YHVH, Behold, the man, behold the nail

 

What does YHVH really mean?

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Traditional teaching

This seems to be an unanswered question for scholars. Maybe it means “I am.”

http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/the%20many%20names%20of%20god.htm

Biblical scholars do not know how YHWH was originally pronounced because its original pronunciation, which was part of the sacred Oral Tradition of the Jews, was lost when the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

But what does the Tetragrammaton YHWH mean?  Biblical scholars have been arguing about the meaning of YHWH for centuries. 

Since biblical names generally have a discernible meaning, scholars have believed that YHWH can be reasonably translated.  Based on etymology and context most scholars have agreed that YHWH is an archaic form of the verb “to be” (in Hebrew hawah) and should be translated “I am who I am or I will be who I will be.”

This meaning contextually fits the passages in Exodus 3:13-15a:  Moses then said to God [Elohim], ‘Look, if I go to the Israelites and say to me, “What is his name?” what am I to tell them?’  God [Elohim] said to Moses, ‘I am [YHWH] he who is.’  And he said, ‘This is what you are to say to the Israelites I am [YHWH] has sent me to you…’, which agrees with Exodus 3:6: I am the God of your ancestors …,  and Jesus’ “I AM” statements in the fourth Gospel i.e.: In all truth I tell you, before Abraham ever was, I AM (John 8:58).

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Roots of Hebrew letters – getting back to basics

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The Tetragrammaton inPaleo-Hebrew (10th century BCE to 135 CE), old Aramaic (10th century BCE to 4th century CE) and square Hebrew (3rd century BCE to present) scripts.

In Hebrew, each letter has a meaning, and together, form the overall meaning of the word.

Here are some charts showing the Hebrew letters and their meanings:

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Now, rewriting the name YHVH with the meanings assigned:

Reading from right to left………………..

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       Hey Vav Hey Yod

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Yod…….. arm and hand

Hey…….. behold, man with arms and hands raised

Vav………..nail, hook, secure

Hey ………..behold, man with arms and hands raised

What is this a picture of?

Emphasis is on the arms and hands and a nail

Another picture of a man, with arms and hands raised, with a nail:

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Even Pilate said 4000 years later to the crowd:

 

“Behold the man!”

Conclusion:

I think Moses had a very clear picture of WHO YHVH was, as God was speaking to him in the burning bush.

The angel of the Lord was there in the bush, when God (Elohim, plural) spoke to Moses, and the angel of the Lord (Malak YHVH) was a visible presence.

The very message in the name of YHVH spoke prophetically throughout all the ages to come, who He was, and how he would finally save his people.

 

 

I have thought and prayed about this a long time.  I hope I have interpreted it correctly.

Added notes from comment section:

In hebrew, “ani” means “I am.” not YHVH

God actually said ” אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה,” as his name, not יְהוָה

That is translated “I shall be that I shall be,” not “I am”

In English letters, god (Elohim) said his name was HYHA, not HVHY

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So, the point is that YHVH was not given by god Elohim to be a name.

it was a description!!!

The name officially given by Elohim was “I shall be that I shall be,” not “I am”

but “YHVH” is written there also…after writing “angel”..ie, Malak YHVH

What Moses was doing was describing what he saw. He had no word for this, so he used letters to form a word.

“Angel of the Lord” was actually meant to be the “angel, arm and hand, behold the man with his hands and arms raised up, with a nail…..behold the man with the man with his hands and arms raised up”

This site was just as amazing as the burning bush.

Moses had never seen a crucifixion.

He saw an “angel that was a crucified man”

 

Reference

Exodus 3 

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.

2 There the angel of the Lord (YHVH) appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.  Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.

4 When the Lord (YHVH) saw that he had gone over to look, God

(Elohim) called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”

And Moses said, “Here I am.”

5 “Do not come any closer,” God (Elohim) said. “Take off your

sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.”

6 Then he said, “I am the God (Elohim) of your father,[a] the God

(Elohim)of Abraham, the God (Elohim)of Isaac and the God

(Elohim) of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was

afraid to look at God (Elohim).

7 The Lord (YHVH) said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my

people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering.

8 So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the

Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.

9 And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen

the way the Egyptians are oppressing them.

10 So now, go. I am

sending you to Pharaoh to bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt.”

11 But Moses said to God (Elohim) “Who am I that I should go to

Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt?”

12 And God (Elohim) said, “I will be with you. And this will be the

sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you[b] will worship God on this mountain.”

13 Moses said to God (Elohim), “Suppose I go to the Israelites and

say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”

14 God (Elohim) said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you

are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

15 God (Elohim) also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The

Lord God (YHVH, Elohim) of your fathers—the God (Elohim) of

Abraham, the God (Elohim) of Isaac and the God (Elohim) of

Jacob—has sent me to you.’


125 Responses to “YHVH, Behold, the man, behold the nail”

  1. Wow…

  2. Woah! Like Isaiah 22:23!!! Gives me goosebumps! That awesome!

  3. And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father’s house

  4. I’ve only ever had a few Hebrew lessons, but I almost feel like slapping my forehead for not figuring it out myself. Well done!

    For anyone who wants to see how fascinating Hebrew is, take a look at this video:

    • Nice T
      I saw a few minutes and stopped when he said aramaic is a sister language to hebrew. Aramaic is the root language to the hebrew l. hebrew is younger than aramaic. abraham, Isaak and Jacob is Aramaic ant not hebrew. hebrew started with the 12 tribes/sons.

      • Adam, if you cut yourself off just because you disagree with some part of something, you do yourself a big disservice. I am still learning lots from people who are wrong in some aspect or other. Yes I could even learn something from you, but I’m not sure what yet….🙂

      • you should have listened to the whole thing . He further explains that exactly. He was using that term metaphorically. this was a great teaching. I had know some of this already but never put so well and together.

  5. Nice T –
    Hebrew was the original lanquage. All others come off of it. All believed in One God and they all spoke in one lanquage.
    Until at the Tower of Babel. When God gave them all different languages.

    Many theologians believe that Jesus spake Aramaic Hebrew language.
    Because of so many Jews that lived abroad in Aramaic countries. Which we know on the Day of Pentecost there were thousands of Jews there and they spoke many different kinds of languages.

    The real blessing is that on the day of Pentecost – they all could understand each other again through the Gift of tongues. Supernatural language to all of mankind. God restoring what Nimrod worship caused. Bringing back mankind who went into Babel worship. And Hear the ONE language again of Jesus Christ. The Gospel. Which was and is supernatural.

    Hope this helps someone.

  6. Marianne, my wife just pointed out to me that there is a mistake in your green YHVH header; reading from left to right, the third letter you have is a TSADE which is pronounced TS, but it should be a VAV which is pronounced V.
    You can check this in your own chart.

    Tom, I’m confident Hebrew was the original language, but I did not want to argue it with Adam.

    Adam, I think you stopped watching the video just before it started to get interesting.

  7. Sorry, I should have said reading from right to left. It’s so easy to make mistakes, isn’t it?

    • WHOOPS !!!!!!!

      Boy what a boo boo…..!

      I had not noticed. I picked the image because I liked the green letters….

      That is an ayin…….which is silent..so all the word said was yod hey…..hey which is “YAH” sound…..

      the tsadi is a different letter.

      but thanks. i am correcting it now.

  8. “Biblical scholars do not know how YHWH was originally pronounced because its original pronunciation, which was part of the sacred Oral Tradition of the Jews, was lost when the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.”

    Josephus: Jewish war shows that this tradition was quite simple. The high priest had in his forehead (turban) 4 sacred wovels. Torah had 4 consonants and when you join them with 4 wovels in turban you get the whole name. Of course no-one knows those 4 wovels because turban dissapeared when romans destroyd Jerusalem.

    Here is my guess:

    Je-hau-vem
    Je = I am
    hau = how
    vem = who

    I whose likeness there is no other.
    I am like nobody.
    I am like no-one else.

  9. Beautiful post Marianne

    I would like to add to this Elijahs understanding from 1 Kings 18
    24 And you call upon the name of your god, and I will call upon the name of the Lord (YHVH), and the God who answers by fire, he is God.” And all the people answered, “It is well spoken.”

    And then after the false prophets were proved wrong, the people of Israel proclaimed:

    39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The Lord, he is God; the Lord, he is God.” (YHVH elohiym)

    So to put it concisely. “Behold the Man, with arms and hands raised, with a nail, he is God”

    This is, the Law (Moses), and the Prophets (Elijah), proclaiming the “Mystery” as Paul calls it:

    9 and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in[b] God who created all things, (Ephesian 3:9)

    Or as Jesus said:

    16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.[e] 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void. (Luke 16:16-17)

    God bless.

  10. so, the point is that YHVH was not given by god to be a name.

    it was a description

    the name officially given was “I am”

    but YHVH is written there…after writing “angel”..

    what moses was doing was describing what he saw

    angel of the Lord was actually meant to be the angel, arm and hand, behold the man with his hands and arms raised up, with a nail…..behold the man with the man with his hands and arms raised up

    this site was just as amazing as the burning bush.

    moses had never seen a crucifixion.

    he saw an “angel that was a crucified man”

  11. The Word “Mal’ak” Means:
    1) messenger, representative

    a) messenger

    b) angel

    c) the theophanic angel

    The way I see it is that the Name YHVH IS the message, And the miracle of setting fire on Elijah’s alter was the confirmation of that Message. Israel denied God when they denied Jesus. Thus they denied the “Law and the prophets”

    In the New Testament, 1 John 4:8 states that “God is Love”. This is the message for the church. Love is the reason for all he does, including Judgement and wrath. Because He is the source of all Love. The greatest “Way” to show that love was being nailed to a cross. Our ONLY response to his love is to love others as he Loved us, thus his love is perfected in us, We are the vehicle of that Love. The nation of Israel was to carry The “Name” to all the nations. We are tasked with showing his Love (testifying about it) To the World. In the end, the mystery, and the promise of unity will be revealed. His Love WAS, and IS , and IS to come. On the other hand, the church is beginning to deny His love is sufficient, and the love of many is growing cold.

