Tribulation vs Wrath

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Is there a difference between times of Tribulation, and the time of Wrath?

My Views:

Tribulation is trouble. Jesus said we would face tribulation, but the scriptures also state we are not appointed to wrath.

This is survivable, but there will be martyrs.

Matt 24:9, 13

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

Day of the Lord (Wrath of God) is a time of vengeance against God’s enemies.

It is not a time of chastising any saints.

It is a time of slaughter, and no one will really survive it.

All the saved Jews and Christians are gone before then.

The only ones around are the sealed 144,000 who give glory to God while the wrath of God hits.

There is no repentance during the WRATH, so there is no chance of salvation now.

Rev 16:11  And [they] blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

What is the “day of the Lord?”

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=day+of+the+lord&t=KJV&sf=5

So the events are different.

Tribulation is brought on by the wickedness of man and the activities of the devil.

Wrath is God’s time to destroy the wicked.

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Timing and Dividing of the 2 times

The 6th seal – Sun, moon and sky described

Rev 6:12-14

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Joel 2:10

The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

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Timing of the Wrath Period – after the 6th seal

The 6th seal comes before the WRATH.

Act 2:20

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

Joel 2: 30-32
And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

2 Pet 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

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When does Jesus show up to take all believers?

After the tribulation at the 6th seal, when the wrath is announced as

having come.

Matt 24 : 29-31

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The elect here are not the wicked. They are reserved for wrath.

The apostles had asked when will all these things be, and when will he return (for them)?   (Matthew 24)

They were more interested in when trouble would start for them, and when Jesus would come back to rescue them.

See  where Jesus answers them by describing the events of the 6 seals, and how he will come at the 6th one:

Tribulation in Matthew and Revelation

They were not interested in what Jesus was going to do to the wicked.

This return event for Jesus is the same as in 2 Thessalonians

1 Thess 4: 16-17

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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The conflict with the “One Taken” parable

Luke 17:36-37

Two [men] shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The parable of the one taken, one left behind is NOT given a timeframe as to how it fits into the Seals, Trumpets and Vials “schedule,” or scenario.

So, there is no rapture of the wicked into the air for eagles to kill them described in Revelation.

Once the wrath starts, at the end of Rev 6, there is no “eagle” activity mentioned.

By then, much of the animal and plant life has been destroyed.

If it is to happen, it is more likely earlier on, while animal life is still around.

Since it is not described as a specific event, then it may, or may not, happen during the 4th seal of death, when many die for various

reasons.

Rev 6:8

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Any wicked taken, would leave behind the saints, who would still be in danger at the 5th seal, time of martyrdom.

Some saints / Christians will die.

Some may endure to the end, to the 6th seal, when Jesus says he will

come to gather his elect.

Most of the wicked are reserved for the time of wrath, except for

some who will die beforehand.

See also

Tribulation in Matthew and Revelation


32 Responses to “Tribulation vs Wrath”

  1. Very many have been taught and believe that Christ could return at any moment now and have been disappointed when speculated dates have not brought about the anticipated result. I think we are only in the beginning of sorrows – the man of lawlessness has not yet been revealed. After the abomination of desolation there will be the great tribulation for believers and only after the sun is darkened, the moon looks like blood and the stars fall from the sky, will the day come when Christ returns for the elect. That is why we are instructed to “look up” for it is then when our redemption draws near. Unless we heed these things we may lose hope, fail to persevere, fall asleep and allow our lamps to run out of oil before Christ returns. May it not be so with us.

    • dear brother

      I think the abomination is the only real clear sign we have that disaster is about to happen on a global scale. unless there is a nuclear war first.

      watch and pray sounds good to me.

      • Much of that whole piece of prophecy was about the temple in Jerusalem that the Romans destroyed when they sacked the city in 70 A.D. While part of it may be dual, I doubt that the abomination will occur again. First of all, the Jews are not even permitted on the temple mount, so a new temple will not be built any time soon. Secondly, there haven’t been animal sacrifices in almost 2000 years and it is highly unlikely that they will ever be reinstated. And lastly, in God’s eyes, His son was the last sacrifice – any sacrifices after that would be apostate and unwanted. They themselves would be an abomination of the new covenant. Ending them would be just and righteous.
        Plus the False Prophet will be Christian, so why would he be messing with a Jewish temple in the first place?
        So as popular as this theory is, I’m afraid it just doesn’t hold water in the real world. Could happen, but I severely doubt it.

