Swords of Angels
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If angels are spirits, why do they need swords?
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Here are a few places in scripture where the use of swords by angels is mentioned:
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Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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Num 22:23 And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.
Num 22:31 ¶ Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.
1Ch 21:12 Either three years’ famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh [thee]; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel. Now therefore advise thyself what word I shall bring again to him that sent me.
1Ch 21:16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders [of Israel, who were] clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.
1Ch 21:27 And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
1Ch 21:30 But David could not go before it to enquire of God: for he was afraid because of the sword of the angel of the LORD.
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Is the use of the sword just symbolic?
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Do they use swords to exclusively fight evil mankind?
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Do the good vs dark forces use swords to fight each other?
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If yes, then does this imply a special nature or vulnerability of angels, that they can be wounded?
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Revelation 12 describes a war in heaven between the heavenly angels, and the dragon’s forces.
How do they fight?
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Partial explanation?
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reference:
http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/234424-Angels-use-swords
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Angels are described as ministering spirits sent by God to serve His people.
“Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?” Hebrew 1:14
God doesn’t need these creatures to accomplish His will and He doesn’t need us – also created beings as angels are – to accomplish His will.
But He does us both angels and humans nonetheless.
Part of that service for our sake is protecting us.
You can see this in 2 Kings 6 and 2 Kings 19.
In the first passage, Elijah gets to see these ministering spirits with their horses and chariots of fire ready to protect God’s people.
And in the second passage, the angel of the Lord came down and destroyed thousands of people.
The sword was apparently necessary.
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Unanswered questions!!!!!
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Does anyone know the answers?
Heaven Awaits 
I would assume that “spirit” doesn’t mean that there is no form of a body. A physical entity. Just different. Jesus has a body. But it is glorified. The angels are physical as well as spiritual. Just a different kind of physical as we know it.
Also, the sword of the spirit… I wonder if that has any hint of what the sword means?
Odd. I find it that microwaves heat by sound. How funny is that?? Everything is a physical thing. Spiritual is no different, just not what we really understand. You can still touch it in its own way. The way that The Lord made it to be.
This is gonna be a great convo! Cant wait to learn more! Blessings…
that would be interesting if the sword they were using was the Word of God, as used in the NT, but it does not say that in the OT
Hi Marianne. In my own experience is the power that the Lord given us all as children of God , I see it as a spiritual force , a divine force that can smash over evil in a flash. I think the bible interpretation is very exact and clear of what it is. We have the power to defeit the devil spirits not only spiritualy but also physically. Not by loooking for protection undercovers but by smashing in the middle of its belly without any fear.This divine force is a sword. But this sword is not ment to kill but to defeat because the devil spirits can not be killed. Evil spirits as well as any spiritual being can only be sent to eternal damnation or to a heavenly life.
Evil spirits can not have ANY part of heaven. They ARE doomed to eternal damnation.
He Spoke… and it was. What ever He spoke. His Word is power. And if you think of sound (as in a microwave, but bigger) that is a pretty powerful “sword”. Sound it self can be very hot. My step-dad was in the navy. And the sonar or what ever it was, that thingy that looks like a dish… he used to have to go check on it. They warned him not to get too close. he said that you could feel the heat radiate from it. Not sure about it, but I trust what he said.
Then the shofar… interesting that they use that to sound things… I can see how it was in the OT. ” And then the walls came tumbling down.” But not specifically said. Just a thought.
Ooooh! this study is gonna be fun! THANK YOU!
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/angells/nature.html
“microwaves heat by sound” No the don’t they heat by electromagnetic vibration waves. (they resonant the water molecules and ‘heat them up’).
There is a lot more to this electromagnetism than meets the eye. I bet a sword could overcome it though. 🙂
See. This is good to know. I didn’t know how it heated. Then was told it is basically sound. Made sense. But to me, most things can make sense. haha. Thanks! Will let “them” know how it works. 🙂
go this from a friends’ blog
http://abelarchangel.wordpress.com/
it is over my head……..
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The Nature of Matter
Long before there was a need for space there was a need for time. Untold eons passed before space came into being. Before that void was comprised solely of time.
Matter in its pristine state is spatially and energetically motionless. It has no need of a spatial/energetic past (where it was) or a spatial/energetic future (where it will be). It simply expresses time. Motionless matter requires very little space, its’ dimensional components “stacked” in matrix of maximal potential. Only with motion did matter come to require space, and a way to express its’ differing energetic potentials. This motion was initially caused by the gravitational pull of the Great Attractor. As the interior components of matter began to move they also began to require more space and with that motion a need to express their positional and energetic past and future. Eventually matter’s ability to maintain a complete set of temporal/spatial components was compromised and two quadrants of space/time collapsed with the loss of four temporal/spatial components. Two of these components with opposite character and spin where ejected in opposite directions, while the other two collided, annihilating each other in a flash of energy. This flash of energy and the ejected spatial/temporal components reacted with other atoms causing similar reactions. The resulting chain reaction is what we call the Big Bang.
To better understand these reactions and the four temporal states of matter that are the remnents of the Big Bang I must first explain the nature of matter and time.
Matter expresses three dimensions of time. The primary dimension of time intersects two dimensions of space allowing for the movement of particles within that plane. The second dimension of time intersects two dimensions of electrostatic energy, allowing for movement of particles within that plane. The third dimension of time intersects two dimensions of magnetic energy allowing for movement of particles within that plane. Each of these dimensions, in turn, have both positive and negative dimensional components. Thus matter has nine positive dimensions and nine negative dimensions all expressed on the two dimensional brane of their existence.
Initially temporally polarized in its’ spatial dimension, subsequent chain reactions temporally polarized matter in its’ energetic dimensions as well. Each time with a loss of two temporal/energetic quadrants and four temporal/energetic components. Again, two components colliding and annihilating while two are ejected in opposite directions.
Matter temporally polarized in its’ spatial dimension but saturated in it’s magnetic and electrostatic dimensions is called angel stuff. This is the stuff that angels are made of. Their matter is still temporally saturated electrostatically and magnetically, giving them the ability to move through those dimensions of time as we can move through the dimension of space. Thus angels and archangels are capable of speeds greatly exceeding that of light.
Matter temporally polarized in its’ spatial and magnetic dimensions but still saturated in its’ electrostatic dimension is called soul stuff. This is the stuff that souls are made of. They too, can move through time like we move through space making a trip to heaven (at the center of the Milky Way) possible.
Matter temporally polarized in its’ spatial and electrostatic dimensions but still saturated in its’ magnetic dimension is called spirit stuff. This is the stuff that spirits are made of. Though they are not native to this world, they too, can move through time like we do space and being electrostactically polarized they are the most capable of influcing matter of the type that we are familiar with.
Matter polarized in all three temporal dimensions is called life stuff. This is the stuff that life is made of. Unable to move through the dimensions of time, it takes on the characteristics that we are familiar with including that if inertia and momentum.
In its’ saturated state, matter is still attached temporally to the omnipresent “now” of its’ own existence. Movement through time is in the spirals made necessary by this attachment. The wavelike motion of matter and energy that we are familiar with are the temporal “remnants” of these temporal spirals projected upon the two-dimensional brane of existence.
Temporally saturated matter emits temporally saturated gravity and light. These energetic emissions interact most strongly with matter of the same saturation state. But interactions with other phase states do occur. This is the source of the dark energy and gravity that humanity seeks. In the center of the Milky Way, the concentration of temporally saturated matter is great enough to form angel, soul and spirit stuff stars and planets. The light from these stars is the light that leads to heaven.
Light and gravity emitted from these stars moves in spirals rather than waves. The speed of their emission varies with frequency, unlike the light and gravity emitted from temporally polarized sources.
Energy emitted in positive dimensional space is light, inducing matter to move away from the source of emission. Lacking the entropy expressed in temporally polarized matter, that is always directly away from the source of emission in temporally saturated matter. Energy emitted in negative dimensional space is gravity, inducing matter to move towards the source of emission. A thought experiment and empiric test of this follows.
If two equal masses were converted to energy and the energy from those two sources was made to interfere destructively, the masses and energy would be annihilated. If the mass and energy of this universe is conserved, what became of that mass and energy? I would submit that it was converted to gravity. An empiric test of this theory would be to suspend two lead plates within a vacuum chamber then annihilate two sources of elecromagnetic energy between them. If gravity is created, the plates will be drawn together. Since the deflection will be small and proportional to the energy annihilated, instrumentation should be used to measure it.
Cool…
gonna share this in my FB group 🙂
How are you Marianne? Miss you!
doing ok….you are busy on FB…i am busy here.
Eph 6-17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Now where in the OT does it insinuate or say that the word is the sword of the spirit (if it does)? Alluding to… now that I can see. 🙂 In the NT we have the above at least…
yes, that is why I think the angels had real swords, but in the NT, it might be either a physical sword, or the Word.
We all guess, and mostly incorrect, only God truly knows how every thing really works and how it is all put together, one day we will know as per His promise. All we can do now, is to draw closer to Him every day and ask the Holy Spirit to explain the things we do not know to us and probably will not believe Him in any case.
Consider the following things Love, Praise and Gratitude.
Even should He tell someone and it does not fit into our view of things, do you think we will believe it? we will find some scripture in the Word that we will quote out of context to nullify the truth. To give a good example – ” The Rapture” there are 3 people and they have twenty views and all will explain his/her viewpoint from the Bible.
Know one thing that is absolute – God is “LOVE” and being the only CREATOR He will not create any thing that is contrary to His character.
The second absolute is that we are ALL created in His image.
I will stand fast with this, because to say more will only open Pandora’s Box.
Beautiful, Marianne…
When I was a kid I learned that every 7 years our human bodies are totally renewed…a complete cycle every 7 years.
This fascinated me and I would think of it every7 years…like the old commercial for milk with the song, ” There’s a new You coming every day!!”
Then modern physics says our dense matter is something like a hologram whose essence, actual permanent reality, is ….well, you know how those guys hate to use religious terms…they might lose their tenure!!
But knowing that our bodies are in a constant flux and that all the atoms have been in water, mountains, animals, humans, clouds…why is the certainty of eternal life so hard for some people to see, since their own personal self has totally recycled many times anyway.
It is the sword of Christ’s mouth which slays the wicked at the Battle of Armageddon. The sword of Christ’s mouth is His power to hold sins bound. Anyone struck down by the sword of Jesus mouth, goes to hell.
Jesus blew the Holy Spirit upon His Apostles and swears to them that anyone whom they hold bound to their sins on earth, He will hold bound to their sins in heaven. Christ’s Apostles, even the Pope and Bishops on earth today, are in possession of the Sword of Christ’s mouth, Church anathema.
When our King and Lord, Jesus Christ, gives the order for war, at Armageddon, Catholic Clergy, will be Christ’s, Angels of the Apocalypse, hurling the wicked into hell.