    Yes it is a description of what Moses saw, And it is The name above all names.

    In the end he will reveal himself, via the two witnesses, and His return as king. (Think of the transfiguration)

    God bless

  12. I noticed a different version of this video is posted in a different thread. This version is longer with extended audio, and doesn’t have pictures of Christ. It still is amazing.

  13. Try again!

  14. in hebrew, “ani” means “I am.” not YHVH

    God actually said ” אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה,” as his name, not יְהוָה

    that is translated I shall be that I shall be, not I am

    in english letters, god said his name was HYHA, not HVHY

  15. pronunciation of name.

    http://www.hope-of-israel.org/tetragram.html

  16. Here’s another video clip that expounds on the letters YHVH, looking at the application of this.

    • interesting extra thoughts..

      also, notice that HEY occurs twice in the name….

      Jesus (Yahshua) is both divine and human

      He is both victim and victor

      He comes first as a lamb, and again as a king.

      so his very name predicted his second coming and that two appearances would be necessary to fulfill his mission.

  17. Nice T
    This man says Jesus is Gods right hand. I don´t agree. Holy stephen looks up to the sky and sees Jesus sitting on his fathers right side. That means he is sitting next to his fathers left arm from thier point of view.
    Jesus is not the fathers right or left hand but the strong one in Jacob is the father that is in Jesus.

    • Ummm, Adam…..

      Try reading a Bible sometime.
      Though there are many scriptures that foreshadow the Messiah as being the “right hand” of God the Father in the Tanakh, here are some blatant ones that can’t be misunderstood that are in the New Testament.

      Matthew 22:44 where Yeshua quotes Psalm 110:1.

      Matthew 26:64. (Again Yeshua talking.)

      Mark 12:36. (Again Yeshua.)

      Mark 14:62. (Again.)

      Mark 16:19. (Mark.)

      Luke 20:42. (Yeshua.)

      Luke 22:69. (Yeshua.)

      Acts 2:25. (Peter.)

      Acts 2:33 & 34. (Peter Again.)

      Romans 8:34. (Paul.)

      Ephesians 1:20. (Paul Again.)

      Colossians 3:1. (Again Paul.)

      Hebrews 1:3. (Author unknown.)

      Hebrews 1:13. (Author unknown.)

      Hebrews 8:1. (Author unknown.)

      Hebrew 10:12. (Author unknown.)

      Hebrews 12:2. (Ditto.)

      1 Peter 3:22. (Peter.)

      Therefore in Acts 7:55 & 56 where Stephen sees the Lord Yeshua at the right hand of God the Father, he sees the Lord Yeshua at the right hand of the God the Father.

      Simple stuff.
      It’s right there in black and white.

  18. it seems like the catholica 900 year prophecy fulfilled. the last popo will be a black pope who is false prophet , he will work with anti-christ to enforce the one world order very soon, if false prophet appear , how far will it take for Jesus comes back ? very shortly

  19. If the Catholic Priests have read the prophecy you would think that they would vote for a white pope next as opposed to ‘the anti-christ’. “So everyone for the anti-christ gentlemen, now where is the white smoke powder?”

  20. let us see, black pope might mean a evil pope ???

    • Yes, “black” in this case means, dark, evil, not a skin color…but is this the case with the newly appointed pope? Doesn’t seem so on the surface but I quess we will have to.wait and see…….

  21. http://www.vibe.com/article/Pat-Boone-Obama-Marxist

  22. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~revival/hicks.html

    • Beautiful dream. Do you know the name of the missionaries to Kenya that you mentioned therein?

    • dear prophecyword

      thank you for sharing that dream. It seemed to show the bride still here until the 6th seal, when men run to caves to hide themselves. the cities being destroyed with the great earthquake.

      I look forward to the day, soon coming I hope, where the Bride goes forth to represent the Lord in healing the world, and giving him glory.

    • 6th seal , then it is (mid or post ) tribulation repature

  23. Pope Francis The ‘Final’ Pontiff?
    TODAY’S TOP RAIDS
    http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/

    Is Pope Francis The ‘Final’ Pontiff? An author who predicted Pope Benedict XVI would be the first pontiff in nearly 600 years to resign believes the election today of Jorge Mario Bergoglio as the 266th Roman Catholic pontiff lines up with a medieval prophecy that would make him the “final pope” before the End Times. Tom Horn, co-author with Cris Putman of the book “Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope is Here,” told WND today Bergoglio’s selection was a “fantastic fulfillment of prophecy.” Horn has said a pope of Italian descent would fulfill the prophecy, noting Bergoglio is the son of Italian parents and a Jesuit. “Being a Jesuit is a very important aspect of our prediction in our book,” Horn told WND in an email. Citing his book, Horn said the name “Petrus Romanus” in the prophecy “implies this pope will reaffirm the authority of the Roman Pontiff over the Church and will emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Faith and the Roman Catholic Church above all other religions and denominations, and its authority over all Christians and all peoples of the world.” Horn pointed out the Jesuits order was organized “to stop Protestantism from spreading and to preserve communion with Rome and the successor of Peter.”

    RNN NOTE: That Bergoglio–the final Pope on St. Malachy’s list and the one prophesied to reign over the church as it enters the Great Tribulation period–named himself after Saint Francis of Assisi is intriguing given that shortly before his death Assisi prophesied that at the time of the tribulation a man would “be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. For in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer” [Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi (1182-1226), Washbourne, 1882 AD, 248].

    Furthermore, in naming himself after Assisi, Bergoglio branded himself after an Italian (Roman) friar whose original name was
    Francesco di Pietro (Peter) di Bernardone — literally, Peter the Roman.

    • Hi copyfrom…
      I have been following the same information as you have. It certainly is a strong possibility that all of what you have read & reported will happen…I pray more people look into these aspects to at least understand the possibilities. Thank you for sharing this…blessings

  24. Thank you for this blog. I appreciate and loving the way how the Almighty God, through His people, share this information. Praise and glory to God our Father and the Lord Y’shua/Jesus Christ.

  25. The Lord will be taking His chosen ones into Him soon! This is a warning before the AntiChrist is revealed to the world.

    The earth will be judged before the rapture. The tribulation starts before the rapture. The bridegroom will be cleaned before the coming of Jesus. Pay close attention to Matthew 24:37. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. The key word here is the COMING of the Son of man.
    If you do not believe me, then believe God’s word because He speaks for Himself. The spirit of religion teaches that the rapture will happen before the tribulation and the revealing of the Antichrist. The spirit of religion is a liar and I bind and rebuke the spirit of religion in the name of Jesus. So lets get into some Word.
    Matthew 24:
    24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.
    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
    44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
    46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
    47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
    48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
    49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
    50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
    51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  26. The tribulation starts before the rapture. The bride will be cleaned before the coming of Jesus. Wanted to make sure I am correct on my wording.

    • Amein, the tares go first, Mat 13:37-43. When Yeshua returns He will clean up house first just as He did before in the Temple then He will gather His elect, His sheep, from the 4 corners of the earth and takes us up to (do aliyah) to Yahrushalayim. We must get ready now and rid ourselves of all man made and demon inspiered lies. This includes the star (of reifan) aka “David”, the kippas, the fish, yes even the cross and fixed (Hillel’s) calendar. That also means no more non-scriptural “prayer circles” that many have been doing like witches do in their gatherings. Search all things

  27. Here is a clue, the word “mercy” + ? = balance.

  28. Marianne there is no doubt that Yeshua has been all along with His elected people Israel. It was He who walked in the garden with Adam and Eve; He who visited Abraham; He who wrestled with Jacob and renamed him Israel, and He who took upon Himself the ten curses that an adulterous wife would have received, redeeming us from the curse of the law that applied to Israel as the adulteress wife-betrothed of Yahoshua. Cursed is the man who hangs on a tree and our curses He took on the tree.
    Yeshua has been the ultimate time traveler not being affected by time and space at all. Thus His death of about 2000 years ago is as if it had occurred right after the fall of the first Adam. Upon His return our cellular composition/ DNA will undergo a switch so our bodies will return to the way we were in the garden before the fall, no longer affected by time and space as we are now. Our bodies shall be like His (when He resurrected as second Adam), the ‘angel’, melechim or messenger of Yah; Yahoshua Ha Mashiach.

    • hi shoshana

      i know . it is a great study of his appearances….I want to do a post on it, to show the pattern…..people should have recognized him but they didn’t

  29. Oops, I left out that it was also Yeshua who as the melechim or angel of Yah gave His people Israel, through Moshe, the ten commandments to follow. Moshe saw Yeshua’s back. The Torah given through Moshe to Israel, the bride, is our ketuba or marriage certificate.

  30. Amein and Amein

  31. אהיה [ I exist ], go and tell the people, יהוה [ He exists ]

    In reference to “you may see my back” means I will give you knowledge only to the degree or amount that you can handle and no more. Not a literal seeing of God’s back.

  32. Jay that may be so, I do not know. Of course Yah only reveals to us what we can handle at the time but in this case I feel there is more to it as Yeshua has shown Himself before to certain elected ones as was the case when He came to Abraham with two of His angels. We must remember that none of them used the Hebrew that was used past the Babylonian exile which incorporated the Aramaic type letters.
    Ancient Israelites used Paleo Hebrew which is pictorial, and in the case of the name given Moshe, very revealing if one is to see Messiah as the promised groom of Israel. Rather than the Father (who has never presented Himself as a Man except through the Son) having married Israel and “Jesus” marrying the Roman descended Gentile church, How about Yeshua having betrothed His elect one, Israel, so that He can later come for her and consummate the marriage? That of course requires a serious change of paradigm on both the Gentile church and in Judaism at large. The one would have to see itself as GRAFTED into Israel (Rom 11) instead of replacing Israel, and the other would have to re-evaluate lots of scriptures and accept that their promised Messiah did indeed had to first come as Moshiach Ben Yosef to later return as Moshiach Ben David.

