What kind of covenant will the Antichrist really confirm?

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We have assumed that it is a 7 year peace treaty by a charming statesman who brings people together in a gracious covenant that he breaks several years later, and only then he betrays Israel. Where does it say this?

If we are looking for the wrong clues, we will miss what is really going to happen. So let us look at what the Bible says.

More on who he is will be in a different post, so this does not get too long. He is not the friendly guy you hear about.

Key Verse:

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


**** The Hebrew Tenach says “ he will forge (give strength to) a covenant (alliance) with the great ones (Hebrew: rabim – many, strong ones) for one week. So who are these strong, great ones? If he is giving strength to the covenant (alliance), it already exists.

Preview summary:

Notice it does not say Israel is in agreement with him. Israel is not mentioned, or its holy people. A covenant is just an agreement or alliance. It may have nothing to do with peace.

As I see it, and examine below, the alliance is formed to meet common goals and needs, and take a strong stand against Israel. When you think about it, each time Israel gets attacked by one or several enemies, Israel wins.  We are still waiting for the Ezechiel 38 war, in which Israel wins its most amazing victory, with God’s help.

The only way to defeat Israel now, to those who do not understand that God helped with the Ezechiel 38 victory, is to completely gang up on it in an incredible way.  The entire middle east would have to attack it.

This is what I think the 10 league alliance is doing with the Antichrist.  Rev 17 indicates a union with 10 “kingdoms.” It also may have something to do with dividing up the land of Israel as booty with others, as part of this agreement.

The Jews have no value in any of this to him. He is their enemy. He then betrays everyone, and takes the entire land of Israel for himself.

The Antichrist’s relationship with the saints: he is their enemy

1. He persecutes them

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

2. he destroys them

Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

3. he destroys their city and sanctuary

Dan 9:26 ….and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

4. He forms an alliance with others that allows him to desecrate the temple, and divide the land. There is no mention of a covenant of peace with Israel here, where the rights of the Jews, or the sanctity of the Temple is respected.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

5. He is at war with the saints. He overcomes them.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nation

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What is in this covenant?

1. There are 10 kings who are in alliance with the Antichrist.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.


Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

2. The land of Israel is invaded, Jerusalem and the sanctuary is destroyed

Dan 9:26 ….and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


3. The land of Israel is divided up.

Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and [for] my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

4. the Jews are sold as slaves to the Ionians (Turks)

Joe 3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.


Joe 3:6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians ( Hebrew: Yevaniy those from Ionia), that ye might remove them far from their border.

Rev 12 describes twice that the woman (Israel) will flee into the wilderness. Maybe this is why. One month before the mid point of the 7 years, the abomination occurs. One month later, they are fleeing to the wilderness.

The interval in between may have more to do with safety, than with the desecration of the Temple. The Temple Mount is already desecrated with the Mosque, and this does not make Jews flee. They must be in physical danger to flee, and being sold as slaves to Turkish Muslims would be enough incentive.

Zechariah 14:2 describes the final battle, occurring later, where this taking of captives also occurs. This is the mindset of the surrounding enemies:

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Where do they flee to? Maybe Jordan, since Daniel 11:41 says it escapes from conquest by the Antichrist.

Dan 11:41 He (end time king) shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Map of Ionia (West coast of Turkey)- where the slaves go:

ionia-in-turkey

Modern day Turkey will be open to the slave trade of the Jews. Yevaniy comes from the root word “yaven,” which means “mire, clay.”

This reminds me of the prophecy from Daniel describing the last beast kingdom on earth.

Dan 2:41 And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou saw the iron mixed with miry clay.


Dan 2:43 And whereas thou saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Revelation 2:13 calls this region of Ionia “the seat of Satan.” Does this contribute to our understanding of who the Beast is, and where he might be located?

One last note: Prophecy mentions nothing about wars with Gaza or Lebanon (Hezbollah). Very strange. Am I missing something? Will the world be so focused on this conflict, that they miss the bigger war that is coming?

See also:

The 7 year End Time Covenant in Days and Years Click here for more.

The Goat and the 2300 Days. Click here for more

Jewish Return to Israel in the last days. Click here for more

General files for Antichrist: Click here for more


111 Responses to “What kind of covenant will the Antichrist really confirm?”

  1. […] that he breaks several years later, and only then he betrays Israel. Where does it say this? Click here for […]

  2. great insights on nebbie’s dream in Daniel. I never put that together. If Turkey is the clay then who is you think is the iron part? Also, is Petra any where near where you were saying they might flee too?

    BTW when do you have the time to study and write on all these amazing topic? Just curious :o)

  3. Hi Nissi,

    Petra is in Edom, a place that will be untouched by the Antichrist.

    Daniel says the beast has iron teeth, so the iron may represent him. The alliance seems weak individually (like clay) against Israel, but when they come together under the Antichrist, this gives them the strength (iron) to defeat Israel).

    I have nothing but time. I got laid off, so I sit here and think all day. So even free time is not wasted, if it is for God’s glory.

    blessings
    marianne

  4. I wonder who is alive on earth and actually physically descended from Yisrael right now and wonder if the Father is a fan of any blue hexagram image perhaps.

  5. Hi Jacob,

    I do not understand your question/ comment. There are about 13 million Jews on earth, and the star of David is just a symbol of the nation of Israel.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Hi Marianne.

      Who is truly a Jew?

      a) Torah observant/Hasidics
      b) Messianics that acknowledge Yeshua as Hamashiach
      c) Zion Atheists that align with Theodor Herzl, such as Dayan who gave the mount over to Jordan after the 6 day war.
      d) Some birthright determined by mother or father lineage.
      e) All of the above
      f) None of the above
      g) Other

      Thanks 🙂

      • didymous

        probably all of the above, + other , since DNA testing can prove jewishness through genetics as well, and there are converts with no genetic background

        • How are the Zionists, who do not have the heart of the people or Spirit of the Most High, qualified, as atheists who continually put both the Messianc’s and Orthodox in extremis qualified to be called a Jew?

          Incidently Theodor Herzl, father of Zionism was from Austria Hungry. Now while this mere factoid might seem insignificant, consider the demonic strongholds over territories as we know from Gabriel’s fight with the prince of Persia. Hitler was from the same region as Herzl.

          • didymous

            first of all, what you hear about “zionists” is hearsay and negative. you do not know these people or their hearts….there is a lot of antisemitic slander on the internet meant to poison people’s minds

            good and bad can exist in the same region. corrie ten boom was german as well, but that does not make her like hitler. herzl helped the jews have a homeland. there is nothing wrong with that. do not listen to slander.

            consider instead who is spreading all this slander and be suspicious of them

            • There is no doubt there is all sorts of misinformation in today’s media.

