When Unbelievers see Truth better than Believers

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The story of the crucifixion contains a warning to modern believers.

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The trial and crucifixion is described in John 18-19

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In the time of Christ, the Jews were the believers, the ones who were to know the truth.

Yet the crowd that condemned Jesus did not see the truth.

They screamed “crucify him!”

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Pilate, an unbeliever, asked some rational questions.

Pilate asked what truth was, and Jesus told him.

Pilate understood what a king was, and that the kingdom of Jesus was not of this world, and that he was king of the Jews in some way.

This is why he hung the sign, “King of the Jews” on his cross.

He also displayed the fear of God when he was told Jesus had claimed to be God’s son.

Pilate told the mob, “I see no fault in him.”

He did this 3 times.

He struggled to free Jesus, but the crowd chose Barabbas instead.

A thief, and insurrectionist, instead of their Messiah

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And the crowd continued its denial 3 times.

It demanded death, not acceptance.

Finally, Peter also denied Jesus 3 times.

It was insane what was happening.

So, those that were expected to know and share the truth, had truth killed.

Those that were supposed to be blind could actually see the truth.

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The bible predicted a great falling away in the last days.

This falling away, which is going on now, denies Jesus as king and savior, and crucifies him all over again.

To many “believers,” Jesus is dead to them, and they have done the killing.

Christians are choosing criminals and insurrectionists to lead them, instead of our Lord.

Are you one of those who claim to have the faith, yet deny Him, or have modified Jesus to some other Jesus, more to your personal liking?

Does your Jesus allow sin?

Does your Jesus deny hell?

Does your Jesus allow other ways to the Father in heaven?

Does your Jesus endorse greed, and self-glorification?

Is your Jesus all about the money?

God is not mocked.

Repent.


138 Responses to “When Unbelievers see Truth better than Believers”

  1. In my own experience, it is the church of today that persecutes the true saints. Christians today also do not consult God but want to do things in their own power. Jesus had something radical to say about this in Matt 7:21-23.

    But then, few Christians really know the TRUE God, who is ONE. Isaiah 9:6-7 holds a clue, for instance.

    Perhaps we need Paul to visit to that he can introduce the church to the Unknown God??

    • Here’s my thought of the unknown God (MY THOUGHTS ONLY … NOT NECESSARILY THE TRUTH)

      God the spirit is to God the father as our spirits are to us (Gen 1:27). God the spirit is also to Jesus as our spirits are to us. However, God the son (Jesus) takes the human form, the cannal form, and God the father takes a more glorious form, too glorious for the eyes of man to behold (Exo 33:20). God the son was created by God the father but shared the Spirit of the father (John 10:30) so that by declaration, Jesus was made the son of God (Matt3:17).

      No need to fight me!!!

      • Hi, Good Guy! I don’t think that anyone here is fighting you?

        About God, picture this, taken directly from the Word. It makes interesting thinking!

        “He fills heaven and earth”

        “He encamps around us”

        “I keep heaven and earth in place”

        God appears as seven, or nine, etc., not just as a trinity.🙂 How He appears (He needs to manifest as He is unseen) always has to do with His ministry / purpose / function and is of symbolic value, always.

        And no, I am not fighting anyone….

        • “He fills heaven and earth” is probably the spirit of God (note that heaven sometimes means the sky)

          “He encamps around us” still is probably the spirit of God

          “I keep heaven and earth in place” by His word. (I just get the feeling that some over zealous religious fanatic would probably pop out of nowhere and start reighning the world of insults on me or you)😐

      • Greetings Good guy and all,

        The problem with your theory is that the word of God emphatically proclaims that Jesus is God.

        “In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.” (Jn 1:1)

        “Matthew 1:21-23 – She will give birth to a Son and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” — Which means, “God with us.”
        (Isaiah 7;14)

        “John 5:17-18 – Jesus said to them “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”

        “John 20:27-29 – Then he said to Thomas “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

        “Acts 20:28 – Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

        Rom.9:5 – Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

        Philippians 2:5-7 – Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

        Col.1:13-18 – He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

        Titus 2:13 – While we wait for the blessed hope — the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

        I have many, many more Scriptures, but I think you get the point. Furthermore, if Jesus was created by the Father he could not have paid the penalty for our sins. If that was the case, then we might as well believe the same thing that the Jehovahs witnesses do, that being that Jesus is Michael the archangel incarnate. No! The only one who could kin himself to mankind and make atonement for us was God himself.

        That being said, Jesus is asking each believer the same question that he posed to his disciples:

        But who do you say that I am?

        • Mr. Don,

          Well i would now like to explain my idea of the spirit

          1Corinthians 9:27 ‘But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway’

          We are spirits living in fleshy vessels. Your real identity is your spirit and your spirit is you. That explains what paul says in the above passage. Gen 2:17 sheds more light on this ‘for the lord formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathe into his nostrils the breath of life, and he became a living soul’ This shows that the real man is not the flesh, because he was not alive after the creation of the flesh was complete.

          So if i get your point Mr. Don, you are saying that the bible presents Jesus as both the son of God and God himself. Well, maybe you should confirm for yourself, where and when the bible refers to the spirit of God, and when it refers to the flesh of Jesus in its comparisons between Jesus and God. Jesus is actually God because they share the same spirit. However, In totality (flesh and spirit), he is the son of God. Fleshwise only, He is the son of mary.

          Again, these are just my thoughts. No need for fighting.😐

      • Hello again,

        My point – and I am not fighting, just contending for the truth – was based on what you said ” God the son was created by God the father”. Jesus was always God prior to coming in the flesh, while he was in the flesh and after he returned to the Father. He never stopped being God. In fact, he was God in the flesh after he resurrected:

        “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

        But to go a step further, we are actually made up of body, soul and spirit and not just body and spirit, but there are three parts to us.

        “For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.”

        To be clear, when I say that Jesus is God, I am not saying that he is the Father, but that other person of the Godhead who is also God. I do not pretend to be able explain the fulness of God’s existance, but only what I can read in the Scriptures and whatever understanding that he gives.

        When Jesus said to the Jewish leaders “Before Abraham was I am,” they picked up stones to stone him because Jesus used the title of “I am” which was the title given to Moses when he asked God “Who shall I say has sent me?” Tell the Israelites, I AM that I AM. Tell them I AM has sent you. This is the name that I am to be known by throughout all generations. And so the Jews attempted to stone Jesus because he was claiming to be the “I AM”. And he said that Abraham rejoiced to see his day. This took place when Jesus and the two angels visited Abraham at his tent while on their way to get Lot out of Sodom so that he could destroy it.

        Jesus was God before he came in the flesh, was God while he was here on earth and is now sitting at the right hand of the Father as God. He is and always has been God.

        • Don,

          We are actually saying the same thing. The only thing is that i am trying to explain how Jesus is God, and at the same time, the son of God, by comparing the spirit of Jesus, and the flesh of Jesus. Sometimes, when Jesus talks about himself, He refers to his flesh, and sometimes, He actually talks about himself (his spirit). From what He has said about himself, i understand to mean, in a nutshell that

          Jesus’s spirit = God the spirit = the spirit of God, the father.

          Jesus is God the spirit in the human flesh, God is God the spirit in the glorious form (equivalent to the fleshy vessel of Jesus)

          When any fighter of mind speakers pops up, you will know by their comments cos they are reading these comments and are feeling quite aggitated!😐

      • And then you went out fighting the TRUTH I am teaching and you come in utter ignorance or perhaps stupidity. Please, if you are out of your depth, shut your trap and stop soothsaying on behalf of Satan. Do NOT expect lenience or “love” from me as long as you act as a false prophet and a deceiver!!!!

  2. O how (what is happening in the world right now) must our Lords heart break, He who gave His life so that we can forever be with Him where He is.

    How would we feel, if they that we love dearly, is torn away from us and we know we most probably never going to see them again?, the pain and heartache that will fill us?

    How much more is it going to affect Him, that love with a love so pure, that we cannot really comprehend it!

    I f you deny that Jesus is born in the flesh, REPENT, because the time to do so is running out, in any case, we never know when our time of grace will run out, therefore, there is no better time than the present to do so.

    He is sitting there on the verandah, watching the road to see whether one of the lost ones is coming HOME. He’s forever ready to receive you and to put a ring on your finger, to dress you in the finest robe, to slaughter the fatted calf and there will be joy in the house, for that lost sheep was found. Even the angels in heaven rejoice over every sinner that repents.

    Do not miss the opportunity while it still presents itself.

    Praise and Glory belongs to our Lord and Saviour forever, Amen.

  3. Yet it was in church or by fellow worshippers that our family was torn apart and also other families. There were arrests made when we uncovered grand theft and perjury, fraud, prostitution, etc., by pastors! They then laid false charges with Police and we were arrested, I was physically injured by the cops and still suffer, almost three years later. Our daughter was estranged from us by an ex-pastor and his wife, who denies the Deity of Jesus Christ. We have asked the church community to intervene as in Matt 18:15++ and 1 Cor 5:9-12. The church community of my entire city, 3.5 million people, refused and even protects the errant pastors, defending them with their last drop of blood. Even a police office warned us and said the pastor was seen at Satanist meetings/covens. Yet the CHURCH protects him and hates our guts, telling the world that WE are satanic!

    Isn’t the what the church did to Jesus, Peter, Paul and others? It isn’t coming to Cape Town; it is here already!

    Few Christians will be in heaven as the number of obedient disciples is rather limited. Few do the will of God but follow their own insight.

    Please do NOT send newly reborns to church; it is a DANGEROUS place!!

    • Pieter
      Matthew 5:10-12.

      • Hi Beloved! Yes, you are right and that scripture is so true. It just took me long to realise that the church here is not what we have expected it to be. We moved to Cape Town in 2004 and have experienced horror upon horror.

        Recently, a week ago, we came to the rescue of yet another persecuted family, we have seen it happen to others as well. They also came from another province and were unpleasantly surprised by what they have found here. In my own situation, Marianne called in the help of a pastor in my suburb and it took enormous effort to get him to meet with me. We were to share and pray together but he always “forgot” to pitch up so I just decided to leave it at that.

        It does surprise me that the church is the fountain of persecution here; it is 2011 and we have Jesus, the Holy spirit, unlike the Jews back then. We are used to Christians being persecuted in communist countries, or in Muslim countries, but by the church here in Cape Town??

        Will I get used to this?? It is like being stabbed by one’s own mother…. I am only sharing this to point out that what Marianne has posted above is very real and relevant.

  4. My LORD what a powerful message right there! Tears Marianne, that’s all I have right now….

  5. Hey, can you beat this? Our Pope was murdered by the mob in 1978 to protect the criminal banks and mafia. Guess who runs it now?

    Stick with the Gospels whatever your church…enjoy the prayers, the music, the good you find….but don’t worship any church.

  6. Yes indeed- Tradition in numerals adds up to 666 – Jesus said the “The Organized religion of His day the Pharisse, Sadducees, etc. His the Lords words had no effect to them because of their “traditions”. Same in this generation. Laodicean church age is blinded, naked, wretched and don’t even know it. Thats pretty bad to be naked and dont even know it. At least Adam and Eve knew they was naked. So much for the conscience of this age.
    Pharisee’s called Jesus a devil and Jesus said their father was the devil.
    A Samaritan Prostitute at the well believed when Jesus told her all things she ever did. He also told her straight out He was the Messiah. She believed but the scholars of that age were to smart and could not be humbled to except the simplicity that was in Jesus message. 1 Cor. 1:22-28
    The Gaderanean maniac and other demon possessed people in that day knew who Jesus was. The maniac cried out – “What have I to do with thee, Jesus, Thou Son of the Most High God” He repented immediately. He was possessed with 1,000 demons – he live in the Tombs, extra ordinary strength’s and could not be tamed. He was a very good sinner to say the least. Like many in our world today who claim some form of religion and want to kill people. The gaderanean would have fit into our society today and blended right in with most gangs, taverns, hollywood on and on and on.
    Its pretty amazing when you think that the Pigs could not even stand the devils that was in this human being. And they chose death over living when they got possessed with what a human being had in him. Think about it for awhile. Man that is without God is more sure to come to God when he hears the Voice calling him more than the self-righteous will. We have been evangelised to DEATH in America. And taught Baby doctrines so much that most just choke to death on a piece of meat. Just like in Jesus day. But when our Pastors and teachers will not teach the “Whole Council” of God that is whats going to be their downfall and will have to give an account for their actions and deeds.
    Lord Bless you all In Jesus Name — Bro. York

  7. The believers have become the unbelievers and the unbelievers have become the believers. The LORD predicted he would do it. He has turned everything on its head.

