Only one fourth?

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That means ¾ are NOT harmed.

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

For those that believe that this is the wrath of God, it seem like 100% of the earth should be affected, not just a minority of ¼.

I believe that only ¼ is affected because the saints are still on the earth.

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Saints still on earth

This point of view is still under debate, since many believe the 7 seals are part of YHVH’s wrath, and the rapture occurs before this.

I also point out here that saints are martyred in the 5th seal (Revelation 6), and the tribulation appears to be announced as “over” in Revelation 7).

Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sits on the throne shall dwell among them.

I also discuss in this other post Don’t Hurt the Oil and Wine ! that there is evidence that both Christians and Jews are protected at this time from famine.

https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/dont-hurt-the-oil-and-wine/

This does not answer the question of the timing of the rapture, only the fact that believers are still on the earth at this time.

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Pale Horse of Death – where is it going?

If God were to target His enemies, or those in sin, he uses “the sword, famine and pestilence.”

So who are the ¼? Are they spread out across the globe, with just random deaths, or are they geographically concentrated in one area of famine?

It seems logical that if famine were to occur, it would be more regional than global.

It is illogical that my next door neighbor, or those on my street, starve to death, while there are food stores for me, to go to buy whatever I need to live.

We are not that different economically.

If the food is available to me, it is available to my neighbors as well.

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So, who are the ¼?

I would look to a certain area of the world, and find famine localized there, and it is an area that has had this problem before.

This is just a guess, but it does fit. God has a purpose in reducing the enemies of Christ and Israel.

I would guess that the areas in black below, surrounding Israel, would be the worst hit by a famine. It is also the region most hostile towards Israel.

And during stressful times, it would cause this region to eventually attack Israel, who would have food and other resources at this time. This region is currently violent with protests as well.

Islamic nations – ¼ the earth

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population

Islam is the world’s second largest religion after Christianity. According to a 2011 demographic study, Islam has 1.6 billion adherents, making up 23% of the world population.[1][2]

Approximately 50 countries are Muslim-majority.[2] Around 62% of the world’s Muslims live in Asia, with over 683 million adherents in such countries as Indonesia(the largest Muslim country by population, home to 12.9% of the world’s Muslims[8]),  Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh.[2][9]

About 20% of Muslims live in Arab countries.[10] In the Middle East, the non-Arab countries of Turkey and Iran are the largest Muslim-majority countries; in Africa, Egypt and Nigeria have the most populous Muslim communities.[9]

A demographic study conducted by the Pew Research Center in October 2009[1][2]found that there are 1.57 billion Muslims around the world, accounting for roughly 1 in 4 people. The study found more Muslims in Germany than in Lebanon and more in China than in Syria.[11]

Also relevant to this population is Rev 16:

Rev 16:12

And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Notice it is the river Euphrates, not the Danube in Europe, or the Mississippi in America, or the Amazon in Africa, or the Yangtze river in China.

This part of the world is especially targeted for the wrath of God.

Are there other explanations and possibilities? Yes, of course.

China or India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

China and India together have about 37 percent of the world’s population.

Here, I do not see China nor India as especially hostile toward Israel, even though there is anti-Semitism everywhere.

Neither have a history of attacking Israel, or starting conflicts.

They may be influence by the hostility of others, but have not generated the hostility themselves.

Generalized death across the globe

This is always possible, as the red horse of war, as well as the white and black horse, can go anywhere else at this time.

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Other Selective Destruction by God

In the 7 trumpets, 1/3 of nature is destroyed.

The same question arises.

Why only 1/3? Why not all of it?

We are given a hint in Rev 9:4

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

This means there are still saints around at this time! But they are protected by YHVH.

By Revelation 9:18, after the release of demonic spirits, 1/3 of mankind is killed.

Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

The reason for the destruction is that they were given a chance to repent, but they refused to repent:

Rev 9:20

And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Rev 9:21

Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

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Those who escape the wrath

Where are those who are not being destroyed by the wrath?

The “woman” representing natural Israel has escaped to the wilderness, in a place prepared by God.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

Are all righteous people in the wilderness?

It does not seem so, because there are those still on the earth who are not in hiding, and they reach out to help the woman:

Rev 12:16

And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The dragon, Satan, naturally becomes enraged and wages war on those in the earth who help Israel.

Rev 12:17

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This righteous group of people are most likely Christians who have escaped the ¼ elimination by the pale horse, and the 1/3 elimination by the demon locusts.

There is also the 144,000 who are specially sealed, and cannot be touched by the dragon.

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Death Count

So, ¼ + 1/3 = 7/12 of the world is dead. This is 58% dead, and 42% remaining.

The last group to die are those who are drawn to the Battle of Armageddon.

They will die there. This is an unknown number, but the entire valley will be filled with blood:

Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast [it] into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Rev 14:20

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand [and] six hundred furlongs

7000 also die in an earthquake in Jerusalem.