              However, even with all of the various interpretations by the Rabbinical as evidenced by the 6,300 pages of exposition called the Talmud, Jerusalem or Babylonian, such as some held they were not to occupy the land until the Mashiach, others held occupy, both agreed do not seek statehood or raise and military.

              Fast forward: Moshe Dayan, after a bloody and brutal 6 day war hands back what many perceive as the temple mount back to Jordan/the Hashemites for “management.” Dayan is a self professed Zionist.

              The facts speak and the orthodoxy and Messianic’s have been tilled under by nation building militants who have not waited on the Mashiach. I forget the exact stat but it is something like less than 12% of all “Jews” living in Israel are Torah observant, even less messianic and that includes Arab Messianic’s.

              After studying Herzl I can’t find the God of Israel that we find all through the Torah and Tenauch. If you have some other evidences I am open. We know the governance is destine to rest on the shoulders of Yeshua. We wait, as does Stephen under the alter, for the day of justice. Make no mistake there will never be justice until the governance rests with our Lord.

              Also, I want to know if you think the 1948 recognition of Israel by the UN is the fulfillment of the parable of the fig or if the boundaries identified in the war of psalm 83, which are closer to the boundaries of the promise land, is the fulfillment of the parable of the fig?

              • the talmud is civil law based on bible, have you actually read it?

                it is not about messiah

                the bible does not say how israel is reborn , only that it is, and it is god’s will

                the bible does not say the messiah has to initiate the state of Israel. he will govern after he gets there, and Israel really has to be in place for him to come rescue Israel from enemies….zech 14

                Moshe Dayan died in 1981. so what if he was a zionist? there is nothing wrong with that. zionists believe that the jews have a right to live in Israel. that is all zionism means.

                1948 is a fulfillment of prophecy. so is the balfour declaration of 1917. the problem is israel has been giving up land for peace for almost a 100 years….which is why it is so small now and now the enemies want the rest of the land. the war of psalm 18 has been going on for thousands of years

                • Yes, Marianne, I have actually read Talmud and have familiarity with the 613 laws and I am well aware about what it address in addition to statutes and ordinances.

                  My point is that on any given issue the orthodoxy has differing opinions, emphasis added.

                  It is your opinion then that 1948 was specifically the fulfillment of the parable of the fig tree and that the inevitable land formation as defined in Psalm 83 is not the defining moment of:

                  “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh”

                  • ps 83 is more about enemies of Israel trying to destroy it…

                    • Correct, Psalm 83 is spawned by hate by immediate neighbors of Israel. Ezekiel is an issue of resources. I just find the border outline of Psalm 83 countries with the promise land map is very coincidental. Does the map of the promise land play a role in end times?

                  • well, the ones mentioned in ps 83 happen to live on original Israeli land….

                • Also, by your own admissions the “Jews”, whoever they may be, have been giving up land, ironically the ones giving it up are all declared atheist Zionists, not orthodox or messianic.

                  However, if by your own declaration the current land mass is not true representation, which I agree with you, then is it not logical that borders are going to have to be addressed?

                  The importance of this line of discussion is who exactly is the covenant/peace plan made and what land mass has to be addressed?

                  If we look to today’s news Gaza is about to get hammered again and the Russians have had about enough of us provoking them with NATO. I also agree that the Turks are key. Incidentally, we, including you, have now put $7 trillion into the middle east to support the global elite agenda. Cheney was issued drilling rights tot he Golan and hit a major natural gas reserve, which is the main resource consumed by Turkey. Comment if relevant.

                  Also, as applied to this specific thread; does anyone foresee the Oslo Accord being used as the basis or Prince Hassan bin Talal being of significant factor in any covenant formation since he was the author of the Oslo Accord?

                  • borders are not correct now, but Israel will shrink more if they give away the Golan heights. right now it is only 5 miles wide at the narrowest point. any peace deals will make this worse. only god can really restore the land to Israel that it has lost.

                    the thieves and wolves surround israel, chipping away at her.

                    the Oslo agreement has never been honored by the muslims, but I think Prince Hassan bin Talal would like a future role, but Hussein may be the one they call on.

                    people need to leave russia alone.

                    • Golan will never be given back, Cheney has oil rights now. This is why BB said about 4 months ago that the Golan will go no where. The resource asset is far too important. Wait until the announcement of the oil reserve under the Mount of Olives. That will shake the tree! Enjoying your blog so far. Thanks for making the effort.

  6. Marianne,
    whether the “star of David” is a valid symbol for Israel, is the focus of intense discussion. I do believe that it is an occult symbol brought in place by Jews from the synagogue of Satan.
    I would think that as long as the USA is supporting Israel, they will not agree to a peace treaty which would exclude say on their part. When he is about to end the sacrifice he will win with flatteries those that are not firmly focused on the Lord.

  7. Hi GYOD,

    I do not believe any person, or group, has the right to a monopoly on a symbol.

    Think of how many times the lion has been used. How about the eagle?

    And consider that God made trees, which is for anyone to use. But now Christians are criticized for having a christmas tree because the pagans used to use them. So, only the pagans have a right to something God made, but the believers have no rights to the same item????

    Christians use a dove to represent the Holy Spirit. Maybe pagans used the dove for someone once too? who knows and who cares? It is really irrelevant.

    What about the fish symbol? only pagans are allowed to use it?

    or the + sign….maybe that is pagan too, and the red cross should not use it because it makes them demonic. Or the symbol for fire? or rain? or the sun? or maybe a flower? Only for pagan use?

    Witches use a 5 pointed star. The star of David is 6 pointed, not 5. So what if possibly someone else has used the same symbol? And where did this rumor get started about the synagogue of Satan coming up with the star of David anyhow? This could be pure fiction.

    Do you see where I am going? Mankind has always used symbols. most are based on God’s creation in some way, so believers should be able to use images to represent an idea, without having to worry if anyone a 1000 – 5000 years ago used it also.

    As far as the middle east goes, I do not realistically see ANY kind of peace treaty that could last 3 1/2 years before a breach. Usually the terrorists wait about a week to a month and start back up again. They do not have the self control to wait that long. And as I pointed out, the bible never says there is a PEACE treaty…only some sort of agreement, alliance or covenant the Antichrist has with “many.” It never says Israel is part of this alliance. Someone came up with this peace treaty idea because they did not know what was going on the first half of the prophetic last week of Daniel

    If you look all through Daniel, the Antichrist figure is always in conflict with someone, somewhere. I am trying to dispel this myth, and have people more prepared to ID the most likely candidate for the Antichrist. if they are looking for a “peacemaker,” they will never find him, and will be blind as the real one charges in and takes over.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Hey marianne,

      Who do you think is a good candidate per se for the AC?