    How many of you have rada divine conduct? Genesis 1:26 How many of you can communicate with animals and heal them? How many of you heal and purify the oceans and the people?

    As the Son of God predicted, the dead in Christ would rise first and they certainly did. It is a global movement of the heart. Nothing to do with religious buildings that he predicted would burn in the flames.

    This is the time that the heavenly Father is pulling up all the weeds. Seek within and you shall find. Knock and the door shall open for you.

    Belief in a devil is a weed that our heavenly Father did not plant in you. Man planted the weeds in you and the Church helped he weeds to grow. Weeds strangle the beautiful flowers and stop them from growing and developing spiritually.

    You have to walk the highway to holiness to become holy.

    Then you become an angel of ELOHIM and then a saint.

    • The bible mentions the devil, satan. he is real.

      • Padre Pio always said the devil is like a mad dog on a chain…you can’t get caught unless you get too close.

        Today the social protections for people are down….all ages are exposed to the temptations early generations never imagined.

        In “Russia House” by Le Carre a man says, “Today you have to think like a hero to be an ordinary, decent human being.”

        On the light side, Montaigne wrote, “In an age of licentiousness you can get a reputation for virtue at a bargain price.”

        Of course the devils are real…some worse than others. I have one that makes me obsess over my clothes when I’;m stressed…not a awful one since Goodwill gets things! But still I keep trying to see this coming and outwit it! Nobody is peaceful and strong all the time…perhaps humility is even more important.

    • Lucifer tempeted Christ during his fourty days in the wilderness.

      That’s right, there is no devil. Right Old Knob? I understand who you are now.

      Do you plan to make more Nephilim, or have you made all you need? Will you be shwoing them to the world soon, or do you have to wait until G-d allows you to make your move, and mislead the masses?

      I’m just curious. Because, all those abduction cases state they see the offspring of humans, and Aliens.

      Cheers.

  8. “I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.”

    The snakes and the scorpions in the verse above represents Satan and his angels. Regarding this the word of God also says:

    “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.”

    The “Them” in the Scripture above are those that have the spirit of the antichrist, which John says is anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ. The one who is in you is the Holy Spirit and the one who is in the world is Satan.

    If we resist him by standing firm in the faith, then he cannot harm us. The only time that a person could put him or herself in a bad situation is by being involved in Ouija boards, seances, tarot cards, channeling, ghost hunting, drugs (which is referred to as witch craft) and the like and that because it puts a person in the flesh seperating you from God and it opens the person up for demonic interaction. I am suprised to see how many people who claim to be Christians that are involved in the above. There are some who are involved in ghost hunting and they believe that they are helping deceased spirits cross over. This is dangerous in that as soon as anyone calls upon a spirit, they become a medium or a spiritist at that point, which is forbidden by God and puts a person in the flesh. The other problem is that by engaging in those things, a person opens him or herself up to demonic interaction.

    What most people don’t know is that, whenever there is any type of paranormal activity, it is always demonic in nature and that because God’s word is clear in that when a person dies who is in Christ he/she goes to be in Christ’s presence. On the otherhand, the person who has rejected Christ goes to be in Hades until the great white throne judgment. God knows the time of death for each person, even for unbelievers. Even the very hairs of our head are all numbered. My point is that, God does not allow human souls to wander around the earth to haunt houses and people.

    We should learn all that we can about our enemy from the word of God and continue seeking God and all of his righteousness. If we do not open ourselves up by engaging in those things mentioned above and we continue seeking after God in prayer and by studying his word, then we cannot be harmed, for the Spirit of God dwells in us.

  9. Don, in not following the point-to-point directions of our Holy Spirit “GPS”, we open ourselves to all sorts of calamity or at least failure in being His instruments. We don’t have to involve ourselves in magic to get where you have stated; we just have to be doing our own will instead of His, using our own mental capacity instead of His.

    Most people will never understand this…………..and keep doing as they see fit.

  10. Pieter,

    Yes, I agree, but I was pointing out something that is going on in the world that unbelievers and Christians are involved with that they are unaware of. Being involved in the events that I mentioned in the last post can open the door to direct demonic interaction. The word of God says that, “If any man says that he is without sin he is a liar and the true is not in him.” That we are all sinners does not directly open us up to demonic interaction, for alll have sinned; where engagement in the afore mentioned events can and do.

    There is a big difference between those who are sinners, who are in agreement with God about their sins and are wrestling to overcome the sinful nature, compared to those who call themselves Christians, but are justifying and embracing their sins and are living after the flesh.

  11. Don, yes, yet it is in churches that the Kundalini serpent spirit is spread by the “holy spirit” which is an imitation of the real One. And it is in churches here in Cape Town and on Christian radio that we are being taught that the 666 microchip is of no harm and can safely be implanted. In so doing, our religious leaders may be sending millions of reborns straight to hell. Some soap operas have more demon influence than some magic; ignorance leads people to calamity. Thank you for educating; perhaps Marianne and you can make a separate column of it for future reference? What you are saying is necessary for people to hear. Have you noticed how many Christian women wear magic charms like half moons, dolphins, etc.?

    • Hello again Pieter,

      I am interested in what you said about:

      “And it is in churches here in Cape Town and on Christian radio that we are being taught that the 666 microchip is of no harm and can safely be implanted.

      Yes, for that last several years we have had the technology for the mark of the beast and the system is already to go. All that is necessary is for that beast to come onto the world scene and the changing of the device from debit card to personal computer chip in order for one to credit and debit his/her account (Buying and selling). Currently, the way in which people debit their accounts is via debit card, but later it will be done with the individuals personal chip, which I believe will replace the debit card. Tell me, what is it that Christian radio and the churches there are teaching there regarding the mark? Why would they teach the exact opposite of what the word of God teaches?

      Regarding the chip, safe implantation is not the issue, but the sin is the receiving of it! As I am sure that you know, the word of God is very clear in regards to what will happen to those who do receive it. In fact, God sends an angel during the last 3 1/2 years to warn the inhabitants of the earth of the consequences for receiving that mark. (Rev.14:9-12)

      • Don,

        I’d like to quote what Marianne said that i agree with

        ‘It is true that many are deceived by false spirits and think it is God. The word of God is our guide … if we seek self fulfilling and self oriented prophecies, pursue earthly lusts and sensationalism, we will be deceived’

        In this light, I would now like to refer to Rev 12:1 ‘And there appeared a great wonder in heaven …’, and Rev 13:18, ‘Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding COUNT the NUMBER of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is Six hundred, three score, and six’.

        The fact that the chip is called a 666 chip doesn’t make it the mark of the beast. Remember that the coming of the beast and his mark is actually part of a series of signs (Rev 12:1), and not the vision of the exact thing that would happen, else, we should probably be waiting for a beast with horns like a lamb to pop out of the sea soon and push people around.

        Also, 666 doesn’t represent the MARK of the beast but the NUMBER, which is pronounced most times as six six six (a code), instead of the number it actually is, six hundred and sixty six (Rev 13:17-18).

        • Hi Good Guy and all,

          Whatever you envision the mark to be, I believe that we can agree that it will be implanted in the right hand or on the forhead and that according to Scripture, at that time unless anyone has this mark they will not be able to buy or sell, which is crediting and debiting. Furthermore, the woman of Rev.12:1 has nothing to do with the mark, as God has provided the symbolism of who she is which can be found in Genesis 37:9-10. For Jacob gives us the symbolic meaning of the sun, moon and stars which his son Joseph dreamt of.

          The inhabitants of the earth will receive this mark, those whose names that had not been written in the book of life before the world began. (Rev.13:8, 17:8)

      • Don, thanks.

        1. The RFID chip is already being implanted into some govt officials in the Americas and the South African Revenue Services also plan to do it – it was announced during a budget speech to revert to secure biometrics.

        2. RFID is already on practically every consumer item, including your dorito’s and your soda. Automatic debiting is already being done by volunteers and there is no cashier required.

        3. Access control is another area where the RFID is already in use. An order for two billion of the new, very small chips had been placed with some chip maker in Asia.

        4. Churches and Christian radio stations also protect a pastor who is seen as a Satanist by many in the community as well as the police. It is because these churches are false and deceivers – like the temple in the time of Jesus. This is the actual topic on this page and I am a veteran victim in the “free” South Africa.

        • Hi Pieter,

          It is good to see that someone else understands how the prophecy of this mark is to be utilized.I have been following this technology ever since I began to study Revelation, which was 40 years ago. When I saw the technology for the ATM machines, I knew that this was related to the mark of the beast system, as well the UPC codes. Then along came the point of sale (POS) technology and the debit card making it possible for electronic credit and debit transactions to ones bank account. The only thing left is for the debit card to be replaced by a personal access device, which could possibly be the RFID chip or something simular. I know that they are already using these subdermal chips in a club in the Netheralnds and Barcelona.

          Whenever I go to the grocery store or any other place of buisness, I observe how people make their paryments and the majority of them are paying via debit card. I believe that paying electronically via debit card is conditioning people for what is coming, which is that personal computer chip. They will just go from debt card to their own personal implanted chip to be able to perform the same activity on their bank accounts (buying and selling). I believe that this is exactly why all financial institutions are pushing to have all people pay electronically instead of by check via invoice. When I tell people this they say, “Oh, people would never accept something implanted on their bodies.” Have ya seen the amount of tattooed and body-pierced people on this planet? Not too mention that the false prophet will be performing signs, miracles and wonders to give credibilty to the beast who will be proclaiming himself to be God!

          Also, I believe that the way that the false prophet “Forces” the inhabitants of the earth to receive that mark is not by physical force, but by making obsolete all the other methods for buying and selling. By making cash, checks, credit and debit obsolete and leaving only that personal mark, then in fact it would force a person to receive it in order to be able to continue to perform any type of financial transaction to their bank account. For without it, a person would not have electronic access to his/her bank account. On the otherhand, the saints of that time will know what this mark is and will reject it and will rather be willing to die for Jesus’ name sake and for the word of God.

          The Day of the Lord is Quickly approching!

        • Hi Pieter,

          Tell me, are any of these people that you mentioned acutally using their implant to perform real-time financial transactions yet? That is, are these people having their products scanned and then having their chip implants scanned to make electronic payment? Just currious, because I try to keep track of the progress of the subdermal implant technology. I believe at some point, the chip will begin to be used parallel with cash, checks, credit and debit and eventually will overtake them in use. I believe that the world is now being prepared for the arrival of the beast and his kingdom. This is why all financial institutions are pushing to go electronic and to make cash and checks obsolete.

  12. Pieter this is for you.
    http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2011/12/bethlehem-ephrathah-micah-5.html

    Marianne hasatan in Judaism was the accuser, the adversary, the opponent of all that is holy. Many Church goers accuse the angels of ELOHIM.

    • Hi Eliakim,

      Satan truly is God’s and our adversary, but when he rebelled against God a third of the angels also rebelled with him. HIs fall is recorded in Isaiah 14:12-15 and also in Ezekiel 28:13. In Revelation 12:4 the “Stars” that are mentioned are symbolic for his angels, who along with Satan will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth 3 1/2 years prior to the end of the age when Jesus returns to the earth to set up his millennial kingdom.