Rev 11:13

And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

If anyone dies while 1/3 nature is being destroyed during the first trumpets, and during the vials, this would raise the death toll as well, but the number is not given.

Part of those spared elimination are righteous believers who are spared to help the woman Israel and protect her from her enemy, the dragon.

So they are now at war with Satan. And they are in every nation around the world:

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him [the beast] to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

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Selective Judgment

In His wrath, YHVH God shows mercy to his own.

He either provides a place of escape, or he provides protection to those who seek Him.

There will be martyrs during this terrible time, but there is also hope of making it to the end:

Mat 24:13

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar 13:13

And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The days are shortened just so God’s elect can survive the wrath:

Mat 24:22

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Mar 13:20

And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

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Final Questions

To those reading this, you may either be saved, or not saved.

Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Only through accepting his atonement on the cross, can you merit a way to the Father in heaven.

Sin is real, and so is the punishment for sin.

This is a serious topic, and the way the world is going, we need to think seriously about our lives, and whether we are right before God, or evil, or just a fake person who is lost.

Are you going to be part of the ¼ that is destroyed by the sword, famine or pestilence?

Are you going to be part of the 1/3 that is destroyed by demonic locusts sent from hell?

Or will you be part of the righteous that God will preserve and protect from Satan and his legions?

The choice is yours.

There really is no time left to fool around and wait for another day to decide.

Time has run out.

What is your decision?


47 Responses to “Only one fourth?”

  1. No! no !no! You got it all wrong .Only one third of the population of the world will survive which means in 6 billion only 2 billion will survive ,The rest not only will they die but will also end up in hell .And let me tell you that those who survive will themselves wish to die such is the horror of those 3 nights of darkness .All mountains will be leveled and all the islands will disappear, the Earth itself will rotate out of its own foundation .we are going to travel into a distant universe and no on will know our present location.There is nothing left standing except for a few houses of the chosen ones all will perish .No food and no water .Why would anyone want to live after such tremendous disaster?all humans who are caught outside of their houses will be turned into ashes,nothing else will be left of them .It will be much worst than Sodom .Our sins are a lot worst than theirs therefore the punishment is much greater

    • Hello aturebeliever,

      I would say, go back and look at the seals, trumpets and bowls again and you will find that there will be a lot less then 2 billion people left on this earth when Christ returns. The 4th seal states that a fouth or 25% of the earths inhabitants will be killed and the 6th trumpet states that a third will be killed. These two combined comes to half of the earths population already. What most people fail to take into consideration is that there is no percentage given for fatalities related to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd trumpets.

      Let’s look at the 1st trumpet: a third of the earth is burnt up and a third of the trees. If we look behind scenes, how many people do you think will become fatalities with a third of the earth being burnt up? The 2nd trumpet has something like a huge mountain all ablaze being thrown into one of the oceans and the results are all of the sea creatures in that body of water are destroyed, which will equal a third over all the earth. Likewise, all of the ships in that body of water are destroyed equaling a third over all the earth. Again, it is what is not said that we need to consider. The reason why the creatures and the ships are being destroyed is because of the 1000 ft plus waves (and I’m being conservative) that will be the result of that object hitting the ocean. No ship or creature will be able to survive because of the energy resulting from the impact. Here is something else to consider, every city and town that is on every coast of every continent that that body of water touches will be destroyed as well. How many people will be in those cities? And not only that, but the cities and towns that are hundreds of miles inland that will also be affected. So now your 2 billion survivors have just been wittled down to probably less than half a billion if that and I haven’t even mentioned the 3rd seal where it states that many people die from drinking the poisoned water and what about the fatalites regarding the bowl judgments? Yes, there will be a lot less than 2 billon people left. As Jesus said, “If those days had not been cut short, then no one would survive, but for the elects sake those days will be shortened.

    • isn’t one fourth a one over a four the numerators the one and the denominators the four how is ONE FOURTH changed into 3/4? I mean literally YOU SPELLED ONE?

      • Hello Zac,

        I don’t really understand what you wrote, but I believe that I was clear in that at the 4th seal, a fourth, that is, 25% of the earth’s population is killed by the plagues mentioned. Furthermore, the 6th trumpet plague states that a third of the earth’s population will be killed. Therefore, if you combine the fatalities of the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet, it equals 50% of the earth’s population. To be clearer, a third of 6 billion would be 2 billion people killed, which would leave 4 billion left. If you take a fourth from 4 billion that leaves 3 billion, which would be half of the earth’s population based on 6 billion people. As I stated above, these two plagues listed are not the extent of the fatalities, because we must take into consideration the fatatalities that will result from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd trumpet judgments as well as the bowls, which are just not mentioned. But as I said, just with the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet, the fatalities will equal half of the earth’s population with just these two. I hope that this makes it clearer.

  2. Revelation 6:8 doesn’t say that 1/4th of the earth is killed, only that this ‘rider’ is given power over 1/4th of the earth.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/study-muslims-make-up-25-percent-of-world-population-1.6465

    • hi ICA

      The rider is given power over 1/4 to kill them….with sword, hunger, and by the beasts of the field.

