Form of Godliness


Church says “no” to typhoon victims.

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Tim 3:5

News story:

Iglesia ni Cristo Church in Iloilo City refused to shelter the Filipino victims of Super Typhoon Yolanda.

Charity closed to non members


It is striking that they have such an attitude when people are losing homes during the onslaught of the super typhoon Haiyan.

Outside trees were falling and iron sheets from the rooftops of many houses were flying like paper sheets. In face of danger, it is natural tendencies of Filipinos to take shelter to Churches and schools.

Yet there members of Iglesia ni Cristo refused to open doors like the unmerciful inkeepers in Bethlehem during the birth of the Messia, refusing shelter to the Holy Family.

Take note, they pride themselves for having their chapel standing right after the storm, Good for them.

However, a house of worship that is not a house of charity is evil. Like the Pyramids of the pagans they stand as lasting memorial of the emptiness of the Pharaoh’s heart. 




This is the most heartless situation I have heard in a long time.

God says he shows mercy to those who show mercy. So this church has condemned itself.

Some countries are sending help.

Most noteworthy is Israel, that is sending money, as well as medical crews to help the victims.

I am also encouraged that the UAE, representing Islamic countries, is sending money.

Samaritan’s Purse, representing Christians, is also sending help.

The Lord is watching these situations, to see who is a sheep, who honors his name and obeys in love, and who is a goat, who claims his name, but denies help to those in need.

Eventually, each us will face danger and destruction. Will we merit help from God and will He send others to help us?

Maybe the time to merit this mercy, which we will all need soon, is now.

If we have no love for others in desperate need, then we have no real love for God either.


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56 Responses to “Form of Godliness”

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  2. Agreed, Marianne. Notice that this “church” not only refused to shelter victims, but feels justified (probably by God) that its walls are still standing amid the rubble. So, too, some large American churches think they are favored by God because they are rich. And this attitude spills over into politics, with the tired old exaggeration that poor people are all lazy and don’t want to “contribute.” Makes one really sick of being here on earth.
    I guess we should contribute to Samaritan’s purse if we have anything extra to give in these harsh days.

    • What an amazing situation that the church is unscathed..yet their uncaring actions of rejecting the people, when experiencing such a harsh, ravaging, life taking/threatening event is cruel and not of God. Maybe God is testing this congregation. By His grace He let the church stand but by His grace He may let it fall in some way …They need to seriously repent. The church is to help the poor, not the poor helping the church financially. How many new believers & saved people could have come from them opening their doors?! The kingdom of God would have truly prospered, lives would have been “saved” in more ways than one, what a shameful act. Now those people will turn against God…let’s all pray this congregation sees the error of their ways & reflect the ways of Jesus…

  3. Amen Marianne

    Hi all

    His greatest commandment pretty much says it all. “Love God with all your heart, your soul and your might, (and how do you do that?), and love(agape – philos) you neighbor as thyself.

    Jesus fulfilled the “LAW” by His example, and said ” Love one another as I have loved you”. That’s the whole of the Law. Everything else is window dressing — Clarke.

    If the world/Vatican observed the Law of God, none of this BS that we now see would exist!

    The Vatican IS THE BEAST. Beware

    • Dan,
      Just as Eve did in the Garden of Eden, mixing up the 2 trees and thinking that the second tree was “the tree in the middle of the garden,” you are mixing up what the most important commandment is. You are not alone- this is very common among Christians today.
      But really, it’s like this:

      .1) The first and greatest, most important commandment of Jesus, and
      .2) The second commandment of Jesus.

      It wasn’t 1 tree, and it isn’t “One Greatest Commandment.” It’s 2 commandments, in order of priority.

      And the First commandment is to love Yahweh, the LORD God of Israel, who was revealed by Moses and the Prophets, who manifested Himself in the flesh in the person of His Son Jesus the Messiah.

      The Second commandment is to love people, God’s way, walking with the LORD God. Not our own way, with a different God or on our own.

      • Actually, if I read your response correctly, you and I agree. The two greatest commandments are considered linked. One must exist with the other

  4. Samaritan’s purse aka the Graham’s??? They are true men of God…They are one of the few I trust to send donations..

    • Watch Franklin Graham closely. During the 2012 election they took Mormonism of their list of cults on their website. Not cool. Not cool at all.