On the other side of Armageddon, under Messianic Reign, the repentant can rise up from strikes of the sword of Christs mouth, through the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The Sacrament of Reconciliation, is Jesus power to hold sins loost, which He also gave to His Apostles. Jesus is enthroned as King and Ruler of the world, at Armageddon. Many do repent and rise back to spiritual life, through Christ’s power in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, to live in Zion with Jesus. Zion, the restored Kingdom of Israel, is born, on earth, when Jesus, a descendant of King David, is crowned as King and Ruler of the world, at Armageddon.
Satan, code-name Babylon, Falls at the Battle of Armageddon
http://apocalypseangel.com/babylon.html
Marianne
In the word it tells us that the sword cuts both ways it is sharp and can separate soul and spirit and cuts joint bone and marrow.
Why would we think that a metal sword is greater than the word of the spirit
God gave to the saints. If you use it you will find that Gods’ promises deliver
fully! Turn on the words against the attacker and wait for the action. it is great!
If Angels can only be seen by saints and prophets why would you think it
would be tangilbe thing. They are immortal and of the ability to be seen
and to be invisible.
I say the word is the two edge sword for both the Angel and the human. God gave the humans the right to judge Angels at the end of time. That is a very powerful thing. The angels want to know more about us and our relationship with God I guess you would say, that is alot of power. If angels have charge over keeping you from harms way I would say they ues the same instrument that we use, unless maybe it has to do with Michael the
Arch angel.
I can not say that every saint under stands the sword and its function to
overcoming the enemy. You have to get kicked down alittle and have a
plan of work for God for the sword to be fully funtional.
I say every day of this year can hold importance starting in the month of January. Decisions will be made where America will stand in determining
life and death for the citizens of the greatest nation ever built by God. This year is going to provide more edification to saints than any other time in our nation I feel and i also think many miracles will happen. But at the beginnning we will experience some sorrows.
Many in this nation have a sword that is visible to the enenmy and having
faith it does just as God said, it will cut the enemy asunder. Other saints don’t have the abilty as they do not believe fully or they don’t feel they are worthy to have and use what God gave to them.
I have learned to use my sword and I delivered the word Wed evening in my church and I spoke about understanding the word and trusting God regarding the word and the sword.
My Daddy was a minister and he use to say to me some times we have to remind God of his promises? I did not understand what he met. But he was my Daddy and I did not feel I should say I did not understand. He was a minister and if I did not understand I was going to get a lecture so I said nothing.
But oddly enough God knew I would need Daddy’s words later in life to save my life and live the life in freedom that God promised.
So he brought the words of my Dad to me to help lead me out of the wilderness. I say her surely the Father has looked down and said Oh Pattie is going to get sometime, he never gave up on me. I felt I was a dumb as a box of rocks.
But now when I am being attacked, I draw the sword and use it in prayer warfare with my strong tower on the other end of the line. The enemy has
to break off and I would guess that they are cast down or at least tread
down under the feet of an understanding saint. Unless I have been in
a traingin camp and their are many times I felt like that, praise God
not any more.
Be blessed
I have that defense, praise God.
You don’t need to wait start using your weapon.
Marianne
My question is who is it that forges or forms weapons against the children of God? Are they flesh and blood or are they supernatural spiirits of Angels? or the fallen ones?
I further pose the question regarding our “weapons of warfare are not carnal but mighty to the pulling down of stronghold”. We know God is our stronghold. We know that the angels who are fallen hate our God and his children the righteous. Please tell me if you belive the word of God in its fullness and do not think that the word is able to do as the Lord says then are we doubting the word?
Please tell me were fallen angels made to be of flesh and they have the abiltity to cloak themselves from our eye site? or Are God and all of the Angles as man of flesh but with an extra covering that makes them invisible to our eyes. God said to the Angles let us make man in our own image. But did man change and loose his special spiritual cloak based on the sin?
Every time I dream of future wickedness or see visions of the things coming. I see the spirits often cloaked in black robes. Maybe the black robes are to signifiy that they have not washed their robes in the blood of the lamb making them white, whcih signifies they are cleansed from all unrighteousness and sin as they are buried in the death of Jesus christ and they will be risen as he upon their death as the promise of the word.
When the enemy of God convinced Eve to eat from the tree of good and evil and God made Lucifer to crawl on the ground the rest of his life as a serpant, did that make him flesh?
Revelations 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shines in its strength.
(these 7 spirits are the 7 angels who are over the churches)
Isaiah 49:2 And he made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadows of his hand has he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; and in his quiver has he hid me.
Hebrew 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piecing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of joint and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper, and every tonuge that rise against you in judgement you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness of me, says the Lord.
Ezekiel 21:12-13-14-15 12) Cry and wail son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: strike therefore upon thy thigh. cry and 13) Because it is a trail, and what if the sword even despises the rod? it shall be no more, said the Lord God. 14) You therefore, son of man, prophesy, and strike your hands together, and let the sword strike twice, even the third time; it is the sword of the great men that are slain, which enters into the private chambers. 15) I have set the point of the sword against all of their gates that their heart may faint and that heart may faint, and their ruins be multiplied: ah! it is made bright, it is polished for the slaughter.
Oddly enough last night I found the hebrew word that God wrote to me a couple of week ago in a vision, while in meditation upon the Lord. The word was is “Naw-baw'” strongs H5012, Orig: a primitive, to prophesy, ie Speak (or sign) by inspiritation (in prediction discourse or simple–prophesy (-ing). make self a prophet. , or to prophesy under influence of devine spirit.
I was not certain why I was being given all of the dreams and visions I was receiving and what I should do with them? When one goes through something of unusal happening, to the point of questioning ones own sanity we have to know that it is not of this world. the enemy will make you think the world is against you, he will make you think that flesh is cursing you and so many other things. His purpose is to put and plant hatred in your heart. We can not hate anyone and enter into heaven.
My question was who was really attacking me dark spirits or was in
a spritual training camp of the LORD.
If the things happening to you are spritual in nature,then it is for purpose of God and his honor and glory and it is of his plans for your use and purpose to him, in his army.
You have to know that the enemy if he could would load up every mans mind with doubt and trouble and then he would afflict his body. However today you must know and read and study, of the handling of the sword more than any other generation as it will be to the saving of your body, soul, mind and spirit.
We this generation is in and at a time of the greatest spiritual warfare!!! It is not time to be fearful but to be totally committed to God. I don’t mean to a titled church organization but to a house of faith where the word is what the faith of the house is about, then you will encounter God in all of his fullness.
Where ever his spirit is,there he is in power and his word is seen in the healing of the body and the answering of the prayers. When the elders lay hands on people they recover, they recover because Gods presences is there.
Also laying on of hands does not have to be in the church. If you have faith you are a priest according to the word, making you an instrument of God. If you lack faith it is like having bomb that has no exploding power, you can’t take out anything. We are not here armless, we have weapons but the saints did not need them to the level that mans needs them today, in my opinon. If your households has faith doing the same thing, annointing and laying on of hands and using the sword, God will remove whatever the issue is and he will raise the dead even back to life.
f you doubt Gods word you are putting yourself in a dangerous place but if you trust and fully believe in his word and his promise. You will not only be saved he will use you mightily between now and the end of time.
I hope some of these scriptures will lead those who have a desire to understand to search further and those who have knowledge to share the way they overcome using the word of God and his twoedged sword. We are in a war. If you are not in the war, you are not in the army of Jesus Christ and that would make you a non believer.
Be blessed in the Lord
THANK YOU for these scriptures! This is what I was looking for. Will be looking up more. And I agree with what you wrote.
I do know with out a doubt that I have felt the presence of God. Will never forget it. HE showed me that HE was there. Even if I wasn’t looking for Him at that time.
And you are right. Doubt will give way to the adversary. That is his door in. However, The Father in Heaven is more powerful and loving… when we call on Him He is there. I thank Him!! Being by myself with 2 boys is scary just as it is. Feeling the negative presence while being alone is not okay on top of it. Jesus made the way possible for us to have the freedom away from and being protected from the evil. I claim it. Now, our Father in Heaven protects us. God is God. He is the “I AM”. Not the “maybe he can do it”. Going to go read and pray. Please pray for us (we all need it). *hugs*
WHile the sword seems to represent the word, it could also be a material made out of dark matter, which can cause physical harm.
the fallen angels may be able to forge swords out of this dark matter and use it to cause illness and physical harm to humans.
dark matter is not carnal, since it is not flesh….yet it is still matter.
the holy angels would use the Word for healing.
any angel or supernatural being can come in and out of this earthly dimension at will, since they can “convert” from spirit to flesh, in order to appear to mankind.
they come from the 2nd and 3rd dimensions of space.
the 2nd is here on earth, along with the 1st dimension (what we can see), as well as in the atmosphere above us.
the 3rd dimension is where the throne of God is….at least in my understanding…..or maybe it it in a higher dimension……paul mentioned the 3rd heaven, so that is why I say that.
I think supernatural beings do more than cloak, and uncloak…..there is a change in matter or polarity…… positive to negative , etc to be able to appear to man.
all physical matter is made of the same thing, so I do not think it matters whether beings appear as an animal or a human, or a plant, for that matter.
Am I correct in reading that your acquaintance at this website: http://abelarchangel.wordpress.com/ thinks he’s the savior of the world? He states, “Though I was born on this world, I am not human. I am an empath: a being of the Trinity”…it doesn’t make sense
dear Noreen
This is an open site, so different people come here, including those who have odd claims, or beliefs different from our own.
He seems to claim he is an angel, and not human. His expression “being of the trinity” is defined by him as having 3 nuclei in his cells, instead of one. This would not be a normal definition of trinity.
no, it does not make sense, but that is what he says.
I would not think that angels were born on earth, but created in heaven, but that is also his statement.
Maybe he means, as an “empath,” he was born on earth, but is connected spiritually to heaven through angels.
This is a true story and my testimony as to why I believe angels – both good and evil – possess swords. I don’t usually tell this story as the opportunity to do so does not come up but do so here since it is germane to this particular blog topic and my hope is that it will edify the brethren. This incident happened several years ago when my children were much younger – preteens to early teens perhaps. At the time a group of house churches of which we were a part wanted to gather together for a joint Sunday service. Since none of the member’s homes had enough room to accommodate this larger gathering, it was decided that we would rent the chapel of a local funeral home for the service. To my knowledge no churches had ever held a worship service in this funeral home but I could be wrong. My family and I were seated toward the front of the chapel and no one was seated in the last several pews in the back of the room. As I recall, as the service was about to commence my daughter turned to look at the back of the room – she then whispered something to my son who then turned his head around to look at the back of the room, They then asked me to look at the back of the room to see if I saw the persons seated in the back pew. I told them I could not see anyone as I only saw empty pews. They asked me why couldn’t I see the “people” sitting in the back pews. Since I could not see the “people” I asked them what they were seeing. My daughter and son told me that they saw people sitting in the back pew but they were transparent – like they could see right through them – and they also had horns on their heads. It briefly occurred to me that I might want to mention this to our pastor who was conducting the service but I don’t think he would have believed me, so I think I told my children to pray. After they began praying they described to me what they were seeing. They said that angels appeared and began fighting with these “persons” whom I assume were demons. Both sides were armed with swords. This fight lasted just a few minutes and my children had a hard time describing it – I don’t know why but they could not put it into words. The significant thing that I recall was that my son mentioned that one of the demons who was fighting with an angel was “cheating” in order to gain the upper hand. I asked him what he meant by cheating but he could not adequately describe it. Nonetheless the angels still prevailed at the end and the service went on as normal without anyone else having noticed anything. Looking back at this incident I know my children told the truth about what they saw. They have known Jesus since they were very young and have good character. It would have never occurred to me that the enemy cheats when he fights but in hindsight it now makes perfect sense and is consistent with who we know our enemy to be.
hi brother
If we were all more like your little children, we might be able to see, for ourselves, the demons that try to influence us each day, and the angels that fight for us.