      • That is a misconception, and one that is often repeated. Let’s examine the text:

        KJV Rev 6:8, “… And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”

        NKJV Rev 6:8, “… And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.”

        NIV Rev 6:8, “… They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.”

        ESV Rev 6:8, “… And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.”

        NASB Rev 6:8, “… Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with *pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.”

        RSV Rev 6:8, “… and they were given power over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.”

        ASV Rev 6:8, “… And there was given unto them authority over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the wild beasts of the earth.”

        The Greek says “tetartos gē apokteinō en rhomphaia …”. This does not mean that 1/4th of the earth is killed. It means that this ‘rider’ is given authority over 1/4th of the earth, and it is this 1/4th of the earth over which his authority presides which kills “with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.” Revelation 6:8 is, I believe, referring to modern-day Islam, which now controls 25% of the world’s population. Moreover, the word for “beasts” in 6:8 is “thērion”, and I believe that it is used metaphorically to refer to brutal, savage men. Not animals. This, again, points us specifically to radical Islam, and their savage nature of murdering, beheading, raping, suicide bombings, etc. etc. etc. etc.

        • I guess you could look at it that way. I agree with who you think the rider is…..and they really do kill people….but just the authority to kill can also come with the white horse.

        • Hi ICA,

          I wonder how many people read your above post, and were oblivious to the changes in punctuation?
          I have attempted in the past to reveal the fact that the original translators, (though possibly indwelt by) were not necessarily being led by the Spirit in their endeavor.

          The insertion of verse numbers mid- sentence and punctuation were based upon their personal interpretation, since none of these were included within the original text.

          One simple comma itself, can have great impact as to how the verse is to be understood, and can corrupt its true meaning significantly.

          Those that are true Berean’s will make the choice themselves to investigate the information that is provided within the link that you supplied. Those that are recalcitrant however, who believe that they may already possess all knowledge, unfortunately won’t.

          Be Blessed

        • Hi ICA,

          The fact that a fourth of the population is killed at the 4th seal can be seen by the fact that the the rider on the horse is “Death” and the mention of “Hades” following close behind tells the reader where those who die are going. Remember, these are God’s judgments and it would therefore make no sense to just announce that authority was given over to death and Hades to kiil a fourth of the inhabitants of the earth with war, famine, plague and the wild beasts of the earth if in fact they weren’t doing that very thing. To just be making a statement that they were given power, but nothing came of it would be rediculous. The 4th seal is the result of the 2nd and 3rd seals, which are the red horse “War” and the black horse “Famine” respectively. These horses are also synonymous with nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom (Red horse) and famines (black horse) mentioned in Mt.24:7. These are all the beginning of birth pains.

    • Hi,

      “They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.”

      The verse above tells us that a fourth is the percentage of fatalaties that result from the war, famine and plague mentioned. There is no way to circumvent this verse.

      • Hi Don,

        Below is the original text for Revelation 6:8.

        καὶ εἶδον καὶ ἰδοὺ ἵππος χλωρός καὶ ὁ καθήμενος ἐπάνω αὐτοῦ ὄνομα αὐτῷ ὁ θάνατος καὶ ὁ ᾅδης ἠκολούθει μετ’ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐδόθη αὐτοῖς ἐξουσία ἐπὶ τὸ τέταρτον τῆς γῆς ἀποκτεῖναι ἐν ῥομφαίᾳ καὶ ἐν λιμῷ καὶ ἐν θανάτῳ καὶ ὑπὸ τῶν θηρίων τῆς γῆς

        Notice that no punctuation is utilized whatsoever.

        Now I am not taking sides here, or advocating any particular position regarding this, I am simply pointing out a fact that the placement of a “comma” can have a significant impact on how we would interpret a phrase or sentence.

        In the King James the verse is written as below.
        “And I looked , and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”

        This punctuation was inserted by those that performed the translation, and not by those that scribed the inspired Word. Therefore placement of punctuation would consist of where the translators, (based upon their interpretation) believed as to where they should be placed.

        If I were to eliminate the “comma” after the word “earth” for example, (as done below) we can now see that the meaning of the sentence has now been significantly altered.

        “And I looked , and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”

        Precedents of errors regarding placements of “commas” have already been established in the past.
        One example would be, Acts 19:12 KJV “So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.”

        In this verse above we see the diseases departed from the sick handkerchiefs or aprons. The correct placement of the comma, should have been after the word “sick” instead.

        Nonetheless, even with the comma maintaining its original placement within the King James, there is still the possibility that God granted Death and Hell “governing authority, or power”, over a 1/4 of the earth, (be it nations or a segment of population) to kill others with the sword, and with hunger etc.

        Though you may interpret that sentence as expressing its meaning to solely be, that a 1/4 of the earths population will be killed at that time, I don’t believe myself that it is that black and white. Your interpretation could very well be correct. Then again, perhaps it isn’t?

