Tribulation – timing and patterns

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There is much discussion about the pattern and timing of events that will occur in the Tribulation, that I thought I would lay out different options, for people to consider.

One option I did not give an image for is the Pre-tribulation view.

In this, the rapture occurs before ALL the events, and so the rest of the time is irrelevant to the church.

I personally divide the end times into 2 periods:

Tribulation

Wrath

I believe all the testing of believers will be done in the Tribulation period, and only the wicked are left on earth for the Wrath.

The exception is unsaved Israel, which is sealed and protected for deliverance and salvation later, after Armageddon.

Israel is the “woman” in Chapter 12 of Revelation that flees to the wilderness to escape the wrath of Satan.

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The rest of the options are based on timing and interpretation of events, and involvement of the church to some degree.

So which view is correct?

Or does time just break down, as we know it?

Take a look at the options below. Are there other options?

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From Daniel 8:

Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.  (2300 days)

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From Daniel 9:

Dan 9:27   And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ( 1 week, cut in half, if 1 week = 7 years)

From Daniel 12:

Dan 12:6   And [one] said to the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, How long [shall it be to] the end of these wonders?

Dan 12:7   And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.

Dan 12:10   Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Dan 12:11   And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (1290)

Dan 12:12   Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (1335)

Revelation 12:

Rev 12:14   And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

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Could the seals, trumpets, and vials overlap? Or are they separate, and consecutive?

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Other posts on the Tribulation:

The Goat and the 2300 Days……. Click HERE for more

 

The Lady’s Fertile Time and Tribulation……. Click HERE for more

 

You will have Tribulation 10 Days …….Click HERE for more

 

70 years and the Last Jubilee …….Click HERE for more

Daniel’s Timeline ……..Click HERE for more

 

Daniel 2300 vs 2520 Days……. Click HERE for more

 

The 7 year End Time Covenant in Days and Years ……Click HERE for more

 

Harvest Times in the End Times ……Click HERE for more

 

Once in 28 Years – Blessing of the Sun Click HERE for more

 

The Hebrew Timeline for the Messianic Kingdom Click HERE for more

 

Will Messiah come this Next Jubilee Year? Click HERE for more

 


139 Responses to “Tribulation – timing and patterns”

  1. I believe Tribulation is NOW! In other countries , people are being killed everyday for believing…

    • HI Deb

      You are right in so many ways….but I do not understand why other countries are not getting hit. It seems like it should be a global situation.

  2. It has to be global, same with earthquakes and wars. When tribulation starts everybody will suffer, no matter where you are. That’s just my opinion.

  3. I really like the way you have aligned the seals/trumpets and bowls together so as to give a better visual picture.

    As you know, I am convinced that the 6th seal: 6)sun/moon/star event could be 2014/2015 with the solar/lunar eclipses occuring on Jewish feast days.

    So with this coming up within the next 4 to 5 years, we could put that date in the above chart as a reference point to see where we are regarding the prior seals, 1-5.

    And after looking further at the above chart, I would guess that the seals are separate (pretty certain about that) and that perhaps the trumpets and bowls/vials could be consecutive. These definitely appear to be consecutive.

    And on a final note, if we aren’t in the “distressing” times referred to in Matthew 24 (also called the tribulation), then G-d help us indeed for when the tribulation does come….There has to be some seals already broken…

    • HI lyndsey

      It looks like the trumpets and vials line up well. But one thing that puzzles me, is why the “same” event is mentioned twice, when it is not necessary.

      • Perhaps the trumpets are the “Cause” with the bowls/vials being the “Effect”.

        • Wormwood causes the water to be bitter….and as a result the sea turns red LIKE blood (similar to the gulf oil spill and how the sea turned red as a result of the chemicals mixing with other chemicals?)

          OR

          Because the water turns bitter, animals in the sea die and cause the sea to turn to blood as a direct effect of the bitterness…

          • And with the 7th trumpet (as in the “last trump”) coinciding with the 7th bowl/vial “it is done”…

            • Also, the last trumpet spoken of regarding the resurrection and catching away is not synonymous with the seventh trumpet judgment of revelaton. Just because there are seven angels with seven trumpets does not equal that the last angel equates to the “Last Trumpet.” These are two different trumpet events in that, the seventh angel with his trumpet is part of six other angels, where each time one is blown, some unprecidented plague comes upon the earth. The last trumpet, which is related to the resurrection and catching away of 1 Thes.4:16, has nothing to do with that last angel and his plague trumpet in revelation. They are two completely seperate events, not to mention that, there nothing in the verse is even mentioned about a resurrection and catching away at the time that the seventh angel blows his trumpet. What does happen is that the third takes place, which is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth:

              “Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But WOE to the earth and the sea, because the devil as gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

              Therefore, the third woe is Satan and his angels being cast down and restricted to the earth and they are now able to consentrate all their evil and malice upon the inhabitants of the earth, especially the great tribulation saints.

              • I was reading over the seals in Revelations 6.

                When I read verse12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,..”

                I am reminded of the solar/lunar eclipes scheduled for 2014/2015. The reason why these eclipses are important and of relevance is that they occur on Jewish Feast Days, 2 years in a row.

                So IF the 6th seal takes place in either 2014 or 2015, AND since the seals are broken in sequential order, then this would put seals 1-5 as occuring prior to 2014/2015.

                In verses 15,16 and 17 all the people are running and hiding in caves and the WRATH of the LAMB is mentioned twice.

                Then moving onto Rev 17:1 we read: “AFTER THIS I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth….

                verse 9 talks about every tribe, tongue and nation in white robes before the throne of G-d….

                Who are they? this is answered in verses 13-14 …”13Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

                14I answered, “Sir, you know.”

                And he said, “These are they who have COME OUT OF the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb..”

                So, by noticing the words COME OUT OF could be interpreted as the “rapture”/delivered from OR it could be interpreted as having GONE THROUGH the great tribulation instead of delivered from.

                I am choosing the first interpretation and this was my first thought when reading it.

                Moving on to Revelation 8…the 7th seal is broken and there is silence. I believe this heralds in the WRATH of G-d AFTER delivering us in Revelation 7 and clothing us in white robes.

                • Regarding Seal 1, I think this could be the AC coming up on the stage which I believe he already has. He doesn’t “formally” introduce himself until the abomination of desolation?

                  But regardless, he is here (if only behind the scenes) and this seal, IF it represents his arrival, this seal would have been broken already.

                  Regarding Seal 2, not sure if this is before or after the peace treaty. We could say that this began 9/11…maybe

                  Regarding Seal 3, perhaps this is the economic collapse and the devaluing of the dollar. If it is, then this seal has definitely been broken.

                  Regarding Seal 4, this is already taking place and many have reported “wild animals” appearing in the strangest places such as New York and attacking people.

                  Regarding Seal 5, this could be the “rapture” in that white robes are given as is also mentioned in Revelations 7.

                  If Seal 6 is 2014/2015 then the “rapture” would occur prior to this…

                  The above is only my best educated guess based upon news headlines, Mark Biltz and Nasa.gov and by reading thru the seals.

                  • Regarding Don’s comment on the seals overlapping with the trumpets…I found this:

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                    The Seventh Seal and the Golden Censer

                    1When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

                    2And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.

                    I interpret this as meaning the seals happen BEFORE the Trumpets are even given…

    • Hello all,

      Just a few observations:

      That main problem I see is with the interpretation of the following verse:

      “For the great day of their wrath has come and who can stand?”

      Because of the misinterpretation of the this verse, many proclaim that the wrath of God begins following that announcement. But what I believe is being announced here includes all of the seals, specifically the fourth of the earth’s population that was previously killed by the first four seals. These are also included in the announcement that his wrath has come. If I could paraphrase, the verse could be better read as “The great day of their wrath has already begun and will continue.” This would make more sense being that a fourth of the earth’s populatiion is going to be killed just prior to that announcemnet. And we know that the killing of these people is part of the wrath of God, because Jesus is the one opening the seals.

      • hi Don

        one aspect of the “wrath” announcement is that the kings of the earth run for safety into caves and places under ground. They do not seem to get hurt at this time. It seems that they would be the first to be destroyed, yet they appear safe at this time…Others have died and they are fine. So the wrath for them is “future tense.”

        • True, but that is not the only wrath, that’s just one result mentioned from it. That a fourth of the earth that is killed by the culminatiion of the first seals, would tell us that this is part of the wrath. You can’t just leave it out, seperate from the rest of the wrath just because it took place prior to the announcement. The wrath begins with the first four seals, the annoucement is made that his wrath has come and then the continuation of wrath will follow with the trumpets and bowls.

        • Bonkers.

        • I take that as bunkers. I wanted to add that I thought that the eagle’s wings that cover/protect the woman are us, the USA. Have you heard that one? I heard that I think when I was a teenager.

          • Johanna
            I tend to think that we are in the fourth seal right now. An Islamic super state coming together right now in the middle east.
            Many, but not all of these nations will attack Israel, and fail. The Lord will protect his people in this first attack, marking the beginning of the tribulation. Satan then will turn his attention to Christians marking the 5th seal. I believe this 3.5 year period will be the time of “peace and safety” for Israel (temple being rebuilt).
            After the rapture of Christians the Antichrist will attack Israel again in what will be the “Great tribulation”.
            I believe the eagle is refering to an earlier time under hitler/stalin when Millions of jewish people were killed, but a remnant survived in the US among other places. This 1260 days in revalation 12 being prophetic years 1948-1260=688, around the time the dome of the rock began construction.
            I know many do not agree with my timeline of events but they do make some sense. So in my opinion it is correct in saying the eagle is the U.S., but this event has already occured and ended when Israel became a nation.
            Happy trails on your quest to finding what revalation says. Let the holy spirit guide you, and look for the answers in the Word of God, not some mans interpretations. I look forward to hearing what you come up with.

            • Thank you so much for that insight! I forgot the Nazi connection with that eagle/eeww! Now what I am curious about and how this all fits in, is Israel’s “Dome” defense. It worked and missiles blew up. It reminded me of the “Left Behind” movie with Kirk Cameron that I have here.

              All my prayers and insights have been messages that are guiding me in a totally different direction.

              • The real dome of protection the Israelites have is God.!
                If you think of revalation as a script for a disaster movie, where different characters stories are told leading to the “day of the Lord”, is how I make my timeline. the OT prophecies will then begin to fall into place. Inother words the seals are one “character” and the trumpets are another one. they all start at different times, yet culminate in the “disaster”.

    • Regarding the belief that the seals,trumpets and bowls run parallel, I don’t believe that this could be the case, because they appear to be sequencial in order, insead of overlapping each other, that is, the seventh seal leads into the first trumpet, where as the bowl judgments are said to be the “Seven last plagues,” last, because with them God’s wrath is completed. And if these last seven bowl judgments as a unit complete God’s wrath, this would infer that there was wrath before the bowls, that wrath being the seals and trumpts. Not only that but, all three sets of seven judgments are identifyied as the wrath of God:(Seals as wrath 6:17, trumpets as wrath – 11:18, Bowls as wrath – 15:1)

    • Also, none of the seals, trumpets or bowls have begun, that is, the first seal has not yet been opened and that because, the first seal is the white horse that rides out as a conquerer bent on conquest. This identifies him as that beast as can be seen in the following verse:

      “He was given power to make war against the saints and to [conquer] them.” (Rev.13:7)

      This white horse and his rider is not to be confused with the rider on the white horse of chapter 19, which is the Lord. This rider and horse are a counterfeits of the horse and rider in chapter 19. Therefore, since this false christ has not yet been revealed, this would show that the first seal has not yet be opened. Another way that the saints of that time will know him, is when he makes his covenant with many (Israel for one) for that seven year period. Therefore, since the first seal has not yet been opened, then it would follow that since the rest of the seals follow sequencially, then none of them have been opened either. And since the trumpets and bowls follow the seals, they also cannot have begun. Besides that, the trumpets and bowls would be very easy to identify if they were currently taking place, because most of the earth’s population would be decimated or in the process of.

      • How do you figure that the seals have not begun to be opened?

        If what Walid Shoebat says is true, that the mark of the beast mentioned in Revelations was originally written in arabic and says “in the name of allah”, then it would stand to reason that some of these seals have already been broken, more specifically and at the very least, the first one.

  4. Rev 12

    ..Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. .. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
    7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    Satan isn’t on earth yet. Until he is revealed during the tribulation.

    ben’s comment posted by marianne

    • hi Ben

      for the Child portion to be correct, as well as the 1260 days, the Child could not only represent Jesus, but his church as well.

      So, once the child (church) goes to heaven, there is a war, and the Satan is cast down.

      he is the accuser of the brethren,….he may show up there in heaven some to do this, but he does NOT LIVE up there……he is mostly on earth.

      but once the church can no longer be accused, because it is now in heaven, there is no reason to allow Satan to come forward and accuse the believers.

      Following this logic, Satan is cast down when the church is raptured, and it is time for the wrath to begin.

      the woman Israel is left to escape to the wilderness, but is protected during the 1260 days of wrath.

      Time of wrath = trumpets and vials

      Notice Israel is sealed for its protection in Rev 7

  5. JR. Church, Gary Stearman and I are with Don. There’s 3 parts.

  6. “In this, the rapture occurs before ALL the events, and so the rest of the time is irrelevant to the church.”

    I don’t think so. Not knowing the day or the hour of the Rapture, I’m sure drives Satan crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! God’s clever.

    http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html

    The Unknown Hour
    When we search the Scriptures and read the passages describing the Lord Jesus’ return, we find verses that tell us we won’t know the day and hour of that event. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 indicates that the Jews will have to wait on the Lord 1,260 days, starting when the Antichrist stands in the Temple of God and declares himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven-year tribulation (Dan 9:27). Note that some people only see a three-and-a-half-year tribulation. In a way, they are correct because the first half of the tribulation will be relatively peaceful compared to the second half. Nonetheless, peaceful or not, there still remains a seven-year period called the tribulation. When the Jews flee into the wilderness, they know that all they have to do is wait out those 1,260 days (Mat 24:16). There is no way to apply the phrase “neither the day nor the hour” to this situation. The only way for these two viewpoints to be true is to separate the two distinct events transpiring here: 1) the rapture of the Church, which comes before the tribulation; and 2) the return of Jesus to the earth, which takes place roughly seven years later.

