Fallen Angels – Lost Christians

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Author’s Note

Eons ago, many angels fell from heaven due to rebellion, and brought spiritual darkness to the earth. But this is about a different kind of “fallen angel”: the modern believer in Christ. For centuries, those that have earnestly turned to God for salvation, also seem to find themselves “lost” as well. How did this happen?

I pray that all God’s lost children find their way back home again.

Table of Contents

 

1. Why do angels fall?………………………………….1

2. The cycle of sin and deliverance…………..12

3. The Purpose of Biblical Tithing and

Some Modern day Traditions……………….16

4. The God of the Harvest…………………21

5. Actors on Stage………………………..30

6. The Jezbel Spirit and the Single

Woman………………………………….34

7. Rule of the Nicolaitans………………..40

8. What is true Christianity really like?……..45

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  1. God tells us to search the scriptures in order to prove or disprove doctrine that is taught. In the book of Acts we read,

    Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

    Again in Ephesians Paul writes,

    Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

    Whatever experiences or theories we may have that are seemingly supported by the belief that fallen angels or devil spirits can or have produced a progeny of giants in the book of Genesis, and we find that these are not supported by the Word of God, than we must seek answers elsewhere in order to resolve the problems or questions at hand. Let’s weigh the evidence and fasten the “belt of truth” which is an integral part of spiritual warfare and examine God’s Word regarding the Doctrine of Angels.

    The “Sons of God” in Genesis 6: Fallen Angels or Humans?

    The Scripture: Genesis 6:1-5 (KJV)

    And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil.

    There are some who believe that the “sons of God” in verse 2 are fallen angels who cohabitated with the daughters of men, thereby producing an offspring of “giants” or “Nephilim” that resulted in a human-divine progeny. Although the angelic position makes for a very interesting story, as we will see, the arguments posed in behalf of this view lack strong support and are founded on speculation, in contrast, identifying the sons of God as men is logically supported by Scripture and in all probability involved the people of God during this era of long ago.

    A premise of the fallen angelic view concerns those Scriptures in which angels are identified as “sons of God” on three occasions in the book of Job (1:6, 2:1 and 38:7). Many who hold this view propose that all Old Testament Scripture using this phrase is exclusively meant for angels and is therefore applied to the Genesis account.

    First, it should be noted that of the three verses in Job, chapter 38, verse 7 is the most convincing reference for identifying angels as “sons of God” because the occurrence is placed at the time of creation. However, the other two verses are not as clearly defined, but the probability that angels are indicated does exist within the text. On the other hand, these verses may also be a reference to the people of God as they presented themselves before the Lord, in which Satan, being among them, sought to test Job’s faith in God.

    Second, other bible accounts negate the idea that all references to son or sons of God point to angelic beings in the Old Testament.

    Other References to the Son or Sons of God in the OT

    The sons of God not only refer to the angels of God but also to the people of God.

    1. Adam is called a son of God in Luke 3:38 “Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”

    2. Israel was the chosen son of God in which God testifies, “Israel is my firstborn son” (Ex. 4:22, Jer. 31:9).

    3. In Deuteronomy chapter 32, verse 8, the Revised Standard Version reads, “according to the number of the sons of God” instead of “sons of Israel” as it is translated in the King James Version. The Revised Standard Version translation is supported by a Dead Sea Scroll text (New Bible Dict. p. 1133).

    4. God allocated sonship to those in covenant with Him, “you are the sons of the Lord your God” (Dt. 14:1).

    5. God also proclaims the personal sonship of David, “I will proclaim the decree . . . You are my son; today I have become your Father” (Ps. 2:7).

    6. In the prophecies of the book of Isaiah we read, “I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth” (Isa 43:6).

    In addition, The New Bible Dictionary explains that the son of God in Hebrew means “god” or “god-like” rather than “son of [the] God” or Yahweh. However, the argument that the sons of God is always a reference to angels biblically lacks support as shown in the examples above.

    “Giants” Half Human and Half Divine?

    The word giant or giants is used throughout Scripture to describe humanity and it is never used to describe a race of divine-human origin. The word giants or Nephilim are used in both Genesis, chapter 6, verse 4, and Numbers, chapter 13, verse 33.