        I guess that I am simply saying that all of us should always maintain an open mind regarding the Word, and not simply dismiss something new right away merely because it is in conflict with what we happen to already believe.

        Be Blessed

  3. I’m puzzled, because I thought there were saints left during the Tribulation, after the rapture. They were not raptured but turned to Christ after the rapture. Many are martyred and appear in heaven after their deaths. A few may survive to the end, along with the 144,000 anointed preachers and the remnant concealed in the wilderness in the jordan area.

    • Mariel

      You are right. Here, I am not trying to say when the rapture occurs.

      Only that there are saints on the earth during the tribulation that are protected by God.

      This is why there is not total destruction to begin with.

    • Mariel, I’d recommend checking this out regarding the 144,000. There is more to it than meets the eye.🙂

      http://wp.me/p1qlPa-j1

    • Hi Mariel,

      Just to clarify, there will be saints that will go through the great tribulation and some will make it through to the end when Jesus returns to usher in the end of the age. These will go into the millennial kingdom and repopulate the earth during that time. The 144,000/Male Child will be the first fruits to God out of the nation Israel and they will be snatched up to God’s throne right around the middle of that last seven years. The woman of chapter 12 is Israel (seel Gen.37:9-10) and she is the one who is cared for out in the desert for the last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns. Hope this helps.

  4. Marianne, Good study..makes sense. I have believed along those lines for years…since my own study and reading Some of Robert Van Kampen’s material on the end times back around 94…

  5. one thing I have considered was Enoch and Elijah were taken up individually..wouldn’t that be something if thru the Trib that some people were taken up individually while some made it to the end and then some would be obviously martyred..and then at the end when Jesus Returns then everyone else who are alive and remain would meet the Lord in the air and be instantly transformed and hop on their Horses and watch Jesus whack his enemies…and then rule and reign with him for 1000 years hear on earth…

    • Hi Byron,

      First of all, I would have to say that, it would be good for the those who were resurrected and caught up, but not for those who remained, as they would be here to go through the wrath of God, which is what Jesus is rescuing us from. Not only that, but the Scripture is clear in that in relation to the dead being raise, those who are still alive are caught up, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye to meet those in the clouds who will have just previously been resurrected and so the event of the resurrection and the catching away of the living is almost simultaneous. See the following Scriptures. (1 Thes.4:13-18; 1 Cor.15:51-52)

    • hi Byron

      That would be an interesting way for things to happen, but as dmcal says, it is actually a group event.

      There will always be, of course, those that die ahead of time, and miss the tribulation that way.

  6. Hi Marianne and all,

    I just want to remind you that the word of God compares His time of wrath as a woman in labor pains. Just like with labor pains, the contractions start off far apart and become closer together and more intense as the woman nears giving birth. This is exactly how this time of wrath is described as taking place. The wrath of God starts off with the seals and the plagues get successfully closer together with them becoming more intense as the time draws near to the return of Christ. The seals are just the beginning of the birth pains and will successfully get worse leading into the trumpets and finally the bowls judgments which completes God’s wrath.

    Jesus describes the time of God’s wrath in the same way:

    “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be faminse and earthquakes in various place. All these are the beginning of birth pains.” (Mt.24:7-8)

    Paul uses the same anology:

    “While people are saying ‘peace and safety,’ destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.”
    (1 Thes.5:3)

    So as I said, the seals are all apart of the wrath of God and will get successfully worse as the trumpets beging to sound, leading into the bowl judgments. The seals are the beginning of the birth pains.

  7. Under the Fifth Trumpet which is the First Woe of escalating wrath on the wicked left behind….the hellish locusts torment these wicked for five months and the men desire death but cannot die. The locusts strike, sting, torture, cut, and bite for five months. The wicked bleed out but still cannot die. The torture is horrible. These wicked are horrible. They have trampled under foot the blood fo Jesus and are damned. They don’t repent because they cannot repent. The age of Grace ended in the Sixth Seal.

    Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

    The verse only speaks to the fact that they are damned …..not capable of repentance. They are looking into the face of God…and they still don’t repent? If they could…they would. But they can’t. The time of Grace came and went with the Church. God doesn’t torture folk into repentance. He simply says, ‘Choose.’Jos 24:15 . These blaspheming men and women are the same as those of Rev. 16:9-11 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

    Just saying…lol.

  8. I don’t get this, are you saying that the population is reduced until only the righteous are left?

    • hi Mick

      I am saying that many of the righteous will be present, but protected at this time. Some will be martyred. It is because of the righteous that god is moving slowly with his judgments. If all were wicked, he might remove them all with one judgment.

  9. If I make it I’ll go for the non martyred type thanks.

  10. Matthew 13- 35 through 43…explains what will happen..
    Luke 8-11..THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD…The seeds are the Gospel of Christ which Jesus sows and the gospel of antichrist that Satan sows…This is the Koran…The seeds produce children of god and children of Satan…
    Verse 38, 39, 40..The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
    Verse 41…The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity
    Verse 42..And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    This furnace of fire can be equated with Rev 13-13 FIRE COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN.. Which essentially means they think the beast is god.. Aka Allah..

