They shall mingle with the seed of men



Traditional interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of the statue with the 10 toes has been that the iron/clay represents Rome, but in a weakened state.

But, suppose it could mean something more sinister?

This interpretation comes from the following 2 verses:

Dan 2:41   And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou saw the iron mixed with miry clay.

Dan 2:42   And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

Rome was predicted to follow Greece in world empires, so the iron came to represent the Roman empire itself.


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But what if the iron represents more than Rome?

Suppose, the iron represents the force that moves Rome, rather than Rome itself?

Note this passage, which follows the others:

Dan 2:43   And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The million dollar question is WHO is “they?”

Who is implied as “not man” and mingling with the seed of men?


Iron = ? = “they” = individual who are not man

Potter’s Clay = man, believer in Yahweh

Therefore, iron is “not man,” since clay is identified as “man,” and iron is different from clay.

The iron is not compatible physically with clay, yet there is an attempt, or action, to “mingle” with the “seed” of man.

This mingling could be either

Associations – political, social, etc

Sexual – since the “seed” of man is mentioned.

If something (iron) which is obviously not compatible with man (clay), is mingling, then what is the result?

It could either be

Bad associations, not reliable

Sexual mingling which produce either nonviable offspring, or offspring which are aberrant in some physical way.

In Daniel 11, there is more discussion of a fierce leader who worships the “god of forces.”

Dan 11:38   But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

Dan 11:39   Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge [and] increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

*** note: watch for anyone who “divides the land of Israel for gain.” It is a major clue in identifying the fierce leader.

Past and End time fulfillment

While much of this prophecy was fulfilled by the Greeks, there is a future element to it as well.

It is as if the ancient king comes back to life in the “time of the end,” repeats history, and continues the story:

Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

What I think the iron really represents is the “god of forces.”

Rome certainly used the “god of forces” to conquer weaker nations.


Summary thoughts:

The god of forces will mingle with the seed of men. This will produce dangerous beings, with lost souls.

The bible describes soul- less creatures, in the time of wrath, torturing man.

I believe they are already here, waiting for their time to act further.

I believe that the seed of the serpent has already mixed with the seed of man, just as in the days of Noah, and the “flood” will begin sometime in the near future, to remove this abomination from the earth.

A “flood” is coming.

Pray and repent, and look to Yahweh for protection, because only a good relationship with Him will bring salvation.

Dan 2:41   And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou saw the iron mixed with miry clay.

The kingdom of Yahweh will be separated from the kingdom of darkness.

The kingdom of the god of forces will be destroyed.

103 Responses to “They shall mingle with the seed of men”

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  2. Hi Marianne,

    I always thought about “obvious” interpretation of the verse in Daniel, however, your theory is very interesting. Obvious, interpretation would be that clay represents Ishmael’s (Muslim) kingdom, and they occupy terriotry of what once was southern part of Roman Empire. They will intermarry, but not quite mingle with the rest of the people;

    • Your on here. but don’t take it too far. Marriage is not part of it. we see this today with muslims in Britain having a section with sharia law. in france where they continue their hateful religion, including covering the faces of women right in the middle of a great democracy (France outlaws this practice BTW). So mingle and not adhere to me simply mean muslims will enter into other countries in the west, but will remain isolated, not accept the full essence of western democracy. the will not adhere.

    • I always thought that the iron in the mix represented a combination of the eastern and western legs of the old Roman empire. This would include Muslims. At the moment they (the seed of Satan) are mingling with the seed of men but they will not cleave one to another, because of their ideology. The battle is not about land or spoils. It is about worship.

  3. More accurate translation for “god of forces” would be “god of fortresses”.

    The Hebrew word is Ala Mahozim. In Hebrew the root word for fortresses is mahoz which means the “place of strength” or “stronghold”. The Antichrist pays tribute to this “god” above all. This name occurs in only one place in the Bible, in Daniel 11, but there are other names of pagan gods from antiquity which mean exactly the same thing.
    Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor,”Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His names means, “King of the Fortresses”.

  4. The Hebrew word is Ala Mahozim. In Hebrew the root word for fortresses is mahoz which means the “place of strength” or “stronghold”. The Antichrist pays tribute to this “god” above all. This name occurs in only one place in the Bible, in Daniel 11, but there are other names of pagan gods from antiquity which mean exactly the same thing.
    Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor,”Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His names means, “King of the Fortresses”.

