IDF Remembers Ariel Sharon, 1928-2014
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Ariel Sharon dies January 11, 2014
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News Reference:
http://www.idfblog.com/2014/01/11/idf-remembers-ariel-sharon-1928-2014/#respond
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Today, Israel’s former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon passed away at the age of 85.
He was a courageous defender whose leadership changed the course of our history.
As a Major General in the Six Day War, he famously overpowered Egyptian forces in the Sinai, commanding an historic battle that saved Israel from defeat.
He pushed back our enemies again in 1973, secured our borders as Defense Minister, and shepherded Israel through its darkest days of terror as Prime Minister.
His vision and sacrifice will remain eternal in our thoughts. May his memory be blessed.
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Ariel Sharon suffered a stroke on 4 Jan 2006. He has been in coma for several years until his death.
Rabbi Yitzhak Keduri was a highly esteemed Rabbi who died in 2006 (29 Tevet 5766) and was more than 100 years old.
More than 300,000 appeared in the streets of Jerusalem to honor the Rabbi his at his funeral.
Rabbi Keduri, according to his son, constantly dreamt of Mashiach. In fact he claimed Mashiach appeared to him in his dreams. More importantly Mashiach revealed His name to the Rabbi.
This is what the Rabbi did: he wrote the name of Mashiach on a piece of paper and asked his followers to open it a year after his death. Essentially the Rabbi wrote a sentence with each of the words starting with a letter of the name of Mashiach. The letter combined spelled the name ‘Yehoshua’ or ‘Yeshua’ known in the western world as ‘Jesus.’
Rabbi Keduri said one more thing which is almost unreal. He said that Messiah would appear after Ariel Sharon’s death.
Some rabbis believe that Messiah will return on a very special Yom Kippur in the year of Jubilee. When is the next year of Jubilee?
2017 or is it 2018?
Blessings
Psalm 23
DJ,
If Ok, I’d like to share your comment above in a group I have. I’d like to post it alongside this link.
Quite interesting about the passing of Ariel Sharon and the coming of Messiah. Somewhere in these pages, the Dutch Seer also had tied the passing of Mandela to the coming of the Messiah. So both are passed on, now and two prophecies, one from the North-Israel, the other from the South-Africa. And as prophecies converge, let us not be caught napping by the events foretold. I think we entered the year of Jubilee in September 2013, in the accounting of the Origin and creation. While many suggest the time will be much latter, in 2016/2017, prudence is to be always ready to receive our Lord and Messiah at all times. Blessings to all.
DJ,
This Rabbi stated the Messiah’s soul had attached it’s self to a human inside Israel. Is this the Messiah you are waiting for?
I think this Rabbi has been in to deep in the Kabala, and a fallen Angel mislead him as an Angel of light. The Messiah will come as he left. However, the lie that misleads the elect might show himself as an ascended Master, and show us all how to find Christ within ourselves.
Will the 12th Imam show himself at the same time, bringing the Dragon’s religious book, the Koran, prophecy to the world?
I’ve been thinking about, and reading about this Rabbi’s prophecy’s all weekend at work. He has been mislead. I wonder, did he accept this Messiah as his lord, and savior? If so, is he still Jewish?
What a bunch of BS for the world. Invest in brass, and lead while there is still time. You can read your Bibles on how Christ will return as you clean your weapon!
You asked if Yom Kippur in the next Jubillee year is 2017 or 2018. I was informed by someone who was reading a projected timeline that the Jubillee starts when 2916 turns over into 2017 at the Jewish New Year in the Autumn. This is one speculation, backed up by study (see Daniel’s Timeline on Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum). Calendars are beyond my
ability to understand, as they vary in odd ways.
Rabbi Kaduri did say the Messiah would come after Sharon’s death, and gave his name, but also he said something we would not agree with, that
the Messiah is alive in Israel now, but does not know who he is, i.e. does
not know yet. So this could be “another Jesus”, and yet, Rabbi Kaduri could have interpreted what he experienced through his talmudic understanding. It still could have been Our Lord who appeared to him. We hope so, for his sake as well as ours.
Mariel,
Yes. We read in Leviticus 25:8-9 the details.
“You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall give you forty-nine years. Then you shall sound the loud trumpet on the tenth day of the seventh month. On the Day of Atonement you shall sound the trumpet throughout all your land” (ESV).
Yom Kippur is also known as Day of Atonement. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Jews traditionally observe this holy day with a 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer, often spending most of the day in synagogue services. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes “the Days of Awe”).
Since 1917 and 1967 were Jubilee years, then 2017 is The Jubilee year, entering God’s rest.
So I’ve been meditating upon this JUBILEE and something crossed my mind.
God creation work week was over in 6 days. God rested on the 7th day. Yes, it is a 7 day week but He created during days 1-6 and rested on the 7th day. All work was completed by sundown on the 6th day.
“Daniel’s week” or the “tribulation period over 7 years” would therefore be over/complete within 6 days (years) and the 7th day (year) is Sabbath (day) on God’s calendar. God keeps the Sabbath on His earthly/Hebrew calendar.
I think that we enter into Jubilee on the Day of Atonement 2017. But that is a 25 hour “day”. Therefore, we do not know the day or the hour that we enter into His rest. There is also a trumpet blast on that day.
Feast of Trumpets is a two day feast, occuring 7 days prior to Day of Atonement.
It is becoming more clear to me that we are within Daniel’s week. The end of this age is on a day and at an hour we don’t know (25 hour day), which brings Jubilee, 2017.
Seals?
The first one opened one day between the time Barry confirmed peace with many (his first appearance as President before the UN, 09/09/09) and when he received a crown (prize) for peace (10/2009 Feast of Tabernacles).
I think Daniel’s week began Feast of Tabernacles 2009 when Barry received his crown.
Feast of Tabernacles 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, then Jubilee, which begins Day of Atonement, 2017.
Seal 4 opens very soon. The days are shortened for the sake of the elect. Thank you Lord.
Thoughts? Did I miss something with this broad outline?
Blessings
Psalm 91
what happened to seals 2 and 3?
Yes, what about 2015? You didn’t have it in the time scale from 2009 to 2016. The rest makes sense. I also heard that the coming Messiah, according to Rabbi Kaduri, wouldn’t know he was the Messiah and that he would use the media to communicate with his followers. I find it very hard to believe that. Jesus Christ knew who He was when He walked the earth and I believe He will know who He is when He returns. It is the anti-christ who probably won’t know his role until his appointed time. The anti-christ is probably already alive on the earth at this time. As far as using the media, remember, it is said in the Bible, ” My sheep will hear my voice “. God does not need the media to communicate with His children. GOD BLESS US ALL
My editing/proof reading issues – I didn’t catch 2015 in my typing.
There is one other “Barry event” that occurred in September 2010. He invited all parties concerned to the White House to “re-start” the peace process (confirming peace).
That could be the other opening of the 1st seal.
There is no doubt about the sign in the heavens (Rev. 12:1-5), occurring on Feasts of Trumpets, 2011.
Blessings
Rev. 12:11
I have a little book on biblical numerology called GOD COUNTS it is not at all comprehensive as Bullinger’s book on numerology but in respect of the the number 9 referred to in respect of Barry ( who I imagine is Pres Obama) it has this to say. ” Nine is the last of the digits and thus marks the end. It is usually associated with finality and frequently judgement, but is also used with its opposite meaning which is eternity, or without end.”
Looks like there are very interesting days ahead , may we all draw as close as we can to the Lord and remove the leaven and dross from our lives
Blessings
Amen! It’s about pride and rebellion. We are to humble ourselves before Almighty God, accepting His Son as our Messiah. Jesus is our shield (Psalm 27).
http://billygraham.org/story/twelve-ways-to-humble-yourself/
Blessings
Psalm 40 and 1st John
Seal 2 – Arab Spring, opened 12/2010, spreading rapidly in the region (KJV “earth”).
What is Arab Spring accomplishing everywhere there is been a “rebellion” of the people?
Egypt, Libya, and other nation states in the “region” are in “rebellion” and bringing Quran based government/leadership. It is the brotherhhood – a Caliphate movement.
So, re-read Rev 6:4 “…fiery red, was granted take peace from the earth [his particular region/terrene], and that people should kill one another [rebellion]; and there was given to him a great sword.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring
Seal 3 is the economic/inflation within the region (Greece to Spain and Libya to Syria).
Seal 4 opens soon.
Blessings
Rev. 12:11
seems like war , famine and pestilance and death should be global, not localized
Greek text is always best when reading Revelation.
What I shared is not King James or Darby translations on seal 2. It is Strong’s Greek – “terrain” or “region” not necessarily “earth” (KJV).
Best to download E-Sword a free software with Hebrew and Greek text.
Seal 4 – all of those you listed follow the opening of the 4th seal. These seems to be global.
I believe The “New — “”WORLD”” — order” will effect the whole earth and every nation.
The most important revelation we need at this time of the last age. What do you expect to happen at the “coming”. Do you expect Salvation or Judgment.
Lighthouse
both
Great Jewish soldier.
He made one huge blunder as a politician. He allowed President Bush to force Israel to give up the West Bank.
God gave the land to the Jews, anyone who gives it to the enemies of God (Islam) there are consequences.
With Sharon, he went into a coma.
With the US, there was Hurricane Katrina.
Now we have the great “O” intimidating and threatening the survival of Israel, brace yourself the US of A, God’s wrath is a coming. You can call it “global warming or climate change” but whether it is a “polar blast”, earthquake, volcanic eruption, tidal wave or financial collapse, the big “O” has organized the coming disaster for the US, and let us not mention the polluted Pacific Ocean.
God bless the Biblical discerners.
I agree that O is a curse to america, but america deserves judgment ….americans have turned their back on god, for the most part, and now america will be punished for it.
I am most disappointed at finding eulogizing a war criminal on this web site.
I suppose the false prophet is embodied in this web site. The “False prophet” will speak many truths to bring people in to his/her hall and then slip in the poisoned vial.
Please remember that the present day Israel is not run by the seed of Abraham Gen 12:7
Jer 23:16 Don’t listen to the lies of these false prophets, you people of Judah! The message they preach is something they imagined; it did not come from me, the LORD All-Powerful.
Lam 2:13 Zion, how can I comfort you? How great is your pain? Lovely city of Jerusalem, how can I heal your wounds, gaping as wide as the sea?
Lam 2:14 Your prophets deceived you with false visions and lying messages– they should have warned you to leave your sins and be saved from disaster.
Lam 2:15 Those who pass by shake their heads and sneer as they make fun and shout, “What a lovely city you were, the happiest on earth, but look at you now!”
Eze 13:8 So I am going to punish those lying prophets for deceiving the people of Israel with false messages.
Amos 2:4 The LORD said: I will punish Judah for countless crimes, and I won’t change my mind. They have rejected my teachings and refused to obey me. They were led astray by the same false gods their ancestors worshiped.
Mat 7:15 Watch out for false prophets! They dress up like sheep, but inside they are wolves who have come to attack you.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will come and fool a lot of people.
Mat 24:24 False messiahs and false prophets will come and work great miracles and signs. They will even try to fool God’s chosen ones.
2Co 11:13 Anyway, they are no more than false apostles and dishonest workers. They only pretend to be apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And it is no wonder. Even Satan tries to make himself look like an angel of light.
1Tim4:1 God’s Spirit clearly says that in the last days many people will turn from their faith. They will be fooled by evil spirits and by teachings that come from demons.
1Tim 4:2 They will also be fooled by the false claims of liars whose consciences have lost all feeling.
Rev 2:2 I know everything you have done, including your hard work and how you have endured. I know you won’t put up with anyone who is evil. When some people pretended to be apostles, you tested them and found out that they were liars.
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them who say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
interesting misuse of scripture to support a false claim
Learherneck,
I’m running out of time today to watch the video and give you an intelligent – make that a thoughtful reply.
Maybe I can reply tomorrow after watching the video again.
In my opinion – My Lord and Savior is coming back soon. Before the beginning of the next Jubilee.
