Mystery Babylon – when does she fall?



Will Mystery Babylon fall at any moment, or will it last Daniel’s final week?

Although it seems obvious that “she” is around before that, Babylon is not mentioned until Chapter 17 in Revelation.

Then she falls in Chapter 18.

The marriage supper of the Lamb follows in chapter 19.

Her fall is not associated with any of the (1) seals, (2) trumpets or (3) vials.

So, it must be that she falls before or after this sequence of events (1 – 3), or at an interval between one set of events and another.


Time associated Features

1. She has a history of harlotry with the kings of the earth, so she has been around for awhile. Rev 17:1

2. The Beast also has to exist first before she can ride it. Rev 17:7

3. She is drunk with the blood of the saints (Jews) and martyrs of Jesus (Christians). So she is around for their persecution. Rev 17:6

4. Saints are persecuted in Seal 5.

5. She is around as long as there is commerce is around, as the merchants lament her demise. People from around the world hear the news. So no breakdown of communication yet, as would be expected once the wrath (trumpets and vials) begin. Rev 18:11

6. The Beast lasts longer than she does. It hates her, destroys her, eats her flesh, and burns her with fire. So she does not make it to the end of the trumpets and vials. Rev 17:16

7. She outlasts the presence of the saints, because when she falls, there is nothing left but foul spirits, unclean and hated birds, and demons. Rev 18:2

8. There is still global order and governments when she falls, since she reigns over the kings of the earth. Rev 17:18.



From the above descriptions, it seems logical to conclude that Mystery Babylon prospers until its demise somewhat early on in the end time scenario.

However, it seems to be around to martyr the saints. (Seal 5)

If, and only if, the marriage supper of the Lamb follows the fall of Mystery Babylon, as Rev 18 follows Rev 17, then that is significant to timing as well.

So, when does the marriage supper happen? It is my belief that the supper happens after the rapture.

If so, Babylon falls before the rapture.

Am I right?

What do you think?


350 Responses to “Mystery Babylon – when does she fall?”

  1. This may not be the answer you may want, but I think Babylon is America. I think it falls during the rapture, which I think is happening now.

    • hi creative

      I know there are different opinions about who babylon is. one is america, as you noted.

      here I am looking at WHEN babylon falls, to see how much time there is left.

      also, depending on WHERE someone lives, they may be leaving sooner than later.

      • Indeed! I think we are now living in the time of judgement, and souls have been leaving this place. Babylon is all around, which is a state of mind, a way of thinking. I mentioned Babylon being America earlier, but America isn’t a place, but a mind-state in which i failed to mention earlier. The term America derives from the Babylonian word Amaraka, meaning land of serpents.

        • oh yuk, serpents.

          I had been taught that America was named after Amerigo Vespucci, transatlantic explorer.

          But that is a strange association, since Amaraka and America sound like the same word.

          • Amerigo Vespucci is a mis-direction. This is expected, since serpents work this way. There is plenty of information on the net saying that America was named after him, but it is also said that Columbus discovered America. I don’t trust these serpents, never did. 🙂

    • ITS not just babylon,ITS -MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT,and yes ITS america,the most powerful country to ever exist, and now to fall ,the LORD warned,you can’t have your cake and eat it too,everyone wants their neighbor to go by the TEN COMMANDMENTS,but they don’t want to have to be under his rules themselves,EITHER YOU FOLLOW THE LORDS RULES,or YOU get total kayous under satans rules,america has chosen satans rules,PUT ON YOUR SEATBELT,its going to get really crazy out there without the LORD running america now…………..the demoncrates threw him out of america and the church never said a thing and the lords hopping mad now,americas on its chosen path,and yes we do know where LUCIFER lives,WASHINGTON DC…..imagin that……………….

      • I don’t know who u r ,I just want you to know I am a worker of the Lord Jesus Christ, a servant if u will…
        I think your take is right on,or really close . What do you know about the roman catholic church?

        • I think it’s more of the Roman Catholic church myself. I used to wonder if it’s America, still wonder at times, but when had America ever been drunk on the blood of Jews and Christians? The Catholic church and romans killed many saints during the time when the church was pulling away from the Catholic church and they killed many before the Catholic church came into being, with the very early church taught by apostol Paul and the other desciples of Christ. Unless Revelations is talking about a time that hasn’t yet happened in this country. It could be in the future that America may murder many of us Christians, during the times of the antiChrist and the beast are in power over the whole world, also known as the tribulation period. It’s not a future event I look forward to.

      • I believe you are very close, but Mystery Babylon is a city. A great city that head much around the world. A city with deep ports and a woman (harlot) holding a great cup. A city on 7 mountains. Are you aware that the Statue of Liberty was originally intended for another purpose; it was constructed as a goddess of sexuality. When the deal fell through, the statue was modified into its present form and gifted to the US. Are you aware of the extent that Wall Street impacts the world? Are you aware that Mrs. Trump plans to stay on in NYC for a time and that Mr. Trump has been conducting much of the normal government business of D.C. In NYC. Are you aware that Trump’s immediate family are 7 in number? I believe the enemy from the North that will destroy Mystery Babylon in an hour is Russia and whatever may bring Great Babylon will make her (the great city–NYC) uninhabitable.

      • Hold on now. The republicans are no more moral than the liberals. Not one bit. That’s probably why the Bible never bothered to differentiate between Left-wing Babylonians & Right-wing Babylonians.

    • Correct NYC or wall street

    • The church will be here Babylon falls the beast burns her with fire that’s when tribulation starts in the church will be here through it just like in Egypt they went through the plagues the church was not be raptured there is no rapture

  2. On the surface…this sounds like “Great Britain!”

    Great Britain has often time been referred to as a “she”…Her Majesty’s Navy, etc.


    AND, it used the “heroin trade” to become the country that it is!

    AND, Britain is in Alliance with ALL the Muslim countries in this World…until recently…Islam is now “poised” to take it over as well!

  3. Once again, I am only seeking truth and not here to condemn anyone for what they know. I have done surface research on the history of the bible and am disturbed by the fact that the people who got to decide what books were allowed in the bible were the evil ones who did not want the people enlightened. How do we know we are on the right track or have been given all the signs to even pray effectively if there are parts missing. I know the Holy Spirit is here to guide and comfort us. I am not trying to search for some golden missing plates. I am just posing a question as to whether or not you think that part of the end time deception is “them” not letting us have access to the full scripture? I also believe the scriptures say something about what is done in the dark will be made manifest in the light. It is Luke 8:17 and varies of course because of translations this is a summation.

  4. Marianne,
    You said Babylon is not mentioned before revelation seventeen above, what about revelation 14:8?

    By this verse, the fall of Babylon is between the proclaiming the Gospel around the world and rejection thereof and the mark of the beast implementation. So I would say, by my theory, somewhere shortly before the seventh trumpet is when the fall occurs.

    As for the rapture, and marriage supper, they are synonomous, and occur right before the seventh trumpet. Do you remember when Joshua circled Jericho, They circled once a day for six days, but on the seventh day they circled seven times, and then blew the trumpet. This indicates that there is a delay or longer interval between the sixth and seventh trumpets, as is found in revelation, with the angel with the little scroll, and the two witnesses occuring in that interval.

    What this means is the revelation 17 account is going back to before the vials. Theoreticallly of course, At least the narative indicates this with regard to the three angels.

    • dru

      you are right about rev 14:8

      And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

      however, in v 6 the gospel is still being preached

      then v9 indicates the beast and his mark are present and are warned against

      v 12-13 indicates saints are dying for their faith

      so where does that put babylon’s demise in the end times.?

      • Marianne,
        I think that I theoretically answered your question above. The time of the seventh trumpet is a 7 year period, as with Joshua circling Jericho 7 times on the seventh day. The rapture, occurring at its onset, with the two witnesses preceding the seventh trumpet. I see the first Angel as the same as the Angel with the little scroll. The Messsage being broadcast to all the world is sweet, but the rejection thereof, and ensuing wrath is sickening.

        Just look at how the seals and the trumpets are described in revelation. Six seals in rapid succession, broken up by the 144k, and A great Multitude from all nations. Six trumpets in rapid succession, followed by the angel and the little scroll, and the two witnessses, before we have the “time of the seventh trumpet”.

        The question you should be asking is: Why does the fall of Babylon occur with the second Angel, yet the Mark of the beast is in the message of the third angel carries on after this destruction, and calls for perseverence of the saints? which you did in a way above. But this should throw a monkey wrench in the wheels of most theories on end times out there.

        I cannot emphasize this more, Noah was locked in an ark for seven days, and life outside went on as usual (eating drinking and marrying). Paul writes of a time of “peace and Safety” leading up to the day of Wrath. The Old testament prophets talk of “drinking the full measure of God’s wrath” for those condemned to die. This is done by denying the impending wrath to come. The people in Jericho I am sure were laughing at the israelites walking around their city with no siege weapons to knock down their security walls. Scoffers according to Peter will be saying “where is the promise of his comng” and “all things are continuing as they were from the beginning” (deism) The “King of the North” in Daniel 11 worships a God of fortresses, Secure places. The final seven years is marked by a covenent “peace treaty”. I could go on here, But the point I am making is that denying the coming wrath and trusting in our own preparedness is akin to Idolotry. The ONLY thing that will save is repentence which is repeatedly not found in the world, apart from the church, and Israel as found in Zechariah 12:10, when they realize “Him whom they have pierced”. Fear of the Lord was meant to lead to repentence. The Kindness of the Lord is meant to lead to repentence. Love, mercy and grace, are supposed to lead to repentence. In trials our security will be taken away, will we respond with repentence or shaking our fist at God.

        Don asked me where do I get the other seven years? This is it. revelation confirms this with the multiple events between the sixth and seventh seal and trumpet. A time for the wicked to drink the full measure of God’s wrath. To deny that a sovereign God is at work in this world. 7 is the number of completeness, “A full measure”. Consecration takes seven days. One “week” is left for Israel to accomplish the things described in Daniel 9:24-25, a time of consecration. The Last chance to repent is given, and few choose to do this, then we have peace and security and denial of God.

        God bless.

        • question is

          is the second angel the same angel with the second trumpet?

          • I am not sure how you make that connection…The Mountain falling destroys the city? explain more.

            • I got that connection from you, as I understood you. that the fall of babylon occurs at the second angel (trumpet). Was that what you were thinking? the mountain falls into the sea, however, not on a city.

              • No,

                I was referring to the message of the three angels of rev. 14, the second angel therein.
                And then the sixth and seventh trumpet. In between which Babylon falls.

                I am not 100% convinced, but I think I am on board with Accepted on the city which is destroyed is Jerusalem. But the whore of babylon is the catholic church, which is looking to move its HQ there, which would mean it would have to “ride the beast” to get there. As you know, there are plans underway to make this city a UN protectorate, which during appeasement, the temple mount will come up. Jerusalem will then be a religious hub for all three of the worlds monotheistic religions, All desiring a parcel on the holy mount. They will trample the holy mount for 42 months, during the time of the two witnesses.

                • read rev 17-18. the beast destroys the city, so it cannot exist at the end of the vials. the city also has to rule the kings of the earth, and be mourned when it falls. This is not jerusalem. All nations will turn against it.

                  and now back to the “when”

                  when do you think babylon falls?

                  after what seal, trumpet, or vial?

                  • I already answered the when, before the seventh trumpet. which fits the following passage:

                    “and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27. and he (the prince who is to come) shall make a strong covenent with many for one week. ” (Dan. 9:26-27) It is clear from this passage, that the “city” is Jerusalem, which is destroyed before the Strong covenent is made and Israels final seven years begins, is it not? I see no contradiction here.

                    As I said the time of the seventh trumpet is this 7 years of daniel 9.
                    To correct you, The beast destroys the Whore of Babylon, At that point in time the whore is tied to Jerusalem, the city that has become Babylon the great. Which is destroyed by God.

                    Could the city be new york, or London, or rome? Out of these three only rome is a center of a religion.

                    I think one thing you are overlooking is that with regard to the Gog Magog war, Israel is described as a land of unwalled villages, which will be dwelling securely. (read Ezekial 38,39) and the sixth bowl Judgement. No where is Jerusalem mentioned for this particular war. Other wars mention the surrounding of Jerusalem, but not this one.

                    As I said I am not certain on this, But scripture seems to confirm that Jerusalem gets destroyed. It is not the only time this has occured, 70 ad being the only one that saw a temple destroyed as well. Undoubtedly, some of the Old Testament prophecies point to this destruction.

                    In fact, the last time Jerusalem is mentioned in revelation is after the two witnesses prophecy, apart from the mention of a new Jerusalem. This is why I make the point to you that Jerusalem nor the temple mount is not mentioned anywhere in the revelation 13 account of the beast and his mark, unlike the abomination which occurs at the temple in Jerusalem. Think about it.

                    Be blessed.

  5. Hi Marianne,

    Above you quote Revelation 17:6 as being one of the verses to take into consideration regarding this city.
    Since the beginning of 17:6 would already suggest that of martyrdom, wouldn’t it be prudent to utilize the primary definition of the Greek “μάρτυς” transliterated as “martys”, (Strong’s 3144), and substitute the word “Witnesses”, which is its literal meaning, and what the word has been translated as the majority of the time within the New Testament? (A total of 29 times as “witness” in fact, within the KJV., as opposed to 3 times, (of which this instance would be 1), as “martyr (s)”, or the 2 times the word has been translated into “record”.)

    For those that may believe that Babylon is the US of A, or perhaps Britain, they would first have to see if they happen to fit all of the described criteria.

    – First of all, it is a city and not a nation, Revelation 17:18., the transliterated “megas polis” or “great city”.

    – Revelation 17:9., states that this particular city sits on 7 mountains.

    – The Heavens, Holy Apostles and Prophets are told to rejoice over this cities destruction, for God has avenged them. I believe that it is safe to assume that none of the Holy Apostles, or Prophets were killed in either the States, or Britain.

    Marianne and Dru, You are both aware of what I believe that city is, however that is not the question that Marianne has posed which is two fold.
    Neither of which can be answered definitively.
    I just had to comment regarding it being anything other than what Isaiah 46:9,10. would suggest it as being.

    Be Blessed in Yeshua the Most Holy of Holies.

    • accepted

      the first word used is hagios, which means saints. since their blood is shed, it makes them martyrs. the second word used is martys, which means witnesses, who apparently have been killed for their testimony and witness, hence making them martyrs as well.

      Who babylon is and when she falls are different points, so I intentionally made that distinction here. that would make the post much longer, so I avoided “who” for this post.

      it is more complicated that one thinks to identify the city. one has to look at the descriptions in Revelation, not just the old testament.

      the city has high commerce. NYC does, but Jerusalem doesn’t. the beast destroys the city and eats its flesh. I can see this happening to NYC, but not Jerusalem, since Jerusalem survives the tribulation, and is occupied by the AC until the end.

      however when the city falls, merchants grieve, and put dust on their heads, a middle eastern, and eastern custom. I cannot see any merchant from that area grieving over the fall of either city, since people from that area hate both the USA and Jerusalem.

      the beast hates the city which rides it, also.

      so we need a high commerce city, loved by many and grieved over that falls, that the beast hates.

      to get the right city, we also have to get the right beast.

      • Hi Marianne,

        Yes I am aware of the question pertaining to this post, however I believe to understand “when” this city will fall, one should first understand “what” city it is first?
        And the answers to this question should be and are recorded in Scripture, in both the Tanakh and New Testament.

        Regarding Revelation 17:6.
        “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”

        The point that I was making above is this; Since we know that the women is a city, (Rev 17:18.), and the Greek “μεθύω” or “methyō”, (Strong’s 3184) can be defined as, “of one who has shed blood or murdered profusely” we can therefore conclude that this city has murdered “saints”, (which of course, these would have had the witness of the truth of Yeshua and would have started with Stephen, Acts Ch. 6 & 7). Yet John continues on within the verse by adding more information.

        It makes no sense whatsoever for him to simply repeat what he had just said, therefore this, “and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus”, is something specific that he is adding for our further understanding. Therefore by utilizing the primary definition of the Greek “μάρτυς” transliterated as “martys”, (Strong’s 3144), and substituting the word “Witnesses”, it should provide us with further clarity as to which city this is. I believe that it directs us to Revelation 11.