    In Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary the word Nephilim is defined as properly meaning, “a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant” However, elsewhere we are told that the original meaning of this Hebrew word is unknown and seems to be used in reference to a group of people. The author also states that this term and all the other terms translated giant are not defined as having that actual meaning. I quote, “Since none of the terms translated ‘giants’ has that actual meaning, we cannot be sure the Nephilim were of unusual physical stature” (Baker’s Encyl. Vol 1, 861).

    In the book of Numbers, the Nephilim are the inhabitants of Canaan at the time of the Conquest, “And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak . . .”(Num. 13:33).

    There is a strong possibility that the Anakims were renowned warrior heroes of large stature, “. . . we were in our own sight as grasshoppers” (Num. 13:33).

    However, from another source the contrast between giants and grasshoppers is understood to be “a strong Orientalism, by which the treacherous spies gave an exaggerated report of the physical strength of the people of Canaan” (E-sword: Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown).

    Can Angels or Fallen Angels Propagate?

    Others suggest that some of the angels in the bible appear as men and could have very well possessed the ability to engage in sexual activity while in human form. However, Theissen notes that “the angels are described as a company or hosts and not as a race.” In Psalms we read, “Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts” (Ps.148: 2). The angels may have been called the sons of God in the book of Job, but nowhere in the bible do we read about the “sons of angels” (Lectures in Systematic Theology).”

    Angels are spirits (Heb. 1:14); Jesus responded to the question of marriage in heaven in the gospel of Luke, chapter 20, verses 34-36, with the following response,

    “And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.”

    Clearly, angels are not of this world and we may conclude that angels are spirits, sexless, and do not marry or bear children. Although angels appear in the likeness of human flesh, they are spirit and were not created with the ability to propagate that spirit in which they were created. Entertaining the idea of a divine-human progeny is not given to us in Scripture and again is left to a great deal of speculation.

    Secondly, the apostle Paul tells us that our bodies will be spiritual bodies, “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body” (1Co 15:44). As already seen in the Gospel of Luke, these bodies will not be given in marriage. We can safely assume that the form of an angel appearing as man is likewise.

    Thirdly, in order to validate the fallen angelic view, God’s law of propagation set forth in Genesis of bringing forth seed after its own kind becomes null and void. Therefore the half human and half divine argument is premature and becomes speculative because it contradicts the Word of God in several areas.

    In the words of Paul:

    1Co 15:38-40 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

    The Context of Genesis 6: 1-5 is about Humanity

    The whole context of this section of Scripture concerns humanity. The human race continued to multiply and the “sons of God” took whatever wives they chose from the daughters of humanity. This seems to be in line with the conditions of Noah’s time, wherein the gospel of Luke chapter 17: 26-27, state the following,

    “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.”

    Except for Noah and his family the human race was eventually destroyed by the flood because human hearts were thoroughly evil.

    The fact that there is absolutely no mention of any angels strongly supports the idea that the sons of God were certainly men. In addition, the usage of the term men represents humanity in four of five times used in this section. The Hebrew word adam or “ruddy”, that is, a human being (individuals, species, mankind, etc.,) with the exception of verse 5, where the offspring became “mighty men” or in Hebrew gibbor meaning “powerful, warrior, tyrant, giant” (Strong’s Heb. & Gk. Dict.).

    Life in general was lived according to the desires of the flesh without regard for the righteous ways of God. However, the emphasis on the “sons of God” is in all probability significantly tied to the godly lines that existed during this period of time.

    First, the book of Genesis is about God, His people and not about worldly rulers in general.

    Second, it has already been established that the term son or sons of God pertain to the people of God or angels in Scripture, and therefore reasonable in its application here.

    Third, although there is no way of knowing for certain, it may very well be that the sons of God held powerful positions and conducted business in a worldly versus godly sense, taking women as it pleased them and indicative of taking on the ways of the world. The offspring described as mighty men and warriors is supportive that this may very well be the case.

    Conclusion

    In light of the above, we discover that by assigning fallen angels as the sons of God in Genesis, chapter 6, we are fraught with unresolved problems. In establishing the fact that the Bible makes reference to angels as sons of God, we likewise recognize the same phrase is used to describe the people of God. We are unable to rectify a divine-human progeny with the Word of God. The descriptive term “giants” is alluded to man and primarily in a figurative sense of possessing extensive characteristics versus gigantic physical size. The only person having both one-hundred percent human as well as divine substance is the Lord Jesus Christ, and was accomplished only through the power and miracle of God.