I think the old rabbi became a Believer in the last months of his life. I think he was given a prophetic word from the Lord. I did not know the man. But, his testimony (note) and his conversations with his son sure are interesting to me.
A respected rabbi gives a message the Jesus is the Messiah is an exciting story.
His prophetic message – well, I always seek Scripture and test the spirits.
More later…got’a watch the video again.
Blessings
Rev. 12:11
Mt.19:26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Derick West, not sure what you are stating but it appears you are pushing “replacement theology.”
Let me state Biblically, “the Jews are God’s chosen people.”
That does not mean they get into heaven, in fact the Scriptures say they will be cast out into outer darkness for rejecting Jesus.
Believers get into heaven for accepting Jesus as their Savior, they “trust and obey” Jesus.
If you study the Gospels, especially Luke and John, salvation is not that easy once you start the walk. The more you learn about Jesus the more He will judge you. I am not saying that works will get you into heaven, but the road is narrow and many take the wide road.
Many are called, but few are chosen.
Jesus was a Jew, if you are against Israel or the Jews then I think you have a huge problem entering heaven to meet your maker, a Jewish Rabbi by the name of Jesus who will judge you.
Jesus is returning to Jerusalem, God’s city, not New York, London, Paris or Timbuktu.
Israel is the Apple of God’s eye.
I also can give pages of Scripture to back up everything I have stated here about Israel.
God has punished the Jews because they threw God out and followed pagan gods.
What punishment has come upon Christianity for doing the same?
It is all coming, the Bible tells us, it is the tribulation, we are going through it and people like Obama have been allowed to reign so this end times events will come about.
When Jesus returns He will reign from Jerusalem for a 1000 years, the Millenium, and He will judge the nations (peoples) who came against Israel
God bless the Bible discerners.
Bro. Allen Rowley -you said Jesus was a Jew, if you are against Israel or the Jews then I think you have a huge problem entering heaven to meet your maker, a Jewish Rabbi by the name of Jesus who will judge you.
Jesus is returning to Jerusalem, God’s city, not New York, London, Paris or Timbuktu. Israel is the Apple of God’s eye.
Jesus is the Apple of Gods eye and is not a “Jew or Gentile” – He was all GOD – and all HUMAN. The very FIRST CREATION OF GOD IN HUMAN FORM. The beginning of the Creation of God = Rev.3:14 . The Bible says Jesus had the “Blood of God =Eternal life blood” not Jewish or Gentile blood running through His veins.
Jesus will judge us by our “sin”. It does not have anything to do with the Nation of Israel or Jews. I guess If I did not like a gentile and shunned and rejected him its ok. You see how absurd that is. Jewish sinners are the same as Gentile sinners.
Most Christians automatically think the Jews are the N.T church in a Nation still here on Earth that are living in sin. Yet that is not truth. The “Called out Church” is of every nation in the world. And we are all JEWS by excepting Jesus Christ into our hearts by faith not laws. We have the Spirit and by nature we know what the laws of God are. They are written on the tablet of our hearts.
Jerusalem is not a geographical area we going to live in. We will be with God in the New Jerusalem. The Old Temple establishment was destroyed and God has a New Temple for to dwell in. Which is our HUMAN Temple.
The Nation of Israel might build a temple they might go to sacrificing but they have been doing that for years. It is still “not excepted” as was Cain’s not excepted because if was not of Faith. It became a ritual like going to church in USA has become a ritual with no LIFE of Jesus in it.
To be a Christian today you have to know the Revelation of the New Testament Covenant which does not include a Stone Temple. No Jew will go to Heaven if they do not have Jesus Christ IN THEM. They must have the Holy spirit as well as we HAVE to have it.
Have not people heard of how the Israelites live their lives today. Most live them just like the West lives. Every sin in the world they are doing. Im just telling you the truth.
The WHOLE NATION that is going to be saved is the ones that live in the New Jerusalem called – The KINGDOM OF GOD. And Yes Jews will be in that as they were of the original election of Gods Vine. Then their are the branches.
I COR. 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6. ¶ Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
The only thing the Jews have hope for is to Run to Jesus Christ as we all have to. Their is no more prophecies to be fulfilled for their Nation. They have already fulfilled them.
The only thing left for them is to “Except Christ”. And that is not at the 2nd. coming. Today we had Mercy and Grace with us and we could receive Jesus Christ into our hearts. . Tomorrow you might have hell fire and brimstone and die lost in any nation of this world by Gods Judgment.
Jesus said your time is always.
Lighthouse
Hi Lighthouse, thank you for your reply. Some interesting comments.
With regards salvation, we conclude the same, you may have missed what I wrote, also, regarding the Jews.
You say Jesus was/is not a Jew. Spiritually, you maybe right, then again you maybe wrong. I will ask Jesus when He returns.
So what does the Bible say:
Jesus had to be a Jew for the Jewish people to accept Him as their Messiah, this maybe the material sense and not spiritual.
He was called “the Son of David” Luke 18:39, now David was a Jew.
Jesus’ parentage had to be proven He was Jewish, Matt 1:1; Luke 3:23.
Jesus was anointed in the temple, a Jewish custom, He was circumcised, a Jewish custom, Luke 2: 21-39.
Regarding the “end times and Israel,” mediate on Hosea (esp ch 11 & 12), Joel (esp ch 2 & 3), Amos (esp ch 9), Micah (esp Ch 4), Zephaniah, Zechariah (Esp Ch2).
You doubt a new temple will be built in Jerusalem and that Jesus will reign their a 1000 years, what does the Scripture say:
Check Matt 25:31-46; Rev 20:4-5. Ezekiel 39:21 – 29.
Ezekiel then describes in detail the new temple in ch 40 – 48.
Another point, when Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives the Jews still alive will recognize Him as their Messiah and so be saved (Luke 13:35).
You say: “Jesus is the Apple of Gods eye and is not a “Jew or Gentile” – He was all GOD – and all HUMAN. The very FIRST CREATION OF GOD IN HUMAN FORM. The beginning of the Creation of God = Rev.3:14”
Correct me if I am wrong but the 1st created man was Adam (Gen 1:26-28).
You also state, “And we are all JEWS by excepting Jesus Christ into our hearts by faith not laws. We have the Spirit and by nature we know what the laws of God are.” I agree with this statement, however, if the “believer is a Child of God, and a “Jew” then would that not make God a Jew, in human terms, naturally?
God bless the Biblical discerners.
allan and lighthouse
When we are born again, I do not agree that we, automatically know by “nature” what the laws of god are.
We need to learn the word of god, and learn his commandments or we are ignorant. proper repentance is not possible if one does not even know what sin is, or is not.
our nature leans us toward sin, not toward sinlessness.
I have met too many people who claim to be christians, cheat on their wives, steal, lie, live with their girlfriends, etc….this is ignorance.
We have to learn what sin is so that the holy spirit can convict us of it and lead us to repentance.
Marianne, Allen and Lighthouse,
Jesus was a Hebrew and of the tribe of Judah (Jew). He could not be the Lamb of God without being a Hebrew and the Word made flesh (John chapter 1).
The Spirit was given through the writing of Scriptures (OT) and the prophets. After reading the following – you should be able to “see” the Spirit when reading Proverbs (within chapters 3 and 4 very clearly).
Over the past several weeks I’ve been thinking about “the Spirit of your Father”. There is simple black/white graphic but I can’t post it. (Isaiah 11:2 and Rev. 4:5).
For Believers – this is what Jesus said,
“For it is not you [disciples and followers] who are speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you” (Matthew 10:20, Amplified Translation).
John records this in more detail when He writes,
“But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come” (John 16:13, ESV).
The “Spirit of your Father” and the “Spirit of truth” are the 7 Spirits of God (Isaiah 11:2, then see Rev. 2:2 and 4:5).
1) The Lord
2) Fear
3) Knowledge
4) Council
5) Might
6) Understanding
7) Wisdom
Jesus told His followers (disciples) that the Spirit of Truth (the fullness of the list above) will come to them. It is the complete, fullness of God in Spirit (Genesis 1:2).
The Spirit guides us to all truth (see list 1-7).
Today, we can not know “truth” (Pilot’s and man’s quest) without the Word made flesh, Jesus.
Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father but through me” (John 14:6, ESV).
I give thanks The Lord for sending the Spirit of Truth.
“He who has ears to hear, let him hear” (Matthew 11:15, 13:9).
“He who is able to hear, let him listen to and give heed to what the Spirit says…” (Revelation 2 and 3).
Here is a great summary of the Holy Spirit by Derek Prince.
http://www.derekprince.org/Publisher/File.aspx?id=1000021491
Lighthouse – interesting name you choose.
Blessings
Psalm 27
Bro. Allan Rowley
You say Jesus was/is not a Jew. Spiritually, you maybe right, then again you maybe wrong. I will ask Jesus when He returns.
So what does the Bible say:
Allan wrote – Jesus had to be a Jew for the Jewish people to accept Him as their Messiah, this maybe the material sense and not spiritual.
My answer – He was raised in Jewish Customs yes I agree. The Holy spirit is GOD and the Holy Spirit is NOT JEWISH.
Allen wrote -He was called “the Son of David” Luke 18:39, now David was a Jew. Jesus’ parentage had to be proven He was Jewish, Matt 1:1; Luke 3:23.
My answer – The majority of Jews did not believe He was virgin Born – Therefore they excepted that Joseph was his father out of wedlock. Others believed Jesus father was a Roman soldier born in sin. They knew he was raised up in a Jewish family. But that was about all they believed about Jesus. Let alone that God could have been born in a manger.
Jesus was anointed in the temple, a Jewish custom, He was circumcised, a Jewish custom, Luke 2: 21-39.
my Answer – And Jesus plainly Prophesied that the Temple would be destroyed in HIS GENERATION and it happened.
John baptized him in the Jordan
Correct me if I am wrong but the 1st created man was Adam (Gen 1:26-28).
My answer – Adam was from the earth and fell into sin
Jesus Christ was from heaven and was a quickening Spirit = GOD
JOHN 4:24- Jesus said = God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
You also state, “And we are all JEWS by excepting Jesus Christ into our hearts by faith not
my answer – ROMANS 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
ROMANS 2:29 “But he is a Jew”, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
ROMANS 10:12 ¶ For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
ROMANS 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
GALATIANS 3:28- There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
COLOSSIANS 3:11- Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Dear Brother Allen I do not condemn you at all. For myself I was raised in what most teach on this forum. But I found out that the Pentcostal’s, Baptist, Methodist, and all denominations had a little piece of the truth and then build the little piece of truth into a denomination. They could not put the little pieces back together again. That would take a Prophet in our day to do. And God indeed sent us one. The 7th. day Adventist have many good teachings yet actually believe that Sunday worship is the Mark of the beast. Even Jehovah witness have a little piece of truth. You can find a little bit of truth in most Christian church’s and that is what leaven’s the whole lump Paul said.
When you put those little pieces together you will have the same Message as did the 1st. Century Bride of Christ had. Its soooooo bad that people do not know their own history of how the Dark Ages revealed a different Christ than the one that Appeared to the 1st. Century church. They invented a rapture not based on Scripture or revelation by the spirit.
They with the help of Catholic Jesuits. They invented many doctrines of devils that millions of Christians cannot get away from in the Protestant movement. Like Jews in Jesus day. Their traditions stopped the Word and made the Word of none affect. To the POINT that they actually rejected Christ and DID NOT KNOW IT.
God bless. God bless you – Lighthouse
Dear Marianne these are my thoughts on your post.
You said – When we are born again, I do not agree that we, automatically know by “nature” what the laws of god are.
My answer – ROM 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do “by nature the things contained in the law”, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
ROM 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
ROMANS 2:16 In the day when God shall “judge the secrets of men” by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
ROM 2:17 ¶ Behold, thou art called a Jew, and resteth in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
You said – We need to learn the word of god, and learn his commandments or we are ignorant. proper repentance is not possible if one does not even know what sin is, or is not.
My answer – I have always told this forum what sin is- ITS UNBELIEF period.