    • Hi..a brother,

      The abomination standing in the Holy Place (the head that was mortally wounded and revived/the valley of dry bones/ the fig tree without fruit are all pictures of natural Israel and today’s Zionists) are those whose claim to be Abraham’s descendants is counterfeit. Yeshua speaking to Jews after the flesh i.e. the Pharisees of Christ’s day (the Zionists of our day) told those who presumed to be children of Abraham, that their nationalism would be of no benefit to them when making such claims. The land of Israel belongs to Christ and his bride, and is a wedding gift from YHVH to the Groom and his beloved, and not to Israel after the bondwoman..Hagar. A Jew is not one who is one outwardly, but one who is one inwardly..Rom 2:28.

      A remnant of natural Israel will be saved but only through the birth pangs as a woman in travail..Rev 12:2 “And she being with child cried, (time of Jacob’s trouble) travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered”. The time of Jacob’s trouble will have the effect of causing Israel’s rebirth..being born again at a time when their will be an outpouring of the Spirit upon the Jews. We can only pray for the Jews, but many of them are going to be destroyed (not a stone of Jerusalem will be left standing), because natural Israel is the epicentre of the beast empire, and is herself the heart and mind of the beast. The beast empire will be a composite political structure, comprising of all the empires in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, which stand together in the last days with Israel supporting that system from the feet up, and guiding it from the bridle down!

      • Hedley

        According to Matthew 24:15, the words Jesus used were ‘When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet …’ and I am sure there is no account in Daniel of an ‘abomination of desolation’ (sure, the word desolation was used on a couple of occasions, but not the phrase ‘abomination of desolation’ … that is, if you use the KJV). What then was Jesus referring to as the ‘abomination of desolation’? I’ll show you by comparing the contents of two bible verses.

        Luke 21:20 ‘And when ye shall see Jerusalem encompassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.’

        Daniel 9:26 ‘… the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.’

        It seems evident at this point, that when Jesus spoke of an ‘abomination of desolation’, he was indeed refering to the armies surrounding Jerusalem, and not those who make false claims to being Abraham’s descendants.

        • And it seems like you have connected this ‘abomination of desolation’ with the ‘valley of dry bones’, ‘head that was mortally wounded and revived’, ‘fig tree without fruit’ … I just don’t see the connection here.

        • good guy

          Daniel 11

          29 “At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30 Ships of the western coastlands will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.

          31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

          Daniel 12

          11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

  2. Hi Marianne
    I think the abomination is the beginning of the great tribulation where Satan persecutes the elect. But for the sake of the elect, that time is cut short and Christ returns/rapture between the 6th and 7th seal. At that time the signs in the sky – sun, moon, stars – take place which signals to us that our redemption draws nigh. The trumpet and bowl judgments follow Christ’s opening of the 7th seal. This makes sense since only the Lamb is worthy to unseal the scroll which contain God’s wrath of the trumpets and bowls upon the unrepentant world. This is essentially the pre-wrath tribulation view.

  3. I always thought the parable of the 2 men or 2 women have this meaning:

    To our eyes these people look just alike…doing the same things. But to the inner eye, the eye of the spirit, of God, they are very different people
    on the inside. God judges the heart, the inner desires that are invisible.

    So once again Jesus is telling His listeners to never judge others by appearances.

  4. er … Marianne, can i make my own blog?😀

  5. There are two “Tribulation vs Wrath” threads on the ‘heavenawaits’ blog.

    The sidebar to the right only links with this current:
    Tribulation vs Wrath thread “A”
    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/tribulation-vs-wrath/
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    Below is the link to the other
    Tribulation vs Wrath thread “B” https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/tribulation-vs-wrath/
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  6. Just a word;

    Canada has turned to China to build the Keystone pipeline since President
    Obama said no. They are now going to try and develop a stronger relationship?

