Where in the world is Azal?


One of the most powerful end time prophecies predicts that the Lord will split the Mount of Olives on his return to Zion, and the valley created by this massive earthquake will reach all the way to Azal. So where is that?

Other spellings: Azal, Atsel, Asael

Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, [and] all the saints with thee.

Since the valley reaches to Azal, it would be nice to know where they are going. Remember, they can only flee on foot or by car, and most likely by foot. So it is not far from Israel, wherever it is.

As a location, in the entire world, I only found 3 possibilities:


Azal Khel, Afghanistan

Debdabet el Atsel , Tunesia. (North Africa)

Somewhere near the Mount of Olives, in the Western Bank?

One thing that is known now, is that this famous geological split in the land described in the bible, is now along what known as the fault line of the African-Syrian rift.

This shows the bible knew about geology before scientists did.

So, if the earthquake occurred, and the land mass spilt, which way would the land mass split, and would that help us find Azal?


Land movement makes a way to Jordan

Some think that the people in Jerusalem would flee to Petra, or another place in Jordan.

If the plate east of the fault slid northward, then this would bring the dead sea more north too, and prevent a crossing.


If the plate east of the fault slid southward, then this would drop the dead sea more south, and create a land bridge to Jordan.

Land movement creates a valley to south Israel.

However, it may not be necessary to flee to Jordan…there is the valley on the west side of the Dead Sea that would open up. People could travel south from Jerusalem.

The Dead Sea, because of the “tear” in the land mass might be opened up to the Red Sea, and be refilled with better water.

The new Jerusalem which is to descend will take up 1400 x 1400 x 1400 cubic miles.

This means that the land masses would have to move and converge enough to form a large area for the new city after the Lord’s victory, and the valley would allow for east – west water flow from Jerusalem to both the Mediterranean Sea and the Dead Sea.

So I wonder where Azal is…….

It seems like Azal would have to be a safe distance away from Jerusalem, to provide a place of safety for the inhabitants.

Does anyone know more than I do about this?



159 Responses to “Where in the world is Azal?”

  1. […] created by this massive earthquake will reach all the way to Azal.    So, where is that? Click here for […]

      VERSE 5..And ye shall flee to the “valley of the mountains; for the “valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal…
      theres more in that verse, but you need to understand, that God is the Mountains…IE..His mountains the two new ones he formed out of one. Azal= a new place, yet to have this name, at one extremity of the valley.

  2. Hi Marianne,

    I think Azal is underground.

  3. RASHI commentaries on Zech. 14:5
    “And you shall flee to the valley of the mountains”: Jonathan renders. And the valley of the mountains shall be stopped up. Since Jerusalem is surrounded by mountains, and there is a valley between the mountains in the north and the Mount of Olives, and [this is also] so in the south, when half of the Mount of Olives draws toward the mountain in the north, the valley between them will be stopped up. [This will also be] so in the south. :

    “shall reach”: The height of the valley that will be between the mountains. :

    “to Azal”: To the height of the mountaintops that are from either side. So did Menahem classify this (Machbereth p. 32), with (Isa. 41:9) “and from its nobles I called you.” Its meaning is an expression of height.

    • dear Gavriel,

      You completely lost me.

      Can you explain that a different way?

      I do not know what you mean.

    • Zech 14 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. The question here is what is the day of the Lord? Is it at the end only? One possibility is that the day of the Lord is in two stages: one when the antichrist invades at the 3 1/2 point oif Daniel’s final 7. Jesus like many prophets said that the people of Israel would have to flee when they see the antichrist. Why? Becuse the armies of the antichrist will rape even pregnant women and loot the houses-just like Zechariah says here. That is why Jesus tells the people to flee out of town FAST!. When the prophets spoke, the saw pictures, and those pictures were not order always. I believe that the fleeing here is referring to the antichist’s invasion. then the Lord will come 3 and 1/2 years later

      • Hi Alan,

        It seems like to me that if the Lord has shown up to defend Israel, and he splits the Mount of Olives in half, then this is the end of the 3 1/2 years.

        The people are fleeing now because it is the battle of Armageddon, and they have gone to hide while the Lord “takes care of business” on their behalf.

        • At Tribulation End Jesus and those with him are ALL on horses:
          Rev 19:11a And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True;…
          Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.

          Act 7:55 But he (Stephen), being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus STANDING on the right hand of God, Act 7:59A And they stoned Stephen…

          At Mid-Tribulation Jesus is “spiritually” standing on the ground with those 144,000 firstfruit Jews who are marked by him unto the laying down of their lives for Jerusalem from the antichrist.
          Zec 14:4a And his feet shall STAND in that day upon the mount of Olives, …
          Rev 14:1 And I saw, and behold, the Lamb STANDING on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

          The longing for the sons of Israel to stand in purity before their God is finally fulfilled which moves the heart of God so much that the mountain literally rips apart, much like the veil in the temple ripped apart when Jesus died.

          This becomes a fulfillment of Lev16:8-10 where one goat (firstfruit for the Lord) is imediately killed, but the other goat is banished to Azazel. Its a kind of an unusual scriptural atonement picture, but the use of the word Azal is a HUGE clue as to what is going on. In this scenerio, the people would be allowed to flee Judea for a very short period of time, kind of like a short-term get-out-jail-free card God has forced the Devil to agree to.

      • RIGHT ON!

  4. I simply quoted Rashi’s commentaries on Zech 14:5. Rashi is classical rabbinical commentator from 10th century. Well, according to Rashi Azal is not a place but expression of height of the mountaintops that are from either side.
    Also, according to Jewish tradition Jerusalem will move some 45 miles south, though Temple Mount will remain in the same place, this explains why Ezekiel locates Temple Mount seperate from the city of Jerusalem (which will move south).
    Also, land of Israel is called “Eretz Ha Tzvi” – “land of the deer” meaning it is like skin of the deer which can stretch, or like a scroll – it can open like a scroll and become much larger.

    • hi Gavriel

      I know who Rashi is, I never read what he wrote.

      I do not see how Jerusalem will move south, but the Temple Mount remain in the same place. The split occurs in the Mount of Olives, which is east of both Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.

      Everything west of the Mount of Olives would have to move south.

      So, how high is high? How does Azal describe how “high” a valley is, or how far it reaches?

      This makes little sense to me.

      The word azal is used in reference to the valley, not the mountain.

      Is the valley that is created as deep as the mountains are high?

  5. “The word azal is used in reference to the valley, not the mountain. ”

    Not really for it says: “for the valley of the mountains shall reach Azal.” – namely, the valley formed by the mountains will reach the peak – which now moved away.

    “Everything west of the Mount of Olives would have to move south.”

    Except for Temple mount, Temple Mount would remain closer to northern half of the Mount of Olives. Remember that historical Jerusalem was much smaller and Mount of Olives was considered outside of the city. Prophet describes exactly which parts of the city will move south:

    Zech 14:10:

    “but it [Jerusalem] will be elevated high and remain in its old place; from the gate of Benjamin to the place of the first gate, until the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananel until the king’s wine-cellars.”

    • Gavriel

      I think we have different concepts of how the land will split and move.

      For me, there is first a split from east to west…


      the entire east side would slide north

      and the entire west side would slide south

      or the other way around….

      My impression is that you are imagining just a split from east to west…..dividing Israel into a north area and a south area, with a big valley in the middle

      How can a valley reach a peak of a mountain?

      • The Bible clearly states that the mt of olives will split east to west and the movement will be toward the north and south .,( Zechariah 14:4) There is no need for speculation on this . It is very clearly stated .

      • The movements occur all at one go. You seem to say first the split then the movement NS. IMAGINE A
        a breaking glass, so will be the result of an earth quake.

  6. Not really for it says: “for the valley of the mountains shall reach Azal.” – namely, the valley formed by the mountains will reach the peak – which now moved away.

    “Everything west of the Mount of Olives would have to move south.”

    Except for Temple mount, Temple Mount would remain closer to northern half of the Mount of Olives. Remember that historical Jerusalem was much smaller and Mount of Olives was considered outside of the city. Prophet describes exactly which parts of the city will move south:

    Zech 14:10:

    “but it [Jerusalem] will be elevated high and remain in its old place; from the gate of Benjamin to the place of the first gate, until the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananel until the king’s wine-cellars.”


      VERSE 5..And ye shall flee to the “valley of the mountains; for the “valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal…
      theres more in that verse, but you need to understand, that God is the Mountains…IE..His mountains the two new ones he formed out of one. Azal= a new place, yet to have this name, at one extremity of the valley.