They asked Jesus what must we do to do the works of GOD – Jesus replied – BELIEVE on HIM that HE SENT. That is the Start of understanding GOD.
Do not let men sway you into believing we have to keep the Law of the O.T. Because the Holy Ghost in us reveals the secrets of our heart what Gods will wants us to do.
Jesus did not keep the Law according to the Pharisee’s and Saducee’s. Who was wrong. And who was right. You would have to take out all of Pauls epistles to believe God wants to still keep the O.T and blend it with the N.T. the O.T run its course and was replaced by the N.T “Kingdom of God” meaning the Spirit of the Holy ghost IN YOU.
You said – our nature leans us toward sin, not toward sinlessness.
My answer – Dear Marianne – That is the Purpose of the HOLY SPIRIT in the N.T – It Gives us POWER. But we must believe it does or it will not. The Holy Ghost is not an option it is a MUST HAVE. To annihilate that OLD MAN that wants to Haunt us and tear us down.
I’ve always said on here – YOU CHARACTER is YOUR NATURE of the SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU. The HOLY GHOST is our NEW SPIRIT which is greater than the human spirit that must die in us – HOW – by the POWER of the Holy Ghost and Fire – fire burns out all dross =sin
JAMES 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
JAMES 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
I PETER 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
I PETER 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the “appearing of Jesus Christ”:
Peter is saying when Christ Appears to us – then we must let HIM in to Create a Brand New Creation within our NEW Spirit He gave us. Christ gave HIMSELF to live in us. WOW!
Do these 7 things and you will never fall:
II PET 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the DIVINE NATURE, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
II PET 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, ADD to your FAITH virtue; and to virtue knowledge; = virtue is strength -knowledge is power
II PET 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
II PET 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
II PET 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
II PET 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
II PET 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, YE SHALL NEVER FALL :
last thing –
You said – I have met too many people who claim to be christians, cheat on their wives, steal, lie, live with their girlfriends, etc….this is ignorance.
My Answer – We all have to yield ourselves and body to the “power of the Holy Ghost” until you get Victory over it and can mortify that lust into self control. It usely takes something bad or even maybe suffering from God to bring you to your complete Victory if you will not pursue Holiness. Faith in Gods promises should be confessed everyday and singing in your heart as that is what the disciples and even Jesus did.
Their are people who are believers yet cannot quit sin. But Sin is doubt – They think they can get away with it somehow. But they will not. There comes a “CROSSroads” in every believers life. David had one. Moses had one. Noah had one. Abraham had one. Jacob. on and on and on. That should help our faith in times where Satan overcomes us. We are “Sons of God” and that must be what we confess and Believe. Rom 10 –
You said – We have to learn what sin is so that the holy spirit can convict us of it and lead us to repentance.
My answer – yes indeed. That is why we should Pray a lot, Read a lot, and give a lot. And always try and NOT GRIEVE the Holy spirit away from us.
We grieve Him when we will “not believe” HIS promises that He died for. Conviction comes by the Holy Ghost. So anytime you are convicted HE is with you. Do what the conviction says you ought to do with your whole HEART. Just seeking God you are Blessed Jesus said it we believe it.
Lighthouse –
I still stand by what I said. gentiles who by nature “know” the law are rare…look at mankind now…..
and look at the gentiles Paul preached to….they sinned all the time.
and look at the 7 churches jesus spoke to….5 out of 7 were criticized for living in the flesh.
the only time i see the holy spirit working well in someone is if they already have been taught god’s ways and commandments and teachings.
you cannot have a sinner repent unless he knows what is wrong…..and he does not even have the holy spirit with him until he does
If man was that good by nature, he would not have needed to give the commandments to begin with
Adam and Eve were “natural” and with out “law” and they sinned…
Hi, some interesting comments.
M & DJ, I agree with what you state, Jesus fulfilled the Law, He did not replace the law. We all have a “free will,” we have the free choice to sin or walk the narrow road.
I dislike using the word “Christian” because today it is abused. Rather use the word “believer” for we must believe “in Jesus” and ask Jesus to be the Lord of our life and not self.
A true believer will hate sin.
A luke warm believer will abide in sin and believe he can repent and carry on sinning. Their problem is sin becomes their master and they need to read Hebrews 10:26-35.
Jesus said, “If you love Me you will keep My commandments” John 14:15 also John 15:10.
We are called to “Trust (Jesus, not only for salvation but in every area of our lives) and Obey (the commandments of God). Check 1 John 2:4; 3:24.
Rev 14:12 “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
Lighthouse, I agree with much of what you state on the spiritual side but then you use presumption, remember, true believers also have the Spirit of God and we can also discern the Bible.
At least 3 times in the NT (1 Cor 6:9-10; 2 Cor 12:21; Eph 5: 5-6; Rev 21:8) there is a list of the sinners who will not get into heaven, unbelief is not in those lists but I do see your point.
God does not hear sinners – John 9:31.
Jesus said in Luke 13:27, “Depart from Me you workers of iniquity.”
When Jesus returns He will return as the “Lion of the tribe of Judah.”
In heaven Jesus is called the “Lion of the tribe of Judah” – Rev 5:5
For Jesus to be of the Tribe of Judah He would be a Jew.
Jesus was told He was a Jew, He never denied it or rebuked the person for calling Him a Jew (John 4) but you, Lighthouse state Jesus was not a Jew? Are you greater than Jesus? (Pharisee or Sudducee?)
The Jews would not mix with non Jews but Jesus healed 2 non Jews (Mark 7:24; Luke 7).
The Pharisees and Sudducees did not accept Jesus as the Messiah but they did accept Him as a Jew as He was not thrown out of the temple and they sat and ate meals with Him.
Regarding your comments on the Temple? My point from the start was a New Temple is going to be rebuilt, meditate on Zechariah 11 and 12.
In fact the antichrist will reign from this New Temple” Matt 24:15
In Genesis 12:3, God says to Abram, “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
Now this was one of my original points, you go against Israel then the wrath of God will go against you.
Currently we have Kerry and Bush trying to destroy Israel while promoting the Muslim Brotherhood, prepare yourself USA, God is coming against you, mark my words.
God bless the Biblical discerners.
I think you mean kerry and obama…bush is gone
Correct M, I had a senior moment, saw the mistake after I posted.
The third temple is described in Ezekiel 40-42 and it is a vision about how Hashem wants the Vatican to look like.
ibible, you read the Bible but you listen to man. Man has his own views and distortions of the Biblical truth.
Clear your head of all the teaching of man, throw it all out, then read the Bible and allow the Holy Spirit to reveal what God says.
The antichrist will not reign from Rome, he will reign from the New Temple in Jerusalem.
Rome is not God’s Holy City, Jerusalem is.
Remember, the Roman Empire had a West and Eastern section. Concentrate on the Eastern section (Islam) and you have the answers to the end times.
Catholics do not hate Jesus, Muslims do! Just ask the believers being murdered in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq, etc.
God bless the discerners.
Thoose of us who understands the Bible knows that the new Israel and Yerushalayim is the Vatican and no AC will reign from Vatican or other temple.
ibible, I think you have lost the plot of the end times as described in the Bible. The false prophet may rule from Rome, but only for a short period before the AC takes him out as the AC will hate competition.
allan
ibible has very unique and non traditional views,,,,
Marianne – No man or woman can live good enough and or be righteous enough on their own to go to heaven. Without the Holy Ghost living in you – you can never become HOLY. It takes the Holy Spirit to guide you.
He is the Author and Finisher of our faith. And explains the Word to us.
We must Believe that to get the victory over sin – doubt and unbelief.
We all start out as children. Do we have mercy on our little children when they lie, cheat and steal etc. etc. Of Course we do. And then we teach them right from wrong. Remember we are fallen children to start with.
Having a Birth is – results in having “birth pains”. We got to still keep our faith till we are complete in Jesus Christ. As Long as your heart Loves Jesus Christ – He will never forsake HIS children. He knows we are carnal. And He will help us in due time if we KEEP THE FAITH – That is HIS Promise.
It seems like the Mind just cannot comprehend how much power you have when you have the Holy Spirit on your side and living in you. We have to let the Holy Ghost – “abba father” Teach us His way.
The Spirit IN YOU brings the NEW CHARACTER= NATURE when you receive Jesus as your Savior.
You just like a little child to begin with. We have to Cultivate it away from the Tree of knowledge and death. That is our Work of FAITH. It takes time to find your place in the kingdom of thisworld.
How much more will it take to find your place into the “Kingdom of God”.
Discouragement come’s to us all.
Keep speaking to your Mountain and it will have to fall. That really means you will climb it till you get to the top. Confessing Faith and the Scriptures every step of the way.
Do you remember when I tried to tell this forum. That John in Rev. 4 was Raptured – come up hither – Now we should know what the REAL Rapture is by now. Check out every word in those 3 or 4 verses by the greek whatever. You will see it is John climbing and walking and removing “his mountain” that stood in his way and could not see the panoramic view that Christ had for him yet in his old age. Remember He was in prison on Patmos when this went on. Read Mark 11:2 on speaks of LEGO FAITH. We build are city of refuge one lego of faith at a time.
Tell me who was perfect in the O.T — I would say Joseph typed out Christ to a “T”. BUT
Look at Abraham’s faith. He disobeyed God all the time. Yet God said – he was faithful Abraham. He went into Egypt when God said do not go into Egypt twice. He was going to give his wife away to a king to save his own flesh. He listened to Sarah and went into her “bondslave” to have the Promied child that God said he would have by Sarah. That ended in a night mare for us all. Abraham was in the line that produces Jesus Christ. David an adulterer and murderer suffered. Yet God knew the Heart of David was of GOD – That is what the LORD looks at. We today are like Pharisee alot cause all we do is judge by the OUTER appearance. Even when we speak – it is an outer speech which some not learned will stumble after. This is true. Said by Peter – hard to understand – But he never quit.
I do not for a moment think you can practice sin= unbelief and be prosperous if you are a Christian. God called us to Holiness. But it is a WALK – Paul said it was a GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH —– What is FAITH believing in the NOT SEEN but knowing its their.
Last point – ROMANS 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Notice in this short verse is 2 kinds of hearing
So let’s see what it is really saying here.
Faith cometh by hearing — that is the way it comes into our natural man and mind – but next it says and hearing by the Word “of God” – it takes turning your Mind and Soul over to God’s Voice of understanding to really get the understanding of what faith is,
Gift of Knowledge, and Wisdom come from GOD not man – they are gifts of GOD to his Children that need it all the time.
Lighthouse
Lighthouse, I fundamentally agree with what you state.
Believers should have no desire to sin and if they sin intentionally at some stage God will cast them out (Heb 10:26-35). That desire comes from the “free will” God gives us.
The Holy Spirit in the believer will convict them of sin and lead them to repentance or to not sin in the first place.
The more we deny self the more the Holy Spirit has control in our lives.
The preachers who preach “once saved always saved,” struggle with the “great apostasy” (2 Thess 2:3), also with what John had to say in Rev 3:5, where it states, “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
We have Ananias and Sapphira who being believers deceived the Holy Spirit and paid the price.
God bless the discerners.
Allan, do you really think Ananias and Sapphira were true believers? I question if they were, as I feel a true believer, those who are truely “born of the Holy Spirit” being born of God’s Spirit would not have the desire to do something like they did and lie to the Holy Spirit- but I could be wrong.
truthjuice and Allen,
They were struck dead for faking their faith, truly not Believers?
Do you think someone can have their name blotted out of “the book of life ” when the name was never there to begin with?
A Believer’s name would be written in and then could be blotted out.
Maybe there two poor souls are examples to Believers for a reason (Isaiah 33:6).
Blessings
Psalm 51
DJ, well that’s kinda my thinking as well. That they (Ananias & wifey poo) weren’t true children of God in the first place.
And that they were just made an example of because God wanted to show who truely was of God and who wasn’t.
Do you think someone can have their name blotted out of “the book of life ” when the name was never there to begin with?
A Believer’s name would be written in and then could be blotted out.
