gives of the Father, nullifying them both and thus creating a false god. Your Triune God is a false god.
Well, let’s see what Jesus in the Bible says about himself:
John 17:3 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
John 14:28 KJV
…I go to my Father, for my Father is greater than I
Let’s also not forget confirmation from the apostles John and Paul:
John 8:24 KJV
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Who did Jesus say he was?
Matthew 24:5 KJV
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
John 9:35-38 KJV
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
John 4:24-26 KJV
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
John 16:15-17 KJV
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for FLESH AND BLOOD HAD NOT REVEALED IT unto thee, BUT MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 KJV
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, THEN SHALL THE SON ALSO HIMSELF BE SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.
The above confirms the Book of Revelation. One RC Trinitarian once said to me that the Book of Revelation is a spurious book and therefore for him it was irrelevant as proof that the RC Trinity doctrine is false. What do you say? Would you say that this was the response of a Christian?
Revelation 3:12 KJV
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God…
Toddott, how many times did Jesus say he had a God in this verse? Was it four times? Please correct me if I’m wrong. And remember, he had ascended into heaven at this time, where he later takes up his place at the right hand of the Father, so you cannot say that this was only the status quo he held with his Father when he was here on Earth.
Toddott, when someone makes a person his God, is it fair to say that that ‘someone’ is subordinate to the person he has made his God?
By any stretch of the imagination, would it be possible for that someone to imply that he is equal to his God once he had made this statement?
Please give me your thoughts.
You totally ignored the proof I gave Dru regarding the titles applied to Christ in Revelation?
How is it that you have so great difficulty in reading plain English?
The title ‘who was, and is and is to come’ is only given to the Father Almighty, not Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1 :4-5 KJV
4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Please show me where in Revelation the title ‘who was, and is and is to come’ is applied to Christ.
The title used for Christ is ‘who was alive, and was dead, and alive again forever’.
Revelation 1:18 KJV
18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Toddott, do you agree?
If the RC Trinity was so important, how is it that Jesus and the apostles were so silent about it? Jesus had recited the Shema to the Jews many times. Jews have traditionally, to this day, only thought of one God, the Father Almighty. His name is Yahweh (YHWH).
If the new Jewish Christians were still having arguments with Peter just for eating food with Gentiles, don’t you think there would have been at least an account in the gospels if Peter tried to slip one by them in the form of the RC Trinity, and at the very least, an explanation??
What about Jesus? Can you imagine him telling the Jews that their one God who they had been worshipping for the past 1,500 years, was actually three, whole, fully equal Gods, who were different persons united into one, so that the three Gods were actually now one God and not three Gods,- and oh- he is a member of the team?
There is no such account in the Bible and such a doctrine is nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Yes, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can be found in the same line, but the result is nothing resembling the RC Trinity. If such a doctrine was so important to one’s salvation, don’t you think Jesus and the apostles would have said it?
What he actually said was:
John 17:3 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
Jesus’ statement is TOTALLY DIFFERENT to the mumbo jumbo of the RC Trinity declaration.
Quite simply, the reason the Gospels are silent on the RC Trinity is because Jesus and the disciples never knew a Triune God.
Toddott and all RC Trinitarians, I want you to think about something. It is a known fact that you consider those who disbelieve the RC Trinity to be heretics and outside the ‘church’. In fact, The RC Church still retains this idea. In the past it ordered executions. Now, it still makes the pronouncement that such a person is eternally damned.
I put it to you, that on the Day of Judgement, which would you prefer to have more faith in?
If asked by God for my reasoning, I will point to the word of God where such things are clearly written without contradiction and handed down through generations from Jesus, the apostles and the early church.
What will you do? Tell God that he is a Triune being, ‘The Great 1+1+1 =1’, because you and a bunch of third and fourth century church leaders happen to think it is the sum total of everything written in the Bible about Him? If He asked how you arrived at this calculation, no doubt you will say to Him,“ I don’t know- I was hoping you could tell me”.
Concerning John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
Firstly, I will again point out the the sheer hypocrisy and contradictory nature of the RC Trinity. Toddott, you used this verse to claim that Jesus IS the Father, and not that they are of ‘one accord’.
Please Toddott, could you explain one simple thing to me?
You said (emphasis mine):
“What we are saying is, the Father, Son and Spirit ARE DIFFERENT, but they are all equally God. And the Bible is clear on that. This is not heresy”.
No doubt you will tell me that this can only be understood by God. Am I right?
Your thoughts please.
I say:
“Jesus means ‘of one accord’, just as we may be of one accord with the Father and the Son, not that he or we are the same as the Father! Try reading the verses in context for a change.”
You said:
“The verse was not taken out of context. If Jesus had meant “in one accord” He would have used the word that means “in one accord”.
“homothymadon’
1)With one mind, with one accord, with one passion.
Instead He used the word that means “one”
Heis
1)one
Jesus was alluding to the Old Testament, as He always did, and used the word “heis”. And word agrees means “one”, NOT “in one accord”
‘echad:
1)one (number)
a)one(number), b)a certain c) an (indefinite article) e) only, once, once for all….
Tell me how you get “in one accord” out of ‘heis’ or ‘echad’”
I SAY:
Heis: a primary number
Definition
one
NASB Translation
agreement (1), alike* (1), alone (3), common (1), detail (1), first (9), individual (2), individually* (1), lone (1), man (1), nothing* (1), one (282), one another (1), one man (2), one thing (5), one* (2), person (1), single (1), smallest (1), someone (2), thirty-nine* (1), unity (1).
STRONGS Word No. “1520” NT 1520: εἷς
εἷς, μία, ἐν, genitive ἑνός, μιᾶς, ἑνός, a cardinal numeral, one. Used:
1. universally,
man, one another, only, other, some
I SAY: Echad:
Bible Lexicon.org
one
‘echad (ekh-awd’)
united, i.e. one; or (as an ordinal) first
Strong’s (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
#259.
אֶחָד
echad (25c); a prim. card. number; one:—
NASB – 151,450*(1), 41,500*(2), 61*(1), 61,000*(1), 621*(2), 721*(1), alike(1), all at once(1), alone(2), altogether(1), another(23), another into one(1), any(15), any one(2), any*(1), anyone*(1), apiece(1), certain(11), certain man(1), each(48), each one(4), each other(1), each*(4), eleven*(9), eleventh*(4), every(1), everyone(1), few(3), first(38), forty-first*(1), forty-one*(4), numbered(1), once(14), once*(4), one(586), one and on another(1), one and the other(2), one at the other(1), one can him who(1), one the other(1), one to another(1), one will to another(1), one another(4), one thing(2), one thing to another(1), one-tenth(1), one-tenth for each(1), only(2), other(27), other was one(1), outermost*(1), same(25), same one(1), single(15), some(2), thirty-first*(1), thirty-one*(3), together(3), twenty-first*(4), twenty-one*(4), uniformly*(2), unique(4), unison(1), unit(4), united(1), whom(1).
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A numeral from H0258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first:—a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
The Hebrew word ‘echad’ can mean either the number ‘one’ itself, ie ‘single’/’primary number’ ( when Jewish children count from one to ten , ‘echad’ is number one, and is always used, not Yachid) or ‘one’ in the sense of ‘unity’ or ‘of one accord’ or ‘unity of purpose’- just like the English usage of ‘one’. The word can have both meanings depending on the context and the use of the pronouns in the sentence.
Proof from scripture:
Genesis 11:6 KJV And the LORD said, Behold the people is one (echad) and they have all one language, and this is they begin to do; and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
This is explained even more clearly in:
Genesis 26:10 KJV
10 And Abimelech said, What is this thou hast done unto us? one (echad) of the people might lightly have lien with thy wife, and thou shouldest have brought guiltiness upon us.
Genesis 21:15 KJV
15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one (echad) of the shrubs.
Genesis 41:25 KJV And Joseph said to Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one (echad); God hath shown Pharaoh what he is about to do:
Pharaoh had two dreams, here it is merely implied that they had the same meaning.
Again, I say, read it in context.
The Greek word ‘heis’ can also be used as above, like the English usage of ‘one’. I maintain that in John 10:30 that Jesus was speaking of him and the Father being in ‘one accord’, or an alternative but similar meaning, of ‘one mind’.
Proof from scripture of similar uses for ‘heis’:
Galatians 3:28 KJV
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one (heis) in Christ Jesus.
So Toddott, would you say the Jew and the Greek are now ‘one being’ as you suggest in John 10:30- or that they have a ‘unity of purpose’, and are of ‘one accord’?
Oh, and perhaps you can tell me why didn’t they use “homothymadon”?
Some more:
Hebrews 2:11KJV
For both He that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one ( heis), for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren.
Romans 12:5KJV
So we, being many, are one (heis) body in Christ and every one (heis) members of one another.
Toddott, when Paul says we are one body in Christ, this does not mean that we are Christ, neither does it mean that we are as members equal to each other, Christ himself said that there will be those who are greater and those who are least in heaven.
Do you agree?
John 10:30 KJV
I and my Father are one (heis).
John 11:52 KJV
And not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one (heis) the children of God who were scattered abroad.
John 17:11 KJV
And now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee Holy Father, keep through thine own name, those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one,(heis) as we are.
John 17:20-23 KJV
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;21 That they all may be one (heis), as thou, Father (art) in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one (heis) in us, that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.22 And the glory which you gavest me I have given them, that they may be one (heis), just as we are one (heis)23 I in them and thou in me; that they may be made perfect in one (heis), and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them as you hast loved me.
Toddott, would you agree that when Jesus says:
‘that they may be one (heis), just as we are one (heis), 23 I in them and thou in me;’
that does not mean we have become the same divine being, and that we are not now become God Almighty?
Toddott, you used the word ‘Elohim/Elohiym’.
You said: ‘They are Elohiym’
Smith’s Bible Dictionary:
The plural form of ‘Elohim’ has given rise to much discussion. The fanciful idea that it referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God (p. 220).
I SAY:The plural of Eloah is Elohim. It is related to El. The meaning is ‘judge/judges’, ‘god’, ’God’, or ‘mighty one’.
‘Eloah’ and ‘El’ used in the Old Testament to refer to the true God, are in the singular form.
Examples are below:
Eloah: Deut. 32:15, Neh. 9:17, Job 4:9 and Ps. 114:7. El :Genesis. 17:1, Exodus. 34:6, Joshua. 3:10, Isaiah. 5:16 and Psalm. 29:3.
More proof that Jesus cannot be Almighty God, the Father:
Psalm 22:1-2,10
1 My God (El), my God (El), why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God (Elohim), I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. …
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God (El) from my mother’s belly.
The King James Version, (Cambridge Ed).
Isaiah 49:1,3,5-6 KJV: (http://www.qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/isaiah/49.html)
1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; Yahweh hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
3 And said unto me, Thou [art] my servant, OYisrael, in whom I will be glorified.
5 ¶ And now, saith Yahwehי that formed me from the womb [to be] his servant, to bring Yaakovיַ again to him, Though Yisraelי be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes ofYahweh and my Elohim shall be my strength.
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Ya`áköv and to restore the preserved of Yisrä´ël I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Toddott, how can Jesus be Almighty God, when God speaks of him as his servant and Jesus speaks of him as his Elohim (plural) and also in the singular El?
More proof that the word Elohim may be applied in the singular:
In Exodus 4:16 and 7:1, God calls moses a ‘god’. The word used is ‘Elohim’ in the plural.
A single pagan god is referred to as ‘elohim’ in the plural in Judges 11:24 Chemosh) and 2 Kings 1:2 (Baalzebub). Also 1 Samuel 5:7 (Dagon) and 1 Kings 18:24 (Baal).\
Were they all ‘pagan trinities’?
Toddott, it is a fact that the New Testament writers quoted from the LXX Septuagint, the earliest translation we have of the Hebrew text, approximately 200-300 BC. The translation into the Greek for God the Father was always ‘Theos’, ie God, in the singular. At no time in history have Jews or Christians ever said that there is more than one God. If you are still adamant that Elohim implies plural gods, then the ‘three in one god’ of the RC Trinity is a poor translation- you would have to say that God is actually ‘Gods’, and that there are actually three of them!
1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV
6 But to us there is but one (heis) God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one (heis)Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Toddott, after all this proof, don’t you think it’s time you seriously examined and then dropped your erroneous belief in the RC Trinity?
Well, Jacob. I was going to remain silent, but you will not have it.
Why is it that you continue to spew lies regarding the trinity being a roman catholic doctrine, despite the proof to the contrary.
This doctrine of three persons in one is the “scarlet thread” that links both old and new testaments together. from Genesis 1- Revelation 22. God is called Elohyim, which is the plural of El. In the beginning we have his voice (Word), and his Spirit hovering over the earth. We Have three “angels” appearing to Abraham, Moses is visited by an “angel”, a fire, and a voice in the burning bush. The name Adonai is a plural. God is often described in plural terms such as “faces, presences, persons, we, us, our, they, creators, makers, husbands, etc.” These plurals are often followed by the singular God, thus three persons in one.
In Joshua 5:13 we have a “Christophany” with the appearance of the commander of the Lord’s army, who clearly says he was sent by the Lord, Yet the ground on which he stands is declared holy, and he is worshipped by Joshua. now either he is God, or Joshua is violating the first commandment given to Moses?
In Phillipians we have the following testimony of Paul:
” Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” KJV
Now I mentioned the distinction between the “unbegotten Father”, and the begotten son, which many corrupt to say that Jesus was less than God the father, but his submisiveness to the unbegotten, is indicative of his righteousness and divinity. Much like what we speak is determined by our mind, and thoughts. To put it bluntly, Jesus is the very incarnation of God’s righteousness in the world, and his love for his creation made manifest. “His word became flesh”.
Now I know petty minds cannot grasp this sort of concept, especially those that only think in carnal terms such as yours. So I will forgive your ignorance. But do not sit there and say that the trinity is a “Pagan Roman catholic” doctrine. This is a flat out LIE and deception on your part. The fact that you base your whole argument on this lie, which is fed by the hatred of the catholics on the part of protestents is even more despicable. The only fruit you are producing is hatred and divisiveness.
scarletthread,
You said: “Now I know petty minds cannot grasp this sort of concept, especially those that only think in carnal terms such as yours. So I will forgive your ignorance. But do not sit there and say that the trinity is a “Pagan Roman catholic” doctrine. This is a flat out LIE and deception on your part. The fact that you base your whole argument on this lie, which is fed by the hatred of the catholics on the part of protestents is even more despicable. The only fruit you are producing is hatred and divisiveness.”
I say: I am not a Protestant. I am a non-denominational Christian. I do not hate Roman Catholics, I hate Satan’s lies which they are promoting. And you are wrong, I am not a liar. It is you who are the liar.I base my whole argument on the Bible, the word of God, not on a man made doctrine called the RC Trinity doctrine that falsely describes the relationship between the one True God the Father Almighty and His Son our Lord Jesus Christ, and is not even understood by those who promote it.
So don’t be pathetic, stop your evasionary tactics and address the specific points I made in my last post if you disagree. And if you disagree, present your reasons from Scripture- chapter and verse.
Even the Jews of Jesus day saw that Jesus was claiming to be God.
jacob
do not call people names here…”liar” is a bit extreme….
Marianne,
Recently I came across this short You Tube video concerning the BEAST and his mark, and the Anti-Christ. I had to put my mouse pointer on the pause each time to read the captions and texts, as it goes very quickly.
I have never seen this view before, but find it interesting how the author came to his conclusions. Here is the address: –
Jacob,
Now I have given you proof that the trinity is NOT a Roman catholic doctrine, yet you still claim it is. The trinity is found in both Old and New Testaments, the pre-Nicene writings of the early church dating to the time of the apostles, and now even the Jews killed Jesus for making this claim.
You say this is a teaching of Satan. I say God will be the Judge. I will hold to the testimony of Jesus himself: ” I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me you would have known the Father also. From NOW ON you do know him AND have SEEN him….Whoever has SEEN ME has SEEN the FATHER.” (John 14:6-7,9)
According to this, You are saying that Jesus is “promoting the teaching of Satan.” Like I said, God will be the Judge.
We, who proclaim that Jesus is the Lord, know who it is that you serve, and it IS NOT the Jesus of the Bible.
I Pray Jesus that you will intercede in this debate, and that you will touch Jacob and reveal yourself to him. Lord Forgive him, for he does not know what he is doing. In Jesus Name I pray, Amen.
” The Lord Make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you”
scarletthread,
If you had read my posts, you would have seen that I had already covered John 14:6-9.
You would also have read that I acknowledged that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are in the Bible, but what the Bible says does not translate into the RC doctrine of the trinity, ie what you believe- co-eternal, co-equal, Triune God,etc.
I note that you did not address any of my specific points as to why I say the RC Trinity doctrine is false.
I trust that you sincerely mean what you say at the end of your post. I will pray to my God YHWH in Jesus name for you, in the hope that your eyes and mind will be opened to the truth.
scarletthread and jacob
When Jesus said that in John 14, he was indicating that he was the image of the father in heaven. In other passages, he states he only repeats what the father tells him, and he prays to his father in heaven. so they are separate “persons.” there is a father, son and holy spirit in the bible, but the question here is whether they are all equal or not…….and this is a theological debate about what trinity means and does not mean……there is a great deal of mystery about how there can be one god, yet 3 spirits are mentioned…..it is a worthy topic of discussion, but our salvation is not dependent upon whether we get our theology right, but whether we trust in the blood of Jesus to save us….
god bless you both…do not go off balance on this issue…..see it as an academic issue
Jacob,
My point to you, is that the trinity is not a roman catholic doctrine. Yet you keep on claiming that it is, despite the fact that I have shown you now four examples which predate the existence of the roman catholic church.
1. The Jews killed Jesus for blasphemy, saying that he equated himself with God.
2. The early Christian writers held to the Doctrine of the trinity, having coined the very term “trinity”. Thus it was not a roman catholic term, since this term was coined 100+ years prior to Constantine.
3. There is a thread within Old testament scripture where the Godhead is revealed to Israel in the form of a plurality, and as a unity.
4. Iregardless of how you interpret John 14:6-9, Jesus made the claim to be visible presence of God the Father, “whoever has seen me, has seen the father”.
Now I know that I cannot convince you to “convert” to my beliefs with coercion or force, as this is solely your choice. I will leave that to God. He will teach you, if you are willing to listen to his “voice”. I pray that you do hear his voice, calling you.
If not, you at the very least need to acknowledge that the trinity is NOT a roman catholic doctrine, as I have logically proved to the contrary above. What you are saying in effect, when you make this claim, is like saying hot dogs are result of American imperialism, despite the fact that sausages have been around for millenia. Though America made the hot dog popular, they did not invent the sausage. You are just making a fool of yourself, by accepting the historical impossibility.
God bless, Rev. 3:20
Scarletthread,
Trust me, I’m not the one who’s making a fool of himself. I speak from what I know. What I have seen, you have not seen. What I have heard, you have not heard.
So listen, if you wish to save yourself.
The RC Trinity doctrine is a false doctrine. If you wish to be ignorant, and willfully misread my words, then be ignorant. Tertullian used the word ‘trinitas’. So what? Jesus, the apostles and the early church never knew the ‘trinity’ in the terms you understand them- ie in the terms of the RC Church and their doctrine of the trinity.
You are following a false doctrine, and yet you seem more content to waste time debating when it was introduced, rather than waking up from your stupor.
Considering that it is the RC trinity doctrine that you are following, perhaps you should read what RC’s have to say about it:
John L. McKenzie, S.J (A Roman Catholic respected by RC’s):Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
Dealing with some of your other points:
John 10:33-36 KJV
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Scarletthread- please note that the Jews thought Jesus was claiming to be God because Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, not God Himself. Jesus explains what he means in vs 35 and v36 above. Jesus never claimed to be God Almighty.
Scarletthread, do you understand now?
John 14:9 is explained by vs 7:
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Jesus clearly says here that if Philip had known Jesus, as in understood/perceived, he would have known his Father also. Nothing to do with them being one and the same person!
Similarly, again,
John 12:44-45 KJV
Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him who sent me. And he that seeth me, seeth him that sent me.
Here, the meaning is clear to anyone who has not been indoctrinated
into the RC Trinity doctrine.
You said: “If not, you at the very least need to acknowledge that the trinity is NOT a roman catholic doctrine, as I have logically proved to the contrary above. What you are saying in effect, when you make this claim, is like saying hot dogs are result of American imperialism, despite the fact that sausages have been around for millenia. Though America made the hot dog popular, they did not invent the sausage. You are just making a fool of yourself, by accepting the historical impossibility.”
I SAY: You are following the RC Trinity doctrine- this you have admitted yourself, by the fact you agree with it. You have proved nothing except the fact that you cannot answer any of my specific points. Finally, amongst all the fluff, you resort to an analogy about sausages and American Imperialism!
Listen Bud, answer my specific questions. But don’t waste my time with a false show of holiness in the hope you may deceive others by it.
Jacob,
Isn’t it funny, how you resort to quoting a roman catholic theologian to prove your point….I thought they were pagan? LOL
I cannot “argue you into the Kingdom of God”, neither can we win favor to gain entry therein. My point all along to you is simple. The trinity is not a roman catholic doctrine. Now unlike you, I have read the actual writings of the early church fathers. I could give you a five hundred page report on this if I so felt compelled, but that would not matter to you. (Not to mention the moderator probably would not appreciate it.)
Jesus said to Thomas, as I have quoted before, “blessed are those who have not seen, and yet believe” (John 20:29) This is the essence of saving faith. (read Hebrews 11) I cannot make you see first, but you must first believe, and then you will see. This is why I do not try to address your arguments point by point as you have requested.
Marianne said, this is not a salvation issue. I believe that it is. Because at the very heart of this is faith. Faith is a conviction of the heart, and not a mental comprehension. What you are looking for is proof that Jesus is the Lord (Mental proof). If I could give this to you, there would be no impetus for faith. And we are saved by “faith alone through grace alone”.
You can respond to this in one of two ways. A. You can reject that Jesus is the Lord, which you are free to do. B. You can believe this with faith, and then He will show you the “proof”, which you are free to do as well. I have chosen the second one, and I am convinced in my heart that Jesus is God incarnate.
For me, this has never been about winning an argument with you, but rather sharing the Gospel with you. Whether or not you receive Jesus as Lord or reject him is up to you. Being a Christian is about putting to death the old self, and being reborn in him. The Word “Kyrios” is used for “Lord” in the new testament Greek. Its meaning is “Master”. If Jesus is not God, and you are claiming him as “Lord”, then you are serving two masters. The Phrase “Lord Jesus” (master Jesus) occurs 115 times in the bible. Did the apostles all make this error then of serving two masters? If Jesus is a man only, Then you are elevating a man to the status of God. Not to mention he would have been born with sin. If he was a Hybrid man god, or son of God as the angels were called, and Adam as well, then He is guilty of same sin as the fallen angels are. (Jude 6)
But Jesus was fully God, and fully human. He at any time could have called for his angels to come and rescue him, and bring wrath upon humanity. He chose not to out of mercy and love. He came not to judge the world, but to save the world. (John 12:47-48) ” And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
What I am trying to say to you here, is that instead of trying to win an argument, thereby elevating yourself, perhaps you should look in wonder at his supreme sacrifice for YOU and me, both sinners, who put to death our savior and LORD on the cross that we through his shed blood may be redeemed. You either receive this testimony with faith, or you reject it. The “word that he has spoken will be the Judge”.
Here is an example for you to consider. In the following verse, you will see “two masters”. I see one God. One uses logic and the mind of man to see, the other is revealed through faith. It is these words that will judge, and many more like them. (you may want to look closely at the Greek on this one, but even then you will probably not see.)
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Jude 4)
God bless. Sorry if I have wasted your time. Sharing the Gospel is not a waste of time to me!
Well, I did say you are ignorant. It’s hardly a precedent.Actually, I am in highly distinguished company. The great Apostle James – you may have heard of him – uses the testimony of demons to support his statement:
James 2:19 KJV
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble
Mark 5:7 KJV
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Satan, it seems , is also a better reader than you- at least he knows that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and not God Almighty Himself. And Jesus reply to him is just as revealing:
Matthew 4:5-8 KJV
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Scarletthread, You said: “For me, this has never been about winning an argument with you….The Word “Kyrios” is used for “Lord” in the new testament Greek. Its meaning is “Master”. If Jesus is not God, and you are claiming him as “Lord”, then you are serving two masters. The Phrase “Lord Jesus” (master Jesus) occurs 115 times in the bible. Did the apostles all make this error then of serving two masters?”
I SAY: At least that would explain why you keep losing your arguments with me. Or do you hope that by remaining silent you may be given the benefit of doubt and pass for being intelligent?
Strange that, considering the Lord demands that we have a ready answer for those who question the reason for the hope that is within us.
Your friend Dru also made a similar comment to me regarding the fact that I called Jesus my Lord. He said:
“You claim Jesus as Lord (Master), yet you say he is not God, who is your Master as well. Man cannot serve two masters, for you love the one and hate the other. Thus, if Jesus is not God, and you claim him as Master, you do not Love God the father.”
I SAY: Scarletthread, you obviously didn’t read my reply to Dru in an earlier post. I’ve copied it here for your benefit.
I SAID:
“Well, let’s see what Jesus Christ says on another occasion (I’ve used capitalisation for emphasis):
John 5:22-24 KJV
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 ALL MEN SHOULD HONOUR THE SON, EVEN AS THEY HONOUR THE FATHER. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father WHICH HATH SENT HIM.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH ON HIM THAT SENT ME, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
This is quite consistent with my calling Jesus my Lord and my calling God my Father.
In fact, the Apostle Paul also agrees :
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 KJV
And that is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, but to us THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER of whom are all things and we in him, AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things and we by him.
Romans 1:7 KJV
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, AND the Lord Jesus Christ.
So does the Apostle James:
James 1:1 KJV
1 James, A SERVANT OF GOD AND OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
So, James cannot serve two masters??
The Apostle John also agrees:
2 John 1:3 KJV
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, FROM GOD THE FATHER, AND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
So does the Apostle Peter:
1 Peter 1:3 KJV
3 Blessed be the GOD AND FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
And again:
2 Peter 1:2 KJV
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge OF GOD, AND OF JESUS OUR LORD,
There’s lots more if required, but I think I have made my point.”
Any comments, Scarletthread?
You also said: ” I cannot make you see first, but you must first believe, and then you will see. This is why I do not try to address your arguments point by point as you have requested.”
I SAY:That puts a new twist to the command of Jesus, ‘Go forth and make disciples of all nations’. So, according to you, we ‘must first believe, and then we will see’. Nonsense. You do not address my points for the simple reason that you have no answer.
Scarletthread, when are you going to admit that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about?
http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/christ-divinity.htm
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/9388/Seeing-is-Believing.htm
The great Christian writer Philip Yancey once said that faith is best defined as “Believing in advance in something that will only seem logical when seen in reverse.”
http://www.bible.ca/H-trinity.htm
Jacob,
If I do not have a clue what I am talking about, then neither do any of these people.
Now I could argue against you, how you rip a verse like James 2:19 totally out of its context to prove your point, But I will not.
As I pointed out to you as well, When James, and John say they serve God the Father, and Jesus the Son, they are not serving two masters, because Jesus said ” I and my Father are one.” (John 10:30). From my perspective of faith, there is no contradiction here. There are not two masters, only one.
Just like the verse from Jude that I quoted above, You see it one way, because you are looking with carnal eyes, while I see it another, because I am looking with spiritual eyes. Your view is based on reason, mine is based on faith. You are believing what you are seeing, I am believing and then seeing. It is like telling a color blind person that your coat is red. If they do not know that they are blind they will think you are crazy. There is a Christian song out there that has the lyric “Open the eyes of my heart Lord, so that I can see you”. These are your spiritual eyes.
Marianne,Jacob
The trinity is a unity, and a plurality. If one believes only in the unity, they fail to see the plurality. If one believes only in the plurality, they fail to see the unity. We as Christians believe in both a unity and a plurality. Jacob denies the unity of the Godhead.
Many a verse that he is using to defend his denial of the unity are verses that were put there to show the plurality, and he is ignoring those that discuss the unity. Jesus is “begotten” of the Father. But he is no less God.
This, by design, is not a concept our reason can understand. It is by faith that we believe first, and then the truth of it is revealed. If Jacob came and was denying the plurality, I would debate him using the very same verses he is using here. I am not denying the plurality or the unity. Father Son and Holy Ghost are different. God the Father as the only unbegotten part of the trinity is the first. Jesus is the Word, the voice of the Father, and thus obedient and submissive to the Father. The Holy Ghost, or Spirit of Truth, is the one that carries out the will of the Father, and thus is obedient to the Father. Submission and obedience are not signs of weakness, but rather signs of strength and equality. They are not in conflict with one another, but rather in union with one another. They are omnipresent with one another (Another concept human intellect cannot grasp). When Jesus died on the cross, God the father was there dying on the cross with him. Yet Jesus said, “my God, My God why hast thou forsaken me,” And the Spirit departed from him.” But because of the omnipresence of the three they each faced death through the one who suffered. You cannot divide a unity, neither can you add another God.
In this day and age, it is the unity of the trinity that is under attack, and they will use scripture to attack it. If Jesus is not fully God, Satan can then place another hybrid there to take his place, an “antichrist”. During that time, the dragon, and the false prophet, who both speak alike, will win all the arguments, using scripture to back them up. They will not deny the Son of God, but they will make Jesus into just another son of God, like Adam and the angels (Note the lack of capital letters). The same can be said in the opposite, a son of man will be elevated to the status of the Son of Man.
Thus the unity ascribes deity to the Son of God, which Satan will try to devalue into the son of God, so that a mortal being can be seen as Jesus.
The plurality ascribes humanity to the Son of Man, which Satan will try to make into god/man hybrid, and thereby place his own hybrid in the place of Jesus.
This whole time, Satan will win the arguments, and debates, and those who believe by faith in the unity and plurality of triune Godhead will believe without seeing.
” Not every one that saith unto me, ****Lord, Lord,**** shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, ****Lord, Lord,**** have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:21-23)
Look carefully at the above verses. Why “Lord, Lord” or “Master, Master”? Have a peek at the other verses where this double “Lord” is used.
Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. (Matthew 25:11, of the foolish virgins)
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (Luke 6:46 of those who do not build their house on a rock)
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: (Luke 13:25, regarding those who cannot enter through the narrow door)
Isn’t it just a little strange….coincidental maybe, that the only five times that “Kyrios, Kyrios” is used together, two masters, are in negative connotations, and associated with rejection, and not knowing God? HMMM! Could this possibly be the foundation that we “Know God”?
Again, as I quoted to Jacob above, ” And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
God Bless,
Scarletthread,
Satan has deceived you.
I will pray to my God YHWH in the name of His Son our Lord Jesus Christ, in the hope that someday you will come to know the Truth.
“And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.” (Mark 3:22)
I take your accusation as a badge of honor. Similar to the accusation of the scribes above.
jjacob and scarlett
your discussion does not match this page, which is about muslims and 666.
to both of you. do not call names…
you both have fixed opinions, so drop it
Marianne,
I am dropping it now. But this topic has everything to do with the number 666, and muslims, not to mention Jews, Hindus, Mormons, JW’s, Taoists, and Egoists. 🙂
Blessings to you Marianne. Shalom
bless to you as well.
I just do not want to see people giving themselves a headache over a debate that is not resolving
here is a PDF of C.S. Lewis’ book, “Mere Christianity” which was alluded to in the Peter Kreeft link above. To those who have not read it, they should.
Click to access Mere-Christianity-Lewis-chapters.pdf
May God bless you Jacob…Good debate, and well worth being had. Though we disagree, Somehow, I believe we will see each other in God’s kingdom, at which time we shall rejoice together.
“And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.” (1 John 5:20)
“Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” (John 6:46-47)
God bless.
sacrlet
Jacob is saying:
the Father is God.
Jesus is the son of God, so he does have a divine nature, and is entitled to be called Lord
there are 3 in heaven, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but only the Father is “God”
the power of the Father resides in the son and holy spirit in a shared divine essence.
but the source of the power is the Father
To all who are reading the above debate.
Here lie the two sides in the end days. One is the narrow road, the other is the strong delusion. You will have to make a choice here, there is no middle road.
Either Jesus is God, or he is not. This is the very testimony of Jesus that we must hold onto. Do we live by faith, or do we live by sight, because your eyes will deceive you? Do we know God as the scribes did, Mentally, or do we know him as bride knows the groom with conviction of heart?
Have Divine Revelations been Unsealed to you, Or are you relying on your own understanding of Truth?
When the Word of God says “Beloved” do you see his word speaking directly to you, or is it a book of philosophy for your mind?
Are you a guardian of this faith that is entrusted to you, or are you easily swayed by a mental argument?
Have you taken that leap of faith, or are you sleeping in your mental security?
Have you put to death the old self, and become a new creation in Christ?
Do you understand the scarlet thread that has been revealed throughout scripture, which was fulfilled in the blood of the Lamb that died on the cross? Or do you see it as a pagan teaching of the pagan roman catholic church?
“Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8)
” Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” (Col. 2:8-9)
1 Corinthians 13:8-10
Really, Scarletthread, you do talk a lot of tripe, to which, to coin a phrase, ‘I could give an answer, but I won’t’. Sound familiar?
You said:
“Jacob denies the unity of the Godhead.”
I SAY:Depends on what you mean by unity.I say and have said on numerous occasions very clearly that when Jesus says ‘I and the Father are one,’ that he means they are of one accord, not that they are one and the same person.
Incidentally, since you believe in a triune God, then you are certainly not a Christian.
You also said:
“This whole time, Satan will win the arguments, and debates, and those who believe by faith in the unity and plurality of triune Godhead will believe without seeing.”…..
…..”Are you a guardian of this faith that is entrusted to you, or are you easily swayed by a mental argument?”
I SAY: To all who are reading this, Satan is very cunning. See how he uses Scarletthread to put forward his lies.
Scarletthread will happily allude to and misinterpret scripture to the fool the unwary. But when he is caught out and proved wrong by someone else using scripture, he calls them Satan! In fact, he actually thinks it is the trademark of Satan to win an argument and debate by using the Bible!!
The mind boggles.
You have been unmasked, Scarletthread. You may fool a few weak minded people but you don’t fool me in the slightest.
You see, the Lord knows who are His own, and His chosen know His voice.
So, let’s see once more what God’s Word says on the subject:
Acts 17:10-11 KJV
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO.
I SAY: So, we can see that God considers it an admirable quality, and not satanic, that we consult scripture to see if a doctrine is true or false.
2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I SAY: Again, we are exhorted to consult scripture for doctrine, reproof, correction and for instruction in righteousness.Of course, Scarletthread will again, no doubt, call me Satan for winning the argument.
To the reader, you can either follow what Scarletthread believes or you can follow the Truth. It’s very simple. Just pick up a Bible and prayerfully read God’s Word.If you are sincere in wanting to know God, He will reveal Himself to you.
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
God bless
jacob.
stop arguing and drop it
you are just going to get and give a headache
Hi and Shalom,
Just a few thoughts about the relationship between Christ and his Father. It would appear that Jesus saw himself as subordinate to God, and therefore if Jesus was very God, it would make a nonsense of the idea that God is superior to Christ, if indeed they are equal! It would appear that the basis upon which an equality existed in the relationship between God and His Son, was that of a common purpose. The fundamental difference between God and His Son was that God cannot be tempted, however, Jesus was tempted (Heb 2:18) yet was always obedient unto the Father in that common purpose. It could therefore be said of Jesus, that he was just like his Father, because he perfectly manifested God’s Will in every thought and desire, as well as every word and deed.
The Trinitarian doctrine was not recognised as a statement of faith by Christ or his disciples. The Trinity was a political attempt by Constantine to bring peace and unity to a divided church, that was on the verge of fracturing beyond the point of repair. At least in part, the Trinity was probably an unintentional manipulation of the understanding of the relationship between God and His Son. The reason for this was that Constantine had tried to accommodate all the divided parties involved in the disputes, giving each of them an opportunity reach common agreement , and thereby end the schisms that had driven the church apart. In fact, the insertion of the non-scriptural term homoousion into the Trinitarian doctrine, was seen by the majority (apart from the Arians) as accommodating almost any interpretation. The problem with the term homoousia is that whilst homo means the same, ousia had a wider range of meaning, and varied according to the philosophical allegiance of the writer. In fact, the term homoousia had previously been branded by the Council of Antioch as being heretical. However, expediency where homoousia was concerned, suited Constantine’s attempts to create an all embracing definition of the Godhead and plurality of its composition, giving birth to the cult of Constantine and religious tyranny that ensued. Basically, the doctrine of the Trinity was an anti-Arian document, that evolved into a church statute for bigotry and sectarianism, resulting in the dispossession; imprisonment; torture; and murder of millions of so called heretics, including non-conformists and Jews. The Trinitarian cult of Constantine has licensed all that is anti-Christ, condoning all the acts of rebellion to Christ’s law of love, being swift to bless the bullet; bomb; and bloodshed of innocent folk!
Hi Curious,
Please read the following links, if you really want to know the truth. especially the second one.
http://www.cyshift.com/hebrew_roots.html
http://watch.pair.com/HRM.html
I hope you receive this as a warning, and not as being contentious.
God bless.
Hi Dru,
Thank you for the link, and I have to say I agree with its content. I found the read very stimulating, and not at all contentious. Without wanting to sound judgemental, I think that many churches, have on an international scale, become the Laodiceans of the modern age.
I have my own experiences of different denominations, where there has been evidence of legalism. A legalism which is nothing short of prejudice towards those who do not live according to a kosher diet, or where a brother is not wearing a suit and tie, or sisters who go naked to the judgement seat for not wearing hats in church. So, my question has always been: what ever happened to the belief that in CHRIST we are clothed in the armour of God, and the righteous garments of our Lord Jesus. I have heard the argument that: Oh well, if you were invited to have afternoon tea with the Queen, then you would surely go out of your way to wear the best suit and tie in your possession. Ok, if I was invited, yes I probably would, but whilst the world is concerned with externals, our God and Lord Jesus look to see how we are clothed on the inside. I have heard of some really sad horror stories, about the mistreatment of those for whom Christ died, because of Pharisaical attitudes of one kind or another.
Furthermore, I have heard of forced baptisms, where young members of church going families have argued that where their teenage children have a knowledge of God’s ways, and are therefore responsible, they were then pressured into confessing their faith and baptised. What ever happened to the idea of confessing one’s faith out of good conscience, and a conviction based upon a personal belief, and not merely a knowledge of what Christ has done. Sometimes the confession of faith came about on the basis of feeling obligated to a church elder or friend. Either way, there were cases of bullying another into a confession of faith in Christ, or for reasons other than a personal belief. When people talk about belief, it’s almost like their understanding doesn’t go beyond an academic belief, when it should be totally about trusting in Christ as our Saviour.
I myself have had some really bad experiences in the past, and ones that almost caused me a breakdown. Ok some members of the church were really nice, and some I still speak to on Facebook, but I left that particular church some years ago, and since leaving I have gradually got back on my feet, but not without anger getting the better of me from time to time. I am trying to let that anger go now, but it’s not easy. I feel I need to accept Christ more fully into my life, without thinking it had to be done because of pressure or because of belonging to a particular denomination. Surely faith is faith, and puts no limitations on where or when, provided that you truly trust in God’s plan of salvation in Christ.
Thank you for taking the time to read those.
The reason I brought them up, is because every cult has a problem with the divinity of Jesus. When we Make him Lord of our lives, we are not serving two masters, but rather one.
In the following link, you will see a handful of the other people that have a problem saying “Jesus is the Lord”. I have been in mainstream churches that have the trinity as a doctrine, but they do not believe this simple tenet of our faith. This is what we must believe in order to be saved. By faith at first, and then he will reveal the fullness of his deity to you, and give you assurance of its truth. This is the narrow road, as is evidenced by the plethora of “alternative interpretations” to this that are out there.
http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?id=593&list=multi
Consider this carefully, as there are viable explanations for all the verses that make people believe otherwise, and this is not a roman catholic pagan doctrine as some others coming on this site would tend to lead us to believe.
I hope your search for the truth leads to this one fact. I Pray the Holy Spirit Guide you in your search.
God Bless.
Hi Dru,
I would like to thank you for the link about the various religious bodies, that seem to be at variance with the doctrine of the Trinity. I too have had experience of main stream churches, as well as some other denominations. Whilst my acquaintance with those groups do not qualify me with any greater understanding of the word of God, like yourself, and as a consequence of the different viewpoints, I have felt the need with all due diligence to search for the truth.
Personally, I find the whole concept of the Trinity rather intriguing. More than for any other reason, is the fact that the Trinity was never taught by Jesus, would therefore strongly suggest to me that the doctrine is totally superfluous to the word of God, and for this reason alone is not necessary, and should not be taught. The Trinity was a political piece of legislation, designed to bring the divided east and western churches together, where the only thing that seemed to prejudice a unity, was variants of belief concerning the relationship between God and Christ. The fact that the doctrine of the Trinity was responsible for so many atrocities against those who would not accept it, is surely evidence enough to betray its un-Christ like authors, whose politics and warmongering were an anathema to the simple gospel message of loving God; His Son; and one’s neighbour as oneself! The Trinity was nothing more than a mandate for bigotry, political control of a growing church, and war against its opponents.
As far a recognising the divinity of Jesus Christ is concerned, the only thing the scriptures has to say about how we are to recognise Jesus, is what the apostle John says in his letter concerning the anti-Christ in 1 John 2 verse 22 “Who is a liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ – he denies the Father and the Son” So, anyone who does not acknowledge that Jesus is the anointed Son of God, and that God’s anointed came in the flesh is Antichrist. The apostle John has a lot to say about love being a chief ingredient in the life of a true disciple of Christ, and hatred a main character trait in the life of the Antichrist. The cult of Constantine has given birth to many denominations throughout history, where its sons and daughters have been groomed to manifest with equal intensity, the hatred associated with the politics of State sponsored liturgy, whose alleluias of praise the tank; battleship; and fighter-jet; are nothing less than defamatory actions against the love of Christ.
Yes, the Lord Jesus as the Son of God carries the name of Yahweh, in the same way that the name bearing angel does exactly the same. When a capital ‘L’ is used for Lord it is a reference to Yahweh Himself. When Abraham addresses the angels who come to destroy Sodom, he calls one of the them LORD in Gen 18. When Abraham pleads for the protection of possible righteous people still living in the cities of the plain, he appears to be talking to the chief angel who is acting as a representative for God. Also Exodus 23: 20-21 “Behold, I send an angel before you, to guard you on the way and to bring to the place which I have prepared. Give heed to him and hearken to his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression: for my name is in him”. Jesus Christ as Son of God and son of man, offers no problem where calling him Lord is concerned. As the anointed Lord Jesus whose name we honour equally to that of God his Father, we do so without making Jesus co-equal to God except in purpose, but more importantly by acknowledging the superiority of God, as well as the subordinate status of Jesus, neither do we dishonour the order and nature of the relationship between God and His Son!
Curious,
I would like to invite you to the page that I have just commented on regarding The first trumpet sounding. https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/first-trumpet-blows/
I agree with you on your point about this doctrine being used with unsound attitude as it has throughout the centuries, but this does not make it un true.
What You are saying in fact is the very same point that I am addressing there, But the unsound doctrine of denying the deity of Christ Jesus also bears bad fruit, as the list of cults above indicates. (I especially liked the Mushroom people one)
And You can come as yourself over there too. No need to hide on this page. Not to mention it is bogged down with too many comments and you tube videos.
To Curious about the Truth,
No born again Christian will ever formulate the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Trinity by reading the Bible- because it’s not there. It’s only when they go to mainstream church that they have this nonsense shoved down their throat. Keep the spirit of the Bereans, test everything, don’t fear the powerless and empty anathemas of the RCC.
God bless you.