    Verse 43..Then shall the righteous SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
    No translation for Christians but a transfiguration… As seen on the mount of transfiguration.. John said when he appears we will be like Him..
    Paul said this corruption will put on incorruption, this mortal will put on immorality…then death will be swallowed up in victory…We are very close to this event…
    Matthew 17-2..And was transfigured before them: and his FACE DID SHINE AS THE SUN, and his raiment was white as the light.

    Jesus entire life was EXAMPLE for men to follow,,His baptism, his temptation and His transfigeration

  11. Sounds reasonable to me…

    Matthew 17 appears to be prophetic of an end time event…
    Verse 1 says after 6 days indicating this event will take place after six days each 1000 years long in God’s timetable..
    Jesus is transfigured and his face shines as the sun as do the righteous SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in Matthew 13-43…

    Jesus appears with Moses and Elijah… Could they not represent Jesus/Christians, Moses/Muslims who teach old covenant, and Elijah /Jews-Israel….
    God’s voice from Heavens says to HEAR HIS SON…This means do not listen to Moses/muslims or Elijah/jews but to the words of Jesus via born again Sons of God…

    Jesus entire life was EXAMPLE for men to follow,,His baptism, his temptation and His transfigeration

  12. Marianne

    The word says you have never seen the righteous nor his seed begging for bread. So if a famine go any where it will not affect the righteous nor their living following seeds. God is not a man that he should lie, so we know we can not be hungry or without food. God also told us let the day take care of the day and to worry for nothing. The enemy if he could would take away our joy when we are to have joy and peace under the promises of God.

    Please don’t misunderstand because God wants us to study to show yourself ourselves approved to God, a workman that needs not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    As the word in John also says we add virture and knowledge with our study of the word and that we are sanctified in truth through the word.

    Acts says; that in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. This is some what the same, and I applaud you Marianne for being a servant with the desire to rightly divide the word and when you understand not to solicit others with more understanding that you may also grow.

    This great word study Marianne prepared should keep everyone not in fear or worry but keep everyone on their best behavior, we get one chance. It brings to rememberance when Peter went to walk on water out of the boat and he took his eyes/mind off of the Lord he began to sink.

    So if we can in our own insecure nature which if it isn’t fearing, it is thinking and at times never shutting down. But much thinking leads to much busy business and in that business of the mind we imagine vain imaginations that the enemy comes in and grows in our mind. He takes control of the mind as the field that should be off limits except to God. He now starts to seed the field that belongs to God with fear, turmoil, questions of stress and perplexity?

    If we trust him, do we trust him completely or do we think that we can do a better job of protecting ourselves. If the Father said we are not the children of wrath, why would we question his word. Why would God want his wrath poured out upon you when the blood of Jesus Christ cleansed us? If the blood does its job and takes away all unrighteouness then why would you receive the wrath. Two will be grinding at the mill one will be taken and the other left? If some are taken and others are left, do the words of “wrath” apply to the taken ones? If so how? Jesus paid it all, he said it is done.

    Did God not say that he gave us as believers all that we need to tread upon the enemy. He said we shall tread upon and trample underfoot the lion, the adder, basilisk. the serpent, the scorpion. Revelations 9:5-6 says “And their torment was as the torment of the scorpion when he striketh a man; and in those days shall men seek death and shall not find it: and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.” If we are treading them down then how are we going to receive things that are against the promises of God.

    They strongs concordance refers to the tail sting of the scorpion as being like the scouraging whip which our savior was scouraged and paid it all. So those who did not receive what the master had done and the great price that he paid is going to recieve the recompense of the same intense pain. So I don’t read this for the children of God, as it says they stung those for 5 months that were not sanctified.

    I believe those who are left after the taking will continue to have an opportunity to be saved. The two witnesses will appear, suffering will be great and there is nothing worse than oppression especially for a child of God as we are use to freedom and joy. Even though I must admit the Lord is able to make us walk through and out any storm that the evil one puts in front of us. But the wrath discussed here is the wrath of God and he said it was not for us.

    So the thing I know is if I am cut with a sword or a weapon it will not prosper against me, it will not scar me nor can it destroy me, if a serpent comes at me and bites me he can not kill me, nor destroy me. The weapons of the enemy against the children of God are useless.

    So as long as you stay prayed up with your cups overflowing and with your eyes focused upon Jesus Christ you will not fail no matter what the enemy tries to lay down for you. I feel knowing our God who is so gracious in love and concern for his children that even those who are martyred are some how taken spiritually out of their body before the body is dead. If he can make us to walk on water, if he can make poision to be of no effect, he can make serpents bites to have no effect and he can make the scoripion sting to have no effect what can be layed upon us but fear? Refusing the fear or anything else that the enemy sends is a weapon of warfare the Lord has provided unto us. It says our weapons are not carnal but are mighty to the pulling down of strongholds.