        Revelation 18:20. could very easily be translated from the Greek as follows;
        “Rejoice and be glad over the city O’ heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets! For God has decreed His judgments, and executed His vengeance, on the city and has vindicated you!”
        And what does Scripture, and Yeshua Himself say regarding the slaying of prophets?
        “Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.” Luke 13:33.

        People….. please look at the Big Picture here.
        Satan wished to exalt his throne above God and ascend above the heights of the clouds; and be like the most High, (Isaiah 14:13,14.). However God thwarted those plans and had him tossed out of heaven, (Isaiah 14:12.). Therefore what would be his objective here on earth to exact his vengeance upon then, to then take over, deceive and corrupt? As a city would it be say Chicago, or perhaps London?

        What city did God Himself choose?
        And if satan through the beast and false prophet were to “Sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he was indeed God”, (2 Thess. 2:4.), where do you suppose this would be?
        And though this city may not as of yet be rich and the center of the world either economically, politically or spiritually,…. when the beast is sitting there proclaiming to be God and being believed and worshipped by all of those whose names are not written in the book of life, (Rev. 13:8.), and because God placed them in a state that they believed this lie, (2 Thess. 2:11.), do you think that satan will live in a state of earthly poverty?

        Not likely. Simply because this city doesn’t necessarily fit all of the criteria today, does not mean that it won’t sometime in the future.

        Just my thoughts based upon Scripture.

        For adding reading please consider the significance of Hebrews 11:10 – 16., 12: 22 – 24., and 13: 14. and see as to what that is pointing to.

        Be Blessed in Yeshua our Most Holy and Precious Savior.

        • I know it is a temptation to introduce the “who” with the “when.”

          this would lead to a very long digression, full of controversy, which I am trying to avoid.

          there is actually another post on this site..devoted to the “who.”

          and the when can be discussed without the who… 🙂

          the who and the when have to match the descriptions given in Revelation. .. we cannot ignore features like wealth, ability to survive the tribulation, etc.

        • accepted

          another thought here…..while you may be right about the woman

          she rides on the beast

          who is the beast, in your interpretation?

          • Hi M,

            Oh I am pretty sure that I am right. Over and over again God spoke through every prophet that a end time judgement would take place upon Jerusalem, yet only the destruction of one mysterious city is mentioned in Revelation.

            However, regarding the beast, I could only speculate. It could be Islam? It could be the Roman Catholic Church? Or it could be a blend of both?
            We will just have to wait and see.
            That is if we are still around of course, and haven’t been accounted worthy to escape all of what will come to pass.

            Be Blessed in Yeshua.

        • Accepted,
          I would like to get your thoughts on what I posted regarding gog magog, and the lack of Jerusalem being mentioned therein. I think that this may be the thing that distinguishes between that which is false, Aka the “strong delusion”, and the true end. The Strong delusion is for “those who are perishing”, And this is what Most false religions are awaiting, The destruction of Jerusalem as the end.

          Be blessed.

      • Marianne, how about Dubai? Just asking

  6. Mystery Babylon was the ancient religion that evolved into Baal worship. It was based on a false messiah (Tammuz) and his mother Semiramis (queen of Heaven) which were the basis for the pagan celebrations that eventually became Christmas and easter. Many elements of this pagan religion were introduced into the Christian church when Constantine merged all the religions in the Roman Empire into a conglomerate called the universal (Catholic) church.
    Before the wedding of the church can happen all the pagan practices including Sunday worship must be destroyed. The woman (women actually) represent a church in prophesy and the woman in rev12 is the true church and the woman who rides the beast (Vatican) is the apostate mother church and all of her apostate daughter churches who still have pagan practices within them, and their followers will receive the mark of the beast seeing as the beast is the Vatican.
    None of these churches are fit to be the bride of Christ. But while the churches of rev3 were scorned, the modern churches will be destroyed. It is far too late for them to change on their own so they must be stripped of their paganism by God Himself before the marriage ceremony. And don’t assume God is going to cut these churches any slack because He’s such a nice guy. This will be a time of His vengeance and wrath, so don’t count on Him to play Mr. nice guy.
    So the church will fall just before Christ returns or just after – during the reaping of the wicked between the Second Coming and the day of atonement.
    The sad thing is that very few people will believe this until the very end. Finally though they will realize their mistake and hate the woman and come out of her. They will then become members of the true church – the woman clothed in the sun and be married to Jesus Christ.
    So there you go, believe it or not. (Most will not. 😦 )

    • so city is Rome (vatican)?

      beast is the church?

      bible says beast hates the woman and kills her.

      church will kill the vatican?

      • Marianne, Accepted and all.

        Good discussion within this post. A Blessed New Year to all.
        Here are a few pennies worth of thoughts out of my bank.

        She is not a woman just as she does not sit literally on a city with 7 mountains.  She (spiritual) sits on the seven deadly sins (Proverbs 6).

        Accepted, you are heading in the correct  direction you note –

        “The Heavens, Holy Apostles and Prophets are told to rejoice over this city’s destruction, for God has avenged them.”

        So besides Rome (popular choice), there are only a small number of cities (centers of commerce), that sit among 7 mountains in that region. 

        Let’s look at this with spiritual eyes to see 7 mountains of a city (center of commerce for the world) identified for destruction in that day (soon). 

        Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him” (Mark 11:23,NASB).

        The seven mountains upon Jezebel (just a name) sits are found in Proverbs 6:16-19.

        These mountains are a roadblock/barrier to Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers ( Ephesians 4:11).  A celebration for the fall of Jezebel will be heard in heaven because these 7 sins hinder the work of saving souls for Christ.

        Revelation 17:9, “Here is the mind which has wisdom” (Proverbs).

        “These six things the Lord hates, yes seven are an abomination to Him:

        1) A proud look,
        2) A lying tongue,
        3) Hands that shed innocent blood,
        4) A heart that devises wicked plans,
        5) Feet that are swift in running to evil,
         6) A false witness who speaks lies,
        7) And one who sows discord among brethren.

        The first and seventh are the greatest hinderances (demonic) to the work of spreading the Gospel. 

        What city sitting on many waters (commerce center of the world today) operates in a system (Beast driven not honoring God), that is filled with these 7 sins? 

        Satan took Jesus upon the “highest mountain” giving Jesus a choice. I don’t think that was Mt. Everest or a mountain overseeing Rome or Jerusalem either. Pride is the first of the “mountains” (deadly sins).

        What will the people of the world think and do when this city is destroyed in a very short time (an hour). A proud city in a proud country taken down short order.  

        I think Babylon (center of world commerce over 
        many waters), falls within the next 18 months, sooner rather than later. 

        Rev 18:8 says this events is very powerful because she is Proud! “Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.”

        My reading of the end of the age (Matthew 24), is that we are weeks away from the mid-point of seven years, which began 10/09/09. But, I can not pinpoint the event (trumpet/seal) for Babylon’s destruction. 

        When this catastrophic event takes place the churches (6 of 7), pays attention and repents (Rev 18:19 says sackcloth/ashes), while those worshiping the Beast move on, giving their kingdom to the Beast.

        “Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.  And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 

        For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. And the woman (Jezebel) whom you saw is (represented by) that great city (nation of commerce?), which reigns over the kings of the earth” (Rev 17: 15-19, NKJV, and my interpretations).

        Psalm 29

        • Hi DJ,

          When John saw the vision of the woman on the beast he looked upon it, wondering what the heck that it meant, (θαῦμα, thauma, Strong’s 2295), Rev. 17:6.

          The angel in Rev.17:7., responded with “Why are you wondering? I will explain to you who the mysterious woman and the beast that carries her with the 7 heads and the 10 horns are.”

          Now it is my opinion that the following explanation that the angel provided did just that, (for it is impossible for God to lie), and that though, cryptic in nature and not fully understandable as of yet, that explanation is to be taken literally rather than spiritually.
          And that one of the reasons that this explanation and description of what must and will transpire in the future is not completely understood yet, is because of all the parables that Yeshua spoke as He walked on the earth, like Matthew 24:45-51., for example.

          I believe that things will transpire “literally”, exactly as described.

          Be Blessed in Yeshua our Most Glorious Savior.

    • Jim, you are obviously proferring SDA eschatological ideology. If such be not true, I apologize.

      SDA eschatology is certainly not without merit. SDA eschatology includes factors and concepts others disinclude; the true sabbath being one.

      Most if not all of what you’ve stated is true. Tammuz was the son of Nimrod and Semiramis(queen of heaven-Ishstar-easter-moon goddess, Semiramis was Noah’s wife’s grandaughter, and mother of Nimrod. That’s right, Nimrod’s father’s wife was Nimrod’s mother after his father died(likely Semiramis killed him as she later did Nimrod)

      Tammuz was born 12/25 – Christmas! ! !

      Semiramis started the whole state sponsored “priests forgiving sins” thing.
      Simply stated, disincluding possible factors when presuming to discover truth is now certainly recognized as not wise. Yet it would seem that many who seek biblical insight resist venturing outside preconceived familiar orthodox beliefs(outside the box)

      Why the fear of outside the box thinking when God himself invites us to reason together(with Him)? The reason(s) are born of fear.

      The scarlet woman/whore(Catholicism) rides the Beast/Vatican state

      The whore in league with the beast robs/hijacks/subverts man’s love for God and fellow man. The beast/whore must hijack/subvert/erase/destroy evidence of God and man’s sovereignty for the purpose of retaining man’s attention. This is ultimately accomplished by sustaining fear driven needs.

      Ultimately the Bible will revealed to all that it was/is 1000% accurate.

      1. Man will continue to think and raise his hand against man and God

      2. Motive will be continually provided to compel men against men

      3. Love of fellow man will grow cold

      4. Many will accept “the mark in the hand” due to ignorance

      5. Death decree for those refusing the mark will happen

      6. “The Mark” will directly contravene God’s law

      7. What the “The Mark” won’t be is obvious

      8. The “mark” won’t be a chip,666 tattoo, or other temporal symbol

      9. The “mark” will be eternal

      10. What “The Mark” is, is hidden in plain sight

      The only way to have the strength to refuse the mark of the beast is to love your fellow man, which is to love God.

      The Mark of the Beast will likely be a National Sunday Law. Type/Antitype. Saturday Sabbath/Sunday Sun. 7/6. 777/666. The age of 666 is likely at an end. 6,000 years is over. The seventh millenium is upon us and likely God will likely not allow this hell to continue much further.

      Ivan Panin’s discovery has never been disproven. The Bible is infallible.

      What do you think?

    • Shalom, I agree with most of your post Jim, except I rather not use the word ‘church’ at all because of the pagan connotations. I prefer calling it assembly or congregation which is kahal or kehilat portraying its true Hebrew identity. The assembly or natural olive tree has always been Israel and that hasn’t changed.

      The seven hills are in Rome, the Vatican is built right on top of it. Rome mingles with the nations in Daniel’s statue. More significantly as the statue’s legs it holds up the statue; that is it holds up the power or kingdoms of the word the statue represents. Rome is revived because it never really died; at least not outwardly. Rome has created a world-wide system. It has been operating as a ‘mystery religion’ behind the scenes of the world’s powers. It has deceived the world with its false system. Rome continues to exert a great deal of control behind the governments of the world even as the ‘gospel’ (whose?) is preached.
      Moreover, Rome has poisoned the world with its false pagan religion that it in turn inherited from Babylon thus identifying Rome as ‘mystery Babylon’. The Christian churches are Rome’s daughters that have inherited lies from their ancestors (Jer 16:19). It has taught them not to observe the Sabbath, the ONLY day Yahweh set aside and blessed (Gen2:1-4) and replaced it with its own sun worship day. Likewise, has set aside the observance of Yah’s feasts or sacred appointment times that Yeshua and His sent ones kept (, Mat 26:17-19, Marks 14:12-16, Luke 2:41, 22, Juan 2:23, Acts 20:16, 1Co 16:8, John 7:2, 10, 14, 37-38) and replaced them with pagan ones honoring their baalim.

      Rome has been an adulteress from the start mixing truth with darkness (mingling or compromising the WORD). She truly has had many lovers. It has tried to replace the true bride, Israel, giving herself authority she never had, even to try to change the days and feasts of the Most High. Her true power has come from the fallen one, the adversary. Rome and its corrupted false system will assuredly fall.

  7. You know, Janelle, that of all the people who have attempted to prove some portion of the Holy Scriptures to be “false”…NONE have been able to do it. “IF” you can find “ONE” item of contradiction within the Scriptures…there are a couple of Christian websites that have a MILLION DOLLARS up for grabs!

    It’s been there for several years now…

    So…if you think the Scriptures are “incomplete”…prove it and collect the MILLION DOLLARS!!!

  8. Originally, Britain “was” a city…within the Roman Empire! It has “grown” into a Nation since it’s original beginnings…

  9. They may NOT have been killed in either of the two NATIONS…true! But they were killed within the Roman Empire!

  10. The seven “States” of the Roman Empire that became “countries?”

    Don’t know…I “look” at how things “might” fit in rather than to go with “traditional” thinking and previous ideas, in an effort to find the truth! I believe that somewhere, within these discussions, the “truth” shall make itself “KNOWN” to all of us in a way we have yet to discover.

    YES…I “know” some of my answers might be way “off-base”, BUT…they (my answers) might “trigger” someone’s thoughts to look at something else in a different “light” which no one had thought of previously.

  11. One has to understand who is a harlot is.

  12. The fall of Babel/Babylon/Usa occurs after the rapture. Then it will never be rebuilt. Usa will be detroyed by your own nuclear weapen.

  13. Does anyone remember the practice of Roman Catholics on Ash Wednesday (the priest putting ash on the foreheads)? So, it kinda fits in with what the Catholics would do in the Roman Catholic Church if Rome (Vatican) fell, which sits upon 7 hills.

  14. Babylon is the same Babylon of Genesis ..She is the wife / congregation of Satan…..Babylon is Satan’s version of The bride of Christ, New Jerusalem…
    Both Cain and Nimrod build a city…Both of these also worshipped the ancient astrology lore…
    Genesis 11-4…And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower,
    whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
    The CITY these built is the gathering of people into one system of belief..In this way they would be gathered and not scattered on the earth no matter their actual location..This is the meaning of city Babylon….
    This Babylonian system killed Jews and Christians throughout time…It continued to kill Jews and Christians even after Mohammed declared Hubal the original moon god of the astrology worship as the God of Abraham..

    Islam is a continuation of the ancient Babylonian worship of astrology lore… Many of Islam’s beliefs and doctrines are taken from astrology lore and from the Gnostics who were of astrology lore…The congregations of Islam are Babylon which includes Christians who fall to the Islamic insanity ….Babylon is the bride of Satan….They are called a city because they are all of the same Mindset of Islam..

    Revelation 13 is about Satan and his seven heads-demons who are the power behind the beast…These indwell the beast…The first beast is Satan’s version of messiah…It is Mohammed…He receives a deadly wound and dies and goes to hell… But is revived after 1000 years….This revived antichrist is who we deal with today…

    Satan and his seven heads-demons are the counterfeit of God’ Spirit…….The first beast is a counterfeit of God’s messiah…He also brings a gospel which is a counterfeit of Christ’s Gospel… The earth beast called false prophets are those who pass the Koran off as words of God.. This is what false prophets do…

    John’s words in Rev. 13-1 identifies the beast group as being the descendants of IShmael and the foundation of Islam..
    John says he stood on the SAND OF THE SEA. In Rev. 13-1…This sand of the sea is not only the foundation of the broad way built on SAND,, of Matthew 7, it is also the foundation of Islam…Mohammed claimed blood lines to Abraham, Ishmael to substantiate his prophethod…or should I say messiahship…

    The entire world worshipped the astrology gods until God called Abraham out of it…. The entire world today still worshipps astrology lore except for Christians and Jews… India, Jaan, China, etc…ISLAM…all of astrology origians

    This is the world that will end soon….The system of astrlogy worship satan set in motion in Genesis..The earth however will stand forever….