  33. Sorry to say, it is totally bogus. Incompetent. The incompetence is clear from the third or fourth paragraph, when the writer says that scholars typically “translate” YHWH as meaning “I am that I am.” No Hebrew scholar translates it that way. That phrase comes from another line in Exodus 3. Then, the Hebrew incompetence is further displayed, just before the three alphabet charts, when the writer says that the “letters” of a Hebrew word, when taken “together,” make up the “overall meaning” of that word. This is utter incompetence, especially since the written form of a language comes only after the oral/aural invention of a language’s vocabulary and grammar. The meaning of a word is usually totally unrelated to the meaning of its letters. If we carried out that program consistently in Hebrew Bible, then every entry in the Alef section of the dictionary would have to have some reference in its meaning to “Ox,” the Hebrew “alef.” Sure, occasionally the word “alef” works that way. Alef = Ox/Cow. But what about the hundred or two other words that begin with ‘alef, let alone all the other words that contain “alef? It would be like defining “Michael” by the ideograms that lie behind the letters of that name: “water” (M), “hand” (yodh), Hand again (kaf), ox (alef), and ox goad or shepherd’s staff (lamed). I’m sure we could invent any number of interesting stories to “explain” that combination. Finally in the “additional notes” section, the writer displays a third incompetence when he says that Hebrew “ani” means “I am.” Hebrew “ani” (just like its close Arabic and Aramaic cognates) means “I.” In nominative clauses, we might supply the verb “am,” but the word does not mean “I am.” So, this is a delightful bit of pious ignorance, that some will wish to be true. However, we don’t need it to know that Jesus is indeed the incarnation of YHWH, as every careful reader of John 12 and Philippians 2 can know, without resorting to this sort of linguistic magic. For firm knowledge of the Bible’s teaching on this question, check the OT texts that lie behind John 12:41 and Philippians 2:10-11. Thoughts?

    • dear byron

      We must have different bibles or commentaries.

      YHVH actually has no translated meaning (so you are right in that respect) but words like “Lord” and “I am who I am” have been substituted for it in commentaries.

      the word for lord is actually adon, not yhvh.

      the I AM comes from Exodus 3:14, as you should know. When god (elohim) was asked his name, that is how he responded, “I am”

      It did not say YHVH was asked his name, it said elohim was asked, but over time, the YHVH was assigned translations such as I AM anyhow.

      then when Jesus was confronted about who he was, he responded with “before abraham was, I AM” this reinforced the modern use of I AM for YHVH by those who equated Jesus with YHVH.

      translations are inexact when translating hebrew. For example,
      the word elohim is usually translated God, even though it is plural, not singular.

      what was written here was more of a revelation or inspirational nature. so I am sorry you did not accept it. But it still inspires me.

      and you are right in that the exact ancient meanings do not typically translate like a sentence with most hebrew words. But even the Jews study each letter of each word, to find deeper meanings, even if there is no direct translation from those meanings.

      when very early languages began, the letters used were significant…the chinese language is still that way….for example, the word for creation consists of symbols representing man, woman and garden.

      I do not know why you say the “ani” does not mean ” I am”….if I were to say in hebrew “I am marianne,” then I would say ani marianne. if I wanted to say I am a student, then I would say ani talmidah.

      the “am” is just implied, but that is the translation…..the verb is supplied and implied with the pronoun.

      And again, I did not translate Exodus 3:14. someone else did.

      the actual correct translation is “I shall be that I shall be” not “I am who I am”…. but since that is what people understand, I use what they have been taught and go from there.


      so you do not have to insult me. this is a free expression blog, and I allow disagreement.

      what I would like people to experience is the inspiration from the study of the word of god. it is not dry and academic writing….the Word is a Person, and sometimes he can speak directly to us through the written word, with meanings that do not seem to appear there.

      the word of god has literal meanings….there are other level of meanings way beyond that that are still true, and consistent with the context.

      that is what I saw here….it was a message from YHVH to the generations that followed Moses as to what kind of Lord he really was.

      he was showing us the future fulfillment when he would come to earth as messiah, and actually act out the words in his name.

      this is a visionary level, not literal….but if people 2000 years ago had been thoughtful enough to ponder the true meaning of YHVH, since it was never technically defined and translated for them, they would have reacted when pilate said “behold the man,” and had Jesus nailed to the cross.

      what I was trying to show what that the meanings of the letters used in YHVH, revealed to Moses, was a prophecy of what was to come, and a hint as to what kind of messiah to look for. but alas, people missed their visitation, and they crucified their messiah.


      see what you think of my response first, before we discuss John and Philippians.

      thank you.

  34. I too have read about the meaning of each Hebrew letter, especially Paleo Hebrew’s pictographs. Alev tav right from Bereshit or Genesis is full of meaning. Let us not forget in the Hebrew mind set there are four levels of meaning to a passage and letters withing words play an important part in these meanings. I suppose one can argue from a Hellenistic point of view and see it differently but then the bible was written by Jews, not Greeks.

  35. Hebrew is not the original language…it is from the tower of Babel and is a very insuffient language….God promised to send man a PURE LANGUAGE so man could call on his name…Zeph 3-9… For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. ..This pure anguage does not appear until THE NATIONS ARE ALL GATHERED TOGETHER..VERSE 8…It could be english, it positively is not Hebrew…
    Moses might have written the first five books in the hebrew language but that is because Hebrew came from the tower of babel which preceded Moses..

    GOD SAID HE IS THE I AM…JESUS SAID HE IS THE I AM…

    Jehovah’s witness have tried for years to deceive people into thinking there are two gods,, the big god Jehovah and the little God Jesus…and satan is continuing this deception..

    WAKE UP FOLKS

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  39. this information is truly idea for self explanatory. thanks rabbi

  40. Another interesting name of God is found in Gen 1:1 which the Jews don’t really understand why it is there. That name is AT or Aleph Tav. In Paleo Hebrew the Tav was a cross and the Aleph was an ox. Yeshua said, I am the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end which in Hebrew would have been Aleph Tav. The cross (Tav) represents humility and that should become the end of every man. An ox (Aleph) represents rebellion, stubbornness, and pride which is how every man starts out so sure of his own strength and abilities. So too Yeshua who came as a man to lead us to heaven and humility is our Aleph Tav. And you notice that in those first 7 Hebrew words in Gen 1:1 that the Aleph Tav is right there in the middle. And since Aleph Tav immediately follows Elohiym what we are actually seeing is a compound construct like how the two words school and house create the new word schoolhouse so too we have a proper perspective of God as Elohiym-At. Another interesting word in Gen 1:1 is Vat which is the Hebrew word for “and” which connects Heaven and Earth in Gen 1:1. I find Vat interesting because next to the Aleph is the nail (Vav) which once you nail or crucify the carnal nature of the ox (Aleph) then you can join things together under the cross (humility). Even the most impossible of extremes Heaven and Earth are joined at the cross which after all was the purpose of Yeshua coming from Heaven to Earth.

  41. Actually I do believe Paleo Hebrew is older than Aramaic. Regardless it does not really matter as that is like arguing over which came first the chicken or the egg. Hey Spanish is similar to Portuguese and Italian and Ladino, the Sapnish spoken byt Sephardic Jews long ago, is similar to old Spanish…

    Of more importance is Yahoshua, Yeshua, Yahsha, who paid the bride’s price and is returning soon. Are we following His precepts and Sabbaths or the man made ones? The calendar the world follows is basically the one Rome imposed, as are many of the teachings inherited by the Christian church who even inherited the pagan term “crestianus” from Rome. Talk about confussion!

    At any rate today we celebrate Yom Teruah as the new moon was sighted by many witnesses last night in Israel so let us all shout AleluYah!

  42. yess really too good
    and i inspire and getting whichday is is sabbath day i finding
    really sabbath day is very very good
    and tell me one answer what is real name in bible and meaning ehya messia and jesus christ

  43. yahhhh reallyyyyy tooo goood thank u soooomuch
    and tell me what is real name oj jesus

  44. how to comming heaven and what i will do please answer me and how to my charecter will be inspire to god then what i will donot for 1000yrs democrocy whats about that

    • raj

      real original name for jesus is yahshua…which means salvation in hebrew.

      when jesus comes back, he will destroy evil, and establish peace for 1000 years.

      then the devil will get out of hell for a short time, and try to fight jesus in war….

      devil will lose the battle, and be put in lake of fire forever!!!!

      read the bible each day, and talk to god…tell him you want to give him your heart and love..and obedience.

      reject evil and sin, and trust god for your life…

      ask jesus to be your personal savior so you can belong to him and he will protect you.

      he died for your sins, so you could go to heaven with him, accept his sacrifice for you

      evil is on earth and you need his protection.

      may god bless you

  45. Raj allow me to jump in. The Romans changed many things a long time ago. They changed the days of Yahveh, not just His holy eternal Sabbath that Yeshua and His disciples kept but also His 7 yearly Sabbaths or appointment times for which it says in Genesis He set the sun and moon. Rome mixed the pagan holidays such as saturnalia renaming it christ mass. Christ or crestus is the title given to deities and kings meaning anointed. Therefore Cesar was christ and you were supposed to pay homage to him on his day, the day of the sun deity, sun day. There were other groups such as the followers of Serapis Crestus (another sun god) who were known as crestianus, name later applied by the Romans to the followers of Yeshua. Rome also came up with another “Christ”, their very own false anomia or lawless crestus in whose honor they held masses full of pagan symbolic acts, such as the eucharist. This crestus romanus, unlike the Jewish promised Messiah wore toga and had long hair, looking very much European. Jews only let their hair grow when they were doing a nazarite vow such as the one Rabbi Shaul (Apostle Paul) and other believers made after Yeshua’s resurrection (Acts 21:24 ). In effect the Roman dictatorship revamped everything creating a new religion, replete with their own renamed idols (incorporated gods and goddesses), their feasts days and of course Sunday, the day in honor of Cesar (christ) and the sun deity. In reality I don’t think is does justice to translate Messiah to Christ mainly due to the pagan connotations of the word christ. While Messiah also means anointed it carries the promises attached, and that I know of, it was never applied to either Cesar nor to any of the pagan sun deities.

