Tribulation in Matthew and Revelation – 1


Tribulation is defined here as the first 6 seals.

After that (trumpets and vials) is the wrath of God, and believers are gone by then.

Many charts look like this:


But I believe it will be more like this:


Comparing Matthew 24 to the book of Revelation, chapter 6, and 2 Thessalonians, we see each is discussing the same events.



Final Note

While it is my hope that we all escape all these things, it is also my sense that we must be prepared to have our faith tested, and to be here for a dangerous time of tribulation.

How many of us fit this description?

This is the profile of one who has works to back up their faith, and is patient and faithful through testing by Satan.

The person is an over comer.

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things says he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that opens, and no man shuts; and shuts, and no man opens;

Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

What I call “sugar cookie Christians” – those nice, wonderful people who have had an easy, blessed life, with no problems, have a difficult time ahead, in my opinion.

They have not been tested yet, and found patient and faithful.

As sweet and innocent as they may be, I hope they will think about what might lie ahead of them.

Their innocence will be challenged.

My prayer is for ALL believers to fit into this Philadelphia Church profile, before the time of trouble begins.


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65 Responses to “Tribulation in Matthew and Revelation – 1”

  1. Well, here’s my 2 cents worth. I believe the first chart is correct. Why do I believe that? Because after Revelation 4:1 the church is not mentioned again until chapter 19. In addition, there are the unsaved who will be left behind at the rapture prior to the tribulation, BUT some WILL be saved during the tribulation. That’s why there are scriptures that talk about the Rapture, and others that describe the second coming. Two distinctly separate events. If I am wrong, then I will only be disappointed and not fearful, as I will still have as my final destination, HEAVEN.

  2. Here’s my two cents. I think the first four seals are the “false tribulation” and the fifth is the beginning of the final week. Therefore seals 1-4 are approximately seven years, some time during the last year or two of that time is the rapture. Then the fifth seal marks the beginning of the tribulation seven year period. My reasoning, matthew 24:6 “for the end is not yet” and then verse 9 “THEN they will deliver you up to tribulation”. I guess the question is what does Jesus mean by the “end is not yet”. Is it the end of the whole tribulation, or is it the “beginning of the end” so to speak?

    • Hi Dru2 and all,

      Is Dru2 the sequel, ha, ha! Or is this another poster? Anyway,
      If I may, the entire time period is established in Dan.9:27 as the seventieth ‘seven’ or that last seven period prophecied in Dan.9:24. At the completion of sixty-nine of the seventy ‘sevens’, the annointed One was cut off (Jesus Crucified). At that time, God left that last seven year period uncompleted and began to build His church, which is still on-going. Once the church has been completed we will be removed from the earth, then God will take up where He left off and finish that last seven year period bringing the prophecies of Dan.9:24-27 to their completion, which will also fulfill the prophecy of bringing all human government to an end as prophecied in Dan.2:36-45.

      The entire time frame is seven years in length, which is divided into two
      3 1/2 periods. This seven year period is initiated by that ruler, also called the beast, the man of lawlessness and the anitchrist who makes his covenent for “One seven.” The middle of the seven is marked by the setting up of that abomination of desolation.spoken of in Dan.9:27 and echoed by Jesus in Mt.24:15 which is set up in the holy place in the future temple at the original site of the Holy of Holies. Other events that take place in the middle of the seven are Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, which is also the third woe,
      the woman/Israel is cared for out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years which is the the desolation Jerusalem that will be caused by the abomination and is also the same time when the saints will be handed over to the beast leading up to the return of Jesus at the end of that 3 1/2 years. (Dan.7:25, 9:27;Rev.12:4,7-17;13:5-7)

      Furthermore, the time of God’s wrath begins with the opening of the first seal, which is represented by the white horse and its rider who is the beast who rides out as a conqueror bent on conquest. This is representative of him conquering the great tribulation saints and the entire world
      (Rev.13:7-8) and also as a counterfeit of the white horse that Jesus rides down from heaven in Rev.19:11-21, which ushers in the end of the age. I believe that the church will be gone before the 1st seal is opened. As I previously stated, I don’t believe that it is a coincidence that the word “Ekklesia” translated “Church(s)” is used from chapter 1 through 3 and then is never used again within the narrative. After that, beginning from Rev.5:8 on, the word “Hagios” translated “Saints” is used to identify a believer and not as belonging to the church. Some might argue that the word church and saint have been used interchangeably in other books within the new testament, which is definitely true, but in this case the words are separate. My point is, from chapter 1 through the last word of chapter 3 the word “Church” is used and you will not see the word “Saint.” At the same time, from chapter 5:8 on, you will only see the word “Saint” and will never see the word “Church, as they are never used together. The only reference that is made to the church after the end of chapter 3, is when we as the “Bride” are coming back to the earth with Jesus, following behind him riding on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean as seen in Rev.17:14,19:7-8,14.

      As I have said before, the announcement at the 6th seal (Rev.6:17) is an announcement that the wrath of God is here and also includes the wrath that had previously taken place with the opening of the seals, where the results of seals 1 – 4 will be a fourth of the earth’s population being killed by famine, plague and by the wild beasts of the earth. It is erroneous to exclude the seals from being part of God’s wrath just because the announcement is made at the opening of the 6th seal. To paraphase the announcement it might go like this:

      “For the great day of their wrath has previously begun and will continue.”

      The error is that those who read, “The great day of their wrath has come” take the word “Come” as to only pertain to everything that takes place after the announcement. Yet, the word “Come” is also incorporating everything that will have taken place prior to the announcement.

      Yours in Christ

      • hi dmcal

        The word saints does refer to the church in the New Testament quite a few times.

        I am not going to list them all.

        You can see the search list here:

        If God considers someone a saint, why torment him with the wicked?

        • Hi Marianne and all,

          Yes, I know that the word “Saints” appears in the New Testament, which is in fact what I said in the post. The word “Church” and “Saint” both are used interterchangebly throughout the NT. My point is that, you will not find this same senario in the book of Revelation. From chapter 1 through to the very last word of Chapter 3 you have “Only” the word “Church” used and you will not see the word “Saint” used in those chapters. Likewise, from chapter 5:8 on, you will only see the word “Saint” and the word “Church” is absent and so they are separated in their use. A good observation would be to ask the question, why is the word ‘Church’ used from chapters 1 – 3 and then never used again when referring to believers during the events that take place during the seals, trumpets and bowls?
          I hope that this clarifies the point that I was trying to make.

          • The word church is used to identify specific assemblies of saints in specific locations.

            There were also churches, or assemblies, in Jerusalem, and Rome, but they were not addressed.

            Thomas had gone to India by then. his church was not addressed either.

            Matthew went to Ethiopia. Mark went to Egypt. What about their assemblies?

            Those 7 churches or assemblies, did not represent the entire christian world.