  15. Babylon is thought to be allegorical for subsequent architypes of the original whore

    Rome sits on seven hills

    The beast that started as a lamb and became a lion and gave power to the
    beast was/is the US

    Rome/Vatican/Babylon now rules the world

    Roman Catholicism has stepped into His Holy Place(earth)

    Many anticipate the beast. It’s here.
    Many anticipate the man of sin. He’s here.
    Many anticipate the Mark. It’s here.

    Many look forward to Jesus return
    Many know that He never left – He walks the Earth now with impunity

    Yes, He will manifest in (the)clouds.

    Likely as many as accept the mark will love self over fellow man

    Love of fellow man is beginning of wisdom

    Wisdom reveals the Mark of the Beast. Love rejects it

  16. Dan – tell it like it is brother. Its “to simple” for most to grasp. The Great minds and scholars of theology go right over it. I believe the U.S.A in Rev. 13 is the 2nd. Beast with the image just like the first one.
    Rev. 13:11 And I heheld another beast (nation) coming up out of the earth; and he had two thorns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. Notice it came up out of the (EARTH) is was not an established nation. It had to be built.

    And yes just like Israel. U.S.A has went from “great light” into Sodom and Egypt. Look what happened to Jerusalem and Israel in 70 A.D. If God destroyed them for that what was the Abomination that made desolation for her.

    What about the Great Women of American. She was a beacon in the night and was the hope of the world. A very great Nation that was a blessing to all nations around the world. Other nations of the world looked to her for inspiration. Look at her now. The U.S.A is living on borrowed time. She is found in Rev. 13 and this is the year 2013. Who knows. A house divided cannot stand. America has “Pierced Christ” as well. And killed the influence of Christ among this nation. Kill the influence of the Gospel life and you will destroy the nation. They call good evil and evil good.

    • Tom York, well said! Great exposition!

      You are right. The great minds and scholars of theology MISS the obvious that is hidden in plain sight RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. My theory on that is this; given that the Bible was/is divine, it was written and assembled “other dimensionally”, and likely to be seen/interpreted as God intends, not as man intends. Thus, God’s nature should always be included within any consideration of prophecy.

      Since God invites us to reason together, this likely endorses such theory.

      Further, there would seem to be a common denominator within His Word. That denominator could likely be extrapolated from Christ’s exemplary temporal existence wherein He taught the disciples to heal the sick and raise the dead. It could he presumed that He did this by exemplifing and teaching brotherly love and humility. It certainly can be seen that the disciples lost their ability to call on the lord on behalf of the sick and injured and thus they lost their humility.

      I contend that truth’s of the Bible are “hidden in plain sight”.

      Proverbs 25:2
      “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter”

      We are Kings. Sons of God if we but ask. I choose humility. The rewards are incredible!

      I choose knowledge over ignorance.

      The Lord knocked me on my ass years ago. I praise Him for that. It was tough, but I wouldn’t trade His gift for the world.

      I was a paramedic for 25 years(I’m 57). As such, I saw things I can’t “un-forget”. I know that many, many people will get to heaven before me; and that’s FINE WITH ME. His gift is all that I need. He died not having the assurance of ressurection. We have the assurance. Praise His name!

      God Bless All, we are going home. Love thy fellow man as He loved us



  17. “…The Lord knocked me on my ass years ago. I praise Him for that. It was tough, but I wouldn’t trade His gift for the world.

    I was a paramedic for 25 years(I’m 57). As such, I saw things I can’t “un-forget”. I know that many, many people will get to heaven before me; and that’s FINE WITH ME. His gift is all that I need. He died not having the assurance of ressurection. We have the assurance. Praise His name!

    God Bless All, we are going home. Love thy fellow man as He loved us…”

    yeap, Dan…I “feel ya’!” (I’ll be 60 in a couple months)

  18. America isn’t any worse than Russia, China, or Japan. All are a part of the world system of murdering the innocent, porn, drugs… If anything, America is the last nation state to join, and use it’s power to futher the agenda of the world system.

    We see region 4 being born now, and given to the Muslim brotherhood. It is a pagan birth costing human blood which Old Knob enjoys causing in exchang for power, and money.

    Lucifer’s man will be in charge soon enough of the global government that exist now. See CFR global government. Just like Nimrod before him, and before Noah’s flood too.

    The kindom of G-d is inside us. It is how we look at others, and how we treat them. G-d love us his creation to die for us, and give us a way out of condemnation. What we do to the least, we do to G-d.

    Mystery Babylon is the false religion of worshiping anything other than G-d the father in Christ’s name.

    • @Leatherneck. You are correct brother. The kingdom of God is within His disciples who are His church. Satan addicts his followers to self service. I want to be addicted to God and fellow man’s service.

      I learned true love the day my son was born. I was never the same. I would die for him. That God would allow His Son to die for me slays me. I KNOW that He will save my son. For that I will die for Him who would save my son.

      I would die an eternal death for my son. Jesus offered to die an eternal death for me/us. Staggering concept

  19. Yea Dan and Leatherneck – The world talks and shun’s God’s Revelation. Because they do not understand when he told Israel. To kill all at times, when they were at war with their enemies.

    But if they would just look at what the Father did to HIS SON. Hello- Praise God – what a horrible death and torture for His Son Jesus Christ. But it was all for a positive, prosperous, life of peace, rest, and Love for you and your fellow man. Amen

  20. you cannot produce nothing in life without pain and suffering.

  21. @Tom York — Amen Brother. Well spoken

    God/Jesus died because Love for US demanded it. The “world” doesn’t understand.

    The God Jesus loves us as we love our children, and that is as it should be. Perfect love. For that I will proclaim Him.

    For God’s love for MY SON, I pray that I will die for Him who died for me. I
    pray that He will save all for the sake of my love for my beloved son

    “When a nation stops living for their children, it’s the beginning of the end”

    There is no higher truth

  22. Marianne,
    where? Jerusalem is not found in Ezekial 38-39, neither is it found in The sixth and seventh vial. Agree, that it is in Zech. 14 but I think this points to the destruction we are discussing…”Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations…” verse3 in other words after the destruction.

  23. Marianne,
    Like you, I cannot say with 100% certainty on this. When “alienated” proposed this, I had the same trouble refuting it. I was leaning towards Rome at the time. I still think rome is in the mix, (Catholic church), but have not figured out the proportions of that mix. I still see Catholocism as the woman, but something is still missing in there that would make it an “aha!” moment. Not sure what though.?

  24. It will happen sometime early in the Revelation Administration, after the gathering together (rapture) of te Church, but before the return of Jesus Christ to earth. In other words, during the Tribulation period.

  25. My guess is that from 2043 AD she will be in the wilderness. Revelation 12 and 13. Of course it is not my own guess but Son of man’s suggestion.

    1998+3,5 years = 2001,5 AD
    2001,5+42 months (moonperiods, moonyears) = 2043 AD
    2043+1260 days (years) = 3303 AD.

  26. The tribulation is the duration of the feast day lunar tetrad eclipses starting 4-15-14. Add 1260 days to get 9-26-17.

    Christ seems to return on 9-23-17 The sign of the son of Man (Rev 12:1-2) is described there. Comet ISON, Nov/ Dec 2013, is the false sign of the son of man (Project Blue Beam), Nov. 2013 plus 5 months of Trumpet 5 to start Trumpet 6 at the lunar tetrads – just like the prior lunar tetrad feast day eclipses kicked off the 6 day war.

    Obama is Babylon/ Lucifer (Baraq = lightning/ Satan falling, Babylon is Lucifer from Isaiah 14). Hillary Clinton is the whore of Obama/ Babylon.

    If 9-26-17 is the 1260th day, the 1290th day is 10-26-17 (the month that God dismisses the 3 worthless shepherds). This day, 10-26-17, would be Hillary’s 70’th birthday. If Hillary runs for election in 2016 and wins, 11-1-16 plus a Biblical year (360 days/ the day of the Lord) puts us at 10-26-17.

    • Interesting denton,
      You think the comet next year is a hoax, or an illussion?

      Also Hillary being the whore of Babylon. I considered this once as well, But it seems to me that the false prophet will be the next president, whoever that may be, as “He excercises all the Authority of the first beast in its prescence” (rev 13:12) Undoubtedly she will be involved in some way, unless she is “shut up” so that she cannot testify on the current hearings on the attacks in Lybia. But that is a bit conspiratorial, though plausible in light of her recent mysterious health issues.??

      Here is one for you to consider, If you do acount of 1260 days three times from december 10th 2009, (Kislev 24) you will find that they hit on three significant days on the Jewish Calendar. Add another 1290 and 1335 days, then you end up on the eighth day of passover in 2027. The first Passover of the Millenial Kingdom.

      2009, 2020, 2026,2027 are all years of “perfect order” as per Jim Bramlett, though he believes 2020 is the end. I see it is the end of the age of grace.

      God Bless

  27. Tapio,
    Hyvaa ussi vuosi,
    I Hope it is not that late!

    1:3 Autuas se, joka lukee, ja autuaat ne, jotka kuulevat tämän profetian sanat ja ottavat vaarin siitä, mitä siihen kirjoitettu on; sillä aika on lähellä!

  28. To all of forum in the Love of Christ:
    After listening to so many interpretations of futurism doctrine. I cannot help to wonder how you all can be so different about your futurism. It sounds so much like Babylon. Did you ever think that maybe it is.

    Regrettably, most all futurist leaders presuppose that preterism must be a misinterpretation of Scripture, because they believe that the future-ness and biological-ness of the Second Coming and the Resurrection of the dead are cardinal, nonnegotiable elements of the Biblical Faith. Ironically, their blind faith in the eschatological interpretations of the Church Fathers is “Roman Catholic” to the core. The sad result is that they are attempting to resolve this substantive theological issue by reference to historical TRADITIONS, without searching the Scriptures. (The Reformers would be rolling over in their graves …if they weren’t already resurrected, that is.)

    FUTERISM means that “the way of the Holy Places” has not been revealed. (Heb. 9:8) In other words, it means that Christ our High Priest has not appeared “a second time” to His anxiously awaiting people, (Heb. 9:28) after presenting His Sacrifice to the Father in “the Holy Places.” (Lev. 16) It means that atonement for our sins is not complete today.

    Christ was “about to” (Heb. 9:11) appear “in a very little while,” without “delay,” (Heb. 10:37) at the disappearing of the old covenant, (Heb. 8:13) when the worldly tabernacle fell. (Heb. 9:8) If His Appearing out of the heavenly Holy Places did not take place at that appointed time, then it irresistibly follows that Jesus’ Word failed, and our High Priest’s Sacrifice was rejected by the Father, and we are still dead in our sins.

    These implications of futurism are damnable heresies that would have been received with great delight by the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’ day. And they have been thrown in the face of the Church by atheists and liberals of our own day.

    So why do I (and all other Reformed preterists) still consider futurists to be our brothers in Christ even though the implications of their belief ultimately serve to destroy the Christian Faith? Because futurists are not thoroughgoing in their futurism. They believe that Christ’s atonement for our sins was completed. They do not believe in or confess the heretical implications of futurism. They confess (inconsistently but truly) all of the cardinal elements of the Faith.

    The fault of the futurists is ignorance, misunderstanding and inconsistency, not blasphemy. Nevertheless, futurism is a serious error, not only because of what it necessarily implies, but because of what it inevitably creates: “consistent futurists,” i.e., liberals and atheists. It gives occasion to these enemies of the Lord to blaspheme.
    Without a doubt, it is high time to awake from the destructive slumber of futurism. God is always reforming His Church. May He reform us in our eschatology, so that we will defeat the liberals within, refute the atheists without, and build up His Kingdom in its most holy Faith. If the Lord is willing, these things will be done when we humble ourselves in His sight and let His Word say what it says. The enemy has you looking out in the Future for something you already can have and possess NOW.

    Debating is good if it ever comes to an Absolute. Futurism will never come to an absolute because just like in Jesus day. The Church Multitudes were Pharisees, and Sadducee’s and they ruled by influence over the whole church. And a Sanhedrin full of traditions of men. Which today is called the Holy Roman Catholic Church system along with her harlot Protestants.

    • sigh……

      Perhaps it is time for you to reconsider what it is that you believe.

      Just saying.

      • So……
        In being a Preterist then, what would be your spiritual interpretation of say, 2 Peter 3:2 through 13.

        Here is the New International Readers Version to offer you some clarity.

        2 I want you to remember the words the holy prophets spoke in the past. Remember the command our Lord and Savior gave through your apostles.
        3 First of all, here is what you must understand. In the last days people will make fun of the truth. They will laugh at it. They will follow their own evil longings.
        4 They will say, “Where is this ‘return’ he promised? Everything goes on in the same way it has since our people of long ago died. In fact, it has continued that way since God first created everything.”
        5 Long ago, God’s word brought the heavens into being. His word separated the earth from the waters. And the waters surrounded it. But those people forget things like that on purpose.
        6 The waters also flooded the world of that time. It was destroyed.
        7 By God’s word the heavens and earth of today are being reserved for fire. They are being kept for the day when God will judge. Then ungodly people will be destroyed.
        8 Dear friends, here is one thing you must not forget. With the Lord a day is like a thousand years. And a thousand years are like a day.
        9 The Lord is not slow to keep his promise. He is not slow in the way some people understand it. He is patient with you. He doesn’t want anyone to be destroyed. Instead, he wants all people to turn away from their sins.
        10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar. Fire will destroy everything in them. God will judge the earth and everything in it.
        11 So everything will be destroyed. And what kind of people should you be? You should lead holy and godly lives.
        12 Live like that as you look forward to the day of God. It will make the day come more quickly. On that day fire will destroy the heavens. Its heat will melt everything in them.
        13 But we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth. Godliness will make its home there. All of this is in keeping with God’s promise.
        14 Dear friends, I know you are looking forward to that. So try your best to be found pure and without blame. Be at peace with God.
        15 Remember that while our Lord is waiting patiently to return, people are being saved. Our dear brother Paul also wrote to you about that. God made him wise to write as he did.

        I have difficulty in believing how all this has already happened???
        Please enlighten us.

        Be Blessed in Yeshua.

        • Wow! awesomely said! The worship on Sunday does go back to the worship of Baal. And who demands Sunday worship? None other than the one named for the morning star, or morning light, Lucifer himself. You are deceived If you worship on Sunday. The Catholic church changed Sunday to it’s day of worship. God never changed the day to Sunday. The Bible is the truth and God doesn’t change His mind, especially to a day that Lucifer has chosen as his own.

  29. hi Accepted!

    As I posted on another blog…YES! Islam, the Catholic Church, NWO, Freemasons, Illuminati, Nazi’s, etc., are just “tools” of Satan and are in reality “one-&-the-same” as there IS another “entity” controlling all of them in an effort to BREAK the WILL of God which cannot be broken!

    Like you said, “…a blend of both…”

    If you take a step back…it is “clear” to see that all of these “evil” ideologies ARE being used to divert true Christians from the truth! NOW, we have the “media” to add to the list!

  30. Hello, Accepted!

    Hope you’re having a wonderful New Year as I “Pray” for everyone, also.

    I like this phrase that you just posted:

    “…8 Dear friends, here is one thing you must not forget. With the Lord a day is like a thousand years. And a thousand years are like a day…”

    This is the point that I have attempted to put forth concerning the “thousand years” prophecy of the End Times. Since Jesus is making the “reference” in a literal sense…I believe it is to be taken as “…a thousand years are like a day…” and NOT a thousand years worth of “man’s” time!

    I believe that those left here on Earth, WILL NOT have a whole lot of time to “change their minds & hearts” to follow Jesus which WILL result in a “…gnashing of teeth a crying like the world has never known…!”

    For, if given enough “time”, who would NOT change their mind when faced with an ultimate death in Hell’s Fire or Everlasting Life???”

    As “other’s” have said here this website (& other websites), “…the Lord revealed…” this to “ME”…a long, long, long…time ago! Thinking back now, at least twenty years ago, long before these “Christian” websites even existed.

    “YES, Accepted, I DO know, Jesus!”

  31. Dear Bobby and all – The reformers like Luther’s age, John Wesly age and most all reformers of our Early church. Believed when Jesus came “into you” HE brought the Millennium with him. And it was bout 100% would tell you that Catholicism and the Pope was the anti-christ. After Catholicism was established.

