Woman on Eagles Wings

During Jacob’s trouble, there is a massive evacuation of the Jews, who are carried into the wilderness, while a remnant, most likely the IDF- military, are left behind to fight.

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The rescue effort

Israel is rescued taken by eagles wings into the wilderness during the tribulation.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The “earth” helps her when Satan spews out a flood against her.

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

This remnant is seen clearly in Zechariah. The Lord saves the tents of Judah first, then the rest of the Israeli remnant second.

Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify [themselves] against Judah.

Zec 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

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So where does Israel really getting this help? Where is the wilderness?

Option #1

The traditional thinking points to Petra, because it is nearby. I do not think all of Israel will fit in it, however.

Think about it. Petra, Jordan is still really close to Israel.

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Option #2

There is much discussion about the fall of America, and how it will not be around during the tribulation.

But, maybe it really is around.

America is falling right now, and is headed for a collapse, just like every other nation on earth. America has harmed Israel, and it deserves this punishment.

America might end up a wilderness after a civil or national war.

But suppose it is not over yet for America.

Suppose it has one more job to do for God, before the saints are taken away.

Suppose it redeems itself by helping Israel.

Half of the Jews in the world already live in America.

Just suppose…….that the “eagles wings” refer to the greatest airlift in the history of the world.

Just suppose…….that the “eagles wings” refer to the eagle, symbol of America.

America may have fallen, but it is still there, and its “wilderness” opens itself to Israel in a national act of redemption.

America “swallows up the flood” poured out by the serpent.

A massive airlift of the Israeli citizens occurs to bring them to the “wilderness” of America.

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Option # 3

Some escape to Petra, and some escape to America.

Those in America will help the Israelis find refuge.

The Israeli military remains behind to fight.

Once the Messiah shows up to rescue those in Jerusalem, everyone is free to return home.

What do you think?


111 Responses to “Woman on Eagles Wings”

  1. I thought the same thing regarding the eagles’ wings being America..

  2. I agree, its America, although some may also escape to Petra. In revelation, Jerusalem is the woman the harlot of Babylon, and she shall have an airlift I believe.

  3. The woman in Revelation 12 is a church – God’s church – his true (remnant) church.
    Judaism is no longer His church. That changed when the “man-child (Jesus) was born in Revelation 12:5:
    Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.
    She is not a city and not the Jews.
    Revelation 12 is completed, not future prophecy. The woman (true church) was protected from the Holy Roman Empire and its pagan practices by meeting in caves high up in the mountains of Europe (where eagles nest). They were heavily persecuted by the popes throughout the reign of the Holy Roman Empire.
    These churches are now free to spread the prophetic word before Christ returns.

    Only Zechariah (Old Testament) refers to the jews. He does not refer to a woman, so he does not mean a church.

    These two prophecies are completely different and should not be mixed together.

    • hi James

      In your viewpoint, how does the church woman give birth to Jesus, when Jesus chronologically preceded her, and he actually gave birth to her?

      • The woman with 12 stars has a dual meaning. She begins as Judaism where the stars represent the 12 tribes. She gives birth to the messiah and she becomes Christians, with the stars representing the 12 apostles.
        You must remember that the “church” is simply God’s true people. Were not the apostles Jewish? Weren’t they the new church? The Jews were all supposed to believe that their messiah had come, in which case Judaism would simply have evolved into messianic Judaism.
        But that didn’t happen and there was a split, but the true church stayed with the Jewish disciples and evolved into Christianity, picking up Roman paganism in the process, unfortunately.
        So now the two religions are different and separate and for the most part, neither are the true church.
        Messianic Jews are probably as close to the original apostolic church that you can find today with a few Christian exceptions, all of them sabbath-keepers of course, as were the Jews that started the new church.
        This is what the Book of Revelation is all about – how the new church was born but then went pagan (except for the remnant) and will have to be corrected before Christ returns to marry it. He will not accept any pagan practices in His bride, including Sunday worship, celebrating Christmas and Easter etc. It all has to go. Do you think you could talk Him into keeping these things?
        If so you need to give us all a script so we can help you convince him.
        And just imagine how much church crap the Catholics are going to have to explain and justify. They are the whore, but they have many harlot daughters.
        They will all be cleansed before His return.
        Its all about the church, not any countries. Revelation 12 is history, not future. It is fulfilled prophecy. It was partially fulfilled when John wrote it. He needed to tell it as a precursor to the rest of the prophecy which is also almost completely fulfilled.
        But like the Jews of Jesus’ time, most Christians have missed all this. I hope that many of you have not.

        • Actually, how I came to those those assumption is because, I found out that the shape of Norway land is look alike a horse, like Perseus who has a flying horse, Pegasus to help Andromeda, Baldr also has a horse.
          And about the eagle, look at the continent of America, doesn’t it look like a flying eagle?
          Just to warn you, guys… The later ancient text of Indonesia, made about 1350 mentioned an eagle incubates half of Nusantara (the name for Sundaland archipelagies contained hundreds of kingdoms, tich kingdoms on earth, that is now known as Republic of Indonesia).

          And then, look at the shape of Sundaland archipelago, and then the Carribean Sea islands. The Sundaland look a like a whole boat, while the Carribean Sea islands look like half of the boat, that is the western part of Sundaland.

          The ancient text mentioned about the visit of a priest from Rome who comes to teach about the teaching of The Saint (Ki Ajar, Aki is an honour title for Knowledgable man but also a grandpa or old man, and Ajar is the base word for the word Sience).

          So, I think really that the eagle, the holy bird of Nusantara and Hindu has playing a big role in the bible verse about the woman with the eagle’s wing.

          Remember about the eagle who comes from the the east to plant vineyards and then must come back to where its belong after bounch of harvest, because the owner of the vineyard became arrogant and greedy and drunkers and even want to have it all? Please, look that up too, if you don’t get offended by my nescience to tell in a beter way about it.

      • It’s kind of hard to tell you, guys… This woman could be Savitr, a devi in Hindu myth, like Nenna the goddess of Moon in Norge deity, they afe both identical to facing serpent. Savitri sharing attribute with Agni and Indra the deva of thunder. While Baldr with Hodr fought for the love of Nenna. Maybe same with Perseus with Phinus who fought for the love of Andromeda, also she is tied up on the beach bybthe ninty nine nymps and facicg sea serpent. The funny thing is Indonesia myth seems closer to the Norge, but has higher moral value, that Dayang Sumbi married a cursed deva who turned to be a dog, and they have a son Sang Kuriang, who kill the dog and expelled by the mother. When the son become very powerful and destined to meet again with his mother who by having a knowlegde like kennings to stay young, they both fall in love. To prevent this the mother ask him to make a hard condition as for the honeymoon, that is to provide a lake and build a boat in 1 night. Before the sunrise, the mother is terrified and flash her scarf to the sky, that the sky brighten, and the chickens crow because they thought the morning comes and so the sun rises. Sang Kuriang angry and kicked the boat upside down.

        This is the event where two men will be fighting in the field, one is taken, the other left. And two woman will be grinding hand mill, one is taken, the other left. This is the sign of the Revival of Jesus to the earth. The event is setted in the meeting of West and East. Whe mentioned, that after the seven plagues poured from Heaven, the earth is preparing the coming of the King of East. This is so well known, by the Hindu faith, the King of East will come, as the sign of journey of the earth is fullfiled.

        My assumption with all these, is just like Baldr who has a very big boat and set to sea carrying his pyre, and Sang Kuriang upside down boat could be the sign of end of the day. The sign that the sun will rise in the west. Where since that time, the unfaithfull faith will no longer benefit anybody even themselves. It is the close of the cycle, since they don’t fit life anymore.

        Last month I have read that the sun rises in the west of planet Mars and when one planet do that, the other planets also earth will do the same. Please look uo for this yourself if you don’t find it comfortable even if this is relevant.

    • the real congregation is not the gentiles who eat pig, worship x-mas trees, and follow the pope instilled sun-day worship. The true remnant is those TORAH observant Messianic followers of YESHUA “jesus”. The disgusting picture of the woman with most of her boosom exposed in the artwork of this page is like the church. thinking they have the truth but have none. The churches transgression make ancient Israels look like nothing. http://www.bethgoyim.org for the truth.