            For some reason, Christ singled them out to give specific messages to each of them.

            He did not indicate why he singled them out, but only that he had a message for them.

            Maybe they were the only ones who needed a message.

      • Don
        we changed our router as our old one died, and for some reason I could not use my old alias. It let me keep my gravatar though which was wierd.
        Regarding the topic, I am Just delving into the deception which will put the Ac into power, and how he will fool people into following him, Trying to tie it in with Muslim Prophecy etc. My beliefs are kind of in line with Marianne’s on this, but I think the rapture is pre-trib.

        btw. Forgive me if I offended you on my last comment to you. It was uncalled for after reading your response a second time. I was heading in the wrong direction at that time in my thinking and misunderstood your response.

        • Hi Dru and all,

          Sorry to hear about your equipment failure. I figured that “Dru2” was still you. No problem regarding the comment, we all get out of sorts at times, thanks be to God that He gives us the heart to go to him to confess and repent. Now regarding “The deception which will put the AC into power, and how he will fool people into following him,” please consider the following:

          “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with with the work of Satan desplayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing.” (2 Thes.2:9)

          “And he perform great and miralculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of these signs he was given power to do on behalf fo the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth.” (Rev.13:13-14)

          So, when this beast, the man of lawlessness begins to “Exhalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple proclaiming himself to be God,” to support his claim to the world and to give him credibility, that second beast who comes up out of the earth, also known as the false prophet, will be given power to perform miraculous signs and wonders. These signs, miracles and wonders are satanic counterfeits which will be performed specifically to deceive the inhabitants of the earth. (2 Thes.2:12)

          The beginning of the miraculous signs that this antichrist will perform, will be that he will suffer some type of fatal head wound, that is, to the inhabitants of the earth it will be something that is unrecoverable from, that is, something that is unsurvivable and because of this, Scripture says:

          “The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.”

          Notice that the Scripture says: “One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.” That head that is mentioned, is synonymous with that eighth king spoken of in Rev.17:11 who is that beast that comes up out of the Abyss. He is the that head of the dragon that receives the fatal wound, which seems to be a mock resurrection and is for the purpose of deception.

          In any case, it is this fatal head wound and the other counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders that the beast and the false prophet perform which is a big part of how he comes into power and manages to get all the inhabitants of the earth to worship him, that is, all those whose names that will have not been written in the book of life before the world began.

          Now as a side note, since I believe that this false prophet is going to be one of the future popes and given that he is the one that will be performing the these miracles, signs and wonders, what kind of affect do you think this will have on all of those devoted to Roman Catholicism? This will put all of those people who follow the pope as their religious leader of Roman Catholicism in the beasts back pocket so to speak. After all, he will be performing these to give credibilty to the beast and since the false prophet is the leader of the biggest false religious system to be proclaiming to be of Christ, this will also drawn in all of the religious splinter groups, such as Jehavah’s witness, Mormonism, christian science and whatever other sects are out there and why? Because of the miraculous signs and wonders that he will be performing. It will be like a moths to a flame, if I can use that annology.

          Besides all of the other obvious reasons why Roman Catholicism is no way to be considered as the Church of Christ, one would have to ask the question as to why Roman Catholicism, who claims to be the true church, would have a 13th century obelisk which was brought in from Hiropolis Egypt by Caligula, that was used for Phallus and sun worship standing within the church grounds. This would be detestable to a true believer in Christ. She has been aptly named by God,

          Babylon the Great
          The Mother of Prostitutes
          and of the Abominations of the Earth

          • Don
            I agree with what you said above directed to me. Most of this is “accepted” by most people in most churches. What concerns me more is that the deception will involve a “mock” tribulation set of events that follows the “accepted” pattern of events, Only who would be Jesus in this interpretation is really the Ac. So when this person appears to defeat the armies attacking Israel in what appears to be a Gog/Magog battle, many will go over to serve him.

            If you are aware of the old expression, “if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.” What I am saying is that perhaps observation A and B does not C make. Perhaps the only thing that will allow for discernment is the Holy Spirit of the identity of the Ac. Not Logic and reason. So complete will his deception be Until he reveals himself when he commits the A of D.

            As for the Church/saint question in revalation, you should know where I stand on that one. “saints” remain to be a testimony to the world. They are the “Elders” of the church.

            Now decide for yourself what is right here, because I had a thought the other day with regard to this, (I would call it a doubt) that what if I am wrong and what I am calling the false tribulation is the real thing, and what if the “elders” being left behind is the separation of the sheep and the goats? Then that doubt left quickly, when I realized how God has worked in my life via the Holy Spirit.

            This is why it is so important that we learn to be led by the Holy Spirit, not by our own understanding of these events. This is also why I believe the rapture is for the Children of the Faith. But those who “know Him who is from the Beginning” will go through the tribulation to be a “testimony” for the world. Once we are all killed, Satan is no longer restrained, because the HS will no longer be on earth. Hence the A of D.

            To all who might read this, If you are studying end time events, pray to God that the Spirit of Truth will lead you in your studies. And by all means, learn to walk with God and be sanctified by the HS. What I say here is hard to prove rationally, and for that matter biblically. As it was hard to discern for the Jewish people that the messiah must first be “cut off” before he could come as King.

            • Hello again Dru and all,

              First let me respond to what you said regarding, ” So when this person appears to defeat the armies attacking Israel in what appears to be a Gog/Magog battle, many will go over to serve him.”

              I do not believe that the beast will be an issue with deceiving them by defeating them in what appears to be the battle of Ezekiel 38-39 and the reason for this is that the Scripture makes it perfectly clear that it is God who defeats Gog and Magog and the hordes that are with them by his own, supernatural power. That is, no other nation is going to be responsible for Gog and Magog’s defeat. The Scripture states that “Every man’s sword will be against his brother” so that the world will know that it is God who is the one who defeats them on the mountains of Israel without any other nation’s intervention. For God says, “I will make myself known in the sight of many nations.” In other words, when this takes place there will be no other nations that are going to go to fight against Gog, Magog, Meshesh and all who are with them and this so that the world will know that it is God who is defeating them personally. Therefore, I strongly do not believe that the beast is going to go out to the mountains of Israel to defeat them as a way to get Israel’s allegiance.

              Secondly, I believe that this battle of Gog and Magog will take place just prior to the return of the Lord at the end of the age. The reason that I believe this is because Ezekiel 39:17-20 shares the same prophecy regarding the calling of all the birds to come and gather themselves to the “Lord’s table,” also called the “Supper of God” in Rev.19:17-18, where that angel standing in the sun gathers them together to eat the flesh of kings, generals, their armies, horses and all those who will be gathered there in the valley of Megiddo and therefore, Ibid that Ez.39:17-20 and Rev.19:17-18 are speaking about the same event.