    I use to have the whole list of all the reformers and about 100% believed the same way. Catholicism influenced the church to the point of ‘no return’ unless you really had a Prophet like Paul, that started the churchs along with the Apostles. Even then Peter said Paul’s teachings were hard to understand. So why does the modern church today think it’s so strange when its hard to break your traditions to understand truth.

    Its the denominations that have made it that way through their great minds of theology. And Not Revelation. By the word. You have to be taught By the Holy spirit and He will always lead and guide you to a True 5 fold ministry. And that will not be a denomination. That is Nico-latian spirit, which Jesus said HE HATED Rev. 2. with their false Balaam teachings Rev. 2 that produced what we are seeing today. A Babylon of Confusion called Jezebel religion. Catholicism all mixed in with every Protestant doctrine as well. Mother and Daughter harlots teaching the whole world.

    Though out the Church. Israel had the same problem after being captive to Babylon, Persians, Greek, and Roman influence’s of doctrines of pagans. They went from Prophets leading them in Book of Judges . To being influenced by their captives for hundreds of years. And then when Messiah came. He was a Prophet and So was John who introduced him. They both were not of the systems of Priests, Pharisee, scribes etc etc. Well they could not recieve either one as Holy Men sent to them.

    The Pope is excepted by almost all Pentecostals now. Just say something about one of their Catholic doctrines and see Im telling you the truth. They would love to have Him on their TV shows to make them fortunes.

    Satan has been gathering his disciples since Apostle Paul was alive. The Nicolatian spirit, the Balaam Spirit and Jezebel church systems and history dove tail to gether just perfectly. That is what destroyed Israel as I said above. And when Messiah came as a little Nazarene renegade. There was no way they could believe that was Messiah. They COMPLETELY MISSED HIM.

    Its happening the same in this last age. Calvary and Acts 2 was the start of the 2nd. coming of Christ “INTO THEM”. Those that rejected these Holy Ghost filled “little Jesus’s” as fanatics. Were mostly destroyed in 70 A.D. Along with their Temple worship that they made an Idol into. Just like Denomination is an Idol today. The POPE is an IDOL today by millions and millions. Who can make war with her. She controls American even. Notice where the Pharisee’s and Sadduccee’s are today. They are the great scholars of their Idols of denomination they think is right.


    So instead of a “rapture’ of escape and or the 2nd. coming as a escape they will soon see they was wrong.

    • Tom,

      I didn’t think that you could actually address the above that was posted.
      Thanks for nuffin I guess.
      Just more of that “mumbo-jumbo”.

  32. Accepted – How can you enlighten somebody that has always resisted your comments. YOU SAID you do not read my posts. Why should I want to read yours. You just always want to get personal or something and all bent out of shape. You have done nothing but try and be a overbearing thorn in my flesh. From the 2nd. post I put on here. You said Quote i will never talk to you again because I said I do not believe in a Rapture. Something like that. Is that Right. Im not going to beg you to read my post. If you do not want to recieve the truth and are unteachable. Jesus would not “cast his pearls before unbelievers but for a while” cause they just trample it into the mud. I’ve tried my best to fellowship with you.

    I find it interesting that Marianne’s latest post is right on target with what I said last night on my post. Only difference is . I say there is not “Coming a Rapture or 2nd. Coming like the futurist believe. I say things over and over and over again. Who will hear. Israel was the greatest Nation on the planet. They had influence as no other nation in the O.T had about the Living God.

    He Came to them in a Body of Flesh – they killed their own Messiah. But a few escaped the Judgement in 70 A.D. I likened that to USA today. Mercy comes first then Judgment. USA is getting ready for a great judgment because of their great, great sins of Apostasy just like Israel did 2000 years ago. The Disciples and other Christians escaped into the Wilderness and mountains. Because Jesus told them the Great Sign of His Coming Judgment. Don’t you realize that Judgment is a “Coming of Christ as well.

    Their thoughts of having Great Power and killing all of Rome and their enemies and setting up a “NATURAL KINGDOM” AND Messiah would reign as did King David again. And they overtake the World again. Sounds alot like our church teaches today does it not.

    You see Jesus Brought the “Kingdom of God” with him. We have been in the “Kingdom” of God” since the Resurrection and Holy Spirit came into our lives in Acts 2. Im already living in the “City” of God. Dogs live outside this city its called the world. I’m already living in my REST AND CHRIST IS RULING IN MY OWN BODY BECAUSE CHRIST TRANSFORMED ME ALREADY by His blood and Grace. I’VE DONE TOOK A RAPTURE- I HAVE PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE ALREADY. OH DEATH WHERE IS THY STING AND OH GRAVE WHERE IS THY VICTORY. JESUS CONQUERED DEATH, HELL, AND THE GRAVE FOR ME TO BE FREE – for me to die is Gain Paul said.—–

    And in Rev. 11:15 The Kingdom’s of this world are become the Kingdoms of our “LORD”, and of “HIS CHRIST”. And He shall reign forever and ever. —-“HIS CHRIST” is HIS BRIDE.

    I have mentioned Rev. 10:1-7 so many times on this forum. And NOT ONE person has every wanted to talk about it. Maybe cause It was the “Coming of the Lord” – and HE set His Feet upon the Earth and HAS took over already. That is history.

    We are in the time for the Greatest Battle ever fought to take place again. Just like in Christ 1st. coming. Nothing but static, unbelief, ridicule, hatred of truth. Truth Revealed the “sin and unbelief” in Israels hearts. It will still do it today if a man desires it with all his heart. –

    • Tom,

      When the Holy Spirit was given on the anniversary of when the law was given at Sinai, (described and recorded in Acts 2 on Shavu’ot), the Assembly or Church was formed. After that happened, there are Greek words like the transliterated “parousia” that are utilized to describe the Lords actual physical return.

      Within Scripture parousia is utilized “12” times;
      1 Corinthians 15:23. 1 Thessalonians 2:19., 3:13., 4:15., 5:23., 2 Thessalonians 2:1., 2:8., James 5:7,8., 2 Peter 3:4., 3:12., and 1 John 2:28.
      Now if Yeshua is not returning, (as you believe and preach) then what possible sense would say, James 5:7,8. make?

      “Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near.” NIV.

      Those two (2) verses can not be misconstrued? The translated “patient” is derived from the Greek “μακροθυμέω” transliterated as “makrothymeō”, (Strong’s 3114).
      Makrothymeō is defined as follows; 1) to be of a long spirit, not to lose heart., a) to persevere patiently and bravely in enduring misfortunes and troubles., b) to be patient in bearing the offenses and injuries of others., 1) to be mild and slow in avenging., 2) to be longsuffering, slow to anger, slow to punish.

      Within the context of the first sentence in the above verses then, it can only be understood as “to be patient until the Lord returns.”

      Then there is “erchomai, apokalypsis, epiphaneia”, etc. etc. and numerous other words and verses that “confirm” without a shadow of a doubt that Yeshua will return!

      As well as “optanomai” which is utilized in Hebrews 9:28., which actually states within it that Yeshua will return a “second time”, (the transliterated “deuteros”).

      Titus 2:13., states that we are; “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” KJV.

      Well if He is not returning, (as you say within your interpretations), why would we “Look for this blessed Hope?”
      “For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].” Romans 8:24,25. KJV.

      You remind me of a JW in the respects of how they believe that they have it all right and wish for you to reconsider what you may believe, but won’t dare take the same opportunity themselves.
      But put plainly, if one can not grasp that the Lord will indeed return by what is written within Scripture, I don’t place much credence in anything else they may have to say. And I would believe that since you don’t appear to listen or understand what is written within Scripture, that 1 John 4:6. may be applicable here.

      Again this is in respects to your hermeneutics and is not meant to be taken personally.

      Be Blessed.

  33. Bro. Accepted : Just a quick note here:
    All the N.T was written before 70 Ad. Except maybe for Revelation. So they were all waiting to see HIS RETURN as Jesus Promised them in Matt. 24 and many, many other scriptures. When you see the Armies gathered He told them that was the sign of the End especially for the Jewish Temple and the fall of Jerusalem and Mosaic O.T. The O.T was not done away with – It was Fulfilled in 70 AD and there was no more need for it. So the times you read about “His coming” in New Testament it was about the Coming of Destruction upon the Beast and False Prophet of that day mostly. HELLO – God did destroy the Roman Empire. He did set up His Kingdom, He did give his Disciples Power over all things. He also gave them the “NEW Jerusalem from Above” .
    Remember This all happen in One Generation “starting” in Book of Acts 2. -by receiving Gods Spirit.

    Comings of God have been numerous in the Bible.
    It is a —- Great —-but — Dreadful — day of the Lord when He comes.
    Great meaning – Raptured into “Salvation ” from the World and its woes. = Salvation means deliverance.
    Dreadful – Is “Judgment” to all that rejected so great a “Salvation:
    Jesus Christ brought with HIM – The “Kingdom of God”- This is why HE DIED and Rose for us.
    Jesus Spoke more about the “Kingdom” of God” than anything else I have been told.
    After His Resurrection Jesus in the cloud came down and Filled them with the Kingdom of God – The Spirit of GOD Acts 2. He re-created us to live in the “City set on a Hill” and our light shines to the World. NOW

    Remember as well. Jesus told them AS in the days of “Noah” – Where was the “sign” of His “coming”. Before it actually happened. The “Sign” was Noah’s Message. The Event was the flood that “Destroyed” the known World at that time. = Noah’s Message lasted 120 years – Grace was available – That was Mercies Advent. When it started Raining the Message was shut for the outside world. Noah and his family inside the ark “eating the wedding supper” while others were perishing in the world outside. Noah raptured – But did not leave the earth. God just “Raised Him Up” by the same flood that killed the rest of the known world.

    Rev. 22:16 – The Seals were opened in Rev. 10:1-7 to all that would believe the Message. Rev. 22:11 if you shunned that Message you was left “filthy still” dead in your sins and ready to meet your judgment. No hope then. Jesus Christ the Same yesterday, today and forever. Heb. 13:8
    He never changes HIS patterns. Scripture explains scripture.

    Now lets take Jesus word again. Sodom and Gomorrah. The Sign of His Coming was the “Message” of Abraham. Did not Jesus the “King of Salem” visit with Abraham personally before the destruction of those cities. BUT who knew that. Just Abraham’s congregation. The Bride in any generation is the Church of Overcomers that are inside the Church. The wheat grow with the tares.
    Did not God give those cities a Message of Faith through Abraham. And sent two Angel Messengers to the Cities just to be attacked from the perversions of that world. Only Lot and Daughters got out alive. They received a “Rapture” but they did not leave the Planet Earth. Abraham Was eating the Marriage supper of the Lamb with the King of Salem. While Sodom and Gomorrah were being Burned to the ground in Judgment.

    This is not “Spiritualizing” the Scripture it is just Facts.

    In Moses Day – did not God Come Down in a Cloud and the people wanted nothing to do with it. Because of their sin and unbelief. Yet look at the Destruction of Egypt and the Mighty Work God did in Judgment signs. Yet Israel the 1st. Generation died lost and undone in the Wilderness.
    Where was the Great sign at – It was “Moses Message” that Raptured them across the Great Red sea. They had their Exodus and was on their way to Promised land of Milk and honey. Did they leave the Earth. NO – Was the Milk and Honey a easy thing to possess. NO They fought for it. Died for it. Did they leave Egypt YES — But many were not true believers that went with Moses. And they suffered Judgment of death and suffering just like Egypt did. There is no Respecter of person’s with God. They seen the same signs that Pharaoh and Egypt did. But Israel was in more unbelief than Egypt. All they had to do was “follow the Messenger” to the Promise land. They were“ Called out” of Egypt by a Message . Just like in Rev.18:4 we have the same Message. Come out of her and be NOT partakers of her sins – sins is unbelief.

    So there are some great Examples to think about. I’m not looking for a GREAT ADVENT in the Skies. And a Flesh Body of Jesus to come and get me out of here. He already has made the “Way for me”. By Catching me up into HIS HOLY SPIRIT = His Kingdom — He has already came INTO my Flesh Body and Raised me up out of the World and the Evils it produces. I’m seated with Christ with authority. NO more want or desire the things of this World. He has led me to the Living Waters of the Word of life.

    When many start to experience Judgment on them like in 70 A.D. 1 Million and 100 thousand men, women, and children died at the hands of Rome on the temple mount. I guarantee you many were thinking about what Jesus said and tried to repent. For their gross rejection and mis-understandings of Jesus Christ Gospel Message of “The Kingdom of God” is at hand .

    And also the Great Roman Temple of Rome was destroyed as well within that generation. Showing That God had taken over the Nations of the World. They all belong to Jesus now. Rome perished in the same kind of destruction that they put Israel through. The great City was “starved” to death and then entered into by Barbarians and they slaughtered all of the Roman Citizens. God is a just God. His signs appear to the believers and they know the will of God. It has been prophesized that Millions of Christians will become as cannon folder in this last generation as well. They could not receive Christ’s Kingdom in them = really BORN AGAIN of THE SPIRIT making them NEW CREATION.

    Thank you Accepted for being “Kind” in your last post. I appreciate that. And I do pray for you. Not because I think you are lost or nothing. Im not any better than nobody else – just doing the best I can. You study the word as well as I and you are a lot smarter and educated than I no doubt. But any man that will seek shall find. I truly believe that. You have to be HUNGRY to Catch Gods attention today.

  34. Ummm, does anybody else want to chime in here with a comment or two?
    I am at a loss???

    Be Blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach our KING of kings.

  35. Matthew 24:11
    “And Many false prophets will arise (egeiro), and lead many astray.”

    The word “egeiro” is defined as follows by strong’s:

    ) to arouse, cause to rise

    a) to arouse from sleep, to awake

    b) to arouse from the sleep of death, to recall the dead to life

    c) to cause to rise from a seat or bed etc.

    d) to raise up, produce, cause to appear

    1) to cause to appear, bring before the public

    2) to raise up, stir up, against one

    3) to raise up i.e. cause to be born

    4) of buildings, to raise up, construct, erect

    If what is being said is going to happen, then we should rejoice, for soon we will be asked to give our testimony, so as to proclaim the gospel to all the world. In this time of darkness, the light within you will shine bright.

    “Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitfull spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.” (1 Timothy 4:1-3)

    Note how the preceding verses are one sentence. Asceticism, of any kind, neither saves nor sanctifies, “for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds a promise for the present life, and also for the life to come.” (verse 8)

    Read also 2 Timothy 3:1-9, as this pertains as well. Jannes and Jambres, though not mentioned in the Old testament were practicers of false signs and wonders. The same kind mentioned in revelation the 13:11-18 regarding the false prophet. Thus the circle completed with Matthew 24:11.

    Be wary of these kinds of “prophets”, for they are “waterless springs”, as peter puts it, and “mists driven by a storm”. In other words they hold the promise of water to quench the soul, or of “rain” but the clouds themselves do not produce rain. Note the “appearence” doesn’t match the “promise”.

    We must understand the distinction which Paul makes between “godliness”, and the teachings of these false prophets. a circumcized heart vs. a circumsized flesh.

    For great indeed, we confess is the mystery of godliness.
    Hebrews 9:28

  36. Dear Marianne and Accepted – Dru etc. – I’m saddened that you need a microwave answer for the great Hidden mysteries that are in the Word. When it gets down to where the rubber meets the Road. Most Christians cannot stand the friction. Especially futurists. We can still love you all and believe you have salvation but you cannot except us and yet we prove all our doctrines by Scripture. And by simple explanations of other ages gone by. And you say it does not get you no where. Thats why – you really believe that.

    But I would guess you spent years and years believing what you believe. Until you really Hear the truth how you know if you in the truth. Its impossible. Ask Apostle Paul. He spent years un-programming himself from a Pharisee to a Real Apostle.
    Like I’ve said it’s to simple. Jesus took the people back into the O.T. To prove the “Absolute” truth. Jesus used the Prophets to symbolize the Comings in their ages. Yet People cling to their tradition and love to have it so. Cause its a WARFARE taken by force. Tearing down Satan’s kingdom of religions. Is it that hard to read a 5 minute post. For a golden nugget of the Revelation of the Word. Here is a simple one below: Probably less that 5 minutes. About those that Pierced Christ real simple.