    We read in the gospel of Luke, “And the angel answered and said unto her [Mary], The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Lu. 1:35). The Greek word for power is dunamis and is used in a literal sense, the word specifically refers to God’s miraculous power.

    From G1410; force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself): – ability, abundance, meaning, might, (worker of) miracle, power, strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work (Strong’s Gk. Dict.).

    Although angels have the capacity to appear in human form, according to the words of Jesus they cannot reproduce the spirit in which they were created, nor the soul life of humanity. The idea of fallen angels cohabiting with women contradicts God’s natural laws of propagation of bearing seed after its own kind. The entire context of this section of Genesis addresses the wickedness of man and not that of fallen angels, although their influence is understood. In view of the evidence, it is most likely that the sons of God were men, who through the lines of Seth and so forth were the people of God, who having power on the earth fashioned their lives according to the course of this world, rather than the righteous ways of God, except for Noah and his family.

    As presented, the fallen angelic view presents a weak argument and leads to questions in its application of the sons of God, giants of divine and human origin, the propagation of angels, God’s law of propagation, and the context of Genesis chapter 6, in which the wickedness of humanity is exposed. Contrarily, the “sons of God” identified as men is both logical and harmonious to Scripture.

    • Perhaps you should read the Book of Enoch.

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    • its wrong to arrive at doctrinal positions using anything paul stated seeing he taught contrary to the commandments of God.Hee very likely was the person jesus says in rev.2 was teaching his servants to eat meat sacrificed to idols was okay and had layed claim to apostleship.also there was some among Gods people who taught the doctrines of baalim , who we know did the same things to isreal causing God to destroy them.Paul is the only one in the socalled new testament that claimed we arent under the law any more because of the cross which is a lie.Believe the words of Jesus> he made peter an apostle and Paul said he was an apostle , through a vision ..if it was truly a vision from the God of abrham issiac and jacob < his doctrines would have magnified God s law as the true apostles did.he was indeed a lawless one..obedience to the law is still in effect… paul abrogated the law…. he is the one who started meeting with his converts on sunday … the true believers had always honoured the sabbath day , the fourth commandment yet paul comes along and declares v let no one judge you as pertaining to the sabbath..so those who were taught by him practiced those errors and Jesus the Lord of the covenant had to admonish them to overcome those errors and repent and return to him in order to enjoy eternal life with him in his kingdom or else they would be destroyed < its all very clear in rev 2 . check out what paul establishes as doctrine in his writings in romans ,,galations and cor.. there is a wealth of truth in the law of God that condemns the doctrines that paul advocated of which peter and james and jude and john refutes as well

      • Absolutely true..that is why most Christians will be beheaded..the UNWISE VIRGINS…left behind.

        One REPENTANT from You Tube.
        Found by searching for video: HOMELAND INTIMIDATION

        and SWINE NOT MEN

    • Robert normal sized humans do not produce a race of giant. There is plenty of archeological evidence of the existence of giants. You may want to read the books of Enoch, Jasher and Jubilees that are quoted in scripture. The whole reason for the flood was the giants. Also its the reason why Yahweh asked Israel to kill all the people animals and plants in some Canaanite towns; the fallen angel seed contamination with the human genome was that great. Those dinosaurs didn’t just happen and King David did fight Goliath.
      The seed of the fallen one and its minions ( the tares) have been at war with the seed of Adam since Genesis.

  2. sorry wrong post when i copied the above to send to bianca i posted it here

    what i really wanted to post was this link
    http://www.sw-mins.org/Spiritual%20Warfare%20Handbook_2008.htm

    the fallen angels are doomed and will suffer the same fate as satan in the end

  3. Hi Robert,

    Thank you for so much information to think about. Do you think devils could have possessed natural men and then mated with the women?

    Did you see the pdf file also?

    blessings
    marianne

    • Noone has been truly able to confirm or deny whether i’m a fallen or if my daughter Rhianna Powell is either. Humans have birth and birthdates too that has always the case. But in any case the Lord that spoke the words to create the universe knows all & sees all.

      • Dear Tracy

        Why do you think you are fallen and not human? Did something happen to you as a child?

        Try contacting this pastor in Ocala, and tell him Marianne Tioran referred you.
        Pastor John Childers. 352 – 629- 2107

        You need to see someone in person.