    The Time of Jacob’s Trouble
    In several passages, the Bible refers to the tribulation as a time of trouble for the Jews. The phrase “Jacob’s trouble” pertains to the descendants of Jacob. Jeremiah 30:7 says that this time of trouble will come just before the Lord returns to save His people. The final week of Daniel’s 70th week is yet to take place. An angel told Daniel that, “70 weeks are determined unto thy people” (Dan 9:24). Scripture never mentions that the tribulation is meant to be a time of testing for Christians. However, some post-tribbers try to claim that they are the ones being tested during the tribulation. To make this so, they need to spiritualize the 144,000 Jewish believers in Revelation 7:2-8 who receive God’s protective seal. Placing the Church dispensation into the same time frame as the seven-year Jewish dispensation, as the post-tribbers do, raises one good question: Can two dispensations transpire at the same time? In the past, God has only dealt with one at a time. Having both present during the tribulation would have to be an exception.

  7. I am with Mark Biltz in that the passage that states “no one knows the day or the hour” is referring to Rosh Hashana-Feast of Trumpets. This is the only Holy Feast day that “no one knows the day or hour” that it begins, thus the reason for the Jews celebrating the beginning of it for 2 days.

    So when Jesus was talking to his Jewish disciples he was referencing the High Holy Day of Rosh Hashana. The disciples would have caught on to this but the western world/gentiles would not have, not until now.

    This makes perfect sense in that Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts on his first arrival. In his second arrival, he will be fulfilling the fall feasts.

    And regarding the tribulation being 7 years, where does he say that tribulation will be 7 years? Jesus said we would have tribulation for 10 days….”the covenant with many” is for 1 week=7 years BUT is broken half way through. All bets are off when the AC does this, so no tribulation for 7 years.

  8. Putting in my thoughts even though I am not a Bible scholar to the extent you others are.

    I offer as a model the theory of David Lowe who wrote several books, starting with “Earthquake Resurrection” (the Dead in Christ are raised by such power that a world-wide earthquake occurs simultaneously).

    David believes the Tribulation started at the time Christ walked on earth, and that the 6th seal is the Earthquake Resurrection. Those who are “yet alive” are transformed at this time and raptured with the risen Dead in Christ.

    I believe David agrees with those who state that the “seven year covenant with many” does not need to be simultaneous to a seven year
    tribulation. He believes the trib has been ongoing, as I said, from the time of Jesus on earth. The anti-christ has been many, such as the conqueror of Jerusalem in the 7th century who build the Dome of the Rock and inspired the Christian Patriarch of Jerusalem to state that the anti-christ had arrived. (It has been a while since I read this book and I have lost it in moving, so forgive me if I am not l00% accurate in what David wrote).

    The present earthquake proliferation, much of it at shallow depth,
    and the increasing volcanic activity in many parts of the world makes us wonder if the earth is getting ready to throw forth the dead, in
    God’s timing, of course, and His power.

    I am not offering this as proven eschatology, just as a model which
    “sounds right to me.”

    Mariel

  9. Hey Mariel,

    That sounds right to me as well. Tribulation means “distress” and even the disciples went through this. And let us not forget Nero…Hitler…Stalin…just to name a few…

    My thoughts are that these men in history were reflections of what is to come and what/who we are to expect.

    To observe all the evil that has taken place throughout history right up to present day, it would be logical to assume that the source of this evil is here and has been for quite some time-not a future event by any means.

    The birth pangs have been increasing through more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions even over the course of just 1 year-this year.

    Thanks Mariel!

    *And for the record, I personally don’t believe that you have to be a bible scholar to understand the scriptures. Bible scholars tend to complicate things more than they need to..

    We just ask Him to help us understand and He will help us through His Holy Spirit. (the HS wrote the scriptures so who better to ask, right?)

    I have noticed that if you approach the scriptures from a more simplistic point of view instead of trying to complicate matters then they are more easily understood. That’s my 2 cents🙂

  10. The greatest awakening of all is that ISRAEL deceives. Zionists are of the Synagogue of Satan — so Americans need to get themselves right and stop these satanic wars they have allowed themselves to get roped into by the Zionists and start to learn the truth (begin at 9/11 truth) which will set you free of the DECEPTION and thus, in metaphysical terms, the ticket to hell.

    “Revelation 2:9 – …. and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.”

    Get real with what it’s really all about:

    http://www.citizensamericaparty.org

  11. On October 30 at approx. 3.30 AM, after a sleepless night, I heard a trumpet sound, steady and unbroken, then more joined in. I fell asleep and when I awoke I saw a vision of Gabriel and three other angels sounding trumpets. I thought of Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Since then I have seen St Michael being healed by Jesus in a vision (the archangel had arrows in his leg). The battle is taking place NOW: a spiritual battle, which may or may not manifest in the physical world. If we look for signs in a world of sin, we shall not find them. We must look for the signs WITHIN. Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Importantly, as believers we must listen to what Jesus says about the end: The Harvest. In particular, ONLY The Father knows the timing.

  12. That is incredible!

    It is my understanding that the sounds of the shofar represent certain events. Does anyone know what the sound that Catherine heard represents? She stated that it was “steady and unbroken…”

    Thank you Catherine! Keep us updated on any future visions or dreams🙂

  13. found this “Then God will answer with the steady blast of the shofar, signaling our total redemption.”

    “Sounds of the Shofar

    There are three types of sounds we blow with the shofar: a tekiah, a steady blast; a shevarim, a broken note; and a teruah, a shattered quavering note. They symbolize our prayers on Rosh Hashanah.”

    http://www.myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Jewish_Holidays/Rosh_Hashanah/In_the_Community/Shofar/Traditional_Teachings.shtml

  14. IF the shofar is only blown on Rosh Hashana, then this takes us right back to what Mark Biltz was saying!

    *the long steady blast is our “wake up call”

    1) Shofar is a ram’s horn blown on Rosh Hashana. It is an important mitzvah to hear the shofar in the synagogue each day of Rosh Hashana (except on Shabbat). The Torah calls this Yom Tru’ah (- a day of Shofar blowing) and Maimonides suggests that it is a “wake-up call” to take stock of what we can do to become better people. The shofar is also mindful of the biblical story of Abraham binding his son Isaac, when a ram was caught in the thicket and sacrificed in Isaac’s stead — an event that occurred on the day of Rosh Hashana. Click here to listen to the different sounds of the Shofar blowing.

    http://www.aish.com/jl/heb/s/58443712.html

  15. On Rosh Hashannah, the gates of heaven are open for repentance, charity and prayer.

    Maybe this is our last call to repentance.

    There are 3 types of trumpet blasts…..

    there are 3 levels of heaven.

    Gates are open in all 3 now, so God will hear our prayers.

  16. 4) Greeting #2 – On Rosh Hashana, the destiny of all mankind is recorded by God in the “books” of who will live and who will die, who will have prosperity, etc. Though these “books” are written on Rosh Hashana, our actions until Yom Kippur (10 days later) may change the verdict, when the “books” are closed and sealed.

    http://www.aish.com/jl/heb/s/58443712.html

    *The above reminded me of the “lambs’ book of life.

    And the 10 days until Yom Kippur could represent the 10 days of tribulation that could “change the verdict, when the “books” are closed and sealed”.

  17. George;
    In response to your post. You need to wake up! Judgement is coming to America.

    http://www.holybibleprophecy.org/september%2011%20prophecy.htm

    God is a God of History. He’s a covenant keeping God. The Veil is over Israel. God is in control. You cannot have a show down between God and Satan without the restoration of Israel, regardless of how anyone thinks it came about.

    http://www.ortzion.org/Jacob_wrst0.html

    Through the years I have observed in Churches and in Sunday schools how Jacob is being pictured in the minds of many people: the little, bent-over Jew with the typical “Jew” nose and chin, tricky, cheating, manipulating, and greedy. Never mind that Scripture speaks of Jacob as a very handsome man (Gen. 25:27). The word describing Jacob is “tam” – Strong’s Concordance 8535 – meaning especially “finished and complete.” This word is also used in prayer, blessings and modern Hebrew. The word implies “perfection” – both physical and spiritual – because it is especially used in connection with the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the Temple, in anticipation of the Messianic Reign, the reign of “perfection.”

  18. I was going to post this over on:
    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/detention-camps-in-us-for-emergencies/

    But I want to address this to George. Christians need to stay away from these Patriot Movements:

    http://www.equip.org/articles/the-patriot-movement

    The Patriot Movement

    Infiltrating the Church with a Gospel of Hate
    DP700
    Richard Abanes

    Summary
    Since the early 1990s, the national media has devoted countless stories to the increase of antigovernment militias throughout America. Many onlookers wholeheartedly endorse these paramilitary units as constitutionally protected expressions of freedom. Others see them as illegally formed private armies. In reality, the militias are far more complex. They represent the militant arm of the patriot movement, a diverse coalition of persons whose ideology is marked by three elements: rebellion, racism, and religion. The time has come for all Americans to critically examine this movement.

  19. Mariel;
    That certainly is a new concept, at least to me. I asked Marianne to do a post on the millennium. She may reconsider after reading this. I didn’t post the whole page, because it’s too long. But I think the information is important and I don’t want it to be missed, so I’m posting part of it.

    http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/amillennial.HTM

    Amillennial theology is in error – (no literal thousand year reign)
    By Don Koenig

    The prevalent theology of the Church for over fifteen centuries is that the Church is in the millennium of God. Those that hold this position say the thousand-year kingdom in the book of Revelation is only figurative and it really does not mean a thousand-years but it means a undisclosed period of time. The teaching generally is that the Christian Church is true Israel or has replaced Israel at Pentecost and that we have been in the kingdom on earth since Pentecost. Most who hold this view say all kingdom passages in the Old and New Testament dealing with unfulfilled prophecy must be spiritualized or allegorized to pertain to the Church. This position that there is no literal thousand-year reign is called amillennialism and it is held by most of the main-line liberal Protestant denominations and the Catholics.

    The early fathers of the first two centuries of the Church were premillennial, meaning that they thought that Jesus would come back before the promised earthly kingdom actually started. They included Pothinus, Justin Martyr, Melito, Hegesippus, Tatian, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus and Apollinaria.

    Amillennial theology actually began with a school of theology at Alexandria, Egypt in the beginning of the third century which proposed that scripture should be allegorized. Most of this theology was later rejected as heretical, but the allegorization of prophecy was retained by Augustine and incorporated into Catholic doctrine. The later reformed theology of the Protestants retained this teaching.

    Augustine taught that the Church was living in the millennial period. For that reason many in the Church fully expected the second coming around 1000 AD. When this did not occur the assumption was made that the thousand-year period mentioned in Revelation was also figurative and it just meant an undisclosed period of time. This doctrine is still taught in most of Christianity today.

    Dispensational premillennial theology – (the Kingdom on earth promised is still future)

    In the 1830’s Darby taught that there should be a distinction between Israel and the Church and that the prophetic scriptures to physical Israel will be literally fulfilled. This position says that those on earth are still before the thousand-year period taught in Revelation (premillennial). This view teaches that after Jesus’ second coming He will literally rule on the earth for a thousand-years. In this view there is a difference between the promises of the Old Testament to the descendants of natural Israel and those who have already been born into the new covenant by faith. Dispensational theology states that God has dealt with people differently in different dispensations of time (different rules for living), thus, the theology is called Dispensationalism.

    Those in this theology believe that when the times of the grafting in of the Gentiles are fulfilled, God will once again deal with the descendants of natural Israel to fulfill the literal promises in scripture directed to them. The new covenant actually was given to natural Israel without conditions but since they rejected their King they could not come into their kingdom. This gave time for the Gentiles to be grafted into the new covenant promise by God’s grace. Someday the descendants of Israel will acknowledge their offense and receive their King and the new covenant promises. At that time all scripture promised to the natural descendants of Israel will be literally fulfilled.

    This theology has become popular with Bible literalists and had been the view held by many evangelical denominations. It used to be the predominant view of Baptists, Pentecostals and independent Bible churches. Popular books such as the “The Late Great Planet Earth” by Hal Lindsey and the “Left Behind” series of novels by Lahaye and Jenkins have done much to teach the common Christian this view. However, in the last decades there has been a big shift in Evangelical and Pentecostal churches to post-millennial teaching that proclaims the church will defeat all enemies and establish a Christian era before Jesus returns (Dominionism). Never mind, that no such concept is taught in scripture. Never-the-less, this teaching has become popular because it appeals to the flesh. For this article we will focus on just amillennial and dispensational teaching.

    Dispensationalism is sometimes misunderstood. Dispensationalism is not different ways to find salvation; it is different rules for living in each dispensation for those who are saved on the basis of their faith in God.

    Which theology is correct?

    I believe that dispensational theology is generally correct, although I do not believe that all points in classic dispensational theology are correct. For example: I do not believe only those since Pentecost are the bride of Christ. I think all sons of Abraham that are saved by faith and trust in God are in the commonwealth of Israel and the olive tree and they are part of the body and bride of Christ. I think Romans, Galatians, Hebrews and other books of the New Testament make it quite clear that those before Pentecost drank from the same spiritual rock – which is Christ. (1Co 10:4)

    The real problem I have with the amillennial position is that it changes the true meaning of hundreds of unfulfilled prophetic passages. Much of the plan of God for the immediate future is done away with and is not taught. Much of the amillennial Church appears to be sleeping instead of reaping the harvest with the catalyst of an imminent return of Christ.

    The dispensationalist believes that natural Israel was chosen by God for the purpose of teaching the whole world the knowledge of God. The many laws and observances were to keep natural Israel as a distinctly pure people and priesthood on the earth. The covenant God had with Israel was based on their obedience to the Law. God said that if they kept the Law they would receive from Him a blessing and if they did not keep the Law they would receive a curse. In history we see this covenant being played out. God makes it unconditionally clear that if the nation of Israel returns to Him that He will restore them and be their God. As with all covenants with God this covenant cannot be broken even though today we see most of natural Israel still in disobedience and disbelief. Israel will be broken, but God’s promises to her will never be broken.

    Jesus delivered all who believe from the curse of the Law but the Jews have not yet believed. They cannot enter into into their promised kingdom on earth because of unbelief. Scripture indicates that one day after the time of the grafting in of the Gentiles is complete, they will believe and the kingdom will be restored to them. All the prophets tell us about this restoration but the amillennialist distort these prophecies by putting spiritual meanings on literal promises that God made to physical Israel – promises that cannot be annulled if God is trustworthy.

    Amillennial theology teaches that we are now in the millennial reign of Christ and dispensational theology says that it is yet future. According to Chuck Missler (a dispensational author/teacher), there are at least 1,845 references in the Old Testament and 318 references in the New Testament to the promise of an earthly kingdom with a literal Messiah ruling the world from His throne in Jerusalem.

    • “Which theology is correct?”

      No theology is correct!

      Man has to make G-d out to be more complicated then he really is! I guess this is what keeps man occupied until Jesus’ returns to set us all straight..LOL

  20. I know you are really focused on Trumpets right now, but at some point you might want to do a post on the 7 letters to the 7 churches like you mentioned on

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/revelation-17-who-is-the-woman-who-sits-on-7-hills/

    after watching Chuck Missler video.