Jacob
Your entire webpage lost credibility with me when you confused the character for Allah (الله) with the symbol of bismillah….and either way you wrote the symbol incorrect! the little “w” looking character goes above the middle…bismillah is also used as a term by arab christians, it just means “in the name of god”….Muslims dont believe the old testament was sent by satan they believe it was sent by ALLAH…the number 666 was never once mentioned by prophet muhammad pbuh or anywhere in any surah of the quran nor in any hadith….NOR DOES ANY MUSLIM BELIEVE ANY NUMBER AT ALL TO BE HOLY….Thatd actually be a form of shirk which is strictly forbidden
Jeez, you people are gullible…….Do you believe everything you are told without reflection? Lolol
Hi Dru,
Just a short reply to your last post about the Trinity. I managed to look at the page about the first trumpet blowing, but was undecided as to where exactly I should place my reply on that page. Indeed, just as you seem to imply, the Trinity has in many ways got itself a bad name, not least because of its association with Constantine and his pagan leanings, but also other ecclesiastical fathers who through the ages, have committed equally abhorrent atrocities in the name of universal Christianity, all of which are contrary to the teachings of Christ. It would appear that a number of Trinitarians are embarrassed by the origins of their doctrine, and yet to their shame show little or no embarrassment that the Trinity was never taught by Christ or his disciples. Even if the scriptures seem to imply a Trinity, which on close examination they do not, it still remains improper to insist on its authority, where belief in a totally fallacious doctrine is necessary for salvation.
Okey I’m Muslim and the first time I know about the number was from christian stories shame on you , you should know before you judge Big shame!!!!
Islam, buddism, hinduism, protestants are all satans work.
I hope, GOD will guide you, son.
Qur’an is 100% RIGHT!!
mpa
my map over my neighbourhood is also 100 % correct but my map is man made an not from G-d. It is easy to find out if something comes from G-d. If something unique shall happen in future and it happens the you know that it comes from G-d. There is nothing in the satanic quran with fullfilled prophecies. G-d doesn’t choose a rapist and a pedophile as a prophet. He also took his son wife as a wife. this person is satan work. G-d gave us laws in the OT. satan just copied them and modified them. If God wants us to follow the law the we shall follow the old testament and not changed laws.
START TO USE YOUR BRAIN BEFORE WRITING ON THIS BLOG. AS LONG AS YOU ARE A MUSLIM, YOU DO NOT USE YOUR BRAIN.
666 is the number of verses in koran. it is an evil symbol on bible.
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The Number 666 according to Muslims | thirdheaventraveler said this on August 28, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
Unlike in Christianity, numbers are not holy, divine, or special in Islam. They have no significance other than its real-world applications. Where do you come up with this bull?
references given in post
the “numbers” are actually words meaning bismallah
We just saw the peace and beauty in Islam with the Kenya mall attacks. All Muslims were invited to leave and non-muslims slaughtered. They murdered women and babies. No thank you I don’t want this false religion of death.
This makes no sense the blind leading the blind ignorance is a sin lying is to hate is a sin AND THE DEVIL IS A LIER.
2:6
Sahih International
Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.
2:7
Sahih International
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment
2:8
Sahih International
And of the people are some who say, “We believe in Allah and the Last Day,” but they are not believers.
10:4
Sahih International
To Him is your return all together. [It is] the promise of Allah [which is] truth. Indeed, He begins the [process of] creation and then repeats it that He may reward those who have believed and done righteous deeds, in justice. But those who disbelieved will have a drink of scalding water and a painful punishment for what they used to deny.
Here goes a person holding someone’s actions accountable for Islam which is so unjust. If this was a viable reason to do such a thing why are you professing to be Christian? Their are a whole lot of sinners doing crime who profess to be Christians, Catholic and so forth yet, one can not surmise that they the sinner makes up the whole of the congregation of worshipers. IF IT DOES NOT ADD UP IT MAKES NO SENSE
A’uudhu billaahi minash Shaitaair Rahjeem(I seek the refuge of Allah from Satan the accursed)
A liar posted 666 is the number of verses in koran. it is an evil symbol on bible.
baphomet so are you
Getta
This is only an academic look at what one meaning for 666. There is the actually numerical value, which is questionable. There are a lot of “christian assignments” for this number as well. People have said Prince Charles has the number, Hillary Clinton, and so does the Pope.
Maybe the muslim site I got this 666 from is wrong, but there is also the interpretation that 666 is not a number, but some words in arabic, which mean bismallah, if you look at the ancient greek as certain way. See the pictures. I have heard someone teach who has an arabic background that that the greek is just a way of presenting bismallah, since the writer did not know greek, and did not understand what he was seeing. so he used what he could to present the information.
this is all explained in the post.
You do have to admit that for Christians around the world, who face persecution by muslims, that bismallah means persecution to them, and death. Look at syria right now. the rebels are burning churches and killing christians. and this fits in with the original meaning for the Christians, which means anti (against) christ.
so you need to get out of the “victimhood” mentality and look around at all those millions of christians who have died at the hands of muslims, and realize the bible might be referring to Islam as the anti – Against – christ religion.
that is not to say that Islam is the ONLY antichrist religion, because there are others….but it is against christians, so it does fit the definition.
just like in your religion, there are muslims and non muslims, in christianity, there are christians and non christians. those not part of the group are the unbelievers who oppose the religion. that is the way religion defines their world view.
Moon god worshipers murdered children in the Kenyan mall murders.
allah akbar baby! Small case out of disrespect for Sin, and the mad man Muhammad.
well said,, dont forget about iraq crisis too,, bcos christians too killed many innocent womens and childerns,, so better not to blame on them,, because both allah and jesus are same,,,,,
All i can say is that ! no matter what religion u belong for, do right thing 4every body as we are all aware(Christians,Muslims,…) that sooner the world is going to be a history not to be t
ought! hahahah
No I know Islam it has non with 666. some people says 786 is equal to complete Bismaillah but actually it is wrong, we never say 786 instead of Bismillah before doing any thing Scholars forbid it,, It is Sufi`s who contacted with Jinn through numbers ,to make it secret they introduced the numbers in islam, truth is islam has nothis with 666 or 786.
Non-Muslims may not call God Allah longer in Malaysia. The name Allah came from us aramaic and aramaic still say Allahu today. The Muslims stole the name from us. We aramaics/Syriacs are the first Christians, and we said Allahu before Islam existed on earth and now they forbid us to say our own name. I just want God to destroy those people from earth. I sincerely hope that 100% will be eradicated. Enough is enough. My mothers husband is a and i hope he will join satan in hell soon.
The name Allahu is ours and we are Aramaic and Christians.
sdfsd….
Use tapatalk. Maybe it will help you. I have an Android and this blog works perfect on my device so I don´t need tapatalk.
sdfsd…
Forgett tapatalk. I had not taken my morning coffe when I wrote about it.
Please tell me this is a wind up.
Is he serious, is this a serious religious blog. I have never laughed so hard in my life as when I was reading through this blog and its evidence, everything this guys says crumbles easier than a house of cards.
there are 666 verses in the quran? you would have saved your self ignorance by just googling how many verses in the quran!.
Christians use your brains please debate with actual evidence nut bull crap you pulled out of your ears.
Peace be with you
this is crap. bullshit!!LOL
Islam is a death cult. The religion of peace is cutting off heads all over the Caliphate. Mainly, Syria, Egypt, Sinai, and northern Nigeria.
allah akbar baby!
norway is a lost land now
I’m not an Islamist. I have always tried to be logically consistent in thought and deed. For that reason I’ve read the Bible, cover to cover, at least half a dozen times. I’m not Roman Catholic but grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly Roman Catholic. I went to a junior & Senior High School that were about 45% Jewish so I’ve had friends who were Roman Catholic & some that were Jewish. I know no Islamists in my personal life so I’ve never been able to discus Islam & religious tenets of the Quran. I took it upon myself to search for an English translation of the Quran, downloaded it & read about 150 pages before I decided Islam is a religion of hate, inconsistencies, sexism & intolerance. For that reason I agree with Leatherneck when he says that “Islam is a death cult”. I also agree with the author of this web page regarding 666 & the probability that the AntiChrist is (or will be) from the Islam religion. That doesn’t mean the AntiChrist will necessarily be from the Middle East; for that matter he may already be in power somewhere (or could even be Barrack H. Obama as some people believe). We’re very near the end of the age & the “Covenant With Many” will soon be presented to Israel & when signed will usher the Tribulation onto the world stage. I think the Tetrad of the Blood Moons during the feast days in Israel in 2014 may even mark the time the covenant is signed by Israel. The present day political interest of many Jews in building the 3rd Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem may make things right for about 5 months future completion of the Covenant With Many for a 7 year peace treaty. I expect to see “The Mark of The Beast” in place before the end of 2017. We may soon see the 1st temple building stone in place by about September of 2014.
Better hold your butts.
You did really a great job for us. It helped me very much for my knowledge and now i fully understand the number 666. Thanks.
As a roman catholic i wish to say that i have muslim friends, and closely i have studied Quran and bible,, i feel like both are same,, i feel as both are same faces of coin,, diffrence is that the people how they take it,,
i have one questions what before jesus and allah born,, there was no god in this universe,, both are born at same time and same age,, i want to think it in pratically,, i feel that both are only messengers and not gods,, why we want to pray for brokers.. why not the father as what they always say father will forgive your sins,,,,,,, who is that father,, nobody answers for that,, does anyone has the pic of that father,,,even in islam too same things,, muhamed is also a messenger,, but not a god,,, then think that are we praying for god or brokers,,,,,,,sorry if so i used sharp words,, but infact its truth,,,,
charlie
There is very little similarity between the Quran and the bible.
The Father is God, and he has a spirit son named jesus who came to earth to save us by taking our punishment for our sins.
this is because we would be destroyed if we paid for our own sins.
Jesus has much power given to him by the father, so he can forgive sins….but Jesus tells us to pray to the Father, not him.
Jesus is a messenger for the Father, but he is also the Father God’s son.
Muhammed claims to be a messenger, but he cannot claim to be son of god.
if you were catholic, you would not say muhammed and jesus are the same. I believe you are muslim.
Charlie
Muslims faith is that the voice that the tragic person muhammed heard in the cave is G-d. Christians faith is that the voice that the tragic person muhammed heard in the caves is satan. Muhammed could check if the voice was G-d by asking hm about something unique about future (Deut 18:20-22, Isaiah 44:7 etc) But the tragic person muhammed could not read so he did not know anything about the Bible. The tragic person Muhammed reveiled that he was not a prophet when he said before he died tht he doesn’t know if he comes to heaven or not when he dies. We Christians know that when you commit rape, kill, child abuse, adultery etc you end up in hell and not in heaven. It’s so easy to understand. Islam is just laws that is copied and modyfied from the Bible.
To say muhammed is a prophet is like saying benny hill is gay 🙂
Muhammad married a 7 year old girl, then raped her at 9. That’s not very nice.
Dear Friends
Please dont try to insult anyone or try to use logic for religion becasue their are multiple angles to a story. Jesus is as respectable and noble as Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) I have the greatest respect for Hazrat Isa (Jesus) and His mohter Mary and their ancestor Ibrahim (Adraham) and Moses and Jaramaiah and Noah and finally Adam and Eve. Please learn to respect others beliefs and religions. If a Muslim insults other religions is as ignorent as the Christian or Jew who tries to insult other faiths. In Islam, Ahl Al Kitab (People of the Books) are all good. My God is very forgiving and very loving, as yours (We have one God and we have different names for him which does not matter much, it is what you did with your life. What are you doing to his creatures, are you humble, a good person, respectful. My religion teaches me this and tells me to be kind to Man. OUr common belief is good deeds lead to Heaven and bad deads lead to hell fire. Just simple…Pure simple. dont get into arguments on numbers and insults. Do you think that the above mentioned comments has helped us come closer to each other? I leave the discussions for your judgement. God i the best judge in the end! Follow all the directions that have been given to you in your book (Your user manual and self maintanence guide) . Dont miss the message. Quran, Bible and Geeta teach you good things. We are humans not angels, we distort or misunderstand messages by our biases. Love each other and dont say anything bad about Ram, Bhagwan, Keshwar, Allah, Jesus, Moses or Fire for that matter. Enjoy this world and let others engoy all the Gods creations. (Humans included). If you havent understood your religion you will continue to think with bias. No Doubt, God / Allah has created all.
I have spoken my mind and I can sleep peacefully.
I ask for forgiveness from all the beings and my God, if I have said something that has hurt my fellow beings. I stand by my God to say the right things and do the right things. My God / Allah help all of us in this simple task.
Best regards
good comment.
the purpose was to evaluate a theory
I do this with many aspects of Christianity as well.
peace be to you also.
The Jesus of Islam was not murdered, and hung on a cross. So, what Jesus are you writing about?
Islam means to submit, and those Christians inside Syria, Egypt, the Sinai, Iraq, and northern Nigeria are getting their heads cut off for not submitting to it. There is your Islamic love pal. Just like Muhammad loved those 800 Jews he cut heads off from.
Islam is a religious, and political system. Christianity is a relationship between the word made flesh, the Holy Spirit, and G-d the Father. One G-d that showed his laws are just as breaking them require a penalty. The word made flesh paid that debt for all humans. The word made flesh is that part of G-d the Father that creates. The Holy Spirit is that part of G-d the Father that indwells humans with love, and understanding of G-d’s laws.
Muhammad murdered, raped, and raided caravans most of his adult life. His Uncle who raised him was named after? You guessed it. My god of the Kabba. Known to history as one of 360 gods of the Kabba called Sin, or Suen. The moon god.
You can worship whom you wish, but as a educated man, you might want to read a correct history book about the 7th century perfect man called Muhammad.
BTW, I will be submitting to Islam right after I empty all my clips into those who order me to do so.
you have an amazing way of expressing yourself.
there are peaceful muslims, but you have a direct way of speaking to those who wish violence.
I wish more men were like you in america
Muhammad told Muslims it is OK to lie to the Infidel in order to get achieve a goal.
The only extremists within Islam are called Apostates. All others must help in the war to spread Islam across the globe, or they are not following Muhammad.
This is why my posts are so harsh.
Peace
All muslims will die very soon and then burn in hell forever. It is to late to teach them the truth. Muslims call m for prophet without one prophecy fullfilled. Incredible.
No, all Muslims will not die. Jesus will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. I suspect the innocent, the trapped, and the meek.
What kind of human believes all anything will die? There is no belief in Christianity that supports your statement. what religion are you?
Leatherneck
I call myself Christian. It is up to our Father in heaven to decide if he accepts me as a Christian.
First of all I want to refer to Mattiyahu (Matthew) 13:36-42 that tells us that Yehoshua will come back and fire up everything that satan has planted and Tehillim (Psalms) 9:18 tells us that heathens will burn in hell becuase the Earths inner core is descriped hot and hell is hot.
So the question is. Is Islam from Hashem or from satan??
I love the Bible and the Bible tells me how to check if something comes from God and here are som verses.
Devarim 18:20-22, 1 Shmuel 3:19-20, 1 Melachim 13:3,
18:24,38, 20:13-forward, 2 Melachim 1:10,
Yeshayahu 41:23, 44:7, Yirmiyahuh 28:9 and 2 Kefa 1:21
Theese verses says if someone says something unique about future and it happens then it comes from or Father in heaven.
I have asked muslims on Internet and private but they haven given me verses from their book that is fullfilled yet. There is no fullfilled prophecies in their book because it is not from Hashem.
Another issue is that Yochanan tells us in the NT that if someone says Yehoshua is not son of Hashem then he is an AC = satan.
After Yochanan muslims started to tell us that Yehoshua is not son of Hashem.
Conclusion: Yes the Bible says muslims will soon die and they will burn in hell forever. This is the end times.
Dr Faroogui
You say that we must be friends to have Peace. I want to take a car from Europé and drive the Car to Israel. My surname is Israel. There will be no problem through Europe but in Syria I will be probably killed. Talk to your muslim friends in Nigeria, Egypt, Irak, Syria about friends and Peace Before attacking us. We Christians don’t like muslims because we Think it comes from satan. Hashem will not change is thoughts. Islam is copied and modified from Judaism and Christianity. If someone steels my book and rewritts he would never get respect that is why we don’t respect m. We love the Bible and the Bible teach us that Islam is not from Hashem.
My dear hindu friend you pose as a christian and you act as a muslim and say bad things about my christian brothers. Please dont say bad things about anyone. In Hinduism a woman is burned with her husbands body. Now this is rediculous. But then it is your religion. Who are we to judge. In Christianity, sorry, in history there were a lot of wars specially with the jews and other faiths. Now, if we go to argue about those wars and philosophies behind those wars. I was not there and surely you were not their to have such strong opinions about the details of what happened then why the wars and why the killings. According to christians their were mistakes made by the muslims but muslim history will tell you how barbaric christians were. How europe’s society was corrupt and butchered other christian brothers. How Frenchman hated the english and Irish hated the english. Please move on and plan the future. There are 2 Billion muslims and growing. There are approximately that many christian and growing. No matter what you do you can not finish all the christians and muslims can not finish christians. They have to coexist in the future world otherwise their will be no peace. There are very few hindus in this world and the religion has shrunk and continues to shrink. I am talking ratios only and not the number. They are either converting to islam or christianity. They have gotten the message..I guess. They are becoming Ahl al Kitab (People of the books) I am particularly focused on the Hindus because of one hindu brother who made some anti christian remarks and posed as a muslim. What was that about. I love all Gods creations including the christian. This is the beauty of Gods creations He created us different but he gave us logic, reasoning abilities. I am glad that we are different but instead of identifying mistakes of the past, making and sharing strong opinions and insulting each others beliefs lets seek common beliefs interests and charish our beautiful moments with each other. My religion teaches me to respect other but does not stop me from seeking knowledge.
In Christianity “Just War Theory” was introduced much later by the Roman empire. Before that, the dark ages have very barbaric history. Jews persicuted Christians and Christians butchered Jews. Jesus was killed by Jews last I checked and not a muslim tyrent leader. Christians took care of the Jews in Nazi Germany not a muslim. Heroshima was not bombed by muslims last i checked. Red Indians were not hunted by Muslims last we checked. nagasaki was not a Muhammed last i checked. Help me understand history, will you please. Forget our tainted history..I hope am labelled as anti Sematic becuase Mel Gibson was labelled as that because of true depiction of history. What was that about?
My Allah / God help us all and forgive us for misunderstanding the Creator.
He is great and full of love.
Peace to all Humanity.
You are comparing apples to oranges which is a common Islamic tactic.
What evil men did in the name of G-d, or Jesus does not mean G-d, or Jesus would approve. The atomic bomb was dropped to save an estimated one million American lives should the Island of Japan be invaded physically by American military personnel.
90% of the indigenous population of North, and South America died by the flu, common cold, small pox, and chicken pox. They had no immune to European diseases. However, wrongs were committed on these said people by evil men.
Now, for your perfect man Muhammad. What does history tell us about Muhammad? Did he murder, rape, and raid caravans? Yes, he did. Was that nice?
What does Allah mean? Allah means my god. Allah Akbar means my god is greatest. My god is greatest of what? My god is greatest of all other gods at the Kabba. There were 360 gods at the Kabba when Muhammad lived. He made all worship one god, or get their heads cut off. Who was that one god? Was his Uncle named after that one god. did Muhammad’s family worship that one god as Muhammad grew up?
Dear Leathrneck,
First of all, I love the Holy Bible which you are referring to Bible only. It is a true book of God. God is great. Now, I don’t know where your hatred comes from but I respect it. These are your beliefs and un alterable because you believe in it. Diseases you are referring to were like this: As the English, French, and Spanish explorers came to North America, they brought tremendous changes to American Indian tribes. Europeans carried a hidden enemy to the Indians: new diseases. Native peoples of America had no immunity to the diseases that European explorers and colonists brought with them. Diseases such as smallpox, influenza, measles, and even chicken pox proved deadly to American Indians. (If you want more details let me know.
Please read more about the infected blankets distributed to the American Indians by the new comers to the continent. And the evil men you are referring to were Muslims according to your knowledge sources or were they European Christians. By the way Ibn E Batuta (A muslim traveller and explorer had already been to the continent 150 years before the European explorer. National Museum of History Washington has the map that contains Arabic transcriptions on it even now. But they left the communities intact and made friends with a lot of Indian Chiefs and clans. Many converted to Islam at that time too. forefathers studied Quran and learned from it and the American constitution contains lots of Islamic thoughts. History cannot be denied. It is loud.
Muslims are simple people like the people in Bosnia, Chachniya, Yugosalavia, Tibet and other places. There are some evil people who are Muslims but not all muslims are bad. I condemn all such evil people. I have muslim friends who have their last name “Israel” and live in Pakistan without any issue. Lot of Jews live in Pakistan, Iran, United Arab Emirates, Qatar and I have some very close friends who are Jews. One of the Angel in Islamic faith is named Israel. It is not the country or the name. It is the people who are problems for others. I hope you understand this and bring clarity to your thoughts. May God help you.
I can not say any thing bad about your God (Jesus) because I love him too much. No matter how hard you try. I love Allah because he is our God. Now, who is named after him or who is called what is not my concern. Religion is also called faith. faith is belief, and belief is your mindset. Mindsets should be respected. I may differ from you in your beliefs but I can not tell you that your parents, society and neighbours told you wrong because I would be too narrow minded to say anything about your God or your core beliefs. My Allah / God only tells me to forgive and pray for others. You are 100% right about Islam being a derivitave of Christianity and Judaism. Thats why I love them both. But the final version Quran settles all the remaining issues which also completes the new version. Gospel of John talks about Prophet Muhammed, and if you like we may discuss it in great details. His name is mentioned in Torah as Ahmed. Yes there were four books from God and in all the three books have references and prophecies about Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him). Dont you think Jews hated Jesus. (They hated him so much that they killed him accoring to you. We believe that he is still alive. Gods dont die according to our beliefs. “God is Great” And he is great becuase he is the Creator of everything. Thats why he is the greatest. Look around you to see his greatness. Your God is great too because he is One and the same that I love. Will Jesus live with you or a muslim family if he visited earth today. Just look at your lifestyle and honestly ask this question. I love his simplicity, his five prayers every day, talking to his fellow humans and teaching them to love everyone. Islam means peace. We love peace. He will love to see us go to the mosque every day five times and read the unedited version of Quran without a chief editors edits. Un tampred and unchanged from Old to new testaments. He will love us form praying for Abraham and his children five times a day. If it was not christians our religion may not have survived. Najash’s Christian King saved the Muslims from the Jews who wanted to enhilate the hand full of muslims. Love that King and for that I love the Christians. I am a Christian Muslim. if that is a true term. I hope that the jews, Christians and the youngest brother Muslim learn to live together.
Please forgive me if I have hurt your feelings or I have mis stated something according to you. I have very limited information. May God / Allah enlighten me.
Best regards
The Bible does not mention Muhammad. I do not know why you refer to evil humans as Christians. Were they acting as Christ when they gave blankets with disease on them? A true Christian can not do any such thing.
The difference between the history of evil men who call themselves Christians, and those who follow Muhammad is the following: The G-d of Noah, Abraham, Moses, King David, and the word made flesh is it did not tell those evil so called Christians to murder in it’s name.
Muhammad, and my god of the Kabba do demand the Infidels, and Jews have their heads cut off if they do not submit to Islam. Islam means to submit, not peace. Perhaps, you will look up what Islam means, not what you want it to mean.
Koran 2:191, 9:123 is a start on your religion of peace.
BTW, Jews did not murder Jesus, the Romans murdered him on a cross of wood. Yet, the Jesus of the Bible rose from the dead, showed G-d laws are just, and has paid the price for human sin. G-d’s love, or grace is the only way to heaven. Not good works, and blowing one’s self up in the name of my god of the kabba.
Also, I never wrote I hate Muslims. However, I do hate the religious/political system called Islam.
Your argument has been apples vs oranges. One G-d does not tell his followers to murder in his name post Christ. The god of the Kabba does. Do you see the difference?
Dr farooqui
You say you love the Bible. One reason why we don’t like muslims is because you say the Binle is a lie. The Bible says Yehoshua is son of God and you say it is a lie. The Bible says Yehoshua died as a human on the cross and you say it is a lie. This is some examples why we don’t like you because you are mocking the Bible when you say such things.
I have given prof from the Bible that muslims don’t belong to Hashem but I ´can give you more. If Hashem wouls choose a person on Earth as his Messenger he would choose someone that is almost perfect.
If you say Yehoshua was not perfect. All I can say is that Yehoshua was not choosen. He is son of Hashem. m was a pedophile, rapist, murderer, adulterers, he had desire to his son etc. This is all against Hashem values.
We Christians understand that Hashem is behind m because we have our Eyes open but you muslims have your Eyes shot down so you can’t see the truth.
We don’t want Peace with you! Mattiyahu 13:36-42, Chaggai 2:23, Kehilah in Corinth 5:11 etc tells us to stay away from muslims.
Yochanan (John) did not talk about m more than he called him for the coming AC. He warned us that a religios person will come and say Yehoshua is not son of God and he said that we shall stay away from him.
Islam is not from G-d!
best regards to you.
the bible never mentions muhammed. this is folklore, and forced interpretation of passages that have a different meaning, which is clearly stated.
the gospel of john CLEARLY says that the comforter is the holy sprit, NOT a man.
the Quran is a contradiction of the bible, and was never written by muhammed, since he was illiterate…it was written by scribes who never heard from God over a long period of time, giving room for much error and personal interpretation.
the quran changed so much over time, that additional writings contradicted and cancelled earlier writings.
Muslims do not say the bible is a bad book or any of that, in fact they are given references to read passages. Also, yes the bible was changed during history, every word, every punctuation mark makes a difference.but they read a passage and interpreted it and wrote it down differently. The Quran was given to the prophet, who wrote it down. He taught it to many people who learned it by heart. During the years after the death of the prophet, the prophets close friends and family members said they will combine all of the parts together to make the Quran. They put all of the Quran into one definite book and passed it around saying nothing should change, not even one dot.
the bible has been the same for thousands of years….the it “has been changed” is a lie the muslims made up
the quran was written by various scribes over time, since muhammed could not read or write….there is no proof that was was written in the quran had any relationship with muhammed’s alleged encounter with allah
We Christians understand that Hashem is NOT behind m
Dear I Bible, (Please read the following in totality before you respond) May Allah help you in understanding)
I apologize on behalf of all Muslims who say things against Jesus and the Bible. We have been taught to not say anythig bad about any other religion and specially about their Prophets and Gods. Christianity and Judaism are your beliefs and your religion. I respect all aspects of your religions.
Now, if I have a different take on anything from your beliefs, I should give you my understanding and teachings but can not make you believe in it. I can argue all I want but can not force you. Now all this holds true about Christians and their tolerance to other beliefs which I dont see in the above arguments. It seems that all those who have made anti Islamic anti muslim, anti God (Allah) and anti Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and Jesus (Peace be upon him) reflect the short sightedness of these individuals. People have the right to believe what they believe in. God is Great and is forgiving.
Now for a minute lets go with your beliefs: God was crusefied becuase of all mens sin. Now you can not say that he was crusified because of all Christians sins because in his era their were no Christians. It was Jesus versus Roman government. No followers at that time. Yes, John and other friends were all there but no christian faith yet.(Christianity emerged in the Levant (now Palestine and Israel) in the mid-1st century AD. Christianity spread initially from Jerusalem throughout the Near East, into places such as Syria, Assyria, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Asia Minor, Jordan and Egypt. In the 4th century it was successively adopted as the state religion by Armenia in 301, Georgia in 319,[1][2] the Aksumite Empire in 325,[3][4] and the Roman Empire in 380. (Wikipedia) ). Biblicaly the Pharisee’s (a Jew)had Jesus tried and pushed for his death at roman hands. They would have done it directly but didn’t want blood on their hands during the Sabbath. So, they both did, jews and romans each played a part. Now, according to you, he will forgive the Jews even though they had him killed but, according to you, Jesus will be so narrow minded that he will not forgive Muslims.I mean where is the logic in this whole scheme of things.
Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs (Wikipedia). I do believe that he is my prophet and a messanger of God.
When God’s message was sent to us through Moses, we accepted, When it was sent through David we accepted, when it was sent through Jesus we accepted, and when finally it was sent through Muhammed you are totally in denial, why. Why wont you stop at Torah then.
Is the miracle of A sexual birth so influintial on your beliefs an example that you disbelieve in everything else. Adam was also created without father or mother, Eve without father or mother. and there are others in history who were born without fathers.
God is mercyfull and forgiving. He will forgive.
If I have hurt any feelings or anyone that is not my intention nor is it my teaching to hurt anybody’s feelings. Please forgive.
Love to all and peace be on you all.
Best regards
Dr Farooqui
First of all. Yehoshua crucifixtion was with meaning/ purpose. We can not be angry on Jews that wanted him Crucified. Daniel 9:26 foretold about that Yehoshua will come in the future and be crucified but not for himself. Even Yeshayahu (isaiah) 43:4 says Jacob/ Yehoshua was crucified with meaning/ purpose. Yehoshua said to Shimon Kefas (peter) that when he tried to stop the Crucifixtion. Yehoshua said it was satans word to try to stop it. Yehoshua knew about his crucifixtion before it happened so it means that if it was not with meaning Yehoshua would not ride in to Yeroshalayim. He would stay outside that city. As a Christian I and Yehushua can not be angry on Jews because of the crucifixtion. It is Jews who made me Christian because they rejected Yehoshua then he became a light to the nations and I live far away from Israel and because of Jews I beleive in Abrahams, Isaks and Jacobs God. No true Christian can be angry because Jews crucified him.
Yes we beleive Moshe, David, Yehoshua is prophets because the Bible says a prophet is someone that says something unique about future and it happens. All this 3 persons have given as prophecies that is fulfilled. We do not beleive m is a prophet because he havent said something unique about future and it happened. If you say he was talking about a chip in future. That is copied from the book Hisgalus alias Revelation chapter 13.
We Jews and Christians have demands on someone to call him a prophet and you muslim have not. Just because someone copied the Jews laws and modified them does not make him a prophet.
Another issue is if God would choose someone on Earth he would choose a priest as a prophet. The prophets in the Bible is son of God so God did not choose them. He is son of God. God would never choose someone like m. He was not a good man. Like I said earlier. If you say Yehoshua was not perfect either. God did not chose Yehoshua. It is his son.
The question is not about forgiving or not. The question is if you belong to God or not. And we Christians beleive Jews and Christians belong to God but not the rest. We do not like when muslims say the Bible is a lie when we say Yehoshua was crucified and when our holy Bible says Yehoshua is son of God and you say not. It is not enough to say I love God. Either you are a Jew and obey 613 laws without breaking one of the concious or you are baptized and taken tje communion in Yehoshuas Church. There is no other way.
Period
Jesus will forgive and save anyone who calls upon his name.
He represents the Father God on earth.
the sins of all us caused the death of Jesus.
all past sins, current and future sins had to be paid for.
each faith has a piece of who jesus was….
but the challenge to read what Jesus said about himself, and why it is important to understand his true nature, relationship with God, and mission on earth
Marianne
I don’t agree with you. Yehoshua will not forgive thoose who has something common with satan. If Islam is from satan then no muslim will be forgiven and will burn in hell forever.
you need to read everything I said.
only those who call upon his name for forgiveness will be saved.
muslims would also have to believe who he really is, his nature , relationship with God, and mission on earth before they would ever do that.
if they did that, then they would be saved, like anyone else.
but as long as they think he is ONLY a prophet, they will not call upon his name or ask him for forgiveness.
Marianne
Read what I wrote below. Yehoshua says in NT to get eternal Life and to have sins forgivness we must eat his flesh and blood. It is not enough to cull upon his name for forgivness.
this are different but related concepts.
first, we must believe on the Lord jesus christ, and call upon him for forgiveness to be saved.
we are saved by the sacrifice on calvary for our souls, which is where he offered his own flesh and blood for our punishment
communion is a commemoration and acceptance of that event.
there are people who receive communion who have never repented or really asked to be forgiven….so they can take communion forever and it will not help them.
so repentance and forgiveness has to occur first, before communion is taken
Dr Farooqui
You muslims call Yehoshua a prophet. That means you must listen to him. Yehushua says in Yochanan
“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.” (John. 6:53)
You muslims don’t eat his flesh or drink his blood but in the same time you call him a prophet. Explain!!!!
in islam there is no 666, no relation to anything, no knowledge on it, some Christians build Islamic sites, add so many satanic stuff and then build contra sites to attack islam through them. Same people build both sites. Quran is extremely powerful book and never deal with these type of kid stories. the end of the world is explained as a solar event, the sun should end up in a black hole. the end of the world is not the end of the universe, throughout the universe there are much smarter and more advanced human forms (as well as more primitive ones) than us, the end of the universe is explained as “bringing everything back together” to a point again (big bang also started from a point) there are also muti-dimensions overlapping each other. “we bring the night over the day” so in one dimension if it is night, on the other dimension it might be day on the very same spot. Islam deals with the advanced science, and I am very surprised that all the smart people in the US could believe 911 represents all the Muslims and the real Islamic religion. Allah in Islam orders “be as nice as possible to the people of the Book (Christians and Jews) 2 enemies of HUMANS are Satan/Iblis and Cruelty. Never obey Cruelty and their structures / governments. Only fight against anyone who fights against you. Allah likes people who order and set up freedom and piece” This is real Islam my friends, from the only source who is Allah. So why people discuss stuff which some stupid Arabs practice and hits Islam through that channel always. They are not Muslims, only some Arabs practicing Paganism. Last thing about 19, Allah in Quran says “19 will punish them, it is something shows “screens” over and over to them” So it is something like smart tv / computer or something showing continues screens, this is all we know. nothing related to Satan or anything. we don;t know what it is yet. So briefly “Allah never orders Muslims to attack Christians and Jews, actually never allows Muslims to attack anyone really, the war is only allowed against Cruelty and people who START war against Muslims or Humans. Muslims must be nice to Christians and Jews, because they are also believers. Sacrifice and spend the wealth for ALL HUMANS happiness”. So please drop this bsht against Islam for once, Islam means piece / intellect and freedom. Probably only minority of the Muslims all over the World really know the real Islam anyway, because they are unfortunately deep in Pagan practices since it was their traditional religion before Islam. What we see in Iran and some radical countries are from pre-Islamic beliefs, and Islam actually came to world to fight against them. However today these stuff is represented as Islam.
christians are kaffirs in Islam
as a muslim, i cant remember anyone saying something abt any holy number etc.. it’s just another number like 667…
ok
Subhana wa ta Allah!
Subhana rabbiyal adheem!!
Read the Noble Qur’an and study Islam from a sound point of view, not from paranoid, schizophrenic and superstititious beliefs and you’ll see that Islam is the Last Message from Almighty God to humanity by way of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and the Holy Qur’an and the Hadiths and the Sunnah!!!
13:17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
13:18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
I believe you are all missing the point.
“”let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast. for it is the number of a man, and his number is six hundred threescore and six”
So the final search must not focus on 666 but on the ”count the number of the beast” So the number is 666 , we must count it.
In numerology to know your number we must count until we get one single number.
so 6 + 6+ 6 = 18,
1 + 8 = 9. The number is 9.
6 X 6 X 6 = 216,
2 + 1 + 6 + 9
i know a persian-origin religion (19th century) where the founder has his name equivalent
to 9, and His Believers also bear the name which is equivalent to 9.
and this person’s name is …….”__________” ??
He said that his coming is the fulfillment of all prophesies of all religions………He is the coming the Son in the Glory of The father.
And has come to establish the kingdom of GOD on earth.
There were twin messengers, such as John the Baptize and JESUS CHRIST.
He brought marvelous spiritual teaching.
His remain finally rest in Akka, ISRAEL.
His name is BAHA. In persian is equivalent to 9.
And his believers is call Baha’i. equivalent to 9.
Have your say.
Cheers.
wow never heard more crap in my life, the websites you provided? sucked lol pathetic little fatty arent you, some no life with too much time and mommy’s internet connection thinks they can copy n paste copyrighted things their website which they dont know is utter bullshit, lmfao you idiots make me laugh, keep kissing our muslim feet infidels, you love the taste and you try so hard to overthrow us, but guess what, all of this works in a negative way for you, we get more people converting to islam just cuz of you doing this, *happy dance* lololol
“idiots are just that, they try anything but will always be idiots and whatever they do will alwys be negative towards themselves”
Islamophobes are Losers lolol
I would never kiss your feet. And I am not afraid of you.
and dont bother fixing my grammer mistakes retards, i like the way i spell 🙂
Convert people to islam (satan) must be something to be proud of. Not
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hahahhaahhaha… a foolish fish in a hell river…
whoever says that Muslims beleive in numbers according to Holy Quran
(The book of Allah ) is a Non-Muslim. but let me tell you how?
Quran is a Miracle of Almighty Allah Azzawajal. you have proved that mathematically but you dont know how? 🙂 check your own statements above top of the page read that statments and conclusions again and again you’ll say OH MY GOD….!!!! whats that i cant find a single mistake mathematically in Quran. here are all exact coorect connections b/w verse to verse Ayat to Ayat Surah to Surah Chapter to Chapter. a man cant make these type of perfect connection and co-ordinations b/w lacs of lines in a book The lines which are based on Truth.
well dont try to criticise anything without reading it neutrlly , come and Read The Holy Quran not for criticism, but for the sake of God read it by heart and then you’ll find the truth In Sha Allah.
I have a book of fairy tales, and it is mathematically correct also.
“for the sake of God” Which god? My god of the Kabba, or another god?
I’m just wondering.
Both d xtians n d muslins, on the issue of 666/999 alternativly. i strongly suggest u all read the gospel of Barnabas. only thn u will b enlightened.
Stop believing most of the nonsense you read on these rubbish websites. If you want to know about Islam go to a scholar and all the questions you want. STOP ASKING EX-MUSLIMS. They will hang shit on Islam thats why they are called “ex-Muslims”
My father was a Christian and he had a lot of questions about Islam and Christianity that tons of priests wouldn’t answer because they either didnt know the answer to their own religion or they knew the truth that they didn’t want anyone else to know
this is Islam
THE WORLD IS BLIND TO THE OBVIOUS TRUTH … OR ELSE IT IS INTIMIDATED INTO FEARFUL SILENCE BY IT:
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/15492/islam-appalling-abhorrent-eyes-blind-world/?utm_source=Breaking+Israel+News&utm_campaign=d6546f3791-BIN+Email&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b6d3627f72-d6546f3791-83502473
TEACHING PALESTINIAN CHILDREN TO HATE AND TO KILL THE JEWS/ISRAEL (we know what the scripture says will happen to those, who cause children to go in the path of evil … Luke 17:2)
http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/palestinian-authority-propaganda-causing-rampant-hatred?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Israel+Breaking+News+Video%3A+Palestinian+Authority+Propaganda+Causing+Rampant+Hatred&utm_campaign=20140523_m120587662_5%2F24+Israel+Breaking+News+Video%3A+Palestinian+Authority+Propaganda+Causing+Rampant+Hatred&utm_term=WATCH_3A+Gazan+child+recites+violent+Nakba+poem_2C+PA+TV+Programs+of+Hate
APPLYING SHARIA IN AMERICA
http://www.westernjournalism.com/n-y-muslim-says-justified-killing-wife-cooking/?utm_source=wysija&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DailyEmail
The truth about Iran … a video clip
http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Bennett-turns-to-cartoons-in-effort-to-spread-word-of-Iran-dangers-352815
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/28/in-pakistan-honor-killings-claim-1000-womens-lives-annually-why-is-this-still-happening/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/pakistan-500-women-and-girls-murdered-in-islamic-honor-killings-each-year-many-more-go-unreported
http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21603509-death-sentence-issued-sudanese-court-has-stirred-up-controversy-show-whos
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2014/05/30/who-boko-haram/clQf8gdEa3MrbHs5CfaLRK/story.html
enough?
This article is extremely stupid and superstitious. ..in islam there is no defined mention of 666 ..it is all what others have assumed and made up. That many calculations and that just makes this article lame… I think this idea of 666 originated from the bible. .which we Muslims can not take as an authentic source of knowledge as if u search the history it has been changed by man..to this day it can not be considered a holy book but a piece of writing that man wrote and polluted..the quran speaks of the people changing their books…but the last book revealed to makind the quran is perfect without any doubt… and Allah has promiser to safeguard it…and if u critics could reflect upon the Quran keeping all the negativity aside..u will find it as a book truly perfect and that it is a perfect guide for mankong.. please dont judge religions on the basis of what u hear frok other sources…try to find out the truth for urself ..
that is your opinion, so I leave it here.
there is nothing constant about the quaran, or true, except where it borrowed from the bible…
quran was written by various scribes who wrote what they wanted, and muhammed had no way of checking accuracy since he was illiterate..
quran changes over time as people add to it to cancel previous verses…
no truth in the changes either
in the name of Allah , the most kind and merciful
i would tell you guys something that, the number 666 is not related to Muslims life and we Muslims follow holy quaran so one thing is cleared that 666 is something we dont believe since its not in our holy quaran, were as in bible it does , but bible was been changed by kings and church leaders,and its not an accurate book to follow until as unless you make stories of bible with resemblance of quran such as flood of Noah (A.S),the evil pharaoh, prophet musa and stories about prophet yusuf (A.s).
thanks
May Allah give you more knowledge.
its strange that people believe in the bible even it was been changed by church leaders and monarchs but dont belive when it say about prophet Mohammad pbuh here is bible now since you believe in bible then in the bible it say about prophet mohammad pbuh that
Isaiah 29:12 ESV / 111 helpful votes
And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.”
this is prophet Mohammad when he first went to the mount of hira (cave) and talked with Allah and angle jibrael (AS) ask him to read but he said he cant, this is a reference to prophet Mohammad pbuh Holy Quran (Al Alaq 96: 1-5). may Allah give you more knowledge.
As an all-knowing “god” it seems that Allah needs a secretary or something. He didn’t know that his prophet was too dumb to read? Maybe Allah is just as dumb as Mohammed.
As for kings and priests changing the bible, don’t forget that Mohammed couldn’t write either and he forbid anyone from writing down anything, so the Qur’an was written down years after his death by people trying to remember exactly what Mohammed said.
Then after it was all written down ⅓ was eaten by a goat and the other third is completely unintelligible.
Not a good history for a “Holy” book as far as I’m concerned.
I also never trust a religion constructed from scratch by a single person, So the Qur’an and the Book of Mormon are both bogus as far as I’m concerned.
Just my opinion.
the white horse and the pale green horse is Islamic
I am a Muslim and number 666 means nothing to me or to any other Muslims I know. This is the first time in my entire life I hear of these fallacies about Islam and Muslims. If I were you, I would read about Islam and the Holy Quran a lot before I pass any blind judgments on them.
IM SHOCKED.SPECIALLY THAT NIW IN 2014 JULY END TOO MANY THING PROOVES THAT THE ANTICHRIST IS THE LEADER OF THE ISLAMIC STATE.
things will prove themselves very soon.
The book of Revelation is the Torat ha Sod which is the hidden and secret Torah.
The hidden Torah is also called “Torat Ha-Sod,” the secret Torah. Revelation was written in Hebrew and copied to Greek. You must use the Hebrew Alphabet. 666=Tarsu or Paul of Taursus
deborah
how could 666 = paul?
Wha give you the right to decide who is and who is not devil worshipers I’ve been a muslim for 27 years and I never in my whole life seen muslims to be devil worshipers.Islam is the best religion ever and may Allah have mercy on your souls on day of judgement
And we all wonder why people are straying themselves away from Religion and God, because of Treachery and deception onto Man lol.
For all saying that Mohammad (pbuh) was a pedophile, let us not forget that he lived around the years of 630 and later, and that in that time, men over thirty were married to very young girls. It was common in many areas of the world for this to happen. All events should be seen as part of the time frame they took place and for this you must clear your mind of any bias.
the earliest age to marry for most cultures was 12 for a girl and 14 for a boy.