Thank you so much for posting this. I have a similar story of when I was very little. I was at a family members house we were outside on the back porch at night and my mom and aunt where talking while the rest of us cousins were playing around. All of the sudden my aunt says look there’s an angel. All of us looked up. As I did I saw an airplane going by. I looked at my aunt and realized that was what she was pointing at and trying to pull one over us. When the air plane was almost gone I looked up again and swept the sky with my eyes and then I saw a real angel almost right above my head in the sky. At this point in time I was around 9 and didn’t think much of it. I looked at the angel a good 2 to three times and shrugged my shoulders and went on to what I was doing. Now that I am older I realized the gift I was given and I can still remember what the angel looked like. This angel was very long horizontal since the angel was flying with white Wings that were long as the angels body. The wings remind me of The show Micheal with John Travolta they where that big and moved exactly the way it was portrayed. The only other thing close that I can think of as in wing span and the way the feathers were layered and the way they flapped is the wings off of an eagle’s. I could not see the face very well but the angel had long dark hair. Then the rest of the angel wore a long robe down past the feat. The robe was a bright soft glow of gold or amber. Very beautiful then the angel had a belt with a sword sheathed on his side the sword was from his hip down to the bottom of the robe. I realized many years later in life that God let me see a messenger angel and he had to fight his way from the first heaven all the way to earth to answer a prayer. I am so grateful to God for showing me it has helped me through my walk with Jesus and God. I have only ever told my family what I saw when I was little. This would be the first time I really mentioned it publicly. So I hope that it helps someone else that needs it in the right time in life.
candy
wonderful story
WOW. That is an amazing testimony. Personally, I have never seen anything (thank God) and I don’t want to. But I have felt things. Not like someone pushing me kinda feel. But felt things. Knowing when something is NOT right and knowing when something is peace. No other words to describe it.
When we pray the Word of God, do you think that the angels “fight” with their swords according to what is spoken or given place to God’s power to do?
Same for my 35 years of being a christian. Never have (knowingly) seen a single good angel or bad angel, but I have had persons show up in unexpected places helping me out so much with gracious words that I was suspicious of them being good angels (but I was too caught up with joy to ask), and I have experienced exactly the opposite like an unknown devil of person out of nowhere sent to verbally curse at me for no reason like I was wearing a bullseye target on my chest. Have had a few perceptions of broadspread heaviness over a city. The worst I’ve ever felt were upon entering Athens(Greece)1989 and San Francisco1982. And I’ve had moments of abnormally strong confidence in the midst of a spiritual endeavor while traveling in risky situations, that I can only explain as either being swiftly escorted by good angels or walking under the 100% favor of God. And I have been awakened in just the nick of time to move out of harms way! Some if not all of these had angels playing a role, but only in heaven will books be open to read the whole rest of the story.
You asked; “angels ‘fight’ with…what is spoken or given place to God’s power to do” Great point Lisa! Do the good Angels not acknowledge and yield to the Holy Spirit indwelling the Saints? If we utter a confirming word of Scripture by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the Angel can take that living word from our lips to ignite his Sword into a Bright Flaming Sword which is very empowering for the Angel to accomplish his work. Since Jesus on the mount of Temptation fought with Satan (the prosecuting attorney) using the Eternal Word as weapons, then swords of the angels both good and bad may have more to do with ‘lawyer turf battles’ than the plunging of pointed objects into angelic flesh. There are ways of cheating for both words and physical combat, but the focal point of ‘legal spiritual rights’ is more of a common scriptural theme than physical brute strength.
An additional 2 cents….
If you ever spiritually hook up with a deep well of prayer like 1Sam19:20-24, then its almost like you can hear hollow clear thoughts of the saints (who they are in the Spirit, what their prayers are currently, whether collectively or individually, what Holy Spirit desires of them and thinks of them, usually good, sometimes what is obstructing them), or perhaps it the Holy Spirit’s moving among the saints – not sure what is going on exactly in this ‘deep well’, but there is almost a tangible type of “knowing” within reach. Should add for clarificaiton sake that these for me were only after withdrawing 100% away from TV, radio, and even most verbal interaction for some period of time and then I still had to wait on the Lord to bring me in. I could not force it, but once hooked in, I could ask anything I liked and be given an immediate answer. Its definately not a 15 minute thing.
Here is true story, Ive got tears running down my cheeks now just writing about it now.
It happened right here within 6 feet of where I am sitting. It was about 2 years ago. It was late, and I had gone up to bed, and was fast asleep. My Son had a buddy over. They were both probably 18 or 19 at the time. Both Us and out neighbors had been having strange occurances, voices carrying on conversations at night next door, and even worse. My Son was pushed on the stairs. We felt presences at times and my pitbull could sence things as well, and often gave early alert when they were here.
My Son went up to bed, and His friend set up the sleeping bag we had for him in the family room 7′ to my left. My sons friend Mike, had just recently accepted Christ as his personal Savior and was praying before he went to sleep. He heard someone speak from around the corner (right behind where Im sitting). He assumed it was my Son goofing around. He heard “Watch the baby!”
My Son never came around the corner, so Mike got up and stuck his head in here(The living room). There was a man standing there only feet away,looking at him. The mans skin was glowing. He faded and disappeared. Mike was absolutely scared out of his wits!
Mike is a big strong quiet boy and not a wimp, as he was a good fighter when need called for it. Mike ran up the stairs, He couldnt speak. He was hyperventilating, and very pale, shaking uncoltrolled. He slept upstairs. And in the morning, His Mom picked Him and My Son up. If I remember correctly, My Son didnt come home for about 2 weeks. He stayed at Mikes house 20 miles away.
I got to stay here with only the dog and useless guns to protect me. I had My dog sleep on the bed with Me.
The neighbors moved out shortly, to a bad section of town to get away from here. They never saw a person like Mike did, and neither did I , but We felt watched at times and everyone could feel it.
You all would feel it if You were here then.
We discussed it about a month ago and it still freaks everyone out. Ghost hunter Guys from the steel mill I work at wanted to come in here with equipment and check it out, but I declined. They gave Me a meter to keep by My bed for a couple weeks. They said dont hold the button down too long or it will encourage them. Oh thanks! LOL.
What ever they are dont come around as much now, as I do draw My sword and quote Scripture, and shout commands in Jesus name to get them out ,at the drop of a hat.
Mike never mentioned it having a Sword, or anything in its hands, only that it looked just like us, but with glowing skin. I’ll ask Him, next time I see Him.
I ask that You remember Me in prayer tonight, as now Im all freaked out after discussing it, and thats when they sometimes come, When they sence fear.
Praying… With God, there is no reason to fear. Who is more powerful? God by far. May His presence be with you every night Phil. Please pray for us too. God bless you
dear Phil
Lisa is right. There is no reason to fear, irregardless if the presence was a demon or an angel of God. If you belong to the Lord, then you have more power than anything that can walk in your room. Just use the Word, and accept the peace of the holy spirit….ask the lord to send his angels to protect you, and you will be ok. they will guard you while you sleep. Also, demons hate praise, and angels love it. So listen to praise music before bed.
OK Phil, I pray for you.
Heavenly Father, you said in Psalm 127:2 you give your beloved sleep. I ask you to put your perfect peace upon Phil right now as he sleeps. I ask you to give him dreams of yourself and your protection over him. I ask you to strengthen the guardian angels that encamp around him. I ask to Father to wash away rememberance of the sins of the past of his dwelling place with the blood of Jesus, that new Holy Habitations of Righteous Angels become the inheritance to Phil’s home. I ask you to create a new memorial in that home over Phil, dedicated to you alone heavenly Father by reason of Phil’s verbal testimony of faith in Jesus and Phil’s reliance on your eternal word. I ask you to bring a new radiant joy to Phil, his son and his friend Mike. Let your eyes Father God gaze HEAVILY upon these three men whenever their foot shall tread and cause your mighty angels to walk with each of them wherever they go, all the remaining days of their lives. And bring showers of healing upon each of them regarding this event of the past, from this day forward. And bless Phil’s dog too. In Lord Jesus’ Eternally Righteous name. Amen.
OK Phil, now you gonna be watched all the time by good angels. Even if you get scared, good angels gonna be all around you! In front of you, behind your back. Upstairs, downstairs, bathroom, kitchen, living room, out in the street, in your back yard, on top your roof.
And since good angels are gonna be more obligated to stay there with you for some time now, you might want to make their stay more pleasant by reading scripture or praying more. It makes them feel like their stay is more valid by staying with you rather than doing their good deeds elsewhere. Fair enough?
WOW! Thank You.
It worked! I felt Good presence all night. I think something came in briefly, and They chased it off. Thank You so much!
Yes, Its Most Fair and agreed.
Phil
Amen!!
Phil I have prayed for you using the scripture of Isaiah 54:17, ” No weapon tath is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise agaisnt thee in judgement thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and theier righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.”
When the enemy comes against you, call upon the Lord in the name of Jesus Christ. He who cries out in his name for deliverance shall be saved.
Too ensure that the enmy is dismissed from you use the word of the spirit above and remember God did not give us a spirit of fear.
No matter what the enemy is doing in these last days remember that God is still on the thrown. He and He alone is the one to trust, remember God, the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost are all one. The name of Jesus Christ has all power, nothing can over come him. The word says he who calls upon his name shall be deliverd.
It just makes sense that it would be as you and the children saw, as God made us in his image. We are in the army of the Lord and when he says we
have a sword we have a sword and that sword if used by an angel once the words are said I do not know, it could be that the sword is active as we speak by voice recognition of his his name.
God permitted you to see what you saw to report it and maybe even to
use it in ministry later on.
Be blessed and know that God loves you,
Marianne
Please explain to me where the information regarding the black matter came from. Is this something you read in the Bible or did I miss something?
the dark matter information came from another website.
I suppose God manifested Himself and His presence/ authority to people in visions/ descriptions the context of their time in history and their understanding at any given time in history.