      I had originally thought Obama….then I read your blog about the Pope-that made good sense…and THEN I came across very disturbing info on the Royal family…I got so worn out mentally from trying to figure it out I just didn’t care anymore..LOL

      I now have my second wind and ready to go again…researching etc…I am laid off as well and have nothing but time…LOL

  8. The hexagram is considered by many the occult symbol with the most power and is used by wizards for protection.
    How do you define a peace treaty? It is not more than a contract between two or more parties not to wage war anymore.
    In Ezekiel 38 you will read that Gog will come to a Israel, which inhabitants will dwell safely. This sounds like a peace treaty to me. Who in Israel except maybe the Ultra-Orthodox would reject a treaty that might promise them peace even if it will not be totally voluntary? I think the Antichrist will use his power to enforce a peace for the first part of the seven years.

    • I was wandering how much power one would have and personal charisma to give Israel peace. Sure don’t think it’s America, a Eyptian politican went their to try to bring peace as well and went away disgusted a while back on News TV Australia.

      I think this person will have a lot of political sway, a military strong man, knowledgable with all religions, cultures and dialects (extremely well educated person), Someone who has a lot of wealth and a large amount of follwers willing to follow him whom may well be some sought of dictator.

      • hi paper doll

        I think the peace maker will either be

        1. one both the arabs and jews will trust, or

        2. one that only the arabs will trust, and the jews are forced into it….they get forced into a lot of agreements that get broken by the arabs.

      • hi paper doll

        I think the “peace maker” will either be

        1. one both the arabs and jews will trust, or

        2. one that only the arabs will trust, and the jews are forced into it….they get forced into a lot of agreements that get broken by the arabs.

      • Wow…this really does sound like Prince Charles!

        Well educated; more wealth then we even know about; friends to BOTH the Jews and Muslims; a PRINCE; Large amount of followers; “knowledgeable with all religions, cultures and dialects”; “will have a lot of political sway, a military strong man”….although….his age doesn’t fit…always thought the AC would be around 30 or 33…..hmmmm….When was Prince William born? 7-21-1982….Believe me, I was as shocked as your probably are….Check out his coat of arms….(Rev 13:2 KJV) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

        http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Misc_Studies/ms022.htm

        It is very hard to ignore what is right there in front of you when looking at the “beasts” (british term, not mine) on his coat of arms….

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      http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2003/throne.html details that the throne of the British Monarchy has long been considered the throne of David. And both Prince Charles and Prince William are believed to be direct descendents of Israel’s King David.

      Now look at the horse on the right side of both Coat of Arms. Look at its hoofs. Horses do not have coven hooves! Are horseshoes in the shape of an ‘M’? No, of course not. This is a GOAT, cleverly disguised as a horse. Notice the shaggy beard hanging from its chin and knees? This is a goat. It is the Dan8:5 Alexander Unicorn Goat! The unicorn goat is a symbol for the Antichrist. The chain that locks this White ‘Goat’ Horse in place is called a restrainer in art of heraldry.

      The rumor mill hotline says Princess Diana was murdered because she was about to spill the beans on certain hidden secrets regarding her family and her eldest son in particular. But who knows for sure?

      Notice the ‘David’s Harp’ on Prince William’s Coat of Arms. Also, William was married to Kate in 2011 in Westminster Abbey, where the Coronation Chair is located, i.e. the chair has a rock underneath it which supposedly is the Gen35:14 rock Jacob anointed when God changed his name to Israel in Gen35:10.

      Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women…

      Now if there is any chance for William to be the Antichrist, he will have to basically estrange Kate who he just married. The tabloids are already talking of that, saying he cut short their honeymoon, enjoys being out with the boys on vacations more than being with her, and clearly intends to keep out of her site doing ‘work’ for many weeks at a time, yet they haven’t even been married a year. I’m sure the tabloids will keep us informed of every gossipy detail… My point for bringing this up is Antichrist has no interest in women and so we can exclude him from being an antichrist candidate if he ever becomes a warm nurturing husband to his new bride.

      The Red Dragon on Prince Charles’ Coat of Arms is very interesting.


      Notice in this old map of the Great Britain Empire how the woman is sitting on top of the whole earth?
      Kind of raises questions regarding these verses, don’t you think?

      Rev 17:1 …Come here; I will show you …the Great …that sits upon many WATERS:
      Rev 17:9 …mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains(e.g. continents), on which the woman sits.
      Rev 17:15 …WATERS which you saw, where (she)…sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
      Rev 17:18 …woman which you saw is that Great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.
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      • I agree with most of what you have written, and I have seen this example a long time ago. The stone is from Scotland, and was used to crown Scottish Kings. The family line is trying to state they are descended from Christ’s family.

        Yes, we know Christ did not have a family, but a lot of pagans like islam, and Adnostics believe otherwise. It is called the Melvolkian(sp) line. All the Kings of Europe claimed this as their right to rule.

        Everything elce you wrote I am in agreement. The order of the garder is a order of Knights. They do the bidding of the Queen’s agenda. In this case the global agenda. It could be the Anti-Christ is a Knight now, soon to be King of Brition, or be President of the European Union. Seat 666 is left open for this individual to come, and rule.

        These people we are writting about, do not believe as we do that Christ died on the cross for human sin, but lived on. Also, they believe Lucifer is the true god of this world, and Jehovia is a mean G-d that causes mankind ot be kept down so to speak.

        We are seeing the global government being but in place. We are seeing Lucifer attack on many fronts as he hate humans. The desire for money, and you can be as god is very big in this New Age. Lucifer’s desire is in vein, as those who are flag holders to his bidding. Yet, they desire to destroy Nationality, and think they can cure world hunger.

        As you know a world government without G-d the Father will fail, and Lucifer;s time is very short.

        peace.

  9. hi GYOD,

    It does not matter about the hexagram. Occult people do not have a patent or copyright on it. A star is a star, and something created by God, and we should not focus on the prostitution of it by the occult. The Jews use it for a sacred purpose.

    Gog may come to a moment when Israel is at peace, but this does not say that Gog, or the Antichrist, initiated the peace with a treaty.