Muhammed took his child bride at 6 years old…enough said
Amen.. Girls married early but to boys around their same age. Not to old men. Look I don’t hate Musslims. I feel sorry for them because Satan has Deceived them. Some really do believe that Allah is another name for God because that is what they are taught. If we Worship the same God then t wouldn’t be told to kill us. Plus there wouldn’t be any difference in them. The Quran was written about 600 years after the Bible. They say the the Bible was changed, but the Quran even tells them to consult with the Bible and the Torah. Wasn’t Allah smart enough to know that they would be corrupted? Since they believe we Worship the same Gods, then I’m begging you to pray and ask God our Creator, not Allah to show you who Allah truly is and who Jesus really is
Eternity is a long time to get it wrong
In the year 1000 BC King David’s son raped his half sister. Muhammad who lived in the 7th century AD enjoyed a good rape of slaves he took from caravans.
Muhammad was a man of the world system. That is why the world system loves Islam.
yes, he spread Islam by slaughter, pillage and rape….he inspired no one to come to Islam willingly
Also, instead of using websites that try to prove any religion wrong, do your own research by asking reliable sources, a lot of people use websites that are already taking sides to prove their point.
Muhammed was not a prophet. The name prophet comes from the word prophecy. Muhammed has not given any fullfilled prophecy except thoose that are copied from the Bible. When G-d plants a religion he gives prophecies so we understand that it comes from G-d. Satan can not see into future and can not give prophecies. Islam, buddism, hinduism, bahia is all religions without fullfilled prophecies. All this religions is satans work. Only Judaism and Christianity has fullfilled prophecies. Yehoshua said, he and satan plants religion on earth. My Church knows that Yehoshua is Moshe. Muhammed is not G-d son. Islam = satans work.
Aslm everyone I am a proud muslim woman and I totally disagree to this post.I say leave all your assumptions about the Islam religion until day of judgement and allow Allah to answer your Questions of our religion. We as muslims don’t go around and accuse christians,jews or any other religion of being satanists. According to my religion there will be a coming of time when the great deciever will decieve men kind open your eyes people his time is here he is decieving you. I am proud to be a muslim, to live as a muslim and to die as a muslim wslm
You say you are proud to be a muslim. NT tells us that the proud ones belong to satan.
you are proud to be a follower of a man who raped, killed, terrorized and pillaged….just like ISIS does today, the true muslims…?
then you need to repent and find the true God Yahweh of the bible.
As-Haddu an laa ilaaha illaha
Wa ash-Haddu anna Muhammadan rasulullah
I bear witness that there is no God worthy of worship but Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messanger of Allah
Muhammed is satans messenger. He was a brutal and illiterate crazy man. Moshe and Yehoshua is G-ds messenger. Our father in heaven would never choose someone who can not read. Our father in heaven would choose a scribe or schoolar that knows what is written in the Bible. Satan choose an illiterate man because he could not question his words because he did not know the truth.
I think 666 is ultimately about the Lucifer (Rebellion): The Prince of this World, which is much larger/greater/inclusive than Islam.
Notes:
1) The structure of the Louvre Pyramid has 666 symbolic rhombi in its design (not panes of glass as is commonly and incorrectly reported).
2) The Washington Monument is 666″ x 666″ at the base. Really.
3) Solomon (or Sol-Amun) received 666 talents of gold each year.
4) www is equivalent to 666 in terms of gematria and position within the Hebrew alphabet.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waw_(letter)
5) The sum of the numbers 1 through 36 is…666. The highest number on a roulette wheel is 36. This gives new meaning to gambling when you understand the numerology doesn’t it?
6) In the Donation, the Pope is referred to as VICARIVS FILII DEI meaning “substitute in the place of the son, God” [or sun-god more likely].
If you add all the roman numerals I+V+X+L+C+D except for M, (1+5+10+50+100+500) they add up to 666. If you add the M the sum is 1666, the year of the Great Fire of London.
The phrase VICARIVS FILII DEI adds up to 666 if you drop its non-numerical letters F-A-R-S-E (112+53+501= 666).
7) Here’s another spelling – FOX NEWS
F is the 6th letter of the alphabet.
O is the 15th letter; 1 + 5 = 6
X is the 24th letter; 2 + 4 = 6
By concatenation FOX = 666.
N-E-W-S is north, east, west, and south.
In this secret way Fox News spreads the power of 666 to the four corners of the Earth.
8) The telephone number president Nixon called to talk to Neil Armstrong, first man to walk on the moon, during the lunar landing of Apollo 11, was 666-6666.
9) The sum of the heights of the buildings in the reconstructed World Trade Center in lower Manhattan is 6660 feet.
Source:
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/13/666/
You have just proven that nothing you have mentioned can be proven to be anything.
Besides the examples you used there are literally millions of things around the world. Bad stuff and good stuff alike. I could come up with thousands of random phrases that wwilladd up to 666 in some way or another. In Icelandic, “DJ is an idiot” comes out to 666, so how relevant is that?
(Just kidding 🙂 )
First you must identify the beast (it is not a building) and if you are correct you can verify it using 666. But you are all over the place with random targets using only numerology and no bible references, so nothing you have said here is of any use, at least right now.
That said, I believe the pope will prove to be part of the greater beast system and as you mentioned, his title matches the prophecy and also he fits the description of the False Prophet, leader of the Vatican beast.
But all the rest is crap…
Dear friends,
It is just like saying Holloween figures (Pumpkins and ghosts and withches) are worshipped by Christians. That means Christians love disfigured beings who are pure evil and pure evil is bread and nurtured by Satan. That means Christians love satan and they worship Satan. I have enjoyed Holloween and now because of your arguments I should start disliking it. I refuse to do that. I greatly respect Christianity and Judasim. Those are religions followed by millions just like Islam, being followed by nearly 2 billion humans and many other entities on earth espacially Jinns.
Come on dear friends, we know that Christian faith is nothing like that but if we start discussing the dark aspects of your faith then we would be doing injustice to a great religion and insulting its believers.
If you feel that Christianity is a great faith and you find peace in it and your salvation belongs there then be it dear. Let muslims believe in what they believe in and let Hindus believe in their idols if they find peace and truth in it. Religion is a very very personal preference. If you want to prove someone wrong then expect criticisim about your God and beliefs.
Learn to respect others. Learn to support others faith and beliefs. Your God will love you for that action alone.
If we were to talk about fallen angels or other things then I would love to discuss but discussing 666 and so on is the most rediculous argument that I have ever come accross. Discussing logic is one thing but discussing what doesnt deserve and is not worthy of discussion, please dont waste your important time on earth. You will realize that you have wasted your precious time on such things instead of winning God by doing good things. GoD will love you for your actions and not because you hurt people because of your beliefs. What if you are wrong? What if your belief was some what deviated and tainted somewhere in the past by someone by a scheme. Then what?
Is religion so simple to be criticised?
Enjoy the beautiful life that our Lord has given to us. Enjoy his gifts. Our Lord! grant us good in this world and good in the hereafter, and save us from the chastisement of the fire”.
Do good deeds every day, ask for forgiveness every day and follow your heart. See where it takes you.
God Bless. Peace
Dr Farooqui
just so you know, halloween has nothing to do with christianity…..it is a pagan, witchcraft practice.
I can support and respect love and faith in god…in different religions.
I cannot support beheadings, slaughtering of 5 year old children, rapes and mass genocide, degradation and beating of women, sharia law, and declarations of war against my people.
James – are you a professional Jester!
This most recent post is confirmation, thank you.
The Breast is evident world wide! Thank you for pointing out the obvious.
Your role here on HA is as a Jester. Jesters were licensed in the court of kings and queens.
Please, continue following my comments, drawing attention to what I present on a open forum with torrid comments (“crap”).
Where is Marianne ? So insulting and degrading this language is (Yoda).
You are a tester (Jester, by definition) for James chapter 3.
“And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell” (James 3:6, NKJV).
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+3&version=NKJV
God bless you in your continued, ongoing, perpetual efforts, because it is working to build my resolve to love you unconditional.
Blessings
james is a cynic…he is like that with me too..
since he knocks down everything, I think he is a government agent.
however, he has contributed a post on the catholic church
If I were a government agent I’d have you put away for subversion. 🙂
But there’s not much I can do about stupidity.
And I don’t knock down everything, only dumb things.
I realize there are many different interpretations of prophecy, especially the “Left Behind” scenario which is the most popular in recent years. Since I used to believe it years ago I can’t fault others for falling into the same trap.
But some ideas are so ridiculous, based an a tissue of lies and innuendo that no sane person could possibly believe them, unless they are pre-disposed by an existing agenda. Obama the antichrist and planet Nibiru are prime examples.
Idiotic ideas like these just give Christians a bad name. There needs to be some voice of reason so that more people aaren’t suckered into believing such nonsnense. It’s one thing for the You Tube idiots to look like fools eventually, but I’d hate to see this site to become as ridiculed as the YouTube sites will be soon.
So you see, I’m only trying to do this site a favor, despite some people on it. It might not be obvious right now, but some day it will become apparent.
Just wait a while…
gov agents are supposed to be subversive, and tear down comments on christian websites….they do not have to turn us in.
I am waiting too….
you are not waiting… you have already made up your mind. 🙂
Jim,
A little bird told me a couple of days ago that you where or are a Freemason of some degree. Is that true?
Jim is a traitor. He left G-d (Catholic) to satan (protestant).
I am not only a Freemason, but I am a member of the Bilderbergs, the Club of Rome and the Tri-Lateral Commission, and don’t forget the CIA. So when we take over the New World Order I WILL be coming for you. (In the voice of Liam Neeson)
Just Kidding… or am I?
do not think you are kidding….
Wow,
You don’t believe any of the science I pass on to you and you believe sill crap that I make up as a joke.
Well, this proves my point that once people have developed an agenda they will believe ANYTHING that seems to fit that agenda no matter how ludicrous it may be.
Reminds me of Muslims on this blog trying to defend the Koran. Seems silly to us Christians yet the poor Muslims actually believe that crap. So now you know how scientifically enlightened people view your blogs on Nibiru, among others.
Well thanks for proving my point, at least to me. I suppose you are like ISIS in a way. Just as they only respond to force and never listen to reason, you only respond to actual events when they finally happen… or don’t. At least with some crazy ideas which have dates set, you can be sure when you are proven wrong, but in other cases you may end up waiting till the Second Coming before you realize the folly of your ways.
Actually, by that time you should be rotting in some undisclosed federal prison somewhere.
Just kidding… or am I?
science?
scientifically enlightened people?
there are a lot of things right out in the open and the government will still deny it, knowing the masses will just go along with it.
sorry you are so closed minded…
and I expect to end up in a FEMA camp somewhere because of my faith. …that is what the camps are designed for…..the demon driven HOMEland security hates christians and considers them the top domestic terrorists in the country.
You don’t believe in astronomy.
You don’t believe in Geology.
You don’t believe in the laws of physics.
You don’t believe/understand the laws of optics.
You don’t believe anything you read or see in the news.
And I am closed minded?
your personal opinion is not science.
You are bold.
If i told you that everything you know about biology is just your personal opinion, you might want to tell me about all the books you read in college and courses you took and how sure you are that the science of biology is real and not corrupted by government agencies etc.
This only proves that you are ignorant of most science and you have an unflinching agenda and you are never going to let things like facts get in your way.
Of course, when it comes to most religions, the believers of all faiths will cling to their ideas regardless of any sort of proof. Ask any Muslim if Allah is real or Mohammed was a man of peace and you will get the same false answer.
So when it comes to science, you are a true hypocrite, only believe the small portion of it that either pertains to your work or that which matches you agenda. All the rest is made up bunk as far as you are concerned.
Well, i believe god made the laws of nature for a reason, and we are supposed to learn them and use them to advance humanity if we can.
(Are you using biology for good, or evil?) In any case when you throw out God‘s laws you are telling Him you don’t believe in Him.
Either His laws work toward fulfilling His prophecy or else you’ve got the prophecy wrong.
I keep an open mind to what might be true.
you immediately reject anything that could possibly be true, and tr to use science to fit your opinion.
I agree with some things you say….and other things, I do not see that your science backs up what you say.
I let your express your opinion, yet you do not do me the same courtesy.
I do not base my “biology” on just what I learned in school, but in forthcoming new evidence….
I am also not naive about the current degenerate politics in this nation.
I also let the bible influence my beliefs about what could be true, not just for now, but for the future…..the bible says SOMETHING will fall into the ocean and kill 1/3 of the life there….so this possibly implies an asteroid coming out of an asteroid field somewhere, associated with something….
you take this and claim i think it is nibiru, which would crash into the sea, which i never said…..it is said that it will pass by at some point, and it has an asteroid field associated with it….
the government is planning for a level 10 emergency….there are millions of coffins and body bags being delivered to certain locations…..the reasons why are not on the 6 o’clock news,
you need to put 2 and 2 together.
Marianne,
Let‘s agreeMarianne,
While we both agree that an asteroid will hit the earth during the tribulation we differ radically on just what is possible. I use logic and science to form my opinions and well, you don’t.
You believe that Nibiru was known by the ancient Sumarians 3600 years ago. Logic dictates that you must believe the following:
The Sumarians were capable of building telescopes powerful enough to observe the planet, and were able to measure its diameter and mass and calculate its precise orbit around the sun. This before anyone had a clue that local objects orbit the sun and not the earth. They also must have observed the so-called horns which are not possible from a physics standpoint. Also the 7 moons and the dark star and all the other crap floating along in a big group.
Ask anyone you want if they believe such technology and knowledge existed back then and I’m sure they will say, “No way!” It is too far-out and unbelievable for any normal person to believe.
And we already know that the myth was made up by a wanna-be archeologist and that the real Sumarians never believed such a story. So you must first believe a complete lie, and then also believe all the stuff I pointed out above in order to be correct. And yet you believe!
I can hardly believe that you actually believe!!
Then there are the YouTube images and reports. Did you know that all the links you originally posted for the orbit and arrival of Nibiru are now taken down due to the fast that they all proved to be false? And if you check the comments for all the photo links you have since supplied virtually every person responds with the same comments I have used. FAKE! Lens flare! No such object!
If it can be photographed then why can’t a single person on earth actually see it. Doesn’t that simple piece of logic bother you? All these people say it is right there next to the sun, but for some strange reason YOU can’t see it. And none of your friends can see it. And no one on this site has ever seen it. Even the You Tube idiots who took the pictures admit they never saw it. It only appears in the camera.
Doesn’t that raise a red flag for you?
If you saw a photo of flying dogs where the photographer says they only show up when he uses a specific “magic” camera, would you believe him? (I wouldn’t be surprised).
This is all simple common logic. There are no magic “Nibiru-revealing) cameras. It is either there or it isn’t, plain and simple. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
And the worst part is that we don’t need Nibiru to fulfill the prophecy. There are any number of asteroids out there that could impact the earth. A huge one came out of nowhere a few months ago and almost hit us, so why must you believe so many lies just to give you some sort of hope that the bible will be correct. Put your faith in the word of God then look for real signs. Putting your faith in known lies will not get you any points in the kingdom.
These false sites are the work of Satan who will do anything to fool Christians into false beliefs. Those of us who are too lazy to do the required research will fall victim to his evil plot. I am here to keep others from falling into his traps using my lifetime of accumulated knowledge on certain topics. You can call me a cynic and pretend the science is just a personal opinion, but that won’t get you any closer to the truth.
Be careful in what you believe. Take nothing at face value and never make assumptions just because they fit your theories. That is the credo of a real scientist, but then you should already know it. The question is, will you ever start living by it?
Maybe… someday(?)
jim
You are making claims that certain things are true, that are NOT verified as true.
I do follow the bible, which is why I keep looking to see if science, the real facts, not propaganda, provides an explanation as to how the events will unfold.
I have seen videos that were NOT lens flare, because the person would demonstrate that it wasn’t. There are a lot of testimonies of eye witnesses to the extra “sun” that were not fake photos.
where you say….
“Even the You Tube idiots who took the pictures admit they never saw it. It only appears in the camera.”
this is NOT true…you are making this up.
you say we don’t need nibiru….that is not the point…the point is DOES it exist, and is it coming?
just because you do not like the videos and think they are stupid, does not negate reality….
if I believe in god, but produce a stupid video about God, it does not mean God does not exist.
as for the sumarians, yes they could could have that knowledge…the nephilim walked the earth, according to the bible…and taught mankind all sorts of things., especially about astronomy and astrology. there are ancient records showing them using what we would consider modern technology
the 2 horns are nothing but the asteroid belt around nibiru seen from a certain angle….it is an iron oxide “tail” that wraps around it and trails behind the planet as it moves forward.
nibiru is supposed to have 6-7 moon around it, which is not strange, since earth has a moon, and so do some other planets.
so “someday” we will find out for sure.
be blessed
Tell me exactly where you got the information:
“the 2 horns are nothing but the asteroid belt around nibiru seen from a certain angle….it is an iron oxide “tail” that wraps around it and trails behind the planet as it moves forward.“
The reason I ask as both of these conditions defy the laws of physics.
If there were asteroids around any planet (better called moonlets or debris) they would be in a roughly circular orbit and would form rings like the planet Saturn has. The horned shape is simply not possible, and that is a fact. Ask any science teacher if you don’t believe me.
As for the iron oxide tail, that is completely preposterous. Only comets have tails and the tails are composed of ice and gasses which are so light that the light pressure from the solar wind is sufficient to push these particles away from the comet as it rounds the sun.
Asteroids are made of rock or iron and don’t have tails… ever. And even though iron versions are made of… iron, they do not exhibit an iron oxide tail,,, ever.
As for planets, they are far too large for particles as heavy as iron to escape. If so, the earth would have a huge tail since iron oxide is all over the place. And if Nibiru is truly 4 times the diameter of the earth, then its gravity would be well over ten times stronger than earth’s, so if Nibiru has a tail, the earth would have to have an even bigger one,,, but it doesn’t. And don’t forget mars, the red planet – covered in iron oxide and with half the gravity of the earth. It should have a super tail… but it doesn’t. And it never could. Its miracle that comets even have a tail, but a planet? NEVER. IT JUST ISN’T POSSIBLE!
Again, ask any science teacher if I’m right or not.
But where are the documents that prove your points? They are not part of the original myth, which as we know was made up in the 1800’s and not the Sumarians, so where did all these intimate details of the planet come from?
You know where… You Tube idiots. 14 year old kids having fun with their computers most likely. They don’t care about getting the science right because most people who visit their sites are dumber than they are.
Yet you say that not only Nibiru is real but that we have a second sun too. And that they are visible to the naked eye. But you’ve never seen these thing nor have I, and I know what to look for and I have a telescope and many cameras. So how do you explain the fact that only a few You Tube idiots have ever seen the second sun and nobody in the history of the world has ever noticed it? Does that sound logical to you? Does it sound believable to you? Well it doesn’t to me and anyone with working eyes would agree with me.
If Nibiru was part of bible prophecy God would make it visible to every Christian, if not all peoples. He wouldn’t reveal it to a few You Tube idiots and use them as prophets to inform the world.
Well, I think I’m getting the job done here, there doesn’t seem to be anyone backing you up here (except maybe Adam! 😦 ) So maybe I’m making a dent in Satan’s evil Nibiru hoax.
I hope so…
ask any science teacher? most have a BS and do not know anything about science, or enough to barely teach their high school class.
how do you know what is possible? i never said nibiru is real, I said it might be real, and have presented why people think it is. People who saw it in the sky…..from wherever they are on the planet, which seems to be the southern hemisphere at this time.
I talked to someone who had seen it through the Huble telescope. and they did not take a photo and publish it.
also Dr. Robert Harrington at the United States Naval Observatory has also testified that planet x was real… after he testified, he “died suddenly.” and russian scientists say it is real. they talk about it on russian TV.
nibiru, if real, will not come on your schedule or demand, or on anyone elses….
God is in control of this universe, no one else….and scienists here will NEVER be able to understand all the laws of physics that God has created.
nibiru is a hoax to YOU….but I have said multiple times that I am taking a wait and see approach… you are not.
and why would people suspect a topic like nibiru would be discussed on a page about muslims?
you are a government shrill…and work for O……but I do not care… I suggest you put all your opinions before the Lord, and ask for answers, instead of making them up yourself, or listening to the propaganda you have been submerged in.
I read this planet X is where those from the heaven came. But, I wonder if that was just another lie from those who follow Lucifer at the time Lucifer stated G-d’s laws are not just.
I suspect these so called aliens are from a different plane, not a planet. I think we will see soon.
satan is the prince of the air right now…
.that gives him license to move around as he pleases….
satan may be skooting around in different ways.
hopefully we will see the Lord end this soon.
Good point about the wrong topic here.
I will continue on :
PS: I believe this Muslim 666 blog is as fake as the ones on Nibiru…
So there.
Always like to interject a bit of historical facts when the topic of Nibiru pops up.
“The original prediction that Nibiru would collide with earth came from an unlikely source.
A Wisconsin woman Nancy Lieder said that as a young girl she was contacted by extraterrestrials called Zetas who had set up a communication device in her brain and sent out messages to her and they had told her about the Nibiru collision.
Though she had predicted the year of doom as 2003, however it has been linked with the year 2013 after the interpretations with Sumerian and Mayan calendars.
According to the interpretation recorded by astronaut writer Zecharia Sitchin, it is said that a planet that crosses Earth once in 3600 years and is an opportunity for the Annunaki (the inhabitants of Nibiru) to interact with the humans.
NASA is publicly denying anything about collision (and even deny the existence of Nibiru), but privately several sources in NASA have confirmed the projected collision date of July 21, 2013.”
http://www.kenyan2013.com/2012/03/25/earth-to-collide-with-nibiru-on-july-21-2013/
To those with a logical mind – if Nibi was to be here by 2003, then be here by 2013, and as of today there is no evidence of Nibi anywhere in sight as we see the moon and sun anywhere on earth with the naked eye – then Nibiru is not a literal planet (a New Age revelation) but is what was written by the Babylonians.
The original Babylonian text explains –
“The stars of heaven, let him [Nibiru] set their course; let him shepherd all the gods like sheep” (Enuma Elish, Tablet VII lines 126-127).
Since this is Babylonian – the players in the above lines are not God’s angelic hosts (Psalm 91) but players in Lucifer’s realm of fallen angles (gods).
I’m reminded of Abbott and Costello, “Who’s on First” – some folks just don’t get it.
modern thought about nibiru..is NOT based on nancy lieder.. who talks to demons.
it is from personal observations of people….i repeatedly say wait and see but no one wants to do that.
Leatherneck,
You got it.
The Babylonians who wrote the original script of Nibiru realized where demonic spirits came from:
Nibiru, in Babylonian Astronomy translates to “Planet of Crossing” or “Point of Transition.”
“The establishment of the Nibiru point is described in tablet 5 of the Enuma Elish.
As the highest point in the paths of the planets, Nibiru was considered the seat of the summus deus who pastures the stars [ 1/3 of the angles (stars) fell with Lucifer] like sheep, in Babylon identified with Marduk [demon of great power in Satan’s kingdom of darkness].
This interpretation of Marduk as the ruler of the cosmos was identified as an early monotheist tendency in Babylonian religion by Alfred Jeremias.”
http://www.kenyan2013.com/2012/03/25/earth-to-collide-with-nibiru-on-july-21-2013/
The original Babylonian text explains –
“The stars of heaven, let him [Nibiru] set their course; let him shepherd all the gods like sheep” (Enuma Elish, Tablet VII lines 126-127).
Since this is Babylonian – the players in the above lines are not God’s angelic hosts (Psalm 91) but players in Lucifer’s realm of fallen angles (gods).
God bless you.
Psalm 20
You will have to argue with Marianne on this one. She believes Nibiru is real and that it is related to wormwood, not fallen angels.
But as a cynic, I’m not going to take any Babylonian writings at face value which would only go to validate their pagan religion so I’m not going to comment on that.
Bless.
This is all lies, in the Quran theres 60 hizb and not 666 verses lol, and we muslims believe that 666 is the number of the anti-christ, and muslims cant be evil cause we muslims love Jesus and mary and salomon, zackary, Abraham and all the other prophets , so stop spreading lies all over the internet about a religion you heard of not you seaeched about !
yes Chaouni, there are lots of mistakes in that article
there are 6236 verses in the Quran
Muhammad = 92 in arabic gematria (mim = 40, hâ = 8, mim = 40, dal = 4 = 92)
etc.
also, saying “You cannot believe the 666 is both good and evil.You have to make a choice as to what you believe.” is terribly wrong
good and evil are relative, never absolute
666 is a number, it is absolute
666 can be seen as good, relativly to something, and bad relativly to something different.
(it is the same with a laser for example : it can be used for things we can see as good, as it can used for doing things we can see as bad, this does not mean a laser is good or bad : all depends on what is done with it !!!)
skylight
We are talking about the greek symbols which is translated as 666 in english….but in arabic, spells bismallah….please see picture at the top of the page.
yes I know, and that’s does not change nothing, you have to know that before :
in the “omega” table (or “9 table”) either
jesus = 666,
muhammad = 666
and lucifer = 666
666 is the weight of their name in that “9” table because 9 is the last number
and this happens only with that table because of the lasts times when knowledge appears (apocalypse) Jesus, Muhammad and Lucifer holds the same absolute : the knowledge (1+1=2 is a knowledge which is absolute, it does not change whether you believe or not, or depending times or cultures etc.) whereas their own messages are different of course.
concerning the greek for 666 lots of names in greek can weight 666
in this example given here, only one letter, the xi (=60), looks like Allah, the other letters (X, chi=1000 and sigma = 300) that count for the total of 666 (i actually count 1360…) do not match nothing in the bismillah, can you explain that ?
Thanks
you can check that here : http://skylight33.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_archive.html#gematrie
the article is right about the weight of the greek letters diagamma (=6, obsolete), xi (=60) and chi (=600) in that gematria table :
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/HistTopics/Greek_numbers.html
(but wrong in the correspondance gematria table between hebrew, greek and arabic alphabets, as seen previously)
I do not think John was thinking about gematria when he wrote that….he never mentioned gematria.
Whatever John was thinking, this is a fact.
You should also understand that most of the things he never mentionned were hidden in purpose. As a matter of fact not everyone is able to understand some knowledge.
You aslo have the right to “think” that :
jesus = muhammad = lucifer = 666 in table omega gematria
is happening only by chance and does not mean anything !
now you have to understand why John said this is the wisdom to calculate that number : tell me, i am curious to know that.
jesus does NOT equal Muhanned or lucifer…
the gematria is a silly game
you see why things are sometimes hidden to people ? You are not even capable of analyzing facts, you do not even give a try to understand what I am saying.
I never said they are equal, this would be silly indeed, I said the weight of their names is the same under some conditions, and the meaning of that conditions is wisdom, according John (this is why i did not put bold letter at the beggining of their names when I mention the weight of the letters : if I would mention the prophets themselves I would put a bold letter before)
PS : remember one thing : one believes in God, and follow a religion to get closer to Him. All religion say the same thing but differently as you would for teaching in school : all school say the same truth but differently according the capabilities of their students. All religions promote peace and love. People who pretend the opposite just are politicians.
no …not all religions promote peace…some wage war, and behead people
gematria is stupid…
look at the picture in the original post…it spells bismallah
the greek symbols have nothing to do with numbers
Some religion promotes War in the name/disguise of Peace 😉
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http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html
http://clintalexander.hubpages.com/hub/Islam-vs-Christianity-A-Study-in-Violence-and-Cruelty
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(…that’s just, 2 links…there are dozens others)!
To ALL mothers’, her own kids are the best than the rest 😉
gematria gives access to true knowledge…
now you think it is stupid
have a guess : what should I say next ?…
Skylight33,
Interesting name, offering a few interpretive options.
Sixes are structural (spiritual and physical) and collectively a construct.
“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six” (Revelation 13:18).
The number 6 repeated 3 times represents a well established, very strong construct.
666 is a numerical representation of Lucifer’s various constructs built upon and within God’s creation.
Lucifer’s 666 construct is evident within: institutions (including religions, eduction, political, banking/finance), organizations and societies, art and architecture, media and communication and more. These constructs are established and operated without acknowledging or giving glory and praise to Almighty God and His Son (the Word made flesh).
666 is ultimately about the Lucifer and his rebellion; The Prince of this World.
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/blog/
Notes:
1) The structure of the Louvre Pyramid has 666 symbolic rhombi in its design (not panes of glass as is commonly and incorrectly reported). The Louvre is all about art.
2) The Washington Monument is 6660″ in height (555ft) and 666 inches x 666 inches at the base. The “Founding Fathers” (Masons) were pagan as the “666” obelisk in Washington DC represents them to be.
3) www is equivalent to 666 in terms of gematria and position within the Hebrew alphabet.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waw_(letter)
4) In the Donation, the Pope is referred to as VICARIVS FILII DEI meaning “substitute in the place of the son, God” [or sun-god more likely].
If you add all the roman numerals I+V+X+L+C+D except for M, (1+5+10+50+100+500) they add up to 666. If you add the M the sum is 1666, the year of the Great Fire of London.
The phrase VICARIVS FILII DEI adds up to 666 if you drop its non-numerical letters F-A-R-S-E (112+53+501= 666).
5) Here’s another spelling – FOX NEWS which is a good representative of the media.
F is the 6th letter of the alphabet.
O is the 15th letter; 1 + 5 = 6
X is the 24th letter; 2 + 4 = 6
By concatenation FOX = 666.
N-E-W-S is north, east, west, and south.
In this secret way Fox News spreads the power of 666 to the four corners of the Earth.
6) The telephone number president Nixon called to talk to Neil Armstrong, first man to walk on the moon, during the lunar landing of Apollo 11, was 666-6666.
7) The sum of the heights of the buildings in the reconstructed World Trade Center in lower Manhattan is 6660 feet.
Yes indeed, they destroyed the twin towers (pillars before the temple) in order to construct the One World Tower with a collective architectural design of 666. Such is the wisdom of man.
Source:
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/13/666/
Blessings
Psalm 64 applies
The number 666 is to be used to identify the beast which is the Vatican. The fact that it is the number of a man refers to the False Prophet, not an antichrist, but the pope whose number is 666.
As for the crap like the Washington monument, this is silly. 6660 is not the same as 666 and inches are not biblical nor universal. What about centimeters? Maybe we need to use only cubits. Plus it is the number of a man, not his height. It is not a distance or a number of glass panels. These structures have nothing to do with bible prophecy. And there is no reason to try to tie them to the bible either. I’ll bet there are people in Britain looking for buildings that have 666 centimeters in their measurements and the same could be said for a hundred other countries. It is all an exercise in futility and none of it will get you any closer to the truth.
DJ
the problem is that everyone believes that the Bible says 666 is evil.
The Bible does not say that.
Saying it is the beast number does not mean it is evil. Evil is not the beast nor the beast is Evil, otherwise why would Christians still eat animals everyday ?!
The Bible says it is wisdom to calculate thenumber 666. It also says that this number is a man number.
The Bible does not say it is good or bad, but everyone wants it to be good or bad ! Worse, it MUST be either good or bad !…
As you have noticed through your internet searches there is something strong from the mathematical point of view with 666
From 1 to 9 :
1 : 1 x 1 = 1
2 : 11 x 11 = 121
3 : 111 x 111 = 12321
4 : 1111 x 1111 = 1234321
5 : 11111 x 11111 = 123454321
6 : 111111 x 111111 = 12345654321
7 : 1111111 x 1111111 = 1234567654321
8 : 11111111 x 11111111 = 123456787654321
9 : 111111111 x 111111111 = 12345678987654321
from the 4th line, one can see 6 times the pattern “234” and 6 times the pattern “432” and 234 + 432 = 666
also note that : 2 + 3 + 4 = 4 + 3 + 2 = 9
9 is the pivot of that triangle
Alpha and omega are represented by the first and the last numer : 1 and 9
according that number 9 we can go through the analysis of 666 according the end of times (eschatological) point of view, and guess what ! this is exactly what John brings on the table.
He clearly says wisdom it to use intelligence to calculate that number.
What else do we need ?!
So now, what a surprise, when we use the omega gematric table it comes out that
jesus = muhammad = lucifer = 666
(okay, okay, as Marianne says, this does NOT mean Jesus equals Muahmmad equals Lucifer, of course not ! This is a weight number according one kind of calculation, related to eschatology)
This means that their names bring with them the (common) knowledge that appears clearly at the end of the times, no matter how this knowledge has been teached.
the “Beast” is the antichrist and his kingdom
Carnivorous animals kill other animals in the jungle for food. We call them Beasts!
We humans eat a lot of Beef, Pork, Lamb, Mutton, Turkey, Ham, Horse, etc., etc.
Hey, but we are NOT Beasts! We eat them on our lunch/dinner tables!!! 😮
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(…just kidding 😉 )
You never cease to amaze me and you are called by GOD for such a time as this , it’s a joy to know there’s someone like you out there standing fast to the face of GOD because HE delights in you amen and amen .
thank you for the nice words and thoughts
Muslims think 666 is holy but those in know see it as the “Devils” number. This is confirmed by the fact that MUSLIMS IN PRAYER FACE THE DEVIL AND MOON GOD WITH THEIR BUT CRACKS. Think about it. Muslim is a Cult, not a religion. An evil cult at that. Obama = OMuslim… Both evil, lying, conniving, selfish, egotistical MANIACS !!! Just look at how they treat their women. It isn’t God that guides them but a perverted soul that they follow.
Christian = love your enemy
Islam = kill your enemy
Now decide
dear Echomike,
if you choose Christian, then you “decide” to love your enemy, which means you will have to love muslims.
Are you ready for that ?
sky
love does NOT = submission to persecution……
one can love an enemy and still defend themselves against them
Hi Marianne,
well, this is your own interpretation, not Jesus’ one : Jesus offers his side to offenders. Because he knows they are wrong and he is Truth
And, if you were right, be logical with yourself and accept Palestinians to protect themselves against colonization ! You see, it is not easy to defend the wrong.
Echomike,
You see now – in case you truly not love muslims & Islam, do you ? – from your own rules, have a guess in which side you are now !…. God has lots of humour when it comes to wrong logic.
You should fear Power of God, instead of writing piffling quotes here.
Do what you have to do, manage your own person before trying to handle the mistakes of the others
Take care both
Salam Marianne,
Allah is the Arabic word for God. The Arabic Muslims also call Allah their God. If you think God is Satan, then you are on the wrong side. God is all good. The Arab Christians call God “Allah.”
hamza
I understand arabs use allah for god. I think this tradition started with the musilms who were in the majority in the muslim countries and so the other arabs adopted the practice.
I have arab christian friends who tell me the same thing you do.
the original name used in the bible is Yahovah…..for god….other terms like adonai (Lord) and elohim (god) are also used. Yahovah is more of a specific name. It is the proper name for god.
it helps to use Yahovah because it is the name the creator instructed moses to use to identify him, just like hamza identifies you better than the word man or woman. I think hamza is a male name, from what I can understand.
I first got this article from a speech an ex-muslim gave, saying that the code used in the bible for 666 was actually arabic for bismallah…..so that is how the connection was made. if you read the post, you will see why he said that.
then there were a few other websites that seemed islamic and they were using these numbers as holy.
so I am not saying ever that the true creator is satan. that would be stupid of me. 🙂
there is a tendency of people now to try to identify the antichrist, whose number is 666, because we are in the end times and people want to know who their enemy is.
so they look at every possibility….I have heard some make the Pope, the queen of england, and prince charles or wiliam the antichrist as well.
there are many now who have been watching other political leaders and saying they are the antichrist as well.
I will not say who I think it is, because there is more than one leader who is wicked enough to be the antichrist.
Time will reveal this.
I hope this makes things more clear.
god bless you.
You had me smile the whole post:
1. In Islam there are no holy numbers or special numbers. I don’t really know where you got the idea of 666 or especially 19 being holy numbers (or unholy).
2. The word you used is not “Bismillah”, it is “Allah” (The God). Do proper research before claiming anything.
3. The sign you associated with the word “Allah” is not even close. I bet we can find many words or characters from other scripts that can match other words (positively or negatively).
4. Arabic is an ancient language, and “Ellah” (a god), “Al-Ellah” (The God), Allahom (O’ God) and “Allah” (The God) are not borrowed words or scripts. “Elah” in Aramaic and “Elohim” Hebrew also existed and can be linked to these words roots. You will find these words in the old/new testament in the Aramaic/Hebrew versions (both spoken by Prophet Jesus PBUH).
5. Believe it or not, Arab Christians use the word “Allah” (The God) when referring to God (written and spoken). They also use “Alrab” (The Lord), which Arab Muslims also uses. I guess Arab Christians
6. Unlike Christians who claim that they must wear a cross, Muslims don’t have to wear anything. In fact, we are not allowed to wear or carry holy things if we are going to end up having them in unholy places. Our religion focus on the beliefs/intentions/actions, rather than on symbolism.
7. Regardless of its accuracy/inaccuracy, Numerology is heavily used in Witchcraft/Fortunetelling. It is against our religion to believe in such things. If it is okay for current day Christians to do that, then please don’t assume the same for other religions. This only prove that we don’t care about 666 or any other number.
8. According to our belief, there are many signs for The Best, or AlMasseh Aldajjal (Not-Christ or Anti-Christ). He will have one eye, he will have super powers to persuade people into believing in him, and on his forehead there will be the sign “Kafir” (Infidel). I believe both religion agree on the first two, so what are the chances of the last one being miss-translated in Christians scriptures through the times? (our book never got translated).
9. Muslims expect the second coming of Jesus, just like Christians do. However, we expect the Christ to be a prophet, not a God. The Anti-Christ was set by God to test those who followed God teachings from those who went astray. It is not a matter of learning signs or numbers, it is a matter of whether your belief is free from any alterations/additions/omissions and following the straight path. If you do, then the Anti-Christ will have no power in deceiving you. Your belief is the one that is going to save you from him, not just the signs learning or Numerology you used here.
10. Please read about Islam. It is clear you have only superficial information that are largely misleading. If you are not going to, then at least stop posting misleading things about things you don’t even research well (if at all).
May God guide you and me to his true path.
thank you but I know enough about islam not to want it. too many millions of christians killed in the name of allah.
Hi Marianne, hope you are doing well & my best wishes for you & family
Sorry to tell you that, but this is actually because you do not know Islam well enough that you are islamophobic.
Islam has nothing to do with what media mention about it, i.e. nothing to do with ISIS, nothing to do with Boko Haram and even less to do with Charlie Hebdo which are 100% made up from nothing in order to create troubles and so that governments can make decisions they would never be allowed to otherwise.
The “islam” you think you know about is pure politics, nothing else.
i think the term islamophobic is stupid, it is created to intimidate people into submitting to terror.
phobic means fear.
I am not afraid of ANYONE except God.
i an against islam because it is violent and evil….it receive reports every day about violent jihad.
and that is a lie that I do not accept…that Isis, boko haram , hamas are not islamic…..I am not that stupid to believe that.
they represent true islam…they are obeying the quran….and doing what muhammed did…..the head of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies…he knows what he is doing…
there are jihad camps and terror training camps all over the USA because we have a morally corrupt government who allows this. If I were president , I would have bombed them all by now.
I do not submit to terror. And God’s angels surround my house if anyone wants to try.
yes, you are right, islamophobic is the wrong term when you don’t understand what it means ! you should instead ask yourself if you love muslim. You say you fear God only, if that is true and you are sincerely following Jesus word, then you shall love everyone on earth including all muslims.
There is the same with antisemitic word which does not mean anything. The first truly antisemitic people on earth are jewish people, as they kill palestinian arabs who are 100% semitic people whereas jewish are at best 20% genuine semitics…
sky
I am not against any human being.
I am against the violence taught to muslim in the quran.
palestinians are terrorists….Israel has to defend itself against crazy people.
I already told you many times, religions are all a call for peace, and violence is only politics. Every time you see someone in the media, on the internet or anywhere else, particularly in churches !, mentioning some verses of the Quran, the New Testament or the Old Testament stating – and concluding ! – this is violence so this religion is all about violence is wrong.
I know a popular book which says this about jewish people :
– they are a perverse and crooked generation
– a sinfull nation
– they have despised the Holy One of Israel
– Their whole head is sick, and their whole heart faint
– Their hands are full of blood
– unreasonable people.
– A foolish people.
– A guilty nation.
– A people charged with crimes.
– A race of criminals.
– Vicious children.
– A people who love evil.
– A people who hates justice.
– People who mistakenly everything right.
– Who built Zion in the blood.
– Children of witches.
– An adulterous race
– A race of prostitute
– A liar race
– Stupid people.
– brainless children
– Expert for evil.
– Hardened rebels.
– All of the criminals.
– Children “whore”
– Prophets killers.
– Children of the Devil.
– etc.
have you heard of that book ?
no …Islam calls for violence. In the book you refer to, you are called the heathen who rage.
Islam is not really a religion. it is a political, legal, military and religious system, all combined.
sharia law is incompatible with freedom and decency. I hear imams saying it is ok to have sex with infants. this is disgusting.
those terms can be applied to any person group in the world.
one group learned its lesson.
the others have not yet.
yes that’s right, but in that case it is God Himself in the Bible who speaks.
You cannot listen to imams who say having sex with infants is ok, this does not exist, this is showbizz only, but you are naive enough to believe this.
Also, if you come to horrific stuff, you should first mention Talmudic teachings which are far worse !!! here is how these insane people behave :
I already sent this video to you but it seems your memory is not good enough to remember that…
the book i’m refering to is the BIBLE, and it is God Almighty who speaks in those terms about JEWISH people
their sins represent the sins of everyone…..
bible also says that Israel repents, and it is God’s people, and he loves them
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+32%3A4-6&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+1&version=ESV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hosea+2&version=KJV
etc. etc. the Bible is full of that, do you read sometimes the Bible ?
who are the terrorists ?!!!
Israel, NATO, etc. funding al qaeda & ISIS :
It is so obvious but of course you don’t know about that….
Who are violent terrorists ?!!!
some woman blames Israel and that is proof?
Israel wants nothing to do with syria.
the USA, on the other hand, is headed by the very muslim brotherhood ( and US muslim President) she admires, and the muslims in america are funding ISIS and terrorists (muslim brotherhood) in syria…..i remember benghazhi scandal…USA was sending weapons to muslim brotherhood in syria and our ambassador was killed in embassy.
so muslims are killing muslims.
I also remember muslim brotherhood terrorist cutting out heart of victim, and eating his heart on video…that is a savage beast, not a human
the obvious is that Russia + China is bigger than USA. Right in the middle are muslimo-arabic countries and right in that middle there is Israel. And in between all this big mess, energy (oil, gas & nuclear) adds another layer of complexity
Some weak spirits will believe the consequences of that huge mess are only a matter of religion, mainly because this is what media want you to believe. Deeper knowledge show this is just a matter of geopolitics and religion is used as a tool to leverage political decision.
you should know that democracy is where the stupidest in the bottom of the (freemasonic-)pyramid make the decisions for all, so it is quite normal at some point that such “hold-up of the minds” happens thanks to media or any other mean.
You, Marianne, is smart enough to go over that narrow minded point of view for which all problems would be caused by religions, as result of pretended “civilisation clash”. So, please, once again, wake up 🙂
PLS note that I have nothing against Jewish people. Moreover you have to know that by caring for strict observance of the (Mosaic) Law, they behave like children. This is in that respect, that we should consider they are “the ones” which means we, as Christians (i.e. teenagers) & Muslims (i.e. adults), have the duty to care for them and to offer them protection.
Welcome into the real world.
PS : if you believe the head of ISIS is a muslim then you are not “phobic” at all, that’s right : you are just naive.
