Zionism: Man’s idea or God’s plan?

Zionism : Man’s Idea?

Zionism is typically thought of as man’s idea, a political movement, a religious ideology, a human effort based on man’s intellect, power, and influence.

typical sites about political Zionism:

http://www.zionismontheweb.org/zionism_definitions.htm

http://www.mideastweb.org/zionism.htm

Zionism : It is God’s idea !

The restoration of the Jews to Israel was promised by God thousands of years ago, before the Jews were even scattered to begin with. Throughout history, God has used both Israel’s leaders and the leaders of their enemies to accomplish his divine will. They do not get the credit for these massive events !

Those that may have thought the Zionist movement was their idea, were only being used by God to accomplish a higher purpose. In all the history of the Jewish nation, there has never been a phenomenon of Israel being born as a nation in one day. There is a divine intervention involved.

Only God could have allowed the multiple connections, the political support, the finances, the massive movement of individuals and multitudes, and the leadership to all coincide harmoniously, so that a nation could be born overnight. The survival of the Jews since 1948, against incredible odds and attacks, created by billions of hostile neighbors is truly miraculous, and a testimony to the faithfulness and protection of God over his people Israel.

God predicted several events involving the Jews.

1. they would sin

Deu 4:26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land [Israel] whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong [your] days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.[because of disobedience]

2. they would be scattered to the 4 corners of the earth

And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find [him], if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. Deuteronomy 4:27-29

3. in the last days, they would return….. Gentiles would help them return.

When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, [even] in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them. Deuteronomy 4:30-31

Jeremiah 23:3-6
“I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the Lord.

** only a remnant is able to return. Many Jews have been killed over the centuries, and only a small number of what could have been remain. The Jews were scattered, and now they will return.

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The Lord Our Righteousness.

** in order for Judah to be saved, it has to be there. The Jews have to be living in the land. The Branch (Messiah) cannot come to save the Jews in Israel, if they are not there. This is just logic.

For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause [you] to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities [are become] fenced, [and] are inhabited. Ezekiel 36:24,33-35

Isa 60:1¶ Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
Isa 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Isa 60:10¶ And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.
Isa 60:11Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that [men] may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and [that] their kings [may be] brought.

“The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, “Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. “For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it” (Jeremiah 30:1-3).

If this passage referred to the Babylonian captivity, God would not have included Israel along with Judah. The ten northern tribes (Jeremiah’s “Israel”) were not taken to Babylon, but only Judah. Israel was destroyed by the Assyrian invasion in 722 B.C.

Furthermore, those tribes did not return after the Babylonian captivity as Judah did. Israel never returned at all. In this passage, however, God refers to a future generation when both factions would return. The Lord makes that clear in verses 10 and 11:

“Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.”

4. once there, the time of Jacob’s trouble would occur, and the tribulation would start

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of “Jacob’s Trouble”; but he ( Israel ) shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). The chapter in which this verse is found is decidedly prophetic of the end-times.

Down through the centuries, theologians have viewed the passage as speaking of the seven-year Tribulation Period, or the 70th week of Daniel, through which Israel must face a world gone mad with hatred.

Jeremiah said that there had never been a time like it, nor ever will be again.

Jesus made the same prediction in his Olivet Discourse hundreds of years later, adding that for Israel’s sake, the time of trouble would be interrupted (shortened) by his literal return to save his people from their encircling enemies..

*** The holocaust was terrible, and trouble for the Jewish people in Europe and the mid-east. Together, the Nazi’s and Pan-Arabic axis powers intended to exterminate Jewry from the Eurasian region. But it was not the time of trouble that Jeremiah, and Jesus alluded to, since the Jews were not yet gathered back in their own land.

That time of trouble is depicted by Jesus own words as recorded in Matthew 24 :21-22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

*** the elect are those elected to return to the land. The elect are not Christians, who have either been raptured ( if a pre-tribulation rapture is true), or who have not been re-gathered there, and still live everywhere outside of Israel. It would not make sense for faithful Christians, who live outside of Israel, to be considered not part of the elect.

For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished” (vv. 10, 11).

God further designates the timing of the prophecy to that day when He will make a “full end of all nations.” This can only refer to the final judgment. This is the awesome “end of the world” that Jesus and the disciples discussed in Matthew 24. That day will be marked with the Tribulation Period, the Battle of Armageddon and the spectacular return of Jesus Christ to this world, whereupon he will establish his throne in Jerusalem.

Jeremiah’s use of the term “Jacob” specifically ties this prophecy to verse 7, which contains the reference to “Jacob’s trouble.” Furthermore, “Jacob” refers to the genetic connection of the entire clan, Israel and Judah. In 1948, the nation was reestablished without the distinction between the two houses. Today, the nation is simply called “Israel,” a homeland for all Jews.

For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and [for] my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. Joel 3:1-3

** even in the last days, God still considers Israel his heritage and his people. How faithful God is to his covenant. !!

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:32-34

Israel the fig tree has put forth its leaves and been reborn as a nation therefore the coming of Christ draws near. Luke 21:32 also states that a generation would not pass. A generation is between 70-100 years, Israel was established again on May 15, 1948. Jews are still immigrating back to Israel from nations far and wide, just like the Bible said they would.

ISAIAH CHAPTER 10:20-23

Isaiah predicts that when the Jewish exiles return, “the destruction” and “the final end” will occur:

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet A REMNANT OF THEM SHALL RETURN: THE CONSUMPTION (destruction) DECREED shall overflow with righteousness. FOR the Lord GOD of hosts SHALL MAKE A CONSUMPTION (destruction), EVEN DETERMINED, in the midst of all the land.

*** The “destruction decreed” is the Great Tribulation. Isaiah predicts that this “destruction decreed” will “overflow in righteousness,” as God will judge in favor of his people, Israel.

5. the Messiah would come and save Israel from its enemies after the remnant returns.

Jer 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

Jer 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.

*** the remnant returns, and leaders are set up over them. But then, the final shepherd comes to rule and save his people in the next verse:

Jer 23:5 ¶Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

** note that it is Judah (the Jews) that will be saved. It does not say the Christians. Judah cannot be saved unless it exists, which means that the nation of Israel-Judah has to be reborn before Messiah comes.

6. Israel would be restored and never be moved from the land again, since its enemies will be destroyed. Israel is given a new covenant and its iniquity is forgiven.

Ezekiel 36 : 8-10 (restoration)

“`But you, O mountains of Israel, will produce branches and fruit for my people Israel, for they will soon come home.
I am concerned for you and will look on you with favor; you will be plowed and sown,
and I will multiply the number of people upon you, even the whole house of Israel. The towns will be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt.

Jeremiah 46: 28 (destruction of enemies)


Do not fear, O Jacob my servant, for I am with you,” declares the LORD. “Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you but only with justice; I will not let you go entirely unpunished.”

Jeremiah (a new covenant with the house of Judah and the house of Israel accompanied by forgiveness forever)

Jer 31:31 ¶Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Never to be moved out of the land again after restoration:

Amos 9:14-15 thunders forth these remarkable words: “‘Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, and they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, and make gardens and eat their fruit. I will also plant them on their land, and they will not again be rooted out from their land which I have given them,’ says the Lord your God.”

The Time of Jacob’s trouble : Replacement theology is wrong. This trouble is for natural Israel, as it waits for and cries out for the promised Messiah.

For those replacement theologists who say the “Church is Israel” in the last days, and that natural Israel does not figure into things, they need to rethink what they are choosing for themselves. Several points here:

1. the scripture never says it is the church. Most prophesies were from the old testament, when the church did not exist yet

2. the prophesies clearly state that Israel would be scattered around the world, and then re-gathered into the land of Israel. Christians have never been scattered like that, and will not be re-gathered into the land of Israel.

3. The book of Daniel describes the tribulation of the Jews in the end times.

4. the book of Revelation describes the church as being in heaven, while Jews from each Jewish tribe remain in Israel marked for preservation.

5. there are world-wide efforts now to extinguish Israel once again from the land. There can be no movement like this against Christians because they do not all live in one land.

6. for those who think the tribulation is against only Christians in Israel, this makes no sense. The land of Israel is multi-faith in nature. It has more Muslims than Christians. Christians are to be gone by the time of the tribulation, unless they are not faithful and they are really unsaved people.

7. for those that think “everything is about Jesus and the Christians in the bible” they are wrong. The old testament may have had some prophesies about the messiah, but for the most part, the entire text was addressed to the nation of natural Jewish Israel. God has an everlasting covenant with the Jews, and he plans to keep his promises to them.

8. The Promised Land was never given to the church; she never occupied it as a “nation.” The church was never removed from the Promised land because of her disobedience, or taken captive into foreign lands. The word “Israel” is always descriptive of the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. In the Scripture, we find the Church is not Israel the nation, but a separate entity under an entirely new and different covenant.

9.. The Church is made up of both believers in Jesus, from both Jews and Gentiles, not so for Israel. Israel we are told is in unbelief. The word Israel is used 73 times in the New Testament, not once is it used for the Church. And God treats Israel differently than the church.