    REVE 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which PIERCED him: and all kindred’s of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

    JOHN 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they PIERCED. = Jesus was Pierced in all the 7 church ages. Yet future then. He had already forgiven those that pierced him in His generation.

    Pierced -1574 ekkenteo from 1537 and the base of 2759
    1. a sting, as that of bees, SCORPIONS , LOCUSTS . Since animals wound by their sting and even cause death, Paul attributes death, personified as a sting, i.e. a deadly weapon —
    2. an iron goad, for urging on oxen, horses and other beasts of burden; hence the proverb, “to kick against the goad”, i.e. to OFFER VAIN OR PERILOUS OR RUINOUS RESISTANCE – hello

    Answer –
    1. Any human being that WILL NOT accept the Salvation that Christ gave us freely. Has Pierced Jesus Christ as well.
    2. All denominations that deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ has pierced Him through as well. Substituting man/made governments over the Holy Ghost which is to govern all men’s lives.
    3. Jesus gave us power over scorpions, locusts, and the Sting of death. Paul said Death was a deadly weapon. Rejection of Christ is deadly to you.
    ( and ALL KINDREDS of the earth shall WAIL) because of HIM.
    2875 — bewail — lament — cut down — wail — mourn (1) [8]
    1) to cut, strike, smite; to cut from, cut off; to beat one’s breast for grief
    Note:- the Book of Revelation is full of grief and sorrow and pain from rejecting and Piercing Christ in their lives. DREADFUL DAY for the un-believer.

    LUKE 2:34- And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and “RISING AGAIN” of many in Israel; and FOR A SIGN which “SHALL BE SPOKEN AGAINST” ;
    Risen again — rising again — rising again — Raptured – Raptured – Resurrection, Quickened, Called out of, Caught up from death to life —

    LUKE 2:35 (Yea, a sword shall PIERCE THROUGH THY OWN SOUL also, that the “thoughts of many hearts may be revealed“.
    “thoughts of many hearts shall be revealed — “thoughts of many hearts shall be revealed – Jesus and His prophet messengers did not belong to the Illuminati — “In the love of Christ always”

    • tom

      I know the kingdom of God is really here, when I see universal peace on earth. I understand the spiritual interpretation of things, and its validity. I think there is also much to come in this world, where the kingdom of God will be more established than it is now.

    • Tom,
      my comment was not directed to you. I Actually meant that for Marianne’s new page, but for some reason i forgot to flip over there before i began typing. It is kind of coincidental that “accepted” and myself both quoted Hebrews 9:28?
      My point, there are many who are saying that the fallen angels will be unleashed in the coming days some predicting the swearing in of our president for his second term as being the day. Where we are at though, by my estimation is at the events of Matthew 24:11, and the “falling away” of those who are not what they claim. It is in the presence of these false prophets that the light of the true believers shines brightest. As I read more of Marianne’s post, she is talking of an invasion by china, not by demons, so the remark was kind of irrelevent. But the “opening of the bottomless pit” is all over the prophecy sites, and that this will occur January 20th. I was merely trying to connect the dots on who the false prophets are, and what their message is going to be.

      Like I told you before, I am not here to argue doctrine this time around, but to edify those who will listen. If your “doctrine is unsound” then you will likely fall prey to these false prophets. The separation of the tares from the assembly has begun, and will commence earnestly shortly. I do believe our Lord Jesus is coming again, and that he will “rapture” the “holy ones” who will not be allowed to witness his wrath on the wicked, as in the days of Noah. The “holy ones” are those who have been made righteous by the blood of Jesus, not by their own works. All this discussion of end time events is not a “salvation issue” (Thank God!), but rather meant to prepare us for his coming. The false prophets are preaching preparedness via asceticism, where as those who are his have faith that Jesus blood has sanctified us “once for all” as the next chapter in Hebrews discusses (10:10). (In a strange way, I think this is what you are saying: that we are redeemed already?)

      Apologies, if this seemed like an attack on you, or anyone else for that matter. It was not intended. Ever since 12/21/12 came and went, there has been a lot of “buzz” about January 20th, and I have just been looking into it on the internet.

      read James 5:19-20, This is my goal in all I write, as I am a sinner with a multitude of sins, But God’s grace is greater than all my sin. It is Jesus’ blood, and His blood alone that sanctifies.
      God bless.

    • Tom,

      (I know that I am going to probably kick myself after posting this), but could you please explain to me how you would interpret Matthew 27:51-53?

      Thanks, I’m just curious.
      Be Blessed in Messiah.

  37. Hi Tom!

    I have a couple of questions for you. Please, do not take it wrong as I’m simply curious as to your answer…that’s all!

    “Why do you refer to the Old Testament and New Testament as if they separate?”

    The Holy Scriptures are ONE BOOK written by many authors over thousands of years…which we all know.

    What most people do NOT know, is that everything in the Old Testament “supports” everything in the New Testament…there are NO contradictions…right!

    My second question is this:

    “Why then, does everyone, go to outside sources to explain passages in the Bible?” Should not ALL answers be explained strictly through referencing the Bible itself?

    If you cannot resolve an issue within the context of the Holy Scriptures themselves…then whatever answer you arrive at…is WRONG!

    Therefore, when anyone says, “God told me this…in a dream (or whatever)…” is that answer correct? NO! As the answer came from outside of the Holy Scriptures…right?

    I hope you follow what I’m saying…

  38. Forgive me, BUT, 12/21/2012. was simply the “earliest” date that the Mayan Calendar could have ended on. Accordingly, it could end on 01/13/2013, which is the latest date on which it could end.

    Therefore, we are not “out-of-the-woods”…yet!

    • Bobby,
      Sorry I did not hear about 1/13/13.
      Question for you: You do not believe in using second sources, why then is the Mayan calendar used?
      Jannes and Jambres are used as examples by Paul, but are not found in the Old testament. So was he guilty of using “external sources”.
      A lot of people interpret prophetic scripture based on current events. An “external” source.

      In fact, Much of what you and I know, “knowledge”, is based on external sources…culture/society. So the answers we arrive at, that have no scriptural basis are not “wrong”, they just are not biblical. When we understand this, we understand how little we know apart from what God has revealed. It is when we are “apart” from culture/society, that we see God’s revealed Truth in his Word without bias and assumption that we make based on our culture. “Anomie” Is what occurs when there is a breakdown of culture. When our social norms are questioned, without God, you end up with Chaos, But with God, we see Truth.

      Marxism uses this to push their revolutions in the world, But for Christians, this is where we grow in faith. Persecution only strengthens our faith, Anomie makes us see our God at work in the world. In the coming times of trouble ahead, the world will see our faith, and we will be a testimony of the redeeming work of the cross. “they will know we are Christians by our Love”. From the comments that I have read from you, I think that you are at that point. In the world but not of the world. You have had the world, and culture exposed for what it is, and yet you rejoice in your adversity, because you see there is God at work in our lives. Just like the centurion in Matthew 27: 54 saw the “Son of God” giving his testimony.
      God bless

  39. dru,

    The Mayan’s derived their calendar from studying the stars. But, they were not like the “wise men” who looked at the  same heavenly signs. Those Mayan failed to acknowledge God (Romans 1:18-25), they did they understand His calendar marked in the same heavens and did not know His measurement of a day (evening/morning), week (Sabbath), month or a year (360 days).

    Mayan’s are close, just missing the end of the age timeline given to those who put their trust in the LORD (Psalm 31). 

    Psalm 25

  40. bobby90247,

    Hi Cali,

    Let me try typing this message again, please excise me.

    The Mayan’s derived their calendar from studying the stars. But, they were not like the “wise men” who looked at the  same heavenly signs. Those Mayan guys failed to acknowledge God (Romans 1:18-25), they did not understand His calendar marked in the same heavens and did not know His measurement of a day (evening/morning), week (Sabbath), month (lunar) or a year (360 days).

    Mayan’s are close, just missing the end of the age timeline given to those who put their trust in the LORD (Psalm 31). 

    Nisan is the first month of His earthy calendar. In 2013, that begins sunset March 12th. 

    The end of the age as we read in Scriptures is underway.


    • DJ
      I agree, we are experiencing end time events…The end of the age. I am not denying that some of the signs you point to have relavence. I think that you would agree with me that Satan knows these signs and will use them to his advantage. That the false prophet will use signs and wonders to convince people to worship the beast, even having fire come down from heaven, as was the case with Elijah. In other words, it will be a very convincing “show”.

      How many people are looking for Elijah to come and put on a show like he did before? When Jesus descends from heaven with a shout, he will not need signs and wonders to prove who he is. The Only sign will be seen by all the world is found in Matthew 24:30, which is his coming. Then we enter the days of Noah.

      The fifth, sixth, and seventh trumpets are the the three “woes” The first Woe lasts five months…the Locusts, The second woe includes the two witnesses 1260 days (see rev. 11:14), and then comes the seventh trumpet, which I have proposed to be seven years. Why, because all of the events from that point on are part of this third Woe, not just the seventh trumpet, but the plagues , the mark of the beast etc. The beast rules for 42 months. So we have half of that seven years right there. We Know that Israel has one week remaining from when that “prince who is to come” shows up. By my count, that is at least seven years and fifty days consecutively described, and this does not take into account the the time periods described in revelation 12, the first five seals, and the first four trumpets, which I think that you would agree, take place before the fifth trumpet.

      My point is that we should be ready, living godly lives, full of the oil that is the Holy Spirit. Godliness should not be mistaken for asceticism (religiousity), but rather holiness, and walking with the Lord.

      So yes, the end of the age is underway, but this is not the final week of the 70 sevens of Daniel. When 2/3’s of the earths population is dead, The false messiah will say God’s Judgement has come, but in fact, this is only the beginning of the end, as that is when the day of the Lord begins.

      God bless. Psalm 146

  41. Dear Bro. Bobby – You ask “Why do you refer to the Old Testament and New Testament as if they separate?”

    I use the O.T often to prove my points of N.T beliefs. Just like Paul and Jesus did. Just in my Post to Accepted it was mostly all in the O.T bible. Which is explained the best I can say below. All the Bible is Holy Spirit Inspired writings and experiences that we should always compare to N.T beliefs. I call it Typology. I do not believe you can go wrong when the O.T and N.T blend together. I always say History and Truth blending together makes a “absolute” revelation for doctrine. The O.T is absolute history to me. Not fairy tales etc. etc.

    Gentile believers were not to conform to the “shadow” of the Law –foods, drinks, baptisms, festivals, Sabbaths, animal sacrifices, circumcision– because doing so constituted a rejection of the Body that those fleshly ordinances foreshadowed (Col. 2:16-17; Heb. 9:10). It constituted justification by works.

    The Law of Moses “HAD” a shadow (Heb. 10:1) which was not imposed upon gentile believers, and which was to pass away. The entire Law was not the “shadow”:

    Jesus said – “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill” (Matt. 5:17).

    Whatever the Lord meant by “fulfill” here, He definitely did not mean “abolish.” What was “abolished” in 70 A.D was the “shadow” of the Law –the corrupted worship-system that was centered around the hand-made Temple (Matt. 24:2; II Cor. 5:1).

    No doubt for Paul, the Law was an impotent redeemer and a condemner of natural men. But at the same time, Paul was working to “establish” the Law through the Gospel (Rom. 3:31). Christ’s imputed righteousness fulfills the requirements of that which is holy, righteous, good, useful, spiritual and living, i.e., the Law (Acts 7:38; Rom. 7:13-14; 8:4; I Tim. 1:8). Therefore, those who have the Spirit of God have been called into the “glorious Liberty” of walking in God’s Laws without fear of condemnation (Rom. 8:21):
    “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances” (Eze. 36:25-27).

    There is only one righteous, spiritual attitude toward the Law: Agreement / Submission (Rom. 7:16; 8:7). Once the Law is rejected, all that remains is corruptible, human achievement then “human judgment” (I Cor. 9:8).
    “…Behold, the days come, says the Lord, when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people, and they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (Heb. 8:8-12).

    #2 question – “Why then, does everyone, go to outside sources to explain passages in the Bible?” Should not ALL answers be explained strictly through referencing the Bible itself? – I might not be understanding this question – but I will say We should be able to back up every revelation of Gods word by scripture. Please read all of Eph. 4:8-15 – when Jesus ascended up HE gave gifts unto men. Them gifts was the 5 fold ministry. Of Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists. For the PERFECTING of the Saints. Till we come into the unity of the faith =revelation of Christ unto a PERFECT man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ 14. Henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried abut with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive. 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head even Christ. So they also can have a ministry for the edifying of the whole body of Christ. So God does send us Apostles and Prophets, anointed Pastors and Teachers. Etc etc.
    Hope this helps – Lord bless you Bro. Bobby ————————ty

  42. Bro. Accepted – I haven’t forgot you. I will get with you on Matt. 27. This is Keystone scriptures that will open up more than most think. I count it a joy to discuss it with you soon. I got a Precious Wife I have to take care of 24/7 and that demands alot of time from me. I must be with her at times. As a good companion to her in fellowship. She depends on me. God bless you. —— ty

    • Tom that’s okay, your wife is your priority and I have no problem with that at all.
      But while you are answering the above, perhaps you could also provide your interpretation of Matthew 26:31-46.
      And in doing so, explain how this is not a future event yet to take place.

      Be Blessed in Messiah.

  43. Hi Tom! Like I said…”just asking!”

    However, making reference to Paul and Matthew IS “Scriptural”…right! What I am referring to, is going OUTSIDE of Scripture to explain…Scripture. Should we NOT stay within the confines of Scripture to illuminate and explain…Scripture?

  44. God Bless You, Tom!

  45. As for the “Mayan Calendar?” I am simply making reference to comments made about it. As to whether or not it has any REAL bearing on “us?” I guess that’s left to be seen…right?

    However, from what I’ve “heard” about it (the Mayan Calendar)…the Major highlights of “our” history ARE “noted” also in it (i.e. the birth of Christ, His resurrection, the establishment of various religions, etc.)!!!

    The ONLY book I’ve read on this (and it was many years ago) is, “The Mayan Connection” by, Jose Arguiles (not sure about the spelling) which was written quite some time ago!!! I “believe” from his book, all these other fallacies were “made-up!”

    Take Care and God Bless!

  46. sorry DJ, but the Mayan Calendar is MORE accurate than anything we have today,,,PERIOD!

  47. Hi dru!

    I like this:

    “…My point is that we should be ready, living godly lives, full of the oil that is the Holy Spirit. Godliness should not be mistaken for asceticism (religiousity), but rather holiness, and walking with the Lord…”

    AND I “whole-heartedly” agree with you on this!

  48. Hi Tom! Thank You! However, the Old Testament is part of the New Testament! The Scriptures are ONE BOOK.

    I wish I had a better memory so I could show you an example, BUT…I don’t!

    So bear with me for a couple of days while I “look up” what I am referring too!


  49. dru,

    Oh, really? “PERIOD!”

    Wow, my reply must have it something spiritual. Blessings to you in the name of Yeshua. 

    God made the moon, stars and His calendar never changed – it is very accurate. Man (Mayan, Egyptian, Rome then a pope, and Chinese etc), changed His calendar to meet alternative plans (works of devil). Even the Hebrews lost track of years. 

    Those calendars are working as designed within “cultures” and religions (even “New Age”) as another tool to distract cultures from recognizing/acknowledging God as the creator of  the heavens, time/seasons.

    A blessed “Period”‘to His creation and calendar. 

    The end of the age began on a Fall Feast Day (God’s appointment time) and will end on a specific day/hour that falls on a Fall Feast Day. We just don’t know the exact day/hour of that Feast. 

    We don’t know the hour because a day is measured by the number of hours of daylight.

    “The duration of a Hebrew Hour varies with the season. A Hebrew Day Hour is shorter in duration during winter when a Hebrew Night Hour is longer in duration. A Hebrew Day Hour is longer in duration during summer when a Hebrew Night Hour is shorter in duration.”