      • No Don, the stars in Rev 12 are not symbolic of the angels of hasatan at all. However, only the wondrous woman from heaven knows what those stars relate to because it was divine experience with the LORD when he put the 12 stars upon her head. Do not forget that she is clothed in the sun and that relates to the golden gown in Psalm 45. In the LORD’s plan for the last days of then end times in Micah 4. It is the Kingdom of daughter Jerusalem that the LORD is establishing.

        • Eliakim,

          I would have to disagree with you on this one and that because the Scriptures support what I am claiming by comparing the two:

          “A great and wonderous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed witht he sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.” (Rev.12:1-2)

          “Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. ‘Listen, ” he said, ‘I had another dream and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.’ When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rubuked him and said, ‘What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?’ ” (Gen.37-9-10)

          In the verse above, Jacob gives us the answer to the identity of each of the symbols with the sun being sybolic of Jacob, the moon being symbolic of Joseph’s mother , that is, Jacob’s wives and the eleven stars are eleven of the twelve tribes of Israel, Joseph being the twelfth.

          Since the woman is said to be clothed with the sun (Jacob), with the moon (Jacobs wives) under her feet and a crown of twelves stars (Twelve tribes of Israel), the woman therefore as a whole represents the nation Israel. Of this there is no question, as this is what God has provided as an answer to the symbolism in Revelation 12.

          Always remember, whenever there is symbolism in the word of God, the interpretation can be found elsewhere in Scripture. The problem that I see today is that, instead of looking for the answer to the the symbolism that God provides, people make up their own. They either symbolize what is meant to be taken literally or they come up with the wrong answer to the symbolism.

          In both Genesis and Revelation we have the same exact symbols being used which was God’s intention and therefore, all one has to do to find out the meaing of the woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars, is read about Josheph’s dream in Genesis 37:9-10.

          To further support this, the woman fleeing out in the desert to a place prepared for her by God and cared for for a time, times and a half a time (3 1/2 years) is synonymous with the desolation that takes place when that abomination is set up in the Holy Place within the temple referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:15.

  13. to any or all

    it is true that many are deceived by false spirits and think it is God. The word of God is our guide. and as someone said, the holy spirit is our compass.

    if we really seek the truth, and holiness, we will find it.

    if we seek self fulfilling and self oriented prophecies, pursue earthly lusts and sensationalism, we will be deceived.

  14. Marianne

    What you have said is quite relevant – the Word of God is our guide. If your church skimp on teaching from the Word, it is time to jump ship and walk on the water towards Him.

  15. Yes but how do you know?

    • HI Steve,

      Allow me to answer that one. If the pastor, reverend, overseer or whatever title he is, if he is not preching or teaching what is contained in the word of God, then you will know that is not the truth. But, in order to be able to tell whether or not he is teching the true word of God, the believer must study the Scriptures in order to know what is the truth and what is a lie. We must be like the Bereean’s who, when Paul taught them, they searched the Scriptures daily to see if what Paul was teaching was the truth. Even now, there is a big movement of so-called Christians who are claiming that the word of God is corrupted and that because it was written by men. This of course is just another deception by Satan. Jesus said,

      “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”

      Therefore, God’s word is his truth, which we can rely upon, trust in, depend on and antisipate. For if this collection of books that we know as the word of God was corrupted, then the verse above would make Jesus out to be a liar. Our God is all mighty and is able to keep his word intact. It is impossible for man to be able to remove the word of God.

  16. Steve, the fruit………

  17. So is this acceptable ‘fruit’?

    • This guy is as twisted as the individuals he describes. He has picked out a select few, to generalize to the entire nation. This man is more dangerous than those he criticizes.

      • Marianne

        This is true but it does show that one cannot trust a whole nation as ‘chosen’ if individuals within that ‘chosen’ nation act and remark as the have done in this film. Or to put it another way, how do you know which of the ‘chosen’ people to trust?

        • Steve

          You just have to trust God on this one. Hollywood actors are notorious for their godlessness.

          Even when Israel was deep in sin in the bible times, it was still chosen.

          God would send in enemies to punish it and make it repent.

          He does the same thing with us. We have all sinned and come short of the glory and expectations of God.

          are we better than Israel?

          yes and no….

          Christians are chosen too….and look how bad many of them act.

          Does it mean God will change his mind about his choice.?

          not really

          God will act to bring us all out of ourselves and bring us into his presence in a more disciplined, holy condition.

          Most of us will go through a tribulation, where we will be refined by fire and suffering.

          Mankind is so flesh oriented that it takes extreme action by God to turn us around.

          sad but true.

          We have to leave the judging up to God.

          Only he can read the hearts, and know the future of each person and nation.

          • I understand. But I do not understand the meaning of a ‘chosen’ nation if any of the individuals within it can be anti Christ. That just seems like ANY nation to me. It is a bit like saying ‘trust some of us’ but again that is true of any one. I have nothing against the Israeli nation but neither can I understand why I should be particularly for them if members act like this. What happens if their Prime Minister makes anti Christ comments or actions… are they STILL ‘chosen’ then.

            • steve

              they were not chosen because they were righteous or had special holiness. It was a sovereign decision by god. he could have chosen brazil or germany, but instead he chose israel, to prove it has nothing to do with merit.

              they were chosen to be the channel through which the messiah would come to the world….so satan has always attacked israel, trying to destroy god’s plan.

            • Hi Steve,

              The nation of Israel were chosen by YHVH to be a holy people (seperate people) unto YHVH, so that the Almighty might be glorified through that nation. For the most part the nation of Israel has failed YHVH in that responsibility, and yet YHVH still remembers the nation of Israel because YHVH is faithful to them, despite the fact they have chosen not to be so towards Him. In chosing one nation..Israel..YHVH makes it easy on us who believe, to see that He proves His existence through the nation of Israel. Deut 7:6-8 “For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all that are upon the face of the earth. The Lord did not set his love upon you, because you were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egpyt”.

              The nation of Israel’s disobedience also serves as a warning to us, that we too can fall by the wayside. However, YHVH is merciful, and desires for all of us to repent..prodigal son etc, and not to be like the man who hid his talent and wasted his opportunity to get right with YHVH in Christ.

              YHVH is still working with Israel today to prove His exsitence. The re-establishment of the nation in 1948, was one of the most important signs to us today that Christ is about to re-enter the scene of world events. Israel had to be re-established to fulfill prophecy, as well as to prepare Israel for a great humbling. Israel will have to experience a terrifying humiliation, when their enemies (the beast/Daniel’s image) eventually come against them. It will no longer be the success Israel experienced during the 6-day war, when Israeli bullets were said to go around corners. The bible tells us that whilst the nation of Israel is in prayer they cannot be defeated as with the Yom Kippur war. When this final conflict comes it will be..suddenly..as a flood..as it was in the days of Noah!

              Whilst the parables of Christ are there to teach us all, they also have a Jewish application. Lk 12:39 “And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not suffered his house to be broken through”. Apart form the Messianic Jews Israel is not watching. Israel believs it is untouchable, and feels it has no need of YHVH or His Annointed. We have all been warned the “HOUR IS AT HAND”.

              • So do you believe that Christ will return in the flesh.?

                • steve

                  Jesus will return in his glorified body. he does not have to endure “flesh” and its limits again.

                • Steve, Marianne, all,

                  Jesus is going to return in the same body that he was resurrected in, which as he stated to his disciples, was flesh and bone, but yet a hevenly body. Regarding the resurrected, it has to do with our bodies being raised from the grave as can be seen from the following Scripture:

                  “”Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out–those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.”

                  So, the resurrection always has to do with our original bodies, else why bother with the grave? For as I said before, the word “Anastasis” translated “Resurrection” means to (Stan up again) that is, in the same body. Also, regarding this John said the following:

                  “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”

                  So in the ressurection, we will go from mortal to immortal, yet we wil have a body of flesh and bone, but an upgraded model, a heavenly model, just like the Lord’s resurrected body.

                  • Hi Don,

                    Though there are verses that would support your point of view, there are also others that would appear to contradict it.

                    I do however believe, that discussing this subject with the hopes that a definitive and conclusive answer might be found, could be rather pointless. For though you utilized the following scripture to substantiate your position, to me it shows, that not even the Apostles themselves appeared to know the answer.

                    “ Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be : but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” 1 John 3:2. KJV.

                    As well Yeshua not only said that we would not be able to die any more, but He may have also possibly implied that we may have bodily characteristics similar of that like the angels in Luke 20:35,36. (The transliteration “isaggelos”, (Strong’s 2465) being defined as “like the angels” and translated as “equal” in the King James.)

                    “35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage :
                    36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.” KJV.

                    In my own personal opinion though, (for I don’t believe that it can be conclusively proved one way or the other), I believe that there is the possibility that the “glorified spiritual” body has the ability to manifest if desired, into a flesh and blood body.
                    This would then explain the fallen angels being able to cohabitate with earthly women, and as well, the Saints returning with Yeshua to the earth, to rule and reign with Him.
                    Also, when Yeshua showed Thomas His open wounds, had He at that time, fully ascended to the Father yet?

                    Just tossing some additional thoughts into the topic.
                    Be Blessed

                    • Hello Alienated, how you doing?

                      Yes, I had already addressed that verse in regards to “We know not what we shall be,” but I also believe that the same body that Jesus resurrected in, which was his own, though a glorifyied body, will still be flesh and bone just as he revealed. In other words I don’t believe that there was a further change in his body makeup after he showed himself to his disciples and that he will return in the same body. Though it is flesh and bone as he said, yet oblviously he was able to appear inside the locked house. Corporeal yet uncorporeal if you will. It is also referred to as a spiritual body, but corporeal. I believe that we will will have the same heavenly charateristices and will be able to perfom things that we currently cannot do in these bodies of flesh and bone.

                      Therefore, if we look at all of the Scriptures we can get somewhat of idea of what our resurrected bodies will be like:

                      * Jesus after his resurrection: Look, it is I myself. Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.

                      (So after his resurrection, his body had flesh and bone)

                      * Jesus was able to appear behind locked doors.

                      (His body of flesh and bone did not hinder him from performing
                      spiritual abilities)

                      * We know not what we shall be, but we know that when we see him
                      we shall be like him. (See number 1)

                      * Just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. (See number 1)

                      * For in the resurrection they shall be like the angels in heaven.
                      (See number 1)

                      * The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable

                      * It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory.

                      * It is sown in weaknes, it is raised in power.

                      * Just as we have been persiable, we shall be imperisable;

                      * Just as we have been mortal, we shall be clothed with immortality

                • That is good. Thankyou but what does this mean then?

                  “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”

                  • Hi Steve,

                    You asked:
                    “That is good. Thankyou but what does this mean then?

                    “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”

                    The Scripture above was a warning from Jesus in regards to the false Messiah’s that would appear in the last days and speafically regarding that one antichrist also called the beast who is to come. Jesus is saying that the way in which his followers would be able to tell him from the false Messiah’s was by the way in which he would return to the earth. His warning is that if anyone comes saying that the Messiah is out in the desert, don’t go look. Or if they say that he is in a secret or inner room, don’t believe them. He then says, this is how you will know when I, the true Messiah will come. Just as the lightning that flashes in the east and can also be seen in the west, so also shall the coming of the Son of Man be. In other words, the coming of the Lord will be a world stopping event that will be observed by the whole world. No one will have to guess or be told by his neighbor that the Lord has come, because they will all witness it. In regards to his coming, the word of God also states the following:

                    “Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.. So shall it be! Amen.”

                    So you see, when the Lord returns to the earth at the end of the age, it will be a main event and visible to all who are on the earth. And therefore, if any comes claiming to be the Messiah and doesn’t come in the same way that Jesus described that he would, then we know that person(s) are imposter.