DJ, right. I agree. A believer’s name would be written in and then could be blotted out.
Is that what you think happened to Annanias & co.? That they were true believers but blotted out, or do you think they were never believers to begin with?
thanks bro. Allen – Shalom brother
Everybody seems to ignore the fact that the “Jews” of present day Israel are not SEED of Abraha. They converted from NOTHING to Judaism +-800 After Christ. Are you guys telling me that Christ never came? If some one who converted to Judaism Just to have a religuion (Like the Khazars did) will they autmatically qualify as “SEED” of Abraham?
Guys ‘n Gals, please study history before you try to understand Bible history and present day history.
These people are the first Beast of Rev 16 – 20
derick
anyone who sticks to a religion for 1214 years, and goes through persecution for their faith, IS a Jew !!!!!!!
if faith was just for some superficial reason, they would have given it up centuries ago.
Well there are those who “say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” Rev 2:9. And Jesus said of them ” Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” Rev 3:9.
There really ARE some folks who “say” they are true jews but they are lieing OR they are decieved. I’ve read about those fake kahzars. But then again, if they accept Jesus and become born again of God’s Holy Spirit, they can be “adopted” into His family.
Me, I consider myself an ephramite, just one of the 12 “tribes” of Israel. But everyone who is a member of the tribes STILL has to be “born again” even if they ARE true ethnic physical Israelites. Cuz a lot of true ethnic Israelites
A lot of folks don’t KNOW they are really ethnic Israelites…ie the “anglo-saxsons” which is just a
reject Jesus and will end up in hell.
cont. haveing trouble posting…
The Anglo-saxons is just another name for “Isaac’s sons” …get it?…anglo SAXON which the translation got lost down thru the ages….the tribes of Israel were MORE than just the jews…which is the tribe of Israel…they have 11 other tribes that are mentioned.
MOST people just assume that “jews” = israeli and this is not true.
True Israel is made up of 12 tribes. BUT in orde to make it into God’s kingdom, even if you ARE a tre ethnic israelite, you MUST be born again and the majority of Israel is BLIND. And they REJECT their birthright.
maybe anglo saxons say they are jews, but are nOT
this kazar thing is an epidemic started by satan..
I don’t think you get it. But you will have to do your own homework about it.
Khazars did not exist when revelation was written.
jews that said they were jews, but rejected their own messiah are the ones jesus is talking about
Maranne, Just ask God about it and be honest with Him.Put aside your preconcieved ideas about who the tribes are. He will show what the truth is.
benjamin is a tribe
Yep, benjamin is one of the tribes of Israel. I said that when I mentioned Apostle Paul. He was from the tribe of Benjamin. There are 12 tribes that make up Israel as we know.
You are right. However, I am referring to these criminals who call themselves Jews, but are not. Go read Revelation. They are not SEED of Abraham as per Gen 12:7.
you are taking upon yourself to define who is a jew and who isn’t.
you cannot do that.
only God makes decisions like that….who is sincere or real, and who isn’t.
you cannot just pick out a population of people, and label them
Derick,
Ya know Apostle Paul couldn’t technically be called a “jew” because as he said, he came from the tribe of benjamin, which was just one of the 12 tribes. Yet, he was still an Israelite. Or you could call him a “benjaminite”.
I think the true definition in scripture of the term Jews got messed up and really it meant ALL the tribes, just not Judah.
So Jesus was know as “King of the jews” or all the 12 “tribes” of Israel. People get confused on that. The term “jews” is just used in a generic form here it seems.
I am referring to the criminals in “Israel” who stole the cloak of God’s people. Recorded history tells us that they are Khazars, not Israelites or Judaists. Satan placed them there. Please study your Bible.
derick
You are not getting your information out of the bible, but from the internet which is full of antisemitic propaganda.
You give satan a lot of credit , and God no credit at all.
Marianne, Derik isn’t antisemetic. He is just telling you the true history.
Scripture REALLY DOES say some folks call themselves “jews” but are really not ethnically jews, or Israelites. You should do some unbiased reading about who the Khazars were and are. Even some of their desecdents say they did not have one ounce of true “jewish” blood in them- but were actually of “turkish” descent…a type of turkish ancestory.
The information is their if you look with a unbiased mind and set aside any preset prejudice. Personally, I witness to this truth. And I am not prejudiced in the least. Still scripture says it. It’s a lie that has been perpatrated from a long time ago to fool the elect.
But true saints are waking up to this.
You yourself could actually be a true ethnic Israelite. You have to do your homework to see where all the Israelite tribes scattered to. They went over the caucasus mountais. That’s how we get the term “caucasians’ which were white folks.
Still, bottom line even if you are are true ethnic “israelite” you have to be “born again” of God’s Spirit regardless or you are not getting into His kingdom.
true history, according to WHO?
Please accept my apologies for being a bit harsh. Not every one of the world wide band of people who call themselves Jews, are bad. However, there is a non stop continious wailing about “antisemitism” and all kinds of other nonsense. They do not rebuke, or even admonish, those bad eggs among them that commits all kinds of mischief.
If you read as many Jewish writings as I do, you cannot help but getting angry at what is being said. The strange thing is that the majority of Jews believe the nonsense that is written and or broadcast.
Just to give you a taste of some upsetting things, follow these few links:
Just look at this – and Don’t forget what you see!!
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2014/01/20/lest-we-forget-59/
If the following don’t upset you, nothing will:
You need a Gmail account to see this.
The crucifixion of Yesu – A half naked 12 year old girl on Israel TV mocks Christ.
The following will increase your blood pressure to way above normal (even if nothing else bother you)
Sarah Silverman (Jewess) says “I will Fuc**n kill Christ again if I had the opportunity”.
The worst of all is that her Jewish audience shrieks with laughter.
That Sarah Silverman is nasty.A hebrew isralite who had a conscience, would not insult Christ like that even if they didn’t believe in Him. She is like, reprobate IMO. And God is going to judge her and them if they don’t repent.
However, she could repent and be on God’s good list and not be judged. It’s her choice. But she has a lot of venom.
she is not even a good jew then….just negative person
you are singling out just one group , or subgroup, of people and generalizing.
many jews like jesus but just think he was a misguided prophet who went astray. I have jews as friends who say if jesus comes back, they wil accept him as messiah. these are religious jews, who DO WANT their messiah, whoever he is.
many other jews do not like jesus because he represents the christians who persecuted and put millions of them to death.
in this case, we are responsible for their attitudes.
then in other cases, they are just atheists, like other atheists, who mock christ.
you do not have to be a jew to mock christ.
muslims do it also.
muslims kill christians as unbelievers every day somewhere….why don’t you speak against them?
@ Marianne, that’s true. Don’t disagree with that. But Sarah Silverman is certainly a piece of work. Just sayin.
she is trash, like 80-90% of the world now
Well here’s the thing. She (Sarah) is coming from a place of anger, that’s obvious, to me anyway. She is angry about the fact that she thinks everyone is blaming the jews for killing Christ. So I can see that’s where she is coming from.But her anger is misguided.
It was the “religious” laiety who handed Christ over, not the people…yeah, the people said “crucify him” but it came down to the religious leaders who were full of hypocrisy, greed and jealousy cuz the people were turning their attention to Christ rather than them.
So for Sarah to say that “the jews’ are blamed, and that gives me (Sarah) the right to be totally abhorrant and disrespectful and that it justfies her anger, well it doesn’t. Cuz it’s misguided, midirected anger. Reactionary anger at “them’… the “them’ being those who
believe in Christ…..if we are honest, we ALL killed Christ. But Father had established it that way…He died for ALL our sins…He died for the sins of the whole world
This forum really cuts off the comments for some reason…anyway…just saying that there has got to be some kind of revelation or recognition, really, that only can come from God, that the anger is really a “learned’ anger…just like with any nationality that justifies hating on someone else for no reason…and religion in all forms is based on lies when it should be on relationship WITH God, and acknowledging that He knows more about life than we do and just humbling yourself to a power greater than yourself…yeah, it takes to humility to acknowledge that you don’t know it all and that maybe my anger is not justified and I gotta humble myself and say yeah, maybe i am wrong.
But to say “I wanna go kill Christ all over again” is just plain wrong.
the jews have been treated with extreme prejudice and persecution for a long time.
their view of christians is that they are haters and persecutors.
and for 2000 years, christians have done little to change their mind.
there has been some improvement, and this has been recognized by the jews, but there is a long way to go….
Not denying that…at all. But so have all the religions…there is prejudice in ALL religions…Jesus didn’t come to start a religion whatsoever.He came to re-start a relationship with US…giving us stubborn humans made in Father God’s image, male and female,another freakin chance to change our stupid ignorant selfish ways and to do like He does…walk like His Son, Jesus…that’s all He has ever asked of us and ignorant people choose to refuse His gift of love..and refuse a relationship with Him,..going so far as to die for us, for our sins, our foolishness, our selfishness
Yeah, we really have racked up a reputation of stupidity and selfishness.
Jesus pointed to a way out…a better way to live and thats what He’s saying to all of us…make a freakin CHOOSE who are you gonna serve…yourself or God?
ah, I meant “choice’…spelling is not my strong point.
I mean really, God has been LONG suffering with us humans…we try His patience every day and yet He still bears with us and gives us multiple chances to do right….but time is running out for a lot of us.
Show a few examples prior to the 20th century, please.
I have read up on all 800+ so called pogroms over the past 1300 years. In every single case the population of the area or country became sick and tired of the arrogance of the people who call themselves Jews. No Jew were ever persecuted exclusively because of his religion. However, more than 3 million Christians were killed in Palestine by the so called Jews since 1947.
But then I suppose killing Palestinian Christians is OK as long as Jews do the killing because Jews dont regard Palestinians as human anyhow.
The Armenian holocaust was commited by Turkish Jews (nearly 2 million Christians intentionally killed). The soviet revolution was lead by 12000 Jews from New York and the Jews only started to lose their power after Kruschoff.
The Zionist Jews were responsible for both world wars. Get a life and go and study HISTORY, not the proaganda that is fed to you as history.
It is rather expensive, but you cab buy “entry” to the archives of all large newspapers of the 20th century. It also take a lot of work to go through these things: It took me 15 years of concerted study.
Where ever the Khazars went in Europe, they caused trouble and then the “Real” genetic Jews were killed by angry mobs.
If you keep on being as stubborn in denying the truth, I can only assume that you are a Zionist asset.. It wont help to ask you Jewish friends, they will obviously deny their guilt.
As I have said before, I dont hate Jews in general, I am only reacting to their vile accusations and actions – and they do these things because they believe that their religion elevates them above every one else.
I personally know a few very decent Jews, who dont want anything to do with the criminal activities of theri “tribal” members.
We live in a world right now that really does hate God and thinks it knows better how to run this planet but we knew that didn’t we, cuz God said it beforehand in scripture. That people are going to do their own selfish ways and reject the free gift of life He gave us……talk about biting the hand that feeds you….people really have a God phobia now…
And that makes Satan real happy (dysfunctionally ) now…cuz he Satan, is real and he really does hate us humans who were made in the image and likeness of God our Father. And if God the Most High, heavenly Father is not your God, then by default, whether you realise it or not, you follow Satan.
There ain’t no middle ground. Go serve the “god’ of this world Satan with everything thats in you or serve the LIVING God the Father who gave you breath of life but choose the side you wanna be on cuz their is no middle ground.
amen
actually i do not see which post you are referring to, with the bad language…
oh I was just commenting on that video Derik West posted on Sarah Silverman
I read two Jewish newspapers every day. I also read a weekly magazine. I had the knowledge long before the internet even started.
Agreed. People must understand that God does not want to destroy any one. He wants to save every soul. However, we cannot defend a band of people who are haters of Christ at worst and non believers at best. Peace and blessings to you.
Yeah, like you have to not have a conscience when you are going to mock a crucifixion. That is sick. Even if you didn’t believe in Jesus, it is a sick act to mock the suffering of someone else even if you didn’t believe that “someone” was the messiah. I can’t watch that video but that girl if she’s young, has probably been brainwashed to believe the way she does by her parents.