      • Dear Messianic rabbi Andrew

        I agree with a lot of what you say, but I do not understand how you could view the picture of the woman presented as “disgusting.” I chose this picture because she looked modest, spiritual, gentle, and beautiful. Her bosom is covered. Maybe you are looking too hard.

      • Messianic Rabbi Andrew stated: “The disgusting picture of the woman with most of her boosom exposed in the artwork of this page is like the church. thinking they have the truth but have none. ”

        Have you read the Songs of Solomon? Are you going to fuss at G-D for what was written on those pages!WOW!

        With all due respect, I do not see anything wrong with the picture of the lady on this page-nor am I offended by it-it does make me wonder as to where your “mind really is” for you to “see” something that truly isn’t even there!

        Well, marianne, here we go again…where is the Religious Spirit 101 post? 🙂

        • lyndsey

          Anyone looking at a bosom is not struggling with a religious spirit, but lust. 🙂

          • True, you must have understood the teaching of Prophet Isaiah very well. The blind man loosing his sight as a punishment of his habit to play with prostitute.

            The moral message of the this story was in Prophet Isaiah saying, even the Prophet (I believe Prophet Adam) is facing a monster, or evil. So, why wouldn’t Prophet Isaiah fight that monster, that darkness, that unseen enemy. For sure Prophet Isaiah has clearer sight that the blind man. So, we can’t think we’re the only one whous right about our faith without introspecting ourselve. Maybe another form of question for us is, if Prophet Isaiah is legitimate before God and still have instrospecting himself about whay is really happening, why don’t we at least have a self conscious about what we are saying?

        • Lyndsey Hi
          You brought up an interesting point on Solomon. The “Christian” preachers all think that the book of “Song of Solomon” is “the good sex book” and that’s what they have been preaching all along – but – Not so. You will be shocked to know what this book is really all about so if you really wanna know and learn in the Hebraic perspective then contact http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/ – Great teaching.

          As for the picture, yes it is wrong to portray Israel in that image. Read my comment below

      • Your link is good with the ecption of the Trinty since nobody was ever Baptized like that in the Bible until 352 AD the foundation of the Roman Catholic Church and nowhere is there one verse in the Bible to support it the Father and I are one and also the 3 are one so are you going to take a knife and chop himm in three pices to support your Trinty fron ancient Egypt?

        • Baptized like what and not understanding the rest of your post?

        • Annette

          I am not sure who you are asking the question to. There was no trinity in Egypt. That is a construct of the Catholic faith, although most, but not all, Protestants basically accept that also. What are you trying to ask or point out?

  4. (((((So where does Israel really getting this help? Where is the wilderness? ))))

    Consider that the ‘wilderness’ is a place of divine spiritual protection…yet in the physical world…as in the case of John the Baptist (Mt 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. )

    as in the case of Jesus who went into the dangerous and wild physical place of the world called ‘wilderness’ to show His power over the wiles of Satan….apart from men but fully present with God (Mt 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Mt 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. )

    a place in the dangerous and evil world…but under the divine presence and protection of God (Lu 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Lu 5:16 And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed.)

    as in the ninety and nine sheep who are safe in the wilderness (Lu 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

    in every wilderness…there is a tabernacle of witness (Ac 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. )

    ……AND FINALLY…….
    as is the case of the ‘church’…of the ‘children of Israel’….though ‘in the world’…they are under the divine protection of the Father…..though being ‘beheaded’ at the hands of antichrist or being kept alive until the Second Coming of Christ ….though ‘in the wilderness’ they remain ‘ in the world but not of the world.’ (Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. )

    THE FINAL THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF THE MURDEROUS RULE OF SATAN…BY THE PERMISSION OF GOD…WILL STILL FIND THE ‘CHURCH’…’ISRAEL’…’NEVER LEFT NOR FORSAKEN BY GOD.’

    as was the case with the angel physically ministering to Hagar after her banishment by Sarai (Ge 16:7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.)

    as was the case of Ismael growing up in the wilderness under divine protection (Ge 21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. )

    as was the case of Joseph who was divinely protected to become the salvation of Israel in Egypt (representing worldliness) during the great famine Ge 37:22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.

    as was the case when God sent Aaron to meet Moses in the wilderness…a physical place hidden from the view of man…but clearly seen by God (Ex 4:27 And the LORD said to Aaron, Go into the wilderness to meet Moses. And he went, and met him in the mount of God, and kissed him.)

    as was the case of the children of Israel when God led them ‘harnessed’ through the wilderness of the Red Sea ( Ex 13:18 But God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red sea: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt. )

    as was the case of Israel in the Wilderness of Shur where God… through Moses… made bitter waters sweet for Israel who had not drank in three days (Ex 15:23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah )

    as was the case of Israel who suffered lack of food in the wilderness of Sin…but was sustained by God with heavenly manna….and where the children of Israel saw the glory of God in a cloud (Ex 16:1 And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt.Ex 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. Ex 16:10 And it came to pass, as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the glory of the LORD appeared in the cloud.)

    as was the case of complainers of Israel who died within the confinement and restraint of God…not able to possess the promised land Nu 14:16 Because the LORD was not able to bring this people into the land which he sware unto them, therefore he hath slain them in the wilderness. )

    as in ‘wilderness’ as a physcial representation of a place ‘unseen’ by man….ruled and managed by God (Ps 107:33 He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground; )

    as in Caleb and Joshua…the seed of Abraham…who came forth out of the divine purposes (wilderness) of God to inherit the promised land (Nu 26:65 For the LORD had said of them, They shall surely die in the wilderness. And there was not left a man of them, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun. )

  5. Job 12-24..He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a*** wilderne*** [where there is] no way…
    Psalms 107-*** wilderness*** [where there is] no way.

    WILDERNESS is where men wander around unable to find the WAY TO GOD…
    wHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS MEAN….where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. dOES IT MEAN SHE GLEANS TRUTH FROM THE LIES OF THE SERPENT…
    Psalms 74-14..Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, [and] gavest him [to be] meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. This means God exposes all the lies of the serpent beast and give them as spritual meat…

    • Well done! By another Savitr story mafe earlier for an opera show, Savitr is facing her husband death and decided to go to the jungle for contemplating and adkef her father in-law to take her husband. To see her patience, 3 days before the death, God asks what Savitr wants and He will grant her, except for the death of the husband. But Savitr adk anyway. So, God asks another questions for Savitr, and Savitr answers is a hundred childrens for her fathet in-law; a blind man whous loosing of his wealths, which os immediately granted, the father in law gain his sight back. And then also a hundred childrens for herself, which is vety difficult without the life of her husband. So, God grant her anyway, the life of her husband and a hundred of childrens… Which the nymber can be symbolic anyway, like Dayang Sumbi bearing Sang Kuriang probably, I would say. Please look up my other reactions to read about Dayang Dumbi nd Sang Kuriang.

      Sang Kuriang probably the son the woman with eagle’s wings is travailing… 🙂

  6. Hi Marianne,

    Daniel clearly identifies the place of the refuge – Edom, Moab and part of Amon (except Amman the Capital) – Southern Jordan!

    Eagle’s wings refer to Wings of Shechinah – Divine presence, which protected Israelites during the Exodus, and once again will protect them in the desert; I wrote about this before, that when Jesus Christ returns to earth, he lands on Mount Sinai and makes the same path as Israelites during the Exodus via “King’s highway or road” – King’s highway, indeed!

  7. True….to Ruth and Carolyn

    This will definitely be a spiritual wilderness experience for Israel.

  8. America is an eagle, but a different one, of whom speaks Prophet Obadiah:

    3 The pride of thy heart hath beguiled thee, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, thy habitation on high; that sayest in thy heart: ‘Who shall bring me down to the ground?’ 4 Though thou make thy nest as high as the eagle, and though thou set it among the stars, I will bring thee down from thence, saith the LORD.

    What does America do when Israel is occupied and persecuted by Antichrist and his army?

    11 In the day that thou didst stand aloof, in the day that strangers carried away his substance, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them. 12 But thou shouldest not have gazed on the day of thy brother in the day of his disaster, neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. 13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of My people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have gazed on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity. 14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.