  7. “My impression is that you are imagining just a split from east to west…..dividing Israel into a north area and a south area, with a big valley in the middle”

    True. Unfourtunately, I have no further sources right now beside me.

    “How can a valley reach a peak of a mountain?”

    Sorry, I didn’t put that right, I simply meant mountains from both side of the valley.

    • Gavriel

      I still do not see how the word azal relates the valley to the mountain height….

      Maybe you mean if the mountain was 500 feet high, then the valley would be 500 feet wide, and reach to the same place where the mountain peak used to be, before it got moved.

      I was assuming the split would occur along the Syrian- African rift that divides Israel from Jordan.

    • Gavriel, you are correct in your theory. sometimes God puts his plans into the minds of his chosen ones and no matter how much you explain, others just wont understand your theory. (Even tho it is correct)

  8. “If the plate east of the fault slid northward, then this would bring the dead sea more north too, and prevent a crossing. ”

    I think the plate east of the fault COULD ONLY slid northward, because its part of Arabian plate which progresses northward, while land west of Jordan progresses southward towards African plate. Dead Sea wouldn’t have to move north, after such a geological shift it would alter in many possible ways – it could become large sea, if the land between Dead Sea and Red Sea splits, or it could dissappear at all, as it was during Soddom and Gommorah. Geologists say that Jordan Valley once was much higher than it is today and is supported by the Bible, after Jordan changed its course during time of Joshua (this had to involve topographic shift).
    If we imagine land of Israel as a scroll, then we could assume that the Jordan valley would enlarge considerably and elevate at the same time.

  9. “I still do not see how the word azal relates the valley to the mountain height….”

    Well, my picture is this: Mount of Olives split, one half moving remaining closer to the temple mount and the other half moving southward together with large portion of Jerusalem, thus valley reaching Azal, or extending to the two newly formed split parts of the terrain, which beforehand couldn’t be considered height as the was no valley between them.

    • Gavriel

      I think I will only understand what you say about azal is if you could draw me a picture. I do not see why the Lord would split Jerusalem in half, and have a valley between the 2 halves. We do not know how deep this valley is that is going to form.

      Do you have the “paint” program on your computer? You can draw a picture and send it to my email.

  10. “I do not see why the Lord would split Jerusalem in half, and have a valley between the 2 halves.”

    In order to isolate Temple Mount maybe? This way Temple Mount will become the highest peak on the horizon, and also hidden wells would open up, in order to fulfill the prophesy of rivers flowing from the Temple Mount.

    Also, have you considered Ezekiel’s vision of Holy Portion alluded to Prince? It locates Temple in the middle of Priests’ portion, while the city itself is far south, here’s the map:

    White square is Priest’s portion with the Temple withing, yellow square southwards is Levites portion, and red square further south is portion where the city of Jerusalem stand, this would be logical if in the future there is a considerable split between the Temple Mount and the city.

    Well, I’ll try to paint, but I shall not promise.

    • Gavriel

      I thought the priests were located on the east side. Where does it say they relocate to the north?

      I thought the original arrangement looked like this:

      Where does it describe this new arrangement of priests to the north, levites south of them, and then the city below them?

      I know Ezechiel says that the Prince will enter and exit by the east, that worshipers will enter by the north gate, and leave by the south, but how does this translate into a portion for the priests on the north side?

      Is it because everyone enters from the north, so the priests have to be on that side?

      But then, according to your picture, the levite portion would obstruct the path of the Prince?

      I am confused between portions of land for the priests, levites, and people, and where the temple will sit.

  11. Marianne,
    the new Jerusalem will be on the new earth! Right now the top would be way out in space!
    If I remember correctly there will be a major landscape remodeling done and only Jerusalem will stay exalted.

  12. Hi Marianne,

    I didn’t mean the Temple itself, but large land strip called Prince’s or Holy Portion (Ezekiel 48:8-22) located between future portion’s of Judah and Benjamin: here’s the map:

    Pay attention to the square in the Prince’s portion – the city is in small yellow square;

    • Gavriel

      Ok. You are referring to the re-portioning of the land for the different tribes.

      It seems like here, the land is divided based on the current map of Israel

      Israel originally was given much more land than that. Wouldn’t it expect to have all land restored to it in the Messianic reign?

      Still, using the term “azal” as a measurement of distance or height still eludes me.

      It still sounds like a location to me. From what I found, the word azal means :

      to lay aside, reserve, withdraw, withhold

      a) (Qal) to reserve, set apart, withhold

      b) (Niphal) to be withdrawn

      c) (Hiphil) to withdraw

      Maybe it really means that the location is secret and will not be revealed until the time comes. This might be to protect the inhabitants, and their location, as they flee to it for refuge.

  13. Hi,

    Maybe this would help …

         Now, where is Azal? The word comes from the Hebrew name ‘Atsel which means, “proximity: he has reserved”

  14. Marianne;

    I never noticed the reference to Azal before. I only know about Petra, Jordan. But for those new to your web site, I wonder if they have heard about Petra-Israel’s secret hiding place during the last 3 1/2 years of the GREAT TRIBULATION. In case they haven’t I hope you don’t mind me sharing it with those who maybe are not familiar with these things.


  15. Azal runs along the same area as the Mount of Olives.
    From Scripture, it is obvious that those who do the running, will be able to get there by foot, so the distance is not a long one!

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  17. Hi Marianne

    I was looking for Azal in Zech 14. I chanced upon this site listing the 10 lowest places on earth http://geology.com/below-sea-level/

    After the Dead Sea region, there is a Lake Assal (Azal???) in Djibouti (across the sea from Yemen. Could this be it???

  18. I found a couple of links, one of which would support a latitudinal valley, the other longitudinal. I’m not going to do any more searching for now, since the mere existence of more of one or the other would be inconclusive.

    The links:


    If you click on “search nearby” and type “Jerusalem”, the result should come up marked as “A”, with the proposed site of Azal marked with a green arrow. This corresponds to the valley running east to west.


    This is just a blog with who knows what as the source of information, but it places Azal more or less south of Jerusalem, supporting a north/south valley.

    Here’s one more link:


    It cites Beth Ezel(way west of Jerusalem) as a possibilty, also Wadi Yasul which is purportedly in East Jerusalem. Both would point to a latitudinal split and a valley east/west.

    I’ll go ahead and give my two cents:

    The army coming against her will be so massive, furious and proud that they’re not going to be concerned with tactics. They’ll come straight down from the north, perhaps sending a smaller expeditionary force of some sort to take the city, or at least be drawn out as a whole from north to south to some extent. I say this because I’m under the impression that Megiddo is where the armies will gather for slaughter, filling the plain with blood to the height of horses’ bridles, etc. Also, from a logistical standpoint, such a force would be extremely difficult to move in any strict formation through such rough terrain. I haven’t figured out the particulars and I suppose the whole multitude could actually reach Jerusalem’s general area and their blood flow north, or wherever(1600 furlongs/200 miles, distance is given but it doesn’t really say where, maybe all around).

    Anyway, we know they only get far enough to take half the city and they start out at Megiddo. It would make sense that, regardless of the size of the force that reaches Jerusalem, the valley, better yet the power of the one who will create it, going north would utterly annihilate them all the way up to Megiddo, if they’re staggered ,as I tend to believe(I relate the power that splits a mountain to that which wipes out the army of the nations). This while allowing the survivors to flee south.

    I, until stumbling on your blog and doing this research, was under the impression that the flight would be eastward. I think the fault line confirms the direction of the valley, and it says to flee by the valley itself. So, since the armies come from the north, and the opposite direction would be the logical way to run, Azal must be somewhere to the south.

    At any rate, when it happens, those who at least know to look for it will see which way it runs and follow it. It’s sure to be hard to miss!

    • thanks Jesse

      Because of the links in your post, your comment got hung up in the spam folder. I just rescued it from there. So if you ever have this situation where you post, and you do not see it, it is because of links in your post. Just know that I will eventually fish it out of the spam folder, so the comment will show on the page you posted on.

      I had seen that one spot east of the temple mount, labeled as “azal” but as I got closer to check it, it appeared to be a local neighborhood, and the reason it was labeled that way was because of the Azal scripture that popped up. It referenced to the temple mount and Jerusalem. I am not sure if that is it, or just a tourist spot., but maybe it is. It seems that Azal would have been mentioned more in scripture.

      I agree that most likely the split will be along the syrian-african fault, which runs NS, but the movement will be from east to west, or west to east.