  4. Sorry Robert,

    The fallen angels that assumed human form did have offspring with human females by changing the DNA. The Nephlim, the son’s of G-d,(aka fallen angles), offspring, died in Noah’s flood.

    This is how we get evil spirits, and demons. Most of the fallen angels are locked up, but Lucifer and a few others were given respite until judgement day.

    Lucifer tried to destroy human DNA to prevent Christ from coming into the world. We now see the same thing happening with UFO abduction cases across the globe.

    A false second coming is planned by Lucifer. G-d will allow it to see hwho takes the mark of the beast.

    I will not be taking the mark, but G-d will deliver me from evil.

    In Christ’s name.

  5. Hi Leatherneck,

    As usual, your comments are concise and insightful. Thanks again.

    blessings
    marianne

  6. Marianne,

    You wrote the fallen angel book? Wow, that’s amazing. You must be very good at writing as well as literacy. You also understand a lot about Christianity and spirits. Have you ever wondered about what really happens in afterlife, I do so and I like these kind of things.

    • hi Rabbit

      Yes, I did write it. The stories come from knowing people who thought God did not love them, because mad things happened. Some things happened in the world, and some thing happened in bad churches.

      But they are still good as angels in God’s eyes.

      But God allows this, so we can see that only he is faithful to us, when people disappoint us. In the end, he will heal us of our wounds from life, and we will be better than before.

      love,
      marianne

  7. Hi Marianne,
    Didn’t the devil say [Gen.3:4.] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
    5. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
    …Is that the theory behind a continued existence after we take our last breath? Could you please tell me what happens at the RESURRECTION? I find it rather inconsistent with Biblical evidence that our “Spirit” lives on in an afterlife, all based on a [Luke 16]”Parable” of Lazarus that Jesus told to highlight the fact that after we have completed our life, we will later be rewarded for our deeds in heaven. When the REAL Lazarus died, Jesus said that he was just DEAD [“Asleep”]
    John 11:11. These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
    14. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
    17. Then when Jesus came, he found that he had [lain] in the grave four days already.
    21. Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
    22. But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give [it] thee.
    23. Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
    24. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
    …This plainly states that IF Jesus had not RAISED the REAL Lazarus, Lazarus would have to wait for the Resurrection at the LAST Day, which for US even TODAY, has not yet eventuated!
    If we take the parables of Jesus to be “The real thing”, then are we PLANTS? e.g. “Wheat and Tares” It is only a tangible likeness that we can associate with to give us an idea of what Jesus tried to teach us of unseen things in the future!
    I find it most disturbing to hear from professing Christians that they believe in non Christian doctrines of an afterlife of Hell, Purgatory, or Heaven …BEFORE the End-Time.
    The ONLY ones mentioned as going to Heaven, beside Jesus, are Enoch, Elijah and Moses! Enoch was”Taken” by God, Elijah went up in a fiery “Chariot”, but Moses was the only one mentioned as DYING, but on the Mountain, Moses appeared with Elijah, talking to Jesus about His Sacrifice on Calvary.
    Luke 9:30. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
    31. Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
    There are also the 24 “Elders” mentioned in Revelation, who Presumably were those RAISED when Jesus died.
    Matt.27:52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
    53. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
    …So these Resurrected had their graves open, BUT did not come out TILL Jesus was raised 3 days later!
    It is most illogical to GO to Heaven, only to have to return to this earth to be raised AGAIN on the Last Day!
    Beside those who Jesus raised, there were others who were brought back from the dead, by Elijah and Jesus’ disciples.

    • Hi Olaf,

      Concerning Elijah and Moses, I would like to point out here, these facts …
      Elijah … before being taken in ‘the chariot of Israel’ to the heavens, crossed the Jordan river.
      Moses bones were on the other side of the Jordan river and that is why Elijah crossed over, led by The Spirit of God.

      Have you ever wondered as to why ‘a chariot’?
      Could it not have been to carry both Moses and Elijah??
      And I am NOT saying that the ‘chariot of Israel’ appeared there to carry the ‘bones’
      of Moses … but rather the resurrected body of Moses.

      Olef, there are many holy things of God hidden in the Scriptures…
      And it is by The Spirit of God that the ‘Holy’ is
      REVEALED.

    • HI Olaf

      I am not really 100% sure about the resurrection of the dead and the relationship of the departed spirit to it.