When the Bible was written, objects that signified warfare/ authority/ force/ deliverance/ protection would obviously be swords.
Similarly the same could be said of Jesus parables to his audience – fisherfolk, farmers, etc.
If it was written in the 21st century, perhaps pictures of guns, planes and tractors could be used.
Thanks for Your Prayers and Suggestions. They worked.
I found this about Jesus using His Sword. I loved it and thought You might too!
Phil
We are to use the very same sword of the spirit that Jesus used on the Mount of Temptation! Now, the devil has been tempting, Jesus for forty days while Jesus was fasting.
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. (i.e., “Do what I say do!”)
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God, [Deu 8:3]. (i.e., I do what GOD says to do, not you devil!”) The sword was so sharp that I don’t think the devil felt the cut.
Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Luke 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Again Jesus slices the devil!
Now, the Devil has already been sliced left and then right with the sword of the Spirit cutting a big “X” on his chest which he now feels then sees. So now Satan pulls his own sword and tries to copy and twist what Jesus is doing!
Luke 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
Luke 4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
Luke 4:11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus deflects the attack and plunges His sword of the Spirit deep into the Devil’s heart of hearts, leaving him seriously wounded.
Luke 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is written, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
After this the Devil retreated to lick his wounds for a while.
So then, to properly wield the sword, you must be knowledgeable of what the Bible says (particularly the promises and statements of fact) and receive that word into your heart. Keep receiving to the point that your heart begins to overflow out of your mouth, in the power of the Holy Spirit and authority of the Name of Jesus. So when the devil comes and gets close enough to attack your mind, pull the sword and perforate his stony heart.
Imagine name of God YHWH in hebrew written vertically and you get the picture of Sword of Angel…
which end of the name is “up?”
Is the “Yod” the head ?
maybe you are right…the yod is a small letter and would make a good point on a sword.
waiting fro gavriel to respond. he is the expert on hebrew
I have a few pictures here. It looks like a “person” when written top to bottom with Yod at the top. I suppose the Sword of The Spirit could be seen in this way. I am no expert at all, but learning what the letters meant amazed me. ❤
“Yod” is the tip, yes.
Combined YHWH and ADoNaY would make two edged sword (Y-A-H-D-W-N-H-Y)…
gavriel
answer my email!
marianne
i forgot password of this one and don’t have any current e-mail in use, is it something important?
Gavriel – can you translate this from the original language? In the Tenach, it reads differently in the English translation I have and starts at verse 19, not 14.
Is there some tradition where if you clap or strike your hands together, you can drive away enemies?
See below:
Eze 21:14 ¶ Thou therefore, son of man, prophesy, and smite [thine] hands together, and let the sword be doubled the third time, the sword of the slain: it [is] the sword of the great [men that are] slain, which entereth into their privy chambers.
Eze 21:15 I have set the point of the sword against all their gates, that [their] heart may faint, and [their] ruins be multiplied: ah! [it is] made bright, [it is] wrapped up for the slaughter.
Eze 21:16 Go thee one way or other, [either] on the right hand, [or] on the left, whithersoever thy face [is] set.
Eze 21:17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the LORD have said [it].
thank you
marianne
יהוה
Here it is. I have a hebrew keyboard installed on my computer settings.
The right hand side is the Yod, beginning of the word.
Flip it any way you like, just like we do when doing Bible Code research.
Not sure if you want the Dalet of Adonai in there.
We are using the ‘vowels’ of Adonai to fill in the gaps of YHWH, which more correctly is YHVH (since there is no W equiv. in Hebrew)
Since in Hebrew, vowels are assumed into every letter, they do not appear as written letters, which is all how the whole story of the Nikud dot vowel system started about a thousand years ago.
Thus even Yahovah is still literally spelled
יהוה
when not using Nikud. By the way, an attempt to use Nikud dots on this blog very likely would not be visable, so I won’t try.
Also in case you are wondering,
Lord = Adon אדון -or- Adonai אדוני
One might appropriately ask: If Adonai cannot have vowels either, then why are we attempting to merge Adonai with YHVH? It is because phonetic pronounciation of most all Hebrew words was memorized, with the careful exclusion of YHVH, therefore we are borrowing from a similar word used in Hebrew Scripture with which everyone is familiar, so that when it becomes coverted to English there is something more than a smashing together of four consents with missing vowels. We DO NOT actual know for sure that the vowels of Adonai are the correct vowels when pronouncing YHVH (but some of the Levite tribe living today probably know the correct vowel Nikud for YHVH), our use of Adonai surrogate vowels is just a nominal guess for Western English users. Many Hebrew fluent American Messianic churches broadly substitute the word Adonai in their prayers, references, and worship services, to cut through all the red tape of potentially offending either people or God himself.
Sorry. Besides a couple of typo errors, I just learned Marianne’s blog can indeed have Nikud vowel dots on Hebrew text.
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Staying on the subject of Swords, the Hebrew spelling and pronunciation of Jesus is worth repeating here because The Name of the Son of God is the name about all names Php2:9,10 that all demonic principalities MUST bow down to. Matthew 1:21 tells by Strong’s that Jesus was named after Joshua who was the man who led Israel into the promise land as well as the great high priest spoken of in Zechariah 3, same exact Hebrew spelling for both.
Php 2:9,10 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: v10 That at the name of Jesus (Yeh-Hoh-Shoo’-Ah) every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Zec 3:1-5 And he shewed me Joshua (Yeh-Hoh-Shoo’-Ah) the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. v2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? v3 Now Joshua (Yeh-Hoh-Shoo’-Ah) was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. v4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. v5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by.
Yeh-Hoh-Shoo’-Ah is the mighty name every demon is severely familiar with.
Of course, demons certainly do know who you are talking about when you say the name Jesus, but calling out the name Yeh-Hoh-Shoo’-Ah immediately GRABS HOLD of their attention.
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יְהוֹשֻׁעַ
Proper pronunciation: Yeh-Hoh-Shoo’-Ah,
(Joshua is a poor English translation, poor because there is no “J” sounding letter in Hebrew)
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The name Yeh-Shoo’-Ah is also used by many as an abbreviated form of Jesus, but Zechariah 3 uses the longer spelled out version.
יְשֻׁעַ
Proper pronunciation: Yeh-Shoo’-Ah
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45squared,
YHWH represents merciful aspect, while name ADNY (from D-i-N – law) represents aspect of justice, combining the two represents harmony between two aspects, that’s what is meant by two edged sword of God…
I’m looking at it and I dont see it yet. But that is a good way to think about it. Thanks 🙂
all swords are lightning
More regarding Yeshua and Yĕhowshuwa` can be found here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_(name)
Awesome awesome study! THANK YOU!!! I will look more into this and ask questions once my children get to sleep. Again, thanks to all 🙂
In this study I am now wondering “Is the sword used by Peter to cut off the ear”, the same sword of the spirit and the word or is it a physical sword?
Marianne you say the black material is from another site but with this it applies nothing as to the meaning or where this develops from. If is is real and of issue should it not be mentioned in the word, is this logos or rhema and do you know the owner of the site where this black material information came from?
dear pattie
I think the point was that since angels are supposed made of dark matter, that their swords would have been made of the same material.
Fallen angels would only have this to use, but holy angels would be able to use the name of the Lord, and thus have a more powerful weapon.
I believe that was a metal sword Peter used. It would have been better had He used the Spiritual Sword in that instance, as the person He cut the ear off of was healed By Jesus. If I remember correctly, was He a servent, and just doing what He was told. He was not a principality. We use the Spiritual Sword for the spirit world, although it does have an indirect effect in the material world. Thats My opinion anyway.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
Could you imagine being that soldier that the Lord healed after having his ear cut off? That right there would have been testimony to pull many out of darkness. Absolutely amazing!!
Honestly, I fully believe that the sword of the spirit has a very direct effect on what we perceive as the physical physical world and is meant to (as His power effects EVERYTHING that He has created). But yet again, I don’t see any difference between the spiritual world and ours, aside from what we are in right now being temporary and only half of the whole. And that most people can’t readily see with their physical eyes the spiritual world. (Have to say that I am not ready to see that part yet. The feelings are exciting enough!)
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.”
I wrestle every day with this it seems. Some people say that God must have something interesting planned for me for as much as I am “attacked”. I don’t believe that. No different than anyone else. But am so glad that He is always with me!
The theory of us being a “hologram” of the truth. That is something that would explain in better terms what I am saying. Not so sure if it is exactly what I mean… Add to it, “Words meant from the heart are power”. And I personally mean physical power. Jesus proved it along with the others that followed Him. The brain is an amazing thing. And I still think that the Sword is very physical. Even speaking His Name is physical. What matter is it made of? I wonder if it is of only one form of matter…. Couldn’t it be what ever God wanted the Sword to be at any given time? Or is it the intent of the heart when words are spoken? Maybe it is something along those lines….
There goes my mind…. Help!
I have no trouble believing and knowing the sword of scripture is the real sword either Lisa since the original text is in majority of instances in OT and NT a literal real sword as much as literal war. The nations are Gods’ sword the scripture says and that includes all the terrible war weapons used to stop HItler. The sword that stood between Eden and held by an angel was no different than any other sword the angels have had to and do use. We see through a glass darkly but then we shall see face to face and I know that when the VEIL is lifted we shall see them as clearly as we see here on earth. and they won’t be shadows. They are not shadows for I have seen in prayer, visions and dreams of some of these demons warring on my children and their friends and they were as real as we are in ther hatred of us and their desire to destroy us. The deliverence after long ages of prayer and fasting for our children and their friends was just as real as the dreams and visions showed. The screaming and yelling I shall never forget. And we prayed and saw these demons withdraw. We indeed do fight against principalities and powers on high and I thank God we do not have to be exposed to always seeing satan and his cohorts but swords, and foul weapons they bear with hatred inflicting on humanity because they shall never see the hope we have, and though we may only feel the suffering and loss on our side, their swords are as real as mens. The nations are Gods Sword in reality here and the angels that fight on behalf of His children use greater ones than we do Lisa, though none is greater than the Word of God. . I think you are quite right, that we do speak His Word, goodness into being which is why we can`t help but pray and cry out and why He answers though we do not see the angels fighting on His behalf and ours as Daniel was told why his answer did not come because of the King of Persia fighting to stop it. I do not doubt that king of Persia was one of Satans cohorts fighting then against Michael or was it Gabriell
I can reveal that the Arc Angel Michael and Jesus is the same person.
“The Ortodox churh from the mediterean sea knows little more then others.”
//IBM
Interesting theory. How so? Is “Michael” the same as “The Angel of The LORD”?
We are not told in the bible the name of Jesus before he came to earth.
Apparently Jesus ( Yehoshua) was his earthly name, which has been still used in his “absence.” It says in Daniel that the mighty prince of Israel will stand up for her in the time of Jacob’s trouble. In the NT, jesus does this, but maybe he has some help from michael.