    Going back to the name, Yeshua literally means salvation. To be specific, Yahoshua means salvation from Yah, and Yah we know was the shorter version of Yahveh. Some use Yahweh and one can argue one way or the other but due to the rabbinic zealously of not pronouncing the name there is a great deal of controversy over the correct pronunciation of the Eternal’s name. Personally I don’t think any human being really know THE NAME, only the son does, Yeshua. We only know Yeshua’s name because HE is the intermediary from the beginning. He was involved in the creation of this heaven and earth from the start as the light (see Gen 1) when earth was a chaotic mass of dirt and water where darkness was seen residing. It was Yeshua who walked in the cool of the day with Adam, teaching Adam Torah. Keep in mind Adam’s son, Abel, was doing animal sacrifices of clean animals which were accepted, whereas Cain’s weren’t. Later we see Noah knowing the difference between clean and unclean animals, having 7 pairs of each the clean ones enter the arc (Gen 7:2) and also later making animal sacrifices with the clean ones (Gen 8:20). Of Abraham it is literally said in Gen 26:5 that he followed Torah (according to the book of Jasher he learned it as a child from Shem, Noah’s son). When Moses meets with both the Eternal and the intermediary on Mount Zion it is Yeshua’s back that he sees as no man can see the Father and live. When Yeshua gives Moses the written ten (as a wedding contract or ketubah with Israel, but that is another explanation) Moses asked Him in whose name is this? Yeshua then answered YHVH which in Paleo Hebrew literally means ‘Behold the hand; Behold the nail’, a clear indication of who was talking with Moses and of the Messianic sacrifice that Yeshua would do years later in our time and space continuum. Keep in mind that when Eve and Adam accepted the seed bearing fruit from Satan, Yah had to encapsulate this planet (and possibly constellation) in time and space to limit us and really to protect all His creation. Just as we saw Yeshua do after His resurrection Yeshua is a time traveler as He is not affected by time and space as we are presently. Therefore His sacrifice 2000 years ago in our time was as if it had occurred right in the garden when Adam fell. Yeshua, just as His name implies, is literally our salvation. He paid the incarceration price and took our curse upon Him. He paid the bride price to set us free but as a good bride we are to be loyal to Him and follow His precepts rather than that of others, including Rome’s.

  46. If you might a slight fist and look between your thumb and forefinger you can actually see the Yod it makes. Pound a nail in there and you still have the fist but instead of seeing the light through it you see the dark iron and blood.
    Hey is an interesting letter since it represents the breath of Yah which He added to Abram’s (אַבְרָם)name calling him Abraham (אַבְרָהָם) and contrastly substituted the Yod in Sarai’s name with the Hey going from Sarai (שָׂרַי) to Sarah (שָׂרָה). It is like Yah was saying to Abraham I am adding my Spirit to you so you may do my work, and to Sarah He took away her Yod (labor of the hand, striving in the flesh) and substituted His ministry to her. She was no longer a wife serving her husband, but her role expanded as a Mistress of the house governing her servants to do the needful tasks of the house and freeing her to do the work of Yah aka lifting up and encouraging Abraham and helping him in the calling of Yah on his life.
    When I see YHVH spelled out, I see the physical hand, I hear the physical exhaling as the physical nail is driven into the hand and the last Hey I see as the Spiritual breath of Yah as He grimaces for His Son’s pain. So it is that the physical world is connected to the Spiritual world.
    YHVH is like His Manifest Destiny, His Magna Carta, His Constitution written and complete in 4 letters. It represents what He intended to do and what He accomplished and what He has yet to do. His destiny in what He planned to do for His creation is manifested in the very meaning of the letters. Those 4 letters alone will preach the Gospel in any corner of the world, and make every demon cringe.

  47. This is an example of human Lords passing the authority. MOSES delivering his brothers from captivity and changing the tides from minority being opressed to minorities becoming oppressors. The beauty of serving the God of breath, air,sperit is breathtaking. One can Not destroy what they can’t see. The breath of Yah is in all of us. No idols, no no worship of man

  48. Marianne, you said,:
    “So, the point is that YHVH was not given by god Elohim to be a name. it was a description!!!”

    I say: Isaiah 42:8 NJB
    I am Yahweh, that is my name! I shall not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols.

    You said: “…What Moses was doing was describing what he saw. He had no word for this, so he used letters to form a word.
    You also said, quote: “Angel of the Lord” was actually meant to be the “angel, arm and hand, behold the man with his hands and arms raised up, with a nail…..behold the man with the man with his hands and arms raised up” ”

    I say: This is just your opinion- Moses did not have any trouble expressing himself with the finer points of Mosaic law. It is ludicrous to suggest that he could not describe the image of a crucified man if he saw one, and that instead he would proffer an explanation by the use of vague letters which do not at all accurately describe an execution, let alone the image of crucifixion. And it is very dangerous to suggest that Moses did not actually mean what he said- you seem to be following the same line of reasoning used by proponents of the false triune god- ie, reading the words but extracting a meaning which is not there.

    You said:”The angel of the Lord was there in the bush, when God (Elohim,plural) spoke to Moses,
    You also quoted Exodus 3:14: “God (Elohim) said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

    I say: Isaiah 42:8 NJB I am Yahweh, that is my name! I shall not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols.
    Please note the use of ‘I’ singular, ‘my’ singular, and the statement that Yahweh is ‘my name’. Please note, He does not say ‘We are Yahweh, that is our name’.

    • jacob

      ok, i concede. YHVH is both the name and description. the point I poorly made is that the YHVH is more than a name, it is a description also

      there is only one god, I agree, who is elohim, but the “angel” that was there was more than an angel, in my opinion

      you are using Isaiah to explain Exodus, when the context is different

      elohim said his name was I am, not YHVH

      I think the “angel” was Jesus, whose name is YHVH, just my opinion (at least for now).

      • Marianne,

        Irenaeus and Justin Martyr share your opinion that it was Jesus who spoke to Moses from the Bush. And it may well have been. The apostle Paul may well have alluded to this or implied it when he said that the ‘spiritual rock which followed them was Christ’. I prefer to err on the side of caution and wait to learn from Jesus when he comes again. I just find it hard to believe that the apostles knew this and yet did not mention it clearly in their witness. Jesus was silent.That, coupled with the other instances in the Bible where the angel of the Lord is mentioned. It depends what is meant by ‘angel’. The general meaning is ‘messenger’. But we are also told that Jesus is above the angels- so here a different meaning is intended. In my opinion, where the ‘angel of the Lord/YHWH’ appears, the principle of Shaliach has been employed- the angel has been sent in all authority from God and is His representative.

        • jacob

          in the case of the “bush” both god and the angel spoke, which is what I tried to point out.

          while Jesus /Yahshua is above the angels, moses described in his best terms what he saw, and used the term angel.

          other writers later described “angel” or “someone like a man”

          • Marianne,

            Part 1

            I do not read Exodus 3 as you do, because I do not see why it is necessary for an angel/messenger of God to be present, if, as I think you are claiming, God Himself is declaring the message to Moses. Yet the narrative clearly stated that Moses saw an the angel of Yahweh in the midst of the fire, and the implication is that God’s message was conveyed by His angel.
            I read it in the following manner: Yahweh is God. God is a title of Yahweh. We are told that an angel of Yahweh spoke from the fire. The angel is called Yahweh (v4) because Yahweh is speaking through him and the angel is his emissary acting in his name and authority (another example of the shaliach principle I mentioned earlier, another example being Jesus’own ministry- ’12:44-45 Jesus declared publicly: Whoever believes in me believes not in me but in the one who sent me, and whoever sees me, sees the one who sent me’).

            Exodus 3
            2 And the angel of the LORD (YHWH) appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
            3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
            4 And when the LORD (YHWH) saw that he turned aside to see, God(Elohim) called unto him out of the midst of the bush,…
            [Another illustration- suppose Tom is the Boss..so v4 becomes ‘And when Tom saw that he turned aside to see, the Boss called unto him out of the midst..]

            This is not the first time an angel of Yahweh has been called Yahweh or God, as you will see in the examples I provide later.
            Please note that ‘Elohim’ is the Greek word used for God in the Greek text; it is the plural form but this does not mean it means a plurality of Gods, it depends on the context, the plural form can also be applied to mean the singular Supreme God, or ‘God of Gods’. In other contexts it can also mean judge/magistrate/god/God/gods/Gods. It has even been applied in the plural form to Moses Exodus 7:1

            I have come to the above conclusion for the following reasons. Hopefully you will follow through the examples and see how they relate to Exodus and the Burning Bush. To save time, I have pasted a shortened and edited post I had made on another website some time ago on this and a related issue, based on other instances where the angel of the Lord is mentioned.

            Quoting from my post:

            “…Some more verses from Genesis 18 and 19:
            Genesis 18:22 KJV
            22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD (YHWH).
            Genesis 19:1-5 KJV
            19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
            2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
            3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
            4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
            5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

            In v5, the Sodomites call for Lot to give up the two men (the angels) who came to stay with him in the night.

            Genesis 19:12-14 KJV
            12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
            13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD (YHWH); and the LORD (YHWH) hath sent us to destroy it.
            14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

            In v12 and v13, the angels, once again called men by the writer of Judges, warn Lot to bring the rest of the family out of the city because YHWH has sent THEM to destroy the city.

            Note that v14 says that YHWH will destroy the city. Yet we are told that the third ‘man’ called YHWH by the writer of Judges, is still with Abraham (Gen 18:22).
            (Part 2 to follow)

            • jacob

              since the bible says they both spoke, then the were both there. if the angel was the only one there, he would do all the talking

              there are other examples of angels speaking to man, and it did not indicate god showed up too. the angels just brought a message and that was it.

              but here, there is a double presence, which is unusual.

          • Marianne,

            Part 2

            Genesis 19:24 KJV
            24 Then the LORD (YHWH) rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD (YHWH) out of heaven;

            So, what then do we make of the above?

