OORAH for the American troops!

american-soldiers

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The American troops in Iraq have had great success reducing violence, helping the Iraqis to establish their own government, and rebuilding the infrastructure in Iraq. These are the statistics the godless liberal media does not want you to know.

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Liberal media sucks, and commits slander. American soldiers are the greatest in the world!!

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American soldiers are giving their lives so that Iraqi people can be free from terrorism.

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DID you know that DUE TO THE AMERICAN TROOPS:

47 countries  have now reestablished their embassies in Iraq ?


Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?


Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction, and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?


Did you know that Iraq’s higher education structure now consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or Colleges, and 4 research centers, all currently operating?


Did you know – that Iraqi women are now allowed to attend schools?


Did you know that 25 Iraqi students departed for the United States in January 2005, for the re-established Fulbright program?


Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is now operational? That they have five (5) – 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels, and a naval infantry regiment.


Did you know that Iraq’s Air Force now consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and they’ll soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?


Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?


Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq ,  that produce over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?


Did you know there are now more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq?

They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83
railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.


Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the series of polio vaccinations?


Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid-October?


Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq , and phone use has gone up 158% ?


Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?


Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?


Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently?


OF COURSE WE DID NOT KNOW.  WHY DIDN’T WE KNOW THIS?  THE NEWS MEDIA REFUSES TO TELL US.


Godless news media sucks. Americans are great people, and Iraq would not even exist now, if our troops were not there. They would all be dead, without decent burial, under Sadaam Hussein.


Instead of reflecting our love for our country, we get photos of flag burnings, incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing things at the presidential motorcades. – —-


Godless news media sucks. We are NOT there for the stupid oil. We have to pay for oil, just like everyone else. It costs us money to be there. We have no financial profits. News media people are liars, and I am sick of stupid people believing everything they are told. .

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Now what have the terrorists done for Iraq, besides kill people and blow things up?  NOTHING !!!!

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All the above facts about Iraq are
verifiable on the Department of Defense website:
<http://www.defenselink.mil/>

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More Good News From “The Iraqi Surge”. from 2007….and we have done even more since then !!!!.

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Reference:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/03/more-good-news-from-iraqi-surge.html

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Sharp decline in attacks, killings and assassination in Baghdad

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In a press conference held by General Kamber, commander of Baghdad operation and general Qasim Atta, spokesman for Baghdad’s operation “Rule of Law”. Atta gave a summery of the operation and comparisons to crimes committed during the same period in 2006. The operation started on Feb.14.2007.

The most important accomplishment of the operation “Rule of Law”:

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1- The decline in murders (bodies found with no ID) by 28%. The health ministry and Police comandry have confirmed these numbers.


2- Car thefts are down 65% from 57 to 37. Twenty cars were stolen and seventeen were as a result of carjackings.


3- Assassinations have declined 95%. From 517 to 22.


4- Kidnappings are down 90% from 98 to 10.


5- Bombing crimes are down 38% from 163 to 102.


6- Car bomb crimes are down 36% from 56 to 36.


7- Mortar attacks are down 47% from 204 to 109.


8- Hand grenade attacks are down 70% from 10 to 3.


9- Katusha attacks are down 35% from 23 to 15.


10- RPG attacks are down from 6 to two attacks.


11- Deaths are down 85% from 1440 to 265 and wounded are down 77% from 3192 to 781.


12- Motorcycle bomb attacks are down 100%, 1 before and 0 now.


13- Terrorist arrests are up from 160 to 713.


14- Suspect’s arrests are up from 160 to 1152.


15- Terrorist attacks are down 84% from 94 to 19 incidences.

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I have not seen this news in any of our main media outlets. The Iraqis we have trained are taking the lead in much of this operation and our own forces are putting a tremendous effort in this operation. The recognition and thanks are mute.

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But not so for Americans like me.  I love my guys in uniform.   :)    We are the majority opinion that counts!


*** I am still looking for the 2008 statistics !!….

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Good Job, Guys !!!!!


121 Responses to “OORAH for the American troops!”

  1. [...] in Iraq. These are the statistics the godless liberal media does not want you to know. Click here for [...]

  2. I am a retired disable vet, and want to thank you for writing this wonderful article. May God bless you.

  3. Hi,

    You are right, and lots of American soldiers died there, i have just finished 3 years in Baghdad, and it is no vacation.. there should be some recognition, not just a small memorial..although not every Iraqi agrees, but things have changed for the better. My last year has been on the USAID project and that wouldn’t have been there if the soldiers weren’t there. Also the US Army vets are wonderful, as i’m a dog handler/trainer and they helped us out alot.

    Blessings

  4. Hi foundthetruth & Rev Williams.

    I appreciate all you have done. My life is what it is because of your sacrifices.

    I just added some stats showing the success of the surge. So double back and take a quick look, if you did not see that part.

    blessings
    marianne

  5. A heartfelt thankyou and prayer for all american troops!
    Blessings and Protection!

  6. A heartfelt thankyou and prayer for all american troops!
    Blessings and Protection!

  7. Hi Marianne,

    Thank you for releasing some figures, people should know.

    I have written something once, on the day of some bombings..

    http://foundthetruth.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/another-day-and-then-you-die/

    Keep up the good work Sister

    Blessings

    Corne

  8. you idiots. what caused all that lawlessness and disorder? the usa starting a war on acountry that had no connection with alqueda, no wdms, and was essentially powerless afte 13 long years of economic sanctions against them. but you are so fucking blinded by your fake religion waiting for the end of everything that you can’t see it.

    you had better hope there is no god because you will surley pay for all of your evil actions and thoughts as promised in your “holy” book.

    on second thought- i hope there is a god because wont you be surprised to spending eternity in fire with a godless heathen like me.

  9. Thank God for our troops, who sacrifice their lives to keep us free. May God protect them during this Thanksgiving holiday, and always.

  10. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=hkGzqpGx1KU

  11. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=5pfBUUZNbFM

  12. People complain about why we are in Iraq. It is stories like this that explain it.

    Why should terrorists be allowed to do things like this, and go unstopped?

    God help them, when the US troops pull out.

  13. I never said I was against us being in Iraq and helping the people.

    I’ve learned a lot about George WMD Bush and that’s what I’m against, not our troops.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance44.html

    http://www.vancepublications.com/about%20lmv.htm
    About Laurence M. Vance

    Laurence M. Vance is an author, a publisher, a lecturer, a freelance writer, the editor of the Classic Reprints series, and the director of the Francis Wayland Institute. He holds degrees in history, theology, accounting, and economics. The author of eighteen books, he has contributed over three hundred articles and book reviews to both secular and religious periodicals. Vance’s writings have appeared in a diverse group of publications including the Ancient Baptist Journal, Bible Editions & Versions, Campaign for Liberty, LewRockwell.com, the Independent Review, the Free Market, Liberty, Chronicles, the Journal of Libertarian Studies, the Journal of the Grace Evangelical Society, the Review of Biblical Literature, Freedom Daily, and the New American. His writing interests include economics, taxation, politics, government spending and corruption, theology, English Bible history, Greek grammar, and the folly of war. He is a regular columnist and blogger for LewRockwell.com. Vance is a member of the Society of Biblical Literature, the Grace Evangelical Society, and the International Society of Bible Collectors, and is an adjunct scholar of the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

    Laurence M. Vance: “Champion of Liberty and Peace”–Lew Rockwell, chariman of the Ludwig von Mises Institute

    Since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Bush has gone out of his way to maintain that Islam is a religion of peace that is not much different than other religions. Indeed, our “Christian” president has gone overboard, not just in his tolerance of, but in his promotion of Islam.

    On November 19, 2001, Bush hosted a Ramadan fast-breaking dinner (an Iftar) at the White House for fifty Muslim ambassadors. The president said in his opening remarks that the United States is “made better by millions of Muslim citizens.”

    On October 11, 2002, when commenting on U.S. humanitarian aid to Afghanistan, Bush stated about Islam: “Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions.”

    On November 7, 2002, Bush hosted another Iftar at the White House “to help usher in the holy month of Ramadan.”

    On October 24, 2003, Bush released an official presidential message on Ramadan in which he said that “people who practice the Islamic faith have made great contributions to our Nation and the world.”

    On October 28, 2003, Bush hosted yet another Iftar at the White House with ambassadors and Muslim leaders. During this dinner he had a Muslim Imam lead in prayer.

    On October 15, 2004, Bush released another official presidential message on Ramadan in which he said that “Americans who practice the Islamic faith enrich our society and help our Nation build a better future.”

    Some Christians will excuse Bush’s attempts to placate Muslims by saying that since Bush is the president he has to participate in certain functions as the head of state. True, but when did Nixon, Reagan, or even Bush’s father promote Ramadan? Ah, we are told, this is necessary because the world is different since the September 11th attacks! I wonder how many years will have to pass before we cease to hear that trite cliché? Other Christians will dismiss Bush’s actions by saying that, after all, he is just a politician, and politicians say and do a lot of things that they really don’t believe and don’t want to do. But I thought Bush was a Christian? Aren’t Christians supposed to “provide things honest in the sight of all men” (Romans 12:17)? Okay, still other Christians say, Bush means well, he is just naïve about Islam – but his Christianity is genuine. The first part of that statement is certainly true, but what of the second?

    The disturbing thing about Bush’s Christianity is not his naïveté, his hosting of Ramadan dinners, or his statements about Islam. What is so troubling about Bush’s Christianity is his anti-Christian theology. He told the leader of Turkey (a Muslim) that they both believe in “the Almighty.” When questioned by a British reporter about the God of Islam being the same as the God of Christianity, Bush replied: “I believe we worship the same God.” In an October 26, 2004, Good Morning American interview with Charles Gibson, Bush was asked: “Do we all worship the same God, Christian and Muslim?” His reply: “I think we do.”

    It is impossible that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, and for one simple reason: Allah had no son. The Koran teaches that Allah had no son (4:171, 6:101, 9:30, 10:68, 17:111, 18:4,19:35, 19:88-92, 23:91, 25:2, 39:4, 72:3, 112:1-3); the Bible teaches that God had a son, Jesus Christ (Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:35, John 3:18, Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Ephesians 4:13, Hebrews 4:14, 1 John 5:20, Revelation 2:18). It doesn’t matter if you believe that the Koran is right and the Bible is wrong or that the Bible is right and the Koran is wrong; the result is still the same: Christians and Muslims couldn’t possibly worship the same God.

    But it is not just Islam that Bush is confused about. Evangelical Christians who rejoice when they hear Bush talk about faith ought to do a little investigating before they get so ecstatic. When I talk about faith, says the president:

    I don’t talk about a particular faith. I believe the Lord can work through many faiths, whether it be the Christian faith, the Jewish faith, Muslim faith, Hindu faith. When I speak of faith, I speak of all faiths, because there is a universal call, and that main universal call is to love your neighbor. It extends throughout all faith.

    So, it is not just Christians and Muslims that Bush thinks worship the same God. The god worshipped by any “faith” and the God of Christianity are one and the same. How can “the Lord work through many faiths” unless he is the God of all faiths?

    In his Good Morning American interview, Bush was also asked by Charles Gibson: “Do Christians and non-Christians and Muslims go to heaven in your mind?” His reply: “Yes, they do. We have different routes of getting there. But I will, I, I want you to understand, I want your listeners to understand, I don’t get to decide who goes to heaven. The almighty God decides who goes to heaven. And I am on my personal walk.”

    So according to President Bush, one religion is just as good as another. It doesn’t matter what “faith” a person holds to – Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Hindu – as long as you have “faith.” But even that is probably saying too much, for the question put to Bush about who is going to heaven included “non-Christians.” That could mean adherents of any non-Christian religion – Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Animism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism, Scientology, Rosicrucianism, Islam, or Hinduism – or adherents of no religion – atheists and agnostics.

  14. Someone e-mailed me with this. I’ve never done this, but it sounds like a good idea.

    http://www.redcross.org/holidaymail

    Holiday Mail for Heroes Program Overview

    It’s that time of year again! The American Red Cross and Pitney Bowes have teamed up for the fourth annual Holiday Mail for Heroes program.

    From now until December 10th you are invited to send holiday cards to our American service members, their families, and veterans all over the world. Anyone can send a card and you can send as many as you would like! Please send all cards to

    Holiday Mail for Heroes
    PO Box 5456
    Capitol Heights, MD
    20791-5456

    The deadline for this year is December 10th. Unfortunately, if your cards are not postmarked by December 10th they cannot be delivered. After Pitney Bowes collects and screens the mail received in the PO Box, Red Cross workers deliver holiday greetings to service men and women in their communities. Check out how our uniformed men and women and their families expressed their gratitude for the Holiday Mail program when it delivered cards to Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

  15. Don’t wait until someone is gone, to do something like this. Our nursing Unit did this during Desert Storm. It was fun sending letters and getting them back. A marine even came over to my house and shared with me, my mom and dad and another RN his experience in Kuwait/Iraq in 1991.

  16. From an email…….remembering treasonous times, and Hanoi Jane

    For those of you too young to remember Hanoi Jane is a bad person and did some terrible things during the Vietnam war Things that cannot be forgiven by those who were betrayed by her!!!!

    and now OBAMA wants to honor her…….!!!!

    In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton

    IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!

    She really is a traitor.

    A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
    KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

    This is for all the kids born in the 70′s and after who do not remember, and didn’t have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear…

    Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the ’100 Women of the Century.’

    BARBARA WALTERS WRITES:

    Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed Vietnam

    The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot’s name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
    In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ‘ Hanoi Hilton.’ Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ’s, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American ‘Peace Activist’ the ‘lenient and humane treatment’ he’d received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant ‘s feet, which sent that officer berserk. In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant’s frenzied application of a wooden baton.