Or maybe they are the same? Many beings from heaven were called angels when they came to earth, just because they were supernatural. the lord was called one of 3 men when he visited Abraham, and then 2 of his companions were called angels when they left for sodom.
Is there more to back up this theory that Jesus is Michael.? I do not know, but it would be an interesting discussion. It would not take away that jesus is the son of God, and has all the power due to him. I would tend to think that jesus is “greater” than Michael.
It would be an interesting discussion. however something in me tells me that this is not the case. Again… I dont know much about much… so I could be wrong.
Clarification:
It was very common for Hebrew children’s names to be comprised of the name of God as “EL” hyphenated with some other word root. In the case of Michael, it is “Who-EL” -or- “who is like god.” Thus created beings whether angelic or human often take on the name of their creator (like a wife takes on the last name of her husband). Examples include: Daniel, Michael, Ezekiel, etc.
But the very substance of a created creature (not merely the power rank or position) is catagorically different than the substance of the uncreated God who himself was never created by anyone or anything.
Jesus (Yehoshua) IS God himself. Jesus is not merely equal in rank with God, He is God. Please don’t ask me about the Trinity, because I can’t explain it any better than that I personally have a body, soul, and spirit all three being one single me. Debate with human reasoning always falls short of describing the mystery of how Jesus and the Father are one in the same, yet different.
The point is that the differences between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are tiny. And then there is a HUGE GAP DIFFERENCE down into the realm of created beings such as angels and humans. And once down there, then there again (like the creator himself) is a only a tiny difference between the body, soul, and spirit of myself.
Another facinating mystery is how we puny humans have potetial to be married into the very uncreated God himself, to sit on his throne with him, highly exalted FAR ABOVE all angels. Because good angels understand this, they with wisdom do their very best to protect the saints, for ultimately the saints will be promoted unto far superior nobility rank than the angels. Good angels also are motivated by their own personal love of God, His works, and His plan.
Are Michael and Jesus, one and the same?
Michael is described as: “one of the foremost princes” in Dan 10:13.
We know Jesus to be above all creation, and therefore unique.
Michael, being one of a kind, therefore, cannot be Jesus.
Hope that is sufficient enough for any Jehovah’s Witness to promote Jesus to his rightful place in the heavenly rank!
can you provide some references as to why they think that?
yes Michael + Jesus!!!!!:)
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In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh and tented among us.
Flash-Flash! How do You like My Sword?
I Love that verse. I like to let it fly, around my Hunter-Fishermen buddies at the steel mill from time to time.
I start off with “did You know God went on a camping trip? And on that camping trip, He went fishing and Hunting. He went fishing for Men, and hunted for those who would accept a free gift, and assist in spreading the wonderful news that that gift was available to all, free of charge,to be claimed, and to be in effect for all of eternity.
What a wonderful God!
I like your Sword very much!
Had a friend years ago that would pull out his pocket knife (a pocket sized bible) when witnessing to others…
My humble opinion: I look forward to meeting Michael some day, and giving Him a big hug, and thanking him standing firm, Obeying God, Serving God, and not being apart of the rebellion orchastrated by Lucifer. I will not bow or kneel before Him, because IMHO, He would be embarrased, and direct Me towards YESHUA, as the only one worthy of worship.
I do not meant to hurt anyones feelings with My opinion. I just felt it belonged here now. I feel the same about Mary, Paul, Peter, Matthew, King David ,Gabriel, Pricilla and Aquilla, and so many others. What a Jubilee We have in store for Us!
Phil
Amen Jubilee !!!!!!
Bring it on !
IBM
From where are you able to reveal that the Arc Angel Michael is Jesus Christ? I can not find anywhere in the Bible that would make me believe
that Michael the archangel is Jesus Christ.
This is what I find in the bible please read it and let me know if you can see what I am talking about.
Jesus Christ is Father, Son and Holy ghost all three being one and that one being God.
Michael said to satan when he was taking Moses home to his rest.
The scripture in Jude 1:9 says Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, the Lord Rebuke thee.
the Lord God rebuke you! Daniel 10;12-13 makes it very clear that Michael is in high rank with the Angels. “Michael is a chief Prince, not the King. Our King is Jesus Christ, he is king of kings and Lord of Lords. ”
I would further say to you praying to dead family members is as useless as throwing gasoline on a fire. The dead are dead and void is in between.
If anyone answers these prayers it is satans crew. We are to pray to God our Father who art in Heaven. We are not to worship iconography either.
it does not matter if it is idol statues or picutres drawn up to look like someones imagination as to what they think God or any other person looks like. There is but one god.
Michael is the high priest in Heavenly Temple acc. to Jewish tradition:
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. (Re. 8:3)
High Priests are also annointed to head the war:
Phinehas the High Priest anointed for war was instructed to give teurah [shorter blasts] on the silver trumpets.
Joshua 6:4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of … the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets …
Marianne
Is there anything in the bible that tells us that the fallen angels are dark matter? I believe because of the things I have seen in visions and so
forth that it would make sense but does the bible confirm this in any scriptures. Where is the site where you read this?
I think it makes sense as the word says even satan appears as a bright light.
Which to me is an indication that the enemy is black.
So would I be right in saying that there are some here who recongnize that we are at full out war with the enemy right now?
Can anyone tell me what they think that means to be a war with enemy?
pattie: Thank God I have never seen anything. I am not mentally prepared for such. However I am curious as to what your visions are?
I would think that the war is very real and happening quite violently. I can feel it at times and it is NOT pleasant. However, the peace that I feel when I KNOW that God is there and has won over the darkness or evil…. a sigh of relief! So interesting how they HAVE to obey God, even though they don’t want to. And they HAVE to obey the words spoken from us out of faith (trust in HiM) according to His Word. Whew!
I truly believe that the war is the enemy trying to cut off the connection between God and us in any way they know how.
Once we are “saved” we are connected to Him on a more intimate level. The connection becoming more real to us increasing our trust in Him by that connection.
The adversary believes that he can do it better. At least that is the idea I get while reading. Now, WHY… that is beyond me. Why bite the hand that feeds you??
Yeshua our Lord and Savior is not the archangel Michael.
There is not one verse of scripture that would imply or suggest that Michael is God, whereas there are numerous verses which verify the deity of Yeshua.
Enoch, (confirmed in the word as being a prophet in Jude 1:14, and being translated through faith in Hebrews 11:5.) expresses an irrefutable distinction between to two in his writings.
There are several groups that deny the deity of Yeshua. Four of the most common are: Jehovah’s Witnesses, The Way International, Christadelphians and Unitarians. The most common arguments, or objections to Yeshua’s deity that are used by these groups, I have cited below.
OBJECTION #1.
John. 14:28 reads, “… my Father is greater than I.” If Jesus is equal to the Father, as the Trinity definition states, then why did Jesus say His Father was “greater” than He?
ANSWER:
Yeshua spoke these words after He humbled Himself and became a servant (Philippians 2:5-8.). Furthermore, the word “greater” refers to OFFICE or POSITION and not NATURE! God is God because of His “NATURE” (Galatians 4:8).
Yeshua is saying in John 14:28 that His Father has a “greater” OFFICE or POSITION than He does. This is how the word “greater” is used as clearly seen in Genesis 41:40. That verse reads, “You [Joseph] shall be in charge of my palace, and all my people are to submit to your orders. Only with respect to the throne will I [Pharaoh] be GREATER than you,” (NIV). Pharaoh was “greater” than Joseph only by OFFICE or POSITION, but not in NATURE. The nature of Pharaoh and Joseph was the same, that is, that they were both human beings.
OBJECTION #2.
1 Corinthians 11:3. reads, “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” If Christ has a “head,” then He can’t be God.
ANSWER:
Does this show Yeshua as being inferior to the Father by NATURE? If one will insist that it does, then to be consistent, he would have to say the same regarding the woman to the man! Though a wife is subject to her husband in the Lord, she is NOT inferior to him by Nature. The same is true with the relationship between the Lord Yeshua and the Father.
OBJECTION #3.
1 Cor. 15:28 says, “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” If Jesus is “subject” to the Father, He can’t be God.
ANSWER:
Again, this objection is similar to objections #1 and #2. However this verse does not refer to NATURE either, but only to OFFICE or POSITION! In Luke 2:51, the same Greek word that was translated as “subject”, (“ὑποτάσσω” transliterated as “hypotassō”, Strong’s 5293.) is found. I do not believe that any one would say, that Yeshua was inferior by NATURE to Joseph and Mary? Which would be the natural conclusion if the word “subject” refers to NATURE! Likewise then, Yeshua is NOT inferior BY NATURE to the Father, since He is God. See John. 1:1., and 20:28. Philippians 2:6., Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1 and 1 John. 5:20.
OBJECTION #4.
Mark. 13:32 declares, “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” If Jesus was God, then He would have had this knowledge.
ANSWER:
Though I personally believe that Yeshua was referring to Yom Teru’ah, or the Feast of Trumpets in making that statement, we must again bear in mind, that Yeshua was truly man as well as truly God. There is the possibility that the Lord Yeshua spoke these words when He was limited by His humanity and was relying upon the Father entirely (Acts 10:38; John 12:49). After His resurrection however, Yeshua would have to be all-knowing, since scripture states that He can be prayed to (John. 14:14., Acts 7:59., 9:14-21; 1 Corinthians 1:2.). In other words, if a group of Christians are praying to Yeshua in Canada, Mexico and Japan at the same time, He would have to be all-knowing to hear their prayers. As well, since prayer is a form of worship, it would be idolatry to pray to Yeshua unless He was and is God by NATURE. (If He wasn’t God by NATURE, then the early Church was guilty of idolatry by praying to Yeshua.)
OBJECTION #5.
Jesus is shown in the Scriptures as being created in Revelation 3:14., Colossians 1:15., Proverbs 8:22. and Psalms 2:7. If He was created, He can’t be God, since God is eternal.
ANSWER:
(A) Revelation 3:14. states that Yeshua is “the beginning of the creation of God.” The word translated into the English “beginning” is the Greek, “ἀρχή” transliterated as “archē”, (Strong’s 746). Its definition implies ORIGIN besides BEGINNING. Since ORIGIN and SOURCE are synonymous, we can now understand why this verse reads in the N. A. B. “the SOURCE of God’s creation.” This verse doesn’t show that Yeshua was created, but that He is the Creator! After all, since Yeshua created EVERYTHING that was created (Colossians 1:16.), how could He possibly be part of His own creation?
(B) Colossians 1:15. states that Yeshua is “the firstborn of every creature.” Please note that it does NOT say “first-created”! This word, “firstborn,” has more than one possible meaning. If one would read Genesis 41:51,52; 48:17-19. and Jeremiah 31:9. they would see that it can also mean PREEMINENT. This is the context as to how it is to be understood in Colossians 1:15. as the context reveals from verses 15 through 18. that Yeshua is PREEMINENT over creation because: (1) He created everything that was created, (2) ALL created things were created for Him, (3) He existed before ALL created things and (4) ALL created things are held together because of Him.