  9. Edom is prophetical America…”The vision of Obadiah” – concerning the future, not present…”Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.” – Battle of End of Days….”For the day of the LORD is near upon all the nations” (Ob. 1:15)…”And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD’S.” (Ob. 1:21)…All indicating that prophet speaks about future events, not past Edom, but other nation, who like Edom is brother to Israel, and is expected to behave as its brother, but does not!

  10. Gavfiel, your comparison of the murdering moon god worshiping sons of Esau, and America fit about as close as all men are sinners, and are hell bent.

    America as the eagle is a Romantic thought. I wish it were so. However, America has become the worlds pusher of porn, homosexuality, false religions, murder of the unborn, and leader of the New Age.

    This Admin has helped Israel’s enemys, and out of National Interest, America is turning it’s back on same.

    If Christ took his Church out of earth, and America lost it’s majority of Christians, I fear what might happen to Israel.

    Perhaps, in November things will change to more of a United States we grew up in.

    • hi Leatherneck

      What you say is true about the American government, which is pro-arab.

      But the majority of the American people and the military is still pro- Israel.

      We will be supportive until the saints are removed.

      i hope november brings some hope.

    • Prophecy of Obadiah regarding Edom fits America perfectly!

      Other gentile nations, are addressed by far worst prophecies, so why do you think it’s wrong that God chastises America? God chastises Israel too, and the reason is – to take into account God’s warning and not to follow the bad path, which your nation as a whole has chosen, but to follow the good path!

      America doesn’t protect Israel, God does! America won’t be able to save Israel from Gog and Magog battle, it is God that intervenes!

      Remember Jonah’s words to Assyrians in Nineveh! God chose to spare idol-worshiping wicked Assyrians at the very last moment, hopefully America also takes into account prophecy of Obadiah and repents!

      100 years later Assyrians attacked Israel and as a punishment God flooded the river Tigres and the flooding waters broke the portion of Nineveh’s wall and allowed Babylonians and Medes to capture and destroy Assyrians without any efforts.

      Tigres is the same river where Baghdad is located!

    • Leatherneck,

      Are you Silvan?

  11. 1) Who is the woman supposed to be in the picture above? And why is she dressed like a harlot?
    2) Re. “Just suppose…….that the “eagles wings” refer to the eagle, symbol of America”
    The American Eagle or something else?
    Double Headed Eagle of Freemasonry – Parts – 12
    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0U3yqzckb0
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTK7OMEZdak&NR=1
    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o32ZGkPoh6A&NR=1
    4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Swum3b7SY&NR=1
    5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWFHTtWYS0&feature=related
    6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDaeaGTX9o&feature=related
    7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpFsnpugks&feature=related
    8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFfg4bDtioU&feature=related
    9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csQwZWkvWec&feature=related
    10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2rdgYhMDQU&feature=related
    11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPI5_Nllj-U&feature=related
    12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxRfd7bfXX0&feature=related

  12. She looks hot to me, not a harlot.

  13. LoneEagle;
    I told another blogger on another page, to use a separate box to post one video, so it comes up. Then we can watch it here and not have to go to You Tube. I post a lot of videos and for a while they were popping up and Marianne suggested it and it worked. I’m going to post your first You Tube so you know what I am talking about. It also catches a persons eye rather than just posting the web site. It makes a difference to me.

    • Kitty go ahead. No Prob.
      I had also saved a long article on the “American Eagle” symbol, can’t find it right now but soon.

      • Israel the city IS NOT Gods chosen people,,, children of God, that believe and live for him are Israel…. just like John Hagee ,he is wrong, trying to protect the country Israel.. We are the children of God,there will be a new Heaven and Earth…We are Israel…

  14. Leatherneck;
    You are sure some joker. Maybe Rosa was right?
    Kittii

    • I don’t mean to be a pig, it just seems to come naturally.

      I hope you don’t think Rosa was right about me burning in hell. It would be better for me to have the condo with ocean view, and a hot tub. A nice coffee in the morning with some fruit sounds a lot better than being damed to hell for not worshiping the Queen of Heaven.

  15. That was the best picture I could find with a woman and an eagle. Since I am not an artist, I had to choose from what was available.

    I hope some actually read the post.

    God bless everyone.

  16. Hi Marianne,
    Re: The woman on eagles wings:
    First of all the scripture is not about Persia, India, Africa or even America, the scripture refers to ISRAEL which is the one-and-only-land-of-God that is called Holy and no other nation on earth is called Holy. Does anybody understand the significance of the nation of Israel? This is the land of our Savior Yeshua who shed HIS precious blood and died a brutal death to save the un-deserving wretches (mankind) from satan’s clutches. This is the Land He is returning to soon, to restore sovereignty and to rule the world. This is the same land that after 1000 years of Yeshua’s reign, the “city of God, the New Jerusalem (The New Heaven)” will replace this earth – So how do you think we should portray Israel both physically and spiritually? Like a Hot Babe? A Harlot? A Greek goddess? To tarnish the image of the Land of God as if all the anti-Semitism that’s going on around the planet is not bad enough? Must mockery be added in to cause further damage to this beautiful land and its people? And again why should Israel be portrayed like the picture above and not like a modest Jewish woman? After all, the land belongs to the Jews.

    This IMMODEST picture above is so easily accepted by the western world but is contrary to the eastern world because the eastern culture contradicts the western culture. The eastern culture is ancient and is still preserved and observed. In the east, MODESTY is the MAIN ISSUE even God commands modesty particularly among women. It is OK for a western woman to go to church “bare top” (like the picture above), but this would be totally unacceptable in Jewish synagogues and in Israel and other eastern countries. We’ve got to see the pros and cons before putting up such images and articles in order not to hurt or provoke someone – particularly the NATION OF GOD. I hear many people say “I love Israel” Yeah Right!! The point is how much respect does one have for Israel, The Holy Land!! It’s not just enough to say, but to show and do.

    I fully agree with Rabbi Andrew’s remark because I am a staunch Torah observer. I understand he is a Jew and of course no God-minded Jew would want to see their beloved “Eretz Israel” portrayed as shown above. To say that Rabbi Andrew was lusting, I have this to say: I am positive that he being a rabbi, his comment was not of lust but was meant as correction and a correction must be accepted if you are a good follower of Jesus. {{(2-Timothy-3:16–17) (16) All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; (17) so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work}}.
    A rabbi is appointed to serve in the higher office of God by Yeshua (Jesus) Himself and not just for nothing but to teach and correct those who are wrong, so to say that he is lusting” is a direct insult not only to him but unto the Son of God. If someone who says he/she is following Yeshua (Jesus Christ) and cannot take a correction from one of His disciples then that person is not walking right with Yeshua and as such there will be severe consequences. Something to think about seriously. Those who don’t study the TORAH will never truly know what exactly God requires from them, how to live their lives and how to follow in the footsteps of His Beloved Son Yeshua (Jesus) the Jewish Messiah the soon coming King of this world.

    Again, I would like to also add in that “A man is lead as far as the woman allows him” So why blame a man if the woman is beguiling him with her exposure? It’s an open invitation!! Almost every second woman you see on the street has her front open – Why? Is it so, because there’s a never-ending heat-wave? What is the reason for this if not to seduce then for what? Many such images and personal exposures etc. do have a very negative impact on innocent and decent women who don’t even deserve it. MODESTY in women should be the norm but sadly it’s gone-with-the-wind in North America and its bad influence has traveled around the world. Is it any wonder that the plagues of Revelation are being poured on us one by one? The worst is yet to come and may be real soon, yet most haven’t learned the lesson.
    This is not a bashing, but just an eye-opener.
    Blessings in Yeshua Messiah.

    • I do understand your point, however, in this heat wave, you cover yourself up from head to toe and see how you feel!