    From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E’s). He spent 6 years in the ‘Hanoi Hilton’,,, the first three of which his family only knew he was ‘missing in action’ His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a ‘peace delegation’ visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man’s hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: “Aren’t you sorry you bombed babies?” and “Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?” Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

    I was a CIVILIAN economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs). We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals. When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received, and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as ‘humane and lenient.’

    Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

    These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of ’100 Years of Great Women.’ Lest we forget,,,’100 Years of Great Women’ should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane’s participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and
    she needs to know that we will never forget.

    RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343

    • I had no idea how bad it was. My father mentioned it over the years but never truly understood what she did. Thanks for posting this.

    • Jane Fonda is being honored by Obama as one of 100 years of Great Women. What an atrocity, the bitch should be charged with treason and executed for her role in Viet Nam. What the hell is Obama thinking! Oh that’s right he don’t think

  17. Good Job Marianne,

    For those of you who would like to ask Hanoi Jane a question, go to her website, and leave her a message!

    http://janefonda.com/ask-jane/

  18. That’ why I felt Desert Storm did a lot of healing. All the troops were included in the welcoming home. All were honored from “all” wars and all branches of the military.

  19. Marianne and C.J.:

    Are you aware that Jane Fonda became a Born again Christian and divorced Ted Turner?

    If you don’t know who Christopher Hitchen is, here information on him:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=3952

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000404/bio

    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_born_again.html

    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/janefonda.htm

    ANE FONDA BECOMES A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN>Robert Stacy McCain
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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    Jane Fonda has become a born-again Christian, enthusiastic in her newly found faith, and her conversion is making waves from Atlanta to Hollywood.
    She’s regularly attending church services and Bible studies in Atlanta, and>one friend calls her faith “very real, very deep.”
    One of her longtime critics calls it a conversion “right up there with Saul of Tarsus.” The story leaped from Internet gossip to mainstream newspapers following the disclosure last week that she and her husband, Ted Turner, have separated.
    Miss Fonda has so far declined to talk to reporters about it, and her spokesman, Steven Bennett, Thursday told The Times: “We do not comment on her personal life.”
    She had said in an interview two years ago, on the eve of her 60th
    birthday, that she had asked herself, “Where do I want to go with the last third of
    my life?”
    Friends say Mr. Turner’s unhappiness with his wife’s enthusiasm for her new faith in Christ contributed to the split-up. The couple said they hope to work out a reconciliation.
    Her friends in Atlanta and Hollywood are rallying around her.
    “I am extremely impressed with the genuineness and sincerity in [her] search for spirituality and wholeness,” the Rev. Gerald Durley, pastor of Providence Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta where Miss Fonda has attended services, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “I think she’s>found a certain sense of peace among people who’ve found peace with Christianity.”
    Ted Baehr, chairman of the Christian Film and Television Commission in Los
    Angeles, who worries that news of Miss Fonda’s conversion will put the>actress-activist under pressure as a “celebrity Christian,” urges Christians to pray for her.
    “We should be kind and gracious and thoughtful and respectful,” says Mr. Baehr, who said he had been aware of Miss Fonda’s journey toward faith for>more than a year.
    Joseph Farah, whose Internet site WorldNetDaily.com first reported Miss
    Fonda’s conversion, said he had heard “rumblings” about her search for faith
    for two years. “Then, last summer, I started hearing again from people who were close to
    Jane, that this was real, that she was really attending church and Bible study and had made a sincere commitment to Christianity. It resurfaced recently with the separation between Ted and Jane. I heard from one of my sources that the real reason was spiritual,” he said.
    Mr. Turner, who turned a bankrupt Atlanta advertising company into a media empire that grew even larger this week with the merger of Time-Warner and America Online, has been an outspoken critic of Christianity, calling it a “religion for losers.”
    At a meeting of population control groups last year, Mr. Turner ridiculed the Ten Commandments and told a Polish joke about Pope John Paul II, who was born in Poland. But later he appeared chastened and told the First Baptist Church of Woodstock, Ga., an Atlanta suburb: “From the bottom of my heart, I apologize for the things I said about Christians.”
    Mr. Turner has told friends that he had accepted Christ as a young man at a Billy Graham crusade, but lost his faith after the death of his sister.
    Among those involved in Miss Fonda’s path to Christ are several Christian>friends in Atlanta. These are said to include Ginny Millner, wife of Georgia Republican leader Guy Millner, and Nancy McGuirk, whose husband is an executive in Turner Broadcasting Co.
    The key figure in Miss Fonda’s search, however, may have been her>chauffeur, who shared his faith with her, Mr. Baehr said. When her husband became upset when she began attending Atlanta’s fashionable Peachtree Presbyterian>Church, Miss Fonda “asked her chauffeur where should she go.” The chauffeur invited her to attend his church, the predominantly black Providence Missionary Baptist Church.
    She accepted the invitation, and became a regular parishioner there, though she apparently has not joined the church. Miss Fonda, who founded the Georgia Campaign for Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention, helped Providence Church establish its Fathers Resource Center, which educates young men about the emotional and social responsibilities of fatherhood.
    She has not publicly talked about her political views, or whether she has changed any of them, but she is said to have declined to participate in a meditation ceremony at an environmental conference not long ago with an admonition that “it would be better to pray to Jesus Christ.”
    A member of Providence Church, who has worked closely with Miss Fonda, said
    telephone calls from reporters have flooded the church since the news broke of Miss Fonda’s attendance at Providence Missionary. “It’s been a zoo here.. . . It’s been absolutely incredible,” she said. That kind of media frenzy worries Robert H. Knight, senior director of cultural studies at the Family Research Council, a conservative advocacy organization.
    “I would hope, if her conversion is genuine, that Miss Fonda will not come under undue pressure before she is able to handle it,” he says. “She probably needs time to grow in the faith and experience the joys of knowing Christ, before undergoing trials on His behalf.”
    Spiritual growth may be difficult for Miss Fonda because of her Hollywood background. The Academy Award-winning actress, who was called “Hanoi Jane” after her 1971 trip to North Vietnam, where she was photographed posing on an anti-aircraft battery, “has been in a cultural universe that is utterly hostile to Christianity,” Mr. Knight says.
    Speculation has grown in Atlanta that Mr. Turner might soon follow his wife in a search for his own discarded faith. “Nobody is beyond the grace of God,” says Mr. Baehr. “That’s why Jesus died>for the sinners, not for the righteous. . . . Nobody is beyond God’s grace>whom God decides to call into His kingdom.”

    http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2005/04/Christianity-Is-My-Spiritual-Home.aspx

    ‘Christianity Is My Spiritual Home’
    Jane Fonda talks about how she is ‘riveted’ by faith and why she believes feminism is what Jesus taught.

    BY: Interview by Lisa Schneider

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    From her longtime political activism to her Oscar-winning acting, Jane Fonda has never done anything halfheartedly, and she brings this characteristic intensity to her faith. When she talks about “feeling the presence of the Almighty,” her view of Jesus, and the way she prays, her voice wells from deep within her chest. You may know this voice from her films (among dozens of others: “Barbarella,” “Klute,” “On Golden Pond,” and currently in theaters, “Monster-in-Law”), or from her aerobics videos (“feel the burn!”), or from film reels from the sixties, when she spoke out against the Vietnam War. Fonda, now 67, spoke with us recently about her spirituality.

    Read Beliefnet’s complete interview and listen the audio excerpts below.

    http://badchristians.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/born-again-jane-fonda-attends-pre-grammy-party/

    “Born again” Jane Fonda attends pre-Grammy party
    Jane Fonda, who announced in 2001 that she was a “born again Christian” shortly after divorcing Ted Turner, attended the pre-Grammy party held at the Beverly Hilton, last night.

    Jane Fonda at the pre-Grammys
    There’s nothing really noteworthy about her appearance, nor is she a “bad Christian” for attending, we just wanted to use the opportunity to remark on how old Ted Danson is starting to look these days! (Just look at that poor guy… she dumped multi-gazallionaire Ted Turner for him?) Jane, you’ve achieved “cougar” status… now go forth, and claim your uh, er… well…

    … I guess the geriatric ”Ted Turner” isn’t so bad after all.

    Okay, there is ONE negative thing we can say about Hanoi Jane since she has mellowed out and become a Christian: she’s not nearly as fun to hate as she used to be…

    • kitti

      I visited her blog when CJ first mentioned jane. I read about how she thinks she is born again, but is no longer with the church and back to her own version of spirituality – new age, hinduism is ok etc,. I left a cold response that she was then not a real christian, if she abandoned her faith that fast. When I go to her site now, the entire page on her new spirituality , which has little to do with Jesus, is missing.

      Ps. She has never repented of all the American troops she had murdered in Vietnam.

  20. Marianne;

    I wouldn’t be so hard on Jane Fonda. All these wars have been

    manufactured.

    Gulf Of Tonkin Was A Staged False Flag Event
    (Highlights)

    “It was just confusion, and events afterwards showed that our judgment that we’d been attacked that day was wrong. It didn’t happen.” ~ Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense in 1964

    Over 1,100 pages of previously classified Vietnam-era transcripts released this week by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee highlight the fact that several Senators knew that the White House and the Pentagon had deceived the American people over the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident.

    It would take over thirty years for the truth to emerge that the Aug. 4, 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, where US warships were apparently attacked by North Vietnamese PT Boats – an incident that kicked off US involvement in the Vietnam war – was a staged event that never actually took place.

    The LBJ Presidential tapes, declassified and released in 2001, prove that LBJ knew the Tonkin incident never happened. After dressing down his Defence Secretary Robert McNamara for misleading him, Johnson then discussed how to politically spin the non-event and escalate it as justification for air strikes.

    Remember when they tried to pass the Equal Rights Amendment in the

    1980′s?

    Were you willing to be drafted? Where were you and what were you doing?

    http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1986/sept86/psrsep86.html

    ERA would take away women’s traditional exemption from military conscription and also from military combat duty. The classic “sex discriminatory” laws are those which say that “male citizens of age 18″ must register for the draft and those which exempt women from military combat assignment. The ERAers tried to get around this argument by asking the Supreme Court to hold that the 14th Amendment already requires women to be drafted, but they lost in 1981 in Rostker v. Goldberg when the Supreme Court upheld the traditional exemption of women from the draft under our present Constitution.

    • yes i WILL be hard on her. She personally sent many American soldiers in prison camps to their deaths. She was there in Hanoi, to witness the brutal beatings and killings, and told the soldiers they deserved to die. She is a beast and a tramp. And she has not changed.

  21. Marianne;

    You didn’t answer my question. Are you willing to have our women drafted?

    Are all these wars manufactured and false flag attacks?

    • Women are equal to men in the armed forces, and already serve there. There are exemptions for family, education, etc. So I see nothing wrong with women serving in the military.

      I do not believe every false flag theory that comes along.

  22. May I assume in your answer that you believe in the EQUAL RIGHTS

    AMENDMENT

    http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/faq.htm

    and the drafting of women?

    It sounds like you do believe there are false flag attacks.

    I didn’t say I don’t believe Women should serve in the military. My mom was a Wave in WWII.

    After reading this article is this really what we want for our men and women in the service?

    http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/content/blogcategory/23/37/

    http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?
    page=NewsArticle&id=5761&news_iv_ctrl=1044

    http://www.countermilitary.org/SuzanneSwift.html

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/07/women_in_military

    http://www.tomjoad.org/warheroes7.htm

    The private war of women soldiers

    Many female soldiers say they are sexually assaulted by their male comrades and can’t trust the military to protect them. “The knife wasn’t for the Iraqis,” says one woman. “It was for the guys on my own side.”

    BY HELEN BENEDICT

    This story has been corrected since it was originally published.
    As thousands of burned-out soldiers prepare to return to Iraq to fill President Bush’s unwelcome call for at least 20,000 more troops, I can’t help wondering what the women among those troops will have to face. And I don’t mean only the hardships of war, the killing of civilians, the bombs and mortars, the heat and sleeplessness and fear.

    I mean from their own comrades — the men.

    I have talked to more than 20 female veterans of the Iraq war in the past few months, interviewing them for up to 10 hours each for a book I am writing on the topic, and every one of them said the danger of rape by other soldiers is so widely recognized in Iraq that their officers routinely told them not to go to the latrines or showers without another woman for protection.

    The female soldiers who were at Camp Arifjan in Kuwait, for example, where U.S. troops go to demobilize, told me they were warned not to go out at night alone.

    “They call Camp Arifjan ‘generator city’ because it’s so loud with generators that even if a woman screams she can’t be heard,” said Abbie Pickett, 24, a specialist with the 229th Combat Support Engineering Company who spent 15 months in Iraq from 2004-05. Yet, she points out, this is a base, where soldiers are supposed to be safe.

    Spc. Mickiela Montoya, 21, who was in Iraq with the National Guard in 2005, took to carrying a knife with her at all times. “The knife wasn’t for the Iraqis,” she told me. “It was for the guys on my own side.”

    Comprehensive statistics on the sexual assault of female soldiers in Iraq have not been collected, but early numbers revealed a problem so bad that former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld ordered a task force in 2004 to investigate. As a result, the Defense Department put up a Web site in 2005 designed to clarify that sexual assault is illegal and to help women report it. It also initiated required classes on sexual assault and harassment. The military’s definition of sexual assault includes “rape; nonconsensual sodomy; unwanted inappropriate sexual contact or fondling; or attempts to commit these acts.”

    Unfortunately, with a greater number of women serving in Iraq than ever before, these measures are not keeping women safe. When you add in the high numbers of war-wrecked soldiers being redeployed, and the fact that the military is waiving criminal and violent records for more than one in 10 new Army recruits, the picture for women looks bleak indeed.