    Is is 7 literal letters to 7 churches or period of time or both?

  21. Lyndsey;
    That’s what wrong with our world today. People don’t believe in absolutes, everything is relative.

    The definition of relative truth- Truth that is true at only one time and at one place. It’s true to some people and not to others. It’s true now but it may not have been true in the past and it may not be again in the future, it’s always subject to change.

    The definition of absolute truth-Whatever is true at one time and at one place is true at all times and at all places. What is true for one person is true for all people. Truth is true whether we believe it or not. Truth is discovered or it is revealed, it is not invented by a culture or by religious men. It will also be consistent within its own system and with reality.

    Question: “Is there such a thing as absolute truth / universal truth?”

    Answer: In order to understand absolute or universal truth, we must begin by defining truth. Truth, according to the dictionary, is “conformity to fact or actuality; a statement proven to be or accepted as true.” Some people would say that there is no true reality, only perceptions and opinions. Others would argue that there must be some absolute reality or truth.

    http://www.openbible.info/topics/moral_absolutes

    http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/content/what-does-bible-say-about-absolutes

    http://www.letusreason.org/Bahai%2015.htm

    http://www.gotquestions.org/absolute-truth.html

    I guess I wouldn’t be a Christian if I didn’t believe any Theology was right. That is what Eucumenical movement is all about; including everyone’s theology and blending it. That’s what replacement theology is all about.

    http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Timeline/Big.Chart.html

  22. John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and HE WILL TELL YOU what is yet to come.

    Theos= G-d
    Logos= Word

    Man has twisted G-d’s word (theos-logos) so many times and have, as a result, placed their “idea” of G-d into a box.

    This is why, once again, it is imperative that each and every believer receives the 2nd baptism (the baptism of the Holy Spirit, aka Spirit of TRUTH).

    Man seeks Truth, but the only way to know and have the TRUTH is through the Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit).

    G-D is Spirit! To understand G-d, one must understand the spiritual and the only way to understand the spiritual is through G-d’s Spirit-the HOLY SPIRIT, aka Spirit of Truth.

    The IRONY is that because of their twisted “theology” and man made doctrines and various religions they have dismissed and talked themselves out of the TRUTH that has been right in front of them the whole time.

    Man has chosen “his truth” over G-d’s.

  23. “End of times”, refers to ending the use of “time” as a measurement of all things.
    One must remember YHWH, GOd, the infinte one, allah, or what ever name you want to use did not use “time” to create.
    Time is another man made tool for “man” to explain his existance.
    If you take “time” out of the minds of man, everything will flow much more freely as it was always supposed to be.
    When you use “time” you then have a begining and an end.
    If you take time out of any equation as mentioned previously all flows freely and endlessly.

    • “In October of 1971 J. C. Hafele and Richard E. Keating placed four cesium-beam atomic clocks aboard commercial airliners and flew twice around the world in opposite directions, then compared the clocks against those of the United States Naval Observatory.

      The results were astounding and confirmed Einstein’s theory of time dilation.

      The clocks on the airplane flying east, though just minutely, had moved slower than the clocks on the earth. This experiment was repeated in 2005 by the National Physical Laboratory in the United Kingdom and received similar results.

      Scientists have even figured out a mathematical formula to calculate just how much slower time would go for a near light speed traveler in comparison to those remaining on earth. ”

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/enoch-and-elijah-and-einstein/

      Hey Marino,

      I love this topic of “time”. G-d gives us a hint in the scriptures regarding “time” when He says that a 1000 years is as a day to Him.

  24. You must remember MAN wrote the scriptures, not GOD.
    Man formulated words and maths (symbols) to explain “man’s” existance.
    Man’s mind perception of all is “man’s history (his story) of all.

  25. You must remember MAN wrote the scriptures, not GOD.
    Man formulated words and maths (symbols) to explain “man’s” existance.
    Man’s mind perception of all is “man’s” history (his story) of all.

    • “The Holy Bible is the inspired Word of God (John 1:1). This basically means that godly men were influenced by the Holy Spirit to write the Word of God. The word “inspired” means God-breathed. The Bible is for the teaching, rebuking, correcting and training mankind in righteousness according to God’s standards (2 Timothy 3:16). This is our assurance that the Bible is truly the Word of God and it is unique in comparison to any other book that has been written throughout history.”
      http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Holy-Bible—The-Inspired-Word-of-God-Or-Mans-History&id=4545606

      1 Corinthians 2:9-13: “But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: …Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” (KJV)

      1 Thessalonians 2:13: “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
      (KJV)

      2 Peter 1:20-21: “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (KJV)”

      2 Timothy 3:16: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” (KJV).

  26. One other thing, in which direction does man’s “time” travel in.
    If I am correct in saying this, light travels in ALL directions at once, so in which direction does this so called “time” travel???

  27. I am loving this, Lyndsey- you just stated my point when you mentioned to GoD one day was a thousand years, time has no bearing for GOD. And if one day was one thousand years, how long would a year be to GOD? do “man’s” math and you will get 365,000 years for just one year, times (pardon the pun) that again by 1000years and you get 365,000,000 for the thousand years for god’s one day.

    • Hi Marino

      Have you ever studied the scriptures? You will find that, yes, some of it is history,, but other parts is prophecy – about 30%. The prophecies that have been made have been fulfilled at the precise time and way in which they were predicted, sometimes thousands of years in advance. Prophecy transcends time. Man cannot do this. Only God can.

      One example is the prediction of the “time” of the Messiah. It was predicted back in the Book of Daniel the number of days ( years) from the time of the edict to rebuilt the temple, to the time of the Messiah. So, more than a man wrote this prophecy.

      Other prophecies do not give an exact time, but the general time frame. For example, Jeremiah predicted that Israel would be invaded, and that the Jews would be scattered to the “ends of the earth” until the “time of the end,” and then regathered again into Israel. He even predicted how they would be treated during all that time.

      Surely, “more than man” wrote those prophecies. Just something to think about.

    • Hi Marino,

      Not clear as to what your point is.

      You wrote: One must remember YHWH, GOd, the infinte one, allah, or what ever name you want to use did not use “time” to create.

      First, Allah is not G-d by any stretch of the imagination so I will exclude this title when referencing to the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.🙂

      Second, you are correct in stating that G-d did not use “time” to create.

      G-d simply spoke, used His words, to create. In doing so, G-d is the one who created “time”. He would be the one who created the mathematical laws of physics which makes up “time”.

      This is how G-d is able to be the Alpha and the Omega-the beginning and the end. He declares the end from the beginning. This is also the reason why all the prophecies found within the scriptures are 100% accurate.

      If 1000 years is as a day to G-d then this would tell us that there is some kind of time dilation? that has been created specifically for us while here on earth. The atmospheric “bubble” that encircles us holds within a different “time” formula compared to that which is outside this “bubble”. This in and of itself should speak loudly as to G-d’s existence and I find it amazing how it all works, even tho I am unable to comprehend the specifics of how it works.

      Needless to say, G-d created Pi and infinity and Einstein and beyond that is beyond me…LOL

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi
      http://online.redwoods.cc.ca.us/instruct/darnold/depapers/spring99/craig/relativity.htm

  28. Again all man made writings, When will all you people realise that, that is why the world is the way it is. Man will want to fulfill prophecies anyway he can, so as to keep the masses in check. You can fulfill the prophecies in many different ways to suit the person reading it. And all these were supposibly written by one man (Moses) that had no wittnesses to the event, but himself. If this happened in todays cycles and revolutions (the earth rotation and orbit), sorry today’s “TIME”, taht god came and spoke to him via a “burning bush” you would all would think that person is crazy and have him locked up in a mental institution.
    To fulfill a prophecy All you do is pick any event that happened in a perticular year (cycle) and you can find many which are simialr that will fit into that event. because the BIBLE is full of war and destruction of nations and people and still is today.
    And according to the scriptures followed it is the JEWS who predicted all these prophecies, yet they don’t accept the prophecy of Jesus, and according to your scriptures that is a major one.
    And if you don’t think that the powers that be in this day and age and throughout the ages (cycles) don’t know this, then you are very sadly mistaken.
    It all breaks down to controlling the masses (or should I say sheep, because that’s what you all are, wanting to follow someone or something and not take the lead).

    I mentioned allah and the other names because again not all the names for “GOD” is the name YOU (or one race of people) want it to be, (or for that matter not wanting to be a sheep).
    Even in the scriptures they don’t keep using the same name for “GOD”. As the scriptures say the name is unpronoucable, so who is to say how it should be said. (The first sound a baby makes when first brought into this world, which when one tries to spell a cry, could be spelt Yaaahweeeh, compress that down and you get YHWH) got off the subject there, but I can debate this forvever.
    It is perciscely this way of thinking that creates all the wars and destruction in the name of “GOD”.
    Either that or “GOD” has a funny way of showing that he has compassion for all.
    The only “being” that sounds like they would do that to me is SATAN, he strives on war and destruction of others. So who’s ways are you TRULY following.

    And when GOD mentions building a temple he is stating your body, mind and spirit and not some building, even Jesus mentions this.
    and
    I know i’ve gone way off the subject, but I have alot of compassion for all things and truly want those to understand that we are all meant to be truly free of mind ,body and spirit so as to be able to interact with all matter.

    • hi Marino

      I respect your opinion. I just don’t agree with it. Not all prophecies are self fulfilling ones.

      example:
      Jeremiah predicted the invasion of Babylon against Israel…there was no way Israel invaded itself, or would invite Babylon to invade it.

  29. Until humans realise that all they are fighting for is all in their minds, past on from generation to generation, history will continue to repeat, you don’t need propheices to predict that.

  30. Marianne, I don’t know how you can tuly say that Jeremiah predicted the invasion, this was bound to happen due to all the decietful dealings amongst the judaeans and those thrown off the lands. In true reality it was just some people who got pissed of from an earlier age and coming for revenge, hence my previuos statement on the generations.
    There is always three sides to every story, “his”, “their’s” and the almighty truth (which is almost impossible to find).
    We must all read all texts from all nations to get a draw true conclusion and not take for granted only one source.

  31. amjilt husai- mongolian for goodbye, it’s meaning-have a happy life and hope you prosper in future endeavors.

    The point is that “man’s” time is linear whilist, universal/natures law of time is cyclic.
    That’s why we shouldn’t use man’s time to determine events.

  32. I also meant to add, that is why prophicies are predictable, cyclic movements mean it will always come back, the length of the cycle depends on the energy and matter used as to how soon it will return.

    • ok…. if prophecy is predictable, and easy, then can you predict something specific that will happen in 100, and 1000 years from now? 🙂

      • I can predict what is going to happen to this guy if he doesn’t take heed and accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour! And he won’t be traveling through out the cosmos either…just sayin…LOL

  33. I think you mean 100 or 1000 cycles, (ALL prophecies never give a specific date, they all say “there will come a time when…”
    The input, output and usage (I.O.U) of energy and matter will determine when.
    I can give you a prediction now – humans will continue to kill humans and destroy civilisations for his own power and greed that is until we all as humans (and not the beast in us all) wake up and realise that HEY THIS ISN”T WORKING, the human powers that be can never truly control the masses before another uprising).
    History tells us this over and over and over again, CYCLIC, the wise men and true prophets all knew this.
    All empires have fallen due to their energy and matter to retain it has dwindled out and this will continue.
    That is, until we ALL use the energy and matter CORRECTLY and not RIGHT (right-is only a direction) and that I am afraid is up to all of us as individuals to realise, unfortunately.
    It could all happen tommorrow if we all decide to wake up and stop living in our own little boxes and realise there are many other boxes that we can all join onto to expand and help progress humans to the next level. Working and living together as humans and not beasts. Sharing and caring and helping(compassion) for one another. without worrying about money or “how much will that cost”, money is just a product, we have all come to heavily rely on it more so than the food and water we truly need to survive, people say that money makes the world go around, no it doesn’t, the world has been turning long before money, but I will admit it is speeding up the destruction cycles).

    If you can take wealth (MONEY) out of the minds of humans, all can be achieved, because NOTHING will be based on personal materialistic things. Just the good and well being of mankind to progress and prosper.
    But again unfortunately, wealth, power and greed today (also yesterday era) seems to determine how prophocies are played out, it can speed up our own destruction as money is just matter, used to fuel the/our energy. (think of how money energy has brought higher emmisions, destroys nature, vegetation, unnecesaary testing of nuclear weapons, which send reverbertions through the earth, the over use of natural resources and minerals (loss of density and natural coolants for the earth), et cetera, all this speeds up the natural cycles and will lead to a faster downfall for mankind.

    It is as simple as that. it is all in the mind, it just a matter of tapping into it.
    If our minds are willing to receive this energy that perminates all around us on earth and the universe it will come to you/us.
    We as humans have lost this ability because of the teachings handing down have lost there true meaning and how to correctly use this power for the benefit of all due to misinterpertation of the original.
    In very ancient ages, every being had this ability, but time being cyclic, civilisations are wiped out and knowledge forgotten due to these teachings being handed down by word of mouth then those still remaining had remnants of these teachings.
    which then only a chosen few retained this knowledge (arcane). and decided to use it for their own power and greed.

    One thing you must remember the times used in the scriptures has been ammended to suit the gregorian calender, so these “so called dates” have also been transfigured to suit.
    HOW LONG OR SHORT THE HUMAN DESTRUCTION CYCLES ARE IS ALL UP TO US.

    The possibilities for the human race is endless, and we do ALL have the capabilities IF the correct approches are chosen/taken.

    Sorry, I can go on but we are heading way off the subject.

  34. That is a neg. there Ghost Rider. G-d said men’s hearts are evil. The New Age states humans are basicly good.

    There’s your problem right there. It is not about energy, it is the soul that follows your New Age god called Lucifer that is the problem in the world. He is the Father of lies, and a murderer.

    Beliving humans, can turn away from sin, and make a peaceful earth is foolishness, and stating G-d the Father is wrong. G-d the Father died for you, and me in the word called Jesus Christ. He did so we would not be judged by the law, but seen through Christ’s sinless blood.

    You can not move up to a higher plane. That is New Age BS. There is only one word of G-d, who came to earth once. He will come in the clouds at his second coming, and as a King who now holds the keys to Heaven, and hell.

    The lie that Lucifer will give you is most likly UFO’s coming in the clouds, but do not believe it. Believe it is those fallen Angels that have respite, and they want to mislead you so you do not go to Heaven. They hate you with all their mind and spirit. They are evil, and the reason for all evil on earth.