9/11 distillated the same beliefs in your out-of-memory mind, and you see now the consequences : total mess everywhere, not 17, nor 100 nor a thousand, nor 10 thousand but one million civilians killed – over a decade or so – without any reasons (no mass destruction weapons… how strange…) Who are the terrorists ?!!!
Today France undergo its own 9/11, after zionists pushed for war in Africa, then in Syria and in Ukraine. Same staging and is now on its highway to hell…
Consequences ? Judeo-freemasonery is increasing its control over individuals worldwide, and we get a bit closer to the Orwellian world.
That story you can name it “bye-bye freedom !”, thanks to your friends 🙂
Wake up, Marianne, wake up !
Skylight
To say zionist wages war in Africa etc is to say IS stands for freedom. Your so called messanger Muhammed the satanist have brain washed you. Mossad must kill to protect the holy land from you satanists. Wake up yourself. Do you think G-d would choose one who can not read on earth? He could not compare things with the Bible because he could not read. Do you think G-d would choose someone that married a child that was nine years old? Do you think G-d would choose someone that told his son to divorce his wife so he could marry her? This is a crime against the top ten commandments and you satanists say the Bible is holy. Do you think G-d would choose someone that slept with his uncles dead wife? Do you think my lovely G-d would choose someone that kills the holy people in the Bible the Hebrews? Satan/Muhammed killed 800 in Israel when they refused to convert to satan/islam. You satanist/muslims say the Bible is holy and the Bible says Israels neighbour countries will be erased in future and they are muslim. The Bible is holy so you can not explain this. Stop refering and saying things about Bible. Hold yourself to your fucking book and leave our holy book alone. We dont want you disgusting people refering to our holy people and prophets.
Fuck off!
good points
the fact you do not understand nothing is maybe just shows your hypothesis are wrong… think about it
You criticize all time Islam and now that is hurts to mention the Bible, suddenly we should not speak of it 🙂
Weak logic. Weak people.
Ok, lets discuss the Bible.
The last prophecy from Balaam says moab [Jordan/Islam) will be destroyed in future.
Isaiah 14-19 says Yisroel neighbour countries will be destroyed in future
Amos 1 says the satanist terrorists palastinians will be erased from earth.
Zefanphia 2 tells us the same thing
Ezekiel 38-39 says Turkey, Syria and other countries will attack us Yisroel and will be destroyed in future.
The Bible says hebrews will come back to our country and live their forever in peace. To live in peace is the same thing as no muslims left in the area.
This is some of many future prophecies about erase the satanist muslims.
Judaism and Christianity is the only religion from G-d. Period!
Dear, I wish I could help, but it is actually not the correct way to proceed. If we were to discuss the Bible, we first should find a way to explain why Noah died at 950 years old for example. Only then we could maybe discuss about locations and times.
The first thing we could reasonably try to agree on, so far, is to say that the Word of God is always true, regardless the period of time, the location, the people to whom these Words are addressed, their culture and tradition, etc.
Ex-Muslim Tells of Literal Slaughterhouses where Kidnapped Christians are Dissected and their Organs Sold to Islamic Nations
Read more at http://eaglerising.com/14192/ex-muslim-tells-literal-slaughterhouses-kidnapped-christians-dissected-organs-sold-islamic-nations/#f3htrwj2DKfs2XkR.99
gee in almost every country where there are real muslims, things like this happen….disgusting, monsters
Ex-Muslim Tells of Literal Slaughterhouses where Kidnapped Christians are Dissected and their Organs Sold to Islamic Nations
Read more at http://eaglerising.com/14192/ex-muslim-tells-literal-slaughterhouses-kidnapped-christians-dissected-organs-sold-islamic-nations/#f3htrwj2DKfs2XkR.99
17 another people killed in the name of mossad : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW9Ip2JjoFw
I think it is the other way around: millions of Muslims got killed by Christians (now and even then). Millions of Christians (or pseudo-Christians) killed Millions of other Christians in WWI and WWII, too. You know too little, not only about Islam. I tried to reason, but you seam to be on of those who is just looking for a reason to bomb us (or make one).
denial will not change the facts.
christians have to defend themselves…and in ww1 and ww2, we were fighting communists and nazis
muslims would not get killed at all if they did not attack people first.
Denial is denying that millions only got killed by you (not the other way around). Denial is labeling excessive aggression as self-defense. Denial is calling innocent fellow Christian European citizens, who happened to live there, as just communists and nazis who deserves to die (or to the other way). Denial is thinking that others don’t have the right to defend themselves. You can go all the way to the Christians Crusades, and you will realize that it is not just one side that attacks first. Have a good one.
i guess you would deny what ISIS is doing also
the crusades were justified….the muslims were destroying the holy land
Ex-Muslim Tells of Literal Slaughterhouses where Kidnapped Christians are Dissected and their Organs Sold to Islamic Nations
Read more at http://eaglerising.com/14192/ex-muslim-tells-literal-slaughterhouses-kidnapped-christians-dissected-organs-sold-islamic-nations/#f3htrwj2DKfs2XkR.99
these are real muslims!
You know, all of these world problems could be completely eliminated if we only had a great benevolent dictator to rule the world with an iron rod in a fair and humane way, banning warfare and violence forever.
If only God could put someone like that in charge, surely the world would be a better place. Almost paradise.
Well, lets all pray that something like this happens soon, before man destroys himself completely.
Don’t ya think?
well , sounds like a job for superman…!
his name is Jesus 🙂
Bible prophecy says muslims are dead meat in future. Period!
Dear A.S.S.
Bible does not mention muslims from what Bible’s readers say. Period!
https://plus.google.com/photos/+M%C3%A9dineAntisioniste
bible mentions the canaanites, hittites , amorites, etc….arabs….just today they are called muslims with a new name for their religion.
bible also mentions the heathen in the surrounding nations that come against israel…that would be muslims also
ZION = NAZI = millions of dead people !!!!!!!!
PS : Bible has nothing to do with that !!!!!
zion = israel
nazi = germany
(sorry the list has been broken by a broken html reference)
I won’t put back the whole list, just watch the latest false flag : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK_BKrze18I
watch until the end, the cop with a firecracker in his hand to simulate the effect of a bullet… this is pathetic, really
Thanks zionism for free laughs worldwide !!! and Marianne, PLS wake up now, you have slept too much 🙂
http://woundedamericanwarrior.com/the-uk-is-screwed-shocking-video-time-to-kick-islam-out-of-britain-video/
muslims want to dominate and control, by propaganda, murder and raper…not serve God of the bible…..allah is not the god of the bible, which is why christians and jews are called kafirs.
Hours after stabbings, “moderate” Fatah calls for more jihad
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/hours-after-stabbings-moderate-fatah-calls-for-more-jihad?utm_source=Jihad+Watch+Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=0239d4530e-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ffcbf57bbb-0239d4530e-123535257
Sk33-You must be truly dedicated to the cause of muslim jihadism. With that being the case, why are you here ranting at us??? I don’t think anyone here goes knowingly to Muslim websites and rants. We don’t want to interact with their fanaticism, but here you are. If you want to find a way out of your bondage, there are many here who will stand with you. Maybe that is why you are here-a veiled plea for help. I am sure most here will be praying for your salvation. Hopefully you will find the peace in your life that the knowledge and presence of Messiah Yahshua brings to those who seek Him! Feel free to stop by whenever you choose to.
Hey Al ! How are you ? Still there, scanning the logs ? Long time ago 🙂
Still stuck with same tricks ?
For your own information, my only fight – call it djihad if you don’t know the meaning of ‘fight’ ! – is against stupidity and ignorance. How weird you always come back popping up around afterwards 🙂 You have nothing else to say ?
meanwhile instead of loosing your time accusing me, just check what is the meaning of “false flag”…
muslims slaughter and rape in teh name of allah
and they have 2 gods…allah and muhammed which they pretend is just a prophet, but he is given same divine status as allah.
blasphemy can only be against god, not a man…
so speaking against muhammed is blasphemy, so that makes him god too
sl33-
Again, WHY ARE YOU HERE? My posting a video or post to refute your posted video and/or post is futile and means nothing. A child can do that. I would just be interested in knowing what you hope to accomplish here. Are you feeling so unimportant and seeking some sort of relevance, by coming here from the safety of your computer and acting out your bravado in the anonymity of the internet? To what end? No one here is seeking you out or anyone who thinks like you. We already know how you feel and how you believe. We know how we feel and how we believe. WE DON’T AGREE! You know this, so again, WHY ARE YOU REALLY HERE? You are not being honest with yourself or anyone else. I am through with any further comments along this line. Hope you find the help you desperately need!
Shalom
he is just here to harass us.
sky
islam abuses women – female genital mutilation…all because men cannot control their lust
http://conservativepost.com/islamic-leader-commands-female-genital-mutilation-of-two-million-women/
Hi Marianne,
What you mean is actually not done in the name of Islam, this is an old tradition which preceded long time before Islam. The point on which you are right, is that Islam never clearly condemn those awful traditions, and I am 100% with you to fight this !
About ISIS, here is what you have to know :
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html
You may noticed there is no Islam involved in between Ukraine & Russia… and Russia wins. You understand why it can be of major interest to have a scapegoat.
This is still a US-mossad war for energy. Unless you are a total dumb you know that 9/11 was an inside job organised by mossad. This is common knowledge all over the world now. ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, etc. are all inventions to justify hard decisions to make.
As a matter of fact, if you wish to fight against female mutilation organised by ISIS you must denounce mossad, and we will fight together 🙂
Islamic leader commanded all females undergo Genital Mutilation .
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, ISIS main leader, has commanded the female genital mutilation of two million Iraqi girls to “distance them from immorality,” Ibtimes reported
so this is done in name of Islam…..
You need to stop blaming muslim behavior on mossad.
mossad has nothing to do with Islamic fatwas.
I understand male circumcision, because it is a very mild almost painless procedure, very superifcial, and healing is fast.
female circumcision is permanent damage to the body, very painful, deep cutting, and there really is no healing…
at least you are good enough to denounce the mutilation.
I do not see how any man can approve of this and expect a mutilated woman to love him properly.
I dont like to talk sex on a religious blog but circumcision is because we men should not masturbate. There is no legitimate with female genital mutilation. This is satans work. I think many muslims understand they are not from G-d but they are not allowed to leave their faith and will be killed if they do according to their faith. They dont have the balls to do the truth. Look at hamas creators son, he had to flee to USA to leave islam/satan.
circumcision is about hygiene, as you say this is true for moral hygiene (i.e. masturbation and all other luscious thoughts), and of course its physical counterpart is a prior must have.
Before speaking about muslims & islam, pls check. The present world is under mass disinformation as islam is used as political pretext.
Islam is the continuation of other religions and says no more no less, but in a different way (as there are different class levels in a school : the teaching (end meaning) is the same, but the way it is taught is done according the age of student, and therefore its shape is different.
If you want to speak about religions you have to go out of the scope of zionism, in case you are, and remain on what the sacred scriptures say whichever the religion they come from : do not pay attention about lies spread in their name, wrong translations etc.
If you wish to discuss seriously about religions, we can work on that, and you will see that I have nothing against jews nor jewish religion, on the contrary, I believe the duty of muslims is to protect jewish believers. Muslims must have the same responsibility against Jews than they have against the any children. It is exactly the same consideration.
All what we see presently that is pretended to be caused by islam (killing, forcing the faith as you just said, genitals mutilation, forced marriage, etc. has nothing to do with islam, you will find nothing about that in the Quran)
ISIS has nothing to do with Islam
Boko haram has nothing to do with islam
Al Qaeda has nothing to do with islam
etc.
media just pretend these people belong to islam, in order to create the threat
If you already know that, you are part of the conspiration and there is nothing else to say. In case you are not and you are curious to know what is the perspective in which I place this understanding, you can discover more here :
http://skylight33.wordpress.com/
there are 3 billion muslims who permit ISIS and others like them to act.
why don’t they do something, if they oppose it?
http://woundedamericanwarrior.com/italy-muslims-urinate-on-and-destroy-virgin-mary-statue/
muslims urinate on statue of mary
disgusting behavior
you see how you are uniformed about islam : there is a full chapter (Sura 19) about Mary in the Quran, this is to say how much Mary is considered Holy ! (she is considered among the 4 Holiest Women in the History, if not the most Saint)
Anyway, muslim can not urinate on the satue of Mary this is simply impossible. This means that these guys pretend to be muslims, because they are paid for that, but they are actually everything but muslims.
muslims also kill christians, jews and others
muslims rape women, and quran says woman needs 4 witnesses or she is killed.
muslims marry children….because muhammed did…
imam says they can marry babies also
most muslim world is like this.
so you are saying most muslims are NOT muslims?
Marianne, your case is much more serious than I thought.
Everybody kills everybody.
I’ve just told ASS not to read lies about Islam. You have been told so many lies that you believe whatsoever silly and stupid things that your beliefs about islam are totally wrong.
Now read well :
Quran : surah 4 verse 15 : “Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women – bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.”
Where do you see someone has to be killed ?
Between you and me, how many time have you heard in you life a woman seen by 4 people (of her own family !) having sex intercourse ? In good english how do you call such person ?
!!!! WAKE UP !!!!
… before they make you a silly puppet.
honor kiliings of women for marrying for love
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/28/in-pakistan-honor-killings-claim-1000-womens-lives-annually-why-is-this-still-happening/
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
I have seen videos of women stoned to death because she was raped and could not find 4 witnesses to defend her. In islam, a woman needs 4 witnesses to cancel testimony of man
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/12/theobserver
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/10/28/punished-for-being-raped-the-burden-of-women-under-sharia/
having a mobile phone is punished
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
yes there really is a problem but I do not have it
PS : if you are an honest person – and I believe you are ! – you shall stop your computer for 3 months and read 10 times the Quran before coming back stating one single word against islam and muslims. May God open your eyes ! Take good care.
Dan, a modest Christian among billions others.
do you want me to just ignore the news..?
these stories happen every day.
I just pretend they do not exist?
I am a fair person, but I do not choose to be blind either.
what about this story?
is this fair treatment?
http://www.clarionproject.org/news/not-just-isis-syrian-islamists-execute-woman-adultery
I cannot ignore this.
Marianne, as you should know Islam gathers the inheritance of all previous religions, including Judaism where it was admitted to stone to death in such adultery situations. It is not the case anymore, but it used to be.
Every time you see someone encouraging stoning to death you have to know they are not muslims, they may believe they are but they just pretend to. It is written nowhere in Quran. Not even mentionned !
I renew my best advice to you : read several times (beware : one time is not enough, 5 times is a minimum if you wish to begin to understand) the Quran, and you will find no reference at all for that stupidity once again.
If you would read this in the internet : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/gospel-according-to-powell-christ-was-stoned-to-death-andrew-brown-reports-on-a-former-politician-and-greek-scholars-latest-book-which-attempts-to-reinterpret-the-foundations-of-christianity-1376685.html
you would not give a shit of that stupid paper, ok ? so pls do not believe all what people say everywhere about islam neither, this is just my humble advice as you are a smart person and you deserve much better than what you think today.
sky
in judaism, the accuser actually has to be truthful about the adultery, and this was rare to see anyone “seeing” the adultery happen.
it is a private experience usually.
one does not automatically stone the woman because the man rapes her.
and the raped woman does not need 4 witnesses to defend her against her rapist….that is judaism
judaism also has safeguards in place: if she screams for help, then she is not guilty.
so there was very little stoning that happened in the old testament. look yourself, and see if you can find any instances mentioned where a woman was actually stoned to death, or even a man. the bible is not just a book of rules, it is also a story…..and gives accounts of sin and punishment.
Islam does not allow any protection for the raped woman.
the bible also allows for forgiveness…..the story of king david is a good example. he sinned with the wife of another man. he probably forced himself on her, as he was king, and thought he could get away with it. he also had the woman’s husband killed in battle.
neither david nor the woman was stoned for this. david was sorry after confronted by the prophet samuel, and he was punished, but not stoned to death. david married the woman and took care of her, and the baby that was the result.
in Islam there is no room for repentance and forgiveness. the people are accused and then executed.
as for your article from the independent, that is a story …. but there are plenty of MUSLIM news sources that show beheadings, stonings, violence, and death threats to america.
to be fair, I think american president would make anyone angry…but to let you know most people in america do not like him.
he has become dictator.
but for other stories about killings, these are from muslim sources, and they are proud to show it.
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I am not unfair. I am being careful because there are crazy people out there who want to kill me.
it is smart to be ready to defend myself.
I also do not hate muslims as a people. I have muslim friends. I have helped in muslim charity clinic in my town, and I have had a boy student from pakistan stay with me in my home for 2 years.
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But I expect to see muslim world accept responsibility for what ISIS, HAMAS, boko haram and other groups do. Otherwise, they are part of the evil, if they do nothing to stop it.
right now muslims just say “they are not one of us,” and then expect us to do all the fighting….while they do nothing.
this is not right.
you have tradition that anyone who insults Islam should be killed, but then you contradict yourself and let ISIS and others insult and misrepresent your faith.
i am telling you that if violence increases between radical ISIS and other groups and non muslims, and many of us WILL fight back, it will be the fault of the other muslims who chose to sit there and do NOTHING….
and then you can explain yourself to allah when you die that you allowed islam to be misrepresented.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi
According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, he obtained a BA, MA, and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.[8][16][17][18] Other reports say that he earned a doctorate in education from the University of Baghdad.[19]
it sounds like he is well educated in Islam. so he represents islam well with his credentials.
Muslim Sex Groomer was Unaware UK Didn’t Allow Raping 13-Year-Olds
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/muslim-sex-groomer-was-unaware-uk-didnt-allow-raping-13-year-olds/?utm_content=bufferbd148&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Bamidbar 24:17-19
Yeshayahu 14-19, 34
Yechezkel 25-29, 38-39
Yoel 3:19
Amos 1-2
Ovadiah 1:10, 18
Michah 1:6, 5:2
Tzefaniah 2:4
Zechariah 9:4,10 10:11
Malachi 1:4
Muslims future according to the holy Bible. Soon theese verses will be fullfiled. After theese prophecies is fullfilled then Yisroel and the rest of the World can live according to Yeshayahu 11.
I can hardly wait until it happens and more holy prophecies will be fullfilled in the Bible.
thank you for references
you have no idea what this is meaning, instead, you should read this for now :
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Zionism/zionism.htm
Skylucifer33 you crazy f..k!
So you mean we shall say may the Bible is wrong and the crazy guy that you refer to is right? We are not crazy people like muslims. Our faith is the Bible and not an article from http://www.jesus-is-savior.com.
Yisroel is an everlasting kingdom and the only way to have Peace there is to erase the neighbours/satan.
Period!
you don’t even know in what your faith is into, you stupid bigot
(you shall first read the Bible and leave the internet away from your corrupted spirit, before pretending you know something to the Bible…)
I don’t think one can be a bigot about a religion, or political system.
“I don’t think”
yes, we already knew that…
NB : I thought it was kind enough not to react against “… the only way to have peace is to erase neighbours” which is pure NAZISM (period!) but i am forced to see that you don’t even READ the comments.
“Among the most disturbing political phenomena of
our time is the emergence in the newly created State
of Israel of the Freedom Party (Herut), a political
party closely akin in its organization, method,
political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi
and Fascist parties.”
[NB : Menachem Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir who were members of that party became Prime Ministers.]
Albert Einstein, Hanna Arendt and other prominent Jewish Americans, writing in The New York Times, protest the visit to America of Menachem Begin, December 1948.
The only way to have peace in that region, is that ISRAEL would be SMART enough to come back to the UN borders of 1967, period!
(+ Israelis stop being paranoiac, and stop terrorism everywhere in the world)
STOP ZIONISM – STOP BEING STUPID
(if you really believe it is written in the Bible that God will give you Zion, then WHY is it necessary to fight, kill & being barbaric ?!!! If you are clever enough you will easily understand that you just have to behave as He ask you to behave in order to get what He promised ! It is necessary to fight because you DO NOT believe that God will give you Zion, this is as simple as that)
Nobody know what is Zion. Zionists take some verses somewhere to make the theory and forget other verses somewhere else that go against the theory. They are so prompt to mention the Word of God when it arranges them, and become angry when one mention some verses that hurts !…
You’ve got the land, it has been given to you, why are you not happy with what everybody agrees to give you ? Leave the world live in PEACE !
Thank you for your good understanding and Shalom Aleichem
going back to 1967 borders would leave ISrael defenseless. syria could attack Israel easily
it is tradition that when there is a war, the victorious take the land.
this has been going on since man was created. so thousands of years, or millions…
ISrael won the land in the 1967 war, so it is ISrael land.
every countries in the world have borders and can defend themselves. Only Israel had to build walls, what a shame for a people that had been forced into deportation camps !
This is why I said they could achieve that if they were SMART : when you do not have enemies you do not have to live in fear of being attacked… This is why Israel will never actually achieve its own dream. The way present Israeli team is managing its own destiny is an endless nightmare.
I agree more with your second argument as Israel is the only country of the world that has been created on the base of paper – the Bible ! – whereas all the others have been created on the base of power balance. So the 1967 new borders are actually its best achievement of Israel up to date. The actual problem lies elsewhere, and it would be too long to develop that here.
Israel has been surrounded by enemies of God for 4000 years…nothing new.
other countries were not formed on power base. surrounding countries created by UN
we have documentaries on how jihad groups are planning to attack USA “unbelievers” in name of allah…
what do you say about this?
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2013/09/15/are-you-located-near-a-terrorist-training-camp-in-america-find-out-here/
Al,
We both know there is a significant difference between the tribe of Dan (mentality and spiritual) and the other tribes.
I think Sky identifies all Hebrews with the rebellious, self-serving, idle worshiping Dan tribe. The carnal, demonic spiritual issues of Dan can be evident in any Hebrew and any Christian individual.
A Hebrew should aspire the qualifies and attributes of any tribe but the tribe of Dan.
Some folks take advantage of Dan issues, labeling all Hebrews as self-serving, money hungry.
As for me (not a member of any tribe) and Gentile grafted into the tree as a Christian – I’m no longer associated with the Evangelical Christian. An Evangelical label is akin to the Church of Sardis or Laodicea.
It is better to purse the qualities of the Church of Philadelphia.
Make sense?
DJ,
No! Really doesn’t make any sense to me, to disassociate ones self from Yisrael, based on what a pagan thinks! Everything Rav Shaul said in Romans was for a reason. We were never meant to be non descript believers, just getting through this in a manner that offends the least amount of people possible!
Al,
Okay, let me explain.
The tribe of Dan, which spiritually is not of God has influence today upon Hebrews (Judaism and the State of Israel) and directly through the Universal Church, directly upon Christianity (Evangelicals) and I think in the application/works of Gnostic sects and secret pagan societies.
Marianne, in her work on this page, has placed 666 in the court of Islam/Muslim. Okay, fine. Pin the tail on the donkey til it screams.
I propose the domain of 666 maybe shared between Ishmael, Dan and Gnostic sects.
I’m discussing the works of man (666) via false religion.
We’ve already established that “666” is embedded into US architecture (GW Monument and World Trade Center complex) thanks to Freemasonry and Gnostic sects (secret pagan societies).
The Beast (666) is represented in “the all seeing eye” of Horus, floating in the top of the pyramid (see the Great Seal of the US).
The above is an application of 666 within government, institutions and society, building up man to be god (rebellion, Genesis 3:5).
I’m proposing an exploration of Dan’s role and participation in the matrix known as “666” ~
Let’s begin where we are on this page (666 and Islam).
Islam/Muslim faith and tradition traces their heritage back to whom?
Ishmael
Who’s his dad?
Who’s his mom?
What does mom say about the outcome?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+16%3A1-5&version=ESV
Now, let’s review Dan’s dad/mom connection and the outcome.
What does mom say about the outcome?
“And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die. And Jacob’s anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, ‘Am I in God’s stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?’
And she said, ‘Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may also have children by her.’
And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her. And Bilhah conceived, and bare Jacob a son.
And Rachel said, ‘God hath judged me, and hath also heard my voice, and hath given me a son: therefore called she his name Dan’.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+30%3A1-6&version=ESV
The last lines of both passages deal with “judgment,” indicating that Ishmael and Dan are both participants by way of their Hebrew mom’s efforts to have a baby.
We all know about Ishmael (666). As a religion and culture – that one is easy.
What does the following tell us about Dan?
Dan – a Hebrew tribe that is NOT sealed (Revelation 7:5).
“Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, a horned snake in the path, that bites at the horse’s heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. I wait for thy salvation, O Lord” (Genesis 49:16-18).
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+49%3A1618&version=ESV
Dan shall be a serpent, literally? 🙂
How could Dan (snake) best perform his work in the most productive worldwide way? Ishmael has a bunch of people locked into the “666” religious dogma.
Where could this nasty snake (Dan) appear within Christendom?
“During the time of Christ and the early Church period there was a sizeable Jewish community in Rome, estimated at 40,000 Jews. Josephus mentioned a lawsuit that involved 8,000 Jews in Rome during the reign of Caesar Augustus (44 BC-14.AD), presumably adult men each with a family of at least four or five members. (Jewish Antiquities, Vol. II, p. 80) The number of Jews in Rome increased considerably after the mass deportation of captives from Jerusalem following its destruction in 70 A.D.
There was also a thriving Jewish community in the area which became the Vatican.
According to “The Vatican & Rome as elements of apocalyptic discourse”: “The origins of the ‘Cittá del Vaticano’ are as an unpleasant neighborhood outside the city walls populated by Jews and beginning in the first century by (Jewish) Christians and still later by the persecuted Gentile converts to the Christian sect.”
The Latin word “Vatican” means “divining serpent” (see Papal Crest Dragon):
“The word ‘Vatican’ literally means ‘Divining Serpent,’ and is derived from Vatis=Diviner and Can=Serpent.
DAN!! Unholy snake Batman!
Vatican City and St. Peter’s Basilica were built on the ancient pagan site called in Latin vaticanus mons or vaticanus collis, which means hill or mountain of prophecy.
Prophecy?
Unholy cow Batman!
This is the home of the False Prophet?!!
Coins minted in Vatican City often bear the inscription ‘CITTÁ DEL VATICANO’, which means City of Prophecy.” (The Wine of Babylon).”
http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html#judaizers
Oh my! What is this? Wine of Babylon?!
There’s going to be a total solar eclipse visible over St. Peter’s Basilica on Spring Equinox 2015. Wonder if this is a sign along with those Blood Moons on Hebrew Feasts days occurring in the same timeframe (2014-2015)?
Could the Synagogue of Satan be an occult power elite which, having rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel, conspire to substitute another messiah made in the image of their master, Satan, and to establish a world kingdom under Satan?
The Synagogue of Satan claims Jewish descent, but does not fit God’s definition of a Jew, either in the Old Testament or the New: “But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:29)
The Synagogue of Satan would have contempt, not only for Jesus Christ, His Church and the Gentile masses, but for the Jewish “Remnant” who are Torah-observant and anti-Zionist and are, therefore, awaiting the kingdom of Israel to be restored when the Messiah appears, and not before.
As well, the Synagogue of Satan would have conspired to eliminate all people, whether Jew or Gentile, who stand in the way of their world kingdom (NWO) – enter Freemasons and Gnostic sects (666).
To this end, could they have developed a staggering number of fronts, as well as the capacity to create blinds and diversions, to obscure the fact that they individuals that collectively hold an anti-Christ agenda?
Could these fronts include a global financial/currency/banking, military, political, communication/mass media systematic agenda (UN and other political/humanitarian forums).
Maybe down through the centuries, the Synagogue of Satan have, by means of false identities with organizations and via institutional means act as provocateurs to bring reproach upon Jesus Christ and His Church while advancing “666” and the coming NWO upon which the son of perdition is seated, ruling for a few days.
Scripture is clear that the plans of the Synagogue of Satan (666 – both within Ishmael and Dan) shall utterly fail, and that they will ultimately be destroyed.
* 666 is within Islam
* 666 is within a segment of government (tribe of Dan) within the State of Israel,
* 666 is within the Universal Church
* 666 is within Masonic lodges and highest degrees (say close to and including to 33) via Kabbalah and pagan Egyptian rites within Great Britain, US, Bavaria, France and other places of world influence.
* 666 is within the application/works of Gnostic and the Kabbalah
“The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.” (Zeph. 3:13; see also 2 Chron. 34:9, Isaiah 10:20, Jer. 6:9, 31:7, Ezek. 11:13).
The above passage also very similar to the description given to the 144,000 in Revelation 7. This “144,000 does not include Dan and certainly does not include Ishmael.
What do you think?
I’ve got more to share but this is enough for now.
Blessings
Psalm 27
dj
a jewish rabbi told me the romans were “esau”
this is what I found for the meaning of the vatican:
http://biblelight.net/vatican.htm
meaning come from a latin word
Marianne,
Yes – you found the answer.
Of course, I don’t want to make this page into a 666 frenzy.
From the link you found and applied above:
“Research the word Vatican in many Latin – English / English – Latin dictionaries, or encyclopedias, and you will likely find that Vatican City and St. Peter’s Basilica of the Roman Catholic Church were built upon what was called in Latin vaticanus mons or vaticanus collis.
The words mons and collis mean hill or mountain. You will also find in the dictionaries that the words vatic / vates / vatis all relate to prophecy…”
Again as was posted above (for those following this thread):
According to “The Vatican & Rome as elements of apocalyptic discourse”
“The origins of the ‘Cittá del Vaticano’ are as an unpleasant neighborhood outside the city walls populated by Jews and beginning in the first century by (Jewish) Christians and still later by the persecuted Gentile converts to the Christian sect.”
The Latin word “Vatican” means “divining serpent” (see Papal Crest Dragon):
“The word ‘Vatican’ literally means ‘Divining Serpent,’ and is derived from Vatis=Diviner and Can=Serpent.
Vatican City and St. Peter’s Basilica were built on the ancient pagan site called in Latin vaticanus mons or vaticanus collis, which means hill or mountain of prophecy.
Prophecy?
The Vatican is the location is the home of the False Prophet.
And we learn the following:
Coins minted in Vatican City often bear the inscription ‘CITTÁ DEL VATICANO’, which means City of Prophecy.” (The Wine of Babylon).”
http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html#judaizers
Oh my! What is this? “Wine of Babylon”!
There’s going to be a total solar eclipse visible over St. Peter’s Basilica on Spring Equinox 2015.
I think this information adds to the evidence – that the total solar eclipse visible over the Vatican along with those Blood Moons on Hebrew Feasts days occurring in the same timeframe (2014-2015) is very significant.
666 also applies to The Vatican.
Blessings
dj
I think you got hold of some incorrect info
for one thing vatican cannot BOTH mean divining serpent AND prophecy….
words mean what they mean
I took latin in high school and what you say does not match what is in my memory
go here:
https://translate.google.com/#la/en/vatis%20can
and you will see that
vatis ……can means bard ……..can
a bard is a poet
so I do not know where you are copying and pasting from, but they are wrong.
and also
city of prophecy does NOT = wine of babylon
in english or any other language
Vatican is prophecy.
Matteyahu/Matthew 16:18
🙂
Good catch Marianne,
You should do this type of research when it comes to niburu or the sex of Michele Obama.
And to DJ, no one at the Vatican will see a total solar eclipse. They WILL be able to see the sun in the sky while the eclipse happens elsewhere on the planet, but that is all.
Lets keep it real dude and stop stretching the truth to the breaking point.
James,
Who said the total solar eclipse was world wide? This is not a worldwide event.
You wrote what?! No one at the Vatican will see this total solar eclipse on Spring Equinox while the eclipse happens everywhere else? What?!
This total solar eclipse on Spring Equinox is visible over the Vatican not over your house. Bummer.
James, this total eclipse occurs on Spring Equinox over Europe. The False Prophet (Pope) and the false church headquarters (Universal Church) with their pagan obelisk sundial will be able to see.
Spin Jim, keep spinning.
Who pays you to work Heaven Awaits?
Blessings
Psalm 64
DJ,
Please show me an article (from a reputable source) that shows the path of totality crossing anywhere near Rome.
You are talking about a PARTIAL eclipse which is visible over a wider path than totality. The path of totality stays over the western Atlantic ocean, crossing no land masses, let alone central Europe.
Get your facts straight and stop stretching the truth to make it fit your theory.
It turns out the next TOTAL solar eclipse visible from Rome won’t be until 2136. See the following site:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEcirc/SEcircEU/RomeITA0.html
The last one was in 1333. I told you they were rare.
DJ,
I had planned on getting back with you quicker but didn’t know exactly how to approach this. You have put down a lot of information in your last post to me that has lead you to a specific understanding of what is coming and why it is coming. You have identified those whom you believe to be responsible for this, both historically and those currently alive. I know it all seems to fit together seamlessly, without any flaws or any other explanations needed.
If I might, allow me to offer another avenue to pursue, in finding a different perspective about America, why it has happened this way, and a different understanding of what it all means. For me it is not as cut and dried, concerning the conclusions you have given with the information you have provided.
You cannot think as a Greek gentile with linear thinking! The Word is based on cycles and patterns, which is why Hebraic thinking is cyclical in nature, not linear.
New International Version
Isaiah 46:10
‘I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’
What is coming, is what has already been! In a general sense, and even to a certain specificity, to understand what is coming to America (and by extension the world), one needs to understand the story of Joseph (son of Jacob). Contained in the life of Joseph is the key to understanding the PERTINENT information that is chaotically swirling around on the internet , since that is our primary source of information now. The story of America started well before those, who are considered to be the founding fathers, came to the New World.
I am not here to convince you of anything or to even necessarily change your mind. Just to offer a different scriptural foundation to approach the information you have already gathered and that which you have not even started looking into, for the purpose of giving you a different perspective from the one you already have, allowing you to see things in a somewhat different light.
Shalom
Skyf…k33! Never mention 1967 again. First of all before talking about “settlements” muslims must leave back eastern Cyprus to the Christians. Before that we will never discuss satan/palestinian issue. The holy land Yisroel is smart but we can not have peace with the devil because in the devils faith it is written to erase Jews from the arab penunsila. Yisroel is smart but the devil USA/islam forces us to defend us against you. Usa makes muslims hate “Christians”. And muslims are already hateful.
Again we love the Bible and the Bible says Yisroels neighbours will be erased in future and we love prophecies in the Bible. When you paste urls about peace then you are on the wrong blog. We love the Bible not a crazy journalist.
Leave back occupied Cyprus before opening your mouth. Otherwise we will look you up and finish you from this planet. You crazysatanist.
Old school patriot.
Yisroel
otherwise what ? 🙂
seems like Hitler was a boyscout compare to you ! You are giving lessons of Nazism to all the planet.
God has lots of humour (look at the pseudo you gave to yourself :)))
When you are smart enough you do not need walls 🙂
When you are smart you are happy with life and you thank God, because He is the Smartest anyway, and you just reflects a tiny part of Him.
Instead of pretending, shut up and BE smart.
Thanks and Shalom
PS : I already said that but it seems your brain is damaged : if you truly believe that the Bible says the neighbours of Israel will be erased, let the Bible and God proceed with the Prophecy and ask the Israelian army to leave the Palestinian alone, as otherwise nobody will believe the Bible Prophecy was right, instead we will say “it is the bad Israeli people that erased their neighbours” ! not the Bible. (if you do not get that point show us a verse of the Bible that says “Israeli people has to erase by himself its neighbours”)
Are you clever enough to understand that ?
You satanist/muslims says the Bible is holy and if you read Ezekiel 38-39 then you will understand that the neighbours will be erased with fire and brimstones etc. The satanist animals palestinans shoots missiles everyday on Yisroel, and you say Yisroel shall leave the satanist alone. We saw what happened last summer. 2600 satanist killed 66 people from Yisroel. Were was your pedophile with the help????
Yisroel patriot!
sky
the bible predicts that all the surrounding nations, which are muslim now, along with possibly russian help, will attack Israel, after it returns to the land.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+14
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+38
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+39
it does not say Israel will attack.
it says the nations will attack, and God calls them “heathens” (zechariah 14:18)(ezechiel 39:21)
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it is the Lord God who comes to rescue Israel, not the USA or any other country, or even Israel itself. the attack is too huge, and only God himself will be able to stop the attack and destroy the invaders.
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God allows the attack to wake up Israel for their transgressions, but in the long run, the heathen are destroyed and fed to the birds of prey (ezechiel 39: 17-19)
Israel will repent, but the heathen in the surrounding nations will not repent, so they are destroyed by God.
Skydarkness33
Are you smart enough to understand that NT tells us that Christianity shall be spread all over the World Before something religious will happen from G-d. Mu said Christianity failed so we needed a new religion. America was found 1000 years later that MU and Australia later and so on. If you have a brain then you will understand that Mu was just a amoeba that listened to satan and he thought that it was Gavriel.
Islam is just crap and for stupid people. How many muslims have won the Nobel price in physics?????
America, do not worry! Yisroel is behind you!
ASS, it is a pity that you don’t know yet that nobel prizes are just intended for liars that cons naive people like you.
If we were to judge by the number of nobelized jews, that would mean jews are ~200 times more intelligent than other human beings.
How pathetic. How does it comes now that these so-called geniuses are not yet able to get rid of the so-called stupid people that live just a few miles away from their homes ?!!!… How strange 🙂
Marianne, if you don’t believe me, you may listen to your own people :
Here is where we are now :
http://ilmanifesto.info/i-documenti-segreti-del-ruolo-americano-nella-guerra-disraele/
(I let you translate it)
Wake up ! (it is with your own money that they are putting that mess all around !) 🙂
Go walk around a black stone you stone diggers. When we develop the world. 7 million citiesens defends the country against milliard muslims/Satanists around them and even give jobs to the enemy and support gaza with water and electricity.
You muslims are stupid satanists and your time has come. First time with water and second time with fire and brimstones etc.
PS. Muhammed said Christianity failed so we needed a new religion. NT says Christianity must be spread all over the world before something happens. Guess what? America and Australia was found 1000 years later after Muhammed not before so Muhammed did not know what he was talking about and he said the Bible is holy. Intelligence was not his strength. He would not win Nobel price but he would fit very good to walk around a black stone.
Understand a simple thing folks. Muhammed and Martin Luther is satans messengers.
ASS, what you do not understand is that I personally have nothing against Judaism, nothing against Christianity and nothing against Islam. I respect ALL believers in God, including you.
The only thing I do NOT respect is zionism, which is NOT a religion, it is supposedly based on a religion and true believers in Judaism reject zionism because God scatter Jews among the nations by curse (Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc.)
Ezekiel 36:19
And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Do I have to remind all that to you ?
Genesis 10 about Babylon, Leviticus 26:33, Jeremiah 9:16, Ezekiel 22:15, Deuteronomy 4:27, etc. etc. etc.
Let God himself gather Jews when and where He wants them to be gathered. And leave in Peace 🙂 That’s just so simple. Forget supporting Palestinians with water & electricity : come back to UN borders instead, leave them alone, and live in peace with the entire world. Then God will give you what you want so much.
if you went back to original UN borders, there would be less security than there is now. the original borders were drawn based on demographics, which were not computed correctly. It also isolated jews in jerusalem who were surrounded by hostile arabs.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/partition_plan.html
this was not working….and maybe the arabs liked the deal, since they got 80% of the land, but it was unfair to the jews.
and why was MAN making decisions about God’s property?
even with arabs getting 80% of the land, they attacked ISrael in 1948 to wipe it off the map, but they failed.
Israel won, with God’s help.
Relations between Israel and its neighbours had never fully normalized following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and in the period leading up to June 1967 tensions became dangerously heightened.
so there was another war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Israel fought alone against 14 different arab states , and won again, with God’s help.
again, as in all wars, the land goes to the victor.
so then the map looked like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War#mediaviewer/File:Six_Day_War_Territories.svg
this land was won with God’s help, and jerusalem was won back for ISrael.
the UN is stupid and biased, and full of arabs, who vote against ISrael…this is racism, and they will never approve of ISrael having secure borders.
the arabs should leave ISrael alone….Israel belongs to God, not the arabs
the bible predicts that the arabs will AGAIN attack ISrael, and they will loose again, because arabs are not learning their lesson. the next time, God will get involved and any arab involved in the attack will be destroyed.
if arabs leave Israel alone, there will be peace with God
as long as they attack Israel, they will be cursed by God and finally destroyed
Skydarkness33
First of all. Yisroel belonged to great britain before 1948 and not to palestinkians. 1948 GB gave the country to Jews/hebrews. Then satans people started war against Yisroel. NOT THE OPPOSSITE. NOT THE OPPOSSITE. YISROEL DID NOT WANTED WAR. did you realy think we would give back soil from a war you started. You satanist started war in Cyprus and we Christians want the soil back without war but you satans people never discuss this. You only talk about the hole country Yisroel so you can say the Bible is not true. YERUSHALAYIM is mentioned 766 times in the Bible and in the end times we will return to our land (1948) and stay there forever according to the Bible. Our city is not mentioned once in satans quran. Leave us and our city alone. Go and make a pilgrimage to the black stone you belong to. Zionism is in line with the Bible. The Bible says we will return and then the neighbours countries will be destroyed by father G-d and then we will leave in peace forever. You I slam people are living there as guests because Jews have not obeyed the law as father G-d requires.
I suggest you read Amos 1 and Zephaniah 2 and if you are honest against this chapters then you will realise father G-d hates palestinkians.
I am Zionist, Patriot, Bible lover, quran hater, Muhammed hater.
for you Marianne :
sick today..not responding
link says video does not exist
I hope it is not too serious. Take good care, have a big sleep and come back soon. Kind regs 🙂
The inconveninent truth about Nobel Prize :
sorry, that’s in french only (seems that it is forbidden to produce that in english…)
busted ! once again…
ASS, Marianne is sick today, so here is a doc for you, here is what a Nobel prize says about AIDS :
(and I guess nobody cares about what he says… as he is obviously not Jewish)
PS : why did you change your name ? “ASS” fits you very well, do you think you really need to mimic all Israelian prime ministers ?
(go to 8:14)
I changed my name because I do not want to be associated with satan (HamAss) and I understand muslims do not understand languages. Assertio Septem Sacramentorum is latin and translated to english it is defender of the seven sacraments. Christianity is based on seven sacraments. Baptism is one of the sacraments in NT and you discusting muslims says the Bible is holy and you do not baptise???? You say Yehoshua is a prophet and at the same time a liar. Go f..k yourselfs.
I slam is a joke and for people without brains!
without brain ?!!! It seems you perfectly fits that condition 🙂 You are probably muslim, without knowing it !
Sk33 or whatever,
This is what is coming and actually is in the process of happening now:
Joel 3{1-2
For behold, in those days and at that time when I shall reverse the captivity and restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all nations and will bring them down into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and there will I deal with and execute judgment upon them for [their treatment of] My people and of My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and [because] they have divided My land.
Zecheriah 12:6
6 In that day will I make the chiefs of Judah like a big, blazing pot among [sticks of] wood and like a flaming torch among sheaves [of grain], and they shall devour all the peoples round about, on the right hand and on the left; and they of Jerusalem shall yet again dwell and sit securely in their own place, in Jerusalem.
Look up the original boundaries given to Yisrael by YHWH, in the Tanakh! You will find that those boundaries have never been fully realized. Eretz Yisrael will, in time, become much larger than they actually are now. By the words of Joel, you will be in line for judgment for advocating the dividing of YHWH’s land. You won’t be able, at that point, to find a rock big enough to hide under! You really need to wise up!
You probably think all of this means nothing. How crazy that little Yisrael, with basically most of the world against them, is still there. Yet it all has happened as it has been written. The question you need to be asking yourself, will the scriptures referring to those who try and divide the land of Yisrael still come to pass??? The problem for you is, there isn’t a hole deep enough to hide in. But that’s your choice!
Hi DJ,
Thanks for your comment. I was awaiting that since a long time.
This is EXACTLY the mistake that most of the people do, because this is what “they” want you to believe. You – and many of us – are manipulated by magicians (i.e. people that have a bigger knowledge than us) and let us believe in the picture they just put in front our eyes. It is a picture repeated so many times that we believe in it. It is just a picture.