            INTERPRETATION 1
            As I said before, it is possible that the pre-existent Jesus was acting in his Father YHWH’s name and was thus said by the writer of judges to be YHWH, according to the Shaliach principle of agency. However, some people claim that the pre-existent Jesus is the angel of YHWH in the OT. However, it does seem strange that when Jesus gives an account of Moses and the Burning Bush, and he refers to God (Elohim) speaking, if he himself was actually the angel of YHWH, he does not mention it.

            Stephen’s account of the Burning Bush also makes no mention of Jesus being the angel of YHWH.

            Note also that in Matthew 1:20, that the angel of YHWH appeared to Joseph in a dream AFTER Mary had conceived.

            Peter did not say that his encounter with the/an angel of YHWH was Jesus (Acts 12:11)

            INTERPRETATION 2
            That YHWH mentioned in Genesis 18:1 is/are actually the angel(s) of YHWH acting in the name of the Father.

            Examples of the Angel of Yahweh being called Yahweh are provided later in this comment. I think that this is more probable, as God has always used angels in the past to execute his wrath and will do so in the future according to the Book of Revelation. Also, in Genesis 19:24, we see that ‘the LORD (YHWH) rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD (YHWH) out of heaven;
            We know that two angels were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, and we also know that when Lot was told by the two angels that they were sent to destroy the city (Gen 19:13), Lot immediately understood that by His angels ‘.. the LORD will destroy this city. (Gen 19:14 above). For Lot, the action of YHWH’s angels was synonymous with YHWH in heaven destroying the city. In addition to the action of His angels on the ground acting in His Name, we see that YHWH in heaven raining down fire from above- again, probably through His angels in heaven acting in His Name.
            When the Queen of England or the President of the USA go to war, they do not actually go and fight themselves, they send their troops. Even though it is the troops who actually destroy the enemy, it would not be incorrect to say that the Queen or the President destroyed their enemies. It would have obviously been through the actions of their troops.

            INTERPRETATION 3
            YHWH mentioned in Genesis 18:1 is actually a manifestation of YHWH himself.
            If angels can appear in the form of a human, it is certainly a possibility (however unlikely), that YHWH himself could appear in the FORM of a human, disguising His glory so that he could appear before men. We know that angels are invisible and that the Father is invisible. Yet the Father appeared in the form of a human WITH Christ to Daniel in a night vision:

            Daniel 7:9-10 KJV
            9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
            10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
            Daniel 7:13-14 KJV
            13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
            14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

            Stephen also saw Jesus standing with the Father (Acts 7:55)

            The Father was in the form of a human in the Book of Revelation when Jesus takes the book from His Father’s hand (Rev 5:7).
            However, let’s look at Genesis 19:24 KJV again:
            Genesis 19:24 KJV
            24 Then the LORD (YHWH) rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD (YHWH) out of heaven;

            Are there other instances where angels have been called Yahweh/YHWH in scripture?

            Yes.

            Here the Shaliach principle has been employed again:
            Genesis 16:7-13 KJV
            7 And the angel of the LORD (YHWH) found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
            8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai’s maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
            9 And the angel of the LORD (YHWH) said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
            10 And the angel of the LORD (YHWH) said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
            11 And the angel of the LORD (YHWH) said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD (YHWH) hath heard thy affliction.
            12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
            13 And she called the name of the LORD (YHWH) that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?

            Please note v13. She calls the Angel of YHWH by the name of YHWH.

            The account of the Burning Bush:

            Exodus 3:1-14 KJV
            3 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
            2 And the angel of the LORD (YHWH) appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
            3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
            4 And when the LORD (YHWH) saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
            5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
            6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
            7 And the LORD (YHWH) said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;

            Note that the Angel of YHWH is called YHWH, but he is still an angel!

            Compare the above with Jesus’ account below in Mark 12:26:

            Mark 12:26 KJV
            26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
            The Shaliach principle has been used again.

            Now let’s look at the story of Gideon, where the angel of YHWH speaks for YHWH and the text says it is YHWH speaking. The Shaliach principle again:

            Judges 6:11-16 KJV
            11 And there came an angel of the LORD (YHWH), and sat under an oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites.
            12 And the angel of the LORD (YHWH) appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD (YHWH) is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.
            13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh my Lord, if the LORD (YHWH) be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where be all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the LORD (YHWH) bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD (YHWH) hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.
            14 And the LORD (YHWH) looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?
            15 And he said unto him, Oh my Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my family is poor in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father’s house.
            16 And the LORD (YHWH) said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man.
            Judges 6:20-23 KJV
            20 And the angel of God (YHWH) said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so.
            21 Then the angel of the LORD (YHWH) put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD (YHWH) departed out of his sight.
            22 And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD (YHWH), Gideon said, Alas, O LORD (YHWH) God! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD (YHWH) face to face.
            23 And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.

            Here, in v13, Gideon did not know that the speaker was the angel of YHWH, but you can see that in v14 the angel of the Lord now takes on the name YHWH directly by the WRITER. But, he is still not Yahweh, as is clarified later in the passage!

            Now let’s look at the story of Manoah, the father of Samson:
            Judges 13:21-22 KJV
            21 But the angel of the LORD (YHWH) did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD (YHWH).
            22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God (YHWH).
            The Shaliach principle again.

            CONCLUSION: Although I believe that all three interpretations are possible, I believe the weight of scriptural evidence suggests to me that in all probability we find the Angel of YHWH in Genesis 18:1 and at Genesis 18:22. We will ultimately find out the truth of the matter when our Lord Jesus Christ returns.”

            Again, I say that this also applies to the Exodus incident of the Burning Bush.

            • jacob

              I do not think I agree with all this shuffling of IDs back and forth…it is waffling….people knew who they were talking to. I am sure the angels knew who they were also

              any holy angel of the Lord would never accept being called the name of God….unless it was a special angel, who allowed himself to be called this name, which is what I am suggesting…if the “angel” in certain cases was the son of God, then he would accept this name YHVH for himself

              • Marianne,

                You are very much mistaken.
                You say “any holy angel of the Lord would never accept being called the name of God….unless it was a special angel, who allowed himself to be called this name, ….if the “angel” in certain cases was the son of God, then he would accept this name YHVH for himself”

                I say: When did I ever say that an angel of YHWH would accept this name for himself? Even Jesus would not!
                You say: “people knew who they were talking to. I am sure the angels knew who they were also”.
                I say: Of course they did. In the instances where the angel of the Lord is mentioned in the Bible, most people obviously knew it was an angel and not Yahweh himself, or at least in all cases it was known by the writer, else the angel of the Lord would not have been mentioned by the writer! I agree that angels know who they are. when did I say they did not?
                No doubt it would appear to be waffle to you because you do not understand what is the role and function of angel/messenger of YHWH. How is it you can understand that when Isaiah says “I am Yahweh, that is my name! I shall not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols”, Isaiah is not claiming to be Yahweh, but that he is proclaiming Yahweh’s message? Yet when an angel of Yahweh says “I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”, how is it you do not understand that he is not claiming to be Yahweh but he is in fact proclaiming Yahweh’s message?
                Similarly, Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Is Yahweh Himself saying this directly to John? No, we are told that Jesus sent his angel to proclaim the message. No one would think for one minute that the angel was claiming to be God Almighty!

                Which is why I gave you some examples from the Bible to read through, including:
                Exodus 3
                2 And the angel of the LORD (YHWH) appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
                3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
                4 And when the LORD (YHWH) saw that he turned aside to see, God(Elohim) called unto him out of the midst of the bush,…
                And also the story of Gideon, where the angel of YHWH speaks for YHWH and the text says it is YHWH speaking. Judges 6:11-16 KJV.The Shaliach principle again.

                John 10:33-36 KJV
                34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
                35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
                36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

                Psalm 82:6-8 KJV

                6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
                7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
                8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

                Psalm 136:2 KJV2

                O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

                God the Father Himself calls those to whom he has sent His word, ‘gods’, and Jesus points this out to the Jews (John 10:33-35). Jesus understood this from his own knowledge of the Scriptures. Which is why he clarified himself to avoid any confusion, saying that he is the Son of God, not God himself.
                If you wish to learn, I suggest you read Part 1 and Part 2 I posted again and go through the examples. If not, leave it.

                • jacob

                  if an angel was quoting god, then he would speak in the third person, not first person…he would say “thus, says the Lord…” he would not say ” I am this, or I am that.” god is not the author of confusion.

                  where you said:
                  “When did I ever say that an angel of YHWH would accept this name for himself? ”

                  I never said you did. that was just part of my reply.

                  and where you said:

                  “Even Jesus would not!”

                  my reply to that is yes he did….not usually while on earth, as he was called Jesus / yahshua.. except for one time, when he accepted Thomas calling him “my lord and my god”…later he called himself the alpha and omega…which is a term YHVH used to describe himself

                  • Marianne,

                    Genesis 16:10
                    The angel of Yahweh further said to her, ‘I shall make your descendants too numerous to be counted.’

                    I say: Will Yahweh or the angel make her descendants too numerous to be counted? Obviously, the angel speaks in the first person FOR Yahweh, just as he did in Exodus in the account of the Burning Bush.
                    How do we know that it is not Yahweh himself? The writer tells us that an angel of Yahweh spoke.

                    Genesis 16:13
                    Hagar gave a name to Yahweh who had spoken to her, ‘You are El Roi,’ by which she meant, ‘Did I not go on seeing here, after him who sees me?’

                    I say: Hagar calls the angel ‘God’. The writer himself calls the angel ‘Yahweh’, not because he is Yahweh, but because the angel proclaims Yahweh’s message and is His emissary, just as Jesus acknowledged as I pointed out in my previous response to you if you had read it.

                    I say: What does the writer John, ‘the disciple whom Jesus loved’, tell us about Jesus in his book?

                    John 12:44-45
                    Jesus declared publicly: Whoever believes in me believes not in me but in the one who sent me,
                    and whoever sees me, SEES THE ONE WHO SENT ME.