  5. i have looked at that before and i would say that it is Rome, but very interesting topic of conversation.

  6. Hi Marianne, my computer is down, iam in an internetcafe, so i cannot research it further.. there is i believe in Jeremiah a conenction of Potters Clay with Israel, who we know from Eze37/Gen48 is obviousoly the crown of England etc.. maybe the seed of the “royal” family is already since long corrupted (watch “shapeshifters” or so on youtube, i once posted it here)..Bush eg is a british descendant of the royal family, look at their similarity!
    There is another possible explanation for who is the “god of forces” – the New Ager/Theosophics, whose religion is the UN religion and is set to be the one world religion of Lucifer/Baal – they call their god the god of Forces!!

  7. And so it will continue with the European Union – as united and coherent as a mixture of clay and iron

  8. The chitauri is the name given to the repilians.
    I am posting here the last part of the interview with a zulu shaman.
    The interview starts at part 9 and is throughout till part 13.

  9. Now when one examines the statue of the dream of king of Babylon …
    Don’t you find it strange that all these metals are found in the depiction?
    Why would a head be gold??
    I am not thinking symbolically.
    Here is an historical account of reptilians.

  10. You are on the right track I believe. Even commentators of old have translated the mahuzzim as ‘saints’/angels. It is clear that the Catholic saints point to the fallen angels that are represented by the numerous ‘god’s of mythology.

  11. New Living Translation (©2007)
    This mixture of iron and clay also shows that these kingdoms will try to strengthen themselves by forming alliances with each other through intermarriage. But they will not hold together, just as iron and clay do not mix.

  12. I know very little sbout Daniel but I just surmised that is was a vision of times least the first part of Daniel… It says when you hear the coronet, flute, etc. or any music to bow down and worship the image..I always thought this was in reference to the trumpets in Rev. and when men are forced to bow to the allah beast..That is almost the entent of my knowledge of Daniel

  13. Hello Marianne,

    It also depends on which translation you are reading. Here is the translation of the New International Version:

    “And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.”

    This speaks of a mixture of people and because that mixture is divied, it does not have the complete strength of Iron. Although it is true that there will much demonic activity going on during that time, I would have to stick with that these will be a diversity of people who are divided and because of that division, they will not have the same strength that the Roman legs of iron had.

  14. Marrianne, what about cloned people? do you believe they would be souless?

    • hi mike,

      good question. If God creates, man has a soul- spirit and body. Man can reproduce a body, but not a soul. It makes me wonder what freak of nature would result, maybe something with animal instincts only.

  15. Happy New Year all!

    Here is something to consider:

    “As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.”

    Though James was using this as example of faith, if a body is devoid of spirit, it will not function. My point is, if you had a perfectly good body, that is, everthing is healthy and working and you could remove the spirit, there would cease to be any personality or activity. It would be a vessel with no one driving, a shell. I believe that, even if man were to clone a human being, he or she would still be a person, as God is the only one who could give that body a spirit/soul, since only God can create life. God is not unaware of what science is doing these days and I believe that a cloned person would be every bit excepted by God and eligible for salvation. Of course, God would have already known about said clone persons before the world began. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not condoning it, but just hypothetically speaking.

    • That’ possible too. I guess you could view the person as a victim of human cloning…and God would still step in. and show mercy, giving them a soul.

  16. I think the iron and the clay is metaphorical language that is naming the identity essence of two groups. What is man? Complex. So take the simple answer. “…for dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Gen 3:19) More specifically, recall 2Cor 4:7, “…we have this treasure in jars of clay…” Man is weak, variable, vulnerable. Clay, pottery, or earthen vessels can be broken, shattered, ground and reduced to nothing with little effort. How is iron different from clay? Strength. Durability. Even in modern times iron is a symbol for power. Yet in 1Cor 1:27 is written, “…God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.” If clay identifies a group (mankind), it seems to me the iron is identifying another group. Doesn’t the strong, the iron, have to be angelic order beings?

  17. Try this (virtual,mental) exercise. Put a piece of stone (diamond or black granite), a piece of metal such as gold, and a piece of pottery side by side on a table. Which two are most alike? Isn’t the pottery simply weak rock? Metal comes from rock (ore), but is a component separated out from the rock. God has proclaimed himself to be the Rock of Israel, and we are made in his image and likeness. How appropriate that humans are a mixture of mostly powdered rock and water, the latter of which is a biblical symbol of the Holy Spirit. Also, what is the fulfillment of clay or pottery? Isn’t it’s destiny to be hardened in the furnace, to be made into a stronger stone-like substance?