    Outside of Ezech 38-9, the only other time Gog is mentioned in prophecy is in Rev 20, AFTER Satan has been cast into hell, Christ is ruling, and the millennium of peace has started. The gog war may not precede the tribulation, but follow it instead.

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=gog&t=KJV

    blessings
    marianne

  10. Quote from above article: “Notice it does not say Israel is in agreement with him. Israel is not mentioned, or its holy people. A covenant is just an agreement or alliance. It may have nothing to do with peace.” However the NT says that the day of the Lord takes place when people are saying peace and safety. THe OT states over and over that Israel will make a bad peace treaty which then causes the Lord to allow her to be invaded on the day of the Lord….so the question becomes when does the day of the Lord begin? Aty the 3 and 1/2 year mark of the final 7

  11. Hi Alan,

    Can you give the specific verses for the “peace treaty?” I could not find any.

    Also, regarding the gog/magog war, the only place I could find it happening in the last days was AFTER the tribulation, during the millinieum, when there is peace and safety.

    Do you see any evidence of a similar war like gog happening before the tribulation?

    marianne

  12. Marianne to your response to GYOD good point about the symbols, Star of David is a sacred symbol, NOT a cult, satanic symbol.

  13. Hi RT

    Thanks. Everyone has a view here. I am open to discussion about anything. We may not all agree, but we get to say what we think. 🙂

    blessings’
    marianne

    PS I tried emailing you a response, but your email address came back.

  14. Hi Marianne,
    On a different issue.
    Are you or have been married?
    Do you have children?
    Would like to know just a bit about what makes you the person that you are?
    Your likes and dislikes ect ect
    Just call me a nosey parker!

    And yes I am a sticky-beak!!:)

  15. Marianne and rt@ymail.com,

    Are you sure there is any hexagram image that has truly been used for a good or sacred purpose?

    Also, does the word Jews not stem from a word transliterated as Yahudim and do people not use the word Yahudim to refer to descendants of Yahudah? Perhaps I am not saying that is so and it is a serious question. Who knows? Yisrael had 12 sons and Yahudah is one perhaps. Do you know how many ancestors you have? These might be numbers to think about… 2 and 4 and 8 and 16 and 32 and 64 and 128 and 256 and 512 and 1024 and 2048. Perhaps there is crossing over for some or all people going back and that is misleading for all I know, but if you have even one ancestor who is a descendant of Yisrael then you are a descendant of him yourself perhaps. Is there any reason why a non-circumcised man would have circumcised his son before the 20th century?

    Also, any thoughts about a section called Jeremiah 10:2-4?

    -Jacob

  16. Perhaps I would like to learn more about a section called Genesis 28:14.

  17. Dear Mr Glenn, (alias Mr. Sticky beak!),

    Yes , I have been married. I have 2 children. Your other questions, I am not sure what you mean? Some kind of psychology stuff?

    blessings
    marianne

  18. Hi Jacob,

    I think there is a big difference between using something as a symbol or decoration, and worshiping it. The Jews do not pray to the star of David.

    If you look around the world, every nation has a national symbol. That does not mean they worship their symbols, even though what the symbol represents is important to them – their nation.

    Jews are known for their worship of Yahweh, the One God of Israel, and Creator of the world and universe. They do not worship Satan. They have made it very clear what they believe in and honor, and they have died for their faith. I think that best speaks for their sincerity and devotion to God. Those that killed them worship and serve Satan.

    blessings
    marianne

  19. Maybe I am not sure who lived before the 20th century and I stated stuff wrong for all I know. Was there anyone who was called a Messianic Jew before the 20th century? What if there were millions of descendants of Yahudah with faith in Yahushua (spelling?) who lived before it?

  20. Hi jacob,

    The first apostles, and the early church, in the time the New Testament was written, were all Messianic Jews. From these, were descended more Messianic Jews, so they have always been around.

    When Paul came along, he spread the gospel to the gentiles.

    Somewhere in history, both groups were just called Christians, after a while.

    blessings
    marianne

  21. Who knows who is really a descendant of Yahudah right now? Maybe Dad and only Dad for all we know.

  22. Hi Jacob,

    I think the proof is in the lifestyle and commitment. Jews have proven themselves over and over again, by their faith under testing. Of course, there is genetically Jewish (not religious – so maybe you cannot tell), converts to Judaism (only small percent), and religious Jews. They all have in common – the acknowledgment of who they are, even when it means their death, so that is pretty convincing.

    For the skeptics, there is DNA testing.
    http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
    http://www.familytreedna.com/PDF/Spring2008Page011Greenspan.pdf
    http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=96403
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

    Many “gentiles” now actually have Jewish ancestry. Over history, there have been many forced conversions for those who did NOT want to die because they were Jewish. They were forced into either Christianity or Islam. For example, the Pathans in Pakistan do not look like Arabs, they are Muslims, but there are traditions that they were forcibly converted. There are many Catholics who can trace back to a Jewish lineage, because of the Spanish Inquisition. Many were forced into conversion to save their lives.

    So, rather than wondering if the Jews you see are really Jews, it is better to wonder how many gentiles you see are really genetically Jewish.

    blessings
    marianne

  23. I was not trying to claim any particular individual was not a descendant of Yahudah in any comment on here and came across perhaps… perhaps it would be nice to learn more about a section called Genesis 28:14.

  24. Hi Jacob,

    Everything is fine with me. I was just trying to answer the questions. 🙂

    Gen 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

    This is the promise God gave to Abraham that all his descendants would be blessed, and be a blessing. He has kept his word to him. Although many Jews have been killed in history, due to hate of others, they have survived, and have proven themselves to be the best at whatever they put their minds to. It could be medicine, science, math, technology, education, etc. The world has been blessed by their gifts and presence. Whether they have money or not, these people lived blessed lives, knowing that God loves them, and has a special place for them on this earth.

    Christian believers can also inherit this blessing given to Abraham through faith. As they become spiritual Israel, they are entitled to the same protection, blessings and gifts, if they only ask, in faith, according to God’s will for their personal lives. Then they can also be a blessing to others as well.

    peace
    marianne

  25. wrong added after across

  26. Perhaps there are people would read that and assume you think only people commonly known as Jews are descendants of one or more individual. Is there any reason why an uncircumcised man would have circumcised someone before the 20th century?

