Mother of Ham

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She may have been a descendent of Cain.

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I received this comment on my webpage, which I thought was interesting:

Cain was NEVER forgiven.

He was just marked so as no one would kill him or his lineage because yes, his lineage is who the Antichrist would come from and God allowed that lineage to be preserved to fulfill the role of the Beast/Antichrist

While this does quote extra biblical books as sources, it is
an interesting passage about Cain’s lineage:

“1.”The seed of Cain were black” (Moses 7:22);

2. “There was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan” (Moses 7:8).

This refers to the people of Canaan prophesied by Enoch who lived chronologically before the great deluge. They are distinct from the Canaanites who descended from Ham.

3. The mother of Ham, son of Noah, appears to have been distinct from the mother of Shem and Japheth.

The Book of Moses records that Noah “begat Shem of her who was the mother of Japheth, and when he was five hundred years old he begat Ham” (Moses 8:12).

The author makes a special point to note that Shem and Japheth had the same mother. If Ham had the same mother, there would have been no need to make such a distinction.

4. Hebrew tradition as recorded in the Genesis Rabba midrash and the eleventh century Jewish commentator Rashi maintains that Naamah, sister of Tubal-cain (Genesis 4:22), was taken by Noah as a second wife to preserve Cain’s posterity, and that she became the mother of Ham.

The Book of Jasher identifies Noah’s wife Naamah as the daughter of Enoch, which would not refer to Noah’s ancestor Enoch (she would have been his great aunt!) but to Enoch the son of Cain identified in the Moses 5:43.

Both of these accounts agree that her name was Naamah and that she was a descendent of Cain.”

link:
(this is a mormon link, but still, interesting information)

http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=view_other_articles&story_id=5&cat_id=3

* this does not necessarily mean that the Antichrist is black fyi

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Other information about Noah’s two wives:

Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wives_aboard_Noah’s_Ark

In the Book of Jubilees, known to have been in use from the late 2nd century BC, the names of the wives of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth are as follows:

Wife of Noah – Emzara, daughter of Rake’el[clarify], son of Methuselah

Furthermore, the Panarion of Epiphanius (c. 375) names Noah’s wife as Barthenos, while the c. 5th-century Ge’ez work Conflict of Adam and Eve with Satan calls Noah’s wife "Haikal, the daughter of Abaraz, of the daughters of the sons of Enos" — whom some authors have connected with Epiphanius’Barthenos (i.e., Bath-Enos, daughter of Enos).[4]

Armenian tradition give the name of Noah’s wife as Nemzar, Noyemzar or Noyanzar.

*** the two above sources appear to refer to Naamah (daughter of Enos , or Enoch, descendent of Cain (Gen 4:17, not Enoch, son of Seth (Gen 5:6)

Furthermore:

The Genesis Rabba midrash lists Naamah, the daughter of Lamech and sister of Tubal-Cain, as the wife of Noah,[7] as does the 11th-century Jewish commentator Rashi in his commentary on Genesis 4:22.

In the medieval midrash Book of Jasher (trans. Moses Samuel c. 1840, ed. J. H. Parry 1887) Chapter 5:15, the name of Noah’s wife is said to be Naamah, daughter of Enoch.[8]

The LDS Book of Abraham, first published in 1842, says that the name of Ham’s wife was Egyptus (Abraham 1:23); her daughter apparently had the same name (v. 25).

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Just one wife on ark

The Book of Genesis, in 6:18, states, "But I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you" (ESV).

Additionally, 1 Peter 3:20 states that there were exactly eight people on the Ark.

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Conclusion

The bible does not specifically mention that Noah had two wives.

But, if we go by what is written from different sources, then it appears that he had two wives.

The first one gave birth to Seth and Japheth, and must have died.

The second one gave birth to Ham, making him the youngest, and she is the one who went on the boat with Noah.

So, even though the generations of Cain may have been destroyed in general, along with other sinful peoples, Ham would have been the one survivor, who was a mix between his Cain-mother Naamah, and his Seth-Father Noah.

From Ham came Canaan, after which the land of Canaan and the Canaanites were named.

The lineage of Cain appears to be afflicted with the sin of murder or violence, as a generational curse.

First there was Cain himself, who slew his brother Able. (Gen 4:8)

Second, there was Lamech, descendent of Cain, who slew a man for wounding him (Gen 4:23) He claimed he was 70 x more cursed than Cain. (Gen 4:24)

Third, there was Ham, who uncovered Noah’s nakedness, and mocked him to his brothers. In some Hebrew interpretations, to uncover the nakedness of a man, is to sleep with his wife. So this could have been incest.

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Curse of Cain and Ham

Canaan got the curse of Ham upon him, as Noah seemed to perceive that this would be a generational issue with the lineage of Ham….sins of the flesh, although sins of the flesh are not confined to just Ham’s lineage.

Today, we see people in “Canaan” claiming to be the descendants of the land. Their behavior and religion focuses on sex and violence. Slaughtering the Jews and other infidels will get them sex with 72 virgins in heaven.

Generational curses have to be dealt with , and not excused, based on politics and personal bias toward people groups.

The blood of Jesus can break this curse, and other curses.

For those under this curse, I encourage them to call upon the name of the Lord, repent of their sins, and the sins of their forefathers, so they can be saved.

For those that have done this, they are redeemed from the curse.


341 Responses to “Mother of Ham”

  1. What is “The Book of Moses” you are citing here?

  2. His wife could not have been a descendent of Cain. God destroyed the entire bloodline and would not have allowed or blessed the marriage. Also they were very closed in their marriages since even Mary married her cousin Joseph. Even is she was a descendent it would not have created Giants in the 10’s of thousands after the flood that dominated the land.

    • the giants were the result of human women mating with the fallen angels…..

      if the canaanite women were descendants of cain, it would verify their corrupt nature to begin with…..

      but yes this is speculation but there is documentation for it

  3. I for one have never found one moron to be able to archaeologically be able yo prove or back up anything. They used these so called scriptures to prove that anyone of African descent could not hold any office in the wards and stakes. I was raised in this ignorance. Every black person I saw was “marked”. Considering the fact they are directly from the masons is another reason I can not follow this. What I have denounced and traced in order to break any of these ties is completely amazing, From as far back as Egypt, The tower of Babel, Moses, It is crazy how deep and dark they go.

    • The King James Bible was never touched by Masons or the Vatican. It comes from a distinctly different translation stream. The Christian Identity are a bunch of white supremest that goes high up, as are Calvinist and Freemasons. They are there to discredit the truth by acting like they are Christians and they are not. The ties and the background goes back to Adam and Eve carried forth by literally fallen angels that came to earth in portals,based on human sacrifice……before the flood and second group after the flood. The human servers were Pharaohs that were hybrids of different DNA; and in fact the bloodline of Pharaohs is the basis for the merovingians. Kings and Queens today; and presidents.

    • It’s thought by some, that Cain was cursed with giantism rather than darker skin. Such would certainly deter many from attempts at killing him.

    • I have been researching the above issues, all sides. The map above has Ham in Africa. If Canaan was the promised land(Israel) it was not Ham’s territory.

      • Noah had Ham and Ham was the father of Canaan. Look on the ancient biblical maps. Ham and his children: phut, Cush, Mizraim, Canaan… All settled in Africa. Later, God told Abraham to go to Canaan that the land would be his, which Abraham is blood line of Shem (Arabia). So the bible reads.

    • I agree

  4. Revelation 22:18 “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book. Those of you who ad man’s finite words to God’s Word are doomed for eternity….shame on you for attempting to drag others to Hell with you !!

    • lahyton

      no one is dragging anyone to hell.

      this is not about the book of revelation.

      it is about the possibility that noah had two wives

      people go to hell based on their behavior

      • Marianne, we can be sure that Noah had only one wife. The Bible is clear on that. The King James Bible, Cambridge Edition is the final authority. The discussion I thought was the one wife could have tainted blood. WE know only 8 humans survived the flood and the KJV Bible confirms that for sure.

        • we know he had one wife when he boarded the ark..but the bible does not discuss anything before that…it took him 100 years to built the ark…and we do not know the family history before that, except for references to it… so how did he come up with a black son?

          • Marianne,

            I gave an answer below, that one thing we do know was that Ham was not black. He came directly from Noah and his wife. The distinction of black humans came later after the languages were changed and they moved, it effected the DNA structure after many generations or God changed the languages at the tower of Babel and the body structure after. It was a massive change and one person, a wife would not have been the cause of a whole continent to become black.

            • if the mother is black, then the child will be black…the black gene is dominant.

              • I agree. There HAS to be another explanation rather than the one given by Thomas Gambill. I do think there is a possiblity that Noah had two wives….but the bible only focuses on one of them.

                On another note, there are TWO “Enochs’ mentioned in scripture which is interesting. One “Enoch” was the son of Cain:

                Genesis 4:17: “And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.”

                So we have there an “Enoch’ from the loins of Cain BUT….

                then in Genesis 5:17 & 18,

                scripture mentions :

                “And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

                Gen 5:19: “And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:”

                The son of Jared is the “Enoch” who
                ” walked with God” mentioned in Genesis 5:22 & 24

                So THAT “Enoch” was the GOOD Enoch. Not the son of Cain but of Jared. And this “good” Enoch bore Methusalah who bore Lamech who was the father of Noah!

                Interesting stuff!

                • The mention of a second wife is only speculation and in fact it was not a practice of the Hebrews or those in that tribe to have multiple wives…..The Bible says one wife, for each and any other discussion is 100% man made speculation to somehow explain the race issue. I gave the explanation based on scriptures and there is even evidence from a study confirming that language changes DNA.

                  By the way, at 365 years old, The Good Enoch never died. He was “taken” in other words God changed his body structure to bring him to Heaven while he was still alive.

                  • not sure I believer everything the russians claim….show me an article in an approved scientific jounal.

                    I spoke to my children for 12 years, and it did not change their grades in school….guess they still had the C DNA instead of the A DNA.

                • It’s interesting that the Bible didn’t state that Adam again knew his wife until the conception of Seth.

                  Does this mean that Cain and Abel were twins?

                  • it did not say but you never know….

                    they seemed to be different in other ways, so maybe not

                    • Maternal twins?

                      Different seed?

                      Controversy rages regarding Eve, and Adam by consent, consorting sexually and/or genetically with Lucifer. Many believe that fallen angels consorted with man.

                      One thing is certain, genetic manipulation was involved. That’s clear.

                  • There is this thing called “heteropaternal superfecundation” where a woman is pregnant by two separate men..

                    very rare but see video:

                    http://www.today.com/id/30864533/ns/today-parenting_and_family/t/mother-gives-birth-twins-different-dads/

                    • since Adam “ate” of the fruit as well, that must have been some moment….

                    • I happen to think there was something going on in the spiritual rhelm that manifested in the physical rhelm….Satan/demons can have spiritual sex with humans and offspirng were/are produced…just think of the nephilim….forgot what it was called but it does happen. That’s why you shouldn’t mess with the spiritual rhelm. New Agers are playing with fire in my opinion, inviting all those “walk ins’…not a good practice for sure.

                    • That’s what I was driving at. You provided the answer I was looking for.

                      Consider this: Lucifer was the most beautiful angel. Something hints at the possibility that Lucifer sold Eve on the idea that if she consorted with him, that her offspring would have similar beauty as Lucifer’s beauty. What parent doesn’t want the best for her offspring.

                      We really don’t know for sure what actually happened. It is certain that Lucifer sought to debase humanity in the worse way. What better way to destroy spiritually and genetically, as sexual impropriety? Killing two birds with one stone if you will.

                      Adam’s role might simply have been to concede to the whole thing, and not partake as such.

              • There were too many slave owners with “white” slaves to back up the state that if the mother was black the child was also due to dominant genes. They may have been “considered” black. Their appearance however, on many occasions, was whiter than just “passing”.

                • The modification of the gene pool of Black slaves in the 18th century America was set up by Rothschilds, by bringing in Willie Lynch, in 1711 as method of making a better slave. Reference the method these Satanist did, by the Willie Lynch Letters

        • I agree

    • Again, where is this hell of which you speak?

      • he thinks I am adding to the word of god by suggesting or considering that Hams mother may have been black

        • There’s nothing wrong with speculation and/or consideration. God actually invites us to reason together-with Him!

          I’ve noticed that many ideologues suffer increased fear, thus disallowing them from deviating far from there convictions, however bizarre they might be.

          • Referencing your comment about Lucifer “consorting with Eve” ( had sexual relations with)…Taking what you said one step further: Perhaps, this is how “sin” “entered in” to the human gene pool…….like, there must have been some sort of genetic defect , a residue of tainted genetics so to speak, left over in the human gene pool in which sin “entered into” it…I guess, consorting with a “devil’ like Lucifer willl cause one to have damage to one’s genetics.
            As we know, Adam and Eve were originally made perfect in every way, untainted with sin physically or spiritually.
            Jesus had to “redeem” us from this curse….which, IMO opinion, could include the curse that came upon us when Adam and Eve sinned….sexually and spiritually.

            Perhaps this is why Jesus said one must be “born again” spiritually…..unless you have that “new” spiritual body having experienced the “new birth”, you willl not enter the kingdom of heaven, Jesus said. Just some thoughts.

            You MUST be “born again” Jesus said and recieve your NEW body ( be “changed” like Paul said) at His return to the earth at the end of this age: In other words, No “new body”, no getting into His kingdom.

            • I have to intervene here if you don’t mind. For certain, the truth is in the Bible. Whatever is outside the Bible is human misinterpretation. The intermixing of DNA and resulting of evil was the reason for the flood, however, not for the origin of Original sin. Freewill and making the wrong choices by Adam and Eve, or better said disobeying Gods commandment to not eat of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil was the origin of original sin. They no longer had access to the tree of life thus not allowing them to live forever and commune with God in their then perfect bodies. God changed their body structure and placed a beating hear and blood to sustain their life for the long term but only to multiply, carry on the human race and worship and love him by commandments. The worship of God was sacrifice of animals, lamb and then it became the awaiting of “a messiah” to take the sins away signified by the sacrifice of an animal for sins committed. The Christian Identity cults and Arnold Murray (Christian Identity), cult group maintain the Serpent Seem doctrine which is not even in the Bible. They use Genesis 4:1 as their main reasoning.

              The sin that God hates is disobedience not just sex outside of his blessing but all sin that is disobeying his commandments. Eve never had sex with Lucifer However, the sons of God, fallen angels could manifest themselves, into a different or strange flesh of different DNA, Genesis 6:2-6:4; Job 38:7 and had sexual relations with the daughters of man; and created horrendous giants and manipulated DNA of animals, later destroying and eating mankind also, God had to destroy these genetic abominations with the flood.

              After this, Noah came out of the ark and two generations later, Nimrod was taught the secrets of alchemy and human sacrifice that allowed the second group of fallen angels or “watchers” to manifest themselves and they set forth once again to manipulate the DNA and orchestrate their plans for the New World order. They are today called THE HIERARCHY, The Community, Ascended Masters, Aliens for atheist, Great White Brotherhood. There is a show down coming after one of them named Sananda Immanuel makes his “Public appearance” and the tribulations will once again start.

              • @ Thomas: The “disobedience” of sin started in Adam and Eve’s “mind”. This “led” to them sinning with thier bodies. Not a big stretch here.

                • watchthebeast, if you want to make it up that is okay. I know the Bible says nothing about sex between Eve and Satan. The whole dialogue between Satan and Eve was convincing her to take the apple and disobey God so she would be like him. Be like a God. This is the secret number of 322, or Genesis 3:22 of man wanting become godlike. The purpose of transhumanism, stem cell research, and even going back to the days before Noah the sin turned the earth over to Satan until Jesus redeemed us by his sacrifice in that time. Now, the gnostics and other cult groups make up this stuff you are saying but according to the Bible what I”m telling you is the King James Bible truth. Sex did not open their minds but the knowledge of Good and evil and the disobeying Gods commandment was the act that happened. This is documented in the Bible and anything outside the Bible is speculation and Gnostic versions to distort the truth. Sons of God took the daughters of man and created genetic abominations.

              • thinking in favor of thomas’s view, the bible never said the snake “knew” Eve, which was a term for having sex

                • The big offer from Satan in genesis 3 when he tempted Eve to eat the fruit of the tree was:
                  A) Surely you will not die
                  B) Your eyes will be opened, you will know good and evil
                  C) You will be as gods.

                  The warning from psalm 100:3 says
                  Know ye that the LORD he is God, it is he that hath made us and not we ourselves.

              • @ Thomas, why is it such a stretch to believe that the fallen angels could “mate” with human women and Lucifer, originally the wisest of all God’s angels, could not?

                I propose that it was Lucifer’s suggestions and idea to the other angelic rulers (aka: the fallen angels) that they too do what he did..mate with the human race who was originally created by Father God…in HIS image. Satan wanted to make the human race in HIS image….What better way to “get back’ at Father than messing with His perfect creation?

                Before he, Lucifer, fell, he was the “leader” in heaven under Father God.

                Lucifer was given a lot of authority and clout. I’m sure he was pretty persuasive to all the other rulers and “little gods” (the fallen angels) in Father God’s heavenly kingdom.

                • @watchthebeast I go with what God has told us happened. Its a stretch because it goes against what God has told us in the Bible. The fallen angels did have sex with daughters of man but not Lucifer. The sin was just not ONE Sin of having sex, it was disobedience that led to all others. The Bible confirms that Cain and Abel were born of Adam and Eve. Show me not human speculation but show me in God’s word, his written word. You can show me in his written word that the fallen angels had sex with the daughters of Cain and Seth, but not between Eve and Lucifer. Its not in the Bible. He did not want to be under God, he wanted to be like God and equal with God. That got him kicked out of Heaven before creation. Show me in the BIBLE. if you read the Bible it will save us time.

            • Piggybacking on what I wrote previously, perhaps this is why, when “sin entered into” the human gene pool, as Roman’s 5:12 says: “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.” ….perhaps this is “why” the “death” gene entered into humanity as well.

              Adam and Eve would not have died had they not sinned with Lucifer. They would have lived eternally. But “death through sin” entered into the human gene pool. And we thus, die as humans. We need “new bodies” in order to not “die’ eternally or spiritually.

              Those who choose to go to hell love death…they refuse to acknowlege their imperfet sinful state and will go to their death forever unchanged into a “perfect state. How deviously clever and warped Lucifer is, to offer to “upgrade” this fallen body that we physically have. The fallen sinful body can NEVER be improved upon, no matter how advanced the science is. This present body we have is doomed. BUT those who are “born again” of the Spirit of God will get a “new” and perfect body which will NEVER perish. Pretty cool. Why we would ever want to improve on something that, because of sin, is obsolete?

              I like new!!!

    • Bravo!!

  5. It is utterly erroneous to consider that Hamitic is equivalent to Black people and is a great misconception by who ever wrote those sources, in the same way as identifying Japhetic with Indo-European (mainly because Indo-European is a disputable linguistic definition and not an ethnic one). As a matter of fact, of all Hamitic peoples only most of the Kushites –not all of them– may fit the general description of “Black” people. Egyptians were certainly dark skinned, but they would not be considered Black, as well as Hamitic Canaanites, Hamitic Arabs, North Africans, etc. Concerning the Japhetic group, we have preferred the general definition of Eurasian peoples.

    • jay

      I am not talking about egyptians….ham is the ancestor of negroes….just because someone lived on the continent of africa does not make them negro. even the israelites lived there for 400 years. people move around…..over time there was intermarriage, so skin color gets diluted out as well.

      • Marianne,

        Ham was the beginning of the races down in the African region but he was not black. The race of Blacks evolved due to their changes of their DNA based on the power structure’s of the ley lines on Earth or at the time of the tower of Babel God changed their skin color when he changed their languages. Either way it is not clearly defined. But one thing for sure Ham was not black.

        • as one would say….what you said is not in the bible.

          people from other areas in the hot sun are not black…like negroes….

          what you say is speculation….. 🙂

          • We can know that Ham was not black; otherwise Noah would not be perfect in this Generation. We Know he went south, while Shem was mostly in the middle. and Japthet went north. We know that God changed the languages and all humans spoke the same languages then. We know he scattered the people and in the generation of Preleg God divided the Earth, land. so, go from there…….the sun only aided the DNA change but the changed languages we know has an effect on DNA, plus the power structure of the Earth effects species. Otherwise why not have polar bears in Africa or coconuts in China or Britain. The ley lines on the Earth effects the sub-atomic particles to match that power structure. God set up the principles not me.

            • that DNA , power structure of the earth, and language part is speculation. ley lines is witchcraft only

              • Yes its alchemy; but it works. It is the knowledge of Good and evil it is the principles that God created to cause the world to exist and continue, its called Quantum Physics, chemistry, Biology, etc……and the knowledge is based on the same knowledge that the Tower of Babel was built to bring the Fallen angels into this realm using alchemy, knowledge gained by fallen angels and its witchcraft but used by Freemasons, Scientist etc……Language is not speculation. Are you saying that witchcraft doesn’t work? You be wrong there. They know how to manipulate God’s principles for now.

                I know my research and I know what the Holy Spirit tells me…..

                Satanic Ritual Taking Over USA–You or Someone You Know Has Probably Done This Unaware–and You Will Be Shocked! (Videos)

                http://www.collective-evolution.com/2011/09/02/scientist-prove-dna-can-be-reprogrammed-by-words-and-frequencies/

                Witchcraft is the same as Alchemy and this is supernatural manipulation of the natural forces by Satanic forces using witches, warlocks, Freemasons etc……

                Its in the Bible……shall I cite the verses that describe witchcraft and what the Bible says about it. Now, I’m giving specifics. Its not speculation. The speculation is that Ham was Black, Noah had a second wife, and all that is speculation as there is not even one documentation for this thought.