    The metals in Daniel’s statue depict a descending order of grandeur and power, from head to foot. I believe what the dream regarding statue metals is meant to say is that the rebellious angelic powers and authorities have been steadily losing in their struggle against God as salvation and fulfillment draw near. The disobedient angelic opposition will try to hide and mix with mankind at the end to avoid destruction. They will fail and be destroyed by the God the Rock.

  18. “The disobedient angelic opposition will try to hide and mix with mankind at the end to avoid destruction. They will fail and be destroyed by the God the Rock.”

    That makes sense! Marianne, what do you think?

  19. “The vision which Esaias son of Amos saw against Babylon. Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, OPEN THE GATES, YE RULER. I GIVE COMMAND AND I BRING THEM: GIANTS ARE COMING TO FULFILL MY WRATH [emphasis added]. . . . For behold! the day of the Lord is coming which cannot be escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate. . . . And Babylon . . . shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. . . . It shall never be inhabited . . . and monsters shall rest there, and devils shall dance there and satyrs shall dwell there . . .” (Isaiah 13:1-3, 9, 19-22, [Septuagint Version]).[8]

    Given what is happening in Babylon (Iraq), UFOs and biotechnology today, it could mean the iron are the nephilim returning. (just as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Noah was saved because he was “perfect in his generations (i.e. genetically perfect, not a hybrid of man and fallen angels).


    • dear BRY

      The seed cannot be planted against someone’s will. They may have placed a curse on you, if they made you sick, but the serpent seed is different. It makes you evil, and you are not evil. Pray to reverse any curse, in Jesus name, and plead the blood over you for healing.

  21. Hi Bry,

    Forgive me, but I believe that you are grasping at something that isn’t there. We have better translations than the KJV based on the most ancient copies, original manuscripts and the dead sea scrolls regarding the word of God and by many more capable scholars than those who translated the KJV. Please note the NIV translation below:

    “And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.”

    Here is the interlinear translation of that verse:

    “And whereas you saw the iron mixed clay common will combine shall the seed of men not they will not adhere one to another even and whereas iron is not combined with potery.”

    So you see, where it says in the KJV

    “[they] shall mingle with the seed of men,” the translation is that the “They” are other people,that is, from different tongues and nations and not angels nor the offspring of angels. The mingling is the mingling of various peoples, which causes this last day ruling empire to not have the same strength as Rome did when it was pure iron. The KJV translation would read to make one think that there is something other than humans mixing with the seed of men and that is incorrect.

    I hope that this eases your fears.

    Yours in Christ – Don

    • don

      that is a good presentation of a view alternate to what is suggested here….this post was based on the KJV.

    • From where did you get that translation? It really is much clearer, The King James does make it sound as if the Nephelimun were mixing with people,

      • Hi Yckick yack!

        That would be the New International Version (NIV) and the Interlinear.

  22. Thank’s Marianne! Just tryin ta help by presenting the truth of God’s word rightfully.

    • I think there is more to it than that Don. Going back to Genesis, God said He would put enmity between the woman’s seed and the serpent’s seed; there is also the parable of the wheat and tares. When know in Noah’s day (pre-flood) there was an outbreak of Nephilim. And afterwards, in the promised land, the Anakim – this is why God told the Israelites to kill everyone but the virgins. In the Bible, things happen in 3’s and we are told Christ’s return would be like the days of Noah and Lot. I believe with the whole alien/UFO phenom in the world today, and with the Vatican making statements like they believe in extraterrestials as part of God’s creation…we should not look past Dan. 2:43 as a possible scenario of demonic kings mixing/breeding with the human race. From the Book of Daniel we know there are demonic powers behind World Empires (King of Persia, King of Grecia, etc.). In Rev. 12, Satan is described as a 7 headed Beast with 10 horns. There are demonic powers behind the 7 heads and 10 horns which control the rulers (crowns) of those same 7 heads/10 horns. Notice in Rev. 12 the 10 horns are not yet crowned but in Rev. 13 they are. Rev. 17 tells us these 10 horns are 10 kings that will receive power 1 hour WITH the Beast. These are not human rulers of 10 kingdoms that give their power to the Beast; they are 10 demonic principalities that give power to 10 literal or human rulers for a very brief period of time when Satan is kicked out of heaven in Rev. 12 and they come to power WITH the Beast in Rev. 13 for the last 3.5 years of this age – just prior to the return of Christ.