    Argentina wants the Falkland islands and says that England has been spying there and that they also had submaries with nuclear devices on them?

    9 months til the vote and 10 month to a change if we make it.

    The whole world has gone mad. It seems it is in the leadership sections, the people are to poor to stir trouble. Please continue to pray for the world leaders and for the people in the nation of Israel and the peace of Jerusalem.

  7. Maranne .The bible speaks of what the prophet saw if we do not repent .But if the world repents the punishment can and will be withdraw by God.
    Pray and sacrifice is what the Lord asks of us to help save mankind .Is anyone ready to put God before him herself selfish believes and desires .we must understand that God loves all of us and not just some of us .

    • hi rosa

      true, the main issue to get man to repent. many will not, however, and go into the wrath of God. people should repent while there is still time.

  8. Marianne and all concerned for Israel;

    The latest news out of under cover Washington: China now has capability to destroy our satelites and scatter them into 1000 of pieces. The government has known about mstat since 2007 when they blew one of our satelites into 10000 pieces. They are now saying that they think they might have other motives that could be tied to war.

    American Military Soldiers in Afghanistan burned several Qu’rans supposedly. So the terroist have told the evil ones to kill as many soldiers as possible, or take them hostage. I am not sure if I am buying this. You could not get me to burn the Holy bible for anything. It is the living word of God and precious to all believers. I am not certain if I believe our boys did such a thing, even though we are believers.

    Sounds like the Father of all lies might be involved in that one. Who would want to draw that type of attention to themselves. Makes no sense?

    Marianne if there was news showing this and you have the article would you forward me a copy. I would like it for my news library, I have not seen any such.

    Something keeps taking me back to the scripture where it says you have aliens in your gates and you don’t even know?

    Bolton said that the news is that the meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu sceduled in Wash. on 3-5-2011 is expected to be more of the same and very unpleasant for Benjamin. Pray for him that he stand his grounds and not cave from the threats of wicked people.

    President Obama said he released a universal statment that he has guaranteed himself another 5 years. I guess that is based on his strategy and not more of what we do not know. Praise God that he has all power and men are just flesh.

    News out of Israel says some were hurt at the wall today during prayers,

    Hillary clinton says that Syria is going to find arms from somewhere?

    What did you say Marianne, lookup our redemption draws near?

  9. The unholy koran was being used between terrorists that were held to pass information. That is why they were destroyed.

    Isn’t wild to watch so many backwards people go crazy over an object, and even murder for it? It is the will of Sin the moon god. Muhammad commands it.

  10. Could it be that the events described below in Matthew occur as the seventh trumpet sounds? Some see Matt 24 as the literal end of the Great Tribulation – when it is finshed – then, Christ our Lord appears. It is then that the “rapture” takes place – at the last trumpet – when “his elect” are gathered up to Him. I added {my short intrepretation} to the (AMP) text below.

    “For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now–no, and never will be [again]. And if those days {Great Triblutation} had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect {God’s chosen ones who are present during these days not absent or “raptured” out of the earth – the wheat stands} those days will be shortened. If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!–do not believe it.”

    “For false Christs and false prophets will arise { we all know/see a them on Cable and see their books/DVDs}, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

    See, I have warned you beforehand…So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness (desert)–do not go out there; if they tell you, Behold, He is in the secret places or inner rooms–do not believe it.For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and [h]is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be…Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and [i]beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor]. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other” (Matt 24: 21-31, AMP).

    “The seventh angel then blew [his] trumpet, and there were mighty voices in heaven, shouting, The dominion (kingdom, sovereignty, rule) of the world has now come into the possession and become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ (the Messiah), and He shall reign forever and ever (for the eternities of the eternities)! Then the twenty-four elders [of [c]the heavenly Sanhedrin], who sit on their thrones before God, prostrated themselves before Him and worshiped, exclaiming, To You we give thanks, Lord God Omnipotent, [the One] Who is and [ever] was, for assuming the high sovereignty and the great power that are Yours and for beginning to reign. And the heathen (the nations) raged, but Your wrath (retribution, indignation) came, the time when the dead will be judged and Your servants the prophets and saints rewarded–and those who revere (fear) Your name, both low and high and small and great–and [the time] for destroying the corrupters of the earth. Then the sanctuary of God in heaven was thrown open, and the ark of His covenant was seen standing inside in His sanctuary; and there were flashes of lightning, loud rumblings (blasts, mutterings), peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a terrific hailstorm. [I Kings 8:1-6.] (Rev 11:15-19, AMP).