  27. Hi Jacob,

    I do not understand your question:

    Is there any reason why an uncircumcised man would have circumcised someone before the 20th century?

    what circumstances are you referring to? what does the 20th century have to do with it? why is circumcision an issue?

    blessings
    marianne

    • The Doctor apparently told my Father’s parents it wasn’t necessary to have a circumcision, so they did not have it done when my Dad was a baby. Suddenly when my Father became a Toddler he suffered so much pain that a Emergency Circumcision had to be made in a hurry for very serious medical reasons. My Father could not urinate because the foreskin tightened up and prevented passing waste.

  28. I might not be sure of good answers to those, but has there ever been a circumcised human being who has not been a descendant of Abraham? Would any uncircumcised man circumcise a son of his? Yes and for health reasons? What about before the 20th century?

  29. Hi Jacob,

    I would think the answer to your question is “yes.” Although gentiles were not required, many gentile Christians have adopted the practice of circumcision, to satisfy a sense of “covenant,” or for health reasons. I am not sure when the Christian acceptance of circumcision actually started, but it seems close to the 20th century. .

    Here are some references on non-jewish history of circumcision. IT is not unique to Jews. It is an ancient practice, especially characteristic of Egypt.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision
    http://www.circlist.com/rites/history.html
    http://www.d.umn.edu/~mcco0322/history.htm

    blessings
    marianne

  30. Do you not use the word Jews to refer to descendants of Yahudah specifically? Yisrael had 12 sons perhaps. Is there a non-descendant of ABRAHAM who has been circumcised? Who really knows and who really knows who has lived in Egypt and not been a descendant of Abraham even? Why would an uncircumcised man circumcise offspring of his if one would and would for some reason? Maybe we should carefully study a section called Genesis 17. This might be kind of random, but the so called RCC actually denounced religious circumcision for members of it in something called the Cantate Domino perhaps.

  31. Hi Jacob,

    The links did not help you? From what I understand, the word Jew came later on, and even though it literally came from one name, Yahudah, it was used to represent anyone from the 12 tribes.

    I would consider Egyptians to be non-descendents of Abraham. Circumcision with them dates back to 23rd centruy BC that we know about. That would pre-date the Abrahamic lineage. The ancient greeks also practiced this at times. They are not related to Abraham, I do not think.

    blessings
    marianne

  32. I am not sure if they truly have or not maybe, but maybe I did not look into them as well as I could have. Do any of them mention an earthwide flood? What should we really believe when it comes to history?

  33. Perhaps I added to stuff I should not have and took away from stuff I should not have and stated stuff wrong for all I know.

  34. Perhaps I am not 100% sure if I checked out all 3 before third comment of mine back. What should we really believe? I wonder if He has ever taken a pagan practise and decided to spread it for qodesh reasons perhaps.

  35. Maybe I added to stuff I should not have and took away from stuff I should not have and stated stuff wrong for all I know.

  36. Hey Jacob,

    What should we really believe, you mean, as Christians? Well…..

    Each group in history has had its own reasons for rejecting or accepting the practice. It may have been cultural or religious.

    What about today? Today, it is optional for Christians, because instead of the flesh, the heart is circumcised instead….but this is spiritually speaking. Repentance replaces circumcision for the new covenant. But for many parents, the circumcision for them is a way to connect, in respect, to the old covenant as well. If they want to do it for health reasons, then that is ok too. If they choose NOT to do this, then that is ok as well. If you have a baby boy, then maybe you will want him to “look like you.” This is a “DAD thing.” That is your choice.

    The important thing is to make sure he grows up with the love of God. Jesus came so that we could have a better way to relate to God, and while we should be obedient to God’s moral laws, we do not have to live bound under ritualistic practices like circumcision.

    blessings
    marianne

  37. MAYBE I meant in a general sense. Perhaps we should both seriously study section called Genesis 17:9-14 and be careful what we say to others.

  38. Section called Matthew 6:17-19 also possibly.

  39. 6:17-19 replaced with 5:17-19

  40. Hi jacob,

    I can see this is an issue for you, and you want to do the right thing. The exclusion for circumcision was for adult gentile men, who had converted. According to God’s instructions, it was to be done on the 8th days after birth. These men were already adults, so they would not be able to do this right anyhow.

    There was a bit of heated debate over this between Paul and the apostles. Sometimes, I think that Paul was a little too lenient with the gentiles. I wish that Jesus had discussed it, to avoid disagreements like they had. If you really want to “cover all the bases,” then consider circumcision for a newborn baby boy.

    In the long run, God will be looking at your heart for entry into heaven, and not your body. But if you choose to circumcise your baby boy, then you can vicariously covenant with God through him. If you choose this for yourself as well, then just know there will be a healing time.

    The 8th day is really the best time, because natural Vitamin K is at its highest in the blood stream, and this promotes quick clotting, and healing. If it is done as an adult, then this advantage is not there, and there will be more discomfort until healing is complete.

    As a mother, I had my son circumcised, because it was in the bible to do so, and I am overconscientious about obeying God anyhow. I decided the only one that thought it was no longer required was Paul, and he was outnumbered by everyone else.

    blessings
    marianne

  41. Hi Jacob

    regarding the flood……if there were civilizations before the flood, they would have been wiped out. If the civilizations developed after the flood, they may or may not have written about it. some civilizations write more than others, so as far as history, we just go by what we can find.

    blessings
    marianne

  42. If I am correct then every male belonging to the household of a member of the covenant should be circumcised including bought servants.

  43. hi GYOD

    I agree with the original command for the bris. I see no reason to discontinue it, because of what Paul said. I thought Paul was too compromising with the Greeks and Romans. That is the one snag I had with his writings. But at the same time, I also have to concede that he wrote that circumcision was not binding on gentiles, and the apostles finally approved of him. So how do we explain this to people? I wish Paul had never said this.

    blessings
    marianne

  44. A star is a star?
    The only reason the zionist bi**h’s, and the state of israeli mo**erf**ers use the star is, to take the piss out of our star
    They can go f* off, and all their followers
    If a zionist came infront of me, I would cut his f**king b*s off with my bare hands, thats how much I f*ing hate them
    Zionism for the Satanists

  45. To day is the day before Easter tomorrow is the day Christ rose
    tomorrow is going to be the worse day the homeless people will always remember

    The ones that are now in tent cites because thy lost there jobs,there homes,some there family’s.

    To the ones that are on there last legs,that are about to lose there belongings, the ones that can’t afford to buy but one meal a day.

    That are trying to keep there head above the water to hang on to what little signs of life there is. To give a Easter basket to there child.

    To worrier about tomorrow when tomorrow gets here.

    To those that has want through a lot of presidents and not one time lost there world.

    As soon as Obama started running things started to turn.