The part of the prophecy which is actually happening is just these “anti-semitic” verses of the Bible, the ones you don’t care about, because they are not easy to ear.
You have no idea what Israel really is. You have no idea who are people that drive you by your nose, because if you would truly know their deep motives you would not support anymore their plans. These people do not live in Israel today, and will never live in Israel (the “israel” you know about).
Be curious, try to see behind the curtain. Don’t read litteraly the Bible and dare to go beyond. You will see that none of these predictions are realized because the required pre-requisits are not fullfilled at all.
The power, the energy, required to get that picture alive, is just the proof all this is pure propaganda and that there is actually nothing strong behind. Physical force & power are NEVER a solution. Neither are deception. GOD IS TRUTH (how can you imagine one second you will succeed in anyting with lies ?!)
The day will come where Israel, the true Eretz Israel, will be raised and fully setup, that’s right, BUT it is NOT what we are presently watching. NOT AT ALL
What I am seeing today is just the erection of a new wave that will wipe out everything behind. Just the very same as WWI and WWII.
You believe i’m jealous and that i’m afraid of the rising power of Israel.
Not at all, i don’t give a sheet. It is just that i know there will be a big one, and most of the present believers in “the israelian mirage” will not survive it. Take this as a gentle reminder. I know very well that only very very few people will ear what i’m saying. I don’t care. I just have to say it.
As long as you do not know to whom Bibi, Obama and all other Presidents are accounting to, you know nothing of what is going on presently.
NOBODY IS STRONGER THAN GOD
LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO WHAT HE SAYS (and don’t listen to the people who JUST PRETEND to know what he says). CHECK BY YOURSELF
ALL HUMAN BEING HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL.
ONLY OBLIGATIONS TO GOD (everything else is magic and deception)
If you want Israel to come, just behave as God asks you. That’s all. Only then you will know what is Israel.
Take good care and Shalom
sky
True Israel is here…and God is protecting it
you are believing all the “zionist conspiracy theory” propaganda jew haters are writing.
take a trip to ISrael and find out the truth…that these are real Jews and this is real Israel
Tanks, bombs, violence and deception (i.e. worldwide propaganda) ONLY are “protecting” present Israel. God is far away, he does not need tanks to protect anyone, you know that very well 🙂
god has miraculously preserved Israel through many wars….how else could you explain its survival after being attacked, alone, by multiple arab nations?
there are stories of miracles in these wars….where even the arabs admit that god was doing something.
in a recent palestian paper, the arabs complained that their missiles against Israel were being defeated by GOd
http://www.inquisitr.com/1364461/israel-miracle-gaza-strip-hamas-complain-their-god-changes-the-paths-of-our-rockets-in-mid-air/
Sky33
Muslims are so disgusting people. Either they are fanatic muslims or they stay away from religion. They never seek G-d (Judaism or Christianity). Al gave you prophecy and you say do not listen to that or you do not understand the chapter. Guess what. We have a brain. We understand that G-d would not choose a pedophile, necrophile and a liar on earth. It is so easy to understand. Al understands Joel and you do not. Stone diggers do not have a brain.
in the book of Daniel it says the Hebrews will come back to our land and he calls us the holy people because our ancestor father Yaakov Yisroel is concieved by holy ghost. Then the people is holy. Ismaels and Esaus Children are not holy because they are not concieved with holy ghost. It is so simple to understand but muslims do not becuase you are brain washed. You do not learn the Bible in school only to eredict Yisroel from the map so you can go out and say the Bible was not true.
I slam = satans work
I have never said the Bible says wrong. I DO believe it says 100% Truth.
Try first to understand one word of it.
READ ! (this was also the first revealed word to Muhamad, funny huh ?)
sky
muhammed never read bible..
I have read bible for 40 years
I know it well.
Muhammad never red the Bible, for sure as he was illiterate, but he knew it by heart. You & I need to read it. Funny also 🙂
he did not know it by heart.
that is a stupid thing to say
s33,
You have no clue who you are talking to and you expect anyone to take you seriously? Nothing in scripture ever happened, it is all just a nice little story to pacify everyone. Yisrael is really not Yisrael, they are only usurpers having taken the land away from “true” Yisrael, the Muslims, and the world is helpless to stop them? This is what you want everyone to believe? No one here believes any of your trash talk. So all we have to do is give everybody a hug and become Muslim (or whatever) or die? No thanks! You are the one wrapped in fairy tales, and that of your own choice, so wear it and own it! We believe in the Word of Yah! It is historical, spiritual, prophetic, and relevant for all peoples. Either get some understanding or go peddle your trash to the ones you gravitate towards. You sound like a brainwashed college student from some liberal university, desperately seeking a platform to spew your nonsense from.
blah blah blah
you just speak but you bring no facts against my points 🙂
welcome in the real world (and forget your dreams)
“we believe in the Bible” how stupid you are to pretend that 🙂
explain to me why Noah lived for 950 years. I AM WAITING YOUR EXPLAINATIONS 🙂
why do you doubt what God does?
adam lived to be close to 1000 years old
the world was different then
people lived a long time before the flood
PS : have you never noticed that zionists “jews” are often pure white people, even sometimes with blue eyes, whose ancestry could NEVER come from the present or so-called Israel ?! Don’t you find that suspicious ? This is one of the numerous very basic points that do not fit the overall picture.
Check : ALL Israeli Prime Ministers came from Western world, whereas according tradition Jews were supposed to come from immigration, i.e. from everywhere in the world (as per Bible scattering among nation curse), so they should be equally distributed according immigration fluxes.
Why did they ALL need to change their names ? Are they so upset or ashamed with their origins ? Why ?! If what you say is true(i.e. the Bible prophecy is under progress) why do they need to hide ?
Albert EINSTEIN did not need to change his name. He denounced zionism, why ?
etc. etc.
All this shows that the whole story is pure deception.
Remember : before thinking you understand anything in the Bible, first explain to yourself how Noah lived for 950 years. Once you’ve got the explanation we can discuss further, no problem 🙂
Whats the problem with changing name. I found out when I grew up that I have Hebrew blod and changed my name and I have blue eyes and I har light hair as a child. Whats your problem, Stupido???
well, you know what ? if you look well and far enough, you will understand we are all cousins on earth.
All present Palestinians have 99.9% chances to have hebrew blood also as you do and as I do. Much more chances anyway than pretended Jews nowadays in Israel (only 15 to 20% only because Ashkenazi Jews come from Eastern Europe that mixed far later with western and south Europe…) How funny…
hebrews are a very small group of people….
palestinians are NOT hebrews….they are descendants of ancient canaanites.
33,
There is a reason things are the way they are in the world. It was foretold to be this way in scripture.
Isaiah 46:10 (CJB)
10 At the beginning I announce the end,
proclaim in advance things not yet done;
and I say that my plan will hold,
I will do everything I please to do.
In the beginning (Bereshith-Genesis) Yah clearly defined who His chosen people were and who weren’t. But it was always there for those not chosen, to become a part of His chosen people as if by birthright, if they so chose to do so!
We see it clearly in:
Cain and Abel
Abraham
Isaac and Ishmael
Jacob (Yisrael) and Esau
The conflict we see in the beginning is the exact same conflict we see in the end-The envy and jealousy of Esau for Yisrael. It started in the Garden with Cain and Abel and has continued on to this day. If you can’t or won’t see it, you are willfully blind and no one can help you with that. Yah has made a way for ALL to come to Him and be a part of Yah’s Yisrael, but that is by a person’s choice. You have no one but yourself to blame for your ignorance of things.
One last thing-your ruse over the age of Noah is laughable. You and those like minded have always tried to discredit scripture. The proverb is truly representative of your understanding:
you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel! How fitting!!!
Get some wisdom or fail in your life!
Shalom
amen
you should also add that : http://sdabol.org/11thhour.html
and that : http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2012/danielm531.htm
Marianne, you forget the second part of the John statement : “this is the intelligence (or the “wiseness” which is the uppermost level of intelligence) to calculate that number”
78 which is the value of winseness in Gematria = 39 + 39
39 x 39 = 1521
(Corinthians 2, chapt. 11, verse 34 : “Five times the Jews gave me forty blows but one”)
from there :
(15 x 15) + (21 x 21) = 666
and
15 + 21 = 36
we already saw earlier that 36 = 6 * 6 is the secret number of 666 :
1 + 2 + 3 + … + 35 + 36 = 666
(and 3 + 6 = 9 and 3 * 6 = 18, 1 + 8 = 9)
NB : 36 is mensionned only twice in the Bible : Joshua 7/5 and Chronicles 16/1 whereas Satan and Beast are mentionned 36 times
you can note also that :
1 / 15 = 0.0666 666 666 . . .
and
476 + 190 = 666
We come back to 15 and 21 :
15/21 = 0.714 285 714 285 . . .
714 + 285 = 999
We come back to 39 which was at the beginning of the analysis :
1 / 39 = 0.0256 410 256 410 . . .
256 + 410 = 666
1/66 = 0.0151 515 151 515 . . .
151 + 515 = 666
(and mathematicians will recall 151 is a prime, followed by another 153 which plays an important role in the Gospels with the 153 fishes)
“So Simon Peter went aboard and hauled the net ashore, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.” (John 21:11)
NB : the “net”…
1/81 = 0.0 123 456 79 0 123 456 79 0 . . .
(note the 8 is “missing” as actually it is to be shown :
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 [10] …
but the 1 of the 10 shift to the left and adds up to the 9 making it 10, the zero remains and the one shifts again adding up to the 8 making it 9
so :
123 + 456 + 79 = 658 + 8 = 666
666 = (3 x 37 x 3) + (3 x 37 x 3)
666 = 2 x 32 x 37
666 = 18 x 37
666 = (6 + 6 + 6) x 37
6 x 37 x 3003003 = 666 666 666
666 ÷ 6x6x6 = 64676 ÷ 6x46x76 = 3.08 333 333 333 …
p(666) = 11956824258286445517629485
p(666) = 5 x 11 x 709 x 306624548231476997503
11 + 95 + 68 + 24 + 25 + 82 + 86 + 44 + 55 + 176 = 666
“magic” numbers in nuclear physics are :
2 – 8 – 20 – 28 – 50 – 82 – 126
their mirror numbers are :
2 – 8 – 02 – 82 – 05 – 28 – 621
2 + 8 + 02 + 05 + 28 + 621 = 666
Why 7 is so important :
1/7 = 0.142 857 142 857 . . .
142 + 857 = 999
Why 11 is so important :
1/11 = 0.090 909 090 909 . . .
090 + 909 = 999
and 13 (12 apostels + Jesus) :
1/13 = 0.0769 230 769 239 . . .
769 + 230 = 999
now
cos 666 = 0.999 (where 666 is measured in radians, the rays of light)
cos 0.666 = 0.999 (0.666 is measured in degrees : remember 360° makes the circle and 36 is the secret number of 666)
OTHER interesting sums :
(2 x 2) + (3 x 3) + (5 x 5) + (7 x 7) + (11 x 11)
+ (13 x 13) + (17 x 17) = 666
(4 x 4) + (6 x 6) + (8 x 8) + (9 x 9) + (10 x 10)
+ (12 x 12) + (15 x 15) = 666
(1 x 1) + (14 x 14) + (16 x 16) + (18 x 18) = 777
and :
666 / 777 = 0.857142857142 . . . .
857 + 142 = 999
(1 x 1 x 1) + (2 x 2 x 2) + (3 x 3 x 3) + (4 x 4 x 4)
+ (5 x 5 x 5) + (6 x 6 x 6) + (5 x 5 x 5)
+ (4 x 4 x 4) + (3 x 3 x 3) + (2 x 2 x 2) + (1 x 1 x 1) = 666
666 + 666 + 666 = 1998
and
666 x 666 x 666 x 666 = 196,741,925,136
196 + 741 + 925 + 136 = 1998
666 x 666 x 666 x 666 x 666 x 666 = 87,266,061,345,623,616
87 + 266 + 061 + 345 + 623 + 616 = 1998
666 x 666 x 666 x 666 x 666 x 666 x 666 = 58,119,196,856,185,328,256.
58 + 119 + 196 + 856 + 185 + 328 + 256 = 1998
e = 2.718281828 . . . .
718 + 281 = 999
2 x (718 + 281) = 2 x 999 = 1998
pi = 3.1415926536 . . . .
14 + 15 + 92 + 65 + 36 = 222
3 x (14 + 15 + 92 + 65 + 36) = 666
Fourth root of pi = 1.331 335 . . . .
331 + 335 = 666
cube root of pi = 1.464 591 887 56 . . .
464 + 591 + 887 + 56 = 1998
WWW = 666
$ = 36 in ASCII code
All barcodes contains some checking lines before, in the middle and in the end, each of them is a long double-line wich weights 6 : so they all contain a hidden 666 inside
HOLYBIBLE = 666 (still in ASCII)
Al Gore = 97 + 108 + 32 + 103 + 111 + 114 + 101 = 666 (with 32 = space)
etc.
God is not really interested in gematria…or the magic of numbers
if he wants a number to be significant, he just mentions it.
there is a geometry to life, and there is order in creation.
Marianne,
God includes numbers as another form of parable.
3
7
12
33
40
70
72
120
153
666
144,000
This is a partial list. You may know of a few more.
I don’t worship numbers but look for the meaning of the numerical parable (hidden meaning). So do you.
http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/153.html
Blessings
Psalm 37
sky
what matters most is truth.
and I do care about you.
it is a privilege for me that you come here…it shows you have desire for god.
I want to share this with you:
http://www.charismanews.com/world/47924-watch-thousands-of-middle-east-muslims-accepting-christ
Marianne,
Yes Truth is the most important, I agree 100% with you on that.
There is something else you may not totally understand about me :
let assume you are muslims background, I would then probably reproach to you that you do not understand the Quran because alcohol is NOT prohibited in the Quran for example. Do you understand what I mean ?
My point is that I wish to elevate the debate, to go towards more knowledge and more understanding. I really don’t care about religions themselves as everyone is on a true path but anyone is also missing a lot of the Truth at the same time. Here, on your blog, I am promoting Islam because most of the participants denies most of interesting points that Islam can bring to everyone. My aim is NOT proselytism for a “religion”, it is proselytism for the quest of knowledge, you could say “Truth” in summary.
What many of you do not understand is that religion is just a path, each of them is different, but each of them goes to the very same Truth, so exactly to the same point.
When someone closes the debates stating “here is the Truth ! any other point of view is wrong” you can be almost sure you miss 99% of the Truth at the end of the day. Even EINSTEIN himself made a terrible mistake about Quantum theory. When you have too much of certitude you are lacking some freedom axis that can help to understand in 3D.
For example, if I tell you that I know a circle which is a square at the same time, you will hardly understand what I mean. If I explain to you that I’m speaking of a cylinder, like a sausage, from one side it looks like a circle, and if you rotate it by 90° you will see it as a rectangle, so the cylinder is a circle AND a square at the same time.
Same for religions : if you look at them in 2D, you will see complete different pictures that cannot match on no points. But if you can “see” in 3D you will understand it is EXACTLY same path to the very same point of knowledge.
Take care 🙂
I am still sick
truth here = truth of God, not man
so man’s opinion does not count
Marianne,
We are the vehicles,
Religions are roads (paths)
If you are a 4×4, you would prefer a straight but short path at high angle, so that you can reach quickly the top of the mountain at low speed.
If you are a Formula 1, you would rather prefer a long but smooth road, even if it is very long as it rotates with a low angle all around the mountain because you can travel at high speed anyway to reach its top.
No religion is better : both vehicles will arrive at the same time, and will reach the very same truth. The good is to match the correct person with the correct religion, that’s all.
“All religions proceed from the same God. I do not share the belief that there can or will be on earth one religion. In reality there are as many religions as there are individuals. Religions are not for separating men from one another. They are meant to bind them. Real religion transcends Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. It does not supersede them. It harmonizes them and gives them reality. Religions are different roads converging to the same point. If a man reaches the heart of his own religion, he has reached the heart of the others too.” Mahatma GANDHI
sorry, but Jesus Christ is Lord, not Mahatma Ghandi
and Ghandi did not die for my sins, so I could receive the forgiveness of God
Sky33
You are mocking the Bible when you say that all religion comes from G-d. Yehoshua says son of G-d and satan plants religion on earth. If you do not believe in this then you do not believe in what satans messenger Muhammed said that the Bible is holy. And guess what. Son of G-d has planted Judaism and Christianity. It is easy to understand that the other religions comes from satan.
I slam is slam.
you can agree or disagree with Gandhi. There is a fact he left to us all, as heritage :
Without money, with Peace as unique weapon, he had been stronger than powerful nations with armies, tanks, bombs, lies & deception…
yes, he had been assassinated, but who remembers the name of its murderer ?…
all relgions are not the same
sky
you should be in bed 🙂
there is only one WAY (road) to the FATHER GOD, and his name is Jesus.
Matthew 7:13-14King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
–
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most roads will take you nowhere except hell
Sky33
I slam people look in 0D and we Ortodox Christians in 9D.
your mistake is to believe that God is perfect and the world would not be perfect.
Meditate that quote :
“Perhaps LOVE is the process of my gently leading you back to yourself”
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (best-seller 2nd worldwide after the Bible ;))
PS : note that I am truly happy for all those muslims converting to Christianity, the most important is that it helps them to walk on the path towards knowledge and truth, if it is the case this is GREAT.
A religion is not better than an other, everything depends on us : if your state of mind is making you understand better the Word of Jesus, then no doubt Christianity is made for you and represent the truth. If you prefer to read the Thora instead then Judaism is made for you, etc.
I will copy here a poem made by a Turkish Sufi that will show you what is the deep essence of ALL religion :
I am the mirror of the world
Since I am a man
The ocean where truth takes shape
Since I am a man
I can write the Torah I can reel off Gospel
Unlocking the Mysteries of the Qur’an
Since I am a man.
Daimi
Sky,
I think your head just blew a fuse.
Seriously, your recent reply is overwhelming numerology which seems to be filled with confusion and borders on mocking.
Blessings
Psalm 64
dj
ironic that you comment on this, when you do the same thing with 666
Marianne,
You are so funny in a Marianne way.
Did you know that the occult, demonic forces that operate gambling, gave a sign?
The pick 3 numbers in the Illinois state lottery (Barry’s political home state) the day after his election (Wednesday’s pick), November 5, 2008 were revealing in a demonic way. They like to show off.
The pick three number was 666.
There is also a pick 3 with bonus number (a four number lottery game) on the same Wednesdays.
The pick 4 number after Barry’s election (November 5, 2008) in his political home state of Illinois was 777 and 9.
Please, up these numbers and confirm.
7 is complete
9 is judgment
Any questions or need any additional signs?
The enemy and the Lord are giving them.
God bless you.
dj
well 🙂
I am glad you find me funny
I guess i can go look in the mirror and get a good laugh
as long as you enjoy yourself discussing your views, I am happy too.
Marianne,
You can be very funny.
I guess you don’t have a comment on the demonic lottery numbers (666 and 777 – 9), leaving me to enjoy discussing my views with myself.
Thanks! 🙂
what about this? she is innocent
and this
Marianne,
The evidence of 666 is within our culture. I’m pointing out the obvious that is hidden in plain sight, which a fee others become aware, one way or another.
Where is “me again”?
Marianne,
Oh, but you didn’t comment on the lottery numbers (666 and 777 – 9 from the enemy) or the numbers with Scriptures that are a form of parable, leaving me to discuss my views by myself. 🙂
Seems 666 and the coming judgment applies to Barry.
What do think?
BTW – Did “me again” leave HA?
I see a lot of numerology here but no bible verses.
DJ and Sky are two peas in a pod when it comes to using numerology.
But you must think of things logically. (Oh no, not that again!)
First, the whole Walid idea (including this very topic) that the greek letters are supposed to be interpreted as Arabic symbols is ridiculous. Only greek Muslims would understand it and they don’t read the bible or the Book of Revelation and they don’t believe anything in them is true anyway, so why would God do such a stupid thing?
As for all the complex numerology of sky, the bible was not written so that it could only be understood by mathematicians, so any interpretation that is that complex and confusing cannot be from God.
And DJ would have every Christian on earth measuring every building and structure on earth to see if the numbers 666 or even 6666 can be found somewhere within their dimensions. In inches, feet, yards, miles, mm, cm, km, and maybe even light years. Oh, lets not forget cubits.
How did poor John make all these calculations from his vision? Such a complicated sight would have made his head explode!
And now we have to check lottery numbers? What about the Irish sweepstakes? Are Europeans supposed to follow US lotteries in order to understand God’s words?
Geez Louise, this stuff has gotten completely out of hand! This crap is pure Sci-fi and belongs in comic books, not the bible. The bible deals in simple concepts – good and evil – those who keep His laws and those who break them. And He always deals with His own people – first Jews and now Christians. He did not write the bible for Muslims to study so they might turn away from their transgressions. They will be dealt with in the millennium as will Hindus and Buddhists. If they attack the nation of Israel He will defeat them but He will not murder them for simply having the wrong faith.
So as much as many Christians would love to have the end-time wrath of God directed at Islam, He will instead be punishing His own people for being disobedient, just as He has done many times in the past.
Sorry but us Christians aren’t going to get a free pass.
one way or the other, there IS a number….
“And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”
rev 13:17
Of course there is a number but it is a simple number to count, without all the mathematical gymnastics just described or the conversion of symbols that John had no knowledge of when he was in the vision.
The mark is Sunday worship – a sin, defiance of the 4th commandment. The work of the Vatican beast, led by the False Prophet whose number (in latin) adds to 666.
You close your business on Sunday or lose your license to buy and sell altogether – already on the books in France – rest of the European Union to soon follow.
There you go… plain and simple. Break God’s law and you suffer the plagues.
It‘s happened before and will happen again,,, soon.
Jim
You say:
He will defeat them but He will not murder them for simply having the wrong faith.
I say, read:
Bamidbar 24:17-19
Yeshayahu 14-19, 34
Yechezkel 25-29, 38-39
Yoel 3:19
Amos 1-2
Ovadiah 1:10, 18
Michah 1:6, 5:2
Tzefaniah 2:4
Zechariah 9:4,10 10:11
Malachi 1:4
This chapters says G-d will destroy them with pestilence and blood etc= Kill them.
You say:
The mark is Sunday worship – a sin, defiance of the 4th commandment. The work of the Vatican beast, led by the False Prophet
I say:
Yehoshua resurected on a sunday. Resurection is important in Christianity. Yehoshua could not be risen on saturday since it is Shabbat. You talk against Christianity and people with evil spirits in them use to that so be careful.
To be a false prophet you need to say that something shall happen in future in it does not. The Pope has not said so. People with evil spirits in them use to talk bad words against the Pope so be carefull.
You say:
You close your business on Sunday or lose your license to buy and sell altogether – already on the books in France – rest of the European Union to soon follow.
I say:
Rev. says not only on Sundays. Rev says 7 Days a week. 24 hours everyday.
You say:
Break God’s law and you suffer the plagues.
I say:
You protestants/satanists say you are free from sin and you can not be judged. At the same time you say this.
Solution:
You are wrong. And your faith is false. And you have done one horrible and terrific misstake and left G-d (Catholic) and turned to satan.
Can you answer me a question. If you are free from sin and can not be judged. And if you do not care about what NT says about being judged when we die. Why do you say in your church when you marry someone that you shall be faithful to your wife/husbund the rest of your life as an oath?????
Vatican:
Mattiyahu 16:18
Jim and Marianne,
I was expecting you James.
Where’s “me again”?
Here is 666, an application as the number of man, created on the 6th day. But, who’s counting anyway.
“The enormous usefulness of mathematics in the natural sciences is something bordering on the mysterious and…there is no rational explanation for it.” -Eugene Wigner, nobel laureate
“How can it be that mathematics, being after all a product of human thought which is independent of experience, is so admirably appropriate to the objects of reality?” -Albert Einstein
Here, look!
As for lottery and the pick 3 numbers the day after Barry’s election (selection) as President (those numbers were 666), consider this –
“The sum of the numbers 1 through 36 is…wait for it…666.
The highest number on a roulette wheel is 36. This gives new meaning to gambling when you understand the numerology doesn’t it?”
Next:
“In Babylonian sexagesimal (base 60) 111 = 666 in base 10.”
Check this out Jim.
“So www is equivalent to 666 in terms of gematria and position within the Hebrew alphabet. Makes you think twice about http://www.domain.com.”
“Speaking of computation, the original Apple-1 computer sold for a very interesting price: $666.66
Steve Wozniak (co-founder of Apple) is said to have chosen the price $666 and Jobs appended 66 cents to the total making it the digits entirely repetitive.
Both have denied any significance to the price however…Steve Wozniak is a sworn member of the Scottish Rite freemasons. Wozniak describes his impetus for joining the Freemasons as being able to spend more time with his wife at the time, Alice. Alice belonged to the Order of the Eastern Star.”
Freemasons are so cleaver about numbers. 666 is built into the design of the pagan obelisk, honoring their founding father – man/god George.
It’s even in da Pope.
“In the Donation, the Pope is referred to as VICARIVS FILII DEI meaning “substitute in the place of the son, God” [or sun-god more likely].
The phrase VICARIVS FILII DEI adds up to 666 if you drop its non-numerical letters F-A-R-S-E (112+53+501= 666).”
“Carbon-12 is one of the most plentiful elements in the universe. It has 6 electrons, 6 protons, and 6 neutrons (6-6-6).”
Carbon-12 is essential to life and man.
Get it?
Of course you do. 🙂
666 is the number of man, created on the 6th day.
666 seems to be about the rebellion of man through the work of Satan.
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/13/666
Blessings
Psalm 64
DJ,
So there are sixes everywhere. But any mathematician can find the same thing for fives, sevens, and every other number. They made a movie about the number 23, so what is your point?
The number 666 is supposed to confirm to the reader who the False Prophet is, and since I believe he is / will be the pope, that is all I need to know. You have muddied the waters with things such as the internet. Are you saying the False Prophet will control the internet or just have a twitter account? And if a man does not use the internet, then he couldn’t possibly be the False Prophet?
TMI dude. No bible reading Christian can factor in every instance of 666 into his interpretation. So then will the False Prophet / antichrist be a Freemason, whose name adds to 666, along with all the other factors?
Barry is not a Mason, so that leaves him out, right? Or is every Mason an Antichrist? And everyone who uses the internet, including us? So what is your point exactly? Why don’t you write a movie script and call it “6” and send me a copy so I’ll know what the hell you’re talking about.
If you’ve done all this work just to prove Obama is the antichrist you have wasted your time. Your theory is crumbling quickly so you need to start looking for a new culprit soon. Of course with all those number I’m sure you can find millions of candidates with no problem.
But you need not look any further than the pope, which you have already confirmed. Nothing else is needed. Except time.
Soon, Obama will retire and disappear from the scene and the Vatican will be given absolute religious rule in the European Union and the pope will start performing miracles. Already Christians are flocking to the Catholic church and soon the whole Christian world will wonder after the Vatican beast.
Either that or Barry will somehow take over the earth, as you suggest.
So now we wait…
DJ,
Your source is a biblical website with an agenda like yours. They are looking for Satan everywhere.
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The following is from Wikipedia:
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Urban legend of 666 panes
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Louvre Pyramid with red lighting.
It has been claimed by some that the glass panes in the Louvre Pyramid number exactly 666, “the number of the beast”, often associated with Satan. Dominique Stezepfandt’s book François Mitterrand, Grand Architecte de l’Univers declares that “the pyramid is dedicated to a power described as the Beast in the Book of Revelation (…) The entire structure is based on the number 6.”
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The story of the 666 panes originated in the 1980s, when the official brochure published during construction did indeed cite this number (even twice, though a few pages earlier the total number of panes was given as 672 instead). The number 666 was also mentioned in various newspapers. The Louvre museum however states that the finished pyramid contains 673 glass panes (603 rhombi and 70 triangles).[7] A higher figure was obtained by David A. Shugarts, who reports that the pyramid contains 689 pieces of glass.[8] Shugarts obtained the figure from the offices of I. M. Pei.
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Elementary math allows for easy counting of the panes: each of the three sides of the pyramid without an entrance has 18 triangular panes and 17 rows of rhombic ones arranged in a triangle, thus giving \textstyle\frac{17\cdot(17+1)}{2}=153 rhombic panes (171 panes total). The side with the entrance, however, has 11 panes fewer (9 rhombic, 2 triangular), so the whole pyramid consists of 4\cdot153-9=603 rhombi and 4\cdot18-2=70 triangles, 673 panes total.
(Sorry, the fractions did not copy properly but you can go to wikipedia and read it for yourself.
James,
You’ve done it again – misrepresented what I’ve posted. The author of the blog and producer of the video is not working from a biblical prospective.
He in not a Christian.
He is not working from an urban legend Youtube platform – a platform that you use to marginalize. So obvious.
He debunks the common and uninformed myth – as you referenced in the not so professional, not so academic global source for truth – da website Wikipedia.
He is an architect by education and profession. He knows more than you on the subject. Really.
His religion is aligned with ancient Egypt. Sad but true. You’ve heard of powers of darkness. Yes, those powers do manifest and enlighten even today.
The demonic realm is becoming very bold, proud of their accomplishments.
They are flaunting the rebellion of Lucifer, which is represented in a number 6-6-6. They know what symbols mean and are flaunting the representation of his rebellion (666) in art, architecture and media. This guy is a vessel of those powers of darkness.
So – for you, one more time – it is not 666 pains of glass in the Louvre pyramid but 666 rhombi.
As for your total solar eclipse argument – take another pill and have another glass of beer or whatever you drink.
The total eclipse of the sun will not be seen over your head in Cali on Spring Equinox or over Brazil or over Uganda or Australia. It will be seen “over” EU, including da Pope’s pagan sundial in St. Peter’s Basilica.
You live for debunking – so try this.
0 x anything is 0.
Keep trying to debunk that until you get satisfaction. Burp.
Okay, I’ll help you. It’s posted on Youtube – the answer is somewhere between > 0 and < 0.
Now, I must be going.
Blessings
Psalm 64
Let me iterate the facts:
“…the whole pyramid consists of 4×153-9=603 rhombi and 4×18-2=70 triangles, 673 panes total.“
603 rhombi, not 666. In your version there could only be 7 triangles – a prime number that could not be evenly distributed between 4, 3 or even just 2 sides. In fact, I have looked at photos of the pyramid and I can easily identify far more than 7 triangles. There are 18 triangles at the base on 3 sides and 16 on the fourth – plain as day, so there can‘t possibly be as many as 666 rhombi.
Just look for yourself, if you dare, but you won’t. And for the same reason some people won’t pick up an astronomy to see if the Nibiru TouTube videos are real or not. You simply want to deny the truth and surround yourselves in like to make you feel better. Listen, I would be more than happy to admit that 666 is built into any object, hell I’ve got crap on my desk that is 6.66mm long. But I would still argue that Satan held no hand in designing the buttons on my printer or anything else on earth. It is the number of a man, not a dimension. Do you know that Revelation says to not add anything to the prophecy? You are crossing a line here and you won’t get me to go there with you, sorry.
But in this case I have caught you in a lie, one that anyone can prove with the slightest research, even the photo on the web site you referred to. As I said, the owner has a beef with Satan and is trying to pin half the world on him. And if as you say he is not a Christian then why is he reading and believing in the bible and its prophecy?
As for the eclipse, are you saying the sun will turn to sackcloth in Rome? Will darkness fall upon the Vatican? Or do you agree that they will see only a slight partial eclipse, with no visible darkening to the casual observer as I stated? Make yourself clear – you either agree with me or else you are wrong.
And btw, the only alcohol I’ve ever drunk was 2 sips of champagne at my wedding in 1969. But what are you smoking to believe all this nonsense you talk about? 🙂
And what happened to your avatar?
James,
Excuse the beverage and pill joke. Burp. Make that a glass of bottle water and an Advil joke. Gulp. It’s a headache.
You made a few false assumption – suggesting the blog & video posted are “biblical” with an agenda like mine.
It is not a biblical website.
He is not a Christian
There is no bible “end times” agenda.
He is an architect. By degree and profession – he is qualified to make observations and comments on structures, art (media) and buildings.
He could make an entry into Wikipedia and edit what you presented within Wikipedia.
Scott could take the time to diagram his findings and post them – if it was really critical. It’s not.
But when you read Scott’s other architectural, art and media observations worldwide – you and anyone can decide what to do with his work. You did with bias – “biblical website” and having some agenda. Nice work.
Your source is Wikipedia.
“Wikipedia is the world’s largest and most popular encyclopedia. Wikipedia contains more than 34 million volunteer-authored articles in over 288 languages, and is visited by more than 457 million people every month, making it one of the most popular sites in the world.”
[Does popularity make everything posted within true, factual. No.]
“It is a collaborative creation that has been added to and edited by millions of people during the past twelve years: anyone can edit it, at any time. It has become the largest collection of shared knowledge in human history.”
[Does largest make everything posted within true, factual? No.]
“The people who support it are united by their love of learning, their intellectual curiosity, and their awareness that we know much more together than any of us does alone.”
[Does love of learning and curiosity make everything posted within true, factual? No.]
So, Wikipedia has a great deal of collaboration, posting information that many who read consider fact or true but can be conjecture or interpretation.
Example:
Wikipedia posts that a Mormon is a Christian – like that is true or a fact. What do you think? You just love learning and curiosity like those who post in Wiki. It must be true that Mormons are Christians.
What is read on Wikipedia can be edited at any time by anyone. That’s a better operating platform for ongoing interpretation by a multitude of free thinking people than Youtube.
Wiki is not Encyclopedia Britannica.
I can’t afford to fly to Paris, visit with you and Scott in order to count the number of rhombi and discuss our observations.
Who lied? Bush!
If you want, keep looking, probing. But, make sure you don’t go to any biblical websites. There maybe bias or a conspiracy of 666.
As for the Total Solar Eclipse, occurring on Spring Equinox, 2015.
This is a Total Solar Eclipse not a partial. You know the difference.
From your home in Cali – will you be able to observe any portion of the Total Eclipse of the sun on March 20, 2015 (Spring Equinox)? Is it over you?
No.
You can’t observe this solar event from Cali because when this particular total solar eclipse occurs on Spring Equinox 2015 – it will be night time for you. In another reply, I recall you wrote the world will see this total solar eclipse. Maybe I read your comment in error.
This total solar eclipse, occurring on Spring Equinox, is not visible at all in the Western Hemisphere (Americas).
This total solar eclipse, occurring on Spring Equinox, is not visible at all in Australia or Kenya.
From the Vatican and across EU this total solar eclipse, occurring on Spring Equinox, is visible.
I’m sure you can pull rabbit out of the hat like Bullwinkle, presenting your data that a Total Solar Eclipse (not partial), visible (“over”) EU (Vatican and Jerusalem) on Spring Equinox is by your standards – common place or not significant.
But, this trifecta
1) total solar eclipse (not partial)
2) Spring Equinox, 2015
3) Over (visible) to EU (da Vatican and Jerusalem)
while there are 4 Blood Moons (lunar eclipses), occurring on 4 Hebrew Feast Days (Passover and Tabernacles) within 2 years (2014-15) – is very, very unique.
If you want to keep probing, go ahead.
If a total solar eclipse (not partial), occurring on Spring Equinox, visible over EU (da Vatican and Jerusalem) is not sufficed for you to be of any significance while there are these specific Blood Moons (2014-15 on Hebrew Feast Days) – fine.
You like to try to debunk and be a sceptic, marginalizing for maximum effectiveness. Like the song – “Be happy”
Where is my Advil?
Now, I must be going. 🙂
Blessings
I can’t decide, which version is more prophetic? The 60’s, or the 80’s version…perhaps someone needs to do another version of this song for the 10’s…
OR?
I’m leaning towards the Temptations, what do you think?
blittle,
Okay choice you offered above. I submit two. Here is the first selection from the pop culture.
American Woman – aka Harlot of Babylon.
blittle,
Second offering – it may be about the same spirit (Babylon).
Some folks hear prophetic meaning (Rev. 18:1-20) and some hear the death of 50’s rock-n-roll music. The lyrics gets really strange with the Jester, Satan, something 8 miles high and falling fast, and Father, Son and Holy Ghost leaving for the coast. What do you think?
maybe
the day the music died:
All kidding aside…Nebby was an instrument used by the Lord to inflict punishment on Israel who had fallen into harlotry…..The Holy Spirit left these shores a long time ago, and those who deny this are living in delusion. The churches catholic and protestant are merely the Harlot and her daughters who have been riding this beast. Only a remnant have been made pure, to preach the gospel of the Kingdom before the end begins. (Matthew 24:14) please, do not mistake the gospel of salvation and the gospel of the Kingdom. We have not heard the latter since the 1st century AD.
true
only ones I heard mention the kingdom were also preaching prosperity message…which is not what christ taught.
You just haven’t found the right churches. They are just a remnant, you know – few and far between. Most are Adventists – teaching prophecy and the coming kingdom.
Seek and you will find them.
Ha ha, They are the ones that brought all the confusion to the church…Take the C off of charlottes web!
“seek first HIS kingdom…..”
Before you say it, yes I know E.B. White and not E.G. White wrote charlottes Web. The metaphor is what I am applying here. Ellen is the Spider, who spun smooth words to save the pig, the dying Millerite religion, and repackaged It into the SDA we have today.
“Some pig”…. What’s the ole saying about lipstick on a pig?
Not tryin to confuse anyone….Sorry if I ruined the EB White book for anyone!
The SDA is not the only church based on prophecy. I follow the Philadelphia Church of God which is based on the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong, but there are others if you look around.
Any church which follows Sunday worship is a harlot and should be avoided. What’s left IS a remnant, just as the true church is described in rev12. These churches are all Sabbath keepers and only a church that “keeps the commandments of God and has the testament of Jesus Christ” will avoid the mark of the beast.
So that helps narrow down the possibilities quite a bit, wouldn’t you say? Or don’t you keep ALL the commandments?
Many people don’t, ya know.
James
Protestants say they are free and can not be judged and at the same time you say you must obey the commandment?????
Adam,
There are many protestant denominations. Only a couple follow all the commandments. Most, like the Catholic church, do not follow the 4th in particular, or in your case the third since the Catholic church removed the original second commandment when the Romans refused to remove their statues from their temples when Rome turned “Christian.”
God will not favor the Protestants when Mystery Babylon is destroyed. All apostate Christian churches will be destroyed and be replaced with the true apostolic church the way it was at the time of the apostles. All the changes made in the last 2000 years which were instigated by Satan will be removed and modern Christians will be re-taught the truth (along with the rest of the world’s religions) and those who submit will receive eternal reward and the rest will face extinction.
Sounds a little like Islam – convert or die – ironic, isn’t it?
Especially if you’re Muslim.
Unlike Islam, the word made flesh has a right to rule heaven and earth after being murdered unjustly and being perfect. G-d’s laws are righteous.
How do we know? Because, G-d died for us so we can live forever.
Islam requires you die and murder for my god of the Kabba.
I know you already know this Jim, but those reading your post might not understand that last sentence.
BTW, you never answered my question on the women who ride the beast. You ignored it as it was to complex.
If memory serves, it is no small event to cause the whole world to swear an oath to the beast, or not buy and sell. This is global. How do you get it is only within the western world?
Peace out.
bilttle,
What is this statement; the Holy Spirit left these shores a long time ago?
So, how do you read this passage?
“Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you'”(Hebrews 13:15).
blittle,
Does the Holy Spirit reside in you?
http://biblehub.com/john/14-17.htm
“You [Believers], however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ” (Romans 8:9).
…the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you” (John 14:17).
Jesus said to His disciples, “And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age” (Matthew 28:20).
This nation is not under God but He is with me (Psalm 27).
Blessings
Psalm 34
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+34:6-8&version=ESV
blittle,
Did I miss something, Charlotte?
“Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness…”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A33&version=ESV
No one enters the Kingdom without the proper wedding garment (Matthew 22:1-14). The garment is graciously given as the robe of righteousness.
What do you think the importance for seeking the Kingdom is when reading Matthew 6, Matthew 22 and other passages?
Please, explain the importance of seeking the Kingdom. I want to read your explanation. Thanks.
There is a great deal that is not preached/taught in the Evangelical church today, which are essential for the coming days.
BTW – American Woman or American Pie?
Where is my Advil?
Blessings
Psalm 145
I must be the beast. I eat 666 donuts last year and soon I will take over the world and no one can buy or sell without the dunkin donut badge on their hand or forehead 🙂
cute 🙂
poetrypoem.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?sitename=poga&displaypoem=t&item=poetry&poemnumber=927589
Leatherneck (from above),
I thought I answered your question about the woman on another more appropriate topic such as:
I will comment at the end of that page.
Jiim
in Chemistry 666 is also the code for respiration. Definitely a Holey number suppressed like so much else in the church. But all religion blind us, when they teach us to Believe in the words of man instead of Knowing the wisdom of god inside ourselves.
and by “god” I mean the inherent energy that is life. The consciousness that moves all cells, atoms and space.
I got to this article when i was looking for the story of easter, maybe some of you religious buffs can help me out (although this article has nothing to do with it). The story I am looking for is; after christe rose from the grave, Mary went to the king. She told him Christ had risen and presented him with an egg. The king replied “Ill believe that when eggs are red” and the egg change its color from white to red in his hand. anyone? anyone remember this old story???
arco
I have never heard that story
I just heard it for the 1st time…hence the inquiry. 🙂
WOW! these are some crude conversation if you can call them that. I thought the topic here was about numbers. did it make an ugly turn. I hope you can all find love and compassion for one another one day. I send mine to you ❤ for your mind seems to be a scary place to live ❤ may you find love and compassion for all brothers and sisters of the world (animals plants and spirit) and remember that usually the hardest to love are the ones that need it the most. ❤
the idea here was to examine the theory that 666 is a holy number to muslims..
I used some muslim websites but some muslims say it is not true.
Well I don’t know what the Muslim religion teaches. Nor do I really know what the Catholic/Christian religion teaches. I do know that in the chemistry of respiration and gas exchange of mammals and plants it is very important (photosynthesis is 6 carbon-dioxide molecule + 6 water molecule = a glucose molecule and 6 oxygen molecule. this is simply in reverse for mammals. In this regard, and i speak only for myself, I would call it a “holey” number. For it is the mathematical code of breath which is life. Ok, maybe this does not make it “holey”, but definitely special and part of divine creation ❤
just to be clear the reverse is; we need 6 oxygen molecules to break down a glucose molecule which byproduct = 6 carbon dioxide molecule and 6 water molecule. I realize I am off topic still. This is not a conversation about the significant of the number only of what a particular group feels about it, so i will bore you no longer. 🙂
I Thank you for your responses, and I will continue my journey looking for any evidence to back up this fun story of the red egg.
Best wishes
yes the number 6 is interesting. are you a biochemist?
http://www.denver.goarch.org/parishes/Grand_Junction/mary_magdalene/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg
http://www.antiochian.org/node/19008
red egg stories
one side against the other.
one freedom fighter is another terrorist.
battle of sexes is what it all comes down to.
why it happened was because of disrespect and lies.
choice.
and one chose wrong.
which one was it I ask of you?
time to contribute or be dashed forever more.
who is the whore?
this I ask of you.
nice poem
I am a muslim and is is 786 not 666 you idiots
I love you, in Jesus name 🙂
Allahu Akbar means my god is greatest, or greater. My god is greatest of what? All other gods at the kabba?