      • Okay, what remains to be clarified is this:

        “…the mount…shall cleave…toward the east and…west…”

        Does east and west refer to the valley or the halves of the mountain?


        “…half…shall remove toward the north, and half…south.”

        Does this refer to the halves moving apart in diametric opposition, or parallel opposition? The answer to one seems to depend on the other. Like I said though, whomever needs to know will have no doubt about it when they see it with their own eyes!

    • I’d like to amend my post about latitudinal vs. longitudinal split/valley through the Mt. of Olives. It says very clearly that half of the MOUNTAIN will go north and half south, making the actual split/valley run from east to west. Dunno what I was thinking there.

    • Amen to your last comment, Jesse!

  19. I was hoping you knew. If you find out before I do please let me know. Where Azal is. please email me at tcaurand@aol.com

  20. Verse one and two of Zechariah 14 indicates that the Lord is not going to come in His Second Coming on the first day of the Battle of Armageddon [Revelation 16:16]. The conflict at Armageddon will not be a one day war and there will be slaughter of Jews much like Titus did in 70 A.D. But when much death and destruction happens and the Lord is tired of Islamic and Russian pummeling of Jews, then our Lord will appear with the splitting of the land mass area around Jerusalem. The Lord is not working through a ‘fault line’ in order to make this earthquake. The brightness of His coming will kill thousands of His enemies and the earthquake will be by His providence [Revelation 19:15-21]. I think you remember that the Bible says that no man can see God or they die as in the true story of Moses and in John 1:18a.

    At the Rapture Jesus comes for His saints as duly explained in I Thessalonians 4:16-17.

    In Zechariah 14:5 at the Second Coming of Christ He comes with we His saints [Revelation 19:14], after the Judgment Seat of Christ when Christians from all times will be evaluated as to what they have done for Jesus our Lord. Our position in Heaven will be determined at this tribunal as noted in I Corinthians chapter three.

    Apparently there was an earthquake in Isaiah chapter 6 as corroborated in Zechariah 14:5e.

    The earthquake will rearrange the land mass around Jerusalem providing water for irregation during the Theocratic Millennial Kingdom Age on this earth [Zechariah 14:8]. There may be something similar to a river or fresh water canal from Azal or Jerusalem toward the Mediterranean Sea and in the dirction of the Sea of Galilee, as the Bible says the ‘hinder sea.’

    The Rev. Dr. I. Ray Berrian, Th.D. & Ph.D. Summa Cum Laude
    http://www.spreadthewordministries.org & then to Berrian Bible Institute. rayberrian@rcn.com

  21. will fault width 444 meters

  22. Azal is a valley south of Jerusalem.


  23. Azal is about four miles south of Jerusalem. It has two names: Government House, and Hill of Evil Counsel. It is also the location of the main headquarters of the United Nations in Israel! U.S. Bible “scholars” do not have a clue about Azal because they spend too much time in their libraries instead of actually being “on-site”. I’ve always said that travel is one of the best ways to learn.

    • hi Wesley

      Thanks for sharing that.. It seemed strange that he bible indicated somewhere that did not exist, unless it did, but was not significant enough to be mentioned in other scripture.

      How do you know that this place is Azal?

  24. Not sure from what point in Jerusalem Wesley is computing distance from, but Azal can’t be more than a half mile as the crow flies from Mt Zion. He’s close saying that Azal is near Government House. Azal is actually the valley to the north just below that ridge. If he’s on-site he should know it as Nahal Etsel. Azal is the first valley due south of the Hinnom Valley with the Hill of Evil Council betwixt it and the Hinnom Valley. The Jerusalem Peace Forest is on its western slopes. Abu Tor is on the northern slope. The torrent of Azal flows into the Kidron at the base of the Mount of Olives, which is an about 2.5 mile-long mountain running from north Jerusalem to Mount Zion. There’s a large landslide on the Mount of Olives near where Azal intersects Kidron.

  25. Atzal is more than likely a high mountain place of refuge. The earthquake will split from east to west forcing the plates to move north and south. Water will run from east to west igniting the volatile sulfer from the Dead Sea with the minerals from the Mediterranean Sea. This will create a fire running east to west along the ridge of the north and south sides and sulfer oxide or hydrogen oxide will develope, even possibly phosphorus may occur stripping the flesh off the invaders. The people will flee through the valley created by the earthquake to the place called Atzal or high place. Also Radak has interpretated the separation or earthquake as the routing of the invaders from the north [ Esav-Gog ] and from the south [ Islam ] both being divided and wiped out. They were essentially together with one mind when they invaded Jerusalem. It is a known military strategy to divide the enemy and conquer it. Both can occur together, a place created to hide when invaded and also the routing of the invaders.

    • hi Jay

      Imaging that earthquake and what happens next is quite an event.

      God’s judgments are awesome.

    • You’re delusional Jay. Go work for Hollywood, or something, and quit spamming the kingdom of God with your lying fantasies. Azal is Wady Yasul. The evidence proves it. There will be no splitting of the Mount of Olives, and no people fleeing to Azal. It’s all a lie based on a mistranslation.

      • zechariahfourteenfive,

        I have just finished reading your commentary, (linked off of your name above.) Thank you for the time and effort that you have put into compliling this information, it is a very thought provoking read.

    • Hey Jay, I apologize for my harshness. I was having a bad day.

  26. In the bible dictionary “Azal” is defined as, “very near” = “the way of escape shall be made easy.”
    It is not a place but the way the 144,000 will come to Jesus for their safty, when He returns to establish His kingdom. They will be the only survivors of the tribulation.

  27. Hi Marianne,
    I was just doing some research on Zech 14 and Matt 16:27; I’m a little late on the discussion thread I guess 🙂 Anyway, I tend to agree with Abigail and somewhat with 45squared.

    I believe “Azal” is underground as Abigail mentioned. I think it may refer to the fallen angel Azazel mentioned in the Book of Enoch and referenced as the “scape goat” to Azazel in Leviticus as 45squared pointed out. In the Book of Enoch, a high ranking angel named Uriel at the command of Yahweh bound Azazel by opening up a place in the ground and casting him into a dark pit until he awaits judgment on the “Last Day” which we true believers know is fast approaching!!! When the great earthquake (a.k.a. 6th seal opens), it looks like it will be the start of the judgment period for everybody- the angels that sinned (II Peter 2:4) and us humans.

    There is so much hidden knowledge that is being uncovered now. You may not believe all of the apocryphal works and the targums, but they are worth a look just from an historical perspective. I’m just praying that Yahweh will have mercy on my soul!

  28. According to the book numbers, Messiah will crush the son of Set. Who are they? Anyone who knows?

    • Num24:17 (DRB) I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not near. A STAR SHALL RISE out of Jacob and a sceptre shall spring up from Israel: and shall strike the chiefs of Moab, and shall waste all the children of Seth

      The fraction of Balaam’s prophecy to which you refer describing the crushing of the sons (children) of Sheth (Set) is Num24:17. In Hebrew, Sheth is spelled שת and the only individual of scriptural significance with that name is the son of Adam Gen4:25-Gen5:8, but remember that only Noah’s genes past through the Great Flood. So in a sense this Sheth (or ‘Set’ as you say) would be the human race… But this meaning is unlikely for it would imply the crushing of all mankind.

      An alternative possibility exists:
      Keep in mind that Balaam’s prophecy was oral and was orated outside of the presence of the Hebrews. Phonetically, שת is pronounced the same as שט, and this latter word which means ‘apostate, or rebel’ forming the root word for שטן (Satan, adversary, or devil).

      Interestingly, if the Biblical spelling שת is retained (pronounced much like the English slang word SHT for feces) then שת literally means ‘buttocks’ and שתן literally means ‘urine’. So there is this preferential word play which phonetically sounds like ‘rebels’ of the earth, but is literally spelled in such a way to imply bodily excrement -or- that part of humanity which is destined for waste because of their preferential life choice to rebel against their creator, eventually earning their way into the eternal Lake of Fire.

      …which is such a waste, considering that the eternal infinite pleasure and riches of Heaven at one time could have been their inheritance, had they not chosen to hate their own maker…

      Furthermore, שת is the Chaldean/Aramaic spelling for the numerical word: SIX (as a cardinal number adjective). So we get a possible interplay with the mysterious number 666 of Rev13.

