4 Blood Moon Tetrad Frenzy
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The 6th seal of Revelation describes a unique event that needs
proper interpretation.
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The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. (Joel 2:10, ESV)
The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. (Joel 2:31, ESV)
When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. (Rev 6:12)
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There is a big frenzy on the internet because there will be 2 red moons in 2014 and 2 red moons in 2015 that fall on Jewish feast Days.
While this is interesting, people fail to realize that blood moons are not unusual, and that having a blood moon may mean nothing at all.
Having them fall on a Jewish feast day is interesting, and may be seen as “bad luck,” but it is NOT a promise that something revolutionary, like the wrath of God, or that the 6th seal is about to
happen.
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People forget that not only will the sun and moon
turn dark at the same time, but the stars will also
fall from the sky!!!!!.
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Getting fixated on just some lunar eclipses is a waste of time, although I do think 2014 and 2015 will see troubles.
People are selling books now with this distorted prediction that the rapture will happen, all based on what the moon is doing, and they are ignoring that the fact that there is no predicted solar eclipse, or meteor shower, expected at the same time.
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Bad Diagram
This diagram is misleading.
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Solar eclipse 3/20/15 will be seen in western hemisphere only, and will not be seen in Israel.
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2015Mar20Tgoogle.html
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2015Mar20Tgoogle.html
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEplot/SEplot2001/SE2015Mar20T.GIF
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Lunar eclipse is not due until April 4 , 2015, two weeks later, and it won’t be visible in Jerusalem either.
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEplot/LEplot2001/LE2015Apr04T.pdf
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Understanding Eclipse Geometry
There is no natural way a solar and lunar eclipse can happen at the same time.
The sun and the moon are on the same side of the earth for a solar eclipse, and on opposite sides of the earth for a lunar eclipse.
So the sun and moon need time to each get into position for their own eclipse.
This is why they need to be at least 2 weeks apart.
It takes time to travel into position.
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How does the 6th seal event predicted in Joel and Revelation occur
then?
My view is that this is NOT an event due to consecutive solar or lunar eclipses, because the sun and moon turn dark at the same time, and the stars also seem to be falling from the sky.
1.. If there IS a lunar eclipse occurring, something ELSE has to be blocking the sun!
Maybe another planetary object……
Or
God just puts his hand over the sun to block it.
2.. if there is a solar eclipse occurring, then something else is turning the moon red.
Maybe something in the atmosphere
Or
God just turns it red for His own reasons.
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Since the stars also seem to be falling as well, this suggests a large meteor shower of some sort.
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If we put all 3 events together, it would seem that
an unusual heavenly event is occurring, which
affect the sun, moon and stars, ALL at the SAME
TIME.
I think you need to do more research. Obviously this is your personal opinion …
This is a very good summary of the Blood Moons.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PaKn8PI3B4Y
It is no “frenzy” but a sign for those with eyes to see. Mark Blitz explains with details.
Blessings
Psalm 27
Only a natmospheric condition seems to be a logical cause for all three effects. A solar eclipse would only last for a few minutes anyway, which is too short to be something ordinary.
I do agree that the Lunar eclipses affect Israel and the Solar eclipses affect the nations so these are signs of times(wars & disasters) that YHWH has created. When people don’t study these things, they become skeptical of these most important things of YHWH’s Word.
However, I do not believe in a PRE-tribulation rapture. No one is going up not even Jacob’s children before Yahshua actually appears in all His glory that is, after the 3 days of darkness. The Hebrews were not raptured in Egypt during the times of the plagues but were shielded by YHWH and so will the remnant be shielded as well as the few non-Hebrews who follow His ways when the intense troubles start. This rapture theory is a death trap that was the distorted teaching by the Roman Church, rather everyone should fast, pray, repent and return to YHWH for those who want to live with Him during His millennial reign.
Amen Bethany!
Believers are not subject to the plagues of Revelation – just as the Children of Israel in Egypt, because we are “children of the light” (1st Thessalonians 5:5). Thank you Father God. Thank you Lord!
Believers (followers of the Lord), “overcome him by the Blood of the Lamb and our testimony, even unto the death” (Revelation 12:11).
There will not be 3 days of literal darkness (last days) as there was not 3 days of literal darkness in Egypt.
In my opinion – Those 3 days of darkness (Plague # 9 in Egypt) were a spiritual, mental darkness. This event could not be simply visual sight restriction by a lack of nature light because Exodus chapter 10 does not tell us that the sun did not shine or was hidden, does it?
There is no account of God removing oil and wood from the Egyptians. There was not a plague upon oil, wood or fire. The Egyptians would have oil for lamps and wood for fire, right?
The text does not say fire light (candle, oil or burning wood) was removed from Egypt (ERV). It was a “cloud of darkness” falling upon them when Moses raised his hand into the air. Illumination from a flame was not hampered or removed from the land – that is an assumption. The darkness oppressing the land of Egypt was something only the Egyptians could “feel” (Exodus 10:21-23).
The book of Job gives an account of such darkness upon the so called “wise” but are truly wicked.
“He [God] frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that their hands achieve no success. He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end.
They meet with darkness in the daytime and grope at noonday as in the night.
But He saves the needy from the sword of their mouth and from the hand of the mighty. So the poor have hope, and injustice shuts her mouth” (Job 5:12-16, NKJV).
Oh my! Those crafty Egyptians! Those people who worshiped gods and went after the pleasures of the world.
At this same time, the Children of Israel, those under physical bondage, had light in their homes – peace, joy, loving-kindness, and other attributes of the light – the Spirit of God. They are the Israelites (pun not intended).
“He protects his holy people. He keeps them from stumbling. But evil people will be destroyed. They will fall in the darkness. Their power won’t help them win” (1st Samuel 2:9, ERV).
For You are my lamp, O Lord, and my God lightens my darkness. For by You I can run against a troop, and by my God I can leap over a wall. This God—his way is perfect; the word of the Lord proves true; He is a shield for all those who take refuge in Him” (2 Samuel 22:29-31).
“Commit your way to the Lord; trust in Him, and He will act. He will bring forth your righteousness as the light, and your justice as the noonday” (Psalm 34:5-6).
“…’A little while longer the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he going. So put your trust in the light while you still have it. Then you will be children of light” (John 12:35-36).
Our Lord tells a great deal about the power of the light, keeping us close to Him, trusting Him and being children of the light.
Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if one walks in the night he stumbles, because the light is not in him” (John 11:9-10)
Let us pray for those who are oppressed by the god of this world with its darkness and apply the armor of light through fervent prayers.
“The night is almost over, the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and arm ourselves with the weapons of light” (Romans 13:12, CJB).
I don’t have time to reply directly to this lunar/solar post. These is more to this topic, which may be helpful.
Quickly – the Blood Moons do occur on Feast days. But the cycle of these Blood Moons is very unique.
There is a “Saros Cycle Series” that began in 2013 and ends in 2016. There is no other Saros Cycle Series like this (3 year period) occurring this century.
More later.
Blessings
Psalm 29
Literal interpretations of a symbolic book can cause real problems. The keywords used in the book of Revelation are defined in the books of the prophets as to what they symbolize.
To anointed have not been chosen yet,
Amen.
“Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock, and it will be opened to you” (Matthew 7:7).
What is spoken in parables and Revelation is revealed in Scriptures.
Ever wonder about those pregnant women and those nursing babies (Matthew 20:19)?
“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!…For then there will be great tribulation (pressure, trouble, persecution) such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s (those chosen) sake those days will be shortened” (NKJV).
Start with this verse:
“But we behaved gently when we were among you, like a devoted mother nursing and cherishing her own children” (1st Thess 2:7, ESV).
The above verse is one of four verses, which gives insight (interpretation) to the parable Jesus shares with His disciples (followers) in Matthew 24:19 – a verse regarding the spiritual maturity of some Believers at the end of the age and His soon coming. It is a warning: best be prepared for spiritual and physical tribulation. But, those teaching “rapture” explain this parable as Hebrew women in distress.
Those who are nursing babies (Matthew 24:19) are pastors/teachers (1st Thess 2:7) in those days. They will be very busy with their “babies” who have received and are living on diet of milk, those not spiritually mature.
Those who are pregnant? Think Nicodemus.
“‘How can someone be born when they are old?’ Nicodemus asked. ‘Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!’
Jesus answered, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again’…'” (John 3:4-8, NIV).
So to understand the intriguing Matthew 24:19 parable requires both 1st Thess 2:7 and John 3:4. Confirmation on the new born Believer (Nicodemus) and a milk diet (Churches in the US/Western cultures) are found in 1st Corinthians 3:1-3 and Hebrews 5:11-14.
I don’t think these are pregnant Hebrew women, and those nursing babies, running from Jerusalm by the hundreds to the wilderness (literal).
Blessings
Psalm 29
DJ,
Matthew 24:19 is not about baby Christians talking about the rapture.
Matthew 24 is the answer to the question asked of Jesus, When are you coming back, and what will be the sign of your coming. Jesus answers that question by giving a synopsis of history. In the middle of his synopsis is Matthew 15-27 in which he is talking about Daniel’s prophecy and the time when the Muslims set up their abomination of desolation on the temple mount where it should not be, leaving it desolate and without hope, sacrifices abolished, standing there until the end where a false god claims to be God.
Matthew 24 15 says: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 15 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
(the verses above describe why the woman flees into the wilderness of the world for 1260 years, sheltered from the dragon until 1948 when she returns home and Ezekiel’s dry bones come to life, the desert blooms, and the fig tree buds.)
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, (Allah) and false prophets (Mohammed), and shall shew great signs and wonders (Rev. 13:13); insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(now that we are in the end times we are beginning to understand what Daniel was talking about, and the abomination is still standing there claiming to be God.)
After the tribulation of those days (which are still upon us) the sun will be darkened, the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 AND THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven….
Rev. 6:13 says it like this: And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
I take that literally. Everything before has happened literally. This will too, as surely as Jesus was born of a virgin, and rose from the dead on the third day.
chris
what is your time point of reference for the beginning of 1260 days?
70 AD + 1260 = 1330 AD
691 Dome of rock date #1 + 1260 = 1951 AD
683 Dome of rock date #2 + 1260 = 1943 AD
1948 – 1260 = 688 AD, abomination of desolation, midpoint of the final all encompassing 7, God’s number for completion.
1967 – 42 months of days = 688 AD
688 AD is the midpoint.
The beginning was during Daniel’s lifetime.
You hear a lot of dates, but this site is from Israel itself.
http://www.goisrael.com/Tourism_Eng/Tourist%20Information/Christian%20Themes/Details/Pages/Dome%20of%20the%20Rock%20%20%20chr.aspx
I’m delighted you clarified the problems with this predictive scenario.
I think the main thing which could bring darkening of both sun and moon would be a massive volcanic eruption, like ones which have happened before and darkened everything worldwide for months–not totally dark, but dim, blurry, depressing, and toxic. The stars would also be blurred, because this event would continue for months if not years, depending on how bad the eruption would be. So that would affect moon, sun, stars, all happening at once.
The stars falling from the sky could be a run-in with the asteroid belt, and some asteroids actually falling to earth, which could conceivably happen at the same time as the darkening of the moon and sun by the huge eruption of a volcano. Some scientists believe that the approach of a comet is not as mild as one thinks IF it passes near enough to planets to disrupt their energy fields and magnetism, and if it passes near enough to the sun to do the same. The debris field following Comet Ison this Fall, which will be at its height in January 2014, could provide such a scenario, as Ison is now passing near another planet in our system and sill pass near us in November and December. It probably won’t hit us, but its debris field might, as outlined by Stan Deyo and other online scientists. James McCanney does not think the Ison debris field will be that bad, but sees some magnetic and electrical challenges by this near-passing comet.
And might it not trigger a huge eruption and worldwide darkness?
I have seen a blood moon, it was in December of a few years ago. It is ugly and depressing to see this thing, as the moon looks like raw hamburger. Very ugly. I saw it clearly because air is very clear during that season of the year where I live. A perfect opportunity to see the blood red eclipsed moon. And as you say, Marianne, these are not uncommon, although falling on the dates of the Jewish festivals in 2014
and 2015 is less common and might seem to be prophetic signs because of their appearances on the feasts.
Bravo to your thinking on this subject.
I AM hoping for the pre-trib or mid-trib rapture. I just don’t know for sure when either the rapture or the trib will occur.
Mariel,
You know when – “at the last trumpet” (1st Corinthians 15:52).
Mark Blitz gives a great lesson on Hebrew Feasts.
So does this website.
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Introduction/introduction.html
Blessings
Psalm 103
mariel
I just think the cause has to be something unusual.
On this video, Mark Blitz explains his discovery. I don’t know what to think of it but let me tell you, it make a lot of sense to me. I believe the Feast of the Lord are foreshadows of things to come. I also would like to say that I totally agree with Bethany about the rapture not happening before the revelation of Jesus Christ, just read 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY1lIMr22aE
When it says that the Stars will fall from the Sk, it does not literally mean stars like our Sun!. What John saw were dots of light falling from the sky, which is why he referred to them as “Stars”.During the time of the great upheavel there will be Earthquakes, many Volcanoes exploding and also an Asteroid will crash into the sea!. A by product of that is matter that has been thrown into the upper atmosphere will fall back down, and will appear like falling stars, these will set fire to forests and grassland etc!
Glenn,
I was driving from Chicago to Ohio on the night a meteor shower hit about ten years ago. It was very stormy outside, and then there was what looked like lightning, a greenish color that seemed to last forever. As we drove further down the road the storm had cleared up and we could see that there were patches of fires every so often in the fields. The next day we heard on the radio that there had been a meteor shower that had been reported from Canada to Tennessee. I will never forget that green lightning. It was reported one of the rocks burnt a hole through a man’s roof. We were probably lucky it was raining that night or those fires could have spread.
Joel 2:31, Matthew 24:29, Act 2:20 and Rev 6:12 are describing when Nibiru comes between the earth and the sun.
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those dayS (plural) will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.
It doesn’t have to occur on the same day.
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those dayS (plural) of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
If the stars falls from the sky at the time of a blood red moon and the sun becoming blood red, it is either meterors or missiles causing a nuclear war, or the stars representing fallen angels which would describe perhaps a spiritual darkness falling upon the earth! or even could be both! I think it maybe nuclear and would fall from the sky and have the same reaction as stars in them! Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which “destroy the earth”.
Great article M, you have got us all thinking and some great replies. Believers must not be fooled, for God, it is all about Israel. The Godly Jews have been predicting the 4 blood moons for a number of years and predict WW III in 2015 with the Messiah coming in 2018. If you do the numbers and relate it to the Feasts of Israel (the Lord), the Sabbaths and the Jewish Jubilee Years then the Jews do have a strong argument for their predictions. Anyone who doubts God’s power should understand that God can send us all back to the stone age with an EMP blast from the sun which almost happened a few weeks ago. For Christians, we are about to become the “new terrorists” of the world especially the American Christians of your beloved President Obama (beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/09/15/they-will-be-the-most-hunted-people-on-the-planet/christians). Obama’s Muslim duty is to carry out the caliphate of the Muslim Brotherhood for world caliphate or Islamic world rule (http://www.rightsidenews.com/2013091533192/world/terrorism). Obama has already told the UN leader that the US would be an Islamic country by 2016. The reason the UN hates Christians is they know we have the power of God to destroy their evil intentions spiritually and supernaturally. Believers must never feel despondent or defeated, you have the power of God at your request if you will just believe deeply and trust deeply. When you pray, the “doing part” is the Believing part. If you believe in your prayer and it is the will of God then your prayer will be answered. Praise the Lord, Amen.
Allan,
Good post.
oh god….NO ONE WHOS THE DAY OR THE HOUR OF THE RETURN OF JESUS!!!!! gzzzz
The interesting thing about the March 20, 2015 solar eclipse is that it goes directly over Svalbard, Norway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard
Svalbard is home to the “Doomsday Seed Vault”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault
In Revelation, the 5th Bowl has darkness occurring over the land of the antichrist. If this darkness is an eclipse, this is an indicator of the antichrist, possibly the new Jewish king since Nisan 1 is considered the “new year for kings”. http://www.inner.org/times/nisan/E68-06B28.php
As to the main point of the article, I don’t see how sun to black, moon obscured could happen at the same time anyway since one doesn’t see the sun and moon together to begin with. So, why can’t it mean solar then lunar eclipse?
Could it be that a solar eclipse is caused by the return of Nibiru? Causing a solar and lunar eclipse at the same time?
caasi
Nibiru would be the most logical explanation, but since many people do not accept that it is real, I just left it as a general possibility that it was just “something out there.”
To All,
“The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet: “Nibiru” According to the Cuneiform Sources” By Michael S. Heiser Ph.D., Hebrew Bible and Ancient Semitic Languages University of Wisconsin-Madison.
This paper will address these questions in the course of four discussion sections:
Overview of the scholarship on Nibiru
How often and where does the word “nibiru” occur in cuneiform texts? What does the
word mean, and is there an astronomical context for the word in any of its
occurrences?
What are the cuneiform astronomical sources for our knowledge of ancient
Mesopotamian astronomy?
What do those sources tell us about Nibiru?
Click to access nibirunew.pdf
Blessings
Proverbs 7:11-12
To All,
The originators of “Nibiru” are the Babylonians.
This is a telling line from the ancient text, which seems to be the foundation for this Nibiru – Planet X.
“The stars of heaven, let him [Nibiru] set their course; let him shepherd all the gods like sheep” (Enuma Elish, Tablet VII lines 126-127).
Click to access nibirunew.pdf
Who is this shepherd and who are his sheep?
“In 1976, the late Zecharia Sitchin stirred up a great deal of controversy with the publication of his book, “The Twelfth Planet”. In this and subsequent books, Sitchin presented his literal translations of ancient Sumerian texts which told an incredible story about the origins of humankind on planet Earth – a story far different and much more fantastic than what we all learned in school…
Most historians, anthropologists and archeologists consider it all Sumerian myth, of course. But Sitchin’s work has created a diehard cadre of believers and researchers who take the story at face value. And some of them, whose ideas are getting widespread attention thanks to the Internet, contend that the return of Nibiru is close at hand – possibly as soon as somewhere between now and 2013!”
http://paranormal.about.com/od/zsitchinniburu/a/Is-Nibiru-Approaching.htm
“NASA scientists reportedly have confirmed that the planet Nibiru will collide with Earth in July of 2013.”
http://www.kenyan2013.com/2012/03/25/earth-to-collide-with-nibiru-on-july-21-2013/
The original prediction that Nibiru would collide with earth came from an unlikely source. A Wisconsin woman Nancy Lieder said that as a young girl she was contacted by extraterrestrials called Zetas who had set up a communication device in her brain and sent out messages to her and they had told her about the Nibiru collision.
Though she had predicted the year of doom as 2003, however it has been linked with the year 2013 after the interpretations with Sumerian and Mayan calendars. According to the interpretation recorded by astronaut writer Zecharia Sitchin, it is said that a planet that crosses Earth once in 3600 years and is an opportunity for the Annunaki (the inhabitants of Nibiru) to interact with the humans.
NASA is publicly denying anything about collision (and even deny the existence of Nibiru), but privately several sources in NASA have confirmed the projected collision date of July 21, 2013.
The Nibiru collision with Earth in 2013 had been predicted for a while, but astrophysicists, cosmologists and astronomers around the world have come to a consensus that Earth will collide with the planet, which lies just outside Pluto.
Nibiru, in Babylonian Astronomy translates to “Planet of Crossing” or “Point of Transition”, especially of rivers, i.e. river crossings or ferry-boats, a term of the highest point of the ecliptic, i.e. the point of summer solstice, and its associated constellation.
The establishment of the Nibiru point is described in tablet 5 of the Enuma Elish. Its cuneiform sign was often a cross, or various winged disc. The Sumerian culture was located in the fertile lands between the Euphrates and Tigris rivers, at the southern part of today’s Iraq.
As the highest point in the paths of the planets, Nibiru was considered the seat of the summus deus who pastures the stars like sheep, in Babylon identified with Marduk. This interpretation of Marduk as the ruler of the cosmos was identified as an early monotheist tendency in Babylonian religion by Alfred Jeremias.”
Those who believe Nibiru is approaching say that scientists do know all about it and are just covering it up.
The original text tells me a great deal about this topic and those that received this “revelation”.
“The stars of heaven, let him [Nibiru] set their course; let him shepherd all the gods like sheep” (Enuma Elish, Tablet VII lines 126-127).
Blessings
“Make me to know your ways, O Lord; teach me your paths.
Lead me in your truth and teach me, for you are the God of my salvation; for you I wait all the day long” (Psalm 25:4-5).
July 2013 Nibiru hits the earth? Yeah right.
And then there was the popular You Tube idiot who carefully calculated that Nibiru would cause 3 days of darkness on September 26th. Anyone notice that?
I just checked YouTube and there were at least a dozen on popular videos predicting Nibiru would be here in August. These You Tube idiots are dropping like flies. Its obvious that none of them really know anything and they are simply getting on the Nibiru bandwagon, having fun making silly videos and trying their best to scare people.
I have a theory that these are old computer hackers who got tired of messing with peoples’ computers and decided to mess with their heads instead. They are just mischievous kids who get enjoyment by fooling gullible people.
But their time is coming to an end. The whole thing will eventually collapse under the weight of their false predictions. Tens of thousands have been proven false and it won’t be long before everyone realizes that it is all a scam.
Anyone still believe the Mayans?
Ok, I will try to spill some information I have gathered over time.
From my understanding, there are many blood moons that happen through history which have no significant meaning what so ever.
But then, there have been 7 total lunar tetrads that have happened on Jewish feast days, since the birth of Jesus.
meaning 4 total blood moons on the holidays. Now I don’t remember the entire set of dates, but for example
in 1492/93 (or around this time) the Jews were kicked out of Spain.
1948/49 Israel became a state again.
Some other things happened as well in history, but apparently only these tetrads happened and signified something serious.
it will happen in 2014/15 and then won’t happen again for a veeeeeeeeeery long time. So something could be headed our way from this time event.
I am not try to scare or anything, but that is something to keep an eye on.
hope all is well 😀
serilei,
1492, 1948,and 1967, and 2014-2015 with a solar eclipse on 3/20/2015.
No more for hundreds of years.
4/15/14 Passover
10/8/14 Sukkot highest holy day following feast of trumpets
3/20/15 Solar eclipse
4/4/15 Passover
9/28/15 Sukkot
Comet ISON is going to be in perihelion, rounding the sun on,
Thanksgiving, Nov. 28, 2013.
That is the same time the sun is going to be changing polarity, as it does about once a decade — but not while a wild comet is passing through!
ISON is predicted to pass closest to the earth December 26. Merry Christmas.
Will the sun change ISON’s course? Who knows. Maybe it will be burned up by the sun. Wouldn’t that be wonderful.
I think we should pray that we will be worthy to escape the things that are coming on the earth. The way I understand that verse is that we are made worthy by faith in Jesus. I’ll be going however he wants me to go, comet or no comet, but its probably better to die instantly from a 100 pound asteroid, than be tortured all through the time of God’s wrath? Whatever, I’m trusting Jesus.
If I had to predict, I would say that since we are the witnesses in Rev. 11:12 at the 6th seal, when we hear Come Up Hither, that is when we go up, and the rest of the world will go through the seventh of everything, seals, trumps, and plagues. The Jews by then are figuring out that they have to repent because the Christians are gone, so they begin to take their days of repentance after the feast of trumpets very seriously until Jesus comes back shortly thereafter on Sukkot, and then there is a year of Jubilee, 2015-2016.
Somewhere in there it will probably get pretty dark. You know the old saying, it’s always darkest before the dawn.
thanks for the dates for ISON.
don’t understand why the solar eclipses are important? they don’t happen all over the earth at the same time! so if it is israel’s solar eclipse, we won’t even see this sign!
david
in a solar eclipse, the sun turns dark. by itself it means nothing.
the prophecy involves the sun turning dark at the same time the moon turns red, and the stars seem to fall from the sky
I guess what I am trying to say is that if the sun is blackened by a solar eclipse, then this will have to be a local sign and not a global one.
The Plagues are already here. Its Darkness through out the world. the 6th. Seal is already opened. And if one would just look at the Floods, Tornadoes, Earthquakes like never before. Men’s heart felling for fear.
The only way this World could get any worse is to Explode.
We already have millions of rich people that have got their secret hide ways in the mountains and In other countries.
Sickness and Death are a normal process in huge proportions as never before in history. Its happening right now.
Hearts are wicked, with no natural affections. Israel is already in her homeland since 1948, Got back the city in 1967 – That is all that God promised them. They have to receive the Messiah just like we did. By Hearing the Word of God and it Comes and Gathers you into the Barn.
The rest will be burnt with fire and brimstone. Look up brimstone you might be surprised what it means.
It would behove us to get our eyes off of the Devils world and into the Kingdom of God. The World is going to perish. Let it go friends. Be solid in Christ and His love.
Gods Kingdom is Love and peace in the Holy Ghost.
The Worlds kingdom is Hate, War, and ALL Nations in perplexity. = NO ANWER – The anti-Christ is revealed already. How blind can we be.
I guess as blind as Israel was When Jesus came the first time.
It was a Message that went with the Crucifixion and Resurrection and after the Resurrection was another Message called the 2nd. Coming in Acts 2. And Rev. 10 is the end of the Second coming. A brand new city has been measured for the Bride. The unseen Temple of Eze. = the Body of Christ.
1. All the church is in Rev. 4 and 5 gathered = to a New Day & Message into that Temple.
2. The 7 Church ages are complete and over – Church taken out of time Rev. 10:6 – the Ages had a time period- but not the Eternal Day.
3. All the church is in Rev. 4 and 5 gathered in the Heavenlies.
4. Rev. 6 – Seals opened by “thunder” Jesus is the 7th. Seal.
Christ “Come back” and fulfilled the 7 Seals and made them known to us. Jesus Christ IS THE 7TH. SEAL. and completes the 2nd. Coming which is the Rapture. Comes as a Thief in the Night.
5. He comes back with Great signs and the Message for our day.
Just as in Noah’s, had a Message and Moses had a Message , John the Baptist had a Great Message – The Last trumpet of the O.T to introduce Jesus Christ to all. By Prophets – Sons of Man. = Word in flesh bodies.
6. Rev. 7 -8- 9 – Trumpets, war, death, hell and the grave – 4 horse riders same as in the beginning with Cain. To steal , kill, and trying to destroy Gods Kingdom by deceit. Its the same death, hell, and grave that was in O.T. days.
7. The 7 Trumpets open all plagues, vials, Seals, and a Message goes with it opening up all the mysteries for this day.
Rev. 10 the 6 thunders are the Seals revealing 2nd. coming is all over. Christ is the last and 7th. trumpet Message with His Feet on the Ground.
8. Rev. 11 Prophet is Measuring a new Temple now. That New Temple is the Brand New Creation for God to dwell in. = HIS BRIDE. Gathering all in the barn =Ark at the end of Rev. 11. – they are eating the Book – just like in Eze. day is the unseen ark today. Its hidden from the World
9. The 6 days of MANMADE RELIGION is OVER. Its perfected by satan’s gospel of 666. which is Mankind – the Great Red Snake in Rev. 12. And is Death, Hell, and the Grave and will be destroyed also.
9. The 7th. Seal will destroy the whole thing and every Nation.
The final judgment has come to its end – by rejecting Jesus message in our day.
10. The drums of the Nations of War “could end tonight”. Jesus warned us be Watchful. It will come when you think not. They will be saying where is the SIGN of HIS Coming. He will say – He has already come and ye did not know it. All systems of men will wail and would they could die. No more signs is needed. They have all been fulfilled .
Rev. 10 is the Coming. Rev. 11:15 on is after the Coming and the Ark is open to whosever will come. Just like in Noah’s day. It was a secret as well.
11. Rev. 11:15- the kingdoms of this world are becme the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and shall reign forever, and forever.
Rev. 11:17 – O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast – because though has taken to thee thy great power and hast reigned.
“NOTICE” this verse does not say ” Is to COME” it is not in the Original writings, not in Amplified, or New American Standard, Catholic , and many, many other Bibles as well. The 7th. Angels Message wraps it all up. Then John is instructed to write on and reveal other things that come to pass in in and before the 2nd. coming. It tells of the history of the Church. Tells of Satan’s demise, of Babylon’s demise, Tells of the Reign of the false prophet and the beast. It speaks of our Authority that he left us in the Reign of the 2nd. Coming and Now as well. It tells of our Marriage we have already had since the Book of Acts started. And last but not least – how we should be living in the Kingdom of God NOW not tomorrow some other day or advent. But NOW – the last 2 Chapters of Revelation is what God the Christ has Given us. To OVERCOME all things. Every Overcomings virtue in the 7 church ages are mentioned in the book of Revelations. Stop and think about that. We at the end of it all. There is no promise to those that do not OVERCOME satan.
After Rev. 11 is just the pilgrimage of the Church though the Nations up even to America Rev. 13:11 Which has a great part in the setting up of what you all call the Mark of the Beast. All it means is you put your trust in Man and Nations or self. And that will bring the curses on world.
JEREMIAH 17:5- ¶ Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
JEREMIAH 17:6- For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
Those two scriptures are the “Mark of the Beast” you can bet your life on it.
bro. ty
We disagree – I’ll trust my resource and you’ll trust yours.
Jesus spoke in parables for a reason.
Blessings
Psalm 64
Dj,
You could actually understand him well enough to disagree?
DJ,
You are correct. Jesus spoke in parables for a REASON! To allow REASON. To invite us to REASON. To invite us to think outside the box.
Jesus was aware of, and likely had command of hyper-dimensions.
I “think” that by speaking in allegory and metaphor(parables), our Lord was inviting us to “reason together”. To think outside the box if you will.
In our creation, we were given the ability to see “patterns”. Consider the Fibonacci sequence in nature. Proof yet again of the divine. Such CANNOT evolve from chaos. For man to perceive the Fibonacci sequence is divine. It could be no other way
There are patterns in the Bible that now cannot be refuted. Ivan Panin’s discovery for instance. Or Eliyahu Rips discovery. Irrefutable patterns that CANNOT happen in a billion X a billion X a billion X a billion X a billion years. Basically a googleplex of time X a gooleplex of time, or eternity. Yet they exist.
I believe the Bible to be infallible. I believe that the Bible is the living word of God.
Dan
According to Joel:
The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
I live in Southern California and every time we have a major earthquake we can see plumes of dust kicked up from the mountains. Even a smaller quake can produce a large amount of dust clouds.
So we know that there will be quakes all around the world far bigger than anything we have ever seen, and I guarantee you that there will be a ton of dust in the atmosphere in a matter of minutes. This dust will darken the sun, moon and stars, all at the same time. \Note Joel says the stars will “withdraw their shining” which just means they will dim.
I believe the term the “Stars shall fall from the sky” would better read “the stars shall disappear from the sky.” So in all three cases the main event is the earthquake and the dimming of light is merely the consequence.
So looking for an eclipse or series of eclipses will be fruitless without the earthquake before each of them.
So if you believe in the eclipse theory you will have to wait to see if there are worldwide earthquakes before them. If not, I wouldn’t expect much of anything will happen.
And Marianne, it‘s good to see you’ve become a skeptic when it comes to these eclipses. It wasn’t long ago you were a fan. Maybe I’m rubbing off on you a little.
I just hope you read that article on Nibiru in the original tablets. Its hard to argue with the facts once you see them laid out in front of you. Eclipses will not be signs of the Second Coming, and especially not one caused by an imaginary planet.
Are you listening Adam?
J
If you would be a Catholic you would say something else
Sorry, but as an engineer with a science and astronomy background I could never believe in a myth like Nibiru. You can study the actual tablets at the website liked above, and you can see for yourself that the Sumerians never described a planet beyond Pluto. They never knew about Pluto, Neptune or Uranus either. They were just a bunch of dumb pagans with no relationship with God. You try to elevate their knowledge (and their relationship with God) to a level it does not deserve.
Even if the bible described such a planet I still would not believe it. Fortunately it does not. If you continue to believe in pagan crap you will be destroyed with Babylon before the Second Coming.
No catholic I know ever heard of Nibiru and no one I know actually believe in it. I find it hard to believe that real Christians could buy into such pagan baloney especially when it has all been proven to be a modern made-up interpretation and not even a real myth.
You guys are even dumber than the Sumerians. Or just incredibly gullible to believe in a hoax without ever checking it out.
Either way, you are going to be very disappointed.
and that’s a fact… look it up!
there is a painting in a egyptian church with ten planets and ufos flying around and the painting is 3600 years old. explain how they knew about 10 known planets in our galax and how they know about ufos
Give me a break, I saw a painting of four dogs playing poker but I don’t believe that one either.
Even if Nibiru was in the sky back then, observers had no way of seeing Uranus, Neptune or Pluto, so there should only be six planets showing (including Nibiru. Even adding the sun and moon only brings it to 8, so they probably just used ten because the artist had ten fingers, who knows.
Anyway, the painting proves nothing. It is just as useless as all the sun flare pictures you keep finding. I can’t believe you are resorting to such nonsense to try to prove your point.
Yeah, I guess I can…
Hello!!! JG, while you sit comfortably @ your computer and play on the keyboard, there are people literally going around to find vital information to educate people like us. God bless them & the Whistle Blowers. If you studied the Bible you would have understood that all that happened in the Beginning IS happening now and WILL happen in the very, very near future. But you are a Skeptic and that is sheer Ignorance. And no, no, no, my friend, ignorance is not bliss as some like to call it. In fact it is death of the physical and death of the soul. This is not to bash you but I’m only warning as God had told Ezekiel to warn the wicked people [ Ezekiel 3:18 Suppose I tell you that wicked people will surely die, but you don’t warn them or speak out so that they can change their wicked ways in order to save their lives. Then these wicked people will die because of their sin, but I will hold you responsible for their deaths.] Now the word ‘wicked’ does not always mean ‘evil’ but can mean ‘impious’, arrogant, disrespectful, impudent even doubtful against the Word of God. If the Bible talks about demons then by all means its TRUE. And yes, NIBIRU is real which is also called WORMWOOD in the bk of Rev. and so it was deliberately named by NASA.
Anyways, Genesis 6-speaks of the fallen angels & Jude 1.6 & 2-Pet-2.4 says they are bound with chains deep in the earth. all these Scriptures connect with Rev. Ch.9.11 when these same fallen angels will be released from the bottomless pit, plus there will be demons(aliens) descending by the multitudes from the heavens. To tickle your skepticism, visit these sites:
Pastor Mark on WND on the l.u.c.i.f.e.r. project at Arizona. It’s interesting as to why they chose Arizona to build this observatory, that’s bcoz the Area 51 is right there where aliens (demons) live and work on such demonic projects. http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/what-the-devil-scientists-tap-power-of-lucifer/
http://mysteryoftheiniquity.com/2013/01/13/l-u-c-i-f-e-r-project/
There are also youtube videos available on this L.project, you can check them out.
No hard feelings please, I’m just doing my job as ‘the watchman on the wall’. Be Blessed.
Bethany,
Just goes to show those crazy scientists have a sense of humor.
I’d be more likely to believe this…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttIBKxI2W6s
jim
I can see how smoke and dust would make the sun and moon and stars disappear or darken, but not how the smoke and dust would make the stars “fall”..
fall and disappear are 2 different concepts.
Marianne,
I wonder if in one scripture the stars fall, like Matthew 24.
And then in another place they are darkened, like in Rev. 8:12.
In fact all of chapter 8 sounds like a succession of star events like
verse 7 a meteor shower
verse 8 a great mountain, a comet
verse 10 another “star”, Wormwood
verse 12 the moon and stars are darkened by 1/3
that is possible but in Rev 6:12 they are all occurring in one verse which makes one assume that they happen at the same time.
Marianne,
Rev. 6 is a synopsis, the same synopsis Jesus gave in Matthew 24. Matthew 24:29 says Immediately after the tribulation of those days (moving from one swath of time to the next swath) the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 AND THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man …
Rev. 6 describes the same swath of time at the 6th seal. 12 a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth.
Rev. 7 the saints are in heaven by the time of the quake, the quake at the 7th seal.
Rev. 8 puts the star event into steps and in greater detail.
The first trumpet sounds. “stars” fall trees burn.
The second “burning mountain” cast into the sea.
The third another “star” falls into the sea.
The fourth angel sounds and the sun the moon and stars 1/3 are darkened. (little wonder after all that)
The fifth angel and yet another star (and all hell breaks loose, as the expression goes. There are lingering saints but they are sealed in their foreheads. Can’t be harmed.)
Like Jesus said, look up, your redemption draweth nigh.
Chris, I agree with you about the stars, burning mountain and there’s even brimstone & fire that fall from the heavens like it fell on Sodom & Gomorrah – [Ron Wyatt – Sodom and Gomorrah
[“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Rev.21.8.
The day is coming , burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up.” Micah 4:6]
I believe the Scripture mentioned in —- [Zacharia 14:12-This will be the plague the LORD will use to strike all the people from the nations that have gone to war against Jerusalem. Their flesh will rot while they are standing on their feet. Their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.] —- will be the incineration that will take place of not only the nations that have gone against Israel but also the evil and the morally wicked with the intense radiation and heat of the heavenly bodies as they strike earth.
The burning mountain that will fall from heaven relates to the gigantic stone that fell from heaven on the image of the Babylonian King’s dream in the bk of Daniel. Will this burning mountain fall on the modern day Babylon ‘the great whore’ of Rev.17 thereby even burning a great part of her daughter the harlot closest to her? And of course her other harlot daughters mentioned would also bear the brunt of YHWH’s wrath with a variation of other stones falling from heaven? Hmm! something to think about.
Bethany,
I agree about all that fire and brimstone. Present company excluded of course, because we all love the Lord and Israel, and have been sealed in our foreheads so that the wrath can’t touch us per Rev. 7:3, Rev. 9:4, Rev. 14:1.
I believe the harlot is the same religion that drives the beast, Islam, to do the horrible things it does. There are 3 women, 3 religions, in Zechariah 5. One of them is evil and has been placed on her base in Shinar, Babylonia. It is after the beast has been humiliated by losing to the Lamb that the beast turns on the woman. Rev. 17:12-16. I think this means that the false religion will go up in smoke like the rest of that ideology, and the swords will be turned into plowshares. But this isn’t a salvation issue. We’ll have to wait and see how it all turns out.
But, for sure, it never hurts to pray we’ll be worthy to escape all these things coming on the earth. Jesus says that all that call upon the name of the Lord at this time will be saved.
Have a blessed day.
Well, we both know that the actual stars can not fall so either stars means meteors or fall means “fail” to show their light (disappear). One way or the other you have to redefine some words. The earthquake(s) can cause dimming but not a meteor shower so a meteor shower would seem to be an unrelated event.
Also, you have the same event described as “not giving their light, and falling, so one description must either be wrong or described in a way (perhaps in a more eclectic manner) that sounds like it is different but really means the same thing.
If you take every word in the bible literally you will only go horribly astray. You must apply some common logic to scripture if you want to find the truth.
James,
See message below.
true story
A brother years ago came into our church and the Pastor preached on Faith. He came back the next week. And was very disappointed that the Pastor was preaching another message on Faith.
He told the Pastor he was interested in the Mark of the Beast and the Anit-christ. When was he going to preach a message on that.
Our Pastor ask him if he had about a Year and a half to come every week.
This is the way it is today in America. Trying to write something out that would take a year or more to really break down to understand it real clearly with no doubts is near impossible on a forum with so many people. On These forums all we have time for is to write out a little high light hoping that someone could catch something.
AS for parables – Jesus spoke in parables because HE knew the people did not have “ears to hear” and eyes that could not see” but our Master taught them anyway in parables. 3 out of 4 could not even hack a little parable and understand it. Let alone deep things of the Spirit. As I said in a post – When the Word of God is foreign to you. You need to start praying and studying more on your own. Look up the words your self and see what they mean.
I have found most people just want to talk about it that’s all. But really are not interested in getting a real Revelation from the Spirit of God. That is the only way we will ever understand the Mysteries. Faith=revelation by the Spirit only comes by “Hearing the Word of God”. Seeing the invisible things that the foolish virgins cannot see or understand at all. With 8 or 900 denominations in USA. Is it any wonder it’s so confusion. To the multitudes
Mystery – the Invisible being seen is the real revelation. You cannot get that by education. So the 1st. thing to know is – Do I really have the real God Given “Holy Spirit living in me” to guide me through this Babylon. That’s what its going to take and nothing less.
br. ty
Tom, you are right regarding understanding the Bible. The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of the books of the Bible. To spiritually understand the Bible you must ask or seek the Holy Spirit to reveal the Bible to you. No intellectual can fully understand the Bible unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to them. I read the Bible for over 20 years and basically had no depth of understanding of what I read, I knew right from wrong but no depth. Then I bought a new Bible, sat down and prayed that the Holy Spirit would open the Bible for me, it happen immediately, I understood the Word, it was like a veil was removed from my mind. The more I read the Bible the more the Lord reveals to me what is written there. I read the Bible start to finish in less than 4 months, it is not a race, I read in the morning and at night so the Word is in my mind during the day and as I go to sleep which makes attacks from Satan less. As for what is about to happen, the Bible says in a number of Books what will happen on the “Day of the Lord” including the Books of Joel, Amos, Matthew and Revelations. Great persecution is about to come upon US Christians as they are about to become the “new terrorists” and Obama wants to get rid of them as his Muslim Brotherhood has been doing in the Middle East. God will allow judgment on the US as it has walked away from God and abounds in false preaching like “name it, claim it” etc, etc. Imagine preaching this to the Middle East Christians currently being persecution by Obama’s henchmen. Something is not right with the US when you finance Islamic forces in killing Christians. If you think God is not watching then you are living in a bubble of wet dreams. Pray you will have a deep faith and a deep trust in the Lord in the coming tribulations against the US. For us in the Western world it is over, we are all about to enter a dark period of tribulation. God bless you all, Amen.
Amen Allan – I agree fully – br. tom
The first ten patriarchs listed in Genesis 5 –
ADAM Αδαμ m This is the Hebrew word for “man”
SETH (1) Σηθ m Means “placed” or “appointed” in Hebrew
ENOSH אֱנוֹשׁ m Means “human being” in Hebrew
CAINAN קֵינָן m Variant of KENAN קֵינָן m Possibly means “possession” in Hebrew
MAHALEEL Means “praise of God” in Hebrew.