                    Now in regards to the following phrase:

                    “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”

                    The verses that you asked about have to do with his return to the earth which is the end of the age. Within that time period he also stated that from the time that the abomination of desolation was set up would be a time of great distress such as the world has never seen from the beginning, until now or shall ever be. Regarding the verse above, just prior to Jesus return, an angel will be gathering all of the birds of the air to what is called, “The great supper of God.” Revelation 19:11-21 is a description of the Lord’s return, where Revelation 19:17-18 is a description of the gathering of all those birds (vultures).

                    When the Lord returns, he has the beast and the false prophet taken and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Hell) and then all of those kings, their generals, their armies and all who will have been brought there to Armageddon will be killed by the double-edged sword that comes out the mouth of the Lord, which is symolic for the word of God and all those people will fall dead where they stand. Then those birds that will have been previously called will gorge themselves on their flesh as described in Revelation 19:21. This is the event that Jesus was alluding to when he said: “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.” He was referring to what is going to happen to all those people at his return.

                    I hope that this has helped to answer your question. I would suggest reading those verses that I listed so that you can see for yourself.

                  • Again thankyou. Well it at least appears that I won’t miss it then. I suspect as you point out thepassage means He will come like lightning not as ‘a carcass’. This I suggest means that the false messiahs will come in the flesh (carcass) and vultures will gather around them and feed from their words. Is this not correct?

                    • Hello again Steve,

                      Not exactly. At the end of the age Jesus will be arriving in the same body that he resurrected in and everyone will see him like when lightning flashes in one place and yet is also seen in another. The reference to “Wherever there is a carcass there will the vultures gather” will envolve the kings, their generals, their armies and everyone who will have worshipped the beast, his image and had received his mark. Basically everyone who rejected Christ, including those false prophets and false Messiah’s will be killed by Christ when he returns by the double-edged sword that procedes from his mouth, which is symbolism for the spoken word of God.

                • That is a warning not to be deceived by false christs or messiahs.

                  Jesus will appear in the eastern sky over Jerusalem when he returns.

                  He is returning at the battle of Armageddon, when there will be many deaths, and the bodies will be food for vultures., who will do the celan up work.

  18. Good guy, the RFID chip is the TOOL that they will use to enforce the entire “666” system which goes about 5 layers deep.

    I have been in ICT and finance ever since 1982 and absolutely know what I am talking about. Get full insight in how these systems work – right here in Cape Town is an office from where a few thousand hard drives on global networks are being managed as one singe drive on that computer! You will NOT be able to buy/sell without it AND it causes aggressive cancers as predicted in Revelation.

    Good Guy, do NOT PICK A FIGHT WITH ME ON THIS!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANOTHER SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN TO PREACH FALSENESS IN UTTER IGNORANCE!!!!

    YOU ARE AIDING THE ANTICHRIST HERE!!! DON’T EXPECT ME TO BE NICE WHEN YOU DO THAT!!! EACH AND EVERY TRUE IT PRO WILL AGREE WITH ME – AS DID A SEASONED SYSTEMS ARCHITECT WITH 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN DEVELOPING SYSTEMS FOR THE TOP 10 COMPANIES IN THE WORLD!!! Where were you in **1977** when I already knew this????

    • good guy has his opinion too. do not blast people. no one is perfect here.

      • Marianne, you are right BUT he was the one who asked that others don’t fight him and he did say that his opinion was not of knowledge. The thing here, Marianne, is that many like him teach others that this biometric ID system is safe and not part of 666. In so doing, they may be convincing reborn children to accept the mark, with obvious disastrous results. In this case, I deem my ire as a Holy anger at someone who comes in the flesh and deceive His people. When I don’t know what I am talking about, I shut up and listen what others say, test it in my quiet time with Him and ask His perspective on it.

        Speculation and own opinion can be fatal when we are dealing with the 666. 666 has many layers of which the electronic media is the topmost one, with Satan as the foundation below, sandwiching in between monetary systems, political power, etc. To say that the RFID/biometrics has no part in this is heresy. On almost any other subject I will be accommodating but certainly not in this.

        As someone sent as a messenger amongst a rebellious people, God had made my forehead very hard and it shows when I am dealing with people proclaiming deception and false teaching that could be eternally fatal. I think that the situation warrants my fiery passion.

      • I am.

    • I should not pick a fight with you?

      Really?

      I’m the one looking to pick the fights here?

      I quoted the bible (Rev 12:1, 13:18) so that anyone who thinks otherwise can use these passages to explain himself or herself.

      I don’t think we should kick against something simply because it is tagged 666. It might be right, it might be wrong, but before we make any judgement calls, we should at least be sure that the bible agrees with this call. All I’ve been trying to do is to show you that the bible has said nothing against the use of chips for buying and selling, so I don’t think your view to this 666 system is justified. I’m not from south africa, and if i were, i would not support any 666 system of any sort because of the ideas it brings to my mind. I however would not kick against it just because of its ‘wild’ label.

      And just for the record, I was giving an opinion on the nature of God. This is a completely unrelated topic, and I’m simply stating the facts before me, no speculations, no own opinions!!!

  19. At this time the chip as 666 is still theory, and not established. There are other possibilities and interpretations of 666 also.

    We can use technology now without worshiping anyone, and 666 is a mark or sign of worshiping the beast.

    We should just consider the possibilities and proceed with caution.

    • True Marianne, but without bringing the subdermal chip technology as the device to be used, we can determine the following:

      1. A mark is going to be put into the right hand or forehead of the indivdual

      2. Without this mark no one will be able to buy or sell.

      3. For the last several years they have been developing and manufacturing subdermal (under the skin) computer chips for many uses including performing financial transactions.

      4. Once the Point of Sale (POS) system came into being, the world shifted their choice of making purchases from cash and check to using electonic payment via debit card.

      5. With the observance of all of this over the last 30 or so years, we can see what is coming next and that being that someting is going to replace the debit card for performing the same financial transactions that are being performed today via the debit card. It was necessary that this technology must work its way up until that antichrist is revealed and then everything will already be in place.

      So, whatever anyone wants to invision the mark to be, we know that it will go in either the right hand or the forhead and that unless anyone receives it they will not be able to buy or sell. This means that without it, an individual will not be able to pay his mortgage, buy food, buy gas, pay bills or even have a bank account or a job. And that because, whatever device this mark is, it will be the key which will allow people to credit and debit their bank accounts. And with the other financial methods made obsolete, then a person would only have one choice for being able to continue to perform activity on their bank account, which would be by receiving the mark. Think of the mark as miniture debit card, but that can also be used to credit and individuals account. That is why regarding the time period of the beast and his mark the word of God says, “This calls for the patient endurance on the part of the saints.” And that because by refusing to worship him and receive his mark, they will be his and the worlds enemies and will be persecuted and put to death.

    • Marianne!! You are SO WRONG! It is in IN USE already!

      Wake up!!!

      • yes it is in use….but the chip itself is limited in use….

        right now, credit cards are what predominates. and they can be used without sacrificing one’s salvation.

  20. I cann’t help but agree with something internet elias said about the type of things allowed on this site.

    Ideally, this site should be a site where the word of God is exclusively discussed to gain better understanding. So far, all i see are people with biased and foriegn opinions from all sort of sources outside the bible, trying to impose their thoughts on others. There are only a few people here that know what they are doing. I’ve gotten a good deal of offensive remarks from a particular fellow on this site. I don’t think I have to take that from anyone cos that’s not why I’m here. If we are all children of God, where does this spirit of fighting and insulting then come from?

    There are two kinds of people; people who eventually know the truth, and people who don’t.

    At the end, the important thing is that we all know the truth …

    • good guy

      yes we are all allowed to discuss the word of god here….but it does not extend liberty to make personal judgments of others.

      unfortunately, there will be times when a critical personality comes, and makes it hard. that person will need to learn to lose the critical spirit, or get confronted.

      I think the words used reflect the true spirit of the person…..and leaving the comments sometimes helps to act as a mirror to show the negativity and reveal it….

      I have suggested that negative remarks cease…let us see what happens next.

      I think you have presented your side well enough….since we are all exploring our opinions, I am not as concerned with correctness as with how we explain and defend our position. some truths are above our heads anyhow. or not revealed yet.

      I encourage you to continue and put on your armor of god, and not worry about the darts of others….I am watching the conversations, and you will see I have already given a few warnings.

      be blessed….

  21. Don & Pieter’s comments about 666.

    I think now the IT technology is ready to implement , unic world wide ID to each person in this world and plant verichip to every human beings.
    To implement this, 666 is a man (Anti Christ(called by Christians) / Dudjal(called by Muslims)) will appear soon , if Jesus 2nd coming is at hand.
    He will goto distroy Israel, Then Jesus will come according to Bible.
    Those who have wisdom, can identify 666 man.
    May he come out from Middle east soon ???

    If we have to face this man’s regime, He will force us to plant a chip or latest technology to our Face or Right Hand. To buy or sell , you need this.

    So , tell us how can you buy food, without this ??? or die ???

    Happy Christmas to all ! (Jesus 1st coming celibrations in the world)

    2nd coming is at hand ????

    May God Bless You all !
    to have widom to identify 666 last Global king
    as nostradamus says ‘MABUSH’ like Nepolean and Hitler.

    • hi sunimal

      this is the first time this has occured to me…but MABUSH looks like a combination of Obama + Bush. I looked it up and found others noticed that also.

      in hebrew, mabush actually means “genitals” so this should be a real revelation.

      I think the word was actually mabus…not mabush…..

      According to some, the death of one known as “Mabus” will herald some cataclysmic event. The actual mention of Mabus is restricted to C2, Q62 where we see Mabus described:

      ‘Mabus’ then will soon die, there will come
      Of people and beasts a horrible rout:
      Then suddenly one will see vengeance,
      Hundred, hand, thirst, hunger when the comet will run.

      Until the antichrist is revealed, which will for sure when he commits the abomination of desolation, we will all still be guessing.

      Merry Christmas to you also.

      • Hi Marianne,

        I might add that, this same antichrist who will set up the abomination is the same one who will make his covenant with many for that seven year period. It is in the middle of that seven that he sets up that abomination. So, the world could actually know who he was from the beginning of the seven. Also, not only would the world know him because of the abomination, but also because he will be proclaiming himself to be God with the false prophet performing miracles, signs and wonders for the purpose of giving credibility to the beast. Furthermore, the saints of that time would know this beast because of the deadly wound he receives but lives.

  22. Pieter

    Are you called of God to preach the good news. You are in a bad place and before I close my remarks I am going to pray for you and your family. God is real as we know. Prayer travels with the path God gives it and it gets answered as it is received. Some times the things God puts in place for us
    can take seconds, minutes or days to be seen.

    We know it is not that he did not answer but that the enemy has hendered the prayers answer. I am referring to Daniel. The Angel told him that God basically dispatched him immediately but the angel of persia with stood him.

    God is with you because he promised.

    My heart goes out to you as you are living the things spoken of by the LORD in the bible during the last days.

    Many preach milk because it is what they know, others recieved a spirit of fear but we know that God is the answer to all things. People need meat in these days especailly and it sounds like you have good knowledge of the word. Have they taken your bibles away?

    I feel the Holy Ghost telling me to tell you to Encourage your family and yourself and other believers with the word.

    It is the another way that Gods word can be used. The enemy uses vain imaginations to bring demonic conflict. But encouraging the mind, the hearts ears is watering the soul and the seeds we speak with out mouth. His word is life!! It knows no boundaries or time but the parts that you use. Remeber to speak that “no weapon formed against you and your family will prosper of any kind, speak all of the blessing God gave us in the old testament, he is the rock and he is your fortress and him can you trust, ask to be hidden all of you in his wings and that the eye of naked man not discern or have desire to find you. Demonic attacks are real but the power of the sword is far, far greater. I am speaking from experience the word will bring you out and will lift your heart to laugh and will give you thoughts and words to pray to praise the Heavenely Father and all he has provided. You are good soli so sew the seed back in you over and over again and water it.
    When it is watered it keeps it a live in you all parts of all of you, it is life, ie it allows you to prosper, be in good health, comforted.