  29. Reaching strange assumptions with the name “Seth” [שת ]. This spelling can be the word shet (buttocks or backside) ,shat (base, foundation, place, put). If the vowels or consonants are not considered, you can play games with the words. The number 6 is the word “shesh.” The word “urine” is shtinah or sheten, the action “to urinate” is shatan. The word for “satan” is “satan” not shatan, the word is spelt with a “sin” not a “shin.” A cardinal number can be written for example, “two or 2” what is the purported modification? Also, the term is not crush the children of Seth, but undermine [ קרקר ] the children of Seth. The name “שט ” is not the same as the name “שת” the words are not the same, one has a “tet” and the other has a “tau” no indication of a shin or a sin, two distinct separate words. The Hebrew root words are normally in 3 consonants, few in 4 consonants. The word “satan” is not an actual entity.

    • Thanks Jay for your comments & clarity.
      Now a little bit of where I’m coming from…

      When commentaries lack meaningful substance for such a dynamic verse as “…Star out of Jacob…” it is within normal limits to resort to exploring etymology stems. In its proto-language form, Hebrew was exclusively audible long before written language would be developed. This resulted in blurring the differential spelling of some words. I’ve seen enough of the phenomena to convince me of subtle relational nuances which came about by reason of it being a proto-language. Hebrew words have specific articulate meanings, but its fluidity is too uncomfortable to the western mind which developed into Latin and English. Thus when we attempt to apply the absolute rigidity of English to Hebrew, there is the inevitable trap of mistranslation, mostly because we try to force fit a Hebrew word down into a bite-size chunk that is too narrow. But Modern Hebrew is better suited for translation interchange with English.
      א for ע,
      ו for ב,
      ט for ת,
      ס for ש,
      ש for ש,
      ז for צ,
      ה for ח,
      ח for כ,
      כ for ק.

      H8352 (KJV) considered Shin to include ‘Seth’, so much so that (Bishops) & (DRB) translations use the word Seth instead of Sheth in Num24:17.
      H8352 KJV שׁת shêth Seth, Gen_4:25-26, Gen_5:3-4, Gen_5:6-8 -or- Sheth, Num_24:17, 1Ch_1:1
      H8353 שׁת / שׁת shêth / shith BDB: six (Aramaic/Chaldee)
      H8337 שׁשּׁה / שׁשׁ shêsh / shishshâh BDB: six

      No vowel nikud during Tanach writing,
      plus Balaam’s exact words spoken outside of Hebrew earshot
      = vowel ambiguity, Shin/Sin ambiguity, & Tet/Tav ambiguity.

      2 consonant roots make up a higher percentage of ancient Hebrew words than modern Hebrew where 3-4 consonants roots are normal. This was possible because each individual letter carried a meaning, which is something the English language could never do.

      Scripture does use Satan as a single individual.
      H7854 שׂטן śâṭân BDB: 2a) Satan (as noun proper)
      Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan,H7854 “Whence comest thou?” Then Satan H7854 answered the LORD, and said, “From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”

  30. Wanna know whats really strange…Last year I heard a LOUD BOOMING voice say “AZAL”. I felt like i had wings on my back and was enlightened. My wife thought i was crazy and i did too until I found out it was mentioned in the book of zechariah. 2 men knocked on my door last year and told me i had the holy spirit and they mentioned a covenant whatever that is I’m new to christ religion. they knew my name and how i just started believing in christ. I don’t know if I’m suppose to go there or not.

    • dear Seksanh

      There has been some discussion as to where azal is, including on my site.



      But in your case, it is better to wonder why you were told that.

      I believe those 2 men who came to your door were angels. The voice you heard was God. Just as 2 angels came to rescue Lot from Sodom, I think these 2 men were sent there to let you know that God will rescue you from destruction coming to your area.

      your area is always expecting earthquakes. Jesus had advised his followers to flee to the mountains, and so did zechariah, when trouble comes:

      And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
      Zechariah 14:5,

      I think this is God’s way of advising you to flee to the mountains in the future. Usually earthquakes do not give much notice. But if your area gets worse, where you can see a pattern of increase in trouble, or there is other trouble which is not earthquake related, this might be advice for you.

      Whether it is possible for you to flee or not to a mountain, the events you described is telling you that God will provide for you.

      • Wow..those 2 men told me to read the New Testament. They also told me to read mark,Luke,John etc. they said its about Jesus walking the earth. They said jesus is gathering all his disciples and apostles. I told them I felt enlightened and they started tearing up. My body was vibrating uncontrollably from the top of my head to the bottom of my spine and back up to my head like a tuning fork. My head felt like how a flower looks or flames on my head. I heard the 12 apostles had flames on their head. One day I was making a omelette, I cracked one egg it was fine but the second egg was weird I felt this energy go through my hands and suddenly I hear the egg make a noise and had added weight. I cracked the egg and the consistency of the egg was strange it looked partially cooked. My neighbors dog uses the bathroom by my apt and one unusual night the dog heads back home and I was standing there smoking a cigarette. I see this wind that started heading my way because of the leaves on the ground it was a straight line of a wind. The dog notice it and stops with one paw in the air for about 20 seconds starts to bow his head and whimper and tipped toed home he got inside his home and was just starring outside at me. Anyways back to those two men before they left I asked them ” what church they are from”?. They looked at each other and gave me a smirk. My wife and I are having problems because she don’t believe me. It’s been a year since this happened and I’m still searching for answers. Thanks for the information it helped alot.

        • Seksanh

          Your experience sounds a little like that of my friend Scott, who came to my website after he had a “strange” encounter.

          Read his story here:


          He also had an angelic visitation, and the angel told him about the Lord and things to come.

          What I think is happening is the Tribulation is about to occur, and God is doing a quick work in many people to bring them to him. He does not have time to attract people the “slow way.”

          Angels do not have church on earth. They come from heaven.

          Anyhow, my impression is that God is calling you to salvation, and to work for him in the last days. He will also protect you if you obey.

          Stay in touch with me, and let me know about any new experiences or new information you get.

          God bless you.

  31. Interesting about Scotts visitation and the entity giving the name Micah, which is spelt either Mikah [ מכה ] or Michah [ מחה ] with differing meanings.

    • hi jay

      yes, scott’s visitation was interesting. I am still in touch with him. he is still in prayer, waiting and watching as things told to him unfold…

  32. I’m sorry, but I see this completely differently from what you folks are saying, eartrhquakes and such. I’m not sure why anyone is assuming that the land itself will shift in different directions; and as to there being enough land needed to support New Jerusalem – that is a prophecy for the New Earth that is created by God after He obliterates this universe with fire (Revelation 21).

    Let’s look clearly at the Zechariah 14 verses themselves:

    “Then shall the LORD go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle. And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives which is before Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal.”

    It says that the Mount of Olives itself will split by the force and power of Messiah setting foot upon it, and that parts of the MOUNT ITSELF will stretch to different locations. For example, take a fully closed rose bud (representing the Mount of Olives), and you grab the top of the petals on one side and pull the whole chunk of petals so that the tips of them strech back, and then do the same with the petal on the opposite side. THIS is what it says will happen to the Mount of Olives, and the people will rush into the valley that is formed by the splitting of the Mount.

    As to the location of Azal, we must remember that this was a prophecy about the end times – the future. God would not have used this word if it could not be understood by those to whom it was written. So, either Azal is the name of a place that has not yet been revealed or has not yet come into existence, OR, “azal” is not the name of a literal place on the planet but rather it is a measurement. In other words, as Gavriel posted here earlier, it may refer to a specific spacial dimension. For example, it is written that the spilled blood of the enemy armies “shall reach unto the horse’s bridle”. That refers to how high the level of blood will be. Either way, it will be known by those to whom it was written.

    • Thank you. That’s why I believe, even if it was Old Testament, what you’re saying is accurate, and the true leader of the Baha’i Faith is Azal, not Baha’u’llah as the Baha’is claim it to be.

  33. I personally don’t believe that Azal is a place. As a previous Christian (I still believe in Jesus) and a previous Baha’i, I have found that the Baha’i faith is a cult, and their Baha’u’llah is a fake. I believe that Subhe Azal is the true return of Jesus Christ and the Promised One of All Ages. Do some research on that :):)

  34. Interesting, “shall reach the unto the horses bridle.” It appears to be meaning “the slaughtered masses will be so great that the stench from the once oxygenated blood will rise even to the height of the horses nostrils.” I don’t believe it is literal to be blood rising to that height. Also, the term “end times” or “end of days” means there will be no need for recorded history, not the literal end of creation, but that the world will continue to exist under the rule of the Messiah. Even animal sacrifices will continue once again.

    • jay

      good point about the horse’s bridle. otherwise, that is a lot of blood. how to clean that much up…..that would be overwhelming.