Unfortunately a lot of kids get handed down their evil ways by their parents who are blind at the least, and reprobate at the worst. I call that having your conscience seared with a hot iron like scripture says.
Wrong! I am simply responding to the overwhelming world wide noise by Jewish organisations. Look at Hungary this very minute Jan 19th 2014. The Jews are threatening the government because the government is acting realistically and not in the emotional fashion the Jews want.
How would you like it if every time the US government says they will fight terror, all Muslims started a riot. This is what Jewish organisations are doing in effect..
If somebody speaks the truth he is either a racist or an antisemitist or a new nazi, or something with negative connotation.
derick
the muslims DO threaten the government every time they mention what Islamic terror is doing.
our spineless governments just give into them.
you have not seen the protests of muslims on the news?????
the jews appeal for justice, the muslims threaten and do violence
Just shows how completely you have been brainwashed. What more do you want the “mark” on your forehead?
Observing the above comments, it would appear Derick that you are either anti Jew or anti Israel or both?
Whether your history is correct or not read the OT.
How many Jews died when led out of Egypt at the hands of God for disobeying or not trusting God? Gen 32:28; Nos 11:33; 14:29, 36; 16:26-31; 47-48.
Yes, there are some really evil Jewish people in the world in banking and in the political field especially communism.
These political Jews generally hate Israel and are against the land of Israel.
Christians have persecuted the Jews for over 600 years namely under the Catholic church, even Hitler was influenced by the Catholic church.
It is spiritual warfare.
If Satan can destroy the Jews then he proves God a liar.
If Satan can destroy Israel then he also proves God a liar.
God knows who the true ethnic Jews are (Rev 14).
Islam is the religion of Satan.
Islam’s number is 666.
If you support or defend Islam then you are not a child of God for Islam is the enemy of God.
Islam does not accept that Jesus was God in the flesh or that Jesus was the Son of God or that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead.
God bless the discerners.
What most are not getting on here (Allan, Marianne and others) is that most of you do not understand just WHO a true Israelite is.
Think about this for a moment before you have a knee jerk reaction.
MOST think that to be called an Israelite = being a “jew” by physical birth.
And that the “jews’ are the “chosen” people.
WRONG.
If any care to really study about this, there were and are TWELVE tribes
that make up the totality of what we call Israel.
The ‘jews” are but ONE of the 12 tribes. There are 11 other tribes. So far, so good.
What MOST do not realise is, that after the two kingdoms of Israel,after Solomon died, the two Israelite kingdoms divided, basically, the tribes of Judah and Benjamin were in the south (the Southern kingdom) and the other 10 tribes were in the north (the Northern kingdom)
But here’s the thing: BOTH “kingdoms” of Israel, sinned against the Lord. That means ALL the tribes were doing bad.
So what did God do to them? He allowed BOTH kingdom , the North and the South, to be taken captive and carried away to foreign lands.
Now this brings me to my point.
What MOST people do not realise is, that the Northern kingdom, for the most part, DID NOT RETURN to their homeland in Israel. That would be the 10 Northern kingdoms of Israel.
Got that? Good. Let’s continue.
The Southern kingdom, made up mostly of Judah and Benjamin, DID return to their original homeland. Read it. It’s in scripture.
Ok, so now WHERE did all those 10 Northern kingdoms GO since they never returned to their homeland?
MOST IMPORTANT POINT: These 10 Nothern kingdoms went NORTH. Where They were NORTH over the CAUCASUS MOUNTAINS and guess what? THEY are now presently known as CAUCASIANS!
But wait a minute? Are you saying these present day “caucasians’ were ANCIENT ISRAELITES???!!!
YES! DAMN RIGHT I”M SAYING THEY WERE AND ARE AND MOST DO NOT REALISE THIS!!! So if you happen to be of the “caucasian” persuasion, YOU might very well be an true “ethnic’ Israelite!
These 10 “tribes” of Israel were NORTH to NORTHERN
nations….do the math…
What nations are NORTH of the physical country, area of Israel? You can figure that out.
So basically what I am saying is MOST caucasians DO NOT KNOW they TOO are physical Israelites! But see, that’s why they were called LOST> And remember, Jesus said He came to the “lost sheep of the “house of Israel”
Now are you getting it???
This is NOT being racist. It’s stating a fact of history….Does that mean that what most think of as the “church” is superior to the “jews”. Of course not. They are our brothers.
But EVERY one of all of the tribes of Israel and everyone else for that matter, who wants to make it into the Kingdom of God MUST be “born again” of God’s Holy Spirit or you are not making it in regardless of your Israelite heritage because God is not respecter of persons.
ANYONE who joins himself to the Lord Yeshua Jesus Christ will be welcomed into His kingdom. But we got to stop putting our heads in the sand and realise just WHO we really are folks!
You have been lied to from the get go by those “who say they are jews but are not and lie”.
WHO is ISRAEL continued….
So bottom line, whether you are “ethnic” Israelite” be it either a “jew” or from the other 11 tribes….whatever your ethnic persuasion, you can become an israelite spiritually if you become born again and join yourself to the Most High God by accepting His Son Jesus, Yeshua and what He did by dieing on the cross for your sins because we ALL sin….the human race has all sinned against the true and living God and done bad and we have made Him ashamed to be called His children because we stubbornly reject what He has said for us to do in His word the scriptures..
We ALL have sinned against the Lord…BUT we can get back in His good graces by turning our lives over to Him and thru His grace and help, we can ovecome ALL our sins and do right. And when we blow it, we can run to Daddy and say sorry and change our selfish ways.
We have a choice. To do righteousness or to do selfishness which is SIN.e can do it God’s way or we can do it our own way which is Satan’s way because he Satan,
wants us to disreguard the TRUTH of God and “do as thou wilt” In others words, think only of ourselves and not about what pleases God or what helps our fellow man.
So, we can be selfish and do it OUR way and end up in hell when we die, OR we can deny ourselves, do it God’s way and end up for all eternity in His Holy Kingdom.
Now what sounds like a better deal to you folks?
If you have any questions about what this “Israel” heritage thing is I will be glad to try and answer it.
And NO God has preserved the Holy Land of Israel because that is where He is going to be ruling when He returns.
So many of the true jews, who do not know Jesus have been established in Israel and they are being prepared to accept Him when He returns…they got a veil on their eyes until that time. Like al lot of us other israelites who don’t know who we really are.
It’s time to wake up and smell the coffee and realise we are drawing near to the end of all things in THIS
AGE
to prepare us for the NEXT AGE to come which is Jesus physical RULE on earth from Jerusalem.
But folks there are fake false jews running around and how do you know them? BY THEIR FRUIT just like Jesus said. And He will remove them at His timing.
But facts are facts and you gotta get busy and do your homework like a good berean to show yourself approved on this issue of WHO Israel is.
The word “jew” is a catch all term for Israelite, no matter how the term originated.
There are people in Israel today who can trace their bloodline to one of the 10 tribes you think are missing as Caucasians.
if you read the epistles in the bible, you will see that they were never lost….the apostles knew exactly where to go to find them. Many were in turkey…..
modern israel is a mix of all 12 tribes. they are not fake jews….they have DNA tests to prove who they are
you are forgetting that most of europe, who are Caucasians, are descendants from the lineage of japeth, son of noah… so just because someone is white, does not make them Israelite.
@Marianne, you do not know how wrong you are in some of what you say ! But you are partly right in that you say it about being a circumcision of the heart”..that’s true!
You have to have a circumcision of the heart to be a true “jew” or a citizen of heaven.
But I stand by what I wrote.
Not talking about Japeth here- I am talking about the true ethnic lineage of WHO is an “Israelite” “physically” and the Northern 10 tribes of Israel DID INDEED travel NORTH thru the caucasus mountains and into countries like England, the british Isles, Sweden,
they were called “gentiles” but many of them were REALLY from the Lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Denmark, Germany etc etc. BUT they ALSO dispersed, even before that to Greece and thoughout all the mediteranean. That’s WHY Paul went their but at time the Israelites lost thei identy and just were called “
Also, BEFORE this, the “lost sheep” who didn’t know who they were went also to areas like greece and rome….Paul thought he was going to gentiles but he really was going to a lot of Lost Israelites.
As i said to you earlier, YOU could very well be a physical “Israelite” and not know it…
That Derick guy is right in the fact that there were those ethnic people who became “jews” but really did not one once of true jewish blood in them…they were know as the Khzars and they “adopted” the jewish religion. They were of Turkish descent.
Do your homework before you discount what i am saying and then get back to me.
you have no physical proof of what you say.
like I said, all 12 tribes are represented in modern Israel
I have read this kazhar propaganda on the internet….does not make it true
Have you even studied like a berean to see if what i am saying MAY have some merit? Or do you just ignorantly put your head in the sand and your hands over your ears and refuse to examine the matter?
That is called being foolish.
Research what Arthur Koestler a “jew’ who researched that many calling themselves were not jewish at all but were in fact of Turkish descent.
Many jews are admitting this fact today. They can still be saved as well. Just as anyone can.
asking for proof is not foolish.
most of the 10 tribes WERE in Turkey at the time of the apostles.
it says so in the bible…..
I DO agree with you as to who is a spiritual jew now.
because on the salvation of jesus matters now
truthjuice –
All that are “circumcised in Heart” are true Jews. Just as Abraham was a Gentile – but God gave them a “Token” that set them apart from the rest of the world. By Faith they were “Circumcised ” and it was counted for then as righteousness.
Father Abraham become a Jew – set apart for Gods purpose.
Today if by Faith we are willing to “cut away the old flesh man” = then God gives us a “Token” of a Brand New Creation through Jesus Christ. And Jew and Gentile have to have this “token” or Mark of Character the same as Jesus Christ Character. It is so simple I cannot understand why we make it so complex when it is so simple.
Traditions are a killer – here is what Paul says is a JEW.
ROM. 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
ROM. 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
JEW — defined in O.T
To confess (the name of God) –To confess sin–To give God praise and thanks– strength, power (figurative)–various special, technical senses — sign, monument — Judah = “praised” Judah was said to be linked to Jesus Christ as ancestors.
HEBREW– O.T defined = “one from beyond”
1. We are the aliens of the Worlds Kingdom – As the World is alien to Gods Kingdom
2. region beyond/across, side – side, opposite side
3. To alienate
4. to impregnate, – to cause to pass over, cause to bring over, cause to cross , dedicate, devote
5. God called Abraham – a Hebrew yet he was a Gentile
Lighthouse
@ Lighthouse, see my comments to Mariane. I do not disagree with you about WHO a true jew is spiritually speaking and what matters to God.
It IS the HEART that He looks at. That is true. I was merely explaining the “ethnic” truth of WHO the Israelites were and are physically speaking.
I know this is real hard for a lot of you to understand cuz you can’t get passed what you were taught about who Israel really is.
Granted a lot of us got a whole lot of races mixed up in us and God is no respector of persons, but it happened the way it did for a reason and we have been LIED to for a long time about who the Israelites were and are. But what i am saying is the truth here and if any one truely does the research they will see I am right.
I don’t doubt that Marianne is honest and sincere in her approach. Problem is, she is way to inexperienced,and has not had 80 years time to do research. Furthermore she has been brainwashed like most westerners.
My initial argument was that Sharon is a war criminal and should not be eulogized.
I also did not try to assail any body’s faith. What I do say, and what has already been proven scientifically and factually, is: 96% of all so-called Jews in the territory called Israel are of Khazar (Japheth’s) descent. They used the Bible to fool an uninformed an uncaring West into believing that they are descendents of Jacob (Israel).
A Zionist Jew, not someone hating the Khazars, did the research. The same researcher found that nearly 40% of the “Palestinians” that are illegally forced of their traditional land are in fact Israelite descendants.
I therefore say that any CHRISTIAN who support these fakes that call themselves Jews are against God’s will. God never said that Khazarians could steal “Israelite” land simply because they are of a religion that supposedly is Jewish. These “Jews” worship the Babylonian Talmudic religion . They do not adhere to the Tanach which is the true law received by Moses from God.