Anti-Zionism – Jewish self-betrayal…..Click here for more

Anti-Zionism – Roman and Christian (Western) roots…… Click here for more

Anti-Zionism : ancient Arab roots…. Click here for more

Israel’s Divine Right to the land…… Click here for more

References:

http://focusonjerusalem.com/embarkinguponthetimeofjacobstrouble.html

http://testimonyofprophecy.com/signs001.html

http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/jeremiah_23_3.htm


127 Responses to “Zionism: Man’s idea or God’s plan?”

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  2. Hi Marianne,

    This is truly a very informative and extremely important subject. You are right. So many people switch the words for the Church when they mean Israel, and all other equally incorrect interpretations. One thing is for sure. HE is coming soon, and HE will restore HIS land of Israel – all of it – to HIS people. Don’t take this from a mere man. It is written by HIM. JR

  3. hi JR

    very true…..very true…..

    blessings
    marianne

  4. Peace be with you fellow believers, the whole zionist/freemason movement is lead by the wicked satanist who mock the word of God, Creator of All and they make you break laws by tempting you with greed. How can you just let the wolf in sheep clothing get pass this and reform you as a people. I thought you were waiting for your Messiah as I, not some atheist dude with thirst for money and power, that have to break the very rules of the Abraham lineage of prophet hood, you have verily turned away to hail your false prophet. Freemasons who worship nothing but them self and materialism =666) is pulling some strings and shouting propaganda in ever media there is and they strike your faith terror. Adolf hitler was in the thule society which in hand was an branch from freemasonry. I hope you all think this over, what you think Moses (pbuh) would say if he saw you choosing atheist leaders that condemn you to follow the righteous path. think it over and until then, salam.

  5. Hi researcher,

    The Messiah will be one who honors God in heaven, not an atheist. Christians and Muslims believe in the return of Jesus. Jews believe someone is coming but do not know the identity.

    This world will always have both good and evil until the time of the Messiah. That is why He is coming – to establish only the good, an destroy the evil.

    blessings
    marianne

    • It’s good to know that Jesus’s divine mission is actually endorsed by 2 world religions, almost 2.5 Billion people honor him in some way. Either as Lord as we do, or atleast as a divinely inspired prophet as Muslims do. I hope Muslims will see Jesus more than just a prophet as Lord.

      Even Muslims and Christians believe Jesus Christ will return to end evil. (however Muslims have to accept him as Lord, or else its a nasty surprise).

      However…having said that…1 Billion Hindus who love their 33 million gods and goddesses…..think that Jesus was a madman or a “reformer” or a “criminal put to death by romans” in their own words….

      It hurts badly to see Jesus insulted and put down by Hindus.

  6. And I can’t wait, 🙂

    • Well … before I wear a hat stamped with the word ‘infidel’ chicken will have teeth!
      Doesn’t she know the scriptures?
      2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an ‘infidel’?
      1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an ‘infidel’.

  7. To add to my confusion.

  8. So if I were to conclude what would I say?
    There are 2 Zions
    1= Sion
    2= Zion
    One of God and
    … the other of British/Vatican/USA/Club of Rome/Germany/EU/ Rosicrucians/Luciferians and probably others of the same goal.

    I have learned ONE thing in my life and it is this …
    You can ALWAYS tell the goal by the means employed!
    The means will always reveal the intent and what goal is set afore.
    The means is the plan of achieving the goal.
    That is wisdom and as such never fails.

    • Abigail

      That woman in the video is a secular, narrow minded liberal who hates Israel. She knows nothing of the bible, God, or bible prophecy.

      It was prophesied that Israel would return to the land in the last days, which is now, and its existence is evidence of God’s word coming true.

      So, do we believe God, or the godless?

      Of course, its enemies think Israel, and its Jews, have no rights to exist, there or anywhere.

      But this is also prophecy coming true, so this woman, in her negative mind, just confirms what the bible has said.

      All nations will turn against Israel, because Satan is loose, and deceiving those who wish to be deceived.

      This is to coax Israel to rely on God _ 100% – for their salvation. When this occurs, Jesus will show up and save them.

      This woman has no truth in her. IF you were to try to discuss Jesus with her, she would be closed to that also.

      • The woman in the videos is an Israelite, she is jewish., she is educated, she has worked for U.N. She lives in Israel. She is the most listened to in Israel. She knows the history of her people.
        Yes she does NOT like Christians.
        But then any Jewish historian would side with the facts.
        The Vatican, the R.C.C. has not been kind and honest with the Jews.
        So I don’t blame her for not trusting the ‘Christians’.

        • it is hard to believe she is Israeli or Jewish,,,,but if she is, she is a disgrace.

          If she is American, she probably voted for Obama, which is an act of stupidity.

          Apparently, she spends a a lot of time demonizing Jews.

          I have heard her before. She is a stupid woman, not an intelligent thinker or speaker.

          It does not matter what nationality she is, because she is an ignorant, narrow minded person.

          The “facts” are what she wishes to believe.

          She is a godless woman, full of self delusions.

          • Marianne,
            She is jewish and lives in Israel. That is a fact.
            I don’t personally like her, but it is a personal ‘thing’.
            Nevertheless there is merit to what she says.
            She loves her people, but yes she hates Christians.
            She has a PHD level in philosophy.
            That is a fact.
            She also has done a lot of good for orphans.
            I wouldn’t say she is godless, because that would not be true.
            Marianne, Doreen has an excellent speech and choice vocabulary … but she would rather be stung by a thousand scorpions than to receive the love of a Christian.

            • She does not speak as an educated person. She must have gotten an online degree, from a less than luminous college.

              Philosophy is a lame subject…it is all gibberish and babel….and does not require an analytic ability….she has poor logic.

              She can hardly form her words, and she is slow in finding each word she is trying to say. She does not have a high IQ.

              Just listen to her.

              She is mentally slow, and is regurgitating garbage she has picked up from the internet.

              If she is living in Israel, she should do everyone a favor and leave.

              • Philosophy is a lame subject??
                It is all gibberish and babel??

                Truly Marianne you surprise me !!!
                The greatest minds of history were philosophers!
                The list is actually TOO long to quote.
                Don’t you know the superiority of the Jewish mind?
                Shame on you for speaking without a hat!

              • Doreen has every right to the soles of her feet and where her feet touches belongs to her!
                She is Israel! How can she move out?
                Marianne this time you have disappointed me greatly.
                I had thought you were much more refined and disciplined and careful and loving!
                Why did you jump to conclusions without investigating the possibility that I was telling you the Truth?
                You must have an agenda.
                I will not be part of such!

                • you like doreen. I don’t.

                  She does NOT represent Israel.

                  She even hates Israel, and condemns it, and thinks it is a Nazi conspiracy.

                  I showed the videos to a Jewish friend who survived the holocaust, and she says the woman has mental problems.

                  She is a secular liberal. She is daughter of Hashem only according to you. Notice she does not speak of Hashem, only how evil Israel is.

                  • Whatever a secular liberal means?
                    I never said Doreen represented Israel.
                    She is Israel.
                    Israel flows in her veins. She is Jewish.
                    She has every right to be where she is.
                    What is wrong with everybody here.
                    A reading problem perhaps?

          • Hi all, older post..

            The woman in the video here is not an authority of the Torah Tanakh OR the New Testament.

            Right now, Israelis should all be totally turning to GOD, not griping.

            I agree Marianne, she speaks ZERO about HaShem.
            People want to hate Israel- I believe it is a satanic hatred.

            I never feel ‘good’ around Irael haters.
            As with most Liberals, like this woman, they always hate their own nation and can not be a trusted source.
            Thats m.o.

            • hi jewess

              What many secular people fail to understand is that liberalism is equivalent to “do what thou wilt,” a motto of satanism. There are no rules or commandments to obey. Just do what is ok in your own eyes.

        • please do not call her educated..

          • As far as educated in the Halls of Octavian Universities, what I have said is true Doreen holds a PHD level in Philosophy.
            She lives in Tzfat (Safed) Israel. That is a fact.

            • Where is Octavian university? I never heard of it.

              • LOL – Octavian Universities are all and any University which were established under Rome,
                since Octavia ruled in Rome. 2000 years of Roman Universities.
                Actually referring to Doreen she is a graduate from The University of Montreal Quebec, Canada.

          • I told you the truth about Doreen!
            She is educated in the finest of schools!

  9. It is the anguish of the people of HASHEM to know how much they are truly hated!
    Are you an enemy of my sister?
    If you are, you should know this …
    We have a sister …
    ‘We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?’

    I am not a political person and I am not a military person.
    But let me tell you neither am I a liar!
    Doreen is a fine person and has suffered much like other REAL ISRAEL …
    And I will stand beside what Doreen says, because she is not a liar.
    She is a daughter of Hashem and a princess!!

  10. Abigail, Marianne,

    Have you read KOL HATOR (Voice of the Turtle Dove) written by 18th century Rabbi Eliyahu of Vilna? Vilna Gaon and his students, were actually the first Zionists, and his students were the first to make Aliyah in 18th century, thus Vilna Gaon is the ORIGINAL TRUE Father of Zionists!

    http://www.yedidnefesh.com/kaballah/kol-hator/index.htm

    ps.

    Abigail, didn’t you formerly say that the woman in the video is YOU?

    • LOL Not in that video!
      Doreen is Doreen.
      And abigail is abigail.
      No Gavriel I haven’t read what you have presented.