                • you were saying that witchcraft was responsible for the negro race….at least their skin color

                  I gave the documentation

                  • What?? No, Witchcraft is a ritual, craft that is used by humans in cursing or manipulating for worship of Satan. The forces of the Universe is not witchcraft. If that were true you are being cursed every second of every day by gravity which is a force of nature. You are being cursed every day by receiving sun light, gravity, etc…..The ley lines and power structures on the Earth keeps the earth together and is responsible for the DNA changes of white, Middle East, Oriental, Black humans. ITs NATURAL not a curse from Witches. goodness gracious.

                    • as a scientist myself, I find this concept of ley lines changing DNA to convert a white person to a black person rather foolish and incredible.

              • It’s interesting that the ancient Greeks considered witchcraft as causing someone to believe something other than the truth.

                Bewitching….

                Greek punishment was severe

            • Noah was perfect in his generations; part of his family might not have been.

              It’s certain that not all species of life made it onto Noah’s Ark. I wonder why?

      • It’s thought by many that Nimrod was negroid

  6. Marianne,

    ‘But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions and strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and vain.’ Titus 3:9

    Is the word I would advise. For certainly of late you are speaking genealogies that are purely vanity and bear no basis in the law. In my reply that God regards the spiritual rather than the bloodlines, I was informed that was an anti-semitism. Let every one recall in their mind that the sin of the father is not imputed on the son, nor does righteousness and viceversa. Everyone who eats the sore grapes their teeth are turned on edge, but not so of their posterity.

    So what, if Cain was cursed? He was a child of Adam, who was a child of God. And ad for Seth and his bloodline, experience has taught us that evil, as well as good are spiritually discerned and not of the flesh. Also yhe bloodline of Seth could become as evil as that of Cain, as we have to this day, and that of Cain likewise had propensity to seek righteouness.

    Jesus told the Jews of his time that they were not Abrahams descendants but children of the devil; not because of genealogies, but because of what was in their hearts. Many this day are the children of the devil, and of the lineage of Cain, likewise because of the murder in their hearts.

    I look forward to most of your posts but these on genealogies are the exception. And you can witness the vanity and contentions they bear forth as above. And they are not helpful nor of truth, I believe.

    • john

      I am not talking about the law….I am talking about possible history

      you are wrong about iniquity…..there are generational curses, and the iniquity of the fathers is passed to the next generations… also blessings

      Exodus 20:5-6 says “I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands [of generations], to those who love Me and keep My commandments”

      10 “And when you tell this people all these words, and they say to you, t‘Why has the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? What is our iniquity? What is the sin that we have committed against the Lord our God?’ 11 then you shall say to them: u‘Because your fathers have forsaken me, declares the Lord, and vhave gone after other gods and have served and worshiped them, and have forsaken me and have not kept my law, Jeremiah 16:10

      there are multiple points in scripture where god bans certain descendants from acceptance for sins of the father…..if the children continue in the ways of the father.

      the children of Amalakites were cursed forever.

      I also said that sins of the flesh could be part of any lineage.

      we see this today…..children of drug addicts or criminals ending up in trouble themselves.

      I do not normally write about geneologies…so what other posts are you talking about?

      the good news here is also that the iniquity can be broken by the redeeming blood of christ in their lives.

      • Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Part of Ezekiel 18)

        The rest of chapter summises that each person will bear their ways, and no one is to be judged on sins if their ancestry.

        What often confounds most of us in regard to the the iniquity judged on posterity to the third and fourth generation, is that we fail to read, ‘ of them that hate God’ All the three to four generations have to individually revel in iniquity, which is the hatred of God, and so the long enduring and patient God determines to visit punishment on the generations and intensifies the same by bringing in compilation their ancestors’ as well as their own iniquity.

        But God will not punish the children for the sins of their fathers. Everyone is chastised for their own iniquity. Nor will anyone be rewarded for the righteosnesd of another. Everyone must bear their own cross, and rewards.

        God does not change in regard to such imperative principals. And were God to judge and punish a righteos child based on its parents wickedness, would anyone truly call that justice?

        The wages of sin is death. And death is once eternal . A wicked son from a wicked ancestry will be visited with death for his wages, and that death can in no way be enhanced to be multiple for the cause of ancestirs’ iniquity.

        The other post you recently did on genealogy was one that defined some 10 ancient tribes of the bible as the nations that surround the modern state of Israel.

        God is Spirit and they who worship him are inclined to so do in spiritual interpretation of affairs, and in truth.

        The ancestry of man was black, and not white. This we read of nature. For no white parents ever gave birth to a black child, but even to this day we have many black parents who give birth to white children, whom however they call Albino for lacking the skin darkening Melanin pigmentation.

        And Eden was at the centre of the planet, where the sun’s illumination intersects, creating a region of optimal solar-hydro interactions that prooved in design most appropriate for all planetary life support. This place was in the heart of Africa and its so to this day. Its called Kîrî-nyaga, and its counterpart right across on the other side of the globe is Kîrî-bati.

        If one can tell what these words mean, they would glean from ancient wisdom.

        • short note; Ancestry of man was changed at the Table of nations after Noah..and the flood. Then, the different cultures were developing after the tower of Babel.

        • noah was not black….

          ancestry of man as black is fantasy…and speculation…. a fairy tale the black people started

          only way to dilute black is with white that is ALREADY there

          the issue is that the descendants of Ham continued in the fleshy ways of the father….so they DO bear the iniquity

          • The pot calls the kettle black.

            The miscreant Hollywood release of Noah this year should have consindered your input to enhance its detail. They too were plenty resourceful in their narration.

            • The movie named Noah was so far off track I literally walked out with 30 minutes to go in that abomination of a movie. It was massively inaccurate and worse than Jack the bean stalk climber. No one in of the 8 were black or oriental. The earth was one land mass and in the generation of Preleg God divided the earth. This was around 10 Generations past when God changed the languages.

      • Correct Marianne

  7. The sins of the father is imparted on the offspring in four generations as the Bible confirms. The sin of Adam was passed on to mankind from Adam to Noah who was perfect in his generation bringing on the sin of disobedience that is the biggest barrier for Satan as well as the demonic realm and witchcraft, Freemasons cult practices as original sin as omitted by them is their biggest enemy. Original sin binds them…….

  8. Exodus 34:7King James Version (KJV)

    7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

    Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

    31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

  9. It’s becoming increasingly apparent that genetic manipulation was happening back then, and on a scale far bigger than we previously had the ability to conceive.

    For instance, Noah had only his animals on the Ark, that he had kept perfect in their generations as well, The myriads of species that we have today were the result of post diluvian genetic manipulation. This is now generally known.

    Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

    Noah was a husbandman, and his animals were part of his household. Noah very likely kept his animals pure in their generations also. BTW, check out Golekli Tepe and connect the dots.

    The original sin was likely sexual. Adam and Eve didn’t suddenly become ashamed of their genitals. There was a reason why they fashioned aprons with leaves. The shinning bright angel that was the tree of knowledge of good and evil very likely convinced Eve that if she “colluded” with him, that her offspring would be more beautiful than Adam. What woman wouldn’t want that for her child? And of course, the sensuous part was likely thrilling for her.

    • You can be sure that the KJV is inerrant and in fact it tells us that the first sin is the worse. It was disobedience. No Sex. That is impossible. There is a Luciferian Sect claiming to be Christian but is not. Its called Christian Identity, claiming all sorts of Nonsense. They became ashamed of their genitals due to their eyes being opened from Tree of KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. It was knowledge and disobedience. There is no guess work or alleged, it is a specific in the ONLY TRUE WORD contained in the KJV Bible. No likely and No Probably, the KJV Bible tells us exactly.

      • The KJV is the best. There is no doubt.

        Eve was duped. Beguiled. Adam was not fooled. Note that Adam seemed to have been held to account much more than Eve, and suffered harsher penalties

        The extreme likelihood is that they were ashamed of their reproductive organs because they were involved in the act of disobedience. Nobody tends to suddenly become ashamed of something unless it’s directly involved in a wrong.

        The Bible is full of allegory and metaphor. Jesus is the “tree” from which springs life. Lucifer was the “tree” of death! The “tree” of knowledge of good and evil.

        Ask yourself what the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil might have been in this case. We certainly cannot summarily dismiss sexual and/or genetic impropriety out of hand, simply because it seems to be incongruent with our pre-existing notions of how it “ought to be”. Sexual “congress” was likely the most beautiful gift from God, as were each for the other. It’s not rocket science to conclude that Satan chose to attack the best and most beautiful first.

        Again, Adam and Eve were suddenly unwilling to appear before their Lord without aprons. There was a far a larger reason for this. Adam and Eve got involved with something that had to do with their reproductive organs. Another no-brainer. They did not suddenly become ashamed of their genitalia for stereotypical reasons that actually stem from our preconceptions based in human lore. The truth is right in front of us

        There was no forbidden “apple”. Legend. There was no real “fruit”. Again, metaphor. Imagery.

        • No, the KJV is the actual literal truth. We can dismiss any other concept outside the King James Bible. They did become ashamed all of a sudden with the knowledge. Its that simple. There was in fact a forbidden apple. You do not call the shots nor do you override God of this universe. Eve and Adam failed. They both suffered equal penalties…..ITs all relative. So, ever give birth to a 9 pound baby, after 9 months of carrying it.. As a woman how it feels. Dan, we will never come to an agreement. You are going by your own interpretation and I take council from Almighty God. SO, God bless….and best wishes. There is no compromise here.

          • Forgive me, but your name is Thomas, and you’re female? No offense, just askin.

            My 110lb wife birthed a 10 pounder. I was in the room with her. I was a paramedic, and yet I almost passed out from sympathetic pain.

            Anyway, my mind is open. Prove that there was an apple.

            Equal penalties? Says who? You’re correct however, about it being relative.

            How can you arbitrarily say that we’ll never come to agreement? God invites us to reason with him, why not with each other? For instance, there is new light from the KJV all the time. It was always there, but we just didn’t “see” it. Now understand, I believe the Bible to be infallible. But as you say, relativity is the key.

            For instance, we now know the exact location of Noah’s Ark, and it was never on Mt. Ararat. After Ron Wyatt’s revelations, we found that the Bible was more correct than legend. The Bible states that the Ark came to rest AMONG the mountains of Ararat. Ararat blew up like Mt. St. Helens in 1849. Likely no Artifact such as an ancient shipwreck survived it.

            Only after Ron Wyatt made his claims about the Ark of the Covenant did we discover that the KJV Bible told us where it was specifically.
            Revelation is funny like that. It “unlocks” at certain times.

            • The KJV Bible says this….Gen_8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

              Then its the mountains of Ararat as Ron Wyatt does not override the Word of the Living God. not possible.

              • Of course Ron Wyatt doesn’t override the word of the Lord. And I did misspeak earlier when I said that the Ark came to rest “among” the mountains of Ararat, father than the correct word of “upon” the mountains.

                It still remains that the Durupinar site is at 6400ft elevation, and that some opinion of the age of the volcano that is Ararat is rather young, and possibly only 2500 years old.

                That said, the Durupinar site and 6400ft certainly qualifies and mountainous.

                If one removes Ron Wyatt from the Durupinar equation, the Durupinar sight becomes no less compelling.

          • Disregard the question about gender. Syntax and typo error

            • No, Not female, I’m a former US Marine. Born again Christian and that is that. I don’t have to prove anything and the fact you don’t have a vagina tells me that sympathetic pain is not even close. Go ahead and I would love to be a fly on a wall and hear you say that sympathetic pain is the same as bearing a child and going through labor. 🙂 you can’t be serious.

              We can never come to an agreement with false premises. There is NEVER any new Light as God does not change. New light is warned against in Jude 1:3-4. I will teach this actually tomorrow night from 8 to 9;00 PM EST. on my website….as I also have a broadcast teaching about the New World Order and its relation to the end times events. The King James Bible is set and there has never been any VALID new light since John Finished Revelation between 70 to 90 AD. The truth was complete and finally put into English in 1611. The roman Catholic church had a corrupted version started with Origen to Jerome to lying Freemasons name Westcott and Hort.

              Ron Wyatt is bogus……sorry. No blood seeped into the ground above the ark of the covenant. The Bible is inerrant Ron Wyatt is errant.

              True History of the KJV if you care to listen…

              THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD

              A Lamp In The Dark:untold history of Bible ~ Full Film

              Whats the Big Deal about the KJV? – Sam Gipp

              Whats the Big Deal about the KJV? Episode 2 – Sam Gipp

              What’s the Big Deal About the KJV: Episode 3

              What’s the Big Deal About the KJV: Episode 4

              What’s the Big Deal About the KJV? Episode 5

              • Listen brother, I misread you post and mistakenly thought that you stated that you gave birth. I tried to correct it. I sorry, OK? I had no ill intent towards you.

                Yes, I get sympathetic pain. I guess I’m empathic. So shoot me.

                I’ve delivered 6 babies in my 27 years in EMS. Had everyone else in the back of my ambulance too! Soldiers, lawyers, crashed motor patrol officers, kids, politicians, judges, you name it. I’ve often skated in the blood on the ambulance floor. So yeh, I know pain. And I’m known terror. But thanks for your condescension. I appreciate it. Really!

                There will always be new light from our perspective. Sure, it was always there, but we just didn’t see it.

                I said it before, and I’ll repeat it; The KJV Bible is the best. I believe the Bible to be infallible. Humans are fallible, and often our perspective is flawed. I believe that codes exist in the Bible that could only have been divinely placed there. I believe the Bible to be the word of God. I also believe that man has just scratched the surface of what’s really in the Bible. Clear on that?

                False premise??? Have you ever heard of a provisional diagnosis? It’s a diagnosis that’s subject to change with additional intel. God Himself invites us to reason with Him. Suppositional thinking. Questions upon questions with as little judgment as possible. Judgment muddies the thinking. Perhaps it’s why God counsels against it.

                It’s interesting how you’ve already judged me to spew heresy, and then summarily dismissed me.

                Ron Wyatt was telling the truth. Noah’s Ark is the Durupinar site at 6400ft elevation in the middle of Turkey. The boat has 72 ribs along it’s length. 72 is divisible by 12, as is 144 interestingly enough. 72 x 2 = 144. Coincidence? Interestingly, the Egyptians utilized base 12 for their mathematics. Coincidence? New light?

                Ron Wyat spoke the truth about the Ark of the Covenant as well. How do we know this? Because the KJV indicates the location of the Ark bearing His last blood testament. We never saw it until Wyatt raised the awareness of the subject of the Ark’s location. We don’t even need Wyatt’s testimony to know the Ark’s location now. Interesting how God works, New light? For us it is. The Ark of the Covenant is in the ground directly beneath the crucifixion site, which was positively identified. John the Revelator told us where it is specifically. It’s right in the KJV. Ironically, about 85% to 90% of other Bible translations got it wrong, while the KJV got it right.

                I can tell you that the Israelis invited Ron Wyatt’s survivors to travel to Jerusalem in Sept of 2011, because the Israelis thought that his survivors might have the ability to approach the Ark without being struck dead as had happened the 5 Israelis, who had previously attempted to disturb it. New Light?

                The Ark of the Covenant is here on Earth Mr. Gambill, and it’s been here the whole time. The KJV Bible affirms this.

                If you’d like to “see” the Ark, I’d suggest that you visit the blog within this site entitled ““Lost” Ark? God Forbid!” It’s the third one down from the top.

                If you intend to come to a debate with little more than emphatic incontrovertible declarations of what you think is “is”, without supporting facts in evidence, be prepared to be challenged; because my old paramedic ass will not back down.

                Again, I apologize for the gender confusion. I had no ill intent. I genuinely drew a mistaken conclusion

                Peace be with you brother

          • No reply yet? Why?

            Or have you simply dismissed me as a crack pot who dares proffer anything that disagrees and/or contravenes your preconceived notions of what is.

            Here’s a question for you Mr. Gambrill, to what “heaven” was the apostle John referring to in Revelation 11:19?

            Now remember, I believe the Authorized KJV to be the utmost authority. And I believe the Bible to be infallible. So please opine.

            Dan

          • Prove that there was a forbidden “Apple”

    • Original sin was disobedience of the basic instruction of life. It was perpetrated in Eden, and hardly can one understand what it was all about without first understanding Eden.

      Tree, the letter t, or the cross all originate from the four way bifurcation of the headwaters of earth from the ancient of times, the waters that spread throughout the land. The intersection point is the tree of life, aka, the system central water based planetary life support system.

      To protect this core, a parallel system of cautionary regions was instituted, and was callef the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for by consuming the produce of this region, and destroying it, humanity would experience the outcome of destroying nature , and when they did this, they were cast out of Eden lest they also consume and destroy the system core of life support, in Eden, and cause all life to reach infinity, aka oblivion.

      But as for the fig leaves aprons they made when they realized they were naked, when man had destroyed the cautionary regions of nature in disobedience and presumption that these area would serve well under propagation and agriculture, it dawned on them that such was not the case, when as a result of destruction of rain catchment regions the hydrological cycle failed, man was disappointed and such was the nakedness. Man sought to redress the bare earth with the fig trees propagation, and when God looked upon their efforts and had queried their actions, he encouraged them in their redress, of course after establishing the new delimitations on human activities on nature. That is what is meant of the skins that God made them. Its Juwa in my mother tongue and means encouragement in Sanskrit root..

      The forbiden trees were twain, the tree of life as well as that of knowledge of good and evil. This is clarified when man is cast out of Eden and the way of the tree of life kept under guard to keep man from consuming of it. For eating does also mean to destroy and consume.

      Besides, the trees whose fruit man had been awarded for food at creation were those whose seed were in themselves, but the trees at the centre of the garden were not of that general calibre, their seed not being in themselves, but were singular manifestations and representation of the life support system of the planet and its cautionary counterpart.

      Original sin, is what humanity continues to foolishly repeat time and eons again. Earth’s vegetation cover and the pristine forests have we once again consumed til only the bare minimum is left. Hills we flatten and collapse, and their dress we rip of them, elevations whose function in the hydrological cycle we comprehend little of, and we are left disappointed at the mercy of climate change issues, which we have foolishly caused.

      Such was the case of Eden and its two trees at its centre; both forbiden of being consumed and destroyed, and the end results of when man consumed, knowingly and in ignorance of the outcome if their deeds, and the oucome is constant, that natures boundaries abused and crossed certainly resolves in death..

      As we surely die, and sink towards annihilation the more we disregard the natural boundaries and destroy our planets life sustenance effects, chief of which is thd hydrological functionary, the tree of life.

      • John,

        say what??? John its simple the trees were the first gospel. Eat of this one and not that one, it was only obedience or disobedience. All that other is New Age stuff that is not valid, in the New World when Jesus returns. The tribulations are yet to come and these principles will become secondary when the 7 years tribulations begin

      • Wasn’t the tree of life removed from the garden after the fall?

        • I do not think so, which is why God put angels around the garden to keep people out

          • Might it have been that he Garden of Eden was the connection with other dimensions of heaven.

            I know, I know. There has been much speculation regarding what or where the Garden of Eden is.

            If the Garden of Eden is protected, then is still exists, correct?

            Adam and Eve were banned from it. Does that mean that they were once privileged to visit another realm where the Garden existed?

            Does it mean that the earth was once a part and parcel to heaven?

            If the “tree” of life were Jesus, then things start to make sense.

            If the “tree” of knowledge of good and evil were satan, things really start to make sense.

            Was the Garden of Eden actually paradise?

            Was satan driven from the Garden of Eden? He was cast out of heaven.

            Just questions……
            😉

        • No, like Marianne said, the entire Garden of Eden was off limits and guarded by one big warrior angel.

        • The tree was not moved, Adam and Eve was removed.

  10. “instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. 5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.…” You may find this citation in 1 Timothy…in case you care to be fruitful with the time the Lord gives you….rather than fools.

  11. At Thomas: you wrote: “The Bible confirms that Cain and Abel were born of Adam and Eve.”

    True.

    But the issue is HOW Cain was “begat” and Abel was “begat”….

    A woman CAN be pregnant by two separate men…Very rare, but it is possible. And it has happened.

    Refer back to a previous post where I mention “heteropaternal superfecundation”.

    • Well said sir

    • Watchthebeast, Incest was not taboo then until after the flood, The law was given to Moses. They had sisters, Nieces, to preserve the bloodline and grand daughters, etc… LOOK at Genesis 19:36 it was not uncommon for this to be a mindset.

      King James Bible
      Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

      Abel didn’t begat, because he begot dead. It was Adam and Eve that had more children and one was Seth, a man of God, 130 years later. God worked through Seth to Noah. There was a lot of begatting those centuries. ALL OF CAIN”s bloodline died out in the flood. Only 8 survived and those 8 then multiplied. The earth was one land mass until the time of Preleg, God divided the land after the changing of language after nimrod. Eve becoming pregnant with Lucifer didn’t happen according to the Bible. The Serpent Seed manmade doctrine tries to cover over this

      • Ok Thomas, using your line of thinking…..WHERE does it say in scripture SPECIFICALLY that “all of Cain’s bloodline died out in the flood”?

        Isn’t THAT “speculation” on your part?

        • watchthebeast, no speculation on my part.