              You said:
              “As for the Church/saint question in revalation, you should know where I stand on that one. “saints” remain to be a testimony to the world. They are the “Elders” of the church.”

              As I stated earlier, there is a reason why only the word “Church” is used in chapters 1 thur 3 with the word “Saints” missing. Likewise, there is a reason why from Rev.5:8 and on that only the word “Saints” is found and the word “Church” is missing. We cannot ignore this fact, as it is not a coincidence. Ibid, the reason that the Holy Spirit had John use the word “Hagios” translated “Saint” was to show the reader of Revelation that the church has been removed from the earth at the beginning of chapter 4, which is why we do not see the word “Church” which had been used over and over again throughout the first three chapters and then is mysteriously gone. For example, since the word “Church” was used exclusively in chapters 1 thru 3, why didn’t the Holy Spirit have John use the same word when writing Rev.5:8 in the following manner?

              “He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the churches.”


              “He was given power to make war against the churches and to conquer them.”


              “This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the churches.” (Also in Rev.14:12)

              The point is, why is only the word “Church” used through chapters 1 thru 3 and then afterwards only the word “Saint” is used. Again I say, this is not coincidence. These are Godly clues for us!

              You said:
              “Now decide for yourself what is right here, because I had a thought the other day with regard to this, (I would call it a doubt) that what if I am wrong and what I am calling the false tribulation is the real thing, and what if the “elders” being left behind is the separation of the sheep and the goats? Then that doubt left quickly, when I realized how God has worked in my life via the Holy Spirit.”

              I do not believe that here is a false tribulation, as there is nothing in scripture that would elude to a false tribulation. The book of Revelation itself was dived up into three sections when John was told to write the following:

              1). Write what you have seen
              2). What is now
              3). And what will take place later

              What John had “seen” consisted of everything that had taken place from Rev.1;1-18. What is “Now” is represented by the letters to the seven churches, which ibid, represents the seven literal churches of that time, which also represents types of churches and individual believers throughout the entire church period, which we are still in, that is, we are still in the “Now” part of what John was told to write. The “What will take place later” section is identified in Rev.4:1, where the voice that sounds like a trumpet says,

              “Come up here and I will show you what must take place after this.”

              Ibid that we are still in the “What is Now” section, that is, the church period and we will continue to be in the “Now” until the Lord returns from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet call of God where the dead in Christ will rise first, then we which are still alive will be changed and caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Once this resurrection and catching away takes place, then the world will move into the “What must take place later” section, which is from Revelation chapter 4 onward. Therefore, from chapter 4 on are still future events and the first seal has yet to be opened.

              To get back to what you wrote, there is currently the church period and common trial and tribulation, then once the church is gone, then the wrath of God with tribulation from the beast running parallel with God’s seals, trumpets and bowls. No slicing and dicing of tribulation vs wrath, but the seals, trumpets and bowls are all under the banner of the wrath of God and that because Jesus the Lamb and is the one opening them and therefore he is the one initiating them. He’s is responsible for the unleashing of the seals, trumpets and bowls and the campaign of the antichrist is also apart of God’s design. So there is no spliting up tribulation vs wrath to support the idea of the church being here during any of the seals, trumpets or bowls. We currently go through common trials and tribulation as believers, but ibid that we will be gone before that first seal is even opened.

              You said:
              “Once we are killed, then Satan is no longer restrained because the Holy Spirit will no longer be on the earth.”

              All I have to say to that is, your claim above pretty much voids out Pauls advice for us to be comforted in 1 Thes.4:18 and 5:11 regarding his description of the resurrection and catching away, which is Jesus rescuing us from out of the world before the wrath starts. It would make no sense if we were all to be killed, for what comfort would there be in that regarding the resurrection and catching away. The comfort is that Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath by his appearing to gather us together to take us back to the Father’s house.

              He says, “While people are saying ‘Peace and safety,’ destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman and they will not escape. But you brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. First he says, “They shall not escape,” followed immediately by, “But you brothers,” which infers the exact opposite of not escaping. To paraphrase, “though they will not escape, you brothers will.”

              In regards to the Holy Spirit leading us, let us stop attempting to make it as though it were some surreal event. God gave all of us his Holy Spirit to dwell in us, to convict us, to examine ourselves and to apply his word to our lives. When we read his word, Scripture says that the Spirit brings these things back to our remembrance for teaching, training, correcting and rebuking in love. We don’t have to park our brains outside the door in regards to the word of God, as the Holy Spirit works within that knowledge and spiritual logic, bringing Godly information to our understanding.

              You said:
              “As it was hard to descern for the Jewish people that Messiah must first be cut off before he could come as king.”

              The reason that they did not recognize him was because of the prophecy against them:

              “He said, ‘Go and tell this people: ” ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving. Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.’ ”
              (Isaiah 6:8-10)

              This verse above is the reason why they did not receive him.

              Paul also speaks of this harding of Israel’s heart in the following Scripture:

              “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

              So you see, there is a purpose, God’s purpose, for Israel’s current and on-going unbelief. Once the church has been removed, then God will take up where he left off in dealing with the nation Israel with the sevenity sevens that were prophecied by the angel in Daniel 9:24-27, sixty nine of them being already fulfilled with one seven year period yet to be fulfilled. So, it was not just mishap that Israel didn’t recognize her Messiah, but a result of God’s prophecy against her and according to his design of what will take place later.

              I hope that you will take these things into consideration and that this sheds some light on these subjects.

              Yours in Christ

  3. Matthew7-13 speaks of the two ways…The narrow gate which of course is Jesus and is built on the rock…..And the broad gate that leads to destruction…The broad way is built on SAND….
    Both of these gates are gates to the god of Abraham……The narrow way leads to God… But the broad way leads to the impostor who claims he is the God of Abraham… God dubbed this broad way SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN precisely because Satan is claiming he is the god of Abraham and the same God of Jews and Christians…
    He exalts his throne above the stars of god(Christians and Jews) when he claims Ishmael’s blood line is the chosen line…
    Think about it…

    Satan claiming Ishmael is the chosen line is Satan’s counterfeit of Isaac the real chosen line…This makes Ishamel’s line pseudo Jews…
    Mohammad was a counterfeit of the real messiah Jesus…
    The Koran is a counterfeit of the Gospel of Christ…
    Allah is a counterfeit of the God of Abraham…
    Denial of Jesus being SON OF GOD makes all of the above Antichrist…
    Ishmael blood line is as the SAND of the sea shore…John stands on the SAND of the sea and sees the beast who claims he is god in Rev 13…
    Satan deceives and gathers the men who are numbered as the SAND OF THE SEA in Revelation 20-8..