    Last year, Col. Janis Karpinski caused a stir by publicly reporting that in 2003, three female soldiers had died of dehydration in Iraq, which can get up to 126 degrees in the summer, because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being raped by male soldiers if they walked to the latrines after dark. The Army has called her charges unsubstantiated, but Karpinski told me she sticks by them. (Karpinski has been a figure of controversy in the military ever since she was demoted from brigadier general for her role as commander of Abu Ghraib. As the highest-ranking official to lose her job over the torture scandal, she claims she was scapegoated, and has become an outspoken critic of the military’s treatment of women. In turn, the Army has accused her of sour grapes.)

    “I sat right there when the doctor briefing that information said these women had died in their cots,” Karpinski told me. “I also heard the deputy commander tell him not to say anything about it because that would bring attention to the problem.” The latrines were far away and unlit, she explained, and male soldiers were jumping women who went to them at night, dragging them into the Port-a-Johns, and raping or abusing them. “In that heat, if you don’t hydrate for as many hours as you’ve been out on duty, day after day, you can die.” She said the deaths were reported as non-hostile fatalities, with no further explanation.

    Not everyone realizes how different the Iraq war is for women than any other American war in history. More than 160,500 American female soldiers have served in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East since the war began in 2003, which means one in seven soldiers is a woman. Women now make up 15 percent of active duty forces, four times more than in the 1991 Gulf War. At least 450 women have been wounded in Iraq, and 71 have died — more female casualties and deaths than in the Korean, Vietnam and first Gulf Wars combined. And women are fighting in combat.

    Officially, the Pentagon prohibits women from serving in ground combat units such as the infantry, citing their lack of upper-body strength and a reluctance to put girls and mothers in harm’s way. But mention this ban to any female soldier in Iraq and she will scoff.

    “Of course we were in combat!” said Laura Naylor, 25, who served with the Army Combat Military Police in Baghdad from 2003-04. “We were interchangeable with the infantry. They came to our police stations and helped pull security, and we helped them search houses and search people. That’s how it is in Iraq.”

    Women are fighting in ground combat because there is no choice. This is a war with no front lines or safe zones, no hiding from in-flying mortars, car and roadside bombs, and not enough soldiers. As a result, women are coming home with missing limbs, mutilating wounds and severe trauma, just like the men.

    All the women I interviewed held dangerous jobs in Iraq. They drove trucks along bomb-ridden roads, acted as gunners atop tanks and unarmored vehicles, raided houses, guarded prisoners, rescued the wounded in the midst of battle, and searched Iraqis at checkpoints. Some watched their best friends die, some were wounded, all saw the death and mutilation of Iraqi children and citizens.

    Yet, despite the equal risks women are taking, they are still being treated as inferior soldiers and sex toys by many of their male colleagues. As Pickett told me, “It’s like sending three women to live in a frat house.”

    Rape, sexual assault and harassment are nothing new to the military. They were a serious problem for the Women’s Army Corps in Vietnam, and the rapes and sexual hounding of Navy women at Tailhook in 1991 and of Army women at Aberdeen in 1996 became national news. A 2003 survey of female veterans from Vietnam through the first Gulf War found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans from Vietnam and all the wars since, who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder, found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while in the military. And in a third study, conducted in 1992-93 with female veterans of the Gulf War and earlier wars, 90 percent said they had been sexually harassed in the military, which means anything from being pressured for sex to being relentlessly teased and stared at.

    “That’s one of the things I hated the most,” said Caryle García, 24, who, like Naylor, served with the Combat Military Police in Baghdad from 2003-04. García was wounded by a roadside bomb, which knocked her unconscious and filled her with shrapnel. “You walk into the chow hall and there’s a bunch of guys who just stop eating and stare at you. Every time you bend down, somebody will say something. It got to the point where I was afraid to walk past certain people because I didn’t want to hear their comments. It really gets you down.”

    “There are only three kinds of female the men let you be in the military: a bitch, a ho or a dyke,” said Montoya, the soldier who carried a knife for protection. “This guy out there, he told me he thinks the military sends women over to give the guys eye candy to keep them sane. He said in Vietnam they had prostitutes to keep them from going crazy, but they don’t have those in Iraq. So they have women soldiers instead.”

    Pickett heard the same attitude from her fellow soldiers. “My engineering company was in the first Gulf War, and back then it had only two females,” she said. “One was labeled a whore because she had a boyfriend, and the other one was a bitch because she wouldn’t sleep around. And that’s how they were still referred to all these years later.”

    In the current Iraq war, which Pickett spent refueling and driving trucks over the bomb-ridden roads, she was one of 19 women in a 160-troop unit. She said the men imported cases of porn, and talked such filth at the women all the time that she became worn down by it. “We shouldn’t have to think every day, ‘How am I going to go out there and deal with being harassed?’” she said. “We should just have to think about going out and doing our job.”

    Pickett herself was sexually attacked when she was training in Nicaragua before being deployed to Iraq. “I was sexually assaulted by a superior officer when I was 19, but I didn’t know where to turn, so I never reported it,” she told me.

    Jennifer Spranger, 23, who was deployed at the beginning of the war with the Military Police to build and guard Camp Bucca, a prison camp for Iraqis, had a similar experience.

    “My team leader offered me up to $250 for a hand job. He would always make sure that we were out alone together at the beginning, and he wouldn’t stop pressuring me for sex. If somebody did that to my daughter I’d want to kill the guy. But you can’t fit in if you make waves about it. You rat somebody out, you’re screwed. You’re gonna be a loner until they eventually push you out.”

    Spranger and several other women told me the military climate is so severe on whistle-blowers that even they regarded the women who reported rape as incapable traitors. You have to handle it on your own and shut up, is how they saw it. Only on their return home, with time and distance, did they become outraged at how much sexual persecution of women goes on.

    Having the courage to report a rape is difficult enough for civilians, where unsympathetic police, victim-blaming myths, and simple fear prevent 59 percent of rapes from being reported, according to the U.S. Bureau of Justice. But within the military, reporting is even more risky. Military platoons are enclosed, hierarchical societies, riddled with gossip, so any woman who reports a rape has no realistic chance of remaining anonymous. She will have to face her assailant day after day, and put up with rumors, resentment and blame from other soldiers. Furthermore, she runs the risk of being punished by her assailant if he is her superior.

    These barriers to reporting are so well recognized that even the Defense Department has been scrambling to mend the situation, at least for the public eye. It won’t go so far as to actually gather statistics on rape and assault in Iraq (it only counts reported rapes in raw numbers for all combat areas in the Middle East combined), but in 2006 the DOD did finally wake up to the idea that anonymous reporting might help women come forward, and updated its Web site accordingly.

    The Web site looks good, although some may object that it seems to pay more attention to telling women how to avoid an assault than telling men not to commit one. It defines rape, sexual assault and harassment, and makes clear that these behaviors are illegal. The site now also explains that a soldier can report a rape anonymously to a special department, SAPR (Sexual Assault Prevention and Response), without triggering an official investigation — a procedure called “restricted reporting.” And it promises the soldier a victim’s advocate and medical care.

    On closer scrutiny, however, the picture is less rosy: Only active and federal duty soldiers can go to SAPR for help, which means that neither inactive reservists nor veterans are eligible; soldiers are encouraged to report rapes to a chaplain, and chaplains are not trained as rape counselors; if soldiers tell a friend about an assault, that friend is legally obliged to report it to officials; soldiers must disclose their rank, gender, age, race, service, and the date, time and/or location of the assault, which in the closed world of a military unit hardly amounts to anonymity; and, in practice, since most people in the Army are men, the soldier will likely find herself reporting her sexual assault to a man — something rape counselors know does not work. Worse, no measures will be taken against the accused assailant unless the victim agrees to stop being anonymous.

    The DOD insists on the success of its reforms, the proof being that the number of reported military sexual assaults rose by 1,700 from 2004 to a total of 2,374 in 2005. “The success of the SAPR program is in direct correlation with the increased numbers of reported sexual assaults,” Cynthia Smith, a Defense Department spokeswoman, wrote to me in an e-mail.

    In fact, as anyone familiar with sexual assault statistics knows, nobody can ever tell whether increases in rape rates are due to more reporting or more rapes.

    My own interviewees and advocates on behalf of women veterans say these reforms are not working. They say there is a huge gap between what the military promises to do on its Web site and what it does in practice, and that the traditional view that reporting an assault betrays your fellow soldiers still prevails.

    “Are soldiers who report sexual assaults in the military still seen as betraying their comrades?” I asked Smith.

    “Our soldiers are being fully trained that sexual assault is the most under-reported crime,” she wrote in reply. “In that training, not reporting a sexual assault is the betrayal to their comrades.”

    Back in real life, Pickett watched several of her friends try to report sexual harassment and assault since the 2005 reforms, and she said that none of them were sent a victim’s advocate, a counselor or a chaplain. “These women are turning perpetrators in and they’re not getting anyone to speak on their behalf,” she told me. “There’s no one sitting in that room with you, so you’re feeling all alone.” In the end, she added, it boils down to the woman’s word vs. the man’s, and he is the one with the advocate, not her.

    Meanwhile, the studies I have cited, along with the other past and present studies of veterans, who feel freer to talk than soldiers because they are out of the military, show that women soldiers are suffering post-traumatic stress disorder as a consequence of military sexual abuse. All soldiers with PTSD come home to some combination of sleeplessness, nightmares, bursts of temper, flashbacks, panic attacks, fear and an inability to cope with everyday life. They often turn to drugs or alcohol for escape. Some become depressed, others commit suicide. Many are too emotionally numb to relate to their families or children. But those who have been sexually assaulted also lose their self-respect, feel they have lost control over their lives, and are particularly prone to self-destruction.

    I have yet to meet an Iraq war veteran of either sex who does not suffer from some form of post-traumatic stress disorder, but officially the number of Iraq veterans with PTSD is estimated to be about 30 percent for those newly back from war, according to a 2004 study of combat veterans in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    The extent and severity of PTSD in women who have had to cope with both combat and sexual assault in Iraq is still being studied, but as it is known that these are two of the highest predictors of PTSD, it is logical to assume that the combination is pretty bad. “When you are sexually assaulted by people who are your comrades, PTSD can be worse than in other circumstances,” said Paula Shnurr, a research professor of psychiatry who conducted a new Veterans Administration study of therapy for women veterans with PTSD, published last week in the Journal of the American Medical Association. “You feel incompetent and helpless, like children feel when abused by the very people who are supposed to look after them,” Schnurr told me. “The people you depend on have attacked you.”

    I am not claiming that sexual persecution is universal in the military, or that it is inevitable. Several soldiers I interviewed told me that if a commander won’t tolerate the mistreatment of women, it will not happen, and studies back this up. Jennifer Hogg, 25, who was a sergeant in the Army’s National Guard, said her company treated her well because she had a commander who wouldn’t permit the mistreatment of women. But another National Guard soldier, Demond Mullins, 25, who served with the infantry in Iraq for a year, from 2004 to ’05, told me that although there were no problems in his unit he heard from his commanders that there were rapes in other units in his camp. “One time a woman was taking a shower late, and guys went and held the door closed so she couldn’t get out, while one guy went in to rape her,” he said.

    While commanders of some units are apparently less vigilant about policing rape, others engage in it themselves, a phenomenon known in the military as “command rape.” Because the military is hierarchical, and because soldiers are trained to obey and never question their superiors, men of rank can assault their juniors with impunity. In most cases, women soldiers are the juniors, 18 to 20 years old, and are new to the military and war, thus vulnerable to bullying and exploitation.

    Callie Wight, a psychosocial counselor in women veterans’ health in Los Angeles, has been treating women who were sexually assaulted in the military for the past 11 years. In all that time, she told me, she has only seen a handful of cases where a woman reported an assault to her commander with any success in getting the assailant punished. “Most commanders dismiss it,” she said. A nine-month study of military rape by the Denver Post in 2003 found that nearly 5,000 accused military sex offenders had avoided prosecution since 1992.

    At the moment, the most shocking case of military sexual assault is that of Army Spc. Suzanne Swift, 21, who served in Iraq in 2004. Swift was coerced into sex by one commanding officer, which is legally defined as rape by the military, and harassed by two others before she finally broke rank and told. As a result, the other soldiers treated her like a traitor for months.

    Unable to face returning to the assailant, she went AWOL during a leave at home, and was arrested and put in jail for desertion. At first the Army offered her a deal: It would reduce her punishment if Swift would sign a statement saying that she had never been raped. She refused, saying she wouldn’t let the Army force her to lie.

    The Army court-martialed Swift, and stripped her of her rank. She spent December in prison and was then sent to Fort Irwin in the Mojave Desert, far away from her family. She must stay in the Army for two more years, and may face redeployment. The men who assaulted her received nothing but reprimanding letters.

    Swift’s mother, Sara Rich, has set up a Web site with a petition calling for her daughter’s release: More than 6,700 veterans and soldiers have signed it, and 102 of them signed their names to stories of their own sexual persecution in the military.

    Swift’s case, and those of her petitioners, illustrate the real attitude of the military toward women and sexual assault, the one that underlies its fancy Web site and claims that it supports soldiers who’ve been raped.

    The real attitude is this: If you tell, you are going to get punished. The assailant, meanwhile, will go free.

    Which brings up an issue that lies at the core of every soldier’s heart: comradeship.

    It is for their comrades that soldiers enlist and reenlist. It is for their “battle buddies” that they risk their lives and put up with all the miseries of sandstorms, polluted water, lack of sanitation, and danger. Soldiers go back to Iraq, even if they’ve turned against the war, so as not to let their buddies down. Comradeship is what gets men through war, and is what has always got men through war. You protect your battle buddy, and your battle buddy protects you.

    As an Iraq veteran put it to me, “There’s nobody you love like you love a person who’s willing to take a bullet for you.”