                    John 17:3
                    And eternal life is this: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

                    John 20:28-30
                    And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
                    Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

                    I say:When Thomas made his statement in John 20:28, it could have been an exclamation, or it could have been a recognition and final acceptance of Jesus’ claim mentioned in John 12:44-45, or he could have meant it in the sense of my Lord and Master, or he could have meant it in the sense of Jesus being his God, which he is and is not incorrect to say, or it could have been a combination of one or all of them – but one thing is absolutely clear: Jesus NEVER claimed to be Yahweh, who he acknowledged to be his God.

                    I say: Lastly, the writer John’s clear intention is stated at the end of the chapter, so as there to be no doubt:

                    John 20:31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

                    Exodus 3:15
                    God further said to Moses, ‘You are to tell the Israelites, “Yahweh, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.” This is my name for all time, and thus I am to be invoked for all generations to come.

                    I say: Yahweh is the name of the Father only. Jesus never took the name of the Father. Instead his own name glorified his Father’s name by being named Jesus or ‘Yahweh is Salvation’.

                    ‘Alpha and Omega’ is not the same as ‘Yahweh’. Yahweh did not say that ‘Alpha and Omega’ was His name to be ‘invoked for all generations’. The title ‘Alpha and Omega’ is in some New Testament translations implied/applied to Jesus as well, in some it is not mentioned. Whatever the case, it’s usage is qualified and differentiated with either the Father ‘Lord God, who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty’ or with Son ‘ ‘Do not be afraid; it is I, the First and the Last; I am the Living One, I was dead and look — I am alive for ever and ever, and I hold the keys of death and of Hades.’ So even if it is attributed to Jesus also, its usage is still qualified and so therefore must also apply in a different sense.

                    Marianne, you are very much mistaken.

  49. Jacob. Nobody knows the Father’s name except the son, and nobody knows the son’s name except the Father. In Hebrew names were often meant to be a description of the person wearing the name. Thus yeshua or salvation became Yeshua’s name, or more to the point, Yahoshua, meaning salvation from Yahveh.
    Behold the hand, behold the nail is exactly what the letters YHVH mean in the Paleo Hebrew they used.

    • Shoshana,

      Mankind has been given two names by God through His prophets, God’s name and that of His Son. How they are spelled and pronounced is debatable, Yahweh/Yehovah/Yahuha and Yahushua/Yeshua/Jesus, etc; but when used we know to whom they are referring- and so does God. The Son’s name means ‘Yahweh Saves’. He said he came in his Father’s name. As long as we do not lose sight of that I can accept that the letters YHVH in the ancient script might well symbolise the nail, raised arms, behold the man, etc. As long as people do not make the mistake in thinking that this means that Jesus is God Almighty. Jesus will always be the Son of God.

  50. Correct Marianne, the “angel” of Elohim is often times His right arm, He is His Yeshua or salvation who first came to minister as Second Adam and was nailed to a tree on top of the Mount of Olives.
    Translated “angel or messenger” of Elohim, Yeshua interacted many times with man prior to his Second Adam ministry such as when Abraham bowed down to Him and ate with Him. Also with Jacob when He wrestled with him renaming Jacob Israel. Yeshua has been interacting with man from the start as intercessor between Yah Father and man and is soon to do it again as Yeshua ben David.

    • Shoshana,

      Just supposition. Jesus may well have put in an appearance on these occasions, and others- but it is not specifically mentioned. Gabriel and Michael are also ‘angels of the Lord’. More angels are mentioned in Revelation. How do you know that it was not any one of these who was sent on any of these occasions? Why does one have to assign a name when one has not been given? Can we just not accept what is written?

  51. Jacob ‘Malack’ translated angel is indeed messenger. This word could apply to a regular angel, cherub, archangel, or to Yeshua (salvation)/ “Jesus”. He is the right hand of Yahveh and is presently ministering as High Priest interceding for Israel (and those really grafted in like Ruth was thus becoming part of Israel). He is not affected by time and space as we are now. His death on an olive tree (representing Israel) about 2000 years go is as if it happened 6000 years ago or today. He is in effect the Tree of Life found in Eden and also in Revelation. So yes, He interacted with Abraham and the promised seed from the start. In fact it was Him with whom Adam walked in Eden instructing Adam in His and Papa’s Torah which is why you see Abel raising sheep even though they were vegetarians till after the flood. This was sheep for sacrifices like the ones done to cover Adam and Eve. This instruction were obviously passed down through Seth, made in Adam’s image, to Noah who in Gen 7:2 shows he knew about clean and unclean animals as 7 pairs, not 2, of each of the clean ones were put in the arc and later Noah also uses clean animals for sacrifices, Gen 8:20.

    If I wrote a book and mentioned ‘so and so got ready in the morning’ would I necessarily mention he used the toilet to urinate and brushed his teeth? Chances are I won’t because that is a given. Hebrew writers were often succinct in their writings as many things were taken for granted like the understanding behind the Middle East covenant system. Moreover, they used many idioms popular at the time that are basically lost to us today. Hebrew is said to be an action oriented language, not an intellectual one like Greek therefore we don’t necessarily see what is written on our Western thinking terms. So we should not put too much weight into something that was not expelled out such as Yeshua was interceding with man like He did many times as the messenger or right hand of the Father. He didn’t have to necessarily say it.

  52. Totally agree Jacob. While we don’t necessarily know the Hebrew name of either the Father or the Son we do know Yeshua’s name is literally ‘salvation’ (yeshua) from Yahveh thus Yahoshua. I am trying to learn Hebrew as many things become evident in the Hebrew that escapes us in Western languages. I know from experience translating that many things are lost in the process as their true gist is lost. This goes double for Hebrew with its nuances like aleph tav (alpha omega) found from the start of Genesis and seemingly marking certain passages through the Tanach (“OT”). And yes, Yeshua will always be the son, even when He returns as Moshiach ben David.

    • Shoshana, I am glad you agree.

      Exodus 3:15 God further said to Moses, ‘You are to tell the Israelites, “Yahweh, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.” This is my name for all time, and thus I am to be invoked for all generations to come.

  53. In some verses like Psalm 110:1 it reads “Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” In Hebrew is Yahveh (3068) said to adoni (my Lord, 113). My “Lord said to my Lord” of course makes little sense but that is the usual translation given. In Genesis 32:30 when Jacob wrestles with Yeshua it says: “So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.” Jacob makes clear who it was he saw. Jacob said he saw “God”, 430. Elohim is used here, same word used at the creation of this earth. Elohim is a duality, a plural word, not a singular one. It was Yeshua as the light and Papa together that made this heaven and earth and are identified as Elohim in Genesis. Here is another instance in Judges 6:22 “When Gideon realized that it was the angel of the LORD, he exclaimed, “Alas, Sovereign LORD! I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face!” Angel is malack, 4397, but then Gideon identifies him as Adonai (136), Yahveh (369). Same goes for Daniel and others seeing the “man” or ‘angel’ like in Daniel 7:13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.” Daniel 10:5-6, “I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.” Who was with Daniel and the other two if not Yeshua Himself? Who was the Rock that followed Israel in the wilderness?

    Yeshua has been interacting with mankind since the start of this earthly creation. He has been there all along. Yeshua has always been the intermediary between us and the Eternal. Just because we think in finite terms does not mean Yeshua is limited to our space and time. He and Papa are not subject to the time and space in which we had to be encapsulated.
    When Yeshua returns IF we hold on to the faith in Him as yeshua (salvation) AND keep Papa’s commandments THEN when He returns with His army of angels and first gets rid of the tares, His angels will gather us from the 4 corners of the earth to go up to Jerusalem. This is to be the greater exodus of ALL Israel (both natural and wild grafted olive branches) that we have been promised, Isa 11:11-12, 43:5, 56:8; Mark 13:27; Mat 24:31, Psalm 107:2-3,147:2; Ez 11:17, 20:34, 34:13, 36:24, 37:21, 39:27-28; Zephaniah 3:20; Jer 31:10; 32:27; Deu 30:4; Nehemiah 1:9. Then ALL Israel will be saved, Rom 11. Yeshua has been interacting with us these past 6000 years in different ways but when we finally see Him we shall be like Him (including DNA restoration of our bodies to be like Him) for we shall see Him as He is.

  54. Yes there were two there with Moses, one was Yeshua who told Moses his “name” in Paleo Hebrew: YHVH, behold the hand behold the nail…

  55. Jacob obviously not all instances of the “angel of Yahveh” are going to be Yeshua. Case in point is precisely the three ‘angels’ that appeared to Abraham. One of them was Yeshua which Abraham treated with greater deference and addressed him accordingly. The other two were bonafide angels. Frankly I don’t understand your reluctance to accept that Yeshua, not being confined to time and space as we have been since the fall of Adam, can “pop” in and out of our time and space continuum.

    • Shoshana,

      You said: “I don’t understand your reluctance to accept that Yeshua, not being confined to time and space as we have been since the fall of Adam, can “pop” in and out of our time and space continuum.”

      I have never said that Christ cannot have appeared.

      It will serve you well to address my specific points- which means you have to actually read what I have written- rather than make generalisations.

  56. Correct Marianne, there were two speaking to Moshe, Yeshua and Abba.
    There are some instances of actual angels, others clearly it is Yeshua. When they translate the Lord said to my Lord, Psalm 110:1, cited on Matthew 22:44, in Hebrew says Yahveh said to my Adoni (Lord) yet reading it in most translations is not that clear. We cant just go by translations alone but have to take the overall sum of scriptures within their Hebrew context. Yeshua has been our intermediary from day one. He didn’t just pop up about 2000 years ago and became our intermediary at that time.

  57. Good point Marianne, no holy angel of Yahveh would allow to be called by Yah’s name, except maybe satan who like Absalom did with King David wanted to take his place…

  58. Jacob Yeshua came in the name of Yahveh, that is the character of, or what Yah’s name signified, His word and who He is. Yeshua is the personification of Yah’s name reflecting Him to us on earth. He has done so from the start and has never changed. Simply because he was born as Second Adam to minister at a particular time in our time and space does not mean He has not been here all along. He is and has always been our only intermediary and He clearly identified himself at Moses when He declared His name in Paleo Hebrew as “behold the hand, behold the nail”. There should be no question of His identity at that point. Nevertheless the rabbinate has chosen to ignore it. Behold the hand, behold the nail does not identify a mere angel but Yeshua Himself who for once and for all has taken our shame and curses on an olive tree when He did come ministering as Second Adam.