          Genesis 7:13 King James Bible
          In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

          The global flood of Noah’s day was the direct judgment of a just God. The Bible says the flood wiped out “people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds”—everything that breathed air (Genesis 7:23).

          The text provides some clues as to the extent of the evil before the flood. One problem was the rampant violence: “The earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence” (Genesis 6:11). The descendants of Cain, the first murderer, were abounding in bloodshed. Another evil among the antediluvians was occult sexuality. Genesis 6:1–4 mentions the Nephilim, “heroes of old, men of renown” who were the products of a union between fallen angels and human woman. The demons who participated in this sin are currently in “chains of darkness . . . reserved for judgment” (2 Peter 2:4). The people who participated—and the Nephilim or Giants themselves—were destroyed in the flood. The biblical description of pre-flood humanity is that they had become totally hardened and beyond repentance. Things were so bad that “the Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled” (Genesis 6:6).

          The fact is that sin affects all of society, not just those who intentionally engage in evil. When a society promotes abortion, babies die as a result. When a father or mother begins taking meth, their children will suffer as a result. And, in the case of Noah’s generation, when a culture gives itself over to violence and aberrant sexuality, the children suffered. Humanity brought the flood upon themselves and upon their own children.

          It took Noah up to a hundred years to build the ark. We can assume that, if other people had wanted to board the ark and be saved, they could have done so. But that would have required faith. Once God shut the door, it was too late; they had lost their chance (Genesis 7:16). The point is that God never sends judgment without prior warning. As commentator Matthew Henry said, “None are punished by the justice of God, but those who hate to be reformed by the grace of God.” All flesh means the 8 and flesh of animals are included not additional humans.

          To be inclusive and I have to go now….as i can’t bring much more to this conversation than this. I would suggest that you look up the scriptures and not use human logic but what God has written.

          The biblical passages regarding the flood make it clear that it was global. Genesis 7:11 states that “all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.” Genesis 1:6-7 and 2:6 tell us that the pre-flood environment was much different from that which we experience today. Based on these and other biblical descriptions, it is reasonably speculated that at one time the earth was covered by some kind of water canopy. This canopy could have been a vapor canopy, or it might have consisted of rings, somewhat like Saturn’s ice rings. This, in combination with a layer of water underground, released upon the land (Genesis 2:6) would have resulted in a global flood.

          The clearest verses that show the extent of the flood are Genesis 7:19-23. Regarding the waters, “They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. Every living thing that moved on the earth perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.”

          only find the word “all” being used repeatedly, but we also find “all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered,” “the waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet,“ and “every living thing that moved on the earth perished.” These descriptions clearly describe a universal flood covering the whole earth. Also, if the flood was localized, why did God instruct Noah to build an ark instead of merely telling Noah to move and causing the animals to migrate? And why did He instruct Noah to build an ark large enough to house all of the different kinds of land animals found on the earth? If the flood was not global, there would have been no need for an ark.

          • Sorry, I read and discern “speculation” and defense of your stance all throughout your last post here, but certainly you are entitled to your “opinion” on “your” interpretation of scripture, as am I and others as well.

            On another note, Genesis 4:1 of the King James says:

            “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.”

            I have read that the Dead Sea Scrolls translates Genesis 4:1 as saying: ”

            ” And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by Sammael (Satan), and she conceived and bare Cain, and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like the earthly beings, and she said, I have gotten a man from the angel of the Lord.”

            Not having read the Dead Sea Scrolls (hard to find translations of it online) I have no way of verifying if this translation is accurate.

            Interesting, nonetheless.

            • the fact that adam knew eve, right before it said she bore cain , indicates that the sex was between adam and eve.

              • Adam knew Eve does indicate that sex before cain; and even before that, God told Adam and Eve to go forth and multiple means make more like you. She bore children without the pain of childbirth. After the sin and out of the Garden she bore children in pain.

              • Yeah, just reading from the King James, it sounds that way. But, if the translation from the Dead Sea Scrolls is the more accurate translation of scripture, then that sheds a whole other light upon the understanding.

            • The word of God, overrides any document or unaccounted for “discovered scrolls or documents” in any location. The KJV is the word of God and the Only source of truth and doctrine as evidence shows. The Gnostics is Satans way of misdirecting mankind from the truth. what you read is fabrication and lies based on Satanic influence of the fallen angels like the Book of Enoch which was written in the first century. Enoch was 365 years old when take about 3 generations before the FLOOD. “I’ve gotten a man from the Lord” means the Baby has a penis…..simple. and they knew that the birth of any baby came from God. The terms then of having sex was “To know them” ….google the story of Sodom and Gomorroah, The sinful men of the city wanted “To know” the angels visiting Lot. Adam KNEW Eve, has sex with her… The word to KNOW is the key word. simple. sorry but this is not an opinion. its based on Gods word and not my own. I can as a human interpret any way I want…but it goes back to what God told Moses to write. simple

              • What has me scratching my head over your comments, is that you believe that the fallen angels had sex with human women producing the nephilim (giants), BUT you can’t fathom that Lucifer/Satan/Sammael potentially had sex with Eve in some sexual/spiritual way whereby a child (Cain) was produced.

            • Very interesting about the dead sea scrolls.

              If Abel and Cain were twins, There’s no guarantee
              that Cain was first conceived, just first born

  12. That happened to the Tree of knowledge of good and evil?

  13. by the way, according to scriptures and basic biology, Ham, Japheth and Shem came from the same father; Noah and his wife. They were all the same race, culture and language. The Table of nations developed later for another factor. Ham was not black……not possible.

    • where do you think black negroes came from? their features are different from whites and middle easterners

      • The Earth has power structures or ley lines that has different frequency vibrations and these ELF Frequencies change DNA. Languages over a period of Time Changes DNA. God Changed the languages at the tower of Babel and divided the land 10+ generations later during a gap in history and during the generation of Preleg.

        http://noeticdigest.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/the-language-of-dna-can-dna-be-reprogrammed-by-words-and-frequencies/

        http://web.archive.org/web/20041210190739/http:/www.fosar-bludorf.com/hyper2000/hyper2000_eng.htm

        http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85.%5D

        http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/articles/362-groundbreaking-russian-dna-discoveries

        http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/12/scientist-prove-dna-can-be-reprogrammed-by-words-frequencies/

        God could of also changed the DNA instantly when he changed the languages at the Tower of Babel.

      • Methinks the answer to the negroid question might be in the relationship Ham had with his mother

        It thought that Nimrod was negroid

        Maybe Ham was in more of a hurry than the others, to replenish the earth

        • The Antichrist/Beast will be/is the last Nimrod…..the individual who is filled with the spirit of Apollyon, the destroyer from the Abyss….I think he is biding his time right now until he goes thru a major ritual and then is “revealed’ to the world…..not saying he is negroid but just that he is the last Nimrod, or a “type’ of Nimrod who was a hunter of the souls of men.. Worship him and be declared a “god’ just like he thinks he is himself.

        • Don, Ham was not black and Ham never had sex with Noah nor his mother. However, Nimrod Ham’s grandson did marry his mother, Semiramis. Nimrod was not black. The table of nations came after the tower of Babel and the change of language then came the different genetic traits.

          • how genetic traits developed is not in the bible.. you are equating language and racial color, but this is speculation.. like you said, stick to scripture

            • Nope. Not true. Gravity is not in the Bible but its present. Nuclear power is not in the Bible but we have it. The word Bible is not in the Bible but you are reading it. The word Trinity is not in the Bible but the Trinity created us. Now, Clones are not in the Bible but they are creating them. How genetic traits are in the Bible as it talks about the brain, circulatory system in Ecclesiastes 12:6;

              1 Corinthians 15:38-39King James Version (KJV)

              38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

              39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

              Leviticus 19:19King James Version (KJV)

              19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

              Genesis 1:26-27King James Version (KJV)

              26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

              27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

              1 Timothy 4:3King James Version (KJV)

              3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

              The Bible especially Job speaks of genetics; however, the Bible is not about genetics but this discussion so a complete answer is necessary. So staying strictly with the Bible concerning the subject matter being discussed is not logical. The discussion about genetics then is not logical to talk about if the Bible doesn’t discuss genetics as part of salvation. Therefore, one must go outside the Bible to have a complete discussion about genetics. Fortunately the Bible does talk about genetics.

              Quote:

              The Bible and the Laws of Science: The Laws of Genetics
              by Bert Thompson, Ph.D.

              http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=12&article=454

              There is good reason why organisms should reproduce “after their kind”—the complexity of the genetic code. It is doubtful that you will ever hear anyone cognizant of the facts speak of the “simple” genetic code. A.G. Cairns-Smith explained why:

              Every organism has in it a store of what is called genetic information…. I will refer to an organism’s genetic information store as its Library…. Where is the Library in such a multicellular organism? The answer is everywhere. With a few exceptions every cell in a multicellular organism has a complete set of all the books in the Library. As such an organism grows its cells multiply and in the process the complete central Library gets copied again and again…. The human Library has 46 of these cord-like books in it. They are called chromosomes. They are not all of the same size, but an average one has the equivalent of about 20,000 pages…. Man’s Library, for example, consists of a set of construction and service manuals that run to the equivalent of about a million book-pages together (1985, pp. 9,10, emp. in orig.).

            • Very interesting……DNA in the Bible by Christians

  14. In my earlier postings I showed proof that DNA is in fact effected by Language, ELF or magnetic forces acting on the DNA from different parts of the Earth to modify the DNA to that frequency that is present in different locations on the planet.

  15. DNA in the Bible

    http://designed-dna.org/blog/files/9fb492e53313dfc4d00ee409a4fe2216-26.php

  16. +—–+ +—–+ +——–+ +——-+——+ +——–+
    |Chap | |Chaps| |Chaps. | |Chaps |Chap. | |Chaps. |
    |1-4 |Ch. 5|6-10 |Ch. 11|12- |Ch. 25:| 25- |28:10 |Ch. 36|37-50 |
    +—–+—–+—–+——+25:11 | 12-18 |28:9 | -35 +——+——–+
    |Adam+|ten |Noah+|ten +——–+——-+——-+——+ |(38: |
    |Eve |gen- |his |gen- |Abraham+|desc- |Issac+ |Jacob+|desc- |Judah+ |
    |Cain/|erat-|wife |erat- |Sarah |endants|Rebecca|Leah, | end- |Tamar) |
    |Abel/|ions |Shem/|ions |Hagar/ |of | |Rachel| ants |Joseph+ |
    |Seth | |Ham | |Ketura |Ishmael|Esau/ |Zilba,|of |Ossnat |
    | | |Japh-| |Ishmael/| |Jacob |Bilhah|Esau |Menashe/|
    | | |eth | |Issac | +——-+12 | |Ephraim |
    +-+—+—–+—+-+ | sons of| |sons | +——–+
    |Chap. 4:3-24 | | Ketura | +——+
    |Cain+his wife| +——–|
    |(verse 18 |
    |4 gen- |
    | erations) |
    |Lemech+Ada, |
    |Tzilla |
    |Jabal/Jubal |
    |Tubalcainh+ |
    |Na’amah |
    +————-+

    The essential data in the detailed description of each of those beloved by G-d, the jewels, are first, the revelation of G-d to him and, second specific mention of the naof his wife and her family background.[2] The exceptions to this rule are Cain and Noah.

    Cain, whose descendants perished in the flood – and they therefore appear in Table 1 as an appendix unconnected to the progress of mankind – is not a precious gem. On the other hand his life is described in detail, G-d speaks to him twice – therefore Rabbi Eliyahu Dessler calls him a prophet![3] Though his wife is not named, other women in his family are so honored – and Na’amah more then the rest. About Na’amah we know her paternal lineage to Adam, the name of her mother and those of her brothers.

    this is the torah study page i copied from

    http://www.biu.ac.il/JH/Parasha/eng/noah/enoach1.html

    also on previous post was a typo mormon not moron, sorry

  17. William Lynch Speech a hoax

    http://manuampim.com/lynch_hoax1.html

  18. http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/question/may04.htm

    He was not the start of “lynching” either, if you were to of read this document that you believe to be true, he was against hanging and believed it was a loss of money. the first link I sent as well as the second quote every scientific reason that this is a hoax as well as who lynching was really coined after. Now that I have been categorized as a “you people” please be very specific as to what the meaning of that is so that I do not jump to conclusions.

    • Yes it was the start of lynching to keep the slaves in line, and they named Lynchberg, Va…after him….FACT. He might of been against hanging but the lying, Freemason, slave owners weren’t. I am very specific and will maintain my previous comments and stand by them. Freemasons are trying to over this and lie to cover this true story. Certainly its no Hoax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Also there is no need to make it a hoax……such as this. No, the truth will come out and there is nothing you people can do about it.

  19. the Freemasons control the Education system, Political system, police departments, and also write the history. Don’t even try this with me.

  20. But even assuming that Mr. Lynch was an exception to this practice, much of the text of his “speech” remains anachronistic. Lynch makes consistent reference to “slaves” – which again is possible, though it is far more likely people during this era would refer to persons in bondage simply as “Negroes.” In the first paragraph, he promises that “Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented,” but the word “program” did not enter the English language with this connotation until 1837 – at the time of this speech it was used only to reference a written notice for theater events.

    Two paragraphs later he says that he will “give an outline of action,” for slave-holders; the word “out-line” had appeared only 50 years earlier and at that time was only used as an artistic term meaning a sketch – it didn’t convey its present meaning until 1759. Even more damning is his use of the terms “indoctrination” and “self-refueling” in the next sentence. The first word didn’t carry its current connotation until 1832; the second didn’t even enter the language until 1811 – a century after the purported date of Lynch’s speech. More obviously, Lynch uses the word “Black,” with an upper-case “B,” to describe African Americans more than two centuries before the word came to be applied as a common ethnic identifier.

    In some popular citations, Lynch has also been – inexplicably – credited with the term “lynching,” which would be odd since the speech promises to provide slave-holders with non-violent techniques that will save them the expense of killing valuable, if unruly, property. This inaccuracy points to a more basic problem in understanding American history: the violence directed at black people in America was exceptional in the regard that it was racialized and used to reinforce political and social subordination, but it was not unique. Early America was incredibly violent in general – stemming in part from the endemic violence in British society and partly from the violence that tends to be associated with frontier societies. For most of its history, lynching was a non-racial phenomenon – in fact, it most often directed at white people. The term “Lynch law” was derived from the mob violence directed at Tories, or British loyalists, just after the American Revolution. While there is disagreement about the precise origins of the term – some associate it with Charles Lynch, a Revolution-era Justice-of-the-Peace who imprisoned Tories, others see it as the legacy of an armed militia founded near the Lynche River or the militia captain named Lynch who created judicial tribunals in Virginia in 1776 – there is no reference to the term earlier than 1768, more than half a century after the date given for the speech.

    Given the sparse judicial resources (judges were forced to travel from town-to-town hearing cases, which is where we get the term “judicial circuit”) and the frequency of property crimes in the early republic, lynching was often seen as a form of community justice. Not until the 1880s, after the end of Reconstruction, did “lynching” become associated with African Americans; gradually the number of blacks lynched each year surpassed the number of whites until it became almost exclusively directed at black people late in the century. (Nevertheless, between 1882 and 1944, Tuskegee University recorded 3,417 lynchings with black victims — and 1,291 lynchings with white ones.)

    • Most of this rendition is nothing more than obfuscation and more distraction and errant. A last ditch effort and a serious one at that to lie about the Willie Lynch letters. You are apparently here with an agenda and unfortunately you are in fact living a lie trying to hide this true conspiracy. You see, the Freemasons and secret society members would lie to their own mother to protect the alleged secrets. In fact to move up they offer a family member to die…..in order for them to move up.

  21. Something else I would love to try with you, King James, do you know his history? Could you read the actual text of the original KJV?

    • @Janelle, I don’t know how to start. I have to ask you. Are you an Eastern Star? In the Freemason’s or into the New Age? I know the history of King James With letters to his son, the 47 translators histories, and how the 3 groups were set up and the criteria they used to establish security. That’s not an issue. My issue is that I’m feeling sorry for you, seriously if you actually believe what you are putting out is indication of only two points One, you are an Eastern star sent to LIE and deceive on purpose because your husband or Father were Freemasons, making you a Rainbow girl and living a lie all your life. Only prayers are your hope. If you actually believe what you are saying, you have been deceived by those you trusted. I know King James History very well. The alleged “actual text” of the Masonic KJV is satanic, seriously.

      This is your soul you are messing with. To blaspheme and corrupt the word of God, knowingly means you have been living a lie most of your life. FACT.

      I’m going to assume that you are just deceived. Below is the evidence and true history of King James and not the rendition of the Luciferian Freemasons, Jesuits and Illuminati version.

      THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD

      A Lamp In The Dark:untold history of Bible ~ Full Film

      Whats the Big Deal about the KJV? – Sam Gipp

      Whats the Big Deal about the KJV? Episode 2 – Sam Gipp

      What’s the Big Deal About the KJV: Episode 3

      What’s the Big Deal About the KJV: Episode 4

      What’s the Big Deal About the KJV? Episode 5

    • You won’t be using the cut and paste response with me on the King James because you have much to learn or you will have to learn the hard way in your time of Judgment. This is no game or Freemasons cloak and dagger hide the truth from the goyim agenda.

  22. http://henrymakow.com/2013/06/Can-We-Trust-the-King-James-Bible.html

    http://www.sirbacon.org/links/bible.html

    http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/james_vi/james_vi.html

    Much love to you sir!!!! As previously stated, I have gone back to clear my bloodline and DNA. I am far from perfect the only blood I now identify with is that which was shed for me by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Just having to go back to find these links makes me sick.

  23. Mankind and so called scholars of the Bible can make up anything they want. Does it make it true when literally humanist, Marxist and Socialist make up the entire education culture of the USA as evidenced by quotes.

    NO where in the Bible does it say or even confirm that Cain had any children to survive the flood. All died out according to the Bible, except for 8 humans and two of each kind of animals male and female. You have no reliable source that can verify that life came any other way.

    • somehow giants were still around after the flood…..

      There are even a number of these post-flood giants
      mentioned by name (Og and Sihon, in Deuteronomy 3:11, Joshua 13:12,
      and Numbers 32:33, for example).

      they came from somewhere….

      bible says 8 souls were saved, but nephilim do not have souls……

  24. http://loveforlife.com.au/content/08/02/16/willie-lynch-letter-making-slave-document-everyone-should-read-and-learn-how-evil-a

  25. It is documented that after the nations have been merged into an International State the directors then intend to crown the head of the Illuminati “King Despot” of the universe. [Carr, William G. “Red Fog Over America, 1955.]

    Quote:

    “The agentur of the Illuminati will next proceed to eradicate racial characteristics by mixing the Black, Red yellow and White races. This experiment has already been carried out on a large scale.

    “DR BROCK CHISHOLM, had advocated on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation that “By MIXING the Races All Racial problems would disappear.”

    “then after this to render the masses docile and obedient to their masters. accomplished by mass medications. Experiments along this line have been conducted extensively since 1900 AD, as was told previously, Fluoridation fits perfectly in this phase of the conspiracy.”

    this is been going on for generations since 1492 as documented by their plans, [Ballyoz, Harold. “Signs of Christ” 1979]

  26. “Looking” for “The” anti-Christ is very likely a dead end. If “The” anti-Christ incarnates, I’d be really surprised.

    I’m pretty sure that we’re going to see Jesus appear sooner than most consider.

  27. Mafia Wife Says Royals, Politicians, are Killing, Raping Children For Fun!!!😮
    beforeitsnews.com/celebrities/2014/09/mafia-wife-says-royals-politicians-are-killing-raping-children-for-fun-video-2469656.html

    • I heard of many evils, but these stories coming out about the hunting, raping, and killing children is especially disturbing to me.

      There isn’t much longer to wait

  28. The Papacy is the false prophet, as is the little horn speaking blasphemies.

    • No Don, the Papacy will be taken down by the Jesuits making way for a fake WWIII and fake Armageddon to bring on the real False prophet Sanada Immanuel. The destruction of the Catholic church has always been planned to bring on the real religion of the Anti-Christ The New Age Movement and the anti-Christ. Teilhard de Chardin, was a Jesuit priest who was also the FATHER OF THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT.
      The little horn is the anti-christ but will come after the fall of the roman Catholic church.

      • In the authorized KJV, John never uses “the” preceding any of the five times that anti-Christ is mentioned.

        The word “the” imbues the subject word with specificity.

        The little horn is certainly anti-Christ, but not THE anti-Christ.

        Unlikely about the Jesuits, since they’ve been in charge for quite awhile now. Especially since they now have a Jesuit Pope.

        Roman Catholicism will not likely fall. There’s not enough time for much of anything save exposing it.

        The little horn is definitely the papacy which blasphemes, and the Vatican is the city/state beast of revelation which regained it’s statehood with the Lateran treaty of 1929. There is no doubt about this.

      • Mr. Gambill,

        What are your thought’s on the location of the Ark of the Covenant?

        Reference Revelation 11:19

        DAN

        • Dan, To speculate would be hazardous. I don’t believe wyatt, and I know God is light years ahead of mankind in trying to find it. The Ark people are tied up in…The false Shroud, all this…is distraction to keep us busy tracing these items of really issues and points that is Gods business as ours is the Great Commission. They are searching for the Garden of Eden, on and on it goes.

          What needs to be found is a persons salvation more than any ark.

          • Why hazardous to speculate? God Himself invited us to reason together with Him.