  5. we are to give to are brothers and sisters in Christ is what i was raised to due i am a poor person in money wise food wise but if it wood help someone i would give them the clothes off my back i have given my coat to a homeless person many times over and would due it again amen to all the ones that are given to the best thy can every little thing counts in gods eyes

  6. Dan that is rediculous..The vatican is not the beast… John Himself shows us the beast comes out of the sea of people who are designated as the SAND OF THE SEA SHORE in Rev 13-1…These are the Arabs, aka muslims and those adopted into this kingdom of satan…
    Rev 13-1…And I stood upon THE SAND OF THE SEA, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    Catholics do not qualify to be of antichrist…These do not deny Jesus is Son of God and God is father… The muslims do…1 John 1-22..

    Saying Catholics, the pope, etc are of the antichrist is providing camoflauge to shield the real identity of the beast… It is Islam the kingdom of satan whereby lucifer has claimed HE IS THE OF OF ABRAHAM.. as prophesied in Isaiah 14-12 through ——

  7. lucifer has claimed HE IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM.. as prophesied in Isaiah 14-12 through ——

  8. You make a good point about Lucifer claiming to be the God of Abraham

    Muslims however, believe in Jesus

    The Vatican church/state is indeed the beast of revelation. Prophecy confirmed it. The Jesuits are anti-christ. This is known.

    Catholic believers are wonderful people. I believe 99.5% of them will be saved.

    Things are not what they seem brother.


    • Dan,
      Indeed “things are not what they seem.”
      Muslims do NOT believe in the Lord God Jesus the Christ, the Jewish Messiah and Son of God who is revealed in what we call “The Bible.”

      Muslims accept Muhammad’s testimony about himself and his teachings as “the Word of God” with no other witness needed- and they say if you disagree you’re a heretic. (Most Evangelicals do the same with Paul…)

      But the “Jesus” of Muhammad’s teachings is DIFFERENT than the Jesus of the 4 Gospel writers Matthew Mark Luke and John in the Bible. It’s not the same God at all. So for you to say “Muslims believe in Jesus” in this context is flat out wrong. Please open up the Gospels, ask Jesus to reveal himself to you, and see for yourself.

  9. Dan I agree with you except for the 99.5%. being saved in C.C. Their are a lot of wonderful People in the world. But you have to become a Son of God in the New Creation to make it. = born again. But only the Lord knows. Im glad He is the judge over it all. Amen.


  10. Thanks Tom,

    I may have the percentages wrong, but I hope 99.5% is the case.

    You are correct. Only the Lord knows

    I’m glad he’s the judge. Too many men trying to judge, including the
    omnibus Vatican “authority”.



    Malachy’s prophecy…
    During the last persecution of the Holy Roman church there shall sit Peter of Rome, who shall feed the sheep amidst the many great tribulations, and when
    these have passed, the CITY ON SEVEN HILLS shall be utterly destroyed and the awful Judge will judge the people.”

    Revelation 17-10..And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    This woman Babylon is the congregation of the Beast and his seven heads…
    The seven hills are the high places of Baal…

    Two antichrist prophesied by Nostradamus is Mohammed in the 7th century and his cloned return of today… These are Mohammed and the 12th mahdi..Hitler was possibly a counterfeit antichrist to hide the identity of Mohammed-Obama.

    A,ctually Nostradamus was an astrologist, not a prophet of God…God’s prophets do not divine by the stars, etc..

  12. Dan, Muslims believe in a Jesus called Issa…He is a wimply little man they say did not die and did not resurrect…They also say he is not Son of God… which proves muslims are of the spirit of antichrist…
    Islam is satan’s kingdom…Paul shows us in 2 Cor 11-4, 14….Satan comes as an angel of light (means a messiah like Jesus) and brings another gospel which teaches another Jesus and another spirit of god…These are mohammed with koran that teaches issa and allah… Islam is the beast kingdom of Rev 13…
    Islam’s shariah laws are the cursed ordinances of the old testament.these lead to death, not to life…

    • 1313 – You said – They also say he is not Son of God… which proves muslims are of the spirit of antichrist…

      “My Thought” – Welcome to America as well. Most Christians today do not think they have God in them and deny they are deity. The Holy Spirit “In you” makes you a NEW CREATION and that is because the God deity lives in you. Called the Celestial Body. Right NOW.
      John says “If anybody says that “Christ does not come in the flesh is an Anti-Christ”. That is pretty literal but most literalist do not believe that literal.

      You said – Islam is satan’s kingdom…Paul shows us in 2 Cor 11-4, 14….Satan comes as an angel of light (means a messiah like Jesus) and brings another gospel which teaches another Jesus and another spirit of god…These are mohammed with koran that teaches issa and allah… Islam is the beast kingdom of Rev 13…

      “My Thought” – they do not teach Jesus but Mohammed as their Prophet. Islam is Satan’s tares of evil. Along with any other unbelievers.