(C) Within Proverbs 8:22. it states that Wisdom was brought forth in the beginning. Since Jesus is called the “Wisdom of God” in 1 Corinthians 1:24., according to the argument, Yeshua was then created.
What one must decide is this: Is this WISDOM that is mentioned in Proverbs 8:22. referring to Yeshua before he was born on the Earth? Because according to John 1:1-14., Yeshua was called the “Word” before He came to the earth, NOT Wisdom (or even “Michael” as some groups teach)!
Secondly, the chapter reveals Wisdom in verse 19, as the PROPER USE OF KNOWLEDGE as shown by Job 28:15. Therefore, the Wisdom of Proverbs 8 is personified and not really a person at all!
Finally, since Yeshua is the WISDOM OF GOD and the POWER OF GOD (1 Corinthians 1:24), for one to say that Yeshua was created is to say that there was a point in time in the distant past, when God existed WITHOUT Wisdom and Power, which is ludicrous!
(D) Regarding Psalms 2:7. In John. 3:16. it states that Yeshua was “begotten.” Does this mean that He had a beginning as we did, since we were begotten by our fathers, and mothers and at that point we then had our beginning? The answer to Psalms 2:7. is found in Acts 13:30-33. There we learn that this verse from Psalms refers to the resurrection of Yeshua! Secondly, the word translated “only begotten”, (“μονογενής” transliterated “monogenēs” Strong’s 3439) in John 3:16-18. and 1 John 4:9. in regards to Yeshua, is also used in Hebrews 11:17. in regards to Isaac. Was Isaac the FIRST child of Abraham? No! (See Genesis 16:15,16.) Was Isaac the ONLY child of Abraham? No! (See Genesis 16:15,16; 25:1,2.) Was Isaac the UNIQUE ONE-OF-A-KIND son of Abraham? Yes! This is how this same Greek word is used in reference to Yeshua HaMashiach. Jesus Christ is the UNIQUE ONE-OF-A-KIND Son to the Father, but NOT created. Micah 5:2 refers to Yeshua the SAME WAY Psalm. 93:2 refers to God. Yeshua is “from everlasting” and therefore can’t be part of creation. Since He isn’t a part of creation, then He must be God, since only God is eternal from the beginning!
OBJECTION #6. In the Bible, Jesus is NEVER called “God the Son,” but instead “the Son of God.” Therefore, He can’t be God.
ANSWER:
This argument has a trace of truth in it for the words, “God the Son,” are NOT found in the Bible. However, when an “open minded” student of Scripture examines all the verses relevant to the deity of Yeshua, they will conclude that Yeshua is both God and man. How can this be? It’s possible just the same way that Yeshua can be both guiding Shepherd and sacrificial Lamb, as well as the High Priest and sin offering at the same time!
OBJECTION #7. If Jesus is God, who was He praying to in the Garden, Himself?
ANSWER: This answer may ruffle some feathers.
I believe that the question itself stems from a misconception about how some Christians believe Yeshua is God. I believe that Yeshua is God BY NATURE. However I do NOT believe Yeshua is the person of the Father. He can NOT be the Father, since He prayed to the Father in John. 17. He certainly wasn’t praying to Himself. I believe that the Bible teaches that Yeshua is God by NATURE, as is the Father and the Holy Spirit. There is only one true God by NATURE. (See Galatians 4:8.) The Trinity is NOT defined as three Gods in one, but instead three Persons in one God. God is the NATURE of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
OBJECTION #8. If Jesus is God, then who ran the universe while He was dead for three days?
ANSWER:
Again, this objection is not difficult to answer when one understands that Yeshua is NOT the person of the Father. The Father and the Son are two separate and distinct personalities.
OBJECTION #9. Jesus can’t be God, since God can’t die!
ANSWER:
Remember, Yeshua isn’t only God by nature, but also man! Yeshua being man when He was here, could die as any other human being could. He became man, gave His life freely for our sins, all while maintaining His deity as being God by NATURE.
OBJECTION #10. Jesus can’t be God, because He said that the Father was His God in John 20:17.
ANSWER:
Yeshua made this statement while being a man. This however, does not change the clear scriptural evidence that shows that Yeshua is God! The Apostle Thomas called Yeshua, “My Lord and my God,” in John 20:28. The Greek text literally says, “The Lord of me and the God of me.” Remember as well that Thomas was a very strict Monotheistic Jew. Was the Apostle Thomas “in the truth?” Obviously he was. Was the Apostle Thomas part of the early church? Obviously he was. Therefore, the early church believed that Yeshua was/is God. If you claim to believe and teach like the early church, then shouldn’t you proclaim the same? Are you in the same “light” that the Apostles were in? Furthermore, the Father identifies Yeshua as “God” in Hebrews 1:8. Again, the Greek says, “the God.” (“θεός” transliterated “theos” Strong’s 2316).
Certainly the Father knows the true identity of the Son. Also, Hebrews 1:6. declares that “ALL the angels worship Him [Yeshua].” Who do the angels worship, according to Revelation 19:10.? According to Hebrews 1:6., the angel of Revelation 19:10 WORSHIPS Yeshua! In fact, Yeshua’s disciples WORSHIPED Him too (Matthew 28:9.). Why do you think Yeshua received this WORSHIP from both angels and His disciples? It would be a sin and idolatry for either to worship Yeshua, unless He was indeed God!
Just another too long of a post regarding my thoughts.
Be Blessed
“OBJECTION #8. If Jesus is God, then who ran the universe while He was dead for three days?”
Someone said that God is beyond space and time…
God is in heaven, on earth and in every part of the universe simultaneously even hell (Pslams 139)
marianne,
you asked:
Gavriel – can you translate this from the original language? In the Tenach, it reads differently in the English translation I have and starts at verse 19, not 14.
Is there some tradition where if you clap or strike your hands together, you can drive away enemies?
See below:
Eze 21:14 ¶ Thou therefore, son of man, prophesy, and smite [thine] hands together, and let the sword be doubled the third time, the sword of the slain: it [is] the sword of the great [men that are] slain, which entereth into their privy chambers.
answer:
it doesn’t say “clap” it says “strike”.
proper translation is “smite your hands one upon the other” (Hakh Kaf El Kaf) in ancient times (as in this case) it was sign of lamentation/mourning, because it speaks about destruction of Jerusalem and killing of the fleeing Jewish generals in Egypt;
clapping hands (to applaude) is “Tkiat Kaf” as in proverbs 17:18 “Tokea Kaf” – one who claps his hands…
btw, such tradtion of lament/mourning still remains in certain communities,
so if I strike my hands, can I drive away enemies with a spiritual sword?
how you came to such conclusion?
God says to Ezekiel to lament Nebuchadnezzar’s destruction of Jerusalem (it speaks of enemies’ sword)…
Further God says (ch. 22):
I, too, shall smite My hands one upon the other, and I shall put My fury to rest; I, the Lord, have spoken.
God says that He too (along with Ezekiel) will lament by smiting hands because of destruction of Jerusalem (because it was inevitable, and there is no option of “doing something about it”, only to “smite hands” in order to “put fury to rest”…)
well, if I strike my hands together, in the same way the Lord does, in agreement with him, the enemy will be defeated.
marianne,
i really do not know answer to that question,
if i’d say I do I might misguide you,
in Ezekiel it is a sign of lament, in proverbs it is a sign of foolishness, so i don’t know….
ok thank you
Gavriel
Let me see If I understand your response to Marianne, are you
saying smite the sword means to clap the hands together, as if
to say it is done or it is finished? Also do you agree with the spiritual
sword of the word being for the purposes of the righteous?
Please forgive me if I seem to be asking a question that should
seem I have the anser.
be blessed Pattie
pattiefarm,
i don’t say anything, i only try to find correct translation of Ezekiel where it says “to smite” (not clap) one hand upon another (from up to down) where it is a sign of lament/mourning; What is a lament? Lament is a situation where you already are NOT able to do anything regarding the tragedy, as in case of defeat of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar;
“clapping hands” in normal sense (like to applaud) is a sign of stupidity acc. to proverbs 17:18…
Get you with your pompous professtation.
Jesus said, “For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.” (Jn 8:24. LITV)
3 For I should not have known love the Lord, if not loved me. 4 For who is able to distinguish love except the one that is loved? 5. I love the beloved and my soul loves Him: 6 And where His rest is, there also am I; 7 And I shall be no strangers for with the Lord Most High and Merciful there is no grudging. 8 I have been united to Him, for the Lover has found the Beloved, 9 And because I shall love Him that is the Son, I shall become a son;. 10 For he that is joined to Him that is immortal, will also himself become immortal; 11 And he who has pleasure in the Living One, will become living. 12 This is the Spirit of the Lord, which doth not lie, which teacheth the sons of men to know His ways. 13 Be wise and understanding and vigilant. Hallelujah. (Odes of King Solomon 3:3-13;)
Hmm… Physical here is similar to a “hologram” possibly…. When Jesus was born into the earth, His physical body was a “hologram” of the real… or spiritual reality (as we are, correct?). The physical body that dies is what was defeated. Wouldn’t Jesus have to be submissive in order for His body to die? That death and then some he still conquered. Jesus took control over it and was glorified thus glorifying The Father. (still seems to me that they are One) His sacrifice for ALL is what beat the snot out of evil. I will so THANK HIM.
So, WHY is it impossible that Jesus couldn’t be One With God the Father? He has always been with Him and is The Word. Aren’t all things possible with God? Or are we still so stuck on limiting the Power of The Almighty? WE are NOT God. And we will not truly understand all of WHO HE IS until HE decides to show us. Period.
Clapping hands seems to be symbolic of the inner expression of faith or belief. Lamenting or defeating… or even praising… it is still an expression of what is on the inside. Heart or thoughts being expressed in the physical world (though temporary… kinda like our pseudo-physical life??). Thus releasing inner energy and sort of “letting off steam” from the current built up energy inside. (Does one ever sigh in relief? Cry?? Or doesn’t ones face change with emotion almost as a reflex??)
Lord… I can’t believe that so much is being missed with in the arguments of theology!! Bah!)
I highly doubt that God could have done nothing when He decided to lament. But KNEW what the perfect and right thing was to do for the people. For believers and trustees in Him and others that did not know Him.
What ever the nature, Jesus was WITH The Father from before anything was created. He was always with Him. He became flesh and dwelt among us. And HE made the final sacrifice to remedy what the original sin caused (the separation). ONLY GOD could do that. No mere man or angel could IMO. God is the ALL IN ALL. He is ONE. And He doesn’t appear to have 3 distinct natures. They are ONE nature being of ONE mindset. Becoming a human being must have been interesting. Knowing what must happen must have been horrid and soo hard to do. But being God, HE could do it. And only HE was worthy enough to do it. Makes sense to me anyway. But then again, you all now how my mind works.
Lamentation over sin is how God identifies and “marks” his own, and preserves them from destruction.