JARED יָרֶד, יֶרֶד m From the Hebrew name יָרֶד (Yared) or יֶרֶד (Yered) meaning “descent”
ENOCH Ενωχ m From the Hebrew name חֲנוֹך (Chanokh) meaning “dedicated”
METHUSELAH מְתוּשֶׁלַח m Means “his death shall bring” in Hebrew
LAMECH לָמֶך m Possibly means “the despairing” in Hebrew
NOAH (1) נוֹחַ m Derived from the Hebrew name נוֹחַ (Noach) meaning “rest, comfort”
1. ADAM = MAN
2. SETH = APPOINTED
3. ENOSH = MORTAL
4. CAINAN = SORROW
5. MAHALEEL = BLESSED OF GOD
6. JARED = (DECENT) SHALL COME DOWN
7. ENOCH = (DEDICATED) TEACHING
8. METHUSELAH = HIS DEATH SHALL BRING
9. LAMECH = THE DESPAIRING
10. NOAH = COMFORT (OR REST)
Add them all together and it reads:
“MAN (HAS) APPOINTED MORTAL SORROW (BUT) THE BLESSED GOD SHALL COME DOWN TEACHING AND HIS DEATH SHALL BRING THE DESPAIRING COMFORT”
Bro.ty– this was sent to me from a brother in Austria. Thought you all might find it interesting.
I have heard this before, but always like to hear it again.
Tom,
Didn’t you say the internet is a waste of time?
Just sayin’.
My feeling is, if the Holy Spirit is showing me something, I want to share it, just like you shared your message. It’s all good. But if Iran decides to make fire come down from heaven one of these days, everything will be darkened including the internet. I say we make hay while the sun shines. There must be a scripture for that, a proverb maybe?
Yea Chris – JOHN 9:4- Jesus said = I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
5. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
When the world gets as bad as Noah’s day and the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. I think we real, real close right now. I think America’s demise will end it pretty soon. It will cause chaos and probably the end of this age.
This is the only reason I stay on forums is to try and help and or bring an answer to all that would have a question.
God bless you Chris —- bro.ty
Bethany,
I appreciate your comments regarding the wicked:
“Now the word ‘wicked’ does not always mean ‘evil’ but can mean ‘impious’, arrogant, disrespectful, impudent even doubtful against the Word of God.”
Let me be direct without being wicked – the writing of Nibiru is a work of the devil. Bold?
The information on “Nibi” comes from Babylonian tablets. These tablets were interpreted by a man. He wrote a book about what he interpreted that was proven in error (academically, as a work of interpretation of ancient writing). The man did not translate the tablets correctly.
Click to access nibirunew.pdf
A woman had a “revelation”regarding “Nibi”. She passed this along but she is not a Believer. She seems to be a New Age kind of person – likes to hang out in Sedona and Santa Fe, looking for sources of “energy”.
According to “Nibi” subject experts – “Nibi” was to arrive by 2003.
10 years later (July 2013) this “Planet X ” (10x the size of earth) was to appear.
In the past few days, Marianne’s latest video post has proof that “Nibi” has appeared!
This is a video without commentary – no date, no information the camera’s location (longitude/latitude) or direction (sunrise or sunset) or who in the world took the video. It is posted as sufficient visual evidence that “Nibi” is getting closer? What kind of quality scientific investigation is this? I think it’s BS (Bachelor of Science).
The only visual evidence of “Nibi” are photos or videos posted – a few times, irregularly. These are NOT daily visual sightings, week to week sightings or presentations providing a clear indication that “Nibi” is moving in a orbit.
If Marieanne would post all of the pictures and videos she holds in date order (noting the photo/video was taken), we would see the inconsistency of the size and location of “Nibi” between the first “sighting” and the date of the latest “sighting”.
I’ve seen posted with Heaven Awaits a picture of “Nibi” as a very large planet and as bright as our sun. Pictures of “Nibi” at various distances from the sun.
IF it is so big and sooo close (remember it was to be here 2003 or July 2013) anybody would be able to look up and see it as I see the moon last night or as I see the sun by day.
The reference to “Nibi” in the Babylonian tablets came from the same demonic library that helped build the pyramids in the same alignment as the belt of Orion, create the Mayan calendar (12/22/2012 – end of the age), and informed an Asian woman (Queen?) wearing a lovely red dress in recently posted video by Marianne.This witch (of a different culture) also knows about Nibi and we trust her sources don’t we?
Excuse me – I do not trust the source of the Babylonian tablets, pyramid builders, the Queen in the red dress. Why? The source is the father of lies.
Please.
BTW – that telescope is on Mt. Graham in Az, while Area 51 is about a 10+ hour drive northwest into the state of Nevada.
The days of darkness that coming – those days are for anyone who does not walk in the light as He is in the light. It will not take Planet X to accomplish this event. Those promoting Planet X (“Nibi”) who do not profess Jesus Christ as Lord are in darkness.
Believers should be praying for them – not seeking after or believing the propaganda of darkness.
Blessings
Psalm 64
DJ, other than the prophecies and history of the Torah, I don’t believe in the predictions of false prophets, visionaries, or dreamers though when we don’t follow YHWH’s Word, He can use pagans to warn us for e.g. Balam & the Donkey …. but I have a whole lot of study on Nibiru in the Hebraic perspective and what the ancient sages had to say about this disaster planet and yes, this is the same one mentioned int he Bk of Rev. But No, I will not post the link here for I have read enough of the egotistic responses from, NOT ALL, but some hard headed Christians. And by the way I don’t believe Sitchin is wrong … different individuals have different opinions to suit their satisfaction in criticizing the work of another.
Btw, the 3 days of coming darkness is literal, the plagues in Egypt were literal, if you don’t believe this, it means you don’t believe that YHWH parted the Suph Sea (Reed Sea), nor do you even believe that His Word is the Truth… Scroll down and read more below.
Bethany,
I hope you see this reply in your email.
Why do you question my faith in Yeshua – who is my Messiah? Is it because I disagree with you strongly on what is literal and what is a left to interpretation?
Is it because I said, “Nibi” is a fable from the library of the devil? I can prove that too with a link.
Thank you for giving me this opportunity to share what I learned from a study of the Hebrew text of events and a search for truth, which can be found in Scriptures and by archeology and/or astronomy.
There is the archeology.
YHWH did part the Red Sea and here is proof.
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/red-sea-crossing.htm
As for the 3 days of darkness in Egypt – yes there were 3 days that were very dark indeed to the body, soul and spirit of the Egyptians. This darkness that did occur – it was far far more significant that blocking out the sun (literal) for 3 days.
I’m going to repeat some of what I wrote above – but maybe someone will read this reply and not see the one above. It is worth repeating.
“Then the Lord told Moses, “Raise your hand into the air and darkness will cover Egypt. It will be so dark you can feel it!”
So Moses raised his hand into the air and a cloud of darkness covered Egypt. The darkness stayed in Egypt for three days. None of the people could see each other, and no one got up to go any place for three days. But there was light in all the places where the Israelites lived” (Exodus 10:21-23, ERV).
Here are some reasons why I think this is literal mental, spiritual darkness not literal physical darkness (no sun light by day or moon and star light by night).
One reason is that Exodus chapter 10 does not say that the sun did not shine or was hidden, does it?
They would have oil for lamps and wood for fire, right?
There is no account of God removing oil and wood from the Egyptians. There was not a plague upon oil, wood or fire.
It does not say fire light (candle, oil or burning wood) was removed from Egypt (ERV).
A cloud of darkness fell upon them when Moses raised his hand into the air. The light from a flame was not removed – that is an assumption.
The King James translation is as follows:”And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days” (Exodus 10:22, KJV).
Let’s examine the original language (“thick darkness”) with Strong’s Hebrew dictionary.
H653, Thick: (Feminine), duskiness, figuratively misfortune; concretely concealment: – dark, darkness, gloominess.
H2822, Darkness: the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: – dark (-ness), night, obscurity.
Let’s examine the original language (“light in their dwelling”) with Strong’s Hebrew dictionary.
H215, Light: illumination or (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.): – bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
H3427, Dwelling: a seat; figuratively a site; abstractly a session; by extension an abode (the place or the time); by implication population: – assembly, dwell in, dwelling (-place), wherein (that) dwelt (in), inhabited place, seat, sitting, situation, sojourning.
If anyone still think these 3 days were literal physical darkness (no sun light or flame of light), please keep “an open mind” and consider spiritual and/or mental darkness.
Job 5:8-16 gives an account of such darkness upon the so called wise but are truly wicked.
“He frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that their hands achieve no success. He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end. They meet with darkness in the daytime and grope at noonday as in the night. But he saves the needy from the sword of their mouth and from the hand of the mighty. So the poor have hope, and injustice shuts her mouth” (ESV).
Please read Job 15:20-35 for additional insight on such spiritual darkness, which can explain the 9th Egyptian plague.
“The wicked man writhes in pain all his days, through all the years that are laid up for the ruthless. Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer [“Angel of Death”]will come upon him.
He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’
He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle. Because he has stretched out his hand against God and defies the Almighty, running stubbornly against him with a thickly bossed shield…”(ESV).
Again, Scripture provides us addition information on the oppressive darkness.
Please read Job 3:1-10 for a description of dark depression. Those were dark days for Job as Satan was given permission by God to test Job. Lets read how Job felt under the conditions. He lamented the day he was born:
“Let the day perish on which I was born, and the night that said, ‘A man is conceived.’
Let that day be darkness! May God above not seek it, nor light shine upon it. Let gloom and deep darkness claim it. Let clouds dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it. That night—let thick darkness seize it!
Let it not rejoice among the days of the year; let it not come into the number of the months. Behold, let that night be barren; let no joyful cry enter it. Let those curse it who curse the day, who are ready to rouse up Leviathan” (Job 3:1-10).
The darkness oppressing the land of Egypt was something only the Egyptians could feel. So then, what is the evidence of these specific people have a feeling of darkness?
This mental, spiritual darkness that they literally felt was – deep depression, despair, gloom, lethargy, despondency, mind-binding confusion, forgetfulness, and other such emotional darkness. This “cloud of darkness” was pervasive throughout the entire population of Egyptians.
Genesis Exodus 10:23 in the New King James tells us, “nor did anyone rise from his place for three days.”
Oh! The Egyptians in the mists of darkness did not get up (arise) and go anywhere. Only because they could not see their first or next step, right?
Also, their emotional state was so dark that they did not “see one another”.
The Egyptians were, by Hebrew figurative definition of the word “see” – “not able to consider, discern, take heed, regard or have respect for one another” for 3 days. The Egyptians felt the oppression of darkness and it was so deep that they were self absorbed in their personal mental anguish.
In addition, this mental state was so dense that it keep them from even getting up in the morning as we read – “nor did anyone rise from his place for three days.”
This seems to be a literal state of mental, emotional, spiritual bondage – a deep depressing “cloud of darkness”, which they could not escape for 72 long hours.
As the Egyptians were struggling with this mental, spiritual darkness the Israelites had “light in their dwellings”.
The children of God had light in their “dwellings” – peace, joy, loving-kindness, and other attributes of the light – the Spirit of God. They are the Israelites (pun intended).
How do we know the light is mental/spiritual?
“He protects his holy people. He keeps them from stumbling. But evil people will be destroyed. They will fall in the darkness. Their power won’t help them win” (1st Samuel 2:9, ERV).
For You are my lamp, O Lord, and my God lightens my darkness. For by You I can run against a troop, and by my God I can leap over a wall. This God—his way is perfect; the word of the Lord proves true; He is a shield for all those who take refuge in Him” (2 Samuel 22:29-31).
“Commit your way to the Lord; trust in Him, and He will act. He will bring forth your righteousness as the light, and your justice as the noonday” (Psalm 34:5-6).
“You, LORD, keep my lamp burning; my God turns my darkness into light” (Psalm 18:28).
“Hate evil, you who love the LORD, Who preserves the souls of His godly ones; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked. Light is sown like seed for the righteous and gladness for the upright in heart. Be glad in the LORD, you righteous ones, and give thanks to His holy name” (Psalm 97:10-12).
The Hebrew word for light (H216) in Exodus chapter 10, which was in the Hebrew’s dwelling is the same “light” (H216) as we read in all the above verses. It is spiritual light.
Our Lord tells a great deal about the power of the light, keeping us close to Him, trusting Him and being children of God.
Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But, if one walks in the night he stumbles, because the light is not in him” (John 11:9-10)
As for verse my faith in the Word, as in the way, the truth and the life – this verse summarizes it best:
“Lord Jehovah, my light and my salvation, of whom shall I be afraid? Lord Jehovah is the strength of my life; by whom am I shaken?” (Pslam 27:1).
Blessings to you.
Wow, I sorta stumbled onto this site(hmmm) and reading what you just said. I had always taken this to be literal, but your comments have made me think otherwise. Thank you for sharing! remember folks, that not everyone is going to see things the same way and some do more studying than others. we can learn from them and it keeps us getting into the word to see if these things be or not. That is a good thing.
“Nibi” Full agreement with you on that DJ — ty
DJ,
Well we don’t agree on much, but I applaud your post above. Saves me the time to write exactly the same thing.
Bethany,
What else can I say? People who believe everything they see on YouTube without checking for the truth are doing God a disservice. The truth is in the bible, not YouTube videos or ancient pagan tablets and myths.
The Vatican telescope is in Arizona for the same reason all the other observatories were built there – clear skies and stable air. The Vatican astronomers are using their instruments to try to prove scientifically that God created the universe. They are not tracking Nibiru or aliens or looking for signs of the Second Coming.
And you say this:
“And yes, NIBIRU is real which is also called WORMWOOD in the bk of Rev. and so it was deliberately named by NASA.“
Say what? I go to the NASA website a lot and not only did they NOT name Nibiru, they clearly say that Nibiru is a hoax and there is no evidence whatsoever that any such object exists.
I tell you what. Go to the NASA website and pull up the information on how they named Nibiru (or even any info that it even exists) and I will apologize profusely. If not, then that means you got your information from other sources, who lied and you were gullible enough to believe it.
If you believe in lies (that were propagated by Satan) then you are part of Babylon and we all know what happens to Babylon before the Second Coming.
There are enough Roman pagan practices such as Sunday worship polluting today’s churches without adding even more to the mix. Stick with the bible and forget false YouTube videos when it comes to understanding the word of God. The world abounds with false prophets and we need to protect our faith closely at this time.
You call me a skeptic but I don’t think you understand what the word implies. I don’t believe all the Nibiru hype because I know for a fact they are bogus. 57 years of studying astronomy has told me so. Being a skeptic simply means reserving opinion until you are able to verify something. If Nibiru ever does appear I will study the data and reevaluate my stance at that time. I do this all the time. There have been many things I didn’t believe in at first, then after some study, decided to change my mind about. I’ve read the Book of Mormon and the Koran but I didn’t believe them. Would you? I they put the Koran on YouTube would you become Muslim? You seem to believe everything you see on it, and you already believe in Babylonian myths now, so why not the Koran?
If that idea sounds repulsive to you, then you know how I feel about Nibiru.
Satan does not want you to verify his lies, just simply believe them.
Will you follow Satan or will you service the Lord and reject false doctrines?
I leave that to you.
Bless
James,
Yes – for once we agree.
Seems to me the Scriptures hold the truth. We are to ask the Lord and the Spirit leads us to all truth.
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened” (Matthew 7:7-8).
“Take delight in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart” (Psalm 37:4).
“If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matthew 21:22).
Reading Babylonian tablets, Egyptian signs, considering visions from New Age religion zealots, obscure photo/video posts, and listening to witches in beautify red dresses do not align with the above verses. It reminds me of Saul seeking advise from an ungodly, demonic scorce (witch of Endor) in 1st Samuel chapter 28.
Endor – also known as Tana among the Ewok species was the cyan gas giant planet orbited by the forest moon of Endor. The name “Endor” was also sometimes used for the forest moon. The planet itself was less well known than the moon. A large body, probably the planet Endor, can be seen in the sky from the forest moon during some night scenes in the two Ewok telefilms…The planet can also be seen in space in Star Wars: X-wing Alliance” (starwars.wikia.com)
Do me a favor – don’t agree with me unless you’re absolutely sure. Because when you are right – well, you can take that to the Central Bank of New York City (like that is a secure deposit).
I’ll go now, forgetting that we had this exchange and ignore you once again (Groucho Marx).
Blessings
Psalm 40
Great post. Nice sarcasm.
Just one thing… you should have ended as I will now…
Hello, I must be going!
this is not a sarcasm contest. behave yourself
Marianne and James,
Here is classic Biblical sarcasm and a mocking account (Nibiru / Endor).
“Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the Law and also the Prophets wrote– Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”
Nathaniel said to him, “Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?”
Philip said to him, “Come and see.”
Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!”…(John 1:45-47).
Then there is Ezekiel telling the prophets of Baal that their god was not listening because maybe Baal went on a journey (walk to the “toilet”).
“Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, ‘Choose one bull and prepare it first, for you are the majority; invoke your god by name, but apply no fire.’
They took the bull that was given them; they prepared it, and invoked Baal by name from morning until noon, shouting, ‘O Baal, answer us!’
But there was no sound, and none who responded; so they performed a hopping dance about the altar that had been set up.
When noon came, Elijah mocked them, saying, ‘Shout louder! After all, he is a god. But he may be in conversation, he may be detained, or he may be on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and will wake up.’
So they shouted louder, and gashed themselves with knives and spears, according to their practice, until the blood streamed over them. When noon passed, they kept raving until the hour of presenting the meal offering. Still there was no sound, and none who responded or heeded” (1 Kings 18:25-29).
It works (as we see) and can be applied because it is not sinful. Seems to be accepted by Jesus. Almighty God still brought down the fire.
“Nibi” is not a planet just as Endor is not a planet.
Blessings
DJ,
The Elijah account would be a good play for a youth group to do. They love humor.
I read sarcasm in the story of when Jesus was in the home with the Pharisees, and a group of men lowered a sick man down through the roof to get healed. Jesus says to the man, Your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees get all bent out of shape and say, You can’t do that! meaning he wasn’t qualified — like they were. Jesus says, well then, what shall I say? take up your mat and walk? And the man got up and walked.
Please explain each metaphor written in Joel.
The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. (Joel 2:10, ESV)
The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. (Joel 2:31, ESV)
I do not think they are metaphors……
Jay,
There are several mediators within Joel chapter 2 as there are within Revelation. Jesus spoke in parables too – for a reason.
I’ve come to the conclusion that this “darkness” is not literal – (the sun does not shine by day or moonlight by night).
“A day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
like the morning clouds spread over the mountains” (Joel 2:2, NKJV).
The word darkness (Strong’s Hebrew word translation) means either: “dark; hence (literally) darkness;” or, “figuratively – misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: – dark (-ness), night, obscurity.”
The word darken (Strong’s Hebrew word translation) means: “A primitive root; to be ashy, that is, dark colored; by implication to mourn (in sackcloth or sordid garments): – be black (-ish), be (make) dark (-en), X heavily, (cause to) mourn.”
So there is a choice to be made – literal or spiritual/mental or both literal and spiritual/mental.
If verse 2 and verse 10 are literal, then the whole passage should be understood as literal. Otherwise, it’s pick and choose – turn on the literal when it fits your paradigm and turn it off when it does not fit your paradigm.
Do they [Army of the Lord – verse 11] literally fall on swords and it does not wound them? (Joel 2:8). What is this sword or weapon that does not wound/harm them?
“‘No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is from Me,’ Says the Lord” (Isaiah 54:17, NKJV).
We read that Jesus stands at the door (heart/soul /will) and knocks. If anyone opens the door (heart) to Him – He will come in and abide with them. It is not the door to your home but the door of your heart/soul/will. You choose by your will (heart/soul), deciding to open your self (soul/spirit) up to Him and accepting the Holy Spirit.
“‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.…” (Revelation 3:19-21).
Jesus said that one must be “born again” to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
It was a religious man (Sanhedrin, filled to overflowing with a “spirit of religon”) named Nicodemus who did not understand what Jesus was saying to him:
“Nicodemus said to Him, ‘How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?'” (John 3:4).
Nicodemus was a very intelligent man. He read the Scriptures (Old Testament).
Keep looking into the Scriptures, asking the Lord to teach you by the Holy Spirit (leads us to all truth) and over time (waiting upon the Lord) – He will.
I’ll post another reply your question later today because there is a lot of intel and information within this chapter. I think verses 2-10 describe the Army of The Lord (verse 11).
Of course these are just my personal interpretations (subject to revision and correction, thank you Lord). But, I really make an effort to seek out Scriptures (multiple passages) to understand Scripture. Like the Word says, “Seek and you will find”.
Blessings
Psalm 25:4-5
“Show me Your ways, O Lord; Teach me Your paths. Lead me in Your truth and teach me, for You are the God of my salvation; on You I wait all the day.”
I still see this as literal. an army sent by God to execute judgement and wrath is a spiritual army, so physical swords would not harm them.
instead of angels, it sounds like he is unleashing demons to terrorize people, as in Revelation 9:
Jay,
I think Joel 2:2-11, gives a picture of the Lord’s army and the Lord gives voice to His “mighty men” (think of David’s mighty men), because His camp (assembly of spiritual warriors) is very great (Joel 2:11).
To understand David’s Mighty Men, please read Psalm 18. This is how I can appreciate the voice He gives to His Army (Joel 2:2-11) in the last days.
“I will love You, O Lord, my strength. The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. I will call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised…So shall I be saved from my enemies…
He heard my voice from His temple, and my cry came before Him, even to His ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken, because He was angry…(Joel 2:10, “The earth quakes before them.”)
From those who hated me, for they were too strong for me. They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support..The Lord rewarded me according to my righteousness; According to the cleanness of my hands He has recompensed me…
For You will save the humble people, but will bring down haughty looks. For You will light my lamp; the Lord my God will enlighten my darkness (mental/spiritual).
For by You I can run against a troop, by my God I can leap over a wall (an obstruction liken to a mountain in Joel’s account. As a mountain that can be thrown into the sea – by faith, Matthew 21:21 – literally?)
As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him. For who is God, except the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?
It is God who arms me with strength, and makes my way perfect (Psalm 23:3,”paths of righteousness for His name sake”).
He makes my feet like the feet of deer, and sets me on my high places. He teaches my hands to make war, so that my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
You have also given me the shield of Your salvation (“Armor of God”, Ephesians 6). Your right hand has held me up,Your gentleness has made me great. You enlarged my path under me, so my feet did not slip.
I have pursued my enemies and overtaken them; Neither did I turn back again till they were destroyed. I have wounded them, so that they could not rise; They have fallen under my feet (Luke 10:19, “snakes and scorpions”).
For You have armed me with strength for the battle; You have subdued under me those who rose up against me.You have also given me the necks of my enemies, so that I destroyed those who hated me. They cried out, but there was none to save; Even to the Lord, but He did not answer them. Then I beat them as fine as the dust before the wind; I cast them out like dirt in the streets…
The Lord lives! Blessed be my Rock!
Let the God of my salvation be exalted…You also lift me up above those who rise against me; You have delivered me from the violent man. Therefore I will give thanks to You, O Lord, among the Gentiles, and sing praises to Your name.
Great deliverance He gives to His king, and shows mercy to His anointed, to David and his descendants forevermore” (NKJV).
There are a few more Scriptures that give insight to Joel 2 and The Lord’s Army.
I believe that Malachi 4 applies to the last days – telling us who will endure and who will not endure it (Joel 2:11).
“For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze (Joel 2:3), says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings (Psalm 18 and others). You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts” (Malachi 4:1-3, ESV).
As for the darkness – I’ll write a reply tomorrow.
Blessings
Psalm 23
Jay,
An additional comment to my above reply.
There will be “Blood Moons” but the moon will not turn to blood (literal). Blood moons is Hebrew language like Americans call a particular moon “Blue”, “Wolf” or “Harvest”.
A solar eclipse does create a “sack cloth” effect and the sun does not shine bright for several minutes.
Those are signs in the heavens.
But, there is a spiritual/mental darkness that lasts much much longer with greater impact upon the body, mind and spirit.
More later.
Marianne,
Okay – I understand that connection, but what about verse 11:
“The Lord calls loudly to his army. His camp is very large.The army obeys his commands.His army is very powerful. The Lord’s special day is a great and terrible day. No one can stop it” (Easy-to-Read).
“The Lord gives voice before His army, for His camp is very great; for strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; Who can endure it?” (NKJV).
Now in context –
(10) The earth quakes before them (who?) the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
Answer:
(11) The Lord utters His voice before His army, for His camp is exceedingly great; he who executes His word is powerful. For the day of the Lord is great and very awesome; who can endure it?” (English Standard Version).
I did a study on this over a year ago and can’t find my notes!
So, I need some time to locate those notes (Scriptures) or rebuild the study. But, my sinuses are a mess, slowing me down and only able to concentrate for short period of time – I’m out of time. Zzzzz.
Quickly – maybe Rev 9 is strategic assignment upon the wicked, unrepentant souls. God does use such measures (Plagues/Angel of Death upon Egypt or a physical military application as in Babylonians upon Jerusalem).
But, there is evidence of the Army of The Lord during a mighty work – upon walls, upon chariots of fire (not so much da movie), through windows, marching in order, staying on their path and not pushing each other.
Who can stand against the Army of the Lord?
Not the wicked (seeking repentance on their knees, facing a spiritual filled servant of the Lord), no demon obviously and no body filled with demons either (“faces drained with color” aka zombies).
“Lift up a standard on the bare hill, raise your voice to them, waive the hand that they may enter the doors of the nobles. I have commanded My consecrated ones, I have even called My mighty warriors, My proudly exulting ones, to execute My anger.…(Isaiah 13:2-3).
“‘Their stronghold will fall because of terror; at the sight of the battle standard their commanders will panic’, declares the LORD, whose fire is in Zion, whose furnace is in Jerusalem” (Isaiah 31:9).
“You have given a banner to those who fear You, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah” (Psalm 60:4, NAS).
I’m done….my eyes and head hurts (“poor baby”).
Later, I look for my notes and get back to you and Jay.
Blessings to you.
It seems like God would not need all that heavenly power to come against humans….he would use that to fight in the heavenlies..against demonic forces.
since it is the day of the Lord, which is associated with wrath, not redemption, I see the army as sent by God, because he lifts his hand of protection and releases them…on the wicked
god usually uses the enemy to punish the sinner, or famine, or pestilance…..
so that is what i see here.
otherwise, I do not know why the angels would make such a show just to scare humans.
but you could be right
Marianne,
I read Revelation 12 and think there is Devine assistance given to the Army of The Lord (some Believers). Angels are a blessing, thank you Father God (Psalm 91).
“Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death” (Revelation 12:10-11, ESV).
Here is the easy to read translation with my [thoughts].
“Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say, ‘The victory and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Messiah have now come.’
These things have come [to The Army of the Lord] because the accuser of our brothers and sisters [the Body of Christ] has been thrown out. He is the one who accused them day and night before our God. They defeated [overcame] him by the blood sacrifice of the Lamb and by the message of God that they told people. They did not love their lives too much. They were not afraid of death” (Revelation 12:10-11, ERV).
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Since Satan has been cast down – those who comprehend the power (2nd Timothy 1:7), what the Kingdom is (Romans 14:17) and the authority of His name (Keys to bind/loose, and snakes/scorpions under our feet) – the Lord’s Army is capable and able to defeat him because they are not afraid of death. We are fighting against powers of the air. This is like the 2 witnesses – who do a mighty work, realizing that they will be slain, rising in victory, thank you Lord.
The above is just sharing a personal interpretation and not intended to persuade or even debate anyone.
Blessings.
DJ,
Thx, that lends another view on the issue.
The whole warfare of Man is the Human Spirit against the Heavenly Spirit. So you all kind of right in you thoughts. God uses Mankind and His Bride to combat Satans death, hell , and the grave. God uses man to do his will. God knew Judas was a fleshy man which had a Devil -spirit in him.
God used Peter and he opened the gates of Hell by his revelation of who Jesus Was. The Son of God – Later at Pentecost Peter became a “Son of God. The war was on. Peter and disciples were tormented by the religions that they came out of. Is that right. Threatened , beaten, Killed, etc. etc. And by the World also. Men of SIN – sons of perdition=destruction
Each Spirit makes war with the other. Christ wins the war. This is what the Seals are all about. Heavenly Spirit in man conflicting with Human devilish spirit of satan. Satan is an Adversary – and accuser of the brethren.
Rev. 6:1-2 The Devil mankind wants to Conquer and lift himself up in flesh bodies over Gods will. His end is mentioned over and over in the book of Revelation. Satan will be burnt with fire to ashes. Mal. 4 not even a root left.
Bottom line: – They both live in Flesh Bodies while on earth. And they both started in a Fallen condition but the Chosen were Gods Chosen generations. His Holy Nation. His Peculiar people. Against the Worldly people. This is the 7 fold War on earth started by Cain not wanting to do Gods will let along know what the right sacrifice was. Its about Religions in Nations.
A spirit cannot get a gun and load it and fire it. It takes Man to do that. It takes a Body of flesh with a Spirit in it to drive that flesh man into Hatred and want to kill, steal, and destroy. But the Holy Spirit placed in Man is the Power to Overcome all devilish spirits that are in mankind. And He blesses his Chosen few with Eternal life, and life more abundant and running over with blessings. Even if you kill a Christian – He is still blessed for his real life was always to be Eternal life. Not temporal.
I agree with you all. I know that is a shock right. But we still have to rightly divide it.
bro. ty
Who are gods – So simple
PSALM 82:1-8 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the CONGREGATION of the MIGHTY ; he judgeth among the GODS .
2. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the PERSONS of the WICKED? Selah.
3. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5. They know not, NEITHER WILL THEY UNDERSTANDD; they WALK ON IN DARKNESS: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6. ¶ I have said, YE ARE GODS; and ALL OF YOU “CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH.
7. But ye shall DIE LIKE MEN, and fall like one of the princes.
8. Arise, O God, JUDGE the earth: for thou shalt inherit all NATIONS.
““CONGREGATION ”” 5707 witness (of people)
“MIGHTY ” – 410 from ‘elohiym’ = plurality – Every time you read “GOD” in the O.T it says elohiym. This is what it means below –
1. god, god-like one, mighty one
2. mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes
3. angels
4. god, false god, (demons, imaginations)= wicked people=sons of perdition
5. God, the one true God, Jehovah = Son’s of God
6. mighty things in nature – Nature is Character, Spirit, Soul
7. strength, power
Evil or Wicked sons of perdition are DEVILS, DEMONS =Judged to die like animals – beast – let themselves become beastly and wicked.
Sons of God – Are the True Gods of Jesus Christ – Sons of Eternal life.
Jesus said – come unto me “Tree of Life” why will you perish.
Man said – come unto me “ tree of Knowledge” you will be as god.
Yea the god of darkness with no understanding and will perish in flames.
The human spirit must be “replaced” by the “Holy Spirit”
Every seed brings forth of its own Nation. Evil nations or Holy Nation’s
The Bride of Christ is the Holy Nation, out of ALL Nations
The Bride of satan – are the unholy nations – that fight against us.
So simple a baby could understand it. Nations are People – Mankind –
Everytime the O.T reads ” LORD” its speaking of the 1 GOD of all created beings.
Everytime the O.T says the word “GOD” its speaking of plural gods and GODS. Evil and Good only 2 trees in the garden – we are one or the other. False Knowledge processes you into the “Mark of the Beast” sons
True Knowledge processes you into the “Mark of God – sons
Bro ty – Jesus gave His life for us to know the “truth” but you have to read and study and seek it and you will find. oh! and rid yourself of all denomi-Nations of religion and world
true
there is only one God….the rest are evil powers who would like to take his place in our lives.
Tom,
You said, Everytime the O.T says the word “GOD” its speaking of plural gods and GODS
Genesis 1:1 says, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth…and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Tom and Chris,
The name Elohim (Genesis chapter 1) references God as we read in 1st John: “God, the Word and Holy Spirit” (1st John 5:7). The Hebrew name for God applied in Genesis 1 is “Elohim”.
“Let us” matches up with “and God (Elohim) said”. The Three were actively involved in creation.
Here is the proof text for the Hebrew word Elohim (God):
“For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one” (1st John 5:7, NKJV).
Elohim is not applied every time we read “God” is the Old Testament.
Jesus address God (frequently if not always) as “Adonai” (Master), which is not plural.
I suggest downloading E-Sword. This free software gives you access to reading every word in the Old Testament with the Hebrew word meaning. Every word in the New Testament is provided with the Greek word meaning.
http://www.e-sword.net/links.html
Blessings
((1)) To: James Giordano & DJ – This is long and the 2nd part to follow so get a cool beverage and buckle up.
My main point was that if we are believers in YHWH (The True God) then we MUST believe in His every Word. Your comment is not only baseless but spiteful and bitter after all you guys are skceptics.
JG, You can boast of your credentials about astronomy, engineering, yara, yara, yara, but where is that going to lead you if you don’t take YHWH’s Words literally. [What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but suffers the loss of his own soul MARK 8:38/MATT.16:26]. You may think you know all about the Bible but really you know nothing. Your interpretation of scripture is your very own. Scripture Understanding is a gift that comes only from the Holy Spirit of YHWH but you don’t follow in His Way – rather, the Babylonian way. Therefore, your place will not be with Him. “Your name will not be written in His Book of Life”. It’s ironic that you accuse me of following in pagan ways just for posting the video links and stressing on the LITERAL stars falling from Heaven this shows you don’t believe what happened in Sodom & Gomorrah. Why would you? You are Christian!! The Babylonians practiced magic and all forms of witchcraft and they still do. I know Christians who attend church and then they read astrology or use Tarot cards and visit ring-maidens. Of course I can clearly see that you are coming from the same group. I thank YHWH I do not live in the Great Whore of Babylon neither am I a follower of her religion (Christianity) or any religion for all these are steeped in paganism. If you had any faith in the True Savior, you would have learned of His Real Name and the Blessed meaning of His name and followed His Feasts but you follow Xmas and other pagan feasts. You would have earned the 5 Gifts of the Holy Spirit (PROVERBS 2) but instead you go exploring other religions such as Islam etc.. Most of your type who have tried to “simply know” what Islam is about, have gotten so imbedded in it and brainwashed that they have turned into Jihadist against their own country and their fellow citizens.
Next, All youtube videos and websites are not false as you claim. Your little knowledge is very bad. Many are very educational with much time and research put into them. I repeat, it’s easy for folks like you to sit @ your computers and criticize those who teach and warn through their precious time and hard work bcoz you guys have really nothing good to share. Your criticism and skepticism is the height of your ignorance and I repeat ignorant folks die both, a physical and spiritual death. Remember Christianity is the daughter of the Whore of Babylon Rev.17 who is all out to drag her followers into the pit with her. Here’s some info and definition of Christianity:
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[As early as 200 BCE, there were Pagan worshippers of SERAPIS that called themselves “CHRISTIANS”. The word “CRESTOS” (or KRISTOS, CHREISTOS) isn’t English, it’s Greek. If we follow the redemption plan of our Creator, keeping the Torah of YHWH, we are counted among the citizenship of Israel; not a “Gentile”, foreign nation Eph.11-22. – The American Heritage Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary tells us the etymology for the word CRETIN: cre-tin (kre-tin, kret’n) n. 1.One afflicted with Cretinism. 2. A fool; an idiot. (French, cretin, from Swiss French, crestin, CHRISTIAN, – hence human being (an idiot being nonetheless human).
Cretinism is dwarfism and or retardation. Cretin is simply the word that is derived from the word CHRISTIAN, crestin. The word christianos was used twice in the Greek text as a device of scorn, since in the ancient world it conveyed a much different sense than it does today. The use of the word christianos did not “name” the sect, but it was a derisive, scornful label that meant they were like gullible, dumb beasts, or “cretins”.
The word “christianos” (Latin, Christianus) was a term of scorn, traced back through a related word which history never “revised”: cre•tin (krēt’n) n. A person afflicted with cretinism. Slang: An idiot.]
Do your research – Don’t just bash others. … Read more below.
((2)) To: To: James Giordano & DJ
Agnostics and atheists today are ruled by an egotistical spirit and they will not believe in the Almighty Supernatural Being who created the universe and put varying sized objects in it for special signs and wonders for human beings. Besides He Himself has explained in the TORAH the different phenomena which are LITERAL i.e. the falling of celestial objects to earth, the 3 days of darkness, MATT.24:29-30, the earth reeling to and fro ISIAH.24:20 and much more, for the WORD of YHWH is LITERAL. Many want to take the Bible out of all facets of modern life because they believe it is just “another book composed of tall tales.” Most are PSEUDO Bible readers and believe they already have all the answers through science and human intellect.
After Yahshua’s death and resurrection the Jewish converts died off and were replaced by Gentiles. The ekklesia (known as the early “church”) for the most part became “Gentile Christianity” and lost its Israelite or Jewish roots. Paganism was adopted wholesale. The church soon was composed of unconverted pagans who continued in their heathen customs. Pagan doctrines began to supplant the Savior’s New Covenant teachings and perverted His message. Sunday replaced the Sabbath(Shabbat). Pagan days such as Christmas, Hallowe’en, Lent, and Easter soon displaced the holy days of LEVITICUS 23. False teachings like going to heaven and the immortal soul idea were baptized and woven into the fabric of “Christian” worship. Pagan worship continued on pagan days, but was now syncretized with a new meaning supposedly adapted to the Bible. The “gentile Christian church” now claimed the promises made to Israel. Christianity no longer looked to the Jews to learn when Passover was to occur, but turned to the worship of Ashtoreth (The biosexual god/goddess) at the time of the vernal equinox, calling it “Easter.” Pagan worship revolved around the movement of celestial bodies, and the solstices and equinoxes were the standards for heathen holidays. Xmas came at the time of the winter solstice. The term Easter was derived from the pagan deity Eostre which was the name of the goddess of spring. “In her honor sacrifices were offered at the time of the vernal equinox. The celebration in honor of Eostre (Ashtoreth) was adopted by the church and changed to honor the resurrection of the Savior, an observance nowhere commanded in the TORAH. “Christians are never told to remember His resurrection, but to remember His death”. Sadly this is Christianity, the daughter of the whore Rev.17. Christians maybe waiting to be raptured but not a single time is the word Christianity mentioned in the Torah besides Yahshua clearly states, “Salvation is of the Hebrews,” (John.4:22), referring to Himself as the ultimate Savior Who would spring from Judah to save His own people. Therefore, Yahshua is not going to take the Christians UP and let His own Hebrews remain here and suffer the tribulation. So get that out of your heads and get into studying and following the TORAH in order to be grafted into future ISRAEL. Lastly if the TORAH is not followed, then the TETRADS and all other SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS will mean NOTHING to the CHRISTIANS. You can respond if you want to but I’m won’t be on this blog anymore.
good points
DJ you said – Here is the proof text for the Hebrew word Elohim (God):
“For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one” (1st John 5:7, NKJV).
Elohim is not applied every time we read “God” is the Old Testament.
DJ – You missed one of the most important things I was saying. I was trying to prove to you all that WE ARE GODS as well. As Ps. 82 plainly tells us.
It just passes over you all somehow or another.
I gave you the Hebrew meaning of what the Word God means. If you Look up Mal. 2:15 That he might seek a “godly” seed. “Godly” here means the same thing – Trying to prove to you all. Who the Devil really is and you all missed it and it went right over your heads. except for Marianne who caught some of it-
I said plainly – When the Bible says “LORD” that is the ONE GOD – Self sufficient ONE – As in 1 Jh. 5:7 – Paul also says there is Only ONE LORD
Every time the O.T reads ” LORD” its speaking of the 1 GOD who created all beings.
As Ps. 82:6 plainly says ¶ I have said, YE ARE GODS; and ALL OF YOU “CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH. = the whole of mankind
7. But ye shall DIE LIKE MEN, and fall like one of the princes. = Die like men – why cause you eat of the wrong tree ‘ The tree of knowledge” not instead of the “Tree of Life Eternal.
Everytime the O.T says the word “GOD” its speaking of plural gods and GODS. Evil and Good only 2 trees in the garden – we are one or the other. Evil or Righteous gods.
False Knowledge processes you into the “Mark of the Beast” sons
True Knowledge processes you into the “Mark of God – sons
The words below is the Hebrew meaning of the word gods. They are people.
““CONGREGATION ”” 5707 witness (of people) = mankind – ADAM
“MIGHTY ” – 410 from ‘elohiym’ = plurality – Every time you read “GOD” in the O.T it says elohiym. This is what it means below –
1. god, god-like one, mighty one
2. mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes — MEN,MEN, MEN, MEN
3. angels
4. god, FALSE gODS , (demons, imaginations)= are fallen men. The SONS OF PERDITION – MEN, MEN, MEN – Who let demons overtake their flesh bodies and souls and become the DEVIL , DEVIL In person ate. Its a progression of letting demons of your HUMAN SPIRIT take control of you. If we Christians could just understand that. You are really fighting against yourself. And don’t even know it.
Jesus had a real fight with the Devil that was trying to tell HIM that HE did not have to die or suffer the cross. He was fighting that DEVIL that wanted to OVERTAKE HIM . In the Wilderness and Gethsename. BUT He OVERCOME IT ALL. He did not sin like ADAM did.
Jesus main enemy was His Fleshy humanity. OHHH if you all could just catch it. You would not think it is hopeless to live Holy and Clean and filled with the Holy Spirit.
5. God, the one true God, Jehovah =Has two kinds of Son’s of God – Those that do not possess the Holy Spirit but rely on their Human Spirit to guide them through the intellect in this world. = they are “sons of perdition” satans, devils, castaways, natural brute beast lost in darkness. Never to rise in resurrection of eternal life.
Then their are the Sons of God that Possess the Holy Spirit – They rely on the Holy Spirit to Guide them through this world and receive Eternal life.
Most of you want to believe their is 4 gods in Heaven. And one of them is called Satan that evil “person” that was cast down to earth etc. etc.
Satan is a person alright – called humanity if not Born again. Being Born again burns out all of the humanity and lets Christ nature and Spirit rule you.