  35. GOD/soul/spirit is another word for Energy and all energy is interconnected.
    As is all is in the mind.
    The reason for humans not being able to communicate or even yet travel through the cosmos, is because human’s minds are not tuned into the frequencies and ressonance of the energy of other celestial bodies/beings.
    Humans are tuned in to earth’s frequency and ressonance.
    We are just matter and energy using, producing and converting energy and matter for energy and matter positive and negative (which in true reality are just varying degrees of the same energy/matter).

    To LIVE is to know EVIL as they are one in the same word but with different degrees
    As is to know the DEVIL is to have LIVED.
    Before you come at me with what does that make GOD, it is said that a DOG is a “man’s” BEST FRIEND.
    remember keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer.

  36. One other thing .
    To be able to create all you first must have all, and not just the remenants.

  37. Correction to the above, ONE MUST OBTAIN ALL,(HAVE is too strong a word and implies selfishness and greed).
    Yes Jesus does hold the keys, but these are to be used too open all the paths of the mind so all can be as G-D, this is the intentions Jesus/G-D wants for all.
    ALL is the ONE, ONE is the ALL.

    • “so all can be as G-d,”

      You can be as G-d said Lucifer to Eve, you will not surely die.

      You spout the same lies as your Father Satan who desires to be worshiped as G-d.

      New Age BS is all marina mangone writes. See Lucis Trust, and read the New Age nonsense in depth.

      Jesus Christ is the word of G-d made flesh. Only through him can one enter Heaven. He holds the keys to life, and death. All those who deny Jesus Christ laid down his life for all mankind sin, will be denied by Christ at Judgment day, and judged by the law.

      There is only ONE Christ. He came once as a lamb, and will return as he was seen leaving. Buddha, Mohammad, Atheism, etc… will never come back to rule over mankind, or help mankind. They are of Lucifer to mislead mankind away from G-d’s love called Jesus Christ.

  38. John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

  39. And I guess you believe the earth is 13000 years old,
    You should get out there a stop reading one civilistions text and start opening your minds.
    Stop waiting for some to save you.
    We all have to start working together as ONE.

    • I wrote what I believe.

      Tell me, who do you worship? Humans will never have peace without G-d the Father in Christ name.

      The only thing the New Age will get is Nimrod to lead them.

  40. And if I treated my children the way YOUR GOD treated adam and eve (left them for dead) for one discretion when they had NO clue what the difference was between good and evil and he knew this very well. And he even knew they would do it. That tells me YOUR GOD has no compassion. He didn’t even explain to adam what death meant.
    So who truly is YOUR GOD.

    • My G-d is the same G-d that created you. He loved you so much, he died for you.

      G-d the Father gave Adam free choice, and Adam died so as not to lose his love Eve.

      The fallen Angel you worship hates you, and only want s to drag you down to hell with him. He does not rule in hell, and can not give you anything but death.

      Seek G-d the Father in Jesus Christ. He will answer you when he knows you are truly seeking him.

      His yoke is light.

  41. God free will or man’s free will, the god you belive in is the the one the JEWS told you to follow and then they kill the one man who was to save them. It sounds to me someone is playing tricks.
    I do believe in an infinite entity, but something smells extremely fishy, within the texts. There is something that does not make sense, is all I am trying to say that is why we should all keep our minds open. we should be looking for what is not mentioned within these texts.
    If you cannot have your cake and eat it, why create it, as it was made to be eaten, that is why you made it in the first place.
    I will however keep searching.
    I thankyou all for the discussions as it is keeping me alive.

  42. All you out there may be able to help me with one other question that’s being playing in my mind,
    If a “being” had none of the “5 senses” (as our minds control these senses) could that “being” still have a “sense” of existance?
    I believe yes, but as yet to understand WHY I would beleive this??????????
    And again I thankyou, I not trying to be ignorant on the beliefs/faiths of others and I know it comes across that way, and I apoligise for that.
    But as i have mentioned there is something that is going on that doesn’t make sense (no pun intended).
    Hence why I keep an open mind to all, I mighten agree with some statements but I always take it onboard, until I complete the puzzle that is in my mind.

    • Marino

      1. the story in the bible is man’s relationship with God. Man tends to reject the truth, and hurt himself. Then God has to come and rescue him, if he is repentant, and wants deliverance. Man wants to do everything his way, and it does not work. Only when he completely submits to God, will he be happy and safe.

      2. man is made of mind body and spirit. The spirit alone is the eternal “life” of the person, and is “aware” of its existence. When the body and physical mind is gone, the spirit will live on somewhere – either heaven or hell, depending on its rejection or acceptance of God in its life.

  43. Yes I know that ( your 1st point), but with regards to the bible, the christians took what teachings and laws it aquired from from the torah, Moses took his teachings and laws he aquired from the egyptians, and the egyptian’s must of got their teachings and laws from someone other civilisation (as there is no physical eveidence as of yet from which they came, some say atlantis but…?) and so on. And as with chinese whispers something always gets lost down the line because of misinterpertaions, and or misunderstanding of what the message meant to the original person (I do belive Ezra supposidly recored Moses’s messages) I hope you get what I am trying to say about that topic.
    That is why I believe their is one bit of infomation missing (like a missing link per say).
    I am also trying to combine science with religion, hence my very first comment on the 1000 years = to one day comment, which would make the universe 25.5 billion years old and not 15 billion, I just haven’t worked out the earth’s age within the formula, yet. And the “big bang” sounds alot like G-D expelling lucifer from heavan (matter and energy). With the two together keeping each other in check. Hence my comment on keeping your enemies close, as both are each others enemy.
    But there seems to be a female entity missing somewhere along the path. (or is this what they where fighting over which caused lucifers down fall??? and not for god’s power, please don’t crucify me for that thought, remember the chinese whispers).
    My mind is racing a million miles with many many thoughts and ideas, and I am questioning everything, that’s why I have to keep my mind open to allow it all to come in and out. so please excuse my tangents.

    Your second point is what I beleive is close to what my thoughts are. The eternal energy that connects/interconnects with all beings, sense of existance.

    as the saying goes,
    tell me I hear, show me I see, involve me I learn.

    • Moses took his teachings and laws directly from G-d. Moses also wanted “show me I see” and G-d showed him by hiding him within a cleft of the mountain as He walked by….allowing Moses to see Him.

      Exodus 33
      Moses and the Glory of the Lord

      12Moses said to the Lord, “You have been telling me, ‘Lead these people,’ but you have not let me know whom you will send with me. You have said, ‘I know you by name and you have found favor with me.’ 13If you are pleased with me, teach me your ways so I may know you and continue to find favor with you. Remember that this nation is your people.”

      14The Lord replied, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”

      15Then Moses said to him, “If your Presence does not go with us, do not send us up from here. 16How will anyone know that you are pleased with me and with your people unless you go with us? What else will distinguish me and your people from all the other people on the face of the earth?”

      17And the Lord said to Moses, “I will do the very thing you have asked, because I am pleased with you and I know you by name.”

      18Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

      19And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”

      21Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”

      Marino,

      The answers you seek you will most assuredly receive when you go to G-d and ask!

      Matthew 7:7″Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

      Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

      Psalm 62:5 Find rest, O my soul, in God alone; my hope comes from him.

      • Marino,

        A group called Third Day wrote a song about Exodus 33.

        For most of us christians we have seen and/or experienced G-d’s glory in 1 way or another. Our 5 senses might be used or perhaps our 6th sense-remembering that all of which were given/created by G-d.

        Know this, that even a person who is deaf can Hear G-d and a blind man will most assuredly see Him! With G-d, anything is possible😉

  44. Thanks, for the info.
    I have been researching many ancients texts, Nag Hammadi library, the Essene teachings, Hermetic philosphy texts, the emerald tablet texts, the rosicrucian texts, alchemical texts the sons of fire texts, and much more. I also have been comparing texts from the original 17th century king james bible and Douay-Rhiem version of the bible, I only wish that i could access the secret files in the vatican, as I know they are hiding alot.
    As you well know alot of informatuion has been purposly destroyed, so we may never get the true truths on life and death. Because it is amazing how these ancient peoples lived for hundreds of years. and i truly do not beleive that we only live for an avergae of 80 years today because thats the way it is today. there is something more to it. That is why finding the truth is all more important to me, as i have feeling a deep down inside of me (a sense) and is calling out, I have had to many coincedences after coincednces happen (and there is not true such thing as coincidence) these happen when things align up it just a matter of reading the signs, which i am only starting to understand. unfortunatley when the turth is found alot of humans will not like it as the truth tends to hurt.
    I will finally leave this site which has opened a few doors in my mind and leave you in peace. thankyou all once again.

  45. yes can you send me an email explaining your tribulation mapping if you have time id be quite interested if you could teach me email me please

    • hi shane….

      I do my best to post what I think may be true on my site….look at the post above on this page, the links at the end, and the discussion.

      There is one person who thinks the seals = the trumpets – then the vials come.

      Try looking at all this, then see if you can come up with specific questions. It is a big topic, and needs to be addressed – one detail at a time.

      Thanks for asking.

  46. For some “strange” reason I was wondering what John Hagee thought of current events….”Get ready! Planet earth is about to become the playground for the Anti-Christ and his New World Order. The church will be raptured before the Anti-Christ appears; and I believe he could be introduced in Europe at any time. Pray up! Pack up! We’re going up…and very soon. I’ll chat with you next week!”

    Pastor John Hagee

    http://www.tribulation-now.com/2011/02/pray-up-pack-up-hagee-warns-of-rapture.html

    • Evidently, John Hagee was a firm pre-trib person and now he has recanted!!

    • I call BS on Hagee. Christ said do not be afraid these things are to happen.

      The Anti-Christ does not even show himself to be Lucifer’s man until the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation. Have we already done the first 3.5 years?

      We are to be ready to die every day. Just from the information on this web site, it does not appear Christians are going to be let of the hook in an easy pre-trib rapture. I hope I am wrong.

      Hagee seems to me to be a drama Queen. Enjoying the spot light. What is called by my kind as the G-d business.

  47. I’m really glad the overlapping model is depicted above because there is a problem with all the islands growing back up out of the sea by natural processes in less than 3.5 years to yet disappear a second time.

    Rev 6:14 And the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

  48. Again, the subject needs clarification, although I’m well aware that to read on doubtless goes against your nature and grates on your thinking. I told you before that I’ll give up when there are no more significant dates/patterns/spans to ponder. Sadly (NO!…..gladly!)…..there’s MORE to ponder.

    We’re again dealing with the 3-day overlap which fits the three 1260’s exactly.
    (1260 Elij & Moses’ ministry til killed, 1260 Petra Protec beginning the day a.c. is killed until the Second Coming, 1260 a.c. ‘keeps’ covenant w/ Israel beginning at the probable Wed SIGNING Apr 11 & lasting til Wed, Yom Kippur, 2015, a.c. breaks covenant). The 3 uncounted days at mid-trib (a.c. dead) make up for the 3-day overlap.

    Dan 12…..1290 days span YOM KIPPUR 2015 to JESUS into TEMPLE (Isa 63), Apr 6, Nis 1, 2019.

    Dan 12…..1335 days span YOM KIPPUR 2015 to the END of the TRIB.

    The Signing (Apr 11?) plus exactly 2550 days is Apr 6, 2019, Nisan 1, Jesus into Temple, Isa 63, as the 2550 yrs from 583 B.C. 1st Temple Destruc to 1967 A.D., Temple Mt Reclaimed. 2550 is 2520 + 30.

    The 75 days on the pre-Rapture side of the trib (in GRACE) span Jan 29-30, 2012 (end of the 1 solar yr warning which began Jan 29, 2011/UFO over Jerusalem) to the probable Rapture date of Sat, Apr 14. The 1-yr warning is reviewed in Jerem 51:46. The hovering orb over the Temple Mt was doubtless the Rev 11 Divinely-commanded angelic measuring of the Temple area (Shevat 24..11/888). Try as they might, critics cannot debunk it.

    The 75 days AFTER the RETURN is the combination of 30 days mourning (Zech 12:10, 13:6) & the 45 days Judg of the Nations = the 75 days in JUDGMENT). The two 75’s ‘cancel’ each other out as in a mathematical equation.

    April 14 (2012) as per the Mazzarot, is ARIES 24 (8,888), the ultimate #8, Jesus’ Number, of the Mazzarot; and the Church only functions in His Mighty number ‘8’……spec. Aries is the 8th sign, the LAMB…..as per ‘the LAST day of the Age of Grace’ (Rapture). After the Rapture, Jesus’ WRATH is poured out upon the earth (not ‘lamb-like’).

    The SIGNING/7-yr Covenant w/ Israel (signer unrevealed until after the Restrainer is “taken out of the way”) likely takes place WED, Apr 11, the 6th day of Passover, Nisan 19. Exactly 1260 days later (during which a.c. ‘keeps covenant w/ Israel) is the day the a.c. BREAKS the Covenant, YOM KIPPUR, 2015 (Sept 23). The a.c. breaks the covenant by stopping the dy sacrifices and entering the Temple (his ‘image’) to be worshiped as ‘God’ upon which he is murdered (or ‘looks like’ he was murdered).

    The Rabbi in Israel who concluded that according to the computerized Bible Codes (as per the equidistant letter spans, etc), Passover 2012 is the ‘year of the Jews’ Redemption’ may be realized with the Nisan 19 (6th day Passover) signing by the a.c. with Elijah arriving (as promised in Malachi) 3 days later.

    Three days after Yom Kippur, 2015, is TISHREI 13, SATURDAY. On this day the a.c. satanically ‘RISES’ and kills Elijah & Moses (a.c. finally now w/ satanic power to kill them), ending their 1260-day ministry. They rise 3.5 days later. Their job of getting the believing Jews to Petra will be completed. Note the number ’13’ in relation to the day the a.c. satanically ‘rises’…..#13 = rebellion.

    The Jews in Israel who believe Elijah & Moses’ message (during the two witnesses’ 1260-day ministry) will flee to Petra the day the a.c. is killed (Wed, Yom Kippur, Sept 23) and their 1260 days of supernatural protection span Yom Kippur, 2015, to Jesus’ Return, Wed, March 6, 2019). They won’t call Jesus back until the last day of these 1260 days.

    All else is the same as in the last letter:

    *Return, March 6, 2019 (as per Rev 19, Num 19, Isa 19:19/Pyramid vs…..spec of an interesting #.

    *30 days later Jesus into Temple (Isa 63) to Reconsecrate April 6, 2019, NISAN 1 (Ezek 45:18), the day the Millennial Temple is to be cleansed (New Years Day).

    *NISAN 1, 2019 is also the exact END of the Daniel 8:13-14…2300 days of Temple Worship, beginning on the 8th day of Hanukkah, Dec 16, 2012, which is TEVET 2, Jesus’ concep day anniv. Hanukkah is TEMPLE DEDIC DAY (as per Haggai 2, Temple Dedic Day, that Jesus’ also celebrated/Kislev 24-Tevet 2).