    • Shoshana,

      We seem to be going round in circles. First you tell me that nobody knows the name of the Father and the Son, which I proved you wrong in my response. Now you tell me that the Son’s name is the same as the Father! When will you understand that Jesus’ name is not YHVH? YHVH is the Father’s name.
      The angel in Exodus, whether Jesus or no, is speaking FOR the Father. Go through the examples I provided Marianne, read Genesis 16:10,13.

      When you send a letter by courier, do you go with the courier or do you let him take the message and deliver it for you?

      • jacob

        in this case, both showed up

        in exodus 3:15

        the hebrew reads אֶֽהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶֽהְיֶה and moses is told by elohim to tell Israel that אֶֽהְיֶה has sent him.

        here, it is aleph, heh, yud , heh ,

        not yud , heh , vav, heh (יְהוָה)

        the Lord is called YHVH,

        but elohim said his name was AHYH

        so there are two of them…..

        • You are totally confused if you are now claiming that YHWH is the name of the Son.

          ‘AYAH/ehyeh or ‘I am I AM/ I am who I am’ and YHWH or ‘He who is’, (assuming that YHWH is based on the same verb ‘to be’), the angel is speaking for the same person, the Father, God Almighty, the one true God.

          Saying ‘I am’ in the first person is the same meaning as ‘He who is’ in the third person. It is simply a rendition with the same meaning.The angel, speaking for the Father, referred to himself as ‘I am’, and stated that the name by which He (God the Father) is to be called by all people for all generations is YHWH, meaning ‘HE WHO IS’.

          What does this have to do with my previous response to you on November 25, 2016 at 6:51 am, which you still have not answered?

          • Jacob as I mentioned before, angels are sometimes angels as such other times it refers to Yeshua as intermediary which is the case with Moses here as it was with Abraham and with Yacob, who as you recall called the ‘angel’ Elohim, translated “God”.

            Just like it was the case with Abraham, Yacob saw angels and he also interacted with Yeshua. Gen 32:1-2, 24-30. Specifically in v 24 it says man translated from “ish”, 582, same word applied to Adam. Adam was an ish and Eve an isha. This is a man, not an angel that Yacob wrestled with. This man refused giving Yacob his name but then on v 30 Yacob calls Him Elohim, 430, same word used at the beginning of this earthly creation to refer to Yah, Father and Yahoshua son, who functioned as the verb or action oriented living word of Yah. He has always functioned as Yah’s right arm or representative pretty much like Yosef was Pharaoh’s representative in Egypt. Yosef had all power and nobody went to Pharaoh but to Yosef who had been given all authority and carried the signet ring. Yosef was the only one the Israelites and all Egypt knew during that time. Likewise Yeshua, Yahoshua, is the only one given such power on earth. While He now officiates as our High Priest, soon He will officiate as King of kings on this earth. Soon, very soon as things will unfold quickly. We need to be about Papa’s business and trying to really reflect Yeshua, our ish, and REALLY act as He did (not as the false Greek ANOMIA Jesus presented to the world). Shalom

  59. Hi

    Refer web: http://www.ieue-foundation.co.za
    And Jane E Lythgoe (Google her name to get to website) regarding research Holy Sounded Names.
    Ancient Hebrew, not Classical hebrew with vowel points.this is a TRANSLATED.Refer Exodus 3:15,16,18/14:1,2 etc, our ELOHIM gives His actual NAME in Script of Scriptures. The “I will be that I will be”3:13,14″= “meaning of His Name.

    • Irene

      it is puzzling that the hebrew reads אֶֽהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶֽהְיֶה and moses is told to tell Israel that אֶֽהְיֶה has sent him.

      here, it is aleph, heh, yud , heh ,

      not yud , heh , vav, heh (יְהוָה)

      the Lord is called YHVH,

      but elohim said his name was AHYH

  60. John 14:7
    “If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

    Yeshua usually addressed the Father as that, “Father”: Matthew 5:16,45,48; 6:1,4,6,8-9,14-15,18,26,32; 7:11,21; 8:21; 10:20,29,32-33; 11:25-27; 12:50; 13:43; 15:13; 16:17,27; 18:10,14,19,35; 20:23; 23:9; 24:36; 25:34; 26:39,42,53; 28:19. Technically nobody alive knows the Father but the son Himself. Names in Hebrew all had meanings. The name of a person in Hebrew mentality encompasses who that person is or is expected to be thus parents named their children according to the way they thought they would be. Yeshua, whose name literally means salvation, is not just our literal salvation but the manifestation of the Father to us. As such Yeshua embodies the Father’s character thus Yeshua says if you see me you have seen the Father, John 14:9: “Yeshua said to him, “All this time I am with you and you have not known me Phillip? Whoever has seen me has seen The Father, and how do you say, ‘Show us The Father’?”. Yeshua and the Father are one, John 10:30, meaning of one accord, one name or unity, one harmonious character, ehad. Thus when one sees Yeshua, who is in effect the Father’s right hand, we have for all intends and purposes seen the Father. It is Yeshua that has appeared to man numerous times as ‘malack’ or ‘angel’. That does not mean all angelic appearances have been Yeshua but that some key appearances have been Yeshua there is no doubt. This can be seen if one reads such instances within its Hebrew context and keeps in mind who is involved in the exchange. When Yeshua appears as the messenger of Yahveh he is dealing with people in key Hebrew positions such was the case with Abraham, Jacob and Moses.

    When Yeshua appears to Abraham, Abraham calls him first Adonai and then on Ex 18:13 it clearly says Yahveh, 3068. That is who Abraham was interacting with Yahveh, not just any messenger, but Yeshua who carries the Father’s name as revealed to Moshe. This not to say is His actual name but the name given to man when Yeshua himself reveals to Moses, (and who He is) by declaring His name that reflects (present tense) His actions which very much fits the Hebrew manner of naming people. When Daniel sees Yeshua, Dan 10:5-6, he describes him not as an angel but as a man with the same description we see of Yeshua in Revelation 1:13-15. Yet Yeshua comes to Daniel as a messenger and then tells him in Dan 10:11-12 that the archangel Michael came to help Him defeat satan in Persia. So here we have Yeshua appearing with the same appearance at 2 different times to 2 different servants of the Father, yet in Dan 10 Yeshua makes clear an archangel helped Him.

    In Ex 3:15, when Moses asks in whose name, Moses is told in הֹוָהיְ= yod, he, vav, he, which in Paleo Hebrew is

    Yeshua is the Father’s right hand. In Ex 15:12 “you put out your right hand”. Is this a mere angel’s right hand? Even an archangel’s? In Ex 23: 20 21 Father tells Moses He is sending a malack or messenger in front of Moses and Yah’s name is in Him. Now of all the messengers which is the ONLY one that carries Yah’s name? Which is the only one that identified himself to Moses earlier basically by his “job description” as “behold the hand, behold the nail”?

    Again, I go back to our natural carnal human tendency of seeing history linearly rather than from Yah’s perspective in His heavenly abode. We get the worm’s view point; Yah has the eagle’s eye perspective. Neither the Father nor the Son are affected by time and space as we are now on earth thus what Yeshua did 2000 years ago is as if he had done it 6000 years ago. His actions are not constrained by time nor are his interactions with the Father’s chosen people through time. Shalom

  61. Hi. Thankyou. I do believe we are to know and use our Heavenly Father’s Name and our Saviours NAME. As Acts 2:38 says:”be baptized in the NAME of…….”(gives our Saviour’s Name), also we are to go make desciples baptizing them. If we do not know the Holy sounded Names, who is one baptizing them in?
    Rightly said in comment: John 5:43:(our Saviour speaking): “I have COME IN MY FATHER’S NAME..”

    The Son has the Name of the Heavenly Father. Many versus “ELOHIM saves”,”the Messiah Saves”
    Rev 3:12:”….and I shal WRITE on him THE NAME of My ELOHIM …..”(our Saviour says these words). The Son, our Saviour ALSO has His Father’s NAME….

    We look then “What is our Heavenly Father’s Name?” In Exodus HE gave it to Moses. The meaning: “I will be what I will be”/”I am what I am”
    We are to look yo the FIRST language: Ancient Hebrew (not today classical” then see the translations into Classical Hebrew, Aramaic,english etc. all translated from Ancient Hebrew. The “four letter Name” our Heavenly Father gave Moses exactly from the Ancient Hebrew to english is: our vowel sounds. In the SAME field of the tetragramme four letters of our Heavenly Father’s Name.
    IEUE (sounded = ee…eh….Oo..eh)
    Our Saviour SAME Name WITH the Meaning of Saved in the script of the Ancient Hebrew.
    IEUESHUO (ee..eh..Oo..eh..sh..oo..oh) means ELOHIM saves (as per scriptures)
    Ancient Hebrew had only 22 letters in alphabet. English 26!!! The “y” sound was added many years later to English.The “w” sound was added, as combination of vowels. “Y” was the “ie” together. But our Heavenly Father gave the FOUR worded Name to Moses , NOT 3. If one looks at any Bible, the NAME is given, but translated (further time period) and Should never have been translated (although gives the meaning) as how else are we to be baptized, and into what NAME? Refer: http://www.ieue-foundation.co.za and Jane E. Lythgoe/Jeff Benner. She did the extensive language conversion. Jeff gives time periods Ancient Hebrew, but with options of sound. Ancient Hebrew only ONE option of sound as could Not be changed.
    Thankyou. Regards. Irene

    • irene

      it seems like god was giving his initials as a name. i could say my full name, and then say tell the hebrews MET sent you.