Their is only ONE PERSON of GOD -SPIRIT&FIRE =#1
Then manifested in a HUMAN BODY=# 2 so He could die for your sins – Then HE WENT BACK TO THE FATHER in resurrection and became HOLY SPIRIT AGAIN – #3 and came into the 120 in the upper room on PENTECOST. Who were MEN and WOMEN – Making them Gods as well. I am a SON OF GOD — ARE YOU — A SON OF GOD —- or did Jesus die in vain for us. Sons of God are New Creations
Remember – Adam and Eve had Twins – Cain and Abel. A Beastly human with no conscience and void of mercy. etc etc. So bad God had to Mark him – The first murder was satan killing his brother – After Cain rejected God he was lost and living in darkness. Judas betrayed Jesus with a Kiss of betrayal. Judas was a devil manifest in flesh.
Today we are to be Jesus Christ manifest in flesh.
Its all man kinds choice – which one are you going to Process into before you die. You cannot serve Two masters.
Lord bless you DJ. I rest my case. bro. Ty
DJ knows who christ is….. and what born again means….so….not sure where this is headed.
Marianne – just trying to show you that the devil is lost mankind. The fallen man. As God said in
Ps. 82 5. They know not, NEITHER WILL THEY UNDERSTANDD; they WALK ON IN DARKNESS: all the ” FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH ARE OUT OF COURSE.
From Adam to now – “the foundations of the earth are out of course”. By false gods – man in darkness – man’s wickedness, perversions, backbitings, liars, false accuser’s = devil – adversities = satan — slander – murder, every sin possible. Man is behind it all. Not some supernatural spirit that sets beside God on HIS throne and argues with God.
It is the Human spirit that sits beside the heart and soul of man. Telling him he is greater than God. or there is no God. Or I do not need God. that is the true devil – It lives in man until Christ sweeps him out of our heart =throne room. Yes this is somewhat spiritual. But all human’s have a spirit and throne room. AS some say. Who is sitting on your throne. When you Overcome that satan or devil that rules the fallen man. Then Jesus Christ sits on your Throne Room with you. Just like satan and devil sits on you throne room as a sinner.
The Hebrew word for ‘elohiym’ – is pretty self explanatory. We are all Gods children. Evil or Good – never the less we are gods as GOD has declared we are. So we except what God says. Ps. 82 is not an isolated scripture.
We do not fight the flesh of men. But we do fight the Spirit of satan in high places that lives and rules in fallen manhood. The spirit in man that makes him a sinner is the Human spirit and yes that is God as well – Its everywhere in the world. That is your Satan, and Devil, and Lucifer. Sure they get leaders over them. False gods, That end up always destroying their own subjects. Expecting men to die for their cause of greed, and lust for power. that is the anti-Christ. I do not know how to explain it any better . I do not know why the church is so fixiated trying to find the great Anti-Christ man. Just look around you see the results of Amercan and know its already here.
This is one way that satan gets Christians off the course and think more about the anti-Christ than they do Christ himself. Its a diversion to say the least.
God bless – ty
Tom,
You said, never the less we are gods as GOD has declared we are.
Tom,
I think you need to be born again. When you ask God to save you because you know you need a savior, he comes in and lives with you. It is supernatural. What most people have in common that have had this happen to them, they say that it is humbling to think that God, the master of the universe, would have any time for them. He is love personified, and his love for us is humbling. The truth is none of us deserve the salvation he gives us, and therefore we live in humble gratitude, living our lives as best we can in a way that honors him. But if we think that we are somehow special, somehow holier because of who we are and what we do, then living in gratitude doesn’t work. Walking out our lives in ways we hope will please him will cause us to act in ways that are better than the people we were without him. So it is not our righteousness, but his. Even when we trip up and fall, it is his righteousness and our own disappointment with ourselves for dishonoring him that puts us back on the road. We are humbled once again because he is happy to take us back.
Are we God? Not by a long shot.
Tom York,
What are you talking about – you are a god? Like God? Or as a child of God that makes you a god or God? Psalm 82 is your proof text?
Sometimes you read (sound like) dru.
Psalm 82 applies Elohim in the first verse (see E-Sword software for Hebrew translation).
The word “gods” can mean ruler. “Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground'” (Genesis 1:26).
Jesus references Psalm 82 is this passage fromJohn chapter 10:34-38. The following is from Biblegateway and the Expanded Translation.
“Jesus answered them, ‘it is written [L Is it not written…?] in your law that God [Elohim] said, ‘I said, you are gods’ [Ps. 82:6; the “gods” here may be Israel’s judges, or the Israelites generally, or angelic powers]. This Scripture called those people gods who received God’s message [word], and Scripture is always true [L cannot be broken/annulled/set aside]. So why do you say that I ·speak against God [L blaspheme] because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? [Jesus is not denying he is God, but is making a lesser-to-greater argument; if Scripture calls lesser beings “gods,” why should they object that he—the One God sent—calls himself the Son of God?] I am the one God [L the Father] chose [consecrated; set apart] and sent into the world. If I don’t do what my Father does [L the works of my Father], then don’t believe me. But if I do what my Father does [the works of my Father; L them], even though you don’t believe in me, believe what I do [L the works]. Then you will ·know [recognize; learn] and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father'” (EXB).
Same passage from the Easy-to-Read Translation
“Jesus answered, “It is written in your law that God said, ‘I said you are gods.’ This Scripture called those people gods—the people who received God’s message. And Scripture is always true. So why do you accuse me of insulting God for saying, ‘I am God’s Son’? I am the one God chose and sent into the world. If I don’t do what my Father does, then don’t believe what I say. But if I do what my Father does, you should believe in what I do. You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father'” (ERV).
From Matthew Henry commentary (Biblegateway).
“How he explains the text (John 10:35): He called them gods to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken. The word of God’s commission came to them, appointing them to their offices, as judges, and therefore they are called gods, (Exodus 22:28 – “You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler [gods] of your people.”)
To some the word of God came immediately, as to Moses; to others in the way of an instituted ordinance. Magistracy is a divine institution; and magistrates are God’s delegates, and therefore the scripture calleth them gods; and we are sure that the scripture cannot be broken, or broken in upon, or found fault with. Every word of God is right; the very style and language of scripture are unexceptionable, and not to be corrected, Matt. 5:18. (Matthew Henry).
My righteousness is but filthy rages (Isaiah 64:6). God is the righteous judge. It is by the blood of Yeshua, gift of grace not by my works (god), which makes me righteous before Almighty God (Romans 3:21 and 1st John 5:8).
God made me out of the dust of the earth and breathed life into me. He did not create a god – but humans.
I am a child (spiritual, relationship) with Abba Father. He knitted me tougher in my mother’s womb (Psalm 139:13-14), literal?
Excuse me, but I’m not interested in this topic of gods and God. This was about 4 Blood Moons, which are a heavenly sign.
We are the fig tree generation (1947 the proclamation went forth from UN + 70 years per Ps. 90:10 = 2017). Those Blood Moons occur during Hebrew Feast days between 2014 and 2015. These Hebrew Blood Moons and the sign in the heavens on 09/29/11 are the heavenly signs of the end of this age.
Blessings
tom and DJ
that psalm 82 is really confusing……we not not really gods
if that were true, then the snake in the garden was telling the truth…and eve was not deceived.
Chris,
Amen.
DJ Said – This Scripture called those people gods who received God’s message [word], and Scripture is always true [L cannot be broken/annulled/set aside].
Answer: I agree 100% what you say above. Why mess it up with manmade theology.
What have I been telling you all for over a Year and a ½ now. Every Age has a Message that you MUST believe to be a Spirit filled Christian and (Overcome in your age).
To reject Christ present Message and Crucify the WORD is to be cursed no matter how religious you seemed to be. Moses message was not Adam’s message – Noah’s message was not Isaiah’s Message, Abraham’s message was not like Moses, Noah’s or Isaiah’s.
Different Ages bring in a Brand NEW Message. You cannot live off of yesterdays manna.
Jesus said they will take the OLD and will not receive the NEW wine. Jesus said it truly right.
DJ Said – So why do you say that I ·speak against God [L blaspheme] because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? [Jesus is not denying he is God, but is making a lesser-to-greater argument; if Scripture calls lesser beings “gods,” why should they object that he—the One God sent
Answer: -JOHN 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, BEING A MAN MAKETH THYSELF GOD — (They got it backwards like most today) – they should have known the true interpretation of their own Messiah. HE WAS GOD AND MAKETH HIMSELF MAN.
JOHN 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
“I” is GOD and JESUS is agreeing and saying the same thing Jehovah God said. Jehovah of the O.T is Jesus in the N.T.
JOHN 10:35 If HE called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the (scripture cannot be broken;)
1. These two scriptures from Jesus should be self explanatory. If Psalms 82 said God said (“Ye are all gods“). What happens to your literal concepts. Now you want to get Spiritual and deny a Literal quote from God himself And the Lord Jesus. HELLO
2. The God/Man Messiah spoke the same word – This is enough for me to believe.
3. Ye are gods? Jh. 10:34 God here is “Theos”N.T. For 1 & ½ years been telling you all that you are a THEO-PHANY = Phany means flesh . So “we” are selves have to be Part of GOD. Especially with our NEW CREATION or BIRTH – If you do not believe that – then how can you even be a real Christian full of Jesus Christ the HOLY SPIRIT.
DJ SAID – My righteousness is but filthy rages (Isaiah 64:6). God is the righteous judge. It is by the blood of Yeshua, gift of grace not by my works (god), which makes me righteous before Almighty God (Romans 3:21 and 1st John 5:8).
God made me out of the dust of the earth and breathed life into me. He did not create a god – but humans.
ANSWER: Yes your OWN righteousness is filthy RAGS – But when God’s Righteousness comes into your HEART by GRACE it burns out them filthy rags, and makes you a New Creation. The Moons are not going to make you a New Creation.
What you have done is proved to yourself that GOD cannot live in me. Im just a sinner. Nothing but trash. Oh Im so humble to admit it. You just keep PUSHING God out of your life. Cause you cannot figure out why you cannot OVERCOME . That is from the Lord telling me to you.
The Human Spirit will always overtake you. If you give him a ok to come in and fulfill the evil desires of the heart. If you believe just a “little” God said He will even take that away from you and give it to somebody that will use it and add more faith to them. It is a serious thing to be called a Christian yet will not believe simple Scriptures. Christ IN YOU the hope of Glory is proven to still be a “mystery” to the average church people.
JAMES 1:12-16 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them THAT LOVE HIM.
13. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14. But every man is tempted, when he is DRAWN AWAY BY HIS OWN LUST, and enticed.
15. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. —- SIN is UN-BELIEF
16. Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Easy believe-ism is the worst PLAGUE you can have in this age.
I tried to help – bro ty
Judy,
I apply 2 Timothy 2:7, asking Him to explain His Word.
Seems to me the answers are within Scriptures (OT and NT), even within the Psalms.
Blessings
Colossians 1:9-12 is also for you too!
Dan,
Paul gave Timothy this key to understanding Scriptures and it is hidden, very hard to find unless reading slowly and with your eyes wide open.
“Refect on what I am saying, for The Lord will give you insight into all this” (2nd Timothy 2:7, NIV).
Remember He spoke in parables to confound those who think they know everything. It takes a relationship with Jesus for Hin to reveal the message.
We go before God and our righteousness is but fithly rags – we need Jesus. What makes you think we can think clearly without Him?
Blessings
Psalm 40
I agree with you Marianne.
You’ve left out the significant events that occurred when the blood moons and lunar eclipses occurs on Feast days…..expelling of Jews from Spain 1492?…..Israel became a nation 1948/1949…..wining Jerusalem in six day war 1967
…those significant events are why we look closely at these upcoming blood moons/lunar eclipses occurring AGAIN on Yahweh’s appointed Feasts 😉
true….something significant may happen, but many are trying to make it the tribulation itself…and on this , I want to wait and see what happens. 🙂
Marianne,
Pastor blitz was on Prophecy in the News this Sunday. he said that the last of the 4 blood moons would be a super moon, which means it is the biggest and the brightest of full mo because it is t closest it will get to the earth. Also it is going to be when the Jews are camping outs in their grass huts during the feast of tabernacles. They will all see it.
As the Bible says, “Watch therefore: because you know not what hour he comes.”
I think given the choice between expecting and being cautious, it seems to me we are told to err on the side of expecting.
I agree it is better to be prepared, than to be surprised.
People still have not learned from the crap we all heard before. The Jupiter Effect, the Bible Code, the Quatrains of Nostradamus, Y2K and the December 21st 2012 end of the world crap. It’s all witchcraft and nothing is going to happen the next few years. We are not anywhere near the second coming so forget it. The second coming is about 225 years in the future. Satan is having a field day with us. This 4 blood moons is just more crap coming from Satan. It’s witchcraft and the bible warns us about this kind of stuff.
james
I agree that nothing will happen “tomorrow.”
Why do you say it will be 225 years from now?
I feel the Jewish calendar is correct and the year is 5774. 6000 – 5774 is about 225 years. The Bible saids that a day is like a year and a year is like a day with the Lord. I believe we have been 6000 years for mankind on this earth before God steps in and sets things right.
James,
Sorry James but prophecy trumps calendars.
Jesus said that when the fig tree blossoms (Israel becomes a nation again) that generation shall not pass before he returns.
Somehow I don’t think anyone born after 1948 will be alive 225 years from now.
Also, God works in biblical numbers, so I would guess that Jesus will return 2 millenniums from the resurrection in 31 AD. That is also 40 jubilees (40×50 years). Somehow 2207 years from resurrection to second coming just doesn’t sound too biblical.
Thirdly, if the Jewish calendar WAS correct, then everyone would know exactly when Jesus will return, although ironically, the Jews would not believe it. I don’t think God wants to make things that simple and besides Jesus told us to look for signs of His return, not to check the calendar, and the state of Israel was His most important sign.
Time will tell, but if I were you I would keep an eye peeled anyway.
Know what I mean?
Jim
I agree with you. One generation is 70 years. Yisroel became a nation 14 may 1948 and 70 years later is 14 may 2018. Yehoshua must show up Before 2018. Nibiru will probably show up Before 2018 just wait and see.
Sorry but a generation is not 70 years. Nor is it 40 years as many claim. Nor is an average of all the periods referred to in the bible as “a generation.”
A biblical generation is the same as it is today, and it is not an exact number.
I’ll ask you, in today’s standards exactly how long is a generation? The average life span of a man? Or a woman? The average of the two?
You see, the term “generation” does not refer to a number. It never has.
In methuselah’s time it was 969 years, perhaps. Today maybe a hundred years.
Besides, Jesus never said He would return “one generation” from the beginning of new Israel, He only said that the generation that would see it form would not be all gone when He returns.
Otherwise, everyone would know 70 years in advance when the Second Coming will happen… slam dunk, no need to look for signs or to understand the bible.
Ironically, it is those who do not understand the bible (at least in regards to what a generation is) who think they have it all figured out.
So don’t count on 2018 as the date and certainly don’t count on Nibiru to ever show up. Leaving the bible and believing in pagan myths won’t bring you closer to understanding the word of God.
(Adam?)
Jim
expectancy in the World today is 70 years! Google it and you will find out that I am right!
I hope both of you, Jim and ibible, are right and that the second coming is soon. I have a problem with all of this stuff because I’ve been hearing it since 1975 when I was told that Jesus is coming SOON. Many dates have been talked about starting in 1982 and every few years since then. I don’t know if any of you have heard the story of the boy who cried wolf.? If you have then you will know where I’am at now. I would love to be wrong and end up with “egg on my face”. I love your comments because I learn a lot from them. Please keep them comming. Jim Elsea.
James E
Read Amos 5:18 and stop say you hope the return is soon.
Hi ibible. Weee-ooo what a verse. What a surprise for me it was.! But I don’t completely understand.? I was told the the church would not go thru any of the bad times that the world would go thru. I’m somewhat confused.
Jim Elsea.
jesus said in matthew 24 that we will go through tribulation. and then he would come for us afterwards
Ibible,
I look forward to these things as Peter writes in his second letter, chapter 3.
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.”
I also read Malachi chapter 4, which tells me this –
“’For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up,’ Says the Lord of hosts, ‘That will leave them neither root nor branch.
But to you who fear My name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings; and you shall go out and grow fat like stall-fed calves.
You shall trample the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,’ Says the Lord of hosts.”
Blessings
Psalm 91
Shalom!
I Am sending this to you for your consideration. It is a bit different. But I have it
from a reliable source, it is good.
Psalm 119: Time Frame for the End of Days
Michael Barnett
Psalm 119 is more than 176 verses, every one of which mentions the Law of God, using
many different terms. It is a revelation of the unfolding of events during what is known
as the end of days. Indeed, it gives the time frame for these events.
One of the greatest markers of this time frame, has been, seemingly against all odds,
the rebirth of the State of Israel after 1878 years of dispersion. But in our time frame
we do not begin here. Rather, we begin with the First Zionist Congress, 1897-98.
Some years ago God gave me some verses of Scripture for my comfort and encouragement,
Psalm 119:49-50:
“Remember the word to Your servant, in which You have caused me to hope. This is my
comfort in my affliction, that Your word revives me.”
The ‘word’ spoken of here refers to something He gave me in 1988: “Search for the
lost sheep of the house of Israel; gather the scattered seed of Jacob. And bring them
into My House.”
There is no need to discuss this word here, only to say it has been the source of much
struggle in my life, so much so that often I would throw up my hands and proclaim I would
consider it no longer. But this always made me sad. And the Lord would ‘revive’ it once
more within me.
Several years back, when in need, I was reading those verses when I happened to notice
that if the first ‘1’ was dropped, it looked like a date – 1949 – my birth year. So I
thought, if this is an actual date, then the verse before it, 1948, could refer to
Israel. It was then the Lord began to open it up revealing the time frame contained
within 119.
Time and Chance
That 119 has reference to time, other than the chronological listing of events, has to
do with one of the objects God hung in the heavens for the marking of time, namely, the
Moon. And our first clue has to do with the number division of 119 (which of course was
not there in the original, but by God’s design 119 came to be). If you drop the first ‘1’
you have ’19’. The Moon has a 19 year cycle to it. Also, if your double the 176 verses
you get the least amount of time required for a lunar year. Further, the 8 verses of each
section are indicative of the 8 watches of the day. Too, there are 7 days in a week. Then
the ‘8th’ day Sunday marks the beginning of a new week.
Structure
119 is an acrostic psalm, based on the 22 consonants of the Hebrew Alephbet. Each
section, say Aleph, has 8 verses, each of which begin with a word which begins with an
Aleph. This is true through-out 119.
First Jubilee and the Consonants
In 1897-98 the first Zionist Congress was held in Basel, Swiss. Here I stress the word
‘first’, for this first refers to the first consonant of the Hebrew Alephbet, Aleph.
Hebrew began as a phonetic language. Each consonant was based on a literal object. But
it also had a symbolic meaning.The Aleph was literally an Ox, while its symbolic meaning
was that of ‘first and strength.’
This first letter then, as it applies to the first Zionist Congress, symbolically means,
‘the beginning of his strength.’ For it was through the ever growing strength of the
Zionists that the Nation Israel came to be in 1948.
Frame And Structure
Through-out 119 the consonants guide us in journey through time. But how do we get more
‘time’ out of Aleph other that beginnings? As you are aware, the set of numbers 49-50
has much symbolism in Scripture as regards time. They are used twice to mark when Israel
was to celebrate two of the feasts, Pentecost and Jubilee.
The first 6 letters of 119, Aleph to Vav, lead to the creation of the State of Israel in
1948. If we reckon each section as an 8 year period, then 8 x 6 = 48. And if you begin
with the years in 1897-98, you get 50, a Jubilee. An in 1948 Israel enjoyed it’s first
Jubilee in perhaps 1900 years. It had returned!
Second Jubilee
Fine! We have our beginning, and this concludes with the creation of a Jewish State.
Most understand this event was the most significant fulfillment of prophecy in 2000
years. And we understand it heralds the nearness of the end of days and the return of
Christ. But how then do we proceed from here, and what are we to look for? Again, the
consonants guide us.
The next consonant after Vav is Zayin, the 7th. ‘Seven’ in Scripture refers to
perfection, or completion. And it does certainly complete the first two divisions. And it
also leads to the third and final division; the 8th if you will. But it also is the last of the 8 year
sections. It begins in 1999 and goes to 2007. So this gives us exactly where we are in time.
Today we are in the 13th letter Mem, 2013.
This 7th letter Zayin is Seven Septics, or 7×7 which equals 49. And beginning in 1949
and going to 1999-2000 we get our second Jubilee. So the first two divisions total 100 years.
And, as I stated, Zayin also introduces the final division, which we may call, ‘Behold He
Cometh.’ But too, before we get to that point we must introduce another indicator of
time. And this involves another ‘Who Cometh.’
Who Cometh
As an indicator of time, there is a king coming. The Prophet Isaiah tells us this, ‘As
the days of one king, 70 years.’ But how is this ‘who’? The 70 years includes the
approximate length of his rule. 70 is only a symbolic guide. It may actually be 69, or
72, ect. And the 70 also includes his death.
In 1949 a king was born in Israel. And this one will come claiming to be the restoration
of the house of David. And the Jews will receive him because he promises to rebuild the
Temple. During the Feast of Tabernacles, Sept. 2015, he will proclaim the laying of the
Cornerstones on Tisha B’Av, 2016, that a day of mourning be turned to a day of rejoicing.
There is, in the Constellation Orion, a sign of this coming one. On October 21st of each
year the Orionid Meteor Shower occurs. These ‘falling stars’ indicate the birth of one
born in Tel Aviv, 1949, 221st October.
First, understand this. There is a relationship between the Temple Mt. compound and
Orion. The angles of the 4 outer stars of Orion match the angles of the Temple Mt.
compound. And the 3 inner stars speaks of two things: 3 temples; and 3 structures sharing
the Temple Mt. in the end of days: Mosque, Dome, 3rd temple. God’s number is 7. There
are 7 stars in Orion. This is a picture of the relationship between heaven and earth.
Now, this ‘one’ will be 66 years old when he takes power, when the 70th Week begins.
Ayin is the 16th letter. It’s number value is 70, as in 70th Week. The last 7 letters,
Ayin to Tav, represent the years of the 70th. And if we add the 6 of the ’16’ to the age
of the coming one, we get ‘666’. The remaining ’10’ speaks of his government.
His rule will begin in 2016, with the letter Ayin. The literal meaning of Ayin is an
eye. The symbolic meaning of this letter is to ‘behold.’ In Revelation chapter 6, when
the 70th begins, the word ‘behold’, or some variation of it, occurs 6 times. The first
‘behold’ is the rise of the 7th king. And this is the verse just before the 70th begins,
“My flesh trembles for fear of you, and I am afraid of your judgements.’ Then the
‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ begins.
Behold He Cometh
We now begin our conclusion with this final division of time. After the ‘completion’
that Zayin brings, we begin a new way of counting. Heth, the 8th letter, is next. ‘6’ in
Scripture refers to something new, a new beginning. One example makes this clear in the
story of the 8 souls which reestablished mankind on the earth.
So from Heth to the final letter Tav, each letter is one year. And we know this because
the final week is a 7 year period. And as I stated, the last 7 letters represent the 7
years of the 70th.
Each of these letters has a literal and a symbolic meaning. After Ayin (eye – behold)
comes Pe, which means mouth, and ‘speaks’ to the Two Witnesses. Tsadde comes next, and
references ‘righteousness’, referring then to the 144000. Qoph, meaning ‘sun on the horizon, and divide’
and thus referencing time, is the middle, or divider of the 70th. Then comes Rosh,
meaning ‘head’, and speaks of the Anti-Christ. Shin follows, meaning ‘teeth’, and so to
consume, destroy. This is the work of the 8th king, the False Prophet, which comes up
from the earth, out of the Abyss at the 5th Trumpet. Finally comes Tav, and means ‘a
cross, sign, covenant’, and refers to the coming of Christ.
Now, these 7 only generally refer to time. They are more about events. The coming of
Christ for His saints along with the resurrection, occurs at the 7th Trumpet. Four
Scriptures confirm this. And this occurs before the true wrath of God is poured out, the
7 Bowls. The whole of the 70th is about judgement, not wrath. God’s wrath is poured out
upon those who worship the Beast and receive his mark. And this mark does not come until
after the 5th Trumpet, with the rise of the 8th king. And this ‘8’ refers to a new
beginning of the rule of the AC when he shares power with the 8th king , and 10 kings.
So, in conclusion, I am in no way setting a day or hour for the return of Christ. But I
am setting a ‘season.’ And He has given us signs for this season. And this season falls
with the final letter Tav, in 2022. The time is at hand! May you take these words I have
written to heart! May you reconsider what is important in life. If you have two coats, sell
one and give the money to missions. Keep only what you need.
Do you believe 119? Do you believe me? ‘Perhaps’, you may say, ‘you are wrong.’
God has written me into His psalm. Zayin is mine! I speak His word to you. Who will
hear!
God Bless!
Michael Barnett
PS If 666 is his number, what then is his sign, or mark? ‘A Star will rise in Jacob.’ Place a 6
in every small triangle, and in the middle hexagon created in a drawn Star of David.
dear michael
you basically lost me, but I followed a little bit. your outline is very kabbalistic, and I am not used to thinking that way, with all the numbers.
so the AC was born oct 22, 1949, and he will act in 2015 at the 5th trumpet?
and the christ will return in 2022?
I guess we will see, so who do you think the AC is? Bibi?
Hi, No, the AC was born on 21st Oct. 1949. And no, I am not ‘kabbalistic’. God also uses numbers. And no, the one at the 5th Trumpet is the second beast, the one out of the earth, the False Prophet.
Michael,
I assume you are referring to Benjamin Netanyahu as the Antichrist, but I doubt a Jew will be involved here.
But the biggest problem I have with your theory is the heavy use of numerology including fudging like dropping out certain digits in order to make your idea work.
There is a thing called the Word of God and doesn’t require crazy algorithms to determine what they mean. For example, all the prophecies that pointed to the life of Jesus were perfectly clear to the educated Jew and no mathematical calculations were needed for proof.
Since the current pope will become the False Prophet, I don’t see Judaism and Catholicism getting together as a common religion.
Perhaps you can fill us in on what you thing will happen soon.
Do you buy into the “Left Behind” scenario – the Antichrist brokers a 7-year peace plan, takes over the world, creates a One-World religion then requires a chip in the hand to buy or sell etc?
Or maybe something more sublime? I just don’t see how Netanyahu would be involved.
Know what I mean?
Hi, And thanks for your input. I use numbers as God uses them. You nitpick on a few things, but ignore the bulk of the evidence. But, I do not care if u believe me. I present it for your info. And so when u see a Jewish AC building the Temple, forget your pope as the FP. There is NO 7 year peace deal. The covenant, Dan9, which is broken has to do with things associated with the temple, not a peace deal. There will be NO one world government or religion. The point of 119 is to alert the people of God to begin to divest themselves of this world system, and invest heavily in the Kingdom. Let go of your ‘stuff’. The end is near!
I agree about no One-World religion or One-World Government, but I believe the covenant refers to the New Covenant brought by Christ and that the 70 weeks of Daniel are long since fulfilled.
I don’t think the Jews will rebuild the temple. Jesus will do that before He takes His throne.
As for the False Prophet, if will not be the leader of the largest (apostate) Christian church on earth, who do expect it to be? A rabbi perhaps? Anyone we might know?
Hi, I hpoe u do not know him, the FP. He is the 2nd Beast, out of the earth, the one released from the Abyss at the 5th Trumpet. He is Abaddon, the destroyer Daniel speaks of in chapter 9, ‘on the wings of abomination comes one who makes desolate.’
I, clearly, do not accept the interpretation that Jesus is hte ‘he’ who puts a stop to the sacrifices. The fervor among the Jews to rebuild the temple is Very strong. This move in the last several months by Jews to gain the right to pray on the TM is but another step toward rebuilding the temple.
Actually, Jesus did put an end to the sacrifices when he died as the sacrificial Passover lamb. Its just that the Jews never recognized this. But there is no longer a need for a temple or sacrifices. In fact in God’s eyes, sacrificing a lamb is an affront to the sacrifice of His son, so ending such a sacrifice would be a good thing at this point.
As Jesus said about the temple, he will rebuild it in three days, referring to hid time in the tomb and the fact that the temple is now the church, at least until He returns to rebuild the real one to reign from.
And I seriously doubt if the Jews will rebuild the temple, certainly not on the temple mount right next to the mosques, and they certainly won’t be tearing them down to do it.
Even so it is higly unlikely that the Jews will restart animal sacrifices. They discontinued that a long time ago and in today’s politically correct world killing innocent animals every day for your God would not go over well in the court of world opinion.
Sorry but logic and common sense don’t seem to indicate that your interpretation is about to come true.
But that never stops anyone from having their opinions, so have at it.
Hi, I have not said the Jews or anyone needs a temple or animal sacrifice. Bu this temple is a part of prophecy of the end of days. Jesus said the AOD would occur in a temple, as did Paul. John, long after the 2nd temple was destroyed, was told to measure a temple in an area shared by gentiles. Israel will share the TM with the Muslims as part of a peace agreement. But no, I do not think the blood offerings will rise to OT levels. But they must resume, as the Jews see it, as part of Israel’s ‘restoration.’ And too, in this ‘restoration’ comes the AC claiming to be the restoration of the house of David. And so he rebuilds the temple – and this act is the act of the Jewish messiah – as they see it.
Michael,
I re-read some of your original hypothesis and I have some further comments.
I think it is a leap to look at Psalm 119, then remove a “1” and see 19 and assume it means 1949?
As an astronomer for 60 years I know Orion, and while there are over 80 visible stars in it, there are eight which make up the main body including the head but minus the sword, all brighter than magnitude 3.
Also, the four corner stars don’t match the size and shape of the temple mount, they are both simply trapezoids.
Now this is a bit vague:
Ayin to Tav, represent the years of the 70th. And if we add the 6 of the ’16′ to the age of the coming one, we get ’666′. The remaining ’10′ speaks of his government.
Where in scripture does it say we add 6 to the “16 of the age”?
And how do you get 666 by counting the number of a man?You are arriving at the number in a very roundabout way, and what’s the deal with the extra 10 meaning his government? Sounds like more fudging.
Also sounds like you are assuming the 70th week of Daniel was never fulfilled if that is the 70th you keep referring to. But you said there is no 7 year peace plan or tribulation, so I’m a little confused.
Now, you talk about the 8 king(doms) mentioned in revelation.
If Netanyahu is the 7th, who came before him and who will follow him?
And what will the mark be?
And since Netanyahu is already in power in Israel, what will change in 2016? How will he enforce the mark of the beast in such a small country? Will anyone even notice what he’s doing? Does the Book of Revelation have anything to do with Christianity or is it all about Israel?
Convince me…
And as for Netanyahu becoming a false jewish messiah, that won’t ever happens. Remember there are still Old Testament prophecies in place that show he must be born in Bethlehem of a virgin under King Herod and will betryed for 30 pieces of silver etc, etc, etc. So the Jews and the rest of the world will never be fooled and as we know, “the whole world will follow the beast” so the scenario holds no water.
Again, logic and common sense have foiled your theory.
And no amount of mathematical calculations can make the idea make actual sense. (To me).
But keep trying, please.
Hi, Thanks for your comments. First, if you assume Jesus fulfilled Dan. 9:27 refers to the past, and to Jesus, we can’t get very far. Since when did Jesus ‘make a firm covenant’? And what was this covenant? Was this supposed covenant for 7 years? If so, when did He make it, at the beginning of His ministry? Where in Scripture, in the Gospels, does this covenant appear? Second, why does he break this covenant? It is clear this covenant has nothing to do with any ‘peace agreement’. But if so, then reveal your source for this. What is clear is that the covenant had to do with the Temple – knowing that sacrifices are associated with it. And, though perhaps in God’s eyes the sacrifices ceased, the Jews continued in them until 70AD. And, by the way, where did I say ‘there is no tribulation’? The 70th Week IS the trib, the great trib Jesus spoke of. ???
What is clearly and easily seen of the stars in Orion, are 7 stars. And the 7, God’s number, and the angles of the stars and the TM compound, show a relationship between Orion and the TM – not to mention the sign of the AC, 21st. Oct. 1949, along with his desire to rebuild the Temple in order to deceive the Jews.
Listen, I lived in Israel from 2007 to 2012. I attended the Shabbat meal of one Rabbi Mordechai Maklis (he is on Youtube). He allowed (some 100 people attended) people to speak as long as no politic and nothing against Judaism. I spoke often, but in veiled terms – though they knew where I was coming from. God had shown me my ministry there was related to the TM. I warned these not to covenant with one coming in 2015 claiming to be the seed of David, and his desire to build the Temple. I told them this would be for a dividing line in Israel, for life and for death.
As far as prophecies concerning the Messiah, Jewish ‘opinion’ varies – two Jews, 3 opinions. The Jews will be deceived by the AC because they want a temple so badly.
This AC comes as a prince on a white steed. But after Satan, in fulfillment of Isa.14, tries to ascend to the throne of God and is thrown down to earth at the 6th Seal (this is why the disturbances in heaven – there are more times in Scripture the Moon turns red. It is then the AC is revealed for who he is. Some Jews will realize they ‘made a covenant with death’ Isa28, and will flee. But some remain and take his mark – a mark by the way which reveals the occult origins of the Star of David. But the AC utterly corrupts it.
The kingdom before the 7th. was the 6th, of course, the one John spoke of, ‘five have fallen, and one is…’Rev17. Israel, received a ‘deadly wound’ Rev13, in 70AD. But in 1948 Israel rose from the sea of the nations, and the UN superficially healed the wound.
God uses math! And He opened up the revelation of 119 by leading me to ‘subtract’ a 1 from 119:49. It was not chance God gave me 119:49-50 as verses of encouragement. And it was not chance I was born in 1949, under the blood red moons and solar ecilpses of 40-50.
Jesus confirmed the “New Covenant” replacing the Old Testament covenant of Abraham. It was to be a covenant with many forever, not 7 years. People assume it was to last only 7 years because it started on the last week of Daniel’s prophecy. Jesus was to teach for the last 7 years but his ministry was “cut off” after 3-½ years when He was crucified.
As for Israel being the “one that is” when John wrote the Book of Revelation Israel was gone.
Plus, the deadly wound was given to one of the ten heads of the first beast of revelation. So if Israel was one of ten, who was the beast and who were the other nine heads?
No matter how well the math seems to fit, the verses won’t match. There are thousands of verses in the Book of Revelation and I doubt that more than a dozen really fit with your concept.
But the thing that makes you certain makes me skeptical – you believe God Himself imparted this information to you and you alone, above everyone else on earth. You are his “chosen one” picked to reveal His long hidden prophetic truths. I have been arguing with many people who have been similarly “blessed“over the years and so far not one have been proven right. But it’s impossible to dissuade these people and I respect their opinions and always keep them in mind in case the time ever comes and proves them right.
That’s why I ask so many questions. If you’re right, then knowing only a small portion won’t be of much use.
Hi, Do not concern your self with the10 heads. The 7 headed is the important one. And do not concern yourself. I do not see myself as the ‘only one’. Since I have been sending 119 out, I have communicated with many who have arrived at simular conclusions – only mind is the most definitive and complete – that I know of so far. God bless you in your studies.
I guess we have different approaches when it comes to prophecy. I take the written word seriously rather than waiting for God to give me a revelation. It always bugs me when I read a theory when the author picks and chooses verses and ignores everything they can’t explain.
I believe that every verse has a meaning and is part of the fulfillment, just as you believe every word/syllable of two bible verses can be dissected mathematically to explain end-time prophecy.
Otherwise why did God waste His breath and time giving revelation to John among others? You need to take the same time you spent on Psalms 119 on the Book of Revelation in order to confirm what you think God told you. If they don’t match then you might want to reconsider who was whispering in you ears way back when.
Just sayin’
Hi Jim, So I guess u understand all mysteries??? I guess Revelation is an open book to u? I guess u know all that has been sealed in Daniel? The world and heaven has been waiting for u!
While I don’t understand ALL mysteries, I DO understand Daniel and Revelation. The both tell the same continuing story – the history of God’s people from the time of the Babylon captivity until the return of Christ. 99.9% of the time line has been fulfilled so there isn’t much mystery left.
The story line is fairly simple, once you understand it – just as before the Babylonian captivity, God is displeased with His people as they have been seriously backsliding and ignoring His commandments and there will be hell to pay in the coming days.
Once you understand the theme, it is fairly simple to interpret the verses or to match them with history. Of course it took me many years to realize all this and I had to research thousands of theories on the subject to sort the trash from the kernels of truth, but eventually I was able to put it all together satisfactorily.
But I always like to listen to new ideas, just in case there is a morsel of truth in it so I thank you for your input.
But I’m just not seeing any.
That’s because there is NO truth is this Satanic bull crap. Jim.
People still have not learned from the crap we all heard before. The Jupiter Effect, the Bible Code, the Quatrains of Nostradamus, Y2K and the December 21st 2012 end of the world crap. It’s all witchcraft and nothing is going to happen the next few years. We are not anywhere near the second coming so forget it. Satan is having a field day with us. The 4 blood moons is about as supernatural as a fortune cookie. Using the sun, moon, or stars as portents of future events is not astronomy or prophecy, IT IS ASTROLOGY. It’s witchcraft and the bible warns us about this kind of stuff. Such superstitious and practices are forbidden in the Bible [Deut 18: 9-14]. I fully expect the church to be into tea leaves, crystal balls and we-gee boards very soon. This 4 blood moons is just more crap coming from Satan. We subject ourselves to ridicule every time there is an asteroid or a planetary alignment or an eclipse, and we run around crying that the sky is falling.!!
James,
Nice to see there is another skeptic around here. Many people on this site are easily fooled into believing all sorts of false prophecies. Plus a lot of numerology as well.
Well, the first eclipse happens in two weeks so lets wait and see what happens on that day. Maybe we will be surprised.
Or maybe not…
Four BLOOD MOON’S ARE ABOUT TO BEGIN!!
@Jimmy
Yes!
And the U.S. supposedly runs out of money 4/11(tomorrow), because that’s supposedly when the Federal Reserve stops loaning the U.S. money.
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The Vatican is supposed to sign a treaty with Israel this month that will give the Vatican control of all Holy Sites in the land. This will have the blessing of the U.N. April 13 is when that signing is supposed to happen.
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I believe that Passover starts 4/14 – Monday
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Again:
— 4/11 The money stops
— 4/12 Shabot
— 4/13 Israel cedes control to the Vatican with the U.N. blessing
— 4/14 Passover starts
I’m just reporting this. Some or all of it might be wrong
Dan
first moon is at 3 am eastern daylight time, april 15…..it will last 78 min
And how or what does Mars play into anything? Apparently it is bigger and brighter and closer than usually. Happened two years ago and about every two year period. But is it just another sign in the heavens?
Shalom! Rev6 is not the fulfillment of joel. Joel will be fulfilled on Sukkot 2015. In that September the Sun will be darkened and then a blood moon. This announces the beginning of the ‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ – Daniel’s 70th Week.
To All,
The links below all deal with the season we are currently in. The bottom two links can be accessed through the first main link. I split them up just for ease of access. I think you “might” find it quite interesting, but then maybe not. We all tend to have some kind of theory regarding all of this and have seemingly good reasons for it. We will just have to wait and see what transpires as we enter into the season of the Blood Moons. Of what I have learned and come to understand, I “tend” to believe this is the most likely outcome. Whether that is the case or not, we will just have to wait and see. My advice is to stay alert and resist the urge to hit the snooze button!
http://focusontheprophecies.org/jubilee_2017.htm
http://2010rapture.org/8jubilees.html
http://www.pray4zion.org/TheComingBloodMoons.html
Shalom
Shalom – The Lord gave me this before I knew of the tetrads – but they serve to confirm me:
Shalom!
I Am sending this to you for your consideration. It is a bit different. But I have it
from a reliable source, it is good.
Psalm 119: Time Frame for the End of Days
Michael Barnett
Psalm 119 is more than 176 verses, every one of which mentions the Law of God, using
many different terms. It is a revelation of the unfolding of events during what is known
as the end of days. Indeed, it gives the time frame for these events.
One of the greatest markers of this time frame, has been, seemingly against all odds,
the rebirth of the State of Israel after 1878 years of dispersion. But in our time frame
we do not begin here. Rather, we begin with the First Zionist Congress, 1897-98.
Some years ago God gave me some verses of Scripture for my comfort and encouragement,
Psalm 119:49-50:
“Remember the word to Your servant, in which You have caused me to hope. This is my
comfort in my affliction, that Your word revives me.”
The ‘word’ spoken of here refers to something He gave me in 1988: “Search for the
lost sheep of the house of Israel; gather the scattered seed of Jacob. And bring them
into My House.”
There is no need to discuss this word here, only to say it has been the source of much
struggle in my life, so much so that often I would throw up my hands and proclaim I would
consider it no longer. But this always made me sad. And the Lord would ‘revive’ it once
more within me.
Several years back, when in need, I was reading those verses when I happened to notice
that if the first ‘1’ was dropped, it looked like a date – 1949 – my birth year. So I
thought, if this is an actual date, then the verse before it, 1948, could refer to
Israel. It was then the Lord began to open it up revealing the time frame contained
within 119.
Time and Chance
That 119 has reference to time, other than the chronological listing of events, has to
do with one of the objects God hung in the heavens for the marking of time, namely, the
Moon. And our first clue has to do with the number division of 119 (which of course was
not there in the original, but by God’s design 119 came to be). If you drop the first ‘1’
you have ’19’. The Moon has a 19 year cycle to it. Also, if your double the 176 verses
you get the least amount of time required for a lunar year. Further, the 8 verses of each
section are indicative of the 8 watches of the day. Too, there are 7 days in a week. Then
the ‘8th’ day Sunday marks the beginning of a new week.
Structure
119 is an acrostic psalm, based on the 22 consonants of the Hebrew Alephbet. Each
section, say Aleph, has 8 verses, each of which begin with a word which begins with an
Aleph. This is true through-out 119.