    Will we be here or there I can not say but I know we will not bare the burden of the children of wrath.

    If God is the same yesterday, today and forever then he does not change. why should I fear?

    If he live in us we are able to do all things because greater is he who lives in me than he who lives in the world. As Long as we stay in the light of the Lord with his eyes upon us and wonder not out into the darkness the enemy may come but he will never overcome you and you will not be hurt even if your head is cut off. For we are flesh but we are most of all spirit of the Lord and one day we will take off the coruptible and put on the incoruptible.

    So If there is a fear to be had it should be in contemplation of our right position with the Lord and with a made up mind to hold on no matter what. So let us put our focus on running a good race and on the things he has prepared for us and the word says the enemy will have to flee.

    I know I am simple minded but it helps me in getting through things I don’t understand, it helps me to just put my hand in his right hand and trust. When I take my eyes off of the savior and let fear or wondering that is greater than my simple human body the enemy comes in and tries to consume. But when my eyes are upon the Lord, the storm can rage and all kinds of evil can come but nothing can hurt me. He has never left me nor forsaken me, he bore all of my pain and sorrow for the times I did not serve and I count my blessings that I am his and he turns not his face from mine.

    When I pray and cry my heart growns in the waiting for my Heavenly body, gown and crown where with to set at his feet and to give thanks for all he has done for me.

    Be blessed let the Love of Jesus Christ shine within each of us and let us find ways to reach the unsaved loved ones that none shall perish.

  13. you can always tell when you slipped or are slipping a little away because things start to go bad for you but if you trust in the lord for every thing then you cant go wrong Jesus never said by following him would be like a bed of roses he said thy will prosecute you in my name sake people would the world would friends will turn against you but stand firm in his name to the end and you will have your reward that is not of this world i am not perfect don’t claim to no everything but i know the most important this is i love him heart mind and soul and that he died for my salvation so i would have a way to heaven through him if i was to die with out a leg when i go to heaven i would be hole i be leave this because god gives us new bodies

  14. So are the Christians killed by earthquakes, famine etc?

    • hi Mick

      I think they will be affected in some way, but I would think God would protect them. The punishment is for the wicked, not the righteous.

  15. Hello,

    I have a better senario and that is, I don’t believe that we will be here at all, but that the Church will have been removed before the 1st seal is opened, which is what is meant by “We are not appointed to suffer the wrath of God.” And that because unlike typical trial and tribualation that believers go through which comes at the hands of men and the powers of darkness, the seals, trumpets and bowls are initated at the hands of God.

    Also please condsider the following: The book of Revelation is divided up into three sections as defined in Rev.1:19:

    1. Write what you have “seen.’
    2. What is “Now.”
    3. What will take place “later.”

    What John had “seen” was everything that had taken place prior to him receiving the instructions to write, which was his vision of the coming of the Lord (Rev.1:7) and his vision of the glorified Christ with the seven stars and the seven lamp stands, which represent the seven messengers and seven churches respectively.

    The “now” is represented by the letters to the seven churches, which represented those seven literal churches of that time as well as types of churches throughout the age and in fact is representative of the intire church period, which means that we are still in the “Now.” I believe that when the church is resurrected and caught up that will bring an end to the “Now” and will then begin Rev.4:1 which is the “What must take place after this,” which would put all of the seals, trumpets and bowls as taking place after the “Now” has been completed. It should be noted that after the “Now” has completed this also coincides with the fact that after the end of chapter 3 the word “Ekklesia” translated “Church” is never used again and is replaced by the word “Hagios” translated “Saint.”

    We also know that the “Now” time period is completed at the end of chapter 3 because chapter 4:1 says, “Come up here and I will show you ‘What must take place after this,’ that is, what must take place after the “Now.”

    Many proclaim that we have already experienced most of the seals, but ibid that we have not even seen the first seal opened. Another reason for believing this is because these plagues are meant to get the world’s immediate attention and therefore, if we have a fourth of the earth’s poplulation being killed by war, famin and plague spread out over 2000 years, then nobody is going to notice. Remember, it is written that this is a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning, til now or shall ever be and so it will be a time of unprecidented events of wrath, which is the day of the Lord. Since this time period is likened to a woman in birth pains, then that would suggest intensified pain becoming closer together as these plagues are unleashed fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah when God says, “I will make man scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold Ophir.” And Jesus echoed this same time period when He said, “Except those days were shortened no one would survive.” The above cannot take place if in fact these plagues were to be stretched out over a 2000 year period. The urgency and seriousness of the time period is revealed in the announcement, “The great day of their wrath has come and who can stand?” Therefore, the bite is taken out of the above statement when one interprets these plagues as taking place over a 2000 year time span.

    When the wrath of God begins to take place the world will certainly know it and it will be worse that any Scifi movie than man can come up with. But I bid that the true church will not be here for it, as we will have already been removed from the earth, since there is no reason for God to pour out His wrath upon those who have already received His Son and have repented, which is the goal of His wrath for those who are upon the earth during this time of unprecidented trouble.