      “My Thought” – If ungodly Islam is the Beastly Kingdom – then where does this leave America. She is typed as Israel today as in Jesus 1st Coming. Anti-Christ. We have so many different Jesus’s in America you cannot count them on your fingers and or toes. We are worse off that Islam. The majority of Americans CLAIM to be Christians. Making us more “Deceiving Angels of light than Islam”.

      If you claim you got Christ and live as bad as Islamic and rest of World. You as a claiming Christian are very close to the point of no return. Where as Islam could still get right with God. Because they are not confessing Jesus Christ as Savior. Heb. 6 Paul tells us that Israel were just gazers upon Christ. And it was “Impossible” for them to renew their self after they had fully rejected and cursed, and killed their own Messiah. Where you going to get “redemption” after that. Where as the gentile pagans were taken in after Peter got 3 visions from the Lord to go Preach the Word to them.

      Israel was Blinded by their own O.T religion and traditions of light. Powerful revelation but so true. You can “clean your house out” but if you do not replace that Human “evil” spirit with the “Holy Spirit” the Bible says the Devil will come back and the latter state of that believer. Who once believed will be worst than when he started . Even 7 times more devils worse.

      Anti-Christ is in Every nation. Every Man or Woman are under their Nations and satans authority. UNLESS you live in Gods “Kingdom which is the Holy Spirit” which gives us authority over all of satan’s kingdom.

      The Lord looks at the Nature and Character of the Spirit of the Heart. He Knows what we do not. Who is who and who is not.

      bro. ty

      • I don’t think this reasoning lets Islam off the hook.

        It is a political ideology and so a kingdom of Islamic nations that are antichrist in spirit

    • Interesting…

      I’ll need to do more research on that.

      Thank you for your input


    • eeewwwwwwwww, I have had to hold my breath until now . . . . .
      “They also say he is not Son of God… which proves muslims are of the spirit of antichrist… ”

      Who are you (we) to judge WHO ARE YOU. You think you have to find an enemy outside of you.

      The timeliness of the Timeless.

      The poor, the weak, the hungry, the elderly, the disabled, are not simply charity projects. Everyone, each and everyone of us, are a whole piece of the whole picture. All of us have needs on some level, and all of us have something to give and to contribute. All are equal in value.

      We are all transformed from within.

      Many are concerned, so focused in finding and identifying the antichrist, they do so to the degree that they relinquish their own inner work. That is not to say that there are no enemies, no evil, no people behaving badly.

      “If we can band together and focus out there, we won’t need to be so busy with our own inner demons, our own sins, our own forgetfulness, or selfishness, or single self serving efforts.” But we tend to think that as a group if we are uniting as one against some thing or some idea, or some people or peoples, that this is what is righteous. this is what is good, this is what God wants.

      If we could stop judging a person, group, or groups, and remain concerned and more focused on our own relationship with God, our service to others and to God, removing our own faults and impurities, this world would be a much simpler place and life would be a whole lot easier. It would also leave us with more time to honor God and forward the Blessings.

      My sense is that God does not want us to judge and condemn – that is for God to do.

      Marianne – Please help me if I am astray.

      • Denise, Read 1 John 2-20.. and tell me , Was John a liar??? or prejudiced???…I did not fish it out of my own mind in determining ISlam is of the spirit of antichrist…There are many many scriptures to prove it…

        And about judging people read 1 corinthians 6-2, 3..Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

        God gives his people the truth while others flounder in lies and I sincerely believe He gives his people truth to help set others free from their delusional lies..
        And before YOU JUDGE ME agian, remember the words I have used are god’s wrods from the Bible.. He said it, not me…I only repeat it..

  13. Here is a good ministry to support that is going to the Philippines to help them.

    – ASLAN Team

    Donate to ASLAN International (all gifts are tax-deductible)

    Donate Online (one-time gift or monthly).

    Donate by Check.

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  14. Well. If this is true – this is truly sad, and truly sick. There are numerous postings of this on the NET though many are in the Philipino language.

    Careful be those with pride that their steeple still stands, but forces God’s children go without shelter. It still amazes me how cruel we can be to one another, or that one group feels they are better than another.

    It sort of speaks to me that perhaps this church was not worthy to receive God’s children. I hope / trust they found shelter some where. How much of an insult that must have felt in the midst of such tragedy.

    I am so thankful the Almighty shall be the one to judge – all of us – for our actions and thoughts, and inactions, and for the last word to not be that of man.