    Count down has begun….T-minus 2 seals and counting.

    Look for a Pope change within a couple of months (need that qualified False Prophet to arrive before 2013), economic crisis/currency market shift during 2012 and Damascus to be flattened in the coming war between Israel/Iran.

    2012 – The Mayans got it right, but from a different source.

    Blessings.
    Psalms 91

  11. Marianne .
    In the messages from maria of the Divine Mercy our Lord God the Father promised to those who have accepted His seal on the forehead ,His protection .The evil one will not be able to see us for whom we really are .because the grace of the Lord will hide us from the evil one and the ent-Christ and his followers .

  12. Isaiah 63:4 For the day of vengeance was in My heart, and My year of redemption [the year of My redeemed] has come.
    Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord [the year of His favor] and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,
    Jeremiah 30:7Alas! for that day will be great, so that none will be like it; it will be the time of Jacob’s [unequaled] trouble, but he will be saved out of it.
    Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit [rapt in His power] on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a great voice like the calling of a war trumpet

    These verses all reference the same “day” referring to a day for a year in prophecy generally called “the day of the Lord” : Eschatological Day of the Lord

    •Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the Lord (hmera Kuriou) of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
    •Isaiah 13: “Howl ye: for the day of the Lord (hmera Kuriou) is at hand: it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.”
    •Isaiah 13:9 “Behold, the day of the Lord (hmera Kuriou) cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
    •Isaiah 34:8 “For it is the day of the Lord’s vengeance, (hmera gar krisews Kuriou) and year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion.”
    •Ezekiel 30:3 “for the day is near, even the day of the Lord (hmera tou Kuriou) is near, a cloudy day: it shall be the time of the heathen.
    •Joel 1:15 “Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord (h hmera Kuriou) is at had, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
    •Joel 2:1 “Blow ye the trumpet in Zion and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord (hmera Kuriou) cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
    •Joel 2: 11 “And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord (h hmera Kuriou) is great and very terrible: and who can abide it?
    •Joel 2:31 “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord (thn hmeran Kuriou thn megalhn) come.”
    •Joel 3:14 “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord (hmera Kuriou) is near in the valley of decision.”
    •Amos 5:18 “Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! (thn hmeran Kuriou) to what end is it for your? the day of the Lord (h hmera tou Kuriou) is darkness and not light.”
    •Amos 5:20 “Shall not the day of the Lord (h hmera tou Kuriou) be darkness, and not light? even every dark, and no brightness in it?
    •Obadiah 15 “For the day of the Lord (hmera Kuriou) is near upon all the heathen: as thou has done it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.”
    •Zephaniah 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord (hmera tou Kuriou) is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.”
    •Zephaniah 1:14 “The great day of the Lord (hmera Kuriou H megalh): is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord (hmeras Kuriou)the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
    •Zephaniah 1:18 “Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord’s wrath (hmera orghs Kuriou); but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.”
    •Zephahiah 2:2-3 Before the decree bring forth before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, before the day of the Lord’s anger (hmeran qumou Kuriou) come upon you. V. 3 Seek ye the Lord all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment: seek righteousness, seek meekness: it my be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord’s anger (hmera orghs Kuriou).”
    •1 Thessalonians 5:2 “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord (hmera kuriou) so cometh as a thief in the night.”
    •2 Thessalonians 2:2 “That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (h hmera tou kuriou) is a hand.”
    •2 Peter 3:10 “But the day of the Lord (hmera kuriou) will come as a thief in the night: in the which heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”

    John In Revelation used other terminology for the Last Day.