  35. Seriously, all of this speculation about Azal is pointless anymore because its location is clearly known. It’s a river/valley (nahal) due south of the Hinnom Valley and the Mount of Olives. Check out what people in Jerusalem have to say about it. Also, search zechariah + azal +yasul for the truth of the matter.

    * “This is the Azel Valley mentioned in Zechariah 14:5 in reference to the earthquake that occurred during King Uzziah’s reign around 760 B.C.” (http://jerusalem-girl.blogspot.com/2010/10/geography-of-jerusalem.html)

    * “At the foot of the ridge is the deep channel of Atzal River (Zechariah 14:5), which advances toward the Kidron Valley. Its Biblical name was preserved by the Arabs as Wadi Yasul.” (http://www.jerusalemsegway.co.il/en-us/armon-hanatziv–background)

    * “[The Jerusalem Peace Forest] was a location of the biblical Azal river mentioned in the book of Zechariah (Zechariah 14:5) (currently only a riverbed is left in place).” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Forest)

    * Wikipedia (Hebrew version): נחל אצל: “Nahal Azal (Arabic: Wadi Yasul) is one of the tributaries of the Kidron Valley southeast of Jerusalem, between the Armon Ha'Natziv ridge and the neighborhood of Abu Tor, near the Peace Forest. … This name originates in the prophet Zechariah’s end-time prophecy, ‘[content of the LXX version of Zechariah 14:4-5]’. The biblical name of the river was preserved by the Arabs as Wadi Yasul.” (http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A0%D7%97%D7%9C_%D7%90%D7%A6%D7%9C)

    * Israel Antiquities Authority, Excavations and Surveys in Israel, Jerusalem, Nahal Azal (http://www.hadashot-esi.org.il/report_detail_eng.asp?id=1941&mag_id=119)

    * Digital Archaeological Atlas of the Holy Land, Site 353104995: Nahal Azal (http://daahl.ucsd.edu/DAAHL/SitesDataView.php?SiteNo=353104995)

  36. Something you can do to verify what I’m saying is true, is use the map in this link – http://daahl.ucsd.edu/DAAHL/SitesDataView.php?SiteNo=353104995 – to see that what Google labels Nahal Etsel is really Nahal Azal. The red dot in the middle of the map in this link marks an archaeological site on the southern bank of Nahal Azal (you can verify this by viewing the Site Name on the right). Yet when you switch to map view on the map, you will see a blue line above it that Google has mistakenly labeled Nahal Etsel.

  37. I’m telling you guy cross my heart hope to die. That I heard gods voice say azal it meant to flee like you said. But it was too late for me my father is Buddhist but practice black magic and when he found out I had the Holy Spirit and a crown on my head and wings on my back he rushed on the freeway 3 hrs away to my house then cast black magic on me and I lost my crown. I saw reflection on my eye glasses and they were serpent eyes. When I felt enlightened I could see rainbows when I close my eyes. Two men knocked on my doors and knew I had the Holy Spirit. One of the men had serpent eyes also. I don’t know how they found me and knew about me. I emailed 20/20 the television and they want a full page story on it but I need people who knows more about subject azal so I don’t look like a fool. I told them I’m willing to do a lie detector test before and on the show. See people I was suppose to be an apostle but I’ve sinned by letting my father cast black magic on me so god took the Holy Spirit back. My father said it himself he does black magic. I regret what I’ve done..I cry everyday ever since this happen in 2012. God uses serpents to show his power like Moses did. I found that out doing some research because I’m new to Christianity.

    • dear Seksanh

      Your father has no power to remove the holy spirit from you….he is lying about this.

      when you are approached by serpent people, rebuke them in the name of jesus and command them to leave.

      tell them you are covered by the blood of jesus and they cannot hurt you.

      I am sending you some prayers against witchcraft, since your father is bothering you.

      also some prayers to help make you stronger.

      print them out, modify to fit your situation and then say them each day.

      you are going to be ok….just don’t believe lies of evil people….believe the truth of the word of god.

  38. Zechariah 14 is for the most part metaphorical.

  39. Azal , Is what happens inside of you spiritually when you are born of the Spirit. This is what happened to Elisha and others who did not go by the way of the grave. It is a transformation of the physical body becoming a glorified body .The meaning of Azal – to go away.

    • I should clarify that I meant in the above statement,the birth and transformation of the Soul and Spirit into a Glorified Body. Bless you for seeking His Truth.

      • When I heard a loud booming voice say azal I felt enlightenment. I can feel my energy shedding like a serpent and felt wings on my back. I had a crown of life but lost it like Saul.

  40. Google has corrected its mistaken labeling of Nahal Azal as Nahal Etsel. Azal is now clearly visible on Google Maps: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=%2831.761012906763202,+35.2311372756958%29

  41. This might help you. From

    During the period from 1873-74, Charles Clermont-Ganneau, a renowned linguist and archaeologist in Palestine, explored many tombs in a valley immediately south of Jerusalem that the local Arab peasants called Wadi Yâsûl (wadi is the Arabic word for river or valley). Based on linguistic evidence and its proximity to Jerusalem, Clermont-Ganneau proposed that Wadi Yâsûl is Azal:

    “But, as with so many other Arabic topographical words, we may very likely have here an ancient geographical name … most [bible] commentators agree in regarding [Azal] as a place situated not far from Jerusalem, but otherwise unknown. May we not find it at Yâsûl, whose name agrees with it letter for letter?”

    In apparent agreement with Clermont-Ganneau’s discovery, Israeli authorities named the valley in Hebrew, נחל אצל (Nahal Azal); nahal (נחל) means river, or valley, and the Hebrew spelling of Azal (אצל) is the same as Azal (אצל) in Zechariah 14:5. Nahal Azal (Azal River/Valley) is the official Hebrew name given to Wadi Yasul by the Israel Government Names Committee in 1955 in accordance with its policy of naming biblical geographical locations according to their biblical spelling (e.g., Azal) rather than their Hebrew pronunciation (e.g., Atzal, the Hebrew pronunciation of Azal).

    Consequently, it is now common knowledge in Jerusalem that Wadi Yasul/Nahal Azal is biblical Azal.

    • dear laura

      thank you. that really helped….i wish google would put it on a map.

      • They have – https://maps.google.com/maps?q=%2831.761012906763202,+35.2311372756958%29

        FWIW, Until April 2014, Google mistakenly labeled Nahal Azal in English, Nahal Etsel. This error was due to the erroneous association of אצל (Azal) with the similarly spelled אצ”ל (IZL; pronounced etsel), which is the acronym for the Irgun military organization (also called Etzel) that violently opposed the British Mandate government (1920-47) headquartered at Government House atop the southern ridge of Nahal Azal. This ridge was named Mount Azal (הר אצל) in 1990 by the Israel Government Names Committee; however, since a number of streets near Government House are named in honor of אצ”ל (Etzel) members, some locals call the ridge Mount Etsel (הר אצ”ל; http://www.haaretz.co.il/opinions/letters/1.1695514), and (by association from its geographic proximity and similar Hebrew spelling) the watershed it overlooks to the north, Nahal Etsel. So whoever compiled Google’s original map data for this area used, for Wadi Yasul, a local nickname derived from mistaken association (Nahal Etsel), rather than its official Hebrew name (Nahal Azal). There is a comment above this one by Wesley Smith that states Azal is where the UN headquarters is. That is almost exactly correct; Gov’t House became the current UN hdqtrs, and the mountain that it sits upon was later named Mount Azal. The Azal referred to by Zechariah, though, is the valley this mountain borders on the south.

        • zechariahfourteenfive

          reading the portions for high holidays, I came across the transliteration of the word……Etzel….so that would match….a little

          e instead of a

          but it seems it would refer to a place at that time, and not a place named after a modern personality.?

          • The reason Google had Nahal Etsel instead of Nahal Azal was because they received the wrong information. This was confirmed to me by an archaeologist who is responsible for cataloging archaeological sites in Israel. Once Google was notified of the error, they corrected it. The Haaretz letter to the editor that I linked to in my above comment was written by ‘Yehuda Ziv, who heads the Government Names Committee’s subcommittee for community names, and is considered one of the leading experts in Israel in the field’. It explains how Mt Azal is also called Mt Etsel by some for the reason I mentioned. By extension this usage was also applied to the adjoining valley. Unfortunately, the letter is in Hebrew, so you’ll either have to take my word for it, or run it through an online translator.