First Jubilee and the Consonants
In 1897-98 the first Zionist Congress was held in Basel, Swiss. Here I stress the word
‘first’, for this first refers to the first consonant of the Hebrew Alephbet, Aleph.
Hebrew began as a phonetic language. Each consonant was based on a literal object. But
it also had a symbolic meaning.The Aleph was literally an Ox, while its symbolic meaning
was that of ‘first and strength.’
This first letter then, as it applies to the first Zionist Congress, symbolically means,
‘the beginning of his strength.’ For it was through the ever growing strength of the
Zionists that the Nation Israel came to be in 1948.
Frame And Structure
Through-out 119 the consonants guide us in our journey through time. But how do we get more
‘time’ out of Aleph other that beginnings? As you are aware, the set of numbers 49-50
has much symbolism in Scripture as regards time. They are used twice to mark when Israel
was to celebrate two of the feasts, Pentecost and Jubilee.
The first 6 letters of 119, Aleph to Vav, lead to the creation of the State of Israel in
1948. If we reckon each section as an 8 year period, then 8 x 6 = 48. And if you begin
with the years in 1897-98, you get 50, a Jubilee. An in 1948 Israel enjoyed it’s first
Jubilee in perhaps 1900 years. It had returned!
Second Jubilee
Fine! We have our beginning, and this concludes with the creation of a Jewish State.
Most understand this event was the most significant fulfillment of prophecy in 2000
years. And we understand it heralds the nearness of the end of days and the return of
Christ. But how then do we proceed from here, and what are we to look for? Again, the
consonants guide us.
The next consonant after Vav is Zayin, the 7th. ‘Seven’ in Scripture refers to
perfection, or completion. And it does certainly complete the first two divisions. And it
also leads to the third and final division; the 8th if you will. But it also is the last of the 8 year
sections. It begins in 1949 and goes to 2007. So this gives us exactly where we are in time.
Today we are in the 13th letter Mem, 2013.
This 7th letter Zayin is Seven Septics, or 7×7 which equals 49. And beginning in 1949
and going to 1999-2000 we get our second Jubilee. So the first two divisions total 100 years.
And, as I stated, Zayin also introduces the final division, which we may call, ‘Behold He
Cometh.’ But too, before we get to that point we must introduce another indicator of
time. And this involves another ‘Who Cometh.’
Who Cometh
As an indicator of time, there is a king coming. The Prophet Isaiah tells us this, ‘As
the days of one king, 70 years.’ But how is this ‘who’? The 70 years includes the
approximate length of his rule. 70 is only a symbolic guide. It may actually be 69, or
72, ect. And the 70 also includes his death.
In 1949 a king was born in Israel. And this one will come claiming to be the restoration
of the house of David. And the Jews will receive him because he promises to rebuild the
Temple. During the Feast of Tabernacles, Sept. 2015, he will proclaim the laying of the
Cornerstones on Tisha B’Av, 2016, that a day of mourning be turned to a day of rejoicing.
There is, in the Constellation Orion, a sign of this coming one. On October 21st of each
year the Orionid Meteor Shower occurs. These ‘falling stars’ indicate the birth of one
born in Tel Aviv, 1949, 221st October.
First, understand this. There is a relationship between the Temple Mt. compound and
Orion. The angles of the 4 outer stars of Orion match the angles of the Temple Mt.
compound. And the 3 inner stars speaks of two things: 3 temples; and 3 structures sharing
the Temple Mt. in the end of days: Mosque, Dome, 3rd temple. God’s number is 7. There
are 7 stars in Orion. This is a picture of the relationship between heaven and earth.
Now, this ‘one’ will be 66 years old when he takes power, when the 70th Week begins.
Ayin is the 16th letter. It’s number value is 70, as in 70th Week. The last 7 letters,
Ayin to Tav, represent the years of the 70th. And if we add the 6 of the ’16’ to the age
of the coming one, we get ‘666’. The remaining ’10’ speaks of his government.
His rule will begin in 2016, with the letter Ayin. The literal meaning of Ayin is an
eye. The symbolic meaning of this letter is to ‘behold.’ In Revelation chapter 6, when
the 70th begins, the word ‘behold’, or some variation of it, occurs 6 times. The first
‘behold’ is the rise of the 7th king. And this is the verse just before the 70th begins,
“My flesh trembles for fear of you, and I am afraid of your judgements.’ Then the
‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ begins.
Behold He Cometh
We now begin our conclusion with this final division of time. After the ‘completion’
that Zayin brings, we begin a new way of counting. Heth, the 8th letter, is next. ‘6’ in
Scripture refers to something new, a new beginning. One example makes this clear in the
story of the 8 souls which reestablished mankind on the earth.
So from Heth to the final letter Tav, each letter is one year. And we know this because
the final week is a 7 year period. And as I stated, the last 7 letters represent the 7
years of the 70th.
Each of these letters has a literal and a symbolic meaning. After Ayin (eye – behold)
comes Pe, which means mouth, and ‘speaks’ to the Two Witnesses. Tsadde comes next, and
references ‘righteousness’, referring then to the 144000. Qoph, meaning ‘sun on the horizon, and divide’
and thus referencing time, is the middle, or divider of the 70th. Then comes Rosh,
meaning ‘head’, and speaks of the Anti-Christ. Shin follows, meaning ‘teeth’, and so to
consume, destroy. This is the work of the 8th king, the False Prophet, which comes up
from the earth, out of the Abyss at the 5th Trumpet. Finally comes Tav, and means ‘a
cross, sign, covenant’, and refers to the coming of Christ.
Now, these 7 only generally refer to time. They are more about events. The coming of
Christ for His saints along with the resurrection, occurs at the 7th Trumpet. Four
Scriptures confirm this. And this occurs before the true wrath of God is poured out, the
7 Bowls. The whole of the 70th is about judgement, not wrath. God’s wrath is poured out
upon those who worship the Beast and receive his mark. And this mark does not come until
after the 5th Trumpet, with the rise of the 8th king. And this ‘8’ refers to a new
beginning of the rule of the AC when he shares power with the 8th king , and 10 kings.
So, in conclusion, I am in no way setting a day or hour for the return of Christ. But I
am setting a ‘season.’ And He has given us signs for this season. And this season falls
with the final letter Tav, in 2022. The time is at hand! May you take these words I have
written to heart! May you reconsider what is important in life. If you have two coats, sell
one and give the money to missions. Keep only what you need.
Do you believe 119? Do you believe me? ‘Perhaps’, you may say, ‘you are wrong.’
God has written me into His psalm. Zayin is mine! I speak His word to you. Who will
hear!
God Bless!
Michael Barnett
PS If 666 is his number, what then is his sign, or mark? ‘A Star will rise in Jacob.’ Place a 6
in every small triangle, and in the middle hexagon created in a drawn Star of David.
michael
very elaborate explanation….may be quite true….we will see soon!
Okay MB,
I’ll take the bait. With all due respect, who are you claiming to be??? It’s kind of difficult to have a rational conversation with someone who claims that, and I quote, “God has written me into His Psalm” or to say”The Lord gave me this before I knew of the tetrads – but they serve to confirm me:”
All of those I’s and ME’s are a bit much, unless you really are someone special. So who are you in one or two words? For all of us, please be specific and to the point.
666 is who’s number?
He thinks Benjamin Netanyahu will be the antichrist. He will be the dictator that rules the entire earth! And all the world will love I’m and let him rule over them for 3-½ years – even al Qaeda.
Figure those odds!
Benjamin Netanyahu is NOT the antichrist.
Satan is “the” antichrist. There are many that are antichrist, there is only one antichrist.
Shalom,
I am a watchman for the Lord. I lived in Israel 2007 to 2012. And the Lord has opened the door for me to return this year. My ministry has to do with the Remnant of Israel.
So are you the end-time Elijah spoken of by Jesus?
MB,
You seem to have every ones attention for a time. If I might ask you a question. You said that your ministry has to do with the Remnant of Israel. Since that is your focus, who is Israel and what is your mission to them?
You can’t figure it out? Born in Tel Aviv 21st Oct. 1949. Is in Israeli politics today.
why do you think it is him?
If you read 119 carefully you would know. But his sign is in Orion. Every 21 Oct. is the Orinid Meteor Shower. Orion is connected to the Temple Mt. The AC deceived the Jews by building the Temple.
james is the website cynic. he believes nothing…
Not quite true.
I believe nothing is true about the “Left Behind” scenario which is currently very popular:
No 70th week of Daniel.
No peace treaty for 7 years.
No New World Order.
No One-World Government.
No One-World religion.
No worldwide antichrist dictator.
No rapture.
Other than that I believe in all sorts of things.
I just can’t follow you on all you posts. What is the last kingdom of ten toes of clay mixed with iron that is destroyed by the mill stone? Who/what makes all to worship the beast or get murdered? The ten kings that give up their power for one hour to the beast is what?
There should be a great lie that misleads the elect, and Christ stated his return will be as it was during the time of Noah. Genesis chapter 6, and Numbers chapter 13 deal with corrupt human DNA called the Nephilim, which was the main reason for the flood. According to ancient Jewish writing all who believed in what Noah preached were made to go to sleep, and not suffer G-d’s wrath.
Why does the Bible read we are not/will not suffer G-d’s wrath? Do you believe James we will suffer G-d’s wrath?
The ten toes of Daniel’s statue represent the ten countries (horns) that were left when the legs (Roman empire) disintegrated. They were joined by a little horn (Vatican) which destroyed three of them between 538 and 558 AD. leaving only 7 crowns.
These nations also represent the revived Roman empire (European Union) and the restored Holy Roman Empire soon to form.
Ten of the current 27 members will give their support to the Vatican beast during the tribulation, but eventually they will figure out they are on the wrong side of scripture and they will turn on the Roman Catholic Church and burn the Vatican down before Christ returns.
As for the faithful remnant of the true church, they will be taken to a place of safety during the tribulation. It won’t be a rapture to heaven but an earthly sanctuary chosen by and protected by God. Since most of the Christian world will follow the Vatican beast, the number of true believers will be rather small and easy to hide. They will be just those churches who follow the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. That leaves out every church that worships on Sunday and celebrates any pagan holidays (Christmas & easter) or believes in pagan concepts such as an immortal soul, going to heaven as soon as you die or in the idea of hell. Not to mention the use of graven images and statues and a few dozen other things.
The Book of Revelation is all about cleaning house before the wedding of Jesus and his church.
so the books of daniel and revelation are about 2 different events?
and you believe that only those that are justified by the 3rd commandment go to heaven?
since jesus talked about eternal life , why do you think having an immortal soul is pagan?
Revelation is a continuation of Daniel. Daniel goes from Rome to the return of Christ but leaves out the details that Revelation reveals.
Nobody goes to heaven, ever. Jesus stated this very clearly.
He taught that the dead sleep and knoweth nothing until He returns and resurrects them.
The righteous are rewarded with eternal life but the wicked are destroyed in the Lake of Fire. They do not live forever burning in hell. God is just not that cruel.
In the bible the soul refers to the body, not the spirit.
The idea of an immortal soul was put forth by the Greeks such as Plato. The Catholic church adopted the idea as well as hell in order to scare their followers into coming to church every Sunday (pagan) and to pay indulgences in order to fund the great cathedrals across Europe. (also pagan).
we are three fold: body mind (soul) spirit
the body and soul are different
body is physical
soul is the thoughts and personality
Proximity/Franklin U.S. English Thesaurus
4 meaning(s) for “soul”
1. (noun) the spiritual part of a person
• (synonym) spirit, psyche, anima
2. (noun) the perfect embodiment of something
• (synonym) archetype, apotheosis, epitome, ideal, model, normal form, paradigm, prototype, standard, touchstone, type specimen, quintessence, exemplar
• (related) embodiment
3. (noun) a member of the human race
• (synonym) human being, person, individual, personage, man
• (related) human
4. (noun) feelings or ideas seemingly instilled from a suprahuman source
• (synonym) inspiration, afflatus, enthusiasm
As you can see, “soul” can mean a lot of things. But in the bible it means #3 – a person.
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
This is the first use of the word soul in the bible. It is the creation of a man from the dust of the earth. Here soul refers to the man – the body, nothing spiritual is implied.
Gen 17:14
And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Gen 19:20
Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.
If the soul is immortal, why would Abraham worry that his soul might die? And the verses are referring to real human events, not spiritual ones.
There are many more examples like these throughout the bible.
The same can be said for the word “hell” which was used to replace the word “grave” 33 times after the concept of hell was added to church theology.
It is amazing how many things I learned growing up catholic that turned out to be old pagan ideas that infiltrated the church under Constantine. These ideas have been around for so long that almost all Christians who grew up learning them just can not get rid of them no matter how hard they try.
This is why the world (Christians) will follow the (Vatican) beast and why God will be so angered before He returns.
so you agree with me about what a soul is….
Nope.
The soul is the physical body (definition 3) – a member of the human race.
In the bible the context is always the physical body, not the spirit.
Read my examples again. There are dozens of others throughout the bible.
But semantics aside, even the human spirit is not eternal. At the Great White Throne Judgement the wicked are destroyed in the lake of fire. They are not imprisoned forever in the bowels of the earth with Satan poking them with a pitchfork. Hell, even Satan – a spirit being – and his fellow demons are destroyed in the end.
Check it out.
I never said he would rule the world. His is a regional power, with worldwide influence.
So he isn’t the antichrist? Is he the False Prophet?
Who are the beasts and the two women of Revelation?
It seems maybe you have a different take on the Book of Revelation than most others. (I do as well).
Fill us in a little so we all know what to look for. After all, if you are a watchman it is your duty to warn all of us of what is about to come. You can’t throw out a few numbers and tell us to figure out the rest on our own.
So come on, spill the beans.
I make no such claim.
I spilled the beans – I gave u what the Lord gave me – 119. The one coming in Sept. 2015 is the head of the 7th head – which is Israel. Every country has an international product code – the first #, just outside the bar code. Israel’s # – is 7. Benjamin N. is the 7th Head – the AC.
The False Prophet is the 2nd Beast – the one ‘out of the earth – the one released from the pit at the 5th Trumpet – the 8th Head.
1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. Ez.23. The Woman on the Beast is the Mother of Harlots – Tel Aviv in the North – Jerusalem in the South.
As A Watchman, I have blown the Shofar – I have given you 119. Take the admonition at the end and begin to divest yourselves of this world system – and invest in the Kingdom.
So, by next September, if Netanyahu has not ascended to president of Israel, then your theory falls apart, right?
Is that the main sign that you are expecting that we should all watch for?
there have been 12 prime ministers of Israel, in 18 time frames, and BN is current, he is number 9, repeating a position.
how do you get he is number 7?
Most of this I agree with. But there is a 70th Week – its called the end of days which concludes this present age. The ‘covenant’ made with the Jews has to do with the Temple. After this covenant is broken, the Destroyer comes ‘on wings of abomination’ – the 8th Head – the FP. He sets up the AOD – and gives the mark. Those who believe Dan 9:25 refers to Jesus cannot properly explain the AOD and the mark.
See this link to fill in the blanks.
http://focusontheprophecies.org/jubilee_2017.htm
Watch! And know the time IS at hand! He wiil not be president – rather seen as the restoration of the house of Israel.
I stated this in 119 (u did read it?) – the last manifestation of powers is when the 10 kings (toes) are given power with the AC for one hour.
The ‘lie’ is that told by the FP – that the AC is god. GOD sends this delusion – remember?
who are the 10 toes in israel?
The Church is caught up/ resurrection occurs at the 7th Trumpet, just before the true wrath of God is poured out upon those who worship the AC – namely the 7 Bowls. The whole of the 70th is about judgement – not wrath.
Sorry, your question does not make sense. The 10 are other nations.
It has nothing to do with previous pms.
The mystery of Israel’s redemption is that ‘only the remnant will be saved.’ And this salvation occurs in two stages separated by 100’s of years. The two house of Jacob – Judah and Israel – are prophetic of this redemption. The elect in Judah were saved first – Jesus ‘called-out’ His chosen as the foudation of the Church – and Judah built it up till the Gentiles came in – then Judah faded from the Church, and all the curses of Deut.32 came upon those who had rejected Jesus. But now, in these end of days, God is again showing mercy to Jacob. He, through the Church, is ‘calling-out’ the remnant in Israel. And as I sated in 119 God gave me this word in 1988 – “Search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel; gather the scattered seed of Jacob. And bring them into my house.” And it is for this calling I will return to Jerusalem.
I agree with your last statement above. Messiah has others who are also doing the same work. What I am saying is that, this is not just about “a” Watchman (singular), but rather “the” Watchmen (plural). What a watchman does has nothing to do with him as a person. It is only about Messiah and His message of restoration to “all” of His people Yisrael!
If you are to be successful in your mission, get your eyes off yourself and get them on Messiah and the people He has sent you to! You are poisoning the well before any one can drink from it.
Shalom
You are judging me wrongly. I was asked who I am and what I see my calling as. But if by ‘all the people of Yisroel’ u mean ‘ALL’, u are wrong. Paul does say in Rom11 ‘all Israel will be saved’ – Scripture must interpret Scripture. In Rom9 he defines who Israel is.
I have no problems with and actually enjoy reading the material you are giving. The first thing I had really read of yours was your post on April 10 at 8:00 PM.
These were your comments:
“Shalom – The Lord gave me this before I knew of the tetrads – but they serve to confirm me:”
“Do you believe 119? Do you believe me? ‘Perhaps’, you may say, ‘you are wrong.’
God has written me into His psalm. Zayin is mine! I speak His word to you. Who will hear!”
You wrote all of this before I ever asked who you were. I was not judging you, just stating a fact. I have seen this type of I – Me stuff before and it never ends well. All of your references never went to believing what Yah had said, but rather what you had said. The crazy thing is I agree with your view of who Israel is, 100%. You just need to approach it with more humility and keep yourself in the background. Maybe you can’t see it, but you made the whole post about yourself which took the life out of it.
A person’s success in ministry is not about their ability, but Ruach HaKodesh within them. Please believe me, I am not against you. I know what your are doing and saying. All that I am saying is to consider the attitude that you approach all of this with. It is not about being weak and beggarly, but rather being confident and bold, while being personally unassuming, for none of this is about what “we” say, but rather what “He” says. Being “His” mouthpiece does not put anyone on a pedestal.
As far as who is Israel – being an ethnic Jew has nothing to do with this and neither does calling oneself a Christian. I believe those who are true Israel are defined as:
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And the Dragon raged against the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her Seed, these who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua.
Shalom my brother
Shalom – and thank you for your comments!
Michael,
One last thing. I don’t talk too much about personal things, but we do have something in common, beside the fact of who we see as the remnant of Israel: I also was born in 1949. Coincidence? Not a kosher word. I hope you stay around and interact. You have much to give.
Shalom
Shalom Al, And again thank you for your insights. I was born December 1949, so I almost claim 1950 as well. This is, in part why I say the Lord has written ‘me’ (little m) into His Psalm – the 49-50 are important numbers. I do get a little full of myself at times – so its good to get set aright!
Michael,
Thank you for your forgiving Spirit. I look forward to future talks with you. I was born May 1949.
May 1949 – Israel joins the United Nations
Dec 1949 – The Knesset votes to move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem
Our b-day’s seem to be in good company
i was born on a day that was not special to anyone 🙂
Hey Marianne,
Truth be known, you are special to most all the people who have made 7,258,287 posts on this blog. Quite an achievement for someone just trying to help others and being a friend to those who are friendless. Being on here feels like being home. Thank you!
oh thank you…that is real sweet of you.
I learned long ago that what people want most, or almost most, is to be able to express themselves, and to have themselves heard….
so this is one place they can do that. 🙂
Marianne ! I am sure you are wrong!
ok that is your opinion
Benjamin Netanyahu is NOT the antichrist
Dan
Dan, thanks for your OP. U speak not as the scribes, but one with authority!
And I have come to the right place to express it. Yes? And while I am at it…I know u have spoken much on the 144000 – but I did not follow all of it. And I may have stated this already – but I think it clear the 144000 are the Bride of Christ – that all the Church of all the years are invited guests to the Marriage Supper – friends of the Bridegroom – otherwise why the place of honor with the Lamb on Mt. Zion?
here are my thoughts..on the 144K
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/144000-and-the-2-servants/
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/the-144000-and-the-rest-of-the-jews/
Shalom, I agree with much of what u said, esp. about the CC. And man was first created a ‘soulist’ being. But in the breathing in of the Ruach of God, a connection was made between heaven and earth – the physical and the spiritual. But when man sinned, the connection was interupted, and man became ruled by the physical. ‘Religion’ is man’s attempt to restore the connection.
Michael,
I give this only as an addition to your reference to “the breathing in of the Ruach of God”.
John 6:63 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
63 It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh is no help. The words I have spoken to you are Spirit and life….
When Messiah speaks He exhales words (His spoken-written words) that are received by man on either a natural level, that are understood according to our worldly carnal thinking, or they are received (inhaled) as intended, through and by the Spirit. Most of Ephraim (the Christian Church) and Judah (The Jews) do not understand this and make their “religious” decisions based on a lack of understanding, and find themselves, in their zeal for Yah, to be working against Messiah-Ruach HaKodesh, all the while thinking they are serving and pleasing Him.
Ephraim having received the atoning blood of Messiah for salvation through the Spirit of the Word, but rejecting the Torah based on their natural, carnal worldly understanding of laws written on stone; that which was old replaced by the new, causing the Christian Church to be blinded to Messiah Yahshua, the Torah as something transitory.
On the other hand, Judah reacting the exact opposite of Ephraim, receiving the Spirit of the Word regarding Messiah, the Torah of Yah, while rejecting Messiah the Lamb of Yah, according to their natural, carnal worldly understanding of the Word. The Jews thus being blinded to the fact of Messiah Yahshua, their sin sacrifice.
We know that Ruach HaKodesh was given, in His power, on Shavuot (Pentecost) to those of Israel assembled in the upper room 50 days after Passover (Messiah our salvation). It is also believed that on Shavuot, the Torah (Messiah the Word-Torah) was given in His power at Sinai by Messiah Yahshua the Lawgiver, 50 days after the first Passover, to all Israel.
I believe that in the Greater Exodus that Yah will heal His people and bring us to a place of wholeness, restoration, and unity; that in the wilderness, on some Shavuot, Judah and Ephraim who are blind to Messiah the Lamb or Messiah the Word-Torah respectively, will see and receive the fullness of the Spirit of that which they are lacking.
Those who rebel in the wilderness, be they of Judah or Ephraim, WILL NOT enter the Kingdom:
Ezekiel 20:34-38
34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign LORD. 37 I will take note of you as you pass under my rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. 38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
Look at verse 38-
38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
A rebel is someone who is rebellious to the authority they are under. In this situation, the authority is YHWH-MessiahYahshua-Ruach HaKodesh. Why would YHWH bring those who are rebellious to Him, into the wilderness if His intention is to purge them out of His assembly? They are the ones who are scattering through replacement theology (the Christian Church) or their exclusive claims to the Halacha of Yah (the Jews).
In the wilderness, Yah will plead (make His case) with those who are rebels. If they reject their rebellious ways and begin working towards the unity of “ALL” Israel, they will no longer be counted as rebels and will be allowed to enter Israel (The promised land). If they (the rebels) refuse to obey the rebel’s only hope is to be faithful unto death. They will realize at that point that they missed it and that the only way into the Kingdom is through tribulation and death.
Those who refuse at this point are counted as rebels having no part in the Kingdom (Israel). Those who endure are ushered into the Kingdom and are no longer considered rebels.
One fact that both the Christian Church and the Jews don’t seem to understand, is that Messiah (the Word-Torah) and Messiah the Lamb of Yah (our sin sacrifice) are ONE. He cannot and will not be divided. For His own purposes He has allowed it to be this way. But His day of restoration and reconciliation are upon us, and it will be so with those of a willing and humble heart.
Shalom
Interesting news article concerning Israel and Iran, given the timing of the events in the article. Couple this with Israel pulling all of their embassy personnel out of all 102 embassies for the first time ever. Only Yah knows for sure the events and timing of said events, but seems prudent for His people to be aware and alert. Anyone who is asleep and chooses to stay that way, just hit the snooze button and relax (sounds kind of redundant). I am sure it will all be okay! I apologize in advance for the sarcasm.
Here is the article:
http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2014/04/13/iran-crosses-israels-red-line-claims-entitlement-to-enrich-uranium-at-90-weapons-grade-level/
Shalom Al,
That was very interesting – much of which I concur.
Michael,
What I sent to you was part of a larger written piece that seemed to fit into what you were saying. I find that in paring it down I left out the foundational aspect of the writing. I include more just for clarity sake:
Jeremiah 23 1-8
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
23 “Oh no! The shepherds are destroying and scattering the sheep in my pasture!” says ADONAI. 2 Therefore this is what ADONAI, the God of Isra’el, says against the shepherds who shepherd my people: “You have scattered my flock, driven them away and not taken care of them. So I will ‘take care of’ you because of your evil deeds,” says ADONAI. 3 “I myself will gather what remains of my flock from all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their homes, and they will be fruitful and increase their numbers. 4 I will appoint shepherds over them who will shepherd them; then they will no longer be afraid or disgraced; and none will be missing,” says ADONAI.
5 “The days are coming,” says ADONAI
when I will raise a righteous Branch for David.
He will reign as king and succeed,
he will do what is just and right in the land.
6 In his days Y’hudah will be saved,
Isra’el will live in safety,
and the name given to him will be
ADONAI Tzidkenu [ADONAI our righteousness].
7 “Therefore,” says ADONAI, “the day will come when people no longer swear, ‘As ADONAI lives, who brought the people of Isra’el out of the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘As ADONAI lives, who brought the descendants of the house of Isra’el up from the land to the north’ and from all the countries where I drove them. Then they will live in their own land.”
Matthew 12:30-32
30 “Those who are not with me are against me, and those who do not gather with me are scattering. 31 Because of this, I tell you that people will be forgiven any sin and blasphemy, but blaspheming the Ruach HaKodesh will not be forgiven. 32 One can say something against the Son of Man and be forgiven; but whoever keeps on speaking against the Ruach HaKodesh will never be forgiven, neither in the ‘olam hazeh nor in the ‘olam haba.”
We see the same message given in Jeremiah and in Matthew. It is a warning to make sure we are “gathering” and not “scattering” Yah’s sheep-His people. We know that Ephraim and Judah each went their separate ways during the days following Solomon’s death, by the will of Yah, and so it has been until our time. The end of days is not singularly about the Jews (House of Judah) OR the Christians (Ephraim-House of Israel) as separate entities. It is about the restoration of ALL ISRAEL-both Judah and Ephraim as one in Eretz Yisrael.
Those of Judah and Ephraim who preach-teach-or endeavor to keep apart Yah’s people, through the teaching of replacement theology (the Christian Church) or an attitude of superiority or exclusivity (Orthodox Judaism) concerning their brothers and sisters, and continue to do so, will come under judgment and be seen as rebels, choosing to scatter (keeping apart) rather than gathering (bringing together).
We find Messiah saying in Matthew 12:31-32 that the words He is speaking are of Him, the man Yahshua, but come from the Ruach HaKodesh-His Words are Spirit!
The pivotal statement in all of this is-
If we are not gathering Yah’s people, both the House of Israel (Ephraim) and the House of Judah (the Jews), then are we dividing and scattering. There is no middle ground on all of this. This is an absolute: we see the warning given in Matthew 12 30-32;
30 “Those who are not with me are against me, and those who do not gather with me are scattering. 31 Because of this, I tell you that people will be forgiven any sin and blasphemy, but blaspheming the Ruach HaKodesh will not be forgiven. 32 One can say something against the Son of Man and be forgiven; but whoever keeps on speaking against the Ruach HaKodesh will never be forgiven, neither in the ‘olam hazeh nor in the ‘olam haba.
These words of Messiah are strong and doesn’t leave much wiggle room. It is what you and others are called to do; to “gather” that which previous Shepherds have “scattered.” It is definitely the season and time of the harvest!
Shalom
Shalom Al, Thank you for the very good info. Let me share something with you about ‘all Israel.’ The mystery of Israel’s redemption lies in the fact that – ‘Only the remnant will be saved.’ The two houses of Jacob, Judah and Israel are prophetic in nature. The Remnant, though one, is redeemed in two stages separated by 100’s of years.
Judah was saved first – Hosea 1. Jesus, of Judah, came to his own and ‘called-out’ the remnant in Judah – these were for the foundation and building up of the early Church. But after that the Gentiles came into the NC, the full number in Judah was reached, and Jews faded from the Church. And in fact, those who had rejected Jesus as Messiah, clinging to Moshe, God cast them out of His house, and all the curses of Deut32 (a prophetic history of Israel) came upon them.
But now, in these end of days, God is again showing mercy to Israel. And as he made His disciples ‘fishers of men’ (Jer16) to gather the remnant in Judah, today He makes His Church ‘hunters of men’ (Jer16) to search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the rest of the remnant.
‘All Israel’ is not Israel. Paul says in Rom11 that ‘all Israel will be saved’. But in Rom9 he defines who Israel is – ‘the children of the flesh are not the children of God – but the sons of the promise are counted as seed.’ So all Jews will not be saved – only His chosen.
This is awkward! We both used similar terminology with one of us speaking Greek and the other speaking Hebrew. I mistook your attitude as an innocent moment of pride, while in fact it seems that it was gross arrogance. Your seeming connection with Israel, the people and the land, was not to understand what Yah was and is doing there, but rather to be their self-proclaimed savior. I missed this one big time. Much of what you say in the natural sense is true. You do a great timeline. What you don’t seem to understand is the heart of our Abba, regarding the House of Israel (Christian Church-Ephraim) and the House of Judah (the Jews) and what He is doing in all of this. The Jews (at least for the most part) will not convert to Christianity and the Gentiles will not convert to Judaism.
Your attitude seems to be one of Christian good-Jew Bad. My advice to you (not that you want it), clean up your own house before you carry your unwanted baggage to someone else’s house. My Jewish brothers and sisters deserve better than this.
Also, no one ever said the Jews would be saved because of their ethnicity, just as the Gentiles will not be saved just because they call themselves Christian. It has always been about the remnant-which is NOT Hellenized Christianity nor is it those who say they are Jews and are not.
I bear you no ill will or animosity. I have just heard all of this so many times before. Your traditions are of no affect and do you a disservice.
I have no clue what u r upset about. NO Jew, will inherit anything apart from Christ – not the Land – nor eternal life.
Al,
Outstanding essay, writing about the Word and the Lamb are ONE.
The evangelical church is clueless. I think they do not realize or appreciate “the fear of the LORD” (Isaiah 33:5-6).
“Who is the man that fears the Lord? Him shall He teach in the way He chooses.
He himself shall dwell in prosperity, and his descendants shall inherit the earth.
The secret of the Lord is with those who fear Him, and He will show them His covenant” (Psalm 25:12-14).
I’ll keep your complete reply/post for future reference.
God bless you.
Psalm 25
Every eclipse occurs on these days for the Jewish calender is a lunar based calender. So of course these eclipses are going to happen on those days also please do some research before blabbing your mouth about something you know absolutely nothing about only God knows the time he says that and it is best to remember that and stop spreading fear and anguish
Lol.. Thank you so much.. It is ridiculous how if one little thing happens, that if looked at can kinda but not relate to the Bible it is the end of the world.. People need to stop worrying about this.. Just live laugh an love everyday.. Enjoy your life like God planned.. If he wanted you to know.. HE WOULD OF MADE IT VERY CLEAR at the beginning.. So relax an enjoy this breath taking event..
Yes, and those in Noah’s day were having a good time, and no doubt explained away the signs – Noah and his ark – clouds in the sky – rain falling from heaven. The sign on Sukkot 2015 IS the fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy for it tells of the soon coming (2016) ‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ the 70th Week. The Church needs to begin to prepare – divesting themselves of this world system and investing in the kingdom. So use your money for your ‘fun’ if u wish. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
LOL.. These must be the same people that believed in y2k n Dec. 21st being the end too… Lol.. So what’s your guys excuse going to be this time? Smh.. Believe the church.. That’s your first mistake.. They lie more then anyone
Lunar eclipse of April 15th 2014, with Mars at its closest to earth, within the same time frame and visible to the naked eye:
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/total-lunar-eclipse/
http://www.universetoday.com/14709/symbol-for-mars/
Coincidence? WE will just have to wait and see.
First of all, mars was not in true opposition last night. If so it would be either directly above or below the moon and it was not, so close but no cigar on that one.
Also, mars is in opposition once every year and the moon is in opposition every month (at full moon), so this situation is not that rare and certainly not a once in a millennium event. A perfect opposition maybe, but as I said, last nights event was not perfect.
Close enough for government work maybe, but not God’s.
Note: I replaced my old gravatar with a photo of the eclipse I took last night. Also got a shot with mars in it. Cool shot for an old astronomer like myself.
Kind of early to say what it was and what it wasn’t-don’t you think? Your statements are cynical and definitive. Your response errors more on setting dates, by categorically denying dates. No one said emphatically that this was THE date! When we see all these things happening and coming together at one time, it is a call to watch and be prepared. We all have a tendency to believe one way or the other. That alone doesn’t make US right or wrong. It is when we are definite about the outcome that we cross that line. Your science seems to preclude your faith to a seemingly great degree. We will just have to see what plays out now. The problem is, many who read this will be prone to listen more closely to what you say, because you are the “science guy”, and you said nothing will happen out of this. Now we can all relax and not be concerned about any of this. Nothing can happen in the near future. We can hit the snooze alarm and catch a few more zzzzz’s!
Honestly, I hope you are right:
Amos 5:18
New International Version
Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light.
But as was said above-“WE will just have to wait and see.”
Sleep well James
Shalom
Hey Al,
Don’t get me wrong, I see things happening all the time that are precursors to the tribulation. Of course my expectations are different than most others. Its what I DON‘T see that I discuss here.
For example, there are many here who have calculated or simply believe that based on these eclipses and other mathematical gymnastics that the Second Coming will happen in 2016. For years I’ve argued with people like this, but at this point it can’t possibly be true since the 2 witnesses have not yet shown up in Jerusalem. And since they are to preach for 3-1/2 years there is no way that 2016 is the right year. In fact, since they did not appear this year the earliest possible date would be 2018.
So to everyone who bought into the 2016 date I can now say “I TOLD YOU SO!”
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING A CYNIC OR A SKEPTIC and understanding the truth. Believe me, if I ever see a world dictator come to power, or if millions of people are raptured I will quickly change my tune. But so far all of my critiques have been correct so I will just keep on truckin’ for the time being.
Bless…
Hi Jim.
I agree with you on this blood moon crap, but the ten toes are the last kingdom on earth. How can it be in the dark ages?
Plus, I do not fear the Vatican and have no problem calling a lot of the Universal Church’s doctrine pagan. So, how is the Pope going to come murder me for being Christian? He has no physical power.
I don’t think those who worship on Sunday will be sent to hell. What about those who work weekends and take one day off a week to rest according to G-d’s commandment?
The two witnesses are murdered by the beast that rules the world, and causes all who do not worship him to be murdered. The beast also makes a treaty with the many and brings a false peace for 3.5 years. The two witnesses preach the last half of the seven year treaty and get murdered right before Christ’s return.
The ten toes represent the nations of Europe, from the beginning of the Holy Roman Empire to the current European Union, the restored Roman Empire, and the soon to be created restored Holy Roman Empire which will give the pope (False Prophet) all the power he needs to control the way people worship. The great whore church, still headquartered in Europe, is the mystery Babylon which will be destroyed before the Second Coming (the stone).
So there is no need for additional body parts and all parts of the statue are contiguous – no giant gaps in time. Time-wise the feet last for almost 1,500 years.
In the dark ages tens of millions were burned or beheaded for Judaizing – including worshipping on Saturday. The same will be true for the restored Holy Roman Empire in the near future. Just as the pope had the power back then, he will again soon. The mark of the beast will only be about the Roman Catholic Church and its leader. And if you don’t believe this could ever happen then the idea of someone taking over the whole world and forcing them to worship him and take his mark of a chip in the hand or forehead is simply ludicrous.
Those who worship on Sunday will not be sent to hell. Hell does not exist – ask any Jew including Jesus. But they will certainly be taught a lesson with the 7 last plagues. By the time Christ returns there won’t be a Christian on earth who will ever want to worship on Sunday ever again. But if anyone persists then they will be terminated in the Lake of Fire.
The 2 witnesses are killed by the minions of the False Prophet, the leader of the whore church. More than likely they will preach the Ten Commandments including the 4th and warn people they have strayed from the law. But the False Prophet will call them heretics and have them killed. Their appearance will herald the 3-1/2 year tribulation, not seven. There is no treaty, and no dictator takes control of the world promising world peace for 7 years.
Unfortunately so many people believe in that story that they will not realize that the tribulation is under way because no such treaty will have been made.
jim
you are stuck in daniel 2 and have never made it to daniel 7.
so there is no hell, just ask any jew? while you are at it, ask them it jesus is messiah also. see if they believe in either jesus or hell
hell is there and it is more than what you think. and you do not want to go there. jesus saved us from something…..a slap on the hand for sins, or something worse?
where did you see that jesus said there was no hell.?
so a christian who worships the true god and messiah jesus on sunday will be terminated in the lake of fire? that is pretty bad. I wonder what god does with the wicked, who do not worship god?
I worship god every day in my life…including sunday…so I am going to the lake of fire? that is ridiculous.
I would ask you to find where in the bible hell is described. Obviously it is not in the Old Testament, so if hell was created it had to be part of the New Covenant and its creation must have been described in detail by Jesus to His disciples, right?
I mean, this is a huge change from old Judaism where when you died you slept in the earth until the resurrection. Surely Jesus would have told His disciples about it in detail so they could spread the new concept throughout the world. So where is this lecture? And where is the lecture that tells us that rather than sleeping until the resurrection, we are judged as soon as we die and are sent either directly to heaven or to this new place, hell?
Rev 20: 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
According to these verses, the sea contains dead people – but how is that possible if everyone goes to heaven or hell directly?
And what is meant by death and hell delivered up their dead? If people were judged and sent to hell when they died, why would they come out of hell to be judged again here? Did God make a mistake the first time? And what is death? How does it deliver people from it if everyone is in heaven or hell?
Then hell is thrown into the lake of fire. So the Lake of Fire can’t be hell, it must mean total destruction. But if the wicked burn forever in hell, how then is hell destroyed in the Lake of Fire?
It should be clear here that the word hell just means the grave, which it really does. The Catholic church replaced the word grave with hell 34 times in the bible to reinforce the concept which it adopted in the dark ages.
It is death and the grave who gives up their dead, and then after this Great White Throne Judgement they are both obsolete and are symbolically thrown into the Lake of Fire.
The great whore church has polluted the true word of God in so many ways that almost the whole Christian world follows the Vatican beast in one way or the other, and the belief in hell is a big one.
you need to study your bible more…yes, the dead go to another world, and there are different words to describe the different options….not all the dead go to the same place.
there is a fiery place of punishment
http://doctrine.org/hell-and-judgment/
http://www.jesuscentral.com/ji/questions/did/what_did_jesus_teach_about_hell_842.php
Those links do not prove anything. Their so called proof is that Jesus uses the word hell over and over, but they fail to realize that the word hell replaced the word grave by the Catholic church. So while Jesus was actually talking about the grave, the apostate pagan church switched words to fool unknowing people into thinking that they would burn in hell forever if they failed to show up in church every Sunday and put some money in the collection plate.
Try here for the truth about hell (and keep an open mind):
http://www.helltruth.com
You need to jettison your pagan misconceptions before the tribulation. All these concepts will be destroyed as Mystery Babylon when Christ returns. The true church of Christ will be mostly Judaism
and not all the extra crap that has been piled on it over the centuries by a false church. Imagine what the church of Philadelphia was like in 95 AD and you will be pretty close to the bride of Christ.
jesus mentions the fires of hell…a fiery place…so it does not sound like “sleep” to me
@Marianne
You said, “one way or the other, there is a fiery place that jesus described…..
its effects are eternal, whether you stay there forever or not.
it sounds bad enough where even 2 minutes is unbearable”
True Marianne. The question is, what is the Bible and Jesus referring to when they speak of fire?
The Bible is full of metaphor and allegory. Fire is thought to be a metaphor. The fire of God is thought to be a spirit against which evil cannot endure. Evil is thought to be a spirit that cannot endure in the light of God’s spirit.
It’s thought that the evil spirit within this “controversy” of our existence, will not prevail, and will be forever extinguished in the lake of fire that it, and the anti-Christ cannot endure.
Yes, there is an everlasting fire. It’s likely the fire of righteousness that evil cannot endure. Good always wins out.
Everlasting torture is inconsistent with a perfect God.
Dan
see response below
@Jim Giordano
Your logic is sound. An “everlasting” place of physical and mental pain and anguish is inconsistent with what a perfect God would ordain.
One must consider whether a perfect God would have “created” such a place like hell. Likely not. So, the other conclusion is consistent with what you have offered.
You are right. The stereotypical “hell” was a construct of the “whore” that was/is the “Beast”, which was/is Catholicism.
Those who reject what is freely offered, die the eternal physical and spiritual death.
The idea of eternal torture ordained by a God of love? Not so much.
Dan
one way or the other, there is a fiery place that jesus described…..
its effects are eternal, whether you stay there forever or not.
it sounds bad enough where even 2 minutes is unbearable.
I Jim,
I enjoy reading your posts, but I do not agree with all you wrote.
If there are ten economic regions of the world which are controlled by a Central bank, then it seems easy for me to think one day someone will tell you to do something and when you do not the switch to your money is clicked off.
I work weekends, so I have to take a day during the week as my day of worship. I may not get the rewards in Heaven I was hoping for like ocean view, wet bar…, but I feel believing in Jesus and trying to love others will get me to Heaven.
Peace.
LN,
Remember that God marks the 144,000 in their foreheads. In other words He places His laws into their minds so that they might know the Lord. He cannot mark them in their hand because that represents works and since everyone has free will, only they can carry the law into actions.
The beast (Vatican) will place its mark of Sunday worship into the foreheads (minds) of its followers and they will believe that breaking the commandment(s) is the right thing to do. Most will obey and will put the mark into action and have it in their hand (works).