    • Lone Eagle,

      As a spirit filled Christian, the “rabbi’s” comments did not “feel” right nor did they set right with me. I then went onto his website that he posted and found ALOT of contradictions. One of them was that he did not believe that a woman should have anything to do with preaching the word of G-d-now how in the world does he explain Deborah-the prophetess-who is in the old testament. Another place of MAJOR concern was his “opinion” on the Baptism of the HS, only it wasn’t his “opinion”-he was putting it out there as “fact” under the guise of “rabbi” and this is dangerous! I was infuriated, because number 1, he clearly did not have any understanding of the Holy Spirit and what is written in Romans, Acts and Corinthians! The tounges that were heard at Pentecost were a result of the HS coming upon them-NOT the different languages given so that each country now has their own language-PLEASE!…what is it that Paul writes, 1Corinthians 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, …..do you know of a country around here on this planet that speaks ANGEL! The Baptism of the HS is the infilling of the HS and the evidence of this is the ability to speak a language of which one has never learned and most likely never heard! This is one of G-D’s mysteries! And further, Jesus said that he had to go in order to be able to send the comforter, the one who would lead us into all truth! I pray that Rabbi Andrew receives the infilling of the HS so that he will be led into all truth so as to speak the truth on Jesus’ behalf! And another point is this, if G-D did not want women to be ministers of Jesus in any way, shape or form then WHY do women ALSO receive the Baptism of the HS of which Jesus spoke about? Why is it mentioned in the New Testament, Acts 2:17 that ““‘In the last days, God says,

      I will pour out my Spirit on all people.

      Your sons AND DAUGHTERS will prophesy

      AS Marianne stated before, a Rabbi is still just a man….but the danger there, as is seen in the catholic church with their priests, is that the “followers”/Congregation put their faith in the MAN-HIS TITLE instead of the only one of Authority who is G-D, His son Jesus Christ and HS. We should NEVER put our faith in anyone other than our G-D. We should always question them and reference the Holy Scriptures ourselves. They are simply here as a guide…and unfortunately, most are leading many astray! So once again, WHY do we need the HS-to LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH!

    • I have been doing a lot of studying lately on just who is “Israel” and I absolutely believe that is is not the country but yes the Church..the elect, the woman, “Jacob” all of God’s true repenting believers. There is a lot of misleading teaching out there and I have tried to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit as I have delved into this area. I was trying to understand specifically the fleeing to the mountains when we see the AoD. I am not a 7th day Adventist but I absolutley keep the Saturday Sabbath with the very firm conviction of the Holy Spirit this is absolutely what the Lord expects. I think that if you want to go to church on Sunday, fine. But, keep the true Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. As I was seeking truth on the “protection” of his true elect I came to the conclusion it is Mt Sanai, but I don’t know if it will be a “spiritual” Mt Sanai of protection during the last 3.5 years or if I truely need to flee. I am preparing as well as I think that unless I/we know for sure of what this really is I want to be physically prepared as that is what God gave us a brain for. There is not pretrib rapture…we will not be with the Lord until after the 1st resurrection then we are caught up and that does not happen until the “last day” before his wrath is poured out. So…I would love to hear some insight about fleeing….or is this protection where we are? I am still seeking, praying, studying. Also, I know the AoD is near, as I have said on other post…the Lord gave me a dream March 5, 2012…”quit looking for the covenant, it has happened”. The next thing to look for is the Abomination of Desolation. He woke me up int he middle of the night and when I woke put those very specific words in my head. and I prayed for clarification they were from Him. They were. So time is short.

  17. Marianne: you said “Her bosom is covered. Maybe you are looking too hard”. And again in the next comment you said: Anyone looking at a bosom is not struggling with a religious spirit, but lust.
    LoneEagle: No, actually her bosom is partly covered with her shoulders bare that does make her look seductive. One does not have to look hard, it’s a first glance, and it is darn immodest, that is the issue. If this picture was posted for any other article apart from portraying it as Israel, I wouldn’t have really cared. Think about it even the statues of pagan goddesses in America like “Persepone” on top of capital Hill and the Statue of Liberty are both covered in a way that you can only see their face, hands and feet .. so why should ISRAEL, the nation of God be portrayed with her top uncovered making her look like a harlot?

    Lyndsey you said “With all due respect, I do not see anything wrong with the picture of the lady on this page-nor am I offended by it-it
    LoneEagle: Well, Lyndsey, you may not see anything wrong with the pic. Or be offended by it because the west has little or no understanding about the eastern culture and Israel is a peculiar nation and can never be America that’s the difference. Israel is a “peculiar” nation with a “peculiar” peoples.

    Lyndsey you said: It does make me wonder as to where your “mind really is” for you to “see” something that truly isn’t even there!
    LoneEagle said: The mind is relaxed and not anywhere but when there is such exposure one’s mind does not even have time to think to see, it’s an instant glance and a shocking one too, especially to persons like Rabbi Andrew – why? Because the fact is that, “that something” is really there at least 50% exposed

    Leatherneck you said: She looks hot to me, not a harlot.
    LoneEagle said: OK maybe she doesn’t look like a harlot to you but when a woman looks “hot” (I figure you are a man) so tell me what happens to you? Never mind, I can answer that for you; maybe at first glance you would be shocked or embarrassed or would you just like to loooook 🙂 And if (I presume so) that you are Christian, are you supposed to feel “hot” at the “HOT” How would God feel about your thoughts?
    Blessings

    • LoneEagle

      I do not mind switching out the picture, if you can find me one of beautiful woman with an eagle.

      I am not a lust oriented person, so I only see the purity of the picture. To me, there is nothing immodest about it.

      And many women do dress for the heat, and are not thinking of seduction, but trying to stay cool.

      This is a cultural issue. There are cultures where people are half naked, and do not lust as much as those in cultures where they cover themselves up more. Covering up will not solve the problem. Men rape their covered women in the eastern countries, and then beat the woman as a harlot.

      The rabbi is still a man, and his mind is in the wrong place. Just like Leatherneck, but Leatherneck admits it.

      • ok,so what were we talking about?..:) oh yeah, Israel and her flight into the wilderness upon the wings of an eagle! umm…will have to get back to you

      • Hi Marianne,
        1))Well, thank you, you have found just the right one, without doubt it is a very beautiful pic. but the issue about the previous picture or the present one is not really the beauty but MODESTY where ISRAEL is concerned that’s that. I don’t care if a nudie is symbolized for any other country or for any matter whatsoever but ISRAEL is the heart of the Earth, I believe the throne of God in heaven rests above Jerusalem.
        2)) I never said that you are a lust-oriented person – I repeat again, its about Israel. How you see and whatever it may be is not my business.
        3)) About women dressing how they want, its their choice but dressing immodestly is against God’s commands Deut.30:15-20 Choose life or choose death …it’s a choice He’s given us despite creating us. Whatever I’ve written, it was in defense of Israel.
        4)) Whatever men and women do in eastern countries is not my concern and what you say is out of line. However, since you brought it up, I would say that at least they don’t expose their bodies around like the west. Take for instance Dubai, the scorching sun and soaring temperatures can reach 100oF+, plus the horrible Humidity – nothing compared to America – yet men and women (not just local but Americans, Europeans, all nationalities) don’t go half naked like in the west http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29723610/ – they wear the kind of clothing that keeps them cool – In Deut.22.11 God recommends using linen, linen is made from the stalks of flax, friendly to the skin. Just as flax is a super food for the arteries, bowels etc… so is linen healthy for the skin particularly in Hot and Humid weather. The modern clothing is made from synthetic fibers that cook the body in the heat. One only has to wear linen and avoid the physical exposure. http://www.momof9splace.com/modesty3.html
        5)) You are still harping over rabbi Andrew? Do you know what you are getting at Marianne? Do you have kids and don’t you correct them? The disciples that Yeshua(Jesus) has appointed has every right to correct someone who is wrong and if something he finds wrong. You may think you are bashing the rabbi but you are actually messing with God. first it was the picture and now its the rabbi. God clearly said in His Word ((Touch not my anointed and do my people no harm)) http://www.demonbuster.com/anointed.html I’m not gonna say more for when God strikes, He strikes all around… so ponder on this seriously. Just a friendly warning here take it or leave it.

        • LoneEagle
          1. I was actually doing Israel a favor by using this picture. Since the replacement was a nice one, suggested by Gavriel, I used it.

          Since when has Israel been pure, and deserved to be represented that way? God even repeatedly calls her a harlot. Why do you think there was a diaspora? Israel was being punished for its wickedness.

          As long as natural Israel is unbelieving, she is considered a harlot, not a faithful woman. The original picture was actually more in line with ancient and modern Israel. I still see nothing wrong with the original picture, it was modest enough for me, because my brain does not focus on the carnal.