    • i really hope this is the most correct interpretation…as I hear reports of Nibiru flying toward earth, due next year.

      • The “Now” above could equal “The age of Grace” or the time that we are still currently in regarding the church.
        The end of this New Covenant, or “age of Grace” could be referred to as “the Last Day” implying from that time forward, that it is now the time for God’s wrath to commence.
        Perhaps that gives us new meaning to the following scripture?

        And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing , but should raise it up again at the “last day”. John 6:39.

        And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the “last day”. John 6:40

        No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the “last day”.
        John 6:44

        Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the “last day”. John 6:54

        Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the “last day”. John 11:24.

        Be Blessed

  16. The question is….has The book of Revelation started???

    “He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches”
    Revelation 2:7

    My general problem with the people are those that can’t hear the voice of God?????

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    Ephesians 6:12

    • dear litiah

      yes, I would say things have started, and this will be more evident by the end of the year.

    • Hello Litiah, Marianne and all,

      In regards to your question, I would have to say NO! The events from Revelation 4 and on have not yet begun and here is my reason for why I believe this:

      The book of Revelation is divided up into three parts as designated by the Lord when he told John to write the following:

      “Write therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.” (Rev.1:19)

      1. Write what you have seen
      2. What is now
      3. What will take place later

      What you have seen:
      This consists of John’s vision of the coming of Christ with the clouds at the end of the age and his vision of the Lord in his Glorified state.

      What is Now:
      The “What is Now” is represented by the letters to the seven churches, which not only represents the literal churches of that time, but is in represention of the entire church period. The “What is now” period is difined from the time John was told to write, to the time that the voice that sounds like a trumpet in Rev.4:1, tells him to come up here and to show him “What must take place after this.” The “Now” time period represents the church period which we are currently still in.

      What must take place after this:
      Rev. 4 onward is representing the “What must take place after this,” that is, What must take place after the “Now.” or what must take place after the church period, which will have just completed. Since the Lord is still currently building his church, this would show that we are still in the “Now” part of what John was told to write, that is, we are stilll in the church period. Ibid that once God is done building his church, the resurrection and catching away will take place in preparation for his coming wrath and at which time the “What must take place later” part of Revelation will begin which is what the majority of the book of Revelation is given to. Therefore, since we are still in the “Now” this would mean that the first seal has not yet been opened and that because it is opened during the “What must take place later” time period. In other words, when the voice that sounds like a trumpet says to John “Come up here and I will show you what must take place later,” this brings an end to the “What is Now” time period, which is the church period and begins the “What must take place later” time period.

      Though we are currently seeing a lot turmoil in the world, I do not believe that we have even begun to see the birth pains and that because those events take place within the “What must take place later” time period. I do however believe that the events that we are seeing in the world today are definitely leading up to what must take place later. which is quickly approaching. The events that take place during that time period will be unprecidented and will be meted out in the form of the seven seals, trumpets and bowl jugdments, which are the wrath of God also called the day of the Lord.

      So to recap, I personally believe that we are still currently in the “Now” that is, in the church period and that the “What must take place later” that is, what must take place after the church period is quickly approaching. I hope that this shed some light on the subject.

      Yours in Christ

      • hi dmcal

        How do you know “later” did not mean after John’s time, which was any time in the following 2000 years? What identifies this period as “after the church period?”

        • Hi Marianne,

          The answer is–as I said previously– though the letters were actual letters to the seven churches, they are also reprenting the entire church period and they therefore represent the “Now.” The end of chapter 3 represents the end of the “Now,” that is, the end of the church period. Therefore, since the voice like a trumpet is telling John to come up here after the last letter, the “What must take place after this” is in reference to after the last letter, that is, after the church period, which would also coincide with the fact that the end of chapter 3 is the last time we see the word “Ekklesia” translated “Church.” In other words, this is the church period and here is what is going to take place after the church period.

          So to recap, the seven letters represent the “Now” which is the church period and the “What must take place later” is listed as taking place after the “Now” meaning that it takes place after the church period and therefore, the events that are contained in chapter 4 and on, take place after the church period.

          What is Now = The Church period

          What must take place later = After the church period.

          • Just to add to above if I may.

            Notice that there were 7 epistles to the 7 Churches.
            Seven (7) biblically represents completeness. This then would contribute theoretically to what Don has stated above. The 7 Churches represent the completeness of the Church age.

            As does the seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls, etc. represent the completeness of God’s wrath.

            Be Blessed

  17. wohoooooooooooo excited much..see you in Heaven Marianne🙂

  18. Shorten the days? How can the days be shortened? By spinning the globe faster?

    Shortened days…. You couldnt grow crops.

    I wonder how God will shorten those days. I wonder if NASA is aware of this coming situation, and is making preparations. Sounds silly, but I could see it.

    Birth pains. What would cause that? Is that the earthquakes?