  11. As the time of redemption approaches, God of Israel tests the gentiles by hardening their hearts (this process will last for 7 years)…as deep in their hearts they complain to God that the Torah should originally be given to them…so, God burdens them with only ONE commandment of Torah – to sit in the booths/tents during the Feast of Tabernacles/Succot – and the gentiles agree! So they sit in the booths, while God sends them strong heat from the sun, so they in anger tear up the roofs (GAG) of the booths and go outside in rebellion! This is the meaning of GoG – the roof – burden of divine providence (roof) which the gentiles cast off from themselves and rebel by waging the war of Gog and Magog…

    Righteous Christians, be aware! And be careful!

    • I think God will send them strong illusions.
      Too much sun is not good for the head.
      People should at least wear their hats when they speak.

  12. I wasn’t sure where to post this so I thought this was a a good spot. I’ve received three e-mails from 3 different people on the oil spill down in the gulf from James P. Wickstrom. Who is he? I should of checked him out before posting his article on https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/toxic-effects-of-crude-oil-spills/ Others are making the same mistake. It’s funny how these people infiltrate the Christian community. It’s a learning experience. I figure if I admit to it, I won’t lose my credibility. Just be aware if you are sent an email with him being the resource. It’s not that his information is inaccurate It’s just where it is coming from. He’s one of those leaders of “Christian Idenity” groups. In other words he’s a White Supremist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wickstrom
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity
    http://jamespwickstrom.blogspot.com/
    http://doctorjamespwickstrom.blogspot.com/

  13. Now I’ve seen everything. I keep using that phrase. This is a shocking interview.

  14. But then I surfed over to the

    http://cohenreport.blogspot.com/2006/12/rabbi-abe-finkelstein-outwits-gentile.html

    RIDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2006

    Rabbi Abe Finkelstein outwits Gentile Pastor James Wickstrom

    12/20/06
    PRIR associates

    Pastor James Wickstrom, a notorious anti-semitic, Christian Pastor and holocaust-denier, and Zionist Rabbi Abe Finkelstein, an affiliate of the Chabad Lubavich and religious advisor to the Plymouth Rock Institute of Research, reached a disposition today in a case involving arbitration, says PRIR research associate, Howard Grobstein.

    The case stems from a dispute about compensation for an interview between Wickstrom and Finkelstein. Pastor Wickstrom asserted that Finkelstein promised to pay for half of the expenses involved in arranging the bellicose interview, the rights to which were to be mutually shared by both parties. However, Rabbi Finkelstein averred that this promise was legally unenforceable for three reasons: (1) The promise was oral rather than written; (2) Alternately, the promise was written but had been orally revoked prior to Wickstrom’s acceptance; or (3) That Finkelstein lacked the requisite intent to enter into a contract, either verbal or written, due to an antecedent repudiation of any intent to make a promise.

    An impartial arbitrator in this case, Jacob Katz, ruled in Finkelstein’s favor. “Prior to entering into the contract with Wickstrom,” Katz told PRIR correspondents, “Abe had taken his Kol Nidre oath, which nullifies any subsequent written contract with Wickstrom.”

    When asked about the arbitrator’s decision, an angry Wickstrom told reporters, “This is absolutely ridiculous! I have the contract right here in my hands, signed by him! Somehow this contract is no good just because that Jew crossed his fingers behind his back!”

    But Rabbi Finkelstein was jubilant. “Oy Vey,” said Finkelstein. “I feel so relieved now that justice has been done in this case. Katz is a very wise…very impartial arbitrator.”

    The Jewish Kol Nidre oath, which Finkelstein purports to have taken prior to entering into a contract with Wickstrom, holds in pertinent part:
    All vows…oaths…or equivalent terms that we may vow, swear, consecrate, or prohibit upon ourselves…we regret them henceforth. They will be…abandoned, cancelled, null and void, without power and without standing. Our vows shall not be valid vows; our prohibitions shall not be valid prohibitions; and our oaths shall not be valid oaths.

    Readers of the CohenReport may download and listen to the full interview (an mp.3 file) between Pastor James Wickstrom and Rabbi Abe Finkelstein HERE.

  15. American Patriots Friends Network has been accused of being racist.
    http://www.apfn.org/old/apfncont.htm

    http://justanotherblowback.blogspot.com/2006/10/american-patriot-friends-network-apfn.html

    Who is Ken Vardon?
    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/vardon.htm

    His network is friends to everyone; Muslims and New Agers like David Ickes, Max Igan, The Camelot Project. He even posts Naomi Wolfe You Tubes. I got the James P. Wickstrom article from him. I think I understand him a little bit better after reading the above article. now. I gave him a bad time a year ago, because he included non-Christian groups in his web sitee. He’s friends with Carol Valentine:

    Here’s her web sites:
    http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/index.html
    http://www.public-action.com/

    http://www.public-action.com/911/iraq-flier.html

    This is just one of the many, many Christian groups I came across that don’t believe the way I do. I began to question my beliefs, but in the end I went back and reviewed what I knew to be true and stayed with it.

    • God forgive us. With hateful men like James P. Wickstrom around, it is no wonder that Christians cannot witness well enough to help Jews get saved. What is a crime is that Christians allow men like him to propagate his hate of Jews, so that the gospel is destroyed.

  16. I’m not saying I agree with this, but this is a subject that a lot of people are talking about. It needs to be discussed. I can’t write, so I’ll leave it up to you to interpret. Jim Condit Jr. is a Catholic

  17. Is Brother Nanthaniel a White Supremacist too?

  18. I thought Brother Nathaniel and Jim conduit Jr. web sites were connected. Both their web sites are similiar. I thought they were Catholics. It just goes to show you there’s lots of opinions out there.

    http://www.realnews247.com/
    http://www.realzionistnews.com/
    http://realjewnews.com/

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/why-i-left-judaism-by-brother-nathanel-kapner/

    Ed of St. Lou.
    September 4, 2008 at 9:45 pm
    Meet Milton Kapner, aka Brother Nathanael. He was born into the Jewish faith before converting to the Orthodox Church in the late 1980s.

    My comment: The Russian Orthodox Church was under total K.G.B. control when Milton the Jew, supposedly converted to that Church. The K.G.B. has always been under Jewish control. I discovered that he doesn’t particularly care for me on his web-site. He has censored some things that I posted. He attacked me several times. He even sent me a personal e-mail intimidating me. If he is a Communist, than he sure is collecting a lot of personal information on people who are using his web-site. He could also be a sincere misguided convert who has been taught to hate real Catholics. My belief is that if Russia would win World War Three, non Russian Orthodox Christians would probably be executed, no different than what the Lubavitcher’s would do to the rest of us. We also know that Milton’s hero Putin is very close to the Lubavitcher’s who want to chop the head off of all non-Lubavitcher’s. Can we trust Milton? You decide!

    lichtbroeder says:
    This guy isn’t some cute eccentric. His web sites promote religious and social hatred and intolerance, and he has fans. Orthodox Christians disown him. He isn’t a real monk in fact, just dresses like one and “freelances” to his own agenda. He has a right to speak. We have a right to confront people like him at every turn and shout back. He embodies everything that gives religion a bad name, and millions have been marginalized or have suffered through history because of people like him. Don’t let the grin fool you. Google his name and check out his web sites to see the slimeball under the robe.

  19. Look whose running for congress this year. I guess it shouldn’t surprise me with all the kinds of people in our congress like Deceased Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank etc.

    http://www.jimconditjr2010.com/

    • True, I saw that on another page. I think he has ran about 10 times, and has never been elected. Who knows, the way this country is going, he might get in next time.

  20. Jim Condit Jr, Hal Turner and James P. Wickstrom are all White Supremists.

  21. I just discovered this guy a few months ago. He is a radical American. He forsees the coming breakup of American Zionism. He’s contributing to it. There’s many difinitions of Zionism out there that I’ve discovered.

  22. I ran across a reponse to the Annapolis “Peace” Conference

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/annapolistoc.html

    by Rabbi Chaim Richman and I thought I might post it. I never knew about this conference. Those were the days when George Bush was President and he had all of us fooled and still has most Christians fooled. I was very complacent and felt safe at the time.

    In the book of Zechariah it says:

    Zechariah 12:2-14

    “Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a “cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah.

    And it will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all peoples; all who lift it will be injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.

    “In that day declared the Lord” ” I will strike every horse with bewilderment, and his rider with madness”. But I will watch over the house of Judah, while I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness.

    Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, “A strong support for us are the inhabitants of Jerusalem through the Lord of hosts , their God”.

    “In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites of Jerusalem.

    “The Lord also will save the tents of Judah first in order that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem may not be magnified above Judah.

    “In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them.

    “And it will come about in that day that I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

    “And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of Grace and of supplication, so that they will look on “Me” on whom they have pierced and they will mourn for Him, as one who mourns for an only son and they will weep bitterly over him, like the bitter-weeping over a first born.

    • The Israeli government would not be in negotiations if it not were for the USA and the world pressuring it into concessions.

      If left alone, Israel would never chose to divide its land and give it away to its enemies.

      For a long time, Israel fought against such manipulations by other nations.