          2. This brings me to what is pure, and what is not pure. The scripture says this:

          Tts 1:15 Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

          This means people with pure minds do not see someone who is covered as defiled. People with impure minds do. Something to think about.

          You see what is on your mind.

          I see a covered, pretty woman with an eagle. I see her as spiritual, calm, ready to be taken away by the eagle.

          You see something dirty. Something to think about.
          So does the rabbi.

          3. the rabbi is just a jewish man who carries the title rabbi. Jesus said…..for christians:

          Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

          Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

          Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ

          Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

          Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

          Why why doesn’t the “rabbi” obey Jesus and drop the title?

          The point Jesus was making was that no one should be carrying titles around to exalt themselves over others.

          A title presumes entitlement.

          We are all equal under the blood. No one should be called rabbi, teacher, pastor, prophet, apostle, etc. We have gifts and jobs to do, but not to make ourselves over others, so they have to give us special consideration.

          I am just anointed as the messianic “rabbi” who works once a week on shabat. I work every day, teaching and ministering, but I do not call myself a teacher, and expect special consideration.

          This is because we are all anointed by God, not just certain chosen ones. This is another whole post, which I am working on.

          Poeple with titles want special honor.

          The passage about do no harm actually refers to the nation of Israel, not one special person or prophet. The entire nation was considered anointed, not just its leaders.

          1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

          Psa 105:11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:

          Psa 105:12 When they were [but] a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it.

          Psa 105:13 When they went from one nation to another, from [one] kingdom to another people;

          Psa 105:14 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;

          Psa 105:15 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

          I mentioned the rabbi because you brought him up again. he still is a carnal thinker, to see how he “sees” with his eyes. He may be saved, but his body still needs to be redeemed, just like everyone else.

        • LoneEagle said:5)) You are still harping over rabbi Andrew? Do you know what you are getting at Marianne? Do you have kids and don’t you correct them? The disciples that Yeshua(Jesus) has appointed has every right to correct someone who is wrong and if something he finds wrong. You may think you are bashing the rabbi but you are actually messing with God. first it was the picture and now its the rabbi. God clearly said in His Word ((Touch not my anointed and do my people no harm)) http://www.demonbuster.com/anointed.html I’m not gonna say more for when God strikes, He strikes all around… so ponder on this seriously. Just a friendly warning here take it or leave it.

          LoneEagle said this on July 9, 2010 at 3:43 am | Reply

          It is my understanding that to have any kind of annointing you must first have the Holy Spirit within you! Marianne is NOT “messing with G-D” by her “bashing”/correction of Rabbi Andrew. Again, as I stated before in the above post-there is an imminent danger in putting our faith in MAN. Look at the Catholic church and their priests and need I say more?!

          Questioning the authority of a rabbi or priests is NOT, I repeat, NOT NOT NOT questioning the authority of G-D!!!!! G-d does not want us to be mindless followers of any man OR WOMAN who has a title, pretty wardrobe, crown, bloodline etc etc etc!! I could write a whole book on where, who and how this has gotten us (mankind) into SO MUCH trouble throughout history!

    • Well, just think how I felt (look on face) when seeing Michangelos’ “DAVID” up close and personal! WOW! talk about immodest…there was enough clothing in the room or curtains to cover him up! laughing

      • meant to write: “there was NOT enough clothing or curtains in the room to cover him up!”

      • It’s the virus of wicked Rome that still runs in most people today. Sick-minded artists create sick art and sick-minded viewers gloat in this sickness. Only sick-minded people would make mockery of the Biblical prophets. I can’t fathom how they call themselves Christians, it must be ZEUS they worship NOT JESUS for Jesus is also called the son of David.

  18. I changed the picture. I used Gavriel’s suggestion of Olivia Hussey, and pasted in an eagle.

    But the woman Israel is today will not look like that when she is taken to the wilderness.

    • Marianne,

      Wow, beautiful!

      Thanks!

      • …now self-righteous among us will start complaining that she starred in Romeo & Juliet and therefore call her the “h” word…why people are obsessed with symbols and images, instead of looking into the essence of things…

    • Hi Marianne,
      I had watched the movie Romeo & Juliet quite a few times years ago during school days but I hadn’t a clue that the beautiful pix above was the “Juliet” in the movie.

      with all the disasters striking the earth and the earth itself turning from its axis, can’t say who is gonna be around to see what will happen in and around Israel. Again Israel is “Jacob” a “HE” and not a “SHE” and “HE” is in the hands of God.

      • where are you getting your information LoneEagle? There are many, many references to Israel being a “SHE” in the Holy Bible! In Jeremiah 3, the L-D refers to “her sister, Judah”…this is just one of many many many places within the scriptures that Israel is called a “she”; His Wife…who has committed adultery (metaphor) etc….and most importantly, Jesus is coming for His BRIDE (a SHE)! Israel is a SHE…always has been and always will be…as Deborah, the prophetess would say, “you gotta a problem with that, then take it up with G-D” (Judges)

    • Hey Marianne,
      Quite a fuss over a picture, huh?
      Maybe you should have just followed the second commandment and refrained from using any graven images in the first place.
      🙂

      • james

        oh well…..I aim to please I guess. I like the new picture, but I liked the old one too. Did you see the old one? I thought it was tastefully done, and the lady was pretty.

        But I guess since men like women, they will see things there that I do not see.

        That would also include women who think like men.

        I do not think like a man, or a woman who thinks like a man, so I only had a pure view of the woman.

        Whatever……

        • Hi Marianne,

          Thanks for posting the link to the original photo. It wasn’t clear for a while that there had been a switch. I am recovering from surgery and nearly busted my stitches laughing, thinking that someone thought half of her chest was showing!

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  20. Back to the topic, I was a viewing a video the other day regarding the ancient civilization of the sumerians. Amazingly, they have etched in stone, over 6000 years ago the orbit of the planets and where they are in allignment (this could actually be on another post but bare with me)…they used alot of symbols as mentioned by the speaker. The speaker referenced America landing on the moon for the first time “Houston, the eagle has landed”. So, with the Sumerians, Americans and G-D using symbols…perhaps we are on track with the Eagle wings mentioned in the Bible as actually being America….but then I think I just heard the HS say “no”….so…now I have no idea…LOL

    • Ok, so after hearing the HS whisper NO, then I googled and came up with this and found something very interesting…a must read :

      “we are the eagle and the wind thermals represents the Holy Spirit, is what the wings of the eagle represent. The wings of the eagle represent our faith and belief in in the Lord…..” AND THEN…”11. The Nests of Eagles Are Built in the Wilderness
      When baby eagles are first born, the mother eagle will build the nest in which to raise up her newborns in the wilderness, away from mainstream society. This is done so she can safely raise them up without any harm coming to them.”

      http://www.bible-knowledge.com/eagle-analogy/

      • Once again, here are the main attributes and qualities of the mighty eagle, the most powerful and feared bird in the skies:

        1.Master fliers
        2.Master fishermen
        3.Fly alone
        4.Live on higher ground
        5.Extremely bold, courageous and powerful
        6.Majestic
        7.Mate for life
        8.Very patient
        9.Have two sets of eyes
        10.Nest are built in the wilderness
        11.Noticeable from a distance as a result of contrasting color patterns

        10. The Eagle Has 2 Sets of Eyes
        Another fascinating quality that eagles have is that they have two sets of eyes. The first set is their natural eye which they have when they are in a resting mode.

        However, when they start to take flight on these strong wind thermals, they have a second eye that comes in on them. This second eye enables them to fly on these strong wind thermals without damaging their original eye. This second eye is also used when they are seen flying through actual storm clouds. The heavy winds from a storm cloud could damage their normal, natural eye and this second eye gives them a protective covering as they are navigating through these heavy storm clouds.