    So how does this work for women? A few find buddies among the other women in their squads, but for most there are no other women, so their battle buddies are men. Some of these men are trustworthy. Many are not.

    How can a man who pressures you for sex every day, who treats you like a prostitute, who threatens or punishes you if you refuse him, or who actually attacks you, be counted on to watch your back in battle?

    “Battle buddy bullshit,” said García from the Military Police. “I didn’t trust anybody in my company after a few months. I saw so many girls get screwed over, the sexual harassment. I didn’t trust anybody and I still don’t.”

    If this is a result of the way women are treated in the military, where does it leave them when it comes to battle camaraderie? I asked soldier after soldier this, and they all gave me the same answer:

    Alone.

    • kitti

      You really have a negative focus on everything. What you are describing is not the norm.

      The war is not illegal because there are isolated situations like this.

      as far as casualties, if women are on active duty, they can get hurt like the men.

      The vast majority of the men are decent, and fighting for their country.

      This is a volunteer army, not a group of drafted misfits.

      Men soldiers have PTSD also.

      I still support the troops, and their cause there.

      If they were not there, you and I would be bowing to Allah right now, or getting our heads cut off.

      • I experienced the same harassment when I was in the Navy. I finally went to the chaplain who “pulled strings” in washington because even he stated that I was in danger. I was out immediately. There is more to it…I knew too much about a certain situation which only added to the already present issues…suffice it to say, I was honorably discharged and given the GI Bill to shut me up. I only served 2 years and you don’t get the GI bill unless you complete 4 years. When I questioned why I was receiving the money despite my completing a full term, I was told to cash it and keep quiet.

        Even tho women and men are fighting “together” against a common enemy…unfortunately, the women are having to fight within their own ranks. It is the 21st century and women are still treated BADLY within their armed forces.

        • more controls are needed……so it does not evolve from isolated events to all over the armed forces.

          maybe if the women were not so liberated, and contained within Women groups, like the WACS or WAVES, and not mingled in with the men, it would be better.

          There should also be female commanders around for women to go to.

          • Female commanders would help. And more required classes that educate everyone on what is appropriate behavior and what isn’t and what the consequences are for those who cross the line.

            What helped me was finding out that the Chaplain outranked the highest officer. As well as a few Master Chiefs that were G-d fearing officers and who had daughters’ my age. :)

            • there is no excuse for any of that type of behavior.

              This is a dangerous world and …..

              Soldiers should be protecting each other, not harming or harassing each other.

              • These are not isolated incidents. They are the norm. I am a Viet Era vet. Marine Corps. I was and still am friends with a much younger disgruntled, angry former Captain, who calls himself an ex-Marine and means it. The kind of trash and intimidation going is protected criminality.
                Abu Ghraib, just like My Lai massacres are going on all over. The Abu gang got caught and it will increase as perverts are treated as minority class citizens. Talk about “emboldened”. In Luxembourg in ’86 I knew an aristocratic gay former Dutch Legionnaire who was sexually abused in Thailand where his family vacationed. They were in some diplomatic service. His abuser was an American army officer who was “taking care of him”. This was during Nam and the officer was there for R&R. NOW! It is taking place in just as brazen a way for the the American troops as well. A pervert Army. Women now are in unprotected man holes of “sacred duty”. Well. This is New Sodom you know. Get thy head out of thy posterior. The circus is over and the carnival is owned by Satan, Inc. You people live in such denial. Uncle Sam works security for “the firm” and has recently gotten a pay cut. Now we must fight for firms and interests that are spoon fed to you bozos of the church as “fighting terrorism”. Spare me. There are reasons why people of other cultures hate us. We did it the old way! We earned it. :)) Sad. But humor is the savior of the bitter. We then become smiling cynics. Well, at least I am honest. How about you predators of the American lie?
                You know it all makes sense. JAG groups, especially Army are notorious for homosexual sex. Have been for years. Those guys are the establishment homos. Heterosexual intimidation will follow suit to all this neo-tolerance like a cockroach follows the smell of humans. Next for the military is “pedophiles considered normal by Admiral Lock and Load. Says it’s time for the military to break some new ground…blah, blah, bulllahahablah..blah…” Yeh, and the cry will go up from Sodom once again. And we are in for another humbling. Oh we are going to be dealt with.

  23. Fair enough Marianne.

    You have good responses. I wish I was more positive. That’s really what Jesus wants us to be. (I don’t believe I would be bowing to Allah or getting my head cut off if our troops weren’t there)

    I should have read some of those articles more closely, I posted. They’re socialist. I’m surprised you didn’t point it out. Thank You! I do like to look at both sides.

    I just want people to be educated, to question and to research things.

    Don’t accept what I say or anyone else. Find out for yourself.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/shaffer8.html

    Here some web sites to check out:

    Just follow the links. That’s what I did.

    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Henry_Makow

    Henry Makow

    FEMINISM IS GENOCIDE. PORNOGRAPHY IS COMMUNISM. THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS GAY.

    The man himself.
    Henry Makow✡ is a man with a lot to say, who makes a lot of bold claims about the IRL world that he often can’t back up, citing evidence of a conspiracy but offering no proof. Hailing from Canada, and being rather old, he gives the impression of being a wise old man who would give advice to young males in today’s politically correct world given that he has been around for a long while. His views, rather right-wing in nature, purport that there is an “Illuminati conspiracy outlined in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and that this is real and is destroying our world as we know it. Yes.

    This coming from a Jewish person.

    His website, which was formerly savethemales.ca, often contains lulzy articles about how the reshaping of society is occuring by this ruling elite, and he claims to be “exposing feminism and the new world order”. Therefore, the articles are a bizarre mixture of New World Order shit of the David Icke variety and how women are behaving in such an immoral way and should get out of the workplace, back in the kitchen and get pregnant and married and generally be subordinate to men in every way (however Makow does not endorse Simon Sheppard’s website – source). It is thought that at least 99% of his readers are sexually frustrated male college students, who are not getting laid due to the virtue of the fact that they are reading Henry Makow’s website and will thus be never as good as this. Still, he’s better than a Zionist-sponsored fake conspiracy theorist cunt like Alex Jones who exists to draw people off the scent.

    Henry Makow was born in Switzerland to Jew immigrant parents who had escaped the Holocaust. He had an advice column in newspapers in the Sixties which his parents’ connections managed to get him called Ask Henry. Later in the 80s he made mega bucks from creating his own board game called Scruples. He also has got a P.h.D. in English literature, although many of his articles are written with one sentence per paragraph rather like a tabloid newspaper for the uneducated proletariat, only the content is different. Very different indeed to what you would find, in, say, one of Rupert Murdoch’s publications, as he is obviously an agent of the international mind control agenda.
    Despite his right-wing views, Henry Makow is not a white supremacist. Being Jewish, how could he possibly be? One of his main works is A Long Way To Go For A Date, his book about how Western, white women are not suitable marriage partners for Western, white males because they have no respect for men and are more likely to sleep with niggers. In this book, Henry Makow goes to the Philippines and finds a nice young Filipino loli to stick his cock in. He advises that all white males do the same by following his example, but later he divorced her and goes back on that and is now willing to defend “positive racism”.

    He says that his life up until about age 50 was ruined by assuming that the feminist, liberal way of life that is pretty much mandatory nowadays (missing his chance to have a family), and that the “New World Order” seeks the destruction of heterosexuality and the family in order to implement a “depopulation agenda”. This is already happening of course in Europe where they have a fertility rate of about 1.5 children per woman, so they have to import Muslims and Africans in order to pay for the pensions of old baby boomers who believed in the utopian, liberal, hippie ideologies that were spoonfed to them in the Sixties as part of this depopulation agenda which seeks to have Europe, racially speaking, look something like Brazil in 100 years time, because the Zionists want to promote miscegenation, homosexuality, casual sex, the destruction of the family and things like that because they don’t like ordinary white people and generally want them to disappear as fast as possible and be replaced by African negroes. As an atypical, anti-Zionist Jew, Henry Makow realises this and sees how destructive it is. Makow reviewed a book called The Culture of Critique by an academic called Kevin MacDonald which basically says that Jews out-compete non-Jews for resources in today’s Western world and pretty much agreed with it.
    Recently the Canadian Jewish Congress filed a lolsuit against Henry Makow for ‘defamation’. It’s extremely ironic that the son of Holocaust survivors would be accused of stirring up racial hatred (“stirring up” being a stupid expression that the lawmakers like to use; is racial hatred a flavour of soup?) against Jews. However it’s thought that Makow won the case.

    http://www.savethemales.ca/000180.html

    http://www.savethemales.ca/000185.html

    http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html

    http://www.savethemales.ca/000585.html

    http://www.savethemales.ca/200202.html

    http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html

    http://www.savethemales.ca/150801.html

    http://www.yourtango.com/201087202/women-without-kids-80-percent-30-years-ago

    http://davidswanson.org/warisalie

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22305

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EXI/is_2_18/ai_73063458/

    http://www.think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega29.htm

    • (I don’t believe I would be bowing to Allah or getting my head cut off if our troops weren’t there)

      Hey Kitti,

      Our military presence has definitely deterred the above.

  24. All-Female U.S. Marines Battalion

    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/All-Female-US-Marines-Battalion/ss/events/us/120910fetmarines#photoViewer=/ydownload_getty/20101209/photos_net_web_yn/1291918299

  25. Lyndsey;
    I don’t agree. I think we are fueling it. The belief and the instinct might have been there all along, but we poured Gasoline on it.

    Did Muslims create Aids Virus in a laboratory and vaccinate the gay community and then the black community in Africa with it?

    Did the Muslims put Anthrax in the mail?

    Do you want me to list all the biological terrorism in the world that is going on? Do the Muslims want to mircrochip you? Do they want to control the food supply? Did the Muslims create the detention camps to put people when they rebel when Martial Law is declared?

    I forgot, all this surveilance is there to keep us safe. Give me a break.

    Sometimes I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall on this blog. No matter how many videos, links, facts etc I post you you guys stick with the same propaganda. That’s what it is.

    Give me some facts and details about Arab and Muslim population in the U.S.

    There are approximately 3 million Arabs in the U.S. and 75% of them are Christian. Generally speaking, the Muslim Arabs didn’t start to come to the U.S. until the late 1960s. There are about 7 million Muslims in the U.S., about 40% are African American and the other 60% are a mix of immigrants, primarily from Southeast Asian and the Arab World.

    Arabs have been in the U.S. since the Revolutionary War, but the heaviest influx of Arabs, primarily Lebanese and Syrian, started coming in the early part of the last century and they were Christian Arabs. Arabs that came in the late 1960s were more largely Muslim. The Christian Arabs who first came were mainly escaping religious persecution, and the Muslims who came later were dealing with the growing instability in the region, such as civil wars.

  26. http://aidsbiowar.com/page1.htm

  27. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Iwa-lSVqA1M&vq=medium

  28. THE FINAL INSPECTION

    The Soldier stood and faced God,
    Which must always come to pass.
    He hoped his shoes were shining,
    Just as brightly as his brass..

    ‘Step forward now, Soldier ,
    How shall I deal with you?
    Have you always turned the other cheek?
    To My Church have you been true?’
    The soldier squared his shoulders and said,
    ‘No, Lord, I guess I ain’t.
    Because those of us who carry guns,
    Can’t always be a saint.

    I’ve had to work most Sundays,
    And at times my talk was tough.
    And sometimes I’ve been violent,
    Because the world is awfully rough.

    But, I never took a penny,
    That wasn’t mine to keep…
    Though I worked a lot of overtime,
    When the bills got just too steep.

    And I never passed a cry for help,
    Though at times I shook with fear..
    And sometimes, God, forgive me,
    I’ve wept unmanly tears.

    I know I don’t deserve a place,
    Among the people here.
    They never wanted me around,
    Except to calm their fears

    If you’ve a place for me here, Lord,
    It needn’t be so grand.
    I never expected or had too much,
    But if you don’t, I’ll understand.

    There was a silence all around the throne,
    Where the saints had often trod.
    As the Soldier waited quietly,
    For the judgment of his God.

    ‘Step forward now, you Soldier,
    You’ve borne your burdens well.
    Walk peacefully on Heaven’s streets,
    You’ve done your time in Hell.’

    Author Unknown~

    It’s the Soldier, not the reporter
    Who has given us the freedom of the press.

    It’s the Soldier, not the poet,
    Who has given us the freedom of speech.

    It’s the Soldier, not the politicians
    That ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness..

    It’s the Soldier who salutes the flag,
    Who serves beneath the flag,
    And whose coffin is draped by the flag.

    If you care to offer the smallest token of recognition and appreciation for
    the Military, please pass this on and pray for our men and women
    who have served and are currently serving our country and pray for those
    who have given the ultimate sacrifice for freedom….

    THESE COLORS DON’T RUN

    AMEN!

    WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!
    God Bless Our Military

  29. I appreciate your support for the American troops who are not to blame for the hideous situation they are in. You are partly correct in that the media does not communicate the true reality of war, however the American presence in Iraq is not about saving Iraquis. More American troops who were in Iraq have now killed themselves than were actually killed in Iraq. Please watch this clip of American soldiers sharing their experiences and perhaps you will understand a little more about what’s going on.

  30. rachel

    American soldiers are responsible for their own decisions and actions. It is not American policy to dehumanize civilians. And those who testified that they saw destroyed buildings did not say they saw American troops do this.

    There is an enemy in Iraq who believes in destroying buildings and people. We are there to stop them. Sometimes, we can’t. We get there too late.

    People act like only American soldiers are there, and all the destruction is due to them. This is really ignorant. Islamic terrorists are very eager to claim the destruction they create. There is no sense in claiming we did something that they actually did.