  15. What a sickening attitude that chuch had.. That church just stored up the wrath of God upon itself. It will be far worse when that happens. God is just.

  16. .It seems a lot of people do not understand rev. 13. And the seven headed dragon beast….Revelation 12-3 shows the dragon w/seven heads AS A WONDER IN HEAVEN…And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    It is a short walk to see that this dragon and his seven demon cohorts are none other that Lucifer of Isaiah 14-12 through ? …Did not Lucifer says he would exalt his throne in Heaven and he would be like god, specifically the god of Abraham…
    Isaiah 14-16 shows also that Lucifer will come as man….Herein we have the counterfeit of God becoming man…

    The dragon and his seven demons give the first beast his throne (seat)..Rev 13-2..Just as Jesus was god in flesh, this first beast is Satan in flesh aka indwelled by Satan and his friends..
    This beast makes war with the saints of God..He usually kills them by beheading as Muslims continue to do….

    The saints he overcomes are recorded in Rev 13-11…These HAD two horns like a lamb BUT now speak like the dragon because the indwells them…These are the one third Stars that are overcome by the dragon’s tail (tail = false prophets) and cast down to earth… These are the tares in Christianity who have grown up with the wheat till this day of separating…

    To sum it up…the dragon and friends are claiming they are the god of Abraham…. How else could Lucifer claim he is God…?..Mohammed is their first messiah beast… He also returns after 1000 years as indicated in other verses… He is here now… When Satan walks the earth all the earth is hell…. We are seeing that today…

    There is much much more to this story…

    One other thing..God dubbed Ishamel and descendants as THE SAND OF THE SEA SHORE….John shows us that out of this sand of the sea will come the Mohammed beast…
    The Bible also shows us when Mohammed/Satan returns after 1000 years he will gather the men that are numbered as the SAND OF THE SEA SHORE to battle Jesus…Rev 20-7,8..

    Does anyone think God’s memory was so faulty he was not referring to Ishmael’s descendants when He spoke of the SAND OF THE SEA SHORE in Revelations …
    Rev 13-1… And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (sea of Arabs),, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    Rev 20-,8..And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    Can anyone say ARAB SPRINGS that Obama is gathering as we .

  17. Matthew are you implying that Jesus two love laws are like the tree of life and … Paul’s version of the two love Laws are like the tree of knowledge of good and evil???

    Matthew do you even know what the two trees in Eden were, not to mention the fact you comparing these two trees to Jesus two commandments if not purely stupid it is words to confuse the reader…

    The two trees are both defined as wisdom…The tree of life is God’s wisdom Proverbs 3-13, 18…The tree of knowledge of good and evil is Satan’s version of God’s wisdom…Genesis 3-6…The serpent told Eve if she ate of his tree she would be as wise as god.. This shows clearly that Satan was giving Eve his version of God’s wisdom… About like you and the Muslims are doing..

    There is absolutely no comparison to the two trees and Jesus two love laws..

    Do you even know what original sin was???? If you depended on the Bible and God’s spirit to lead you into truth instead of men’s opinions you might have uncovered this little mystery..

    Matthew did you come to steal the word of God out of Marianne’s mind and her flock…

  18. Eve,
    “In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.” [Genesis 2:9]

  19. Jehovah’s witnesses move one comma in their efforts to prove Jesus is not god….
    You, Matthew try to remove Paul and his many letters, etc. from the Bible…IIf the old covenant laws and ordinances saved men the new covenant would not be necessary… You friend are earning your seat in hell…

    You still did not tell me what you think original sin was….It was more han just disobedience..

    • I think if one rejects Paul in part or all together, they may avoid some things that may confuse, but other things that may enlighten,

      • If someone rejects Paul and his teachings, I would seriously have to question if they are truely saved. Yes, God knows all hearts and He is the final judge but to reject Paul is downright heresy. We might as well throw out any other part of the Bible that offends us…..

        Just pick and choose the parts that are pleasing and conform to our own standards. NOT! That’s making God and His word into our own image.

        It’s good to question and seek for the truth,but if you outright reject the scriptures, then one really is in danger of falling away permanently.

        I fear for that person.

    • Eve,
      “The LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.'” [Genesis 2:16-17]

  20. God said “I have declared the end from the beginning…”
    A hint,,,The two trees in the garden which are God’s wisdom and satan’s version of God’s wisdom ..The tree of life leads to life and the other tree leads to death..These ,are comparable to the two gospels that are here now…The gospel of christ which leads to life and the gospel of antichrist-koran which leads to the second death
    Satan’s tree and his gospel cause men to become liars and killers… Cain was an example… Jude speaks of those who go in the way of Cain in Jude 1-11.. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
    Cain’s way and Baalam and Core was the asrology delusion…

    The people today who follow after the astrology lore are those who promote THE GOSPEL IN THE STARS, and allah who was the ancient moon god of astrology until mohammed declared him the god of Abraham..