  23. Has anyone considered that the clay/iron mixture could have relevancy in regard to technology. I think of the genetic hybrids that could consist of the kingdom of the beast. But I am envisioning a computer interface that would mingle human flesh with steel as some cyborg being. Could this be the mark of the beast? To be fitted with unnatural additions?

    • hi Stephen

      That is a possibility – mixing human flesh with something else.

      Daniels’ vision showed the last empire on earth to be a mix of clay and iron, 2 incompatible substances.

      Genetic engineering occurred once before in Genesis. That is where the nephilim – the giants of the land – came from, mixing demonic seed with human female.

      As things unfold, more will be evident about what this all means.

  24. I Often thought that the mingling of the iron and clay could have something to do with the mark of the beast and technology. In revelation we read that all that had the mark of the beast break out in grievous sores.If the mark is something like a microchip God only knows hows the human body would react.

  25. Greetings Omegarising!

    Just my two cents worth. Let’s look at the verse in Dan.2:41-43:

    “Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kindom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more thatn iron mixes with clay”

    The meaning of this kingdom being made up of partly of baked clay and partly of iron is revealed when he says in verse 2:43 “so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united.” In other words, since iron and baked clay do not adhere to each other, it paints a picture of this last kingdom not being strong as in the days when it was pure iron, that is, under purely Roman rule. By the way, the ten toes of this last kingdom are the same as the ten horns of the beast of Revelation, that is, the ten kings who become kings only after one hour with the beast. The rock (Jesus) that is cut out without human hands, which falls on the feet of the statue and crumbles to the threshing floor and is swept away never to be found again, represents the end of human government and the beginning of Christs millennial reign on earth.


    This interview between Chuck missler and Sid Roth is most informative and surprising, considering the credentials that Chuck holds. He makes sense out of Daniel 6…what is the iron and clay?

  27. I believe that the “they” are the same as the ones who were here before adam and eve and after. And they have always been here.But now through the science that men are doing now with DNA there is/will be a blending of species. in ancient and old time this is talked about, But modern man has followed man made religion for so long they have no clue what is even going on even when it was written thousands of years ago and is also in the Bible.

  28. Remember the statements in Isaiah & Daniel concerning “the Assyrian?” Yet Assyria had been destroyed before those prophets lived. It is one of antichrist’s titles in scripture. Assyria encompassed Shinar, where Nimrod once reigned & attempted to erect Babel. I am good4larry on youtube, & there are vids revealing that unregulated cloning is being secretly funded in the middle east — I suspect Damascus. News reports recently reported that the genome of Neanderthal man has been isolated. How’s that for “fierce features”, & a house for an evil spirit?

    • Hi Larry

      Interesting thoughts on Cain. I have always wondered as well as to who cain married.

      • Hi Marriane, Larry and all,

        Marianne, why would you wonder about who Cain married? The thing that we must remember is that, prior to the flood people lived to be literally 800 and 900 years old. Therefore, there would be plenty of time for the population to increase and for cain to find a wife. Another thing to consider is that Scripture does not tell us at what age Cain went out and wandered the earth nor when he took his wife. We are simply not taking into account how much time has elapsed regarding these events. What we should also take into account is that Adam and Eve were most likely still having children and their children would have begotten children and so on and so on and on and on. Scripture is just silent on any other children that were brought forth by Adam and Eve. An awful lot of children can be begotten within just a 200 year time span. Think about it!

  29. The Lord is revealing mysteries now. Let us keep our focus on Him. Thanks for the encouragement!

  30. Genesis 4:17 says “Cain knew his wife”; perhaps he had already married before he slew his brother. Being given to violence, he may have taken a wife forcefully that stayed with him, rather than being disgraced. Since scripture says nothing more on the matter, I’m inclined to the first idea. The bloodline was tracked through the heirs; the other children are not even named, for the most part. Adam was made in God’s image, & Eve was made to meet Adam’s needs (sorry, ladies – no offense intended. God simply recognized that the X chromasome is a tough pill to live with alone). Therefore, males were likely considered alone as heirs in the preflood world. It’s possible that the 2 brothers had contemporary or even elder sisters, in that case; the Bible simply doesn’t say.