            As an interesting sidenote, the letter explains the difference between the Hill of Evil Council and the Hill of Evil Counsel. The latter name (Counsel) is considered by Christendom to be the southern ridge of the Hinnom Valley (neighborhood of Abu Tor). It gets its name from the evil counsel of leaders who conspired to crucify Christ and the belief that that hill is where the priests used to live or hold counsel. The fact that the Caiaphas ossuary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caiaphas_ossuary) was found on that hill in Nahal Azal lends some credence to that belief. The former name (Council) is considered by Jews to be the next ridge south (Mt Azal, the southern ridge of Nahal Azal). It is named thus because the UN headquarters is located there and consequent association with the UN Security Council that Israel views negatively.

  42. I seem to think that this is where the remnant of Israel will take refuge in the tribulation, otherwise also known as Petra or Bozrah.

  43. There is also the prophecy of Jerusalem being split in 3 sections which has to be considered.. For there maybe be valleys to water to run in there.. Just a thought

    • bret

      there are already 3 valleys there, and after the split, there will be another one, or two….so this might be a “future place” that is not on the map yet. 🙂

  44. Stop fooling yourselves! They’re final stop was in Africa. They fled over the ATLAS MOUNTAINS. . . Bottom line. And was delivered to a New Egypt (AMERICA) by way of SHIPS. I am a Freemason, so I know that America is “spiritual” Egypt! Look at the back of a dollar bill. Or go to the Nations Capital! WHO ELSE WAS PUT ON SHIPS AND SOLD AS SLAVES?

  45. Thank you Lord!

    Nice to read a reply from a Mason.

    The largest monument to the Beast is within Washington DC.

    The GW Monument is 555ft (6660 inches) in height and 55ft (666 inches) x 55ft (666 inches) at the base, forming a pagan Egyptian obelisk. 666, yes indeed.

    Did you know that the height of the rebuilt World Trade Center complex of buildings (post 9/11) is 6660 feet?

    We’re in the belly of the Beast.

    Babylon (Rev. 18) that great city is NYC.

    The Church overcomes and endures until He returns. Rev. 12:11 applies in these last days.

    Best to put on the Armor of Light in the soon coming days of darkness just as the foreshadowing event with the Israelites in Egypt (“world”). We are children of the light (Thess. 5:5), yes?


    Rev. 12:11

    • Why are you spreading misinformation?

      55ft is not 666 inches. It is 660 inches. The base of the Washington Monument is actually 661.5 x 661.5 inches. Hardly 666.

      6660 is not the same as 666.

      The World Trade Center complex isn’t 6660 ft.

      Nothing but garbage and lies.

    • Rev 18 is Tyre.

      Isaiah 23,
      Ezekiel 26, 27, 28,
      Joel 3:4,
      Mathew 11:21,
      Luke 10:14

  46. Zechariahfourteenfive,

    Truth is hidden in plain sight.

    GW Monument:

    6660 inches is 666 x 10.

    This capstone is very impressive, measuring 55.5 feet in hight.

    55 and 1/2 feet. Do the math.

    55 feet is 660 inches.

    .5 feet is 6″

    The capstone on the largest Egyptian pagan obelisk in the world has a capstone that is 666″ in height – giving honor to G. Washington, “Father” of this first Masonic nation.

    Here’s a brief accounting of the WTC towers:


    Yes, the sum of the WTC building heights is 6660 feet.

    666 feet x 10.


    Who is the father of lies?

    They honor demonic spirits and the Beast (666) as they receive light from Lucifer.

    “They encourage themselves in an evil matter; They talk of laying snares secretly; They say, ‘Who will see them?’

    They devise iniquities: ‘We have perfected a shrewd scheme.’

    Both the inward thought and the heart of man are deep” (Psalm 64:5-6).


    Isis, Horus and Seth are the demonic gods of GW and the Masons who founded this nation.

    Their god is revealed within the Great Seal (thank you Ben Franklin) and printed upon the Dollar (thank you Fed Reserve Bank). Their god is Horus.

    Please – reply and comment.

    Psalm 27

    • Again you’re just spewing garbage. The total height of the monument is 6665.125 inches, not 6660 inches. The width of the pyramidion (what, I guess, you are calling the capstone) is 55 ft, not 55 ft 6 inches.

      More importantly, though, why are you spamming the comments section with something that has nothing to do with the original post?

  47. Zech,

    Spewing garbage?

    No Zech. Try again.

    As in the real world, perfection is not always possible in the final form, but if it’s close, we can get the message.

    I bet if you measured the hight of the One World Tower (1776 feet) – you would find its +/- a few inches. The archetectural design purpose is 1776.


    Here is a quality source on the Egyptian pagan obelisk erected in the National Mall (pun intended). Those Masons are so clever with symbolism.

    “The 555-foot-high marble obelisk was first proposed in 1783, and Pierre L’Enfant (French Freemason) left room for it in his designs for the new U.S. capital.

    After George Washington’s death in 1799, plans for a memorial for the “father of the country” were discussed, but none were adopted until 1832–the centennial of Washington’s birth.”


    The general, accepted demintions of the G. W. Monument structure is what’s important just as in the One World Tower (1776).

    This is not garbage Zech. It’s more symbolic.

    666 is built into the obelisk – a large monument to George become he’s the father of the county.

    Again, the top has very exact measurements – 666 is in fine detail.

    The Pyramidian (the very top or capstone of the G.W. Monument) is 55.5 feet as measured by the National Park Service.


    55.5 feet is 55 ft 6 inches.

    55.5 feet is 666″ atop the pagan Egyptian obelisk in the Nation’s Mall.

    It is an obelisk for a reason. Isis, Seth and Horus are significant to Masons like George, Ben, James and the founding fathers.


    That word reads like ~ rejection with a tone of marginalizing my post.

    I did provided a reference link, explaining the World Trade Center complex is collectively 6660 feet.

    The project is built with intentional design by a very accomplished team of architects paid by the real estate developer (Rockefeller).


    Ever studied at the Great Seal of the US, designed by Ben Franklin (33 degree Mason)?

    What does the Great Seal say in Latin?

    What is this symbol – a pagan styled mini-pyramid of 13 steps with Horus’s all seeing eye floating in the Pyramidain?

    Honestly, are you a Mason of some degree?

    I was hoping to converse with a Mason. Someone of intelligence, stature and enlighten.


    • a mason is someone of intelligence, stature and enlighten?

      • Sure they are.

        They are enlighten by a powerful source.

        They have a reputation for holding high political office or business executive leadership positions (stature).

        They pride themselves on being in excellent standing as serious members of their community (Chamber, Lyons, etc).

        They have a reputation for earring degrees – highly educated at the college/university level, holding advances degrees with letters after their name. Many are lawyers, architects, CPAs and some are theologians.

        They are some of the most interesting men in the world.

        Ben Franklin, George Washington and Layette are their ideal role models.

        Maybe I can dialogue with one without shaking hands.

        Psalm 64

        • dj

          they are also godless.

          you can find educated christians.

          I am one.

        • Nuts.

          My thumb on this iPad keyboard missed the earnings and jumped on earring in my last reply.

          A high degree Mason would not let that happen. Bad form, indicating that I’m not striving, working the craft to perfection.

          Their craft is evident in the details of the Fed Reserve notes too.

          I just don’t measure up (upside down).

          Isaiah 29:15-16

  48. You an Eastern Star?

  49. That’s not an answer to my question. You gave me a question and links.


    Yes, the Eastern Star is known by non-members as a cult.

    This is like a game show – To Tell the Truth with Bud Collyer.

    “Marianna, what is your answer?

    Please, audience. She needs to say yes or no to the question.

    Marianne, are you a member of Eastern Star?”

    I’m tired – been a long day.

    Thank for playing.

  50. Micha 1:11 “bethazel” house of axel’
    East of Jerusalem

  51. I left this observation of Azal here today https://zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/azal-a-longtime-mystery-rediscovered/#comments

    Dear Author/WebMaster of Zechariah Fourteen Five,

    First of all I would like to commend you for the amount of work you have put into this project.
    Nothing else on the web comes close!

    I sincerely hope persons and institutions will see the sad grasp of Dispensationalism and Zionism on Christendom through the fabled use of Zechariah 14.

    In reading through both the condensed and original versions of your study may I please be permitted to make an observation that came to mind.

    It concerns a possible origin of the naming for the location for Azal. I couldn’t help but think its resemblance to Azazel and the scapegoat used on the annual Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur).