    I have also read many sites about those who reject Paul and mix asrology lore into their doctrines …like the wonders in heaven being blood moons, etc…The two wonders in heaven are in Rev. 12-1, 3.
    The Lord said, scarely will the righteous be saved and I am beginning to understand why….They are depending on men for the truth of the Gsopel and only God has the truth of his words…

  21. The Book of Revelation is a Summary of the whole book of the 1st Century Church “Age”. Starting with the Revelation of Jesus Christ. And also what the New Testament Church had to Overcome to be His bride. We know for sure who was the anti-Christ of that day.

    The N.T.
    Remember that Heb. 13:8 – Jesus Christ the same, Yesterday, Today and Forever. John’s whole writing of the Book of Revelation was history of what Christ did for us. And who the enemy of His Soul was also. Letting us know that in every age it is the same. Maybe different players but all of the same seed as what Christ and the 1st century had to deal with.

    Prophesy has “compound meanings”. When you can figure out the meaning of what John is revealing in Christ Generation. This same thing happens to our Generation and every Age from Jesus to Now.

    We are at the End of the World – World means Age. generation. Noah came to the End of His World. Moses came to set free Israel at the end of the Age or world of captivity and slavery. That age lasted 430 years. Then they was promised to move on to the next Age or NEW world of the Promised land being Free and not slaves to “satans pharaohs” and governments and most of all ” False Religions” of paganism.

    This is the way God does things and He never changes. So that the believer can understand what is going on and not be fooled or deceived or relaxed and miss the “Coming of the Lord ” the fresh manna of the Word to every age. If the church is always looking into the Future they will always miss what is happening at the moment or present. Take Israel for you GREAT EXAMPLE. Jesus just could not have been the MESSIAH that was in the Bible scriptures. So they looked into the future and killed their Messiah. Also bringing judgment upon their generation and it false religion disappeared for almost 2,00 years. They had Moses message so mixed up with man made traditions and creeds that it became a stumbling block instead of the simplicity that was in the 10 commandments. Balaam’s hireling prophets teaching the commandments of men. Pagan to the core. O.T and N.T.

    You can see in Moses day the 7 Seals being released upon the World along with Gods church being their to experience it all as well.

    Was their not 7 Kingdoms of the O.T World. Daniel spoke of 5 which included the Kingdom of Clay as the fifth. So you had Egypt , Assyria. Babylon, Mede-Persia, Grecian, Imperial Roman = Iron Rome – ruled in Jesus day along with the Sanhedrin combined together, Papal Rome- “Clay” which is the revised Rome took over after the translation and Imperial Rome fell. And they are still ruling over the anti-Christ church and going into perdition as Revelation 17:11 teaches us. Each of those ages ended except for the last one which is the age of Papal Rome “the clay” has stuck everywhere in this world we live in today. Papal Rome is in control of the Majority of Christianity Balaam style. Who sits in the Seat of Authority in Rome the 7th. age going into the 8th. now which is destruction. As “satans” great Popes declare they are Prophets and replaced Christ. But will not Deceive the real Bride of Christ Rev. 2:13 that age had “satan in authority” over the church as well.

    You see Imperial Rome translated into “Angels of light” when they took on the “Name of Christ” into their pagan worship and word. Yet saying they are Christians. What a lie that is. Now I’m not talking about the Catholic People as much as I am the System of Evil that rules it.

    This is the anti-Christ that has deceived as far back as the 3rd Church age – of the Dark ages. Its still with us. Just as Egypt’s pagan ways stayed with Israel most their whole life but the few elected escaped it by listening to their God sent Prophets.

    After their Millennium of Solomon’s age – it went all down hill for Israel.
    The Bride loved the “Rapture” that took them out of Egypt. The Rest of Israel loved Paganism more than Moses Law of Love.

    America we have pasted are “Golden age” as well. We are on a down hill slide to destruction. The Rapture has already taken place and you did not know it. Christ has Already send the 7th. Age Prophet and you did not receive him. As they did not John when introducing Jesus is here. And even pointed to Him . They just could not believe it. Lord help your Church to see these great mysteries and understand.