    To those that bowed down to him, that shielded there tears,that followed him that voted for him the changed he kepted calling for

    Were you living in tents? were you hunger? did you lose your jobs?
    your homes? your family’s?

    Did you even know what changes he was reforging to?

    Due you even know today what changes he is talking about before thy are done?

    Heres a article to read might shine the light a little .

    http://news. yahoo.com/ s/ap/20090411/ ap_on_go_ pr_wh/obama_ challenge

    I posted this on your other sites but I fill it should be read also by others.

  46. Marianne, you have a brilliant mind.
    Your research is well done on many subjects.
    And above all else it appears you want to spread the Word and help others come to know our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (I am speaking in english).

    But I have a warning to you, listen carefully.
    This warning is for anyone who reads on, if your faith is weak, stop hear and first repent, I have warned you.

    First the so-called star of david is a magic symbol.
    The holidays christmas and easter are satanic.

    Daniel 11:41>He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of the Ammon will be delivered from his hand.
    ***** To be delivered may represent being taken from this world to a place of rest until judgement. Remember what is going to happen to earth is those times.
    In the end there will be no safe place on earth. But some of us (it will be easier to go through navy seal training with only one hand and foot then to be a Christian at that time, but those who remain faithful will be protected in ways that allow them to continue) have duties only known between yourself and your FATHER to complete.

    In regards to the fish symbol. DO YOUR RESEARCH- During the first persecutions, those early Christians used those intersecting lines to communicate without being found out. One would draw a line (curve) in sand or dirt or something to that liking, and if another Christian finished the line (creating something like a fish outline) then they would know they were of the same faith.

    The Catholic church (Holy Roman Catholic Church- to be accurate)
    Is not of Christ. Marianne I am surprised with your understanding you choose to remain blind in this reality.

    God is warning you to wake up! ALL OF YOU, open your spiritual eyes by seeking JESUS CHRIST and BEING AS HE WAS!

    In short, it is ANTI-CHRIST to:
    *worship and pray to angels, let alone mary.
    *To create and set up engraved images of any sort especially in the image of man or beast.
    *practice astrology or magic ( this is practiced among any devout priest in this religion as can be seen with the symbols used).
    *replace the word of GOD with earthly wisdom or change the Holy scripture.
    *Kill in the name of God ( yes this is still occurring and is about to get worse- but the god they kill for is not CHRIST).
    By now you should understand, if not then you are truly an infant or have been deceived.

    Everything is GODS creation, including satan and Jesus.

    These symbols are powerless over those who are protected by the word of GOD.
    NOW ASK YOURSELF: are you acting out of love to those who are weak in the faith? If a weak CHRISTIAN who knows these things do not serve God, yet witnesses you who are strong with the LORD practicing or approving of others practicing or owning such things, what have you done to that persons conscience? JESUS CHRIST would rebuke such a person. We are not our own, but belong to CHRIST, we should do as he did, and does!

    Colossians 2:2-4,(2)MY purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of GOD, namely, CHRIST, (3)in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.(4)I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments.

    If you want to practice festivals or holidays then observe what the Hebrews, the Jews, or the CHRISTIANS (in Christ they all are one).Namely the Sabbath, the Passover, and the Feasts. These are a shadow of what is to come. And by Faith we live- those who are strong master and continue to perfect what pleases the LORD, those who are weak concern themselves with material things and anxieties of life, but even the weak who put GOD first are blessed just as much as those who are given much.

    JAMES 1:22>Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves.DO WHAT IT SAYS.

    1 Peter 4:1-5> (1)Therefore since CHRIST suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin.(2)As a result he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of GOD. (3)For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do-living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing, and detestable idolatry.(4)They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they will heap abuse on you.(5)But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

    In regards to civilizations before the flood, yes- very advanced in many ways. There are artifacts such as clocks, and dials , and gears which have been locked and hidden (save for those who worked for such enterprises)because it is more evidence against the devils lies (such as bigbang theory or darwinism). The whole earth was wiped out because man and those early great beings had spread throughout the world and their life span at that time was incredible. But to call man civilized during that time would not be true. THEY HAD ALL BECOME WICKED and only evil desires and violence filled each heart — though NOAH was found righteous, and so saved.( with seven others also including many animals).

    Marianne, I started this message with your name because you lead this site, but this message is for all who see and listen to what CHRIST allowed me to share. I had so much more I wanted to say, but my heart kept telling me to stop and move on, now here I am.

    I love you and everyone else. If this came as a rebuke and you listen to the warning, you will be blessed. This is not my own understanding, JESUS CHRIST commanded me and I obeyed. Most of you are still searching for something, I tell you the truth, CHRIST will find you because if you are his YOU WILL NOT BE LOST!

    And for those who are in agreement with this message, remember CHRIST JESUS in everything. He is the ONLY WAY. The same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Pray for those who are weak, do not be harsh with those who are deceived but gently instruct them in TRUTH. Share your gifts with others, sing and praise GOD in attitude of mind and heart. And above all else Love your neighbor and your enemy alike, showing no favoritism, forgiving everyone any wrong done (EVERY TIME until the end of TIME)-by putting JESUS CHRIST before yourself in all things, LOVE GOD!

  47. There is no problem with the Catholics, by this I mean the people of that religion. Other than they are lost while they remain separated from the TRUTH. Many are loving, caring, kindhearted people. I can see many pure things which are done by those of that faith. God has a purpose for everything.
    Only a handful will be saved and you must realize that in this last hour, only a handful will remain faithful until the VERY END. What I have just said goes for any religion which claims to be Christian or devoted to the Word of God. I realize this is hard to accept knowing that your own children may have you killed or your own relatives and friends whom say they will not take the mark, but when all is said and done, they willingly turn from Christ as if it were a good thing.
    When this occurs many people whom were even leaders of Christian movements will lose faith, and some whom were abundantly evil and detestable will repent.

    Catholicism:
    This Religion is of anti-christian origin, pure and simple.

    Ask one of your contacts whom is of what you call the dark side, a true worshiper of satan. Someone deep in magic (not slave class magic like druids, white magic, wikkans, ect.)
    I mean someone who practices live sacrifices and divination through working directly with demons and astrology. Maybe a Medical doctor who specializes in abortions, a political shaker, or University instructor.
    If you really know such a person whom is willing to speak with you, ask them how deep and far the deception goes.
    If they (in pride) discuss such matters you may not believe what will be said, so weigh it carefully but do not get overwhelmed, this all has to happen.