    • hi Gary

      this is a time of tribulation and famine is part of it.

      so no or little crops.

      god can either make the earth spin faster to shorten each day, or he can shorten the number of days

      earthquakes, natural disasters, storms, floods, tsunamis, etc are part of the birth pangs.

    • Hello Gary,

      When Jesus says, ” If the days had not be cut short, no one would survive” it has nothing to do with speeding up the earth or anything of that nature. Jesus is simply saying that due to the wrath of God that will be taking place on the earth at that time in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, that if Jesus’ return was delayed any longer than 3 1/2 years, then no one would be left alive on the earth. The period of time has been established in Dan.9:27 as seven years in duration with the last 3 1/2 years being the worst of it.

      After all the other destruction and fatalities that will have been caused by the seals, trumpets judgments, the pouring of of the 2nd and 3rd bowls will trun the oceans, lakes, rivers and fresh drinking water into literal blood and that to impose vengence upon those who have shed the blood of the prophets and saints (Rev.16:3-6). That being said, Jesus return can not be far off once these bowls have been poured out and that because humans cannot go very long without water. I would not be surprised if all the stored bottled water was also turn into blood, for when Moses turned the Nile into blood it states that even the water stored in jugs was turned into blood.

      Jesus reference to “Except those days were cut short, no one would survive” is an echo to Isa.13:12 which says:

      “I will make man scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir.”

      Not being able to grow crops will be the least of the worlds problems, since by the time Jesus returns to the earth, there will be very few people left in comparison to the 6.5 billion that are currently here.

  19. They are no longer Birth Pangs but labor pains. There will be Millions of Tribulation Saints who will die rather than take the Mark. The Souls under the Altar are not Ecclesia Saints as we do not have the Spirit of Vengeance, as those who killed them will have taken the ETCHING on their skin thus showing they are worshipping the Beast.

  20. Human Population distribution is lop-sided.
    ==============================================

    The earth’s population is heavily skewed to one side of the statistical bell curve of averages. The most densely populated area is in Asia. The sum total population of the island continents of North America, South America and Australia/Indonesia all together makes up only a 7th of the whole planet, exactly one-seventh.

    When Revelation chapters 6 thru 9 take out (kill) their respective 1/4 and 1/3 of earth’s people, this could easily include the tiny 7th (of those three continents) with plenty of room left over to add to that death toll, a sizable chunk of Europe, Africa, or Asia.

    We know that the United Nations has for nearly 50 years now, been talking about the problem of the earth being over populated. That this over population ‘threat’ to mankind is very serious, as they call it is the biggest problem humanity has EVER been faced with. And that improved longevity by reason of modern medical advances are not a help, but rather are part of the overpopulation problem! And that removing a few billion people would help to cause earth to ‘more appropriately’ be in line with sustainability unto the healthy balance of all of nature. But the United Nations is noticably silent about what their jezebel pristess founder Alice Bailey ever so succintly termed “the plan” as to which billions are best suited for removal. But they do hint that those who are the heaviest consumers of goods per capita (users of unreplacable natural resources like oil and gas) are an identifable problem. I wonder which nation(s) they could be talking about? It does not sound like Africa or Asia. Now if the biggest collective governmental organization in the world which now embraces nearly 100% of all nations, says persistently year after year that overpopulation is our BIGGEST problem, it does not take a rocket scientist to guess that one convenient method whereby the Monarch of all World Governmental organizations could solve this life-threatening overpopulation problem, is to endorse a war which would wipe out a third of earth perhaps with neutron bombs so as to leave the area inhabitable but 100% uninhabited, but done ever so carefully enough as to leave the other two-thirds as well as the oceans healthy, alive, and sustainable. So when reading Revelation about these huge portions of humanity to die, just know that your governmental leaders of earth AGREE with the Book of Revelation, that killing off a major portion of humanity is something that ought to be done that is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for the long term best interest of both humanity and the very earth itself. The depopulation part of “The Plan” is a literal prophetic fulfillment of Rev 17:16,17 currently in progress.
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    Rev 9:16 describes what can only be rationalized as China’s army of 200 million troops, so we can with some degree of confidence conclude that central Asia will NOT be a significantly affected area by either the 1/4 or the 1/3 human mortality edicts. Kind of suspect that this huge army of 200 million troops will mostly remain alive during the whole of the tribulation in order that they (Rev 16:12) as part of the ‘Kings of the East’ be brought across the dried up Euphrates into the area of Armageddon.
    ====================================================
    And even though we have many brother and sister believers in Christ within China, there exists a curious phenomena with the name China. The Hebrew word for China is phonetically identical to the word ‘Sin’ in English. i.e. (Nun<-Yud<-Samaech) I have no idea how that came to be, but just accept it for what it is.

    There also exists a letter of the Hebrew alphabet which is phonetically the same 'Sin'. It is a left-handed marked Shin, emblematic of the unfavored goats on the left side.

    Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the LEFT hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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