    I propose, granted without much study at this point, that Azal could be so named because it was observed in ancient times that’s where the annual scapegoat wandered too including nearby Mount of Corruption. Certainly curious that some areas outside the walls has by tradition (despite the Judeans spiritual state from Solomon to Christ leading to their desolation) have names meaning “evil” and “corruption” including the concept of “escaping” or removing. Granted high places were also set up around those parts in ancient times.

    This site explains the two lots – haShem for the Lord and haAzazel – not for the Lord i.e. for Azazel or to Azazel http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Parashah/Summaries/Acharei_Mot/Scapegoat/scapegoat.html

    Lev 16:21 – “And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send [him] away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:”

    Could it be that “wilderness” be south of the Temple Mount as that area is not incumbent once outside the Temple Mount for the goat to have to be led through the city itself? Much easier after an annual Yom Kippur service to let it loose to the wilderness to the south.

    To me the whole thing is symbolic, poor goat, but required by obedience by God before Christ. I do not think the animal itself suffered (unlike the first one that was sacrificed) from post Yom Kippur traumatic disorders so to speak with all the sins and guilt of Israel upon it. He probably baa’d a few times and wondered what the hell was going on. Now as a goat shooed off where would I go? Well not too far I suppose. Somewhere near water, food and rocky outcroppings as goats do. And preferably just beyond the reach of any persons so as to be chained or penned again. Thus the goat’s mental compass probably wouldn’t go north back towards the city. As to whether locals eventually claimed said annual goat in the southern areas beyond the Temple Mount and whether they knew or not it or believed in the ritual goat is another matter.

    Some wordplay http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=scapegoat

    Some Jewish legends have it that the goat for Azazel wandered and eventually fell into a pit which could be a ravine in the area in question. e.g. “Over the other [goat] the High Priest confessed the sins of the nation and it was then taken away into the desert hills outside Jerusalem where it plunged to its death.” Source http://www.rabbisacks.org/the-scapegoat-shame-and-guilt-achrei-mot-kedoshim-5775/

    I somehow doubt this is akin to the NT account of the demon possessed pigs as found in Luke 8:33. Scripture appears to make no mention of what happened to the second ritual goat other than for it to be led into the wilderness and set free. Thus I think it a Jewish fable for a so called depressed goat to plunge itself into a pit or jump off a cliff and is only spoken about as such to support the Yom Kippur tradition.

    Aforementioned site also mentions three possibilities for the term “to Azazel” first being a geographical location. Second being the name of a demon and/or also implying transferred possession or that Azazel/devil type would receive the demons/sins being sent back. Third being ez – “goat” and azal “sent away”.

    So the ancient location so named Azal could very well be where annual scapegoats usually wandered to.
    I have just found this at https://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/03-leviticus/text/articles/feinberg-lev16scapegoat-bs.htm

    “As for the conclusion of the ritual Volck informs us: “According to the Talmudic tractate, Yoma, the high
    priest, knew by a sort of telegraphic communication between Jerusalem and the wilderness,–the waving of
    cloths by set watchers, at regular distances, whether and when the goat arrived in the wilderness, as was
    necessary, for the other sacrifices were not to be offered until it arrived there (Lev. 16:23-24)” (W. Volck,
    “Azazel,” in Schaff-Herzog, Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, I, 183)”

    Author Volck appears to say that at a certain juncture during the Yom Kippur service that all other services were place on hold until the scapegoat was observed to have arrived at a specific point in the wilderness to which point the then active service and other services to be performed that day were resumed.

    Whether this point was so named Azal so as to be consistent at each annual service could possibly be so. Rituals demand repetition, consistency and continuation. Thus at some point in Israelite history during First and Second Temple periods a point just outside Jerusalem in the wilderness, possibly south and away from the people may have been designated as “Azal” to be the same point being watched. “Escape to” and “sent to” seem to fit the description.

    I seem to recall your site saying Azal couldn’t be seen from the Temple Mount – so a high priest officiating the services could not himself see the point in question thus the employment of watchers waving cloths at regular intervals along the ground to indicate when the scapegoat had arrived at that point.

    The term in Zechariah 14 “shall reach unto Azal” appears to describe certain geological upheavals taking place to a geological point which was well known in Zechariah’s day. By such reference and known location the term “Azal” as was known in ancient Israelite history could possibly be the same point where the scapegoat of Yom Kippur arrived.

    Alex Young

    I would like to make a further addition to the above, When Lev 16 was instituted there was no Temple only a tent of Tabernacles which I understand was set up in various locations. Thus “wilderness” then before the First and Second Temple periods may also have varied. It is less certain in that time period when a certain geographical point to watch when “the removed” scapegoat had arrived to was chosen. The requirement for consistency of tradition and the geological point and naming of such a point may have and obviously did become known later either during the First or Second Temple periods and which may have been called “Azal”.

    • C. Feinberg author of Leviticus Sixteen https://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/03-leviticus/text/articles/feinberg-lev16scapegoat-bs.htm who quoted Volck above goes on to say in an etymological discussion about the related term “Azazel” being goat that was sent away that Azazel itself could refer to a geological location but then quoted another author that at least by1958 at the time of publication – “No specific place or locality has been offered by any advocates of this view (Westminster Dictionary of the Bible p. 52; cf. W. Moeller, op. cit., p. 343).

      His etymological discussion also considered the term “Azazel” to be a thing, person, or an abstraction. On page 332 of that document he states “Azalzel is an active participle or participial noun, derived ultimately from azal (connected with the Arabic word azala, and meaning removed), but immediately from the reduplicate form of that verb, azazal.”

      Feinberg continues:

      “The reduplication of the consonants of the root in Hebrew and Arabic gives the force of repetition, so that while azal means removed, azalzal means removed by repetition of acts. Azalzel, or azazel, therefore, means one who removes by a series of acts.”. . .

      Thus there is the action of being removed and the repetition of the action. Anything that is “removed” is a translocation. The scapegoat was led out a specific point in the wilderness each year and by repetition over time a point was so named and entered into human consciousness as knowledge and in the case of Zechariah perhaps so naming said repetitious geological point into the historical record, And the repetition of the same act being Yom Kippur itself. Both terms and other similar derivatives for “azal” appear to be related surrounding the history of Yom Kippur including where the scapegoat was removed to..

      Thus at this point I feel somewhat more vindicated in my observation of the possible relationship between the scapegoat of Yom Kippur and the location as described at this site as Azal.

  52. Azal in all probabiltiy is south east of the Temple mount. Also, the Mount of Olives splitting, there is an tectonic fault line running from south to north through it, which corresponds to an earthquake activity in Zech. account.

  53. It’s more confusing on here than just reading the bible. It says the Mount of Olives will be split westards and eastwards. Half goes to the north and half to the south creating a valley and way of escape. Jerusalem doesn’t get split from my reading of it. That it is split all the way east to Azal makes Azal on the mount of Olives to the east.

    • tony

      jerusalem is split by implication. it is directly west of the mount of olives.
      so azal is east.

      the earthquake will destroy the temple mount and the mosque on there.

  54. I’m just sticking to the text Marianne. It only says the mount of Olives shall be split, not that Jerusalem shall be split as well. It also doesn’t mention that it will done by an earthquake. I am finding these additions confusing to the plain text.

    • tony

      it depends on how one interprets the split.

      if the split itself if east west, then it would split jerusalem, which is at the base of the mount.

      if the split is actually north south, ,which forces half of the land to go east, and the other half to go west, then jerusalem would be spared.

  55. We know that it is east to west. The reason for it is for a remnant of the Jews to escape not to be clobbered where they are in Jerusalem. Do you not think that God is able to be precise in this?

    • tony

      see these images

      i have stood on the mount of olives…there is no way to split the mount eat to west or vis versa and avoid jerusalem

      the mount is just outside the old city and they are side by side about the same size.

      possibly, if the E-W split was on the far north end, it could disrupt the muslim quarter only, but …..

      that is just the old city…the new city is there also outside of it, and that would be disrupted also

      but if the land was split north south, one half of the land would move east nd the other half would move west.

      see images in post

      this would preserve the temple mount

      just my thoughts….

  56. I don’t know why the land would split north south Marianne. It looks as if some buildings would be affected but I still think Jerusalem proper would not be touched if the whole object of it is to make an escape route for a remnant of the Jews.