    Most of us whom have this understanding (by GODS will) and have repented because we are of CHRIST and not the devil (predestined to be servants of the ALMIGHTY), are considered radical and over zealous for CHRIST. But that is because our FAITH is great and the power of the HOLY SPIRIT is on fire within us.

    It’s not that your blind to the problems with Catholics. I hope you and all those whom come to you for understanding turn from earthly wisdom and make your only focus CHRIST JESUS.

    WE DO NOT NEED TO SEARCH ANY FURTHER FOR UNDERSTANDING OUTSIDE THE HOLY BIBLE. IF YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT GOD WILL GRANT YOU UNDERSTANDING, JUST ASK IN FAITH. THEN YOUR EYES WILL TRULY BE OPEN.

    GODBLESS all of you, I pray that the courage to stand firm be placed on all of you whom GOD has chosen. And I pray that those who are confused or do not believe, REPENT and get rescued from this devastation which is about to unfold on all the living on earth and under the earth.

    IN JESUS CHRIST WE PRAY

    AMEN!!! and AMEN!!!!

    • hi Jason,

      I agree. People from each denomination have to evaluate themselves in light of the Word of God, and not necessarily by what their possibly liberal church teaches.

      I do not keep friends with those on the dark side, but I have counseled some. The works of Satan are everywhere, and they are obvious if one’s eyes are open.

  48. Hi Marianne,
    On readers points: Just to say:
    The Jews have both, a 5-pointed and a 6-pointed STAR. Judah had 5 sons. ((so has Ashkenazy Rothchild, 5 sons)),.. But the occult uses the 6-pinted, which is everywhere, where they got their fingers in.,- certainly also in Israel, for now, until Shiloh comes.

    Isa.2:3 Doesn’t mention a Temple, for the real ‘thing’ has arrived, Christ Jesus himself. Isn’t New Jerusalem as much as a/the Temple ?? Instead “..out of Zion goes forth Law (used to be David’s orig.Jebusite stronghold (Pentagon or Camp David). Zion wasn’t a Temple mount until Solomon,- the ark rested in Shiloh. – And from Jerusalem (like Washington D.C…the word of the LORD) HIS words are LAW whether spiritual or civil, officered by his heavenly Admin. and carried out by/via the physical Israelites, Ps.149:5-9.—- Could there be a spiritual and a civil building to work from for the ‘people’ ???? I don’t know for certain .
    Ed (sorry for the bother)
    One King one law one economy….which the evil copy-cat is setting up now in imitation of the original. – Officers are always trained and tested before the coup d’etat, so the saints. Just illustrations to drive the point home.

  49. Good day all,

    @ Jason,
    Just to ellaborate a little further regarding the Anti-Christ – Roman Catholic Church.

    1.Rev 13 – The Bible likes a woman to a church. The woman riding the Beast is the harlot- signifying an impure church.
    the Bride of Christ – is the pure church.
    2.The RCC have claimed to be God on earth and speak great blasphemies against the Most High.
    3.They are situated on 7 hills.
    4.They say Jesus not needed to be saved, therefore denying Christ openly.
    Jesus said,”I am the way, the truth and the life no one can come to the Father but by me”.
    5.They will think to change times and laws – the Catholic church has by their own admission changed the Sabbath from Saturday (the Seal of God) to Sunday (Mark of the Beast).
    6.The number of the man is the number of the beast- six hundred and sixty six.

    Thank you for hearing His voice to spread the Gospel.
    May God Bless you in these end days.
    May we pray that we are found worthy.
    Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

  50. what if the covenant was made in the spirit realm so that no one really knows who he is until it is to late becouse I know who he really is!

  51. do you even care that you all are wrong and you had better ask your selves who and what is it you serve is it you is it your own passions becouse ifit is any thing beside yeshuwa then your in serious trouble

    • hi bernie

      I would expect satan to have a spiritual kingdom on earth to counterfiet the kingdom of God. There are different ways this could be done. Who do you think “he” is?

  52. Israelis and Palestinians to Resume Talks, Officials SayBy MARK LANDLER
    Published: August 19, 2010

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/world/middleeast/20mideast.html

  53. Daniel 9 has already happened. The leader we read in Daniel 9 was Antiochos IV Epifanes.

    //The Prophet

  54. I personally believe that the abomination hat causes desolation already sits on the Temple mount and does take away the sacrifice.

  55. You’ve added more interesting thoughts on the peace and safety that is so often talked about. I’ve been very confused about this because the whole book of Revelation seems full of danger and not peace. The only period that could possibly be peaceful for Israel might be with the first seal. But, if Israel defeats Russia and allies and knows that God did it, why would they even want a peace treaty or think they need one. Your explanation makes sense.

    • hi vi

      “peace and safety” for Israel means there are no rockets firing at them that day. they have not had peace since they entered the land.

      The white horse is a deception. It’s white color might proclaim peace or purity but it’s rider carries a weapon.

      Gog and Magog have attacked israel before, but lost.

      The hatred prompts them to keep trying.

      There will be several tries, and the last attempt will be a larger coalition, but a final defeat.

  56. Time of the Abomination Setup:
    Luk_19:43; Dan_9:27; Mat_24:15; Mar_13:14

    Mar 13:14 But when you see the abomination of desolation, that spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (let him who reads understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

    Luk 21:20-24 And when you see JERUSALEM COMPASSED WITH ARMIES, then know that its destruction has come. v21 And let those in Judea flee to the mountains. And those in its midst, let them go out. And those in the open spaces, let them not go into her. v22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. v23 But woe to those who are with child, and to those suckling in those days! For there shall be great distress in the land and wrath on this people. v24 And they shall fall by the sword’s edge. And shall be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the nations until the times of the nations is fulfilled.

    When one looks at the 1949 Armistice Green Line Wall
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier
    and considers that an Armistice is NOT a peace treaty, but rather is a fragile temporary agreement to disagree… And then one considers Luk21:20 Jerusalem being compassed with armies… and how this new 25 foot high cement military wall COMPASSES Jerusalem on three sides… it remains very interesting regarding abomination setup.

    Dan9:27a And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate… Dan8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. Dan8:25b …he shall magnify himself in his heart, and BY PEACE shall destroy many: …

    The 7 year PEACE treaty may be nothing more than officially relabeling the 1949 Armistice Green Line Wall as no longer a volatile armistice zone. It could be that simple! Only time will tell, but what we know now is this wall on 3 sides of Jerusalem proves that peace & safety is fragile at best. Yes, the 1967 six-day-war established the West Bank Armistice as Israeli property, but a wall many years later was STILL necessary. -> -> -> Something universally accepted as more stable than a concrete wall is needed to qualify as the covenant which starts the 7 year clock ticking. The wall just proves there continues to be a problem. Removal of the wall would not remove the problem. Only something which would appease all parties living on both sides of the wall would qualify.