Ezechiel 9:4
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
Ooooh. Interesting! Thank you Marianne!
I have heard of so many different “marks”. But this one makes complete sense! The inner man expressing truth in the world. Which shows WHO they belong to. Quite obvious now… haha. I really need to organize my thought life a bit better.
so gavriel said the striking the hands together was a sign of grief or lamentation….this is a sign also that the divine sword is on the side of those who lament over sin.
Those Who belong to Our Lord, are like bottles of the finest perfume.Those who lament over sin, are these same bottles of fine perfume that are broken. The odor that arises from these same precious bottles is very pleasing to the nostrils of the Most High
I pray to the Father through Jesus the Son. That same Jesus that had the transfiguration. And I do that because I know him personally, and have for years. I was dedicated to The Father through the Son in 1957 by my Mother I knelt down with my Mom in 1963 and accepted The Son into my heart as my personal Savior, so he could stand between me and The Father for Me as my personal High Priest. The Father cannot stand to look at the eniquity in my life, but looks apon Me through Jesus Yeshua, and acts on my prayer and requests, and my Thanksgiving (which by the way, dont even originate in me)
For I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded, that He is able, to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day.
My Grandfather was born at the base of Mount Ararat. I have information He gave me in the early 60s about “You know what” ( long before there was an Internet). My Grandmothers family was from Italy, and also Christians all the way back. I cant remember which side this story was from, but there was speculation that My people may have met up with the Apostle Paul, and learned the good news from Him, as He traveled through Macedonia. It is speculation from long long ago, and not documented or anything else, so We are clear.
There is more, but Ive said enough already,and it sounds like boasting. I didnt even tell You about My Dad Yet
Yes Jesus is God, He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, He is the Alpha and Omega. He is, was, and always will be.
In Christ, Phil
Not to provoke boasting or sinful action, but I would love to hear this story that you have started. My curiosity is sparked. I agree with your words here.
Which One do You want to hear? About Noahs Ark, and the people from our village? Theres another cool one about my Mom at age 12 from the midwest, and how she pounded her plowshare into a Sword.
It is so cool to be here with You guys. I feel absolutely blessed. The Lord directed me here. That says something very big about Marrannes thread.
He is here!
Any of them. All of them. Personally, I love to hear how God works in others lives. Brings things forefront in my mind. 🙂 So true. God IS here!
I will think about this tonight. I dont want to go off topic.
Mom taught me to use the Sword of God’s Word as a child, although I didnt understand at the time just how real it was. She helped install and hide scripture in my heart so my Sword would be effective, when I walk with Our Lord. She is 82 now and soon to die. She has joy in her heart. She has been a warrior, and a faithful servent all these years. I am at peace because of this. I am very proud of my parents commitment to each other, and their walk with Him.
Hey Phil,
Getting off topic is a regular occurrence here on this site. It happens all the time. 🙂
Be comfortable with it, and tell us what is on your heart.
Be Blessed
yes! What he said 😉 I am getting excited to hear. It is so good to hear about the commitment your parents have to one another and to God. Refreshing!
Hi IBM,
Yes Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit. And yes, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, and said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.”
But who did Stephen cry out to, or pray to?
He cried out to God and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
Above you said that you could reveal to us, that the archangel Michael and Yeshua are one and the same.
I would be interested in hearing what you have to say.
The Prayers that were offered on behalf My Families, and Mikes behalf were very powerful! I mean real real powerful! Supernatural things are happening! Things are happening in my life and in those lives around me!
I was trully surrounded by Angels that very night and there after. Something evil appeared to try to come in, and Angels of light ran it off in less then a second! I pictured in my mind, Angelic protectors drawing swords of light and taking care of business right then and there.
Guess what else? 45squared, when you prayed for Mike, I know he felt it , without knowing what was happening. Ive seen him only twice in the last 6 months. He has just ,out of the blue added me on Facebook! Thats bigger then I can say. I know it has to do with the prayers! I dont usually go to facebook, and no one adds me ever. Thank You!
Im on fire for the Lord now, and I feel it affecting those around me here and at work. God is using me now.
I have a special request. It comes from my older sister! Her daughter, my niece, Kendra, is going through a absolutely horrible situation. Her husband of only a few years, no longer works. He doesnt want to work, and refuses to even look for work. He just runs around with his friends like a childish high schooler, or playboy. He is very mentally abusive to Kendra, and lives off her. She is heartbroken, and is stuck having him living in their home due to financial reasons to do with the home loan. When I see her, her face is filled with pain, her health is suffering terribly, both mentally and physically. Kendra is a Born again Christian, under Satanic attack from what I see. Please, I humbly ask for powerful prayers on Her behalf, that She wil recieve guidance from the Lord, protection, peace, and Joy of Salvation. Thanks in advance! I also ask that you remember Mike in prayer. Obviously, fallen angels are after him.
Thank You so much! I value the prayers of Gods Warriors more than You know.
Phil
dear Phil
We are glad to hear that God moved on your behalf.
With regard to your sister, you cannot allow her to suffer abuse. Faith and prayer is only part of if. You need action as well.
You should be protecting your sister, and confronting the husband about his behavior. She has no one to protect her, which makes her sad, and as a brother you should be doing this.
Since he is irresponsible, you need to have a man to man talk with him, and tell him to either improve his behavior or leave, and face other negative consequences.
Satanic attack is successful when people do nothing to stop it.
You are doing nothing, so do something.
If he is not working, he contributes nothing to the home loan, and so your sister is not obligated to keep him around, with the behavior he has.
Phil
Pray before hand. The Lord will guide you and will speak through you to him. Just trust that The Holy Spirit is working through you. With a humble heart, God can reach many. Even if the others are not so humble at the time. Plant the seed.
I pray for your guidance. For the wicked scheme of the adversary to be broken, bound and cast away in your sisters life. Bring the truth to this man. He can choose. I pray for God to make His presence known to all involved. Who can resist the LORD?? He is so amazing!
Luke 7:40And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. 41There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. 42And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? 43Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. 44And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. 45Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. 46My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. 47Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. 48And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. 49And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 50And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Many blessings to you. So glad that you see the LORD working in your life. I will thank Him!
Blessings
Lisa
(I have a special request. It comes from my older sister!) Her daughter, my niece, Kendra………..
Confrontation is not always the answer as it may end in something we dont want. Then my sons will be involved, and there will be bloodshed. This fellow is a very large football player.
Im requesting intersession by prayer. Guidence will come from our Lord. There is not physical abuse to my knowledge.
45, where are You?
Then use discernment. You said she was suffering physically.
If you expect a physical fight upon confrontation, then get the police involved.
Prayer is best, but something needs to be done on the physical level, as well as spiritual, or your sister may not survive until your prayer get answered.
Approach = practical +prayer.
I will let 45 know you want him. be blessed.
Marianne gives very sound advise. Hiding behind a telephone sometimes is helpful, since 911 is just a couple of taps away (as the aggressor does not know who is on the other end of that phone), but maybe the situation would not allow this.
Will pray the Lord give you grace to proceed with doing, what is necessary to acheive the best possible outcome.
Ok Phil, earlier I did not scroll far enough up to know you had written more, but now have.
You need to lead your older sister in prayer.
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(1) You two need to get in agreement and pray the Lord fix all the emotional, intellectual, and occupational baggage in Kendra’s husband’s life. (No need to comment about this economy’s high unemployment rate- things are hard these days)
(2) Pray together that God extend (a) Mercy & (b) Grace to this man to get back into the employment.
(3) Ask the Lord to send angels out to drag job openings (which he capable of doing) in front of his face.
(4) Also ask (totally irrespective of his being a big football player) that he be given confidence from God himself to genuinely succeed in the workforce.
(5) Then after that, pray God cause his lazy guy friends to be replaced by responsible christian friends.
(6) Then after that, pray God break his knees so that he appreciate Kendra to the point of nurturing her health.
(7) Then after that, pray God help Kendra resist temptation to be any form of stumbling block to her husband’s growth.
(8) Then after that, pray God burden Kendra’s heart to agree with You and her mother’s CONSISTENT SCHEDULED PRAYERS for all of the above.
Your task of praying for this couple’s growth, may be equally difficult to Kendra’s husband getting a job. God uses situations like these in everyone’s family, (mine, Marianne’s, and all Christians) to both test our own heart’s integrity as well as to foster spiritual growth in us. Pointing fingers is the Devil’s game. You must resist this temptation if you wish improvement to come.
As long as he has not resorted to physical violence or swearing curses at Kendra, then there is hope that he is mentally sober enough to see the wisdom in becoming an asset to his family. You can also pray that God give him wisdom. And lastly, you can pray that God help both You Phil and your sister become and stay consistent in this prayer matter. Since all the above goes directly against your flesh, it is wise for you to ask for God’s strength, to fulfill the task of being intercessors for them.
May our Father who is abundant in grace (when we call upon him), bless you with strength to see this through unto completion. Amen.
Confrontation is not the answer when the LORD is not there. However, pray about it and see what HE wants you to do.
I have a video and calendar that I mail out to fathers and married couples. Sometimes to singles too. You can ask Marianne to connect us if you would like. The video is the movie “Fireproof” and calendar is from the “Fireproof” movie. Not that I particularly endorse their ministry, I have watched the movie and it is a good seed to plant for the WORD.
Just as David confronted Goliath, he KNEW that the Lord was with him. Only confront if it is of God. Been there! However, anything that you do, do it in the LOVE OF THE LORD. Not in haste or with accusations. Point out the good and focus on that. Such as “have you tried…” or “I know that things are hard for you…” but ask questions to see where he is in his spirit. Break and bind what spirits you know are not of God. I will be praying for you and them.
Sometimes the mental and emotional abuse leaves scars that are unseen but very real and very much more destructive. I will not say that I am a victim, but I was the person where that happened. Both as a child and as a wife. God knows how to protect His own.
Praying for her and him.
I would expect confrontation to be done in a godly way, if he is capable.
But if not, then I agree.
ps Phil,
I forgot that I have the “Love Dare” that I can print out and send. I can send it to you and you can check it out first if you wish. Or I can have it sent there.
Thanks everyone. Its obvious I need more information
When all your duties end,
when all words and prayer support from friends end,
when all spirit activity comes to an end,
when your dog dozes off to sleep leaving you totally alone,
– the solitary candle light of Holy Spirit waits for you Phil, to stand by you.
He KNOWS you Phil.
Blessings.