            The Ark of the Covenant which bears our Lord’s death Testament, as correctly stated by the KJVB, has a direct bearing on salvation. It also proves to the lost, that He has a right to judge. Pretty important

            The Shroud of Turin is a fraud. On that you and I agree.

            If God had not wanted us to know of the Arks location, He would not have had the apostle John indicate it’s location in Rev 11:19.

            I didn’t ask you if you believed Ron Wyatt.

            I asked you if you might have thought’s about the location of the Ark of the Covenant.

            Dan

            • Ron Wyatt indicated some location about the Ark….so mentioning him was appropriate whether you asked about it or not. I mentioned it anyway to give part of the answer. The Ark has nothing to do with our salvation. The New Testament tells us how to obtain Salvation through Jesus Christ and no idol…..or ark. However, the Ark being found has some bearing in the end times, but not on our salvation.

              The Apostle John recorded in Revelation 11:19 that he saw the Ark in the temple in heaven.

              To get to the chase, no one really knows where the Ark is to this day. There are too many false leads. Was it taken by Nebuchadnezzar? Was it destroyed with the city? Or was it removed and hidden safely away, as evidently happened when Pharaoh Shishak of Egypt raided the temple during the reign of Solomon’s son Rehoboam

              Could the Second Maccabees 2:4-10 which was not inspired by God and does not belong in the true Bible, said that Jeremiah hid the Ark in a cave. Even the Ethiopian Orthodox Church claims to have the Ark in a treasury that they keep behind locked doors.

              You will find that there are stories that the Knights Templar or Freemasons have it, but none of these stories are likely.

              The most important point that arises in current times and the truth is that Jeremiah 3:15-18 talks about a time when the Ark will no longer be needed or missed. At that time, the Jews will freely and completely follow God. Jerusalem, itself, will be God’s throne. There will be no longer a tune to hide from God’s presence behind angels’ wings, real or gold.

              The answer that God wants us to know is that the Apostle Paul, who was a former Pharisee and also familiar with the Old Testament, knew the concept quite well when he wrote about Christ being our covering for sin in Romans 3:24-25: “…24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

              So, Just as there was only one place for atonement of sins in the Old Testament; the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant; so there is also only one place for atonement in the New Testament and current times and that is at the cross of Jesus Christ. As Christians, we no longer look to the Ark but to the Lord Jesus Himself as the propitiation and atonement for our sins.

              • You have GOT TO KIDDING! OK, you’ve previously taken me to task over things, and now I’m going to take you to task. I’m going to leave Ron Wyatt out of this AGAIN! I’m going to agree with you again about the KJVB, that it’s infallible. Further, that shroud of Turin is bogus The fact that Jesus Himself thought that the Ark of the Covenant was important is enough for me to study it a bit. For you to summarily dismiss the Ark as integral with salvation is a bit disturbing, especially since it’s apparent that you have a following that you influence.

                You declared, “The Ark has nothing to do with our salvation”. That’s a pretty emphatic and incontrovertible declaration for you to make. Can you provide citations for this declaration? Or is it on your own authority?

                Of course the Ark is no idol. Did you think me an idiot?

                You said, “To get to the chase, no one really knows where the Ark is to this day. There are too many false leads.” REALLY?

                The following is straight out of the KJVB and Strong’s Greek concordance with interlinear reference link at the bottom

                READ THE FOLLOWING IF YOU PLEASE:

                Revelation 11:19 Academic word study:

                Revelation 11:19: “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightning’s, and voices, and thundering’s, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

                Let’s assemble some facts:

                1) — The Apostle John wrote in Greek.

                2) — Syllogism A syllogism (Greek “conclusion,” “inference”) is a kind of logical argument that applies deductive reasoning to arrive at a conclusion based on two or more propositions that are asserted or assumed to be true.

                Syllogisms were commonly utilized in Greek, long before and after the Apostle John wrote Revelation.

                Aristotle preceded Jesus. In its earliest form, defined by Aristotle, from the combination of a general statement (the major premise) and a specific statement (the minor premise), a conclusion is deduced.

                For example, knowing that all men are mortal (major premise) and that Socrates is a man (minor premise), we may validly conclude that Socrates was mortal(conclusion)

                Major premise: All humans are mortal. Minor premise: All Greeks are humans. Conclusion: All Greeks are mortal.

                3) — Syllogistic arguments are usually represented in a three-line form (without sentence-terminating periods) —

                Revelation 11:19 apparently fits the definition of a three line form, Greek syllogism.

                ———- Major premise: “And the temple of God was opened in heaven: ———- Minor premise: and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: ———- Conclusion: It was Jesus’s testament, therefore Jesus is the Gog that the text speaks of.

                ============================================================== 4)– Greek word definitions:

                nāós G3485 Temple Greek ναός (naos, “inner part of the temple”). — inner part of a temple; Temple; Holy of Holies, Church; Shrine

                — This word has been employed in different meanings: (1) formerly, it meant the solemn placing of the relics upon the altar of a church which was to be consecrated, hence a newly consecrated church was called naos enthroniasmenos (naòs enthroniasménos).

                — the sanctuary or Holy place (Greek, “naos”), not the whole temple (Greek, “hieron”).

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                5) — οὐρανός heaven G3772 KJV Usage: air, heaven(-ly), sky. Thayer:

                1) the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it 1b) the universe, the world 1b) the aerial heavens or sky, the region where the clouds and the tempests gather, and where thunder and lightning are produced 1c) the sidereal or starry heavens

                2) the region above the sidereal heavens, the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells and other heavenly beings

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                6) -Testament – διαθήκη — diathēkē — G1242 διαθήκη The KJV translates Strong’s G1242 in the following manner: covenant (20x), testament (13x). The most definitive use of testament is in Hebrews 9:16: “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator”: Covenant can be a Verb and/or noun Testament is a noun disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will a compact, a covenant, a testament G1242 διαθήκη testament Verb and/or noun disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will a compact, a covenant, a testament.

                Thayer: 1) to arrange, dispose of, one’s own affairs 1a) of something that belongs to one 1b) to dispose of by will, make a testament

                2) to make a covenant, enter into a covenant, with one Strong’s: διαθήκη properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially) a contract (especially a devisory will) an agreement, a mutual undertaking a promise or undertaking, human or Divine, signifies a mutual undertaking between two parties or more, each binding himself to fulfill obligations, it does not in itself contain the idea of joint obligation, it mostly signifies an obligation undertaken by a single person. For instance, in Galatians 3:17 it is used as an alternative to a “promise” a) a promise or undertaking, human or Divine, b) a promise or undertaking on the part of God an agreement, a mutual undertaking, between God and Israel In Hebrews 9:16-Hebrews 9:17, the translation is much disputed. There does not seem to be any sufficient reason for departing in these verses from the word used everywhere else. The English word ‘Testament’ is taken from the titles prefixed to the Latin Versions.” * [* From Notes on Galations by Hogg and Vine, p.144.] See TESTAMENT. http://studybible.info/TR-KJV_Strongs-ERV/Hebrews%209:16 KJV_Strongs(i) 16 G1063For G3699where G1242a testament G318is, there must also of necessity G5342be [G5745] G2288the death G1303of the testator [G5642] .

                It would appear that the KJV correctly utilized “testament” within Revelation 11:19 as a noun denoting physicality, or a physical declaration, or physical evidence; physical proof of death; covenant completion

                Hebrews 9:16 supports testament as the correct word usage for Rev 11:19 “For where a testament is, there must of necessity be the death of the testator” — KJV

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                7) — Greek grammatical rule: A declension is also a group of nouns, adjectives, verbs and pro nouns that follow a particular pattern, or that follows the inflection of subject nouns. It’s true in English, and more true in Greek. Greek has precise grammatical rules. It’s true in English, and more true in Greek. Greek has precise grammatical rules”and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake,and great hail” Note: It’s presumed that when the Ark of the Covenant is in a sentence with temple, that the temple is holy of holies. —

                Citation needed, but does exist. I just lost it ——————————————————————————————————————— Conclusion:

                Revelation can be read thus as: The Holy of holies of the Lord was opened in the starry vault[that we see], and the Ark bearing His blood testament[noun] was seen in the Holy of Holies[earth temple]; and there were lightning’s, and voices, and thundering’s, and an earthquake, and great hail.” . The categorical argument of a syllogism applies to the text. ———————————————————————————————————————- Extrapolation: The Earth is the Lord Jesus’s Temple, because it was His blood the text speaks of. And the location of the Ark bearing His blood is the Holy of Holies; and the Apostle John saw these things on the Earth which hangs in the starry sky(Strong’s #3772 – 1b) of the heaven that we see, and John saw his master’s blood on the Mercy Seat, and correctly identified it as his Master’s blood testament; because John was the only disciple to stay at the foot of the cross throughout his Master’s ordeal, and he saw his Master die, and he saw His side pierced, and the blood flow down the crack. Summation: It’s now apparent that the Bible is more clear on the Ark’s location than was previously thought. The data supports this.

                The Ark of the Covenant has been here on the Earth the whole time! John “saw” the Ark of the Covenant that bears the blood that was shed by the rightful high priest who anointed it, as was prophesied and ordained. John correctly identified the blood as proof of death, or more correctly, Yahusha’s last testament which was His blood. God hides nothing from His own.

                http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev11.pdf

                I haven’t hade this successfully refuted yet

                Perhaps you might want to reconsider you declarative approach to relating things, and declarations with sufficient facts in evidence are not the best evidence

                • Do you actually think that all that cut and paste of Greek this or that really tells the location of the ark? Its doesn’t. Do you honestly believe that the salvation of offered to 7 billion people on this planet has anything to do with the ark then you just outsmarted your own self. I stand by what I wrote and that was too much anyway but I gave you the benefit of the doubt and that you might actually catch on.

                  No, Don, I change nothing. Strong’s concordance cannot be fully trusted as he even defines Lucifer as “the morning Star” which is wholly wrong. The former name of Satan, Lucifer means Light bearer…….correctly identified in the King James.

                  I have a radio program and if I have a following that is their choice. I give good information and researched in detail without ego or any personal gain. You on the other had try to impress with a lot of fat but no meat. The Ark is Old Testament, Jesus is new. Jesus didn’t abolish the law but he FULFILLED THE LAW including the Sabbath.

                  not sure what game you are on but you best back up and rethink your rhetoric and loads of bones and not much chicken. No crack, no blood sliding down anywhere..and you are saying some of the same things that Roy Wyatt has said…..

                  Makes me think that a connection to the fake jesus named Yahshua or Yeshua , is surfacing. 🙂 the name of the fallen angel named Sananda Immanuel or the real false prophet. So called “alien” or “ascended master”….the big lie. Jesus of Nazareth comes 7 years after the first seal…..This is the story and I’m sticking to it. No the Ark has nothing to do now with Salvation. The individual accepts or rejects Jesus as their savior.

                  No one is the clone of Jesus either….just in case that comes up.

                  So thats it…..not changing my position. You have failed to take me to task…..and that’s okay. I remain firm in my answer.

                  • You didn’t really read what I had presented, that’s obvious “Cut and paste” as you call it is honest research offered to you by me. It is honest research, compiled with references and my own writing. Connect the dot’s for God sake! I said that the Ark is “integral” with salvation. Reread it.

                    You really don’t get it do you!!! The Greek references point to the correctness of the English, and the KJV. Do you really think that I have need to impress??? I’ll take that as an insult. I’m trying to establish the veracity of the KJV Bible. Do you not get that??? Strong’s validates the KJV in this instance.

                    You said( I cut and pasted your exact words) “You on the other had try to impress with a lot of fat but no meat’ — Is that what you really think that I’m trying to do??? How insulting can you get?

                    You said; “The Ark is Old Testament, Jesus is new. Jesus didn’t abolish the law but he FULFILLED THE LAW including the Sabbath. not sure what game you are on but you best back up and rethink your rhetoric and loads of bones and not much chicken. No crack, no blood sliding down anywhere..and you are saying some of the same things that Roy Wyatt has said….. Makes me think that a connection to the fake jesus named Yahshua or Yeshua , is surfacing. 🙂 the name of the fallen angel named Sananda Immanuel or the real false prophet. Makes me think that a connection to the fake jesus named Yahshua or Yeshua , is surfacing. 🙂 the name of the fallen angel named Sananda Immanuel or the real false prophet. Jesus of Nazareth comes 7 years after the first seal…..This is the story and I’m sticking to it”

                    What does the Sabbath have to do with what we’re talking about?

                    The Ark is old testament? Did you just make that up?

                    “rhetoric and loads of bones and not much chicken.”

                    “No crack, no blood sliding down anywhere..and you are saying some of the same things that Roy Wyatt has said…..” Say what!?!?!

                    “Makes me think that a connection to the fake jesus named Yahshua or Yeshua , is surfacing. 🙂 the name of the fallen angel named Sananda Immanuel or the real false prophet.” Say what?!?!? What do you mean, and what bearing does this have on the Ark of the Covenant

                    “Makes me think that a connection to the fake jesus named Yahshua or Yeshua , is surfacing. 🙂 the name of the fallen angel named Sananda Immanuel or the real false prophet.” What are you talking about???

                    “Jesus of Nazareth comes 7 years after the first seal…..This is the story and I’m sticking to it”

                    What you’ve proffered is rambling rhetoric. Most of it disenfranchised from the topic at hand with much ad hominem attacks at me. Why???

                    I think that I have taken you to task, and you’re throwing stones while running.

                    I was giving you something and you refused to even consider. Yes, I did take you too task. You cannot back up what you preach

                    • I read what you presented but it was lots of Greek this and that…..its not relevant to the discussion that The ark has something to do with salvation. The individual and Jesus is all that has to do with an individual’s salvation. Its the Individual’s voluntary submission to the Holy Spirit and repentance of sins. My neighbors salvation has nothing to do with the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark is God’s business about revealing it or not…..the Revelation is built around the 7 seals yet to open, the 7 trumpets and the 7 bowl judgments yet to come.

                      We already know of the correctness of the KJV as that is not the issue. The King James Bible however, is not total without all of the manuscripts consisting of Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin and English. Not only Greek but over 5,000 pieces were collected.

                      You are not following and that is your problem; and you are throwing pebbles getting close to stones. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, the law and the requirements for Salvation without the Ark of the Covenant. God knows where it is and that is his business……Ark of the Covenant has nothing to do with individuals witnessing for Jesus and fulfilling the requirements for the Great Commission.

                    • You don’t see that everything I offered supported the KJV version of Revelation 11:19 ? Instead you try to vilify me with ad hominem attacks, and then obfuscate the central theme with references to other subjects with little if any connection to the question at hand

                      Do you not see that you wax authoritarian with your emphatic, incontrovertible declarations of what you think is “is”? Do you not see this?

                      OK. Again; Revelation 11:19 — King James Bible And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail

                      The testament was/is Jesus blood, thus , it was His temple.

                      The heaven that John speaks of is the vault of the sky that we see with stars.

                      Lightning’s thunders(tempests — Thayer’s 3772) happen here on earth. Greek grammar required the apostle John to specify which heaven he was referring to, with predicate nouns supporting the declension/inference of the subject noun; in this case heaven/ouranos

                      John was being OVER specific, and we all STILL missed it. Jeremiah 3:16 said that we would forget the Ark’s purpose, and we did – till now

                    • you wrote….”instead you try to vilify me with ad hominem soft attacks, LOL…..and then obfuscate the central theme with references to other subjects with little if any connection to the question at hand”

                      Don, climb down off your high horse; and get with the program. Villify you?? Add Hominy attacks??? lol obfuscate the central theme?? No Don, I am not obfuscating the theme, i’m including factors that you are not agreeing with or seeing. That is not my fault. You call it obfuscating; I call it denial and avoidance on your part. You don’t call the shots my friend. ad hominem attacks?? so we add a pinch of drama here… Does that technique really work? I don’t ad Hominem I go directly to the person. 🙂

                      Now, Revelation 11:19 is just stating that God has not forgotten HIS Covenant with His People, Israel. According to the Scripture When the Temple of God is opened in Heaven, the Ark Of His Covenant appears…..it appears in Heaven, A SYMBOL that all He has promised to Israel will come to pass. There are lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail……speaking of during the Tribulations, reference the possibility during the sixth seal, 6:12-17; and the first trumpet Revelation 8:7. HOWEVER, it is more than likely it is referencing the 7th bowl judgment Revelation 16:17; the 100 pound hailstones to kill the Giants that will on Earth at this time. Also massive movement of the Earths crust like in the missing part of History where God Moved the Continents after he divided the languages at the Tower of Babel. Point is that is God’s business when the Tribulations start. However right now that has nothing to do with people you meet and their salvation right now. The scriptures we speak of is for those in jerusalem anyway.

                      But you are the one that is talking down to me, trying to get on a pedestal, subtle Ad Hominim

                    • You couldn’t be more wrong. But then you know that. Or maybe you suffer the Dunning-Kruger effect. Who knows….

                • You see right now up to September 21, there is a bogus Global Meditation for “Peace”. What they don’t know is that this is the satanic worship and day of human sacrifice behind the scenes on September 21, for Mabon., to manifest Sananda Immanuel….fake Jesus called Yeshua. The evil is coming…..

  29. Thomas,

    The current Pope is a Jesuit.

    The common language of today, throughout industrial civilizations and governments is English.

    They have rebuilt the Tower; The One World Freedom Tower.

    NYC will receive its wrath in one hour (Rev. Chapter 18).

    Blessings
    Psalm 27

  30. Thanks for finally asking Mr. Gambill. I was raised in the Mormon church. I was in jobs daughters. My grandfather was a 32nd degree mason. Notice the past tense. I am a follower of Christ. I am a lover/fearer of God. I have found it more difficult to find truth in this than any other pursuit. I have seen that Jews, Christians, catholics, etc. Have all tainted everything. I seek to worship in spirit and truth. I am thankful for this site and the blessed soul that monitors it. It gives opportunity to build and sharpen, strengthen and test my beliefs. We do not fight against flesh and blood. We discuss. We expose. The powers and principalities that would have us blind and bitter, full of hatred are not welcome here. I have renounced, denounced, cut off, cut out, everything associated with anything that is not pleasing to God. I am convinced that it is a life of learning and repenting. I also convinced that His grace, mercy, and favor are with me as long as my heart is fully His.

  31. Thomas,

    I’ve been sitting back reading your various comments on numerous pages in amazement.

    Here are 2 comment snap shots on this thread topic, the Ark of the Covenant:

    “My neighbors salvation has nothing to do with the Ark of the Covenant.”

    So, what does the Ark have to do with your salvation?

    “Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, the law and the requirements for Salvation without the Ark of the Covenant.”

    Really?

    Let’s look at just one verse (Leviticus 17:11), provided in many translations:

    “This is because the life of the body is in the blood, and I have given you rules for pouring that blood on the altar to remove your sins so you will belong to the Lord [to make atonement]. It is the blood that removes the sins [makes atonement], because it is life” (Expanded Translation).

    “This is because the life of the body is in the blood. I have told you that you must pour the blood on the altar to purify yourselves. It is the blood that makes a person pure” (Easy-to-Read Translation).

    “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life” (ESV).

    “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul” (NKJV).

    The Ark is a Holy artifact of the Law’s sacrificial process, which included the sprinkling of sacrificed blood offerings upon the horns of the altar (Leviticus chapter 4 through chapter 9).

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+4-9&version=NKJV

    There is no way or method for our Lord to fulfill the Law (Leviticus) but to have His blood applied to the altar (mercy seat). Period.

    Jesus fulfilled the Law as the Lamb of God, shedding His blood – upon the mercy seat (horns of the alter).

    Hebrews chapter 9 also applies to the significance of His blood, fulfilling the Law (Leviticus).

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9&version=ESV

    The requirement of God’s Law was met by the Word made flesh, our Messiah (John 1:1-18) on Passover.

    The blood of the Lamb was applied that blessed Passover, in a holy place designated by God under that old rugged cross with the extraordinary, remarkable assistance of Jeremiah and Temple priests so many years before.

    I pray that those seeing God’s witness (evidence), which is the Ark of His Covenant (promise) moves many hearts to repent, accepting Yeshua as their Messiah.

    Others will not see the Ark for its testimony (witness of His promise) but as a historical relic, accepting the lie. Their hearts will be like Pharaoh’s (hard, cold), ready for judgement.

    “Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant, equip you with everything good that you may do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen” (Hebrews 13:20-12, ESV).

    Please – offer a reply.

    Blessings
    Psalm 25

    • You cite Old Testament law; the mix some New Testament that is not supporting the premise of the main topic.

      Matthew 5:17-18King James Version (KJV)

      17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

      18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    • Yeshua is not his name. His name is Jesus. The name of Sananda Immanuel fake Jesus is coming first. The Hebrew Roots Movement and Sacred Name Movement are pushing this name Yeshua and other connections that are not part of the KJV in context for certain. Disclosure and the fake Jesus is the real False Prophet who will fill the role of the Khalki Avatar, Imam Mahdi, Prince of Peace, Bodhisattva, The Christ, Maitreya, and Krishna in one being. It is yet to come in Disclosure leading to the falling away.

      http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

      https://iamsananda.wordpress.com/category/jeshuayeshua/

      http://goddesslight.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/yeshuasananda-home-within-the-heart-of-god/

      They are all new Age, Fallen angels, also called the Sons of God in the OT; the Hierarchy, The Community, Great White Brotherhood, Ascended masters yet to show. Google this, research it or don’t.