I’m just asking. Don’t cut my head off please.
you have a nice head….you should keep it 🙂
Haven’t read all comments, but consider this: 666 being a month, a day, a century. Muhammad’s birth? June, 8 in the 600s AD. 6/8/6…consider this…his birth was problematic, and hence born simply 2 days later. Also, what happens when you get rid of the top loop of 8? It becomes 6. So indeed, the prophetic VISION was of 666. Considering the prophecy was how many centuries earlier, the number 666 is virtually identical to Muhammad’s birth numbers. The mere fact Muhammad was born in June, in the 600s and on the 8th day, just TWO days later, this does bear serious consideration, as do these facts: Muhammad lived into his 60s (again the number 6); also ISIS is spreading and in many first world countries; Al Jezeera’s home news network (Arabic speaking) is brazenly pro HAMAS and ISIS; that “peaceful” Muslims do NOT condemn ISIS; are all worth revealing without promoting biased or fanatical views. It is simply awareness. Here’s a new research project for you. Check out Satanical music on youtube and you will discover that “Satan is coming” and the analogies between ISIS and fundamental Muslims within the Satanical lyrics is shocking indeed. Satanists claim their “morning star is rising in the east”. What symbol is on all Islamic flags? The star and crescent moon. Islamic symbolic meaning? The crescent moon is Islam and the star is the universe = Islam shall conquer the universe. Is it any wonder that in Islam, the number 666 would NOT be considered evil? Muslims don’t even celebrate Muhammad’s birthday in June! References: (1) http://allenbwest.com/2015/05/al-jazeera-poll-shows-overwhelming-support-for-isis/ (2) http://www.meforum.org/3147/al-jazeera (3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
666 is the number of a man, count the number of his NAME (or title).
You are really stretching the concept here, using a month, kinda close to a day (if those records were accurate) and a century. You are just finding sixes everywhere and stitching them together, and for what purpose? Mohammed is dead and he can’t be resurrected until the second resurrection at the end of the millennium. Satan can’t do it so he isn’t the man in question.
God does not require Sherlock Holmes to put illusive clues together to patch together His prophecy. When the man arrives his number will be easy to count. The prophecy is not to predict 1000 years ahead of time who the man of sin will be but to verify his existence once he is in power.
So just wait a while – see if Mohammed is actually resurrected before making any bold predictions.
tThehe Koran is redaction from the teachings of Jesus. Also written make your ‘so called prophet’ a disciple of Satan and All muslims blinded by the great deciever and liar, Lucifer. Jesus said that ‘only through me will you find MY FatHERS KINGDOM’ AND, there will be Many that will come after Me as wolves dressed in sheeps clothing’ Your islam has come from the Evil One himself and deceives the fools that believe in nonsense without the Word that Jesus, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE MOST HIGH WHO DIED FOR THE SINS FOR E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y. Muslims can pray 1000 times a day, but it’ll get them N-O-W-H-E-R-E, EXCEPT THROUGH praying to God IN THE NAME OF JESUS . So, Mr. Muslim wake-up and stop being deceived by Evil teachings by Evil men!
Fabulously said, Islam is a hopeless religion!!!
see my email address carefully..no idea of 666 when I signed up at gmail..I m a Muslim in Dhaka,Bangladesh..I born at 11th July in 1984..m I in danger or I will be happy that I got 666 automatically.. what u say..
dear muhammed
I do not think getting a number assigned to you when registering for gmail is bad.
love god and others, and you are ok
hate god and others, and you are not ok
Just a twist on the number 666, good news when we look to God’s word. Maybe something maybe not.
Jos 6:6 ” And Joshua (Jehovah is salvation) the son of Nun (tribe of Ephraim) call the priests (Priesthood), and said (speak) unto them,
take up (continue to grab hold, The tribal flag that is hung up high from a horizontal pole and lifted up and seen from a distance) the ark (gather up something to place in a box or other container) of the covenant (instituted through a sacrifice or blood), and let seven-priests bear (carry) seven trumpets (bright and beautiful sound) of rams’ horns before (face) the ark (gathering or box) of Jehovah .”
1 Chron 6:66 “And some of the families of the sons of Kohath had cities of their borders out of the tribe of Ephraim.
Psa 66:6 “He turned (over turned) the sea (west) into dry (shame or a dry land) land: they went (cross over a river or cross through land) through the flood (river, the life giving water that washes or cleans) on foot: (trample or slander, or travel) there we rejoice in him.
John 6:66 “And this many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” – What was “this” that the many walk away and quit walking with him (Jesus). This – “For this cause have I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father” – truth be told her.
No more verses that can be designated 666.
My thoughts are the Satan tries to copy God’s ideas so maybe if we look to what YHWH says then we may get some truth and not a lie.
Meditate and reflect
I couple of others I thought about but no time to research.
Verse 666 – Gen 25:7 Abraham’s death?
Chapter 66:6 – Exo 16:6 know Jehovah brought you out from Egypt
Book 66:6 – Rev 1:6 And he made us to be a kingdom to be priests
According to the last book in the Bible, 666 is the number, or name, of the wild beast with seven heads and ten horns that comes out of the sea. (Revelation 13:1, 17, 18) This beast is a symbol of the worldwide political system, which rules over “every tribe and people and tongue and nation.” (Revelation 13:7) The name 666 identifies the political system as a gross failure in God’s sight. Names given by God have meaning. For example, God gave the man Abram, which means “Father Is High (Exalted),” the name Abraham, which means “Father of a Crowd (Multitude),” when God promised that He would make Abraham “a father of many nations.” (Genesis 17:5, footnotes) Likewise, God named the beast 666 as a symbol of its defining attributes. Often, numbers are used as symbols in the Bible. Seven typically represents completeness or perfection. Six, being one short of seven, can denote something incomplete or flawed in God’s eyes, and it can be associated with God’s enemies.—1 Chronicles 20:6; Daniel 3:1.The Bible sometimes stresses a matter by stating it three times. (Revelation 4:8; 8:13) So the name 666 powerfully emphasizes that God views human political systems as gross failures. They have been unable to bring lasting peace and security—things that only God’s Kingdom will achieve. The Bible says that people receive “the mark of the wild beast” because they follow it “with admiration,” to the point of worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3, 4; 16:2) They do this by giving worshipful honor to their country, its symbols, or its military might. As The Encyclopedia of Religion states: “Nationalism has become a dominant form of religion in the modern world.” * (Revelation 13:16) Regarding his commands to the nation of Israel, God said: “Bind them as a reminder on your hand, and they should be like a headband on your forehead.” (Deuteronomy 11:18) This meant, not that the Israelites were to mark their literal hands and foreheads, but that God’s words would guide all their actions and thoughts. Likewise, rather than being something literal such as a 666 tattoo, the mark of the beast symbolically identifies those who let the political system rule their lives. Those with the mark of the beast place themselves in opposition to God.—Revelation 14:9, 10; 19:19-21.
dear truthseeker
that is a very good explanation also
That is the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen or read
Yes 666 is a satanic numbers u can c it Hollywood, Bollywood star are showing 666 symbol ,u know wat Hitler told to the world ,if he killed so many person bcs of some reason which people may come to know wat he did ryt or wrong & so he didn’t killed everyone he left few alive bcs world should know the actual truth ,jesu is not god he is messenger ,we Muslim bliv him,but trut is their is no God but Allah, Allah is created this world
Mohammed
if you believe Jesus, then believe what HE said about himself. he said he was son of God, that God was his father.
yes, he was a messenger, but he was also MORE than that. he existed before he came to earth…he came to earth as a miracle child, a virgin birth.
he had power in heaven as God’s son. God can do anything. he created the world without help of a wife, and he had JEsus without a wife.
because jesus is the Son of God, he is much more than many think, and God has given him power to much good on earth, and to destroy evil satan.
if we belong to him, then he will protect us from evil, and save us from hell.
Jesus also took our punishment for sins by dying for us, and this is what saves us from hell, if we accept what he did for us.
he did this for us, because god is merciful and full of love, and jesus also had this love, and wanted to help people be free of satan
god bless you
muslim is a hopeless religion, obviously teaches distraction not love!
Bottom line, Christianity teaches love, respect, honesty, honor , compassion, care, beauty, greatness, goodness!!!! Doesn’t teach fear, obeying , norms , rules … Jesus , our Lord, loves us and wants pure, sincere relationship with us…..Not murdering, not raping, not belittle nor brainwashing ….
– 10 horns
1. muhamad
2 Abu bakr
3 umar
4 utman
5 ali
6 hasan
7 husein
8 khalid ibn al walid
9 Abu ubaidah
10 jafar bin abi talib
>> 10 horns purpose to give power and authority to the beast (rev 17:13) they will rule for one hour that’s 41 years (one prophetic day equal to 1000 years) started 620 (islam perfected when mohamed ascend to heaven-isra mijrad and receive allah order to pray 5 times/day) until 661 when ali,hasan,husein subdue to muawiyah
Small horn: muawiyah
after mohamed died he replaced by 4 caliphs, abu bakr, umar both father in law, utman, ali both son in law of mohamed so all blood related to mohamed. problem arise when utman replaced by ali, muawiyah who’s blood related to utman but not to ali protest said no need blood related to mohamed to rule islam anyone can as long as justified and starting rebellion. in 660 AD muawiyah gain control most of islamic caliphate territory and jan 661 ali died months later ali sons hasan (5th caliph) and husain(2nd imam of shiah) surrender to muawiyah new caliphate sytem (non blood/sunni) last for 1260 years from 660 (muawiyah gain control of IC) until 1920 (first meeting of league of nation, fall of ottoman)
7 heads are kings/kingdom, 5 fallen, one is, the other not come (rev 17:10)
1 egypt
2 asiria
3 babylon
4 persia
5 greece
6 rome
7 islamic caliphate – blood related leadership
8 islamic caliphate – non blood related
REVELATION 13 by each verse
1. Beast appeared (look daniel 7 4th beast), this is symbol of islam/allah as whole
2. resembled of lion, bear and leopard only islam ever conquer 3 beasts territory and it is HISTORICAL FACT you will never seen rome map reach persian.
3. one head wounded but heal, it is the first fitna when muawiyah fight against ali which cost many jihadist troops but finally muawiyah wins and his umayah caliphate conquer from spain to persia
4. who can fight the beast? islam is so powerfull under rashidun and umayah and most of her conquest last until now (while rome suffer many defeats, split even lost its territory) men worship islam as religion not rome
5. 42 month represent power of new system calliphate that replace blood related from 660 (muawiyah gain most IC territory) until 1920 (end of WW1, first meeting of league of nation held in january, fall of ottoman empire)
6. islam insult god and his dwelling place, islam called jesus as man, replace true israel god with pagan deity and build mosque in jerusalem salomn temple
7. islam fight against jew and christian even defeating christian byzantium empire and also islam/allah spread throughout the world.
8 there are 1.5 B muslim now from all over the world
9/10. islam spread her teaching with sword (war)
11. islam claimed to believe prophet isa/jesus believe in all prophet and their book of torah and sabur/psalm (look like a lamb) but insult him by reject jesus divinity, claim all prophet were muslim and claimed bible is a fake (speak like dragon). the beast is early jihadist(when they are still in small number then gaining more follower), two horns represent rashidun and umayah caliphate
12. rashidun and umayah are moslim and they forced people to follow islam
13-15. muslim always claim mohamed split the moon and it is known they respect /using demonic jinn (genie) even dark magic and claimed thats all from allah almighty. they will kill those who insult islam. in war islam bring cannon which unknown to christian that weapon can cause explosion (fire from heaven)
16-18 under rashidun and umayah caliphate islam expand its territory with war/sword they commit forced religious convertion with death penalty or paying high taxes (jizyah) so non converter will become very poor (unable to buy/sell – rev 13:16).
666 beast – triscore
1. it is a mark, those who embrace islam will receive mark in head (belief the idea of pagan deity) and work in way of islam (hand mark).
2.it is a number , the mark of the beast 666 which greece numerical known as tri score and the number is allah
3 it is a name, a converter/mualaf must said syahadat word which mention name of beast/allah (rev 13:17) .
4. it is man, name allah is a name for male deity for female is al lat just like christiano for male and christiana for female
good explanation
Wow, I guess you really can make the bible say anything you want to if you put in enough work. So is Islam going to take over the whole world? I don’t think so. There is a lot more to the Book of Revelation than one chapter and it doesn’t support this theory.
Points for cleverness though.
jim
you do not seem to be in touch with the news much. muslims are taking over europe
No, it seems you are out of touch with reality. ISIS is being pushed back in Iraq and they are making little headway in Syria even after 5 years. Look at how long it took the US to take over all those pesky Indians after we got here. Jesus can’t wait another 200 years. And the Indians didn’t have an army with nukes.
At some point the Christians in Europe will revolt against the influx of Muslims and come up with a clever way to force them out. They will use the mark of the beast (forced Sunday worship) to make them leave if they want to practice their religion properly. And the pope (Vatican) will have the power of the European Union to enforce the law and may even behead the offenders just to give them a taste of their own religion.
There is your prophecy right there. Much more likely, even if there were no prophecy something like it will happen. But those Muslim immigrants will never “take over” any EU country. Not even with votes. Just being elected does not mean you can change the laws of a nation. And even if they did try to amend constitutions it would take many years. And then to do it everywhere in the world? Just try China or the US or even South America. Or India or Australia. Or Antarctica. You get the point. But maybe not. Even though something is virtually impossible, you have complete confidence that it is just about to happen.
Sure, God could command it to happen, but man, left to himself will never accomplish it.
So you think maybe someday we will all wake up and Islam will be magically in charge of the planet? Its as good an explanation as anything else I’ve heard. Even the writer of the Left Behind book never showed how the Antichrist actually came to power.
Seems he needed a little magic himself.
jim
america has done next to nothing to stop ISIS….Putin is doing all the work bc we have a _____ in the white house who finances ISIS, and protects it.
sharia law is already established in many parts of europe, the people of which would disagree with you strongly. the UK is on its knees to Islam already..so is Germany. sweden is lost also.
you are in denial and know nothing of current events….how much does the government pay you to support it on christian websites?
I’ll simply remind you of the last nation who tried to take over the word… 3 of them together to boot. Even with all the might and manufacturing power the axis powers of WW2 could only last five years against primarily the US and Britain. And you claim that 40,000 ISIS fighters can accomplish what Germany and Japan could not?
And if so, just how long will it take those 40,000 fighter to kill or convert 8 billion people?
Let me calculate…………
NEVER!
yes recalculate…there are millions of ISIS / muslims in europe now, and they are either feeding off the governments at a rate of 80% , or they are in the government….your 40,000 is a joke for a number
they do not have to convert or kill each day…if they get in the government they pass laws that benefit them and harm us
america is a good example also…flooded with the muslim brotherhood
you knowledge of current events is outdated…I put you somewhere around 1960.. have you heard JFK was shot?
So how long do you think it will take ISIS to change the US constitution and replace it with Sharia law? The Equal rights Amendment took over 20 years to pass. ISIS doesn’t seem the type of people who wish to take over the world by votes. They only understand violence. But don’t worry, the pope will eventually kick them out. You wondered years ago why the EU would give power to the Vatican. Well, now we have the reason.
So either the Muslims take over or they get kicked out.
Lets wait and see which happens.
pope will kick out muslim???
in fact pope urged for each european catholic house to help muslim immigrant even pope invite muslim cleric to pray in vatican church.
vatican will be destroyed by muslim then we will see big war
Your ten horns should be nations existing at the same time, not 10 different leaders of the same kingdom ruling at different times. And I’m certain I could find far more than the ten you listed.
You don’t understand the purpose of the statue and the 8 kingdoms. They represent the consecutive kingdoms that controlled God’s people throughout history. The Ottoman empire did not control God’s people. Nor does ISIS. The vast number of Christians today are part of the Roman Catholic Church. This is the church God is concerned about, not the Muslims or any other false religion. Do you really think that Jesus will marry a church that consistently breaks the commandments? This is the basic theme of the Book of Revelation, not what the Muslims will do. God will destroy the Muslims in the war of Gog, so if he does that there won’t be any left to kill off when Jesus returns. That would be an unnecessary duplication of effort.
The bible is for Christians, not Muslims and God doesn’t expect every Christian who reads the New Testament to study the history of a false religion in order to understand the word of God. Tell me when God has wiped out another religion. He has only punished His own people when they broke the law. He will kill the Muslims when they attack Israel in the war of Gog, but if He wipes out one religion He must be fair and wipe out the rest.
You forget that God gave man free will to worship as he sees fit. Just because a person grows up in a Muslim country and never reads the bible doesn’t mean God hates them and wishes to destroy them. He will use the resurrected Christians in the millennium to teach the rest of the world the gospel and give them the opportunity to enter the fold. God wishes that everyone He ever created to come to Him. Christ died for the sins of the world and that means everyone. But he doesn’t want a paganized Catholic church teaching their brand of Christianity to the world after Jesus returns.
You can’t understand prophecy without understanding the mind of God and you can find that by reading the entire bible and understanding the “big picture” that threads itself throughout the book.
You think God is more angry at a false religion than his own people breaking His laws. Well, that would be a first. But God is the same yesterday today and forever. So such a complete turn in His nature is highly unlikely. around.
So I reject any notion that Islam is part of the Book of Revelation or the book of Daniel. The war of Gog is the only reference to Islamic nations and that is where the militant Muslim armies will be destroyed by God. But if God destroys them before the war begins then Ezekiel’s war will never happen. Again, the idea is just illogical.But Rome did and you included it inyour list of the 8 kingdoms. Neither
And the whole idea that Islam could take over the world is just as illogical. I just hate any prophecy interpretation that can simply never happen.
The pope is doing exactly what I would expect the False Prophet to do… to bring the whole world into the Vatican fold. He even reaches out to atheists. He has already performed three miracles and may be proclaimed a saint in his own reign as pope. The bible predicted this.
But if and when the Muslims turn on him he will be happy to proclaim the mark of the beast which would drive devout Muslims out of Europe. The next Holy Roman Emperor (soon to come on the scene) will control all of the European Union and will give his power to the Vatican beast and use the armies of Europe to enforce the mark (Sunday worship).
By the way,, there is no way a Muslim army could cross the alps like Hannibal and reach Rome in one piece. And if they attempt to attack by ship the US 6th fleet will sink their entire navy in a few hours. One guided missile cruiser could due the trick all by itself.
You live in a fantasy world rooted in a false interpretation that you have spent far too much time thinking of. You have created a perfect final result with no real path to actual fulfillment.
Many people here believe Obama will be the Antichrist and will rule the world as a Muslim, but they can’t produce a logical and realistic way that this could actually happen. They just jump from the present to the future and don’t think about anything in between. And they actually believe it is on the very brink of happening thru the use of dozens of conspiracy theories. I’ve been hearing for 20 years that planet X (Nibiru) is almost here. It is right below the south pole. It is right next to the sun. It’s here… it’s there… it’s everywhere. And yet it’s nowhere.
So forgive me if I’ll never believe ISIS will conquer the Vatican. The Vatican will be destroyed by its own 10 nations of the restored Holy Roman Empire. That will happen just before the Second Coming. And what they don’t destroy, God will finish.
You wanna change your mind or you wanna wait it out? 🙂
so 10 nations of europe which most of them with catholic majority will attack pope/vatican ???? LOL…..what a fantasy….you are very funny jim.
the US constitution has been discarded already, and whatever bozo wants is what is going on……unconstitutional laws have been passed for several years, and no one cares…..constitution is violated on a daily basis…..it is already replaced with bozo’s whims
In the book the antichrist came to power through the United Nations.
jim, rome interpretation with daniel 7 4th beast and rev 13 first best will facing contradictions
1. 10 horns are 10 tribes in rome
– why only 10 tribes in western rome not all rome (including east rome) ??
– 10 horns purpose to give power and authority (rev 17:13) but 10 tribes fighting each other even some attacking and plundering roman capital…this is serious contradiction
– heruli destroyed in tribes war against lombard not because of papal rome, while ostrogoth and vandal destroyed by byzantium/eastern rome ortodox church.
2. the beast only wounded not dead….where is roman empire now?? gone !
3. the beast resembled of lion, bear and leopard, you will not find roman empire control persia only islam ever did that
all clues lead to islam not rome
– islam attacking holy people- jew and christian
– islam created its own law – syariah
– islam created its own time – hijriah calendar
– islam insulting god and his dwelling place – insult jesus and build mosque in salomon temple
– islam still exist not but rome gone ( beast will be destroyed at end of time)
the mark of the beast is not sunday law, 666 must be name/number/mark/man….is sunday is a man? no , or number? no, or man? no
mark of the beast is allah
– allah is a name
– allah is a number in greece numerical
– allah is man deity
– allah is a mark when saying syahadat word which mention name of the beast/allah – believe in concept of pagan deity (head mark) and work/life in the way of islam (hand mark)
the babylon prostitute is rome/european community while islam is the beast
vatican/pope asking for each catholic house to take care one muslim family although they know muslim massacre christian in arab world ( rev 17:6- she drunk with blood of saints)
7 heads are 7 mountains/hills on which the woman sits (rev 17:9), 7 hills represent istanbul/turkey ( city of 7 hills) the woman sit there because 7 hills/istanbul are member of european community.
the beast/islam hate the prostitute/rome-european community (rev 17:16), will attack her and burn her with fire – islam will attack rome/vatican with deadly weapon….jihadist already attacking european but not rome
global jihad (rev 9:16) – army with 200 million released from middle east/islam ( rev 9:14)…in progress now
parts book of revelation actually talking about conflict between christian vs islam…do you think islam which actually the biggest antichrist not mention in bible?
donal,
Just a few notes, not in order.
The beast (Holy Roman Empire) was not wounded, only one of its heads (the little horn – the Vatican) so we agree on the wound.
The references to the lion, bear and leopard were to the beasts of Daniel not to the land they occupied. Most people get this wrong. As well as “Mystery Babylon” which they often relate to the city or the country it is in today and the primary religion therein. But Mystery Babylon actually refers to a false religion from anscient Babylon at the time of Nimrod. It is the source of Christmas, Easter and many pagan elements in modern Christianity. It developed into Baal worship and you know how God feels about those folks. This religion migrated from Babylon to Medo-Persia to Greece and then to Rome and finally into the Catholic church. Without this carrying-over from one conquered country to the next Mystery Babylon would have disappeared long ago. So the beast names as well as Mystery Babylon are all references to the Catholic church and to modern Christianity in general. It links the book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation together into one single continuous story. It has nothing to do with the religion of the people who now live in the ancient lands spoke of in the bible.
The popes title is Vicarius Filii Dei and if you add up the Roman numerals in the title you get 666, the number of a man.
The law Daniel referred to was God’s law – the Ten Commandments. Not some future laws made by some future kingdoms that God does not care about.
Tell me, when has God ever punished anyone other than the Jews (His own people) for their sins? Why not the Buddhists and the Hindus too? They don’t believe in God at all. That is the ultimate insult.
The Jews were given into captivity because the profaned God’s Sabbath. (read Jeremiah). Thus was the first desolation.
Then the Jews rejected Yashuah at the end of the 70 weeks and that brought on the second desolation in 70 AD. Next time it will be the Christians who will be punished for their sins, one of them being breaking the 4th commandment.
Allah can’t be the False Prophet. He doesn’t exist and God knows it. So are you claiming the Muslims will have the mark of the beast? Christians get off scott-free? Finally… God will pick on some other religion for a change. Many Christians around here believe the same thing. Some even believe Christians can do no wrong since they are no longer under the law – any law. Well, that takes the stress of the mark of the beast away and puts it all on someone else.
Anyone will do.
If you have a look at revelation 17 it refers to the harlot riding the wild beast as Babylon the great, referred to as such because in Babylonian times and in Babylon itself there were a multitude of religions, gods and Idols that were being worshiped, this is why the God of the Bible calls it the great prostitute and deceiver and it is the same for our current day, there are thousands up on thousands of “False” religions including Islam and even among Christianity Jesus speaks of this at Matthew 24:11, Mark 13:22 and in my opinion Catholicism leading them . The wild beast and horns can be referred to as world/earthly governance such as the United Nations, started of as the League of Nations then disappeared and then returned as the United Nations, many countries sit on the board of the UN but there are permanent member nations and this is your 7 heads (Country/Nations) which is in bed with False religion (correctly referred to as the Prostitute due to no separation between church and state in essence sleeping with one another) and the 10 horns being the leaders of those nations who will wield the power of the UN and because God put it in to their hearts and mind (Revelation 17:17) will turn on worldwide religion in some form possibly banning Religion altogether due to its causing millenniums of conflict and mistrust, but thankfully only for a short period of time when Jesus steps in to reclaim his rightful Earthly Kingdom, the Devil is the ruler of this world currently heading up False religion including Catholicism, Islam, Scientology, etc. The number or sign of the Devil can very likely be a card, tattoo or currency that the 8th Kingdom (Revelation 17:11) requires its followers to use so as to live, trade or survive during this last period of time before Jesus comes to battle it. This is why the nations of the earth and all the traders or retailers will be weeping and distraught because False religion world wide has given Nations Power and retailers lots of wealth over many years for religious ornaments and paraphernalia (Revelations 18:9 through to 17) Regardless of any of this Christianity and Islam have been at each other for millenniums and a lot due to each of them thinking they are chosen and lets not forget the Jewish influence who still think although all their backsliding and defiance against God are the chosen race or people. The message of the Bible was hidden for centuries and Christendom did not want the average person to know the message of the Bible and just taught what it wanted to assert power over the average person thank goodness for organisations who are printing this wonderful book in many languages for people to read, discern and make their own opinion on its content, this is similar for the Quran which Islamic extremists are using to push home their own version to assert control over some nations now. In the new testament Jesus teaches Love for one another above all else, Love for God, Jesus, self, neighbour, etc. and big emphasise on forgiveness and non judgement, in essence respect for fellow beings, give me that any day.
jim,
Do you know that allah claimed to be the god of abraham, ishak and jacob?but at same time deny jesus divinity, saying israel is infidel, all prophet were muslim and bibile is a fake
when the beast change the law he did change law (10 commandments)
1. there is no other gods…….but islam worship pagan allah
2. no idols…..islam worship blackstone/hajr aswad
3. don’t misuse lord’s name…..they change his name to allah
4.
5.
6.shall not murder…….islam can murder infidel
7
8 shall not steal….islam allow to rob/steal from infidel
9 no false testimoty…..islam allow his follower to lie to non believer (taqiyah)
10.
why after babylon/lion appears persia/bear then appears leopard/greece? because persia took over babylon land and greece took over persia land. this is about who controls the land (middle east). islam control middle east not rome.
vatican didn’t subdue 3 horns (heruli, vandal, ostrogoth) so vatican not small horn
the beast/islam hate the babylon prostitute (vatican/rome/europe)…it is happening now (FACT), based on your interpretation….how can the beast (rome) hate the prostitute(vatican)…western rome extinct 476 AD while some saying vatican start reign 538 AD ?
10 horns purpose to give power to the beast not attacking the beast so 10 horns its not 10 tribes of west rome – you should compare to history before making interpretation besides how can you explain one hour reign?
i’m sorry if your 7th day adventist eschatology little bit off history but you can’t condemn all christian that worship on sunday the day our lord resurrect because without his resurrection christianity never exist.
all clues lead to islam, not rome
Check your history… Greece was conquered by Rome, not Islam. It didn’t even exist at the time. And there should be no 100 year gap in the prophecy. The statue was all one solid piece, each beast section adjoining the next. A large gap is illogical.
The European Union is the revived Roman empire and it will soon give power to the Vatican beast and the restored Holy Roman Empire will begin (the 8th king of Revelation.) The ten nations that give their power to the restored Holy Roman Empire will eventually come to realize the mistake they made after suffering the mark of the beast and will turn on the Vatican and destroy it.
There is a difference between when the Vatican first started and when the Holy Roman Empire began. The Vatican was already in existence at the time and while it was in religious control of Europe it was not a kingdom itself. That happened in 1929 – the year there deadly wound was healed.
Daniel said the beast (Vatican) would “think” to change laws and time. The only commandment that has a time is the Sabbath commandment. The fact that other religions that came along later created different laws has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. Muslims do not recognize them. But the Catholic church has removed one (2nd) and ignores the 4th. It says the pope has the power to override the word of God and he is the substitute for Jesus Christ. That is blasphemy. Anything any other religion says is not blasphemy, only false doctrine. Calling yourself Christian and then disobeying God’s law is blasphemy.
And if the entire nation of Israel can be tossed into captivity for 70 years for polluting God’s Sabbath then why wouldn’t God punish modern Christians doing the exact same thing for 5 months with plagues?
If you can list all 11 horns by name from the Muslim world I’d like to hear it, and give me three that were or will soon be completely destroyed.
And rev12 does not fit Islam either, nor the description of the false church as using purple and scarlet and golden cups. I used to see all three every Sunday when I was a youngster in mass. Islam wears black and uses no such paraphernalia. I tried my best to match the entire Book of Revelation to Islam but more than half the book had to be tossed out. Many people believe that the book hasn’t even started yet and that everything is in the future. Its hard to argue with that because if it hasn’t happened yet there is nothing to prove, only to wait.
So tell me briefly what we are waiting for. An Islamic leader will take over the world (very popular)? Nothing happens till Jesus returns then all the Muslims are killed? Something in between? I want to follow the news so I’ll be ready for what you claim to happen.
and check again your history correctly, greece alexander was split into 4 of his generals not defeating by rome only some part of alexander empire controlled by rome but persia and greece take over all land of other 2 beast and look historical map of those 3 beast is it in erope?? no, it is in middle east. there is no problem regarding hundreds year gap of time as long as its fit the prophecy. islam is the only power that ever conquered 3 beast territory not rome.
first you said agree that the beast is not dead only wounded now why you bring this new roman revival ??? illogical, the beast appeared only once and will die at the end of time while roman already extinct now.
now 10 horns are 10 nations..??? so what happen with 10 horns before this so called new revival ??? the beast only appeared once, the beast from daniel 7 is the same beast with rev 13 not different beast unless for you it’s different beast.
council nicea 325 AD there are 318 participants only 5 from west church (catolic only send 1 participant) other 313 from east church, before that time term “pope” doesn’t exist.
new testament is for christian while old testament (10 commandments) for the jew – unless of course you want to change 5th command and saying “the land”(canaan) is for christian not jew—–i believe this is another subject and i will only focus with the beast subject.
i agreed that pope removed 2nd command and split 10th command into 2 but he is not the beast. rome/vatican (europe community) actually is the great babylon prostitute while the beast is islam.
actually if scroll a bit above you can find 10 horns but it’s ok here are the list of 10 islamic leaders
10 horns
1. muhamad
2 Abu bakr
3 umar
4 utman
5 ali
6 hasan
7 husein
8 khalid ibn al walid
9 Abu ubaidah
10 jafar bin abi talib
>> 10 horns purpose to give power and authority to the beast (rev 17:13) they will rule for one hour that’s 41 years (one prophetic day equal to 1000 years) started 620 (islam perfected when mohamed ascend to heaven-isra mijrad and receive allah order to pray 5 times/day) until 661 when ali,hasan,husein subdue to muawiyah
Small horn: muawiyah
after mohamed died he replaced by 4 caliphs, abu bakr, umar both father in law, utman, ali both son in law of mohamed so all blood related to mohamed. problem arise when utman replaced by ali, muawiyah who’s blood related to utman but not to ali protest said no need blood related to mohamed to rule islam anyone can as long as justified and starting rebellion. in 660 AD muawiyah gain control most of islamic caliphate territory and jan 661 ali died months later ali sons hasan (5th caliph) and husain(2nd imam of shiah) surrender to muawiyah new caliphate sytem (non blood/sunni) last for 1260 years from 660 (muawiyah gain control of IC) until 1920 (first meeting of league of nation, fall of ottoman)
7 heads are kings/kingdom, 5 fallen, one is, the other not come (rev 17:10)
1 egypt
2 asiria
3 babylon
4 persia
5 greece
6 rome
7 islamic caliphate – blood related leadership
8 islamic caliphate – non blood related
and now i would like to hear your 10 horns+1 horns and 3 that subdue.
islam will destroy europe not conquering (rev 17:16) islam will attacking until finally they will start global jihad with 200 milions (rev 9:16) paris attack is only beginning worse will come and one day you will watch on tv when they attack vatican.
one world order not gonna happen..do you think russia, china, india and other will follow pope?? illogical.
i don’t understand why you bring rev 12 woman, i don’t think she is the great babylon. rev 12 woman probably is israel, her child is jesus (christianity), the dragon is satan.
Your ten horns should be nations existing at the same time, not 10 different leaders of the same kingdom ruling at different times.
You don’t understand the purpose of the statue and the 8 kingdoms. They represent the consecutive kingdoms that controlled God’s people throughout history. The Ottoman empire did not control God’s people. But Rome did and you included it in your list of the 8 kingdoms. Neither does ISIS. The vast number of Christians today are part of the Roman Catholic Church. This is the church God is concerned about, not the Muslims or any other false religion. Do you really think that Jesus will marry a church that consistently breaks the commandments? This is the basic theme of the Book of Revelation, not what the Muslims will do. God will destroy the Muslims in the war of Gog, so if he does that there won’t be any left to kill off when Jesus returns. That would be an unnecessary duplication of effort.
The bible is for Christians, not Muslims and God doesn’t expect every Christian who reads the New Testament to study the history of a false religion in order to understand the word of God. Tell me when God has wiped out another religion. He has only punished His own people when they broke the law. He will kill the Muslims when they attack Israel in the war of Gog, but if He wipes out one religion He must be fair and wipe out the rest.
You forget that God gave man free will to worship as he sees fit. Just because a person grows up in a Muslim country and never reads the bible doesn’t mean God hates them and wishes to destroy them. He will use the resurrected Christians in the millennium to teach the rest of the world the gospel and give them the opportunity to enter the fold. God wishes that everyone He ever created to come to Him. Christ died for the sins of the world and that means everyone. But He doesn’t want a paganized Catholic church teaching their brand of Christianity to the world after Jesus returns.
You can’t understand prophecy without understanding the mind of God and you can find that by reading the entire bible and understanding the “big picture” that threads itself throughout the book.
You think God is more angry at a false religion than His own people breaking His laws. Well, that would be a first. But God is the same yesterday today and forever. So such a complete turn around in His nature is highly unlikely.
So I reject any notion that Islam is part of the Book of Revelation or the book of Daniel. The war of Gog is the only reference to Islamic nations and that is where the militant Muslim armies will be destroyed by God. But if God destroys them before the war begins then Ezekiel’s war will never happen. Again, the idea is just illogical.
And the whole idea that Islam could take over the world is just as illogical.
I just hate any prophecy interpretation that can simply never happen.
where is your 10 horns+ 1 horn and 3 subdue interpretation? i gave you mine where is yours? be fair…..you give nothing but complaints…prove i need prove from your interpretation
vatican/rome (european community) is the great babylon prostitute
islam is the beast and hate great babylon and will attack her….it is happening now
your interpretation is only a hallucination unless you give me 10 horns+ small horn+ 3 subdue and let’s matching it with history
william miller and ellen g white falsely claimed about judgement day…i’m pretty sure her eschatology is a mess.
i see no wisdom in you or at least if you still have pride give me your 10 horns+1small horn and 3 subdue.
Is Vatican really the great prostitute in revelations? For me, I think this prostitute is more likely to be Jerusalem. Many of the prophecies documented in the old testament describe Jerusalem as a whore and a prostitute. Amongst these are the accounts in Ezekiel 16
“Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, and say … thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was … thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh, and hast increased thy whoredoms to provoke me to anger … thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable. Yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied … thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith …”
There’s also something similar in chapter 23. Also, in Revelations 17:6, it is said that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and the matyrrs of Jesus. Compare this to something Jesus said in Matthew 23:37
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee …”
The text in Revelations also says that the prostitute is a city that sits on seven hills, and Jerusalem fits the description.
And again, it seems more conventional that a prophecy in the Bible is either about Israel or her neighbors … the more reason I think Jerusalem is the whore that is spoken of here. It’s just my opinion though
I gave you the ten horns – those ten nations that came out of the Roman empire. The ten toes of the statue. Three were destroyed, but not BY the Vatican, but before it.
Daniel 7:8 the prophet Daniel writes: “I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots.”
International Standard Version
“While I was thinking about the horns—look—another horn, this time a little one, grew up among them. Three of the first horns were yanked up by their roots right in front of it. Look! It had eyes like those of a human being and a mouth that boasted with audacious claims.”
So it was not the Vatican itself who fought and destroyed the Vandals, Ostrogoths and the Heruli, they were destroyed while the Vatican watched… and rejoiced. The Vatican of course was the little horn.
So the bible does match history after all.
🙂
your interpretation 10 horns : vandal, heruli, ostrogoth, frank, anglo saxon, lombard, allemani, burgundian, suevi, visigoth
revelation 17:13
they have one purpose that is to give power and authority to the beast
historical checking:
– there are more than 10 tribes in roman empire that time, why east roman didn’t include ???
– visigoth (alaric) attacking roman 410 AD
– vandal attacking roman empire 429 AD
– heruli and odoacer deposing last roman emperor 476 AD
– lombard destroying heruli
seems your 10 horns are to busy attacking each other and attacking roman empire so its contradict with rev 17:13
so you admit not vatican/small horn that subdue 3 horns…vatican only cheerleader ? LOL
so how about 10 european nations after the revival please remember vandals territory are not in europe in fact it is in north africa….of course we are still talking about same beast right? so the 10 horns transformed to another type of horns???—-show me verse to support this claim
your eschatology denied by history unless of course you want to create your own history version….please don’t quote bible verses to satisfy your fantasy.
the beast is islam and the great babylon prostitute is vatican/european community……the beast hate the babylon and will burn her with fire. if you don’t have wisdom at least believe in your eyes and ear….now turn on your tv
You have to remember that this was a vision not a detailed history lesson that Daniel and John was shown. As I said, your list of ten Islamic leaders is cherry picked from many more. You could say the prophecy that the messiah would die on a tree was false since he actually died on a cross.
As I said, the 4 beasts of Daniel and the 2 beasts and two additional kingdoms of Revelation are a complete chain of connected events – a record of future history recorded in advance. And as I said, it is a record of God’s people, not false worshippers. If you don’t get that then you can use your imagination to come up with hundreds of variations and with a bit of clever sorting you can make parts of it seem to fit. But you will never make the entire Book of Revelation fit your theory. I’ve already tried.
You don’t understand rev12 as you can’t relate it to Islam. In prophecy, a woman is always a church and a beast is a kingdom and a king is a nation. So a woman can not be a nation. The woman in white represents the true church just as the whore represents the false church. You can’t talk about one without the other. You just don’t understand the purpose of the Book of Revelation. It is defined in the first three chapters and it has everything with the Christian churches thru the ages and nothing to do with Islam or any other religions.
If you don’t get that then you have no shot at interpreting the book.
note
Israel has always been represented in bible as a woman.
france and america are represented as women.
so a woman could also be a nation
When God refers to ancient Israel as His wife or bride He was referring to the church, not the nation. In any case in prophecy she is always a church. In Revelation you have two woman. One is the false religion – the harlot, so if one is a church, the other must be another, opposing, church. The same is true for a beast. It represents a kingdom, not a person. You can’t mix and match metaphors in the bible especially within the same book or chapter.
So in rev12 the woman is the true church, to oppose the false harlot church. This church starts out as Israel, or more properly Judaism, but after the man child (Jesus) ascends to His throne the woman becomes a remnant of Christianity, the new true church who is persecuted by the harlot throughout the ages. You can’t get a physical nation (soil, etc.) to flee to the wilderness, only the people, who represent God’s church. So no matter how you look at it, we are talking a church, not a nation. Also, at the end of rev12 it speaks of these people having the testimony of Jesus Christ so they can’t be the Jews or Judaism. Are you willing to throw out these words to make your idea fit?
Close enough, right?
revelation 17 :8
the beast you saw
– once was
– NOW IS NOT <—–rome already exist but the beast is not
– will come out of abyss
when john wrote book of revelation roman empire exist but the beast no, this verse automatically cancel your interpretation that the beast is rome.
stop quote bible verses to suit your fantasy
Common mistake…
The beast that is not etc, didn’t exist in Johns time. You must remember that John was in the middle of a Revelation (vision) when he wrote those words… sometime in the future, not his own time. He had mentioned a second beast (Vatican) – a head from the first beast (Holy Roman Empire) which had received a deadly wound. So for a time, that beast that was, was no more, but would rise again. (1939)
You can’t be in the middle of a movie then with a line in the movie jump back to the time that the screenwriter actually was writing the script. You have to stay in the time frame of the movie or in this case a revealing vision.
Until you can understand that, you will always be looking in the wrong place for the wrong things.
“is not” does not = “is”
rev17: …when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
OK, what is John saying here? Is not, yet IS so…. IS NOT apparently does equal IS.
Sounds like something used to be,, then dies, then came back to life.
Like a deadly wound.
take a closer look…it is talking about future,
means it used to exist, but currently does not exist…….
was ( past) is not (current, at time of john) and yet is ( future)
here shows past, present future………
existed in past, does not currently exist, but will exist in future
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rome = “is” at time of john
so beast existed before john, did not exist at time of john, but will exist again in future of john
so beast is not rome, but another empire that existed BEFORE rome
grecian empire existed before rome, did not exist at time of john, but will exist in future
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guess who that is today?
Islamic countries
the muslims have even invaded greece now
You keep inserting the words “at the time of John” but John is speaking of a beast “that thou sawest” in his future vision, not a beast that you read back in the book of Daniel. He did not show us a beast that was Greece. He showed us a ten-headed beast and a beast with two horns of a lamb. Neither of these is Greece.
John never spoke of anything happening in his own time other than the letter to the 7 churches which were not a vision of the future.
You keep wanting to jump back in time from the time of the 2nd beast (6th king) that he is in the middle of discussing, back to 95AD and a whole different set of kingdoms.
Until you figure that out you will be forever lost.
I am not lost at all…..you are
past , present and future tense is something we learn in school as children, and john is using it also
i suggest you begin to understand why he used past , present and future tense in his writings…
you think everything is present tense, but it happens in the future sometime, just because john had a vision OF the future
jim, so now you think 10 horns beast rev 13 is not the same daniel 7 10 horns beast ?
so far i know, time to fullfill 1260 years is from 538-1798 (pope arrested by napoleon) mean the beast wounded so when will he die?and when will revive?
this is very weird eschatology from you:
1. west rome extinct 476 AD
2. 10 tribes nations
3. small horn/vatican subdue 3….538 AD
4. 538 – 1798 – beast wounded because napoleon captured pope
>>> napoleon is french so one horn attacking the small horn..??? any verse to support this?
5.revival….<—when
6. rev 13:5 <—-another 1260 years or just 42 month?
7. when the small horn (vatican) transformed into great babylon prostitute? <—any verse to support this claimed?
8. who/what is second beast of rev 13 ?
how can letters to 7 churches is not about future?? it is written in book of revelation
donai, (from above)
You replied,”so 10 nations of europe which most of them with catholic majority will attack pope/vatican ???? LOL…..what a fantasy….you are very funny jim.“
Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Tools specific to Rev 17:13
Rev 17:13
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
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So you see, the ten nations give their allegiance to the beast (Vatican) at first. But the Vatican will issue the mark of the beast which these nations will be fine with… until they all receive the plagues. After 5 months of agony and with the help of the 2 witnesses, they will come to realize they were deceived and they will turn on the Vatican and destroy her.
And you say this scenario makes no sense? I guess you don’t understand human nature.
Please explain your 10 Muslim nations and how they will join the beast then rebel against it and destroy it.
saint john is not doing time travel stop hallucinating. saint john received visions about what next to come but he still at his own time.
rev 1:19
write therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later
book of revelation is not a movie, some chapter are continuous with next chapter then stop for next prophecy….if you follow prophecy timeline of book revelation you will see those many prophecy actually mixed in time.
beside there is one fatal mistake about john doing time travel theory, below
the beast you saw one was, now is not, will come out of abyss
question here when/where was john when he wrote this verse? – was or now or will- john must be in the middle (now) right? so if john need to “exist” every “time” to see/write about the beast….how can he write about the beast future (come out of abyss) when he still at “now/middle” ??? how can he see the beast attacking her if john not “there” ??
i didn’t make common mistake but you are hallucinating again my friend.
your claimed that 3 horns are heruli, ostrogot and vadal destroyed then new roman kingdom revive……vandal not in europe but in north africa how can you explain this ? the problem is you are confuse about 10 horns (rev 13, 17) and toes (daniel 2) and think actually same thing/prophecy.