“In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, of Hebrew University, a biologist, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that 96% of Jews came from Khazar blood. Not only that but Oppenheim discovered that the Palestinians — the very people whom the Jews had been persecuting and ejecting from Israel’s land since 1948 — had more Israelite blood than did the Jews. In sum, the vast majority of the Jews were not Jews; some of the Palestinians were. Some of the Palestinians even had a DNA chromosome which established that they were “Cohens”— workers at the ancient Temple and synagogues of the Jews.” – Quote
Also read:
http://www.texemarrs.com/042013/racial_hoax_exposed_article.htm
The newest DNA scientific studies, showing that the people known as the Jews of Israel—and, indeed Jews all over the world—are, in fact, of Khazar, not Israelite origins, is backed by the earlier work of historians.
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These historians found that their scholarly books and reports were immediately attacked by Zionists desperate to maintain the fiction that the Jews could trace their heritage all the way back to Abraham.
Lastly: The reason why nobody knows the truth is because the main stream media is totally controlled by the Khazar Jews. They already set that as their target in 1857 and they now have full control of the minds of people; exactly as foretold in the Bible.
To all
The only Bloodline that will take you to heaven will be the “New Creation” bloodline of Christ – Not Israel. Life is in the bloodline of Jesus Christ which His bloodline was of the GOD kind= blood of God. That’s bible and I’m sticking to it.
Satan has a thousands faces that lead people off into darkness. To much knowledge is one of them. Then they never can lean to have Faith because Faith has no logic. To understand the Word you have to have Faith = Revelation of the Spirit of Jesus Christ . The Holy Spirit was given to the believer to GUIDE them to all truth. That is by the “Spirit of Knowledge” and “Wisdom” as a gift given to you. Yet we all have read and study to hear the Word of God to ever get that Knowledge of Faith. Its all about your Heart not your head.
Lighthouse
Regarding the genetics of the Jews one should read University studies carefully before making assumptions.
Check: http://www.mrbrklyn.com/resources/jewish_genetics2.html
To quote Texe Marrs is a discredit to yourself.
His site is built on sensationalism and conspiracy, making money out of easy-led Christians.
Rather spend your time in the Bible finding out what Jesus said.
For what you “do” for Jesus will not get burnt in the fire.
God bless the discerners.
Yea Allen – My grandpa, grandpa’s , grandpa’s were Christian. But the only problem with that is the God does not have “grand children” only Sons and Daughter’s of God. Born again New Creations
If we went by the traditions of the “dark ages” Does this make us Christians of course not. It makes us unbelievers if we believe like the Catholic’s who still worship the Pope. And put the Millennium in the future. With hundreds of other false doctrines of devils.
Do the disciples grandchildren have the “Promise ” of the same Experience as did their Fathers of the faith. YES THEY DO — BUT –There Children do not automatically have salvation. They have to receive the Same Jesus that their forefathers did.
The teaching today of the Nation of Israel. Are mostly not right. What God promised them was Their Nation in a Day would be established again – that happened in 1948 and 1967 with their city.
Like every Nation has an “election” of a remnant of believers. Its the same with the Jews “elected few”. Then we got scholars that teach ALL of Israel will be saved. Yes that is truth when its talking about the “elected few”out of their own Nation just as every other nations the same.
Then the scholars add 3-1/2 years for this to happen. So satan just drives them farther away from the truth with all kinds of distractions. Some say pre, Mid, post — and the people are all caught up in the “confusion” and miss Christ who is here already living in His people.
Lord bless you:
Their is a Lighthouse that revels the troubled seas and straits. If Men would just look at the Lighthouse they could see clearly and escape it. With their Soul in tact. The Word is the Lighthouse when seen with the Light of Gods understanding.
But its a pity so many will listen to false prophets that are in the multitudes instead of the Word of God that is the remnant who understand. Like the Proverb the “Dog goes right back to its vomit” and thinks nothings wrong with it. Proves his nature has always been a dog. I know most will go ahead and hate me or whatever. But its the truth. I did not write that its in the Bible. For some reason. amen. Dogs will never enter into the Light of the New Jerusalem. Which has been promised in the Church ages. Rev. 2 and 3 not in the sweet bye and bye. After you dead you will be where you was living in this life. Just be so much greater.
Lighthouse ministries. bro. ty
amen
So true, tomsr888.
As believers we should fear God.
If we love Jesus we will hate sin.
1 Peter 4:18 “If the righteous one is scarcely saved, where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
That statement makes “once saved always saved” a total deception.
God looks at our heart.
What we do for “self” is burnt in the fire, what we do for Jesus counts in eternity. That also applies to the churches.
God bless the discerners.
Read what the True Torah Jews have to say about Israel http://www.truetorahjews.org/
This discussion has nothing to do with going anywhere, whether Hell or Heaven.
The argument is that we as Christians are allowing a bunch of criminals to steal the land of Christians in Palestine, because we belief the trash purveyed by false prophets who call themselves Christians.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Ashkenazis.are.not.the.descendants.of.the.Ancient.Israelites.htm
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with criminals: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
OR
are you saying Christians should close their eyes and pretend crime is not happening?
If that is your attitude, your faith is worth nothing. Thou shalt not be a victim, Thou shalt not be a perpetrator And above all, THOU SHALT NOT BE A BYSTANDER – Yehuda Bauer
the holy land was given to the jews, not the christians. jews living there are not criminals…..the palestinians are terrorists and liars….the bible says they will be destroyed because of their hatred of the chosen people.
the jews are the vine, and christians are grafted into the vine….but the land still belongs to the jews, and the christians dwell there in peace with the jews
the criminals are the palestinians…and arabs around them that want to wipe Israel off the map.
apparently , you hate jews, and want to see Israel destroyed….i cannot help you there….you just have to seek god and repent of the hatred.
Allen, Here is a nice picture of your beautiful Jewish Friends. http://wp.me/p2dGk-gqs
that woman is an exception….most jews, in fact, almost all jews, are not like her.
she has a lot of anger and bitterness because of the way Christians persecuted the jews in world war 2
Marianne, You are under the influence of WW2 propaganda. That stuff has all been refuted, but because the Zionists controll the media through their Free Mason networks, nobody knows the truth. What are you, a Christian or what?
weskofin, read all the Bible before you make assumptions. God gave the land to the Jews, if you want to argue with God’s Word, that is your prerogative.
If you hate the Jews you are not a Christian because hate has consumed you and while Jesus is love the love of God is not in you.
Why should the Jews trust Christians when over the past almost 2000 years they have crucified the Jews.
If you are a liberal, then I can understand your hate of the Jews.
Liberals believe Israel is the cause of Islamic anger and that if they get rid of the Jews then the anger of the Muslims will go away.
This is an absolute lie, straight out of hell.
Again, I reiterate, it is a spiritual warfare, Satan and his followers against God, Jesus, Israel and the Jews and true believers.
You must decide what side you are on because Satan is using and will use any means that he can to delude anyone and everyone.
The slogan of the Muslims is “kill the Jews on a Saturday and the Christians on a Sunday.
If Satan’s armies can destroy Israel and the Jews then Satan can call God a liar.
Obama and Kerry are just tools of Satan, if you voted for Obama you voted for a soldier of Satan, you need to repent.
Muslims are hell bent on destroying Israel, they have a progressive plan of piece by piece of the land of Israel.
Islam will not recognize Israel, which Islamic country recognizes Israel?
We are living in possibly the most exciting times of the Bible, many prophets would have loved to live in this “end-times” period.
As Obama/Kerry push Israel into submission and surrender watch God reveal Himself.
God loves mocking those who do not believe, a good example is the “global warming lie”.
We have the 2nd cold freeze hitting the mid and east US.
A quacko professor trying to prove global warming sails down to the Antarctic and does not get within 100kms of the “non ice”, they get iced-in!
That is God at work.
God bless the discerners.
Allen, You are obviously totally under the influence of Babylonian propaganda. Do your research. I agree, Palestine belong to the Jews (Israelites) not to the Khazars. NOT TO THE KHAZARS. Or are you trying to tell me that Christ died in vain? The Israelites were only the carriers of the light towards Christ. However, they murdered him instead.
You are being intentionally Anti God.
In the last days the overwhelming deception will be so great that definitely only the elect will not be deceived. If you say murdering is OK, then so it be. However, Christianity is the succession of what God intended.
I wont help you. Just look up how many times God told the “Jews” that he is “finished” with them. Even Jesus, himself, condemned them when he said God can make children of Abraham out of stone.
And Marianne, the people (Christians) who are being murdered by these criminals are (genetically) of Israeli descent.
this kazar stuff is an anti semitic myth…..
palestinians may be related going back to abraham, but they are descended from Ishmael, not Jacob.
God has never told the jews he was finished with them.
christ died for everyone, but the land belongs to the jews. no matter where they returned from.
All Christians need to read this site to understand the history of Christianity and Islam.
Forum for Middle East Understanding (FFMU)
Why the American Church Sucks
http://shoebat.com/2014/01/28/american-church-sucks/
Why the American Church Sucks – Walid Shoebat
shoebat.com
Harlot, Crusades, Churches, History, Islam, Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Bible, War, Militancy, Israel, Church
Ok Allen. I read http://shoebat.com/2014/01/28/american-church-sucks/.
I surrender. Christianity is a farce. Only the Babylonian Jewish religion seems valid. That is, if I have to believe the comments on this site.
Thanks, and Goodbye, I know when I’m beaten.
I am just wandering when is the last time that any of you fools visited Palestine?
So, Nobody took the trouble to answer the question whether a Christian should close his/her eyes to wrong doing against God’s creation (people), or do you believe (like the Talmud) that only Jews are human and the rest (you and me) are Animals. Get yourselves a Talmud and read the despicable book. Remember the Tanach is the true book of Gods Israelitic children, not the Babylonian Talmud. Wake up people!!!
Oh! And please excuse my temper; even Jesus stormed into the temple and toppled the tables of the money changers and other abusers of the Temple.
By taking the side of murderers, you are in effect crucifying Jesus a second time.
So! If you are not a Christian believer, forget this debate, it is not applicable to you.
wes
obviously you have never read the talmud. It is an explanation of civil law.
ther is nothing despicable in it.
you are brainwashed.
the whole world is doing wrong against Israel and God’s people, but God will deliver them from their enemies.
gentiles are not considered animals unless they act that way.
we ALL are responsible for the death of Jesus…..our sins killed him…the sins of the whole world…not just the sins of the jews.
Weskofin,you’ll have to excuse Marianne.
She is willfully ignorant unfortunately. She chooses to live in ignorance instead of educating herself on this topic. She will have to learn the hard way like so many others who call themselves “christians’ -those deluded,who choose not to have objective discernment went it comes to this issue.
The talmud is indeed an evil blasphemous EXTRA- non canoniacal book, not approved by Yahweh.A book like the Talmud endorses things Yahweh would NEVER endorse nor condone. Like having sex with minors…oh, that’s just “one” of it’s evil endorsements. There are too many sick practices and teachings to admit here.Sad that so many like Marianne, cast a blind eye to some of it’s teachings.
Her emotions over the subject of “Israel’ blind her to the evils that are really going on, on both sides of the issue.She, like so many others, have fallen prey to the delusional propaganda of this age.
the talmud never says this….you are lying….
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Talmud/talmudtoc.html
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm
try reading it first before you quote things that are NOT there.
if you really want to find the truth…
then go to a local synagogue, and ask to read the Talmud in their library.
Better do your homework and read what it REALLY says from UNbiased sources.
I very quickly and easily found but one link descibing some of the Talmud’s practices…you can do your own unbiased research..
Perhaps you were only shown a antiseptically wiped clean version of the Talmud they show to gentiles, but NOT what was originally written.
But why even endorse and EXTRA non biblical book in the first place? Very strange. God says not to add to His words.