Ive just sent off an in depth request for many details, some quite embarassing, but I think it is necessary in order to proceed. In the meantime lets talk about Noahs Ark
My grandpa was born near the base of mount Ararat in 1900 into a Armenian Christian family. His mother was apparently especially close to the Lord, his dad was not so close to the Lord. His dad had been a wild one in his youth, and frequently rode out to an oasis with his buddies, where they would put a goat on a spit, and drink whiskey from gourds, and drink strong demitase (coffee), and feast on the goat, playing music and singing Armenian secular songs, long into the night. My Great great Grandparents saw this behavior and wanted my great Grandfather to settle down and change, They arrainged a marriage with a good wholesome Christian girl. My Great Grandfather was a copper smith at the time. My grandpa was born and several years passed by. One day his mom took him to a Christian tent meeting where prophecy was given. She was told that she must leave Armenia very soon, as Satan would soon use muslim Turks to slaughter Armenians. She went home and told my great grandpa, and he agreed to leave for America right away and prepare a place for the family. I believe Great grandpa went to Philadelphia, and got on at a steel mill as scab labor. He was in a bar fight and stabbed another man, and ended up in jail for 6 months. After he got out he continued to to send support back to his wife, but no boat tickets. Things were heating up, and My Great grandmother wrote and told him to get with it and hurry with the tickets, which he did, and he sent to her soon after. She took their two young boys by herself ,and walked across the continent to the port in Cyprus (if I remember correctly) I just spoke to my dad, and he thinks they left Armenia in 1911 when my grandpa was 11. Grandpas brother was 2-3 years younger. They were swindled out of their steam boat tickets great grandpa sent, and ended up in the hold of a freighter for a several month journey with everyone sick all the time. Rough seas and vomit all over in the hold. The steam ship passed them a couple days out to sea and made a quick trip to America. They had been ripped off royally.
Great grandmother was faithful to the Lord all of her days. I think I vaguely remember meeting her. She was very old and blind, if I remember correctly.
My parents raised me in the church and I accepted Christ as my personal Savior in 1963, I had heard all of the storys in sunday school about the bible heros. The story of Noah stood out to me because I knew we came from there. In about 1964 or 65 when my Grandparents were visiting from Southern California, I asked Grandpa ( Gorvic was his first name)) if the story about Noahs Ark was real. His jaw dropped and his expression changed to total disbelief that I asked that question. He looked at me and said ” Philip! Had you asked that question in the village, people would have thought You a fool! Of course its true, and the Ark is still there. People from our village have been on it before”. He proceeded to tell me that its very high up on the mountain, very hard to get to, and always covered in very deep thick ice and snow. He went on to say that the only time it is visible is after at least 15 years of drought in a row. He told of a father from Our village, that stacked rocks then boosted his son up and onto it to investigate. It was petrified, and enormous. It was very dark inside but the youth was able to make out all kinds of containment sections, and compartments inside. That is pretty much all I can remember from that conversation.
About 10 years ago, I did a bunch of research online about the Ark, and did find a very similar story. I believe it to be one and the same, and the father and Son may have been related to us, or neighbors.
Anyway, there You have it now. A story passed down through family and probably centuries. Dad just told me on the phone He believed Grandpa told me the truth, and this was not fiction.
amazing story. God is with your family.
Good morning Phil! Thanks for the story. I believe that they have found the ark as well. Just seems too real not to be real. Either way, it doesn’t matter much, but how amazing anyway!!
Praying for you and your family.
What if the armies of the Lord
Picked up and dusted off their swords
Vowed to set the captives free
And not let Satan have one more
What if the church for heaven’s sake
Finally stepped up to the plate
Took and stand upon God’s promise
And stormed hell’s rusty gates
What if His people prayed
And those who bear His name
Would humbly seek His face
And turn from their own way
if that were true, we would all be in heaven with Jesus by now. 🙂
Jesus taught that heaven is within Marianne.
Now the first sword is given by Archangel Michael and it is the sword of truth that pricks the heart of conscience of those that are sleeping. The wondrous woman from heaven in Rev 12 was doing that work in 2004 defending the angels of elohiym.
The second sword is the blunted sword of mercy and this is given by Archangel Gabriel.
In the NT Jesus asked his apostles how many swords do they have and they replied two and he said ‘that is enough’.
There is also a third sword as well,
Experience counts. Only then do you truly understand the bible.
Christianity today is not what Jesus intended. Do you truly think Christ desired for the churches to be split and splintered as they are now?
Seek the Kingdom of God within, and you will realize that God is the ultimate servant of All.
Liang
I agree with you.
my name is Corey i am born in a town call paradise ca i was 11 years old i have seen a angel save me forma three demon ghost from hell i had a dream at the start i was in hell i met an angel that said he was the devil he was in chains i was in chains there were two people of what look like holding the chains i was on a dragon it was smoke a bone i say the the two demon they were bone and smoke they take me into the gates of hell they were on fire as if the gates were titanim red hot smoking and there wew dragons of bone and smoke they say welcome in. satin looks down he says do you now how you are i said i don’t now he find it amusing i ask why he said i can’t tell you so satin said behold the angle of death is here. satin says what do you want i said i don’t want anything to do with you he is in a church there are demon dogs chained in the back of me all the chairs were holding them anyway the devil picket me up and drop me in a hole i could not find my way out i prayed this was a dream and i want to wake up. i close my eyes and woke up the room was a hell fire and these smoke like demon came out of the walls i had a cross my great mom give me it was metal it was old. i pulled it from my pillow and asked for god to potcet me form this i was on top of the bunk bed i look down i see this little girl a ghost like smoke here eyes turn red i could not move i drop the cross on the flour the ghost though it under the bed and i cant contol my self right so i walk of at the top i remeber floating for about five mins then i did a spin and a fall then three more demon show up they said we are killing you there were take my life away then then cross under the bed started to move to the to my lag as if it was a sword of fire it lit up i was so beautiful i now now why the Church priest in history said it a abomination to paint or draw next a ball of light start then an angel angel appeared with seven stars with a crown of David first i could not read the symbols it was jewish writing or something it had wings it had a female voice she said begone or you will be destroyed if you do not go now the demons look at her she pull out a sword it was jewish writing or something and i could read it. it let on fire but it was white this time it was energy powerful i could here my death calling just looking at it she said i am with you now you are forever safe. and i ran and pound on the wall and my mom came in see me so shaken i told here and she said i say though thing leave i to this day can not find the cross that did it i was taken bye the angle my mom even looked
dear corey
thank you for your testimony. I hope you are close to the Lord Jesus now, who will keep you from the demons and hell.
To my understanding, it is possible for a spirit to die. This sounds odd, but think of it this way: a man can die at another man’s hands and so too can a spirit die at another spirit’s hands. The difference between these two types of death is that a physical death only destroys the body and the spirit lives on; however in a spiritual death, the spirit, the consciousness is destroyed and nothing is left.
A spirit needs to either be fully separated from the body (like in an ethereal projection) or not have a body (meaning that they are discarnate). When a spirit dies they basically cease to exist, no afterlife, no reincarnation, they are gone.
Souls can however be revived by angels or any other being who is able to do so.
If a spirit is killed by a demon, nothing can be done to save it. That soul is fully absorbed into the demon and becomes part of the demon’s body. If a spirit is killed by a Ghoul Soul it is also absorbed, but unlike with demons, the soul can be saved if the Ghoul is slain by an angel using their sword.
Normally a spirit can die just as easily as their species’ physical form can (you can only really apply this to Earthly beings though). Human souls can thus die just as easily as a human on Earth.
Angels are also able to die, it is just very rare as angels possess enhanced endurance and are very skilled in defending themselves and others. I have quite a lot of knowledge on the subject and I’ve made a list of the most common angelic abilities:
– Flight
– Healing (Vitakinesis/Biokinesis)
– Angelic Swords (these can purify Ghoul Souls; send souls on the the afterlife and be used as regular swords or catalysts for spiritual energy).
– Invisibility
– Enhanced Endurance (wounds that are fatal to humans are normally not much to angels).
– Immortality (can’t die of natural events such as age or disease, but can still be killed).
– Elemental Manipulation (Psychokinesis)
– Energy Manipulation (angels possess an innate high energy, the energy that I am referring to is normally referred to as ki, chi or qi. Angelic energy is attuned to light and divinity (sometimes other elements as well such as electricity or ice).
– Teleportation (angels are able to instantly vanish and reappear across short distances within several meters, they can also “charge” this power to travel further distances).
– Skill (I’m not sure if this qualifies as a power, but angels are generally skilled in many different things such as combat, music and brandishing random objects, just to name a few examples).
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India Reckoner said this on July 8, 2014 at 1:30 am |
The sword is a symbol. As a sword takes life, a sword distinguishes the merely temporal from the eternal. It’s the sword that distinguishes that which is enduring from that which is merely passing. And when it is used one should look at it as a metaphor along with eternity being a metaphor for here right now, nowhere else, or everywhere else, not as everlasting. If you don’t experience it now, you’re never going to get it. The symbol of the sword can also be seen as having the courage of a warrior to realize this.
I think we like to think in terms of what a sword would look compared to an earthly sword we are used to seeing. I once saw and angel using a heavenly sword that stuck a demon. The demon was no where to be seen afterwards. The sword hit with the impact of a sun exploding but contained and controlled. The sword shone like lightning and the one holding it also shone like lightning. It was not a man or flesh and a sword of metal. They were made of something else I guess we call that spirit, because we don’t have any other word to accurately describe it. It’s not often observed so it can’t really be studied by us. But it no doubt exists going by eye witness testimonies and records of eye witness testimonies.
In my opinion, anytime an angel has to interact with mortal man or anything physical of this world, it is only logical that they would need a physical item such as a sword. Also, a sword is an item that man can understand. If a person or an army was simply moved or destroyed by Supernatural powers, it would not have the same impact on the witnesses as seening a physical object.
The centurian beneath the cross of Christ was the first person to acknowledge “Truly, this was the Son of God”. Mind you not disciples, certainly not jews. Why? Because they were afraid of death and acting out of self defense (their over-whelming and quite “human” motivation.) The centurion dedicated and took vows to be obedient unto death. This is the common characteristic among soldiers belonging to a Sovereign Power. The Sword is “the emblem “of a Sovereign Power and no more than that. There are distinct differences between civilians and soldiers and refugees. But every one word is heard by the spirit of God. Einstein went to great priceless efforts using the eclipse to measure time and space which was successful. The cross of Jesus stood under an eclipse of that day between the first and 6th hour that he hung and he died for the sins of mankind being pride, fear, and deafness to the word of God. Daniel predicted Jesus would be cut off 2 weeks after his 30th birthday. Religious leaders stated that they knew not where he came from, neither did they check their records. Jesus was circumcised and brought to the temple/synagogue where Anna prophesied his purpose and the effect it would have on his mother. Big Picture stuff!
melinda
good points
The flaming swords are physically real. They cauterize when they pierce flesh. Keeping this in mind , after Jesus died on the cross there was simply no further need for their use until after the 6th seal is opened. If you read how they’re described in a KJV , that’s about as a close of a description you will get from them. The swords are real & the archangel bodies are real , as a body in spirit form. I’m not here to dispute or argue & I won’t either way. I have seen the questions so I decided to answer. You can believe me or not I really don’t care either way. These questions aren’t what is important. Being reconciled to GOD is
ryan
thank you. I had not considered the possible physicality of spirit and swords