        As Christians, we also have two sets of eyes operating in us. The first set is our normal, natural eye with which we use to see the natural world in which we live in. However, we also have a second set of eyes and that is the eyes of the Holy Spirit.
        http://www.bible-knowledge.com/eagle-analogy/

  21. hi leatherneck,hope you are feeling ok today.I see you are still in a lot of pain.I mean your heart is fill with so much darkness no light.Ask,mother mary and jesus to embrace you with the holy light.You are thirsty for the light and keep missing both of them.Once you catch on about the light you will be a sweet person.You have a lot of old and ancient scars in your heart to say that about the Queen of heaven.She’s a advocate for you and all of us.How would you feel if you was in a life and death situation?You would be just like all of us wanting that help.You have a veil over your eyes like a lot of other people and you can’t see.I will pray for the Queen of Heaven to appear to you.I love you and that’s not in a sexual matter.Maybe if everyone got together and start telling you how much love they have for you,you might see things different.You be on here all the time so you don’t hate us.That’s a gaint start.If only you would ask for peace,joy and happiness in your heart you wouldn’t say the things like that.There are other religions in the world cause they are different you don’t put them down.It’s the heart you should look deep into.I wish the very best for you and i forgot to say I’m catholic as well.The Queen of Heaven still loves you just repent that’s all require from any of us.Peace.sunwater

  22. Hi Marianne,The picture is really pretty.Peace,sunwater

  23. Israel is to be destroyed in Armageddon;

    http://sabbathsermons.com/2010/07/21/7-daniel-11-the-consumation/

    Isaiah 21:16 For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:

    Here is a time prophecy that has to do with a literal year, not a prophetic year, according to the years of an hireling. Who is Kedar, that all his glory shall fail?

    Genesis 25:13 And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,

    Who was Kedar? He was the Arab who came from Ishmael. The Arabs came from Ishmael. Kedar is specifically mentioned to come to his end and none shall help him. All his glory would be taken away within a year. It is interesting to connect Kedar the Arab world with Turkey. Kadar and Mesech are connected and in the ancient world, Mesech was in Turkey. They have always been a trouble spot for the Jews.

    Psalms 120:5 Woe is me, that I sojourn in Mesech, that I dwell in the tents of Kedar!

    120:6 My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace.

    120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

    Is this not the problem all the way through and still in existence today? Ever since Ishmael came into contact with his younger brother Isaac, there have been problems. The world problems of today are very much the Middle East conflicts. Here are Kedar and Mesech the Arab world and Turkey. All the glory within one year would be taken away. It is this conflict that Jesus utilises in His work. Notice how Jesus brings this out in His conversation with the apostles.

    • Sabbath Sermons

      True. God foretold from the beginning:

      Gen 16:12 And he [Ishmael] will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

      Only Jesus can bring peace to the middle east. I hope many sons of Ishmael embrace this peace.

  24. Fascinating that these superficial people are fixating on the picture accompanying the article instead of the article itself, smh. Great post, Marianne. I’m not convinced the eagle archetype points to any specific nation, however. There are far too many nations that incorporate it into their milieu (Mexico, Montenegro, Albania, Germany, etc) to point so squarely at America. Isaiah says that they that wait upon the Lord will mount up with wings as eagles. I don’t think this verse is speaking of any particular country but upon deliverance in the most transcendent sense. Condors fly higher but they were unfamiliar to the Hebrews; if they were the verse and consequently the passage in Revelation, might have made reference to condors. Just my $.02

    • hi Amardo

      Like you, I like the spiritual meaning of the eagle best. But I was willing to consider what a physical interpretation might be.

  25. About above Phoenicians, Tyre, Eagle, woman (Ephraim)….I think they have developed into the top world merchants who live mainly in America, with its huge merchant ships, shipping goods to all nations. The owners are the false Jews mentioned in Rev.2:9 + 3:9. Any dummy should perceive how they have sinned to high heaven from their former stronghold America. Isaiah 23:- seems to convey the thought that humiliation/punishment/collaps comes before restored usage and glory,..but this time to the Lord, not for self as now,… after her 70 years of laying
    low/punishment,…when having learnt her lesson and the Lord uses her (the former prostitute who then advertises herself in a better light. (v.15-18).
    What do you think ??
    Ed

  26. Wow, hot topic ay Marianne? What if the wings of an eagle are symbolic of swiftness, angelic help, or miraculous transportation for the fleeing Jews? Perhaps it’s God’s direct hand that helps them and not any man.

    • hi groveonline

      Good thoughts.

      One way or the other, when the abomination takes place, it will be a tense and incredible moment to see Israel “head for the hills.” I just wonder how they are going to do it. On foot? By plane? If they go to Petra, they will have to go by car. Imagine the traffic…..most of the roads are 2 lanes over there. The Holy Spirit will have to make it happen, to get them all out of there quickly.

  27. I tend to agree, Grove.

  28. First you have to accept that the woman mentioned in rev chapter 12 is not Israel but the prophet that was promised to Moses. She is a real woman who taught souls to fly with healing in their wings. She is also found in the frescos painted by Michelangelo, he left many messages about ELIAKIM who would bring the everlasting covenant for the children of the world. Blessings in abundance God kept his promise to the children.

    • Eliakim, that is the most strange wacky interpretation and mini theology discourse I have heard in a while. Please don’t take that offensively but could you explain your proof for the existence.
      1. How can I escape seeing the woman in Rev 12 as Israel when there are various elements and even other mentions that back up the belief that the woman is Israel giving birth to the Messiah Christ?
      2. When was there ever a woman prophet prophesied to Moses? If you are referring to Deut 18:15 it says it will be a male and that was clearly referring to Christ. John 6:14 and John 1:21 refer to the Jews expecing “The Prophet” and that is was Christ.
      3. Where in the Bible is there a woman figure teaching people to fly with healing on their wings? What does that even mean?
      4. Since when are Michelangelo’s pieces of art grounds for Biblical doctrine or belief? Especially when those doctrines or beliefs are no where in the Bible?

  29. Who do you think Yeshu loved the most the place Israel or the people of Israel?

  30. I personally believe the Eagles wings will be right where we are …The Lord gave me specifially Psalm 91 one day when I was just praying about this very thing. I have no doubt in my mind that for those that are not told to flee to Judaea will be protected right where they are at. I believe that we must be in the group that he says “pray that you are worthy to escape all these things” in order to have this divine protection. I do not believe it is any other way…He gave me such clarification that day as I was really comtemplating it…and lo and behold….I was given Psalm 91.

  31. I think, this woman is just a follower of Jesus… One of the three workers that is sent by the Land Lord to ask for foods from the unfaithful Olive yard tenants. She is the beaten one. She will be one of the three that each holds attribute 1 day, in the belly of the sea monster.

    As the lightning that comes from the east can be seen in the west, so is the coming of the Son of Man.

    Jesus always mentioned himself as the Son of Man because he is teaching the knowledge of being a Man, a human, to face againts the monster, the Djinn childrens, the Satan.

    Jesus teaching Heaven’s knowledges, how Heaven will rules human life, to prevent the dangers of the Hell’s knowledges.

    Please, look up my other comments to get a slight understanding of what I’m saying.

  32. Why am I talking about three persons, this is not about Trinity. Trinity is another whole story I prefer not to touch without having explain this:

    One day Prophet Abraham sees the existance of God in appearance of three person, these three persons came to him and have a good talk in his house. And then, they see Sarah and one of them say to Prophet Abaraham that she is going to have a child. Prophet Abraham say, how come, we are so old, how come we could have a child? And then they say, if God wills so, there is nothing impossible if God already will so. So, that was the revelation of God to Prophet Abraham how Sara will get a child.

    This is the unicorn, three men bound in unity. Of course Trinity is a made up, not even by Jesus. Jesus said about bearing a child, that a child is made by one third of the earth, and everything that comes along is the brain. So, those people who talks about having authority to make a child, know nothing about what they’re saying!

    After Jesus came to Barnabas to ask Barnabas to make a gospel for him, Jesus has fight with his disciples. Jesus asked, who am I? They answered, you are a son of God. Jesus said, your’re so lost from the right path. Jesus asked the same question again until three times, and they still answered the same.

    My question is, why wouldn’t any Christians priests analyze Jesus teaching from Barnabas gospel?

    Jesus said, if Barnabas say anything, believe it and follow it, because he is actually the second person closest to me after God. !!!!