      • Matthew 5:17-18King James Version (KJV)

        Matthew 5:7 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

        Jesus fulfilled the law by leaving His blood upon the Seat of Mercy as was His plan from time immemorial. The only place that it could have happened is at the crucifixion.

        A bigger question is why? We now know that he did it, but how does this answer larger questions?

        — I could be that His blood on the Mercy seat is a sign for end times

        — Blood over law may yet be the new eternal law

        — Mercy over law — what a concept

        — Certainly the Ark of the Covenant which bears His blood will remain where it is for all eternity as a sign that He fulfilled the ultimate law.

        What do you think Mr. Gambill ? ? ? Is the Ark of the Covenant important?

        Dan

        • Dan, no, that was Old Testament. The New Testament was he left his shed blood on the Cross…..not the mercy seat.

          Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

          To receive Jesus Christ as in being Born again. The cross took the place of the mercy seat until the end times….its Gods business. In reality its an individual taking Jesus as savior based on the shed blood on the Cross.

          As you mentioned, Matthew 5:17-18King James Version (KJV)

          Matthew 5:7 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

          Christ Himself is designated as our “propitiation” so to speak. Also, Paul explains this in his letter to the Romans:

          Romans 3:24-25 King James Version (KJV)

          24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

          25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

          What Paul is teaching here is that Jesus is the covering for sin, as shown by these Old Testament prophetic images. By means of His death, and our response to Christ through our faith in Him, all our sins are covered. Also, whenever believers sin, we may turn to Christ who continues to be the propitiation or covering for our sins

          1 John 2:1King James Version (KJV)

          2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

          1 John 4:10King James Version (KJV)

          10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

          This ties together the Old and New Testament concepts regarding the covering of sin as exemplified by the mercy-seat of God.

          • And yet, the Mercy Seat was meant to receive the Savior’s blood.

            Why would Jesus not fulfill that which was intended?

            Dan

  32. The appearance of the Mercy Seat in the future will be a “Home Made” event to welcome in Sananda Immanuel the false prophet.

  33. Dan, you are living Old Testament ……Hebrew Roots, Sacred Name, Arnold Murray, Christian Identity errant teaching….get out of that mess.

    • Say WHAT!

      Clarify

      I asked a basic question and got a declaration resembling an obfuscation. What does it mean to “live the old testament”?

      What do the other terms mean and how do they specifically relate to my question in my previous post?

  34. I don’t know if it is true, but I read when Jesus died on the cross his blood ran down through a crack in the earth to land on the Ark of the Covenant.

    G-d had to show his laws are righteous. They require a price. Lucifer stated G-d’s laws were keeping him form ascending to be a higher being.

    G-d paid the price for us so we can live forever. This shows Lucifer was wrong. Rather than just make creatures worship G-d, we have a choice.

    • Leatherneck, This is a Ron Wyatt myth. The blood was shed on the Cross, dying and rose again takes the place of the Ark of the Covenant. this was old testament for the mercy seat. Its coming from the Christian Identity movement, Hebrew Roots and Sacred name movement. all tied together and also to that Arnold Murray.

      In the Old Testament you will find that the real significance of the Ark of the Covenant was what took place involving the lid of the box, known as the “Mercy Seat.” This word means means “to cover, placate, appease, cleanse, cancel or make atonement for” in Hebrews. It was here that the high priest, only once a year (Leviticus 16), entered the Holy of Holies where the Ark was kept and atoned for his sins and the sins of the Israelites. The priest sprinkled blood of a sacrificed animal onto the Mercy Seat to appease the wrath and anger of God for past sins committed. This was the only place in the world where this atonement could take place.

      there so you can view that the Mercy Seat on the Ark was a symbolic foreshadowing of the ultimate sacrifice for all sin as in the blood of Christ shed on the cross for the remission of sins. The Apostle Paul, who was a former Pharisee and one familiar with the Old Testament, knew this concept quite well when he wrote about Christ being our covering for sin in Romans 3:24-25: “…and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith.” Just as there was only one place for atonement of sins in the Old Testament, as in the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant; then there is also only one place for atonement in the New Testament and current times this would be the cross of Jesus Christ. As Christians, we no longer look to the Ark but to the Lord Jesus Himself as the propitiation and atonement for our sins. I have said this way several times but this is New Testament

      • I was not arguing against any of what you wrote and I agree 100%.

        • I was just commenting on the whole issue. Its big and the push to deny the cross is getting bigger as we near the coming False Prophet is soon to show.

          • Revised post due to typo on the previous post

            I’ll ask you for the third time Mr. Gambill, did Jesus eventually spill His own blood onto the Mercy Seat?

            It’s a simple question. An answer doesn’t require several paragraphs.

            Yes or no!

            Did Jesus spill His blood onto the Mercy Seat as prescribed by scripture?

            Yes or No Mr Gambill….

            Dan

            • Jesus didn’t spill his blood on the Mercy seat because he didn’t need too for goodness sake. His sinless life, his death and his resurrection was enough. It was not required in the Dispensation of his sacrifice and what it meant. You’all believe what you want, deny the death of Christ was enough if you want. The agenda you have is more important than truth. I’m moving on as this can go on forever. I’ve said my piece…….

              • You have revealed yourself as a disinformational artist Thomas Gambill.

                Your agenda is more important than the truth. You are an ideologue who thinks that your opinion matters more than the truth.

                You’ve said your piece? Or you’ve said your peace?

                Mr Gambrill, you need to go back to elementary school.

                Jesus did spill his blood onto the Mercy Seat as prescribed by scriptured

                You have fully revealed yourself Mr. Gambrill. You are and idiot

                • Show me in scripture, in the King James Bible where Jesus spilled his blood on the mercy seat?

                  • Thomas,

                    His blood flowed down the tree for 3 long hours…down through the space where the cross stood…down to where it fell upon the altar of the Old Covenant “to make atonement” for the souls of those who believe, establishing a New and better, “eternal” Covenant in His blood (Hebrew 12:23-25) upon the altar.

                    “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life” (Leviticus 17:11).

                    Blessings
                    Psalm 64

                • You see, my info is backed by commentaries but most importantly Scripture from the HOLY BIBLE, King James Version. No Don you have the agenda…..

                  http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/6017/hebrews-912-did-jesus-christ-offer-his-blood-in-heaven

                  • No Mr. Gambrill, YOU HAVE AN AGENDA, and all readers herein “see” it.

                    Again, did Jesus spill His blood upon the mercy seat? Yes or no.

                    • I answered but you ignore what I wrote. NOW who has the agenda mr Don. Are you Jesuit? Freemason? SDA? Calvinist? I have no agenda; I will expose this mercy seat issues on my broadcast and thank you for bringing up just another method the opposition is denying Jesus’s and his sacrifice.

                • Finally, as I said before you are dredging up the Old Testament practice and denying the shed blood on the cross. The blood is applied only to those who have faith in the atonement of Christ. It is an individual’s choice and it happens only once, we cannot put the blood over them or on them. In the Old Testament motif’s, the blood was sprinkled in the holy of Holies for the people by the high priest once a year. But the objects were those set apart for the Lord, strict instructions were given by God himself on this matter. The high priest could not sprinkle the blood on anything his heart desired. Especially having the blood to be on unsaved or unsanctified individuals. You can’t make something clean that is unclean. This was done only on the objects God set apart in the temple. It was sprinkled on the ark, the mercy seat for their forgiveness during the times before Jesus. His death on the cross was Enough and our faith and belief in this is the key. You will be held accountable…….I assure you.

                  • You said “You can’t make something clean that is unclean”.

                    Clarify Mr. Gambril

                  • Thomas

                    I’m not going to waist my time in replying to your comments, expect to highlight the absurd. This is a beneficial exercise in searching and becoming more familiar with Scritptures.

                    What is this you say – “His death on the cross was Enough and our faith and belief in this (death on the cross) is the key.”

                    Your faith in the cross, and your belief (as you just stated) is about as false, untrue as a “Christian” can make.

                    “And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death” (Revelation 12:11, ESV).

                    “…To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by His blood and made us a kingdom, priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen” (Revelation 1:4-6, ESV).

                    Thomas,

                    Satan hates the fact that the law was fulfilled by the shedding of the Blood of the Lamb upon the altar, fulfilling the Law established by God. Satan will do anything to diminish the power of His blood.

                    “And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are You to take the scroll and to open its seals, for You were slain, and by Your blood You ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation…” (Revelation 5:9, ESV).

                    Key phrase – “by Your blood You ransomed people for God.”

                    “To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion (Hebrews) in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you” (1 Peter 1:1-2, ESV).

                    “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin” (1st John 1:7, ESV).

                    “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ…” (Ephesians 2:11).

                    “Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant, equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen” (Hebrews 13:20-21, ESV).

                    Thomas,

                    His blood flowed down the tree for 3 long hours…down through the space where the cross stood…down to where it fell upon the altar of the Old Covenant “to make atonement” for the souls of those who believe, establishing a New and better, “eternal” covenant in His blood (Hebrew 12:23-25) upon the altar.

                    “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life” (Leviticus 17:11).

                    Blessings
                    Psalm 64

                    • DJ, nope, his death on the cross and shedding of Blood, his sinless life before was enough when he said it is finished. You people ignore the scripture I submitted that clearly proves this. The Scriptures you have given out points to no blood seeping through a 20 fr crack as The false prophet Ron Wyatt said. The Ark was Otd Testament and Jesus was New Testament. The life and death and resurrection of Jesus changed the Old Testament as Jesus fulfilled the law he didn’t abolish it. Man is adding the cracks, and blood on the actual alter…….The alter was sheeps blood; the Cross was the blood of Jesus on the ground…the two did not meet.

      • I’ll ask you for the third time Mr. Gambill, did Jesus eventually still His own blood onto the Mercy Seat?

        It’s a simple question. An answer doesn’t require several paragraphs.

    • it seems if the blood went down a crack, that the crack would still be there.

      • Mary Nell Wyatt re-discovered the crack in the crucifixion rock in 2007. Further, ground radar was used at the crucifixion site and it revealed a vault below the crucifixion site. Additionally, drilling was allowed at the same site, and rock similar to what Wyatt described was discovered.

        Ron Wyatt was not lying

  35. Roy Wyatt was deceived…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD1h2HhogZw

    • I think if you want to prove wyatt was deceived, you will have to select a better video….this one misuses scripture and mis- interprets what wyatt says and then gives personal opinion…

      like if he said “apples,” the video proves oranges are wrong.

  36. Ron Wyatt denies the New Testament, Dispensation that Jesus and his suffering and death was enough. Just the fact that Jesus said it is finished is enough. The heretics on TBN, Joyce Meyers (Eastern Star),and Copeland (Freemason and false teacher), states that Jesus went to Hell and was tormented by their own words is clearly false. It is an effort to deny the deity of Jesus.

    http://www.remnantofgod.org/wyatt.htm

    http://tccsa.tc/articles/wyatt.html

    I have recordings of Joyce meyers and Copeland making these assertions. What does the assertions of Copeland and Meyers have to do with Roy Wyatt. All work for the Vatican to disprove that the sacrifice of Jesus was enough and the validity of the KJV Bible is being attacked by Freemasons and Jesuits.

  37. Thomas,

    “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death” (Revelation 12:11, King James).

    “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen” (Revelation 1:4-6, King James).

    There is Power in the Blood ~

    “Would you be free from the burden of sin?

    There’s pow’r in the blood, pow’r in the blood;
    Would you o’er evil a victory win?
    There’s wonderful pow’r in the blood.

    Refrain:

    There is pow’r, pow’r, wonder-working pow’r
    In the blood of the Lamb;
    There is pow’r, pow’r, wonder-working pow’r
    In the precious blood of the Lamb.

    Would you be free from your passion and pride?

    There’s pow’r in the blood, pow’r in the blood;
    Come for a cleansing to Calvary’s tide;
    There’s wonderful pow’r in the blood.

    Would you be whiter, much whiter than snow?

    There’s pow’r in the blood, pow’r in the blood;
    Sin-stains are lost in its life-giving flow;
    There’s wonderful pow’r in the blood.

    Would you do service for Jesus your King?

    There’s pow’r in the blood, pow’r in the blood;
    Would you live daily His praises to sing?
    There’s wonderful pow’r in the blood.”

    Amen.

    • DJ, no argument about the blood of Jesus…..but not on a mercy seat….hello.

      • Mr. Gambill,

        Are you saying that the blood of Jesus did not anoint the Mercy Seat as foretold by scripture?

        Mr. Ward

        • Don…….Don, Where in the scripture does it say, the blood of Jesus ANNOINTED THE MERCY SEAT? where exactly do you find this scripture? It would be in the NEW TESTAMENT; as We know that she shed Blood of Jesus on the cross and the ground, no cracks are mentioned, and no mercy seat is mentioned. The Old Testament was scattering the blood of a lamb……and in the New testament was the shed blood of Jesus on the Ground…but where was it mentioned on the MERCY SEAT. hmmmmm

          • The name is DAN

            Hebrews 9:16

            Revelation 11:19

            • Dan, like one other poster said that this is getting nowhere and you seem to be edging it on for some reason. I will; however, explain the two verses you have provided since I did ask and you provided.

              As I seem to be the one singled out, and you are the one that is trying to be a “bully”…lol you are scott free to roam and provoke. 🙂 no problem.

              Okay, so, in Hebrews 9:16 the author (Most likely Paul), is simply mentioning about inheritance; reminds him that before a last will and testament can be probated, there must be evidence submitted that the “testator” has died. You might refer here to a death certificate. But, Dan, its not Hebrews 9:16 it is in verses 12-15 that is important. In 9:12 if you read it, you will find that our Lord entered the Most Holy Place once and for all. So, at the time of his ascension, He went into God’s presence. He finished the work of redemption at Calvary. It was “once and For all”. He offered his own blood and he has all his chromosomes. He was fully human and fully God. nowhere is a Mercy seat Mentioned. By His Sacrifice he Obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION. This is compared to the former priests who obtained annual atonement. BIG DIFFERENCE> Just the shedding of his blood was the redemption not anything else. it is justification by Faith!!!! Revelation 11:19 it is just saying that God has not forgotten His covenant with HIS PEOPLE. No mention of a mercy seat again. This is Israel. They the temple of God is opened in Heaven……the ark of the covenant appears, a symbol that all He Promised to Israel will come to pass. Nothing about any mercy seat being our salvation but in fact Paul knew this concept quite well when he wrote about Christ being our covering for sin in Romans 3:24-25:

              Romans 3:24-25King James Version (KJV)

              24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

              25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

              “…and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith.” Just as there was only one place for atonement of sins in the Old Testament—the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant—so there is also only one place for atonement in the New Testament and current times—the cross of Jesus Christ. As Christians, we no longer look to the Ark but to the Lord Jesus Himself as the propitiation and atonement for our sins.

              again in this following quote and detailed description it says the same things as above…..

              “The mercy seat was the place of propitiation. The word propitiation means to satisfy. And it was at the mercy seat that God’s wrath against sin was atoned for, or satisfied. At that time, He was able to show us His mercy by not giving us what we deserve. On the Day of Atonement, the high priest would sprinkle the blood of a goat over the mercy seat, when this was done the LORD’s wrath against sin for the nation was satisfied. Today, Christ is our mercy seat. Believing in who He is and what He did on the cross satisfies ADONAI’s wrath toward sinners. When Christ died for our sins, He satisfied every claim of God’s holiness and justice, so that ADONAI is free to act on behalf of sinners. This is the Good News: For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life (John 3:16).”

              http://jaymack.net/exodus-commentary/Fs-The-Mercy-Seat-in-the-Most-Holy-Place-Christ-at-the-Throne-of-Grace.asp

    • Well said DJ, WELL SAID

  38. I can find nothing in the New Testament about Christ’s blood falling on the mercy seat.

    I did find PSA 85 eludes to G-d’s mercy can only be given through a perfect sacrifice which we all know to be Jesus. Righteous and mercy in the old testament was from a innocent lamb which we all understand too.

    There was an earthquake and the Curtin in the Temple was torn. If G-d wanted Christ’s blood on the Mercy seat, it would have had to be buried some time before Christ was going to be murdered under the very spot the cross was at.

    It is possible, but we will never know until the Mercy seat is brought forth to be seen and inspected. I don’t need it to know Christ is the only way to Heaven. I do think it is an interesting possibility.

    Let’s not argue over such things.

    • we would have to see the crack in the earth and then trace it to a chamber under the ground….but now there is a parking lot at calvary, and it has pavement there…so no crack there now.

  39. Dan,

    Please – consider dropping the discourse with Thomas.

    He does not see it within Scriptures. But, soon he will see the Ark of the Covenant, which will be a testimony (evidence/witness) for our Hebrew brothers and sisters (Romans 11).

    Blessings
    Psalm 34

    • DJ, I see it very very clearly. the mercy seat will bring on Sananda Immanuel; the false Jesus named Yeshua. The Disclosure is soon to take place it seems to bring on the False Prophet named Sananda, who looks exactly like who we think Jesus is……not long now. Disclosure is soon.

      • Leatherneck is saying basically the same thing and you have scriptures clearly indicating the separation of the OT to NT and Jesus’s shedding of blood on the cross was the real sacrifice. No shedding on the Ark as was told previously the ark had to be placed there ahead of time exactly at the right stop by someone…..so you say God did it supernaturally? Nowhere in the NT does it say that the shedding of blood on the ark saved us all…..

        • TG,

          I find most of your posts outrageous which really dictates not responding to you. But with that said I do have a question. What was Messiah’s birth name? Simple question, given that the letter J did not even exist at that time. What language did His birth name come from? Since it came from the Hebrew language, why now does it need to be changed? I have no problem with anyone calling Him Jesus. I chose personally to use His birth name quite a few years back. Does that mean I am pagan and looking for a false Messiah? Does it mean that a person calling Messiah Yeshua, Yahshua, Yehoushua, or Jesus make that person any more or less acceptable to Yah?

          I will repeat the question I asked you the last time I responded to you;
          do you just lack in understanding or are you just willfully ignorant? Just a warning: you are setting yourself up for judgment with this kind of rhetoric. It is ignorant to the nth degree! Your KJV indoctrination is going to end up destroying you. Do with it what you will!

          • Al, DJ, and whoever else is in your family unit hear this. You people ignore the scriptures I submitted with your own opinions and the degradation of scriptures and false claims by Ron Wyatt. Okay that’s fine but, you PEOPLE write these posts in a demeaning and arrogant manner to provoke and when the receiver responds to defend or show EVIDENCE you gang up, pat each other on the back and continue your bullying without really acknowledging what was submitted. What is willfully ignorant is the petty intimidation methods and ignoring scripture and WORSE OF ALL DENIYING That the sacrifice by Jesus on the Cross was enough as He Himself said, it is finished. YOU WILL BE JUDGED HARSHLY by God For this denial.

            Now, you don’t know that soon the fallen angel named Sananda Immanuel is calling himself YESHUA and he will denounce the King James Bible and Christianity when this happens. You will judge ignorantly, what I’ve just said without researching it but that is your problem. I know this to be true. The Hebrew Roots movement, Sacred Name Movement, Christian Identity nut jobs are setting up for the coming of their YESHUA but its not Jesus of Nazareth. Assuming you are still reading, I’ll continue writing the truth here……the name Yeshua is being promoted WORLDWIDE on these movements to set up for the fake Jesus Yeshua to appear and cause a Respiritualization of the Catholic church into the New Age Religion. Teilhard de Chardin a Jesuit PRIEST was the Father of the New Age Movement and Helena Blavatsky was the MOTHER of the NEW AGE MOVEMENT. it will replace Christianity. This is the plan.

            SO, do you lack the understanding or willfully ignorant or just plain lying to these people the ones that are part of this ring here….to set up for this great deception? Which is it? You have three choices.

            Now, once Jesus, the real Jesus takes over Jerusalem after Armageddon, the world will be in one Language, Hebrew. However because the sinful Jews failed to bring Gods Holy Word to mankind the task fell upon the gentiles and this was at that time Greek. Being that you are not aware of biblical history you might find out that in Greek the Yeshua (Hebrew) was translated into “Iesua” and then into a UNIVERSAL language called English. I’m sure you have heard of this language. Maybe. So, the “I” then turns into “J” making his name JESUS……Now, if the Hebrew Jews had not been weak and disobedient and carried out their tasking by God we would be speaking Hebrew today. I don’t expect you people to catch on to this but you will learn in time.

            Now, the only true word is the King James Bible. God is not a God of confusion. If you would actually study Biblical history you would find out that there were only two Bibles ever written. The king James comes from the sources from Antioch and the corrupted bibles comes from ORIGEN, a greek Philosopher, and pagan in Alexandria, EGYPT. Then the corrupted copies of his were obtained by Eusubius, for Constantine, a pagan, to set up the Council of Nicaea to fool the real Christians into thinking he was Christian and founded the Bishop of Bishops, later to be called the Pope and using CORRUPTED BIBLES. the real copies of the actual word of God was taken to the ALPS for protection throughout the Dark ages. WHY ..do you think that period was called DARK AGES Of MURDERING millions by the Vatican to stop the spread of the true word of god. ITs called the Inquisition from 1200 AD to 1800 AD…..and many massacres between.

            now, you can call it outrageous, send more intimidating responses but YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REFUTE this truth. YOU FAIL to be honest and you fail to be professional about this.

            now you can deny, play your silly games but you will not refute with any evidence what I have given you. Also, I have the evidence I’m sure you do not want to see that confirms that EVERY AMERICAN public school is a school of Humanism, (Charles Francis Potter, 1930), and every college and university in the USA uses as its preachment Socialism, Marxism and Humanism in both undergraduate and Graduate levels since 1908 the Federal Council of CHurches had infiltrated the churches and schools. Federal Council of churches now called National Council of CHurches by Rockefeller, carnegie, and Randolph Hearst. ITs all dirty……I have the evidence and I don’t offer it now because it will be ignored and a waste of my time.