10 horns are 10 kings/leaders, toes are nations. rev 17 didn’t mention 10 nations attacking babylon/vatican(europe) but the beast/islam attacking her.
I told you it would be hard to understand.
I never said that John was time traveling, did I?
But he had taken the reader to a time in the future within the prophecy. It is important that we remain there for the entire time. And keep moving forward, not backwards. John was in 95 AD but the prophetic vision was well into the future. There is no reason to back up 1700 years for one verse. And cosider this, he mentions two beasts that are clearly future events, yet you claim he says that after his Rome, there would be only one more. Yet he describes at least two more and mentions two more, the 7th and the 8th which is of the 7th. All in the future… after the Roman empire. So your math doesn’t work.
The fact that one of the three uprooted nations was not in Europe is of no consequence. The 7 remaining nations were in Europe and were part of the Holy Roman Empire. The ten mentioned in the end times will not be the same ten as at the fall of the Roman empire. They will come from the 27 European Union nations of today.
As for rev17:
Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
These are the ten EU nations that give the Vatican its power and recreates a restored Holy Roman Empire.
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Rev 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
The apostate Catholic church will defy the laws of God.
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Rev 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
The 10 nations now turn on the Catholic church, knowing they have been deceived.
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Rev 17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
God’s will is that His laws be obeyed, so the false church must be destroyed.
Note that it is the 10 horns that attack the Vatican, not Islam.
And God must put His will into the hearts of the 10 horns. They would not have done it otherwise. But Islam already wants to kill every Jew and Christian, they do not need God to make them do it. So even if the plagues were not enough incentive to attack their own church, God will force them to do it.
So it remains to be seen if we end up with 10 European or 10 Islamic nations, and what the beast(s) will be. But I’ll bet if 10 Islamic nations do get together they will attack Israel and not the Vatican.
rev 12:17
dragon war enraged to woman and to make war against the rest of her offspring those who obey god’s commandments (israel) and hold testimony of jesus (christian)
>>>> the beast/islam warring christian and jew now as we debating……but european nations attacking christian ???? my interpretation is happening now but yours….not gonna happen
– rev 17:12, 10 horns are ten kings without a kingdom (not kingdoms)
– daniel 7:24 : the 10 horns are 10 kings who will come from this kingdom
only one kingdom with 10 kings/leaders
– daniel 7:17, the four beast are four kingdoms…..
– daniel 7:23, the fourth beast is a fourth kingdom….
did daniel mention 4+10 kingdoms??? no,…..only 4 kingdoms
rev 17:12 …..for one hour will receive authority
now my question if this 10 nations are 10 europe nations how you explain one hour ?? the french, england, spain already exist more than 1 hour they already received authority since i don’t know too long i think.
i never mention about 10 islamic nations, 10 horns are mohamed and his relatives/trusted friends (read my posts). toes (daniel 2) are nations but daniel never mentions about toes attacking jew/christian….stop hallucinating.
too many contradictions in your eschatology
stop quoting bible verses to satisfy your fantasy
gezz i wrote word “daniel” alot even use him as my “name”
You just listed a few of Mohammed’s relatives and successors. There were dozens more you didn’t mention. And you didn’t mention the three that were pulled up by the roots or the little horn who was more stout than its fellows.
The ten horns and the ten toes are the same things just in different form (descriptions).
And Revelation does talk about the ten nations attacking the Vatican beast. The ten are the toes and the horns. They represent the same nations although there are a different ten nations at the end of the prophecy as three of the original nations were plucked up.
As I said, the Muslims have been fighting Christians since day one. God does not have to put it into their hearts to hate the Vatican. This prophecy indicates something unusual. Something new and unusual. Your prophecy has been going on for 1400 years. It is not an end-time prophecy.
If what you say is true then we are already past the seals near the very end of Revelation. But obviously we are not, so obviously you are wrong.
gezz, i already post this twice here are 10 horns and small horn as bonus i will add little to avoid you confuse
10 horns – most trusted and highest rank in early islam military
1. muhamad – founder of islam
2 Abu bakr – first caliph
3 umar – second caliph
4 utman – third caliph
5 ali – fourth caliph
6 hasan – fifth caliph (grandson)
7 husein – second shiah imam (grandson)
8 khalid ibn al walid – greatest general under muhamad
9 Abu ubaidah – trusted friend, commander of rashidun forces
10 jafar bin abi talib – friend of mohamed, brother of ali 4th caliph
>> 10 horns purpose to give power and authority to the beast (rev 17:13) they will rule for one hour that’s 41 years (one prophetic day equal to 1000 years) started 620 (islam perfected when mohamed ascend to heaven-isra mijrad and receive allah order to pray 5 times/day) until 661 when ali,hasan,husein subdue to muawiyah
Small horn: muawiyah – founder of umayah caliphate
after mohamed died he replaced by 4 caliphs, abu bakr, umar both father in law, utman, ali both son in law of mohamed so all blood related to mohamed.
problem arise when utman replaced by ali, muawiyah who’s blood related to utman but not to ali protest said no need blood related to mohamed to rule islam anyone can as long as justified and starting rebellion (first fitna, first internal muslim conflict). in 660 AD muawiyah gain control most of islamic caliphate territory and jan 661 ali died months later ali sons hasan (5th caliph) and husain (2nd imam of shiah) surrender to muawiyah. hasan and husain suffer great humiliation (public cursed) by muawiyah even umayah forces killed husain in karbala and marked conflict sunni vs shiah. new caliphate sytem (non blood/sunni) last for 1260 years from 660 (muawiyah gain control of IC) until 1920 (first meeting of league of nation, fall of ottoman)
7 heads are kings/kingdom, 5 fallen, one is, the other not come (rev 17:10)
1 egypt
2 asiria
3 babylon
4 persia
5 greece
6 rome
7 islamic caliphate – blood related leadership
8 islamic caliphate – non blood related
10 horns and toes are not same thing…..how did you get 10 toes anyway??? only toes not 10 toes —-daniel never mention number of toes
islam is the greatest antichrist that daniel and john mention about, its purpose to challenge/destroy christian and judaism. every muslim believe that islam exist to replace/ cancel judaism and christianity they don’t need to manipulate their quran to kill us, quran order them to do so
why you complaint about 1400 years?? we both know that 1260 years prophecy need to fullfill for the beast
– rev 17:12, 10 horns are ten kings without a kingdom (not kingdoms)
– daniel 7:24 : the 10 horns are 10 kings who will come from this kingdom
only one kingdom with 10 kings/leaders
– daniel 7:17, the four beast are four kingdoms…..
– daniel 7:23, the fourth beast is a fourth kingdom….
did daniel mention 4+10 kingdoms??? no,…..only 4 kingdoms
talking to jim is like talking to brick wall…he ignores what you say
This is confusing.
This is supposed to be end-time prophecy. This crap happened 1400 years ago.
Rev 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
If the whore is the Catholic church or the Vatican when did these Islamic leaders destroy them?
And where do you get 41 years = 1 hour? A day is a year in prophecy, not 1000 years. Otherwise Daniel’s 70 weeks would be half a million years long.
And if the beast is Islam, why didn’t they destroy Islam instead? And how did these ten men give power to the Vatican for 41 years? They never did. And they never destroyed it.
As for your 5 fallen kingdoms you left out the Hittites and the Sumarians. You can’t throw in some without the rest.
The truth is, the only kingdoms that count are those mentioned as beasts by Daniel and John. Daniel spoke of 4 – Babylon, Medo-Persia Greece and Rome. John mentioned two, the first (Holy Roman Empire) and the second (Vatican) He was discussing the Vatican when he noted that there would be one more… a 7th kingdom. At that point (1929) five beasts had fallen (Babylon thru Holy Roman Empire), one was (Vatican) and one more would come (European Union – revived Roman empire). There is no reason to believe John would leave his vision at 1929 and make a statement about his own time, 95AD. Nowhere in any prophecy ever does this happen. Some prophecy will jump to the end-time, but it never goes back to the date it was being written.
By the way, Daniel does mention the 10 toes in the statue. The parts of the statue match the kingdoms spoke of later and the ten horns match the toes. These ten toes also represent the last ten nations that give their power to the Vatican beast, then turn on her and burn her. Note that the stone (Jesus Christ) strikes the toes of the statue at the Second Coming, so there will be ten kings existing at the Second Coming. Your scenario ended 1400 years ago. Jesus can’t destroy ten dead Muslims and why would He?
You can’t seem to differentiate between a beast kingdom and a “king” or nation. The beasts represent “world” kingdoms encompassing many smaller “kings” ruled by the master kingdom. The Holy Roman Empire consisted of a leader (Vatican – little horn) and several member nations. The Vatican became a “kingdom” in 1929 which controlled (spiritually) countries all over the earth. If you can’t discern a nation from a beast kingdom then you will always be tripped up by the language.
As for Islam being the one kingdom with 10 leaders, at the time of Mohammed, he did not lead a worldwide kingdom, only a large band of sand pirates who raided caravans for a living. The 10 rulers you mentioned were long dead before the Ottomam Empire was formed.
Chronological information on the Ottoman Empire:
• Start Date: 1299
• End Date:1923
• Total Duration: 624 years
So the Ottomam Empire only lasted for 624 years, not 1260. There was no other Muslim empire. No Mohhamdan empire. You must make up your own empire with dates that fit the time frame but you will never find those dates in a history of world empires.
And somehow I don’t believe God would prophecy about ten obscure Muslim leaders over a 42 year period which amounted to nothing in the framework of history and had nothing to do with His own church. It seems far to petty and unrelated and certainly not of biblical proportions. Do you really think that modern Christians are supposed to recognise these ten men just by reading the Book of Revelation? God did not write the bible to be a trivia game. Your whole concept is 1% bible and 99% imagination.
And I’ll bet you are the only one here who ever came up with it.
the ottoman empire is reassembling under turkey and muslim brotherhood caliphate, since you are not paying attention
this IS end times and the muslims are still with us. their “head” got healed.
I said ten years ago that a new caliphate would form based in Turkey (Magog) and would fight the war of Ezekiel 38-39. But Islam will not take over the planet and put Obama in charge as you have claimed.
But Islam is the King of the South and will be attacked by the European Union – the King of the North. Actually the King of the North will be the restored Holy Roman Empire under German rule. The man of fierce countenance will be the Holy Roman Emperor and he will come out of modern day Germany. He will unite ten EU nations with the Vatican in order to drive out the Muslims who are overflowing all of Europe now. They will fight religion with religion, head to head.
If you are waiting for the Antichrist to make a 7 year peace pact or for Obama to take over the world you are in for a long wait. There is no way that the Islamic nations, even united could take over the world by force, and they don’t plan to.
ISIS has already said it has no interest in invading the US. They want us to send troops over there so they can fight us on their own turf. But ISIS has a major problem. They operate using stolen equipment. Once air strikes have taken out all of their tanks and track vehicles all they will have left for their army will be pickup trucks and machine guns. Israel alone has enough nukes to wipe out the entire middle east if they chose to do so.
So don’t count on ISIS’s 40,000 men army to take over the rest of the world. You don’t have to be an expert on military history to figure that out. Lbut maybe if ISIS can generate enough YouTube videos and start enough conspiracy theories everyone will think ISIS has taken over the world.
But that’s about the most we can expect from these guys.
you are assuming I have a certain position on issues which I have never stated, then you argue against things i have not said.
ISIS is already in the USA, and intends to destroy it. you miss their public announcements
islamic nations do not see obama as their leader, but as someone who will give them what they want
You’ve been telling me that Obama will not give up the presidency when the time comes. You said he has a secret Muslim army waiting to help keep him in power. You put up a post on Obama’s first administration being the last one for the U.S. You have been arguing this point with me for 7 years. Now that it looks like he will never take over the Antichrist position you want to back out of the discussion?
You still believe Islam will conquer the world, don’t you? Or aren’t you taking a stand on that any more? I have a lot of trouble pinning you down on things especially when it starts to become clear your posts were wrong, as many have been.
I’m holding you to the comment that ISIS is in the U.S. and intends to destroy it. My question now is will they be successful or will our military beat the crap out of them? And you still believe that 80% of Americans will die in FEMA death camps, right? Any day now Jade Helm forces will be dragging us from our homes, right?
Then Nibiru hits and we all die… 😦
So, tell me now, what is Obama’s fate? Lord of the earth or a quiet retirement? Or will he still try to stay in the White House forever?
yes obama said he did not want to give up presidency
I said he was an antichrist figure, like hitler, sadaam hussein and stalin
the last american president was BUSH….obama is not an american, s his presidency is illegal.
islam WANTS o conquer the world and is currently taking over europe……if you read the news, you would know that….
ISIS Does intend to destroy the USA….but you are so lost with you head up your butt that you have no clue what is happening in current events on a daily basis…..the screams “death to america'” are familar to most well read people, but you are not well read or informed….
most people in america will die..yes the government will do it…
nibiru does not “hit”…. it is expected to pass by in space at a distance, but be close enough to cause disturbances on earth.
why dont you ask obama what his fate is…since you work for him?
OK, I’m saving this response for the future so I’ll know what events you are committed to.
In any case, none of what you expect is going to happen. WANTING and INTENDING do not mean it will happen. Hitler INTENDED to take over the world but he failed. How do expect ISIS to do what Hitler could not? Your high expectations are due to your zeal to see prophecy fulfilled but that will not help your case.
So do you expect Obama to give the order for most Americans to die? Or maybe Hillary a few years from now? How about Trump… sounds like he wants to destroy America.
I predict Obama will retire to the lecture circuit and join Bush and Clinton in helping the poor nations of the world. ISIS and Al Qaeda will continue to be a nuisance but will never get big enough to take over any country completely, let alone the world. They will however, still claim Death to America forever.
No American president will ever round up citizens and send them to death camps. We do not vote ruthless dictators into power and we have checks and balances that prevent what you think will happen from ever happening.
And as for Nibiru, nobody is expecting it. Not the scientists and not the You Tube idiots. They all know Nibiru is a hoax. All those sun photographers know there was no visible object in the sky and that it is only a camera effect. Only the gullible fools who believe that their videos are real actually think Nibiru is a real thing. The jokesters that create these videos are all making it up, so they have to know that there is no Nibiru. Otherwise everyone would have the exact same photos and the same orbital diagrams and the same arrival date. But they don’t… a sure sign that they are making it all up.
So lets just wait and see who got it right.
you said
“I predict Obama will retire to the lecture circuit and join Bush and Clinton in helping the poor nations of the world”
that is a big laugh.
I will hold you to that.
obama is already killing people, bengazhi is a good example, as well as seal team 6
your attitude is that ONLY YOU are right about anything, and everyone else is an idiot.
typical of a government troll…but i cannot say that about you, since that would make you an idiot.
I’m only using common sense. GW Bush killed way more people than Obama. Obama is a peacenik and only wants to make every other country like us. His response to the latest ISIS attacks is to send 50 soldiers to Syria. Russia and France among others are the ones doing most of the fighting. As far as Benghazi goes, we got attacked and Obama did nothing at all to help. Didn’t you watch the Benghazi hearings? And seal team six only killed one man we know of. For an Antichrist like Hitler, Obama is doing a terrible job at it. Whoever replaces him next year will probably up the war against Islam to a whole other level.
So what do you expect Obama to do in the future? If he isn’t the real Antichrist, then what will his role be in bible prophecy? He won’t make the 7-year peace plan after he retires and he has shown no interest in doing so while he is in office, so he is not the Antichrist. So what do you expect him to do as an “Antichrist type”? Stay in power as a US dictator then support the real Antichrist when he shows up? Or will his reign of terror be over? Will he join ISIS and lead them to victory?
So far all you’ve said is that he is a type of Hitler and he will refuse to leave office. But to what end? To make sure Obamacare isn’t overturned?
You must have some ideas as to what his plans are. I betting on humanitarian retirement like Clinton and Bush.
What are you betting on?
he supports the muslim brotherhood plan for america
obama’s job is to destroy the country, give away all our money to our enemies, demoralize it, weaken the military, bring in perverts and muslim terrorists to the government ( ,muslim brotherhood already in place), destroy christian influence and values, and make this a nation that kisses muslim butt.
civil unrest will follow all the injustice, and then martial law can be established for good.
this is what his speech was about. he never defends christians, who are being butchered by quran observant muslims, but defends muslims from being “stereotyped,” based on their obvious killing behavior.
the goal of islam is world domination, and obama is committed to this. he is willing to sacrifice christians and jews to obtain this end.
he has stated that defending islam is part of his job as president, even though that kind of role is unconstitutional.
he is the leader of ISIS…and ISIS has vowed jihad on america… his goal is to make their job easier. he supplies them with money and weapons, and gives orders to hold back on attacks against them. putin did a better job in 24 hours than obama did all year
this will destroy america, break it down, and give the new world order a place as new ruler. america is “gone”
you should know all this, as you are his supporter.
I am just an observer of his behavior….I am not politically active against him.
I know god allowed this creature to take over america, because this is what america wants and voted for….america voted for its own destruction. it has become a cesspool of filth, murder, corruption and rebellion against god.
as god punished israel by the sword, pestilance and disease, so he will do the same thing to america…..
I wont pray for america in general, because it is too late. I will only pray for the righteous to be protected from the wrath that will hit the country because of its sins.
notice also the plan to remove guns from american citizens, so they cannot defend themselves against terror attacks,
that is his goal also
According to some, Islam has already taken over the world, they just don’t realize it yet. So when will Obama stop bombing ISIS and start bombing US cities? He seems to be doing the opposite of what you claim… killing Christians and Jews.
I just saw a report that says under the Obama administration we have killed 23,000 ISIS soldiers and leaders. It doesn’t seem that Obama is on the side of the Muslims. And yesterday he asked congress to declare war on ISIS, so he is more like Roosevelt than Hitler.
I remember when I was a kid some people thought the Mafia would soon take over the country. They seemed to control every major city and had all the politicians in their pockets. So what happened to organized crime? Maybe they did take over and if so, ISIS will have to wrestle control from the Italian mob before going any further.
Hell, forget radical Islam, we have radical cops who will shoot any black or Muslim that crosses their path.
So I think Americans can protect themselves from Islam if and when push comes to shove. Just recall what we did with the US Japanese when we were attacked on this day in 1941. We will end up sending Muslims to death camps, not Americans. Maybe you are ready to give up and surrender to Islam, but the vast majority of Americans will turn and fight.
We are not the wimps you take us for.
most americans ARE wimps…the are politically correct, and will submit to anything.
our coward in chief was apologizing for muslims in his speech…..he did not want us to stereotype muslims based on their behavior or the quran, which demands violence.
USA has not been bombing ISIS, which is why it was spreading until Putin stepped in..coward in chief was ordering supplies for ISIS and to hold back bombings…..so i scoff at white house “statistics”
obama is a muslim, and only communists, aetheist,s and muslims are allowed in his administration.
born again christians are not allowed to be on staff
valerie jarrett, is top advisor, and a strong muslim, declaring USA will be taken for Islam.
Egypt’s Rose El-Youssef magazine, which asserted that six highly-placed Muslim Brotherhood infiltrators within the Obama administration had transformed the United States “from a position hostile to Islamic groups and organizations in the world to the largest and most important supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.”
According to the Investigative Project, “the six muslim advisors on staff include:
Arif Alikhan, assistant secretary of Homeland Security for policy development;
Mohammed Elibiary, a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council;
Rashad Hussain, the U.S. special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference;
Salam al-Marayati, co-founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC);
Imam Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA); and
Eboo Patel, a member of President Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships.
also
Huma Mahmood Abedin is a top aid and advisor to Hillary clinton.
these muslims are directing policy and national reform. we now teach Islam to school children….Christianity is forbidden
but I do agree islam will not take over the country because even though they will cause lots of damage and terror, God will destroy this country before they get a chance to take over…
this is because
1. this country is his, and he is not letting anyone else have it
2. islam is offensive to god
I gave you some links of bridgett gabriel discussing the islamic goals of taking over the USA… you should watch them
one prophetic day could means a year or a thousand years….i use both calculation ( 1260 years and 41 years). unless you use both you also be confused. daniel 70 weeks use one day per year no question about it.
– how can you explain one hour in rev 17 then?
i only choose ancient empire that ever controlled jerusalem/canaan (the promise land) region and since hittites or sumerian never reached there they didn’t included.
– which part of daniel 2 verse mention about 10 toes ???? only toes not 10 toes
– ten europe nations already exist for more than one hour now, how you explain this ???
mohamed and his liutenant already dead but they successfully gave power and authority to the beast/islam and look islam spread everywhere because of them.
i’m not talking about ottoman only but the system (sunni caliphates), since the first sunni caliphate- umayah until the last ottoman system last for 1260 years. although artaturk establish new turkey in 1924 but ottoman already defeated before, 1920 mention because that’s the year league of nation held first meeting also marking official end of ww1.
the angel in book revelation said 10 horn are 10 kings (basileis – greek word) not 10 kingdoms (basileian) and will rule as basileis/kings. if you read rev 17 :12 from original greek then you will see not 10 nations but 10 kings….this is not free interpretation you know….don’t hallucinating.
my interpretation
– beast is islam
– great babylon prostitute is vatican/rome (european union)
>>> islam will attack europe
my interpretation is happening now
your interpretation
– the beast is new roman/european nations ???
– great babylon is vatican/catholic
>>>> catholic nations attacking vatican ???
my interpretation is happening now…..yours? never gonna happen
a day equal 1000 years (2 peter 3:8) so 1 hour is 1000/24= 41 years
1. when will islam destroying vatican/rome (european union) ?
>> i don’t know exact time when it started but it is in progress now…..need one hour / 41 years (rev 18:10) to destroy great babylon.
2. islam destroying islam ?? i never mention that….please show quotation if i ever wrote that
3. 10 mens give power to vatican ?? i never mention that…show my quotation if i ever wrote that
i don’t understand your logic, are you playing stupid here?
Finally, some insight into this that makes my spirit say truth.
you can google about islamic history start with word rashidun caliphate.
you will find similarity islam/allah with the beast and most interestingly it is support with history, you don’t need hypothetical assumption to disclose the beast just read history……it is very clear who is the beast
i can tell that you are smart and full with curiosity person.
There are two beasts and a woman (church) that rides the second beast. You quote only one beast – Islam. And if the church is the Catholic church then how does that church ride (control) the Islamic beast?
Islam has been fighting Christians for far more than 41 years. And rev17 claims the same ten kings who give their power to the beast for one hour will turn on the beast/woman and burn her. This never happened between Islam and the Catholic church. And don’t get too technical about kings. Islam has never had a king and there are fewer than ten kings left on earth which would make a literal interpretation impossible. Plus you can‘t be serious that the Catholic church will be destroyed by ten people with no help from their nations. King includes their kingdom or country. John did not know the titles of President or Prime Minister, so he used King as the leader.
The caliphate that is now forming may become the one that fights the war of Gog. They will attack Israel, not Rome. God is saving Islam for Ezekiel’s prophecy, not Revelation.
As for the toes, Daniel discusses the statue first, then later goes into the details of the prophecy. The statue was of a man, so we must assume it is not a freakaziod with something other than ten toes. And this is confirmed later in the prophecy when he describes the ten horns after discussing the upper parts of the statue.
You said you didn’t include the Hittites or the Sumarians because they never controlled the region where God’s people lived. That is correct, as I said before. The bible is only concerned about those knigdoms that control His people. After 34AD, theses people are the Christians, who were controlled by Rome, then the Holy Roman Empire and now the Vatican (for the most part). Islam has never controlled God’s people, therefore they cannot be considered in prophecy. The Book of Revelation is all about Christianity and how it has gone astray. It isn’t about other people who wish to destroy the church. It is about the church itself and why it must be cleansed before Christ marries it when He returns.Just as Jeremiah warned the Jews that if they refused to honor the Sabbath they would be punished, the Book of Revelation warns Christians of the great whore church that controls most of them and pleads for them to come out of her. He sends the plagues to punish those who do not come out and these are the people who eventually realize their error and attack their own church. It says God will put it into their hearts to hate the Vatican beast, so that is why Catholics will attack the Vatican. You think it can never happen, yet it is the will of God. You can’t argue with that.
Well, you could… but you’d be wrong.
you are trying to force fit your interpretations into his views…
bible says the woman is a city, not a church… rev 17:18
A woman in prophecy always represents a church – a potential bride of Christ. There are 2 women in Revelation the great whore apostate church the the true church (woman clothed in the sun). Either they are both churches or they are both nations, but we know nations are referred to beasts or kings. You can’t mix metaphors in the same prophecy. Just read what happens to the woman in rev12. She is hidden in the wilderness for 1260 years then protected for 3-1/2 years during the tribulation.
You can’t hide a country or even a city. Rev12 only makes sense if the woman is God’s peoples – His church.
so marry and joseph were christians ???
rev 12 woman is israel/judaism, crown of 12 stars represent 12 tribes of israel. jesus born from israel/judaism not from church/christian.
rev12 is about the true church(es). It started with Judaism until Christ was born. The 12 stars represent both the 12 tribes of Judaism and the 12 apostles of Christianity. It clearly shows the transition from one to the other. It heralds the change in beasts from those who controlled the Jews to those who controlled the Christians. It is placed just prior to the beasts which controlled the Catholic church. It provides a reference for the rest of the book. If you think the woman is Israel, then the chapter makes no sense and is superfluous to the rest of the book. You seem perfectly happy with that. You aren’t bothered when your interpretation doesn’t make much sense or can’t be accomplished. It seems enough to have figured it out and now just wait for it to happen like magic.
Sorry but us engineers don’t think that way.
throughout the OT, Israel was already the woman..so saying the woman was “always” a church is incorrect.
Israel was not the woman, it was the people in it. God isn’t going to marry a city or a country. He will marry a church. The Book of Revelation is about the return of Christ and the marriage to the true church. If you can’t find the true church in the Book of Revelation then you aren’t in it.
the beast is the woman ??? i don’t think so
in the book of daniel beasts represent pagan kingdom (non believer) not chosen people/believer so beast in book revelation also pagan power. if you read my post i mention second beast – rev 13 by each verse
war against terrorist started not so long ago…this is 41 year islamic war against the great babylon.
several coordinated terrorists can attack world trade centre for sure they can smuggle a nuclear bomb into rome, with so many muslim in europe this kind of attack is possible. kazakthan the biggest uranium producer is muslim country.
actually with help from google we can predict when great babylon will be destroyed. below list of possible year
1. iran revolution 1979 + 41 = 2020
2. alqaeda founded 1988 + 41 = 2029/30
3 .isis founded 1999 + 41 = 2040/41
4. 911 attack 2001 + 41 = 2043
5. second gulf war 2003 + 41 = 2044/2045
of course above list could be totally wrong…it is just prediction.
why vatican/rome (european community) sit on the beast 7 heads ?
>> 7 heads are 7 mountains/hills ( oros/ore can be translated as mountain or hill) represent istanbul city of 7 hills which turkey is a member of european community.
The beast is not the woman, the woman rides and controls the beast. The 2nd beast is the Vatican, which the Catholic church rides. The first beast (Holy Roman Empire) is gone. (One of the five fallen).
Rome is the city of seven hills. It is the headquarters for the largest Christian church. Istanbul is not the headquaters of Islam. Mecca is.
If ISIS had a nuke they would use it on Israel, not Rome.
You have the whore (Catholic church) controlling an end-time Islamic empire (beast 2). But it only rides the Vatican, not Islam.
Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
OK, so who are these 10 kings (kingdoms, eventually) and what beast do they get their power from? You listed several starting dates so they must have power right now if the 41 years have begun. So it should be clear who these ten kings are.
Care to list them?
And if you can’t pick out which event started the 41 years then it hasn’t happened yet. When it happens it will be of biblical proportions and every bible reader should recognise it. Like the 2 witnesses appearing or the abomination of desolation.
In any case I don’t buy the whole 41 years. If a day = a year then one hour would only be 15 days. But most bible commentators I’ve read agree it is the same as the phrase “a short space” used elsewhere in Revelation and simply means some indeterminate but relatively short time.
Plus the events you listed were just Muslim attacks. There is nothing there that shows that ten kings received power from your beast on those dates. What should be obvious to any bible reader is completely obscured and the verses don’t ring true.
are you stupid or what?? i already gave you name of 10 kings (mohamed and his relative/trusted friends) their era is from 620 AD – 661 AD. they already gave power to the beast long time ago.
your 15 days calculation is absurd since 10 european nations already exist centuries ago.
catholic nations attacking vatican ??? use your logic
you said the beast is the woman now you said it is not….whats wrong with you ???
i never said great babylon control the beast, she sit on 7 hills/istanbul just because turkey member of EC. the beast is islam not just turkey.
seems illogical 7th day adventist eschatology wreak your brain. i am done here.
you can continue your fantasy now.
daniel 2 statue is man statue but there is no 10 toes only toes, how many toes ? i don’t know
your assumption 10 toes because it is “a normal man” but which normal man head are made of gold ?
angel said toes are nations, 10 horns are kings and you are no angel, william miller no angel, ellen g white no angel.
Fuck i slam. Fuck i scam. Fuck moe the fucking hoe. Fuck the whoran. Fuck mecca. Fuck it!
What, you have sexual anxieties?
no he just has to live with these people
Control your word choice please. It is primitive.
true
this is the first time he has talked that way
“f*ck” is the word you need to defend 7 sacraments ?! how weird…
Fuck i slam. Fuck i scam. Fuck boe the fucking hoe. Fuck the whazif. Fuck medina. Fuck it!
Ok. I change Fuck to Hate. Childrens are crucified in Syria and Iraq because we are Christians. Women are raped and killed because we are Christians. Men are even tortured and killed because we are Christians.
I had enough of i slam aka i scam.
hahahahahahhahaha how IGNORANT. you think you’re backing up your bullshit with the so-called quran verses you got?? go get yourself an actual quran hopefully it’ll make you grow. it’s because of people like YOU that we have terrorists in the world. sick mentality. and don’t come shamming Islam just because there are small groups out of the 1.6 BILLION muslims all over the world that are as twisted as you are. unless you would prefer people generalizing Christianity as per KKK actions… lol
sara
thank you for exposing yourself as violent.
we are acquainted with quaran….and verses that support your mentality. muslims either wage jihad or support those who do.
I pray you get saved by the salvation of jesus
If it is al-Coran, how much worse is al-Azif!
Dear Marianne, so far jihad as it is reported by media is only organised and supported by zionism as this American General explains it very well : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojcoKnTGf4s
The chief of ISIS is a mossad trained zionist ! So don’t say again Islam is a religion of violence. Just stick to the Bible which clearly says how zionists behave. This is what everyone can witness today in the world.
So now, PLS come back on earth ! 666 the mark of the Beast is a Bible stuff, it is written in the Bible. Moreover the explaination given by John is “the intelligence is to understand that number” so PLS once again come back and use your intelligence (not your heart for one time)
Finaly, why don’t you remind everyone that Jesus was calling God “Allaha” in his own mother tongue ? http://www.v-a.com/bible/AAC/
Allah = Allaha = 66 according std Gematria.
Thanks.
obama is chief of ISIS
jesus called “god” either elohim, yahweh or “father”
islam as violent is demonstrated here:
finally quran says you can lie to me……
imam says violence is justified
islam is NOT a religion of peace…imam admits this
This “Imam” just like most of you commenting, knows nothing of Islam.
We are told if we even hurt an innocent non Muslim we will not even get to smell heaven. We have riles of engagement.
Do not destroy agriculture or infrastructure
Do not destroy buildings especially schools hospitals churches or synagogues
Do not harm women children the elderly or the sick.
Do not mistreat or humiliate prisoners of war (they have rights too).
This Imam has been employed by MI6 to talk bull crap.
muslim will smell heaven ???
mohamed said islam will be divided into 73 sects and only 1 sect will go to heaven the rest 72 will go to hell.
why believe a religion that most likely send his people to hell ???
donal
I did not know that. where does it say that?
from hadit, just google it
if you try to read koran then you will cofuse, it is not narrative like bible.
jesus know aramaic but his tongue language is hebrew. marry mother of jesus is descendant of levi tribe (only levi tribe descendant allow to become rabbi ). so as a levi marry must teach jesus hebrew.
just because there are several aram word in bible doesn’t mean they all use aramaic. just because many american love dimsum (china) or sushi (japan) it doesn’t mean they all speak canton or japanese.
just as british speak english, jew will speak hebrew. jesus called god as eloi ( in hebrew, EL mean god while alah means cursed) so there is no way jesus will called god as alah
Well, I am sorry to say but Our Prophet Mohhamud’s wife was 15 years older than him. A child rapist, Our Prophet, Soubhana Mohhamud?? Not possible.
Maureen Taqiyya
You know that aischa said Moe the fucking hoe married her when she was six years old according to hadiths. You are not allowed to change or erase her scriptures.
We can read today so you cant fool us. Try to contact Michael J Fox and go back 1000 years and maybe you will fool someone then.
maureen
you do not know much about your religion or your prophet.
I suggest you get away from this deception and find God, and the savior Jesus in your life.
your ignorance puts you in great danger.
Muhammad married a 7 yr old girl and raped her at 9. What’s her name?
Muhammad murdered and raped most of his adult life. That’s perfect for you.
First of all. Yehoshua spoke Aramaic. Hashem in Aramaic is Allaho. Arabic language comes from Aramaic. Arabs copied the name and removed o and said allah. It does not mean we have the same God. Muslims allah is satan.Yehoshuas allaho is God.
you will not find bible verse jesus called god as allaha (aramaic) but ELOI (hebrew). jesus understand many languages but his tongue languages was hebrew because marry was levi tribe descendant. there is no way jesus called god as alah because it means cursed in hebrew.
– jesus teach in synagogue for sure he used hebrew
– jesus speak to sanhedrin and sanhedrin only speak hebrew
– jesus speak to pharisee/saduce they also speak hebrew
– marry was levi descendant who speak hebrew
Danal
We Syriacs (Aramaic) and Assyrians speak Syriac which is based on Aramaic. Some of us speak pure Aramaic. Thoose who speak pure Aramaic understands when people speak Hebrew and Hebrew speaking people understands thoose who speaks pure Aramaic. When I was in new york my friends spooke Aramaic and one Jewish girl came to us and said why do you pretend to know hebrew. I only undertand 2 out of 3 words you say.
It is documented that Yehoshua spoke Aramaic. The idiot Mel Gibson made a movie about Yehoshuas last days. They spooke Aramaic in that movie just to get the right picture of the situation.
Aramaic and Hebrew was closer language to each other 2000 years ago. The language develops to different directions.
Virgin Mary was not fromm the tribe off Levi. She was descendent from Juda. Acctualy from the bastard blood Er. Tamar had children with Juda without being married to Juda so the children was bastards. Juda had Perez, Peres had Hezron…..till Virgin Mary. Matthew 1. We know that it should say Virgin Marys geneology in Matthew 1 and not Yosephs but we are not allowed to change anything.
Not Allaha, Allaho!
dafender
marry was from levi and judah. if she wasn’t from levi then how can jesus called rabbi ?
real document would be bible and bible imply that jesus speak hebrew. there is no way jesus speak aramaic inside synagoge.
if you believed based on what hollywood tells you then you have to start to believe moses speak english.
Danal
Yehoshua is highpriest always even if he will be born outside the hebrew family. Psalm 110 and Hebrewletter.
Hollywood made reserch and it is well documented that he spooke Aramaic. Yehoshua spoke with a Fenic/Syriac woman in Nt and we speak Aramaic. People in Galile was surprised that someone that claimed to be HaMoshiach had the same accent in the language that was spooken in Galile. Aramaic just sounded as another accent then Hebrew 2000 yeras ago.
but in fact jesus was from jewish family so unless he was from levy tribe there is no way he can teach at synagoge. order of melchizedek means jesus will be king-priest of his people (christian) while levy blood priest only for jew religion, melchizedek was king-priest (to his people) even before levy tribe exist.
jesus know many languages but his tongue language was hebrew. every jew consider hebrew as first language on earth, the idea that most jewish speak aramaic during christ era refute by discovery of death sea scroll which was written in hebrew. talmud also give evidences that 2nd/3rd century israel still using hebrew daily basis.
jesus tongue language aramaic only propaganda it was illogical, lack of evidences and historically error.
Donal
HaMoshiach shall come from king Dovids blood. Dovid was from Yehuda-Perez………..Dovid. It seems you havent read the Bible. Yehosua is calles son of Dovid many times in NT.
jesus was from judah and levy. mixed married happened between jewish tribes. jesus will not be called rabbi or allowed to teach in synagoge unless he was levy….use your logic.
Whoran (quran) 3:54, 8:30 allah is the best of deceivers
Revelation 12:9 satan is the deceiver of the world.
Simple math = The same angel
I know soon muslims will burn in hell with satan.
Jesus will have mercy on whom he wishes. You don’t know what is in a persons heart, or the way they have been brain washed.
Grow up and get a job.
Leathern
Read Rev 21:8. I slam aka i scam is idolatry and idolatrers will burn in hell (lake of fire and brimstone) according to that verse.
Hey pal,
It is written Christ will have mercy on whom he shall have mercy. Islam is pagan. But, a lot of folks grow up in it do not know about Christ. However, G-d knows their heart. You do not.
Do you understand now?
Leatherneck
That’s your own interpretations. I follow NT. You got a verse about what will happen with i slam aka i scam members. You can get one more. Matthew 13: 38-42
38 Now the field is the world. And the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom. But the weeds are the sons of wickedness.
39 So the enemy who sowed them is the devil. And truly, the harvest is the consummation of the age; while the reapers are the Angels.
40 Therefore, just as weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the consummation of the age.
41 The Son of man shall send out his Angels, and they shall gather from his kingdom all who lead astray and those who work iniquity.
42 And he shall cast them into the furnace of fire, where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
They will burn in hell according to this verse also.
Whazif (azif) 3:54, 8:30 allah is the best of deceivers
Revelation 12:9 satan is the deceiver of the world.
Simple math = The same angel
I know soon muslims will burn in hell with satan.
mohamed said (hadit) my people will last only for 1500 years. now 1437 hijriah calendar, islam will exist for another 63 years.
Mo the hoe is a false prophet. I slam aka i scam will not last for 63 more years. Whoran aka quran says in the end everybody will be muslims also. At the same time you say you will only last 63 more years. America,Europa, Halv Africa, Much of Asia etc will not be muslims. We will rather die then convert. I slam is false. One verse in the whoran says everybody must be Christians. Another verse says everybody will be muslims. Whoran is psychoses.
Absolute bullshit read the quran there are English translated ones. Muslims do not believe in numerology of symbology. This muppet is counting on you not reading it for yourself. This website is designed to keep all the believers of GOD separated segregated at war with each other I think they call it devide and conqure. Only Satan would prefer war over friendship. Believers of whatever religion we have one big thing in common GOD so let’s stick together.
it is not about numerology
read the post
the 666 letters in greek read bismallah
Allah himself admits that he is not the Christian prophets God!
Koran 3:84
Say: ‘We believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their descendants, and that which was revealed to Moses and Jesus, and [all the other] prophets by their Lord; we make no distinction between them. And we bow to Him. ”
We do not have same God according to koran and the Bible
Their Lord tells the verse and not our Lord.
quran is saying there that allah is god of old testament and the god of jesus…..so it IS saying it is the same god
however, we disagree…..because if it were the same god, allah would not command to kill christians and jews
That verse tells the opposite. The verse says THEIR LORD and not our Lord.
ok
The god of the Koran and the God of the Bible are not the same God. The god of islam is satan. an antichrist.
stop comparing the lord with Mohammad please.
stop comparing the lord with Buphammad please.
marianne, finally i understand no one able to buy or sell unless he has mark of the beast, it is coins use for transaction in caliphate era. they used coins with inscription ‘allah’.
donal
I guess we will find out soon
So we will have to keep our coins in our right hands or foreheads? Paydays will be a bitch carrying two weeks wages in coins on our heads.
Well, first Islam must conquer the world, then change over the world currency system, then mint a trillion coins and pass them out around the earth.
Then we will see if they are the mark of the beast.
Hello all! The Quran has the tendency to pull the wool over it’s adherents eyes. The Bible is very explicit regarding the 666 and no other explanation is needed. Our Jesus is only a Prophet in their meaning, and Mohammed is the last great Prophet, Ha! We should not even try to compare the two. Jesus, THE SON OF GOD said that many false Prophets would come after him,and Mr.Mohammed definitely falls into this catergory. And because Jesus IS NOT A LIAR, ALL THINGS written in our Holy Bible will come to pass. Not some book where events have been contrived to image one so called ‘prophet’s opinion to elevate himself above The Almighty’s ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Ask God, He’ll tell you….§
amen
Abdul Rahman
sin is sin, no matter who does it.
children are not sexual beings yet. this does not occur until puberty
to rob a child of its innocence is sexual perversion.
you are looking at this as what age does a mature man have a right to have sex with whomever he chooses.
you should be looking at this as what age does a child still have a right to be a child, and not be forced into sex slavery with a man.
children do not have any choice…this is forced on them
there are many cases of girls dying on their wedding night because the man was such a sick dog he abused her sexually until she died.
God chose puberty as the time for a child to START becoming an adult, and for the child to START thinking about love and who they want.
if he intended children to become adults at 6 years old he would have started puberty then.
child marriage violates the will of God.
men in their sick, nasty perverted demonic lust cannot chose a mature woman, who may or may not want them.
men in their lust have to have children to violate and destroy
they are low life animals, in the eyes of God
this also shows that men with child brides are too undesirable as men to find a real women, so they victimize children
men who marry children should be executed, as they are predators, not real men.
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Chris,
OUCH! Don’t you know that all caps makes text very hard to read? Also sounds like you are trying to shout the message. I hope your web site isn’t the same.
As for your 666 theory, if find it too contrived and too connected to English language to be a universal bible message. And flipping text or numbers upside down or inside out is not something the bible expects its readers to have to do in order to understand scripture.
And the whole gold purity argument is arbitrary. Much gold is measured in karats and most pure gold is .999 or less. And I don’t know where you get the 4th digit out of the mark of the beast. And are you trying to say that gold or money is the mark of the beast? So if you’ve got a couple of bucks in your wallet you’ve got the mark of the beast?
I really can’t make much sense of your concept. I think you think you have discovered some great truth that few others realize but I don’t think you are on the right track.
Who is the beast and what is the mark? You seem to skirt the issue here. Maybe we need more info. But please… NOT IN ALL CAPS!
maybe he is from nibiru 🙂
maybe he is from sumialdebaran
you should read this instead
https://goo.gl/photos/5VqVEMZBay4GA14A6
Revelation 13:18 says: “This is where wisdom is needed; those who understand should count the number of the Beast, for it is the number of a person, and it’s number is 666. In Revelations it talks about the rise of the Beast, but says it is the person and it’s number is 666. The rise of the beast is the birth of the person who is the Beast. This Person is very powerful and when he comes around mostly everyone bows down to him. Guess Who?…Pope Francis, who was born in 1936. This Beast rise in ’36 Revelations says count the numbers
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36=666
We all understand that the Quran is written from the Great Blasphemer, Mephistophele’s direction. Christian’s understand what lies ahead of us. It’s sad that so many on this Earth will not read the absolute Truth from our Bible. So, it’s to THEIR peril that they have chosen THEIR FATE. We’ve been patient and nice trying to get THE WORD to them,but their eyes are blinded and their ears are deaf. One day they’ll say,’IF ONLY’. But it’ll all be too late….§
There are so many anomalies that are written in the Quran. The Moslem hate the Jew and Christian alike. Let Islam have their take on the 666. We understand that it’s the number of ‘the beast.’ The moslem ‘with Satan’ as their god will approach EVERYTHING which is anti Jesus as the son of the true God. They acknowledge Jesus to be a Major Prophet. If so, then why would one of their Major Prophets lie by saying that he is the son of God? Fickle people under illusions and being betrayed by the ‘Moon God’ Lucifer. Were they born stupid or did they work at it?
people choose what they want to believe. and they believe contradictions
We all understand that the Azif is written from the Great Blasphemer, Mephistophele’s direction. Christian’s understand what lies ahead of us. It’s sad that so many on this Earth will not read the absolute Truth from our Bible. So, it’s to THEIR peril that they have chosen THEIR FATE. We’ve been patient and nice trying to get THE WORD to them,but their eyes are blinded and their ears are deaf. One day they’ll say,’IF ONLY’. But it’ll all be too late…
A lot of people under the yolk of Islam are forced to believe one way. Not all humans have the strength to fight back.