      Paul said, “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord,” implying that once we die, our spirit passes out of our bodies and goes either to heaven or hell.

      When Jesus was here, all souls were in a holding chamber in hell, because they could not go to heaven until Jesus rose from the dead, and resurrected himself first. Maybe that is why the old testament saints were described as sleeping. Lazarus was sleeping also, since Jesus had not died and rose yet.

      Once Jesus rose, the holding chamber in hell was opened and Jesus brought all those there to heaven with him.

      At the 2nd resurrection of the dead, those in heaven reunite with their physical bodies, which change from a death state to a glorified state.

      • came across this…do you think that it is wise NOT to be cremated because of this “At the 2nd resurrection of the dead, those in heaven reunite with their physical bodies, which change from a death state to a glorified state.”

        Or does it matter…since G-D made us out of dust?

        • It should not matter. Think of those who are beheaded or burned at the stake for their faith. They will be whole (head included) at the resurrection.

  8. Hi Marianne,
    Thank you for your view, I do agree that Jesus was the “First fruits of those resurrected”, 1Cor.15:22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
    …notice “AT His coming”. Paul also said –
    1Cor.15:51. Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
    Notice that it mentioned “…AT the LAST trump”, pointing to the fact that those that are STILL alive [as opposed to those who were dead] will be “Changed” into incorruptible beings, just like THOSE who are at their RESURRECTION. It does NOT say that the resurrected were already “Changed”! It is AT the RESURRECTION, that both the living and the dead are changed into incorruptible beings.
    1 Thess:4:13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
    14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
    15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17. Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the
    …Notice that the RESURRECTED and those sill ALIVE will be caught up TOGETHER with them! …and NOT before.
    Now WHAT would be the purpose of “…them ALSO which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” if they are ALREADY in Heaven?
    The second mistake that many make is the purpose of the SECOND Resurrection. The 2nd Resurrection is the Resurrection of all the WICKED dead who are RAISED after the 1,000 years in heaven, and the SAME 1,000 years that the Devil is “Chained” here on earth with all the fallen Angels. The CHAINS are only figurative, as the Devil is a SPIRIT, so any Physical restraints would have no effect whatsoever.
    Rev.20:4 …and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
    6. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    …We see there are 2 Resurrections, and those who are classed as WICKED, will not only be raised at the SECOND Resurrection, but ALSO later DIE a SECOND time.
    Rev.20:12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.
    15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
    …Thus, “Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection: on such the SECOND death hath NO power”

    About Elijah, 2Kings 2:1. And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
    2. And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said [unto him, As] the LORD liveth, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel.
    4. And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, [As] the LORD liveth, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho.
    6. And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the LORD hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, [As] the LORD liveth, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on.
    8. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped [it] together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.
    9. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
    10. And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: [nevertheless], if thou see me [when I am] taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be [so].
    11. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
    12. And Elisha saw [it], and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
    …Unless it states elsewhere, I see no gathering of Moses’ bones to take with him.
    Jude 1:9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
    …This tells me that Moses’ BODY was raised, even BEFORE Jesus had paid the price of sin, for he was ALIVE with Elijah on the mount of transfiguration, – before Jesus went through His ordeal.

    • This seems too important to simply leave it at that.

      i wrote ‘ And I am NOT saying that the chariot of Israel appeared ….. to carry the bones of Moses … but rather the resurrected body of Moses.’

      Please note Elisha cried out ‘My father, my father’ …. Twice … Two

      Moses the patriarch and Elijah the patriarch;

      The Law and the Prophet.

      Why did Elisha rent his own clothes in TWO ??

      Think about it ….

      Mat 5:17
      Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

  9. Guys, you are yourselves deceived by a religion that has its roots in Paganism. Yes God did send Jesus to the children of Israel as he says himself but he did not ascribe divinity to himself; rather he said worship Your God who is one God. All the prophets and messengers came with that one message. His divinity was established by a bunch of wretched men who came together at the council of Nicaea (325AD) with no authority from God and mixed in the pagan rituals that were already taking place. And they forbade many books from the bible and allowed those that would suit their sinister purpose.

    Having a so called Son of God was not anything new and was certainly not practiced initially by the Christians. There are many pagan religions millenia before that stated about a God incarnate. God is too glorious to come in the form of a man nor give birth to a child as the word beget explicitly implies.