    Many of the civilians are actually combatants. The terrorists do not wear uniforms to distinguish them from civilians. The Muslim culture is not like ours. They believe in equipping children with guns and having them fight. This is a monstrous thing to do. No matter what the age, someone with a gun in dangerous. A soldier has the choice of being killed or shooting back. This is war. People will be killed.

    Also, civilians harbor the terrorists in their buildings. There is no difference between a terrorist with a gun and someone who protects them.

    This whiny video acts like having terrorists kill Americans is ok, but it is not ok to kill back, to stop them. people die in war. Americans try to avoid civilians. They do not intentionally target them. This is the opposite approach Islamic terrorists take. They want to kill civilians and then blame the Americans for the death. They live to die. It is glory to them.

    If the extremist Muslims were not killing the people of Iraq, we would not be there to begin with. As the soldiers admit, they could not tell who was safe and who was not, because over there, everyone is brainwashed and dangerous.

    Terrorists also use their children and families for human shields. It may be very possible that a terrorist would be found with children and family, and have to be dragged out of the house. this is the cowardice of them, to hide behind the innocent. This dragging out is not humiliation. This is justice.

    What you see in the video is a transfer of blame, from those who are truly evil to those who are trying to stop the evil.

    These who testified have obviously fallen victim to propaganda and are now spreading it. They cannot see the reality of who started this, and who is evil anymore. They let their emotions rule, rather than facts. That is unfortunate that they do not have the intelligence to see they are being brainwashed also.

    These people perceptions are so screwed up. We invaded because of necessity. The terrorists were already having a civil war with each other. They were already killing each other. We went to stop that and save the civilians, not kill them. We are not occupiers. We came and rebuilt Iraq after Saddam destroyed so much. WE built hospitals, schools, homes, oil fields that Saddam set on fire, we gave out military and financial aid, and trained the people to fight the terrorists themselves.

    We did not come to take their country. WE did not start that war. AL Queda started the war on terror, not us, and we have the right to pursue them. You are missing the true goal, which is terror and death to enemies, of Islam. These ignorant soldiers are tools of propaganda for some liberal agenda. They have been exploited for political purposes. I saw the same thing happen 40 years ago regarding Vietnam.

    Invading Iraq was constitutionally correct. We had just cause.

  31. I’m curious, does god prefer atomic weapons to conventional bombs? Where does god stand on the use of depleted uranium or white phosphorous? Does god condone the use of shock and awe? How about carpet bombing?

    These and other questions plague me because I seem to recall that god gave tablets to Moses saying “Thou shalt not kill”.

    • sometimes those weapons are necessary when the enemy attacks first……unless you think it is ok to just submit to abuse and being slaughtered

      • Forgive me for being out of the loop the last six months. So, what you’re saying is that god really didn’t mean it when he said thou shalt no kill. He was pulling Moses’s leg. What he meant to say is thou shalt not kill unless you (W) want to further your interests in the gulf by convincing the gullible American public, reeling in the aftermath of 9/11, that another group of Muslims (whom you (W) later admit had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no connection with Al Qaeda) had fictitious WMDs and were going to use those fictitious weapons against us.

        God help the good-hearted, naive Americans who think they are doing god’s work by slaughtering hundreds of thousands of muslims in his name.

        Marianne, I hope you never come to grips with how much harm you and your gullible, nonsensically patriotic buffoons have perpetrated on this planet.

        • rick

          the same god that said thou shall not murder, ( not thou shall not “kill”) also told the Israelites to kill off ALL the canaanites when they entered the land, in order to possess it.

          God has many times given orders to kill off wicked people because they defiled the earth. Once he did it by himself, and this was the great flood of Noah’s time, when God had no issue of killing off all the deviant and perverse people who honored satan rather than him.

          those same canaanites and their brood are still there causing trouble because the Israelites did not do completely as they were told

          AL queda committed 911….and has admitted it… it does not matter what internet gossip says.

          WMDS were moved to Syria. There were witnesses. This occurred in the 6 month delay before the war started…they were still hoping to find some still there…..

          https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/the-syria-wmd-conspiracy/

          I hope you understand the harm there is covering up for Islamic terrorists.

          Evil is evil, and if a terrrorist comes in my yard to harm my family, I will shoot him, no matter how much you like him, and think I am wrong.

  32. I wonder if i could meet a soldier face to face so i could tell him/her how thankful i am that they would risk their lives for me :)

  33. Marianne, no one likes terrorists except other terrorists. If a terrorist came onto my property intent on harming my family, of course I would do anything to stop him/her.

    Satan is the symbol for the enemy, those that seek to harm us, control us and steal our riches.

    God is no more than a symbol for our imagined protector and benefactor. The paternal figure whom we have created to make us feel that we are not alone in this vast, unknowable universe.

    I gather that you are a person of faith. You have a right to your faith. You do not have the right to slaughter innocents.

    All of that nonsense about WMDs in Syria is hogwash, propaganda invented by empire builders to excuse their irresponsible, devilish invasion of Iraq and the reckless murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

    It was all about the oil and the hegemony of the USA in the Gulf. Research all of the oil contracts that multinationals have signed with the Iraqi government and the semi-illegal Kurdish government in the north where much of the untapped oil fields lie. Getting rid of Saddam threw the doors open to predatory oil companies, headed by the wealthiest few who will be wealthier still.

    The price for this fabulous gain for the global elite was paltry: a few hundred thousand Muslims, and the lives and limbs of American soldiers.

    “And God looked down and saw that it was good.”

    • the Muslims there kill each other….they have been killing each other for centuries before we ever went there…we try to stop it.

      but we will leave soon, and they will continue to kill each other….

      sadaam was a butcher who terrorized his own people…..

      he used to put humans into meat grinders feet first just to hear them scream….and then he made his boys watch and get used to it, so they would learn to be like him.

      think what you want…you get your opinions from the opinions posted on the internet.

      even the bible says God will kill most of the middle east arab population.

      so they are not innocent to him

  34. You are sadly mistaken regarding our “great success” in the mid-east. Over 1.5 million Iraqis lost in this bloodshed. Not to mention the sanctions that killed countless numbers of infants, sick people, and elderly during the Clinton Regime.
    This is no success at all. Universities and colleges existed in the ancient nation of what is now known as Iraq. An English colonial invention and under Saddam Hussein Iraq was bolstered and Hussein was aided and given his WMD’s by the “Christian” U.S. and leaders of confusion like Ronald Reagan. Rumsfeld practically kissed Saddam when they were readying the engine of war and giving him “God’s Blessing” on fighting Iran.
    Later in 1991, Bush Sr. actually ok’d his invasion of Iraq but turned on his word when the perverse U.S. protected Saudis and that Brit witch the Iron Lady objected to Iraq’s take over of it’s own ancient land. Which is no different than Israel’s “right of return”.
    Your so-called heroes are sad to say, nothing short of Nazis. You have a land that is becoming already a Fascist state. it’s your’s. Under a “christian” president of the Bush Dynasty your constitution was ripped by the younger Bush of that horrid oil guzzling blood line. Another “christian”. Patriot Act George. “Bring ‘em on!” Yes G-Pilot. Like the Viet Era. Flying over TX.
    Under the Bush Invasion of Iraq civilians were intimidated and murdered and just one of the proofs of this extravaganza of blood is that this war of vengeance birthed the highest number of suicides among your glorious God sent army, per capita of any war preceding it. If this duty was so blessed and beautiful and humane, it would not have produced this disgrace. Your rum dumb church blessed this ugly thing and you just can’t face it can you? Your little Larry down the street is probably living a multiple personality life thanks to your government run church and your paid mouthpieces called preachers.
    Also, this excrement about the liberal press being so anti-military. Forget it. That old dog can’t even get up to eat anymore let alone hunt. So stupid. The bipartisan support for that war was endless. CNN, New York Times were no different than the “conservative” press, if there really is any. You could have run that game during the Nam lie, but “liberal bias” is a joke when it comes to war and conquest. They all come together. Your pictures of our brave armies are nothing more than propaganda photo ops.
    Yeh, we always bomb the living hell out of people and “rebuild their infrastructure” later and we pick their new leaders and we institute worse regimes than were there before. As long as the new death squads work with us. You know, this Christianity of yours just does the limbo to fit everything into this jumbled box of entertainment. Your shame for the church pours out of all and every 5K kg. of bananas your stuffing in a milk container.
    You seem to forget that if we were in the old west establishing God’s kingdom you’d be selling pictures of God’s Cavalry. Yes, knowing your ilk, you’d be posting pictures of the “The brave U.S. Calvary rebuilding Native lands and building schools! Yes! Praise God! Yes, and building churches and roads and giving our subjects Christian educations, and fulfilling the destiny of our new Zion.” When I see this ooorah’ crud, I realize you all have not changed one stupid bit. A joke your Jesus is. He’s not mine. We’ll find out who’s the real. I use a KJV and a Geneva. One says basically not to support tyrants. You do. Yes, you do. The American wonderland Christianity. An anti-christ church for an anti-christ impostor.

    • the shiites and sunnis have been fighting and killing for thousands of years without our help.

      We were there to stop them.

      they will continue the bloodshed long after we leave.

    • There is some truth to some of what Distressed Seven has written. There is also a lot missing from their post.

      Suddam was sending $20,000 to Hamas for each Jewish murder. That is terrorism. Everyone, including the UN thought Suddam had/made BIO, and Chem weapons.

      UN Sanctions were on going for 10 years. They didn’t work. Am I glad we went in? No. Did a lot of people get killed? Yes? Why did we go in?

      Some say it was over BIO/Chem weapons, terrorism, and oil. Wars have been fought over energy before, and may be the reason for the next war. However, it appears to me now there is much more going on, and it is a ten year plan. See Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc… to get an idea of what is happening in the Middle East.

      The United States Church? There is no such Church. Therefore, war is not supported by any Christian Church. Members of the military are supported by their Churches.

      A lot of those who are part of the Tip of the Spear have had the ROE cause them to lose members. Rules of enguagement. That is the reason for so many wounded, and dead Americans.

      Those within Islam have been murdering each other before we got there, and will continue to so after we leave. We should have just supplied both sides, and stepped back rather than invade.

      What happened 200 years ago is not the same as today. 90% of the native population of North, and South America died by the flu. cold, small pox, and chicken pox. Should anyone be forced to be a Christian? Most of the time I would say no, but in the case of Islam I am torn.

      The members of the American military follow their orders. They do not make them.

  35. When an empire like the USA (troops stationed in more than 120 countries) spends more than a trillion dollars and sacrifices the lives and limbs of tens of thousands of servicemen, that empire is acting in its own self-interest, particularly in the self-interest of the wealthy corporate elite who stand to gain the most from such a venture.

    Only the terminally naive believe that the corporate elite has an ounce of sympathy for the plight of the Iraqi people, cursed to find themselves living in a parched desert atop a sea of oil and next to the Gulf of Hormuz through which most of the world’s oil and natural gas are shipped.

  36. Mark my words: when peace and freedom come to Afghanistan and Iraq, you will find any one of these: McDonalds, Nike, Burger King, Subway, internet, Microsoft Windows, Visa, Mastercard, American sitcoms, Hollywood movies etc. Where will the money go? To the USA. That is how the USA makes money from liberating other countries and imposing democracy on them. Americans are very good at doing business. The more countries get liberated, the more the USA will earn. The trouble with having the USA as your friend is when you decide to go your own way (look up the Freedom Fries incident).
    The USA has set a standard. You may not know, but in many third world countries girls use all sorts of creams to become white, Asian girls undergo eye surgery to obtain a Western look etc. All this is done to meet the international standards of beauty, set by the USA. We all know that our kids look up to movie heroes & stuff because we were kids ourselves. Just like we used to dress like Superman as a kid, so do Asian girls want to have the same eyes, lips and dress as Scarlett Johansson. No more traditional dresses.
    Traditions in other countries make place for the American dream. Guess where the money goes. In third world countries like the Philippines and Indonesia all youth know McDonald’s better than their own culture. Those countries stay poor, but the USA definitely profits from McDonald’s abroad. There is so much that Americans don’t know about foreign countries just because they expect other countries to meet the USA standards. I used to work at McDonald’s located at the airport when I was a student. Regularly I had to deal with Americans complaining that they can’t use credit cards in my country, just because they find it so normal to use creditcards in McDonald’s in the USA. Americans set the standard in the world. Today it is possible to use credit cards at McDonald’s at the airport so that Americans feel more comfortable when they are far away from home. As a world citizen I feel that many countries are in fact just the backyard of the USA. US Military invasion increases this effect.

    Let’s turn the tables. How would Americans feel if China had so much influence in America? Chinese would become a world language, when you walk in New York you will find Chinese characters everywhere you go, Chinese restaurants, Chinese TV shows, Chinese credit cards etc. When you buy a computer in the USA you first have to change the language from Chinese to English. When you buy a new TV you first have to change the language in the configuration menu from Chinese to English. Would Americans accept that?

    Perhaps now you understand why some people object against America invading their countries. With invasion I do not refer to military invasion alone, but also stuff like exporting Hollywood movies, McDonalds etc to other countries. Export in itself is not bad, but there is no balance anymore.

    • jonathan

      I understand your concerns, but I do not see a Macdonald’s anytime soon in Iraq or Afganistan.

      If America DOES establish business there, it would hire local people who would finally have a job, and make some money.

      in fact, there would be more locals with jobs, and less americans with jobs, so the local economy would do better than the american economy.

      As far as the company making a profit, that is necessary for business so operating costs can be met. A business is not a charity.

      There is then the opportunity for local people to improve themselves and buy a franchise, and make their own profits.

      if china did this to the USA, and I actually think it will, we will have to adapt, in order to have a job.