    *Dec 16, 2012 is also the end of 7 mths burying bodies/bldg 3rd Temple. May 14-16, 2012 to Dec 16, 2012 is the SEVEN MONTHS. The N. Invasion of Israel spans any time from the Rapture to May 14 (about 30 days); and a Divine Victory in the mts of Israel (Ezek 38-39) on May 14 would draw attention to Israel as an earth-shaking (hail/earthquake) supernatural event on their Statehood anniv day. Burying + bone search will likely begin May 16, seven mths before Dec 16, Tevet 2. The ‘pre fab’ (?) 3rd Temple can be erected during these same 7 months. Also weapons gathered from this invasion takes 7 yrs for Israel to burn for fuel/Ezek 39:9).

    *When Jesus enters the Temple 30 days after His Return (Isa 63) w/ the believing Remnant who will have CALLED HIM BACK, the 45-day judgment of the Nations begins. There could likely be 70 nations who will send ambassadors up to Jerusalem on each Tabernacles Feast during the Millennium (Zech 14).

    *The end of the 45 days (end of trib) is GEMINI 1 (10th sign/TWINS/’the 2 finally walking in harmony’/Israel & Messiah).

    The Rapture on Saturday will be NISAN 22 and 22 is double 11 (double judg)……spec.

    The MID-TRIB (YOM KIPPUR, 2015, a.c. breaks covenant) is LIBRA 1, the sign of the JUDGMENT SCALES, ‘beginning of Great Trib’ (1260 days lasting from Yom Kippur to the Return).

    Realize that once the earth is straight (Isa 13:13, 24:1,19,20), the 2 calendars (Jewish & Greg) and the Mazzarot will each be a 360-day cycle, a perfect, Millennial yr. Know too that the trib days (2520) functions on a perfect 84 mths of 30 days each (and 84 mths is seven 360-day yrs).

    The most ideal Mazzarot/Calendar Harmony during the Millennium would be for NISAN 17 to be on ARIES 17 AND for it to be the SAME DAY as NISAN 1. Well, THAT is the CASE!….because APRIL 6 (NISAN 1, 2019, Jesus into Temple) is ARIES 17 which will be MARCH 17 during the Millennium. If one subtracts the earth tilt prematurely (21-day loss as earth straightens to a 360-day perfect yr), April 6 reverts back to March 17. In other words, March 17 will be Aries 17 and Nisan 1 all at the same time! This only holds if Nisan 1 is March 1 each year during the Millennium (as well as Aries 1). It stands to reason that the Millennial New Years’ Day would begin on the beginning of the 8th Mazzarot sign (Lamb), the 1st day of Spring. The above conclusion is the only way that both NISAN 17 and NISAN 1 can both be the BEGINNING of DAYS.

    If the above is NOT the case, then APRIL 1 will be New Year’s Day each year during the Millennium; and an interesting note about that is APRIL 6, 2019 (Jesus into Temple) plus exactly 360 days (1st perfect Millennial yr) is APRIL 1, 2020. None of this is that important; but all up to this point is so perfectly mathematical that it begs contemplation by some.

    So, the biggest proofs of a possible Sat, Apr 14 Rapture this year are:

    75 days on both sides of the trib
    mid-trib Yom Kippur 2015
    Jesus into Temple Nisan 1, 2019
    Hanukkah, 8th Day, starts 2300 days Temple Worship
    Rapture Aries 24 (8,888)
    End of trib Gemini 1
    Minus 21 days is March 17, Aries 17, same as Nisan 1 (rare)
    The three 1260’s jive in all respects
    Nisan 1, 2019, Millennial Temple Cleansed (Ezek 45:18)
    Nisan 1, 2019 still in ROSH 2018 (5779), end of Pyramid timeline (2011-2018)

    As the earth straightens, a March 6 RETURN will likely take 2 days (Hosea 6:2-3, “raised up on 3rd day”…..?), settling on March 8, then the minus 21 is exactly Feb 15 plus 30 days mourning is March 17 which by that time will be Aries 17 as well; and during the Millennium Aries 17, March 17 and Nisan 17 will all be the same day……spec.

    Well, if you read all of the above, you are to be congratulated (or disciplined??)….No! I need the discipline for confusing you again! Then again, perhaps the fervor is to be admired.

    ……….J.H.

  49. SPECULATION at its best!….great GLEANING material and lots to connectl!!!…..a Tuesday, May 1 RAPTURE???

    Guess what! The Church will be RAPTURED on Firstfruits, 2012 (Sun, Apr 8) after all!……but 23 days later!……..on TUESDAY, May 1. That day is also TAURUS 11 (9th sign/BULL ANGER x 11 = 99) After the earth is straight (a loss of 23 days), the date of the Rapture will be seen as Sunday, Apr 8, 2012.

    TUESDAY is the 3rd Day and the ancient GROOM ARRIVAL DAY (one meaning of Hosea 6:2-3).

    The trib now spans FIRSTFRUITS 2012 to FIRSTFRUITS 2019. Firstfruits (NISAN 17) of 2019 is April 22, which is 30 days (Jews mourn Jesus/Zech 12:10, 13:6) after the RETURN. Nisan 17 is of course the greatest day on earth, the day death was conquered as well as the anniv of the end of the flood, Red Sea Crossing, Entrance into Canaan, Haman hanged, Jesus’ Resurrection and Jesus’ Entrance into Temple.

    Saturday, April 28, 2012, will probably be a SIGNING of some sort (a.c. yet unrevealed until after the Rapture), then plus 1260 days (a.c. ‘keeps’ covenant w/ Israel) is Sat, Oct 10, Tishrei 27, 2015, a.c. killed.

    Three days later, TUESDAY, Oct 13, Tishrei 30, 2015, a.c. satanically ‘rises’ and kills Elijah and Moses.

    Three+ days later is Oct 16, Chesvan 3, 2015, Elijah and Moses RISE. If the 23-day tilt loss projection is considered, then Chesvan 3 will revert back to YOM KIPPUR, 2015. Before the 2 witnesses rise, gifts will be sent to one another throughout the world rejoicing at the death of these 2 dangerous men that could not be destroyed until the a.c. satanically rises with supernatural power to kill them. But when the 2 witnesses miraculously stand up 3+ days later (world sees), the GREAT TRIB begins……no more joy! If this day (when the -23 is considered) is to be seen in the future as YOM KIPPUR, then this will be the first Yom Kippur in history where NON FORGIVENESS takes hold. Up until the death of the a.c. the Jews will be using their newly-built 3rd Temple; but at mid trib, everything changes and all Hell breaks loose when the 2 witnesses rise.

    May 1, 2012 is IYYAR 9 and the end of the trib with the -23 considered is also IYYAR 9 = 7 perfect Jewish yrs.

    IYYAR 9, 2019 is May 14, 70 full yrs STATEHOOD (70 full is 71)….the last date that the span is a ’70’ (just as a child is AGE ONE and not yet AGE TWO all the way til the 364th day of age 1). God always works in ‘fullness of time.’

    The end of the trib if the -23 days is NOT considered is JUNE 6, 2019….52 yrs from the 1967 Six Day War.

    Jesus Returns ARIES 1, the 8th Sign/Lamb. This is the Day the Jews CALL their LAMB back to earth.

    30 days later (mourning) is TAURUS 1, the Raging Bull (Deut 33:17), the day Jesus enters the Temple w/ the Remnant from Petra (Isaiah 63) to rule with the rod of iron……very tough, Jewish Messianic rule for the 1000 yrs. That day is April 22, 2019, NISAN 17, FIRSTFRUITS. On this day the 45-day JUDGMENT of the NATIONS begins. Taurus 1 fits this scenario in that the judgment meted out upon the nations will be harsh beyond imagination. This will be ‘judgment by the BULL’ (Deut 33:17), not ‘mercy by the LAMB.’ When the date of Firstfruits, 2019 is studied, according to the calendar it is the SAME day as the new, Millennial NISAN 1 (i.e. Apr 1 and Apr 22 will be the ‘same day’…..BEGINNING of DAYS as commanded by God to Noah.

    When the 45-day judgment of the Nations is over, that day will not only be May 14 and June 6 (one w/ the -23, one not), but it will also be GEMINI 15, the exact middle of the 10th sign (10=completion) when the TWINS (Messiah & Israel) walk together in harmony.

    The only Mazzarot connection at mid-trib is that Oct 13, 2015 (a.c. ‘rises’) is LIBRA 22 and LIBRA is the sign of JUDGMENT (balancing scales), and 22 is double 11…i.e. double judgment; and…..spec.

    The pre-Rapture span is very interesting as well. Note that the 1-yr warning/Jerem 51:46 (Rev 11, Jan 29, 2011 Temple Mt UFO, Shevat 24…11,888) plus exactly 360 days (1 perfect/Millennial yr) is Jan 24, 2012 (end of the 1-yr warning). Then add 98 days to that to arrive at Tuesday, May 1, the presumed Rapture date. 98 is 75 plus 23. The 75 on THIS side of the trib is in GRACE and the 75 on the post-Return side of the trib is in JUDGMENT; and they ‘cancel’ one another out. 75 plus 23 is the 98 days, and the 23 is the earth tilt that will be subtracted as well when the earth straightens. Thus the 98 days will ‘CANCEL OUT altogether.’ There HAS to be an explanation for the delays up to the Rapture as well as the points within the trib scenario. God worked through and revealed perfect patterns all through history and He’s not going to put us out into total oblivion when we are ‘children of light.’

    The straightening of the earth is reviewed in Isa 13:13, 24:1,19,20. Before the flood, earth’s yr was 360 days. The straightening will occur when Jesus’ FOOT touches down upon the Mt of Olives (Zech 14:4, Rev 19)….geological tumult as never before. The sun’s rays that shine upon a certain spot on earth (which determines its season at that spot) will then shine 22 degrees before that spot on earth (which determines its season as well….i.e. the new date will be as it was 22 days earlier). The 2 calendars and the Mazzarot (360 days each) will all be in sync.

    All is still in sync w/ the above scenario: 1260 Elij & Moses’ ministry, 1260 a.c. ‘keeps’ covenant with Israel, 1260 Petra Protection, 1290 mid trib to end, 1335 mid trib to end, 2300 New Yrs Eve (?) to Nisan 17, 2019, Divine Victory in mts of Israel June 6, 2012 (+7 mths burying = Dec 31, 2012), June 6, 2012 to June 6, 2019 is the 7 yrs fuel use of Russian weaponry (Ezek 39:9), trib Iyyar 9 to Iyyar 9, the 2550 days (as the 2550 yrs 583 B.C. to 1967) are SIGNING (Apr 28) to Jesus into Temple Nisan 17, 2019 (Apr 22) and the most amazing: Firstfruits 2012 to Firstfruits 2019. There’s nothing else to figure from what I can see.

    When the earth reverts back 23 days, that day will be as the new ADAR 1 (even though it is the actual IAdar 24), plus 30 days is the new NISAN 1 (which will be APRIL 1/New Yrs Day/Taurus 1 for 1000 yrs), even though March 31/Apr 1 is the actual II Adar 24 in 2019. Also March 30/Apr 1, 2019 plus exactly 360 days (1st Millen yr) is Mar 26, Nisan 1 of 2020…..dare you to get all that. Notice all the 12’s in the post Return dates (I ADAR 24, II ADAR 24) and 12 means perfect gov’t. Leo, the 12th Mazzarot sign, and Jesus is the LION of JUDAH. The study of 12’s is, of course, fascinating: 12 tribes, 12 disciples, 12 mths, 12 hrs, 120 etc………..no time for that now.

    With the world coming apart: strange sounds underground, horrific sinkholes, animals dying, UFO’s, gas prices going up, U.S. against Israel (thus God’s judgment upon the U.S.), Israel in extreme danger from Iran, rampant homosexuality & taught in schools, Islamic threat to the world/terrorism, political corruption in U.S. beyond belief with no solutions, extreme unemployment, home foreclosures, crime, x-generation of teens, watered-down Gospel & compromising pastors, school textbooks teaching evolution and corrupt forefathers, society infatuated & brainwashed with sports & music/dance idols, euthanasia on the horizon, threat of no health care for seniors,…..etc……when does it get bad enough to ‘LOOK UP’ as Jesus told us to do. Our necks will get sore if we look up for nothing!! He said we would know when He is at the door…..of 72 hrs of course.

    So TUESDAY, May 1 fits all. Let’s hope…………J.H.

  50. NOTE the many reasons for a SUNDAY, SHAVUOT 2012 RAPTURE:

    Can’t believe I’m still at this??!….Well, get a grip! because the following SHOULD amaze you IF you have not given up? What kind of a fool would I be to give up now?! It is IMPOSSIBLE to give up when one ponders the following. Daniel didn’t say that the subject would become more obscure, but CLEARER! What is one to do, pray tell me? Sadly, I didn’t formerly agree with the prophecy experts who saw Shavuot, 2012 as a very possible Rapture date; but I surely see why now. The following only clarifies the details of some of the significant patterns involved:

    1-yr warning (Jerem 51:46) spanned Jan 29, 2011 (Temple Mt UFO,Rev 11) to Jan 29, 2012 (+4 mths to Shavuot).

    Add 49 days to Easter Sunday, Apr 8 (Nisan 16) to arrive at Shavuot/Pentecost, 2012 (Sunday, May 27, Sivan 6) a very possible Rapture date. Sivan 6 is the B-day of Judaism/Giving of the Law and the B-day of the Church (Pentecost). The disciples waited 49 days from Resurrection to Pentecost (Holy Spirit given).

    Jan 29, 2012 (end of the 1-yr warning) plus exactly 4 Jewish mths (“to Harvest”) is Sunday, May 27, Shavuot/Pentecost, Sivan 6. Thus, it looks like the Church must notice the ‘120’-day warning (“to Harvest”) as well as the 49-day wait (the delay endured by the 120 disciples in the Upper Room) to the RAPTURE. As for a ‘days of Noah’ sign, the 120 days is akin to the 120-yr warning to the world while Noah built the ark.