    To learn more about God’s calendar and clock (to hell with Mayan’s work), go here:

    Research God’s Appointment times (Feast). It is not eating, but a convocation/meeting at His appointed time. 

    There are two sites for this lesson in God’s calendar, these will lead you to other lessons.

    We all will know the end of this age is clearly upon us before the next Feast Day, which is Passover ~ beginning sun down on Nisan 14th. Then, 1260 days later ~ the “day/hour”‘of that last Fall Feast, which ends this age and begins the next age ~ according to God’s calendar.

    Psalm 1 (Amplified Bible Translation)

    • Hi DJ,

      Above you say, “Research God’s Appointment times (Feasts). It is not eating, but a convocation/meeting at His appointed time.”
      I would wholeheartedly agree with that statement!

      Therefore I ask for you to read this, (provided in the link below), in its entirety.
      In my opinion you don’t believe in, and have omitted a very significant aspect regarding theses Moedim.
      The presentation is long, but very well presented and may just place you into a position of blessed reconsideration regarding some things?

      As you know, on March 15th. 2012 I had my 40th. anniversary of being born again, and I wasn’t expecting anything out of the ordinary to occur at all.
      Yet on April 17th. I felt the presence of the Lord ask me to start a fast. (Prior to this I had never fasted before once.)
      So having started this fast, I started to have Visions each night consecutively for the next 7 days, with the last Vision on April 23rd. 2012, being 40 days after my 40th. year anniversary.

      You are also aware that this last vision was of the text of Revelation 1:3. as recorded in the King James Version with the last 5 words, “THE TIME IS AT HAND” vibrating and shimmering and in larger type, and that while looking at these words shimmering, I then heard and audible Voice proclaim them out loud with authority. (which I don’t mind saying at all, totally freaked me out!)

      Now, this fast ended up lasting for a total of 40 days, (which consequently happened to leave me exactly 40 lbs. lighter to boot) but what is significant here is this, the fast itself culminated on Shavu’ot, and that during this fast I understood that the “gathering or rapture” would take place on that date.
      I had previously thought and believed that it would take place on Yom Teru’ah, but know during that time I was confident that it was going to definitely be on the last Shavu’ot, and was amazed and totally confused when it didn’t occur. However, simply because it didn’t occur on the last one, does not mean that it won’t on one in the future.
      Nonetheless, in this link that I have provided below, (that I just found yesterday), you may find some of what is said quite interesting, (as I hope that some others will as well).

      Be Blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach, our Most Holy and Precious Savior.


      Here’s the link….

      P.S. This is a different study than what I had emailed to a few other choice people that are close to my heart a few days ago.
      This is more specific to the date and the feast itself, and its prophetic significance.

      Again be Blessed in Messiah.


  50. dru,

    Blessings to you in the reading of His word.

    “Father God, in the name of Jesus, fill dru and I with the knowledge of Your will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding. 

    I ask that we walk worthy of our Lord and Savior, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge Father God.

    Father, strengthened us with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy. 

    I give thanks to You, Father God, because You qualified Believers to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.

    Jesus, you have delivered me from the power of darkness and given unto me the kingdom of Your love. In You Jesus, I have redemption through Your blood, the forgiveness of all my sins.

    Father God, thank you for hearing and answering this prayer that comes from Your word as written by Paul.

    In Jesus name I pray, Amen.

    (Colossians 1:9-14, NKJV).

    • Blessiings to you as well,

      3 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. 3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is your[a] life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

      5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you:[b] sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming.[c] 7 In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. 8 But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self[d] with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. 11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave,[e] free; but Christ is all, and in all.

      Collossians 3:1-11

    • DJ,
      Look up Shabbat Shuva. The only sabbath between the feast of trumpets and Yom Kippur. Shuva means return, as in the return of the Jews from the wilderness, to which they are sent after the abomination and war occurs. This also marks the beginning of the ministry of the two witnesses. 1260 days from that date in 2016 happens to hit on the final sabbath of the year before Nisan 1. You believe it all began Oct 9th 2009, when an announcement of a crown to be given to the rider on the white horse, whereas I start my count on december 10th, Kislev 24 of that year The day he accepted that crown. 1260 days from your date is Purim, 1260 days from my date is Lag B’Omer, the 33rd day of the unleavened bread.

      1260 days from Purim 2013 is august 7th 2016, a normal day as per the hebrew calendar, 1260 days from Lag B’omer is shabbat shuva of 2016, another 1260 days from that shabbat shuva, is

      • Oops!
        …is shabbat HaChodesh, the final sabbath of the old year before Nisan 1. The end of the age. So yes, I have taken the Jewish calendar into account. We have a difference of 62 days in start date, we agree on who the rider on the white horse is, we agree on what the “prize” given to him is. Both our counts start on significant days in the Word of God (see haggai 2:20-23 for Kislev 24). Where we do not agree, is that there is another seven years after that for Israel to accomplish what is stated in Daniel 9:24. “To annoint a most holy place”…Passover marked this annointing. The first feast of the new year. My seven year count ends on the eighth day of passover in 2027. which is 1290+1335 days from that Shabbat Hachodesh in 2020. Now I think that the last thing to occur is that Israelly people will annoint a most holy place. Just as the Israelites upon entering God’s promised land celebrated Passover first, before “entering God’s rest” (See Hebrews 4 here)

        2026/27 is exactly 80 years from 1947, when israel became a nation. It is exactly 2 millenial days from the beginning of God’s kingdom which began with the ministry of John the baptist, as per the word of Jesus himself (Ca 26 ad). There are 6 more “counts”, that come solely from the bible that point to 2026/2027, which start from creation, or The year the Israelites entered the Holy land. Yet everyone denies that this year is of any significance. There are exactly 28 years from 1998 to 2026/27 Matching the four birds sent out by Noah from the ark. The second to last dove returned with an Olive branch, while the Last dove did not return having found his rest (home). Yet people still deny that this year is of any significance.

        What would this lead you to conclude? If you were given absolute proof that you cannot refute of a certain year, which marks the end of the wrath of God, yet people insist that it is seven years before that, knowing full well that there is coming someone who wants to “appear” to be the Messiah and requiring his worship. These people would rather stick with “external” sources, I choose to stick with the Word of God, and the Word of God alone. I did not ask for this, HE gave this to me, and I am presenting it here. I am not a prophet, Nor do I claim to be Elijah. I am human, i make mistakes. But for me not to say anything is putting blood in my hands. So i “speak”.

        That being said, I respect the work you have done. As well as the work others have done. This is the “work” I have done, for the edification of the church. You are welcome to respect it or disrespect it. take it to heart or ignore it. All I can say, is that everything fits into this theory perfectly, including the rapture, which you deny. I have a big problem with that part of your theory. Forget about pre trib, post trib, or mid trib, The rapture is all of these, as it is pre-wrath, Mid end times, and post end of the age. I know that the whole church will face the fifth seal. And that the overcomers from all the seven churches are his bride, not just the church of Philadelphia. I have tried to bring peace to the church, regarding these disputes. I have tried to knock down pride in the church, and the exclusivity that the Philadelphia church proponents push, by not being ashamed to be a Laodicean church member (overcomer). As the verses from Collossians point out, There is neither greek nor jew, slave nor free….Philadelphian nor Laodicean. Ironically, this Letter was directed to be read in Laodicea by Paul. 4:16, The letter written to Laodicea is associated with Ephesians. These two letters should be seen in conjunction with one another.
        God bless

      • dru,

        Regarding the opening of the first seal:

        Scripture says (pick your translation), “and a crown was given to him…” (Greek word “prize”). There is no word “receiving” the crown or that event date being the opening of the 1st Seal.

        He was awarded/given the Nobel Peace Prize during the Feasts of Tabernacles. Then, within hours of the announcement of their decision to award BHO, the chosen one accepted the crown. Please read the news as posted in this PBS link.

        Since we agree that he is the rider of the white horse – let’s not split hairs. With this news you can complete a recalculation from 10/09/2009.

        Therefore, the mid-point is a day after winter and before Sabbath (Passover), 2013 (Matthew 14:20).

        There is  no “Pre-Trib”. There is no “Mid-Trib” “rapture”of wise virgins, leaving foolish virgins and “Jews” behind. No need to try to appease all parties. We are
        gathered up to Him (aka “raptured) at the “last trump” (Matthew 24:30-31), after the tribulation of those days (Daniel’s 7 day week).

        (Please read my reply to Accepted regarding the confident I have in Christ, my Savior and Lord. I’ll post another reply tomorrow).

        My understanding on our
        current position within the 7 years (Daniel’s timeline and seal 1,2 and 3) is clearly explained within this link.

        However, since posting
        “Signs in the Heavens”, the Lord led me to comprehend more in regards to Joel 2:1-11 (The Lord’s Army), Isaiah 65 (servants), Matthew 24:19 (pregnant = Nicodemus),
        Matthew 25:1-5 (seeking oil from the wise) and the 144,000. These verses are applicable to the days/months ahead (James 5:7-11).

        We all will know (beyond a doubt), more about of the end of the age and His soon coming by what we see (Matthew 24:15) and the  spiritual and  physical experiences in the coming weeks. New oil and wine are coming soon! 

        When Marianne posts “The Lost Ark? God Forbid!, we can enter
        into a discourse on all the above.

        BTW, there is no 7 weeks or 7 more years added where time you propose. Such a “theory” extends “those days”.
        You are now adding to the book (Rev. 22:18) by adding time to Daniel’s week –  more time than is required to accomplish His purpose. Think about it as you read Matthew 24:22.
        Psalm 1 (Amplified Bible Translation)

        • DJ
          No, actually if you sit and do a count from october 9th 2009, of 1260 days, You come out at february 25th, Shusan purim, if you do a count of 1290, you end up on Pasach III, March 27th. So you and the ones you took that theory from are off by five days, or 25 days, depending on which count you use. There are a whole lot of days out there that are neither the sabbath nor the winter, you have picked one of many.

          The reason why I told marianne I am leaving for a time, is because you will not admit you are wrong until it stares you in the face, because you have the nicolaitan spirit which wants to dictate to the laity what they should believe. To rule over the Laity.

          This is why I stated that when I first sent an email to you, with my dates for your consideration. That you had left that particular spirit out, when you wrote on wormwood and leviathan.

          It is your way or the highway, but just remember what is said in Matthew 26:31-46. And to Peter, thrice, after he denied Jesus three times.

          Everyone disputing your theory has a “demonic spirit” by your count, and is akin to the witch trials of Salem, Massachusetts. The churches have been suckers for this sort of charismatic dictatorial rule. I see through it, for good or for ill. That is why ask: “can the teacher be taught? This is not saying that I am above a teacher, but that our great teacher (rabbi) is Jesus, and him alone. Each of us here on Earth who have the Holy Spirit, Learn from each other if we have a receptive Spirit (Look up the greek word “khoreo”, to receive. Implied in its definition is to “Make room for, as in a guest”). It is when we understand that apart from the Spirit of others we know nothing, and that where 1 or 2 are gathered, there Jesus is, that you come to learn something. So yes, you may be casting out demons in his name, but because you are not receptive to the Holy Spirit in others, and willing to learn from them, you have not known him.

          The first, shall be last, and the last first. This is what Jesus said of his kingdom. When the disciples were bickering at who was to sit on the right hand of Christ during supper, he squashed their desires by equating this to the “lording done by the greeks”. This attitude has no place in the church. (emphasis on the period) The fact that you only attack people who disagree with you has exposed this in you. Whether it is Janet Herscu, Accepted, or any other that believes in the “blessed hope of a rapture”, or those who do not agree that it will end as you say.

          I could well be wrong on my theory, or my dates, but my goal was to bring balance to yours. to keep the hope alive in those you choose to attack. I suggest that you take time to pray, and repent. And get to know “God with us”, who is within each and everyone who are his, before you go and try to attack those you see as “wolves”, because they do not agree with you.

          With regard to rev.6, a crown “given to him”, How can a crown be given to someone who is not there to receive it? Yes, an announcement was made, and it was acknowledged by the receipient, but the ceremony did not occur until 62 days later. Who is “right” here? I have also said, “it is not about me being right, it is us getting it right” Us getting it right is an attitude, me being right is personal pride and esteem” When we have a right attitude “Humility, servitude” then the Lord will take care of the rest.

          I say this in all love for you, as I wish nothing more than for you to see the truth. But as the old saying goes, man is not an Island, and the church is not a one man show, but rather we all work together for the good of the body. I am by no means perfect. I get dirty, having touched the World and the sin therein. But the skin is there to keep the inner and more sensitive organs safe. I was once very much like you, though I did not cast demons out, the dictatorial nature was there. The Lord wisely “shut me up” for 20 years, and even now I have a hard time speaking these things vocally to people. It was then that I was like the prodigal son, only wishing to be his servent, yet he killed the fattened calf for me. I deserved nor will i ever deserve any of what he has given me. It is after all, a gift.

          So may I suggest, that you try and walk in someone elses shoes, And test the Spirits, and if they are from God, then receive them. Because, if you do not, then you may well be blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

          Take care, my brother, and Shalom. I will be absent for a while, so you can choose to regain that authority, or you can walk in the footsteps of Christ who is Lord of all. May I suggest that you go and “feed his sheep”.

          goodbye all Isaiah 66:1-2

          • No one here is “spritually superior” to others here, to the extent that they can label someone else as a “nicolaitan.”

            that is name calling and passing judgements.

            so try to harness passions and think a little more clearly.

          • dru,

            Hope you read this – because such personal comments made in an open forum requires a personal reply openly. 

            My fellowship is with Belivers locally not on-line or in this forum.

            I meet with (one-to-one) 3 men who attend different churches. We confess sins, share dreams, visions and words of knowledge, reading the word and praying. We function as The Body of Christ.

            I meet with 2 married couples freqently – dinner and fellowship (praying / reading the word). I’m single and pray for my former wife – she remains beloved.

            I participate (active listening) in 3 midweek bible studies held in 3 different churches.

            One of these churches is a very large “Pre-“Tribber”  Conservstive Baptist Church – it is a men’s group numbering 120. Been seated with a table of 8 guys for 2 years. We meet Thursdays from 6am – 7:30 am. 

            Another bible study is a very small penticostal church associated with the Church of God. This was the fellowship where Jesus came into our bible study on November 14, 2012.  We felt His presence and He gave a word of knowledge to the pastor (not me), thank you Lord.

            The Lord said (not to me) to the Pastor, “prepare strategiclly”.  This was after one woman told us He pointed her to read John 4 regarding the harvest on 4 months a few days before and I said He pointed me to Joel 2:21-24 a couple of years ago. 

            That night, the Lord confirmed out reading of His word.

            It ain’t about me, it’s about Him.  Don’t make this about me. 

            There is a revial coming not a rapture….the gathering unto Him comes later and I’m not setting a date for a “rapture”.

            The Lord said (through Scripture the spoke word), prepare for the hearvest. The threshing floor will be full (Joel 2:23-24). There will be new oil and wine. 

            The 3rd bible study is with a non-denominational and very diverse (age, race, ethnicty, nationality) group of men on Saturday morning from 10:30 am until sometimes 12:30.

            I meet with 2 men (diverse in age and race) regularly. In additon, I meet with 2 other men (diverse in age and race), once in a while and we share the word and pray. I listen too. 

            Therefore, if DJ can and does participate with Believers of various church fellowships comfortably: openly dialogue, reading the Word, sharing with those that speak in tongues and with those that are skeptical, sharing with those that are Pre-Tibbers and those that don’t care, teaching and praying with those that say there is a Holy Spirit but deny the power thereof (when I accept), and all the other diversity with multiple fellowship groups and individuals – I think that my desire to be open to others is evident, but you only see written words.

            You suppose a demon of “unteachable”? 

            I accept that distant assessment, bringing this to the Lord and Holy Spirit.

            Spiritual discernment and testing spirits? This is ongoing and non-stop, thank you Holy Spirit.

            Just in this past last 2 weeks, I searched my heart for any demonic oppression and identified two, thank you Spirit. I am furvent in preparing my vessel.

            On January 1st, my Good Shepherd ministered deliverance to me, thank you Lord. Painful as those demons left my body. Ouch!