      • Hello Marianne, that’s a fast reply! :)
        I did not say that McDonald’s will appear anytime soon in Iraq or Afghanistan. I’m trying to say that IF peace comes to those countries some day, then foreign American businesses will emerge soon to catch up with the rest of the world.
        You said that companies make profits so that operating costs can be met. Do you know how much money Bill Gates has earned? He could have lowered the prices of Windows XP, yet he chose to maintain very high prices. This has nothing to do with covering operating costs. I understand that businesses are not charities, but this is what I call wealth and not covering operating costs. Same thing with McDonald’s.

        As far as McDonald’s is concerned: they will surely hire locals, that is absolutely true. But any McDonald’s franchise will eventually pay money to the mother concern in the USA. The whole purpose of foreign franchises is for the mother concern in the USA to earn more money by international expansion. That goes far beyond “covering operating costs”.

        What really concerns me about the USA is that they make enemies all over the world. After that they take down the enemies and the USA will emerge as the hero. How come so many countries and terrorists want to attack the USA? Is it because the USA is a super power or big country? No, because China, Russia, Canada and Australia are also big countries yet they do not have to deal with so many foreign terrorists. So there has to be a different reason why the USA is targeted by terrorists. I believe the reason has something to do with the attitude of the USA to meddle in foreign affairs. You have to agree with me that it is highly unusual for countries on the other side of the globe to aim their weapons at the USA. If I live in New York, it would be highly unusual for someone in California to come to my house to attack me “without provocation”. That’s not normal. False flag attacks are not unusual for the USA. The USA is the only country with that many military personnel stationed in so many foreign countries. Many times has it happened that countries feel spied upon because of US military presence in neighbouring countries. All those examples can be a spark for war, started by the USA. If my country puts 20 thousand military personnel in Canada at the border with the USA ‘to make the world a safer place’, then I think the USA will get suspicious as well. The relationship with the USA is a one way street. Just like Bush used to say: “the USA and the rest of the world”. He means the USA and its backyard.

        • jonathan

          Muslim terrorists attacked us because we are an ally of Israel.

          So we attacked back.

          Any foreign country has the right and opportunity in their own country to start businesses and charge what they want. We are not stopping them.

          US troops are stationed in different countries , yes to protect american interests, but also there are agreements that we are there to help protect that country.

          • “Muslim terrorists attacked us because we are an ally of Israel.”

            My answer: that’s exactly what I mean. The USA meddles in other people’s conflicts. After the USA becomes part of the conflict they complain of terrorist attacks. That’s not fair. If you have trouble with your neighbour and I travel to the USA to help you out, then I have to accept that I might get in serious trouble. If your neighbour shoots me in the leg, then it’s not correct to say “your neighbour started shooting so this whole conflict is his fault”. Any decent judge would say that I chose to become part of the conflict, right?
            Same thing with the USA. The USA chose to be part of the conflict in the Middle East. That’s the reason why they support Israel. If the USA wants to help Israel, then they have to accept that they will run into some terrorists.

            It is exactly what I mean by “the USA creates conflicts all over the world, then they claim that they solved it. USA emerges as the big hero”.

            Another example: Vietnam. In the Vietnam war, the USA claimed that they were fighting against vietcong terrorists. At some point the USA retreated from the Vietnam war BEFORE the war ended. Where did those terrorists go? Are they still there? Yes, they are still alive. How can those terrorists disappear after the USA retreats? After the USA stopped fighting, the terrorists put down their weapons. Same thing is going on in Iraq. There were no car bombs when Saddam was in charge. Yet after the USA started meddling in Iraq, suddenly car bombs appear all over the place. I bet that those terrorists will stop after the USA leaves. Same thing in Afghanistan. That’s what I mean: the USA creates war in other countries which are not truly necessary. Becoming part of the conflict makes the conflict more complex.

            • jonathan

              many countries “meddle,” including yours. WE are invited into countries usually, asked to come to protect the people or government there

              • It is the USA who asks other countries to ‘meddle’. And the USA does not accept no for an answer. For example, the USA asked France to help in Afghanistan. France has no business there and declined. After that came the Freedom Fries incident. Just like Bush said: either you’re with us, or you are against us. In other words: France is not allowed to mind its own business.

                Friendship with the USA is a one way street. Criticism not allowed.
                Really.

                • the French are cowards, and were one of three countries, France, Germany and Russia, who held back from Iraq because they had oil deals with sadaam hussein….and did not want to lose oil benefits…it had nothing to do with “minding one’s own business”

                  now the french have the “rewards” for their loyalty…they have an unruly muslim population now (60.9 million) that is taking over the country there., trying to impose their laws and way of life on the rest of the population.

  37. Marianne,

    Your justification for invading Iraq is that “Muslims” attacked the USA. In your world, I guess, all Muslims are the same.

    If Sri Lankan Hindu Tamil Tiger terrorists (the first suicide bombers) had attacked the USA would you have supported the invasion of India, a largely Hindu nation?

    If Catholic IRA terrorist had attacked the USA would we, a predominantly Protestant country, have been justified attacking, say, Italy, or Brazil, the world’s most Catholic country?

    On 9/11 the USA was attacked by radical Sunni Muslims, 15 of who were from Saudi Arabia a strong USA ally; 2 were from the United Arab Republic, another strong USA ally; 1 was from Egypt, along with Israel the two largest recipients of USA foreign aid; 1 was from Lebanon, one of the USA’a allies in West Asia; the 20th was probably a Moroccan, imprisoned in Minnesota at the time of the attacks.

    No Iraqis.

    Who did we invade?

    Iraq.

    Why?

    Weapons of mass destruction, of course.

    Did we find weapons of mass destruction?

    No.

    Those who justify the invasion of Iraq claim that Saddam, despite omnipresent satellite observation smuggled hundreds of thousands of tons of WMDs, transported by thousands of 18-wheelers, into Syria, a predominantly Alawi (similar to Shiite and antithetical to Sunni) Muslim country. In the outlandishly remote possibility that that was true, how come those WMDs are not being used by either side in the current Syrian civil conflict?

    What will it take for you to see the truth?

  38. I’ll listen…to facts.

  39. Dear, Distressed, Johnathon. & RD

    You GENTS dont have any respect for your country! More interested in BASHING “W” and corporations. Your demented notion that the USA starts wars for prophet is pure BS. Fact is the USA looses BILLIONS on every WAR, CONFLICT, POLICE ACTION since the establishment of the UNITED NATIONS, aka NWO.

    • wow… seems like you don’t have respect for other people.
      Donald Rumsfeld has $ 2.3 trillion unaccounted for and you want to blame that on the terrorists? The USA loses money because of its own stupidity, not because of other people.

    • Whatever money is lost on war in the short term is made up for on the long term. War is an investment, meaning that it needs to be made profitable somehow.
      10 years of war is a big loss. You are absolutely right. But the next 100 years of McDonalds, Nike, American cable TV, Hollywood movies, internet etc will make up for that. America dropped 2 nuclear bombs in Japan, won the war, and today there are more then 3500 McDonald’s outlets in Japan. You’re telling me that the USA lost more money to Japan than they earned? In Japan you will find so many American stuff, not only McDonald’s. Please do your maths again and tell me if the USA earned or lost money after the war in Japan ON THE LONG RUN. How much money did the USA lose on the long run in Japan? Don’t beat around the bush, just give me a straight answer.

      • USA has always gone into debt for any war engaged to liberate anyone, or to secure anyone.

        “investments” have benefited the foreign companies more than USA

        9.8 % of US public debt is owed to China

        Japan owns 9.6% of US debt…..sounds like Japan and China owns USA, not the other way around

        The USA poured billions into japan and korea after the wars…..we never got anything back out of it…we are still in debt.

        we buy more foreign goods than we export, giving those countries business, helping their economies.

        since you hate america so much, it seems it would be better for you to be on a “hate america” site others who think like you.

        why are you here?

        • Did you see how wyatt treated me disrespectfully? My reply was to him. But of course you are welcome to answer.
          I never said I hate America so much. I am trying to make a clear distinction between facts and fantasies. For example, it is a fact that America helps other countries by sending troops. That itself is NOT BAD at all. Helping others is very good! I also help other people in my spare time. But the world has got so much confidence in America, that if the US president says “Iran is a bad country”, then the world community will split in two. On the one hand you have the good guys, and on the other hand you have the bad guys. Anything else is considered bad as well. In a world like that, all it takes is a spark to start a war. Do you understand what I mean? If I step into a store with a loud speaker and I say “Attention!! The guy with the blue shirt is a rapist!!” then he will stand in a corner with his friends, ready to attack or defend himself. This is the start of a war. There are other ways to arrest a rapist.

          I would not mind if I knew that the USA is always speaking the truth. But it’s things like this which make me lose confidence in the US:
          - so many false flag attacks through out the world.
          - in Afghanistan the US relies on Afghan people to identify terrorists. So if 2 neighbours are angry at each other, one will go to the US soldiers and say “my neighbour’s house over there is full of terrorists”. After that a bomb is thrown by a US aircraft and terrorists be gone. Is that freedom?
          - the USA says that their bombs have great accuracy, yet innocent children are killed by those bombs. The US reactions: in war there are always innocent casualties so it’s not our fault.
          - the US announced that Iraq has WMD and Colin Powell showed mobile laboratories where biological weapons were produced. This was a computer generated drawing, nobody could certainly say if it was true. Iraq DID produce biological weapons!! No doubt about that. But it is wrong to make a fake drawing and claim that they still produce biological weapons AND that they are planning to attack the USA.
          - there was an incident where president Bush said that he will invade the Netherlands if ever the Netherlands decides to prosecute an American soldier. The Netherlands is an ally, not an enemy.
          - the US is very cautious when linking Bin Laden to 9-11. Have a look on the website of the FBI and give them a call to confirm what I’m about to tell you. On the website of the FBI it does not explicitly say that he was wanted for the 9-11 attacks. He was wanted primarily for other attacks.
          - Guantanamo Bay. Since the USA does not want to commit acts against human rights on US soil, they make sure to commit those acts outside of the US. And instead of announcing this beforehand, they keep Guantanamo secret as much as possible. Secrets are for those who have something to hide. I can imagine names of soldiers being secret, but prison camps like Guantanamo have no reason to be secret.
          - Talking about human rights. The US writes human rights reports about other countries, but fails to talk openly about capital punishment on US soil.
          - The USA wants to rule the world, but the president of the world (Obama) should be chosen only by Americans. I thought democracy means that everybody is free to choose their leaders. How would you feel if China is a world leader, but you are not allowed to choose your world leader?
          - it has happened many times that people on death row got released after many years of captivity because it turned out they were innocent. Not just death row but also people in other jails got released after 10 or 20 or even after 40 years of imprisonment. Turned out they were innocent. That’s how American law works.

          All that stuff makes me lose confidence in the USA.
          I’m sorry, but I try very hard to trust the USA. Do you blame me for losing trust? Do you think people should be forced to trust the USA? For example, do you think I should be sent to death row because I lost confidence in the USA?
          Your other question was why I’m here. Well, I don’t know how I got here. Perhaps Google or YouTube. I was not looking for your name in particular.

          • jonathan

            America is not perfect. And I agree that the government here is changing for the worse. and there is a split in the military as some go along with “O” and some oppose him.

            Our soldiers have always been honorable, or attempted to be, in their missions overseas. There are always some renegade soldiers in any group, but they do not represent the whole group. Most are young soldiers with wives and children and they are working to defend their country and the people in other countries. We have set up countless orphanages, hospitals, given out food, etc.

            this post is to support these young troops, who are giving their lives to keep people free,…..it is not to support the government.

            Iraq really had WMD but they were observed moving them to Syria 6 months before the war. The invasion was to see if ALL of them were moved, or there were still some left behind. It was found that they were all moved. The danger is now that if we leave, the weapons will be moved back to Iraq who will use them against Israel, as it has done before, and start WW 3. We technically should be in syria but then we would now be in another country besides AFganistan and Iraq.

            the American people agree that all our soldiers should come home. We are outnumbered, and no matter how many soldiers die, there will always be more enemy combatants to fight. We got rid of sadaam and helped establish a new government. now it is time to go.

            What the american people do not agree with, and agree with you, is where we have gone into Egypt, Yemen, Libya, and now syria……and we are helping the muslim brotherhood instead of fighting it. Billions of dollars and war equipment are being given to our enemies while americans are starving and out of work, and in need of medical care. The reason for this is the regime change here….which I personally did not support or vote for.

            as governments get more evil, we will see more things that are wrong and unfair.

            america is going to fall. the young soldiers I support are coming home wounded and disabled, and the government is treating them as dangerous and possible terrorists. veterans, christians and jews are at the top of the terrorist watch list for the government…. it is like nazi germany all over again.

            I do not support a world government. I think each country should govern themselves as they know their own culture and people best..

            • That’s a nicely balanced answer.
              I did not know that the WMD were moved to Syria 6 months before the war.
              Lots of governments are evil indeed, it’s not only the USA. But most governments are evil towards their own people. Look at Cuba for example and many countries in Africa. Seems like our human roots are chasing us. What will happen next?
              Only time will tell. I truly wonder what this world will look like in 50 years from now.

              • jonathan

                I am curious, if you will tell me. are you religious, christian or secular?

                Israel was spying on them and took aerial pictures and videos
                of the caravan movements. I saw pictures that were published. I guess Israel thought the USA would invade syria instead, but that did not happen, as we ended up in Iraq….confusing?

                I think governments are getting more evil in general….more corrupt which is why there is a currency crisis everywhere…..high level spending of money we do not have, creating debt, crippling the poor tax payer by taking all his money…..waging expensive wars…etc.

                I am not sure we will be here in 50 years.

                • Marianne, I am not religious at all and not Christian.