The American Federal government is helping the spread of Islam to the world. Islam plays it;s role in creating chaos well. Chaos brings change.
thanks to bozo….
http://shoebat.com/2015/11/04/homosexuals-in-the-military-are-raping-and-molesting-tens-of-thousands-of-american-soldiers-in-just-one-year-the-homosexuals-have-raped-57750-american-soldiers-if-you-support-the-troops-then-fight/
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/11/u-s-army-makes-soldiers-culturally-literate-about-islam/
Brothers,
If any thing discussing here, Bible is truth or Quran is truth. Please let me inform if the Reserve Bank of any government print their currency first in duplicate? As I am aware, original will come out first and duplicate may print the “defaulters” latest.
The heavenly Government published the ORIGINAL first and 625 years to take for the duplicate……………..
God bless a good mentality to understand. Read Ezekiel 36:26.
Have a blessed day.
liar!!!!there is no 666 script in Islam and represent nothing so stop this lie propaganda against Islam.
You wish to impress people with your so called scientific approach while your approach has nothing to do with science.
You can place as many formulas as you please, as long as you start with a desired result and work backwards you can prove any fantasy to be true.
You stand a better chance proving harry Potter as a reality.
Y’all are being taken for bullshit ride world wide as the evil people who do not care step all over and kill everybody, Babylon is a system built around the worship of the loser natural born prostitute harlots who have only WANT and are incapable of caring, even for children they bear, and they have their super white knights backing them up as they guilt trip and rob you blind. You trust what others tell you, and never seek for yourselves, and that is already the Cain lines downfall and the whores as well. 666, lol, try the cunts don’t want to actually work and have twisted their self deluded lies unto you all and since I set it all up on the care if the old woman and they’re snide rude stupid harlots as well, now it will all be taken away. Blame the whores and their whiny faggots they label ‘men’ and all the little girl playground games grey play American women are the world’s evil along with all the alyih cunts, lol, they want to ban science because they’re lazy, have no respect, just expect, and lie cheat steal and kill and lie some more. At least Germany didn’t kowtow to the inbred psychotic brainless dumb whores guilt trips, and that’s what really happened, but ahhh… you’re not supposed to actually learn anything or care so grey can keep doing what they do. Bunch of guilt trip whores as soon as they were born, dirty hookers with no care or conscience, just want is what they are. Hats off to real women and men. Fuck the whores and manginas.
alpha
you sound like a man who rapes women, because you hate them
You appear to be an idiot.
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#Islam is Lame isLam(e).No one said God has a son. son of God is God’s manifest as Man. GOd became human to die for us cause as Spirit God can’t die. All u see in quran.. Is assumptions.a book of assumptions is from Satan not God Almighty.AALAH/ gOD WANNABE the “ALLKOWING ’ (UNKNOWING) doesn’t know or he forgot to mention what son of God is or he doesn’t want to spoil HIS COVER AND SHOW EVERYONE WHAT A BIG FRAUD he is..‘no one has argument against scripture God’s fulfilled words. Not even ur Allah Satan God wannabe
Islam =Satan Coming to fool people after his fall, that Torah is corrupt and and blabla , that God’s word is ’’not FULFILLED” when ACTUALLY IT IS. which is Impossible bcz Only God can say and keep His word
No one has argument against God’s fulfilled words in scripture. Repent while u can.satan wants to be
worshipped as God so he created islam
Islam is not from God never will be. We all know God answers to those who seek Him
A dead God wannabe can’t answer prayers
Only Jesus can. jesus said : ask anything in any name I will do it ❤
#islamisajoke #hilarious #exmuslimbecause#bookofplagiarism #demonicinfluenced#falseprophet Islam #EXPOSED #lies #life#God #satan #BIBLE #PROPHECY#MakeNoMistakeJesusIsGod #falseideology#hell #eternity
Allah is dismissed he is confused on what son of God is
THERE’S NO TRINITY, Father, SON, HOLY SPIRIT IS JEUS’S MANIFEST 🙂 all God is
NOT THREE PERSONS, three titles, God is a father, SON AND HOLY HE IS HOLY HOLY HOLY , AND A SPIRIT. ONE GOD MANIFESTED AS MAN.as JESUS.
#FATAL #ERROR OF #QURAN.
No one said there’s three. one God in flesh
MUSLIMS #READ :
“But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have
not commanded him to speak … that prophet shall die.”
~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20)[1]
MUSLIMS READ:
:
“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)[2]
Jesus killed Muhamad through a Jewish woman. Because he was a false prophet. God said He will poison false prophets Jeremiah 23:15. And Muhammad died of poison. Allah/ Satan said that if Muhammad said something false he will cut his aorta: )
Who killed Muhamad
All atheists, Do a demo and form by yourself without Jesus creating u, we all WAITING <3
#teamJesus #vs #teamLucifer
When the numbers below are added up as follows:
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36.
These numbers will all equal 666.
666 is a solar number.
The numbers 6, 60, 66, 660, 666 and 6666 are all solar numbers and are connected with the circle and its six-fold geometry.
In Arabic numerology, the Arabic word “Allah” has the numerical value of 66, a solar number making Allah a sun-gOd.
The number 36 is the 36 quadrants or 36 decans of the sun’s zodiac.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decans
Arabic Numerology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad_numerals
Hebrew Numerology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria
Greek Numerology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopsephy
Numerology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology
Indont think the devil has a number because allah is all even shaytaarn comes from allah. Shaytaarn has no power except with allah so why would he have a number. I think that is one of his great deceits. 6 upside down is 9 and 9 is the largest single number in the world. Allah is 1 to 9 . 0 is also allah because it is infinity and allah is beginning and end,which makes allah every number imaginable.from 1 to 666 (6+6+6=18,1+8=9) allah is all numbers shaytarn is powerless to assign him a number would be giving him omnipotence like allah. Allah created numbers words speech. He is every number imaginable. Follow me on twitter @shadowbusiness i also rap youtube shadow blaize. Thanks salaam.
In ancient Arabic numerology, the Arabic word “Allah” has the numerical value of 66, the number 66 is a solar number.
The numbers 6, 60, 66, 660, 666 and 6666 are solar numbers and are connected with the 360 degree circle of the sun’s zodiac and it’s six-fold geometry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-dimensional_space#Geometry
Many Muslims also use the number 786, this comes from Arabic numerology, each Arabic letter in the alphabet has a unique numerical value.
The Arabic phrase “Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem” adds up to “786” in Arabic numerology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basmala#Numerology
Arabic Numerology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad_numerals
The Arabic words, الله and اللات means The God and The Goddess, Allah is derived from Al Illah and Allat is derived from Al Illat, the Arabic letter “ha” at the end of the Arabic word “Allah” indicates masculine while the Arabic letter “ta” at the end of the Arabic word “Allat” indicates feminine.
Allah is a sun-gOd and Allat the wife of Allah is a moon-gOddess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_alphabet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Lat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_%28letter%29#Arabic_h.C4.81.CA.BE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taw#Arabic_t.C4.81.CA.BC
Many religious people fail to understand the truth of religion because they have no understanding of sun-gOds, Sun Worship, Comparative Religion, Mythology, Etymology, Geometry, Numerology, Symbology and Astronomy.
interesting about the end of the word to show masculine and feminine
Yes it’s definitely interesting, all Semitic languages are like that including Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic etc.
As a person who can read, write, speak and understand Arabic I also find the grammar of Arabic extremely rich making the language very connected and full of strong meaning. 🙂
you forget to mention that Jesus was saying ALLAHA to mention God in his own mother tongue.
Allah is not masculine or feminine. Al-lat belongs to pre-islamic belief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad_numerals arabic alphabet allows to go up to 1000 in gematria, thanks to its 28 letters
jesus spoke hebrew and aramaic
It is generally agreed that Jesus and his disciples primarily spoke Aramaic
Jesus didn’t speak Hebrew or Aramaic.
john
what language do you think jesus spoke then?
latin?
fyi, as a jew, he would have been taught hebrew and aramaic so he could read the scriptures
Marianne, Jesus didn’t speak any language.
I speak as an ex-Christian and also as an ex-Muslim, I was born and raised as a Christian until I converted to Islam at the age of 20 and I remained a practicing Muslim for 15 years until I became an ex-Muslim two years ago.
I know the Christian Bible’s Old and New Testament and also The Muslim Quran extremely well.
In case you are wondering about my current religious position then I can tell you that I’m neither a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Baha’ist, Zoroastrian, Atheist, Agnostic or Deist but yet I believe in God. 🙂
i cannot agree with that. Jesus obviously communicated his message to others…so he had to speak a language.
as a young jew, he would have been taught hebrew, so he could read the scriptures in synagogue…
and as any person living in the region,he would have spoken some language in order to communicate on a daily basis.
it sounds like you grew up catholic? much of that church is pagan, although it is not a Church that really educates the people in the Word of God and the power of God. I can see why you would leave a dead church that did not satisfy you. Jesus was not a catholic….he was jewish and taught and explained jewish scriptures.
my inspiration came after I left the church.. in the bible it was called “the way” and that is what I follow, which includes all the teachings and prophecies of both old and new testament, with the guidance of the holy spirit.
I grew up in a very conservative Christian family, as Christians we called ourselves the “Brethren” also nicknamed “Darbyites” because we use the James Darby English translation of the Bible, we also call ourselves “Born Again” Christians.
I became an ex-Muslim because I realized that all religions were 100% pure sun worship including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Baha’ism and Zoroastrianism etc.
However, having said all that, I still believe in God, I just don’t believe in religions, prophets or holy books.
I’m not an Atheist, Agnostic or Deist either. 🙂
john
ok
well you are on your own path
what is your opinion of jesus?
who do you say he is?
curious…
Marianne,
God, Satan, Yahweh, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Krishna, Buddha, Guru Nanak, Zoroaster etc are all sun-gods.
God and Satan are ONE and the SAME sun-god, a solar deity worshiped under different names and the reason for why the sun has the expression “For I am the God of a thousand names”.
God is the sun-god of day, light, heaven or overworld and Satan is the sun-god of night, darkness, hell or underworld.
Sheol, Hades, Hell, etc is the realm of the nocturnal sun also known as the black sun, the place where the sun sets, the underworld, the abyss, the bottomless pit, or the winter sun.
john
can you prove that the GOd Yahweh of the bible is a sun God?
Yahweh created the sun, so how did he create himself?
The many names of the Sun:
“Now that this Deity was none other but the Sun whom they called by the name of Apollo, Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, Hercules, etc is apparent by the Gentiles own writings.
For in Nonnus, Dionysiaca book 40, we see with how many names the Sun is called.
Namely “King of the Fire”, Guide of the World”, “Belus of Euphrates”, “The Libyan Ammon”, “Apis of Nitus”, “The Arabian Saturn”, “Assyrian Jupiter”, “The Egyptain Serapis”, “Phaeton”, with many other names, “Mithris”, “The Babylonian Sun”, “The Grecian Delphick Apollo”, “Paean”, “Aether”, or “The Heaven”, etc”.
~Alexander Ross, “A View of All Religions in the World”, page 515 (1653).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonnus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysiaca
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“Kronos, or Saturn, was no other than the Sun, worshiped as the God and regulator of time”.
~William Drummond, “Origins: Phoenicia Arabia”, page 207 (1826).
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“The word Saturn, also is as much, or more, applicable to the Sun than to the planet Saturn”.
~Henry Dimock, “Critical and Explanatory Notes on Genesis, Exodus, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel”, page 292 (1804).
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The Jewish symbol called the “Star of David” has mislead many people into believing that it symbolizes a star.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David
This “Star of David” is actually not a star but rather a sun hexagram which is a solar symbol symbolizing the sun and it’s 360 degree zodiac.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360_(number)
A hexagram is formed using two Equilateral triangles measuring 180 degrees each which total 360 degrees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilateral_triangle
The two intersecting Equilateral triangles form a hexagonal center measuring 360 degrees symbolizing the zodiac which is the house of the sun forming a perfect cube.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube
One 180 degree Equilateral triangle points above symbolizing the six months of a year that are above the equinoxes while the other 180 degree Equilateral triangle points below symbolizing the six months of a year that are below the equinoxes.
The phrase “As above so below” has it’s origin in the sun’s zodiac.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180_(number)
The sun’s zodiac measures 360 degrees which is divided into two 180 degree arches that were anciently known as the overworld (heaven) and underworld (hell).
The zodiac arch of the overworld called heaven symbolized the time above the equinoxes which is between the spring and autumn equinox whilst the zodiac arch of the underworld called hell symbolized the time below the equinoxes which is between the autumn and spring equinox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch
Even though the hexagram is largely regarded as a Jewish symbol, it is also found in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism.
Judaism is all about the sun and sun worship.
ok since you say all religions worship the sun god, and you say you believe in god, is your god the sun god also?
The three daughters of Allah named Al Uzza, Al Lat and Al Manat is a triple goddess triad expression for the moon-goddess Allat.
The moon has three main lunar phases:
(1). The waxing crescent which is known as the maiden or virgin.
(2). The full moon which is known as the mother or goddess.
(3) The waning crescent which is known as the crone or old woman.
These three phases form the lunar trinity of the moon.
The lunar trinity is one and the same and symbolizes the full moon in all it’s light and brilliance as the moon-goddess Allat.
“The three daughters” is simply a triad expression for the moon-goddess as a whole symbolizing it’s “waxing crescent, full moon and waning crescent”.
This means that since Allat is a moon-goddess then it also means Allah is sun-god.
The incorrect theory of Allah being a moon-god was first started by Christians misinterpreting archeological evidence.
The triple goddess, triad and lunar trinity is found in all Abrahamic religions and Eastern philosophies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Goddess_%28Neopaganism%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase
The Kaaba originally contained 360 idols symbolizing the ancient solar year of the sun’s 360 degree zodiac circle and it’s twelve star constellations.
The Arabic word “Kaaba” in English means “Cube”.
A cube has twelve edges symbolizing the twelve star constellations of the sun’s zodiac which are observable in the night sky throughout the year.
The cube as an object of sun worship is the house of the sun.
The Kaaba contains a round black stone which is located in it’s eastern corner facing towards the rising sun.
Many ancient civilizations worshiped the sun under the form of a round black stone known as the “nocturnal sun” and it was placed in buildings of sun worship facing the east towards the rising sun.
The nocturnal sun is also known as the black or hidden sun that goes through the underworld at night according to ancient civilizations.
Muslims walk around the Kaaba seven times in an anti clockwise direction which is the same apparent direction of the sun starting at the eastern corner of the Kaaba just as the spring equinox begins at zero degrees east on the sun’s zodiac.
Muslims walk around the Kaaba seven times because it symbolizes the most sacred time of the year which is the time above the equinoxes from the beginning of the sun’s first zodiac sign to the beginning of the sun’s seventh zodiac sign.
The sun’s 180 degree zodiac arch immediately adjacent to the Kaaba called the “Hatim” symbolizes the time above the equinoxes which was the most sacred time of the year in relation to the sun from the spring equinox to the autumn equinox.
The sun’s first zodiac sign is Aries which begins at zero degrees on the spring equinox and the sun’s seventh zodiac star constellation is Libra which begins at 180 degrees on the autumn equinox.
The sun’s zodiac measures 360 degrees which was divided into two 180 degree arches that were anciently known as the overworld and underworld with the sun’s two 180 degree zodiac arches forming the 360 degree zodiac circle.
The zodiac arch of the overworld known also as heaven symbolized the time above the equinoxes which is between the spring and autumn equinox whilst the zodiac arch of the underworld also known as hell symbolized the time below the equinoxes which is between the autumn and spring equinox.
The seven heavens and the seven earths mentioned in the Quran symbolizes the time from the beginning of the sun’s first zodiac sign to the beginning of the sun’s seventh zodiac sign and then the from the beginning of the sun’s seventh zodiac sign to the beginning of the sun’s first zodiac sign.
Muslims finish their five daily prayers by turning their head to the right and then to the left which symbolizes the sacred time of the year above the equinoxes between spring and autumn from the first to the seventh sign of the sun’s zodiac.
The time above and below the equinoxes both share the equinoctial zodiac signs in which the numbers one and seven symbolize the beginning and the end of the sacred and non sacred year that is above and below the equinoxes.
There are twelve zodiac signs but fourteen points of beginning due to the equinoctial zodiac signs being shared by the sacred and non sacred year.
Sacred time of the year above the equinoxes equals (one – seven).
Non sacred time of the year below the equinoxes equals (seven – one).
The phrase “As above so below” has it’s origin in the sun’s zodiac.
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“The mystic number seven was derived from the summer signs of the zodiac, including the two equinoctial signs, which were called the pillars of the temple, the vault of the summer heavens being the temple itself.
Thus arose the allusions to the seven trumpets, the seven candlesticks, the seven churches, and the seven seals in the Apocalypse, each of which was a summer zodiacal sign.”
~Herbert Hardwicke, “Evolution and Creation” page 214 (1887).
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“God ended his work, however, on the seventh day (month September), when the Sun was in Libra, and exactly opposite Aries, and so made up the sacred number seven.”
~Milton Woolley, “The Science of the Bible” page 27 (1877).
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“The sun completes two equinoxes each year, one in Aries and the other in Libra, and shows a clear proof of the excellence of the number seven, for each equinox occurs in the seventh month, and in them it is appointed by law to celebrate the greatest and most notable feasts.”
~Philo of Alexandria, (25 BCE).
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Narrated Abdullah: – Sahih Bukhari
“When the Prophet entered Mecca on the day of the Conquest, there were 360 idols around the Kaaba. The Prophet started striking them with a stick he had in his hand and was saying, “Truth has come and Falsehood will neither start nor will it reappear”.
http://sunnah.com/bukhari/64/320
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Solar symbology is found extensively throughout Islamic architecture and art symbolizing the sun and it’s zodiac.
The round domes found on the top of mosques symbolize the sun and it’s zodiac.
The cube of sun worship is also found in Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc.
Islam is all about the sun and sun worship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_art
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180_(number)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360_(number)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Heavens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360-day_calendar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aries_(constellation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libra_(constellation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_%28mythology%29
a cube has 6 sides, not 12, how did you get that?
A cube has six sides but twelve edges, sides and edges are two different things. 🙂
Now that i read both sides i do believe that number has gotten to people heads . If you dont call flying a jet full of fuel at mach speed into a highrise full of people and children not evil than you surely got your head up you ass. This act proves the number can be evil also.
A lot of people under the yolk of Islam are forced to believe one way. Not all humans have the strength to fight back. Since Lovecraft, the American Federal government is helping the spread of Islam to the world. Islam plays it;s role in creating chaos well. Chaos brings change.
islam exposed: allah – azathoth, muhammad – buphammad, quran – azif
I bbelieve it just might be holy number
everything you do is sacred
The number 666 is a solar number and is connected with the 360 degree circle of the sun’s zodiac and it’s six-fold geometry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360_(number)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-dimensional_space#Geometry
The ancient solar year was 360 days in length.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360-day_calendar
The sun’s zodiac contains 12 major and 36 minor star constellations which are observable in the night sky.
The sun’s zodiac 36 minor star constellations are known in astronomy as decans measuring ten degrees each.
36 x 10 = 360 degrees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decans
When the numbers 1 – 36 are added up they will all equal 666.
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19 + 20 + 21 + 22 + 23 + 24 + 25 + 26 + 27 + 28 + 29 + 30 + 31 + 32 + 33 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 666.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36_(number)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_(number)
Christianity is all about the sun and sun worship.
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“The mystic number seven was derived from the summer signs of the zodiac, including the two equinoctial signs, which were called the pillars of the temple, the vault of the summer heavens being the temple itself.
Thus arose the allusions to the seven trumpets, the seven candlesticks, the seven churches, and the seven seals in the Apocalypse, each of which was a summer zodiacal sign.”
~Herbert Hardwicke, “Evolution and Creation” page 214 (1887).
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“God ended his work, however, on the seventh day (month September), when the Sun was in Libra, and exactly opposite Aries, and so made up the sacred number seven.”
~Milton Woolley, “The Science of the Bible” page 27 (1877).
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“The sun completes two equinoxes each year, one in Aries and the other in Libra, and shows a clear proof of the excellence of the number seven, for each equinox occurs in the seventh month, and in them it is appointed by law to celebrate the greatest and most notable feasts.”
~Philo of Alexandria, (25 BCE).
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Actually you have got it all wrong ,
We actually belive that 786 means bismillah this is an holy number you can say
But 666 is a satanic number n we belive the say get your facts right instead of making bullshit up oh before you talk about terrorist look into your own government there the ones that are terrorists Muslims are targeted don’t listen to the media n belive what they want you to belive
I think that you are very brain washed. To say we are not a nation this country is a nation. Their is proff to dispute your claim about the trade center, the new testament is faulty. Jesus said do not change what was written, at that time the old testament and the Koran were the only books he could have been referringto. . This country is the country they’re talking about we’re trying to take over the world because of Christianity and we killed four million Muslims in this war and hardly any Americans died this is a joke open your small little mind. John (saul) wrote the New Testament he saw a vision of Jesus, in John said I am going to Jerusalem to claim that there needs to be a resurrection at that time Jesus spoke from the sky and he said”” why are you persecuting me” and then John became blind for three days until he arrives Jerusalem he was imprisoned after that and then he was forced to write the letter to the Roman government Colossians 1 and when it wasn’t satisfactory he had to write the next section and those the only sections that the born-again Christians read and those are not they’re not supposed to be in the Bible he wrote those letters to convince the Roman leaders to let him out of prison he didn’t write those letters to be holy and to be in the Bible so stop reading them about you being saved by him on a cross that’s not true you have to live a life like Jesus take your cross and follow him and don’t read the New Testament read the books that he read he said no rich man go to heaven it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven he was not a conformist he would not want to go into your churches humans are so blind and he’s making everybody else blind and Jesus also has his number is 666 and so do I actually I think you’re just another Pawn in this game of this nation to take over moronic people’s brains with false doctrines to lead this world into chaos and destruction, Jesus rendered Saul blind and you appear to presume the divine knowledge is yours of Jesus, recall when the 3rd temptation of jesus occurred , Satan said. Bow down to me and you will have all these nations around you he obviously said yes because everyone wants to be Christian all the radio stations Christian TV station Christian how many other religions are shown on TV and radio they want the whole world to believe this farce
Our father in heaven is Almighty God Allah Jehovah:
666 in Revelation is 0.666 refers to 2/3 to be eliminated Beasts.
Revelation 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men (1/3).
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
20 And the rest of the men (1/3) which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Surah Al-Fatihah [1] – Al-Qur’an al-Kareem
1 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
2 All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
3 The Beneficent, the Merciful.
4 Master of the Day of Judgment.
5 Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.
6 Keep us on the right path.
7 The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.
http://ekey-esir.blogspot.sg/2011/07/13666.html
Oh! My good hearted people do not be mislead by people who just want to create hate and misguide you against a religious that is a branch of your fath. This is absolute rubbish the number 786 means ‘In the name if God’ like the number in Hebrew that Jews used to write in place of ‘in the name if God’ ‘ before beginning anything. 786 is used mostly by east Asian Muslims. Muslim are not supposed to be suppersitious though the profit recommend using odd number just in doing ritual prayed, it not in the Quran. No where in Quran there is mention of number 666 being good or bad. Though Muslim are asked not to be suppersitious about things.
From were I come, we lived for hundreds of years in Peace and harmony. Living as family the, Jews, the Christian and the Muslim. Many families even today are integrated and inter married.
‘In the name of God the most Gracious and the most merciful’
Love is what Christ though and follow not the hate mongers.
Thanks you for reading this.
Am yosam mutengu from uganda An adventist. Seventhday believer .thax for the effort you have put in. To show the light to the world .MAY GOD BLESS YOU…
what a shame how hard some faiths try to denounce another rather than practicing their own faith for a change. Literally everything In this is made up… And Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world.. strange
no not strange. long history of death threats and forced conversions
Hello idiot, the Koran actually has 6236 verses instead of 666
I am a consistent reader of the bible but this just blows me away. I have never gotten this deep into the theories of the mark of the beast or the similarities of 666 to the Quran . This is an eye opener. I am deeply thankful for your in-depth studies of both and showing what most do not realize. I will publish this far and wide to make it known for all who believe and for those searching for the truth.
A common myth persists that the number of verses in the Quran is 6,666. In fact, the total number of verses in all chapters is 6,236, although this varies depending on how (or if) the Bismillah appearing at the start of each chapter is counted.
Honestly this is so stupid, 666 have nothing to do with Islam, there are no links between Islam and 666. However there are links between the Bible and the Quran and described one common enemy to the believers : Satan. The Bible condemns Satan, the Quran condemns Satan.
And for the violent verses of the Quran I saw in the comments, yes they are real but the violence in it is only allowed when a nation wage war against Muslims. Muslims have to ally respect Christians, fight for them and not harm them (promise to Ste Catherine). Muslims can be friends with Christians or Jews, Muslims can even marry “people of the Book” (Jews, christians). Three religions have a common enemy : Satan.
Very good article and very interesting I had no clue about the Quran this makes me want to k owmode but the numbers6h6 is the mark from the beast it’s used in which craftuses no intention to be holeyh the n I me and my personal belief is that alah is like the devil’s jesus jus BC the things seem evil how is Allah great when he will let u kill yaself and other to be a saint jus how is it at all any holey som1plz inform me
The Quran contains the words of Lucifer who fell like lightning. That book will contain 100% falsehood. The beast that brings death to all things is Lucifer who is in the body. The mark of that being will be seen in what a Devil possessed being does through a person being a mark on their hands. That being controls what a person thinks thus is a mark on their forehead. They that have Satan in their soul will control what another person buys and sells. They that don’t bow to the beast who is Satan the sparkling one are killed. They that don’t pay a spesific tax are killed. Muslims law is do what I want or I will kill you. God’s law is love one another. How can Muslims think that Allah is God? Muslims need to repent.
it will take an act of god for muslims to repent. they do not see anything wrong with their “faith”
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In bible about the beast it is said that a man will be the Beast at the same time or they will be connected, just like The Lamb of God, it is a man and a Lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes. We will see inshaAllah when all thosse things start to happen.
Allah is NOT God our Creator. Allah has no son. Jesus in the Quran is NOT the same Jesus in the Bible. Their Jesus is Only a Prophet and is not the son of God who died on the cross for our sins. The Quran was written way after the Bible. Allah is called the Great Deceiver in the Quran. Satan is called the Great Deceiver in the Bible. Mohommad even said he was visited by Demons. Islam is spreading out all over the earth to inforce their beliefs on everyone. The Quran tells them to kill the Christians and the Jews and anyone who doesn’t convert to Islam by Beheading. The Bible warms us that during the 7 year Tribulation the Antichrist will make everyone take the Mark of the Beast in their right hand or forehead to be able to buy or sell. Anyone who doesn’t will be Beheaded if they get caught. Sounds like Islam has something to do with the 7 year Tribulation and who the Antichrist will be. They are told to spread Islam all over the world before their Madi and their Jesus can return. Jesus warns us in the Bible that many will come in his name and not to believe them if they say he is here or there. When Jesus returns, Everyone will see him come on the clouds with his Angels, Saints, the ones who were Raptured, the ones who were Beheaded, and the ones who passed away before. They will all be on White Horses. Don’t let Satan deceive you. Bible Prophecies are unfolding right before our eyes exactly how the Bible says that they would. Things are lining up for the Antichrist to appear. Time is running out. Jesus is the only way to God our Father in Heaven. SALVATION is a gift from God because he loves us. Except JESUS as your Savior and Repent of your sins before it is too late. If you are left behind to endure the Tribulation, Do Not Take The Mark Of The Beast In Your Right Hand or Forehead. If you do, it will be too late for you. You will spend Eternity in Hell. God will give you No more chances to Repent. We either serve God or Satan. There are no other choices. Don’t put off excepying Jesus as your Savior. The 7 year Tribulation is going to be the worse time that there has ever been on earth. We are the are the Generation that sees Jesus return. The Bible is the Inspired word of God
May God have Mercy on us all.
Not true, you not only talk like a parrot but your ignorance is absolutely astounding!
What’s not true? I read what the Quran says says. It’s a Evil Satanic Book of pure hate. The Quran was written 600 years after the Torah and the Bible. Satan comes.as an Angel of light to Deceive people. That is what he did to Mohammad. He even said he was visited by Demons.
You are correct. Muhammad saw the being discribed in Ezekiel 28:13:15. That being did not say fear not. Gabriel would have said fear not. Muhammad saw Lucifer.
jeanette
amen!
Ah marianne ive seen that you deleted my comments. So ive done my duty.
I ve won the debate.
But however let me tell you one thing.
Do ask your mother about it and she will confirm it to you.
Youre a daughter of several fathers.
May Allah Taala never blessyou and may you die a horrible death.😗😗😏
Muhammad is not a prophet. That being was possessed by God’s enemy. That enemy is 666. Thjat 666 is in all things that die. Don’t allow that 666 to be in your soul. Muslims want that 666 in your soul calling that 666 God.
It seems that many brothers and sisters have been conned by Satan, the Prince of This World and the Father of All Lies: Luciferian conspiracy: the final social cataclysm:- Why Islam must first of all be destructed as a world power,
“We ask the reader to study every word of this diabolically inspired document. According to Pike’s military blueprint, drawn up between 1859 and 1871, three global wars and three major revolutions were to place the High Priests of the Luciferian Creed in position to usurp world powers. Two World Wars have been fought according to schedule. The Russian and Chinese revolutions have achieved success. Communism has been built up in strength and Christendom weakened. World War Three is now in the making. If it is allowed to break out, all remaining nations will be further weakened, and Islam and political Zionism will be destroyed as world powers. The reader must not forget that the Arab world is made up of millions of people, many of whom are Christians; many are of the Jewish faith; many are Mohammedans, but all subscribe to belief in the same God Christians worship as the Creator of the Universe. The Koran of the Mohammedan faith is practically identical with the Bible, excepting only that the Mohammedan religion, while accepting Jesus Christ as the GREATEST of God’s prophets before Mohammed, does not permit its members to believe in the Divinity of Christ.
The point we wish to make is this: Those who direct the Luciferian conspiracy AT THE TOP realize only too well that before they can provoke the final social cataclysm, they must first of all bring about the destruction of Islam as a world power, because if Islam were not destroyed, it would undoubtedly line up with Christianity in the event of an all out war with Communism (liberal). If that were allowed to happen, the balance of power would be held by Christianity, allied to Mohammedanism, and it would be very unlikely that both sides would conquer and exterminate each other.
It is of the greatest of importance that these facts, which explain the political intrigue and chicanery now going on in the near, middle, and far East, be brought to the attention of ALL political and religious lea conspiracy from being put into effect, and bring to fruition the prediction made in Chapter 20 of Revelations, i.e., that Satan shall be bound for a thousand years.”
Satan, Prince of this world by William J. Carr (P.29):
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Almost all o us know the name of our Father in heaven is Yahweh and who is Yahweh in the Quran? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Uzbp0Xino&t=104s
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the quran opposes the bible, and declares it corrupt. they are not the same.
that video is just propaganda
if allah was yahweh, muslims would say yahweh, not allah.
allah both means god, and is the NAME of god, in islam. Islam’s god has no other name. It lacks a proper name for god.
example: samuel is a name for a man. But “man” is just a description, not a name of someone.
Judaism and Christianity have a name for their God, but Islam only has a description.
there are many gods….Islam has no real name for god….he is just “god”
yahweh is a NAME. it does not mean “I am”. that expression is used elsewhere in the bible, original means “I shall be that I shall be”which is future emphatic tense, not present tense.
the name Yahweh (yud hey vav hey) is paleolithic in origin, and means, “behold the man, behold the nail,” which is a direct reference to Yahshua, Jesus. who was crucified for our sins. the name was given as a prophesy as to the true nature and purpose of the Messiah, who would come first as suffering Savior, and then as King.
the bible commands us to call upon the NAME, not the description, of the Lord, to be saved. so it is supposed to be pronounced. the jews just do not want to do it,out of fear of mispronouncing it, which is silly. christians have no issue in pronouncing it, and so have the power associated with it.
Jesus /Yahshua ( which means yahweh saves) is more than a prophet. He is the Son of God, not created by marriage with a woman, but created by the very breath of the Father Creator. in heaven, the Father is supreme God, and Jesus is second in command and power.
So marianne youve named the one who created you?
What type of devotee you are to jesus
And yes the religion christianity lacks cleanliness, very unhygienic people though.
You enter the house of your god with your shoes which you wear to go everywhere else.
Very bad.
And i dont understand whg you pray a statue hanging on a cross
you are worried about my shoes, which are clean , while what you have in your pants is filthy
I pray to the Father in the name of Jesus / Yahshua
What do you know whats there in my pants?
Oh maybe you always have those filthy things of your partner in your pants while going to the church.
You slut. Dares to tell me having filthy things in my pants. You know that youre guilty, marianne.
What is in our pants is not filthy. God made them. Let them be seen. Devils say, Nopooooooo, God made them to make life that we hate. Noooooo, don’t show them. Our eyes hurt when they see them through a person. We make them complain to give the nude person guilt.
this is about cleanliness before prayer. muslims wash their feet as if that is the only dirty part. I am saying there are other parts which can be much dirtier.
Ive already told you. Assholes like you who searched for evidences from the net must not talk about religion. The truth is that bible is a modified book and no one can change the truth you filthy liar.
bible is not modified, and quran written by catholic church for arabs.
muhammed could not read or write so he did not do it
As we all know truth is bitter.
Christians and catholics are similar. Both christians and catholics go to church.
In the video youve seen what priests in you church do.
Now dont try to turn the tables on me and blame the prophet(saw) for things which you people did. Now its crystal clear like water that ive won that case.
As ive already told you, you are a true baboon who has no value in front of me.
Youre very cheap also.
you do not have the intellect to be on this website.
A video only for you to make you accept reality
I am not catholic. I am christian. and Islam rapes little boys
Bible was modified and thats why god send another prophet with a new book(Quraan)
To guide mankind along the right way.
But however christians, especially the popes and priests show how to practise pedophilia in church.
Islam rapes little boys and beats their women, all muslim men are pedophiles.
Pedophilia is not bad. Islam is bad making Devil possessed people thinking they are obeying Go0d being delusional. The voice of the master who is Jesus is not heard when the Quran is read. God’s enemy is heard.
Tell this to Marianne as shes the one who’s said filthy things in pants
what kind of evil freak are you?
pedophilia is extreme evil…..
What kind of donkey freak are you!
You cant accept the bitter truth that in some churches where you go to pray, pedophilia is taking place and you still have the guts to say that muslims are wrong. Theres still time. You can perform ghusl, wudhoo and ask an imaam what process to follow to become a muslim and repent for your sins.
muhammed was a pedophile. so Islam is disgusting.
Pedophilia is permitted in the Qur’an, was practiced by Prophet Muhammad and his companions, and some Muslims today continue to commit the crime, following their prophet’s example.
muslims need to repent first before preaching to others. leave this religion
It is not the name pedophilia that is bad. It is the Spirit that Muslims obey. That Spirit gives them bad advice. The Quran is not a good source for advice.
Leave your religion because all the proofs are against your religion. So dont try to blame islam for what you people are doing. And yes ive not talked ill about your so called yahweh . So dont instigate me to talk ill about your fake god cause in the quraan its written to never insult others religion or deities. And yes one more thing, for you to have talked like this. Now im damn sure that your mother was a fucking bitch which kept wagging its ass in front of your different fathers.
Sorry for the expression but you merit it.
And yes one more thing, shoes never stay clean and yes is this also written in the Modified bible that a christian can insult others by telling them that they have filthy things in their pants.
The Bible contains the words of Jesus beginning to end. Blind people will not see them though they think they see. They that obey them will find life. Jesus in them is who keeps them. The hater of all that is has his words in the Quran. That being does his best to hide that fact. I would not say that had Jesus be heard when the words of the Quran are spoken by a human. The voice of Jesus who sounds like many waters will not be heard.
Marianne youre like a kid talking to people.youre a very childish person. Skylight33 tried to make you understand by showing proper evidences but youre not willing to accept. Maybe Allah Taala doesnt wish to forgive and accept you in islaam.
You are like an insect infront of the muslims and you wanna confront us. Youre a true baboon.
Well i would like to ask you a simple question?
You pray a statue isnt it?
Indirectly youre praying satan as satan resides in statue.
And do you even know how your so called yahweh looked alike.
So how can you have faith in a statue.
I didnt know that youre so stupid.
One more thing. If youre praying satan it means that you guys must be the anti christ.
So disappointing to see so many self-righteous persons who claIm to worship our creator. May the spirit of TRUTH guide all of us to the TRUTH!
John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
John 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
666 according to a Muslim will be a lie. Muslims learn from 666 who is at this time unseen. who is in stars That in their way die and is in all living things rhat die.
666 according to a Muslim will be a lie. Muslims learn from 666 who is at this time unseen who is in stars that in their way die and is in all living things that die. The Bible is correct. KJV Cambridge editon 1611 study bible, Old Scofield bible study bible, The Sword study bible or the KJV 1900.
Improve your language then come and talk.
And yes dont believe so much in the bible cause for the last time im saying this that bible is a modified book.
Go and do researches.
islam lies about bible
Christian lies about everything
NO, GOD BLESS YOU
Edited# 2. A destroyer will lie. Muslims obey a destroyer of eternal things. God did not make things to die. God did not make things too kill life. God did not put craters on the moon and earth that he made. God did not make stars to look like rosy paint being nebula. God did not make galaxies to look like they have smoke in them. Muslims Allah did all of that admiring what he did. A liar did all of that. A liar hates love works no ill law and bear one anothers burdens and love others even as you want to be loved laws in the Bible. Haters of those laws will call the book that they are in corrupted. Satan who Impersonates angelic beings and God himself consisting of gold and gems visually seen will speak out of the mouth of a person who speaks against the Bible. The destroyer is the 666 that is obeyed by Muslims. That destroyer wants to stand on the earth saying he is God. Muslims are bowing to that being and are waiting for that being to stand on the earth. Muslims world wide need to repent of Islam in every aspect to avoid seeing God as he is as fire to not be a part of the lake of fire. Fire goes out when there is no more fuel to burn.
artiewhitefox said this on November 9, 2017 at 5:28 pm | Reply
Islam lies about what the Bible says and everything else. People who teach the Bible are not any better. People in churches who make people to be bitter to zoosexuals and others subconsciously think that Jesus will say: How many people did you condemn? A person says: Many Lord. Jesus says: Enter into the joy of the Lord good and faithful servant. Jesus looks at another person saying the same thing. The second person cowers before the Lord trembling saying: I am sorry Lord. I have not condemned a single person of anything not giving anyone guilt. Have mercy on me as the person kneels before the Lord. Is there time to redeem myself condeming a sexuality name? The Lord looks at the person sternly: It is too late unfaithful servant. I will cast you into outer darkness.
artie
the bible outlines what is sin and what is not sin.
our own behaviors will determine our judgement
do not concern yourself with what man says, but with what God has decreed
Nah its always the christian who lie.
And now your talking rubbish just like marianne.
Marianne have stopped arguing cause she knows shes wrong.
A destroyer will lie. Muslims obey a destroyer of eternal things. God did not make things to die. God did not make things too kill life. God did not put craters on the moon and earth that he made. God did not make stars to look like rosy paint being nebula. God did not make galaxies to look like they have smoke in them. Muslims Allah did all of that admiring what he did. A liar did all of that. A liar hates love works no ill law and bear one anothers burdens and love others even as you want to be loved laws in the Bible. Haters of those laws will call the book that they are in corrupted. Satan who Impersonates angelic beings and God himself consisting of gold and gems visually seen will speak out of the mouth of a person who speaks against the Bible.
Edited: A destroyer will lie. Muslims obey a destroyer of eternal things. God did not make things to die. God did not make things too kill life. God did not put craters on the moon and earth that he made. God did not make stars to look like rosy paint being nebula. God did not make galaxies to look like they have smoke in them. Muslims Allah did all of that admiring what he did. A liar did all of that. A liar hates love works no ill law and bear one anothers burdens and love others even as you want to be loved laws in the Bible. Haters of those laws will call the book that they are in corrupted. Satan who Impersonates angelic beings and God himself consisting of gold and gems visually seen will speak out of the mouth of a person who speaks against the Bible. The destroyer is the 666 that is obeyed by Muslims. That dse3stroyer wants to stand ion the earth saying he is God. Muslims are bowing to that being and are waiting for that being to stand on the earth. Muslims world wide need to repent of Islam in every aspect to avoid seeing God as he is as fire to not be a part of the lake of fire. Fire goes out when there is no more fuel to burn.
You are all wrong. You’re looking at 666 from a numerical point of view.
No.
It’s a name… The Greek letters and the Aramaic numbers have nothing in common.
The name is closer to GGG than 666.
Study. Stop guessing.
The words are, a number of a man. Man refers to us. People keep people from buying and selling. People put people to death. The 666 in the soul of a person will be mean to another person through a person. The words of the 666 are in the Quran. Muslims think that being is God. They are mistaken,. Muslims are at this time possessed by the 666.People who are not like Jesus will be possessed by the 666.
[…] The words are, a number of a man. Man refers to us. People keep people from buying and selling. People put people to death. The 666 in the soul of a person will be mean to another person through a person. The words of the 666 are in the Quran. Muslims think that being is God. They are mistaken,. Muslims are at this time possessed by the 666.People who are not like Jesus will be possessed by the 666.The Number 666 according to Muslims […]
The Number 666 according to Muslims | zooforyou said this on November 11, 2017 at 9:19 pm |
zooforyou, please READ the Greek the translation for the #666 in Revelation 13:18. The Greek Diaglott is FREE on The Web. In Greek it translates to the name of the chief Greek idol “Christos Zeus (Zeus the Savior) with a CROSS, X as in Xmas, A.K.A. “Jesus Christ” This is the pagan name of the image (idol) of the beast (Vatican). That’s NOT a man! It’s the Evil One in disguise! Islam is another Vatican-inspired religion.
CHRISTIANITY IS PAGAN AND ALWAYS! “Come out of HER My people!”
Yahshua the Messiah Son of Yahweh in Revelation 18:4
PRAY NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM. Revelation 18:4 HalleluYah! Hebrew: “Praise ye Yah!”
ETERNAL SURVIVAL BLESSINGS FOR YAHWEH’S SAINTS!
Hi Marianne,
Just testing wordpress on another post.
Jiim
Corrections: Please READ the Greek translation for the #666 in Revelation 13:18.
CHRISTIANITY IS PAGAN AND ALWAYS WAS!
Though shall not add or subtract from the Bible. Especially NOT with a book of prophecies of Mohammed whose followers murdered poets who disagreed with becoming a follower, too! The mark upon boxes food and that you have to have to get food, is enough proof of the mark of the beast and that they already wear it on their forehead!