      But there are nuclear weapons now, pointed at Israel.

      America and other countries use threats of removing support if Israel does not cooperate.

      Israel’s government understands the heart of its people, to keep the temple mount, but it also does not want to see the entire state annihilated by its enemies.

  23. Israel will stand Alone in the Future That’s always how God has done it and will do it. In their weakness he will be strong. It’s a no brainer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I Corinthians 1:18-25

    For th word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness and to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
    For it is written,
    “I will destroy the widsom of the wise and the cleverness of the clever will set aside,
    “Where is the wise mean? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
    For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God. God was well pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
    For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom,
    but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
    Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

  24. I think God has a lot of work to do, and Satan doesn’t like it.

    This “posting/video” is the positive side here

    and this is the negative side

    “posting/video” over here of Israeli politics:

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/just-one-more-time/

  25. what I do find really disturbing is that there is no, absolutely no New Testament verses substantiation for Zionism.. The 2 Jewish dispersions by the gentiles were both predicted beforehand. One was predicted by the prophet Jeremiah in the Old Testament, and one by Jesus Christ himself in the New Testament. It is important to note that in the first prediction about the dispersions of Israel from their promised land there was a God given promise of their return. It is important to note that in the second prediction about the dispersions of Israel from their promised land there was no God given promise of their return. There actually is no Biblical promised prophecy, promised second return of the Jews to Israel in the Old Testament or in the whole Bible now too. after their second dispersion from Israel by the Romans in 70 ad.. . Not even one Bible verse even for the Jewish return in 1948.. Do try prove me wrong.. http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/even-as-to-the-promised-land/

    • hi nonconformer

      Jesus did not have to predict it because Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zecharaiah, and Joel already had.

      While earlier predictions of the return of the Jews had only involved returning from places of captivity, such as Babylon, these ancient predictions foretold a “world-wide” return for the “last days.”

      Jesus was not in the last days yet, and even instructed his disciples to reach the lost Jews of Israel which were still outside the borders.

      Take a look at those books of the bible and you will see the Jews back in the land of Israel, and being attacked by its enemies. One major reason for the return of Jesus, besides coming for his believers, is to rescue Israel from attack.

  26. Do see also

    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/dire-warning-of-israeli-strikes-on-iran/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/taiwanization-or-borking/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/anti-jewish/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/israel-killed-civilians-without-cause-and-not-the-first-time-too/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/harper-stays-silent-on-gaza/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/it-is-appalling/
    http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/the-bible-and-the-jews/
    http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/zionism-zionists/
    http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/john-hagee%e2%80%99s-israel-heresy/
    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-2-promised-returns/
    http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/the-restoration-of/
    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/i-have-learned-decades-and-decades-ago-that-the-brethren-are-deceitful/
    http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/

  27. Hi Nonconformer,

    It is easy to prove you wrong!
    Firstly you appear not to understand the meaning of Zionism.
    Zionism is a term to denote the inherent right of Jews to live
    in the land of Israel. This does not mean that Jews are God’s
    exclusive chosen people, but the land is certainly the apple of
    God’s eye,and the Jews have every right to be there!….Zec 2:8

    The following verse clearly states that the saved from all nations
    will inherit Israel, as God’s people; with no hint of chosenness;
    so I am not advocating Zionism in the misused spiritual sense.

    “And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day,and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee”….. Zec 2:11

    Many people believe that God has washed his hands of the Jews.
    While it is true under the new covenant, they are no longer His exclusive chosen people,why would He hold subsequent generations
    responsible for the murder of His son ?!
    The fact is that God in His mercy lifted the curse he placed on Israel so that Jews, like everyone else, have the opportunity to receive Jesus. However, because “the world” has always been,and
    will always be antisemitic, it is necessary for Jews to recieve
    protection during this time of accountability, so that many can
    come to salvation. Of course, at this time, Israel is by most part
    obstinate and unbelieving,but without supernatural protection from
    God, the most despised people in the history of the world, would
    be history!!

    Please explain how Israel,since 1948,has been transformed from a desolate “waste land” into the paradise it is today. Do you think that all that has been achieved is the result of human effort alone?
    Do you not consider the possibility that God is preparing “the Land”
    for a very specific reason; and why He will punish those who try to
    divide it?
    The very specific reason is that God is preparing Israel as the nucleus of his forthcoming Kingdom under the rulership of Jesus,
    who will make his glorious entry from the Mount of olives on his
    return to this new paradise God has been preparing since 1948; but
    only discernible by those who have been given “eyes” to see!

    “The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing”…Isaiah 51:3

    “In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit”…Isaiah 27:6

    “I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand,that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.”
    Isaiah 41:18-20

    Hope you find this helpful.

    God bless.

  28. Hi Nonconformer,

    Sorry, I should have included, similar to what Marianne said in
    her article, that it was necessary for God to regather the Jews,
    to facilitate their survival as a nation, and no doubt 1948 was
    God’s appointed time for this to happen. You must be aware that
    Israel was attacked the day after she became a “nation”;with
    intent to wipe her out, but she miraculously survived against the odds;as was the case with subsequent attacks in 1967&73.
    There can be no doubt that God chose 1948 to re-established his blessings on His chosen land.

  29. Whether or not Zionism is of God, if we go through another Great Depression, guess who is going to get blamed? America has always been a place of refuge for the Jews, but I have never seen so much hate of the Jewish people and replacement theology as I have on the internet. They are going to need Israel as a refuge.

    I could post many links on Aliyah, but this will do and it’s not Messianic.

    http://projectshofar.org/2010/10/27/jewish-destiny-will-find-all-jews-coming-home-to-israel/

    Jewish Destiny will Find All Jews Coming Home to Israel

    This post was written by Gary Cooperberg on October 27, 2010

    Posted Under: Aliyah, Redemption Process Once again I am about to leave Israel for a whirlwind speaking tour in the USA. As always I find myself asking myself, “Why am I doing this?” I am but one lone person making an annual trip for about ten days as a kind of self appointed ambassador for Israel. Am I crazy? I am not sure. Maybe I am.

    I suppose the reason I keep coming back is because everywhere I go I know that I do make a difference. It is impossible to measure my accomplishments (or lack thereof), but the feedback I get from the people with whom I speak gives me tremendous encouragement. So even though I myself do not fully understand what it is that I am doing, I just know that it is important and that I must continue doing it as long as I am able.
    The Bible tells us, (and I am neither a scholar nor a Rabbi so I do not remember where), that the day will come when there will be a great hunger and a great thirst. It will not be for either food or water, rather for the Word of G-d. When I go out to speak to people, both Jew and Gentile, I can sense this hunger and thirst. When I speak from my heart of the fulfillment I have found by leaving the comfortable Exile of the USA and coming home to what seems to be a dangerous Israel, I look into the eyes of my audience and they seem to be drinking up my words as a thirsty person would drink cool pure water! I have found this to be consistently true wherever I go. And it is this observation which gives me the strength and courage to continue.

    Being a Jew brings with it a very heavy responsibility. The Creator of the Universe chose us to be His representative on Earth. When we obey His Will and follow His Commandments we bear that responsibility and fulfill our obligations. When we seek to escape our responsibilities and think that we can find “freedom” and “equality” by so doing we discover that just the opposite happens. There is no freedom for the Jew except when we bear the yoke of our Torah. And there is no equality for us since we are meant to be a nation apart, not to be reckoned among the nations of the world. As hard as our leaders try to make Israel like all of the other nations all of their efforts are destined to fail. And the reward for these efforts are always tragic.

    The only peace process that will work is when Israel decides to become a nation that stands alone with her G-d. This is our destiny and this will eventually happen. When we try to give away our homeland for peace, we invite terror instead. When we stand up to both friend and foe alike and declare “Not one inch”, the terror melts away.

    The Arabs are not our problem. We are the problem. The Arabs are our punishment for not living up to our obligations as Jews. When Israeli leaders talk about including Arabs as equal citizens in the Jewish State, the Arabs know that we are liars. Had we made it clear from the outset that we are willing to accept Arab residents as non citizens should they be willing to live by our laws, we could have lived in peace with our Arab neighbors. Tell me which Arab country welcomes Jews as equal citizens? It was our leadership which opened to door to our potential self-destruction by inviting the Arab Trojan horse into our homeland and into our Knesset. When you give your enemy a knife and then turn your back, why are you surprised when you get stabbed in the back?

    How can you blame him when it was you who set him up?

    Israel is not just another country. It is destined to become the fulfillment of Biblical destiny. Those with eyes to see can see that this is already beginning. The Jewish People have begun to return home from all over the world. We have restored our ancient Hebrew language here and see people from extremely different backgrounds coming together as the unique Jewish nation that we are. This alone is an incredible miracle. In 1948 we accepted the suicidal partition plan. Had the Arabs accepted that plan then we would never have been able to develop into the modern country we have today. They saw us as a weak and feeble people who could not possibly stand up to a murderous onslaught. They were right. But they did not consider the fact that we have a supernatural partner protecting us. The fact that we survived the 1948 attempt to destroy Israel is another inexplicable miracle.