    •Revelation 6:17 “The great day of their wrath.” “h hmera h mealh ths orghs autwn”
    •Revelation 16:1 “. . . that great day of God Almighty.” “ths hmeras ths megalhs tou qeou tou pantokratoros

    This one year period of time begins after the rapture at the end of the 6th seal just before the opening of the 7th seal on the feast of trumpets. This year and 7th seal contain the 7 trumpets which are blown on the new moon of each month.
    Numbers 10:10 Also at your times of rejoicing—your appointed feasts and New Moon festivals—you are to sound the trumpets over your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings,[a] and they will be a memorial for you before your God.

    Add in 5 months of torment plus 7 months = 1 year, 1st trumpet blown on 1st of chesvan, then kislev, tevet, sh’vat and adar, then 5 months of torment: nisan, iyar, sivan, tamuz and av, then the 6th trumpet is blown on the 1st of elul beginning the 40 days of repentance (teshuva).
    Revelation 9:21 And they did not repent.
    The 7th trumpet (the last trumpet) is blown on the feast of trumpets the 1st of tishri followed by the 7 bowls on the 7 days between the feast of trumpets and the day of atonement when Yeshua lands on the mount of Olives. 7 seals = 7 years, 7 trumpets + 5 months torment = 1 year, 7 bowls = 7 days during the “10 days of awe”.

    This year of the Lord, after the rapture, is the year God’s attention focuses on the jews “Jacob’s trouble”.

    when they will look on him who they have pierced after they have cried out “blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord”

    Hosea 5:15 I will return to My place [on high] until they acknowledge their offense and feel their guilt and seek My face; in their affliction and
    distress they will seek, inquire for, and require Me earnestly.

    • hi Laurence

      How did you get a year between the 6th seal and the 7th seal?

      There is only a period of 30 minutes in heaven about that time.

      if a day = year, then 30 minutes would be equal to 0.25 months, or one real 7 day week.

      How do you explain what is happening in the 7 months?

      Why do you pick Chesvan 1 for the first trumpet?

      Why not Tishrei 1?

    • Hi Laurence,

      thanks for your very interesting thoughts. I hope you don’t mind me asking, but do you have any further thoughts on the 5 month period. Do you think this is the locust period of Rev 9:1-13. I have to say I don’t know too much about the breeding/behaviour patterns, or gestation periods of locusts but I once heard a talk on this subject where the speaker tried to draw a parallel between the characteristics of locusts and the invading armies that come against Israel in the last days, and I believe a period of 5 months was mentioned. You mentioned 5 months of torment, so it might be that you already had this in mind.

      The locust army is described as “like unto horses prepared unto battle” and “with teeth like lions”…expressions taken from Joel chapters 1 & 2 describing the past Syrian invaders. Also Nahum 3: 17 “Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day…”

      Another interesting point about vengeance, and I would also like to pick your brains on this one. Lk 21:22 “For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled”. Apparantly this is an aorist passive infinitive or a finished action all at the same time, where all the prophecies have their completion together. It seems that once the latter day prophecies start, they all roll out together without a break?

  13. Dear Hedley- You said above
    Lk 21:22 “For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled”. Apparantly this is an aorist passive infinitive or a finished action all at the same time, where all the prophecies have their completion together. It seems that once the latter day prophecies start, they all roll out together without a break?

    Amen:
    That is exactly right if you know that the last days started in Acts 2. Each church age just rolled right in to another one until they had all ran out. And then the whole bride of Christ is seen in Rev. 5 Seals opened, Trumpets opened and the Thunders of all 7 ages were made Known and revealed in the Breach between church ages of time to Eternity. No more ages of time just Eternity now. The Only thing that is Eternity is God and His Bride. All else are lost. Rev. 22:9 through 11 – then you read about the City of God where the “dogs” cannot enter into. The doubters, sorcerers, whormonger, murderers, Idolaters and whosoever loveth nd maketh a lie these all were sealed out of the City by being unjust still – they could not come to Christ Character and Mark of love for truth. Yet the ones that loved truth had the Mark of God and were living in the Eternal city. Their names were written before the foundation of the world began. What a Savior He gave His Lifes Blood to redeem His family back. God bless you

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