    Every age is like this. The Lord has revealed it to us by His Word. Which remains the same always. I know its to simple for most to understand. But Jesus made it so simple that a wayfaring man and a simpleton could understand it over wise and prudent scholars of every age.

    bro. ty

  22. 1313 – Do you realize what you did below. You accuse Matthew of two laws being the two trees – then write the below- making Matthew right on his discovery of meaning.

    1313 You wrote this to Matthew
    The two trees are both defined as wisdom…The tree of life is God’s wisdom Proverbs 3-13, 18…The tree of knowledge of good and evil is Satan’s version of God’s wisdom…Genesis 3-6…The serpent told Eve if she ate of his tree she would be as wise as god.. This shows clearly that Satan was giving Eve his version of God’s wisdom… About like you and the Muslims are doing..There is absolutely no comparison to the two trees and Jesus two love laws..

    My thought – you explained it pretty well for Matthews version.
    The 2 commandments below
    The very 1st commandment is = Thou shalt not have no other gods before thee.
    2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down to them are serve them; For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God,

    1. “The Tree of Eternal life is God” and He is a jealous God –
    a. All Wisdom and life, prosperity, Love, Grace, Mercy, And Authority,
    And your life will be a “Heaven on Earth”. Loving your fellowman.

    2. The Tree of Death – is the Carnal temporary Wisdom of mankind becoming gods. Don’t eat from this one cause it will kill you. You will live under a curse, you will have to labor by the sweat of your brow. Sickness, disease, war, hate, And become a murder of your fellowman. etc. etc.

    Comparison to: Cain and Abel – to opposites. One Saved Other Lost
    I got to go with Matthew on this one 1313.
    Maybe I just misunderstood your writings.

    bro. ty

    • Tom the comparison I and Matthew were refering to was the two trees and the two love laws of Jesus…Not the two commandments…

      Matthew are you implying that Jesus two love laws are like the tree of life and … Paul’s version of the two love Laws are like the tree of knowledge of good and evil???

  23. 1313 Eve,
    “…on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the TREE OF LIFE.”
    [Genesis 3:24]

  24. Matthew…The tree of life is God’s wisdom..He has been unsealing it for years. to some….How say you the tree of life is not available today..

  25. Matthew you are a pitiful soul!!!!!

  26. The understanding of Eden, the mystical trees and that origin is truly of great importance to the knowledge of truth and the declared future. Lets be more thorough in seeking out this ancient eternal truth. If the tree of knowledge of good and evil were to compare with love for the neighbor…. why was its use forbidden? The only comparison is in the numbers but not in application. The tree of life is the wisdom that emanates from above, while all other forms of wisdom are categorized in the tree of knowledge of good and evil, that is experimental knowledge where the results are undetermined but judged of God to all result in certain death.

  27. Just some thoughts on the 2 Trees.

    GEN 1:11- And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the FRUIT TREE YIELDING FRUIT “AFTER HIS KIND” , whose SEED is in ITSELF , upon the earth: and it was so.

    GEN. 2:9- And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the TREE OF LIFE also in the MIDST of the garden, and the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

    GEN 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your EYES shall be opened, and ye shall be as gODS, knowing good and evil.

    The SEED is the WORD planted. Whatever it yields tells what kind of seed it was. = Parable of the Sower Matt. 13 and other places in Bible – Gen. 1:11 Is your tree yeiding fruit after Carnal Knowledge or Life of Righteouness = right wise ness.

    Just one tree — of Carnal Knowledge of the wisdom of Sin and Unbelief. = Death
    Just One tree –of Life – Godly knowledge and wisdom. – Eternal life

    TWO SEED TREES in the N.T
    1. Notice the EYES in Gen. 3:5 –
    I JOHN 2:16 For all that is in the world, the “lust of the FLESH “, and the “lust of the EYES“, and the PRIDE OF LIFE , is not of the Father, but is OF THE WORLD .
    2. The EYE is the GATEWAY to your soul of your passions. Earthly or Heavenly.
    3. MATT 13:23 But he that received SEED into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
    4. LUKE 8:11- Now the parable is this: The SEED is the word of God.

    MATT6:22-24 The LIGHT of the BODY is the EYE : if therefore thine EYE BE SINGLE , thy whole body shall be full of light.
    23. But if thine EYE BE EVIL, thy whole body shall be FULL OF DARKNESS . If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
    24. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    Eve was swayed by the Eye and Adam fell for her – they enjoyed the fruit of their Carnal knowledge – They came from the Earth still yet it says above they could still “be gods“. That was a true statement from Gods Word. Think about it. What if you partake of Gods Tree. Who is IN YOU.