    • It is my understanding Eve was formed from Adam’s rib, and has that part that use to be in Adam like nurturing, softness…Eve is of G-d’s image too. Two make one. Plus, G-d loved his creation so much, he died to save it. G-d did not just die for men. Both sexes are G-d’s greatest creation. Both have G-d’s image/traits.

      Adam took the fruit willingly knowing he would die, but not fully understanding death. In short, he loved her so much, he died for her. Both of them showed remose to G-d, and was given grace. Lucifer, was given respite until Judgement day.

  31. Hi there, I’m currently following a blog which also is discussing Nephilim, fallen angels, end times army and so on – have you seen it?

    Thanks y’all

  32. Current sham POTUS, a perfect example of this.

  33. […] […]

  34. Daniels Fourth Kingdom – clay and iron – is The Revised Rome- The USA.

    Obama is the antichrist Beast – Of Mixed Lineage “seed” that receives his power from Satan but looks only like a man ( the number of a man: 666).
    Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to look upon him.

    Daniel faints from this dream of the end times.

    Revelations – The last chapter is A HAPPY – new beginning – After The Beast and False Prophet are destroyed by Christ and his Predecessor.

    Read it.

  35. I know everyone will probably be afraid to touch this except in a negative way, at least for those who are wrapped tight in their paradigm box. What if ‘they’ are hybrids or some other creation of the Evil One? Afterall, it is stated here that the ‘seed’ does allude to some sort of offspring that is not human. Remember Genesis 6. Remember what the Lord directly mentioned about the last days being like the time of Noah. There is a strong suggestion that Noah and his family were not chosen for necessarily being morally sound but due to his geneology. What?! And how can the animals have been corrupt unless they were tampered with as well. Before calling me crazy ask the Lord for insight. Aliens will play a major role in the great deception Jesus forewarned us about.

  36. […] Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor, “Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His name means, “King of the Fortresses”. […]

  37. […] Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor, “Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His name means, “King of the Fortresses”. […]

  38. Two very recent technologies are setting the stage for a possible explanation for this phrase Iron and clay in the seeds of men. Some geneticists are predicting a new “Hybrid Age” where “Transhumans” will be (and are already being) created with enhanced powers through combination of human genes and animal genes. Much of this research is funded by DARPA. Anoither group predicts that humans will be enhanced through computer chip implants and nano-prosthetics. Combine these with the possibility (probability) of demonic interaction and you have a scary future. No wonder people will take the mark if it means gaining an advantage over others through physical and mental enhancement (e.g. all of the info on the internet via a Google implant ?

  39. You mentioned “soul-less men” in this article…We already have soul-less beings on earth. Have you heard of all the unarmed people getting killed by cops and military soldiers. Gov’t employees are soul-less and, interestingly enough, they are also giants (large in stature). Also, nowadays it would be easy for demons to impregnate women considering that women are so sleezy (single mothers that don’t even know who fathered their children). Artificial insemination has become popular too; and who knows where the semen comes from? Most gov’t workers are recruited from the lowest classes of society, where women meat men in bars.

  40. The following verse supports the demons mixing with men idea (See 1 Chronicles 20:8). Read the preceding verses to get the full context. Interesting to note that the giants (plural) are defeated by King David and his servants.

  41. Gen. 6:4

    In those days and after (today?).

    “There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown” (NKJV).

    • Other option—-

      Derek Prince concludes that fallen angels are the ones “knowing” women.

      Demons are “spirits” of lost souls that oppress men/women – such as “unclean” or “deaf” etc.

      I think the reference to this is in his book ~ “War in Heaven” or an newsletter.

  42. It is not the god of forces because it refers to THEY

  43. there is no god of forces in Scriptures.
    in daniel 11:38 god of fortresses…a god his ancestors NEVER KNEW does not EXIST.
    the Scriptures mentioned only god of this world and the prince of the power of the air

  44. god of forces does not exist
    there is only one true God our Lord Jesus Christ

    • referring to false gods…under satan

      • The iron mixed with clay is the final world power. It is the United States. It is politically and ideologically divided. It consists of a people of traditional God fearing, hard working, law abiding people. They are like iron. It is what made this country strong. But it has mingled with a clay like people. They are lazy, degenerate, loose morals, nanny state lovers, politically correct, yet morally bankrupt, cowards, greedy, self centered, godless, and despisers of good, like clay, they add no strength to the integrity of this final world power that is of the 7th, which was England, you have also identified the 8th and final kingdom. Jesus is coming soon! Can you discern the seasons?