    We are in the last hour…The hour of temptation….when Satan convinces much of the world that he is the God of Abraham.. He is doing it now… Have you not read of Chrislam churches where Christians are inviting Satan to come and dine and bring his own Koran dinner for Christians to ingest… This Koran will positively destroy them…
    FORGET TRANSLATION… Your help is needed here now…

    The synagogue of Satan has been exposed at last..
    When Satan claims he is Abraham’s God of the past.
    The world he has deceived and it’s falling fast..
    To the deceptive lie that Satan has cast…

    The lie that he is the God of Abraham of old..
    That he is the one the prophets foretold..
    He is gathering now those of his fold..
    The price you pay is the soul you have sold…

    He came as a man with a gospel in hand…
    And with sword and bloodshed sent it throughout the land…
    If ever a book should have been banned..
    Its the gospel of antichrist, Mohammed’s Koran…

    • Hi Ruth
      Great comment. what happens when the pope (false prophet) says the Christ figure of Muslim Prophecy is Jesus? How many will be deceived throughout the world? The thought is chilling. We are heading into the time of deception and apostacy as foretold in the Bible. After that tribulation and wrath. I believe when Satan was “thrown down to earth”, He founded Islam, appearing as an angel of light to mohammad.

  4. I guess I’ll just throw a wrench into the works here.
    First of all, much of the Olivet prophecy in Mat 24 refers to the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in 70AD. It is fulfilled prophecy. As are the 70 weeks of Daniel. The last 7 years have been incorrectly postponed as the coming tribulation. The covenant with many and the ceasing of the daily sacrifice refer to Jesus and not a future antichrist.
    As for the Rapture, there is no indication that it will happen any time before Christ’s return. If it were true, the bible would have made it perfectly clear and there would be no guessing as to when it will occur. In fact, until J.N.Darby came up with the idea in the early 1800‘s everyone believed that Daniel’s 70th week was fulfilled by Christ.
    The great tribulation (not the first one – the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD) will most likely be the 3-1/2 years before Christ’s return. This period will be signaled by the appearance of the two witnesses in Jerusalem. This will most likely happen on April 11, 2028 (Passover).
    As for the opening of the seals, they may occur at any time. I expect the first seal to be opened upon the death of pope Benedict XVI and the entrance of the false prophet. The “beast” is already here and has been for some time. It is not the so-called antichrist, as there is no such person. All references to an antichrist actually refer to the false prophet – the next pope. The beast (kingdom) is the Vatican and the woman (church) who rides this beast is the Roman Catholic Church. Look for a future unification of the Vatican and the European Union. This will be the restored Holy Roman Empire – the eighth “king” of Revelation. It won’t last long so it should probably happen during the last 3-1/2 years.
    So if you aren’t whisked away to heaven by the time the next pope takes office, get ready for the tribulation. Don’t worry, it will just be a little nuclear world war 3 followed by nuclear winter which will include famine and a whole host of diseases from rotting bodies. Christians weren’t protected from the first two world wars and the next one will be no exception.
    We will all be tested for our faith, just as God’s people have been throughout the bible. We will be expected to be “Philadelphian” and those who are not will suffer the 7 last plagues. Christ will separate the wheat from the tares before He takes His bride – the true church. He will strip Babylon (pagan practices and holidays) from all of Christianity and His commandments will be obeyed after He takes over the earthly governments. And those who do not do so already will be the foolish virgins and will not be invited to the wedding.
    The test is simple. Keep the commandments. The Book of Revelation makes this clear:

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    The modern day remnant of the true church (woman) keep the commandments of God. They are the church of Philadelphia. Find this church and you will get thru the tribulation just fine. You will meet Christ in the clouds when He returns. He will not take you to heaven – he will have just gotten back from there and will be things to do, like fight the battle of Armageddon and stuff. By that time we will have incorruptible bodies and we won’t need to be whisked away to safety. We meet Jesus as He returns as a courtesy. It is how ancient kings were greeted when they returned to their home towns. There is no reason to read heaven into it.

    I hope I’ve given y’all something to think about. Way more than two cents worth anyway.

    Keep the change…

    • James,

      Allow me to Trump your wrench with a Hammer.

      First of all in respects to your earthly historical claims regarding N.J Darby and your claim that you state as fact.

      Historically speaking, the first recorded documentation regarding the idea of a rapture, was recorded by Francisco Ribera of Salamanca (1537-1591) in 1585. (Though that does not mean that the possible theory of a rapture itself, wasn’t previously understood by any of the apostles, or that of the early first century church. But it does mean that you were only off by Oh, say a good 200 plus years.) Francisco Ribera was one of three Jesuit Priests that Pope Leo X authorized to reinterpret Daniel’s 70 weeks of prophecy; the Book of Revelation; and Ezekiel. The other two were, Luis de Alcazar (1554-1621) of Seville, and Roberto Cardinal Bellarmine (1542-1621) of Montepulciano.

      Francisco Ribera himself believed in the doctrine of futurism, or the rapture, where both Luis de Alcazar and Roberto Bellarmine were preterits. (Preterits or preterism is the belief that the Scriptural prophecies of the Book of Revelation have already been fulfilled.)

      Ribera’s published work was called “In Sacram Beati Ionnis Apostoli & Evangelistate Apocoalypsin Commentari” (Lugduni 1593). The original commentary is kept in the Bodleian Library in Oxford England, and is also available to read in its entirety on the internet as well. (an excerpt from my book.)

      So in my opinion, if you have difficulty with simple historical facts, it is no wonder then that the rest of what you say above appears to me to be simply bizarre? That again is just my opinion though.

      Thanks for the change 🙂 .

    • Hi James, Alienate and all,

      James, you claim that the 70 weeks of Daniel have been fulfilled, but I find that very difficult to believe and here is the reason why:

      “Seventy “sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put and end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to annoint the Most Holy.” (Dan.9:24)

      Though wickedness has been atoned for, transgressions have not been finished, sin has not been brought to an end, everlasting righteousness has not been brought in and I’m pretty positive that visions and prophecy have not all been fulfilled. That right there would kill any idea that the 70 ‘sevens have already been fulfilled. Has anyone seen the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39?

      Furthermore, part of the prophecy regarding those 70 seven year periods, specifically the last seven years, envolve the beast and the false prophet, the setting up of the abomination during the middle of the seven and the return of Christ at the end of the seven where at which time the beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire. So you see, the prophecies regarding the beast and the false prophet are directly linked to the return of Christ to usher in the end of the age and seeing that none of this has taken place, I would venture a still future fulfillment.