    One man who came from that area to the states spoke at our church and he spoke about a similar thing and they got out and into the usa. He said they were hungry they prayed and God sent a posionous snake in the area they killed it and ate and then they were able to escape.

    You have had some horrible things happen and he knows, as he goes through the fire and the flood with us. Be encouraged and be of good chair and take the sword of the spirit and cut the head off of the demons spirits coming at you. God was with the children in the firey furnace and he is with you.

    Maybe you are also being called to preach the word and teach others. But what ever you do don’t give up. I have prayed for you. I love the Lord and I recently lost my husband and I am a dreamer and a prayer warrior for the Lord. He loves you. I would ask all who come here to keep this young man and all of his family up under prayer. As we are living free and have more ability to pray.

    Be blessed in that place of safety under his wings

    • Pattiefarm, you have said a few things only the HS could have revealed and you are right in every aspect!

      The church won’t take our Bibles away but they will teach untruth from theirs. That radio station in Cape Town is SO bad that even secular members of the public wrote letters to the press about them. The main presenter of youth music flashes Satanist salutes wherever he goes!

      No, the persecutors are disguised as holy people oozing with honey and lavender but are vile inside.

      I will be turning 50 on Monday, have had strokes before that had affected my speech (which my opponents celebrate) and short term memory, yet I passed Bible school and received my qualification two weeks ago, and I scored in the high nineties.

      In the past, I have passed many IT courses with flying colours but never learnt anything new that wasn’t taught by God to me beforehand!

      When dealing with Xians, it is evident that most are 2-year olds who got stuck at the stage of “I can do it myself” and throwing tantrums when opposed. There is one way dealing with little rebellious children and that is to smack the bum very hard; even James Dobson agrees to that!

      • Don’t you ever lay a hand to harm a child, not ever.

        2 year olds are wise old souls in little bodies that are doing their utmost to communicate their requirements the best way that they know how. Food is the only weapon that has a child has. Hence, why eating disorders become a reality. Xians usually have that eating disorder because they ate a book instead of rely completely in the LORD and his divine plan for humanity.

        They were told the books were sealed until the end by Prophet Daniel and Prophet Isaiah predicted that the LORD would make nonsense of what the men had written. Isaiah 44.

        Matthew 24 even tells them one person will be saved and they are to give their testimony, it is this testimony that is to be shared with the world.

        “The one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached to the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. ”

        Clearly, he was not talking about the bible in that passage. He is talking about a personal testimony of one person. Prophet Micah also mentions the ‘Kingdom of the Daughter of Jerusalem (Micah 4;8)’ and in both Micah 4 and Rev 12 she is rescued by the LORD. The rescue is also mentioned in Psalm 18. The timeline of Rev 12 overlaps with Micah 4, and Micah 4 mentions Babylon, USA.

        The Hebrew word for kingdom in that text is ‘Mamlakah’ Strongs no 4467 and it can mean reign. It comes from the root word ‘Malak’ and it can mean to become king or queen. It mentions the word ‘preach’ in that passage. However, the original word in Greek is ‘Kerruso’, and it means to be a herald.

        It is formal and to do with divine authority. Prophet Habakkuk also spoke about the herald that would come at the appointed time and run with the prophecy e.g. a commentary to explain it. The Dead Sea Scrolls also speaks of the interpreter, and Joseph was a divine interpreter. In the book of Timothy, Paul claims to be the herald, he also claims to be the true and faithful teacher. However, the Harp of Faithfulness predicted by King David was not predicted to come until the night time. e.g. the last days of the end times.

        So why does he specifically mention one who is saved, one who stands firm until the end? The scriptures tell you that she is rescued by the LORD and it is do with the will of the LORD as instructed.

        Prophet Ezekiel also speaks of it. “Since they heard the sound of the trumpet but did not heed the warning, their blood will be on their own head. If they had heeded the warning, they would have saved themselves.” Ezekiel 33:5 “And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.” Joel 2:32

        How many were called? How many heard the call? Many are called but few are chosen.

        http://academysounds.blogspot.com/2011/12/matt-24-nuclear-reactors.html

    • Hi Pattiefarm, you are welcome at http://www.facebook.com/gzizfreak or gziz.frique@gmail.com

  23. GodGuy, Marianne, I gave my life to Jesus Christ on February 10, 1985 and knew nothing about finance at the time. By the morning of February 12, I woke up filled with a total understanding of the world’s monetary system. I am called to do a few things: one is to provide manna to His nation in the last days and another is to warn about the 666. Even before I got truly saved, as from 1977, HE had been teaching me on this. There is no guesswork here and, for the record, even the unsaved knows what is going on, so any supposed Christian who calls it guesswork is either very ignorant, too lazy to read or very, very daft.

    The first Mac even was sold at $666 and Apple has been an eager sponsor of Satanist events ever since.

    I have attended endless seminars in the IT world, all which taught me nothing knew but just confirmed what GOD hat taught me in the first place. The beast that rises from the sea (and that cannot speak by itself but had been given the ability to) is ten wordlwide network of optical cable that brings data including SPEECH to the masses. If no audio or video was required, we would not have needed these enormously capable cables. Without the Internet and the ENFORCED biometric access, we will NOT be able to buy/sell. Anyone not seeing this lives in La La Lan with Winnie the Pooh.

    And may God NEVER remove from His sight the sin of ANYONE condoning, supporting or promoting this EVIL system!

  24. Marianne, is it you who had said this? Regardless, thanks!

    THIS is part of my SPECIFIC calling – and it is passion for His people that you are witnessing, especially for the young who gets led astray, straight into hell, by the long-in-the-tooth Xians who lull in ever warming water. Laziness and complacency. Because they have rejected His timeous teaching, He will reject them when the time comes.

    When we go into the wilderness hide-out, there will be a handful. Remember the dream at dusk and the floods? Only a pretty few will be saved and the other will die by the sword during the tribulation.

    God also showed me this about America and I understand it to be symbolic, not literal:

    – Two tectonic plates colliding coming together from the west and the east coasts.
    – Collision just off-centre, to the right, straight down from Chicago to the Gulf
    – It creates an insurmountable mountain rage in between, but even that has a deep valley in between.
    – Underneath the entire USA is a lake of molten lava

    Those who have known me for long enough will know that I have journals filled with hundreds of these dreams, most of which had become true already. That is the PROOF of my legitimacy.

    All I say is this: those who thing it is time to still argue, FORGET your own opinion and, for the sake of HIS children, run with what I have said above and teach t5hose around you. In His love, He sent me to you. In your collective obstinacy, I get rejected just as HE said would happen and that is why HE had made me a brazen man! Read about Ezra, Nehemiah, Ezekiel and you will understand, esp Ez 33.

    • pieter

      I have heard other reports about the earth changes as the birth pains get worse, waiting for messiah. I pray that God spares the righteous who trust in him, for many will experience harm.

  25. pieter

    EVERYTHING makes sense, be careful.

  26. The TRUE JEW is he with a circumcised heart, the TRUE JEW is a reborn Christian who obeys God. That is His chosen nation.

  27. I am laying hand here upon a few obstinate spiritual 2-year olds and you will not tell me not to do it. I have my mandate from God to warn against this mark and He had taken me on a route of expertise. Ever since 1982, I have been exposed to ICT and, since the impartation of knowledge in 1985, I have also been trained by some of the best IT specialists in this world. One such person was the head of security on the largest IBM mainframe in Africa – he taught IT security to professionals from all continents, right here in Cape Town.

    I am not sharing an OPINION as I don’t deal in that. As I am a seasoned forensic auditor as well, I deal with facts and evidence and NEVER share an OPINION. If I don’t know what I am talking about, I shut my trap and listen to what the big people are saying so that I can learn.

    Some people need to be plucked from the fire by force – that is Biblical truth just a few yards before you get to Revelation. The problem is that people on this forum spill opinionated guts without knowing the subject.

    Leave OPINION to politicians – and see why they fail to be who they promised to be. It is because they also never have their facts correct. FACT is what matters and we are dealing here with a practical issue which is very simple and easy to understand, once Bias had been kicked out the back door.

    The obstinacy and rebelliousness of His children must be tearing His great heart apart. Biblical teaching on this is literal, practical and total. No need to look for an epiphany – use common sense but then…….few seem to have it. It is because people live in the virtual worlds created by churches, TV channels, the ball game, soapies, pornography, etc. Nobody knows what is going on in REAL life.

    Finally – why does a man at the tip of the darkest of all continents have so much general knowledge, many times insight superior to educated professionals in the First World? The answer to that is found in Job 32:1-9. Does that look familiar?

  28. “I am laying hand here upon a few obstinate spiritual 2-year olds and you will not tell me not to do it.”

    When did Jesus ‘lay his hand’ upon a few obstinate spiritual 2year olds other than peacefully?

    “I have my mandate from God ”

    Well you have your mandate from somewhere!

    “why does a man at the tip of the darkest of all continents have so much general knowledge, many times insight superior to educated professionals”

    Maybe he just THINKS he has.

    EVERYTHING makes sense. Be careful.

  29. Your rosy pink pacifist Jesus whipped YOUR KIND out of the temple, cursed Peter calling him Satan! And he said the temple is a den of vipers. Paul cursed Alexander the coppersmith and Ezrah cursed the likes of you and pulled them by their hair. Dhow me a sissy prophet and I show you a fake!

    • I meant “show” and not “dhow.” Strangely, when dealing with the unsaved and also with TRUE Xians, I never get cross and all is rather amiable. Dealing with the stubborn and the obstinate, of course, is different.

      I have had my say…..I kick the dust off my feet and depart to a place where Jesus Christ, our Everlasting Father, is truly worshipped and where the wise gather at His feet, not looking for a trio to worship.

      Oh, and I am used to some of the types here – are you all from Cape Town? I think I have seen some in church…..

      Bye!!

      • What is Xians?

        You do not read like a prophet. The tone in which you write is one of self grandure.

        It the chip is going to be the mark of the Anti-Christ, it is in G-d’s hands. Also, G-d will allow it, or not allow it as the Bible reads.

        Just do not swear an oath to the Anti-Christ, and repent of your sins in Christ’s name.

    • Our kind is sincerely seeking the truth in love and kindness.

    • Hi Pieter,

      First of all, Yeshua did not curse Peter..it was a concerned rebuke! Essentially, Peter’s motives were sincere..the thrust of his life was going in the right direction..there was an innocence about his failings. Children too, have that same kind of innocence, who are best chastised with a concerned rebuke..especially in those tender years. Yes, I agree as a last resort after all else fails, physical chastisement is sometimes necessary. I have three daughters (all adults now..two are married), and we very seldom ever used physical chastisement unless the wrong they did was extreme..even then it was more of a hefty tap in most cases. I have to say (and I speak for my wife as well) our kids are warm and kind, and never got into trouble of any kind.

      Just as the High Priest, in Old Testament times wore the breast plate close to his heart, with the names of the twelve tribes written on it, so are the names of all those for whom Yeshua prayed and continues to pray for, who are written on his heart. More often than not, prayer to problems is the answer, and to get the kids to pray with you will help them to trust in YHVH, and His Messenger..Yeshua.

      Going back to Peter again, and how Yeshua cared for him..Lk 22: 31-32 “And the Lord said, Simon,Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strenghten thy brethren”.

      Finally, YHVH has forgiven us our trespasses/sins..conditional..in that we forgive others their trespasses/sins against us. We need to build that message into the minds of our children, and the best way is by example. YHVH desires mercy over judgement.

  30. Cursing seems from the bible to be acceptable, just not hitting.

    What are “TRUE Xians” ??

  31. Those who are not believers.
    Those who are not club members.
    Rather, those who make it their priority to die to their own will and only go where He leads, on a moment-to-moment basis. Those who don’t subscribe to man’s traditions and beliefs but who follows His guidance and who ONLY seek to obey His will. Too many folks believe but follow their own ideas, as clearly displayed above.