  33. Collins
    World English Dictionary
    wilderness  (ˈwɪldənɪs)
     
    — n
    1. a wild, uninhabited, and uncultivated region
    2. any desolate tract or area
    3. a confused mass or collection
    4. a voice in the wilderness , a voice crying in the wilderness  a person, group, etc, making a suggestion or plea that is ignored
    5. in the wilderness  no longer having influence, recognition, or publicity
     
    [Old English wildēornes,  from wildēor  wild beast (from wild  + dēor  beast, deer ) + -ness ; related to Middle Dutch wildernisse,  German Wildernis ]

    It is true what I assumed, just like Nenna who was said in one article but not the other to be griefing on Baldr’s pyre, her husband death, and died from griefing even burried in the same pyre and together set to sea, Dayang Sumbi probably having the griefing of regret to have missed Sang Kuriang as her son, and discover it after they have romance and found the wound from her beating on the back of Sang Kuriang’s neck when Sang Kuriang killed Tumang, the dog which is the appearance of a cursed deva, Sang Kuriang’s father…

    The story is the allegory of the cave, taking place in the jungle. Where the higher wisdom still will say, I know nothing. Because only God alone who knows everything!

    The olive tenants wants to have everything, after stoning, killing and eating, he wants to kill the son if the Land Lord, so that he could everything.

    In the sacred text of Indonesia, there will be two person, one is The White Bearded Man and the other is Sheperd Boy but what he is herding is the dead branches and dried leafs. Sheperd Boy has three floors of house, placed in the junction of river, and has its door as high as stone. When everybody reach this place, he is already gone with The White Bearded Man.

    This White Bearded Man is believe by Indonesians to be the King of East, The Regent of God.

    Astonishingly, White Bearded Man is the name of the main share holder of the World Bank! Find out yourself about it, and then you might like to see the connection with Islamic story of Prophet Moses when asked his students to defend themselves, and then the students ask how come, you forbid us to kill? Prophet Moses answered, actually God already prepared King Saul, he wears clothes very properly. And the sign of his protection is a ship full of golds and agreements.

    FYI, Indonesian very famous kingdom is Syailendra, Syail Indra, the King of Mountain. He is believed to be the king who build Borobudur, the holliest temple of Buddhist people. The religion known in Indonesia is Budi, means good character. The same spelling Hungarian say for worshipping. Those European countries around Hungarian speaks language identic and some parts still calling as Sanskrit, but spelling and meaning more close to Sansekerta Indonesia rather than Sanskrit India.

    I found out on Leiden University online library, and article about the Aryan language on the the correspondence documents that is kept so proudly by the Russian, since Aryan is their ancients that came to help and giving support for trading, that the language is to be what is now known as the Javanesse language.

    And then, I checked out Wiki, about Buddha, who his real name sounds very Sansekerta, that he has a father with a very Sansekerta name, basic word is similar with Daud ir David, and with prefix of Su- and -Yana, like the Indonesian would have. Do you know President Yudhoyono? That is the same name with Javanesse spelling for Yudhayana.

  34. If you think what I said is hillarious, a little bit hillarious if you don’t believe that Borobudur myth is so similar to Prophet Solomon with Queen of Sheba. A very powerful man with great wealth; Bandung Bandawasa (Bandung in West Java is ghe capital city, but also means “hearing goodly”, Banda means materials and Wasa means has “powerful or having the authority”, from the word Kuasa or Kawasa. Kuasa used in Indonesian national language while Kawasa is used in West Javan language; Sunda) who wants to marry Roro Jonggrang (Roro means Two, and Jonggrang I believe “to be blessed”), but Roro Jonggrang challenge him bh giving hard condition, that is to make 1000 temples in 1 night. But, she was impatience, and then she breaks the agreement. And as addition to this myth, Roro Jonggrang is known as the wise queen who in for the sake of her dignity she is jumping into the sea, and that is why Roro Jonggrang is known also as The Queen of South Beach, a queen who jumped into the sea. And Hindustan has that rituals of giving foods to the sea in the rememberance of this Queen South.

    The Queen of South is the other name of Queen of Sheba in the Bible. And Ophir, the city of most classic jewelries of Prophet Solomon came from Ophir. Ofir is a place known in Sumatera island to have a so called Gold Mountain or Gunung Emas.

    And yes, The Queen of South Beach of Indonesia, or Ratu Pantai Selatan, will come again, and to condemn the unfaithful people, just like what is mentioned of Queen of South as Queen of Sheba in the Bible.

    And after the sign of Prophet Yonas, the raise of Queen of Sheba in the judgmeng day is as the sign of the Second Coming of Jesus to earth!

    Prophet Yonas and Queen of Sheba has typically the same story, they both going to the city. Prophet Jonas asked the city people to take fasting, and praying and most probably ablutions to cleanse. And Queen of Sheba is to ask difficult questions, that actually gifts and souvenirs and golds and spicies along with that.

    In Indonesia, Saba means going to the city, but also ritual to pay homage, to give present to the higher government. Some primitive tribe if Sunda, Badui, the remnants of Sundanesse kingdom; Pajajaran, which is now became Bandung, the capital city, who rejected to convert Islam, eventhough the King converted to Islam, they still doing this ritual; Saba. They go to present many gifts like their crops to the higher and higher government. They hold very beautiful life’s way of life though.

    And in some bad tradition if Indonesia, seba means offering sacrifice, if someone has evil will to be rich, he would going to make seba to the devil, by example sacrificing his own family member, like a nephew for example.

    So, this is really true…

    The story of Prophet Moses who discovered the murder, that is the son of the uncle’s victim, or the nephew. In Indonesian national language is named sepupu.

    If we now go back to Andromeda story, she is engaged with her uncle, Phinus. And in Islamic allegory of the cave, which in Dutch called De Spelonk, these phenomenon of second person to be defeated or killed by Prophet Al Khidir (Khidir means Green and some theory says that he is The Green Man, which is in then believed to be the God of Old Europe, but more clear to see the facts that Green Man is very similar with Zeus). But, Islamic tends to direct this honour killing event as the reason that God has prepare a better son for the parents, somehow like the believe of the Dutch someone is sent to this place and that place. Or like the Norge that says, that Baldr and Hodr is brothers and they both died by decisions of higher gods, and that even Nenna herself confused between Baldr and Hodr, she is by Den Mark people believe to marry Hodr instead and that the story is historical.

    My assumption, eventhough Norway is so much closer with the Sundanesse, I believe Norwegian is taken from the Bible.

    You better know that the first person in Islamic story is the poor man who owns a boat, and the knowledgable young man who get killed in the purpose of honour killing, and then the two young man, the orphans who their walls is filled in with stones so that don’t fall.

    If you go deeper go the most classical literature of English, which is inspired many writers like Tolkien, that is Poetic Edda, the Norwegian myths, you will find the same character of Prophet Muhammad and his twins grand child, who build stones in the Midgard, where close to the city of Heaven. The name is Heimdall, sounds like Ahmad, maybe with addition of characters of Elli, that is also Norge god, and Hastein and Holmstein, like Imam Hassan and Hussain.

    So, I have no longer doubts, that the woman with eagle wings, and clothed with sun, just like Savitr is also covered all over with the sun, and the moon lays under her feet is like Nenna the goddes of Moon, and in travails of bearing a son, like Dayang Sumbi.

    She is just a human, in the end of the day (Savitr is believed to give blessing that has came from the future), she probably just beung slandered while the bin unrest is occuring in the city like the wave of the ocean.

  35. Remember when Jesus says, don’t call anyone as father, and his answers to the question there’s your mother and your brother looking for you; my mother is my friends and those who stands up for me… This is the tipical brotherhood we found on Arabian Nights. Maybe… But not wel understood by the experts. Jesus himself teach us to be a humble slave, because the rich is only the whore of babylon, mother of harloys who sells everybody for the sake of materials. Keeps building the Buruj or Tower to hear God’s secret, Heaven’s secret by holding each other on their shoulders. But finally strucked by the thunder and they all fall down. They still keep doing it because of the evil, not because afraid of the great flood that befall before them.

    So, the coming of Jesus, is just like the time of Prophet Noah…, right? The tsunami is happened, it is because people have followed evil and smoothen business of the wrong people, the people eho follows evil. Haven’t you read the Bible?

    Ah, now I better stop here…

  36. FYI, the mistake of Rama is to allow the three monster which says they wanna go back to their fathers, but they don’t go anywhere only taking some round to make more disaster. These monsters are monkeys which bothers the ritual contemplating of the priests in the caves.

    So, the punishment for Rama was to spread childrens of kingdoms in the name of God.

