Is it true or not?
Or if true, what is the correct definition?
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Predestination, in theology, is the doctrine that all events have been willed by God. John Calvin interpreted biblical predestination to mean that God willed eternal damnation for some people and salvation for others.
What do Presbyterians mean when they speak of predestination?
Calvin defines predestination as "God’s eternal decree, by which he compacted with himself what he willed to become of each [person]. For … eternal life is foreordained for some, eternal damnation for others."
So predestination is an act of God’s will through which God elects or chooses those whom God calls to faith and thus to eternal life, and through which God chooses those who will not receive faith.
Other theologians have seen in predestination only a positive calling to eternal life.
Still others have seen it as God’s foreknowledge of who would choose faith.
St Augustine (Catholic):
It was Augustine who gave the idea of predestination its classical shape. He focused on the idea that God chose from all eternity who would come into the kingdom of God, to replace the fallen angels, to fill up the ranks of the heavenly choir.
He stressed that since Adam’s fall, all humankind was under the curse of original sin and could not hope to have life with God after death without God’s saving action.
Augustine understood that the work of Christ was God’s choice to save elected sinners, in order to show God’s mercy — but God also chose to allow others to remain in their sins, unsaved, in order to show God’s justice. For Augustine the choice as to who would be predestined to eternal life was entirely in God’s will: Only those God had chosen from all eternity could turn away from their sins to God, because God would grant them grace. This idea — the very strong stress on predestination as being entirely the result of God’s will, God’s own choice–was very difficult for tradition to hold on to.
Augustine understood that the work of Christ was God’s choice to save elected sinners, in order to show God’s mercy — but God also chose to allow others to remain in their sins, unsaved, in order to show God’s justice.
For Augustine the choice as to who would be predestined to eternal life was entirely in God’s will: Only those God had chosen from all eternity could turn away from their sins to God, because God would grant them grace.
This idea — the very strong stress on predestination as being entirely the result of God’s will, God’s own choice–was very difficult for tradition to hold on to.
Within about a century a church council dealt with the controversy over the issue by retaining Augustine’s idea that God must first take the initiative to give grace to sinners so that they could turn to God, but it opposed the idea that God would determine those who were not saved.
Reaction to Augustine:
Through the Middle Ages there were a few strict Augustinians who held to Augustine’s view of predestination, but there were many theologians who redefined predestination.
Because the term was Biblical, they didn’t deny it, but they said God "chooses" the elect on the basis of God’s foreknowledge of how they will lead their lives.
Therefore, they held, the choice as to whether a person will be saved or not is no longer in God’s will, but it is in that person’s choice about God’s gift of grace — whether to accept it or reject it.
I think this is more than an academic, theological question.
To think that there have been billions of people living on earth, who have not been saved, this is a serious personal issue.
Is it their fault?
Were they just put on earth, as a divine joke, to wage evil on the earth, and make the saints suffer?
Were they doomed from their birth to suffer in an eternal hell?
Is it useless to preach the gospel to them?
Are our unsaved loved ones part of the predestined group that are not chosen?
Is it useless to pray for them?
If God knew they were going to hell to begin with, then why did He let them be born?
Doesn’t that show a lack of compassion, not just for the doomed, but for all those the doomed will afflict and hurt?
I know people who have prayed for loved ones that went to their death as atheists.
Prayer did not change them.
Was it meant that they go to hell?
The bible predicts that most in the tribulation will not repent.
So why were they born to begin with?
To make life hell for innocent people?
Is free will not really free?
Is our real will being set at birth?
Is our “free will” pre-set by our genetic makeup, our DNA, and now we are just slaves to bag of chemicals in our brains?
God is sovereign.
Does this also explain why, even among the “chosen,” that some are destined to suffer, and some enjoy blessings and joy?
What is the truth about predestination?
Does this passage only describe love for the pre-selected “CHOSEN?”
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8)
How does “predestination” fit with this passage?:
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
All I know is God loves me.
Maybe it is because I am chosen.
But I did not always feel this way.
I used to think I was nothing to God because he allowed me to suffer.
I did not feel chosen to be loved, but chosen to experience harm.
It was like He did not care.
But one day, after many years, a lifetime, He revealed Himself to me, and all I felt was joy.
I forgot all the pain in His presence.
With that experience in mind, I would say that we are ALL chosen, even those who have never been saved, or will never be saved.
We do have free will, and God lets us decide whether or not we ACCEPT our chosen status.
When we reject God’s choice for us, it breaks His heart.
Why he allows those to be born who do reject Him, I cannot explain.
Maybe someday we will all understand this “election” and “birth of those who reject God.”
Right now, I keep telling everyone that God loves them, and He wants them to choose Him back.
Please, to all those who are rejecting God and His Messiah Son, Yeshua (Jesus), I plead with you to consider this hell you are headed for, and repent.
Repentance is all that is between you and eternal life of joy.
Repentance, acceptance of, and faith in Jesus as God’s Son who died to pay for your sins, is all that is needed for salvation.
God is LOVE.
Choosing hell is rejecting LOVE.
While you still have time…..
Please CHOOSE Him back.
Choose LOVE, not hell.
God is waiting for you to say “yes.”
Please say “yes.”
Choose to be “chosen.”