It is most important to know in tour mind that the true Sabbath is the 7th day and not the first. If you can avoid Sunday worship you will not have the mark. I suppose if the beast could force you to leave your home and got to church on Sunday, then perhaps if you went to the church but did not participate in any prayers then maybe you might not offend God.
If you must work on Saturday then perhaps acknowledging each Saturday as the true sabbath and asking for forgiveness (as in the Lord’s prayer) each time you are forced to break the law. We sin all the time and so we must always ask for forgiveness, so this is no exception.
Keep the law in your forehead and God will forgive your hand.
now that is the most self contradictory comment I have heard in awhile….
do not take the mark, but if you do, ask for forgiveness and everything will be ok.
you are so stuck on sunday you are missing god
anyone who takes the mark, whatever it is , is doomed
There are two parts to the 4th commandment – rest and worship. If you have to work for some reason, like a job, you are breaking the law so you must ask for forgiveness. But if you believe Sunday worship is the new law as changed by the church, you will suffer the seven last plagues. But we are not in the tribulation yet so the mark is not yet in effect. Once it is, all bets are off. I personally think it would be better to refuse to go to mass on Sunday and be killed than to try to fake it and hope the lord will be OK with it.
So you are right about the mark, but not till the False Prophet forces it on his people. Till then, try your best to follow the law, and ask for forgiveness when you fall short, as we all do.
Shalom, This wholeVatican/AC/whore thing is old worn out crap. As far as the ‘covenant’, it has nothing to do with a ‘peace treaty’ or ‘security agreement’ for Israel. It has to do with the temple and sacrifices. It is not a peace treaty that is stopped mid-trib, but the sacrifices. As far as the TW, their ministry begin at the 6th Seal, and is related to the 144000. The 2nd Beast, the FP, the one ‘out of the earth’, is released from the Abyss at the 5th Trumpet. He makes war on the TW.
I kind of think this way…..
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/what-kind-of-covenant-will-the-antichrist-really-confirm/
No friend, we do not know the ‘day or the hour’ – but we do know the ‘season’ for He has given us ‘signs’ to look for. U have read, for example, Matt24. But some ‘christians’ will be in darkness – specially pre-tribers.
Although in Jesus’ day no one knew the day and the hour and today we also don’t know for certain, someday soon the day will be known (but not the day AND the hour).
When the two witnesses appear in Jerusalem we will know the day. They should appear on Passover day and will be killed 3-½ years later just before the Second Coming. And since Jesus must return on the Feast of Trumpets to fulfill it, we can know the day exactly 3-½ years before it happens.
Jesus gave us signs so we would know when he returns and we are supposed to be ready for Him. Those who stick their heads in the sand and just say “No sense in looking for signs because no matter how hard we try, we will never know the day” are doing the Lord a great disservice.
Sorry, but all this is silly old worn out eschotology – get real – and updated!
I believe the Blood moons are not intended for Jews in Israel but for “JEWS IN AMERICA”. All these cries of “hoax” are going to be usurped by a supernatural event that will result is a mass exodus of all Jews from the West to the land of Palestine. Mark these words–blood moons over America are a signal of an “omen” to bring America to it’s knees!
Hello hrgreenjr. When I read your statement I was floored because I had an inner feeling that it was a bad omen for America, but I’m thinking that it cannot be true because this kind of thing is for Israel and the Jews. You solved the problem, it’s for Jews in America.! This strong inner feeling came upon me about 2 weeks ago and has never left me. Thank you for your post.
you may well be right….but all of america is in trouble, not just the jews…
but it also may cause the jews to leave.
The Christian Church is part of Israel, not just the Jews! The problem is the US is the most reprobate nation on the earth right now. I believe the Blood Moons were most definitely meant for America!
The most important thing to remember is Agape/philos for fellow man.
The greatest commandment.
Even those who might see the mark/idol of the beast coming, won’t be able to withstand it’s influence without agape/philos/love for fellow man.
Most will cave. Most will try to save themselves. One must be willing to DIE, for the law. The ultimate law is love for fellow man. It’s the only way we can show love for God.
Dan
Marianne (from above),
Jesus described the Lake of Fire which is probably just a symbol of death where the flesh and the spirit are consumed. While there may indeed be a real lake of fire like the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii, it will only be used during the Great White Throne Judgement. After that, only the righteous will be alive so the fire will no longer be needed.
He also referred to Gehenna, a trash dump outside Jerusalem which burned constantly at that time but has since been cleaned up. Many proponents of hell use the term “burning forever” to describe it but that was not the context Jesus was using when He mentioned it.
the lake of fire is another “event”
jesus did not indicate the only punishment would be 2000 years later…
@Jim Giordano
You are correct.
Dan
dan
you act like a perfect God does not believe in holy justice. and that the wicked should just get a slap on the wrist.
God is love but he is also holy…..no sin can stand before him, and no one who has NOT repented will come before him either…
so they go into hell for their rebellion…..this is their choice.
God’s idea of holy justice and our idea of holy justice likely differ. But that aside, Hell is anything separate from God.
Jesus was in hell while here on earth. He’s likely in “a” hell, separated from us.
It’s all perspective.
Everlasting conscious torment for evil perpetrated within a temporal period does not make sense. We know that Satan and hell are cast into to the “Lake of Fire” and destroyed. If God destroys Satan, how much more mercy will He show the lost?
Further, How would the saved resolve with themselves a reality where “lost sinners” were forever tortured? Makes no sense.
Dan
we have to go by what jesus said and what the bible says.
our perspective does not matter, it is what is written that matters.
I gave jim some reference where jesus referred to the firey hell that awaits sinners…go back and read them or google them yourself.
“Punishment” Is a concept of man. Corrective measures are a concept of a perfect God.
Dan
yes dan
It is man’s nature to assume he can get off easy with God.
before you re-define “perfect god”…..go read what God says he will do to the wicked when his wrath comes.
It is absolutely true that is in man’s nature to think that he can “get off easy” with God. The only “wiggle room” with God is the blood of Jesus.
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Sin always has consequence. Think not that I’m trying to re-define God. Just suggesting perspective.
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Get ready for a right-brain journey……………………………………..
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F’instance, God takes responsibility for everything, even to the extent of His death, for us! And why? To leave His blood testament; a concept long lost till recently. If His blood wasn’t required, His death would have been unnecessary.
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Why was His blood required? We now know what man should have long remembered, that His blood was required on the Mercy Seat. If we had remembered, we would have long known where the Ark bearing His blood was located. Whatever God intends, happens! Did it happen? Yes. Why did it happen? To leave an irrefutable message/testament[corrective measure], for us! Is the Ark now as before, under the crucifixion site? Simple deduction dictates the answer. Did Jesus know it was there before He was crucified? Simple deduction dictates the answer.
Interestingly, most Biblical commentary on the Ark of the Covenant states that the Ark is no longer important. Perspective. Some say it’s in “heaven”. Perspective. Some say it was destroyed. Perspective. Some say Ron Wyatt was crazy. Perspective. What does the King James Bible call the Ark of the Covenant in Revelation 11:19? The KJV refers to it as “The Ark of His Testament”. Big difference from 80% of other Bibles. Perspective. What Bible ya gonna believe?
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F’instance, did God harden Pharoh’s heart? No. Did God intend it to be hardened by virtue of allowing it? Yes! Did God try to soften Pharoh’s heart with plea’s and plagues[corrective measures]? Yes. Did God know the outcome? Yes. Did Pharoh have free choice? Yes. Was Pharoh pre-destined? No.
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F’instance, an everlasting physical, conscious, painfully torturous, hopeless punishing[non corrective] hell, while redeemed look on for eternity? Not likely.
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Can God “scare” or “threaten” anyone into heaven. Not so much.
Dan
we are talking about the fate of those who are not under the blood of jesus…they go to hell.
god is not permissive in his approach to sin.
jesus is not either…he requires repentance and a changed life.
Consider this,
If a person commits murder he is punished by life imprisonment or in some cases the death penalty.
But imagine if any state tried to pass a law where murderers or even just thieves were to be tortured horribly every day of the rest of their lives. Do you think that such a thing would ever become law in this country?
Certainly not. Such inhumane treatment would never be tolerated in any moral society.
So then how could a God of love be any less moral?
@Jim Giordano
Well said.
Perspective
Dan
you are trying to limit the holiness and morality of God.
man is corrupt….and you expect to compare the liberal, demented, corrupt, bribe taking justice system with the holiness of God?
God is holy…his standards are much higher than man’s
man’s justice system is so lenient that a murderer can get out of jail in as few a 5 -10 years….this is after “suffering” in a system with TV, recreation, and 3 meals a day…..
God is not lenient.
the bible says the penalty for sin is death……both body and soul will die
@Marianne
You said “the bible says the penalty for sin is death……both body and soul will die”
I think that a key to this discussion would be that “both the body and soul will die”.
It’s true that man’s justice is lenient, and we know why. But “why” is yet another discussion. The point is, we in the modern world don’t condone torture(or at least we didn’t before the Bush/Cheney/Obama era :[ )
Man cannot DO ENOUGH evil within a finite timeline to warrant eternal, conscious torture with no hope of a positive outcome. Therefore, the “hell” stereotype must be reconsidered. We know
that punishment rarely corrects, and more rarely deters. What purpose would “hell” serve if there were nothing more to deter, and nothing more to be corrected? Again, the conventional hell stereotype must be reconsidered, especially in light of the eventual death of the body and the soul
Dan
torture is not condoned because it is the affliction of pain on the innocent, or undeserving…..around the world, millions of christians are tortured for their faith, yet the world remains silent….if one terrorist is tortured, then there is an outcry…so our values are disturbed , and not in line with god
god created hell…and then described it.
it is so horrible and severe that only the blood of Jesus can pacify the Father in heaven….to prevent the soul from perishing in the torment.
hell is not to correct, but to destroy permanently….there is no escape
it is not a purgatory, or a jail sentence, where you eventually get out for good behavior.
it is only your opinion that man cannot do enough to merit an eternal hell….but god the father does not share your views.
we want to call hell a stereotype so we can imagine that it is not as bad as god says.
but it IS as bad as god says.
if you go to hell, you will never leave….it is a permanent sentence of destruction and torment….you do not pass through and then go to heaven later.
again the description is in the word of god…
put your flawed human logic and desire for an easy temporary hell aside, and read the word of God.
You just proved my point:
The penalty for sin is death……both body and soul will die.
The soul is not eternal and therefore it will not burn forever in hell or anywhere else.
The dead sleep until either the first or the second resurrection. The unrepentant wicked from the second resurrection are destroyed in the lake of fire.
Even Satan and “hell” are destroyed in the Lake of Fire.
Try googling “origins of hell” and you will discover there are all sorts of versions of hell and they all came from myths, never the bible.
Does the bible say that Satan is the God of this earth or the ruler of hell? Your concept of hell comes more from the writings of Dante than from God.
You take your preconceived notions and read them into the mistranslated words of Jesus and ignore the rest of the verses that properly describe what happens to the dead.
But you are in great company. Satan has had his way with the church for so long the truth has long since been forgotten.
You need to search for it again with an open mind, then come to the most logical conclusion.
It worked for me.
if you want a true definition of hell, then read the bible, and stop the googling of internet idiots, as you say
I go by the word of god,
your logic is flawed, and is not supported by the word of god.
the body dies anyhow…
the soul dies when it is separated from god, but the torment is everlasting.
@Jim Giordano
You are correct Sir. The stereotypical, accepted concept of a literal everlasting torturous hell(fire) imposed by God, is SERIOUSLY flawed, and is not what the word of God conveys.
Such an onerous concept of hell is a stumbling block towards higher understanding of God’s love which has no opposite.
God’s love is a system of attraction, not fear. As such, hell is not part of God’s ideal construct. Therefore, hell, along with death and wicked, are to be be destroyed.
I would seriously question “a God” that would allow for a literal, everlasting conscious torture.
Dan
@Marianne
Torture is NEVER valid, outcome based or otherwise. I’ll admit, that it’s tempting in some cases like child abduction, abuse, rape etc.(speaking as an old medic 😉 )
Did God really create hell? Or did He just take responsibility for it? The author of evil is Lucifer, and as such, hell is the natural result of Lucifer’s causation. God certainly knew about evil, but He did not speak hell into existence. Likely the only thing Satan DID create is hell.
Interestingly, God likely didn’t cause the flood. He took responsibility for it. The likely probability is that antediluvian man did something to cause the breakup of the earth. Part of the rationale for this is that if God were to destroy the World, He likely could have done it far more imaginatively than a flood. There are Biblical corollaries that support this.
Regarding blood sacrifices; killing of spotless animals was a “corrective measure”. Man was to “see”[feel] first hand, the pain of what sin causes. The Lord takes no pleasure is seeing such, neither does He savor the sweet “aroma”, as the Bible says. Likely Jesus had His hand on Adam’s when Adam slit the first lamb’s throat, and likely Jesus witnessed Adam cry in agony over such an act. Adam likely cried in agony over Abel’s death.
Blood is required as a corrective measure. Man lost sight of the meaning of the corrective measure of blood. This is evidenced by the massive sacrifices mentioned in the Bible that man thought pleased God. They didn’t, because God knew that the corrective measure of blood no longer worked. Hence the need for His Son to die. The necessity of His Son’s blood testament was needed as a powerful sign to a dying world. The significance of His death sacrifice and blood message will likely be studied for eternity. That blood message was for fallen AND UNFALLEN. The Ark bearing His last Blood Testament has more power than most conceive.
You are correct about no escape for the wicked. They made their choice. Unlike the thief on the Cross who chose to ask, the wicked will not ask, hence losing salvation.
With regard to everlasting torment; if the body and soul are dead, who’s there to experience the torment? Kind of a variation on the theme of, “if a tree falls in the woods and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound”?
Regarding my “opinion” about everlasting hell being an unfair “punishment” for finite wickedness, such opinion is based on rational logic; albeit man’s flawed logic(mine). Nevertheless, Divinely imposed eternal hell(as opposed to ordained) is illogical. The existing hell stereotype was imposed by the Beast/Roman Catholicism. Likely inherited from Semiramis. Therefore, we must reconsider the pre-existing stereotypical notion of what hell “is”(I’m not playing Bill Clinton word games with “is”)
The Bible is clear that death and hell are cast into the lake of fire with Satan and the beast and the false prophet. We know that there have been many Popes[false prophets]. So does that mean that all the Popes will be thrown in the lake of fire? Or just the false prophet office? It can safely be presumed that the beast is the mystery religion of Babylon/Rome et.al. Satan, the father of lies is what he is. So, given that the Bible is full of metaphor and allegory, could the Lake of Fire be the consuming fire of Sin?
Rev 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” Does hell continue on after this?
Rev 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Does hell continue on after this? Unlikely
Dan
the blood of jesus was more than a corrective measure…. it satisfied the demand of god for death due to sin. it was the ONLY thing that did….
jesus was pure and sinnless so only HIS sacrifice counted to remove everlasting punishment due to sin.
hell exists, and the lake of fire ends it all… hell is the torment..and the lake of fire incorporates it at the end and makes it worse.
this is not stereotyping..or symbolism or allegory….this is the word of god
the soul is dead as far as eternal life goes, but it will still suffer in hell
if you believe hell is just a temporary place, that is not so bad, then consider going there and see how things turn out
I’m already there
Dan
we talked off line……this is just an academic discussion..
I would not wish this on anyone
I wish you love and healing.
🙂
🙂
Amen.
To those out there who are blessed with a sense of logic, think about this:
The Jews have no concept of hell. They believe that when you die you sleep in an unconscious state until the messiah comes to resurrect them. The word “sheol” refers to the grave or the resting place for the dead. It appears throughout the Torah and the Jewish version of the Old Testament.
Then comes the Christian bible. In the Christian Old Testament the word sheol has been retranslated from grave to hell in about half the cases. Something is rotten in Denmark here.
Clearly someone was trying to rewrite the bible to add new church doctrine. And remember, this is the same church that removed the second commandment from the bible. Now if they were so brazen to delete one of God’s laws, it should not be surprising that they would retranslate a word to suit their nefarious ends.
Even in the New Testament, the greek word for grave, Hades, is translated as hell about half the time. Now that should really raise a red flag. Any church that just up and changes the word of God, for any reason, should not be trusted blindly when it comes to curious “new” doctrines.
And remember that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. If there was no such thing as hell for the first four millennia, why would He completely change His policy on death just because His son was born? Was it a birthday present for Jesus?
And surely, if He did make such a huge change in policy He would have had Jesus describe these changes in great detail in at least a couple of sermons, right? But all we get are a few verses where the word hell has replaced the grave or a reference to the burning garbage dump outside of town. Not a single description of the place or an explanation of why God completely changed what happens when you die.
When you consider the source of hell – the medieval Catholic church which added so much pagan trash to Christianity, such as confession, communion, purgatory, indulgences, graven images, Mary worship, sainthoods, Saturnalia (Christmas) Ishtar (Easter) and dozens more, why would you just take their word on such a thing?
I grew up catholic so I believed in all the doctrine for half my life. But when I began studying scripture and history the truth became clear to me. As a Catholic I read from my Daily Missile and the catechism only. I never read a bible until I was over forty. And being into science and engineering I don’t trust things that just don’t add up right.
And there is a lot of catholic doctrine that doesn’t add up. And since the Catholic church is the great whore of Babylon and will receive the wrath of God in the tribulation, you better believe I’m not going to trust anything they say without checking it out first.
Turns out most of their theology is simply made up for their own purposes.
SO BE CAREFUL IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.
Just because you’ve believed in something all your life doesn’t mean it’s true.
I guess jesus did not save us from anything then. poor guy. he wasted his time.
he thought he was saving us from hell when all he was doing was saving us from sleep.
jews don’t believe in jesus either
Jesus died for our sins in order that we might have eternal life. The rest will die in the Lake of Fire.
Eternal life, or death, those are the choices.
And let me ask you this; where do you think someone like Ghandi is right now? He did not die in Christ, so is he burning in hell right now? The same must be true for anyone who did not claim Jesus as their savior, right. Billions of otherwise good people.
If the choice is either heaven or hell, surely these pagans can not enter heaven. Somehow that just seems unfair, and my God is a just God so I just can’t imagine all that torture to otherwise decent human beings. I can’t even imagine the mind that could think up such a thing. Satan maybe. Or a church controlled by Satan.
But a God of love?
Never.
a god of love is also a god of terrible wrath.
ghandi is in hell.
So where is King David? He never knew Christ so where is he now?
he is considered saved, as he believed in the promises of the messiah…so he is in heaven now…
jesus took all the old testament saints to heaven with him
same goes for abraham…
OK, Explain this:
The Bible compares death to sleep more than fifty times. When we are asleep, we are unconscious; we are not aware of the passing of time or of what is going on around us. That is what death is like as well. The Bible says, “for the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing… their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, NKJV, see also Psalm 146:4; 115:17). It makes sense that after Lazarus was raised from the dead, he doesn’t share what he saw or experienced. He didn’t have anything to tell, except that once he was dead, and now he is alive! He didn’t experience hell or heaven. He was simply “sleeping” in his tomb. Peter on the Day of Pentecost said the same of King David. “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day…For David did not ascend into the heavens…(Acts 2:29, 34).
Looks like the bible contradicts what you thought was true.
this was BEFORE the resurrection of Jesus…..
they “slept” until Jesus descended into “hell” or the place of sleep and gathered them up who were righteous…and took them to heaven during the 3 days he was “dead”
look at story of lazarous and rich man…there was a good side to hell and a bad side…..those with father abraham were safely waiting for messiah…
this area was emptied of the righteous, and now all of hell is bad…
The book of Acts was written well after the resurrection. The apostles never taught that if you believe in Jesus when you die you will go directly to heaven. Jesus taught over and over that the dead sleep until the resurrection. Same as every other Old Testament writer. And Jesus did not descend into “hell” for 3 days. He was three days in the grave or tomb. Why would Jesus, of all people, be sent to hell for 3 days to suffer even worse torment than what the romans gave him? The reason is that the apostate pagan church substituted the word hell for grave in an attempt to fool gullible and uninformed worshippers into believing they had better attend mass every Sunday or else they will be punished for eternity. And it worked. It has fooled even the very elect.
The story you refer to was a parable and not literal.
Your explanation sounds like purgatory and the power of indulgences than what Jesus was trying to teach.
And as for the wrath of God, you will notice that it is always directed toward His people who disobeyed His laws, not other religions.
Too many Christians today think the terrible day of the lord which is to come is all about God’s wrath against other religions that differ from His own. But the truth is that it will be against all the Christian churches that pretend to be His but in fact are more from Satan than from God.
Ask not for whom the bell toll, it tolls for thee.
it is useless to discuss this with you…. you don’t know the bible well enough to relate to what I say
jesus makes it clear that there are 2 compartments in hell….there was abrahams’ side and the bad side.
see below…….column is too narrow
@Jim Giordano,
Brilliant exposition about the “hell” concept. You are spot on.
You said, “Just because you’ve believed in something all your life doesn’t mean it’s true”. I LOVE this line. I’m going to use it.
All, to a greater of lesser degree, have been taught what and how to believe. Far fewer have been taught how to THINK.
Dan
Excellent commentary by Jim and in my opinion, he’s right.
Al,
Considering who is in the White House, riding out to conquer in 2009 and given a crown (prize) for peace, along with the Masonic symbolism and occult practices within the nation – I think you are right. Seal 4 might be about to open with the symbol of a Trident.
how did you mange to skip over the war and famine seals?
those are not here yet, although it is on the horizon
Seal 1 through 3 are open.
It is challenging to help folks see what is in plain sight. But, I’ll try.
Seal 1 is all about Barry’s riding out on a white horse.
Seal 2 is revolt/rebellion within the region (KJ “earth” – Strong’s gives the complete definition). It is Arab Spring – the Brotherhood, beginning December, 2010 in Tunisia and spreading throughout the region.
Seal 3 is economic/inflation issues within the region, spreading from Greece around to Libya. But, Israel is not harmed (oil/wine).
If the first 3 seals opening were obvious – then the virgins would be awake. Revival would break out while evangelicals would be doing appropriate workshops, programs and seminars. They are asleep and don’t know, do they?
The virgins awaken closer to the time of the Great Tribulation, which is about the time of the 4th seal. It is during seals 4-6 when they struggle to find oil for their vessel, going out into the darkness. By the 7th seal – it’s all about compete and everyone knows what comes next.
It is not wise to walk in darkness but remain with the company of Believers within the house, waiting for Him.
“Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast” (Isaiah 26:20).
BTW. Found this bit of detail information today, confirming the depth of the darkness (blindness) covering the US and the world.
Seems the World Trade Center Plaza (including the former Twin Towers and newly completed Tower) are filled with Islamic symbolism.
“Minoru Yamasaki [architect] received the World Trade Center commission the year after the Dhahran Airport was completed. Yamasaki described its [WT Center] plaza as ‘a mecca, a great relief from the narrow streets and sidewalks of the surrounding Wall Street area.’
True to his word, Yamasaki replicated the plan of Mecca’s courtyard by creating a vast delineated square, isolated from the city’s bustle by low colonnaded structures and capped by two enormous, perfectly square towers—minarets, really.
Yamasaki’s courtyard mimicked Mecca’s assemblage of holy sites—the Qa’ba (a cube) containing the sacred stone, what some believe is the burial site of Hagar and Ishmael, and the holy spring—by including several sculptural features, including a fountain, and he anchored the composition in a radial circular pattern, similar to Mecca’s…
At the base of the towers, Yamasaki used implied pointed arches—derived from the characteristically pointed arches of Islam—as a transition between the wide column spacing below and the dense structural mesh above. (Europe imported pointed arches from Islam during the Middle Ages, and so non-Muslims have come to think of them as innovations of the Gothic period.)
Above soared the pure geometry of the towers, swathed in a shimmering skin, which doubled as a structural web—a giant truss. Here Yamasaki was following the Islamic tradition of wrapping a powerful geometric form in a dense filigree, as in the inlaid marble pattern work of the Taj Mahal or the ornate carvings of the courtyard and domes of the Alhambra.
The shimmering filigree is the mark of the holy. According to Oleg Grabar, the great American scholar of Islamic art and architecture, the dense filigree of complex geometries alludes to a higher spiritual reality in Islam, and the shimmering quality of Islamic patterning relates to the veil that wraps the Qa’ba at Mecca. After the attack, Grabar spoke of how these towers related to the architecture of Islam, where ‘the entire surface is meaningful” and “every part is both construction and ornament.’
A number of designers from the Middle East agreed, describing the entire façade as a giant “mashrabiya,” the tracery that fills the windows of mosques” (The Mosque to Commerce, by Laurie Kerr).
Seems the public was not aware of the symbolism built within the Twin Tower Plaza and what occurred on 9/11, the symbolism in the replacement Tower or much of anything – because they are either blind, asleep or distracted by corporate/pop news, entertainment/sports and alien invasion or other distractions. John 16:12-15 applies.
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/08/110-111/
Blessings
Psalm 23:1-3
I would think that seals 2 and 3 are more global events, not small isolated conflicts and temp issues.
Like I said, “I’ll try”.
Now, the producer of this video is probably not a Believer or a Christian but it is valuable to understanding how Satan influences cultures with “false religion” and worldly wisdom (Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman and Masonic included).
He explains the representations of “twin towers” in various religions. We need to understand that religions of the world mimic or attempt to replace the relationship man and God as we read in Scriptures.
Bottom-line: the world today is much like the days of Noah. The next seals are required to purge the earth of wickedness.
Having experienced deliverance, I can tell you that it can be painful. The pain I experienced was at a micro level, removing demonic oppression from my flesh.
This pain will be replicated at a maco level (world) with the next seals opening. I expect it to be a very painful time but shortened only for the sake of the elect.
The magick he describes within this video is not of God. So, don’t believe in magick but in Jesus Christ.
Blessings
Psalm 27
Marianne,
If the first 3 seals opening were obvious – then the virgins would be awake. Revival would break out (seeking oil for their vessel), while evangelicals would be holding appropriate programs and seminars in each denominational setting for their members.
The virgins are asleep and don’t know, do they?
Seals 1-3 are open:
The sign in the heavens (Rev. 12:1-5) was above us on Feasts of Trumpets, 2011).
Jubilee begins 2017. We just don’t know the day or hour.
Blood moons are occurring – did you miss it?
Are you trying to extend dialogue or are you serious?
The virgins awaken closer to the time of the Great Tribulation, which is about the time of the 4th seal. It is during seals 4-6 when they struggle to find oil for their vessel, going out into the darkness. By the 7th seal – it’s all about compete and everyone knows what comes next.”
BTW
It is obvious that NYC is the great city referenced in Revelation 18 too. But, most do not recognize this or don’t care to investigate or keep looking once it becomes obvious. Why keep looking or assuming there is another “great city”?
More information behind the symbolism of the World Trade Center (“O Babylon, O city of power” as we read in Rev. 18:10, NiV).
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/31/freedom-tower/
Blessings
Psalm 25
yes i am serious….I understand and respect your view, but I don’t think those small events are the big seals described in rev 6
Small events?
Ha.
I’ll restrain my self.
Please, keep the dialogue going and going.
Here is an interesting observation by the producer of “Secrets In Plain Sight” (who does not seem to be a professing Christian).
“How buildings [Twin Towers] turned to dust before our eyes and why many still can’t put two and two together is astounding. The War on Terror/Terra is literally a War On Consciousness. It has largely shut down critical thinking in large numbers of people.”
How true.
“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness” (2 Thess 2:11-12, NKJV).
Blessings
Psalm 27
I am willing and interested to see how your viewpoint turns out.
so the next few years should give us the answers
I still think the lie is still to come. Jesus said it will be like during the time of Noah for his return.
Geneses Ch. 6, and Numbers Ch. 13 tell us about the fallen Angels, and their offspring the Niphilim. I think we will see a false Christ return from Old Knob. The lie that misleads even the elect.
@Leatherneck,
Apparently, the original Hebrew word for “son’s” in context of Genesis 6:1-4 was Nephalim. Nephal may be a root of Nephalim.
Nephalim can mean giant, or lier, or [the]fallen… This kid of changes things regarding Genesis 6,1-4
Chuck Missler has something to say about this.
Anyway, Strange things were happening before the flood
Dan
word for son is “ben”
nephal is giant….
the giants were the sons of the fallen ones…just so that is clear
@Marianne
True.
I’m not sure that I understand all of the inferences of of the word Nephalim in the Hebrew context.
I haven’t researched this to the extent that I’d like. Likely won’t have time. Things happening too quickly
Dan
It’s now likely that only the sixth and seventh seals remain unopened
Dan
Here is what Revelation says about the seals:
Estimates of end times deaths are based on the assumption that 1/4 of the world’s population will die during the seal judgments. This comes from an interpretation of Rev. 6:8 where Death and Hades are given power over 1/4th of the earth to kill by the sword, famine, plague, and wild beasts. If 1/4th of the Earth refers to the population count, that leaves 3/4ths of the population still alive at the end of the Seal Judgments.
Then come the Trumpet judgments. In Rev. 9:15 the four angels of the Euphrates are released to kill 1/3rd of the remaining population. If you know your fractions, you know that 1/3 of 3/4ths is 1/4th. 1/4th (Seals) plus 1/4th (Trumpets) equals 1/2. Therefore between the Seal and Trumpet judgments 1/2 of the population alive at the beginning of the seals will have died before the Great Tribulation even begins. We’re not told how many die during the Bowl judgments, but certainly there will be many more.
So how does the Arab spring fit these descriptions? First of all the Book of Revelation is about Christianity, and a few uprisings in Muslim countries are of no concern to God.
Secondly, the events of the Arab spring in no way qualify as “biblical proportions.”
Thirdly, if the 70th week started in 2009, the antichrist should be in control of the world by this time and the mark of the beast should be in effect by now. I don’t see any of this having happened or even about to happen.
According to Daniel the King of the North should have attacked the King of the South by now and a 200 million man army should be ready to come across the river Euphrates.
And then where are the 2 witnesses? Not enough time left for them to preach for 3-½ years.
I’m afraid you have invested so much time and effort into your theory that you are now grasping at straws to find any sort of events to act as proof, while ignoring 90% of scripture.
So exactly what do you expect to happen next? Or can’t you say until it has already happened? I’ll bet in 2009 you weren’t expecting the Arab spring, were you? So care to go out on a limb and predict something that will happen in the near future? You seem to be about the only person on earth who has this idea so the rest of us can only count on you to tell us what signs to look for, seeing as we missed so many of them already when they were right in front of us.
I know the Book of Revelation was not written just for you and a few others so you will have to explain the rest of it to all of us who might be a bit skeptical and simply too dumb to have figured it out by this time.
Thanks.
James,
You wrote, “Therefore between the Seal and Trumpet judgments 1/2 of the population alive at the beginning of the seals will have died before the Great Tribulation even begins.”
Try this approach – seal 4 opens, then what takes place? Hummmm?
There is no body count ongoing since Seal 1 opened through Seal 2 (Arab Spring). Many have died in that rebellion within the region.
The international death toll begins once the Great Tribulation begins and the plagues begin. By the way – the first plague is in one hour. How many will die in that one hour within metro NYC?
More later – time for work.
Blessings
Psalm 23
Matthew describes the first seals this way:
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
The second seal is a world war. The Arab nations revolted against dictators, not each other.
This war is nuclear – flesh will melt off the bones. This is followed by inevitable famine – the earth is nuked – nothing will grow. People die in the streets and the rotting bodies cause dysentery and a host of other diseases which take out half the worlds population.
These events will be of biblical proportions, worthy of mention. The Arab spring barely moves the needle on the war meter. Even WW2 barely makes a blip.
Unfortunately for you, you’re on a strict timetable and now time is running out. I will follow your predictions but I’m not expecting much to happen between now and the endpoint of your interpretation in 2016.
Keep us posted.
James – read the text (seals of Revelation) with Greek word definitions.
You still need help with the hell topic?
James, I will keep you posted as long as we have access to the Internet.
Should the internet fail us (one way or the other) and you are alive (not in hell of course), able to see the destruction of NYC,
I am sure you would say that was not “Babylon” but something else to fit your paradigm.
Now – I must be going.
So you think God is going to destroy NYC (as Babylon)? So what do you see as the 2 beasts and the woman who rides the second one? And who is the False Prophet, the mayor?
Your story is too bizarre for me. I need more details before it will make any sense to me.
mystery babylon is a city that rides the beast….islam….which hates her and destroys her. false prophet may be the pope, since he is in bed with muslims already
The false prophet, one of the three in the false Trinity, brings fire down from heaven as to deceive the masses. A false messiah in Israel causing the Jews to worship the beast and his image might do the trick.
The Jews, I don’t think, will follow a pagan the pagan religion that the Pope belongs to.
jim
eph 4 he descended:
7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it[a] says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”[b]
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 1
1 peter 4: he preached to the dead while he was descended
6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
so jesus was NOT sleeping when he descended into the lower regions, if that is a better term than hell….they were not sleeping either if they heard the gospel
1 peter 3
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—
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if you believe the wrath of god is oNLY directed toward the believers you are completely wrong.
the righteous are not appointed unto wrath…
the OT is full of examples of the wrath of god against the enemies of Israel…
israel was punished,
but the enemies received wrath….
the book of revelation talks about how all the nations of the earth will be judged…it does NOT say this is reserved for the church
the wrath is for the wicked
https://www.raptureready.com/resource/stanton/k2.htm
So if everyone who has ever lived has been sent to heaven and hell, who will be resurrected when Christ returns and then again at the end of the millennium? And what is the Great White Throne Judgement for? If everyone is judged at death and sent to heaven or hell, there will be no one left to resurrect or judge.
Peter never claimed that Jesus preached to the dead. The term, “the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead“ means that the gospel was preached to live people who at the time of this writing had been executed.
From Matthew Henry’s From Matthew Henry’s bible commentary:
“The gospel had been preached to those since dead, who by the proud and carnal judgment of wicked men were condemned as evil-doers, some even suffering death. But being quickened to Divine life by the Holy Spirit, they lived to God as his devoted servants. Let not believers care, though the world scorns and reproaches them.“
As usual as you often do you have taken verses out of context and changed their original meaning.
And what pagan cities were destroyed by God in the Old Testament? Sodom and Gomorrah were God’s people. Noah’s unfortunate neighbors were also God’s people. The only example I can think of is Egypt but they were enslaving God’s people so God’s actions were to protect his people, but guess what, shortly afterwards he punished them all by making them wander in the desert for 40 years. But he has never simply destroyed a city or country simply because they were pagan. It wasn’t until the paganism got into His church that He talks about destruction.
Does anyone here actually believe He will tolerate pagan holidays and rituals in His millennial church? Will He allow 99% of Christians to use Sunday as the lord’s day? He won’t even be listening. Break the commandment and suffer the plagues.
After Christ returns no one will believe in hell or Christmas or Easter or wear crucifixes and dozens of other things. It will all be destroyed
before He arrives.
You can bank on it.
Sodom was never god’s people.
he body is resurrected to join the spirit
read again…whole empires were destroyed
You never explained what all the attention to 2 resurrections:
Though we may die, Jesus says, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.” (John 11:25). We will receive immortality when Jesus comes again (see 1 Corinthians 15:51-54). The Bible says that all those who have died—both righteous and wicked—will be raised to life in one of two resurrections. The righteous will be raised to life at Jesus’ second coming. “ For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16, NKJV). According to this verse, the righteous do not to go heaven when they die. They remain asleep in the grave until Jesus returns and raises them to immortal life (see 1 Corinthians 15:50-57).
The wicked are raised to life in a separate resurrection—the resurrection of condemnation. Jesus said, “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” (John 5:28, 29, NKJV).
The prophets never mention in the Bible that the righteous immediately go to heaven or the wicked go to hell when they die. Neither did Jesus and His apostles teach it. When Jesus was about to leave His disciples, He did not tell them they would soon come to Him. “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.” (John 14:1-3, NKJV).
When He returns, our loved ones asleep in Christ will awake from their tombs. No matter how long the time has passed, be it long or short, will be but a moment to them. By the trump of God, they are called forth from their deep slumber they will begin to think just where they ceased, awakening to a glorious immortality.
The dead are resurrected from their graves, not bussed in from heaven or hell. You can’t have any resurrection if everyone never dies but just gets relocated.
Your argument is illogical and therefore cannot be true.
you can believe that if you want.
logic here is subjective
there have also been many life after death experiences where the person visits heaven after death and comes back to tell the story..they are not asleep but very alive….
you most likely don’t believe them either..but that is ok….we will all find out soon…
Logic is never subjective. Try taking a class in it. There are rules in logic and they are fixed and not up for debate.
As for NDE’s consider this: Christians report seeing Jesus when they “die” but Hindus report seeing Krishna and Buddhists report seeing Buddha, so who is correct? Or is it just the unconscious mind creating a dream state?
You’re the scientist here.
But don’t let scientific proofs interfere with your life-long beliefs.
when logic is flawed it becomes subjective.
so you are saying that jesus is krishna?
who the “dead” meet at death would logically vary…
http://www.near-death.com/hindu.html
in this link, hindus are taken by dark negative figures…..well that would make sense…
dark forces have them instead of divine ones.
they are lucky they were revived.. maybe they will have a chance at being saved
You just said that Hindus go to hell, like Ghandi. But none have ever reported going to the hell of the bible. That is illogical. They report seeing their God in paradise surrounded by all their lost loved ones. Even atheists don’t say they went to heaven nor hell simply because they don’t believe in either of them.
Youclearly don’t understand the rules of logic… You say that people either go to heaven or hell, then you say it is logical that their experiences should vary. But that is illogical – their experiences should all be the same. And how come no one has reported seeing hell? Even criminals have said they saw Jesus in heaven when they clearly should have gone to hell. The fact that no one anywhere on earth has claimed to have visited hell should be proof enough that it doesn’t exist. And any variation other than heaven or hell tell me that each person see only what their subconscious minds want them to see.
In any case I’m not basing my theology on what some dead guy says he saw.
they did not see hell in the LAD experiences because they were lucky…..and should be grateful…..when they die for good, they will see it
Lucky? Really? God sent them to some alternate waiting place? Maybe it was purgatory. Maybe the Catholics really have something there.
And how come God can predict the future 4000 years ahead yet He can’t predict that a person will be resuscitated in five minutes. Come on, have more respect for the Lord. This whole NDE concept is seriously messed up. Believe in the dreams of dead people if you want but I’m not fooled one bit.
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The pagan holiday of blood known as the Arab spring. Is region 4 of the WTO coming on line with one central bank, and one coin. Inside region 4 the weight of the cross is very heavy.
The world system wants that region 4 on line PDQ. I think the Ukraine crisis is in response to Russian not helping in Syria. American tax payer monies is being used to help the Muslim Brotherhood in the old Caliphate. In return for helping the enemies of Israel grow stronger, expect more storms, and earthquakes out the wazzoo for America and the rest of the world.
Jim
both those who have converted to Christianity, and those that don’t , have described meeting other worldly beings that either gave them a feeling of foreboding or joy.
not every NDE brings the person to what would be a final eternal destination for them.
there are some positive ones, for example, where people meet Christ or some heavenly angel, but do not see heaven
the same thing applies to negative ones….people can just meet the death angel, or another negative being, and realize that not all is well….they do not go to “purgatory” or hell…..
what makes the negative ones lucky is that they did not really stay dead, and end up in hell
So they don’t actually go to heaven nor hell, they just meet characters who represent those places? Is this God’s doing and if so what is his purpose?
So where did they go? Did they get a spirit body so that they could see and hear in that location?
There is no way to explain every instance of NDE as the intentional work of God. You could conjure up a complex convoluted set of scenarios to explain it but it would all be just conjecture on your part with no biblical proof whatsoever.
It reminds me of all the various crazy YouTube videos you used to post showing proof of planet Nibiru. Dozens of different locations all at the same time, and what do you have to show for all your expectations? Nothing. Which is exactly what the bible does say agog the dead – they know nothing. It is all over the bible yet not a single description of hell… where is it? What is in there? How are the wicked tortured exactly? Just the heat? Its probably a dry heat so maybe it is simply uncomfortable – like living here in southern California in the summer without air conditioning. All you know of hell are from books, paintings or movies. The bible never describes it. It only uses the word and even that is a translation error based on a satanic scheme to defraud the public which is well documented in any decent history book.
I tell you what. I’ll believe in hell when Nibiru shows up in the sky for all to see.
But that won’t happen till hell freezes over.
this is what is reported.
why don’t you ask God all these questions?
I don’t think God has anything to do with it.
wow. who is your god?
my god is involved with everything that happens
My God allows free will and is not a puppet master.
god is sovereign in what he allows…both good and evil.
all is in his divine overall plan, don’t you think?
God doesn’t control every drop of rain. He seems to allow an awful amount of evil, doesn’t he? Is he the source behind the evil or is man? If he controls everything then he is controlling what I’m writing now. But then he would have to also control what you are writing so that would make him inconsistent. With all the good and evil going on there is no way the same person is the author of all of it. That would be illogical. The only logical explanation is the we have free will but God already knows what we are going to do with that free will, but the choice is always our own.
God can allow something without being the author of it
It’s all very simple.
Rev. 6.12 says 3 things happen IN ORDER before the Tribulation starts (8.7). The first rapture according to readiness (partial rapture – Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) “before the throne” (7.9) in 3rd heaven would be Feast of Trumpets Sept. 26, 2022 (see below) then follows the 7 year Tribulation.
1) Great earthquake. Haiti 2010 320,000 died. Japan 2011 was the 4th greatest in magnitude anywhere on earth in human record. Back to back, year over year, this has never happened before in the history of the human race. It may never happen again!
2) A very unique solar eclipse – black sackcloth sun. There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid about 5% of the time. Then there are 3 kinds of hybrids. The H3 is the rarest which is 5% of that 5%. As it turns out the 4th long H3 since Christ was Nov. 3, 2013. Wow! It won’t happen again till 2172.
3) A very unique red blood moon. The rarest of all red blood moons is not just the Tetrad but the feast Tetrad. The 8th feast Tetrad since Christ is 2014/15. It won’t happen again till 2582/83 nearly 600 years. And it has no unique solar eclipse attached to it so it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know Rev. 6.12 is specifically talking about the 2010-2015 period soon before Jesus returns. The 2014/15 Tetrad specifically indicates the beginning of construction of the 3rd Temple since the 6th Tetrad indicated Israel a nation again, and the 7th Tetrad when Israel would take over Jerusalem.
