Woman vs Beast
The way I see it, the woman, Mystery Babylon is NOT the beast…she just sits on top of it.
And Revelation 17:16 says the beast HATES the woman (harlot).
And the ten horns which you saw upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
So, there are 2 opposing systems….if one hates the other one.
I am looking at common opinions here.
If the woman is the roman catholic church, then who is the beast she rides?
The description about kings is (Revelation 17:10):
7 fallen, one “is” and one to come
The description of beast (Revelation 17:8) is:
was, “is not,” and is of the seven
So, at the time of John, one king “is” on a beast that “is not”
Questions (if the catholic church is the harlot):
Who are the 7 fallen popes at the time of John?
Who “is” the pope at the time of john?
Who is the pope to come?
Why is there only ONE pope to come?
Caesar was not the “pope” at the time of John, so he does not count.
The beast “was” (past tense) at the time of john…..but did not exist (“is”) at the time of john
So what empire ( or combination of empires) was past history when John wrote?
It is not the catholic church, so think again…that is future only from his time.
Daniel 7:7 describes a combination beast….a future one made up of those that were before (“was” = leopard – Greece, lion- Babylon, and bear – Medo Persia)
It had 10 horns, so the same as what john saw as “is to come”….it had iron teeth….
Iron = Rome, so ONLY the teeth are Roman,,,,,,
The 4th beast is a combo of Grecian, Babylonian and Medo-Persian, with a touch of “Rome”
The beast is Islamic (former Babylonian religion)…..if you look at ancient maps, these territories are almost all Islamic now.
So…whatever king “is” at the time of John is somehow associated with the Babylonian/ Islamic religion and territory, …since:
the Catholic Church does not seem to fit, because:
the Caesars were not popes
there were not any fallen popes then
The civil government of Rome fits better:
5 previous governors before John ‘s revelation, IF written in just after 68 AD ( John would have been in his 60’s) This was the Julio- Claudian dynasty:
Augustus 27 BC – 14AD
Tiberius 14 AD – 37 AD
Caligula 37 AD – 41 AD
Claudius 41 AD – 54 AD
Nero 54 AD – 68 AD
This would fit since Paul established the 7 churches in the mid 30s – 50s.
There is some scholarship saying that Revelation not written until 96 AD while under Domititian rule.
By then, there were 6 MORE rulers for a total of 11, so that is too many to qualify for “5 have fallen.”
The next set was the Flavian Dynasty:
Galba 69 AD – 69 AD ( short rule)
Otho 69 AD – 69 AD ( short rule)
Vitellius 69 AD – 69 AD ( short rule)
Vespasian 69 AD – 79 AD
Titus 79 AD – 81 AD
Domititian 81 – 96 AD
If only the Julio- Claudian dynasty was counted, then the Book of Revelation was written early when John was in his 60s.
Eastern leg of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue:
There was also an eastern leg of the Roman empire, with Leo being the first emperor to be crowned by the Patriarch of Constantinople.
Constantinople = city on 7 hills!!!!
Constantinople NOW taken over by Muslims, with a mosque on each of the 7 hills.
Long rule of Roman empire:
After that, rulers continue on until 602 AD. So, here, there are too many rulers after the current one for John to just have “one more in the future.”
European extension of Roman Empire
But if the Roman territory was truly what John was referring to, it has spread to all of Europe.
The Center for the European Union is Brussels, which sits on 7 hills:
Muslim population is growing in Europe due to immigration and high reproduction rates:
Brussels is 25% Muslim.
UK is worse, with some parts as high as 32%.
Muslims hate the EU and want a complete takeover.
Europe also maintains royalty (woman wears purple) in many of its countries.
However, the trade list given in Revelation 18 does not match that of Europe:
So choices for woman with a Roman background that sits on 7 hills:
1. if the catholic church is involved, it rides on the beast of Islam in an incompatible union. But it does not fit the 5 popes have fallen criteria. And, they need to do more than wear purple to qualify for the whore who rides the beast.
And this means that at some point, the Muslims will burn and destroy the Vatican, and kill the Pope, as it is already destroying churches and Christians world wide now anyhow.
2. Brussels, Belgium , center for the EU, the new “Roman empire,” which is also incompatible with Islam and currently invaded and harassed by Muslims who want to take over Europe.
Muslims are already burning and rioting in parts of Europe.
Just food for thought.
Maybe that is why it is called a Mystery.
Or, …..maybe America is Babylon?