    What I’m suggesting is that the Dan9:27 covenant may only be a geographically internal covenant limited to Israel only, but approved unanimously by all near east players.

    Thoughts anyone?

    • treaty could also be OSLO….

      whichever one it was, it has been repeatedly broken

    • The lawless one comes with all the workings of Satan misleading the world, and making a treaty with the many for one week. Perhpas, it is much more than a simple agreement.

      This Syrian internal war is starting to break out into the region. If it goes global, we might see a peace treaty from the lawless one, but the restrainer must be removed for it to happen.

      Side topic: A lot of people are still without power after Sandy in the northeast. All of us should have our our gear, and MRE’s squared away for a three week problem Don’t wait for your mommie, or G-d to make it happen for you.

      Second place is first loser.

      • true. hurrincane sandy is proof that the government is NOT there for you, and you need to network to get help and you need to learn to help yourself

      • Seems the restrainer removal would be in close tandem only with the breaking of such a treaty, a durable treaty which:
        (1) had remained stable for near 3.5 years, plus
        (2) had an officially defined time limit of 7 years.

        To my knowledge, NONE of all the treaties made with Israel in recent years have had an expiration date, not the less a 7 year expiration date. A 7-year pact is a very specific pre-condition.

        • you know, there is nothing in the bible that says WHAT the covenant with many actually is…it does not say it is a peace treaty, which would gain attention…….

          it also does not say Israel is part of the covenant with many, although it may be the central focus of some agreement

          it could be a secret covenant of arab states joining together to destroy Israel.

          so there would be no indication of an alliance, and many are already forming, until the abomination actually occurs.

        • I agree. So, far there has not been a 7 year treaty. However, should what appears to be a regional war brewing go global, there could be a treaty from the lawless one which allows a rebuilt Jewish Temple.

          Lucifer whats to proclaim himself G-d under penalty of death. Superman will be his son. Like Nimrod.

    • I see the (abomination that causes desolation) as the chip set up (where it ought not to be) in mankind, as we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, when we see this being set up we are to flee to the wilderness / country as we will not be able to buy or sell , then the stopping of the daily sacrifice and offering happens at the same time(Jesus is our daily sacrifice)so the persecution and stopping of the worship of Christ, Daniel 8: 25,26 . the body of Christ will be cleansed at this time walking in the fire of the Holy Spirit many giving their lives and being cleansed by their testimony by not accepting the mark / chip, then those that die during that time will not have to go through the judgement (rev 20 vrs 6-8) as they have been clothed in white already and reign with Christ for a 1000 years they then return with Christ at his return and the dead in Christ rise to meet him in the Clouds first and then the living in Christ.I also think the 45 days mentioned in daniel is a pointer to Christs return as the angel says: Happy are those that remain faithful until 1,335 days are over!

  57. Where in the timeline does the rapture occur. I dont see where the church is in Tribulation, can you help me understand.

  58. Glad I fond this site, even 4 years late. How do you get the idea that the antichrist breaks the treaty one month before the middle? As I see it he does not enter the temple until after the 2 witnesses are killed, which is exactly the middle.

    Thanks

  59. Another good post Marianne 😃 this one was posted in a FB group discussing who the AC and what covenant is made. I noticed it was yours 😃

  60. I’ve been telling people this for forever. Almost everyone I know has bought into this “peace treaty with Israel” thing. Its what all the big names ,big churches, and so called,self proclaimed prophets are teaching. Who even reads their Bible anymore? The term “reading” implies comprehension. All these people calling themselves Christians don’t even read their own Bibles, taking someone else’s word for it on scripture “interpretation” when no interpretation is needed. God gave you a brain. Use it!
    I much appreciate this site just even for this page!
    BTW, I was wondering if someone else here has also looked into the fact that God NEVER refers to Israel as the “fig tree”. But millions of Christians have bought into the idea that Matthew 24’s fig tree reference is about Israel. It’s NOT. The fig tree here is in a “parable” even made plain by Jesus himself. The “fig tree” ALL through scripture refers to prosperity and abundance. Only one place does God COMPARE his actions toward Israel to the actions one takes with bad “figs”(to throw them away).
    Also, the abomination of desolation is the beginning of the tribulation, making it 3.5 years, NOT 7 years, according to Matthew 24.
    Oh, and where do we begin about the false doctrine of a tribulation rapture?

    Thank you
    Troy

    • Yes Troy, but you are being a bit stiff lipped. Comprehension is not of a worldly mind…..as you know if it for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, a Holy Spirit gifted insight as we are fed. If it was only an intellectual conclusion then those of lesser IQ might be considered damned by default.

    • I need to unpack your dissertation some: Let’s save the fig for another reply. Please elaborate on tribulation rapture and be specific please, esp. taking heed to 2 Thessalonians, thanks..and i agree about the 3.5 years, but i need more from you. When do you think the harpazo/rapture is going to occur?

    • Regarding your thought that the Fig Tree is NOT Israel: IF not Israel, THEN who?.. for while you say it is a state of prosperity your notion is challenged by the Geneva, KJV, ESV and NIV versions of the Bible that refer by object “its” or “his”….some commentary conveys the fig to be Jerusalem specific and others the end of the age of the gentile and the renewal of the covenant with the seed of Abraham and on and on…..Also, if you frame the fig with the rest of Mathew 24 it is utter destruction and ugly going on in that chapter, which coincides with what you initially cited as rotten fruit discarded.

  61. One interesting part of scripture, is that when Jesus calls Judas Iscariot “The Son of perdition” this also being referred to the Antichrist.

  62. The use of the term Antichrist is overplayed. As cited above “The Man of Perdition” is more appropriate. Thinking him to be a statesman is also not crisp. This person will have the ability to cause the Catholic church, the Jews and Muslims to come to the table with a false peace. Typically these kind of figures are do not carry political overtones, but usually are apolitical figures like Gandhi who will be held out as a man of peace who will heal us from all of the violence. Remember all is counterfeit and a diabolic rip off of what we cleave to as good. Playing pin the tail on the antichrist is not productive. Spend the time chasing these issues in your prayer closet taking to the Father in the name of Yeshua/Jesus. Love like there is no tomorrow and serve those in need. Spread the gospel to all of creation and expose corruption along the way. Peace, Joy and Love to all.

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