What then is the sign of the Son of Man in Matt. 24.30? It is the rarest of all rare events. Never in human record has this ever happened before. Apophis asteroid, about 3 football fields in length, will fly within satellite distance of earth Apr. 13, 2029. This has never happened before of such size and closeness to earth.
There is a 7 year preparatory period for 2,520 days (7 x 360 and the smallest number divisible from 2 to 10 as Daniel’s basic prophet working unit and the final seven — the 70th seven) from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B’Av Aug. 7, 2022 when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. Then follows the 2,520 days (plus 30 days more for the 1290th day of the Great Trib) from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 26, 2022 to Day of Atonement Sept. 19, 2029.
So simple so nobody is without excuse.
This is my very personal opinion, 1- Nowhere in scripture I can find that the tribulation period consists of 7 years, 2- The quake in Haiti was strong but the amount of casualties was due mostly to poor construction methods, 3- I think that the darkening of the sun will be caused by volcanic eruptions, several events triggered by a mega earthquake, way stronger that anything we’ve seen in history, who knows, maybe caused by an asteroid hitting the planet. My problem with tetras and all eclipses is that they are no seeing everywhere but only in very small areas, so the prophecy would be limited to a very small number of witnesses.
i agree…. 🙂
I find it compelling that “Blood moon tetrad” is proximal to such a sudden sharp rise in global methane expulsion, along with predicted near term total life extinction by as early as 2030.
If what some climate scientists predict is true, it’s game over.
Dr. Guy McPherson
Dr. Natalia Shakhova
God sees the number deaths which was 320,000 in Haiti 2010, the 2nd most deaths of any earthquake anywhere on earth in recorded history. Truly a “great earthquake” (Rev. 6.12). If there was any doubt which there shouldn’t be it is followed up with an earthquake 9.0 in Japan the 4th greatest magnitude anywhere on the planet in recorded history. And so this begins the 3 events in Rev. 6.12 before the 7 year Tribulation starts. The solar eclipse Nov. 3, 2013 was a long Hybrid H3, the 4th since Christ. It won’t happen again till 2172. There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses, the rarest is the hybrid about 5% of the time. There are 3 kinds of hybrids, and the rarest is the H3 5% of that 5%. And now the feast Tetrad 2014/15 which won’t happen again till 2582/83; furthermore, we know it has no unique solar eclipse attached to it. And thank God it won’t have an earthquake like we had in 2010 and 2011 which were devastating. That was potentially the worse nuclear disaster in history because they keep leaking tones of radiated water every day even to this very day.
The cloud cover is at the end of the Tribulation not so much unlike when Christ died on the cross. This could have various contributing factors all at once. Whereas the events prior to the Tribulation are these 3 events in Rev. 6.12. I have gone on record saying I believe because the 3rd Temple won’t be completed in time and the implant under the skin to buy and sell won’t be pervasive enough yet that there is a 7 year preparatory period that lasts 2,520 (7×360) days from Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets to Aug. 7, 2022 Tisha B’Av when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. Then follows the 7 year Tribulation which is 1260+1290 (1260+30) from Sept. 26, 2022 Feast of Trumpets to Day of Atonement Sept. 19, 2029. April 13, 2029 is asteroid Apophis as the sign of the Son of Man (Matt. 24.30) about 3 football fields in length and comes within satellite distance of earth which could hurt communications. The 4th feast total red blood moon in 2015 is considered a Super Lunar Eclipse because it can be seen from Israel, it is at perigee, and it’s a Shmita year. To doubt this because the moon can’t be seen over all the planet at the same time seems to be disingenuous. That’s physically impossible so a nonsense suggestion.
“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven: and in the midst of the seven he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate” (Dan. 9.27). “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)” (Matt. 24.15) “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God” (2 Thess. 2.4). “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months” (Rev. 13.5), “but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months” (11.2). The first four trumpets in Rev. 8 are the first forty-two months followed by the 3 woes of the Great Tribulation which are the last 3 trumpets. “And to the woman (Israel) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent” (Rev. 12.14). All of Daniel’s sevens were 2,520 days each (7×360). So is the last one and when it ends “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy” (Dan. 9.24). This has not happened yet.
troy
very possible what you are saying about the timing of the tribulation…not occurring until after the last week. they way things look now, there is no temple, so nothing can happen until that is built.
also if jesus left in 30 AD then 2000 years from that is 2030, approximately, and the last week would occur before his return.
both the tribulation and the wrath of God have to occur….right now, not enough has happened to make 2017 the start of the tribulation….although there is “plenty wrong” with the world right now, and each year it will get worse.
with that in mind, there is already an antichrist spirit present in the world, famines and pestilances, and martrydom, especially in syria, north korea, Iraq, so to millions, their tribulation has started, and they will not be here when the greater tribulation comes for the world.
also america is still around protecting Israel, and america has to fall first, and abandon Israel, so that the attacks predicted can occur. with the current president, I can see that happening soon, maybe in the next year.
it is a thought that Israel has to return to the land for 70 years before the final week starts….time for the jews to gather there…jews are still returning…if america falls, then the american jews will return also….once they are all gathered, then 2017-18 ( end of 70 years) + 7 = 2024-5, then another 7 years = 2031
Wow, Marianne, I’ve been touting 2031 for years now and everyone thought I was nuts. However, your logic in getting there is highly flawed as there is no 70th week of Daniel to be completed.
And you are finally realizing that there is too much that must still happen for an early date like 2017 or even 2020 and later.
Believe me, all these theories will soon fall by the wayside and everyone will be scrambling for something else.
Even you will have to give up on Nibiru eventually, among other ideas. Slowly but surely you will narrow in on the truth.
Or maybe you will be left dazed and confused all the way till the second coming…
🙂
I consider diffferent dates but will not know until it happens.
i read revelation 6 and do not see any of that yet, at least globally
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This blood moon tetrad seems to be becoming more significant.
Shalom! The fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel will occur on Sukkot, 2015. The 6th Seal is not this event. There are More than one time the Moon and Sun are stricken.
The 6th Seal, which occurs before the middle of the Week, is the casting out of Satan from heaven by Michael.
Do the scriptures specifically teach that the solar and lunar eclipses occur at exactly the same time. What I read is that the sun will turn black first and then the blood moon. Both Acts 2 and Joel 2 say the same thing “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and notable day of the Lord come” This means BEFORE the Great Tribulation, Day of the Lord is time of God’s wrath.
Matthew 24 is talking about supernatural events in the heavenlies AT THE END of the Wrath “Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken”
Next year, there will be a partial solar eclipse on the first day of the feast of trumpets and a blood moon (seen in Jerusalem) at the start of the feast of tabernacles.
How do I know the second event is supernatural? Well, the next blood moons are not expected for another 500 years after next year. Even if the Great Tribulation started today the seven years could not finish in 2015., so the second event MUST be supernatural.
I wrote an article on this whole subject. Please take a look. It is on:
http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/god-is-now-sending-us-last-warning-that.html
John,
Nothing about these or any other eclipses are supernatural. They were predicted by the Mayans and even the system built into Stonehenge predicted them. In order to be supernatural, they would have to occur at a time that was not predictable by science. So for you to be correct the next eclipse would have to occur at a time different than what is currently predicted, and I seriously doubt that will happen.
By the way, blood moves occur every time there is a lunar eclipse. They may not happen on Jewish holidays all that often, but they are a common occurrence. As far as being a sign of the second coming the fact that they are happening shortly before Christ returns could be taken as a sign. But they are not one of the supernatural events predicted in the book of Revelation.
I don’t understand why if the seven years could not finish in 2015 how that proves the last lunar eclipse must be supernatural. Sorry but I couldn’t open the link you provided so I’m only going by what you said above. But even if I read it I still wouldn’t believe it. 🙂
Hi Jim
What I said that was the Bible prophesies an event at the beginning of the 7 years AND at the end of the 7 years. I will show the scriptures that make that point. The ones at the beginning will probably be natural events, although it MUST be accompanied (at some stage) by falling stars. The second event is at the end of the Tribulation and will be MUCH MORE dramatic. The first one MIGHT be next year. The first 3 blood moons could be a last warning to repent before the 4th. From my investigations I cannot find any expectant meteor showers for next September but there are places that talk about unusual activities going on in the atmosphere and instability with the Earth etc.
In Revelation 6:12-14 it says “The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.”. That event was just before the rapture and the Tribulation started because the scrolling of the sky is followed by the rapture in Revelation 7:9 and then the following chapters after that discuss all the events of the Great Tribulation.
Acts 2 and Joel 2 both refer to this event BEFORE the Tribulation. However Matthew 24 mentions the Tribulation and THEN the blood moons etc AFTERWARDS. That indicates ANOTHER event. That other event MUST be supernatural because no other blood moons are expected to coincide with Jewish feasts, naturally, for another 500 years after next year.
All of the acts of God through the 3.5 years of wrath WILL include the events mentioned in Matthew 24. Revelation 16:17-21 could be a fulfilment of that
“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds fell on people”
The erthquake with possible multiple volcanos would darken the sun and could cause a red moon after the sky clears up a bit.
To illustrate what Revelation 6 may look like, please visit my article http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/my-rapture-and-end-times-stance.html which gives an artist impression of the eventl
Hi John,
First of all, I don’t believe in the rapture nor do I believe in the seven year tribulation period.
As for this supernatural events that happen during the tribulation, they occur after the four Horsemen of the apocalypse which includes World War III and its aftermath. So you may be a bit premature when it comes to looking for the signs in the heavens.
As for the darkening of the sun, Moon and stars, they all seem to be related events. I’m guessing that this*with the flaming tail is a large meteor that will strike the earth. Such an event would kick up enough dust to darken everything in the sky and would cause great earthquakes as well. Material kicked up into the atmosphere would soon rain down like a meteor shower so we may be looking at this kind of event.
As for the blood moons being rare, every lunar eclipse Involves a blood moon, it’s just that they don’t always happen on a Jewish holiday. So it’s highly unlikely that the last of these eclipses will signal immediate fulfillment of prophecy. Time will tell, but I seriously doubt that anything important is going to happen.
We shall see.
Hi Jim
Blood moons only occur at a TOTAL lunar eclipse and are fairly rare. A tetrad (4 blood moons appearing every 6 months over a period of 2 successive years) are extremely rare. For example there were absolutely no tetrad’s between 1600 to 1900. The odds of a tetrad i.e all 4 blood moons coinciding on the exact days of specific Jewish feasts are even more remote. If we then throw into the equation the addition of a solar eclipse happening just 2 weeks before a blood moon at the specific feasts of trumpets and Tabernacles TO THE VERY DAYS of the start of these events, then we are talking about the realms of almost impossibility.
Make no mistake. September 2015 is going to be totally unique. Also consider that the blood moon in September 2015 will be seen in Jerusalem and will be a SUPER moon, then we really are talking about something totally amazing and significant.
You mentioned that you couldn’t open my link. Okay, to help, here is the most poignant parts of that link below:
What Are These Recent Signs in the heavens heralding?
Mostly, whenever a vastly significant DIVINE appointed event (i.e. a momentous ACT of God) has or is about to happen which specifically affects Israel, God sends heavenly signs.
They normally herald one or more of the following: judgement, mercy, massively significant events and protection. They have also accompanied specific Jewish feast days. For example, there was a sign in the heavens to declare the birth of Jesus and during Passover when Jesus was on the cross (although the darkness of 3 hours, on this occasion, must have been a unique supernatural event as solar eclipses can only take place during a new moon -passover only takes place during a full moon and solar eclipses cannot last 3 hours).
All massive events surrounding Jesus and the church were fulfilments of the Jewish feasts and always took place at the same time as these feasts, such as Passover/Pesach (already mentioned), Pentecost/Shavuot and others. As it states in Colossians 2:16-17:
“regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ” ie Jesus fulfills all these feasts.
All that remain (unfulfilled) are the autumn feasts such as Feast of trumpets/Rosh Hashanah and Tabernacles/Sukkot.
Feast of Trumpets:
This was the first of the Autumnal feasts, also known as Rosh Hashanah. It was the start of the Jewish new year. A shofar horn (trumpet) was blown to state that the new year had started. As I understand it, it sounded on the mountains as soon as the new moon was seen.
This feast was the only one that was held on the first day of a new moon. As most of you will know, a new moon is totally invisible to the naked eye, so was impossible to determine the exact day/hour when the first day started, until a slither of light (from the sun) reveals the new month has started. Therefore it was impossible to know (before the technology that we now have) the exact day or hour “as to that day or hour knoweth no man”. That phrase was a well known saying indicating the uncertainty of the timing of the feast and was the feast that Jesus was referring to when He made that statement.
During a solar eclipse, the suddenness of the revealing of the new moon at this feast was very stark in comparison with other new moons and was a special sign. We have been informed that there will actually be a solar eclipse at the feast of trumpets in 2015.
Even if that phrase was not relevant as an indication of knowing when to expect the rapture – certainly we should not be date setting, we should remember that when Jesus stated “no man knows the day or hour”, it was almost 2000 years ago. 1900 years plus needed to pass by before Israel even became a nation again. Clearly there would not be any signs of the rapture for a very long time, so was difficult to determine when it would happen at that time, i.e. around the year 30AD. However, we are very close now, so much easier to determine the signs and times in which we live and recognise that the rapture is very close.
The trumpet blasts meant different things: an announcement to prepare spiritually, to assemble together, to get right with God and a final last warning (last trump). The last trump was also blown to commence a journey. We are told in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 that the last trump – the very last one calling the people of God together, resulting in the rapture.
Incidentally, we cannot use the trumpets blown by the angels in the book of Revelation as a guide to the last trump because the apostle Paul was not referring to those trumpet blasts (as the book of Revelation had not yet been written) but to the Jewish feast of trumpets and maybe also to the trumpets used by Joshua. Besides, the trumpets in Revelation are blown by the angels whereas the one mentioned by Paul is blown by the Lord Himself “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God” 1 Thes 4:16
Feast of Tabernacles
The feast of tabernacles partially was fulfilled by Jesus in that His body represented the temple (dwelling place of God). John 1:14 declares “ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)”. Literally, he tabernacled amongst us. Special events in the eternal life of Jesus always took place on the exact dates of an appropriate Jewish feast. Therefore, it stands to reason that Jesus was born on the first day of Tabernacles. However, this feast has only partially been fulfilled because it was only for 33 years.
However, at the Second Coming, we will be in the presence of Jesus forever.
A blood moon (full moon) will take place at the Feast of Tabernacles (following the solar eclipse on the feast of trumpets) in 2015.
As I understand it, we are now in the shemittah year (the 7th sabbatical year in a 7 year cycle) which will last until September 2015. The next Shemittah will begin in 2015 (around the time of the day of atonement – probably the very last one) and will last until 2022, with the year 2021/22 being the next Shemittah (Shmita).
At this very time (2022) the next year of jubilee is due to commence. The year of jubilee could be indicating the time when everything will be restored and Israel’s debt paid in full and the start of the Millennium reign of Christ on the Earth. Notice how that significant number of 7 years keeps showing up and corresponds with the 70th year of Daniel – the last 7 years of the Great Tribulation.
These combined events do sound extremely significant and could be that God is telling us that The Second Coming will be taking place in around 8 years time after the rapture event, if it happens in 2015 (could be sooner, because Jesus left us with the impression of imminency).
john
small note: Both lunar eclipses and solar eclipses, including full ones, occur multiple times a year….a full lunar eclipse is usually red, and especially occurring in the fall of the year, which is why they call it a harvest moon.
solar eclipses usually occur 2-4 weeks before/ after a lunar eclipse
I agree that a tetrad occuring on jewish holidays is rare.
Hi Marianne
A solar eclipse ONLY happens at a new moon. A lunar eclipse ONLY happens sometimes at a full moon (and these eclipses only result in a blood moon if they are TOTAL eclipses). Therefore, on a very rare occasion, it would coincide 2 weeks apart (not 2-4 weeks). It is extremely rare for a solar eclipse to take place immediately preceding a blood moon in the same month (let alone at the exact time as the feasts of trumpets and tabernacles and seen in Jerusalem and on a SUPER moon).
hi john
that is what i meant.
as I watch this theory unfold, I just want people to understand that a tetrad is not fulfillment of Joel or revelation….where the sun and moon eclipse together or turn dark at the same time for some reason.
so far, the blood moons have not been visible in Israel….the next one wont be either.
John,
Eclipses occur whenever the sun earth and moon are lined up in a straight line so that one can block the other.
So, if they are all lined up for a solar eclipse it only follows that two weeks later when the moon is on the other side of the earth, that they will still be pretty much lined up and a lunar eclipse is likely.
So a lunar eclipse closely following a solar eclipse is NOT rare. The reason most people don’t realize this is that most people on earth never see a total solar eclipse, so linking the two events never crosses their minds.
If you want a rare event, just pick a spot on the earth, anywhere, and wait for a total solar eclipse. It could take hundreds of thousands of years actually. So if you want to wait for a solar eclipse to cross over Jerusalem, you have a very, very long wait.
Otherwise, why would an eclipse only visible in Iceland be of major concern to Christians? Surely a prophetic sign from the creator would be more significant than that. Why not say that the shadow of Ganymede when it crosses the Great Red Spot on Jupiter might be a sign from God? Something as common as eclipses would not be used by God as a sign of the Second Coming. When a sign occurs, the whole world will witness it.
Believe me.
Apparently total eclipses can only be seen (on average) at a location every 2.5 years. With that in mind, what are the chances that it will happen exactly 2 weeks after a solar eclipse with both being seen in Jerusalem at those feasts and at the 4th part of a tetrad, also coinciding with the start of a new Shmita (7 year cycle). Notice 7 years! Those who teach the pretrib rapture state that it precedes 7 years Tribulation. This Shmita will be the last one in the Jubilee 50 year cycle with the next jubilee celebration in 2022. There are far too many co-incidences for it not to be extremely significant.
john
I know they are seen in america now, not Israel…I think america will be in trouble before israel ……
Marianne
If you check the records, the 4th blood moon WILL be seen in Jerusalem (the only one of the 4) on September 28th 2015. It will also be a SUPER moon, ie very large and take place 2 weeks after a solar eclipse AND be the start of a new shmita 7 year cycle and the last one before the next jubilee. Can you not see the significance of all this?
yes i can, if it plays out like I think…but blood moons, like I said are common enough….where Israelis may not think anything of it
I would not be surprised if USA suffers greatly. The freak immense over most of the country could be an indication of worse things to follow. The net result is that America could end up in such dire straits that they can no longer help Israel and be paralysed when Islamic states attack Israel (Psalm 83). If the rapture happens next year, then most of the world would become paralysed for quite a while.
I meant to say “the freak immense SNOW over the country”. I missed the word “snow”
I KNOW it will suffer greatly, because the current administration hates ISrael, and is plotting to divide the land for gain, as predicted in Joel…..when USA divides Jerusalem and Israel to give land to ISrael’s enemies, God will split the USA in half and destroy it from east to west, using foreign armies and those domestic, but treasonous to the USA. you are right, USA will then be paralyzed, and useless to Israel….Israel will then HAVE to look to God to prevent being destroyed by enemies.
John and Marianne,
The total solar eclipse (sackcloth sun), which occurs on March 20, 2015 is unique, occurring on Spring Equinox and visible in St Peter’s Basilica and across Europe as well as visible in Jerusalem.
Take some time to explore St Peter’s Basilica (obelisk and solar markings) as well as reading up on the definition of Basilica.
John, I agree with you. These are another sign in the heavens before the Day of The Lord (Joel).
You may find this page of interest. The sign in the heavens of Revelation 12:1-5 occurred on Feast of Trumpets, 2011.
Folks ignore this unique heavenly sign on Feast of Trumpets (2011), or many be they didn’t see or don’t know.
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/signs-in-the-heavens/
Yes indeed, we are within “Daniel’s Timeline” because the Lord told his disciples before hand (Matthew chapters 24-25), including the fig tree lesson. Yes, Jubilee occurred in 1917 (Belfour Declaration, home land for Hebrews) and 1967 (Jerusalem under Israel governance) with the next Jubilee occurring 2017.
I think blood moons are a sign for the Hebrews.
Please notice these “Blood Moons” occur on Passover (2014/2015) and Tabernacles (2014/2015).
The total eclipse (sackcloth sun) occurs on the first day of Spring (2015), which is a sign for Gentiles.
Da Pope will be able to look out his apartment on the first day of Spring, witnessing a sackcloth sun. Then a few months later beginning of the Day of The Lord (judgement upon the False Prophet Beast, and Antichrist).
Blessings
Psalm 27
The spring solar eclipse next year will only be total in Iceland and the north Atlantic, NOT in Rome. The pope will NOT see a sackcloth sun, sorry. It will only be a partial eclipse in EUROPE.
As for the fall lunar eclipse, the totality will NOT be visible in Israel. It will be almost over by the time the moon rises in Jerusalem. The spring lunar eclipse spring lunar eclipse spring lunar eclipse will be seen in the Pacific and none of it will be visible in Europe or the Middle east.
Your 2009 Obama antichrist theory is on its last legs. By next year at this time you will be looking for a new theory. So far none of what you predicted has happened and it is far too late in the game for all the events to take place before your appointed time. It won’t be long before the whole blood moon / 2017 Second Coming theory that has been floating around for 30 or 40 years will finally be set to rest.
I can’t wait to see what happens then…
Thanks DJ
Did you know that in Israel they have just started the Shmita 7th year sabbatical year, with the next 7 year shmita cycle starting next September. Messianic fellowships in Israel have calculated that this is actually the 7th shmita in the cycle, meaning that the next jubilee will be in 2022 not 2017. Clearly the full impact of the Great Tribulation has not yet started but the build up has. Therefore, 2017 is far too early for the thousand year reign of Christ.
maybe 2017 is the beginning of the last week of daniel
Marianne, year of Jubilee is a year of restoration of all things. It is recognised by many as being symbolic of the Millennium, ie will start at the end of the 7 year cycle.
John,
Who is the guy in your gravatar?
No idea. I think he is a puritan but it was the only image I could manage to find relatively suitable to use. He looks a bit like me and (as my blog is about serious articles, I felt it most appropriate. Although I do smile a lot more than he does, lol.
John,
I think you didn’t look at the information within this link because if you did – you would see what occurred on Feast of Trumpets, 2011.
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/signs-in-the-heavens/
With the assistance of the astronomy software Stellarium (which you can download at no cost at stellarium.org), you can see the sign in the heaven of Revelation 12:1-5. She is clothed in the sun and the moon is at her feet for a reason.
Since the sign in the heavens (Rev. 12:1-5) was above us on September 29, 2011 (Feast of Trumpets) these “Blood Moons” (lunar eclipses), occurring on Feast of Passover & Tabernacle in 2014 and 2015 are very significant (Joel chapter 2).
My guess is – you’re convinced that 2022 is the year of Jubilee, matching your interpretation on the current Blood Moon Tetrad and nobody and no additional information will change your mind. But, let me try.
Jubilee count:
1967 was a Jubilee year, considering the 6 day war came upon Israel and on the 7th day – Israel acquired Jerusalem.
After the 1967 war, Jerusalem was under Israeli governance as the spiritual/national capital. This was the first time since the days of King Solomon. Significant of a jubilee, yes?
Israel (1948) didn’t hold Jerusalem until 1967. It was not since the days of King Solomon that the nation of Israel one united kingdom) held Jerusalem. Humm?
1967 = Jubilee
2022 – 50 years = what?
2022 – 49 years = what?
What occurred in those years that was as significant to the nation of Israel as what occurred in 1967?
So then, what occurred 50 years before 1967?
It must be as significant to be considered a Jubilee year.
1917.
The fall of the Ottoman Empire and “Palestine” was open to Jewish settlement.
A proclamation was made that “Palestine should be reconstituted as the National Home of the Jewish people.”
Going back from 1967 to 1917 and every 50 years over centuries there is a significant event in the history of the Israelites – every 50 years.
The next Jubilee year 1967 + 49 = 2016, making 2017 the Year of Jubilee.
What occurs in 2016?
That year just happens to be the year following a Blood Moon Tetrad (Hebrew Feast Days of Passover & Tabernacles, 2014& 2015) and a total solar eclipses on the Spring Equinox, 2015 (sackcloth sun), which is seen over da Vatican and Jerusalem.
Those Hebrews in Israel who identify 2022 as the next Jubilee year – I think they are spiritually blind, lacking light (1st Thess. 5).
The Hebrews in Jerusalem today are from the same crowd who missed the star, telling of His conception and birth. Only the wise men from the East could see the star of His first coming.
These Hebrews in Israel today (for the most part) are the same crowd that do not know the Messiah – who gives light (Psalm 18:28 and John chapter 1).
These Hebrews proposing 2022 as the next year of Jubilee probably are employed by the Rothschilds (tribe of Dan). Just a guess.
There is more to share on the timeline, which supports 2017 as the Year of Jubilee but I’ve written enough for now.
BTW – the Beast is not A nation or A religion (Islam) but a construct.
The Beast is international in scope with significant power (economic, institutional, political, military, culture/media and religion) to move Satan’s global agenda and strategic plan.
Blessings
Psalm 27
Hi DJ
Yes I did look at the link, but could not see any real clear picture of any woman etc in the heavens.
I will now explain why 1967 and 1917 is irrelevant regarding the restart of the Jubilee in Israel. I have researched this and found out what is happening. In fact, it is probably best coming from the horses mouth – from those within Israel.
The Shmita has been regularly observed throughout Jewish history. We are now in the Jewish year 5775. Simply divide that by 7 and you will find that it is the Shmita year and is being observed in Israel (as we speak) and the new 7 year cycle will start in September 2015. Here is a link which says more on this:
http://www.jta.org/2014/09/09/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/understanding-shmita-israels-agricultural-shabbat-1
Regarding the Jubilee. This has not been observed ever since the fall of the first temple because according to a Rabbi’s interpretation of Leviticus 25:10 “all the inhabitants” means all the 12 tribes within the land and therefore they cannot observe the year of Jubilee UNTIL all 12 tribes reside in Israel.
Since the first exile, there has been 10 lost tribes who are still living within the nations. The Jewish religious leaders are waiting for the fulfilment of Ezekiel 36:24 ” For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of ALL countries, and will bring you into your own land”. Ezekiel 37 talks about a regeneration that will happen after these return.
Those Jews who live in Israel at the moment are not the entire 12 tribes of Israel and have come to the land in unbelief and hardness of heart. Once all the Jews have returned there will be serious tribulation for Israel followed by salvation. The regeneration of Israel with a new spirit within will not happen until the Jews return from ALL the countries including USA and Western European countries.
When this happens then the status will be ripe for reapplying Leviticus 25:10.
As bible believing Christians, we know that these missing Jews will be forced back to the land just before the time of Jacobs trouble to face serious trouble as God sanctifies His name to the nations through disciplining Israel severely. Once this is complete, the whole nation will look upon Jesus whom they have pierced and mourn for Him on the day of atonement at the end of the 7 years. This will lead nicely to the Second Coming and the right conditions for observing the start of the year of jubilee – as I said, could be after the next Shmita in 2022/23.
I got some of this information from a rabbi:
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/513212/jewish/When-is-the-next-Jubilee-year.htm
chabad.org is the official link for jewish thought.
the shmetah was determined long ago, and is not broken by history or assigned by it…..so once the clock starting ticking, it kept ticking, whether people were back in Israel or not.
they currently do not observe it in a full way, as the diaspora still exists. I have been around orthodox jews for a long time, and I have not seen them take off work for a year yet.
You are right that they do not observe it in a full way. That is because they are still in the land in hardness of heart and mostly in unbelief. That will change once all the remaining diaspora have returned. However, that does not take away from God’s set timings based on these Shmita’s. Once the diaspora has returned then Israel will again be able to celebrate the year of Jubilee. However, the Gog and Magog War, time of Jacobs trouble (Great Tribulation) will have to happen first which is likely to hold back the first Jubilee until the end of it, which just so happens to coincide with Zechariah 12:10 to 13:1 and the Second Coming.
DJ
Regarding the image in the heavens. I have looked again and can see a woman on a throne sitting on a beast, but no 7 heads or 10 horns and no moon at her feet, 12 stars or clothed with the sun. Sorry, but I cannot take it seriously.
I would rather stick to what the Bible tells us than trying to assume vague images and make predictions on them which is in danger of verging on forbidden astrology. Even if you are right, it is no indication that we should base predictions from 2011 onwards. Revelation 12 gives us a sign which is then confirmed in reality in chapters 13 and 17. It is those chapters that are the reality of the sign in chapter 12.
John,
You “could not see any real clear picture of any woman etc in the heavens?”
Virgo is the woman.
It is clear, easy to see.
Blessings
Psalm 37
DJ
It looks like you didn’t see this reply (I post it again):
Regarding the image in the heavens (which simply look like a cloud formation). I have looked again and can see a woman on a throne sitting on a beast, but no 7 heads or 10 horns and no moon at her feet, no 12 stars or clothed with the sun. Sorry, but I cannot take it seriously.
I would rather stick to what the Bible tells us than trying to assume vague images and make predictions on them which is in danger of verging on forbidden astrology. Even if you are right, it is no indication that we should base predictions from 2011 onwards. Revelation 12 gives us a sign which is then confirmed in reality in chapters 13 and 17. It is those chapters that are the reality of the sign in chapter 12.
Besides, the picture does not look like a real photo but of an artists impression. Even if there was a woman dressed in the sun with a moon at her feet and 12 stars in the picture (cannot see it) how can we know that the photo is not a forgery? Even then, you would need to distort your eyes and do mental gymnastics to see anything minimally resembling it.
As I say, we are not instructed in the scriptures to do such things. In fact we are told the opposite regarding something similar such as astrology. I would never endorse such practice EVER.
The real unraveling enigma is Revelation chapter 11
This blood moon tetrad is too convenient to be without significance.
they have happened before….and nothing significant happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_penumbral_lunar_eclipse
about 40 times since jesus and he is not back yet
also these are not even visible in jerusalem that are part of this current tetrad…and they appear like at 3 am….Eastern time…so who is up to look or care?
they are not sending much of a message if hardly anyone can see them because it happens in the middle of the night or they are not even in a zone that can see them
Hi Marianne. Many people in our church are getting all excited about the 4 blood moon events. I’m with you. I do not put much faith in this blood moon stuff. I think many people will be very disappointed when nothing happens. You make some good points, as all ways. Keep up the good work, Jim.
thanks. we will see how next year goes
Good points all Marianne,
But when the sequences of sevens are factored in, along with Helium in Zircon crystals and Polonium halos, the era within which we now exist takes on significance.
There is no mistaking that the seventh millennium is now upon us.
The current situation with regard to the oceans dying is staggering
Fukushima is an extinction level event in and of itself. When the other 4000-500 reactors go off-line, we’re done!
The final nail in our “coffin” that cannot be ignored is the timeline for human extinction climatologists refer to when they speak of the Polar Methane emergency. 2030 has been preferred as a total extinction date
When these factors are considered within any end time corollary, rapid sequence differential analysis screams second coming
Dan
helium in zircon crystals?
I do agree that we are in bad times, which will get even worse.
Helium imbedded in Zircon crystals has dated the earth to 6’000 years, +/- 2000
Multiple independant lab analysis
why is helium a standard for time?
good question
Apparently they were able to compare helium in what was is primordial zircon crystal, with time it takes for helium to pass through other zircon crystals.
The helium in the “primordial” zircon crystals shouldn’t be there, but it is
I did not think one could date with helium. helium as a gas could be trapped in anything solid
why is zircon primordial?
Primordial was just my word choice to describe zircon crystals likely undisturbed from the dawn of whenever they were created.
Again, independent labs state that latent helium ions found in zircon should not exist if the earth the earth were 1 ba-zillion years old. They say that the zircon tested revealed the crystals to be almost exactly 6,000 years old
At the very least, the “Old Earth” theory is certainly not a constant.
I am not a geologist so I cannot comment…so I assume this was done by qualified people
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/41/41_1/Helium.htm
Somehow I don’t think helium in zircon crystals is somehow going to overturn the entire science of geology. The evidence for the origin of the universe and the solar system is far too overwhelming to be refuted by this new untested study.
Sounds like the work of You Tube idiots to me.
So I’m an idiot? Thanks
“rapid sequence differential analysis” – eh?
did ya like that? It’;s actually a thing
dan
do you know what you are talking about?
yup. Google that stuff
I do not need to google it..
.I used to do it..if you are referring to RNA/DNA sequencing and analysis…
but why are you mentioning it?
you like big words? 🙂 🙂 🙂
I might be too right brained
you are a funny guy tonight
I was hoping to get commentary, and I did
Dan,
Seriously.
Blessings
What???
He called me an idiot.
jim thinks everyone is a you tube idiot 🙂
Oh, I see
He’s not very nice either, but for some strange reason most of time I like him. Go figure.
Perhaps he doesn’t realize that all of us are subject to the most effective form of disinformation of evil; that which blurs the truth with fiction so effectively that they become nearly impossible for most to differentiate.
Sequential differential analysis seeks truth from collection of obvious
For instance, just because NASA claims successful moon landings doesn’t make it true. Massive evidence to the contrary declares that man never left orbit, yet about 80% still believe contrary simply on the basis of claims, pictures, rocks and rockets.
The truth often hides in plain sight
Here we go again.
I love Heaven Awaits – so compelling.
what happened this time?
nicetimimg,
To you I say as Captain James Tiberius Kirk would express to the Science Officer –
“Spock, please explain this application of “rapid sequence differential analysis” to the present discussion. What is your analysis?”
Click to access 1301.5277.pdf
You have written in great detail on the subject of the fig tree lesson, which seems provide evidence of the end of the age and His soon return.
Blessings
Dan,
You should explore this blog and videos – it fits your statement perfectly.
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/07/04/nazis-nasa-freemasons-and-33/
And this page too.
http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/09/03/world-trade-center/
You may see more secrets in plain sight 🙂
Blessings
Yes DJ
Well said about your replies.
Heaven awaits is very compelling
Thanks for the links. They’re GREAT!
I was a paramedic for 20 years and we used “rapid sequence differential analysis” in emergency patient examinations because patient conditions in the emergency setting constantly change, and ofttimes damn FAST. We were constantly looking for secrets, change, data, likelihood… Constant vigilance. As paramedics, we could NOT afford to buy a “lie”, or believe BS, for obvious reasons.
Hope that helps clarify rapid sequence differential analysis. It is an actual “thing”.
The fig tree lesson, does provide evidence of the end of the age and His soon return. Perfect example DJ
We all are constantly assaulted by effective forms of disinformation which would blur the truth with fiction so effectively that truth and fiction become impossible to differentiate. As a paramedic, I had to constantly be on my guard for disinformation, or someone might suffer from my ill conceived perceptions. My partner was my science officer
Captain James Tiberius Kirk thought WAY outside the box. That’s the way they crafted his character. Yet another perfect example DJ
Dan
Dan,
I’ve asked Marianne to post a very detailed Tetrad graphic. Then, we can discuss what it presents, which should add to our “frenzy” discussion.
I was moved to incorporate Kirk/Spock in that reply to nicetiming.
Glad I followed the lead given me, lightening up the moment.
Never got into the Star Trek TV show or movies – any more or less than any other TV or movie production. It’s all programming anyway.
Blessings
need copyright permission to post image.
I used to really like Star Trek… I noticed this on a Facebook post recently https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152922351971942&set=a.10150249098371942.361596.653556941&type=1
(Hope the link works) … I probably like it because of my “Kirky” sense of humour.
Re. the fig tree and 2017. It does seem to portend something very significant. However we already seem to be out of time for a specific 3 and a half year, or even a 7 year tribulation to begin before then, so I’m just not sure. I don’t think anyone has properly figured it out yet.
I loved Star Trek
me too. 🙂
Dan,
First, let me clear up one thing; I didn’t call YOU and idiot, I called the idiot who came up with the helium/zircon theory an idiot as are thousands of YouTube posters who post ridiculous lies and false science in an attempt to scare uninformed people or to sell survival supplies etc.
People who believe these lies may be gullible, or mistaken, but they are not the idiots.
As for the study you quoted, I have done some research including the following site:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/helium/zircons.html
Dr. Humphreys’ Young-Earth Helium Diffusion “Dates”
Numerous Fallacies Based on Bad Assumptions and Questionable Data
As a person with 15 years and over 100 units in geology I can confidently refute these assertions with dozens if not a hundred of geological processes that prove the earth is billions of years old.
I guarantee you that this study will never be proven. If it were it would be the biggest news story in 200 years so you would see it plastered all over the nightly news.
But you won’t. Believe me.
Lets just wait and see…
Well, thanks for that.
Why is there helium in Zircon when it should long since have fully diffused?
I’ve not much faith in the nightly news.
I’m not a geologist, but I’ve seen enough to consider the Bible correct about the 6 day creation. Check out Robert V. Gentry regarding the origin of Helium diffusion out of zircon supporting young earth theory.
Dan
Hi Jim,
I’m not sure if there is a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 or not, in order for the earth to be over 6000 years old. However, if you believe the earth is billions of years old, seeing you are an astronomy expert, how do you explain evidence number 2 in this link:
https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-for-creation/six-evidences-of-young-earth/
?
Perhaps this been discussed elsewhere on Heaven Awaits?
nice,
This one is another case of false premises.
Over time the moon has been receding away from the earth, but not at a constant rate. When it was closer to the earth the gravitational attraction was greater. The earth had more “pull” so the moon could not pull away at as great a speed as it does at the present. So you can’t use the current rate of recession as a fixed rate. This is a false assumption that sounds reasonable to the uniformed reader and nonscientist but like the other assumptions on this site it is simply false.
Jim
nicetiming,
Nice work!
Excellent link. I liked this point:
“Does the age of the earth really matter?
While each of these evidences reveals reasons why the earth cannot be billions of years old, the real issue is not the age of the earth. Instead, the real issue is authority. God’s infallible Word must be our ultimate authority, not the unstable foundation of human reasoning. Are we trying to fit our interpretations of the world (e.g., evolution) into Scripture, or will we simply let God speak for Himself through His Word?
If we can’t trust the first chapters of Genesis, why should we believe when Scripture says that faith in Jesus Christ as the only way of salvation? (Romans 10:9; Acts 4:12; John 14:6)
But when we take Scripture as written, it’s clear that the earth can’t be more than a few thousand years old—and from a biblical worldview, the scientific evidence agrees!”
I like that summary.
Spock would appreciate reading this link – as he looks at our solar system from a million light years away. “Fascinating.”
Nice to see you posting again.
I think God created the heavenly clock works (sun and moon, planets/stars, universe) on the 4th “day” of His creation work week, resting on the 7th.
Just a guess – This 6,000 year count began when that particular “work day” was finished. His Devine work week ended on the 7th “day” of His eternal, glorious, Kingdom of Light calendar.
“Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion?
Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?
Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?”
No.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38-39&version=NKJV
Blessings
Nice post
DJ,
Perhaps the problem with the creation of Genesis is simply the interpretation. After all, just look at the unbelievable variations in common interpretations of the Book of Revelation. Maybe we aren’t supposed to take the words literally. We know each “day” represents 1000 years in the age of man, the first 6000 just now coming to a close. We know that time is not linear for God so when He describes things to a man (in this case Moses) it might be in terms that man can “understand” although not quite correctly.
There was no way for God to describe the true process of creation in a few verses, and who could have understood it until these end times anyway? Most people today still don’t understand it. It turns out it is far simpler and way less work to read a few bible verses and think they understand something rather than to take the time and effort to use the brains God gave them to truly understand events according to God’s natural laws.
I also find it amazing how many people believe so many things that are not in the bible but are simply church traditions. This is the opposite problem but it is more important as these false traditions represent “Babylon” that must be destroyed before the Second Coming.
So I wouldn’t worry so much about creation. Anything before we were born might as well be infinity. We need to concentrate on the future and leave the past to the geologists so that they can better predict earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, lest the rest of us pass it all off as the acts of an angry God and use prayer to prevent them from happening again.
nicetimimg,
I’ll give it a try.
Sure there are 1260 days.
Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days (Revelation 11:3 and 12:6).
But, for the sake of the elect – I think He shortened the 1260 day/night event timeline. Instead of a full 1260 days/nights it could be 1000 or 360 or whatever days. We don’t know how short is shortened.
“And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days” (Mark 13:20, NKJV).
We’ll probably have a more complete understanding and greater appreciation of shortening the days after the following occurs:
A) The son of perdition is revealed (2nd Thess 2:3).
“Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day [of the Lord] will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition…” (NKJV).
He is revealed before the Day of the Lord begins.
This event will freak some people out, while some worship Satan’s fully manifested presences in the body of some guy (guess who) and the elect give thanks that the events of 1260 days are shorter than living through 1260 days/nights of the AC rule.
B) The days of the Gentiles is complete (Romans 11:25).
“For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” (NKJV).
When this blindness is removed from Hebrews – Wow!
Funny thing – I keep meeting people and having incredible spiritually awakening conversations, which is a very good sign. Thank you Lord.
“[ Put on Christ ] And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed” (Romans 13:11).
“Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light” (Ephesians 5:14).
Blessings
DJ,
I don’t see how you link the time must be shortened to the prophetic time given by God. You can’t take poetic license with prophetic times. I know it is very popular nowadays, especially the extension of Daniel’s 70 weeks from 490 years to over 2500 years… and counting.
When God states a time frame for a prophecy it cannot be fudged to suit your means. You, like many others right now are shooting for a Second Coming in the next couple of years based on some idea you came up with years ago. In order to make your time frame fit the prophetic time must be shortened, so you pulled out a verse that seems to fit but is completely out of context.
So nice, I wouldn’t put much stock in DJ’s explanation. It will only lead to confusion and disappointment. He is in desperation mode right now, looking for any explanation that might confirm his aging hypothesis which is ultimately doomed to failure.
But fear not DJ, you will be in good company with hundreds of famous church fathers who had their own predictions of the Second Coming which ultimately came to nothing.