        • steven

          this reminds me of a conversation I have been having with someone..

          they assume since USA is a a world power that it must be the beast.

          a nation can be a nation without being the beast.

          what do you think about who is the beast?

        • Have you thought of this idea. All the metal kingdoms represent political powers. Clay is somewhat different from metal and represents what I believe to be a religious power. If you read scripture deeply you’ll find a pure clay represents the true church so therefore miry clay is a impure church. Now in Revelation scripture talks about the great whore which is also an impure church as a pure women is the true church. Now in Revelation 17:2 It says the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornications. So lets have a look again. They ( the kings of the earth, POLITICAL POWERS) have mingled themselves with the seed of man ( Papacy, RELIGIOUS POWER) WHAT DOES THIS RESULT IN? The inhabitants are made drunk. In other words, deceived. This whore is the mother of Harlots and the abomination of the earth. It is a power that previously was drunk with the blood of the saints. It killed God’s people and will again do the same at the end of time. Rev 13:11-18 Note v14 of this power “deceiveth them that dwell on the earth….” In Revelation 17:13 It says “These ( the ten kings spoken of in v12) have one mind, and give their power and strength unto the beast. Doesn’t this sound very much like Daniel 2 where the “they” mingle themselves with the seed of man as opposed to mingling with God as the saints do, the seed of the Word. 1 Peter 1 :23 Let me finish by quoting v24,25 “For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower thereof falleth away, but the Word of the Lord endurance for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”

          • barry

            that is also a reasonable explanation of the metal and clay

          • We first see Satan set his kingdom up within the garden (Jezebelian, spirit of Python) and this is no way resembles the Catholic Church who holds to Mary being a Virgin and the Immaculate Conception upholding scriptural truth and Jesus Christ being the Son of God.
            We saw this kingdom in the building of the tower in Babylon, the attempt at murdering the males in Egypt like the abortion industry has been doing.
            Having said all of this I do not think people realize how demonized people are these days. I have seen it grow steadily worse in the past 30 years to the point where I have had people threaten to shoot me in the face and wish me to be run over, have heart attacks and die a horrible death. Extreme violence and this in the South which is supposed to be a heavily churched area.

  45. In light of recent technology has anyone considered that this iron mixing with clay is referring to cyborgs? Man trying to integrate with metal technology. The beast that is mentioned that is different than all the other beast seems to me to be computers and technology. Certainly our current level of technology has destroyed/superseded all other past forms of warfare and domination. Given our current development of technology and genetics this also helps me understand a strange verse in revelations talking about the people wishing to die, but not being able to die. If man and “machine/artificial intelligence” were to mix I could then see where man would not be able to find death as genetically he will have been modified at the cellular level as well as enhanced with computer technology to regulate and direct cellular activities. In the days before the flood the fallen angles mingled with man and polluted our genetic gene pool, the reference given of Noah points more toward his genetic purity than his moral purity. This was done as a way to prevent the chosen seed from coming to mankind by permanently altering mankind DNA. Today we are currently modifying genes and working on gene therapy. Imagine you are told you can be like god- able live forever and have all the knowledge at your “finger tips” by simply altering your DNA and merging with a computer/machine. This is what I believe the “mark” is all about and why there is no redemption available for those who receive the mark because they will no longer be fully human. Much of bible prophecy seemed far fetched and hard to believe possible 40 years ago, today with our understanding of genetics and technology much of it does not sound impossible anymore.

    Here in Cambridge they worship TECHNOLOGY (The Work of their own Hands)-put their Faith in it
    god of Forces- since Ancient times -used Advanced Technology to conqueor weaker Nations-also drank Gold elixir- to enhance Brain Power(Symbol of Illuminati-represents Pineal Galnd in Brain said to be enhanced by Gold elixir- RULING ELITE)
    It goes on & on

  47. This is fascinating, see what you think. It makes the case for the forth and final empire of King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream being the Islamic caliphate. The mingling with the seed of men is described as people of the 4th kingdom being found among all the nations of the world but they will not form close ties with them, (or each other), for iron does not mix with clay.