  57. All very interesting Marianne but I am not a geologist and am just trying to stick to the text as that is God’s word. If the Mount of Olives is split from east to west as the scripture says I don’t see why I have to add to it. The rift you mention is north to south or vice versa. Why should splitting the little old Mount of Olives affect this? You might be putting reason above scripture perhaps? There will be a war going on at the time and the millenium will start. There will be a river running from the temple to the Med and the Dead Sea bringing life. Why should that get messed up if God doesn’t want it to? I really want to learn what the bible says and not get sidetracked by geology unless it confirms scripture. I know it is all very interesting but I don’t find it relevant to the scripture and need to grasp the realities of the simple word.

    • tony

      we have different interpretations, so I will only try one more time.

      what I am saying is not against the bible.

      and the bible will be consistent with what god created there

      the mount of olives is only about 7 miles from the CENTER of the fault line I mentioned. not sure how WIDE the fault is underground

      with my interpretation there can be both a east west movement and a north south movement, as described in the bible

      but a east west movement only will cut through the city of jerusalem for sure

  58. Really you are getting me into a geological thing when I am simply interested in the scriptures. For me it is a sidetrack coming out of your geological knowledge and reasoning. I thought this was a prophetic site but I am finding that your geological stuff is clouding what I am reading. Sorry.

    • tony

      god created everything….bible, science, geology, and he uses all things to accomplish his purpose

      I did not mean to overload you. I was just discussing the topic.

      I like people to think about what is said in the bible., that’s all.

      I am a scientist, so I think this is interesting

      just take a map of jerusalem, and the mount of olives, and look at what a east west split would do on the map.

  59. I see it on the miracle level Marianne not the natural. Jesus is making a way for a remnant of the Jews to escape through the supernaturally created valley as prophesied. To allow Jerusalem to split in half as well would appear to defeat the object of the miracle in my mind. He is helping them not bringing an earthquake on them.

  60. Well it will be the second coming and the day of the Lord which is prophesied in lots of places. The supernatural is natural to Him although He doesn’t waste it as He has made the natural as well.

  61. You’re believing a myth, Tony. The version of Zechariah 14:5 that you think is the word of GOD is corrupted. What Zechariah really said was preserved in the Septuagint (LXX).

    Cyril of Alexandria, Patriarch of Alexandria, wrote that he had been told that Azal was a town at the far point of the Mount of Olives. Those who told him that knew what they were talking about because that is exactly where the mouth of Azal River/Valley is located, i.e., at the far SOUTHERN point of the mountain.

    There is too much evidence to dispute that Azal is south of Jerusalem. Search internet for Azal + Yasul for the proof.

  62. Concept: after the quake or splitting, could the measure of the depth of the valley be comparably equal to the height of the mountain????

    May sound stupid, maybe not???

    Agree with everyone who goes by Biblical text, not adding to or taking away from it for solution to the prophecy.

    God can do what ever, how ever and when ever He desires. Who are we to be like Job and try to question God?

  63. Azal means “to go (up)”.

    In Zechariah 14 the Lord, instead of splitting an ocean, splits a mountain to provide a route of escape for His people.

    “Thus the Lord my God will come
    and all the saints with Him”

    Azal, rather than being a place on a map, may be a point or condition of departure. A catching away.

  64. AZAL????
    When Christ stands on Mt. Olive and splits the ground from sea to sea east and west one can bet base on scripture input it will go 5 miles north and 5 miles south with Jerusalem as the center point. Azal would have to be somewhere 5 miles north of Jerusalem. The reason for this split is to not only bury the dome of the rock which is Satan’s tabernacle that scriptures said that Satan would put on the holy Mt., it also creates a 10-mile-wide river from Bethlehem to the place where Azal once was. This river will connect the Mediterranean Sea to the Dead Sea. There will be a city on each side of this river. New Jerusalem will come down and set where Bethlehem is and later on during the last millennium as the earth repopulates from a major reboot by Christs 2nd Coming there will be a city rise up on the north side of this river where the two men lay dead in the street for 3 days at the end of the millennium.
    By the way it looks as if we only have only about 7 years left from 2018 and we will see all this come to pass. Some will be viewing from on the earth and some in the clouds with Christ, so we best get ourselves sanctified and loose everything that we have been justifying in our lives, because we wanted the worldly ways instead of God way in our everyday lives. We are reminded to Remember Lots wife it says and also the 5 foolish virgins that didn’t have time to tone up before the door was shut. It takes time to get rid of bad habits and to sanctify one’s self. People listening to these worthless preachers telling them that they can do anything they want which includes divorce and remarriage and still be a servant of God will defiantly get the ground view when this earth gets rebooted by Christ.

    Ron Webster

  65. The letter kills but spirit gives life. Jesus said my word is spirit. Mount of Olives represents Gods people. The mountain of olives splitting represents cutting out the branchs of unbelief . I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people. I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: The mountain splits east and toward the west. There is a very great valley . It is called the the valley of the mountains. the largest tallest mountain ranges in the world are in a deep valley covered by the water of the Atlantic ocean. Thus the name valley of the mountains Then the people of God represented by half the mountain moving west is represented by behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. The valley of the mountains reaches unto Azal [Azal = “proximity: he has reserved] it location remains unknown. Thus the name proximity: he has reserved. [not any more ?maybe!] Then the it says half of the mountain will be in the north and half in the south. following the coordinates 31 37 22 50 west from the mountain of olives you will be in the state of georgia of united states of america . Then the bible says half of the mountain will be in the north and half in the south . going north from the state of georgia you will end up in massachusets . This is the 13 colonies. The mountain is the people of God a christian nation spread out in a land from south to north. And the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee .God shall come to america and all the saints with him unto a nation that was not called by my name But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. Israel is 7 hours ahead of Boston, MA Sunset in Israel is 6:13 PM thus night in isreal.but it would be 11:30 am in boston thus the sun is shining at night because the Lord moved his people. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. Whoever believes in me, as jesus has said, rivers of living water will flow. THE living waters are the people flowing spreading out. half of them toward the hinder sea [ hebrew 314 specifically (as facing the east) western is the hinder sea. And then half of them toward the former sea, the hebrew for former 6931 and means of place) oriental:—ancient, they that went before, east] thus on the east side the atlantic ocean and on the west the pacific ocean. and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away .the children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell . From 13 colonies to 50 states. Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the nations, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet;

  66. 2 Samuel 7 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, reaches its zenith with David reaches its zenith with David .yet God says i will plant them in a place of their own.Isaiah 62 You shall no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall your land any more be termed Desolate: but you shall be called Hephzibah, and your land Beulah: for the LORD delights in you, and your land shall be married.

    5For as a young man marries a virgin, so shall your sons marry you: and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall your God rejoice over you. God your land shall be married.as a young man marries a virgin . the land is virgin land. the land of america undiscovered virgin land.

  67. may dwell in a place of their own,

  68. Just a quick glance at a map shows Qumran to be almost directly east of Jerusalem. The valley formed by the splitting of the Mount of Olives (east to west according to Nehemiah) would almost lead straight eastward to Qumran. Qumran is where the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. It’s a little further from Jerusalem than many of the other sites that have been proposed to be Biblical Azal. But when the people take flight from Jerusalem, they might have to get far away because of a nuclear or biological attack against the city. The caves that preserved the word of God for nearly two thousand years might also preserve the people of God when the events of the end times begin to unfold. Just a theory.

  69. I’ve lined the prophesy in Zechariah with Azazel’s imprisonment.
    I don’t through much searching find Yahweh The Most High Elohim.
    I believe Yahweh will open the pit where Azazel is held and that this deity will bring about the apocalypse from the Mount of Olives.

  70. I think it may be in the city of petra where a place that the lord have prepared for his people during the persecution that is to come during the great tribulation..

    • jose

      that is an interesting interpretation

    • I think this is close or spot on Jose and Marianne. I have looked up the word before and it means to the place appointed. We know from Daniel 11 where that appointed place is and Petra is included in that place although that place is much larger. I believe the mountain valley will be much higher up on the map, closer to the Jerusalem/Jericho area and stretch across to the place given to us in Daniel. May we be accounted worthy to escape all these things coming and to be able to stand before the Son of Man. May our flight not take place in winter or on the sabbath day. Blessings in our Savior, Yeshua.

  71. Azal is a Spiritual place, aka New Jerusalem. Zechariah 14 is the day of the Lord, same as Revelation 19. The Tabernacle of God is over Israel. God’s gone to build an Ark for His people to take us to NEW HEAVEN. Sounds crazy, but read it! The bible is crazy, but l still believe because of the SPIRIT. John 3

  72. The New Jerusalem descends to Earth after the White Throne Judgement not during the Millenium! Check out Revelation Chapter 21 v 2 for confirmation.

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