Just but ONE Link:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Judaism/talmud_child_sex.htm
there is only one talmud.
it is just a discussion of what the civil law in deuteronomy means.
instead of attacking something you are ignorant of, why not just go to a synogogue, and look for yourself?
or are you scared to find out you are wrong?
they only have one talmud in the library….
written by jewish priests, not babylonians….
they just happen to be in babylon when they compiled it.
No it’s not just a discussion of civil law. It’s MORE than that. You are willfully ignorant. Sad. But that’s your choice to stay in ignorance.And God gives that choice.
you have never read it , have you.????
I have…..and that garbage is NOT in there
explaining the Word of God is NOT the same as replacing the word
Weskofin, I agree. The Tanach is the the ONLY true book of God’s true Israelite people as well as all the other books of the bible.The Talmud is an “added” to book, written by man NOT inspired by God Most High, and to even consider it as legit is “suspect” at the very least. It was NEVER on par with the biblical law of the Tanach.
Those who accept the Talmud align themselves with Babylon and God clearly tells us to “come out of” babylon and not share in her sins.
Reader beware, lest you be judged along with her!
Weskofin, no one is getting at you personally.
Your views come across as anti Israel and anti Jew.
This is a discussion forum. You have your views we have ours.
We are simply stating what we believe and you the same.
No need to get off your horse.
We are all sinners, not only the Jews.
Salvation comes through Jesus and if you reject Jesus then you cannot spend your eternity in heaven, whether Jew or gentile.
God bless the discerners.
Shall we continue?
Talmud Permits Child-Adult Sex
http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html
you read anti semitic garbage
get a life…….
read the REAL talmud and find out the truth…
you don’t really want to know the truth, so you are hopeless….
Foolish woman! Stay in your ignorance then-you’ve made your head in the sand choice! Those who REALLY love the truth will find it.
you refuse to read the talmud, so you hate the truth.
you choose ignorance and internet propaganda, instead of a sincere pursuit of the truth
you made your choice to refuse to read the talmud for yourself.
perhaps you did not go far enough in school to learn how to read.
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you are hopeless
I have read most of the disgusting and perverted Talmud and have researched it extensively.
Can you say the same old gal? I gather not.
You are WILLFULLY ignorant and foolish and just don’t like being told the truth that you CHOOSE to put your head in the sand and do not educate yourself.
Poor dear. I hope you see the light one day.
You are one of the most arrogant and ignorant people I have come across. Do everyone a favor and take your poison somewhere else. You have proved who you are NOT; and that is a believer in Messiah Yahshua. Marianne, if I were you I would block this individual. Common decency, whether we agree or not, is necessary. This is over the top!
You lie.
you have read nothing but propaganda.
Martin Luther on the Jews and Their Lies: Great protestant reformer Martin Luther not only took on the Vatican and its lies but also vigorously opposed the horrific lies of the Jewish rabbis and their vile religion, Judaism. Luther did so in spite of the Jews’ threat to assassinate and shut him up. The last sermon Luther delivered was a warning to the Christian Church to beware of the hatred, satanic practices, and lies of the Jews and their wicked Talmud. Discover what Luther said and why he said it. Eye-Opening!
martin luther was anti semitic…..and should not have any respect for his hatred
Luther used violent and vulgar language throughout his career. While we do not expect religious figures to use this sort of language in the modern world, but it was not uncommon in the early 16th century.
Christian Zionism is an even bigger danger to humanity than Jewish Zionism.
They both aim at starting WW3. True Christianity is pro peace and does not share life with enemies of Christ. Even if they are not Genetic Jews their religion will make them kill Christ again.
your daddy lucifer must be really proud of you….
“Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by Beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an Animal in human form, and commanded to serve the Jew day and night” – Midrash Talpioth, p225-L
You might want to read everything on the following page: http://come-and-hear.com/navigate.html. The site is about all religions.
A snippet taken from “Come and Hear”.
Howdy! This Carol A. Valentine look-alike welcomes you to Come and Hear™. We are proud to bring you four avenues of research into the Babylonian Talmud — the Jewish Book of Oral Law.
In ancient Israel, traditional laws were passed down by word of mouth from teacher to student, from one generation of Sages to the next. The Oral Law was the traditional learning of the Pharisees, a religious sect and political party. The Sadducees were the religious and political rivals of the Pharisees. The Pharisees eventually committed Oral Law to writing sometime between two thousand and fifteen hundred years ago.
The Oral Law can now be found in the Talmud, which contemporary rabbis tell us is the primary book of law for Jews. Contemporary rabbis are directly attuned with the Pharisees of Jesus’ time through long and intensive study of the Pharisaic teachings in the Talmud.
“The Talmud is, then, the written form of that which in the time of Jesus, was called the Traditions of the Elders.” — Rabbi Michael L. Rodkinson
using your source….. if you would learn to read..
there is no…. Midrash Talpioth !!!!
you are quoting from the satanic version…..which is
fake
fake
fake
Marianne
Since arriving at your site I have read as many of your personal posts and replies as
possible. I don’t where you get some of the stuff you publish: like the Ezekiel 38
explanation. Visit this page http://www.historytallstory.com.
You actually promote anti Christian principles without knowing it. If you believe what you
say, you might as well join Babylonian Talmudic Judaism.
Read this bit below and follow the link to that page and please study it before you reply.
The essay represents only a small part of a very in depth study of the Talmud.
Once you understand the information, you will also understand why the Jews have been
expelled from 109 countries since 250AD.
If you read the whole 30 chapters, you will also understand why the Jews can’t become
Christians: They believe that the Jews ARE Messiah. You, however have to understand the
Babylonian Talmud, before you understand that they are the end time anti Christ that Jesus
referred to.
THE JEWISH PRE OCCUPATION WITH FILTH:
The Talmud book of Yebamoth also concerns the duty to marry a brother’s widow who is
childless. Two volumes of junk and obscenity for its own sake carry the title,
Yebamoth. Another illustration of the “reprobate mind” is the teaching that [Yebamoth 54a]
if a man falls from a roof “and his fall resulted in accidental insertion,” as [Ybamoth 54a
footnote] “When in a state of erection the levir fell from a raised bench upon his
sister-in-law who happened to be below.” Here the great Talmudic “saint” Rashi is cited as
authority. “His commentary on the Talmud is a consummate masterpiece, a remarkable and
gigantic work,” says the 1943 Universal Jewish Encyclopedia. Rashi was born in Troyes,
France, 1040, and died there in 1105.
The above Talmud passage is not reproduced here. It is in Yebamoth 53b-54a (page 356 of the
Soncino edition) and continues the above with the responsibility of a
“levir” or brother-in-law “when, for instance, his intention was intercourse with his wife
and his sister-in-law seized him and he cohabited with her.” [Yebamoth 54a]
The passage is merely an excuse to indulge the “reprobate mind” in uncleanness. (Romans
1:28) Is it any wonder that Christ likened Pharisees to “unseen graves” (Luke 11) and
“whited sepulchres” (Matt. 23)?
THERE ARE TONS MORE, READ FURTHER AT: http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt05.html
the real, true talmud does not say any of that.
you are copying and pasting from a fake source
I go by what the bible says,, not what false doctrine teaches in modern pulpits.
Marianne
I AM REALLY SORRY IF THIS HURTS YOU
Here is something by an Israeli history professor. He is called Schlomo Sand. I have total sympathy with the man. He just wants to live in peace, but acknowledging the truth.
You can read the book on Kindle for a low, low price if you are a member of Kindle at Amazon.com.
save yourself and your Jewish friends the pain of offense. Buy the book, or read it on line.
I have Jewish friends, but they are enlightened people and are all hoping that the madness called Zionism will come to an end.
Be brave and read this. It can’t hurt you or anybody else.
Another book “The Wandering Who” by Gilad Atzmon is insightful reading
Marianne wrote:
“I go by what the bible says,, not what false doctrine teaches in modern pulpits.”
LOL !!!!! Surely you are making a joke. You are one funny gal!
You are completely BRAINWASHED by the propaganda of todays false jews!
You are totally into ZIONISM lady – Zionism advocates that the Talmud is a “special” and holy book. It is a FILTHY piece of work of which you FAIL to examine objectively.
It has NO place in synagoges across the globe.
The readers can see you are BLIND to the ridiculous defense of a book and the FALSE teachings of the “false” jews…not those who really ARE of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
You could very easily do your homework for yourself but you CHOOSE to stay in your ignorant defense of the FALSE jews.
You are being told the TRUTH by two separate sources yet you
still stubbornly refuse to take your head out of your brainwashed mound of delusion.
Don’t you know that the very ones you are defending are LAUGHING at you because of your gullibleness? They look at you as a stupid goy or goyim. Well, if that’s what you want……at least you have been told…
People CHOOSE their own delusions and you have shown which spirit of ” delusion” you believe.
you are contributing nothing of value to this page, which is about ariel sharon.
since you hate jews, maybe you should go to a hate website….
the hate will not be entertained on this website.
you have no knowledge of the truth, and you will not be allowed to spread your deception here.
keep it up and I will block you
“I go by what the Bible says,, not what false doctrine teaches in modern pulpits.”
Dear lady,
I dont know what Bible you talk about, but whichever one (or twenty) you use, you surely don’t understand what is written in it.
And remember, the talmud is not the Bible. It is a filthy collection of trash compared to the Bible. There are actually Jews who read the Tanach, the true Jewish Bible.
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Further! You tell me where the “real talmud” is found.. There are only two authorized versions and both are mentioned in the link I gave you.
Anyway, you have not read anything that I referred, otherwise your argument would have been somewhat different, even though you might still disagree.
one link you gave gave you one source for online talmud, but you refuse to read it and find out that the propaganda you vomit out is false.
you quote comments that are not found in the talmud that was referenced by you online.
any synagogue near you has a copy.
go educate yourself,
your hatred will end you up in hell…if you don’t repent and change your thinking and ways.
Marianne I think I should stop irritating your conscience before I land in hell.
You blame Christians for all the woes of the people calling themselves Jews. The Jews were not very Christian-friendly right from the start. You may remember a man called Jesus Christ.
You have not yet replied to the question of why the Jews were evicted from of 109 western countries since 250AD. This may just require some study by yourself. The answer is not what your “quick response” would be.
Regards and bye-bye Wes
the bible says that god allowed the ungodly drove them into the 4 corners of the earth….but I do not remember the reference.
it was also promised that god would gather them back into the land of israel…and god has kept his promise.
antisemitism has been around a long time, and precedes Jesus….the arabs have been described as having an “everlasting hatred”
the first christians WERE jews….and most of the jews liked jesus.
it was a very small group of jews who betrayed jesus, not the entire population.
since about 300 ad, paganized christians have demonized and persecuted jews and true christians.
Dearest, Dear Child,
This will, hopefully, be my last communication and now I will leave you in peace.
May the Good Lord, Jesus, be with you and yours.
You are obviously not a Christian. If you are Jewish: peace be with ye. I don’t hate Jews, I just hate sin and crime.
Just remember Jesus came to save the children of Israel from the Babylonian Satan. If, for you, he died in vain, then so be it. He did ask the “Father” to forgive “them” for “they” knew not what they were doing.
You might just want to look at a fairly simple site that is ultra easy to understand: But, for the sake of the Good Lord, read through all of it: http://www.historytallstory.com
God Be with Ye
being sanctimonious does not make one righteous….
you cannot slander people then act “holy”
Do not respond….
in your own words:
“You are obviously not a Christian”
I am a born again believer….
Do your OWN independent research and then we can talk! STOP trying to deflect and do your OWN homework before you talk about something your CLEARLY know NOTHING about and accept what you have “chosen” to believe.
You have “selective” hearing and thinking.
I have already done my own research.
I have read the talmud…and it does not contain the quotes you say it does.
I follow my own advice….I went to the local synagogue and read it there.
Wes,
she is clearly ignorant of what scripture says. Jesus called these same FALSE jews as ” snakes” brood of vipers’ etc….. the majority of the pharisees who practiced the filthy babylonian talmudic teachings contrary to God. THEY were the FALSE jews of His day when He walked the earth.