  28. The Bible is full of allegory and metaphor.

    The “tree” of life obviously refers to Jesus

    The tree of Knowledge of good and evil obviously refers to Satan

    Many things in the Bible are quite simple to understand

  29. Dan – a lot of believers do not think it’s that Simple. I try and make it simple. And then many say i’m into Spiritualism.

    Now a Question – If the “tree of life ” is Jesus
    Then who is the “Tree of Death” = ___________


    • lighthouse,

      I agree.

      The “Tree of Life” is obviously our Lord Jesus. For there to have been an actual “tree” that Adam and Eve must literally eat from flys in the face of logic. Since we know that the Bible uses allegory and metaphor, it’s easy to conclude the obvious about the Tree of Life

      The other entity in the Garden that knew of good and evil was obviously Satan/Lucifer appearing as the most beautiful angel that he was. It’s easy to see why Eve was beguiled by him. Lucifer was/is obviously the “Tree” from which sprung knowledge of good and evil. The Lord certainly didn’t encourage them to try evil; although Satanist contend that Jesus did in fact do it. Further, many contend that they are one in the same. But that’s a different subject.

      Are you inferring that the tree of death and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil are one in the same?


  30. God said He declared the end from the begining…
    I think the two trees reprsent the two gospels in latter days…The Gospel of Christ as the tree of life and the gospel of anitchrist-koran as the tree of knowledge of good and evil…If we eat of the Gospel of Christ we remain or become in the image and likeness of God and will live forever…
    if we eat of the gospel of antichrist, we become desolate of God’s spirit as did Adam.. Gen 3-22 and we will die…
    Cain is an example of eating from the bad tree…He became a liar and a killer and thought the god he worshipped was the same god of Abel….About like muslims say allah is the god of Abraham. that Christians and Jews worship..
    It seems we are either transformed or made desolate by what we read and believe..

  31. Dan and 1313
    Appreciate your answers – mine would be if Jesus Christ is the tree of life. He is then the Eternal Spirit of mankind which also is called the Holy Spirit.

    Then Adam was seduced by the “Tree of carnal Knowledge”= flesh. Then Adam’s spirit fell to a mere Human Spirit. The fall – From Eternal to Mortal. Mankind means Mortal.

    Both Spirits are indeed of God. For God is the creation of all Spirit life. Jesus Christ redeemed us back by His blood life.
    Jesus was called the 2nd. Adam and was a “Quickening Spirit” that bought back the “fallen Adam” race. Making us brand New Creation to Eternal life. Rev. 3:14 The beginning of the “creation of God. Christ has made it possible for all men to repent and receive Eternal Salvation.

    Just interesting to me. Cain could have received it. But turned it down with wrong sacrifice. But Abel and Seth could receive it cause Adam had to tell them all 3 about the fall and why and how sin entered into the World by him and Eve.
    So God let them understand what the sacrifice was. It was in the bloodline.
    They no doubt see Adam making sacrifice as well. Cain just did not believe it.

    • Lighthouse,

      Great post.

      Here is the reason for Cain’s problem – he did not put the spirit of anger under his feet (scorpion and snake) and it overcame Cain.

      “Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, ‘I have acquired a man from the Lord’…Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell (spirit fell).

      So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted?

      And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it” (Genesis 4, NKJV).

      [Cain knew that he was to rule over sin (anger in this case), putting it under his feet as in Luke 10:19. Cain was told by the Lord (The Word mad flesh) that sin lied at his heart’s door. Remember temptation leads to sin and sin (if not confessed) leads to spiritual death. Cain understood good/evil because of Adam and Eve eating of that fruit.]

      “And He said, ‘What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground. So now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you. A fugitive and a vagabond you shall be on the earth.’

      And Cain said to the Lord, ‘My punishment is greater than I can bear! Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.’

      And the Lord said to him, ‘Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him’ (Genesis 4).

      And so – the mark was placed upon the un-repentant man filled with anger (demonic) and then murder (stronghold of anger, demonic).

      It was from Cain that the blood line of “the lawless” one comes.

      Know you know the rest of the story.

      Thank you Lord for redeeming those who confess and believe that your Blood cleanses us from all unrighteousness (1st John, the complete letter).

      1 John 3:7-9

    • Lighthouse,

      I can buy your rationale

      Well said!


  32. Hey DJ,

    I just wanted to make a personal comment. I appreciate so much your passion for truth and to withstand the status quo. I believe that you (among others) will know and understand the “key of David” to unlock that which has been hidden from the beginning, to be revealed in these last days.

    Be Blessed my brother in the name of Messiah Yahshua

  33. Al,

    I was praying, talking with the Lord very early this morning – about you and other topics.