  48. The prophecy of Daniel’s statue is simple. The iron is the white race (the strong) mixed with the beast races of the earth (the clay). Race mixing is the original sin of Adam, him and Eva mixing with the non-Adamic races. Eva mixed with Satan and had a satanic child by the name of Cain, Cain being the father of the Caananites, etc (Merchants). One ancient book of the white race, the book of Genesis, documents the seeding of God’s children, the Eloheem family, into the earth. These children are described by the title awdawn, transliterated into English as Adam. This “awdawm”, a descriptive word of a clear and non-opaque skin that shows the blood under the skin, is the white race. Cain’s modern day children are planning to exterminate the white race from the face of the earth. At present, members of Cain’s race are bringing a flood of immigration, ie the spewing of a flood of alien non-white immigrants into the white nations (a river overflowing its banks) as an alien army, to plunder and spoil the white nations. Apparently these immigrant peoples cannot feed themselves in their own countries.

    So it is a confrontation; either the white race is exterminated and becomes extinct and the other races live or the white race exterminates the other races to preserve themselves. Who do you think is going to win?

    • bill

      GOD will win.

      while it is interesting that you equate the white race as the original race, going back to adam, and the statue in Daniel, I need to point out that the descendants of Ham were also descendants of Noah, who was white. Ham was dark skinned and settle in Africa.

      how did this happen? the only think I can think of is that Ham’s wife was black and then the children were black, or dark skinned, due to black being the dominant gene. Most mixed children appear brown, not black. the Canaanites were descendants of Ham, and gave trouble for Israel. they still do.

      some of the immigrants come from africa, not syria. so there is a mix. those of arab descent are descendants of Ishmael, who was 1/2 egyptian ( Ham) and 1/2 white ( Abraham).

      however, even with the blurred race issue, the immigration threat is real

      it is really an invasion, not a refugee issue. these invaders have proven in europe to be jihadists

      but brain dead leaders who want to be politically correct are selling out their own countries to show how “understanding and tolerant” they are to those who scream for our deaths. true leaders are lacking in power positions. only hope is to toss them all out and start over ASAP.

      in the meantime, we will face huge dangers and real deaths. our societies and economies will crash, and will become 3rd world countries.

      this destruction will create the last chance to call upon God for help. if we do not do this, we perish as a world. large disasters are coming, and NOTHING we can do, smart as we are, will save us. only the protection of God will deliver us.

      and this GOd is not allah, or buddah….his name is Father yahweh, and the name of his son is Jesus, yahshua, which means yahweh saves….sent by the Father to mankind to teach them to repent, and turn back to the Father in sincerity and truth, and with all their heart.

  49. Soulless beings are IVF test tube babies, made in laboratories and machines, mixed with seeds of men

  50. I’m really feeling that the feet of iron and clay are demonic beings or offspring from The Genesis account of the nephillim. They could be released upon the world in the last days and create havoc and rule and mingle with the seed of man again however they will not produce any offspring. Iron I believe could be an indication of an extraterrestrial or demon as we know it- could even come from CERN or CERN type structure. CERN could be considered the bottomless pit as it has no end – as in a big circle. Clay would be indicative of human beings as we r made from clay.

  51. Saying a cloned person would have no soul is ridiculous! Cloning involves all the natural processes of life, except that the DNA from one cell to be cloned is placed in the cell, and the cell is activated and all the natural processes then take place. This is totally analogous to the combination of DNA that takes place during natural conception.

    Cloned animals, while having their issues, don’t appear to be any less of an animal than their DNA sources. A cloned person, if it survives for any length of time would almost assuredly be as much of a person as anyone else.

    Although cloning a person would be foolish, selfish, cruel, and the thought of it stirs up indignation. But experimenting with it on animals doesn’t have the same sort of implications, because we have dominion over the earth: “whatsoever kills a man must be killed” but not so with animals. Still, this is a slippery slope into abominable things also.

    • longcat

      good points

      one problem with cloning is the mixing of animal and human DNA….so is the result a human or an animal?

      your perception of human DNA going into a “cell” assumes that only human DNA is present and the host cell has nothing to contribute but mechanical processes to replicate and promote human growth…..

      that is not true…..the cell is a cell of SOMETHING…..

      and that something has DNA also ….which could either enhance or obstruct the human processes you assume are being accomplished.