    For the record, I ONLY get angry when “Christian” people are obstinate and become a threat to His kingdom and His children. It irks me endlessly as it depicts the rebellion of Satan, following its course. I am deeply concerned about people not getting informed about the TRUTH and, when dealing with this stark reality, there is no need for anyone to voice an OPINION, please. It is time to take notice and learn, then to also go and warn others.

    Obviously, some here are the same types I find here, who will kill the messenger because they don’t want their false peace disturbed.

    We cannot reason away reality. This is not a topic for discussion but rather a warning cry to say the building is on fire. yet we get clever discussions about thermodynamics and the virtue of water hoses whilst the walls and roof are about to cave in upon all, so to speak!

  32. http://www.christianpost.com/news/real-christian-churches-in-us-forced-to-go-underground-soon-64235/

  33. Thanks Gziz Frique.

    And here is a wayout question. Do ‘real’ Christians believe that Christ will return ‘in the flesh’? Seems an arbitrary question I know.

    • Hello again Steve,

      To anser your question below:

      “Do ‘real’ Christians believe that Christ will return ‘in the flesh?’

      He was resurrected in the flesh and then later ascended to the right hand of the Father where he is always making intercession for those who believe in him. It was necessary for him to become flesh in order to be our kinsman redeemer, that is, he had to be one of us in order to be able to redeem us. The verse below is a good proof that he was flesh after he resurrected:

      “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

      Jesus told the above to his disciples behind locked doors after he had resurrected from the dead, so, yes, he did resurrect in the same body that he was buried in. He even had the nail marks in his hands and and the spear gash as proof that it was him. In fact, the word translated for “Resurrection” is the Greek word “Anstasis” which means to “Stand up again.” When we are resurrected or caught up, it will also be in these same bodies that we are in now except that they will be upgraded from mortal to immortal, from a decayable body to an indecable one, to a body sown in weakness to one raised in power. Just as we have born the image of the earthly, so we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

      I hope this sheds some light on the subject.

  34. “Arbitrary” means deciding upon your own, or without authorisation. Yet the question is acutely relevant as the basis of true Christian faith includes the return of Jesus Christ in the flesh.

    Theologians at theological colleges (universities) in my country question the “historical existencivity” of Jesus Christ. You see, they create word to polish their unbelief. Right now, there us a huge argument in some papers whether it is right to help fellow needy Christians. Another argument is that practising gays should be allowed as ministers.

    The Bible teaches to help needy brethren, especially those within your own sphere, before reaching out to others.

    It also teaches not to even eat with any one who is greedy, slanderous, promiscuous, etc. (1 Cor 5:9-12) How many adulterous heterosexual pastors, divorced ones, dishonest ones are on pulpits, going unchecked and even defended, contrary to the Word? How many Protestant paedophiles are there, on pulpits? Do we expel them as taught by the Bible? No, they get protected while jokes about Catholic priests go around via email/text messages and all participate.

    Also, I have yet to see the church where the conflict procedure of Jesus as in Matt 18:15 and beyond, is observed and obeyed.

    Once I see Xians do as the Bible teaches, also to refrain from keeping Jewish laws, placing others in bondage despite what Jesus did, I will start having faith in their beliefs. Acts 15 seemingly gets overlooked so easily, as does Gal 4 and Col 2.

  35. I ask because of this

    “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”

  36. To all who care about Gods’ children and his plan

    Newt Gingrich : I just heard he said last night that Palestine people did not ever exsist in history. He said they are the Ottoman group and therefore have no rights.

    Praise God I love to hear those who have a public voice speak up to the word of God and true history.

  37. Sunimal and Marianne

    Is the name Malbush or are you a Kabbalist? Are you speaking of the hebrew book of kabbalah, teachings of Rashi. In Hebrew malbush designates the transormation that every spiritual enity undergoes a transformation when descending to the nether worlds in order to reveal itself to men. This is also the case with the angels, like Elijah, who according to the doctrine of Sefer ha-Meshiv, must use a garment when he descends into our world according to the teachings.

    You are speaking of Napolean and Hitler, so are you saying this is an evil spirit, more specifically Lucifer returning as the dragon with a cloak to cover himself as something above a dog when he is a dog.

    Elijah is coming back to earth as one of the two witnesses and if he will need a special garment who knows, only God or those he reveal it to.

    The dragon is well documented in the Bible in Revelations.

    I noticed you read alot about mystic things ie Nostradomis ( Not sure of spelling). But I will say God wants us to follow the Bible and those who follow after things which speak differently than the word of God should not be handled. We are not to seek after knowledge coming from channeler or mediums or the likes.

    I encourage you to read the word of God as it contains all of the answers you will need or those which it does not give in specifics to you and your life will be given as God has a desire to reveal.

    Studying kabbalah has become craze in our nation by everyone including hollywood, many evil people take words God gave to a group of men who
    were in the worship of him and higher learning of him and think it is a toy for all of our minds and I don’t think it is true. Not that I think that Kabbalah is evil but in the wrong hands and the mind that has not the covering of God to prevent misunderstandings it is dangerous. The enemy forces may think you are seeking after them instead of higher knowledge. Does that make since.

  38. I just want to be sure to say I am not a person who reads or studies Kabbalah. The information I shared above is from the internet researching the word.

    I do also think that there are two kabbalahas’ , the other being Quballaha
    (not sure of the spelling0. The one I know is some form of evil information of serving the enemy and doing evil to others.

    That type of information is not something any of us would like or wish to be involved in. So please don’t think I was unjust or trying to be unkind to
    Sunimal. I was trying to encourage her to the word of God and just indicating that picking up things not of God can cause grave dangers.

    I am not speaking evil of anyone but if we do as God commands us we
    love our neighbor as ourselves. I would hate to see this young lady or
    anyone fall into the trap of the enemy.

    Marianne I just wanted to provide you with the information as well.

  39. I came in love and peace but was mocked in an unloving and unkind way by a self-proclaimed ignorant. Now that is the love and kindness YOU subscribe to. I will not be stepped upon by anyone and I will not accept his conduct as Christian. I have all the right to blow him out of the water and I did so to show leadership in expelling a troublemaker. Jesus did not come to coddle; He said it Himself. Subscribe to your fake, one-sided “loving” Christianity that doesn’t work both ways but only to protect yourself. Selfish. Unloving. Unkind. Fake. False.

  40. Hi Marianne, it’s me again. Sorry it took me so long, been super busy🙂 Busy is good though, it means I’m blessed! Back to what the Spirit has been showing me through the OT how God judges. We are in fact hard-wired to be judged in the sense that science has proven for instance, the more often you lie, certain nueron pathways are activated and the more often you lie, the more often the pathways are activated until it becomes the brains’ natural response to “choose” that pathway first, the truth gets harder and harder to tell. The same goes with pornography, addiction/alcoholism and so forth. Studying, I have become thoroughly convinced that gambling, pornagaphy and drug addiction is nothing more than idolatry in which God has turned them over to their “god”. Read the OT, He promised to turn over the Israelites on more than one ocaission and “let thier idols rule them” hence the addiction. He is not a tame lion, he hard-wired us to become addicted if we in fact remained in a sin long enough.

    If I can back up for a minute, an old theologian whose name escapes me once said “if you can keep the first commandment (thou shall have no other gods before me;idolatry) the rest are easy”, Martin Luther said “the heart is a continual idol factory”. Looking through the OT, the nation of Israel is continually committing idolatry and subsequently being judged for it.

    We are in a constant state of worshipping SOMETHING, sadly most of the time it is not God.

    The definition of idol that I use in my own life is: What ever my thoughts turn to in my free time and where my time, energy and resources go. Idols can be sneaky…. Emotional pain can be an idol if we let the threat of more pain rule our lives. Money, pain, entertainment, sex or leadership/power while all innocent by themselves can become idols if we let them. I’ve also pondered the self-centered person, the controlling person-they have set themselves on God’s throne and we all know what happens if we don’t give them the worship they think they deserve but rightly belongs to God.

    Back to judgement, or what I call “passive judgement”. God judges the nation of Israel corporately most of the time. God will in fact send a delusion/lie for the depraved mind to embrace. Good rulers replaced with poor rulers( Yeah, I think we’re there) is part of God’s judgement, hardened hearts, blind eyes, deaf ears are all a part of God’s judgement in addition to “subrational blindness” where the person under judgement can’t even see how stupidly/irrationally they are behaving. ( I think we all know one of these people?) Also, in my studies the most dangerous thing God can do to us is just leave us to ourselves. At some point He tells us, “Fine, you want to serve ______? You can and let your “god” save you, I will turn you over to your “god” “. One final note, I’ve seen studies that say 70% of all pastors view pornography at least once a month, these are our leaders and no man can serve two masters. We are in a really bad place….

  41. Hi Don,

    There was nowhere to reply to you above.

    I’m good thanks. I pray that you are well also.

    Well perhaps then, when Yeshua was resurrected, His glorified body was the same, or comparable with the angels?
    Comprised of flesh and bone, yet still capable of performing feats that would defy the laws of natural physics.
    Spiritual yet able to manifest physically as well?

    Whatever the case, I can’t wait.
    I don’t think that I could get more than a $1.98 for this old carcass.🙂

    Be Blessed

  42. Hi Steve,

    “Comprised of flesh and bone? I suspect not. Importantly no carcass.”

    Could you be more specific regarding the response ubove?

    Thanks

  43. Don

    I think you are over thinking this passage
    ““So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”

    It is ‘merely’ a warning to beware the false messiahs/prophets that will come in the end times that will be ‘of the flesh’. ie He will NOT come in the flesh. He will be seen all over the world.

    • Hi Steve,

      First of all, I was not using that particular Scripure that you mentioned above as proof of him coming in the flesh. One of the problems that I find when people interpret the word of God is that, they adopt one side of an issue and then they circumvent to rest of the Scrptures that point to the opposite conclusion.

      The proper way to come to any conclusion would be to read all of Scriptures that have to do with any given issue and take them all into consideration. That being said, tell me what conclusion that come to when you read the following verse:

      “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

      As I said, the verse above took place after Jesus resurrected and appeared in the house behind locked doors and was trying to comfort his disciples who when they saw him thought that he was a ghost. Therefore, since Jesus himself is using the fact that he has flesh and bone and this after the resurrection, then my conclusion is that, even though his resurrected body has flesh and bone, it was also able to perform spiritual functions. One thing is true and that is that we cannot deny what Jesus said in regards to having flesh and bone, would you not agree?

      Futhermore, since there is no other Scripture that would suggest that Jesus went through another transformation regarding his physical or spiritul makeup, then we must conclude that he is still in the same body that he resurrected in and which he will also be coming back in.

      All that being said, I believe that when he comes and is seen by all like the lightning that shines in the east and also is seen in the west, that he will be in that same spiritual body of flesh and bone that he resurrected in. Otherwise, my question to you would be, what are you going to do with the verse that I posted above? Believe it or circumvent it?

  44. When He is risen he has no flesh or blood. “”Touch me not, for I have not yet risen to my Heavenly Father.” There he receives a new form. It is probably this new ‘risen’ form that will return. This is why He warns of the false messiahs coming in ‘carcasses’ ie flesh and blood.

    • Steve,

      What you have written above is speculation on your part, for there is nothing in the verse that specifically says that Jesus is going to change once he goes back to the Father. Also, regarding what Jesus said: “Wherever there is a dead body, there will the vultures gaher,” he is speaking about that event in Revelaton 19:17-18 where that angel calls all of birds to gather together for the great supper of God to eat the flesh of all the people who will have been previously gathered there.

  45. and the flesh of ALL people, free and slave, great and small.”

    Thanks dmcal but is this not indicating the flesh of ALL people and not just unbelievers. Ie the end of flesh?