            Work out your salvation with fear and trembling  applies. For the record, I’ve experienced deliverance many times. One deliverance session over a year ago was 4 hours long. That demon was very stubborn. 

            An abbreviated list of my deliverance I listed in “Wormwood = Spirit of Bitterness”.

            Blessed hope of rapture? 

            I long to go home. I cry to be with my Father in heaven, with my Savior and Lord, to experience the joy of the Spirit fully, to be with my friend (angles) and family. By death or gathering up – either way there is a blesses hope!

            My blessed hope is in the King of kings and Lord of lord. The Blood of the Lamb covers me, making righteous before the Father. I love sinners but hate the sin. I pray non-stop for the ones the He places upon my heart. 

            So, you can’t stay around Heaven Awaits because of me: replies and posts? Okay.

            Psalm 20

  51. Hello DJ! “…to Hell with the Mayan Calendar…”??? WOW! That’s kinda’ harsh…isn’t it?

    Where was Jesus during those days when He was in the “Wilderness?”

    Do you know?

    • He was right outside of town! he did not go far from home

    • bobby90247

      Regarding the Mayan calendar going to hell – there was no hesitation and there is no regrets (thank you editor), in my word choice.

      All that particular calendar represents (design and application) is a piece of worship to a god.

      Its design was the work of the devil through men that sacrificed humans to their god.

      Their calendar continues to meet Satan’s strategic plan (steal, kill and destroy), by having people (from New Agers to “foolish virgins”) consider it’s “truth” and
      seek it’s knowledge (study) and not spend time seeking Truth (study the Word).

      Therefore, all that the Mayan calendar represents (false god, pagan religion) belongs in hell.

      You see, I hate every false way.

      “I am your servant; give me understanding, so that I can know your instruction. The time has come for Adonai to act,
      because they are breaking your Torah. Therefore I love your mitzvot more than gold, more than fine gold. Thus I direct my steps by [your] precepts;
      every false way I hate” (Psalm 119:125-128, Complete Hebrew Bible).

      By experience (thank you Lord),
      I have cast out demons from
      the flesh (believers in Christ as
      Savior and Lord), and oppressive demonic spirits from buildings.

      Under the power of the Spirit, I confronted witches in church -sending them out.

      I rebuked voodoo curses on my back and demonic attacks on my heart. Painful – but by His power and His name overcoming and obtained the victory. A practical education of evil, thank you Lord. 

      Today, I’m smelling out and hunting down wolves in sheep’s clothing, thank you Lord!

      There are wolves in the pulpit of “evangelical” churches too. 

      I hate evil but love the person (soul), wanting with all my heart that all souls be saved by the Blood of the Lamb.

      Psalm 18, 27, 71

  52. NOT! Wrong Answer! Try again!

  53. Bobby,
    I am not condemning anyone for looking at the Mayan calendar. I am Just saying that if you base your theology around that then you are deceiving yourself. The Word of God is our guide, and he set up a calendar that is still relevent, and in use today. Yes, “Adjustments” have been made, but Passover is still in the spring, and there is only one of these per gregorian year. In fact the only feast of any significance that can occur twice in one year is Channukah, and even that is only the final three days of the feast. And this only happens once in a lifetime.

    It is these adjustments that make most counts of 2520 days not work out. In other words, 2520 days from this Yom kippur does not fall on Yom Kippur in the year 2020. It actually falls 2556 days later, even a 1260 and 1290 count is off by several days.

    Regarding your question, are you saying that the wilderness of Jesus temptation is elsewhere, such as south or central america? Cause if you are, then you need to prove that from the Word of God. “Scripture interprets scripture, as you like to point out.”? Obviously for the third temptation he was on the temple mount in Jerusalem, was he “Not”?

  54. Bro. Bobby – was you talking about the ONE Book I mentioned as the Bible. It’s both a “Book of Life” – and the “Lambs book of life” The World has life but only those that are Born again are in the “Lambs book of life”.
    There have been many covenants in the O.T Bible. Till Christ fulfilled them all at Calvary.
    But even the Covenant of Christ got lost in the Mix because of False teachers in the Dark Ages. Changing Christs Covenant to their own way of thinking. That is the problem even to this day.
    Restoration has come though. And Jesus has restored all that the palmer, locust, catepillar etc. ate away from it. And we again have ALL truth of the “Original” Covenant of Christ. God bless you Brother. ty

  55. Bro. Accepted — I have had company most all weekend. Im working on the Matt. 27 and should post it to you tomorrow if things go well. Just wanted you to know. I have not forgot you. God bless – talk to you soon. —— ty

  56. I did not say anything about what you mentioned in this last post…did I?

    Nope! I simply asked a question. That’s all, yet…you have gone ahead a “presumed” I meant something else without my even “hinting” at anything else!

    Forgive me…as this is NOT my intention to point this out as I did NOT expect this from you.

    NOW…you have taken my original question into a whole different direction which I will NOT continue.

    Take Care and God Bless!

    • Forgive me Bobby, but your noncommittal and vague style of writing leads one to “presume”. As the bible says, let your yes be yes, and your no be no.
      So where is the wilderness Jesus was taken to, if not outside of Jerusalem?? If you do not want others to presume, then stop “hinting”.

      Catch my “drift”?

  57. No, Tom, as I said…give me a couple of days to show you an example of what I’m talking about.

    Forgive me for NOT being as resourceful as the rest of you here with remembering the parts of Scripture I’m referring too!


  58. Marianne,
    from the lack of response, I think that I have brought balance back to the predominant theory out there. Thank you for allowing me to come back. I will stop by from time to time to comment, if you are so gracious to allow it. I just want you to know that it is not me who is bringing confusion to this site, despite the fact that I am labeled as such.
    To all who have a heart for God, and are waiting for the second coming, God bless. I know i rub people the wrong way, but then that is part of my calling. Hopefully this challenge to your beliefs will make them grow. Hopefully you have learned to digest meat now. It does not taste as good as milk and cookies, but it will make you stronger.

    Thank you all for being patient with me.
    Jesus is Lord of all.

    • dru

      You are welcome to discuss your opinion and the reasons why you believe.

      Different viewpoints do not have to be considered “confusion.” The only time this would be disagreeable is if someone insinuated that others believed a wrong concept then criticized them for it.

      Misjudging others and their salvation, or their standing with the Lord, would be considered going over the line.

      I learned to digest meat a long time ago.

      I am glad you like to eat meat also.


      • Thanks Marianne,
        I am not here to judge, Only to show the Bible has a lot more going for it than these “third world” prophecies. The Word of God inspires me. I am left in awe, everytime I read it.

        Do you remember those 3d posters back in the 90’s, which just looked like a bunch of dots or patterns, To see the 3d image in the poster you had to focus your gaze beyond the poster? That is How I see the bible, when I am only looking at it, they are just words on a page, but when my focus is on Christ, the whole 3d image comes into focus. Many people, to this day cannot see that 3d image. Look upon the face of Christ, as he is watching us, and his words will shine with brilliance and understanding. His humility, his love, his sacrifice for us, and his kindness are what every word points to. And the redemption of Israel will fill in the last pieces of the picture.

        God bless.

        • dru

          I think we will all be ok as long as mercy triumphs judgement. this way we give into the heart of Christ, instead of our own thoughts. God is the best judge, and we submit to him

  59. Excuse me? “…vague & noncommittal…” I don’t think so! I’m NOT vague about what I “KNOW” about God, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Scriptures and I am very committed to them! I am NOT committed to “changing” your “drift”…the Lord above will see to that.

    As I said, I will NOT continue with this as you have already decided you know better…just as “other’s” have in years gone by.

    Don’t worry…I’m NOT condemning you OR saying you’re wrong as you have already indicated that I AM! On the contrary, you “may” be right, for I DO agree with much about what you write! I really don’t know, but, I’ll tell you one thing “…only God can judge me…” as Tupac Shakur, once said.

    With that said, “I withdraw my question about the ‘wilderness'”

  60. Hi DJ!

    To accept someone’s interpretation of the Mayan Calendar to be of:

    “…Regarding the Mayan calendar going to hell – there was no hesitation and there is no regrets (thank you editor), in my word choice.

    All that particular calendar represents (design and application) is a piece of worship to a god.

    Its design was the work of the devil through men that sacrificed humans to their god…”

    is wrong! “That” is a corrupted presentation of what this (the Mayan Calendar) represents just as the Pharisees and the Roman Catholic Church have done to The Holy Scriptures! “IF” we were to go by your judgement, then we would have to through the entire Bible “out-the-door” because of what the Catholic Church has “used it for!”


    Do you believe in “aliens” (as in, NOT human)???

    • bobby90247


      I’m to busy dealing with demons, witches and witchcraft/voodoo. 

      When I see an alien – I’ll deal with it then. 

      Until then, get ready for a time (3.5 years) of great testing.

      After preparing with standard Cali earthquake materials and emergency kit, read James 5:8 “establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.”

      How does one establish their heart?

      I suggest applying Paul’s prayer as a personal prayer because it
      is the Word of God (Ephesians 3:13-21).

      Father God, hear my prayer because I know that the blood of
      Your Son covers me, presenting righteous before You. The fervent prayers of a righteous soul is heard, thank You. 

      Father God, grant me according to the riches of YourSon’s glory, to be strengthened with all might through His Spirit in my inner soul that Christ may dwell in my heart through faith; that I being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what…it is to know the love of Christ…; that I may be filled with all the fullness of You.

      Thank you Father God.

      In Jesus name, Amen.

  61. DJ,

    If I could, I would respectfully ask that you put aside your current discussion with bobby regarding “aliens and the Mayan calendar” and read in its entirety the link that I posted to you earlier, (January 6th. @ 6:45pm. above).

    There is far too much information within Scripture that would do more than suggest in a particular event, than for you to simply proclaim it won’t occur.
    I will post it all again for you below.

    Hi DJ,

    Above you say, “Research God’s Appointment times (Feasts). It is not eating, but a convocation/meeting at His appointed time.”
    I would wholeheartedly agree with that statement!

    Therefore I ask for you to read this, (provided in the link below), in its entirety.
    In my opinion you don’t believe in, and have omitted a very significant aspect regarding theses Moedim.
    The presentation is long, but very well presented and may just place you into a position of blessed reconsideration regarding some things?

    As you know, on March 15th. 2012 I had my 40th. anniversary of being born again, and I wasn’t expecting anything out of the ordinary to occur at all.
    Yet on April 17th. I felt the presence of the Lord ask me to start a fast. (Prior to this I had never fasted before once.)
    So having started this fast, I started to have Visions each night consecutively for the next 7 days, with the last Vision on April 23rd. 2012, being 40 days after my 40th. year anniversary.

    You are also aware that this last vision was of the text of Revelation 1:3. as recorded in the King James Version with the last 5 words, “THE TIME IS AT HAND” vibrating and shimmering and in larger type, and that while looking at these words shimmering, I then heard and audible Voice proclaim them out loud with authority. (which I don’t mind saying at all, totally freaked me out!)

    Now, this fast ended up lasting for a total of 40 days, (which consequently happened to leave me exactly 40 lbs. lighter to boot) but what is significant here is this, the fast itself culminated on Shavu’ot, and that during this fast I understood that the “gathering or rapture” would take place on that date.
    I had previously thought and believed that it would take place on Yom Teru’ah, but know during that time I was confident that it was going to definitely be on the last Shavu’ot, and was amazed and totally confused when it didn’t occur. However, simply because it didn’t occur on the last one, does not mean that it won’t on one in the future.
    Nonetheless, in this link that I have provided below, (that I just found yesterday), you may find some of what is said quite interesting, (as I hope that some others will as well).

    Be Blessed in Yeshua HaMashiach, our Most Holy and Precious Savior.


    Here’s the link….

    P.S. This is a different study than what I had emailed to a few other choice people that are close to my heart a few days ago.
    This is more specific to the date and the feast itself, and its prophetic significance.

    Again be Blessed in Messiah.

    • Accepted,

      Got’a be Tuesday or Wedneday before I can reply. I look forward to reading the link and give thought/learning.

      It’s been an interesting day on Heaven Awaits. Glad I met with a friend over lunch, sharing our joy in the Lord and struggles.

      On a side note, my (proud) University of Arizona Wildcats are undefeated and #3 in the country. Don’t think there will be college basketball next season – seal 4 should be open and active by then. So….Go Arizona Wildcats!

      Psalm 40

  62. “Right on, DJ!”

  63. To Bro. Accepted and all — MATT. 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53. And came out of the graves after his RESURRECTION, and went into the holy city, and APPEARED unto many.
    1.– Coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy City and were manifested [or “disclosed”] to many.” –
    2.– Your body could be buried in tombs, dirt. ocean, volcano etc.. You will not see no dirt pilled up in the cemeteries all over the world as I was taught years ago.
    3.–Your Celestial Body or Spirit-man is the one that RISES AGAIN – It is the real you. It will look like you and you will be known as your known after you die in the natural death in the flesh.
    4.–The Rising again – Resurrection and or Rapture or Appearing while on earth will affect change in your Physical man as well by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Ghost power helps you Conquer all things.

    RESURRECTION 450 gr.- raise up from laying down– to raise up from the dead– ,cause to be born, —to cause to appear, to rise, stand up
    of those who leave a place to go elsewhere; To rise – risen –

    COLO.3:1-4 If ye then be RISEN with Christ, SEEK those things which are ABOVE , where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. =
    1.This simple scripture taken literally tells you to seek heavenly things in your resurrected, or risen body on things Above.
    1.a – Meaning you are still on Earth. As a heavenly angel being right now.(explained below) – Already risen and seated with Christ Eph. 2:1-6

    RISEN -4891 – rise with – raise up together – to raise together, to cause to raise together; to raise up together from MORTAL death to a new and blessed life dedicated to God. When? NOW while on earth- St. John 3:11-13
    Who we Rising together with = Jesus Christ – but we still on the ground.

    Col. 3:2. Set your AFFECTION on things above, not on things on the earth.=obvious you are still on the ground — Affection is a clear understanding = A New Birth is “resurrection” which brings a NEW understanding of Life. Its your “Revelation” that takes you up into the heavenlies. Your Revelation is a Resurrection and or Rapture. How high can you go in Christ. It will sure take you out of this world. Now

    Col.3:3- For ye are DEAD, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
    DEAD – means Spiritually dead, to perish- of eternal death, of mortal death
    Yes we are to be like Paul and DIE daily. To the mortal man, We were all spiritually dead. Then Christ came and we were RISEN with HIM.
    Paul Mortified his body ver. 5- means count as dead- We were all Spiritually dead to Christ before or Resurrection. After Christ we mortify the flesh man.

    Col.3:4 -When Christ, who is our LIFE =zoe, SHALL APPEAR , then shall YE ALSO APPEAR with him in GLORY –
    4a. We all must have a Mt. Transfiguration with Jesus and w/Moses and Elijah. I will try and explain this statement in another post in future.
    Life here ZOE = Eternal life – when NOW on Earth. Our Celestial man comes alive when we get Born Again and Kills the Old man the human Spirit which feeds the flesh man. Mortifying that Old man said Paul daily.

    CHRIST SHALL APPEAR – on Earth to disciples= Then we shall “appear” with him in glory. Mt. Transfiguration-Jesus raised up on earth and came back down to earth. A beloved Son – hear ye him. We are Transformed, Translated, and have a Transfiguration as well. The last being your glorified body. Yes on earth. Rom. 8:30

    1. APPEAR-5319-5457-5316-5346
    5319 gr. – be manifest–(Show one’s self) to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way —
    ALSO make actual and visible, realized; to make known by teaching; to become manifest, be made known; of a person, expose to view, make manifest, to show one’s self, appear; to become known, to be plainly recognized, thoroughly understood: who and what one is –

    5457 (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays, — light – fire
    1a. the light: emitted by a lamp, a heavenly light such as SURROUNDS ANGELS when they appear on earth
    “metaph“ God is light because light has the extremely delicate, subtle, pure, brilliant quality
    2b) of truth and its knowledge, together with the spiritual purity associated with it
    2c) that which is exposed to the view of all, openly, publicly
    2d) reason, mind; the power of understanding esp. moral and spiritual truth
    5316 – appear – shine — be seen — seem — think
    5346 – to make known one’s thoughts, to declare, to say

    Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them UTTERANCE .