            I’ve held back due to this reason and left you alone but you come back with that demeaning post and all those in your willfully ignorant cabal patting you on the back while you all ignore the evidence not even checking it.

            most of you on there with the exception of Leatherneck (I’m a former Marine myself) have no clue what I’m taking about nor will you ever. But, Here it is and that is that…….Big changes are coming the landing site will be Florida, Grand Island, La. and the ISIS will launch their attack to justify Martial law. The ISIS does not exist and neither does or did Al Queda. Its all part of the Hegelian dialectic to justify martial law leading to the North American Union and NWO. None of this I expect you to understand until it happens.

            now, I’ve answered you……and this is a summary not the full load.

            If you want me to stop then stop this juvenile intimidation, ban me or just ignore what I’ve written but I promise you in real time you won’t refute this. This is not that I’m special at all…..I’m not. I just do extensive research that is unbiased that many others have done.

            have a nice day……

            THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD

            A Lamp In The Dark:untold history of Bible ~ Full Film

            Whats the Big Deal about the KJV? – Sam Gipp

            Whats the Big Deal about the KJV? Episode 2 – Sam Gipp

            What’s the Big Deal About the KJV: Episode 3

            What’s the Big Deal About the KJV: Episode 4

            What’s the Big Deal About the KJV? Episode 5

            • Firstly, take a writing and composition class

            • thomas and all

              I think everyone has good points here, and points which may or may not be true, but that is their opinion.

              no one should be demeaned…..so that should stop.

              I do not think anyone here is smarter / more “anointed” than anyone else..we are here to discuss…people should expect different opinions, and not exalt themselves as the only one with the truth….we each have a piece of it….Jesus / Yeshua has all of it.

              what is most obvious is that there is a divergence of views, which has some scripture to go a long with each one….or is partly supported by bible verses.

              we must not lose our main focus, which is the real JEsus / Yeshua, who is our salvation.

              we all agree that the Savior spilled his blood for us…where it ended up, on the cross, on the ground, on a soldiers’ sword, in a hole in the ground is not as important as the blood itself.

              this sananda movement seems to be one more new age movement.. we will see how long it lasts….I remember the hari krisha movement also in the 60s and 70s

            • TG,

              Just to set the record straight, I replied to only two of your responses and they were very specific: the first dealing with Johnathan Cahn and your attack on him for not following “basic KJV Biblical principles”. Your words, whatever they mean.

              “Jonathan Cahn for one cannot be trusted. He is full of buffalo-baloney. Run from these false prophets. http://www.gotquestions.org/tribulation.html He doesn’t even follow basic KJV Biblical principles.”

              Those are your words
              ————–

              The second response I made to you was in response to DJ “the false Jesus named Yeshua”. Your words

              “DJ, I see it very very clearly. the mercy seat will bring on Sananda Immanuel; the false Jesus named Yeshua. The Disclosure is soon to take place it seems to bring on the False Prophet named Sananda, who looks exactly like who we think Jesus is……not long now. Disclosure is soon”.

              Those are your words

              Your comments ARE outrageous and you should have been called out for them. You defame one of our Jewish brethren for not following “basic KJV Biblical principles” all because he is not fixated on the KJV or whatever your comment means? Who are you to judge him?

              Then you take the name of Messiah Yeshua and call it evil. My guess is you will be the one deceived when He comes back if you are not careful.

              Lastly, I never commented on, nor do I have a specific opinion on the Ark of the Covenant.

              If you don’t want to be talked to in a straight forward manner, ratchet your words down some. You are extremely offensive for no seeming reason.

              You “seem” to be intelligent. Use it in a wise manner and things like this won’t happen. None of this exonerates anyone for being harsh or less than charitable. Each of us will have to deal with that.

              Shalom

              • @Al, okay, lets do some “calling out”…. 🙂 Before I start; I have to make an observation that some may or may not understand fully however, I will make it anyway. 🙂 If I don’t answer fully, I get charged with being exposed or lacking an explanation…..if I anticipate the questions and fully answer there are others that say I’m a know it all even though I submit a full answer and detailed and with evidence that your opinions weigh more than links, documentation and evidence, your opinions have more weigh than evidence that is virtually never acknowledged nor discussed nor considered but then comes the insults, or the attitude that is characteristic of KNOW IT ALL’s, and they or others direct to me. lol 🙂 I don’t mind its easy to handle but I find it “interesting”……

                Now, since you have deemed my comments “outrageous” lets start with J. Cahn.

                So, you don’t like my words lets use someone else….so there you go.

                http://davemosher.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/heretical-harbinger-author-jonathan-cahn-who-is-he-and-what-does-he-really-believe/

                http://www.thebereancall.org/content/june-2012-extra

                http://hatchcreek.com/2013/02/11/a-warning-about-the-harbinger-by-jonathan-cahn/

                http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2012/harbinger.htm

                Always three or more sources as I have plenty more…..

                So, you have my words and I stand by them and so deal with other people’s words. Also, Cahn’s association with the controlled opposition, like Sid Roth and several others is quite evident.

                I do what God commands us to do and I will continue to do so…

                ——————————————————————————
                The Confusion Between Judging and (Bold Rebuking, Warning or Correction

                http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/judgement.htm

                http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php?t=369068

                ——————————————————————————–

                NO, you RACKET it down because you people Dan or Don and The others are making subtle attacks or demeaning manners and yet you accusing me of the same thing……..double minded maybe?

                I will not allow you to be demeaning to me or anyone else without raising the flag and making you aware of it.

                SO, you use your intelligence in a wise manner because I am. I do a 3 hour per day broadcast, five days per week and have from five years and based on nothing but facts……..

                Now, the final point…yeshua. If you were reading a King James Bible in Hebrew his name would be Hebrew. However, we are not there yet where everyone in the world does not speak HEBREW…yet. God tasked Finally King James with finally bringing his word to mankind fulfilling his promise to preserve his word in an INTERNATIONAL Language called English. I know for a fact because I worked for OSCE for five years and no matter what was your nationality you had to be fluent in English. The Greek for Yeshua is Iesus, in English its JESUS. Once the time of the gentiles is over we, the whole world will go back to Gods language, Hebrew. The Yeshua in Greek is Iesus, and the Iesus is Jesus.

                Now, finally, the reality is that the falling away is coming as the bible confirms. Google this if you are not aware of it. The anti-Christ and False Prophet is on the Horizon.

                Here are the fallen angels…..or sons of God from the Old Testament Genesis 6:2-4 and Job 38:7.

                http://www.greatdreams.com/masters/ascended-masters.htm

                http://www.aetherius.org/ascended-masters/

                now the reason that they want the world to acknowledge Yeshua is “jesus” now is the coming Externalization of the Hierarchy. Alice Baily, Blavatsky, and Benjamin Creme et al.

                https://iamsananda.wordpress.com/category/jeshuayeshua/

                http://james-realidadmagica.blogspot.com/2013/07/message-from-yeshua-jesus-esu-immanuel_15.html

                Finally she below has an exact description of what is to come based on knowledge and the true coming deception.

                part 1 and 2.

                Oh I know….now you will accuse me of being a know it all….lol 🙂

                you asked, I answered.

                • TG,

                  I read, watched, and listened to most of what you posted in your article above. I find it interesting that you seem to have a problem with only Jewish people and Messiah’s Hebrew name. Everything Hebrew or Jewish that has come up, you have denounced! Why is that?? I find you listening and using as “authoritative” sources, only those who condemn Rabbi Cahn, from the all gentile Christian Church. The videos you provided are laughable. I tried listening to the first ashtar video…….. I am sure you have many more that you could share, but no thanks.

                  If what you posted is representative of what you believe and why, I pity you more than dislike and totally disagree with your theology. Your insight into things is extremely superficial and shallow. You are being deceived on a major scale. None of this specifically has to do with Rabbi Cahn. It is your attitude towards anything Jewish or Hebrew that is concerning. You fill in the blanks…

                  I will be praying for you

                  Shalom

                  • AL, ahhh here we go again. You seem to ignore the fact I also expose the Roman Catholic church, Islam, and every single other religion as well. Looking for a weak spot eh? Shills do that you know. I have a problem with biased shills, and liars. Nothing Hebrew but the Jews in Israel are not Hebrews….YET. Al if you keep yourself in “dumbness” that is your fault and not my problem.

                    Al please don’t pray for me….I think you mean curse not pray. Your prayers is not to God of the Bible but to another god…….leave me out of your invocations and prayer chains.

                  • Those that ignore facts and truth are the ones needing Help…..I have all the Help I could ever need from anyone with Jesus.

              • there shall come a deception that will fool even the very elect….

                2 Corinthians 11

                12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

                Matthew 24:24

                King James Bible
                For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

                http://ipost.christianpost.com/news/aliens-extraterrestrials-are-really-demon-spirits-12605/

                http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/aliensinbible.htm

                I have tons…..if you need more…assuming you even read the first paragraph. Now, I realize that I will be ostracized and singled out for this but your failure to not actually study this and pray about it like the rest of us have, is not my problem. If you don’t want my answers don’t ask me the questions and just simply ban me or just don’t bother writing back. I assure you one thing, you won’t refute it. Time is short for DISCLOSURE to take place and the first seal to open.

              • now here comes the rub…..the Shroud is a proven fraud even by the Bible; and it will have “BLood” …..hint. the ark will eventually be produced and it will have blood……hint. The blood type will magically match the anti-Christ…..long story short.

                Quote”

                “The Jewish fables and legends state that this massive earthquake caused a crack in the earth at the Foot of the Cross and that the Blood of Yahshua, as it poured out from His side from the spear, slipped down through this crack and hit the Ark of the Covenant far below. That YahShua’s Blood actually anointed the Ark of the Covenant, which was still buried in the earth where Jeremiah had hidden it. But THAT IS A LIE!

                You see, in early 2014, the Jews will at last bring forth the Ark of the Covenant from its ancient hidden place below Jerusalem. They will use DNA testing to show that blood is indeed on the surface of the Ark. This DNA testing will match the blood of Judas Iscariot, convincing everyone that Judas Iscariot is YahShua of Nazareth.

                And herein is the snare Yahweh is sending on those who refuse the Truth and so will now believe a lie.

                Here is WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.”

                Link to one story…

                http://www.spiritandtorah.com/sonofperditionthesnareantichrist.html

                http://www.arkdiscovery.com/aoc-1.htm

                http://www.tribwatch.com/ark.htm

                what to do….okay.. i’m done for now.

                God bless……

                Jesus Christ of Nazareth is coming after the 7 years. The anti-Christ and false prophet will bring on the first seal of peace and then war once the 7 years begins……

              • I think Cahn is commericalized….he has some trivia and he has turned it into a book for sale

    • Already considered, and already done. Thomas Gabill has already exposed himself.

      • @don you people live in a dream world of false theology. Jesus’s death on the cross was all it took. His resurrection and ascension was all. Now if you people…want to believe that some group predispositioned, this ark, knowing way ahead of time that the cross that Jesus was going to be placed would be directly above it, that God would create supernaturally a CRACK exactly below the cross where his blood would fall, Or…….God sent angels supernaturally to place the ark there…..and not mentioning it in the NT…you go on ahead and believe that. In the meantime the fake shroud and the blood type and the appearing ark with Blood type will match the anti-christ…or false prophet Sananda and the Anti-christ…wow what a coincidence. lol the great deception. I know your game. 🙂 it will fail.

  40. Still wanting to search for physical evidence?

    Ron did what you suggest needs to done. He was there. He saw the crack in the rock. He saw the crack from within the grotto.

    http://www.hope-of-israel.org/wherejer.htm

    Ron estimated the crack was 20 feet long, running down, below where he found the hole that held up the cross.

    Please, we only need to wait a little more longer before God’s witness (evidence in the world’s courtroom of public opinion) is brought forth.

    Blessings
    Psalm 34

  41. Al,

    Great, simple question.

    Thomas is weaving truth with error. Hit and miss to confuse and most importantly to sow discord/division.

    Some posts by folks are more obvious than others. Most folks don’t realize or know what’s going on, spiritual. But, you do!

    You’ve also recognized some bitter water within HA. Pray against it.

    Knowing others are reading this reply – here is my testimony regarding the name of Jesus: I’ve cast out bound and cast out demons, confronted witches and voodoo curses in the mighty name of Jesus.

    Blessed be the name of the Lord.

    He, Yahshua, is so full of compassion, understanding and love. Thank you, Lord. His Truth is truly marching on, Amen.

    Keep up the Good Work, in the mighty name of Yeshua (Jesus), Yahshua our Messiah!

    Blessings to you!
    Psalm 20

    • dj

      I think there is always that tendency within people to think they know it all…this is pride…people have to look within themselves and find the truth in a humble way.

      • So how humble was Al? or DJ? DOn or Dan? oh very humble indeed. 🙂 and they don’t know it all? even without any evidence or applicable scriptures. oh my gosh.

        • i think everyone needs to be humble….I did not mention names here…dj can flaunt his credentials / experience also… notice my comment was directly to him

          sometimes you just have to let something go if you are not getting anywhere….people are always welcome to email me and discuss things offline if they bump heads on the site

  42. Marianne and all who are following this tread,

    I read in another reply – that you have a personal message for me – but you were sending that message in a reply to Thomas.

    You openly suggest – to Thomas – that I’m “flaunting” my creditionals/experiences?

    Wow!? Ouch!

    Please, such statements of “pride” and “flaunting” requires a written reply, posting for anyone to read.

    These are similar accusations within replies/comments posted by dru to me in days gone by.

    How do I share within HA on topics of spiritual warfare, deliverance, and other related pages without expressing the foundation of what I share by experience?

    What I share in HA was learned from Derek Prince, within Scriptures, and other men of God who ministered to me. Then, I share with others, ministering to others, in His name. This is discipleship, by definition. Thank you Lord.

    Creditionals?

    Where have I “flaunted” what is written in Mark 16:17-18?

    It is truth, not a lie.

    Is expressing truth, when posting replies to a specific spiritual warfare request/need or comment, “flaunting?”

    Where did I post in Heaven Awaits – MS after my name or expounded on published works in college text books or a professional journal, teaching at a university and community college, and speaking at professional conferences to national and international audiences?

    Pride?

    I could have added MS after my name, but I don’t edit my writing well before posting (pride would command me to edit until perfect), and it’s also a matter of addressing/suppressing in a direct way – the spirit of Leviathan.

    It seems you perceive a lack of integrity or maybe it’s a matter of sincerity by suggestion “flaunting.” Is perception – truth?

    Is this retaliation? Do I need to apologize for something? Let me know.

    In most (if not all) of the comments/replies posted, the ending lines give Him glory by reference Psalms and other Scriptues.

    There is a purpose for giving such Scriptures and the enemy knows it too. Therefore, I rebuke that demonic spirit in the name of Jesus.

    So now for you, personally —– Excuse me and God bless you.

    Thank you for allowing me expand on this tread, regarding pride.

    You understand the spirit of pride, Leviathan.

    This was one of the first pages I read on HA and one of my first replies, which you greatly appreciated – at the time.

    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/leviathans-home/

    “The article above speaks of dragon fossils found in the sea. Could there be any dragons left?

    In the end times, Satan takes on the form of a dragon during some of the events predicted.

    While I do not really want to be here to see such a thing, it would be an amazing, and terrifying sight to see Satan himself arise out of the sea, and unleash his evil wrath upon the inhabitants of the earth.”

    The following is what I posted in reply to your page, including your summary statement above—–

    “Leviathan, a demonic spirit, attacks the spiritual goals of Believers, restricting truth, worship of Almighty God, and a spiritual move of the heart towards the Lord.

    This spirit disrupts learning and understanding, and almost always present in family generationally [Irish, Scotish, Italian, Hebrew and other nations/peoples]…

    This spirit is a king (monarch, ruling spirit) over all those who are proud. Pride and Leviathan are synonymous.

    This spirit of pride causes that stony heart to close scales, folding them together, blocking the fullness of the Spirit of God.

    Leviathan’s most crucial work, as that evil spirit, is restraining people from receiving the things of God, the Spirit of Truth. [Please see 2nd Timothy 3:7.]

    “Leviathan is the name of ‘pride’ and we are given a vivid description of this “spirit”.

    It is a very powerful spirit associated with Satan and his principalities [Ephesians 6].

    In Job 3:8, a reference is made to a dragon, which according to ancient mythology, was supposed to cause eclipses by wrapping itself around the sun. Leviathan was considered to be a great mythical monster, identified with the Babylonian mother goddess, Timat. The father of Timat was Apsu, in the Babylonian creation story. This monster fought with Marduk by reciting charms and casting witchcraft spells.

    “His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, They stick together and cannot be parted” (Job 41:15-17, NKJV).

    Pride – as scales are his pride, bound so tightly that air (Holy Spirit?) cannot penetrate.

    In Job, Leviathan is described as “strength dwells in his neck, and sorrow dances before him. The folds of his flesh are joined together; They are firm on him and cannot be moved” (Job 41:22-23, NKJV).

    Pride – this is known as “stiffed necked” in the Old Testament. Oh, those Israelites can be a very stiff necked people, as we can be today.

    Pride – this is evident in with those holding a “hard heart” not soft as the Lord God gives us, when we repent. “His heart is as hard as stone, even as hard as the lower millstone. When he raises himself up, the mighty are afraid; Because of his crashing they are beside themselves” (Job 41:24-25 NKJV).

    “His undersides are like sharp potsherds; He spreads pointed marks in the mire. He makes the deep boil like a pot; He makes the sea like a pot of ointment. He leaves a shining wake behind him; One would think the deep had white hair” (Job 41:30-32).

    Job has his eyes open to Leviathan as he is when he states in the climax and to conclude the account “I’ve heard but now I see” (41:5).

    Job became personally aware (through friends and the work of Satan) that the “problem” was pride and God enabled Job to experience it and share the story with us.

    “In that day [the Lord will deliver Israel from her enemies and also from the rebel powers of evil and darkness] His sharp and unrelenting, and strong sword will visit and punish leviathan the swiftly fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting and winding serpent; and He will slay the monster that is in the sea (Isaiah 27:1, NJKV).

    Strong’s (3882 and, 3867) defines Leviathan as a wreathed animal or serpent. Leviathan is represented in the heavens as the constellation of the dragon, Cetus.

    This word, which occurs six times in the Old Testament, comes from a root word which means to bend or twist. It means literally wreathed; like a wreath; to be wreathed; gathering itself in folds.

    In context of Job, it suggests some form of aquatic monster which dwells in the sea. We know within Scripture that the sea represents nations of people. The sea is the voice of many waters, or many people, in the book of Revelation.

    Jesus rebuked the disciples, because of their heart. “Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen” (Mark 16:14 NKJV).

    Jesus knows the spirits and they knew him. When the disciples came to Jesus to complain/wonder about the deliverance of a spirit from a man that would not easily depart, Jesus said that this spirit can only come out with prayer and fasting.

    This particularly difficult spirit confronting Jesus was probably Leviathan.

    “Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; Nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, And bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; Sling stones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; He laughs at the threat of javelins” (Job 41:26-29, NKJV).

    The reason people get so shut in [confined spiritually] is because of the effects of Leviathan.

    You may say you have no pride but rebellious pride often hides.

    Leviathan’s spiritual work can be very subtle. He can twist, writhe and slip out of the way; causing one to reject dependence on God and subjection to God (“fear of the Lord”, Psalm 34). The fear of The Lord is His treasure and Leviathan does not want His Children to find it in the field (Matthew 25).

    There is a way to overcome Leviathan – it requires deliverance ministry. It requires – fasting and prayer and seeking the Great Deliverer to expel that spirit.

    If you (or anyone) would like more information – write back and I’ll direct you to resources.

    Blessings (Psalms 40).”

    DJ said this [edtited for this post/reply] on October 11, 2011 at 11:44 pm.

    Thank you Lord, because You deliverance from this evil demonic spirit in 2011.

    I remember the fight with Leviathan and do not want to go through that again – it was painful (literally). It is gone, thank you Lord.

    Thank you, for allowing me to post this reply.

    There is a modest blog started about a month ago –

    LightofHeaven.net

    You should appreciate the purpose and messages of the blog.

    BTW – Obama is the vessel of dishonor. One of the criteria of The AC is found in Daniel,

    “He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all” (Daniel 11:17, NKJV).

    You know Barry’s gay and Michele is Michael. At least you shared your understanding of those facts with me via an email.

    Regarding Daniel 11:17, Barry stood before the nation and quoted Psalm 46:10 on the 10th memorial of 9/11.

    What does that verse have to do with 9/11?? Nothing! Zero.

    You post “evil” as a criteria – you know better. I know you know better.

    He is the son of perdition, soon to be revealed as The AC.

    Blessings to you.
    Psalm 34

    • dj

      I appreciate your contributions….and I love you like a brother in the LOrd…but sometimes you are a little rough….like when you inferred that the cup of wine I had in the angel of death dream indicated maybe I was drinking unworthily of the cup.

  43. Just for reference…

    46 Prophecies the Antichrist will fulfill

    http://www.raptureme.com/resource/anderson/ac46.html

  44. to everyone

    I am very sick today and and do not have the strength to read LONG arguments which are futile because the other party is not interested.

    all of you are stressing me out.