    • I can only conclude that this is AFTER the rapture of believers and that the only flesh and blood on earth at this time are unbelievers. Which begs the question… why would Jesus warn the disciples of the time of false Messiahs coming at a time after the rapture? ie at a time when all remaining flesh (non believers) is destroyed. That doesn’t make sense, so I conclude that the ‘vultures’ occur before the rapture when the false prophets are on earth with believers and the ‘birds of the angel of the sun’ rev 19 occurs after the rapture when all remaining flesh is destroyed. ie not the same birds. Where does this lead.. well it implies that false messiahs will be of the flesh which in turn implies that the true second coming will not be of the flesh.

    • Hi Steve,

      In answer to your question, those people who will be killed at the end of the age by the double-edged sword, will be all who cause sin and do evil. At the end of the age, when Jesus physically returns to the earth, he has the beast and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire. After that, all of the kings, their generals, princes and their armies will have priviously been gathered at Armageddon to make war against Jesus and his hevenly army (Us). At the same time, angels will be going throughout the earth collecting all those who have done evil and who have survived though the great tribulation period. Theee are the weeds (One Taken) mentioned in Mt.13:41-42 and Mt.24:38-41. Those great tribulation saints who make it through the great tribulation are the Wheat spoken of in Mt. 13:36-43. The Wheat will be those who will go into the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies and will repopulate it.

      So, only those who worship the beast, his image and who will have received his mark and who will continue to reject Jesus during that last seven year period until he comes will be killed by that double-edged sword. Those who keep their testimoy of Jesus and the word of God and who resist te beast, his image and his mark will be saved and enter into the millennial period in their mortal bodies to repopulate the earth.

      To get an understanding of what I am talking about regarding the parable of the Wheat and he Weeds, please read Mt.13:24-30 and Mt.13:36-43.

    • Hi again Steve,

      As I stated in my previous post, when Jesus returns at the end of the age, he will set up his millennial kingdom (Thousand years). During that time, those who make it through the great tribulatin period and who belong to the the Lord will enter into that millennial period along with the woman (Israel) who will have been cared for out in the wilderness for that last 3 1/2 years. Both Jew and the great tribulation saints who belong to the Lord will go into the millennial period and repopulated the earth during that time in their mortal bodies. Everyone else who will have been killed by the double-edged sword, their bodies will be eaten by the birds (vultures) and their spirits/souls will be thrown into Hades and will be there in torment in flame until the end of the thousand years. At that time they will also be resurrected and will stand at the greet white throne judgment and will be judged according to their sins with no Jesus to cover them. And anyones name not found written in the book of life will be thrown into the lak of fire. Believers are not at this judgment, for we will have already have been resurrected and judgbed prior to the millenial period by Jesus, but not for sin, but to receive reward or loss of reward, for our sins have already been forgiven. Read Revelation chapter 20.

  46. but I don’t understand this bit
    “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see”
    and
    “Touch me not, for I have not yet risen”

    any clues?

    • steve

      Jesus was saying he had not yet risen to the Father in heaven. He HAD already risen from the dead. He first went to “paradise” where the saints stayed to free them to bring to heaven. He had a physical appearance but it was not the same kind of “flesh” that you and I have.

      The vultures are for the last battle of flesh against God, and they get killed in the battle of armageddon. That is what Rev 19 is about.

      this is after the rapture, in most opinions. believers in christ are gone, but unsaved Israel is left fighting the enemy nations, until the messiah returns o earth.

      Until that battle, there is plenty of flesh on earth, whether it be good or evil people.

    • Another proof that Jesus resurrected bodily, that is, in the flesh can be seen in the following Scipture:

      “Then he said to Thomas, ‘Put you finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God.!’ ”

      Jesus was basically showing Thomas the nail prints in his hands and the spear mark in his side as proof that he had risen in the same body that he was crucified in.

      In contrast to where he is telling the women not to hold on to him, here is telling Thomas to touch him and he had still not yet acsended to the Father. Jesus is returning at the end of the age in the same body that he resurrected in. In fact, he is currently sitting at the right hand of God the Father in that same resurrected body. The bodies that we will resurrect in will be our curent bodies, but upgraded to immortal, heavenly and will have spiritual qualities.

  47. Ah. So there are two TYPES of ‘flesh’, as opposed to just flesh and not flesh?

    “The vultures are for the last battle” So why are they mentioned whilst Jesus is talking of false Messiahs, why should there be false messiahs after the rapture, surely they are already unbelivers?

    • “The vultures are for the last battle” So why are they mentioned whilst Jesus is talking of false Messiahs, why should there be false messiahs after the rapture, surely they are already unbelivers?

      The reason why the vultures (birds) are mentioned in conection with the false messiahs and false prophets is because those false prophets and false Messiah’s will be appearing towards the end of the age when Jesus retuns, namely the main false Messiah (The beast) and his false prophet. The event with the vultures (birds) is another event that will take place when Jesus returns to the earth.

  48. Do Christians, generally speaking, believe in a different Jesus? Yes, they do.

    You would never ques who proved this. It was Jesus himself.
    According to John, when His capturers came to take Him, in the Garden, and they asked who He was, He replied:
    I AM
    Ehje – אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה
    (Exo 3:14)
    And “they went backward, and fell to the ground”!

    If you believe in true Jesus, that is, in YHWH. You will also have no change of interpreting the following, as 99.99% of Christians interpret:
    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Those are the commandments Jesus gave to Moses! He had said earlier:
    Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

    Is it then no wonder, that He also said:
    Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    And saying the following, He tells us, how much He honors today’s pastors:
    Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    He, Jesus, or more rightly called, Yahushua, meaning: in YHWH alone is Salvation, knew the future. He knew how wrong His followers would go. He knew they would follow the teachings of men, just like the Jews.

    By not obeying His Commandments, we whip his back, and spill His blood. But, that is what we all do. And regardless of this, He chose to save us.

    Nevertheless as Mat 5:19 just told you, I do not want to be called the least in the Kingdom of God, and so I will tell you: Repent, and start obeying His Commandments! His yoke is so easy, and His Grace so abounding! We are obliged to do our best!

    • Hello Keksinnot and all,

      First of all, the commands that Jesus was speaking of for us to keep were the following:

      1 John 3:23 – And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another.

      If you were to infer that the commands that he is speaking about is the law of Moses, with all of its rituals, commandments, holy days and feast, then you would have to get rid of the letter to the Galatians, Romans, Hebrews and many other Scriptures that show that the law is obsolete, nailed to the cross and that we fulfill the law through Christ and not by the written code.

      1 Cor.15:56 – For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. 57But thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ.

      Where there is no law, there is no transgession. Just as in Paul’s example from marriage, we died to that husband and are therefore released form the commitment of that marriage, just as a woman is no longer obligated to her husband once he dies.

      Gal.5:4 – You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

      I follow Christ and am saved by grace throug faith and not by my works. I seek to do good works that I may glorify God and also build up my treasures in heaven. My salvation however is through his shed blood alone, for I can do nothing to earn it.

      Salvation is a free gift for all who believe in him.

    • Hi keksinnot,

      Does not the fullness of scripture have to be taken into consideration, (rather than culling out a couple of verses) to formulate a correct theology?

      To fulfill prophesy, Yeshua was a Jew that was born during, and lived under the Law.
      “But when the fulness of the time was come , God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.” Galatians 4:4,5.

      While He was here on the Earth, He responded to a question that was asked of Him by one of the Pharisees, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.” Matthew 22:37.
      Yeshua then followed up that statement by expressing the following, “This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it , Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Matthew 22:38,39,40. (Mark 12:30,31.)

      What Yeshua is basically saying within those above statements, is that all of the law, and writing of the Prophets, (Nevi’im) that are in the Tanakh can be summed up within these two (2) precepts. That in actuality, if one would love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and love thy neighbour as thyself, they in essence would fulfill the commandments in their entirety.

      (There is an interesting thing to note here before I continue. The word that was translated into English as “hang” above, is derived from the Greek “κρεμάννυμι” transliterated, “kremannymi” , (Strong’s 2110). The word is utilized a total of seven (7) times within the New Testament and within its definitions, and its use, it refers to one that is crucified on a Cross. These can be found in Luke 23:39., Acts 5:30., 10:39., and Galatians 3:13.)

      In John 13:34., Yeshua declares a “new” commandment, “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” and in 15:12., He repeats it, “This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.”

      Earlier in His ministry Yeshua stated, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17. This He did when He gave freely of Himself and died on the Cross for those that would believe in Him. And it was only at the time of His death, that the New and Better Covenant actually took effect.
      This is confirmed in Hebrews 9:16-22.,

      16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator .
      17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth .
      18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
      19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book , and all the people,
      20 Saying , This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
      21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
      22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

      We are now in an age of Grace and have been redeemed from the law.

      The single most important Mitzvah, (Divine Commandment) in all of scripture, is to trust in Yeshua as our LORD and Savior.
      Everything else is centered and revolves around this.
      As stated above, the two “great commandments” are the Ve’ahavta (“Love the LORD with all your heart”) and the obligation to love others as you love yourself, (Matt. 22:36-40.) and as, Yeshua Himself loved us, (John 13:34.).

      These two commandments presuppose however, that first, “that you believe that the LORD is real, personal, loving and accessible, and secondly, that you are in fact able to love the LORD and others in the sincerity of truth.”
      It is however, literally impossible to fulfill these commandments, apart from the genuine spiritual rebirth and the new life imparted to us through Yeshua, (ie. chayim chadashim).

      This is confirmed in Romans 8:8., “So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.”
      Therefore to please God, we must be in the Spirit.

      Consequently then, the principle called the “law of sin and death” is invoked whenever someone attempts to draw close to the LORD apart from faith in His appointed Sacrifice and Mediator of sin. The idea that somehow your “good deeds” can merit access to the LORD’s presence and favor, is ultimately a denial of Yeshua’s sacrifice for you on the cross!

      The Apostle Paul warned those that perverted the message of the Gospel by adding any form of “works of law”, that they would be under a divine curse. This is confirmed in Galatians 1:6,9.;

      6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
      7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
      8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
      9 As we said before , so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received , let him be accursed.”

      The New Testament clearly states that those that are believers in Yeshua are “declared righteous” apart from the works of the law, (Romans 3:8., Galatians 3:16.). The “declared righteous one” shall live by “faith”, (Romans 1:17., Galatians 3:11., Hebrews 10:38.)

      The Hebrew word for “faith” (emunah) appears in the Tanakh for the first time, (in the Torah, Genesis 15:6) and is connected with Abraham. But what was the nature of Abrahams faith that God would declare him righteous for? Was he declared righteous because of works of the law? Abraham did indeed understand the commandments, statutes, and laws of God, (Genesis 26:5). But where in those laws did it call for, or condone human sacrifice? Nowhere!
      Abraham was declared righteous for being faithful to the voice of the LORD and that faithfulness had no relevance to the law whatsoever. So what is this “faith” that nothing but it alone is necessary, or even required?

      As Kierkegaard expressed, “faith” is its own category or mode of existing; “Faith is the contradiction between the infinite passion of inwardness and objective uncertainty.”
      When Abraham was tested with the Akedah, (“binding” The story of Abraham being tested by God in binding his only begotten son (Isaac) for sacrifice, on Mount Moriah.) he was willing to put aside his rational understanding of the moral law, and instead be obedient to God. He believed that God could perform the impossible, (Matthew 17:20., Luke 1:37.). Abraham was declared righteous (tzaddik) because he trusted that God would fulfill His promise that He had made to him, even if he slew his promised heir upon the altar, (Hebrews 11:17-19.)

      Through his faith Abraham foresaw the redemption of the world, (the Messiah) and believed in God’s promise of salvation, (John 8:56.) This is confirmed in Romans 4:13, 14. where Paul states;

      13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
      14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect :

      The works of the law, and the righteousness of faith, are therefore “antithetical and contrary” concepts.
      This is expressed quite clearly by Paul in Romans 9:30-33.