                  I believe 90% of the trouble about evil governments that you described can be attributed to democracy. Everybody can see that communism is bad, even a 5 year old kid. But it takes very careful analysis to see that:
                  1. Democracy leads to increasing state debts. Every 4 years you have a new president and new government. If the president takes bad decisions based on bad judgement, he will not be punished because it’s normal for people make bad judgements. So he can spend as much money as he likes, hoping that on the long run the debt will be covered. If today Obama says “the USA can afford to go to war in the entire Middle East”, and 6 years from now there will be a big crisis in the USA, then he will not be punished for that future crisis. We all forget about the mistakes made by the previous presidents, for example the increase in debts by Bush.
                  2. Democracy leads to reducing budget deficits which were caused by previous governments. This is hard because we have gotten used to this living standard. Besides reducing budget deficits is an issue for every future government and gets harder as time goes by. You can teach a horse to eat half of his food this year. Every year you reduce the food and it gets harder etc.
                  3. Democracy leads to short term thinking (see item # 1). As long as the budget can be accounted for in the next 4 years, everything is okay. A little debt is acceptable because the next government will take care of that. The next government adds a little extra debt as well etc. Also retirement plans are good examples of short term thinking. Not only in the US, but also in my country retirement is a difficult issue. If Obama decides to set the retirment age at 80 years… big deal. There will be protests, eventually everybody will settle with a retirement age of 75 years. Some grandpa’s will be unhappy, big deal. The younger generation won’t mind. The younger generation is the majority so whatever they say goes. The vote of the majority counts.
                  4. Democracy implies that the majority decides what happens. In other words democracy is dictatorship of the majority. Minorities have to adapt to the wishes of the majorities.
                  5. There will almost certainly not be a revolution in a democracy. If people are unhappy about the government, they get angry at themselves and say “next time I will vote for someone else”. The kind of revolutions where a president is ousted only happens in evil dictatorships.
                  6. Judgement mistakes by the government, especially mistakes that concern the long run, go unpunished in general. See item # 1.
                  7. Democracy does not allow a country to take a single course on the long run. For example, Clinton did not use Gitmo for terrorists, Bush decided to put terrorists in Gitmo, Obama wants to get rid of Gitmo, perhaps the next president wants to expand gitmo. Who knows, there’s no single course.
                  8. Democracy is NO guarantee for freedom! If two wolves and a sheep cast their vote about what they will have for dinner, you can bet that the sheep will lose his freedom. It is possible to have democracy in the Middle East, where men with long beards vote that all women should wear scarfs and become slaves. Women are also allowed to vote. So be it, in name of democracy. But what if some women vote for freedom? They will become the outcast of the democratic society because a big majority does not accept freedom for women. Also, don’t forget that Hitler did participate in democratic elections before he became a dictator. Those elections were no guarantee for freedom.
                  9. Democracy makes you feel as if you are free. You are free to work, free to leave the country, free to do anything. Even free to quit your job. But you MUST pay your debts. Do you remember what happened after slavery was abolished? The slaves were free to quit their jobs. But they had no house, no food, no money. What’s the use of freedom when you don’t have food, money or a house? So the slaves went back to their owners and cut a deal: back to work in exchange for money, food and house. That is how we still live today. The only major difference is that today we have labour unions & stuff which the slaves didn’t have… there are more minor differences, but the essence of the story is that we still give up our freedom from Monday to Friday in exchange for food, shelter and money. Weekends are used to enjoy freedom, do laundry, household, etc and prepare for the next week.

                  This stuff applies to any democratic country. Not only the USA, but the bigger the country, the better these effects unfold. Of course new countries need more time for the effects to become visible. Some countries have a slower rate of growth of their budget deficts etc.
                  In my opinion democracy has proven to have too many faults. It is time now to think of something better. Think out of the box. Change!

            • Marianne said: “There are always some renegade soldiers in any group, but they do not represent the whole group.”

              That is true. Even honorable police forces all over the world have individuals who commit dishonorable acts. They do not represent the whole group. I do not agree with it of course, but that’s part of life. We can only try to reduce the number of incidents as much as possible.

  40. Dear, John

    BLAH, BLAH ……..BLAH. The USA did not earn money directly from the war with JAPAN or GERMANY. The USA invested in these 2 nations. (MARSHALL PLAN in ETO) The USA post war investment in JAPAN, worked out GOOD INVESTMENT) The USA suffered more CASUALTIES just taking OKINAWA( 11000 KIA in 3 months) than all the KIA’s from 1st IRAQ(1991), 2nd IRAQ(2002) & Afganistan Combined! TRUMAN did right by NUKING JAPAN!

    • wyatt said: “The USA invested in these 2 nations [Germany and Japan].”

      Dictionary says: “Investment is the process of exchanging income for an asset that is expected to produce earnings at a later time.”

      My conclusion: the investment in Germany and Japan (2nd world war) is now producing earnings.

  41. Dear JOHN

    The billions RUMMY waisted, is mere childs play, to what your FOOLS MESSIAH aka “O” and his CZARS are spendin. HAVE a GREAT DAY & GOD BLESS

  42. John/Rick
    The U.S. Is no angel, I agree with you there. But what you are advocating is isolationism. Perhaps we should first start by prohibiting all chinese made goods in the U.S. Then we should tell all the french fashion designers to market their fashions in france only. While we are at it, we should pull alll our troops out of Europe, and then they can defend themselves…How’s your russian? Perhaps Canada should start building its own military then and stop relying on ours. Then you won’t have any money for your beloved national healthcare, Neither would Europe for that matter.

    Then we can stop importing cars from canada, germany, Japan,italy, s. Korea, and fire up the remnants of the Big three here in michigan. Detroit’s in dire need of this. Oh and then there are those immigrants who are here illegally. We need to round them up and send them back to their home countries. While we are at it, let us ship all the former slaves back to Africa, as they did not want to be here in the first place.

    Let’s also pull all the troops out of Asia, and Japan. Then those pesky Japanese could learn to speak chinese.

    Do You get the point yet??? America, in all its sin of bringing McDonalds and Walmart around the world, have done more to protect distinct cultures around the world at the expense of the american people. It is the communist mentality that wants to franchise and destroy other cultures. Do you remember the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Ask any Hungarian, or Estonian how free they were to exercise their freedom then and they will tell you they are better off now. Or the Ukrainians, and Georgians.

    How many people in mexico have Jobs because we have sent ours over there. How many chinese people have the same.

    Did you know that there was only one country that paid its war debts back to the U.S. after wwii in europe? And it wasn’t England or france. This country, as far as I know, does not have a single U.S. military base in the country. It has one of the top five strongest economies in the EU, and it has less people than the city of New york. And though its culture has been somewhat americanized, It has still remained distinct, and thriving. Perhaps all those complaining about how evil America is should pay their debts back and take on their own responsibility to defend themselves on their own backs. Take the example of this country, and stop your whining….They even managed to defend themselves from the whole might of the Stalinist Armies with little to no western help. (Look up Winter War,1939)

    Or is your vision one that would have the U.S. not exist at all? So much for cultural diversity and Tolerance. The U.S. would then be part of canada then eh? Maybe the southwest a part of Mexico. You might as well hand eastern Canada over to france, since they speak french there. They can have New Orleans back too. And hey while we are at it, Lets just give the original 13 colonies back to England and the Native americans can split the rest. Hey! Why stop there? Lets Just go back to the stone age….

    Do you get my sarcasm yet? You have no vision for the world, You only know how to criticize the ones who do. The U.S. Does not force its culture upon other countries, it gives them the opportunity to embrace it or not.(Last time I checked, there are no U.S. troops in Zimbabwe) If given the choice to live under a communist dictatorship, or a constitutional republic, I would choose the latter every time. Its a “No brainer” if you ask me. Unfortunately, this kind of mindless “intellectualism” is all the universities are creating these days. what a waste! Full of “know it all”, With no vision or life experience…Useful Idiots as Karl Marx called them.

    God bless.

    • dru, please don’t get me wrong. Everything you said about isolationalism does *not* apply to me. I like to travel to other countries and experience other countries. I like to eat Chinese food & stuff.

      It is a GOOD thing if one country wants to liberate other countries, I will not deny that.

      However in this case:
      - the US liberates brute force. In other words, if they liberate Iraq, they do not consult with other countries what is the best way to invade Iraq. They demand to use airbases of other countries and make it appear as if it was a friendly request. If a country does not want to cooperate, then sanctions will be imposed. If other countries want to remain neutral, then the USA does not respect their opinion; they will be treated as enemies. The USA does not talk to neighbouring countries about tribes that might start fighting for power after the US leaves. Or, if the US does talk to other countries, it looks as if the outcome was predetermined. The USA does not talk to other countries like peers. Instead the US maintains a master / slave relationship with other countries. The USA does not care what buildings get bombed in Iraq; it’s 99.99 % based on satellite images. If a cleaning lady is working in a laboratory, without knowing that it is a laboratory for WMD, then she gets bombed based on satellite images. Accidents happen, but the USA pays only attention to loss of their own troops and little or no attention to the cleaning lady who got bombed by accident. That is called brute force invasion.
      - Africa is full of dictators, why not invade entire Africa? Why not liberate Africa? Why not finish the war in Somalia? There was enough time in the past 60 years to invade Africa.
      - the position of the US with respect to other countries is not balanced. The USA can punish a country with embargos anytime because they have economic ties. I am not in favour of isolationalism, but it should not be that the US alone can punish a country by imposing economic sanctions. Think of the Freedom Fries Incident (which was only a small incident btw). The reason why many countries help the US is not only in the name of freedom, but also because they don’t want trouble with the US.
      - the USA is prefectly able to fight a war without having troops stationed all over the world. I am not saying that they can fight without support from other countries! I am saying that it is possible to keep all troops inside the USA and only export the troops when war is coming. Iraq had WMD for more than 10 years, so that’s plenty time to export troops from the US to Iraq.

      That’s the perfect attitude for attracting terrorists.

      I am not against invasions, but I am against the manner in which the US invades other countries. Like a one man show, like Rambo. That’s my point. Mistakes permitted. Criticism not permitted.

      First the US decides that it will invade Iraq, and after the decision has been taken, they start looking for allies. Allies cannot deny support to the US because a lot of allies have either strong economical ties or they were liberated by the US and would feel guilty if they did not support the USA.

      • My point was an exageration of the position you are taking.
        If everybody hates those things that are american then they need not have them. North Korea is doing OK with no big macs (though some of the people I am sure would welcome them over what the government gives them.) The point is you come here and say how evil America is, which will justify some wacko to attack us here. In a sense you are justifying terrorism with your comments. Then you proceed to accuse our policies of being to blame. Regarding iraq, It was not the U.S. that attacked Kuwait. Saudi Arabia wanted us to come and help. This obviously offended some people. Did we wear out our welcome? Maybe.

        No offense, but this is childish thinking. We Go and help someone, and then they say we are imposing on them by answering their request. Why even ask in the first place? Then You come 20 + years later and continue to Justify this childish behaviour, and say that we are imposing our culture on them. Ask the Kuwaiti’s which they would rather have, Being ruled by one of the “Hussein Boys”, or their independence? How about the Saudi King?

        It was no different with the Germans and Japanese. For Japan, we could have Just left their country in ruins, but instead we rebuilt it to what it is now. (Remember they were the aggressor). Germany, same thing. We could have left it in rubble. Instad we rebuilt, and now
        they hate us for it?

        Now I could go into all the “cultures” we have saved throughout 2 world wars, and our peace through strenghth policies opposing the soviet union, but you would say that is us imposing our culture on them. Up until recently, we have had a policy of non-agression internationally, unless called upon. Bush introduced “preemptive war” which I disagree with. (I believe in securing our borders, and our interests abroad) But at the same time, if we would not have stood up to the communist movement, much more of this world would be under communist leadership. Which is worse? a few big macs, or tyrants who kill…you make the call.

        God bless

        • Dru,
          Of course nobody want to have tyrants. But you have to make a distinction between tyrants who attack the world and small scale tyrants who have no international ambitions.
          The USA supported Iran with weapons, which made Iraq angry. Aside from that, Iran now had weapons it could use against the USA. There was an ongoing conflict BEFORE the weapons were supplied to Iran. But meddling in other people’s conflicts made the problem worse because:

          1. Iraq became another enemy of the USA.
          2. Iraq now had interest in international war
          3. Iran had weapons it could use against the USA.

          In my opinion the problem has only escalated after the USA meddled, so now the only option for the USA is to actually go to war. Can’t you see that the problem only got bigger?

          If the USA thinks it can solve all problems by meddling in other people’s business, then why does the USA watch the war in Syria from the side line, knowing that they have WMD ?

          I’ll leave you with those two questions. Curious what your answer will be.

          Btw, North Korea DOES have their own copycat big macs ;)

          • Well, I will answer your question but you need to answer mine above.

            First of all, a tyrant is a tyrant. If we do not act against a tyrant we are accused of not caring.
            If We go and fight a tyrant we are accused of “meddling”.

            Accusation is the Modus operandi of Satan himself, so you directly or indirectly are doing his bidding. I say that in love because I believe you are ignorant of this fact.

            That being said, Your question has no right or wrong answer…But rather only creates confusion. If I defend the USA meddling in iraq, you will accuse me of ignoring the people of Syria. If I say we are to intervene in syria, then you will accuse me of Meddling. The real problem in the world is sin, and the denial of the creator God. Without God there is no right or wrong.

            So if the US acts in righteous indignation in opposition to a tyrant, Such as Saddam Hussein and his sons, You will only say we are Meddling. If we leave the tyrant be, and do not meddle, such as with African dictators, You will say that we do not care. That is why I asked you the question, which is worse a few Big Macs, or a tyrant that kills? Because it exposes the contradictions in your argument. It is childs play, “I know you are but what am I”?