Well Jim, I do think cutting short 1260 days to any other number is unlikely. My beliefs are quite close to yours in several areas, however I think you also may be wrong on a number of things.
For example, you said previously on this page:
“For years I’ve argued with people like this, but at this point it can’t possibly be true since the 2 witnesses have not yet shown up in Jerusalem.”
Have you considered that the two witnesses will die in symbolic Sodom and Egypt “where also their Lord was crucified” which was OUTSIDE the gates of Jerusalem (Hebrews 13:11-14), not IN Jerusalem?
I had a really strange experience involving this subject a number of years ago, so I looked into it closely. I’ve written about it at http://www.nicetiming.com/WHO-ARE-THEY.html
My tentative conclusion is the the two witnesses may not even be two people, and that the number 2 may be symbolic, but that’s as far as I would go in changing Bible numbers. To me, 3 1/2 years still actually does mean 3 1/2 years.
NICE,
I believe the bible is literal about the 2 witnesses. I’ve heard theories that they are the Old Testament and New Testament or some such thing.
Here is what I think:
In the 70 weeks of Daniel, Jesus is cut off in the midst of a 7 year ministry. He was killed, lay dead for 3-1/2 days (Wed sunset to Sunday sunrise) then was resurrected.
The 2 witnesses will represent the completion of His ministry. They will teach for 3-1/2 years then die and lay in the streets for 3-1/2 days and then be resurrected. Fire will issue from their mouths and they will block rain from some nations so I don’t think this can describe any books or anything else for that matter. They will preach right where Jesus would have preached had He lived – Jerusalem. They are a type of Christ. They will be the firstfruits of the Second Coming. Followed by the dead and Christ and the living true church.
The description is too specific to be symbolic in my opinion, but if you can parse every verse correctly and logically into something else I’d like to hear it.
Glad to hear you agree about the shortening stuff.
Jim, one of the difficulties of understanding Revelation is figuring out if things are symbolic or literal, or both. Lately, I tend to think there is more symbolism than I used to, but who knows? Re. the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel’s 70 weeks, I thought you might have subscribed to the view that the complete 70 weeks were fulfilled with the disciples ministry, up until the stoning of Stephen which was about 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion. I don’t hold that view, but I thought you might?
nice
maybe it is actually the DAYS that are shortened, rather than the NUMBER of days.
if there was less daylight each day, possibly there would be less going on during the day ..while trouble can happen day or night, if people retreated to their homes and stayed there, they would be safer, maybe….
on the other hand, if most of the violence occurred during the daylight hours, riots , murders, thefts, arrests, etc, then shortening the length of the day to a significant degree would curtail some of the violence
Marianne, Interesting idea – it could be that, but I get the impression that nuclear war, or nuclear meltdown is about to destroy everyone on earth, and therefore it’s a sequence of EVENTS that need to be stopped, rather than the hours in the days shortened.
nice
I had heard that theory somewhere…
I just hope I am not here to find out what it all means.
That is a crazy idea. God would have to speed up the rotation of the earth which would wreak havoc on the planet. And it would not solve the problem.
Jesus tells us that the world would become so violent in the end days that if He were not to come mankind would wipe itself out. We are rapidly reaching the end of mans 6000 year free reign over earth – our chance to create the perfect society. But we have failed utterly. In fact we are about to destroy ourselves. Without the divine intervention of Jesus Christ, there would be no one left to tell our story.
Fortunately, Jesus will cut those days of destruction short… just in time to save mankind, but only after we have killed more than half the earth’s population. Way to go humans.
This is the meaning we are looking for here, not alterations of daylight or of God’s time lines. We need to put our faith only in God, not in the leaders of out world. Human nature only leads us to destruction.
God will lead us to paradise.
what does the rotation of the earth got to do with it?
god could just do this supernaturally
How would he do this?
If he stopped the earth from turning so some people would remain in the dark longer, the people on the other side would receive equally more sunlight.
To shut off the sun completely for everyone would kill crops and end up freezing billions of people. NOT a good solution.
And think about what you are saying; if God could reduce warfare by reducing daylight (an illogical and incorrect assumption) then mankind could solve their problems without the need for Jesus to return and end the warring Himself. You are trying to take God out of the equation. Who needs Jesus to rule for 1000 years when man could do it himself if only there were fewer hours of daylight.
That’s just silly and obviously untrue.
jim
you do not understand the power of god obviously
god stopped time and held the sun in the sky for a full 24 hour day so that joshua could finish a battle.
nothing is impossible with god
I never said god HAD to stop the earth from turning.
god can create darkness and light as he pleases..
clearly you do not have any faith in what god can do
By the way,
In addition to your idea that the days might be physically shortened, it is also not possible.
You appear to think that the actual amount of daylight could be shortened, not just the day. If God sped up the earths rotation to a 12 hour day, in a 24 hour period there would be exactly the same number of minutes of daylight, its just that they would happen in two shorter segments.
The problem is that if you change the darkness on one side of the planet you equally affect the other side. Half the earth is always in sunlight while the other is in the dark. So the only way to reduce the length of daylight worldwide would be to turn off the sun completely, which would cause more problems and kill more people than doing nothing.
Besides, WW3 will be nuclear, using buttons being pressed from a deep bunker far from daylight so time of day would not matter.
So now we can put this silly idea to rest.
Hi nice,
I think the two witnesses are olives, Jews, and candlesticks, Christians. And there’s a third that does not please God because their scroll lies about Him. He’s going to turn their judgments back on themselves. It’s in Zechariah 4 and Zechariah 5. The third one is in Shinar on its own base. The first sets the plumb line and then flanks the second, which pours anointed oil out of their throats.
Chris, You may be right but it’s not easy to understand. For example, if you are right, because there are two olive trees and two lampstands mentioned in Rev 11:4, then by your definition that make four witnesses! To have only two, then BOTH groups have to be olives and lampstands, not one group olives and one group candlesticks.
there is one final week of daniel…then later we are told jacob’s trouble is 3.5 years….so maybe the shortening is from 7 years to 3.5 years
interesting?
Now stop that!
Pretty soon everyone will be using the “shortened“ idea to apply to everything. Something doesn’t fit? Claim “shortening!”
God doesn’t fudge his numbers. A millennium is 1000 years. Period. 70 weeks is 490 years. Period!
God said it would take 70 weeks. You can’t tack on another 2000 years to fit some book authors’ theory.
God gave you a number…deal with it! You can’t just change it any more than you can change a commandment.
No matter how much you like Sunday worship, or Christmas, you can’t make them biblical just by wishful thinking.
So please, stop it! Both of you.
ok , love you jim!
I also love the way Jim is so sure about everything. I do often agree with him.
Rev 8:2 talks about a third of the day being without light (not a shortening but). The new book this video promotes looks interesting:
he is not always right…he will disagree with the bible, he does not believe, for example, matt 2:2 where the wise men saw the star in the east…he thinks they saw an angel or a light beam from heaven, not a real star or stars in alignment
the only thing i have heard him say that he believes about the bible is that we should worship on saturday. so maybe he is jewish
Well. I’m sitting on the fence with it, although, as one politician once said, that’s where you get splinters!
Don’t forget Jesus and His disciples were Jewish, so I would be in good company.
yes jewish people are nice, but they are not saved yet…they still have the veil over their eyes.
so do you practice the jewish faith or the christian faith?
I keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
ok. then put some faith in the bible, and let god reveal what it means, instead of denying the contents.
How is a star with a flaming tail hitting the earth equate to a nuclear power plant? And how did we miss the other seals that occur beforehand?
Wormwood is a fairly common term, so assuming that it means Chernobyl does not make it a fact. This kind of interpretive process inevitably leads to wrong conclusions and this is one of those.
What flaming tail?
It simply says a star burning like a torch or a lamp.
A star could be talking about an angel. A star could also be a way to describe a nuclear meltdown. I have no problem with either.
Also I have a friend who speaks the language and they told me years ago it IS the same word. I know it doesn’t seem to fit the complete context of all the seals and so forth. Still, with such an interesting coincidence for the name Chernobyl, I’m not in a hurry to brush it off so easily.
god knows but we don’t.
We will soon enough.
Jim, this is a more detailed video from this “Youtube Idiot”.
DJ, check my reply to Jim. I also don’t think you can apply the shortening of time to those verses. I think they are more likely talking about a shortening of time in which the 1260 days occur.
Just sent a request, seeking permission to post the graphic and offering him to contribute to our frenzy.
ok
Loved the youtube video. He comes at it from a little different path than me, but we come to the same conclusion. We are the generation who will have seen all these things, 1948, 1967, God gathering Israel from the four corners of the earth. And according to Ezekiel 38 and 39, God is going to fight for Israel and against those nations that will come to destroy her. Watch therefore. There will be a star, Rev. 6., and an earthquake Ezekiel 38, and it won’t be coming in judgment against Israel. It will be coming against those who want to destroy her.
There have been plenty of times when “Jacob” was under judgment, 70 AD, etc., but God has brought them through each time, sometimes by the skin of their teeth. It wouldn’t have happened at all if God hadn’t shortened the time in many cases, including the Holocaust. But now we are seeing God’s hand getting ready to bless them. They will have earned their stripes, wouldn’t you say?
Will the world still call it coincidence if it comes during the fall feasts, amidst a blood moon, actually make that a super blood moon, and concluding with the Jewish year of Jubilee? It is already prophesied that if any of Israel’s surviving enemies don’t show up for future Feast of Tabernacles they won’t get any rain. I’m thinking they will be grateful just to be alive, at least for a thousand years. All that fire and brimstone, etc. could be brutal.
About the Chernobyl video, there is talk that the Iranian nuclear site, Bushehr, is sitting on three different fault lines and could easily blow during an earthquake. I’m thinking in that direction because when Ezekiel talks about Togarmah, Mesheck, Tubal, those are all in Turkey — not in Russia — according to the ancient maps, and Turkey has gone Islamic. Just to the west of Turkey are the isles that Ezekiel 38 says the people are living in carelessly, which makes it sound like there is going to be something catastrophic to happen in that region that will flood the islands in the Mediterranean.
very possible
To nice on Chernobyl,
I have another interesting point to bring up on all the 7 trumps.
But first, do you believe the trumps will come in the order described or will some be skipped and come later?
If in order, what was the 2nd trump – the mountain of fire falling into the sea? There is a lot of damage done (⅓ of the ships in the sea) so where was that?
But my main question is where was the trump? I’m sure we all agree that the 7th trump which heralds the return of Jesus will be heard by everyone everywhere. So why wouldn’t every trump be heard worldwide? Was there even a small trump hears at Chernobyl? And don’t say the radiation warning sirens – it requires an angel not a sensor.
Personally I believe the trumps will be supernatural and everyone will hear them.
What do you believe?
jim
I believe what I hear..but to interpret, I am still open
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/first-trump/
see also comments, where others hear it too.
what kind of trumpet….feast trumpet or trumpet of wrath?
https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/first-trumpet-blows/
So now that it has been almost five years since you hear that trumpet blast do you think the seals have all been opened, or just the first? And why did God only allow you to hear the sound and nobody else? Will you need to hear another blast, confirmed by everyone on earth before you stop believing that you heard the first trump?
And you wonder why I am always so skeptical? Yet so far, I have been 100% correct and all the dreamers and You Tube idiots have been wrong, and more will fail in the future, until the true signs appear and there will no longer be any doubts or misinterpretations.
But that day has not arrived yet regardless of what many would have you believe.
Will the trumpets be heard by everyone? I think so, but if they are a message from God I’m certain every Christian ear will hear it.
jim
if you READ the comments, you would see that OTHERS also heard the trumpet. I told you to read the comments, but you were too lazy to do so.
and no, I do not need to hear another blast. one was enough for me.
the first 5 seals have been open for 2000 years…we have had an antichrist spirit, wars, famines, pestilences, death, and martyrdom over that time….
but the time is coming where all this will CLIMAX ( creating a global tribulation) and then will come the 6th seal, which will end the tribulation and begin the wrath of God in the trumpets and vials.
god uses trumpets in different ways.. what I heard was NOT the trumpets of rev 8….because there was no matching event as described in bible.
the trumpet I heard was a warning trumpet, of what WAS happening or ABOUT to happen. god always warns before he acts, to give us time to repent and prepare.
if you have been paying any attention to this government we have, many muslims have been moved into position in power, 300,000 muslims have been imported from syria as “immigrants,” foreign troops have been brought into the country for martial law, us aid has been going to terrorists like hamas and the muslim brotherhood, muslims are the only ones allowed to pray in public in america now, Islam is being taught in american schools, we have sold all our gold to china, Homeland security and other us agencies hate christians, and have labeled us domestic terrorists, the president encourages race riots against police, and undermines their authority, he attends funerals of criminals who try to kill police and ignores christian funerals of those murdered by muslims, the borders are totally open, allowing illegal immigrants to enter to live off american taxpayers, this includes gangsters and terrorists to come in, and the president violates the constitution on a daily basis, and wants it destroyed so he can establish a dictatorship.
and THAT is only a small part of the list…..
maybe god should blow a trumpet in YOUR ear too.
you are not 100% correct in your criticisms….you just have your opinions
Marianne, that is a great summary of things as they are. Well said. I had not read those trumpet pages until now – not laziness, just a matter of time priority. My comment below about the world not hearing the trumpets was meant to apply generally. I am not skeptical about the experiences you and others have had, because nothing can ever be revealed to a true skeptic. On the other hand we do have to judge things from our own experiences to a certain extent.
Marianne,
I don’t have the time to read the entire blog but I did read one response from a man who also hear a trump, but it was on a different date and years before yours.
So this reminds me of the thousands of You Tube idiots that claim to have discovered Nibiru. All of them are either lying or too dumb to know better. The fact that there are so many of them does not convince me in any way that there is any strength in numbers there.
Even if Billy Graham said he heard a trump five years ago I would not consider it. God is not going to announce the His coming glory to a couple of web bloggers, or even a handful of preachers. He will let the whole world know who He is and that He is about to return.
The trumps will not be heard by only a select few people and the seals revealed secretly to a few imaginative followers.
Of course, if you consider yourself to be one of these “chosen” ones, then nothing I can say will dissuade you of your beliefs so all I can say is good luck leading the world’s Christians thru the tribulation. They will all be depending on you for guidance.
🙂
jim
your reply, in fact all your replies shows why you do not hear a trump also.
I never said the trump I heard was one of those in the book of revelation.
but people are hearing THESE trumps, which have their own purpose.
they are warnings.
you do not believe anything god does , so why would god bother to show you anything?
Jim, 1/3rd of all ships were destroyed in World War 2.
A mountain of fire COULD be atomic bombs unleashed and the sea COULD be referring to humanity (remember the disciples were fishers of men – so the men must have been from the sea. Rev. 17:15 “The waters which you saw… are peoples, and multitudes, and nations.”)
I believe the trumpet sequence IS in order, but the overall order of the seals and so forth is a bigger subject, which I don’t have time to get into here.
I’m still unsure about the explanation of all the trumpets, but the following link explains the POSSIBILITY of them happening already in more detail: http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-SevenTrumpets.htm
So far it does seem plausible to me but still unproven (I also don’t subscribe to all his views of the future events)
Jim, the trumpets in Revelation chapters 8 and 9 are God SPEAKING to us by way of revelation and prophecy through these particular verses.
Ezekiel 33:2 says: Son of man SPEAK to the sons of your people… and then it goes on to talk about blowing the trumpet in warning, but the point is that the warning message is LIKE a trumpet message, as it says in Isaiah 58:1.
Sure, there may be a literal aspect with trumpets blown in heaven, but we certainly won’t hear any literal trumpets here on earth, I guarantee you.
(—Although a New World Order conspiracy could arrange a counterfeit blowing of trumpets in the future, I suppose.)
Really? The mountain of fire was a world war? Where did all the dead fish go? I never heard of such an event. And it doesn’t fit the bible description at all. The web site you linked to has the same problem – nothing matches. If you don’t believe the bible is literal, then anyone can make up anything they want to and there is no way to prove them wrong.
Personally, I believe John saw an accurate vision of future events. He described them as best he could at his time and mind-set. I’m sorry that you don’t trust in God enough to believe His words the way he wrote them.
I think many people want to see Jesus return tomorrow so they come to the conclusion that all the seals are finished so He might come at any time. This has been done for centuries by major religious figures but none were correct. So now people can sit back and wait for the Second Coming without being vigilant for any other signs of His return.
I predict that millions of Christians will soon be saying, “wow, look at that,,, I never expected the bible to be so accurate!”
And those who are too entrenched in their beliefs will simply be lost.
Jim, your objections are valid up to a point, which is why I said this is unproven. But you said nothing matches, but if nothing matched I would not bother either, but the problem is that too many things DO match.
I believe the Bible is all true, but that some of this truth is written as metaphor. What makes you think I disbelieve, when all I’m doing is using common sense by attempting to discern what is likely literal as opposed to what is likely not literal?
As for when Jesus will return I agree that there have to be certain prophecies happen first, which have not yet happened, but nowhere does the Bible say that the 7 trumpets have to happen WITHIN a closed 3 1/2 OR 7 year period. That is an assumption that comes from not understanding how Revelation is written.
The way it is written is that John explains some things, and then goes back and fills in certain details. Revelation is not linear from the first chapter to the last, which is one reason people get so confused.
Another reason they come up with silly ideas is from taking everything too literally; not understanding, for example, that Christians are the temple, and instead thinking a literal temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns, etc. etc. – going from one error to the next because they have no idea that the Bible is mainly concerned with heart level salvation, and that it is talking on a spiritual level that most people have no clue about.
nice,
I understand how the Book of Revelation uses insets to go back and describe certain things in detail, but I don’t believe any prophecy in the seals has begun yet because the 2nd thru 4th horsemen will destroy a large part of the earth’s population and that hasn’t happened yet.
Until the nuclear war has begun, none of the later events can happen. All you and others have done is to find current (or not so current) events and tried to make them seem like some of the seals by playing the metaphor card.
I don’t believe the temple will be rebuilt before the Second Coming because the temple described by Ezekiel will be the millennium temple. I also don’t believe the temple mount was the location of the Jewish temples so anything built there would be bogus anyway.
In any case, events like Chernobyl and the Arab Spring were not of biblical proportions and while some Christians would be happy to think they are over I’m afraid that we ain’t seen nothing yet.
there will be a tribulation temple of some sort, as the abomination of desolation occurs there….Rev 11
the Ezekiel temple comes later.
oh I forgot, you do not believe the bible.
god must be a youtube idiot to make up such things
Not according to the Jews.
The temple society is preparing to rebuild the temple, but not until the messiah returns. They have prepared instruments, furniture, clothing etc, but no building materials. They have not agreed on a location, they will allow the messiah to do that when he shows up.
The Jews have a daily prayer, like our “Our Father” that mentions and prays for the temple to be rebuilt after the messiah returns, and they now believe their sins are forgiven by good acts, not thru animal sacrifices, so any belief that the Jews will rebuild the temple and resume animal sacrifices is completely ludicrous at this point.
It‘s amazing what you find out when you do some actual research.
I have read the research saying the original spot of the temple is different, so I won’t argue that one. We sort of agree. Sort of.
But it seems to me that Chernobyl was very much on a biblical level seeing how it was the first of a series of nuclear meltdowns which I don’t think we’ve seen the last of yet. Chernobyl was significant because it was the start of ongoing worldwide disaster with these things. Fukishima is gradually poisoning the waters of the whole world. It’s all linked together.
So does Fukishima mean wormwood in Japanese?
The only thing that fits is a name. Nothing else. And it is out of order.
It is a clever argument, like Obama is the antichrist, but I’m not buying it.
jim
did you vote for obama? that would explain a lot.
I think this blood moon stuff is a whole bunch of wishful thinking by Christians who want the Lord to return ASAP. They will make a big story out of anything to keep their dream alive. We need to go about doing the Lord’s work and stop wasting time following this and other rabbit trails. The Bible codes, blood moons, green moons, orange moons, pink suns, red suns, purple suns and all this stuff is from Satan. All of us; INCLUDING MYSELF; need to spend more time and effort doing God’s work. This is just my opinion and I may be totally wrong. Time will tell.
@ James Elsea
Jesus himself told us the signs.
good point
interesting
Martin, nice try.
Marianne – the video is not so interesting, but adds to the frenzy. You like frenzy. 🙂
This clip does not provide the significance of the Hebrew Feasts on which the 2014-2015 blood moons occur.
Hebrew Feast days of Passover 2014 and 2015
Hebrew Feast days of Tabernacles 2014 and 2105
This is what makes this event so unique.
He does not a quick hit job without details. Cleaver, witty.
Details:
Click to access LinkTheEclipses.pdf
Click to access 20120616shelach-notes.pdf
Also, the total solar eclipse of 2015 is very unique.
As a total solar eclipse (sackcloth sun) – the event occurs on Spring Equinox over the Vatican (pagan sun worshipers with their obelisk) and Jerusalem.
His date calendar response is flawed to support his position.
1947 (UN proclamation goes forth) + 70 (years of generation, Psalm 90:10 and Jeremiah chapters 29-33) = 2017
All things will be complete (Matthew 24).
Add in the Jubilee count (49 years + 1) into the mix of years developed above.
Begin with 1917 and the Balfour Declaration:
“His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”
“The initial draft of the declaration, contained in a letter sent by Rothschild to Balfour, referred to the principle ‘that Palestine should be reconstituted as the National Home of the Jewish people’ (Stein, Leonard (1961). The Balfour Declaration. New York: Simon and Schuster. p. 470.)
1917 is a Jubilee year.
50 years later = 1967 and another Jubilee year.
“The liberation of Jerusalem in 1967 marked the first time in thousands of years that the entire city of Jerusalem, the holiest city in Judaism, was under Jewish sovereignty. The destruction of Jerusalem was a watershed event in Jewish history that began thousands of years of mourning for Jerusalem, so, it follows, that the reunification of Jerusalem should be a joyous celebration that begins the process of reversing thousands of years of destruction and exile. Jerusalem is central to the Jewish tradition. Jews face in the direction of Jerusalem and all of the prayer services are filled with references to Jerusalem.
Oct 14, 1967 (Hebrew calendar, 5728) + 49 years = 10th of Tishrei, 5777 = Wed, 12 October 2016.
Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Jews traditionally observe this holy day with a 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer, often spending most of the day in synagogue services. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes “the Days of Awe”).
Check out St. Peter’s Basilica with its Egyptian obelisk and sundial.
http://www.keyofsolomon.org/Pope%20Sixtus%20V.php
Does the Day of The Lord begins after the last Blood Moon, occurring on Feast of Tabernacles, 2015 (Hebrew calendar – Tishri, 5776)?
“Now concerning the times and the seasons (Hebrew Feasts), brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night…
But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.
For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation.
For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him” (1 Thess. 5:1-10, ESV).
Blessings
Psalm 27
the video was saying that the dates for feasts do not really match up with the blood moons, which happened on other days…did you view the video?
DJ,
I don’t know where you got the info that the path of the full solar eclipse goes thru Rome. The width of any solar eclipse is never more than 7 miles wide on the earth’s surface so it is EXTREMELY rare that it ever passes over a city… any city.
As for this eclipse, the path begins in the mid-Atlantic and continues north between Iceland and England but never crosses any land.
So unless the pope takes a pleasure cruise that day, your entire statement is completely bogus and once again whatever theory you are proposing is based on false information.
Here is a link (one of many) that describes the path of the eclipse:
http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/dates-of-next-lunar-and-solar-eclipses
One fair note… a partial eclipse (a small nick in the edge of the sun) will be visible from Rome but it will be so slight that if you didn’t know there was an eclipse going on you would never notice the slight darkening.
Also, according to Jewish tradition, a jubilee was only celebrated when all 12 tribes were together. After the 10 lost tribes went to Assyria jubilees were never celebrated and to this day the Jews do not celebrate them.
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12967-sabbatical-year-and-jubilee
From above site:
In short, the answer to your question is that the Jubilee year is currently not observed or commemorated.
You need to do more research before you decide to back these theories. As you know there are many You Tube idiots out there who make up complete lies (like Nibiru and the Mayan calendar) to create a wacky theory. If you intend to support these you need to research the topics carefully and make sure the facts line up. Many people on this site (and elsewhere) are guilty of this.
PS. I agree with you about the Vatican and the pope, but there is no need to lie about science to prove your point. I challenge you to find a news story on the eclipse day that shows the Vatican in total eclipse darkness. If you don’t think your statement will be proven true then I challenge you to come forward and admit that you are wrong.
Otherwise we can just wait and see…
Marianne,
Did I watch the video?
You’re so silly.
Yes I did.
Did you read both pdf files before your wrote your reply?
You need to answer the question cause we’re playing that game again.
Now – what?
You’re telling me – “the dates of the feasts don’t match up with the blood moons?”
This is truly an example of Frenzy in action.
Maybe you (anyone else following this thread) can find time to read/study the pdf files and watch this video from a subject expert.
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/1969900/events/2118265
Click to access 20120616shelach-notes.pdf
Click to access LinkTheEclipses.pdf
Silly blood moon frenzy about times and seasons (1 Thess. 5:1-10).
Now – what about Planet X? Any new, exciting news?!
A sign – this BIG Planet or a LARGE star in the heaven (somewhere in our solar system) would be more obvious than anything else we could possibly see in blood moons on Hebrew Feast days (Passover/Tabernacles 2014-15) and sackcloth sun on Spring Equenox (2015).
The Frenzy lives on for another day!
God bless you.
the video said there was no blood moon in 1948, but in 1949
and other examples, and math errors pointed out
so the question is, what is true about the blood moons and what is not?
so i am not playing a game….this is a genuine challenge to the blood moon theory, so I have to look at what it says
i just pulled you out of spam btw…you had links that held you up
James
I’m busy right now. Back to your comment later, with links.
Total Solar Eclipse
on Spring Equinox
over Vatican and Jerusalem.
Try that trifecta. All three.
Add to that trifecta the blood moons on 2 Hebrew Feast days (Passover/Tabernacles) in back to back years (2014-15).
Look up St. Peter’s Basilica.
In busy now. I must be going.
Where’s Marianne? We need more frenzy!
Blessings
1 Thess 5:1-10
Hello, you must be going!
I Googled what you suggested but still only came up with correct eclipse maps. Facts are facts. I didn’t even find any crazy theory sites but perhaps they’ve all been shamed out of existence by now.
Good luck trying to prove me wrong though.
🙂
James,
Are we doing the frenzy dance for Marianne?
I asked you to look up (Google?) St. Peter’s Basilica.
Connect the dots James.
You propose Rome with its 7 hills to be the home of darkness and evil?
I asked you to look at the layout of St. Peter’s Basilica with its pagan Egyptian obelisk sundial to see a bit of significance to a Total Solar Eclipse on Spring Equinox within visual sight of da Pope’s sundial.
Those pagans who worship the sun (where we find an obsession with obelisks and pyramids) pay attention to Equinox.
Now – back to this particular total solar eclipse trifecta (odds of all 3 occurring).
We all know the following –
Total Solar Eclipse occur regularly. Simple.
Total Solar Eclipse over the Eastern Hemisphere occurs periodically. Simple.
Total Solar Eclipse viable over Vatican and Jerusalem occurs periodically. Simple.
Now – we can see a bit more uniqueness in this event than the common man/woman realize. You’re not common.
A Total Solar Eclipse on Spring Equinox occurs far, far less frequently.
So, let’s put this solar eclipse trifecta together.
James – focus on a total solar eclipse (not partial) visible within the Eastern Hemisphere (Vatican and Jerusalem), occurring on Spring Equinox, 2015.
1) A Total Solar Eclipse (2) over Eastern Hemisphere, visible to Vatican with it’s pagan obelisk/sundial and (3) on Spring Equinox.
Oh!
Now consider this Total Solar Eclipse (paying close attention to the trifecta) occurring while there are 4 blood moons (total lunar eclipses), occurring on 4 Hebrew Feast days (2 Passover and 2 Tabernacles) in both 2014 and 2015.
Now, I must be going.
God Bless you, seriously!
the frenzy dance is for the Lord… 🙂
the more we dance, the more we learn!
dj
I do sleep sometime, sweetheart. 🙂
DJ,
Did you know that solar eclipses that occur on the day before and the day after the equinox are equally rare? Same for every day of the year.
And since most total solar eclipses are followed by a lunar eclipse 2 weeks later, this is to be expected, it is not unusual.
Now, I’ve been saying for years that the Vatican is “Mystery Babylon” the great false church and the 2nd beast do Revelation. The pope is the False Prophet and will institute mandatory “Sun worship” which will be the mark of the (Vatican) beast.
So you’re preaching to the choir there. But I don’t agree that the eclipses foretell anything imminent. If Jesus returns in 2031 when I believe, these signs are a bit premature for my taste.
Israel becoming a nation was a real sign but it came 82 years before my expected Second Coming date, yet I’ll bet there were folks back then that claimed that Christ would return within the year. (Well they would have if they only had YouTube).
So, exactly what do you think will happen the day of the eclipse? Or are you using it to bolster the idea that Jesus will return in 2017 because of the jubilee theory? How about this theory… Jesus died on a jubilee year and he will return 40 jubilees later? That sounds far more biblical to me. Otherwise your idea does not honor His resurrection and ascension to the throne.
Shame on you for that.
I just added automatic video curation to my website, and in doing so came across the following video:
http://www.nicetiming.com/2014/07/01/pope-francis-warns-any-personal-relationship-w-jesus-is-dangerous-news/
I think this statement alone qualifies the pope as both antichrist and false prophet.
This site has much that is correct when it comes to the Vatican and the pope. But they promote the rapture and a 7-year tribulation which is false. They also claim the pope is the antichrist and the False Prophet but there is no antichrist, only the beast, which is a kingdom, not a person.
They are also expecting a 7-year peace agreement which is an improper interpretation of Daniel’s 70-week prophecy.
And they also think the temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will soon start but according to Israel that will never happen.
And Russia is not planning to invade Israel. They have no reason to, there are no resources there and they have no religious reason to wipe Israel off the map and incur the wrath of the U.S.
So they got some stuff right and much else wrong.
Personally I enjoyed the Groucho Marx video the best.
You may be right on a lot of that.
jim
i assume you are mixing the opinions of those who come to this site with the actual postings which are presented.
I am not aware of anyone who thinks the pope is the AC….
i do not expect a 7 year peace agreement. daniel says there is a last week, and there is a covenant with many, but he does not explain what kind of covenant it is.
there will be an abomination of desolation in the “holy place” so that portion of the temple area has to be present in some form.
ezech 38-39 predicts an invasion from gog, the land of the far north.
rapture for me happens at the second coming, acc to Matt 24, and Jesus, which is at the end of the tribulation, not the beginning
By the way Jim, I really don’t know about the age of the earth, but did you know you can scientifically prove dinosaurs were alive withing the past 20,000 years?
See http://www.nicetiming.com/scientific-proof-dinosaurs-were-alive-recently/
I’m not sure what this video proves. He had no proof that the fossil was from a triceratops. And I would like to know what rock layer the bone was found in. If the rocks were from the Triassic or Jurassic period then the fossil would also have to be that old. You can’t find a 20,000 year old fossil in 100 million year-old rocks.
I personally have found wood in a uranium mine in Utah which were millions of years old. It is rare to find unfossilized wood or other organic material in rocks that old but it has happened on a few occasions.
If you are trying to assert that millions of dinosaurs were roaming the earth 20,000 years ago based on one unusual find, I’m not buying it.
And if your trying to claim the earth is only 20,000 years old then you need to get out more. 🙂
you are correct
Actually, it’s not just one find.
However it’s no big deal to me if you don’t believe this, but how come you take other things in the Bible literally, yet not the creation account?
Nice,
Those Pope statements along with Rick Warren’s enthusiastic acceptance – “he’s our Pope” and what you’ll see in this video from the charismatic, pentecostal preacher Kenneth Copland sure helps fill in the deception, falling away requirement.
Did you see this?
Watch all the way through – the congregation is led by Kenny into the gift of speaking in tongues.
One of the signs of a disciple of Christ is “speaking in tongues” as well as other signs and gifts (Mark 16:17-18).
Where witnessing in this video one of the false signs that deceives many. There are other signs and wonders that will deceive many more.
I think da Pope maybe making the way for the AC.
Blessings
Psalm 37
I am so tired of you satanist protestants. The Pope can never be the AC. The AC will deny that G-d have a son and that Yehoshua is the Messiah. You can not be a Christian-diacon-priest-bishop-Pope and deny this things. The pedophile/necrophile and Nero and other crazy people said this after John but the Pope will never say such things.
Hell is waiting for you protestants.
Psalm 9
Rev 21
etc
Remember what Yehoshua said that is written in Didache 8:3. Hypocrites fast on mon and thu. Only protestants have done this.
You are all a bunch of hypocrites. Period!
You have got to be kidding
I believe there was another earth age before Adam and Eve. I can’t take the creation story literally because I have aver 100 units in geology and have studied much of the west in person and there is no way these places could be created in one day, or even 6000 years. The only way to reconcile the bible with reality is to assume the bible is speaking metaphorically with a prophetic purpose in mind. Remember, until 100 years ago we didn’t know how the earth was formed (through science) so even if the bible tried to describe creation correctly, no one would have a clue what it might be saying. So it was dumbed down and simplified for those people of ancient times. It doesn’t mean that the bible is wrong. God works in His own ways and it is up to us to try to understand Him.
Ah, Jim… you’ve fallen into my carefully laid logic trap!
It is inconsistent for you to take one section of the Bible metaphorically and then pour scorn on those who speculate that other parts of the Bible – Revelation for example – MAYBE have a little mataphor here and there, and MAYBE even speak in code instead of outright black and white clarity, and so you possibly COULD be wrong.
I notice so many people have so much emotional investment in their own take on the Bible. They cling to it because they feel they have a logical approach and if it’s shown they’ve got it wrong, then it really hurts their ego.
I know it’s not yet proven if you are right or wrong on some subjects BUT in the past I’VE had to reexamine a number of my own beliefs about several things that I was quite sure about, so be prepared to handle it IF things don’t follow your exact predictions in the future.
geology cannot explain God.
DJ, As a Jesuit I wonder if the pope took the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction which can be read in full at the following link: http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html
including the paragraph in red! The pope is wooing the whole world, and I wonder how many even know about this history. If they do, they are sure quick to “forgive and forget.”
Nice,
Thanks for sharing that bit of wickedness. The Vatican’s hit men, yes?
You may find some interesting bits of information regarding Rome in this short presentation.
You can watch as much of the following as you like. There are pieces of intel within the production.
Thanks for the Pope’s Hit Men oath. Deep dark secrets are within da Vatican.
Blessings
According to rev 13 the whole world will wonder at the beast. The pope (False Prophet) image of the beast (Vatican) will do all sorts of things to bring all Christians under the Vaticans power. I predicted the last pope (this one) would try to make the whole world love him and follow him and he is doing exactly that. Soon the Holy Roman Empire will be restored and the Vatican will be give full religious authority in the European Union. The Muslim uprisings will force this to happen.
Then look for the Vatican to enforce mandatory Sunday worship in a move to force out the Muslims – the mark of the beast – so no Muslim can do business unless he follows the beasts day of worship, which is pagan. No RFID chips needed. No New World Order. No One-World Government. Just the European Union and the Vatican doing their thing.
You watch…
jim
thought question, which i have asked before:
the beast hates the woman, and kills her
do you see the vatican turning against the pope?
@ Jim Giordano
Correct!
The Pope is the false prophet the blasphemes.
The Holy Roman Empire is the church/state established by the 1929 Lateran treaty. The Whore/church rides the beast/Roman State.
Mandatory Sunday worship will be the mark/idol of the beast/state.
The Vatican state will have the power to pull this off, if it doesn’t have the power already. No one will be able to buy or sell unless they pledge allegiance to Sunday.
No RFID chips needed. No New World Order. No One-World Government. Just the European Union and the Vatican doing their thing.
Dan
Dan,
Glad we are on the same page here.
Now I won’t be the only one to be laughed at around here when I state the truth.
🙂
Jim,
Yes. The truth is more horrible than most know.
— The Pope is the false prophet and little horn that blasphemes
— The Whore/church rides the beast/Roman State.
— The Holy Roman Empire is the church/state re-established by
the 1929 Lateran treaty. The mortal wound was healed
— Mandatory Sunday worship will be implemented. It’s already started
— The nightmare has begun
Dan
dan
mandatory sunday worship?
i do not believe that.
what I do believe is people will be forced to bow down to allah or get their heads cut off.
Mandatory submission to the icon/idol/mark of the beast is of course prophetic.
The icon or “idol” of the beast is Sunday worship as opposed to the shabbat. The Catholic church admits that it exercised it’s ecclesiastical authority in changing the day Biblical day of worship. Sunday worship being the idol(correct interpretation) of the beast best fits prophecy.
I’m certain heads will get chopped off as well, for different reasons.
Either way, legislation is already drafted for national Sunday observance. There is no escaping the reality of this.
Dan
dan
where did you see this legislation?
now you KNOW the muslims will not go along with that.
Sunday worship legislation has been drafted for some time, and waiting for reason for implementation. Implementation was considered in the US over 100 years ago. Sunday worship is the icon/idol/mark of authority of the beast, and it will be enforced to whatever degree.
The Muslims are owned by the beast lock, stock and barrel. Islam was an invention of the Jesuits and/or their predecessors.
How this actualizes will be interesting. Sunday enforcement may just be for Christians. There exist over 500 Sabbatarian sects.
sunday worship is not too exciting..
how are we to be barred from buying and selling, using sunday as a mark?
I know. Sunday worship seems kind of benign, and yet it’s an issue for the beast.
Good question about how we would be barred from buying and selling. Technology today might bring about the mechanisms of enforcement.
In 2002 Pope John Paul 2 signed such a documenting outlawing worship on any day but Sunday while on a conference with bishops in Brazil. Right now he has no power to enforce it in any nations but when the restored Holy Roman Empire is formed, the pope will be given such power in Europe. Blue laws will be implemented forcing business owners to close on Sunday and remain open all other days. Muslims will not go along with this of course, and will be force to move out or convert. A taste of their own medicine forced on them by fed-up Christians.
And Obama will have nothing to do with it.
You are correct. Sunday worship legislation exists. Some of it has been implemented to a degree.
The day of worship question is far more important than most realize. People need to understand that it’s already happening.
— Blue laws will be implemented
— Businesses will be forced to comply
— Sunday worship fits the mark/idol of the beast prophecy
— Sunday worship will be posed as a virtue and likely meet minimum resistance. Many will likely clamor for it.
http://www.jlfoundation.net/papacy.html
The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Canada, September 1, 1923: “Sunday is our MARK of authority…the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.”
There is no scripture basis for Sunday sacredness
http://www.sundaylaw.net/opening/enter.htm
“In Europe, the Sunday Law issue is expected to be contentious as Pope John Paul II continues to press for mandatory Sunday closing laws” (Church & State, May, 1992).
As recently as July, 1998, the Pope, in his Apostolic Letter, Dies Domini, was quoted as saying that a violator should be “punished as a heretic” (Detroit News, July 7, 1998).
Currently, the Vatican is asking the “civil authorities” to cooperate with the Church in legislation of Sunday as the nation’s day of rest.
“The civil authorities should be urged to cooperate with the church in maintaining and strengthening this public worship of God, and to support with their own authority the regulations set down by the church’s pastors. For it is only in this way that the faithful will understand why it is Sunday and not the Sabbath day that we now keep holy” (Roman Catechism, 1985, emphasis supplied).
Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles.…From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.”—Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, 1900.
“Sunday is our mark of authority.…The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” The Catholic Record, London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
A Catechism
“Question: Which day is the Sabbath?”
“Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath.”
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”
“Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, by Peter Geiermann, 50
The Greek word used for “mark” is “Charagma” (#5480 in Strong’s Concordance), and it translates “stamp (as a badge of servitude), mark.”
“The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant…changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.” Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1893.
“…prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the Holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says `Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says, No. By my divine power I abolish the sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church.” Priest Thomas Enright, Redemptorist Catholic College, Kansas City, Mo., lecture “Sunday in History”, p 56, February 18, 1884.
The Mark of the Beast is NOT a literal mark, NOT a lazar mark, NOT a credit card, NOT an implanted chip, NOT a National ID Number, and NOT a giant computer, but it is a symbolic mark! Although all of these items may be used to coerce and force us to bow and worship on Sunday, yet they are not the Mark of the Beast. This symbolic mark will not be ON, but will be either IN the forehead–signifying mental acceptance, or that you believe Sunday is the sabbath. Or IN the hand–signifying service, or that you may not necessarily believe Sunday is the sabbath, but you will go along with it anyway.
For anyone to claim that the “mark” of the beast is anything other than Sunday worship, is deceived.
Sunday worship will be a HUGE issue, and that issue is just about upon us
I agree. Sunday worship is from Satan.
A prominent Republican delivered a direct request to Mitt Romney not long ago: He should make a third run for the presidency, not for vanity or redemption, but to answer a higher calling from his faith. Believing that Mr. Romney, a former Mormon pastor, would be most receptive on these grounds, the Republican made the case that Mr. Romney had a duty to serve, and said Mr. Romney seemed to take his appeal under consideration.”
These next words seem to point to the Mormon prophecy known as the “White Horse Prophecy”.
“… now as Mr. Romney mulls a new run for the White House, friends and allies said, his abiding Mormon faith is inextricably tied to his sense of service and patriotism, and a facet of his life that he is determined to embrace more openly in a possible third campaign. Kirk Jowers, a Mormon family friend who lives in Utah and chaired Mr. Romneys leadership PAC, said that Mr. Romneys contemplation of a third bid is motivated by an ‘almost devout belief that he needs to do something for this country’.
What is that “something for his country” that has seized Mitt Romney?
As former Mormon/Freemason, Bill Schnoebelen, reveals on this DVD, “Mormonism’s Temple of Doom”, the Mormon Church has a prophecy known as the “White Horse Prophecy”. This prophetic utterance is also known as the prophecy of the One mighty and strong. This is not public, formal LDS doctrine, but it was taught by many leaders of the Church and is still taught today. It is said by LDS leadership that when the Constitution is in dire peril, one will come who is mighty and strong. He will come riding (figuratively perhaps) on a white horse and will wield awesome political and spiritual power.