  5. Here’s my halfpenny! All of this is interesting about how things are going to come about. I don’t think I have read anything on this blog about how the end will come, and any two of us agree on everything. There is so much information and the fact that many prophecies have multiple fulfillments, there seems to be a lot of wrenches and hammers thrown in the mix. I too have a scenerio that I believe might be the way all of this plays out, but all of that is based on my understanding of things. But this is what I know for sure, to know Yahshua intimately and then observe and do His commandments is the will of Yah. If we keep them (the commandments), they will keep us in this physical life on this earth and we will fulfill the commanment of love. You cannot keep the commandment of love and break the other commandments. It is virtually impossible. Remember what Yahshua said, “if you love me, keep my commandments”. Notice the word commandments is plural and not in the singular. Observing the commandments will lead you to love. Trying to please the Father without keeping the commandments, is actually the true definition of trying to earn your salvation. It takes work and labor to disregard and dismmiss the truth that Yah has given us from the beginning!!!!

  6. And here is my one little yen (Japanese money) worth of comments. First, although we are specifically commanded by God to keep His commandments, NO ONE CAN KEEP THEM. We mess up all the time. That’s why Jesus came and died for our sins. He took care of our sin problem. Does that mean we can do whatever we want to do? NO. All we can do is try to be more like Jesus the best we can. Wherever we fail, He takes up the rest upon Himself, otherwise, NO ONE could ever get to Heaven. It is by FAITH we are saved and not of works, lest any man should boast. And I still maintain that the bride of Christ (the Church) will NOT go through the tribulation. There are many scriptures too numerous to list that show there are two distinct and separate events yet to take place. The first is the Rapture in which we will be gathered unto Him in the clouds.
    (1 Thessalonians 4:15) There are more, as I said, and then the second event is his actual return to the earth at the end of the Tribulation to fight with His saints the antichrist and his army. (Revelation 19:11-21) Many other scriptures as well. If I am wrong, so be it. It just my own opinion and we all know about opinions.

    • hi JRA

      I like your currency…first pennies, then yen

      Much of this depends on our definition of “tribulation.” and when that happens.

      The church has already suffered through antichrist spirits, wars, famines, plagues, and marytyrdom, and it is still here.

      Look at the world wars, the bubonic plague, and AIDS, poverty and famine in many countries now, and Islam killing christians.

      My personal definition of the “Great” Tribulation starts at the first trumpet, and then I agree with you that we all all gone by then.

      that is my penny. 🙂

    • Hey JRA,

      This is something I wrote to Dru awhile back that speaks along the same line of what you are talking against concerning the commandments:

      Hey Dru,

      Good to hear from you! The scenario you put forth could have a lot of different outcomes depending on who you are talking about.

      Mark 2:23-28
      King James Version (KJV)

      23And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.

      24And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?

      25And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?

      26How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?

      27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

      28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

      In the case of David, he was justified in doing what he did on the Sabbath. It is said of David that his ways were perfect before Yah, except in the case of Uriah the Hittite. Nothing else is mentioned. He was so highly thought of by Yah that Yahshua was called the Son of David. Read some of David’s Psalms and you will see it. What Yahshua said about the Sabbath, also goes for the Torah. We weren’t made to be under these things. They were given to help us in our journey here on this earth. The term, “curse of the law”, applies to those who are not born again and try and earn salvation through keeping the law. I will submit to you that what David did in the verse above, he did because of his relationship with Yah. I truly believe that a profane person, who despised the instructions of Yah and committed the same transgression, would have received the fullness of the appropriate penalty. But David understood that the Torah (keeping the Sabbath) was a blessing to him, not a penalty or “curse”. David in the flesh was extremely imperfect, but his attitude for the things of Yah was perfect and David was not held accountable (this is the true meaning of Grace, which by the way was present in the OT). Yah is looking for such in us. The church castigates things they have never really tried to understand, basically because we have been force fed just the opposite of what He desires of us in this earthly sojourn. We only have half of the equation. We understand basically what salvation is, but don’t have a clue about obedience in this earthly walk we are in. Try and see the picture of what Yah is doing in us. He plants His seed in us (the seed of the woman (the Word), if we are fertile ground, and makes us His. Then He makes us His workmanship (bearing fruit) if we are obedient. I know you don’t see or understand any of this. It is easy to tell by the disparaging way you talk about the commandments. This has always been about the remnant, not the multitudes. Honestly, if I acquiesced to your view of the instructions for life, being done away with, I would be missing one of the greatest blessings in my life. It is not about the letter of the law, as you can see in the scripture above, but it is about walking according to His Word and the approval of the Father. It is like I have said before, I have been where you are , but you have not seen or experienced what I have. It is not about rules and regulations, it is about pleasing the Father and endeavoring to walking the way He has told us to walk. You see it as being put under bondage, yet I see it as being liberated. After Jacob struggled with the Angel of Yah, he never walked the same again. So it is to be with us. Yahshua and Torah are one. That is why He is called the Word in the opening verses of John in the NT. Anyone who works to try and undo that is unwittingly working against Him!!!! I am not trying to be condescending here, just honest. Keeping the Torah, under the guidance of Ruach HaKodesh is of greatest benefit and will bear much fruit. My prayer is that the many who have been held back from seeing these things, will have there eyes opened in these last days, to receive the fullness that Yah has for us.

      Be Blessed In Mashiach

      • Al
        you should explain to JRA the questions that precipitated that response and the debate.
        I guess I get a “double” blessing from that response.!!

        It is the old debate of faith without works is what saves us, but what about the Law? For a time I saw Al as one of the ones pushing legalism. (an error on my part). Much of this error stemmed from my past negative experiences with the church and my own history of legalism and self righteousness from which the Lord delivered me. Like the alcoholic who becomes saved and is a staunch advocate against all consumption of alcohol. This response resolved my concern, as it deals with our “walk” with God, which is a little different for every person, but the Goal is still the same. Obedience to the law not out of mandate, but of desire. This is the sanctification process which is led by the Holy spirit, and empowered by God’s grace, It is the ongoing sojourn we take as Christians, till his kingdom comes.

        I still enjoy my bacon and ribs, and go to church on sunday, as I have not been led to observe these laws….yet, but the HS has been at work in my life. And the funny thing is, when the HS does the sweeping, not a crumb of desire for the things of this world is left.

        God bless

  7. The son of man is seen (returns) at the Sixth seal. Mat. 24. Does anyone disagree with that?

    • Hi Mick,

      Actually, the passage says nothing about Jesus returning, but only that the sky is rolled up like a scroll so that the inhabitants of the earth can see Him who is sitting on the the throne (God the Father), which is why they want the mountains and the rocks to fall on them in order to kill them so that they are hidden from his line of sight. Jesus doesn’t physically return to the earth until the end of the age to set up his millennial kingdom. As you can see, right after that takes place the 144,000 are sealed, followed by the 7th seal, the trumpets and the bowl judgments. Compare the event of the 6th seal where the announcemnet of wrath is being made with the event of Jesus returning to the earth to set up his kingdom in Rev.19:11-21. The 6th seal has all people, including kings, generals and their armies hiding in the caves and rocks from the face of God the Father who is sitting on the the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb and in Rev.19:11-21 we have the beast and the kings of the earth and all of their armies making war against Jesus, not hiding!