      Cloning is a tragedy….if the result is not fully human, then there is a chance there is no human soul to it….God is creator , not man…but man is getting out of control and trying to play god.

      • It seems to me what you’re looking for is a reason to denounce cloning and genetic experimentation in humans. I agree with this sentiment without reserve, although for any other animal we should do what brings health and such. If a mouse or dog can be made to grow a human kidney on its back that can be implanted in a person and save their life, I can’t come up with a good reason that it shouldn’t be done.

        When I say cloning without qualification, I mean to take the DNA from an aged person and replace the DNA of a human ovum. You seem to be talking about genetic manipulation further than this. Right or wrong, I made a distinction between the two.

        I’m not a scientist (except on TV), but the gist of my understanding is that in the spirit of a good Object Oriented Program, DNA is divided up into metadata and data. Metadata says how to use the data, and data describes an object. The metadata says how many ears and where they go, and the data says how the ear is built.
        As far as I know, we can change the data in the genes, but we can’t manipulate the metadata. So if we insert a fluorescence gene into the skin data, a human may be born with fluorescent skin, but they would still be a whole person. Because of the interdependent nature of our genes, I don’t think it’s possible for a human to be made with a primate brain, or with bear paws, or anything like that. I can’t go into all the details. So…

        Do you want to know what a tragedy is? This is a tragedy, and it doesn’t require humans to bring it about: So if we want to think about a person being born without a soul, we don’t need to look past our natural world.

        Therefore in order to be “wise as serpents” there needs to be a better argument than “they won’t have souls” in order to reach a secular society – because it’s pretty clear to me that they would likely have a soul if they end up living more than a few days out of the womb, and atheists won’t care about souls or spirits but they are likely to respond to a humanistic or philosophical argument.

        I think a better argument against human genetic experimentation can be found. My opinion is that it’s offensive because it brings a person that is already aged and is cruel for that reason, it turns the person into a deliberate medical oddity and laboratory specimen which violates a person’s right to their own pursuits, it deliberately deprives a person from the lottery system of DNA combination by making them mutants and violates their right to partake in the lottery unmolested, and finally it offends me for a reason I cannot discern.

        I think you’re taking that undiscernible thing and saying they won’t have a soul; that’s well enough, but if you want to convince people not to do it, the appeal has to be at a different level.

        • long cat

          this all depends on the intentions, methods, and ethics of the scientist

          if one were to insert a small plasmid into a cell with only one gene, which ONLY performs one function, when processed by the cells’ machinery, then I see that as acceptable. an example would be inserting an insulin gene for diabetics so they would not have to take insulin daily.

          another would be annealing G DNA ends of damaged chromosomes to prevent unraveling of sensitive genes and prevent premature aging and alzheimers, and other diseases caused by “unraveled ends”

          but if they mixed a large DNA sequence into the cell, which would transform the person into a freak, then that is cruel.

          I have done the plasmids before, and the G DNA, and I see that as limited and helpful. I am a retired biochemist.

          • Science would never have existed if not for the fall. Satan offered science to man in the Garden. Satan offered knowledge. Science means literally “to know.” This is so obvious and basic that it is overlooked.

            Most of the people whom Christ healed forgot about him.

            Science is just another distraction.

            • nothing

              there is good knowledge that comes from God, and evil knowledge that comes from satan.

              there is also good knowledge that gets misused.

              science is the study of the created universe. the knowledge can be used for good or evil

  52. I don’t think something cloned will have a soul from God. God places the soul, and cloning is strictly prohibited by God. If the creature has a soul it will be evil I believe.

    • They are simply creating a physical dwelling place for demonic entities. Something more durable than the human body, but with all of its benefits.

  53. I agree with you, author.

    Daniel deliberately makes a distinction between “man” and “they.”

    “They” are not mankind.

    And is there not a precedent in the Bible: Gen 6…and after that also….

  54. […] Besides the already established connection with Baal, or his full name in this case, Baalhazor, “Lord of the Fortresses”, there is a curious parallel between this Ala Mahozim and the god Melkart, worshiped in the island kingdom of Tyre. This god was supposedly brought to the island by Astarte after he had fallen from the heavens. His name means, “King of the Fortresses”. […]

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