    God commanded Noah to start the “BEGINNING of DAYS” at the day the flood ended, NISAN 17. In the Millennium the 1st day of the year will be NISAN 1, APRIL 1 when the earth is straight and both calendars and the Mazzarot are synchronized (NISAN 1, APRIL 1, TAURUS 1). At the RETURN, the earth reverts back from April 21 to April 1 (actually Mar 30+) because the straightening likely takes 2 days (i.e. minus 23 plus 2). See the presumed Millennial calendar below (& remember that each Mazzarot sign presently begins on the 21st-23rd of each month but WILL begin on the 1st day of each month when the earth is straight (Isa 13:13, 24:1,19,20) with both calendars and the Mazzarot 360 days each as at pre flood:

    SPRING:

    Nis 1…….Apr 1…….Taur 1

    Iyyar 1….May 1……Gem 1

    Siv 1…….June 1…..Can 1

    SUMMER:

    Tam 1…..July 1….,Leo 1

    Av 1…….Aug 1…..Virg 1

    Elul 1…..Sept 1…..Libr 1

    FALL:

    Tish 1….Oct 1……Scor 1

    Ches 1…Nov 1…..Sagi 1

    Kis 1…..Dec 1…..Capr 1

    WINTER:

    Tev 1….Jan 1……Aqua 1

    Shev 1…Feb 1…..Pisc 1

    Adar 1….Mar 1….Aries 1

    Exactly 2520 days past Shavuot/Pentecost, 2012 (Sun, May 27) is FIRSTFRUITS, Sunday, NISAN 16, April 21, 2019, TAURUS 1, the presumed RETURN. Taurus, the 9th sign, is the ‘angry bull/judgment’….Deut 33:17. He came the first time as a LAMB (GRACE); but the 2nd time will be in JUDGMENT. The Millennium will NOT be easy for anyone….strict beyond belief. The Millennial SPRING will begin at the 9th sign (Taurus) because the gentleness of the LAMB (ARIES, 8th sign) only pertains to the AGE of GRACE. We only know Jesus as the LAMB; but the world at His Second Coming will see Him as an ‘angry bull’ (judgment).

    30 days of mourning (Zech 12:10, 13:6) after the Return is GEMINI 1, the day Jesus walks with with His Remnant from Petra up to Jerusalem (Isaiah 63), May 21, 2019. Gemini (10th sign) is the ‘twins walking hand in hand in harmony’ (Jesus & Remnant). This Temple Entrance Day is also 2550 days past the Rapture date as the 2550 YRS from 583 B.C. (1st Temple Destruction to 1967, Temple Mt reclaimed). 2550 is 2520 (1260 + 1260) plus 30.

    With the above in mind, the horrific mid trib is Nov 8, 2015, SCORPIO 18 – note Rev 13:18. This day is the 18th (666) day of the ‘death sign’ (Scorpio), Great Trib Begins. SUNDAY, Nov 8, 2015 is also CHESVAN 26 (double 13), interesting but spec.

    An awesome fact is that the RETURN will be as the FIRST DAY of the MILLENNIUM in all 3 respects as per the post-flood command to Noah:

    ……TAURUS 1 (Sunday, Apr 21, 2019)

    ……NISAN 16-17, Firstfruits (if Nisan 16 is a Sunday, it counts as FIRSTFRUITS/same as Nisan 17)

    ……APRIL 1 (because the Return at April 21 minus the earth tilt loss reverts back to April 1 as the straightening will likely take 2 days/Hos 6:2-3, one meaning, other meaning is 3rd ‘thousand’ from Jesus’ birth. (APRIL 1 will be the NEW and continuing NISAN 1 in the Millennium as well as Taurus 1). Nisan 1 is to be the yearly NEW YEAR’S DAY/cleansing of the Temple, Ezekial 45:18.

    Remember the significance of FIRSTFRUITS (Nisan 16 or 17, whichever is a SUNDAY): flood ended, Red Sea crossed, Jews entered Canaan, Haman hanged, Jesus Resurrected, possible SECOND COMING. The 49-day count to Pentecost was to begin on the SUNDAY after Passover.

    SIX MONTHS past ROSH HASHANA 2018 (the END of the Pyramid timeline which is 2011 – 2018) is NISAN 2019 because the Millennium has to start on Nisan 1 according to God’s command to Noah and as per Ezek 45:18.

    I think you must see that according to the Millennial calendar, the following will be true once the earth is straight:

    Dec 24 = Kislev 24 (anniv Creation Day/8th Feast/anniv Christmas during Age of Grace)

    Jan 1 = Tevet 1 (anniv 8th day of 8th Feast/Jesus’ concep +280 gestation = Succoth/Jesus’ birth)

    June 6 = Sivan 6 (anniv 6-day War/original Shavuot Giving of Law & N.T. Pentecost)

    Oct 1 = Tish 1 (Rosh Hashana each yr during Millennium)

    Oct 15 = Tish 15 (Tabernacles ” ” ” ” )

    Apr 1 = Nisan 1

    Apr 10 = Nisan 10

    Apr 14 = Nisan 14

    Apr 17 = Nisan 17

    All the modern FIG TREE PATTERNS still hold, ending at ROSH HASHANA, 2018 (before the 6 mths to Nisan are added):

    1898: 2nd Zionist Conference 1898 – 2018 (Christ’s Return) = 120 yrs.

    1967-2018 = 50 FULL yrs

    1898 – 1938 Holocaust = 40 yrs (testing)

    1898 – 1948 Statehood = 50 yrs

    1917 – 1967 = 50 yrs

    1918 – 1938 = 20 yrs (military age & end of age of accountability/begin at age 12)

    1918 Balfour Decl – 2018 = 100 yrs

    1948 – 2018 = 70 yrs

    1918 – 1948 = 30 yrs (30=maturity)

    1897 (1st Zionist Conf) – 1967 = 70 yrs

    1938 (Holocaust) – 2018 = 80 yrs

    519 B.C. (Hag 2) + 2520 = 2011 (the 1-yr warning, Jerusalem UFO Jan 29, 2011)

    1611 King James Bible + 400 yrs = 2011

    The above are only the MODERN FIG TREE PATTERNS. The O.T. patterns is a whole separate, awesome study.

    As for the 2300 days of Temple Worship (Dan 8:13-14) before the Temple is Reconsecrated (when the 45-day judgment of the Nations is finished/end of the 1335 from mid trib), the 2300 days seem to span exactly from PURIM 2013/IAdar 14 (Feb 25) and June 12, 2019, end of trib (with the -23-day tilt loss considered…..without the 23-day loss the end is July 5, 2019).

    If PURIM 2013 (Feb 24) begins the 2300 days of Temple Worship, that is the end of the 7 mths burying bodies and bldg 3rd Temple in Jerusalem which will have begun AV 10, 2012, 1 day after the AV 9 VICTORY (hail, earthquake, huge carnage). In other words, Av 10, 2012 (July 28) plus 7 mths (210 days exact) is Purim, 2013. If this is the case, God’s great DIVINE VICTORY in the mts of Israel following the N. Invasion (Gog-Magog, Ezek 38-39) of Israel will occur on the most serious FAST DAY in Jewish History, AV 9. Remember that God promised to turn the 4 FAST DAYS into joy (Zech 8:19) and Av 9 saw 8 catastrophes for the Jewish people throughout history. I’m speculating a bit perhaps; but it is clear that this span and its accompanying significance is awesome if it BE the case.

    Now SUNDAYS hold all across the board; and counts concerning believers always occurred on SUNDAYS (Palm Sun, Resurrection, Pentecost, etc). Also Creation was a SUNDAY (8th Feast) and the 8th day of that Feast was a SUNDAY, the day the Creation Count began, 8th Day of 8th Feast, Jesus’ conception anniv (Tev 1).

    Another important study is that of the 17 ‘uncounted’ years (Rosh 2018 minus 17 = 2001, then + 6 mths = Nisan 2002) that are ‘not counted,’ a study that NO ONE is willing to entertain. The 7-yr trib while the Restrainer is ‘taken out of the way’ is NOT COUNTED because they are Satan’s yrs not worthy to be included in God’s promised 120 Jub’s (6,000 full yrs). Also Jesus’ ministry of 3.5 yrs (counted as 4 yrs since months were never counted) were not counted because God (Jesus) was not STRIVING (Gen 6:3) with fallen man when He was on earth, but counted it “all JOY to go to the cross.” Those years of Jesus’ ministry were MILLENNIAL in nature because the potential for salvation, healings and salvation was infinite. There’s also the 1-yr warning not counted because the warning/promise IS the event. At Creation there was only eternity for humans; but at the fall, God promised the 6,000 full years (120 Jub’s) for allen man; and that 1st year had to begin on a ONE year (as do all new 50-yr Jubilee counts)…..thus 2 yrs are NOT counted. A child’s age (namely Jesus) is not counted until He reached AGE ONE; thus 1 yr not counted. The 280-day gestation of a human (namely Jesus) is not counted, needing another 75 days to complete a Jewish yr, (1 year) NOT counted. The 280-day spiritual gestation of the Remnant (plus another 75 days need to complete a year), thus 1 yr is not counted. Thus you have 7+4+1+2+1+1+1 = 17 yrs; and 2018 minus 17 year is 2001, plus the 6 months to get to the legal start of the Millennium, NISAN, is 2002 ,

    Know too that the year Rosh 2018 is the Jewish year 5779 and 5779″ is the ht of the Pyramid with the Capstone. Without the Capstone the ht is 5449″, the total of all the Hebrew letters (added) of Isa 19:19-20, the verse that speaks of the “monument in the midst of Egypt on the border therof that shall be a great testimony of the Lord.”

    Hope your are still trying to surmise a possible Rapture date as well since Daniel said that:

    ……the day would “come into focus” (clarify itself) as the day nears; and the “wise” (those who study) would understand

    ……we would know when He is “at the door”

    ……we are “children of light”

    …..we won’t know the “day or hr” but of 3 days/wk/mth….we CAN know

    ……the betrothed virgin would have HEARD the shout (1-yr warning) and would then watch intently for His

    arrival at the door

    …..she would also SEE & HEAR the approaching footsteps and the knock at the door

    In the above I haven’t even touched upon the amazing OLD TESTAMENT patterns, all beginning at the Birth of Abraham (1996 B.C.) ending at the year 1996 A.D….then plus 7 years is the year Rosh 2003 A.D. which is really Rosh 2001 A.D. These patterns are AWESOME phenomenal spans connecting all the main O.T. dates with patterns even in BETWEEN all of the dates as well. In this respect, the SEVEN-yr trib that will NOT be counted was COUNTED already in the year 1996 to 2003; because DAYS never DISAPPEAR, but are counted SOMEWHERE in time because each day under God’s control is sacred.

    REVIEW of the JUBILEES:

    To review the JUBILEES, note that according to Genesis 6:3, God promised 120 Jubilees for man (120 x 50/six thousand full yrs/6 ‘days’ for man). This promise was given AFTER the Fall. Before man’s fall into sin (the curse), man had eternity. Time for man began at God’s promise of the 6,000 full yrs. Strive means to ‘put up’ with man (even though each human deserves Hell) for 6,000 yrs (6,000 FULL yrs because the 121st Jubilee span must start on a ONE yr (as do all Jubilee yrs). The year 6001 must begin the 7th Millennium…..beginning on Rosh Hashana of 2018 (which, minus the 17 ‘uncounted yrs’ is 2001/6001.) But the legal start of the New Year according to Ezek 45:18 has to be in Nisan, 2002/6002 six months after Rosh. The year 5779 (Rosh 2018) remains at 5779 until Rosh 2019.

    Below are the Jubilee spans of Biblical/primarily Hebrew history (120 Jubilees of earths’ trip around the sun):

    God said that on the 3rd Day Israel to be “RAISED UP” on the THIRD DAY (3rd 1000 from Jesus’ Birth, Hos 6:2-3).

    Creation plus 30 Jubilees (‘maturity of sin’) = flood 1500 yrs after Creation +4500 yrs to end (30 + 90 = 120)

    Flood plus 90 Jubilees (4500 yrs) = the END (90 + 30 = 120)

    Creation plus 40 Jubilees = Birth of Abraham (40 + 80 = 120)

    Birth of Abraham plus 40 Jubilees = Birth of Christ at yr 0 (80 + 40 = 120)

    Creation plus 80 Jubilees = Birth of Christ (80 + 40 = 120)

    Creation plus 60 Jubilees = David/Temple (60 + 60 = 120)

    Creation yr 0 plus 120 Jubilees = the END

    Jesus’ Birth yr 0 plus 40 Jubilees = the END (80 + 40 = 120)

    Thus, we now look to Shavuot, 2012………..J.H.

  51. Shavuot/Pentecost is the only Feast of the Seven that is a ‘Gentile’ Feast in a sense. It is thought that Enoch (a GENTILE) was born on Pentecost and Raptured on his his b-day as well. The Book of Ruth (a GENTILE) is read in the synagogue on Shavuot including the account of Boaz who was the offspring of Rahab (a GENTILE)….with the bloodline down to birth of Messiah. Pentecost is both the birthday of Judaism (Giving of the Law) and the birthday of the Church (primarily GENTILE). ……two groups forming ONE BODY in the Messiah (thus 2 loaves with leaven…sin… brought to the Temple).

    Also, the Church (mainly GENTILE during the Age of Grace) BEGAN at Pentecost (Holy Spirit ENTERED the believers) and the Age of Grace ENDS at Pentecost with the Rapture (Restrainer/Holy Spirit in the Church EXITS earth). So the Rapture picks up right where the whole thing started!……at Pentecost.

    remaining yrs of punishment (Jerem 30:7) to total the 490 yrs of commanded punishment. At the cross 483 yrs of punishment were completed and there are yet seven yrs to go to finish the punishment commanded for not keeping the Sabbaticals, Jubilees etc.

    Shavuot (O.T. and N. T.) is a beautiful picture of LAW and GRACE. At Shavuot 49 days after the Red Sea Crossing, 3,000 people DIED when God was angry with the Hebrews after the Giving of the Law. At Shavuot 49 days after Jesus’ Resurrection, 3,000 people were SAVED at the preaching of Peter.

    Pretty special day….that 4th Feast! Thus, we now look to Shavuot, 2012..
    Two more items of interest: 1. This year, 2012, Pentecost and Shavuot are on the SAME DAY…..very rarely the case.

    2. The FEAST of WEEKS (SHAVUOT/PENTECOST) is also called FIRSTFRUITS (the Firstfruits of the wheat harvest).

    Exodus 23:14-16: …..”three times (Unnleaved Bread, Shavuot, Tabernacles) you shall keep a feast unto Me in a year……….(vs 16)…”and the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours (Shavuot) and the feast of ingathering (Tabernacles) which is in the end of the year, when thou has gathered in thy labours out of the field.”

    Numbers 28:26:….”On the day of Firstfruits, when you present to the Lord an offering of new grain during the Feast of Weeks”

    • Jan,

      The HOLY SPIRIT of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY is STRONG in YOU.
      Continue ABIDING in THE ONE TRUE VIVE, and walking in the HOLY SPIRIT!
      There are few like you.