  8. Corinthians 15:50-52

    I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

    Or This.

  9. When the 6th seal is opened in Chapter 6:12, this seal begins the last half (3 1/2 years) of the Great Tribulation. Jesus does not return until Chapter 19:11-16 as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

  10. I love the parallel of the summer and the time of trouble. A beautiful line in Psalms is: may you hide us in the shadow of thy wings. In Malachi, the last of the book of Prophets in the Old Testament, he says: For-behold, the day/sun is coming, burning like an oven, and all the arrogant ones and evildoers will be straw and the coming day/sun will burn them, says YHWH of Hosts who will not leave them a root or a branch. And a sun of righteousness/charity will shine for you who fear my name, healing with her(the sun’s) wings/far-reaches.

    This popped out to me since I always read Tanach/Old Testament in Hebrew; היום is generally today/the day, but can also be a euphemism for the sun. You reminded me because you quoted Matthew’s testimony of Yeshua likening the end of days to the summer. Another great connection in Hebrew- צל is shade, and להציל is usually to save, but also to shade/shadow. So I would say that this goes to a motif/archetype level, and we should all keep an eye out for more places in scriptures where judgement is seen as a hot fire, and God’s salvation is likened to hiding us under the shadow of his wings. Wings/כנפים are often used to describe the ends of a robe, as in the commandment to put ציציות/fringes/feathers and the ends of your clothing/כנפי בגדיכם. You can imagine us as children grabbing our Father by the legs, and he in his mercy covers us from the burning sun.

    Also, while I’m on the Hebrew topic, what meaning is there in the phrase Jacob’s trouble? That’s a pretty good literal translation, but I think that crucible or Tribulation might portray the feeling better. Because time of trouble is עת צרה, though in other places it’s Jacob’s trouble, צר יעקוב, so the common word is צר/צרה which can mean trouble, narrow/tight, and enemy- though enemy is usually צורר, still with the same root. So a few expressions express this kind of feeling- between a rock and a hard place, I’m in a tight spot, and crucible/tribulation. Because when it’s so tough, your options become very narrow. You can’t choose anymore to stray from the path and come back and be forgiven during Jacob’s trouble. You’re walking in the valley of the shadow of death, and you gotta either go straight forward with multitudes coming against you, with utmost faith, or you’ll join the multitudes going in the other direction to Satan. Now let’s not think in such an extreme way meanwhile; God gave us these times of freedom to decide for ourselves what we want, and it’s OK to be a little to the left or right. But when the time demands for it, only the ones who chose during our freedom to walk on the path will make it through. There’s a Jewish Shabbath song that says ויוציאם מצרה לרוחה and he will take them out from sorrow/trouble to prevalence. Here we have the opposite of צרה/trouble, we have רוחה/a good situation/the opposite of trouble? And, you guessed it, where as trouble is narrow/tight, a good situation is also the word for spaciousness. And רוח/spirit(including the Holy Spirit)/wind is also the same root, maybe because wind blows the most in open places/mountain-tops.

    So, in short, the parables show us that we will know when troubled times (which have to do with narrowness, intensity, and likened to a burning sun) are on their way a little while before it happens, but with enough time to prepare for the coming time (fig leaves before summer) and we will be put into situations where we will have to choose between God and Satan, not between God and a video game, not between Satan and helping an old lady cross the street. And those who make it through the narrow crucible will prosper in the fall harvest of the Tree of Life.

    Have a good week everyone/שבוע טוב לך מריאן

    • oh, another thing that came to mind- when Israelites would plunder their enemies, before they could take possession of their items, they would have to purify them. The rule was to pass various metals through fire to purify them, and whatever didn’t pass through fire was passed through water (eg. clothes). God is going to purify the world, and the wicked will be passed through the fire (perish), while the righteous will repent and live a holy lifestyle, including מקוה/mikweh/baptism, literal immersion in water.

  11. Hi Marianne,
    In this year of 2011, I am very doubtful of the way a lot of Pentacostal Churches are preaching about the Last Days!
    I would suggest you read a book called “End Time Delusions”, by a Messiahanic Jew named Steve Wohlberg,
    It is a wake up call for all those who adhere to the writings of Tim LaHaye,Hal Lindsay,Grant Jeffery etc and The Left Behind books and movies.
    From about half way through the 19th Century, new teachings began to be spread throughout the Christian Churches that were not to be found in any of the Church Fathers Theological writings.In the 20th Century they were embraced to an even higher degree, and now today, the Churches are saturated with this very dubious teaching!
    It is a teaching I believe will be responsible for the falling away of many Christians, and also a growing coldness over the Church as well!
    Please read this book by Steve Wohlberg, and tell me what you think?
    Bless you heaps!

  12. Marianne, you are literally an answer to prayer. I am so very encouraged as I read your wisdom and knowledge concerning the last days. The voice in the wilderness continues to cry, ‘Mr 1:3 …. Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. ‘

  13. Glenn, well said about the dubious teachings of some. Each time I’m in a thrift store ( love thrift stores) and find a Left Behind series book snuggled in with the Bibles and Christian study materials, I descreetly remove them and place them where they belong…with the secular fiction books….lol. In the cover of each book in the series, the book is clearly described as ‘fiction.’ As my daughter read them, I reminded her to remember she was reading ‘fiction’ and not biblical truth.

  14. Hey Dru,

    Thanks for cleaning up my incomplete post to JRA. I appreciate it!!!!

    Be Blessed

  15. Don
    I will leave a response at the bottom….And You found it!
    Do you remember those bumper stickers?
    “6. Yet among the Mature, we do impart wisdom, though it is not the wisdom of this age or the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the Ages for our glory.” These two verses are referring to the crucifixion as indicated by verse 8-9, But why if Paul is writing these things after the crucifixion are these things still secret and hidden? unless there is more to this wisdom!

    10. These things God has revealed to us through the SPIRIT. For the spirit SEARCHES EVERYTHING, Even the DEPTHS of GOD. 11. For who knows a persons thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So ALSO NO ONE COMPREHENDS THE THOUGHTS OF GOD EXCEPT THE SPIRIT OF GOD. 12. Now we have not received the Spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, That we might UNDERSTAND the things freely given us by God. 13. And we Impart this in words NOT taught by HUMAN WISDOM, But TAUGHT BY THE SPIRIT, INTERPRETING SPIRITUAL TRUTHS TO THOSE WHO ARE SPIRITUAL. 14. The Natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, FOR THEY ARE FOLLY to him, and he is not ABLE to understand them because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.”

    Verse 16 concludes by saying “WE have the mind of Christ.”