Jesus used a lot stronger words than you or I have. She can’t see the truth hidden in plain site, staring her in the face.
Hi,
I came across this article which may interest those commenting here or reading the comments.
The article is on Israel and appears well researched.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Rae/debra248.htm#_ftn1
Interesting article:
The Synagogue of Satan: Those Who Claim To Be Judah But Do Lie
By: Brandon T. Ward
http://brandontward.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-synagogue-of-satan-those-who-claim.html
“Mainstream Christianity MISTAKENLY believes the twelve tribes of Israel were combined into the single tribe of Judah who they perceive to be God’s chosen people. Christians have allowed themselves to be deceived by this lie as they fail to seek out the scriptures and read God’s Word with understanding. Instead, they rely upon the traditions of man which make void the Word of God. In this study we will document from God’s Word who the twelve tribes of Israel are and who those are that claim to be of the tribe of Judah but do lie.
“In order to bring clarity to this subject, we must first understand that all twelve tribes of Israel are God’s chosen people, not any one particular tribe. Have you ever asked yourself what “chosen” by God even means? The twelve tribes of Israel were chosen to bring forth God’s Word, His message to the people of the world whereby all could know Him, whereby all could come to repentance (Acts 10:36). We should understand, “God is no respecter of persons,” He does not pick favorites “But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him,” (Acts 10:34). “Fear” would be better translated “revere”. We love our Father, we are not afraid of Him and no matter who we are, if we love God and follow His Word we are accepted into His righteous arms.”
Today, A PART of the tribe of Judah resides in the nation named Israel. However, all twelve tribes of Israel were scattered upon the earth and form the Christian nations of today.”
Read more @ http://brandontward.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-synagogue-of-satan-those-who-claim.html
Christian nations of today? I can’t think of one Christian nation. All I see are nations that have earned G-d’s wrath.
I wonder if these storms every two weeks, earthquakes, and volcanoes around the world are a message to humans. I’m a bit worried.
god must be mad at NC….we will get a snow storm this weekend, which is the third one in 2 weeks.
Leatherneck:
“Christian nations of today? I can’t think of one Christian nation. All I see are nations that have earned G-d’s wrath.”
I agree with you. But why isolate one comment from that article to the exclusion of the rest of the content?
For those who are against Israel and the Jews you should show me one perfect nation.
Name one nation who denounced Hitler when everyone knew he was slaughtering the Jews.
God’s wrath is against the US, I have said this before, as the US goes against Israel so the God of the Bible will go against the US and Europe.
Obama and Kerry hate Israel and want to destroy Israel, same as their mentor and financier, Soros.
Check this article:
A Warning From 1968
February 14, 2014 by Frontpagemag.com 25 Comments
Reprinted from directorblue.blogspot.com.
Editor’s note: Remembering Eric Hoffer’s prophetic words from 1968:
The Jews are a peculiar people; things permitted to other nations are forbidden to the Jews. Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is no refugee problem. Russia did it, Poland and Czechoslovakia did it. Turkey threw out a million Greeks, and Algeria a million Frenchman.
Indonesia threw out heaven knows how many Chinese and no one says a word about refugees. But in the case of Israel , the displaced Arabs have become eternal refugees. Everyone insists that Israel must take back every single one.
Arnold Toynbee calls the displacement of the Arabs an atrocity greater than any committed by the Nazis. Other nations when victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious, it must sue for peace.
Everyone expects the Jews to be the only real Christians in this world. Other nations, when they are defeated, survive and recover but should Israel be defeated it would be destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed last June [1967], he would have wiped Israel off the map, and no one would have lifted a finger to save the Jews.
No commitment to the Jews by any government, including our own, is worth the paper it is written on. There is a cry of outrage all over the world when people die in Vietnam or when two Blacks are executed in Rhodesia. But, when Hitler slaughtered Jews no one remonstrated with him.
The Swedes, who are ready to break off diplomatic relations with America because of what we do in Vietnam, did not let out a peep when Hitler was slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore, and ball bearings, and serviced his troop trains to Norway.
The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts. And Jewish resources. Yet at this moment, Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only to imagine what would have happened last summer [1967] had the Arabs and their Russian backers won the war, to realize how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the West in general.
I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish, the Holocaust will be upon us all.
By Eric Hoffer, 1968.
God bless the discerners.
I agree.
but for one thing….
if Israel survives, it will not be solely due to jewish efforts, but due to the power of a faithful god.
Allan,
Israel must be isolated so that they will see the hand of God.
Warn US?
Warn the sleeping Churches!
“Awake, you who sleep, arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light” (Ephesians 5:14).
Yes, judgement is coming upon the nations, including US. But it is the end of the age and all must be fulfilled (Matthew 24).
Fig tree lesson: 1947 (“proclamation goes forth” by UN) + 70 yrs (Psalm 90:10. & Jeremiah 29:9-11) = 2017
Jubilee (Leviticus 25:8-13): 1917 (Belfour Proclamation) + 50 = 1967 (Jerusalem) + 50 = Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) 2017.
“Praise the name of the Lord; Praise Him, O you servants of the Lord!
You who stand in the house of the Lord, in the courts of the house of our God,
Praise the Lord, for the Lord is good; Sing praises to His name, for it is pleasant. For the Lord has chosen Jacob for Himself, Israel for His special treasure…
He destroyed the firstborn of Egypt, both of man and beast.
He sent signs and wonders into the midst of you, O Egypt, upon Pharaoh and all his servants. He defeated many nations and slew mighty kings— Sihon king of the Amorites, Og king of Bashan, and all the kingdoms of Canaan—
and gave their land as a heritage, a heritage to Israel His people.
Your name, O Lord, endures forever, Your fame, O Lord, throughout all generations. For the Lord will judge His people, and He will have compassion on His servants (see Jeremiah 65:13-25).
Bless the Lord, O house of Israel!
Bless the Lord, O house of Aaron!
Bless the Lord, O house of Levi!
You who fear the Lord, bless the Lord!
Blessed be the Lord out of Zion, Who dwells in Jerusalem!” (Psalm 135, NKJV).
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=g-high-rec&v=NdUkLtwl_hI
Blessings
Rev. 12:11
Agree with u M, we are all in the hands of God.
Good points DJ.
My understanding of the end times for believers is that we will be totally tested by the world powers/Satan in the coming days and that we need a deep faith and trust in the Lord.
The weak in faith will fall away.
Believers need to live holy lives with a total trust in the Lord or face the consequences.
Amen Allen.
Nahum 1:7
Zephaniah 2:3
(I’m reading a little book by Derek Prince – “Prayers and Proclamations”. These verses – and many others – are within his book, worthy of purchase. The Word is powerful, Psalm 33:6.)
Regarding Israel – summarized in this verse, Samuel 12:22. But, the remaining verses of that chapter are very important.
Blessings
Psalm 5:11-12
Thanks DJ.
The Scriptures Nahum 1:7 & Zephaniah 2:3 definitely spiritually awaking, a joy to read but a Godly warning also!
Luke 17:27-30 is rather daunting and a grave warning:
“27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
God bless the believers
Who are the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel?
“To understand the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel we first need to clearly understand the word Gentile. There is a lot of misunderstanding about the meaning of the word Gentile and it’s correct usage.
GENTILE is a generic word. Like the words Foreigner and Stranger it has no specific meaning until the user places it in a specific context. A Foreigner to one person is a Countryman to another. A Stranger to one person is a Friend to another. A Gentile to one group of people is a Relative to another group.
GENTILE simply means “not one of us”, or “not one of our group”. Mormons call non-Mormons “Gentiles”, and Jews call non-Jews “Gentiles”. But outside such a specific context the word Gentile does not stand on it’s own.
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When the word is used as slang, “Gentiles” are (1) Any who are “uninitiated”, as in amateurs or neophytes; (2) Those who are naive, like potential victims, or customers; or (3) Anyone not of our group, like competing sports teams or competing companies.
For Example: The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel are a unique sub-set of Gentiles who are Israelites, but they are not Jews. Viewed from a Jewish perspective, being non-Jews they are Gentiles. But viewed from an Israelite perspective, they are not Gentiles but fellow Israelites. All Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews.
Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the Lost Sheep of The House of Israel.”
In order to understand this verse we need to remember the title House of Israel was assigned exclusively to the Northern Kingdom when the Davidic Kingdom split. The Northern Kingdom was never Jewish, therefore Jesus command to first go to the Lost Sheep of The House of Israel was NOT a command to go first to “lost Jews”.
So you see, we have grossly misunderstood what the word “gentile” really means.
For further information read:
http://www.losttribes.net/menu/lostsheep.html
http://www.losttribes.net/MENU.html
The key phrase in understanding the truth of who the israelites really are by birth:
“All Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews.”
Pause and meditate upon that for a bit.
And of course, one being a physical israelite by birth, one would also have to have had an encounter with Yeshua at some point and then by faith become converted via the invitation from the Holy Spirit of God.
Let the hearer understand.
What or Who is a Celt?
“The word Celt comes from the Greek Keltoi and is pronounced Kelt. Like so many words, Celt has been misused and misapplied so often over the years that some “unlearning” is required in order to correctly perceive it’s object.
http://www.losttribes.net/menu/celt.html
To the casual mind, a Celt may be the offspring of an ancient society of tribal people who today live in Ireland, Wales, Cornwall in England, the Isle of Man, or Brittany in western France. And that is true as far as it goes. These are correctly called ISLAND CELTS.
But the historic significance of these Island Celts compared to the far larger group of related CONTINENTAL Celts is greatly magnified due to the efforts of their own Tourist and Business Bureaus. For example, because of it’s booming economy today (caused by adopting low taxes and a business friendly environment) Ireland is sometimes referred to as a “Celtic Tiger”. That is good for tourism.
The Brits (and Irish) people at large have a very narrow yet locally varying view of the meaning of “Celtic”. One Irishman told me Celts were the people who belonged to the Irish Holy Celtic Church. That was the totality of his definition.
Thousands of ships from the Mediterranean Sea were wrecked off Cornwall and in the Isles of Scilly over time. These shipwrecks are the probable source of Britain’s famous “small dark people” in the southwest who are routinely misclassified as ‘Celts’. Those shipwrecks are also the probable source of similar Mediterranean sea people called Celts in Brittany just south across the channel.
Another important reason English speaking peoples identify almost entirely with the Island Celts rather than the Continental Celts is that Island Celts and their historians write almost exclusively in English. But most textbooks and literature about the Continental Celts are in German, or French, or other non-English and ancient languages. Scholars in Continental Europe have a far better understanding of the true nature, scope and history of those people we call “Celts”.
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Historically, the Celts are a very large group of people who around 610 BC suddenly appeared from nowhere in the region of the Black Sea, the Caucasus Mountains, Northern Iraq and Iran, and south of the Caspian Sea.
Also in 610 BC, at this same place, and at the same time, the Assyrian Empire just happened to collapse. The 5 Million non-Jewish Northern Kingdom Israelites who a hundred years earlier were taken captive by the Assyrians joined with the Medes and Persians and overthrew their Assyrian captors.
History records these freed Israelites met to decide what to do and considered returning to their old home around the Sea of Galilee. They decided against it. That was a good decision, for only a few decades later the Babylonians took the nearby Southern Kingdom captive and moved those Israelites to Babylon. Had the Northern Kingdom returned home they might also have been taken captive again, and been moved to Babylon as well. (Since the Northern and Southern Kingdoms never got along and often warred among themselves, it is highly unlikely they would have rejoined to fight even against a huge common enemy.)
So with great noise and disruption these 5 Million Northern Israelites fled in tribal clusters in the only directions available to them, North and West. The Medes and Persians controlled the other routes, and the Israelites feared they would be attacked and held captive again. They especially feared the Persians.
To the North were the Caucasus Mountains, very high and difficult to cross even today. But there is a rugged route, known today as the Caucasian Pass (or Caucasian Gates or Darial Pass or Krestovy Pass) and millions of Israelites made their difficult way through it. (This is where the name “Caucasians” came from, and these were the people who carried the name north and westward.)