    “Lord, where is that guy?”

    “Lord, Al drags me into this dialogue of ‘grace vs law’ (which is a distraction and twisting of Truth) and then he drops out of HA, leaving me.

    Well, God Bless Al. Thank you, Lord.”

    So nice to see your reply this morning brother Al. 🙂

    Al, I can smell it (Song of Solomon 7:4) – these demons are playing like its the 4th quarter and the game is tied, thinking they are going to win (2 Peter 2:12-21).

    Then we read 1st John (the complete letter) emphasis on 2:12-14 and 5:2-4, 18-21.

    Sorry about the football analogy, but my Az Wildcats beat the Ducks yesterday (42 to 16) and I’m still pumped up about it.

    There was a time not so long ago when my passion for Az Wildcats was greater than my passion for the Lord. Enough of the sports –

    You my friend are a prophet and you many not know it.

    A vision was given to a dear friend (while we were diligently praying). This was a very vivid vision of the key of David.

    That vision was about a month ago – it was also confirmation, thank you Lord.

    I’d tell you about the vision and it’s application but to many eyes are on this reply. But, you already know what the key means. Ha!

    So, to let you know how much I appreciate your contributions – here is a set of verses from Psalm 119.

    “O how I love Thy torah! It is my meditation kol hayom.

    Thou through Thy mitzvot hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.

    I have more understanding than every melamed of mine: for Thy edot are my meditation.

    I understand more than the zekenim, for I keep Thy pikkudim.

    I have refrained my feet from every orakh rah, in order that I might be shomer over Thy Devar.

    I have not departed from Thy mishpatim: for Thou hast taught me.

    How sweet are Thy words unto my palate! Sweeter than devash to my mouth!

    Through Thy pikkudim I get understanding: therefore I hate every orakh sheker. Nun” (Psalm 119:97-104, OJB).

    For those who prefer the English Standard reading of Psalm 119:97-104,

    “Oh how I love your law!
    It is my meditation all the day.
    Your commandment makes me wiser than my enemies,
    for it is ever with me.
    I have more understanding than all my teachers,
    for your testimonies are my meditation.
    I understand more than the aged,
    for I keep your precepts.
    I hold back my feet from every evil way,
    in order to keep your word.
    I do not turn aside from your rules,
    for you have taught me.
    How sweet are your words to my taste,
    sweeter than honey to my mouth!
    Through your precepts I get understanding;
    therefore I hate every false way.”

    Blessings to you Brother Al.
    Psalm 20

  34. If Al is a prophet he should have no problem answering these questions…

    Who was God speaking of in Genesis 1-26.. When he said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE?

    What was the temptation of Eve..?
    A clue, why is Satan called the god of the world???

    Why if Jesus is God did He say He is Son of God??

    Why is the word signs in Genesis 1-14 and Cain’s mark spelled the same in Hebrew???
    Gen. 1- 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, (spelled OWTH in Hebrew) and for seasons, and for days, and years:
    Gen 4-15..And the Lord set a mark (mark spelled OWTH in Hebrew) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

    What is the curse of Moses Daniel 9-11..

    When did Lucifer claim he is God and fall from Heaven ..Isaiah 14-12-16

    What is the resurrection of the just and the resurrection of the damned…I’ll give you a clue…God said he would send srong delusion and they will believe a lie that damns them….

    The answers are all in the Bible if one learns to read correctly without personal interpretation..

    Tell me Al……

  35. Sounds like an article that could have been written after the flood of Noah. The truth is that there will come a time when the gates of heaven will close and no matter how hard you try to get Gods attention no one will enter in. Some will even get the a response of depart from me I never knew you. The harsh reality is that some people refuse to heed warning after warning after warning. The church is a safe haven but dont expect every door you knock at to automatically open. I would believe that the God protected those that responded to His call to hide under His wings.

    I am sorry for those that lost their lives. But maybe, just maybe, that church pointed out to us that we must seek the Lord while he may be found for there will come a day when you will not find Him. And there will be weeping an gnashing of teeth. The only people who will be safe is those who responded to His call and entered into His safe place before the days of trouble.

    Those who have a form of godliness is those that deny the power of the church. Thinking that it is a tool that they can manipulate and control. They reject the principles of God but desire the benifits that it brings. The message is simple – those that believe will have everlasting life, while those that dont shall experience eternal agony. In the end this remains…..born once, die twice. born twice, die once.

  36. Having ‘light’ (holiness) or self-righteousness or legalism without love profits nothing. It is only deceptive.

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