    I have heard all the arguments you mentioned above to my comments (some from you in fact). What I said in those commments are not things that can be “discerned” by Human comprehention. But requires the Holy spirits intervention to see the truth in them. That was the theme of my comment, and this is what I was looking for you to respond to me on. If as theSpirit has revealed to me the great deception which will separate belief from unbelief, and

    • Sorry, Bouncing boxes are annoying!
      And it is not something which can be discerned apart from the revalation of the HS, therfore all the arguments I hear against it will not sway my understanding of it. In fact, it is hard for me to argue “for it” in human intelectual terms, as ultimately, it is a faith issue!

      Now do not get me wrong, I am not saying I am totally right on it, but the more I read God’s Word, the more my eyes are opened to it. And the more all the things in revalation make sense to me. In that respect, I am asking you personally if you have been guided in your studies in such a way? Where human understanding cannot fully comprehend the scope of the revalation apart from the Spirit. It is truly a blessing.

  16. James..Matthew 24 is about the end of the world and the return of Jesus…It is not about th year 70 ad..

    Matthew 24-3….And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

  17. Hi everyone,

    I don’t know what has changed, but for the last week when I receive my email when someone posts to this site, I can see all of the HTML instructions, which makes it very difficult to read. Is anyone else having this problem?

    • Don
      I am not having this problem….yet. This new format on this site does annoy me though, as it responds differently from day to day. Like the last comment I wrote to you had “bouncing boxes”. Other times I do not have this problem, but the bottom of my comment where I am typing just gets “hidden” totally. So now its sending things to your email? wouldn’t surprise me.

    • dmcal and dru

      That should not happen.

      I can notify WordPress that there is a glitch in the comments format.

  18. Druz…food for thought….related to:’ I am Just delving into the deception which will put the Ac into power, and how he will fool people into following him, ‘

    ‘Deception which will put the Antichrist into power’: Re 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    ‘How he will fool the people into following him’: (according to the following…God determines who receives the Mark of the Beast…it will only be those whom God has turned over to reprobate minds..thus, those ‘sealed’ unto Satan are as secure in their eternal damnation as those ‘sealed’ by God are secure in their eternal redemption )2th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Just sharing my twist on these things…lol.

    • IE
      The verses in Thessolonians is where this all started for me. As well as matthew 24:5.
      One question for you though, how is it that those who are sealed for satan, will be able to reject the mark of the beast and hence “return to life” (rev20:4)? Clearly, revalation 13:17 implies that “choice” is involved in accepting the mark. But what is it that motivates the opposite choice?

    • just a thought……a bit of a stretch?

      Imagine if the antichrist was an alien, or someone from a non-human race.

      Daniel states that he would have allegiance to a god of forces.

  19. Druz…

    2: Cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled’ STOP ….PROCEED WITH CAUTION…LOL.

    The last portion does not say that Satan accomplished anything ….just says he was loosed a little season. Yes, he came out and covered the breath of the earth ….yes, he encircled the camp of the saints and the beloved city….of course he wanted to destroy them. But nothing happened…except his own destruction. Look at what happened as he is running around like the pitiful powerless nothing that he is. :

    Re 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Rev. 20:4 does not chronologically follow verses 1-3 since they have to do with putting old Lucy out of commission before the starting of the Bride’s Thousand Year reign. Verse 4 only affirms what is happening to the martyred saints (Fifth Seal) at the same exact time Satan is bound for the thousand years then transferred to eternal destruction in the lake of fire.

    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    When Christ returns in the clouds at the Second Coming (Sixth Seal) all other dominions are done…forever.

  20. Marianne, you could be right…he could be non-human. But Satan is such a puny phony and copy cat that I fully suspect he will do it the way God did. Christ became flesh…fully man..yet fully God . I think Satan’s son, Antichrist, will be fully flesh while still fully Satan. I believe like Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of the Holy Trinity…that there is, too, an Unholy Trinity known as 666 (dust, earthy, clay, flesh, fallen, corruptible, mortal). God was the Word. Word was made flesh (Son). God/Word/Son returned and became Holy Spirit who couldn’t come until God/Word/Son went away. Yet all three are one…just different applications for different purposes. I believe 666 (fully flesh) is Satan who ‘becomes flesh’ as the Son (Antichrist) and that there is/will be, too, an Unholy Spirit who is less visible. Three persons of the Unholy Trinity are mentioned in the following:

    Re 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon (1), and out of the mouth of the beast(2), and out of the mouth of the false prophet (3).

    And I am sure that makes absolutely no sense…lol. It is so hard to express with words what is known in the heart and mind.

  21. Hi everyone,

    Here is an example of one of my emails of a new posting, that is, this is the type of email that I am receiving whenever I am alerted of a new post:

    Marianne commented on Tribulation in Matthew and Revelation. in response to a comment by Marianne:
    dmcal and dru That should not happen. I can notify WordPress that there is a glitch in the comments format.
    Wordpress has been notified. I will let you know when I hear back., or maybe it will be resolved, and it will be obivous. Reply See all comments in this post

    Express yourself. Start a blog.

    • That’s weird, when I pasted it from my email, it got rid of all the HTML instructions and pasted it normally. So, for some reason only when it comes to my mail application does it show up with all of the HTML code, which up to two weeks ago I never had a problem with.

      • dmcal

        I have not heard back from WordPress yet.

        try unsubscribing to the page.

        uncheck here below comment box:
        “Notify me of follow-up comments via email.”

        There should also be an option at the bottom of the email you get:

        “Change email frequency or cancel this subscription at Manage Subscriptions.”

        Under manage
        go to:

        see if that helps

        I would unsubscribe, wait and then re-subscribe in a few days.

  22. to all
    This article will help with regard to things mentioned.

    • I had this thought upon reading that article above. Large parts of the church have had to overcome persecution(think of churches in the middle east), and have their faith intact. We here in the US have faced “seduction”. Will our faith remain intact. The ones who have not compromised are the remnant church.

      • dru

        It would be of some comfort to think we all had been tested the same, to become the remnant. I have some difficulty seeing seduction as equivalent to persecution in level of testing.

        • Did you read the article? We will get our share of persecution do not worry about that. The question is will we act like whining “spoiled” children, or face it as the Apostles did? Will we be able to give up the things of this world that bring us so much comfort? This is a test as well.

          What happens when we (US) loses its AAA rating, Possibly today!?

          • I read some of it. Just read more. Persecution is not something I look forward to. Mostly worried about unsaved loved ones, so how strong will will their faith be if they get saved in time? Maybe they will lose their “last minute” salvation and end up with the enemy, betraying us.

            Those out of work will riot. Those terrorists being imported to the USA as refugees ( last HR bill passed), getting free healthcare, housing and food will riot, illegal immigrants will riot, since they may not get their free money. Those used to paying for everything won’t do anything about it, except submit and keep paying the bills.