    For those who like to insist that we must give up Land for Peace, and just give the Arabs all of Judea, Samaria, Gaza and East Jerusalem, the question that begs to be answered is, “Why did the Arabs attack us with intent to annihilate us back in 1967 when they possessed all of Judea, Samaria, Gaza and East Jerusalem? Are we complete fools, or have we just forgotten the miracles we witnessed with our own eyes?

    We tried two states for two nations back in 1948. It didn’t work then and it most certainly will never work now. Notwithstanding the alleged peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt, the goal of all of the Arab nations is still the destruction of the Jewish State. To negotiate our “differences” is simply to find a way to agree to our self destruction. I think that it is about time to give real peace a chance and start to act like Jews for a change.

    All Jews have the same obligations. If a Jew chooses to eat unkosher food, or not to observe the Sabbath, these choices do not remove his obligations. He may try to escape his Jewish identity and become like his non-Jewish neighbors. He may pretend that he is accepted by his neighbors and even try to adopt a foreign religion to cement his new identity. But, he will eventually discover that there is no escaping destiny. Antisemitism was not meant to drive us away from our identity, rather to prevent us from throwing it away.

    There is only one path for the Jew to follow. It is the path of Torah. And that path also leads to the Land of Israel… the only place in the world where the Jew can be complete. Yes, the day is coming, and sooner than we think, that we will all come home, willingly or otherwise. Today we have the gift to choose to come home on our own.

    Tomorrow that gift may be taken from us. Don’t wait for tomorrow. Begin to make plans to come home now.

  30. Marianne;
    I think I found your Shofar. I’m 100% serious. I’m not being fastious. Anyone out there listening you know who you are. Listen up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    http://projectshofar.org/a-voice-from-hebron/

  31. https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/first-trump/

  32. Here’s a new Rabbi I discovered. He sounds Messianic. He sounds like one of us, but he’s not. He’s saying just what we are. Unbelievable. Totally cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_beams/

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    Tuesday, 22 February 2011

    What to Expect in the Middle East
    My good friend Dan Friedman from NYC asked me for my call on latest events here in the Middle East. With Hashem’s loving grace and time permitting, I hope to show in the coming days how recent events are exactly according to prophecies. Meanwhile, while looking at events through emuna (not political!) eyes, here’s what to expect in the Middle East

    * No democracies will emerge from the rubble of the upheavels in the Arab countries. The secular tyrants will be replaced by Islamic rule. More specifically:

    * Qaddafi’s fall in Libya is a matter of days. As a secular tyrant, he beat down the Muslims. They will now emerge to unite the country under Islam.

    * Expect to see a figure like Sheikh Yusuf el Qaradawi became the Islamic leader of Egypt; Egypt too will unite under Islam. Imagine the ramifications of the Muslim Brotherhood controlling the Suez Canal.

    * Abdulla II’s days are numbered in Jordan. It may take a little longer, but Jordan will become Islamic too.

    * Today crude oil is $86/barrel; expect that price to double in the nearest future.

    * Hamas will soon overthrow the corrupt PA in the West Bank; sounds like a longshot, but it’s part of the scenario. Why? It will complete the noose of radical Islam that surrounds Israel’s neck. But out of this fear, G-d willing, will sprout a marvelous return to Hashem and a miraculous redemption.

    * What can the West look forward to? It looks like major oil shortages, skyrocketing food prices, and much more economic difficulties; remember, these factors are historically fertile ground for antisemitism in the Diaspora.

    Brothers and sisters, I know things look scary over here, but I urge you to start thinking about aliya right away.

    • Hi Kitti,

      I agree 100% with the points the Rabbi is making, as you have listed. Have not had a chance to look at the website yet. This is the second Rabbi I have heard say that the Jews need to get out of America. He lists the problems, that are coming, as creating an anti-semitic sentiment in this country. That is something I never thought about, but sounds very realistic. Hitler blamed the problems in Germany on the Jews, paving the way for the holocaust. The other Rabbi was speaking of the turning of the Untied States, away from being pro-Israel to pro-Muslim. I believe we as believer’s in Yashua are as much a part of Israel as the homeborn, and just as much in danger as the Jews. Could aliya also be meant for non-ethnic Israel? Just something to think about.

      • A good question Al, but I think we are a part of the covenant. However, if G-d has put inside your heart to go live in Israel, it is not for me to write do not do it.

        Right now in America it is evil white males that are the enemy of the world. Most securlar, pagans not of Islam, and Islam all hate the Jewish state. Just look at the UN.

        I suppose that hate will grow inside America as we grow away from G-d’s orders. Which brings a curse.

        You folks have a good night.

  33. Al;
    Who is the other Rabbi? Maybe I know him, maybe I don’t.

    • Kitti,

      I’am really not sure of the Rabbi’s name. It was something that I read about a year ago. But it was very telling. He was basically telling the Jews to get out of the U.S. while there was still time.

  34. How can I share this on my facebook page?

  35. Look please, what is behind Zionism-freemasonry, because they work together ( 1 $ bill- the pyramid). The triangle is Zionism ! If you want to read ” The protocols of elders of Zion ” you’ll see who they are ! Killers, synagogue of satan ( Rev.2:9, 3:9 ) or serpents ( Matthew 23:33) ! Christians are the real jews ( Eph.2 :12-14). Israel will be not restored, until Jesus comming-back ! Besides, we , as christians, wrestl not against flash and blood, but against demons. We pray for Israel, but we never encourage crimes… never !

    • dear Petru

      I do appreciate your honest intent and viewpoint. however….

      Israel has not committed any crimes. We, as Christians, are not to fall prey to every false accusation we hear. the false accusations come from the most hateful, immoral people on the planet, which God has, in scripture, promised to eradicate at the return of Jesus.

      You have to be discerning and consider the source of information. If the source has a 100 year history of lies and racism against Jews, then why believe anything it says?

      Palestinians were instrumental in blocking immigration to Israel in the 1930s so they could all die in Germany. They aided hitler. And since the return of the Jews to Israel, they have repeatedly attacked him to destroy them. I encourage you to review history and see the pattern,

      Also, if you believe in prophecy, you will accept the fact that Jesus is returning at Armageddon to rescue the Jews from their enemies. (Zech 14, Revelation)

      Obviously, they have to be there to get rescued.

    • Nobody wants this video to be removed from Youtube !

      Thanks Marianne for this beautiful video where one can see the Palestinians are peaceful people 🙂 I hope they will continue to play soccer and have picnics for eternity on the dome place. Once again, have a guess why they are rioting ? The video takes great care not showing it be we all know who are the (hidden) responsibles behind (the Bible designates clearly who they are :))

      It is time to understand Quran include Jewish Religion. As long as Jews do not exclude themselves there won’t be any problem nowhere.

      By the way, what about Christians and Jerusalem ?!!!

      • the jews want peace more than anyone.

        that is why they have given back more than 70% of their land in peace agreements.

        but palestinians do not want peace. they want ALL the land and for jews to be cast into the sea. I have heard them say this.

        • you make me laugh, you are so naive

          http://www.whale.to/c/useful_idiots.html

        • you did not reply about Christians…

          • this is a palestinian program…language used does not matter

            the use of the monkey and other animal puppets and the entire format is identical to palestinian programming….arabs can speak hebrew and israelis can speak arabic

            palestinians have been caught impersonating israelis before…nothing new

            actors staging false programming is also not new either.

            there is also a category of “self hating jews” who are so godless and liberal they should not even be listened to.

            I have been to Israel, and all the ISraelis like christians, unless they are arab christians, because arab christians are still arabs and hate and curse the jews……

            not every person who calls themselves a christian follows the bible and jesus would reject them.

          • Israel TV does not have that symbol in the upper left corner….looks like a flame

            that is arab tv

            so that is a fake program

        • everybody wants peace Marianne, and you too

          you’ll have to make some efforts to love muslims as you do love any other human being…

          • I have no problems with muslims as a people…..I have worked with them and as I told you, a boy from pakistan lived in my house for 2 years.

            most do want peace…..

            but it is inspite of the religious teachings

            it is the RELIGION and its violent activity that I oppose

            and seeing the muslim world silent as islamists kill christians and slaughter them is unacceptable.

            it refuses to defend its own religion by stopping the violence. so maybe it agrees

            maybe the recent death of a Jordanian pilot will wake up muslim world and make it fight ISIS.

      • Yisroel, the only democratic country in the middle east. The people from muslim countries always say inshallah and G-d is not on muslims side so they will not establish a democratic country. Only people who wants to eredict Jews from middle east. Leave back eastern cyprus before talking about peace help from Christians.

        Yisroel patriot!

        • ASS, you don’t know what is democracy
          Democracy does not exist, you too are quite naive.

          Are you so naive that you don’t know there are bigger bosses above the US president, your “bibi” president, and (almost) all others ?

          If you are that naive, I doubt you are Jew.

          PS : once you will have erased all muslims of the earth, what will you do in Ukraine ? Kill the christians ?

          • Skydarkness33

            Instead of talking about something else. Confess that muslim countries do not have a democratic country in middle east because you do not have love in your hearts because you are part of the devil.
            Remember palestinkians attacked Jews. Turks attacked Cyprus. You are aggressive and we Christians and Jews are lovely. We love the Bible you an evil book.
            The conflict between russia and Ukraine is about money and not religion. This two countries have been communist for many years and during this years they was not allowed to be religious. If they was fully Christian they would not wage war or sell weapon to muslims.