    God created Angels to carry out his commands as well as worship him and glorify him. Angels cannot rebel against God, they have no free will as we do. Now to say a bunch of them fell out of heaven in rebellion against God is truly blasphemous. Who’s to say some more did not fall down this century or in the past with all the temptations and technologies that would ‘lure’ them. Cant u see you are being lied to? Angels are noble creatures and are earnest to serve their lord and neither do they tire in doing so.

    And one more thing readers of this Post, the so called terror cells in the Unites States are a complete hoax. So is Al-Qaeda. These are but entities created by your own government to scare people away from the Truth and label Muslims as bad people. In the same way that 9/11 was an inside job if none of you have bothered to research about that. Create a problem, get a reaction from the people and give them a solution. Oldest trick in the book and people fall for it over and over.

    Cant u see its the Muslims being persecuted simply because they believe in ONE God and follow all the prophets and messengers that God sent? Just like the believers of old were persecuted because their belief in the ONE true God who shares no partner in his dominion.

    Don’t believe in the media guys and all the spew that comes out of it. They are experts at clothing Truth with falsehood and vice versa. Find out and research what Islam is about for YOURSELF..open a copy of the Quran and read it for urself; you owe that much to yourself. Otherwise you’ll end up the rest of the sheeple following what the leaders and great ones in society say even if they led you into a hole; then in that case you would be blameworthy. And on the day of Judgment you will answer to your lord who will question you.

    This site does have informative material as well and I will give credit where it is due.

    Peace!

    • hello Submission

      The concept of divinity is a matter of definition. In general, it refers to heavenly beings. There is only one God. In the bible he is called YHVH. You call him Allah.

      There is biblical evidence for a heavenly person who fits the description of Jesus.

      The points about Jesus are:

      1. he was in heaven before he came to earth. While he was there, he commanded the angels as a service to the Father God. He was commander of the hosts of angels, and Michael was a chief prince under him. If you look at daniel 10-12, you will see a heavenly person, but with human like qualities, called the son of man, talking with Daniel, and telling him the future. This “son of man” is also seen in the visions of Ezechiel and Joshua. Jesus was the “one like the son of man” who rescued the 3 hebrews from the furnace as well. Jesus did come to earth before, but he was more like a spirit then.

      2. In heaven there is a hierarchy, and God the Father is at the top of this. Jesus and the Holy spirit are under him, and then the angels are below them. Jesus has a special relationship to the Father God, and it is one of a spiritual son. This does not imply any marriages or physical relationship with a woman. Jesus is a spirit son of the Father God, because the Father God chooses to have Jesus in this kind of relationship with Him. Jesus later became “born of woman” but he was God’s son, before Mary had him. Mary was just used for the miracle birth of Jesus.

      3. As God is king, Jesus is the prince. The prince is not the king, and Jesus is not his Father. Jesus even says that the Father is his God. I am sorry that the paganized church caused 1700 years of confusion. They did not read the bible before they met, which explains all the mistakes.

      4. Because of the redemptive work that Jesus did on earth, the Father has awarded him much power, including that of intercessor for those who need help from God. When we pray, Jesus has told us to invoke his name, to draw on his influence with the Father, but he has also instructed us to pray directly to the Father, not him.

      5. Part of this power given to Jesus is of a divine nature. This is by the Father’s will, to empower him to do the work of the Father God. Jesus can read our thoughts, he can be present in multiple places at the same time. These are divine qualities, but it does not mean he has taken the place of the Father.

    • Wow, it is a good thing I read this moon god worshiping post. For a second there, I thought Islam was at war with the west. Now, I know it is a religion of peace.

      ROPMA!

  10. To Whom It May concern,

    This is Rev. Robert Wright, Editor for http://www.Christian.com which is a social network made specifically for Christians, by Christians, to directly fulfill Christian’s needs. Christian.com has many great features aside from the obvious like christian TV, prayer request or even find a church/receive advice and to offer the ENTIRE christian community an outlet to join together. We have emailed you because we have interest in collaborating with you and your blog to help us spread the good word. I look forward for your response regarding the matter,

    Thanks!

    God Bless

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  11. I always wonder why Satan sinned even He grew up in a sinless, pure place in Heaven.

  12. Fallen angels are NOT ‘lost Christians’, unless they are MADE to be so by fallen angels in rebellion against GOD!!!

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