  23. That is why I believe children of the faith will be raptured pre trib. I could be wrong on that, It just seems in character with God’s love and mercy. As for looking forward to persecution, It Says in the Bible we are to rejoice and leap for joy. I do not know how else to interpret that. To be chosen for this is an Honor we cannot comprehend as the “reward is Great”.

    As for riots, who is it that they are trying to pin the blame on? The conservatives (Tea party etc.) This is also how it will be in the churches. Those who hold to the faith will be blamed (accused) of hate speech, inciting riots, etc. Look at the guy in Norway. Another wacko with a false understanding of Christianity. That is the comment that i was looking for, as the person on your site was named “Anders”. Luckily they were not the same person! At any rate we will be told to compromise on our faith for the sake of “peace and security”. We are already making these choices now in the churches. How far will we Go, or will we take a stand and face persecution? Or do we take a stand and fight back, as the guy in Norway did? That is part of the error we will make if we are tied to the things of this world.
    That is why we should rejoice and look forward to persecution and not shy away from it.

  24. Anna,

    Not all elected officials are of Yisrael. Remember, not all who say they are Jews, are Jews! Some of the elected officials are called “the elected mob”. They do not represent the heart of the people or the nation of Yisrael. Tzion is Yah’s beloved and He will cleanse and restore it to it’s prominence as the center of the world. All nations will flow to it. The gentiles from the nations will bring the Jews back to Yisrael and will be kept as slaves in that day. Yisrael will be comprised of ethnic Jews and gentile proselytes (converts). All of those who are of the seed (the Word of Yah) will be of the Woman, Yisrael. At that time Yisrael will be comprised of ethnic Jews and gentile converts. Both equally Yisrael. Yisrael WILL NOT BE THE ALL GENTILE CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!

    Isaiah 14 1-2

    For HaShem will show mercy to Jacob. He will choose Ysrael again and grant them rest upon their land. The proselyte (foreign convert) will join them and be attached to the House of Jacob. The nations will take them and bring them to their place, and the House of Yisrael will possess them as slaves and maidservants upon the land of HaShem; they will be captors over their captors and they will rule over their oppressors.

    You need to understand that the land in question was given to Jacob (Yisrael) to be a possession forever, and so it shall be. Yah gave them title deed to the land. Arabs live peacefully with Israeli’s inside the border of Yisrael now. The Palestinian problem is a straw man to do nothing but bring hate and war to Yisrael. What you need to be concerned about is whether you will be of the House of Yisrael, or a slave to Yisrael. You choose, and Yah will cause it to be. If you have some fancy notion that “the Israel of God” is a bunch of swine eating gentiles, you might want to rethink that;

    Isaiah 66: 17

    Those who prepare and purify themselves to go to the gardens, going one after another to its midst, and those who eat the flesh of swine, the abominable creature, and the mouse will be consumed together – the word of HaShem.

    This chapter in Isaiah is speaking of the latter days, the days we are living in.

    I don’t mean to be harsh, but this world has seen way too much anti-semitism!!!!

  25. syalom.saya tidak perna lelah berkunjung di situs ini.ada hal yang saya katakan,setelah membaca materi-materi ini.Yaitu 7 meterai dibuka oleh Anak Domba(Wahyu 6:1-17).Meterai pertama adalah kuda putih palsu tidak sama dengan kuda putih dalam wahyu 19:11-16,meterai kedua adalah kuda merah perdamaian dunia dicabut maka perang dunia pertama terjadi,perang dunia kedua dan perang antara bangsa,kerajaan sebagai penggenapan nubuatan.Meterai ketiga adalah kuda hitam adalah kesusahan dan kelaparan terjadi dimana-mana.Meterai keempat kuda kuning hijau perang kebenaran dan kegelapan,disertai dengan berbagai penyakit dan kekacaun dunia menghasilkan korban 1/4 manusia akan mati.akhir dari meterai empat dibuka,akan masuk pada 3,5 tahun pertama nubuatan Daniel yaitu terjadi kegerakan besar diseluruh dunia(Yehezkiel 37:1-14)sungai air hidup akan mengalir memberi kehidupan(Yeheskiel 47).akhir dari 3,5 tahun pertama,meterai ke lima dibuka,masa aniaya dan berhentinya pemberitaan kebenaran terjadi kelaparan rohani(Amos 8:11-12)Metrai keenam keangkatan gereja penganten di awan-awan.Penganten Laki-Laki datang di langit dan memerintakan malaekat menjemput penganten perempuan(Matius 24:29-31) dan meterai ketujuh masuk pada 3,5 tahun kedua yaitu zaman kerajaan antikris.Di 3,5 tahun kerajaan antikris,israel diselamatkan dengan datangnya dua saksi ,Yerusalen telah diduduki oleh antikris selama 42 bulan atau 3,5 tahun(wahyu 11:2).Disaman kerajaan antikris tahun pertama,maka 6 sangkakala di tiup dan sangkakala ke 7 ditiup bersamaan dengan bokor murka yang ketujuh ditumpakan kebumi.tujuh Bokor murka ditumpakan diakhir 3,5 tahun kedua zaman kerajaan antikris.ini adalah vision tahun 1969 di makasar indonesia.Tuhan berkati saudaraku amin

    • Saya berharap terjemahan ini tidak buruk.

      i bersetuju kira-kira 3.5 tahun pertama dan 6 meterai. dan pengantin perempuan akan dikeluarkan pada meterai 6

      i mahu memahami 3.5 tahun kedua.

      anda mengatakan bahawa Dajjal akan datang pada tahun pertama ke Yerusalem.

      apa yang berlaku pada tahun kedua kerajaan?

      • Tuhan berkati anda banyak berkat disitus saudara.Pada tahun kedua zaman kerajaan antikris adalah masa jaya antikris tidak ada peniupan sangkakala dan murka yaitu tahunkedua dan tahun ketiga.Dan masuk setengah tahun terakhir kerajaan antikris 7 malapetaka ditumpahkan untuk antikris dan pengikutnya yaitu yang mempunyai tanda 666.Walaupun masa jaya antikris tetap ada peperangan dengan dua saksi yaitu Nabi Elia dan Musa bersama dengan malaekat gabriel membawa injil kekal(Wahyu 14:6)untuk mentobatkan orang israel dan orang kasir.Hal ini sama meniru pelayanan Tuhan Yesus pada 3,5 tahun yaitu tahun pertama mengumpul dan memberikan materi pada murid-murid dengan mujuzad,tetapi setelah tahun kedua dan ketiga kuasa luar biasa menyertai Tuhan Yesus dan murid-murid.Setelah setengah tahun terakhir persiapan ke Yerusalem dan masa-masa menuju pada salib.Tuhan berkati hal ini diungkapkan pada tahun 1969.

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