            Christian and Yisroel patriot!

            • All conflicts are about money (power) and zionism is part of that same schema (as it was built by people who did not even believed in God, and wanted jews to convert to christianity !) and the powerful (bank owners) saw the opportunity to dive into that : having a country based on a paper.

              as you can see, Israeli do not hate arabs, but they know the zionists do ! that all

              • The conflict in Yisroel is based on religion and you say money. We ca not even discuss with you because you are brainwashed. Muslims are brainwashed. How can you say Christianity failed year 550 and we needed a new religion when NT was formed about year 300.
                You muslims are stupid fucks.

                Christian and Yisroel patriot!

            • If you don’t know what is the difference between a nazi and a human being just watch that video :

              and you will know that peace just start in your heart and nowhere else.

              Shalom

              • Skyshit33

                1 Corinthians 5:11

                We are not allowed to sit at the same table with muslims. This owner of the Cafe is one of few true believers.

                He is my hero. Thanks for posting this video.

                Yisroel 1948 and forever!

      • is this fair? she is not guilty but she is killed anyhow

    • here is the video the Zionists wants to remove from youtube…

  36. http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/about-those-jews-persons-who-still-falsely-refuse-to-acknowledge-openly-jesus-christ-as-their-lord-and-savior/

  37. Nonconformer,

    It is people like you who are the problem and the very reason Jews, who have not found their Messiah yet, struggle with all of this. As far as Messianic Jews, you and others who think like you, are pagan barbarians in their sight. It is you who needs to go to them. And so you shall someday, either as a slave or a convert. That will be your choice. I am shocked that anti-Semites like you can stand the stench of the filthy rags you clothe yourselves in. I apologize for the way I have approached you, but I have no patience for your anti-Semitic ramblings and your holier than thou attitude when you smell like you just came from the hog trough!!!!!!

  38. http://bible.cc/revelation/3-9.htm

    “Israel” uses White Phosphorous against the Palestinian people, a clear violation of U.N. Law. It is also in violation of numerous U.N. sanctions. “Israel” certainly is, indeed, the “synagogue of Satan” mentioned in Revelation.

    I humbly invite all those who fear God to come to Islam. The U.S. media has been used to demonize Islam, but your duty as a human being is to A) search for truth, and B) verify the claim to truth.

    • dear yahya

      The Palestinians have been shooting missiles into Israel since the Oslo agreement was signed. That is a violation also. Maybe if they quit, Israel would not have to fight back.

  39. Your views up to the following is Correct:- God further designates the timing of the prophecy to that day when He will make a “full end of all nations.” This can only refer to the final judgment. This is the awesome “end of the world” that Jesus and the disciples discussed in Matthew 24. That day will be marked with the Tribulation Period, the Battle of Armageddon and the spectacular return of Jesus Christ to this world, whereupon he will establish his throne in Jerusalem.

    You went wrong from here on wards because you are giving the meaning savior for the word Messiah. The word Messiah simply means only “Anointed one”. But when the Jews began to give the meaning a savior (a super king) to the word messiah they began to start to interpret Bible words in the wrong way.

    Basis of the Jewish belief in a messiah in the sense of a savior ( a super king) lies in the promise God gave to David. In fact the promise God made to David was a conditional one. But when the Jews began to see the promise with the wrong belief that Messiah is a savior ( a super king) they began to interpret it as an unconditional promise like the promise God gave to Abraham, Issac and Jacob. This belief went to the extent to make the Psalmist to say God said ” Ps.89:33 but I will not take my love from him, nor will I ever betray my faithfulness. 34 I will not violate my covenant or alter what my lips have uttered. 35 Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness– and I will not lie to David–” See Psalmist says to the God “38 But you have rejected, you have spurned, you have been very angry with your anointed one. 39 You have renounced the covenant with your servant and have defiled his crown in the dust.”

    See psalmist went to the extent to say God renounced his covenant and defiled his crown in the dust. Do you think God failed to keep his promise?
    It is not God but it is the Psalmist who went wrong. It is the wrong belief that the promise God gave to David was an unconditional one what made the Psalmist to make such a grievous accusation about God.

    You also are committing the same mistake i.e you also believe that the promise made to David is an unconditional one and messiah means a Savior – a super king in the lineage of David. But Jesus tried to correct the Jews some 2000 years back. Jesus is the first Jew who questioned that deep rooted Jewish belief that messiah is the son of David. Not only that Jesus told the Jews not to believe any individual who will come claiming he is the messiah. The ordinary poor Jews were not able to understand what Jesus says. But the educated and orthodox Jews could see Jesus is shaking the foundation of Jewish belief that a Messiah in the lineage of David would come. There is no wonder if they wanted to eliminate Jesus.

    Daniel.

  40. While clearly there is no doubt about Israel’s past God-given borders because they are described for us in detail in the Holy Scriptures: The Lord said to Abram after Lot had separated from him, “Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward; for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever… Arise, walk about the land through its length and breadth; for I will give it to you (Genesis 13:14-17). The Lord made a covenant with Abraham, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates” (Gen. 15:18-21). I will fix your boundary from the Red Sea to the sea of the Philistines, and from the wilderness to the River Euphrates

    For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land… And you will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers (Ezekiel 36:24, 28). Again Ezekiel predicts: Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land Jeremiah adds: Behold days are coming declares the Lord, when it will no longer be said, “As the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt,” but, “As the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.” For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers (Jeremiah 16:14-15).

    While only the Old Testament the Holy Scriptures record the fact that God swore an oath to give the Jewish people this Land there is no such confirmation in the new testament after the Jews 3rd expulsion from the Land of Israel, this time by the Romans, and so why was that? The Jews en masse openly had rejected their God given Messiah Jesus Christ. They were not removed from any rights to their land forever. The Messianic Jews, Jews, others will lie and tell you falsely otherwise.

    Today many peoples claim the same piece of real estate in the Middle East. Whose land is it? Who owns the title deed? Israel or the Palestinians? or Jesus Christ? Who has the right to decide to whom the Land belongs? Israel? The Arab nations? The United States? The United Nations? How do we decide? By occupation? By war? By the claims of history? by the Bible? including the New Testament.. The Land of Israel belongs to God. The Land is Mine; for you are but aliens and sojourners with Me (Leviticus 25:23). Since the Land of Israel belongs to God, He can give it to whomever He wishes and take it back now too.

    Jewish Ethnicity will not even facilitate one’s salvation. There are plenty of ethnic Jews that are saved but only by faith in Christ. Only a remnant will be saved for both Jew and Gentile. God is not a respecter of persons. We must do his will which is to believe in his son.

    Romans 2:29

    But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Mark 3:35

    For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

    John 5:45-46

    Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

    For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

    Acts 4:
    1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,
    2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
    3 And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide.
    4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.
    5 And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes,
    6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
    7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
    8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
    9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
    10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
    11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
    12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
    13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
    14 And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it

    The Romans, under Titus, grew tired of managing Israel and especially the Jews, and decided to end the Jewish problem in a dramatic and final attempt. Roman legions surrounded the city, set it on fire, and destroyed the holy Temple which was the center of Jewish life in Israel. Thousands of Jews were killed, and then thousands more taken into Roman slave and work camps. Roman historian Josephus, the one first hand account eyewitness whose testimony has survived, said this:

    “…the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier’s back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.” source – EyeWitnessTo History.com

    Sporadic fighting continued for a few more years, and then it was all over, Israel lay beseiged and beaten to a pulp. Years went by, then decades which gave way to centuries. There was no 3rd God’s Promise to return the Jews to Israel in the New Testament

    Jews and many others now have to falsely have to resort to lies and the past fulfilled promises of a return even-
    “After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.” Ezekiel 38:8

    Sadly some Christians and Messianic Jews, Jews now do falsely teach, act and think as if the seed of Jacob is a special nation over any other, and Judaism a special religion over any other religion,. This attitude is a false propoganda inserted by Jews, Messianic Jews and some false Christians. Of course, many such people, and certainly Messianic Jews holding this position, would protest that the Jews are no longer special but do remain a unique and chosen people, referencing numerous texts highlighting the now supposedly unique status of the Jewish people (See Deuteronomy 7:6, 14:2, 32:8; Psalm 33:12, 147:19-20; Isa 43:20, 65:22; Amos 3:2; Romans 3:1-2, for example)

    Yet, when it comes to our attitude toward Judaism, many of us make the category mistake of thinking of Judaism as being a special religion and by extension, Jews who do not believe in Yeshua – Jesus as being different from other people when it comes to knowledge of God, spiritual experience, and covenantal standing. In feeling, thinking, speaking, and writing, many rightfully do view all Jews who do not believe in Yeshua – Jesus as simply non-Christians, without hope and without God in the world, effectively pagans, even if they are still religious ones. No doubt many of you reading this falsely see the Jewish people today as still a unique and chosen people. This is no longer true. The term Chosen in the New Testament now is used only for the Christians. For God now there are now only two categories, Christian and non-Christian and Judaism is excluded.. the Jews are “non-Christians.”

    Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

    Acts 19:10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

    Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Galatians 3
    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Colossians 3
    11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

    Romans 1
    14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Romans 10
    12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

    1 Corinthians 1
    22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

    23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

    24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

    2 Corinthians 6
    17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-lies-of-the-false-Christian-Zionism-Movement/166907416793938

  41. Now the sole and the only, true Israel today is the Church, the bride of Christ.. so the church alone can claim these promises of God IN THE BIBLE, today..
    The “true Israel” of God, which in the OT was comprised of all ethnic Jews who were circumcised in heart, finds its NT expression in the Church, now comprised of all believing ethnic Jews and all believing ethnic Gentiles. Or, to use Paul’s imagery from Romans 11, the one Olive Tree = True Israel = the Church in which are both natural (Jewish) branches and unnatural (Gentile) branches, but in all cases “believing branches Jesus taught that his resurrection was the raising of the True Temple of Israel. He has replaced the priesthood, sacrifices, and sanctuary of Israel by fulfilling them in his own glorious priestly ministry and by offering, once and for all, his sacrifice for the world, that is, for both Jew and Gentile. Believers from all nations are now being built up through him into this Third Temple, the church that Jesus promised to build.

    .

    Heaven awaits the Jewish return TO God, Jesus Christ, and rather NOT TO THE PROMISED EARTHLY LAND BUT TO THE NEW HEAVENLY Jerusalem.. In reality the first God promised restoration of the remnant of Israel had been met.. The aspiration of returning to their homeland was first held by Jews exiled to Babylon some 2,500 years ago – a hope which subsequently became the reality. (”By the water of Babylon, there we sat down and wept when we remembered Zion.” Psalms 137:1). And the full promised by God restoration of the remnant of Israel and of the Gentile has been already priory fulfilled, the latter one fulfilled by God in Jesus Christ on Pentecost , in Jerusalem, as witnessed, as stated in the books of Acts before the 70 AD dispersion.. which most of the Jews wrongfully reject even till today and next wanted to have their own Jewish only state.. In Acts 15:14-18, James confirms, interprets the prophecy of Amos 9 that describes the rebuilding of David’s tabernacle as finding its fulfillment in the calling out of Gentiles and the progressive formation of the Christian Church Zionism, on the other hand, “is a secularist, largely atheistic ideology” that emerged in the late 19th century. It is unbelievable, undeniable that the professing Christian people who do not know the Bible can be so easily deceived, led astray too by many others, pastors and Jewish persons, Zionists included.. And had most people most Christians read the Bible for themselves they would have known the whole truth and would not have been so easily misled by others. The 2 Jewish dispersions by the gentiles were both predicted beforehand. One was predicted by the prophet Jeremiah in the Old Testament, and one by Jesus Christ himself in the New Testament.

    .

    It is important to note that in the first prediction about the dispersions of Israel from their promised land there was a God given promise of their return. It is important to note that in the second prediction about the dispersions of Israel from their promised land there was no God given promise of their return. There actually is no Biblical promised prophecy, promised second return of the Jews to Israel in the Old Testament or in the whole Bible now too. after their second dispersion from Israel by the Romans in 70 ad.. . Not even one Bible verse even for the Jewish return in 1948.. Do try prove me wrong..

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    Jesus, who is God clearly said to all persons now.. JN 15:4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much …fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 15:6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 15:7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. (Rev 3:12 KJV) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. (Heb 1:2 KJV) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Acts 2:36 KJV) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

    .

    Christian Zionists falsely now contrary to the New Testament do support the rebuilding of the nation of Israel, Jerusalem as the center of Worship, and the rebuilding of the Temple and are in error because of their false refusal to acknowledge Jesus Cjrist as Lord and how Jesus and the Apostles reinterpreted the Old Testament, with a false assumption that Old and New Testament run at times parallel into the future, the former speaking of Israel and the latter of the Church.

    .

    (Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Rom 2:9 KJV) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

    .

    Jesus and the apostles repudiated the notion that the Jews continued to enjoy a special status or relationship apart from faith in Jesus as their Messiah. If God does not show favoritism, the Jews cannot an longer presume to enjoy a favored or exclusive status. By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. (Hebrews 8:13). The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming– not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship (Hebrews 10:1)

    .

    It is fundamental that all persons, Zionist and Christians, do read the Scriptures solely with Christian eyes, and that they interpret the Old Covenant in the light of the New Covenant, not the other way round. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians. 2:16-17) This is the most basic hermeneutical error which Christian Zionists consistently repeat is illustrated in the way Christian Zionists continue to regard the Jews as God’s ‘chosen people’ and clearly which is no longer true.

    .

    (Jer 2:13 KJV) For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. (Jer 2:32 KJV) Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride… her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number. (Jer 7:23 KJV) But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. (Rom 9:7 KJV) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (Rom 9:32 KJV) Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone; (Rom 16:18 KJV) For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. (Rom 8:5 KJV) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.As per the next full supposed re-gathering of the twelve tribes of Israel note this had occurred in Pentecost, in the book of Acts where all of the tribes of Israel were represented, present thus. (Acts 2:2 KJV) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. (Acts 2:36 KJV) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 16:31 KJV) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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    Reality also now is that Apostle Paul was once a Jew but he rightfully gave up his Jewish religion, and followed solely after Jesus Christ so did all of the Apostles, and that was why the Jews hated them, and still do.. There is no Jews or gentiles now in Heaven only born again Christians, all those persons anointed with the holy spirit.

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    • “thenonconformer”,

      For an anti-Semite, your exegesis is surprisingly accurate and objective!…All that is required now is Godly wisdom for you to understand what constitutes a Christian heart…and on that understanding, you may rightfully consider yourself “thenonconformer”—a true spiritual Jew !

  42. Thessalonians 1:10:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

    1 Thessalonians 5:9,23:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ… 23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 4 Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?” 5 And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you…And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations (Mark 13:3-10).

    “That’s why He has provided so many signs to warn us to the fact that we are living on the threshold of the tribulation.”

    No rather we should be Titus 2:13:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, James 5:7-9:7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. 1 Peter 5:4:4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away. 1 John 2:28-3:2: 28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. Jude 1:21:21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Revelation 2:25:25 But hold fast what you have till I come.

    The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times.. and what signs are these? that are now so different from the ones we had the last 2000 years? and how would you even know they are different too? Jesus himself still said no one knows the date of his return and not even him.. so why argue with him them now? a rebellious spirit? The signs Jesus was talking about were the end times of Judaism, the destruction of the Jewish temple, Jewish records, and their world wide dispersions too. Nothing else. Let’s look at what else Jesus says:

    “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (Luke 21:20-24). In Jeremiah 30:7 we read of a time called “Jacob’s trouble” described as the worst ever. Daniel 12:1 also describes a “time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation.” This is an almost identical expression to that used by Jesus in Matthew 24:21. These verses are all describing the same event!

    Now those bad people pick and choose now some verse and try to force it mean something such as the restoration of Israel was promised 1948.. when there is no New Testament substantiation for it and it contradicts Jesus own words that the house of Israel will be made desolate even till His return.. .. or that a new temple will be built even one that even now Contradicts the will of God still..

    “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near” (Luke 21:25-28).

    Jesus is teaching that He is coming sometime after the distress of nations. Thus, Jesus is NOT returning before the tribulation even begins.

    But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be (Matthew 24:19-21).

    But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter. For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be (Mark 13:17-19).

    But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people (Luke 21:23).

    These verse now have already been fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.. The Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21) is not about the second coming of Christ. It is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70; Christ’s impending resurrection, ascension and enthronement; and the final days of temple worship and the end of the Mosaic covenant. Christ’s own words stated it would happen in their lifetime. (the preciseness and accurate, detailed fulfillment of Jesus’ words are documented by the then contemporary historian Josephus) Jesus clearly described what he called the “great tribulation”, as part of what would happen in their generation, but would never happen again. Jesus clearly and explicitly said it will not. Matt 24:21 “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be”. The “Great Tribulation” took place in the fall of Israel. It will not be repeated and thus is not a future event. (although Christians in every age have had to endure suffering for the faith)

    It is also now therefore, not a surprise that of the m,ore than 23 predictions from modern prominent Christians, that the World would end between January 2000 and today, alone….. none of them have actually come true? Why? Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    2 Thessalonians 2:1. 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    Notice that above passage states that the man of sin is to be revealed BEFORE Jesus comes and that Paul is warning Christians not to be deceived by others who teach otherwise.

    I Cor. 13:9 Paul said, “… we prophesy in part.” There are two reasons for this. One is expressed in Prov. 4:18, “But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.” In other words, the revelation of truth is progressive and needs to be checked out, confirmed by the Holy Spirit, the Bile, even others..

    Just because we have the Bible doesn’t mean we have all the truth at our disposal. The truth contained in the written word must be “opened” or revealed by Christ if we are to understand it and benefit. All the study in the world will not take the place of Christ opening the book and ministering living anointed truth suited to the time and need.