    I am deleting negative comments / comments with contention or strife….

    also comments that are too long…I have a severe headache and cannot read these long comments. I am in pain all over my body and this strife is killing me.

    Please. ALL of you, take a few days off.

    I cannot handle outraged egos right now…..I have fever and chills and muscle pain all over my body.

    and learn to present CONCISE arguments.

    remember you are christians first, and apologists second….please show some mercy and love to each other.

  45. Marianne, i find that I don’t belong here…..So how can I take my name off of notifications and not receive any more notifications. Go ahead and delete my subscription. Thank you.

    Tom

  46. Who is Sam Gipp?

  47. The sin of Ham is most likely incest with his mother.

    • @ Dan…I believe it was incest as well. Certainly, anyone who knows anything about freemasonry (at the higher levels) or the like, KNOWS that anal sex is a pathway for “enlightenment” …for them…..very plausible to me that Ham would do this to his father Noah,and bring shame to a righteous man.

      And still, this disgusting reprobate habit is carried on today in the brotherhood and in the media like it is a normal, wonderful thing,..NOT…. and now incrementally, (but at a sped up pace) they are trying to mass market and spew this abominable practice to the ignorant, telling them that’s it’s just a ok (pun intended) to defile themselves this way (because hey, some were just born this way, don’t cha know?) just as they THEMSELVES have become defiled.

      They just gotta “spread their filthy love “practices” around….can’t keep it to themselves….stupid, ignorant fools! They REAP what they sow! Many diseases for one….

      ONLY thru Jesus Christ is there a way OUT of that sick mentality and sick practices taught by those who THINK they have the truth, but in reality have BOUGHT the LIE, hook, line and sinker.They are just mere pawns in a spiritual chess game between good and evil, being played out upon humanity and THEY themselves do not even know it! Silly fools! They are NOT “enlightened!

      They are ALL in darkness and hopeless with NO direction. They only blindly “think” they have the true light. How LITTLE they really know.

      Jesus is the WAY OUT of that sexual bondage and addiction. But you gotta do it HIS way and not your own way. Are they willing to humble what THEY “think” they know to TRUE path of enlightenment? Ah, that’s the question……and what will determine their final destiny.

      • There is no question that it was NOT INCEST. Your guessing does not override the word of God. Nowhere does it say incest. They were not into the New Age Satanic worship as they were righteous as the Bible says. Mans link with the New Age principles comes directly from Satan and the fallen angels. Yes, anal sex is the pathway not to enlightenment but to demonic possession as to the abomination of Gods creation by going against that which was made natural. Ham brought shame to a father by showing disrespect and what was expected in THOSE DAYS was to cover him up. The Bible describes perfectly what was to be done when the brothers didn’t look upon their fathers nakedness. So, in order to distract from truth, one speaks in favor of Jesus just to discredit the Bible, clever.

        Noah and his three sons were not into the Freemasonry, but later Nimrod was.

        The Bible, King James Bible is the sovereign word of God. You can’t worship Jesus and corrupt his word at the same time.

        • “Nowhere does it say incest.”

          Ever hear of “occam’s razor”? Father God gave us brains….logical deduction from the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.

          Genesis 9:24:

          “And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.”

          “what his younger son HAD DONE to him”

          Think about that scripture long and hard.

          no where does it say it wasn’t incest. You can’t prove what you say. You can just guess.

          It was the act that brought on the curse.

          • That is the logical conclusion, that we will never know the actual act which took place I’ll have to admit.

          • @watchthebeast…okay, here is the rub on all that. We know the fact that the King James Bible is the only true word as all other Bibles come from the Greek Philosopher Origen, in the 3rd Century and the modern day Bibles are corrupted by two lying Freemasons named Westcott and Hort.

            Therefore taking the text from the King James Bible we get the following in short, details available…

            In short, Ham SAW his father nakedness vs to uncover the nakedness is different. To uncover is to take off….and have sexual relations. However, to see is showing disrespect of the parent and therefore not sexual relations….. however, neither were there so there is no real conclusion.

            http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/bible-questions/answer00924-meaning-that-ham-saw-noah-naked.html

      • Now, there are theologians that says “to uncover the nakedness” is to have sexual relations with the father or mother. The purpose of the corrupted versions is to discredit the KJV because it is the only true word of God. So, the differences in the corrupted versions vs the King James muddies the water. I found theologians that sat on both sides of the discussion one groups says To uncover the nakedness was having sex with the parent and the other side was the disrespect of seeing the parent naked due to the brothers turning away.

        In the KJV if one knew the Bible they would read in Leviticus 18:7;

        “King James Bible
        The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

        Knowing that this was after Noah and God’s word was given to Moses by GOD HIMSELF and God never changes. HOWEVER…..this is not what you get with the corrupted Bibles by clever, evil design the Freemasons Westcott and Hort and before them the alleged Church Fathers Jerome and Origen changed the word of God also. SO in the Corrupted modern versions of the Bible it says something ENTIRELY Different.

        Parallel Verses
        New International Version
        “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

        New Living Translation
        “Do not violate your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; you must not have sexual relations with her.

        Holman Christian Standard Bible
        You are not to shame your father by having sex with your mother. She is your mother; you must not have sexual intercourse with her.

        International Standard Version
        “Neither your father’s nakedness nor your mother’s nakedness is to be exposed. She’s your mother, so you are not to have sexual relations with her.

        NET Bible
        You must not expose your father’s nakedness by having sexual intercourse with your mother. She is your mother; you must not have intercourse with her.

        GOD’S WORD® Translation
        “Never have sexual intercourse with your mother. She is your own mother. Never have sexual intercourse with her.

        So, there is actually a stalemate as to what really happened I’ll have to admit.

        • True…

          None of us were there so we cannot give an “eyewitness” report on it…

          But someone else was there…the Holy Spirit of God
          who saw it all and my conclusion was, scripture was written the WAY it was, implying that Ham forced himself upon his father Noah while Noah was drunk (and vulnerable) and defiled him.

          Ham probably learned his abominable practices previously from unsavory influences and practices that he himself might have been or (probably was) a participant in.

          Who knows? Perhaps in Ham’s mind, he thought he could gain some sort of benefit or spiritual enlightenment from doing what he did….corrupt and cursed tho it was.

          • To concede to a point that you mentioned; Although it is not found in the Bible but in history that Ham’s grandson has sexual relations with his mother and married her, Semiramis. Its interesting to note that Masonic influence on this is even today in the open public. This was never to be a joke but secretly the Humanist that control all public schools nationwide and the Universities as well, use the education system since 1908 to brainwash the population and mock God.

            This was a ritual unknown to most of the watching audience. But even then what about the parents that actively participated? Could they have not said NO. OR refused to participate? Its more than the school its the parents…..what were they thinking?

            The Royal secret of the Freemasons and practiced by the Pentagon in the secret chambers are rooms to allow this practice for their soldiers who are into remote viewing and automatic writing. The act of sodomy allows possession or enlightenment, as its called the ROYAL SECRET known only to about 1/3 of the 33rd degree Freemasons.

    • @Dan, to my discovery that there are theologians that also say the “uncover the Nakedness” could mean Sexual relations I have to apologize for my response. I found an even number of theologians and credible ones that says it was, and a number of “credible ones’ that says it wasn’t.

      So, we are stuck on Don’t know for sure. Its like in those days, “to know someone” was to have sex we know that for sure. Then it gets murky with Christian Identity cults that Genesis 4:1 that Eve said, “I’ve gotten a man from the Lord” as meaning, “I’ve known a man from the Lord” inferring that Eve has sex with satan in the Garden and Cain was the offspring. That is another discussion. but the point being the Knowing vs uncovering the nakedness……

  48. From the book of Dan; you find that the sin of Ham is most likely “Incest” with his mother”. which is ironically what did happen to his pagan grandson, Nimrod who was a the first anti-Christ. Nimrod did have incest with his mother after he even married her and thus was born the legends of ISIS, Easter roots, and child sacrifice etc……Shem his great Uncle finally killed Shem for his sacrificing of children and pagan practices.

    However, From the word of God, not the book of Dan I submit the following.

    We ask the question first at to why did Noah curse Canaan when it was Ham who saw him naked? Also we can ask why was Noah so angry that Ham saw him naked?

    There are some theologians that suggest that Ham and/or Canaan actually did something to Noah in addition to seeing him naked. This is a popular explanation for those that don’t use the Bible but have an agenda. Simply said that the passage mentions that Noah was angry when he found out “what his youngest son had done to him.” The most frequently mentioned reasons that people “GUESS” at is homosexuality, rape, and humiliation are mentioned as possibilities. There is even one rabbinic teaching that says Ham or Canaan castrated his father. However, the text nowhere states what Ham did to Noah. Therefore any theory of what occurred is speculation.

    There is another view that comes out of comparison with Leviticus 20:11,

    “The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness…” Keeping Leviticus 20:11 in mind, some propose that Ham had sex with Noah’s wife, and that was what brought the curse from Noah.

    However, this figurative understanding of “uncovering nakedness” fails to account for the fact that Shem and Japheth walked into the room backward and covered Noah with a garment. This does not make any sense if “uncovering nakedness” means “having sex with Noah’s wife.” It definitely seems that Noah was lying naked has his nakedness uncovered.

    So, whatever took place between Ham and Noah, why did Noah curse Ham’s son Canaan, when Canaan is nowhere mentioned as having done anything? The Bible does not specifically answer this question. Ham was Noah’s youngest son, and Canaan was Ham’s youngest son. Perhaps Noah cursed Canaan because it is more painful for a father to see his child suffer than it is for a father to suffer himself. The other possible explanation is that Canaan was somehow involved in the incident, thereby bringing Noah’s curse upon himself.

  49. Antichrist Unmasked!😮
    https://www.worldslastchance.com/ecourses/lessons/bible-study-lessons-ecourse/5/antichrist-unmasked.html

  50. @watchbeast,

    Well said

  51. To DJ and All,

    This is probably unwanted and deemed unnecessary, but never the less it is something that needs to be said. I was going to just let all of this go, but realized I couldn’t do that. This is concerning the posts made between Tom G. and myself. I don’t think most realize what happened during these exchanges and it needs to be aired. Many seeds were planted during the discussion and need to be brought into the light. What anyone does or doesn’t do with what I am about to say is up to them. It is just a warning. Heed it if you feel so inclined, or not.

    In the conversations with tg, he made it abundantly clear, that in his estimation (and others likeminded), the King James Version of scripture is the only true version of scripture, basically nullifying all the other translations. These are his words: “THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD” and “Now, the only true word is the King James Bible”.

    Let’s take a quick look at some of the facts surrounding King James 1 and “his” translation of scripture.

    Around 1290 the Jews were kicked out of England, though some of the wealthy Jews were allowed in during the expulsion to conduct business and commerce. England was an anti-Semitic country under the rule of King James 1 who allowed the edict of expulsion for the Jews to endure. The edict of expulsion was not reversed until Cromwell became king in the middle 1600’s, following James 1. In addition to that, King James 1 gave this command to the translators who were going to do his translation of scripture:

    “James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy”.

    In other words, make sure that the translation fits the doctrines and structure of the Church of England. So much for truth!! Kind of explains a lot about tg’s KJV only stance. This might offend many, but this is the history of what happened. The statement above is found in many places. These are just a few;

    https://play.google.com/store/books/details/King_James_Version_The_King_James_Version_of_the_B?id=6yhcAgAAQBAJ

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

    http://www.androidblip.com/android-apps/com.iwpsoftware.android.ebook.religion.the_king_james_bible.html

    Let’s look at some of tg’s comments concerning his views on the Jews. These are his words;

    “Jonathan Cahn for one cannot be trusted. He is full of buffalo-baloney. Run from these false prophets. http://www.gotquestions.org/tribulation.html He doesn’t even follow basic KJV Biblical principles.”

    Why was Johnathan Cahn not to be trusted? Tg said “He doesn’t even follow basic KJV Biblical principles.”

    He is very specific here. Not scriptural principles, but rather KJV Biblical Principles. Can anyone see a pattern here? All of this is about the message of the KJV TRANSLATION. Let’s look at another one:

    “So, you have my words and I stand by them and so deal with other people’s words. Also, Cahn’s association with the controlled opposition, like Sid Roth and several others is quite evident”

    Here is another:

    “DJ, I see it very very clearly. the mercy seat will bring on; the false Jesus named Yeshua. The Disclosure is soon to take place it seems to bring on the False Prophet named Sananda, who looks exactly like who we think Jesus is……not long now. Disclosure is soon”.

    The following quote is my response to him:

    “I read, watched, and listened to most of what you posted in your article above. I find it interesting that you seem to have a problem with only Jewish people and Messiah’s Hebrew name. Everything Hebrew or Jewish that has come up, you have denounced! Why is that??

    The following quote is his response to my statement above:

    “AL, ahhh here we go again. You seem to ignore the fact I also expose the Roman Catholic church, Islam, and every single other religion as well. Looking for a weak spot eh? Shills do that you know. I have a problem with biased shills, and liars”.

    He affirms the statement I made above: “Everything Hebrew or Jewish that has come up, you have denounced! Why is that??”

    Here is one more important quote from tg that deals with his anti-Jewish bias and unabashed replacement theology:

    “Nothing Hebrew but the Jews in Israel are not Hebrews….YET”

    My guess is that most will not know exactly what he is talking about, but his saying this defines his theology. What he is most likely saying is that there is no ethnic purity in the Jews in Israel. This all goes back to a group of people called the khazars. I will not try to explain it. Here is a link that explains all of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars. Some radical groups try and denounce the Jews in Israel using this approach. But most researchers find that there is more than enough evidence to prove that the Jews in Israel are Jewish.

    The following is the last paragraph of the article if anyone wants to cut to the chase. I find it interesting that in this last paragraph there is one group that kind of stands out given all we have read here from tg: “White supremacist Christian movement”. Maybe, maybe not. Only he knows for sure.

    This is the article:

    “Use in anti-Semitic polemics
    Maurice Fishberg and Roland B Dixon’s works were later exploited in racist and religious polemical literature in both Britain, in British Israelism, and the United States.[267] Particularly after the publication of Burton J. Hendrick’s The Jews in America (1923)[268] it began to enjoy a vogue among advocates of immigration restriction in the 1920s; racial theorists[269] like Lothrop Stoddard; anti-Semitic conspiracy-theorists like the Ku Klux Klan’s Hiram Wesley Evans; anti-communist polemicists like John O. Beaty[270] and Wilmot Robertson, whose views influenced David Duke.[271] According to Yehoshafat Harkabi (1968) and others,[272] it played a role in Arab anti-Zionist polemics, and took on an anti-semitic edge. Bernard Lewis, noting in 1987 that Arab scholars had dropped it, remarked that it only occasionally emerged in Arab political discourse.[273] It has also played some role in Soviet anti-Semitic chauvinism[274] and Slavic Eurasian historiography, particularly in the works of scholars like Lev Gumilev.[275] Although the Khazar hypothesis never played any major role in anti-semitism,[276][277] and though the existence of a Jewish kingdom north of the Caucasus had formerly long been denied by Christian religious commentators,[278] it came to be exploited by the White supremacist Christian movement [279] and even by terrorist esoteric cults like Aum Shinrikyō.[280] According to Jewish Law ( Shulchan Aruch, by Yosef Caro, a Sephardic Jew), The Khazarians converting does not delegitimize them as Jews, because conversion is allowed. Therefore, descendants of Khazar are fully Jewish.”

    But all of this begs the question of what the “YET” means at the end of his quote above; “Nothing Hebrew but the Jews in Israel are not Hebrews….YET”.

    Could tg and others of his group that are like-minded believe that they, with their KJV only scripture, and their Jesus name only, along with their anti- Jewish bias for those currently in Israel, equate to them being the true Jews YET to come? I tend to believe that is exactly what he is saying. We will probably never get a definitive answer on any of this, but it does explain a lot.

    There is one more issue concerning his Sananda Immanuel distraction. This one is extremely dangerous, but not for the reasons you might think. I will reply to this in another post.

    Shalom

    • Well written

    • true. sometimes the posts are long, and I do not read all the way through…I was sick last weekend and Monday also.

      I have a KJV….but would have to see why others would not be ok

      I have been to Israel 3 times, and the jews there are really jewish.

      they are using the khzar argument to cancel statehood for ISrael….this is a ploy

      no one should insinuate that other commenters here are “liars”….. anyone can contact me offline to alert me to a problem

      cahn is not necessarily a false prophet..he is just selling his books on the obvious……when it is obvious, or already in the bible, then it is not really a new prophecy…it is an analysis of what is already there…..I do not agree with his shemitah judgments…because not every shemitah has one…there has only been a couple of times ( coincidence) that it applied

      • Your right Marianne. Anyone can choose who they listen to and then decide if they want to believe it or not based on any criteria they choose. But when that decision is based on the writers ethnicity and/or race it should not be tolerated. That has been my point through all of this. I apologize for any disruption I might have caused on H/A, but it is my position that where racial or ethnic bias is the reason for condemnation, especially in an open forum like this, that platform should not be given a place at the table, if you will. But that is my thinking and I acted on it, right or wrong. I appreciate your patience.

        Shalom

        • al

          I think you know or sense my love for Israel and the jewish people….antisemitism is a big “no no” on my site, and can get someone blocked if they are vehement about it…if they are just ignorant , I try to counsel them

          • Marianne, the vatican created the Zionist movement ……documented and the Method and Ploy is being played right now.

            1897 – The founder of Zionism explained it a long time ago. Theodor Herzl, who started the Zionist movement in 1897, wrote in his diary:

            “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse this will assist in realization of our plans, I have an excellent idea, I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth, The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”.
            The Ashkenazi-Nazis are creating the impression that the world is full of anti-Semites. This brings pity to the Jews, frightens some of the honest Jews into either fleeing to Israel or working with the Zionists, and it justifies “hate crime” legislation to protect the poor, innocent Jews. The Zionists also create hundreds of organizations to defend us from the Nazis, thereby allowing Zionists to provide the solution to the problem that they created!

            • do you have a copy of this ‘diary’?
              i bet you don’t

              I do not believe that about Herzl.

              there are real jews in Israel and this is just propaganda you are spreading.

              and yes, it is a hate crime

          • I know Marianne. I wasn’t questioning any of that. I know your heart for Israel and the people. tg is a master at coming in under the radar. He won’t come out and say it openly, but he is skillful with his wording and bait and switch. I will given him that.

            • @Dan and AL. nope, no bait and switch. The Hebrew Jews are Gods’ chosen people and Jerusalem is the Holy City. The Jews there are Askenazi, or Khazars….who do you thing signs or confirms a Peace Covenant with the anti-christ yet to come. God will bless Israel once the Tribulations begins. The Anti-Christ will double cross the world head to Israel to take over the Holy City and that will be the Abomination of Desolation. BIG MISTAKE…..God will then protect Israel supernaturally and protect the remnant with the trumpet judgements. Then Jesus will fulfill the Davidic Covenant by taking the Throne in Jerusalem for 1,000 year…Jews and Gentiles together. No, Dan and Al I’m not under any radar. I’m right at you and I know you.

              • You think you have all the answers to everything. Yah is in charge here not you. Everything will work as he has planned from the beginning. Not from the middle or end as you would like, according to YOUR facts. No one cares who YOU believe is a Jew or not. What we do know is that the Jews in Israel are surrounded by enemies that want them destroyed and are dying for their homeland and what they believe. You on the other hand mock them and do your best to tear them down. I’m not interested in your calculated responses. You will find out in the end who is for you and WHO is against you! Your self conceit is going to your head. Do everyone a favor and give it a rest!!

                • I will not drop the subject The synagogue of Satan are those that claim to be jews and are NOT JEWS. You want me to give you the scriptures? I will give you tons of evidence on who the fake Jews are…..Synagogue of Satan named BY JESUS Himself. If you would provide the correct answers and use EVIDENCE and scriptures which you interestingly DO NOT…..I would not have to correct you. God is in control not yah…….The things that will happen is contained in the KJV Daniel, Isaiah, Matthew and Revelations will happen exactly as it says. YOU TEAR THEM DOWN By erroneous and false statements about KING JAMES to discredit the KJV……you have no facts to present but I can present documented facts because of research and the KJV itself is testimony. You and the others D and D have the conceit…How do you name the very trait you are exhibiting. Isn’t that something called conceit and being hypocritical?.

                  • I do not think anyone is discrediting the KJV…only argument is that other versions are comparable and have value.

                    the concern is WHO are you designating as the synagogue of satan?

                • @Al no, its you and the two D’s who think you have the answers with no statement of facts or links or research. I provide research and scripture you provide personal opinions. I don’t expect you to understand this statement but it seems that personal opinions are characteristic of someone who seems to have all the answers but no scholarly research to back it up.

                  • tg,

                    So it is scholars who have all the truth? I guess we need to rethink reading the gospels and pretty much most scripture, that is except Paul and Luke. The others were only fisherman who toiled with their hands and the sweat of their brow. Maybe you are right. We need more “intellectuals”, such as yourself to show us the way, who seems to have vast amounts of carnal knowledge.

                    Which would you rather have?

                    1. Much knowledge with little wisdom

                    2. Much wisdom with less knowledge

                    Knowledge without wisdom puffs up, brings tyranny and bias.

                    Wisdom through knowledge brings understanding and hope.