      I shall be that I shall be would be vs I am that I am would yield different initials.

      some american indian tribes claim to have descended from hebrew tribes and carry the early hebrew with them

      have you seen this post?

      https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/yahweh-and-the-american-indians/

      and this video:

      • Nice video Irene. I have done some research about the Cherokees, even traveled there for that reason (years ago had been in the area before as a tourist but this was different). It appears many of their feasts days coincides with Yahveh’s 7 yearly feasts days that He established the 4th day of this earthly creation (His moedim is the reason given in Hebrew He set the sun and moon). Rome of naturally changed all that including Yah’s holy Sabbath that He set apart the 7th day of this creation and which He REMINDED His chosen ones to keep.

        Of course Israel profaned them to start with and Rome did worse even by changing them altogether for their stinking pagan feasts such as xmas that was wisely forbidden by law in the US for many years (this time of year I keep telling myself Yeshua will return soon and fix all that!). The problem is the Gentile churches that sprung after the Roman church have carried the same pagan traditions that Rome imposed as they never really left Rome going back to their Hebrew roots and to this day are in confusion following what is essentially Roman/Babylonian dogma to include even the pagan moniker of ‘Christian’, which Rome called the Nazarite Jewish followers of The Way. After nearly 2000 of lies is hard to get out of all the mire. Soon there will be some serious turning around of life styles as after the tares are yanked (Mat 13) then true believers and all Israel and Yudah will repent of the way we have been living on earth. I expect there will be lots of “oops” around the world among many followers and of course all Israel, regardless if they identify themselves as Jews or not for there are more lost sheep of Israel today than there was when Yeshua came to minister as Second Adam.

  62. Hi

    You must be mistaken in reply to me. I did not send video or reference to Cherokee????

    I gave full evidence on how to “sound” the Holy Names from recorded evidence in Ancient Hebrew.
    The “I am that I am” if the meaning of our Heavenly Father’s Name.

    I recommend go google Jane E Lythgoe web.

    Regards
    Irene

  63. Hi

    If you say in the first paragraph the first letter of our ELOHIM’s Name is an “aleph” in classical hebrew sound, WHY do you reflect a “Y” as the first letter sound? When the “y” on the charts for ancient Hebrew the aleph is “eh” and Righty the “y” is a Yud, as you reflect it??
    I do believe it is “I” (ee) sound. Confirmed “the tetragramme .

    Thankyou. Irene

  64. Irene I don’t believe there is a man alive that really knows the pronunciation of Papa’s name, I know a Hebrew scholar that lived many years in Israel that says is ‘Yahveh’ with the ending part pronounced ‘ay’ as in day. We know from scripture and many male names that ‘Yah’ is the first part. Yet still to this day there are many saying His name is YEHovah, and on and on goes the list. Names in Hebrew all had a meaning, In the case of Yeshua who is now our High Priest, his name literally means ‘salvation’, which is yeshua. In this case it technically would be Yahoshua, salvation from Yah, Yeshua for short. He is our ONLY intermediary thus when Moses asked for the name of the one giving Israel the ketuba (10 commandments) which betrothed Israel as the bride to Yeshua, as the groom, He of course gives His name as ‘behold the hand behold the nail’ which naturally points to His actions thus identifying Him. This only is seen in Paleo Hebrew, not in modern Hebrew, much less in other languages. Again, we must consider that neither Father nor Yeshua are affected by time and space so any actions taken by either one of them 2000, 6000 years ago in our time is as if they just happened or will happen tomorrow, thus “I am that I am” points to that constancy of being always without interruption or constraints.

  65. Hi
    Thankyou for your response . I do agree with “I Am’, But why in the first written scripts is there given an Actual Name, which our Heavenly Father gave Moses? Have you asked this question?

    Secondly the Scriptures are clear. The Messiah say “I came in my Father’s Name? And then call Him Yeshua.? Why does it reflect an Actual Name for the Messiah? And not just “I Am”?

    Recommend Google Jane E Lythgoe web. Extensive research ancient Hebrew.

    A lot of Jewish people today don’t believe the Nessiah died for our sins? Hope your contact for you is correct? Not even the head of Biblical education society would help me. Many don’t know.

    I do believe the truth will always be revealed.

    Thankyou. Irene

  66. Hi

    Thankyou for your response.

    Are you able to give me the script (in the hebrew) Name for the Messiah, in The Dead Sea Scrolls, of evidence for the 6 letters you claim to be His Name “Yeshua”?

    I have gone on the Ancient Hebrew text. Thus the 7 letters, referring to “I came in My Fathers Name” also rev “I will imprint the Father’s Name on your forehead”…. The question is, does the Son also have The Father’s Name?
    I received a letter from the head of the Dead Sea scrolls society that To date, not one evidence of script is reflected for the Messiah’s Name.
    Scripture also says…”I gave My Son a Name above any other Name”…. At that time was many Joshua’s (translated) from Yeshua, then to Jesus. Also scriptures say “Joshua son of Nun”… Meaning the Messiah had the same name as another.
    We can only Hope to find evidence for the Messiah’s Name, thus I believe in the first language, ancient, before classical Hebrew script, which translated is “Yeshua’.
    Thankyou. Irene

  67. Hi

    Thankyou response.

    Thus far of any research into languages, translations into languages from ancient Hebrew is Jane E Lythgoe web… http://Www.yehweh.org...

    Please can you give me the script of evidence in the Dead Sea scrolls of our Heavenly Father’s Name. As far as evidence is He gave Moses His Name: starting with “I” translated to “Y” (which is “IE” together), THEN the meaning starting with the aleph (h)(eh), as you reflect, meaning I am that I am?
    The tetragramme ALL reflect as in the picturegraph the 5th letter/picture down the chart, not the first , the aleph?(transliteration of this 5th letter down, is a combination of the aleph and the “I”(ee) sound.thus Sounds (ee…eh), put together makes up our vowel sounds in English , as reflected in the conversion of the languages.

    I am of the opinion that when searching for the correct “sound” of the Holy Names, the only way is, to go the the first language. Have evidence (eg the tetragramme) of evidence of script (if in a converted language) work backwards to the original.
    The main thing I realized, in the english language sounds, it is our Vowel sounds that the recorded “Holy Names” for sound are reflected…. In ancient Hebrew (logics) in the alphabet a constanent of “field” for a sound, can ONLY be one distinct sound and when converted to english …..ends up to be our vowel sounds. Every language is connected by the vowel sounds… Or we wouldn’t have a language!!!
    The classical however, because of there “silence” not the Name or sound the Name, reflected the aleph as well and the “y” to ayin, meaning “no sound”, so that No one would by error Sound the actual Holy Name (thus” anything with vowels as they reflect at top and bottom of their script, is “ADONAY”.
    Jeff Benner, has given the “options” of choice for a sound in the same field for the purpose of translation into other languages.(eg, one can’t have 3 options of different sounds for ONE letter he reflects on his chart), BUT he does reflect the time periods of ancient in 3 time periods which his work of meanings (of NB to him), is great. The only fault reflected on his chart is the LAST field. The “gh”…. Notice the “gh” (silent) is higher up in the chart. The last one meaning evil… Jane also confirms this lady field incorrect!!!(u cannot have two sounds identical in an alphabet!!)
    Also ancient hebrew 22 letters, not 23.
    We can only hope to be given recorded script for our Messiah’s Name in the dead sea scrolls for evidence. But until then, I can ONLY work the Name of Script and language translations BACK to the fist language.

    Jane’s research, for me, was the confirmation correct in language conversion, of which was shown to me AFTER, I completed my research and the “sounds” of conclusion the same.

    Importance for me is the “sound” of the Holy Names, as our job/work as per Acts 2:38- onwards says…”go make disciples, baptizing them IN THE NAME of….for the remission of sins” (gives our Saviour’s Name.)
    Because of this should you or anyone obtain proof of a script for the Messiah’s Name and I am incorrect, I will let all those I have baptized in water) the truth. Only our Eloheim and Saviour baptize in the Spirit. But we are instructed to bring into the fold.
    Thankyou. Irene

    • irene

      it would be wonderful to hear the Lord pronounce his name

      as for the theory that one cannot have two sounds identical in the same alphabet, there are two “no sounds” in hebrew, aleph and ayain.

  68. Hi

    Note. Sounds from Ancient Hebrew to english we are to USE the first lower Case sounds!!!
    Not the uppercase/capitals.

    Ie. The “a” as in apple, not sounded “A” for Avery ….. b, c, d, e etc not B, C, D,E sounds.

    Thanks Irene

  69. Hi

    This in my point… Only in the Classical Hebrew, which is a translated language… Ancient Hebrew one sound per letter.

    Classical also has “silent” called ayin.

    Yes we wish to hear our Heavenly Father and Messiah tell us directly and can only hope.

    Thankyou
    Regards
    Irene

  70. Irene yeshua in Hebrew literally means salvation. The angel told Mariam to name him that. In Hebrew people were named in accordance to what they expected they would be like. In Hebrew His whole name would be Yahoshua which means salvation from Yah thus in effect the Father’s name is in him. Shalom

  71. Irene yes, what in English is translated as “Joshua” was Yoshua before the j was introduced but if you read it in Hebrew it says Yahoshua, technically Y’hoshua not just Joshua. As explained before, yeshua, which means salvation, is the short form. Many did call their boys that hoping their son would be it. The component “Yah” is found in many male Hebrew names, usually at the end.

  72. Hi

    Yes it does in the Translated classical Hebrew. In ancient Hebrew the “shuo” at end of Name means saved. Sounded (sh..Oo..oh).
    The choice “prior to the “shuo” for the Messiah is the “ie” sound (ee..eh)(which is how the sound of a “y” came about, or “IEUE” sounded (ee..eh..Oo..eh) The Full Name of Eloheim before the “shuo” for the Messiah’s Name “7 letters”. The previous has 6, as in Joshua son of nun.

    When doing the translations from ancient to classical the leader who took over from Moses, is called YAHOSHUA, Zachariah 6, the high priest was called Yeshua… The root word that these names CAME from is the Messiah’s actual Name (also Zach 6)… Which shows us, in language we are to go to the beginning.
    Ancient Hebrew.

    Thankyou
    Irene

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