            Like i said, a product of our universities…”Claiming to be wise, they become fools”

            God bless

            • dru, the answer to your question is that tyrants are far worse than big macs.
              You said if the USA goes to war, then the USA is accused of meddling. If the USA does NOT go to war, then the USA is accused of not caring.
              I already addressed this issue. What the USA should to is to cooperate with other countries in order to invade another country. Just having allies does not mean that the USA is cooperating with other countries. I explained before that the USA declares war, and AFTER that they look for allies. In other words, the decision to go to war has already been taken by the USA. That is not cooperating with other countries.

              The USA has judiciary power, executive power and legislative power. The USA has to share power with other countries instead of taking all the power. After that, you will not hear me complain when the USA invades another country because all allies have equal power (not referring to military power here). Do you understand my point?

              The USA meddles in other people’s business and decides to attack a country. This attitude is wrong. It is called the Rambo solution or the One Man Gang (OMG) solution.

              • Do tyrants cooperate with other nations, or are they an OMG? Did Saddam Hussein consult his neighbors? How about Hitler when he attacked Poland? Such is the nature of war. It is ugly, and should be avoided at all cost. If We were to wait for the french to allow us to go to war, the enemy would have all the time in the world to move their WMD’s to wherever they wanted to…Oh wait! We did do that…and then people like you came and criticised us for going to war for no reason…..Almost like it was planned to put a liberal in power?? Now we have “Zero”, who intervenes in Lybia….nothing but glee and celebration in the media there. It is almost like if it is OK with France, then it is OK with the Leftists.

                You have a double standard, and an agenda, which makes your point hypocritical.

              • Our constitution says we have to get the approval of congress to declare war, not the UN, France, Nato…we are a sovereign nation. “Zero” responded to the call of france and the EU, backed by the UN and went to War in Lybia. He ignored congress and thus violated the constitution, an impeachable offence in this country which is what should negate the possibility of Tyrants rising to Power in this country. The press was mum. The UN, has declared more wars and military actions in the world than any other country in the past fifty years. Imagine that, an organization that is supposed to encourage peace is starting wars…Did you ever read “1984″…sounds an awful lot like the “ministry of peace” in that book.

                Perhaps, you should be looking at the real culprits here instead of the ones your college profs taught you to hate.

          • I think we should all go home, and leave other countries alone…..

  43. According to the Pew Research Center there are 4.7 million Muslims in France, not 60.9 million as you claim.

    I don’t hate America, and I don’t think Jonathon does either. What I dislike about America is the notion that Americans and Christians are better than anyone else.

    I occasionally comment on this site because facts are dismissed and altered by posters. I can’t let some of the more outrageous misrepresentations go unchallenged.

    I bet you still believe there are 60.9 million Muslims in France. As Casey Stengel said, “you can look it up”.

    • rick

      sorry if i am wrong… I used a wikipedia source for the 60.9 unless I just read it wrong

      ok I just checked it again….60.9 is the population of france…..so sorry

      but they are still the second largest religious group in france.

      I do not think I am better than anyone else…most americans do not feel this way. in fact, I do not know ANY american that thinks this way.

      the government is another issue……it has many negative qualities…..and I do not agree with everything it is doing….our constitutional law.. the foundation for our freedom.. is being attacked, and replaced with socialist and communist oriented policies.

      I have to agree that some christians are abrasive, and come across too strong and critical, so about that group I agree with you.

      but christians are to show the love of god to everyone, even their enemies.

      god said he was coming back for a remnant, indicating that most would fall away from his teachings.

      because of this I am greatly concerned…I see a world disaster coming, that will affect not just america, but all countries, and my heart is heavy for those who will die and / or suffer greatly.

  44. Not sure who your commenting to there Rick?
    No Americans and Christians are no better than anyone else. But I would take a society based on God Given rights over a country based on man giving its rights to the people any day. Our constitution is Baed on God Given rights….That is why the progressives are attacking it all the time, because the power belongs to God. Man in his Lust for power wants to be the one that holds all the cards.

    When man has no higher authority to answer to, You get death, murder, corruption, debauchery, and lawlessness. Ever since the sixties, our government officials have been trying to attack God, and thus increasing our Lawless aspirations. The funny thing is, most liberals will sit there and criticize america, and Christians for being intolerant, when in fact it is the other way around. Secular governments have killed more people in the last century than anyone else. They sit there and say all wars are caused by christians, when in fact the opposite is true now.

    I would argue that it is when man puts himself in the place of God that attrocities occur. Whether this man is a Pope, a Dictator, a president, King or whatever title they may have. Bush was guilty of this, and now Obama is following in his footsteps. The Most attrocious examples of this are abortion and Euthanasia…The murder of innocents in the name of “choice” and “greater good”…Man/ Women saying they are God, and have rights greater than those who they lead to slaughter.

  45. dru,

    Now we’re getting to the nitty-gritty. Our country, our world is divided into two camps:

    Those who believe in a divine being (God, Allah, Yahweh, Christ, Vishnu, Zeus, etc.), and…

    Those that do not believe in a divine being.

    I’m among the latter, a non-believer.

    Most of the men who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were non-believers, too. They were products of the Age of Enlightenment when common people and scholars alike challenged the “Divine Right of Kings”.

    Our founders said that our rights were inalienable, or natural.

    Of course women, non-property owning males, African slaves and Native Americans didn’t share those rights, but hey, it was a start. It was left to subsequent reformers, aka liberals, to stretch the tent to include everyone, much to the chagrin of conservatives.

    Please keep your religious mythology to yourself and don’t send naive soldiers off to kill people whose mythology differs from your own.

    • Rick,
      This is a Christian site, you know. The founders of this country were all believers in God, though some were deists. So do not try to rewrite History. In the Declaration of independence it is clear that these rights are “endowed by our CREATOR”. From “Natures God”. You are rewording and rewriting our history and you will not get away with it here. I suggest you read those documents before you come here talking your Propaganda and talking points.

      Hey, if you want to be an atheist, go ahead. But I am a Christian, and you must also tolerate us. Now you are imposing your interpretation of events on us…Hey didn’t your buddy John just say that is a no no. In my Past encounters with Atheists, they always want to come to where Christians are, to disprove the existence of God. Why is that? Because they are trying to affirm their own “Belief” that there is no God. For it takes Just as much faith to deny God than it does to believe that there is a God. May I suggest that you read the following scripture, for it is directed towards Atheists such as yourself. Its from Romans 1.

      18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

      24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

      26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

      28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

      You see, without God, the only thing left is Hate. But God IS love. And he came as a human to this earth and died for you, as an example of his Love, and with a gift of Salvation to you. Imagine that, The creator Loving his creation, so much so that he died in the most humiliating way possible to redeem you. This is sacrificial Love, and without this example, society falls to its basest form of self interest and survival. The very thing the liberal mindset so opposes. It is Only through Christ that you will find True freedom, and true Love.

      Blessings

  46. dru,

    I was not aware this was a “christian” site, although I knew it was “anti-muslim” (wonder why Christ would say about that).

    I mean no disrespect to your faith or your right to have it. I was raised Catholic (oh, that explains it!) and spent 17 years of Catholic education wondering about the nature of Christ. The good Jesuits attempted to explain the divinity of Christ by logic until logic failed and only those that truly wished to believe continued to believe. The rest of us mostly became agnostics. I don’t consider myself an atheist because I don’t know what will happen after I die. Will my soul outlive by body? Will I come face to face with my maker? If I do, she must be one busy chick, greeting all the newly deceased while helping the faithful win football games and all that. Or, maybe she’s a guy. Who knows?

    Do you?

    • We do not hate Muslims. We do believe that they are following a false prophet, who teaches them to hate their brothers. I am no different than you, or they, the only thing that a Christian has is the forgiveness of sin from the acceptance of the Gift of God. We did not earn it, He gave it to all who would be humble themselves and receive that gift…By Humble themselves I mean repent of their sin. That Offer still stands for you as well.

      If you have been in a religion that teaches you to hate, then that is not Christianity. We are told to love our enemies, To Love one another as Christ Loved us. Who “while we were yet sinners died for us”. We do not approve of the sinfulness, But that does not hinder our love for the sinner.The Gospel is Just what the definition implies, Good news. Some people Just do not want to accept good news, because that involves making Jesus Lord in our lives, and man has since Adam desired to be like God (Original sin). This is the essence of the resistence to this good news. As the passage above points out, they would rather replace the Immortal God with mortal man and nature. It is funny in fact, how relavent a letter written 2000 years ago is to what is going on today.

      Logic fails everytime, unless you understand the Love of God for you. Love is unmeasurable, and illogical, yet trancends our understanding, Just as the divinity of Christ does. I know for a fact that Jesus is God, because he is my master (Lord), and we cannot serve two masters…(Thinking Bob Dylan here).

      We are not oficially given the Gender of God, though Jesus called him Father, and Jesus, who is God as male, so I will stick with calling HIM a HE. I know when I was in college they were trying to satisfy the feminists, and change these gender references to gender neutral terms, but even a sociology major like myself thought that was a bit ridiculous. Yes I was a liberal like you for a time. A feminist in fact. But then I realized how weak there arguments were, winning their battles not with Logic and fact but with stirring emotions and outrage….I know your playbook inside and out.

      You are not going to convince someone who has been held in the arms of Jesus to depart from his arms. In that respect, I do know. He is real, because he is with me, and Loves me. My Calling is not to win football games, but to share the blessing of being held in the Arms of Christ with others.

      Now, there are many people out there, such as yourself, who have had negative experiences in the church…This is a shame. for in giving up on the church, you have given up on God. The Institutional church is flawed at best. You will find many a post here on Marianne’s site critical of the institutionalized church. Not just those critical of Muslims. Your example of Christ is flawed. This site uses critical thinking and debate to come to a better understanding of God. We encourage Muslims, and atheists and what have you to interact…but most of them come preaching hatred and intolerance. They start with the assumption that Christians are bigotted baffoons and ignorant. If you wish to have a debate among equals, then I am up for it, But with past experience, it always ends up at name calling in the end.

      I would rather share the Gospel with you than get into that debate, and name calling. For me it is about winning souls, not debates. Us getting it right, not me being right. God getting the glory not me. Because without him, i am nothing…even if I had all the riches in the world and the knowledge of einstein i would be nothing more than a clanging cymbal without his Love.

      God bless.

    • rick

      yes, you are on a christian site, but this page was just put here to show respect for the american soldiers who risk their lives for their country. there are 640 pages to this site, most are christian topics, but some are more secular in nature. you picked a secular page. :)

      I would be glad to explain off line any theological concerns or questions. I do not have to use logic. I just use what the bible actually says, not what people say either

  47. dru, Thanks for your response. You seem like a sincerely nice person. I can get a little snarky, but I don’t enjoy calling anyone names.

    I’ll never change your mind, and you’ll never change mine. As long as we live our lives wondering what Jesus would do, we can’t wander too far astray from what’s right and noble.

  48. jonathan

    ok, about not being a believer, I was trying to understand your point of view.

    1. interesting notes about democracy. although I never equated having a democracy has having permission to go into debt.

    2. america is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy, but the last group of democrats that took office and will not retire think it is.

    this means we are supposed to be a set of independent states which self govern, and only unite under the federal government for defense purposes….you can see that really went wrong with all the federal control now.

    3. in our country, it is actually a minority rule. by about 545 people. We vote for representatives who do not represent us, but do what they want.

    4. do you have a suggestion for a better form of government?

  49. And peace to you, dru.

  50. this should have never happened to our heroes.

  51. The particular set of allegations listed above first made the rounds of the internet in 2005. It has circulated in various forms for much of the last decade. Obviously, it serves to warm the hearts of Iraq invasion supporters (you know who you are). But, as usual, all conservatives need to justify their beliefs is a random email that makes them feel good about themselves and the tragic invasion of Iraq. And, of course, blame the liberal (corporate) media. For those who are interested here is a link to snopes’ treatment of this matter, even though I’m sure that most of you believe that snopes is just an arm of the “liberal” media.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/combatend.asp

    • rick

      the allegations are true, and it is a tragedy.

      snopes has no credibility.

      it is run by a man and his fat wife, who are far left liberals, out of their kitchen.

      too bad you would call heros and families of heros liars, and honor those who hate the military

  52. Marianne,

    Those allegations are almost 10 years old! No self-respecting news service would recycle them today. What does the fact that the snopes lady is “fat” have to do with it? Most conservatives believe that any news source that reports anything favorable to liberals/Democrats is the “liberal media”. For most conservatives the only valued news sources are those that don’t print anything favorable to liberals/Democrats. That doesn’t leave much, and is why most conservatives value dusty, old chain emails that have lives of their own and little substance. I think that Christ values news even from “fat” reporters.

    • there is very little news that is positive about democrats because they are always doing something wrong…..like bengahzi and killing navy seals……or selling guns to syrian rebels that kill christians and create blood baths in syria… or attacking people for their religion

      the point about the man and wife is that they are uneducated low class people who just write their opinions….they are not scholars. and have no access to important data to confirm their opinions.

  53. Marianne, I know you mean well, but you just lost all credibility with that little rant.

    • credibility is a matter of perspective and values.

      you do not value the opinions of heros, and families of heros, who died for this country, and due to the actions of government betraying its people.

      we honor god here…..at the DNC, they booed God and Israel….they have rejected god in their political platform…they have banned religious liberty and freedom of speech

      so as east is far from the west , so are liberal “values” one extreme and the conservatives on the other end……..

      democrats consider veterans who risked their lives for their country as domestice terrorists…..also evangelical christians are domestic terrorists…..to homeland security…so patriots and christains are more hated than Islamic terrorist that blow up cities and cut peoples throats…

      so why are you here on this site if you do not believe the way we do…???

      notice that even though you do not agree with me, I do not delete your comments …that is called freedom of speech….something liberals do not allow christians to have.

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