                    No thanks. I prefer #2

              • askenai jews are jews….so drop this subject

                no personal attacks either….

                and I mean this for everyone.

  52. @AL, nope, poorly written. You start off wrong. You wrote: ““James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy”.

    From then all you write mostly fat and no meat. The dramatic entrance gave it a flavor of Drama, the false intention of having integrity but the expertise of being coached and then adding the anti-Semite flavor that Hertzle drummed by his training by Jesuits and secret societies. Islam, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and virtually every “Ism” was created by the Vatican since 1425 to date inclusive of the Muslim Brotherhood By Hassan al-Banna who was an Egyptian Freemason. HINT!!!

    To finish, its simple to destroy the above rhetoric and fluff with the following that some will see and others because they are blinded by an agenda or their association with some sort of organization, Blood oath or political agenda, doesn’t matter which….is this. If King James was Homo he would not have inserted in the Bible the anti-Homosexual scriptures…..as they did with ALL OTHER MODERN BIBLES as guided by two Freemasons named Westcott and Hort from 1870’s to 1890’s establishing the basis of every modern Bible on the market today as evidence abounds.

    Secondly, if KING JAMES was trying to make the KING JAMES BIBLE conform to the ecclesiology of the Church of England and blah blah blah…then the Church of England, the Jesuits and the Pope and Illuminati and Elmer Fudd….would not have tried to Kill King James and the translators…..or eliminated about 10 or so of the original translators or infiltrate the effort with two Jesuits who only succeeded in convincing the board to include the trash called the Apocrypha as a Historical reference in the middle. Then it was of course removed in 1885 as not being inspired by God therefore removed.

    The Gunpowder Plot

    The Gunpowder Plot of 1605, in earlier centuries often called the Gunpowder Treason Plot or the Jesuit Treason, was a failed assassination attempt against King James I of England and VI of Scotland by a group of provincial English Catholics led by Robert Catesby.

    In 1605, a group of disaffected Catholics plotted to assassinate King James I by blowing up the House of Lords. They hoped to restore Protestant England to Catholicism and end the persecution of their faith.

    The ‘Gunpowder Plot’ was foiled at the eleventh hour, an event still celebrated annually on 5 November and named for the most famous of the conspirators – Guy Fawkes Night. But who was Guy Fawkes and what are we remembering?

    Photo: Unattributed engraving of Guy Fawkes and fellow conspirators of the Gunpowder Plot, 1605 (Mary Evans Picture Library)

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/gunpowder_plot_of_1605.htm

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/the_gunpowder_plot

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2659154/Pope-Francis-says-split-Catholic-Church-CofE-scandal.html

    The true history of the ONLY TRUE WORD OF GOD is getting lost for now due to the evil influence of Satan upon his organizations, churches and false religions including a corrupted form of Christianity. Soon the falling away and the eventual downfall of mankind will be in full effect as the Tribulations approach. The communist agenda is to discredit the Bible as evidenced by their only plans…….documented.

    One prophesy missed, just one is a false prophet. Prophets of God who are real prophets miss no Prophesies and will match the Word of God. You cannot learn about the Abomination of Desolation which is mid trib for example unless you read Matthew, Revelation and Daniel. This proves that the KING JAMES BIBLE is one continuous book with no contradictions and its History proves out. Daniel didn’t know John of Patmos and John of Patmos didn’t have access to the Book of Daniel to make sure that it all matched with Daniel and Matthew. God inspired that one book to be produced.

    COMMUNIST GOALS Briefed to Congress January 10, 1963 [Reflects the plans contained in the Jesuit produced document at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad 1782 by Adam Weishaupt Jesuit priest called Protocols of The Learned Elders of zion]

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

    http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

    • tom

      the history of england is irrelevant here…and what communism does..they are separate topics. so is the vatican

      if other versions of bible support homosexuality, you need to point out the passages in each one.

      no antisemitism is allowed here…..

      • Marianne, No, its exactly relevant. The agenda is to discredit the KJV and the truth based on the agenda established on May 1, 1776 as documented, stated and confirmed in history.

        This is also not based on any ethnic division as Al is using as a smokescreen. Its based on discrediting the word of God by discrediting the one who only authorized it and had nothing to do with putting it together by the way. He only authorized it. He was a Godly man that false and poor research is mislabeling for whatever reason on purpose or just poor research techniques must be exposed. people are failing to view the research as too voluminous is part of the problem.

        • now you wish to discredit the KJV? ok what bible do you use?

          and can you prove what is wrong with the other versions?

          if not, discontinue this discussion… you are wasting people;s time

          • @Marianne, not me. I’m fighting for the KJV. AJ and the rest of the D’ crowd are trying to mislead and clearly ignoring my return points of contention towards their arguments. There is no addressing the points but there are FALSE accusations of Ethnic division or antisemitism which is a technique used by shills as I showed by The quotations. I also demonstrated that King James could not have been a homosexual and I demonstrated that by using history the same as they did that their premises and statements were false. Yet no on addressed the gunpowder plot, no one addressed the fact that the KJV specifically calls Homosexuality a sin…….it was not touched instead I’m accused of something or other or the history doesn’t apply when Al, and the rest of them are using History to make their points that in fact is false history. interesting.

            • D’ crowd?

            • my impression was that you thought king james was homosexual….

              try proving one point at a time, instead of multiple points, so there is no confusion.

              some of your remarks are antisemitic, even though you believe they aren’t….you are against the jews in israel, as if they are not real jews

      • Marianne,

        This discussion would never have happened if not for his preoccupation with the KJV as “the only true word of God”. There was never a desire to try and destroy the KJV, but rather to refute his absurd comments. We should do our homework, and as much as is possible, come to the truth of things, and that includes the King James version. That will never happen if “the only thing we look at is just the KJV”. It is tg who has made it (the KJV) larger and more correct than even the ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts. Basically, the epitome of all scripture, surpassing anything ever writtten. Give me a break!

    • Sell it to the ones who follow your destructive words. I have nothing to say to you that hasn’t already been said. Anything from this point on is fruitless! But much to your chagrin, I will pray for you. Even you deserve at least that.

      • Al you go against facts and trying to discredit Gods word…..that is not my burden.

        • if you are against other bibles,, of greek and hebrew origin, then explain what is wrong with them….I see nothing wrong..they are the original texts.

          • The Greek bibles did not contain the full word of God. The other versions are missing verses, words and not complete. I know you don’t like long posts…so I will spare you the long and detailed explanation I can give you for all the work done by Origen in the 3rd century and the 4th century on how HE corrupted the word. I can tell you how the KJV from Antioch to The Alps for hundreds of years the evolution of the English bible from Latin to English from Latin to the Latin Vulgate to the modern Bibles of today. All of the Except for the KJV comes from one source alone. That source is the CORRUPTED version of Origen to Eusebius in the 4th century. The King James is completely separate.

  53. http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/Synagogue.of.Satan/0740-1818.htm

    Tribe of Dan…..long story. Who then is God going to punish in Israel for confirming a peace covenant with The anti-christ and Judaism which is not of Jesus Christ…..Hebrew Jews will arise at the tune of 144,000 in mid tribulations and bring the remnant to Jesus.

    • thomas

      the bible does not point to the tribe of dan re peace covenant……it does not discuss this…this is an assumption.

      hebrew jews…askenazi jews are all the same before God…they worship him in sincerity

      this whole story about kazar jews is a fable anyhow

    • Dann

      Dan

  54. The Network of Global Secret Societies!!!👿
    http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-network-of-global-secret-societies.html

  55. The following is an article from a white supremacists group that basically says racial or ethnic purity is all that matters when defining who Israelites truly are. It basically says that Yah (God) is a racist and requires the same from us. How interesting. This is nothing but a cult, but explains a lot. The truth is this is not Yah’s plan. This is Yah’s way:

    Numbers 15:15

    The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the LORD:

    Numbers 15:16

    The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the foreigner residing among you.'”

    When a stranger joined themselves to Israel (with all that entailed) he could choose which tribe he chose to live with and would be even as the home born Israelite.

    Here is a link to the article should any care to read it:

    http://kinsmanredeemer.com/SupremacyScriptural.html

    Be advised it is not pleasant reading

  56. http://integrityministries.blogspot.com/2011/01/missing-and-incorrectly-translated_25.html

  57. Well, lets let GOD tell us and then you tell me who God is referring too if you dare? 🙂

    Revelation 3:9 King James Bible

    Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    In addition. The Greek and Hebrew is better and more accurate? Okay, the who may I ask is going to translate the Hebrew and Greek for the world to receive his Holy word?

    Two problems exist right off the Bat.

    1. Where does 7 Billion people learn both Greek and Hebrew to starting studying the word of God before they die? Or, is it possible that God saw to it that his word was Transcribed onto one Book in a UNIVERSAL language for all to study? Hard question Huh??

    2. Where does 7 billion People find the original greek and Hebrew when it doesn’t exist anymore? Thats an interesting question. Maybe we should depend on the UNBIASED Synagogue of Satan or even the Priest of the Catholic church to translate the Hebrew and Greek in the time they aren’t murdering people or starting wars.

    • who are you talking to?

    • It seem logical that for the english KJV to be correctly translated, the original Greek and hebrew have to be correct.

      no one is asking people to learn hebrew or greek, although there are many who do speak these languages, and are the best ones to translate the original documents to make references for others

      if you go to http://www.blueletterbible.org/

      you will see that the original language is there to compare to the english translation.

      • There is no one in any of the colleges that can be trusted. Literally because they are on a Marxist, Socialist and Humanist agenda.

        over 90% of all scholars in the USA in all the colleges are out to discredit the KJV and the Bibles as well as God due to their agenda’s.

        CORRUPTED EDUCATION:

        “Education is thus a most powerful ally of Humanism and every American Public School is a school of Humanism” Charles Francis Potter, 1930.

        “The Strides made by Marxism at American Universities in the last two decades [1960’s], are breathtaking, Every discipline has been effected by its [Marxist Socialism], preachment, and almost every faculty now counts among its members a resident Marxist Scholar” London, Herbert, Marxism Thriving on American Campuses’ The World and I. January 1987, Page 189.

        “The percentage of Marxist Faculty numbers can range from an estimated 90% in some Midwestern universities” Geyer, Georgia Ann, “Marxism Thriving on American Campuses, The Denver Post, August 29, 1989. page viii.

        “With a few notable exceptions, our most prestigious liberal arts colleges and universities have installed the entire radical [marxist and Humanist] menu at the enter of their humanities curriculum at both the undergraduate and the graduate levels” Kimball, Roger, “Tenured Radicals” Harper and Row, NY 1990, p viii.

        Humanism controls all colleges and universities and public schools where so called “scholars” are made and work to produce the books, doctrine and the humanist agenda is managed.

        http://www.christianparents.com/humanism.htm

        http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/indoctri.htm

        http://www.seekfind.net/HoraceMannJohnDeweyAndTheNEA.html#.VCQYThYYPOs

        THE EDUCATION S
        SYSTEM TOTALLY REDEFINES GOD….

        http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/john-dewey-redefines-god-for-humanists-and-atheist.html

    • akenazi jews did not exist in 33 AD so Rev 3:9 is not referring to them

      he is referring to the jews at the time, who rejected messiah

      • NO, the book of Revelation is a book of prophesy for events and references that is yet to happen. It was not jews of the time….it is the jews that are fake jews of today.

        Hebrew Jews, are hidden and won’t be revealed until the time has come and the time of the Gentiles has ended.

        • what you are saying is not backed up by scripture…that “hebrew jews” are somehow hidden, which means they do not practice judaism…..and that those that do practice judaism are not jews…

          your thinking is irrational

          jesus showed john things that ARE, and yet to come……you cannot arbitrarily assign whatever meaning you want because you don’t like akenazi jews

      • True

  58. Al,

    Amen.

    “Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen” (Hebrews 13:20-21, King James Bible).

    Blessings to you.
    Psalm 20

  59. 1. Ham was not black. Noah cursed Ham, not God. Ham went to Africa where the black people were.

  60. Here is a basic outline of Cain:
    Gen 3:3
    But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
    (H5060 – Euphemism = to lie with a woman)
    The tree of life was Christ/Jesus. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was satan. The serpent is the one talking to Eve.

    (Remember who satan is:
    Rev 12:9
    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    Rev 20:2
    And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,)

    Gen 3:7
    And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. (Their not in an apple orchard)

    Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

    This beguiled means = to seduce, to corrupt. Above = in a pregnant sense
    As in: 2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    This beguiled means = wholly seduced

    Gen 3:15
    And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Christ was nailed to the cross, and Christ will bruise satans head)
    The word ‘seed’ (H2233) is shown below (Concordance)
    seed, sowing, offspring
    a sowing
    seed
    semen virile
    offspring, descendants, posterity, children
    God is talking to satan about satan’s seed and Eve’s future seed (children).

    Gen 4:2
    And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

    The word ‘again’ (H3254) means to continue. Eve continued in labor, with Fraternal twins.
    Both Cain and Able came to the ‘age of accountablility’ at the same time. They both presented their sacrifices to God together. If they were a yr apart in age, Cain would be doing this sacrifice by himself.

    ( #7014 Cain; #7017 kenites = sons of Cain)

    Cain’s genealogy is in Gen 4.
    Adam’s genealogy is in Gen 5. Cain is NOT in Adam’s genealogy.

    Joshua 9:4-27 These Gibeanites (kenites) tricked Israel into thinking they came from far away (because they knew Israel would destroy them), but they were from just around the corner.
    Israel made a covenant with them without consulting God first. They had to honor the covenant.
    They were called ‘nethinim’ meaning ‘given to service’.

    Joshua 9:21 They were to be hewers of wood and drawers of water unto all the congregation, and the alter in the temple
    (where the Levitical Priests were ).

    1Ch 2:55
    And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
    These kenites/nethinim are already keeping the books for Judah!
    (1 Chron 2:3)

    Jer 24:1 The 2 Baskets of figs (Rev 2:9 & 3:9)
    The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.
    Jer 24:2
    One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.
    Jer 24:3
    Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.
    Jer 24:4
    Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    Jer 24:5
    Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.
    Jer 24:6
    For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.
    God said He will set them up as a nation again in Jerusalem. (1948)
    Jer 24:7
    And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.
    Jer 24:8
    And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue (residents) of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:
    These are your kenites! They are very evil!
    Jer 24:9
    And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
    There everywhere now.
    Jer 24:10
    And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.

    Ezr 8:15
    And I gathered them together to the river that runneth to Ahava; and there abode we in tents three days: and I viewed the people, and the priests, and found there none of the sons of Levi. (in the group Ezra had with him)
    Here, they’ve already worked their way into the Priesthood.
    Ezr 8:17
    And I sent them with commandment unto Iddo the chief at the place Casiphia, and I told them what they should say unto Iddo, and to his brethren the Nethinims, at the place Casiphia, that they should bring unto us ministers for the house of our God.
    Now their sending a kenite to go get a true Levitical Priest.

    Ezr 8:20
    Also of the Nethinims, whom David and the princes had appointed for the service of the Levites, two hundred and twenty Nethinims: all of them were expressed by name. (These nethinims are the original Gibeanites)
    Their all up in the Temple now. 220 of them. From Priests to helpers.

    Jer 35:1
    The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying
    Jer 35:2
    Go unto the house of the Rechabites, (referr to above 1 Chron 2:55) and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink.
    Jer 35:6
    But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever:
    Jer 35:7
    Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have any: but all your days ye shall dwell in tents; that ye may live many days in the land where ye be strangers.

    Remember what God told Cain after killing Able?
    Gen 4:10
    And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground.
    Gen 4:11
    And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;
    Gen 4:12
    When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
    They can never plant anything, or the plant will die, and they will always be a vagabond (used of a reed shaken in the wind, and always wondering about).
    Gen 4:14
    Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. (Parable of the tares, God said to leave them alone)

    Why do you think Jesus was ALWAYS coming down on the Saducees and Pharisees? Let’s take a look:

    Mat 13:24
    Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field;
    Mat 13:25
    But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
    Mat 13:26
    But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
    Mat 13:27
    So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
    Mat 13:28
    He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
    Mat 13:29
    But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
    Mat 13:30
    Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
    Here is Jesus giving the disciples the explanation of the parable:

    Mat 13:37
    He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
    Mat 13:38
    The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    Mat 13:39
    The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
    Mat 13:40
    As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    Jesus speaking to the Pharisees, scribes and Jews:
    Jhn 8:40
    But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
    Jhn 8:41
    Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
    Jhn 8:42
    Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
    Jhn 8:43
    Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
    Jhn 8:44
    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
    Who was the first murderer? Cain of course!

    Again, Jesus speaking to the Pharisees:
    Mat 12:34
    O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

    Jeuss speaking to the Pharisees and Saducees:
    Mat 23:27
    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
    Mat 23:28
    Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
    Mat 23:29
    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
    Mat 23:30
    And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
    Mat 23:31
    Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
    Mat 23:32
    Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
    Mat 23:33
    Ye serpents, ye generation (offspring) of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    A viper is a serpent

    What did John the Babtist say to them?
    Mat 3:7
    But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation (offsring) of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

    Now we have Christ showing the 7 churches and what they will be like . Out of the 7, there were only 2 that Christ had no problem with. Let’s see what they had in common that they taught. This would be a church you should want to learn from.

    The church of Smyrna:
    Rev 2:9
    I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
    The church of Philadelphia
    Rev 3:9
    Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    This is where this verse comes in:
    Mal 4:5
    Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
    Mal 4:6
    And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    Did you know there where 2 fathers? Jehovah and satan. Both have their own children.

    These have worked their way up and are controlling these areas:
    1. Economic
    2. Financial
    3. Political
    4. Religion – The one they really love to sink their claws into.
    5. Medical – Think of the serpent in their icon. ( one I added )
    They like to stay hidden out of sight while they unleash their evil and wickedness. Think about the groups who are running things today. (bilderbergs etc) Also the shadow government, elites, whatever you want to call them.

    1 John 2:22
    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    1 John 4:3
    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
    2 John 1:7
    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    From the Lexicon:
    The name antichrist was formed perhaps by John, the only writer in N.T. who uses it, (5 times): he employs it of the corrupt power and influence hostile to Christian interests, especially that which is at work in false teachers who have come from the bosom of the church and are engaged in disseminiating error.

    Who do you know who denies Christ Jesus came in the flesh? I’m not saying that all in the flock are bad, just the ones who influence their teachings. The rest are deceived. Who is it that is writing some of our bibles today? There’s some really bad (and evil) scholars that are out right changing the bible. Some that’s never even seen a manuscript, along with others who have, and do it deliberately.

    This is just a basic outline of this race of people. They are referred to all throughout God’s Word.

  61. My husband and I were just studying a little about where the sons of Noah ended up, and I came across your site. I found it to be very interesting. We are studying to gain more understanding about the nephilim, and are starting by sorting out exactly who went where first. Thanks for posting your information.

  62. There is of course the possibility that the deed was committed by Canaan himself, the grandson of Noah, as back then grandsons were counted as sons. He might have been a teenager then and all drank during the feast.
    If Canaan was or not a descendant of Cain from a second wife of Noah because his first one died or if he was the result of a fallen angel impregnating Noah’s wife at some point we don’t know. We do know Noah cursed his grandson Canan for a reason. We also know in rebellion Canan did not settle on the land Noah assigned to him, West Africa, but in land Noah assigned to Shem. In the book of Jubilees (I thing 8) even his father Ham chastised him for doing so. Later that same land was promised by Yahveh to Abraham and of course to Yacob/Israel. That remains the whole of the Promised Land and the enemy knows it so the battle for it continues till Moshiach Yeshua returns.
    Today is the actual day of Yom Teruah so many blessings to all!

  63. Book of Moroni is NOT a CREDIBLE SOURCE.

  64. All throughout the Bible GOD cursed someone and their skin turned white not Black. There’s nothing in scripture that I’ve found that would indicate having dark skin is a curse. Also Ham wasn’t cursed but Canaan. Most importantly we’ve been taught Black came from white which is false. Miriam in the wilderness turned white ;so did Moses’ s hand. Which says to me. The Israelites are people of color ;2 having dark skin is not now and was not then a curse. We can prove this today by standing out in the summer sun and see how dark and light dkin reacts differently. You’ll never find truth believing dark skin is a curse and that all dark people are from Ham.

  65. It is not black people that are the kenites you see today. It is those who call themselves Jews but lie! Who are those that Christ said He would make the synagogue of satan? These are the Zionists that follow the Talmud or traditions of the elders that the scribes and pharisees followed. They are the sons of the devil, the offspring of Cain who was the offspring of the serpent or that old devil lucifer. You can see this if you take it back to the Hebrew and Greek. It is not so far fetched if you believe the fallen angels could produce offspring through the daughters of Eve. That was their second attempt to corrupt the seedline Jesus Christ was supposed to come through, the first was Cain😉

  66. Amen and hallelujah! This was a great in depth write-up and very interesting, thanks!

  67. Good points you make Marianne: “The Book of Moses records that Noah “begat Shem of her who was the mother of Japheth, and when he was five hundred years old he begat Ham” (Moses 8:12).” This does accord with the Book of Jasher account in chapter 5 and furthermore explains Ham’s sinful disposition. He seems to have wanted to excerpt control by laying with his father’s wife as it was sometimes done in the ancient world (like is often done in the animal kingdom) to lay with the leaders’ wife to show leadership or control, same as Absalom did with King David’s 10 concubines on the palace roof top so all Israel could see it. That is what the Hebrew expression “to uncover the nakedness of a man” meant, to have relations with a man’s wife.

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