    So, there wasn’t any humiliating story of the Prophets or the religions pantheons. Really…, you could picture what I am saying…

  37. Only if you’re smart enough to do your work very well, you could picture what I am saying, as a good news. If you’re thinking of God had taken a son…, this would be a warning! Hey, hey, you don’t know anything about how God created human. But it is so easy for God to create a son for Maria, the chosen to hold the first position of the woman.
    If you think you could make a son, you’re out of your mind, because you have no knowedge about it!

  38. Correction: Maria, the chosen to hold the first position of the woman = Maria is chosen to be the most honourable woman, the first woman in the eye of God because her faithful. The big family of Jesus are prayers at home, and so Maria never get out of her room praying… She is the most devoted and pious woman God has created. It is easy for God to make a son. Not for you, not for anyone of you! Not for any Jewish, not for any Christians, not for any Muslims, not gor any other believers…, even they keep letting out the word making, seeing, stealing, creating and even maybe molesting a son, whatsoever… It’s different! God invited us to follow Him, not us invited God to follow us. God created kingdom, not us creating kingdom. Always a kingdom stands longer and good parfumed name with the name of God. Never been bad kings rule over and remembered to have a good ruin or rememberance. Different plot of creating story, different language, never even mentioned by Jesus that we should thinking of making a child.

    This woman with eagle wings is exceptionally bearing a son, probably because of the contain of message of Jesus himself. It is the metafor of the end of the day, as if she holds everything as she has to not because she is able to. And that it is the process of purification. Come on, 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of a fish? How smelly would she?

    So, stop thinking that any rituals can be coming from anything humiliating… Slandering is the act of defaming or humiliating, that is an accusation without brininh proof or evidence. You cannot say something that wouldn’t be existed! Though God never gives someone a burden harder that he or she can take, that’s because God is over everything, and that everything has been clarified by God, is done!

  39. Shardabai Pawar Mahila Mahavidyalaya, Shardanagar, Malegaon(Baramati) Dist. Pune – 413115.

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    11 May, 2014 : Mother’s Day
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    Mother’s Day is a celebration honoring mothers and motherhood, maternal bonds, and the influence of mothers in society. It is celebrated on various days in many parts of the world, most commonly in spring. (e.g., April–May in the northern hemisphere, October in Argentina, but northern hemisphere spring, May, in Australia). It complements similar celebrations honoring family members, such as Father’s Day and Siblings Day.
    The celebration of Mother’s Day began in the United States in the early 20th century; it is not related to the many celebrations of mothers and motherhood that have occurred throughout the world over thousands of years, such as the Greek cult to Cybele, the Roman festival of Hilaria, or the Christian Mothering Sunday celebration (originally a celebration of the mother church, not motherhood).[1][2][3][4] Despite this, in some countries Mother’s Day has become synonymous with these older traditions.[5]
    The modern American holiday of Mother’s Day was first celebrated in 1908, when Anna Jarvis held a memorial for her mother in Grafton, West Virginia. Her campaign to make “Mother’s Day” a recognized holiday in the United States began in 1905, the year her beloved mother, Ann Reeves Jarvis, died. Anna’s mission was to honor her own mother by continuing work she had started and to set aside a day to honor mothers, “the person who has done more for you than anyone in the world.” Anna’s mother, Ann Jarvis, was a peace activist who had cared for wounded soldiers on both sides of the Civil War and created Mother’s Day Work Clubs to address public health issues.
    Due to the campaign efforts of Anna Jarvis, several states officially recognized Mother’s Day, the first in 1910 being West Virginia, Jarvis’ home state. In 1914 Woodrow Wilson signed the proclamation creating Mother’s Day, the second Sunday in May, as a national holiday to honor mothers. In a thank-you note to Wilson, Jarvis wrote of a “great Home Day of our country for sons and daughters to honor their mothers and fathers and homes in a way that will perpetuate family ties and give emphasis to true home life.” [6]
    Although Jarvis was successful in founding Mother’s Day she soon became resentful of the commercialization and angry that companies would profit from the holiday. By the early 1920’s, Hallmark and other companies had started selling Mother’s Day cards. Jarvis became so embittered by what she saw as misinterpretation and exploitation that she protested and even tried to rescind Mother’s Day. The holiday she had worked so hard for was supposed to be about sentiment, not profit. [7] Jarvis organized boycotts and threatened lawsuits to try to stop the commercialization. She crashed a candymakers convention in Philadelphia in 1923. Two years later she protested at a confab of the American War Mothers, which raised money by selling carnations, the flower associated with Mother’s Day, and was arrested for disturbing the peace. [7]
    Jarvis’s holiday was adopted by other countries and it is now celebrated all over the world. In this tradition, each person offers a gift, card, or remembrance toward their mothers, grandmothers, and/ or maternal figure on mother’s day. The original intention, however, was to appreciate and honor your mother by writing a personal letter, by hand, expressing love and gratitude.[6]
    Various observances honoring mothers existed in America during the 1870s and the 1880s, but these never had resonance beyond the local level.[8] Jarvis never mentioned Julia Ward Howe’s attempts in the 1870s to establish a “Mother’s Day for Peace”, nor any connection to the Protestant school celebrations that included “Children’s Day” amongst others.[9] Neither did she mention the traditional festival of Mothering Sunday.[9] Jarvis always said that the creation was hers alone.[9]
    References:
    1. L. James Grold (April 1968), “Mother’s Day”, American Journal of Psychiatry 124: 1456–1458, “Mother’s Day, conceived by Anna Jarvis to honor unselfish mothers (…) Although there is no direct lineal descent to our modern Mother’s Day custom, secular and religious motherhood have existed for thousands of years 10 May 1908: the first church – St. Andrew’s in Grafton, West Virginia – responded to her request for a Sunday service honoring mothers . Cybele (…)”
    2. Tad Tuleja (1999), Curious Customs: The Stories Behind 296 Popular American Rituals, Galahad Books, p. 167, ISBN 9781578660704, “Although attempts have been made to link Mother’s Day to ancient cults of the mother goddess, especially the worship of Cybele, the association is more conceptual than historic. Mother’s Day is a modern, American invention.”
    3. Robert J. Myers, Hallmark Cards (1972), Celebrations; the complete book of American holidays, Doubleday, p. 143, “Our observance of Mother’s Day is little more than half a century old [this was written in 1972], yet the nature of the holiday makes it seem as if it had its roots in prehistoric times. Many antiquarians, holiday enthusiasts, and students of folklore have claimed to find the source Mother’s Day in the ancient spring festivals dedicated to the mother goddess, particularly the worship of Cybele.”
    4. Helsloot 2007, p. 208 “The American origin of the Day, however, was duly acknowledged. ‘The idea is imported,. America led the way.'”
    5. b c d “Mothering Sunday”, BBC, retrieved 4 March 2010
    6. b http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865602516/Mothers-Day-100-year-history-a-colorful-tale-of-love-anger-and-civic-unrest.html
    7. b http://www.kansas.com/2014/04/27/3424594/hallmark-celebrates-the-100th.html
    8. b c d Bernhard, Virginia (2002). “Mother’s Day”. In Joseph M. Hawes, Elizabeth F. Shores. The family in America: an encyclopedia (3, illustrated ed.). ABC-CLIO. p. 714. ISBN 9781576072325.
    9. b c Leigh, p.253
    10. Larossa, 1997, page 72(footnote 51)
    11. b c d e Louisa Taylor, Canwest News Service (11 May 2008). “Mother’s Day creator likely ‘spinning in her grave'”. Vancouver Sun (Canada). Retrieved 7 July 2008.
    12. House Vote No. 274 (7 May 2008) H. Res. 1113: Celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother’s Day (Vote On Passage)

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    With the Best Compliments From: Shardanagar (The Agro – academic Heritage of Grandsire Padmashri Dr. D. G. Alias Appasaheb Pawar).

  40. GOD Bless Israel and GOD Bless America

  41. AWESOME! A REMNANT ESCAPES TO BOSRA, WE KNOW THIS FOR SURE! THE EAGLES WING CERTAINLY REFERS TO AMERICA! HOW THIS COMES TO FRUITION, GOD KNOWS! I GOT CHILL BUMPS READING THIS! MARANATHA!

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