This mysterious priesthood elder would somehow seize control of the US government to prevent the total abrogation of the Constitution. He would assume total power and create an LDS Kingdom in America. At that time, this one mighty and strong would be proclaimed the new Prophet (First President) of the LDS church and would also be president of the United States. Thus, he would wield both supreme political power of the most powerful nation on earth and also be the Prophet, Seer and Revelator of the LDS Church.
To a Bible-believer, all of this sounds chillingly like the description of the man of sin (2 Thess. 2:3) or the Anti-Christ. He will be a great political leader (Rev. 13:2) but with a religious component (Rev. 13:4). He will control commerce and especially food distribution (Rev. 13:17). But most Mormons do not see that connection. They believe he will be a mighty spiritual and political leader who will save the USA from destruction and ultimately bring peace to the world.
If we see a renewed push to the White House from Mitt Romney which is based upon his Mormon beliefs, and if the threat to the U.S. Constitution remains strong, we may see a fulfillment of this “White Horse Prophecy”!
martin
since the constitution is currently being used as toilet paper by this government, the elections, i believe are over.
bozo will not leave office….he thinks he deserves to stay, and no one stops him.
besides, romney caved in at the last debate…I saw it in his eyes…and he just let bozo win the debate….he will do it again….so even if there is another election in 2016, he would not be the best choice…rather someone who will fight and not give in.
Correct Marianne
The constitution means nothing to these “people”. The constitution is being destroyed for the same reason the presidency is being destroyed. To dis-empower the people.
Bozo may not leave office. That’s consistent with their motive to dis-empower the people. They already have two “men” in the White House living an abomination, and the press won’t touch that subject! Certainly not after Joan Rivers died. Reporting on homosexuals in the White House is kryptonite for any reporter.
Romney was in on the scam. Obama was the heir apparent. Obama and his husband are definitely anti-Christ.
Dr. Ben Carson hasn’t got a prayer of winning the Presidency unless he’s somehow in the script. Ben Carson is Seventh Day Adventist by the way.
I’m afraid that America as we knew it is gone
Dan
yes …..we are “toast.”
someone sent me this online “game” but watch as it unfolds as the nations attack USA and USA attacks back
the USA targets are mainly inside the USA!
http://map.ipviking.com/
notice also the attacker organizations….and locations…it is like they already know.
Interesting “game”.
For some time now, the USA has been in the process of being taken down. It now seems to be accelerating. It wouldn’t be surprising if America were to take some significant “hits”.
In any case, there are far more things in play than most are aware of. Even things that the Vatican wasn’t counting on. Like Fukushima and the polar methane emergency to name just two, that are extinction level events within our lifetimes
The great whore might attempt some interesting ploys to attempt to appease “the Gods”.
Dan
Interesting
Of course, it’s known that the Mormonism, like many religions, is controlled by Catholicism, and has been since it’s inception.
The “Man of sin” who takes away the “daily”(the presumption to forgive our sins in Christ’s stead) was/is the pope/papacy. This concept of priests forgiving sin was not new, and was set in motion by Semeramis/Ishtar of Babylon.
The “whore” is Roman Catholicism, and it controls far more than most know. Roman Catholicism influenced most, if not all religions that had their genesis in 19th century America.
Roman Catholicism controls Islam
So, to most, things are not what they seem
dan
I think the woman who rides the beast is the catholic church, maybe, and the beast is Islam.
the beast hates,and will kill the woman
A “Beast” is a nation or state. The beasts of Revelation were all nations or states. For instance, the legs of iron(of Nebuchadnezzar’s image) represented the nation state of Rome.
The “whore” of revelation has always been an apostate church.
The whore of Revelation with the cup of the blood of Martyrs is the Papacy, or Roman Catholicism.
The whore/church rides the beast/reborn Roman empire. The Vatican became a church/state again in 1929 by the Lateran treaty. Hence, church and state combined
The virgin or pure woman is the pure church, and is persecuted by the final beast ridden by the woman/whore.
Obama was “installed” in the presidency by the Jesuits. Obama is Catholic. Claiming that he is Muslim is a ruse.
Islam is wholly controlled by Catholicism. They are mere puppets.
Dan
whoever installed him is one thing
but he LOVES….LOVES……LOVES……the muslims
he does not defend christians / catholics ….only muslims
@Marianne
You are correct. He expresses affinity for Islam. He does not defend Christians/Catholics….only Muslims. Still, he takes his orders from the Jesuits. The question is, to what end.
Obozo forsakes the natural affection of women in favor of men. This is a huge sign that we should not ignore
Dan
I knew what he was before he took office…those around me thought I was “being negative.”
No, not negative. You were being realistic. Obozo was being obvious as hell about being Muslim.
Wow, Obama isn’t even out of office yet and there is a new theory that Romney will be the antichrist! I can’t wait to hear the theory that Hillary will be the antichrist! It doesn’t matter who becomes the president, they will always be called the antichrist by these theorists.
And the idea that Obama will simply stay in power by proclaiming he is Master of the Universe or some such thing that might convince congress to simply dissolve elections and keep him in power. Yeah, right.
The next few years are going to be very interesting to me. With all the 2017 hype with the blood moons etc there are so many Second Coming theories that must come to fruition very soon or else the creators will look like idiots.
I’ve noticed lately that these proponents are becoming ever more desperate to see their theories come true that they are coming up with some clever ideas to keep their theories alive (such as that day shortening silliness).
Dan is correct that the Roman Catholic Church is the whore that rides the Vatican beast. The pope is the image that controls the Vatican beast and will become the False Prophet. The Muslims are not involved. There is no antichrist. There is no mention of an antichrist in Revelation. Only the beast, False Prophet and Satan.
There are actually four beasts in Revelation. The 7th and 8th Kings are also kingdoms but they are revived beasts (the Roman empire and the Holy Roman empire) so John doesn’t see them rising (birthing) out of the earth as he does the first two.
So, the “beast” that hates the woman is the 7th king (European Union – restored Holy Roman Empire) turning on the Roman Catholic Church after they realize it is their following of church policies (mandatory Sunday worship) is causing them to incur the 7 last plagues and they will turn on the church and the Vatican and destroy them.
So, anyone who claims any American president will become the antichrist is going to look silly pretty soon once they discover there will be no New World Order and no One World Dictator. Such a thing will never happen.
Get over it!
the vatican and europe are 2 different things..so make up your mind who the beast is. you just contradicted yourself.
o will stay in office . 2016 elections will be a joke.
It’s quite possible that Obozo will remain in office. There are too many things that he’s gotten away with to dismiss the possibility that he will allowed to stay in office.
Obozo’s illegal “presidency” was meant to be “in our faces”, as was his homosexuality and abominable “marriage” to a man.
Oh well, the second CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA formed by Washington in 1789 is that of a corporation. We’ve been a corporation since then. Everything American has been a joke for over two centuries. Why should the presidency respected when everything else has been subverted?
Are the people placating elections soon to be over?
Dan
I think half the people do not care, and the other half have given up
I think you’re right. And that’s likely the way “they” want it. Destroy people’s sensibilities, and they’ll accept anything.
It’s interesting that no news agency will touch the gay Obama question, or the transgender Michelle question. The opposition knew about it at both elections and said NOTHING. Most ministers won’t touch the subject
I think that the blood moon tetrad is more significant than some think. It’s the first tetrad of the seventh millenium, and coupled with a solar eclipse.
if I was in a high up news position, I would have said something….
and then
that would have been the last of me, but at least it got spoken out what needed to be said.
and the politically correct people can just deal with it.
True. Joan Rivers death was too proximal to her death to be dismissed as coincidental.
Tell me something,
If Michelle Obama was once a man, how did she mother two children?
If the opposition KNEW this you can bet they would have brought it up.All they could try to do is prove he was not born in the US but even the Trumpster had to give up on that. Surely he could afford a private dick to prove the transgender thing. The proof lies in YouTube videos and just like Nibiru, they are all fake.
And Marianne, your reputation at bible prophecy is now on the line… If Obama does not somehow convince the country to suspend the election process pretty soon then he will only be able to accomplish this with a military coup. Is that what you are suggesting? That our serving military will disavow their pledge to uphold the constitution? Where do you thing you are, Cuba?
Give me a break. You WILL look like a fool along with all those numerology followers who have been counting on 2017 for the last 40 years.
I’m patient. I will wait.
But I won’t forget…
She’s not the mother of those children
Got a DNA test to prove that?
I have heard o call her Michael in speeches..a little slip of the tongue or he did it on purpose.??
O is the “in your face” type of person.
I have seen his dress too tight and his bump (penis) show.
I have heard others that knew them say the “wife” was a “he”
have you never heard of adoption?
he is illegal. everything about the Os is a fake and a lie
but you believe him.
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you voted for him, didn’t you?
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O has hired debunkers to visit christian websites and other websites to counter the truth as it is told….I think you are one that he has hired to do this, because this is all you want to do is discredit
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opposition party in congress is a bunch of cowards….they know o is a fake and his mate is a man but no one is talking…..people die after opposing him so they keep their mouth shut and play politics.
congress, with few exceptions, is a bunch of wh*res.
they get paid….and they want to keep getting paid.
Joan Rivers was correct, and likely killed for it. Michelle Obama is transgender, and Barrack is gay.
The daughters are adopted at best. There is no way that Michelle/Michael gave birth to anyone.
o will not have to “convince” anyone to suspend the elections.
he already just does what he wants..and no one stops him..
the ones who tried are dead.
Marianne,
Do you remember the Holy Roman Empire? For 1260 years all of Europe was controlled by the Vatican. That was the 1st bast of Revelation. The Vatican empire (1929) was the second. When they recombine to create a restored Holy Roman Empire they will be one in the same for a short space. History will repeat itself.
yes, the roman empire fell because the army became a bunch of q*eers….
the same will happen again, esp since the leader is one.
Awwww Martin,
Just heard on the news Romney will not run for prez… There goes your whole white horse prophecy thing. I doubt that another Mormon will run for the office any time soon.
So looks like you need to switch over to the whole Obama antichrist theory or wait to see who else runs. But that whole white horse thing is now out the window.
😦
nice,
In response to this way above…
Ah, Jim… you’ve fallen into my carefully laid logic trap!
There is no trap.
There are bible verses that are metaphors, others are literal and many are described by imagery that would only be understood by people who lived in biblical times. It is up to the reader to figure out which is which.
For example, many people believe the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and the red sea crossing are mere metaphors for God’s destructive power but were not actual events. But The ark, Sodom and chariot wheels under the Red Sea have now proven those stories to be literal.
But geology has proven the creation story to be a metaphor because a brand new earth would never look like it does unless God wanted to fool us into thinking science is right and the bible is wrong but I don’t see the logic in doing that. If God wanted us to be able to prove that His words are true He would have made the earth quite differently.
Many Christians have this same belief and I am fine with it as it lets me know that both science and the bible are correct.
If not I would have failed 100 units of college geology. Remember, without science there would be no technology and we would be back in the dark ages. We certainly wouldn’t be talking here.
You are right about people embracing ideas to the very end, refusing to realize they were wrong. This topic – the blood moons – will cause many to have to abandon long-held theories. Same will happen with the end of the Obama presidency, without incident.
And I too have changed my beliefs from time to time as I learn new things. I used to believe in the “Left Behind” scenario with a New World Order, One-World Government, chip in the hand and so on. But the more I studied, the less I believed it. I grew up catholic too, but I came out of her a while ago, when I learned the truth.
So I am no stranger to changing one’s mind, but as an engineer I have a knack for research and determining which ideas are viable and those that border on the verge of ridiculous.
So when someone says the president will refuse to leave office and get away with it, is think, “Ridiculous!” And you know what? So far all the ridiculous theories I have challenged over the years have all gone down with the ship. Every one.
And I’m expecting a bunch more to bite the dust in the near future.
Just wait and see.
you are in denial.
o does what he wants.
and no one stops him because they don’t want to be called a racist, or anti gay.
Obama is protected by the most powerful and influential group in the world. Obama will not cross them. Further, Obama does nothing without their blessing.
The fix is in boys and girls
Dan
amen….we are screwed by a fraud and a bunch of cowards……
Yes. I’ve often wondered what he was poised to reveal.
the truth, of course
you are as bad as me… you should be asleep!
physically, of course, not politically….
no one believes flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and the red sea crossing are mere metaphors
except the muslims and atheists who do not believe bible
So do you believe that the beast with ten heads and 7 horns is an actual creature? Are you claiming that everything is literal?
If not then the creation story may not be literal either.
Insomnia
In regards to MicheleObama, exactly when and where was her/his sex change operation performed?
I’ve researched her early life which is well documented including thousands of high school photos where she ran a school newspaper. She went to school with a daughter of Jesse Jackson. Thousands of people knew her as a child and she was always a girl.
So this operation must have been performed in secret when she was a toddler by parents who knew that one day “he” would marry a man who would become president so they butchered their child for that nefarious purpose.
Sometimes You Tube idiots can make up lies that are hard to disprove, like the Mayan calendar marking the end of the world, but in this case in order to prove the lie you would have to dismiss tens of thousands of historical documents, birth records, friend / family recollections and photos etc, in order to believe a slanderous lie with the only intention of confirming a ridiculous theory that Obama is there antichrist. Even a fifth grader would never be fooled by such nonsense. Simple logic (of which you have none) should tell you that the odds of such a conspiracy being pulled of is virtually infinitely impossible.
Yet some people are so intent on believing their theories that they will abandon all common sense and decency and believe any scrap of a lie if it makes their theory seem more plausible. Is this how Jesus would conduct a search for truth? Are you acting in the true manner of Christianity? You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You are not doing God any favors by this kind of prophecy. You are acting more like Muslims, using lies and deceit, than the followers of God.
I didn’t vote for Obama, I’m Republican, but I’m not going to slander someone with obvious lies just to make a point. Its a commandment, you know. You owe it to God to look into things more before trashing His prophetic word with lies suitable of Satan.
Personally, I hate Obama’s policies but Jesus told us to love our enemies and it seems that many people here don’t give a damn what Jesus said.
Rant concluded…
there are pictures of michael ( michelle) on his football team in high school.
the operation obviously did not happen as a baby
this was michael’s decision, not his parents. notice they are never interviews by the media
and with obama admitting that she is a he in his speeches, which I have heard him say, that settles it.
distorted some but the point is made
Yes. The point is made
It’s now painfully obvious that Michael/Michelle is a man choosing to live as a woman.
Many are looking for proof of Michelle’s gender reassignment surgery. Such surgery is not requisite to live as a transvestite. Merely dressing and behaving as a woman is being a transvestite.
Some have difficulty getting their heads around the mere possibility that there might exist conspiracy with regard to Obamas, to the extent that’s obvious to others.
— The evidence of Barack’s homosexuality is overwhelming.
— The evidence of Michelle’s masculinity is overwhelming.
Dan
Dan,
This video present the evidence. It’s obvious and everybody knows, according to the deceased Joan Rivers.
Blessings
Danial
video ok, but they are wrong about fingers. a female can have a ring finger longer than the index, I have no idea where they got that
True about finger lengths.
Michelle just has so many male dominant features that it’s now hard to conclude that she’s a woman.
Marianne,
The producer do the video is not “wrong” – ring fingers are one (1) physical trait that a vast majority of men/women have – not 100% for every man/woman.
You are quick with the negative commentary and it’s about as helpful as James.
There are several identifier.
When assessing all identifiers – a reasonable person can conclude that she is a he.
Hello, I must be going.
dj
yes it is wrong.
my ring finger is longer than my index finger and I am NOT a man
nothing on me has changed since birth either.
this is only about the fingers
Marianne.
I’m arguing about wrong.
Funny.
Your wrong about the video being wrong. 😦
2 minute and 15 seconds into this video the producer explains by diagram 95% male and 98% female. It is not 100% for every male and every female.
You are one of the exemption (2%). Congratulations for being in the top 2% of all females on the planet.
The video is not wrong. You are wrong for saying the video is wrong.
Admit it – you are wrong. 😦
You made an actuation that the video was wrong.
The video is not wrong.
The video presents a very good, reasonable case based on forensic evidence for Michael dressing and acting like Michelle.
The video is not wrong. Silly.
Thanks for playing the role of James in his absence. 🙂
Have a nice day. 🙂
Now, I must be going.
Blessings to you.
Hebrews 13:20-21
so that is the point…it is not definite,…..but the woman goes on, and on, and on, about the fingers
maybe many women have this ratio but it is not an absolute
here are some images of women’s hands and you can see that the index finger is not longer than the ring finger
Correct DJ,
Evidence that Michelle Obama is a man is STAGGERING. This story is front page news worthy, yet few news agencies or pundits will touch the topic.
Joan River’s death is certainly suspicious.
I believe that the Obama conspiracy was meant to be in our faces.
James,
Hello, I must be going.
Blessings
Psalm 64
Dan,
The LDS Church is a cult version of Freemasonry. It’s all about money, power and aspiring to be like god.
Mormons and Masons have one vision in common.
Romney and his wife aspire to be father/mother gods of their own universe just like the Masons have elevated George Washington (33 degree Mason).
This link explains George’s aspired position. However, George is in Hell today because he bought the lie (Genesis 3:5).
“In the central group of the fresco, Brumidi depicted George Washington rising to the heavens in glory, flanked by female figures representing Liberty and Victory/Fame. A rainbow arches at his feet, and thirteen maidens symbolizing the original states flank the three central figures.
The word “apotheosis” in the title means literally the raising of a person to the rank of a god, or the glorification of a person as an ideal; George Washington was honored as a national icon [god] in the nineteenth century.”
http://www.aoc.gov/capitol-hill/other-paintings-and-murals/apotheosis-washington
Yes indeed, they (founding fathers – Freemasons) perceive George to be a god.
Blessings
Psalm 27
All true.
Well, soon Obama will be out of office and Romney will not be the republican nominee so all this ridiculous BS will be a thing of the past and you will all look like the You Tube idiots that created all this furor. Same applies to Nibiru by the way.
And none of it has anything to do with bible prophecy. I think you all just enjoy putting powerful people down to make yourselves look superior. You are so gullible to believe in every YouTube video you watch as if it is gospel truth and are willing to make up all sorts of conspiracy theories to go along with it all.
And then you are bewildered why the big respectable news agencies have never published these stories. Not even the enquirer! Why not? Because they need proof, not YouTube lies or they would be sued for libel. Someday they may apply libel laws to YouTube and just see how fast all these videos disappear!
But go ahead and have your vindictive gossip sessions as long as you like. You are worse than Jr. High school girls pretending to be vessels of God. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
BTW, Wikipedia has photos of Michelle in high school. She was not on the football team. These are public records, not YouTube videos. But why believe hundreds of historical documents when you have a YouTube video for proof?
You guys are worse than Jr High kids.
quote:
“I think you all just enjoy putting powerful people down to make yourselves look superior”
this sounds like your behavior, not ours. we are just legitimately concerned with the welfare of this country, but apparently you are brainwashed and think everything is ok. you are a government idiot
news media is liberal. and politically correct, not truthful.
public records have been falsified. just like the birth certificates.
pictures of michelle “obama” in 1978????? listed as M. Robinson.
she was born in 1964
that means she / it was married at 14 years of age.
records claim she / it did not get married until 1992
how do we know these pictures are her / him?
obama calls her Michael….why is that?
Probably the most damning evidence regarding the Obama’s sexuality are the Joan Rivers video and the video of Barack addressing the Joint Chiefs of staff and referring to Michelle as Michael. Talk about a Freudian slip. Such evidence is electrifying and not easily dismissed. As far as I am concerned, it’s conclusive evidence
The Obamas are super freaks. There is now no doubt. What’s disturbing is the depth of conspiracy necessary to perpetuate such obvious lies.
The Obamas are trouble any way you slice it.
Hey Marianne,
I just saw a YouTube video that explains exactly how president Obama will become dictator of a One-World Government.
It is fairly simple…
You know all those DUMBs he has been building around the country? Turns out he has used DNA scientists to recreate unicorns and is storing millions of them in huge underground breeding centers.
He plans to offer a free unicorn to every family if they vote to keep him in office, and of course, who could refuse an actual unicorn?
After he completes his plan in the U.S. he will go worldwide and take over the earth thru a “peace, love and unicorns” platform. The world will be enthralled and will gladly accept him as their leader.
He will be called God since only God could create a unicorn and soon unicorns will become the universal currency of earth. Due to their size it would not be practical to carry them around and chop them up to make change so everyone will receive a chip and a unicorn account based on the number of unicorns they own. Trading live unicorns will be banned so without the chip you could not buy or sell commodities like food and gas.
All of this may sound far fetched but it all makes perfect sense, so it must be true. The fact that it is on YouTube means it must be true, so there you go…
The antichrist exposed!
you are a government troll, here to debunk, and support obama.
you voted republican?
what a joke.
I hate Obama. He is a liberal idiot and thinks if he is nice to Muslims they will be nice to us. Watch the movie. “2016 Obama’s America” and you will understand how he thinks. The problem is he’s wrong and America is suffering because of his reluctance to fight terror groups or to even call the Muslims or terrorists.
History will prove he is and idiot but it will also prove he is straight and Michele is the mother of his children.
You claim that all evidence that Michele was a boy has been altered. Every school yearbook in everyone’s household and library, every newspaper article, every medical record etc. You know what this sounds like? When Mohammed claimed that the reason the Koran has so many biblical records is that the Jews destroyed every copy of the Torah and the Christians destroyed every copy of the bible and replaced them with new versions just to make him look wrong.
I’m ashamed to know that Christians are pulling the same shirt on their own leaders just to try to prove their idiotic antichrist theory is correct.
I’m not a government troll, I’m just a realist. I deal in facts, not statements by outrageous comics or YouTube videos. When I see stories all over the news with irrefutable proof I will happily change my mind. But from the data I’ve seen including photos of her youth and stories from her old friends etc, I can’t in good conscience believe the crap you’re pushing here.
Same goes for Nibiru.
jim
whatever is true will prove itself true….
You finally said something I can agree with!
🙂
we will, in the end of times, agree anyhow
You guys must stop talking about a chip when you think of buying and selling from the book Rev. Read Devarim (Deutor.) 6:4-8. It is not a chip. It is a leader that will force Shema on people according to Torah to have the right to buy or sell. Nothing els. It is so simple to understand. G-d wanted people to show other people that they love Torah and people should show it with their hands and foreheads according to Torah. This chip thing is just crap and wild fantasy. Let it go. Someone will force people back to Torah but makes his own law. Torah does not say which hand to use but the crazy man in Revelation will force to use one hand.
I had enough ofreeading about a chip.
Please, stop this crap about a chip from now!
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That is exactly right. These things will be proven right and truly prophetic, … or merely delusional within the space of about one year’s time. Thomas Watkins makes some very very bold and awesome testimony and visions and visitations. Here is the basic prophetic timetable that he is talking about (at least as I have managed to discern it) …
Summarizing major upcoming prophetic events leading to THE END OF THE AGE: these are approximate timelines given by a number of different prophets prophecy-ing and teaching & declaring regarding endtime events . . .
* MAJOR prophetic dates right on the horizon:
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* Major Israeli election: March 15, 2015 [deciding who will and who will *not* “divide the Land” for “Peace”]
* March 20, 2015…Solar Eclipse.
* April 4, 2015 3rd blood red moon…Passover.
Netanyahu {perhaps “no longer restraining” or holding back “the peace process”}, and thus the Pope, Obama, EU…UN “Peace” Treaty is negotiated…DIVIDING THE LAND (and at the same time: repudiating the Covenant), including the division of Jerusalem.
final (and 4th) blood red moon on DAY OF ATONEMENT, Sept.*23*-24-*25*, 2015…
THEN: March 9, 2016, – beginning of final 42 months of prophetic History known as THE LAST of the Last Days, … two witnesses prophecie & stand against the 1st & 2cd beasts; 144,000 rise up as an army of prophets & witnesses to THE LORD YESHUA MESSIAH & HIS GOSPEL&KINGDOM, … there will be millions of martyrs who will not deny Him, …
* JESUS RETURNS WITH THE ARMIES OF HEAVEN: most likely around the Feast of Trumpets & *THE DAY OF ATONEMENT: 2019.* …
All this could well be so: thus all is fulfilled before the end of THIS decade. Maranatha ! O LORD YESHUA, O MIGHTY ONE , O MOST HIGH above all. Maranatha! … Yeshua IS The LORD, – ONE with THE FATHER & WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Good info. Thanks. Eases my fears a bit
Jimmy,
I would like you to read this correction to what Marianne posted above:
“final (and 4th) blood red moon on DAY OF ATONEMENT, Sept.*23*-24-*25*, 2015…”
That statement is in error.
The 4th Blood Moon occurs during Feast of Tabernacles, 2015.
Sukkot (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת, sukkōt, or sukkos, Feast of Booths, Feast of Tabernacles) is a Biblical holiday celebrated on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei (late September to late October). It is one of the three biblically mandated festivals Shalosh regalim on which Jews were commanded to make a pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem.
Jimmy, the next “Blood Moon” occurs on September 28th and is visible over Jerusalem.
Makes you wonder what else within the above posted reply could be in error, yes?
So, what does Scripture tell us comes next?
The Day of the Lord.
“The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord” (Joel 2:31).
[ The Day of the Lord ] Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. …(Zechariah 14).
[ The Day of the Lord ] Blow the trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm in My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; For the day of the Lord is coming, For it is at hand… (Joel 2:1).
“The Lord gives voice before His army, For His camp is very great; For strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; Who can endure it?” (Joel 2:11).
“‘In all vineyards there shall be wailing, for I will pass through you,’
Says the Lord.
Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!
For what good is the day of the Lord to you?
It will be darkness, and not light.
It will be as though a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him!
Or as though he went into the house, leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him!” (Amos 5:17-19).
This next passage is profound, when we understand what occurs after the 6th seal fully opens:
“For behold, the day is coming,
Burning like an oven,
And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“That will leave them neither root nor branch.
But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out and grow fat like stall-fed calves.
You shall trample the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” Says the Lord of hosts” (Malachi 4:1-3).
Blessings
Rev. 12:11
Jimmy,
“The Hebrew-language website yahadoot.net delves into the Jewish perspective on this celestial phenomenon. The Talmud discusses the significance of astronomical events in human history, stating that a solar eclipse is a warning to the nations, while a lunar eclipse signifies danger for the Jewish people, who are likened to the moon.”
Read more at http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/35128/shocking-passover-blood-moon-predictions-by-israeli-rabbi-jewish-world/#3ULYXsXEWw4GCXLQ.99
Blessings
Joel 2:12-17
Considering that there are between 1 and 3 lunar eclipses every year, history has been filled with warnings – never ending warnings in fact.
And there will be yet more blood moons before Jesus returns. A dozen by 2020 and four in that year alone. Perhaps as many as 40 more before the Second Coming. And only one can be the one foretelling the return of Christ, so which one? We already know we are the generation of the messiah’s return. We don’t need any eclipses to tell us that, and if a specific date is not foretold, then it is of little practical use.
Eclipse is tonight.
(Sunday morning at 5 AM – PDT)
Lasts only 4 minutes of totality so don’t be late!
If you’re in the eastern U.S. the sun will be up before totality begins 😦
Take a picture…
Also… Happy Passover!
(And Good Friday is bogus) 😦
Well now Marriane you jyst POPPED someones mula making bubble!!! 😉 Great article. A lot of hype, GOD will come when he our LORD is ready. I think the false preachers out there are making alot of mula from fear mongering. Perhaps being the “false Christians” they are in on the other AGENDAS to push towards NWO. For our adversary the devil ( and his minions) know they have but a short time!!! I think we ALL really must allow the Holy Ghost to guide us. I have been shopping, or a gathering and somehow by the grace of GOD we end up on the conversation of SALVATION THROUGH JESUS! Its a beautiful thing. A blessing, and we must share the NEWS of GODS LOVE! It amazes me how many lost souls have not been introduced to JESUS! I know Jesus needs no human to accomplish anything he sees fit. So when you are prompted by the Holy Spirit to SPEAK UP and testify for him…oh what a BLESSING, and Joy you feel when another person gives their life to JESUS! All GLORY TO GOD ALMIGHTY. Thank you for this article, and your website. May God continue to Bless You!
Heidi,
You may have missed something in all this “frenzy.”
This following is from an article in The Jewish Press:
“OK, now hold on to your seats, please: we’ve had the Tetrad phenomenon (a string of four moons partially or completely eclipsed,) twice in the last century, both times on the night of the Passover seder: in 5710 (1949-50) and in 5728 (1967-68).
The year 5710 came right after the establishment of the State of Israel.
The year 5728 came right after the liberation of Jerusalem.
The next string of four blood moons is coming Passover seder night, 5775 (2014-15) – a year from this Pesach.
Oh, and the last time this event had taken place before the 20th century was in 5654. That’s 1493-94 to you and me [Jews], one year after the exile [of Jews] from Spain.”
Heidi,
I would like you to read this correction to what Marianne posted above:
“final (and 4th) blood red moon on DAY OF ATONEMENT, Sept.*23*-24-*25*, 2015…”
That statement is in error.
The 4th Blood Moon occurs during Feast of Tabernacles, 2015.
Sukkot (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת, sukkōt, or sukkos, Feast of Booths, Feast of Tabernacles) is a Biblical holiday celebrated on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei (late September to late October). It is one of the three biblically mandated festivals Shalosh regalim on which Jews were commanded to make a pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem.
The next “Blood Moon” occurs on September 28th and is visible over Jerusalem.
Makes you wonder what else within the above posted reply could be in error, yes?
So, what does Scripture tell us comes next, after these lunar and solar signs?
The Day of the Lord.
“The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord” (Joel 2:31).
[ The Day of the Lord ] Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. …(Zechariah 14).
[ The Day of the Lord ] Blow the trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm in My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; For the day of the Lord is coming, For it is at hand… (Joel 2:1).
What are we to do?
Please read 1st Thess. 5:1-10 (we’re not to be overtaken by a thief in the night).
Most importantly, please read Joel 2:12-17, which is the context of actions/behaviors when the Day is recognized (by times/seasons as we read in 1st Thess. 5:1-10).
Blessings
Rev. 12:11
to me the blood moons are not much of a sign, because they occur WHEN and WHERE most or many people cannot see them.
there was a partial red moon at 5:04 am this morning but I was asleep.
DJ,
You brought up an interesting point.
All of the previous tetrads occurred AFTER some important Jewish event. If consistent, the new event should have already happened, but I can’t seem to figure out what it was.
Any ideas?
heidi
most people do not even see these eclipses. last passover, there was one at 3 am, this year it was 5 am. no one on the east coast saw it because they were sleeping. the jews in israel did not see it at all since it would be 10 am there and the location was wrong for them to see anything. maybe the pacific ocean countries saw something.
I’ve seen all 3 eclipses including the one this morning. I have taken over 500 photos of them as well.
This mornings eclipse was brief and the moon never became a blood moon. It was in and out of the earth’s shadow in a few minutes and it was never deep enough into the umbra to turn the entire moon dark red. So the prediction of a four blood moon tetrad never actually panned out. Close enough for God’s work? Maybe so, perhaps not.
I find it interesting that virtually no one here who thought these were a sign from God ever bothered to get up and watch for a single one of them.
And speaking of signs, for all those people who believe the Second Coming will be in 2018 based on the 1948 creation of Israel + a 70-year generation should be looking to Jerusalem today since it is the last day for the 2 witnesses to appear and still leave 3-1/2 years before a fall Second Coming in 2018. This will greatly disappoint a whole lot of people who have been touting this theory for the last 20 years or more.
Another one bites the dust!
i agree.. ( surprise 🙂 )
It was 5:04 am here and I was asleep.
most people in the world cannot see these moons when they happen.
I think a sign from God would be dramatic and wake people up if that important.
if things go wrong, and they are headed in that direction anyhow, it will not be due to this tetrad of barely visible and barely watched partial blood moons.
Marianne,
Your comments are truly entertaining to read, giving insight to a frenzy bias.
Sleep (physical or spiritual) does prevent you, James and anyone from not seeing a total lunar eclipse on a Hebrew Feast day, occurring 2 times in one year within 2 consecutive years.
Oh! We also need to consider the wearher. Is it cloudy or clear?
This would also prevent you, James and anyone from seeing these “Blood Moons.”
Did you know that at least one these 4 “Blood Moon” occurrences on either Passover or Tabernacles 2014-2015 is visible in every hemisphere?
Do you know that there are Hebrews living around the world?
The Hebrews (and those of us grafted into the tree) would need to be awake (physically) with a clear night sky, taking time to look up in order to see the sign. Then, maybe they would read the Scriptures and see spiritually (“eye salve” required).
I think and believe Almighty God is providing a sign to them on a Hebrew Feast day within 70 years (fig tree generation) of the proclamation to establish Israel and 50 years (Jubilee) of 1967.
April 15, 2014
The first eclipse of the year is well placed for observers throughout the Western Hemisphere. The entire event is visible from both North and South America.
The total eclipse will only be visible to residents in the western half of the United States (as well as people throughout the Pacific, East Asia, and Oceania). It starts right at 4:58 am Pacific and will last just five minutes.
Click to access OH2014-Fig01.pdf
October 8, 2014
A total lunar eclipse is set to rise above people across a large swath of the world early Wednesday (Oct. 8). The entire October 08 eclipse is visible from the Pacific Ocean…Weather permitting, people in North America, Australia, western South America and parts of East Asia will be able to see the total lunar eclipse.
Click to access OH2014-Fig03.pdf
April 6, 2015
The total lunar eclipse will be visible from western North America, eastern Asia, the Pacific, Australia and New Zealand. At North American time zones, that means the greatest eclipse happens before sunrise on April 4 – the morning of April 4, not the evening. From the world’s Eastern Hemisphere – eastern Asia, Indonesia, New Zealand and Australia – the greatest eclipse takes place after sunset April 4.
Click to access LE2015Apr04T.pdf
September 28, 2015
This total lunar eclipse will be visible from most of North America, South America, Europe, west Asia and parts of Africa will be able to see the eclipse. The eclipse will last for 3 hrs and 20 mins from beginning to end. The Moon will be totally eclipsed (totality) for about 1 hr and 12 mins [a very long time].
Click to access LE2015Sep28T.pdf
If you keep this frenzy going by fragmenting, confusing and discounting the times and seasons (1st Thess. 5:1-10) then the end of the age will come upon many who read your blog as a thief in the night.
Nice work Marianne. 😦
Blessings
on the east coast it was only a partial eclipse. I checked before going to bed.
so different locations will only see some aspects of it….some the whole thing if they stay up all night, and some only partially
i agree that things are going downhill fast, but cant say these mostly invisible moons point this out.
things were going downhill anyhow…
but maybe they have some coincidental significance.
for me, it is more significant to see actual events predicted in the bible starting to come true.
like the muslims are declaring their leader GOD now.
and he is accepting this.
to be fair.
I just found this article on a jewish rabbi who agrees with you
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/35128/shocking-passover-blood-moon-predictions-by-israeli-rabbi-jewish-world/#zXIHe3gep6DOJaDp.97
so if I am wrong, then I am wrong.
not visible everywhere, so is the message of the moon for only the areas where it is visible?
http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/lunar/2015-april-4
see map
Marianne,
You got your times wrong…
The eclipse was at 5:00 AM here in California – It was 3 hours later where you are – 8 AM which means the sun was up already. The sun actually rose here before the eclipse was completely over and the moon set at sunrise as full moons always do.
It wasn’t visible at all in the middle east.
Or to anyone who was inside, or sleeping.
I went by a site that said Raleigh NC would see the eclipse at 5 am…maybe the website was wrong. anyhow, I was asleep. I had gone to bed about 2 am and slept until about 9 am. so i missed it. sleep to me was more important.
Marianne,
You posted this statement within the above cut/paste:
“final (and 4th) blood red moon on DAY OF ATONEMENT, Sept.*23*-24-*25*, 2015…”
Correction:
The 4th Blood Moon occurs during Feast of Tabernacles, 2015.
This unique cycle of lunar eclipses (2014-2015) have occurred on TWO Hebrew feast days in each year – Passover and Feast of Tabernacles.
FEAST OF TABERNACLES:
Sukkot (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת, sukkōt, or sukkos, Feast of Booths, Feast of Tabernacles) is a Biblical holiday celebrated on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei (late September to late October). It is one of the three biblically mandated festivals Shalosh regalim on which Jews were commanded to make a pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem.
The next “Blood Moon” occurs on September 28th and is visible over Jerusalem.
Your “frenzy” is amazing. Actually you are adding to the frenzy, confusion.
Please, share those specific Scriptures that tell us about a blood moon and sackcloth sun.
Share what comes after (in Marianne type – AFTER) the lunar and solar sign when reading those Scripture passages.
Blessings
Psalm 64
ok thanks
Marianne, DJ, Don, and All-
Below is what was written on a different thread concerning the Sixth Seal:
“The moon became like blood=Blood Moon=lunar eclipse=a natural event=warning to Yisrael-the Goy=the Nation (singular)
The sun became black=Solar eclipse=a natural event=warning to the world-the Goyim=the Nations (plural)
There was a great earthquake=natural event
Everyone has an opinion on these things. How it all works out, will be as our Abba has chosen! Yah is not the author of confusion. He told us the truth from the beginning, so that “ALL” would know what to look at for at the end…..that is, if we have eyes to see and ears to hear and actually do go back to the beginning=Genesis! The first five books of scripture are pivotal, without which, there is only blindness and misdirection, though well intentioned!”
Writing the above does not preclude that any of those natural events listed above cannot have spiritual interpretations. The point was and is, that those 3 things listed are natural events in the physical world we live in.
Where the problem comes in is with verse 13:
13) And the stars of the Heavens fell upon The Earth, like a fig tree casting its figs when it is shaken by a strong wind.
The question is, is this a natural event or something else? Have the stars (plural-meaning most likely all or a great many of them) of the Heavens fallen to earth before? Of course not. Then how are we to know what this means?
Daniel 12:3
3 And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Who are these that are wise and turn many to righteousness during the Sixth Seal??
Could they be the 144,000 with 12,000 from each tribe of Yisrael? In verse 13 it speaks of a fig tree (Yisrael) casting it’s figs (the 144,000) caused by the shaking of a strong wind (the Ruach-Spirit of Yah)! Did not Yah at Shavuot (Pentecost) set those aside, to be his messengers, in the exact same way? There is nothing new or different here. Just the unfolding progression of His Word!
Yah told us the truth out of the beginning! The dividing of scripture is not accountable or subject to the “rational thinking” of the carnal mind, or the scientific world.
I think the stars falling would be a natural event that is associated with what is causing the other events
Al,
You got it!
My educated guess – it begins in 5776.
Nothing like a select band of mighty men of God.
Blessings
Psalm 27
Al,
You got it!
My educated guess – it begins in 5776.
Nothing like a select band of mighty men of God.
Blessings
Psalm 27
Dude,
Sorry, I lost the thread…
What starts next year?
nuke of NYC, downfall of america, and everything he thinks will happen because there will be 4 blood moons by then, tribulation
Oh, yeah. Obama wins the peace prize in 2009 starting the 7 year tribulation, then the Second Coming in,,, 2016 – right? Wow, time is really running out on that theory. Or did they extend the tribulation a few more years? I’m sure there is some way to make that happen if you are clever with numbers and translations.
Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
I think you are responding to me with this comment instead of DJ. this is his theory, not mine.
Yeah, I knew it was one of them but I couldn’t remember which. Many others also think Obama is the antichrist too. All are in for disappointment.
Maybe it will be Hillary…
Hillary is worse than the AC . ha ha
7~11~5997 (out of 6000) Sabbath in this “Twilight Zone Apocalypse”.
Killer Radiation From Fukushima, Japan! 3~11~11
Uncensored News: http://www.ENENews.com
Eat Almonds, Almond Milk to Kill Cancer Cells.
Last Evil Days of “Manmean”. Yahshua Son of Yahweh Returns
VERY SOON! Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM.
Revelation 14:1 Halleluyah! Hebrew: “HalleluYah!”
Asteroid (Nibiru?) possibly hitting earth on 9~24~2015?
Rumor is that JADE HELM 15 is connected with that.
“Follow the money trail when it comes to this evil Nazi government.” Registered guns, gold, and etc. may be rounded up to take underground. The stock market may be collapsed to take cash there, too. No need to kill us now if Nirbiru or war will do that. The zillion coffin liners are most likely for DEAD bodies from the disaster. (The liners can be easily burned and can hold a number of bodies.) If Nazi governments are anything, they ARE efficient. Rumor is that corporate grocery stores will close by last week of August, and their supplies also taken underground. Lately, I’ve noticed some items have already disappeared on web sites, certain vitamins etc. that were always available before. Some dollar type stores here in CA have been selling back to school supplies already and even Thanksgiving! Seems that they are anxious to get that cash in NOW.
Parents of young children here will now be forced to have those terrible
vaccinations. YES WE ARE IN THE FINAL END TIMES!
ETERNAL SURVIVAL BLESSINGS!
Jade Helm starts in 4 days so expect millions of Americans to be rounded up next week and taken to FEMA death camps and executed by guillotine. The first to die will be the media so they can’t report the news. Then all government officials and politicians will disappear to underground bunkers below Wal-Marts across the country along with all the wealthy. Police and military already know there these bunkers are and they will be the last to enter leaving the U.S. empty of all law enforcement. Gangs will soon form, then militias, then regional tribes who will fight for resources amongst themselves. North vs. South… east vs. West and so on. Complete anarchy. Only those with the most ammunition will survive. Everyone else will die.
This is inevitable. After the asteroid hits, no food will grow and the rest of America, above ground, will die. Count on it. And this has noting to do with the bible, this is all mans doing (plus an asteroid).
America is doomed. Get out NOW! Head for Canada, the Mexicans will only kill you so don’t go south. Do this now while gas is still available. Don’t wait. Don’t take any chances. RUN for your lives!!
Or do what I’m doing… sit back and watch everyone else panic over nothing. The choice is yours.
ETERNAL SURVIVAL BLESSINGS!
jim
well you finally got it… 🙂
but not in 4 days….
when you have a hundred thousand troops showing up representing US and UN special forces, they are NOT planning a picnic
except for the timing, you have the general scenario right.