      30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
      31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
      32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
      33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

      Those that accept this truth are called “the children of Abraham” and are therefore, “partakers of his blessings”.
      Paul expressed this in a more forcible sense by stressing this importance by saying in Galatians 3:1-14.;

      1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth , crucified among you?
      2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
      3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
      4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
      5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
      6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
      8 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
      8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed .
      9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
      10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written , Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
      11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
      12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
      It is solely through the righteousness of Yeshua as Adonai Tzidkenu that we are saved from the curse of the law.
      13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written , Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
      14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

      Therefore, adherence to any portion of the law accomplishes nothing. Having faith in Yeshua accomplishes everything.

      Be Blessed

  49. My only thoughts are I don’t serve a Christ that I read about in the Gospels, because I was born in a different era. I never ever knew the Jesus of the gospels when he was there to find his 12 and get them ready for his death and ressurection and infilling of his spirit.

    But I do serve a risen Christ who, right now, has, as revelation puts it, power, wealth, wisdomn and strength. As Christ is our brother, and we are Gods sons (little gods) of his spirit nature, we are more than we think we are. I serve that Christ. That is the only Christ I can ever know!

    Yet most churches and Christians I see are still locked in being thankful they are saved by grace with no idea who they are in spirit now on earth (Christ isn’t coming to sae the earth – thats our job) and are still trying to serve an imitate a Jesus we read of ‘prior’ to his death and ressurection.

    One example is money. Money shows who understands who we are and who doesn’t. Revelation shows Jesus is the wealtheist person alive. The Biblke talks about us overtaking the enemy. I talks aboiut our domination of the world. It says it’s not Christ who is going to do it – it’s us!. he’s only coming back to collect those who know him. Hello, in spirit I am his brother. The scriptures Christians use who have a ‘poor’ mentality, talk about a rich man finding it hard to enter the kingdom of God. Yes, they do if they aren’ta Christian can’t let God have charge of their money. But if I am Christian and wealthy, and I can have an open hand with it, I can do more for the kingdom in a wealthy country than if I am Christian and poor. If i lived in Afganistan as a Christian that might be different but I don’t. I live in a wealthy country with people who own more than two cars, have every latest gadget and who eat what they want when they want it.

    If you found out you were a son of a current king on earth would you act the same as before you knew? Would you want to be the prince or princess you could be?

    Finding poor in spirit Christians is easy. The first key is the attitude to tithing and those that object to tithing are usually ‘poor’ in money, attitiude, faith, purpose, motivation, hope and goals (yet these are suppossed to be Gods answer to the earth, the victorious ones in Christ, the sons of God, the redeemed ones, brotherds to Jesus Christ the existing King of kings?).

    I belong to a church that asks for tithes. I have tithed for 35 years so it was not new to me. But this church teaches that giving preceeds financial growth becuase of the law of sowing and reaping (you get what you pay for) and I have seen most of these ‘poor’ people who come in, lift themselves out of debt and poor attitudes and are now positive people, retraining, getting new and exciting jobs that are paying three times what they used to earn, bringing people with them to church inclkuding family memebrs who hve seen them change, and the church grows and needs a new building to accomodate all the brand new people and that requires more money. So we aren’t feeding the poor and hungry, we are teaching them to do it themselves.

    Then I look at the Baptist church on the corner. The same old people, the same old songs, the same impact, …. and oh, it’s now closed and the church is a cafe. But they were right weren’t they, we were far to extravagant as Christians to be real Christians. We were only a money grabbing machine and preaching a ‘name it and claim it gospel’, we weren’t changing lives and adding to the church…..

    The world doesn’t need to know a jesus of nazareth, they need to knwo a risen, glorious Lord, who has everything and who expects his followers be understand they are his brothers not someone elses.

    So in all my years I have noticed things and have come to the conclusion you can sum up a mans heart and his place in God with a few questions about money… not how much you have, but how much you give… and then the REAL heart of the man is revealed by their words as it reveals whether they know the Christ who exists and reigns right now, or the one they read about who’s earthly ministry died when he did.

  50. !

  51. 🙂

  52. why don”t all of you send a check to help buy food and water for the poor ?
    think on this if you could go into GODS throne room what would you see? you would see GOD and to HIS right LORD JESUS .
    ITS THAT SIMPLE MOVE ON GO BLESS SOMEONE WIN A SOUL
    IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE BIBLE , JUST TEAR OUT THE PAGES
    YOU DON”T LIKE OR BELIEVE .

    • Hi Charlie,

      I’d like to know why you would assume that we are not giving to the poor? If we are not giving to the poor or helping anyone in need in any way, then we need to reexamine our faith. We should be always be ready to put into practice being like the good Samaritan that Jesus gave an example of.

  53. I would like to say that President Obama signed into office on January
    2-2012, The National Defense Authorization Act!

    This act gives the USA the right to detain Americans and not charge them
    if someone feels they might be a suspect in terroism. We are supposedly getting out of the war business but we need this law and the removal of our rights. The president is not the only one to be sighted in approval of this act, but also senate and the House. The American not charged can be also sent and turned over to the armed forces for Eygypt, Syria, the yemenis and other foreign nations if they claim you are working with the taliban or Al Quaeda or associated forces or their governements, to include the United Nations.

    What is going on with the nation of Israel that they have taken our rights away and the people in office don’t do their job to protect our greates allie and Gods’ nation and children. Every time they do something stupid another serious harbinger shows up.

    Did you know that with our debt complements of our Presiden we are now the poorest nation in the world, less than a year ago we feel to 5 place with out debt and today we are number 7.

    I won’t be surprized if they say we aren’t having elections any more.

    To those of you who know Augusto Perez, he said he saw a tsunami hit the east coast and heard a loud noise but did not know where the noise came from. He was in a different place than the angels had me. I say it is an extension of my dream regarding washington.

    I have tried my best to interpret the vision I had where the Lord wrote to me in Hebrew. In prayer I ask him, what should I be doing with the dreams and visions he gave me. The name of “I AM” and “prophesy” seem to be the words written. ” I am ” was written in gold coloring and the rest in the color of royal blue as his nation Israel.

    This national defense act truely treatens our civil liberties. Just as God showed me in a dream he gave me last year regarding our current Pres. Setting in the Pres. chair was a black carpenter ant. I was then showed to windows with the scrolls over the top of them. To the best of my memory these scrolls were lifted away and torn. This dream I feel signifies destroying all walls and partiions that protect our nation and our people under the bill of rights and constitution. The one scroll I feel was the bible, the second our Constitution/Bill of rights. When the government is so big that it takes control to eliminate or take away the rights that have been in place for 200 hundred years while we as a nation believed in God. It starts with singling out God and making themselfs Gods.

    Don’t misunderstand we are required to pray for our leaders and I try to remember this. We need prayer in this nation despartely by all people, we need returning to “In God We Trust”. I feel from God that I am to tell you all of these parts today and to tell you pray and return to God if you are cold and let him know where your trust is.

    The good news was for those who do not bow to this system and remain the children of God will be protected in like ark fashion as God did for Noah, and those arks will be floating in an ocean of the blood covering protection and God showed me the nation setting on top of the Rock and the rock had dried blood on it. This nation was built on the Rock. Today people fail to remember that it is way wrong to put people in office who do not beleive “In God”. This as Israel is, is his also. If you remember God woke me up every night at around 3:00 am for an extended period of time. My job was to mount the walls and go to prayer for the nation of Israel first and second Great Britian and third the USA. When the meeting of Benjamin Netanyahu occured with congress he stopped waking me up. Just the past two weeks I had the vision of a spider. This means someone was weaving their web. The web is done and if we as people have been put in a postion to speak for Israel or protect them I can not say. Pray for the peace in those three lands, please. It is worth mentioning a vision several weeks ago was about a bundle of green hibernating snakes that had been awakened. These snakes were setting on the big dog (united nations) and the dog was setting on the feet of the statue of Daniels dream in the Bible. This signifies our last days, clay and iron mixed.

    We once upon a time were a nation who truely believed and had a relationship with God, who is our Lord and Savior. My heart and mind has not changed regarding our responsiblity and my desire that we would remain free of the anti-christ mission.

    I don;t care who sets in what seat, I agree with God this was and for many still is a nation who trust and feared God.

    be blessed

  54. Marianne

    You are so right. My heart is for our family in Israel and around the world.

    The scriptures of Jeremiah 30 pretty much tell what is to come just how soon. I pray we get a new President before this war takes place, but
    it is not in our hands. Prayer is all Gods’ children can do, while studying and reading the word. That was his directions to me, to you he said we
    should abide. These things together tell us with prayer and study of the
    he is going to keep us where we are and trusting him we will be kept in his ark of safety if we are covered by his blood.

    My good Jewish friend who lost his hearing at Christmas time and the Drs. said there was no hope for it to come back. I prayed the prayer of faith for him and told him so.

    I told him to let me know when his hearing returned. It was like the centurion, if you have faith God is not spaced by distance to hear our prayers. He performs miracles for all who believe in him and his name. I testify to his goodness for it is not us but faith that did the job by the healing stripes of Jesus.

    He wrote back and told me he received Gods’ miracle and his hearing has been restored. He gave the honor and glory to God for this blessed miracle.

    I know you love to hear of Gods’ miracles. Be blessed if you hear anything else about Palestine let me know and if I do I will write back.

    Pattie

  55. Hi people😀

    I was just thinking, if we assume that in Rev 12,

    Dragon – devil

    Woman – spirit of God

    Child that was taken up – those born of the spirit, who were well prepared for the second coming

    Rest of the woman’s seed – those born of the spirit who were not prepared for the second coming

    then I guess we can say that that chapter tells us of the things to expect during the second coming. It says that those born of the spirit, who would be ready for the rapture, would be taken up to heaven. After this, the devil wil then come down and seek to destroy those on earth who are born of the spirit, but were not prepared for the second coming. Matt 24:40-41 talks of the second coming, of how some people would be raptured, and some woud be left behind.

    After this, Rev 13 talks of the arival of two other beasts. Some notable things about the first beast of this chapter are

    1. There is something about it that would make people marvel when they see it (Rev 13:3)

    2. It would make war with the saints (Rev 13:7)

    3. It would blaspheme against God (Rev 13:6)

    Also, some notable things about the second beast of Rev 13:11 are

    1. It would make peple worship the earlier beast spoken of above (Rev 13:12)

    2. It would have the power to perform wonderous things (Rev 13:13)

    3. It would try to decieve the people with miracles, signs and wonders (Rev 13:14)

    All I can say for now about these two beasts is that the devil would use them to make war with the children of God. Until their arival, i cann’t be too sure of their true nature.

  56. Just a question, should one not ask God to forgive the devil for his sins? Why I ask this is because the devil hates it when you speak of the Lord’s name and he hates it when you are a servant of God so why not ask God to forgive him and say out loud everyday something like ‘devil may you repent your sins! Matthew 18:21-35. Should we hate the devil that much, because he likes it when you hate? Its just a question!!!

    • hi parsons

      No. The devil was given a chance a long time ago, and he has spent millions of years not repenting. You saying something now will not change anything.

    • Hi Parsons,

      Where God stooped down to help fallen man, he did not do so for fallen angels and that most likely because they were already in His presence and beheld His glory. Furthermore, what is written in the word of God as absolute must take place otherwise it would make God a liar and it is impossible for God to lie, otherwise how could we trust in any of his promises or anything that is written in his word? Therefore, consider the following Scripture and apply it to your question:

      “And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (Rev.20:10)

      Since Satan’s fate has already been determined in the word of God and God cannot lie, how can the above not take place? Not only that, but it is written that the lake of fire (Hell) was created for Satan and his angels (Mt.25:41). Anyone who is not following Christ is for Satan whether they realize it or not and will end up in the same place. It is just like that Bob Dylon song “You’ve got to serve somebody.” If you’re not serving Christ, then by default you are serving Satan.

      I hope this helps.

  57. Your post is great, reminded me first off of the verse in Mathew:
    Mat 27:54

    ” Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.”

    Be Blessed in Yeshua🙂

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