    Daniel, as great a man of God and yet he was, was still even told to shut up the words and seal the book till the time of the end. Daniel 12:4. The end times was the begging of Christ Ministry on earth and the the related New Testament development and it’s Pentecost.. As only Christ has the authority to “open the book” (Rev. 5:1-5)

    It is not time to live in fear or some kind of fatalistic expectation of any of the darkness overtaking the light. Rather, it is time to recognize 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

    “Jesus Christ came as the Son of Man (the Second Adam) to set up God’s Kingdom on the earth. The Biblical prophecies that Christ would reign as King were fulfilled in Christ’s enthronement at His ascension. Daniel’s prophecy of the Son of Man coming in the clouds was fulfilled at the ascension of Christ. The Kingdom was established during the first advent of Christ, (including the judgment of A.D. 70 and destruction of the temple) It is now in progress and will continue to increase until the end of the world.

    Most of the future s prophecy supporters tend to take you away from Jesus Christ, onto the devil, 666, antichrist etc.. as they still do tend not know the holy Spirit personally, and even tend to deny his operations.. so that shows me how really are lost..

    The false Dispensationalist eschatology falsely has produced a view that the reign of God and His glorious Kingdom is for some distant future 1000 years era instead of any present reality, how clearly demonic. This doctrine sabotages any real hope or expectation for renewal and revival. This errant theology is fatalistically glorifying mainly that devil and the “anti-christ” who is about to emerge in the earth and try and make them accept a tattoo or computer chip in order to buy and sell. It grants power to a devil who Scripture tells us has been stripped of all power and authority. (Luke 10:19; Col. 2:15) It has contributed to a fear that there is a vast and comprehensive world-wide conspiracy of evil all around us, poised and ready to take over the government, the economy, and even the apostate churches. It reduces the need to contemplate and to dwell on Christ.. 1 Corinthians 2::2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

    The possibility of personal salvation world wide is emphasized and thus the goal is to get everybody ‘saved”; while ignoring Christ’s actual commission in Mathew 28:18-20 to disciple nations and neglecting the truth that the Christian now has an ability live a full Holy Spirit filled, empowered Christian life.. as Jesus himself had said in John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    All of Christ’s enemies are gradually being subdued under His reign from heaven. He will remain in heaven until all enemies are defeated. The last enemy, death will be destroyed when he returns. (Acts 2:34-35)

    More specifically, through faith in Christ we have ALREADY passed from death into life; have ALREADY been healed by His stripes; have ALREADY been raised up with Him; and are ALREADY seated with Him in heavenly places. We ALREADY have dominion over sin, sickness and disease, and even nature itself, but must activate those things by faith. (Note Ephesians 2:4-7; Colossians 2:11-16)”Isaiah 9:6-7: “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder… Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”

    Please be like the Bereans of old who “searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so” (Acts 17:11).

    and while you are waiting for Jesus to come are you serving Him?

    • I am getting a mix of concepts from you.

      Either things were fulfilled 2000 years ago, or they are to be fulfilled, or part was fulfilled 2000 years ago, and the other part is to be fulfilled?

      I have not seen the sun turn dark and the moon turn red, with an earthquake and stars falling yet. (6th seal)

      the man of sin has not been revealed yet….or maybe we have an idea who he could be but it is not official….

      yet I agree that the temple was destroyed 2000 years ago, and people, who wanted to live, fled to the mountains.

      so how can you say that the restoration of Israel does not fulfill prophecy?

      http://www.therefinersfire.org/recent_prophecy.htm

      • Most people take isolated verse and twist them to suit what they want others to believe still especially the false Dispensationalists

        (Isa 30:1 KJV) Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

        I am aware of the fact John Darby and Cyrus Scofield have led many saints into such a mess, that it’s become the tool for a Brethren cult too! Some persons do preach, write out of their guilty, to compensate for the related emptiness they are feeling, while others write because they are ambitious, they write out of seeking fame, their seeking a place of prominence.. many are just lead by the devil too.

        Too many persons here too are wrongfully these days adding or taking away from the word of God, the Bible and that is why there is so much disputes, different contradictory wrings in the Churches also these days.. of course this happens cause there will be always the wolves now amongst us as well, those followers of the devil who want to destroy the word of God too. It is not a coincident that too many Dispensationalists do also oppose the work of the HOLY SPIRIT today as well, HIS Charismatic GIFTS NOW TOO.

        Dispensationalism is basically false and it is the method of interpreting the scriptures that sees two distinct peoples of God, with two distinct destinies of Israel and the Church. It also unacceptably tries falsely to explain away the relevance of the gifts of the holy spirit today. It is not a coincident that too many Dispensationalists do also oppose the work of the THE HOLY SPIRIT today as well, HIS Charismatic GIFTS NOW TOO.

        ” Note: This list represents a wide segment of popular Dispensational teachings; however, Dispensationalism is by no means a monolithic entity, and many self-professed Dispensationalists, particularly in the Progressive school, would not adhere to many of its points.

        Introduction: Dispensationalism is basically the method of interpreting the scriptures that sees two distinct peoples of God, with two distinct destinies � Israel and the Church. Some of the tenets that all or most contemporary mainstream Dispensationalists would hold to include the following:

        1.The Church is not the continuation of God�s Old Testament people, but a distinct body born on the Day of Pentecost.
        2.The Church is never equated with Israel in the New Testament, and Christians are not Jews, true Israel, etc.
        3.The prophecies made to Israel in the Old Testament are not being fulfilled in the Church, nor will they ever be.
        4.The Church does not participate in the New Covenant prophesied in the Old Testament; it is for ethnic Israel, and will be established in a future millennial kingdom.
        5.The Old Testament saints were saved by faith alone, on the basis of the Calvary-work of Christ alone; however, the object of their faith was not Christ, but rather the revelation peculiar to their dispensation.
        6.The Old Testament saints did not know of the coming �Church Age,� of the resurrection of Christ, or basically, of what we today call the gospel.
        7.When Jesus came to earth, he offered the Jews a physical kingdom, but they rejected him.
        8.When Jesus proclaimed �the gospel of the Kingdom,� it was the news about how ethnic Jews might enter and find rewards in this physical kingdom, and is to be distinguished from the gospel as defined in I Corinthians 15:3-4, which the apostles later proclaimed to the church.
        9.After the Jews rejected Jesus’ kingdom offer, he inaugurated a parenthetical ‘Church Age’, which will be concluded immediately before God again takes up his dealings with his national people, ethnic Israel.
        10.During the ‘Church Age,’ Jesus is not reigning from the throne of David; he is engaged instead in his priestly work, and his kingly work will take place in the future millennial kingdom.
        11.At some unspecified but imminent time, Jesus will return (but not all the way to earth, just to the air) and rapture his Church, also called his Bride; for the following seven years, they will feast with him at the marriage supper of the Lamb; meanwhile, on earth, he will begin to deal with his national people, ethnic Israel, again, calling them to himself and preserving them in the midst of seven years of great tribulation; at the midpoint of which, the Antichrist will set himself up as god in the rebuilt Jewish temple, and demand worship from the world.
        12.After these seven years, Christ will return, this time all the way to earth. He will defeat the forces of evil, bind Satan and cast him into a pit, and inaugurate the physical Jewish Kingdom that he had offered during his life on earth. The Jews who survived the tribulation will populate the earth during this blessed golden era, and the Christians will reign spiritually, in glorified bodies.
        13.After these thousand years, Satan will be released and will gather an army from the offspring of the Jews who survived the tribulation. He will be finally defeated and cast into hell. At this time, the wicked dead will be resurrected and judged, whereas the righteous dead had already been resurrected one-thousand-seven years previously, at the rapture. Christ will then usher in the New Heavens and New Earth, and the destinies of all mankind will be finalized. Dispensationalists are divided as to whether or not there will remain a distinction between Christians and Jews in the New Earth. ”

        The New Testament Church is the continuation of this one people.

        Act 15:12-17 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

        Rom 9:23-26 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

        Rom 11:11-32 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?… For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. [Whether or not one sees a future for ethnic Israel in this passage is beside the point: in any case, there is only one people of God, represented by the one olive tree. Believing Gentiles have been grafted into this one tree, and unbelieving Jews broken off; but when they are grafted back in, it will be the same tree into which the Gentiles were grafted, God’s people, true Israel.]

        Gal 3:7-8 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

        Gal 3:13-14 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

        Eph 2:11-22 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

        Eph 3:5-6 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

        Hence, New Testament believers are called Jews, Abraham�s seed, etc.

        Rom 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

        Rom 4:11-12 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

        Rom 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

        Gal 3:6-7 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

        Gal 3:26-29 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ�s, then are ye Abraham�s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

        Gal 4:21-31 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

        Phi 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

        Heb 12:22-24 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

        1Pe 2:9-12 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. [Some have said that these Jewish terms are applied to the Church by way of analogy, not identification. However, when Peter goes on to speak of these ethnic Gentiles in contrast with the �Gentiles,� he makes it clear that he actually is intending to refer to them as Jews.]

        Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

        Of great significance that John Hagee and his scantly veiled two-covenant theology has overlooked in pursuit of a personal political agenda (in the name of Christianity) called �Christian� Zionism and what appears to be a strong bid to hijack Biblical Christianity and replace it with Judiasm are the powerful words and teachings of Paul written in Romans Chapter 9 and Galatians Chapter 4 and 5

        http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/most-people-do-take-isolated-verse-and-twist-them/

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  44. Jews are edomites and will be destroyed.

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