      SHALOM

  52. The sign of the cross.

  53. Dear Marianne,

    http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com says on 20 July 2012
    “three and a half years remaining in the Tribulation period commences in December 2012.”
    “The next Pope may be elected by members within the Catholic Church but he will be the False Prophet “-12 April 2012

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    Message of Our Lady Queen of Peace to Pedro Regis— http://www.apelosurgentes.com.br/english/——
    3.775 – , delivered on February 12, 2013 transmitted in 12/02/2013
    “You still have ahead of you long years of difficult trials. ”
    3777-Message of Our Lady Queen of Peace transmitted in 16/02/2013
    “The Church will walk in the midst of great tribulation. Do not be afraid. The Church will still have Peter. That which I have announced in the past will come to pass.”
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    There is only one more Pope on St. Malachy’s list: Peter the Roman.

    “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there shall reign Peter the Roman who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the terrible judge will judge the people.”
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    From the Holy Bible : Daniel:12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

    Daniel:11:31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.
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    Analysing above all sites,

    1. what Daniel told in above 11:31 & 12:11 in the Holy Bible is not yet started.

    2.According to St.Malachy next pope is a good person, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations.
    Many tribulations?

    3.Pedro Regis => “You still have ahead of you long years of difficult trials”
    “Long years”??? and “The Church will still have Peter ”

    4.thewarningsecondcoming.com site says 3 and half alraedy started
    from December 2012? and next pope is a false prophet?

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    Jesus told us to be careful: Holy Bible: Matthew 24:5:
    “many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. ”
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    Ron Conte’s http://www.catholicplanet.com/
    next pope is good person & long years for tribulation
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    We have to be careful about this sites
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    I think ,next pope is like PETER., good person, Very strict, tell catholics to follow rules, when attending to mass in the church, how to be dressed specially by females, ect.
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  54. Oh Hi Sunimal ,please take notice of this : There is not going to be any good Pope after Benedict XVI .He will be the False Prophet.The Peter Romanos is actually Peter our Lords Peter the Apostle who will rule the church from heaven.All the information can be found in the WARNING MESSAGE SECOND COME.Please be aware o the Deceiver.The next Pope againis the false prophet.

  55. Here read for your self.
    http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/the-next-pope-may-be-elected-by-members-within-the-catholic-church-but-he-will-be-the-false-prophet/

    • Rosa Lopes,

      I have a doubt about who is behind ‘thewarningsecondcoming.com’ . It says new pope is a imposter. But he has given up his palace, car and use public transport and not only that. He is against gay marriages, free contraceptives and argued with Argentine President Christina Ferdinandaz.
      So above site try to confuse us. Anti-Christ is behind that ?
      ——————–
      It says “Remember that those who proudly display the badge of humility are guilty of pride. Pride is a sin.” Message of 14th March . Create Confusion among us and try to Divide us ?

      • http://www.afterthewarning.com – By Locutions before 18/02/2013
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        Mary and Her Pope

        By Locutions to the World
        Although I am uncertain about this particular visionary, it was brought to my attention that there were several prophecies given about the next pope. I offer to you the following for your discernment:

        JAN16. Raising Up A Pope
        Jesus
        Even while I speak, much is happening. The world continues down its road. Evil deeds are piled high, one on top of the other. The darkness grows and claims more people, while those already in darkness go deeper into this night of death. Mankind does not realize where it is or how soon the great darkness will be unleashed, like black clouds that suddenly fill the sky, as if without any warning. Yet, how could anyone say that this is without any warning, when my Mother has spoken so often of this situation. Few have listened to her or even heard her words. So, I will exalt her even more. I will raise up a pope who owes everything to her, including his rise to the papacy. He will not hold back. He will not limit her. When he is the pope, her mantle will fully unfold and her protection will be offered to all who seek it. I will not compromise. Everyone will come to me through my mother and those who reject her will reject me. Her power will spread everywhere in ways never before seen. Satan will be stirred to a great anger and will quickly want to destroy the pope who so unfailingly exalts her, but I will not allow him to have any victory. I will save my pope in astonishing ways until the very end when he will give his life for his heavenly Queen.
        Mary
        Who is this person whom I have chosen and whom I have so carefully prepared? Why have I kept him in the shadows, unwilling to expose him to the light? He has been mine from the very beginning, always the chosen one, always the one who resided in the very center of my heart. He knows who he is. He knows that he has been chosen. He knows that I have prepared him. He has no doubt. He does not trust in his own strength. He knows that I will raise him up. He already knows exactly what to do, although how this will be accomplished is still hidden from him. Would I allow the great work of consecrating Russia to chance? Would I just pick someone at the last minute, who is not sure of the correct steps and who might be reluctant to go ahead when all the opposition mounts? Not at all. He has been mine from the beginning and a moment will come when I will give him to the Church.
        JAN17. The Pope of the Third Millennium
        Jesus
        He will be the “game changer” because he will walk on the scene when all seems hopeless, when people will be crying out, “Where is God in all this darkness?” The lights will dim and then go out but only so my action will be clearly seen by all.
        There he will be, the pope of the third millennium. He will carry a new light, a light that he already possesses as a treasure kept in the greatest hiddenness. He will arise by the most surprising way. Again, so there will be no mistake, this pope will not be chosen by men but by the clearest and most visible signs from heaven. All will see that the Father has brought this about. Once he assumes the papal throne, my plan will begin to unfold, step by step. Little by little, the powers of darkness will be rolled back. Then, when Satan can no longer accept his defeats he will make the great mistake. Just as he erred in nailing me to the cross, so he will bring about this pope’s death, a true martyrdom, that will shake heaven and earth (as did my death). At that point, the true reign of my mother as the Woman Clothed With the Sun will begin. Hers will not be an immediate victory. However, all of her children will take heart and know that the victory will be theirs as they take up the sword of the Spirit.
        Mary
        I have held back these revelations until now but they can no longer be hidden. The words must be said and duly recorded. They are my words also and I would like to speak.
        I have chosen this son from among many. He is the child of my choice and I have guided him since childhood. I gave him devout Catholic parents and a devout home. As a child, he walked with me, not even understanding the special graces I was placing in his heart. His parents taught him a deep love for the rosary and even opened up to him the beginnings of devotion. You can see that he was always mine. Always I led and protected him, and he always cherished a special devotion to me. He was always marked by my seal. However, all that was contained in these seeds of devotion were hidden to him.
        He always saw himself as one of many, and always tried to consider himself the least of all. Only as these years have gone by, has he realized who he was and what I had called him to be. Even now, he would gladly surrender these gifts to others, but I have not chosen another. He is well aware of that and knows that his ascending to the papacy in inevitable. Yet, he will make no move to promote himself and he will speak to no one about the revelations he has received. All is hidden in his heart, like treasures deeply buried. It is not for him to open these treasures or to decide the time and the circumstances. All remains in my hands. He remains in my hands and I will never let him go. When he is revealed to the world, all will see that these words are true. There is nothing more to be said at this time. Later, I will speak again as the time grows closer and those who would doubt will need yet another sign.
        JAN18. Revealing the Hidden Plan
        Jesus
        Why do I reveal these secrets of my heart? Should I not be more careful to keep hidden my plans? It is my love for mankind that causes me to act this way. I cannot hold hack. I cannot just take prudent steps. Mine are the steps of insane love. I am deeply in love with mankind, for I have shared his earth and shared in his sufferings. I know the feel of soil beneath my feet and the smell of flowers in the air. I know his fears and I know his trials. I have experienced them all and I know the darkness that can come suddenly upon his world. This is why I speak.
        Mary
        Mankind is moving into a totally new era, with grave difficulties that he has ever experienced before and for which he has absolutely no answers. It is a new darkness, an overpowering and unknown darkness. He has been enticed down this road, refusing to examine the consequences of his actions and especially, refusing to listen to my words. He walks, no he runs, this path of even greater darkness, every hour. I watch him plunge even more deeply into the morass. I see where it leads and how entrapped he will be. He will not listen, so I must initiate a rescue, using the wisdom that God has given to me.
        I began this rescue long ago. It takes decades and even centuries to bring about those people who will be my instruments. There are many others whom I will use but they do not yet know that they are chosen. When my chosen one, my pope, comes into the light, millions of good people will see the personal light that already lies within them. They will understand their call and suddenly I will have an army. You, O reader, will be one of those whom I will call but you, also, must prepare by a life devoted to me.

        • well that is scary. Mary becomes the god for the new pope ,and she picks him, not YHVH? It is Her reign on earth, and he has to die for her?

          • The Universal Church took the birth mother of Jesus and made her a god. Isn’t that paganism?

            Perhaps Marianne, Since the Pope is a man just as imperfect as I am and I am a man, I can dub thee a god. Then, I can write down my visions of you controlling the world. Kind of like:

            All hail Marianne, the New god for an evil time. The god Marianne loves you, but if you do not follow her, you will not be allowed into Heaven. Does that read about right? Along the same lines as the god Mary in the Universal Church?

            I’m confident the word of G-d will be cool with it.

            Sarc off.

  56. constantine 1959 part 1 tribulation dream

  57. Reestablishment of Jubilee year chart, very nicely laid out chart!

    • interesting chart….hope it is true….but which also means disaster is coming soon also

    • Very nice graphic! “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves…when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place…” (Matthew 24:32-35).

      Can we know what is the length of this “generation” that Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24:32-35?

      There are 7 definitions or descriptors of a generation in Scripture. 7 is the number of completeness.

      1) According to Gen. 6:3 it may be as long as 120 years.
      2) Genesis 15:13, coupled with Gen. 15:16 indicates 100 years.
      3) Psalms 90:10 indicates a possible 80 years.
      4) Psalms 90:10 also indicates a more likely 70 years.
      5) Matthew 1:17 may indicate around 50 years
      6) Psalms 95:10 indicates 40 years.
      7) Deut. 2:14 indicates 38 years.

      2017 – Using ALL 7 generations, based on the premise of ISRAEL being the fig tree Jesus spoke about in the end times:

      1) 2017 counting back a 120 year generation = 1897.
      Significant event: The first ever Zionist congress was held in Basel, Switzerland in 1897.

      1897 + 120 years = 2017.

      2) 2017 counting back a 100 year generation = 1917.
      Significant event: The first official political act paving the way for Jews to return to their land was the Balfour Declaration of November 1917.

      1917 + 100 years is 2017.

      3) 2017 counting back a 80 year generation = 1937.
      Significant event: The Peel Commission published a report that for the first time recommended partition of Palestine, and the land under it’s authority be apportioned between an Arab and Jewish state. The plan was declared unimplementable.

      1937 + 80 years is 2017.

      4) 2017 counting back a 70 year generation = 1947.
      Significant event: The United Nations general assembly voted in favour of the Partition Plan that actually created… the State of Israel!

      1947 + 70 years is 2017.

      5) 2017 counting back a 50 year generation = 1967.
      Significant event: The Jews regained Jerusalem, fulfilling“when the fig tree putteth forth leaves.”

      Choosing a 50 year generation requires some explanation. Some people have reckoned on a 50 year generation, starting with 70 using Psalm 90:10 for an average age, and then taking away 20, because those under 20 years old who came out of Egypt were not counted, as mentioned fifteen times in the book of Numbers, Chapter 1.

      1967 + 50 years is 2017.

      6) 2017 counting back a 40 year generation = 1977.
      Significant event: The State of Israel reaches the Jewish “age of maturity.” In the Old Testament Bible, priests could not work in the tabernacle until age 30. See Numbers 4:3.

      This was when they were considered mature. Modern Israel was born in 1947.

      “When the fig tree putteth forth leaves” could be considered as another way of saying “when Israel becomes mature.” An example of this maturity is that the Liqud political party came to power in Israel in 1977. The Hebrew word Liqud means ‘The Consolidation’ in English.
      1977 + 30 years is 2017.

      7) 2017 counting back a 38 year generation = 1979.
      Significant event: Israel signs a peace treaty with Egypt. Other than the events already mentioned I’m thinking this would be considered the other most positive historical step towards modern Israel’s expansion, showing “the fig tree putting forth leaves”. It led to many long term benefits, such as providing for the free passage of Israeli ships through the Suez Canal.

      1979 + 38 years is 2017.

      And is 2017 really significant?

      The year of a Jubilee is defined in Leviticus 25:9-10 (50 years). The last three Hebrew Jubilees were:

      1867 (The final emancipation of the Jews in Austria and Hungry).
      1867 + 50 = 1917

      1917 (The 400 yr Ottoman rule ended and the Balfour Declaration).
      1917 + 50 = 1967

      1967 (The Six Day War – Jerusalem was re-united under Israeli governance).

      The next Jubilee year on God’s calendar. 1967 + 50 = 2017

      We are at this threshold today, approaching the 120th Jubilee year (6000 yrs), the time of the restitution of all things (2017).

      There was a “super” blood moon over Jerusalem – September 28, 2015 (Feast of Tabernacles).

      There was a unique sackcloth sun eclipse on Spring Equinox, 2015 seen over Rome and Jerusalem.

      The sign of Rev. 12:5 (Dragon/Saturn) before the Virgin (Virgo) with the moon at her feet and clothed by the sun, giving birth to Jesus (Venus) took place on Feast of Trumpets, September 29, 2011.

      Behold, the Judge is at the door (James 5:9).

      • I totally agree DJ, Yah showed me the 2017 year a while back as wel, although I must admit you found more dates to match than the 3-4 I had. Thanks,
        I can’t wait for Yeshua’s return! Just pray many will get on the band wagon.

    • Confirmation.

      Jeremiah 10:2 tell us not to be dismayed at the signs in the heavens.

      This sign in the heavens occurs on September 23, 2017 (Shabbat Shuvah).

      Venus (representing Jesus), Mars (representing war), Mercury (representing angelic messenger) and Jupiter (representing God) are in a line. This seems to represent order. The alignment is within Leo and Virgo.

      “Shabbat Shuvah (“Sabbath [of] Return” שבת שובה) refers to the Shabbat that occurs during the Ten Days of Repentance between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Only one Shabbat can occur between these dates.

      This Shabbat is named after the first word of the Haftarah (Hosea 14:2-10) and literally means “Return!”

      Read Hosea 14.

      On September 23, 2017 – Jupiter (representation of God) is with Virgo (virgin), while Venus (representation of Jesus) is in Leo (King of Judah).

      On this same date, Saturn (representing Satan/Dragon) is in Ophiuchus.

      Ophiuchus is depicted as a man grasping a serpent.

      This seem appropriate, someone holding a serpent. Saturn (Satan/Dragon) is within Ophiuchus on September 23, 2017 (Shabbat Shuvah).

      “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years…After that, he must be released for a short time” (Rev. 20:1-3, HCSB).

      This sign in the heavens on September 23, 2017 occurs 70 years (generation per Psalm 90:10 and Jeremiah 29:10) after 1947 (Proclamation to establish Israel).

      I think this is a sign of the season of God’s Sabbath rest for 1000 years as our Lord reigns.

      Blessings
      Rev. 12:11

    • I see a pin date of 2007. This is the year “Balaam’s Prophecy.” Keep that in moping as we read this timeline.

      The Lord tells us repeatedly, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” This would apply to each of the 7 in total as well as to each church individually.

      The Lord spoke in parables (riddles). So, what is this, 10 days we read in Revelation 2:10? “You will have tribulation for 10 days.”

      Look at Ezekiel.

      “When you have completed these, you shall lie down a second time, but on your right side and bear the iniquity of the house of Judah; I have assigned it to you for forty days, a day for each year” (Ezekiel 4:6).

      Now read from the Book of Numbers for confirmation of this “day for a year” understanding of this prophetic language.

      “According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition” (Numbers 14:34).

      Ten days is 10 years.

      The Lord is telling us in Rev. 2:10 there will be 10 years of increased testing, leading up to His return. It’s not “7 Years of Tribulation.”

      The graphic above idendifies 2007 and I think I found the 10 year timeline.

      It’s between September 15, 2007 and September 23, 2017.

      How?

      The beginning and end dates (2007-2017) are identified in the sign in the heavens with a unique Hebrew Shabbat day.

      On September 15, 2007 (Shabbat Shuvah) there is Virgo with the moon at her feet clothed in the sun and Mercury (angelic messenger) at her side.

      Messenger?

      Where is the Scripture reference for this “messenger” being relevant to the end of the age and the book of Revelation?

      See Revelation 1 verse 1.

      “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John” (Rev. 1:1).

      Jeremiah 10:2 tells us to not be dismayed at the signs in the heavens. This is the same reading of the heavens and the same process applied by the wis men who came to worship Him at His birth.

      When looking at Virgo the key to knowing when there is sign is when the sun is located within Virgo and the moon is at her feet (Rev. 12:1).

      The signs in the heavens moon is like a big clock with sweep second hand (moon), minute hand (sun) and hour hand (planets) against the face of the clock (constellations).

      Virgo is the key to the timing of the heavenly clock (Rev. 12:1).

      When this alignment occurs – sun over Virgo and moon at her feet – then look at planet locations in Virgo (virgin , spiritual Israel), in Leo (Judah) and in other constellations on that day.

      The moon is at the feet of Virgo on the 15th of September, 2007 and not the day before (Sept 14th) or the day after (September 16th).

      There is a sign within Virgo that point points to ~ Saturday the 15th of September, 2007 ~ which is a very special day, “Shabbat Shuvah.”

      This Shabbat Shuvah is special day and it occurs every year. But, the sign within Virgo (moon at her feet and clothed in the sun) does not occur every year on Shabbat Shuvah.

      Well, 10 years later…..on September 23, 2017 (Shabbat Shuvah) there is Virgo with the moon at her feet and she is clothed in the sun.

      This time —- Jupiter (representation of God) is with Virgo (virgin), while Venus (representation of Jesus) is in Leo (King of Judah).

      On this day (moon at the feet of Virgo and clothed in the sun), these planets are in alignment:
      Venus (representing Jesus),
      Mars (representing war),
      Mercury (representing angelic messenger) and
      Jupiter (representing God).

      The alignment also includes Regulus (King Star) at the top and Jupiter (Kin Planet) is at the base – located next to Virgo (Virgin, spiritual Israel).

      The alignment stretches between Leo (Judah) and Virgo (Israel).

      This alignment seems to represent order.

      On September 23, 2017, Saturn (representing Satan/Dragon) is in Ophiuchus.

      Ophiuchus is depicted as a man grasping a serpent.

      This is appropriate; “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years…After that, he must be released for a short time” (Rev. 20:1-3, HCSB).

      Saturn (Satan/Dragon) is within Ophiuchus on September 23, 2017 (Shabbat Shuvah).

      The date of both signs (Sept 2007 with it’s angelic messenger and 2017 with its alignment) occurs on a unique Hebrew Shabbat.

      What is so special about Sabbath Shuvah?

      “Shabbat Shuvah (“Sabbath [of] Return” שבת שובה) refers to the Shabbat that occurs during the Ten Days of Repentance between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Only one Shabbat can occur between these dates. This Shabbat is named after the first word of the Haftarah (Hosea 14:2-10) and literally means “Return!”

      Read Hosea 14.

      https://www.hebcal.com/holidays/shabbat-shuva

      https://www.ou.org/torah/parsha/shnayim-mikra/vayeilech_haf/

      This sign in the heavens of September 23, 2017 ~ occurs 70 years (a generation per Psalm 90:10, Jeremiah 29:10 and the lifespan of David) after 1947 (Proclamation to establish Israel), which seems to match the Fig Tree Parable and Jubilee Count p.

      We can also apply the Hebrew year of 5708 + 70 = 5778 (September, 2017).

      I think there is no “7 Years of Tribulation” but 10 “days” [years] of Tribulation, getting more and more intense with the seals opening, and all we read in Revelation – just as Jesus tells us.

      Seals 1 through 6th seals are opening now slowly.

      I think this sign on 09/23/2017 is notification of the season (not setting the day or hour) of God’s Sabbath rest for 1000 years as our Lord reigns.

      Blessings
      2 Tim 2:10-13

      • dj

        the 10 days = 10 years is helpful

        explains the question in this post:

        https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/you-will-have-tribulation-10-days/

        maybe you should post your comment over on that page also

      • dj

        something also I found out….ancient texts say

        On the 6th day, the 25th day of the 6th month, the star will appear

        for 2017, this would fall on sept 28th,

        interesting

        there will be a star, then big trouble

        • Yom Kippur begins at sundown on Friday, September 29, 2017.

          Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Jews traditionally observe this holy day with a 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer, often spending most of the day in synagogue services. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes “the Days of Awe”).

      • Correct, 2017 on several counts. Even 12 century rabbi Samuel Ben Judah concurs with his Jubilee calculations. From 1967 Jerusalem back in Jewish hands, to 2017 is a Jubilee and before that 2017. Good call on the September date and Saturn.

  58. OH,marianne,YOU left your clock on the stove and it melted…………

  59. Inquiring minds want to know how you believe the Great Tribulation or the Day of the Lord can begin on the 2nd Month and 17th day. Hmmm.

    Somebody else mentioned it to me in an email for Nov. 16-18 timeframe from a Christian point of view. The actual timeframe was between Oct. 15th to Nov. 15th. but depending on the years given for Creation, the timeframe was from Nov. 10th (earliest) to December 5th (latest).

    Obama’s trip to Israel was March 22, 2013 to the 25th. 1335 days from there is November 16-18th, 2016.

    • Barry’s trip to Israel. He arrived the day after winter and left before Sabbath. That is no coincidence.

      Jesus’ ministry was 3.5 year, yes?

      7 years is complete as in creation was 7 days and He rested in the 7th day.

      So, to complete His ministry (7 years) Jesus has somethings to complete before the 7th day of His Sabbath rest.

      1260 days

      42 months

      3.5 years

      What does Jesus need to do?

      Well, He read from Isaiah 61, stopping in mid-sentence and in mid-verse.

      “The Spirit of the Lord God is on Me, because the Lord has anointed Meto bring good news to the poor.

      He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and freedom to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor, ” (Isaiah 61:1-2).

      He stopped reading at this point, saying this is fulfilled in your heading.

      Here is what He didn’t read:

      “and the day of our God’s vengeance;

      to comfort all who mourn,

      to provide for those who mourn in Zion;

      to give them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, festive oil instead of mourning, and splendid clothes instead of despair.

      And they will be called righteous trees [olive, Psalm 52:8], planted by the Lord to glorify Him” (Isaiah 61:2-3).

      He came first as the Lamb of God.

      He returns as the King of Judah to complete His ministry.

      At the end of His ministry; “Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power” (1st Corenthians 15:24-26).

      What comes before the end?

      “For He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be abolished is death” (1st Corenthians 15:24-26).

      Oh!? He is coming back as King and we who endure and alive at His coming reign with Him (2nd Tim. 2:10-13).

      There is a living parable that explains. His servants know what He’s doing.

      His first miracle as we read in John 2:1-10 is a parable.

      It’s a 7 day Hebrew wedding feast. He and his disciples arrive in the middle of the feast. They arrive at an hour in the middle of day 3. Let’s call it 3.5 days into a 7 day feast.

      He addresses the need for more wine, changing the pure water within 6 cisterns (representing man).

      These 6 cisterns are filled to the brim. 6 cisterns are capable of holding pure water up to thr brim (Jeremiah 2:13), making the best wine.

      The fruit of the vine made from pure water is then given to the Master of the house. The Master of the house calls the Bridegroom over with great joy for saving and then serving the best wine for the last 3.5 days of a 7 day feast.

      He does save the best for the last 3.5 days.

      When will His time come?

      There is another living parable within John 7, regarding Feast of Tabernacles.

    • Cheshvan 15 is 4th day Event day, Cheshvan 16 is Day 5, Cheshvan 17 is day 6 which was the Creation of Man biblically. Cheshvan is the 2nd Month.

      Barry’s trip to Israel. He arrived the day after winter and left before Sabbath. That is no coincidence. What year was this?

      DJ, go read at Jardalkalatgmail.blogspot.com Obama’s Trip March 22-25, 2013 which was at Passover or the Month of Aviv.
      This timeframe was derived from 1260 to 1290 days from Day of Atonement which is Armageddon and this timeframe ties to Matt 24:15-22.

      • Barry arrived after Winter on Wednesday, March 20 – The First Day of Spring (Spring Equinox) 2013.

        Barry departed Israel before Sabbath, sundown on March 22, 2013.

        The 25? Fact check. I’ll pass on your blog with such an error.

        WEDNESDAY (March 20)
        President Obama arrived in Tel Aviv, Israel, marking the President’s first trip to Israel as President of the United States.

        President Obama visits an *Iron Dome Battery in Tel Aviv, Israel.
        Later, President Obama attended a bilateral meeting with Israeli President Peres in Jerusalem.
        In the afternoon, President Obama attended a bilateral meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, followed by a press conference.

        In the evening, President Obama attended a working dinner hosted by Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu.
        * Iron Dome is a short range rocket and mortar defense system, which was developed by Israel and produced with U.S. assistance. The Iron Dome system has saved countless Israeli lives, most recently during the November 2012 Gaza conflict.

        THURSDAY (March 21)
        President Obama visited the Israel Museum, where he viewed the Dead Sea Scrolls and attended a technology expo.
        President Obama traveled to Ramallah, West Bank where he was greeted with an official arrival ceremony.
        In the afternoon, President Obama had a bilateral meeting with Palestinian Authority President Abbas.
        President Obama participated in a working lunch with Palestinian Authority President Abbas followed by a press conference.
        Later, President Obama attended a cultural event at Al-Bireh Youth Center and met with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Fayyad.
        President Obama gave a speech at the Jerusalem Convention Center.

        In the evening, President Obama attended a dinner hosted by Israeli President Peres and received the Presidential Medal of Distinction.

        FRIDAY (March 22)
        The President attended wreath laying ceremonies at Mount Herzl at the grave sites of Theodor Herzl and Yitzhak Rabin.
        President Obama visited the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum and participated in a wreath laying ceremony in the Hall of Remembrance.
        In the afternoon, President Obama traveled to Bethlehem where he toured the Church of the Nativity. [Barry leave Israel before sundown.]
        President Obama traveled to Amman, Jordan where he was greeted with an official arrival ceremony.
        President Obama had a bilateral meeting with King Abdullah II of Jordan followed by a press conference.
        In the evening, the President had dinner with King Abdullah II of Jordan.

        SATURDAY (March 23)
        President Obama traveled to Petra [Jordan].
        President Obama returned to the United States.

        https://www.whitehouse.gov/middle-east-trip-2013

        • DJ,
          According to Torahcalendar.com, this was month on otherwise known as Aviv/Abib/Nissan

          torahcalendar.org/Calendar.asp?YM=Y2013M1

          Month 1; Spiritual Year 5999; Civil Year 5998
          Year 6 in Shemittah Cycle 7; Creation Shemittah Cycle 840
          Year 48 in Jubilee Cycle 120

          Nisan 7
          Wednesday
          Spring Equinox

          20 Mar, 11h:02m UT
          19 Mar sunset to 20 Mar sunset; Day: 2,190,556

          Nisan 8 Thursday
          20 Mar 2013 C.E. sunset to 21 Mar 2013 C.E. sunset

          Nisan 9

          Fast of Nadab and Abihu

          Leviticus 10:1-2 Usually Observed Day 10 of Month 1

          21 Mar 2013 C.E. sunset to 22 Mar 2013 C.E. sunset
          By the way, April 29, 2009 when a Covenant of Many was written in Jerusalem with the SEE (Catholic Cardinals), it was also on the Fast of Nadab and Abihu. Wow! What timing.

          Nisan 10
          Shabbat Ha-Gadol Tzav

          22 Mar 2013 C.E. sunset to 23 Mar 2013 C.E. sunset

          Nisan 10 was the day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem in 28 to 32 CE but Obama rode into Jerusalem on his beast on the exact date that Jesus rode into Jerusalem.
          However, the Anticrhrist rode in on Satan’s Day on the day that Muslims worship Allah.

          Shall we go to court on this one.
          By the way, my article on my laptop only has March 20 and 22, 23 mentioned and not the 25th for his visit. Also the article on the blog also has March 20 to 23 in it. There is no March 25th on the 2013 article.
          So either you did not read the article or you read another one which was in maybe 2015 or 2016.

          • Correction: Delete By the way, April 29, 2009 when a Covenant of Many was written in Jerusalem with the SEE (Catholic Cardinals), it was also on the Fast of Nadab and Abihu. Wow! What timing.

        • DJ,
          I know you do not know what month Passover is in, but the first month of the Biblical calendar is also referred to as Passover month or Passover. However, since you are a Christian you can call it the pagn month of Easter since Easter is pagan so you may call it Easter Month.
          According to Day of Atonement being Armageddon and if you count back 1260 days to 1290 days timeframe, you still fall in the month of Passover (PASSOVER) because Passsover comes in the same month as the Spring Equinox and Passover comes after Spring Equinox and Spring Equinox is when the Sun PASSes OVER the Equator so it is also called PASSOVER. Equinox.

  60. There has been a great tribulation in what was considered the world back at the time the scriptures where written. When did ISIS actually start their terror campaing?

  61. https://www.google.com/amp/yournewswire.com/hillary-clinton-admits-isis-was-created-by-u-s-government/amp/?client=safari

    I just ck ISIS was created in 1999 during Clinton

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