    UTTERANCE – 5457- 5316 – 5319 – 5346 – same as to APPEAR
    Same as LIGHT AND VOICE–1Jh. 1:5, Rev.16:17, Rev.18:23, Rev. 21:24, Rev. 22:5 And many, many more.

    1.– Remember that the Same power of the Resurrection was given to the “Alive” Church on the Day of Pentecost which was just 50 days from this advent in Matt. 27:51-53 of the “dead saints” being resurrected.
    4.– Just as Paul taught would be. Each in their own order – Dead first then those that are alive and remain can receive the same Resurrection as did the saints who resurrected from their dead bodies of dust to rise with Jesus Christ. We are just living in a dead dust body till Christ raises us up as well.
    5. the Above proves the 2nd. Death is not a theory it is the truth that has already happen while on earth. You are already in the “Kingdom of God.”
    Next message -I want to try and Prove by the Written Word of God the Resurrection places us into the Kingdom of God.
    The Resurrection is what it is ALL ABOUT having Jesus Christ living in us.

    JOHN 14:18-21 – I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU=PERSONALLY. Come IN this verse is the same as Rev.1:7. You will see HIM Manifest = appear Himself at your resurrection of a New Creation. This is pretty plain. it’s the “Coming of the Lord Christ” it’s a “APOCALYPTIC PERSONAL” ADVENT TO ALL AND EVERY BELIEVER THAT HAS BEEN BORN AGAIN WHILE ON EARTH. – just like when John WAS IN THE SPIRIT ON THE LORDS DAY.

    • Hi Tom,

      Well in my opinion you were doing okay until you got to your 4th. point. (Way up there in the very beginning.)

      It has become blatantly obvious to me that those that believe as you do, fail, (in my opinion) in making certain distinguishing factors and will instead, take a particular word and make it applicable as having the same context in each and every instance it is utilized.

      Though I will most certainly agree that if one does not quench the Holy Spirit, He will mould that individual more into the likeness of Yeshua.
      However, it will take an actual “resurrection” before any of us are raised in a spiritual body, and become like angels.

      Paul speaks about this in detail within 1 Corinthians 15., and I have attempted to explain all of this to you before to no avail. Instead you are happy to remain in that which you currently believe.

      I really don’t see the point in attempting again.
      I wish you blessings in our Lord Yeshua HaMashiach nonetheless.


  64. Mark 12:25 I know for myself…I am NOT like an “Angel!” Therefore what you have mentioned above is “WRONG!” This has NOT happened here on EARTH! WE are NOT in the Kingdom of Heaven as yet! (Even though, we are in a way as EVERY THING is within the Kingdom of Heaven…IF you want to look at things from that viewpoint)

    In Heaven, there are NO marriages as we will be “like” the Angels.

    Sorry Tom, but your “theory”…simply does NOT pan out!

    Please…take into consideration that what Jesus said is for those that were there with him, everything makes sense for that period in time. It also makes sense for those between then, and NOW. However, He also said that the real message about the “End Times” would be sealed until…this TIME!

    While there are many references to Israel, Jerusalem, etc., you must remember that these are also the name of “tribes”…and in the End Times…He IS talking about the “descendants” of those tribes and who is following the “ways” of those tribes of yesteryear.

    If you reverse your thinking and put the people parts as literal, and the physical parts as “spiritual” (for lack of a better term)…then you will see the truth as Jesus laid it out!

    I.e. the people of Israel (spiritual)…rather than the country AND, the physical bodies of man “changing” taking another physical form (not spiritual as you have indicated).

    You are trying to “hold on” to this world, Tom, and you must “let it go!”

    I’m NOT debating anything here with you…just posing another way of looking at this.

  65. Dear Brothers Bobby and Accepted — If you do not believe their is a Celestial man living in you. Then where does that leave you. Pauls said it – do you believe what Paul says. Two men in you – One has to die making the other one a dominate Spirit that leads them. One will annihilate the other in your life time. Its either Holy Ghost leading our Human Spirit leading. Which one are you.

    I have already “proved” there are 2 raptures or resurrections – one of the Wolf the other of Jesus Christ. John 10:9-12 – the Words Come is same 2064 as – How many times do we got to prove it. The Wolf “catcheth ” them – Rapture, resurrection to being Wicked, violent, killers, haters of God etc. Etc. this is straight truth. God raptures or resurrects you to the Truth, love, joy, peace, properity, rest, security.

    Reckon why the Gadarene Maniac – was a insane person. He let his human beastly spirit take him over. Becoming a complete man given over to his “father’ the devil.

    1 Jh. 3:12 not as Cain, who was of that “wicked” one.

    JOHN 8:44- “Ye are of your “father the devil”, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. ”

    I COR. 15:40- There are also celestial = Heavenly bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
    Celestial body is — Heavenly bodies – I Thank God I got one
    Terrestrial body — Earthly Bodies – I thank God this one is “DEAD”

    If you do not Believe – That Christ lives “In You” in a Celestial body then you are denying the Power of the Resurrection in you. That is just so simple how can you all miss it. This is why Paul said a “Born again” experience was a “Mystery” and it is a great mystery in our day as in his.

    If you Understand the Godhead – You would have to know this. Question What is the Holy Spirit – Please Explain in a simple way why you do not believe that Jesus Christ In YOU is the Holy Ghost. Are you denying the “Power” thereof. Forever learning and Never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

    II TIMOTHY 3:7 – Ever learning, and never able to “come” to the knowledge of the truth. “Come” here is also same as in Rev. 1:7 – He comes to you in the Revelation of HIMSELF in the CHURCH – Rev. 22:16

    If you have NO REVELATION of Jesus Christ living in you. Then you lost. You are trying to do it by Wisdom and Knowledge – Which Paul had to fight all of His life preaching the truth of the Gospel ” Christ IN you”.

    Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.

    REV.11:17- Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which ART, and WAST, and ART to “come”; because thou hast taken to thee thy great POWER , and hast reigned.

    This lines up with Heb. 13:8 This is yesterday, today, and forever. As it was in all the bible – so it is today. We are fulfilling the Bible just like all our past ages. It will be a mystery to all who do not Possess the Holy Spirit has “come” into them.

    Rev. 11:17 Those 3 words are the same – Come is same as Rev. 1:7 Look it up in your bible see what it says in the greek.

    Just discussing not putting no one in hell – Love you all “IN CHRIST” –ty

    • sounds like a physical resurrection to me:

      1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

      1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

      resurrection of dead occurs at rapture.

    • Tom,

      As I have said before, it is my opinion that your hermeneutics have completely misconstrued what God is saying within Scripture.
      I recognized this from your very first post that was on “Seven Spirits of God” last year.

      It is futile to continue discussing our differences. You continue to believe what you think that God is saying, and I’ll continue to believe what the majority that are filled with the Holy Spirit believe.

      Be Blessed.


  66. Well Accepted just tell me if you got a Celestial man in you. Yes or No


    • Nope, Notta, Zip. No celestial man in me.
      However I do have the Holy Spirit though.

      If what you believe is true then what sense does Philippians Ch. 3 make?
      What the heck was Paul hoping for as the “upward call” of God in Yeshua HaMashiach?

      Wouldn’t he have had everything already like you say within your interpretation?

      What do we “Watch For”?
      Why do we have a “Blessed Hope”?

      What’s the point-Gee Whiz man. lol.

      Taking a sabbatical again for awhile. I seem to have developed a head ache on top the flu that I have.
      Don’t know how that happened?

      Be Blessed

  67. Dear Marianne — Can you explain to me your Physical meaning in the Rapture or Resurrection. Seems you always saying its Physical. I would like to respond but need to know your thoughts on this. God bless. — ty

  68. Hey Tom! Don’t worry…I know where you’re coming from. AND, just because I do not “see” things as you do…do I feel wronged. You are passionate about what you believe, just as I am passionate about what I know. At what point did I ever say I did NOT believe I am a part of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is a part of me?

  69. “YES…Marianne, “I” along with a whole lotta’ people…AGREE!!!”

    AND, “YES…Tom, there IS a spiritual awakening!” It occurred 2,000 years ago with Christ! “WE” were awakened to the “FACT” that we will live on in Heaven as Christ returned to “prove it” to us! Christ returned with a “physical body” to prove it to the Apostles so that they could give “testimony” of the event.

    Dr. Gene Scott, set out to “prove” that Jesus Christ was a “fake!” He came up with the ONLY seven scenarios possible to prove that. NOT ONE OF the seven scenarios proved to be “plausible” or even “possible!”

    That’s when he started his ministry as he discovered that Jesus Christ IS…REAL!

  70. Dear Marianne – Bobby – etc.
    I think you all must really have missed my whole point on this Rapture and resurrecting and or 2nd. Coming.
    Im not saying when you get to heaven after you die that you are not going to see Jesus. Sure I believe I will see Jesus. In a Body of Resurrected Heavenly Flesh.
    I thought I explained this pretty well on the post above a few days ago.

    I believe I will shake hands with Jesus and the saints when my Spirit or Celestial man leave’s this natural flesh and blood body. I mentioned the Glorified body in post a few days ago. Jesus was Glorified of God when He was in Flesh and Blood Body on earth in the Mt. Transfiguration. He could be hurt, killed, feel pain etc. We know because they “crucified” him.

    But when His Heavenly Body rose it could not be touched until It went back to the Father God and was accepted by God for the Sacrifice for all humanity. Just like in O.T. sacrifice , of lambs and goats etc.
    It will happen the same way with the The Saints. Are Celestial body will go back to God immediately after we die. Jesus is the Judge and He has already gave us a pardon.

    But Remember that Jesus was a Heavenly Being and Could Overcome all things in his human flesh and blood body. Jesus went back to God and was accepted for our Judgment which is taken away. His sacrifice made it possible for all who would believe in HIM. Would receive the same Celestial Man that was living in HIM. Could also live in us NOW. Think of it. The Christ actually living in US.
    Paul called your Celestial man a “Body” . Please, read below: This ought to make you jump for Joy and Praise God for His abundant life.

    I COR.15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial=spiritual is one, and the glory of the terrestrial =earthy

    Celestial – Gr. 2032 epouranios from 1909 and 3772;
    — Celestial — heavenly– in heaven — high
    1. existing in heaven – things that take place in heaven
    2. the heavenly regions, heaven itself, the abode of God and angels,
    the lower heavens or the heavens of the clouds
    3. the heavenly temple or sanctuary –
    4. heaven — air — sky — through the idea of elevation

    I have tried to tell all for months – The Holy Spirit of Jesus the Messiah which lives “in you” if you are Born again. Is your Celestial body inside your flesh or natural body. Its a Body and Paul says this so LITERALLY how could anybody miss it. Here’s WHY – Mostly because “the Saints’ have never been “taught” “WHO YOU ARE IN CHRIST” – by the Majorities and denominations.

    1 Cor. 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption;——- it is RAISED in INCORRUPTION : — NOW

    43. It is sown in dishonor;—- it is “raised in GLORY”—- it is sown in weakness;——- it is raised in POWER: — NOW

    44. It is sown a natural body;——–it is “raised a spiritual body”.—– There is a natural body,——– and there is a spiritual body.- NOW!

    45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; full of passions and desires — literally means Beastly appetites—— the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Raised – Raptured above Beastly appetites.

    46. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, ——but that which is natural; = human spirit of mankind—–and afterward that which is spiritual.= belonging to the Divine Spirit of God

    47. The FIRST MAN is of the earth, earthy:= dust -stormy or rainy weather, a winter -tempest—— the SECOND MAN = Celestial is the Lord from heaven.= God the Messiah -things Eternal – When do you think you receive the 2nd. man – Its called the 2nd. Coming like in Book of Acts. 2:38. Many of Gods people never ever heard of Jesus in the 1st. Coming. But they did Meet Him in the 2nd. Coming.

    48. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: ——-and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. When NOW!

    49. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, ——–we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. In the World always – you can spot the 2 images. Beastly , earthy — or —- Christ the Lamb Heavenly – Now!

    50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;—— neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51.¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall NOT ALL SLEEP — but we shall all be changed, – Those that sleep are the SAINTS — Those that are ALIVE are SAINTS – By the Resurrection of the New Birth.

    Right now on earth. The Celestial man is alive and well. And living in His Saints
    The shadow of things that was in the O.T Temple made with hands. We have NOW became the Temple of God made without hands. We have entered into the Holiest of Holies by faith
    We have become the “Little Stones” of fire that make up the City.

    Rev. 2:17 – He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give TO EAT of the HIDDEN MANNA , and will give him a WHITE =Purity — STONE=revelation of hidden manna , and in the STONE a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. That New Name is the name of your 2nd. Man. The Celestial body overtaking the old body of natural man.
    Rev. 21:2-3 REVELATION . And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the TABERNACLE OF GOD is WITH MEN, and he will DWELL with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. When right NOW!!!
    In the Love of Christ ——–ty

    • a lot of explanation here…..i have now missed why we are discussing this.

      for me, I have to read about 100 emails and comments a day….so the more concise someone is the better… I can keep up with all the comment strings.

    • Well Tom,
      I am certainly not on the same page.

      Thank you though for the lesson of what should be the obvious regarding the Holy Spirit indwelling those that have been spiritually born again.
      All of us here are aware of and realize this.
      That was never the topic of discussion. You have gone off on another completely different tangent.

      The topic of discussion is that you believe that “the resurrection” occurred at the time of when you/we were spiritually born again in Yeshua as our Savior, whereas the majority of us here believe that He will return for the saints in some form of catching away or rapture.

      Hence my questions above,
      If what you believe is true then what sense does Philippians Ch. 3 make?
      What the heck was Paul hoping for as the “upward call” of God in Yeshua HaMashiach?
      Wouldn’t he have had everything already like you say within your interpretation?

      What do we “Watch For”?
      Why do we have a “Blessed Hope”?

      Do you believe that in your current body that you are in a state of incorruption, glory and power now? 1 Corinthians 15: 42:43.
      That you are equal to an angel now? Luke 20:35,36.

      If you think that you are, then good for you. However the majority would believe that something must transpire first for that to occur.
      Namely the “Resurrection.”

      Be Blessed.

  71. I guess we were simply interpreting what you had written differently? Basically…”we” ARE on the same page!

    Take Care and God Bless!

  72. Bro. Accepted and whosoever – ANGELS – and – RESURRECTION – and GLORIFIED
    You ask – are you equal to an angel now? Yes: but I live a little lower down on earth the 1st. Heaven in a flesh body at the moment.
    I PETER 1:10-13 – Of which salvation THE PROPHETS have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
    11. Searching what, or what manner of time the SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM did signify, when it testified BEFOREHAND the sufferings of Christ, and the GLORY that should follow. This scripture revealed = “These are earthly angels – Prophets, with the Revelation of Jesus Christ” Prophets are used in Both the O.T and N.T even NOW.
    12. Unto whom it was REVEALED , that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are NOW reported unto you by them that have PREACHED THE GOSPEL unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; WHICH THINGS THE “ANGELS DESIRE” to look into. This scripture revealed = I believe “The Angels Desire” were “ Heavenly angels”. Desiring to be men. And Knowing their Creator with a earthly experience. Along with knowing the Mystery of “Word made flesh.”
    13. Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the “Revelation of Jesus Christ;”

    The N.T church Believed their Prophets the best they could. Even if the prophecies were hundreds of years old they were still waiting for the promise. When it came to pass they could not recognize their day because it was such a “Mystery” and Jesus was so ODD and UNUSUAL that could not possibly be what Isaiah and the prophets were talking about.
    It was opposite of what the Pharisee’s had taught them. The Mystery got lost in those hundreds of years just like in the 7 church ages of the N.T. Its to unusual today. Rev. 10:1-7 That’s for another day out in the future or that was a spirit angel with no body.

    If the “Gospel is going to be Understood” then it will be by Revelation of Prophets. Not education. Over Half of the disciples could not have been disciples cause they were to unlearned and ignorant men. But they were real DISCIPLES – trained and taught in the mysteries of the Kingdom. When Christ hit a tradition he exposed it to them. They took it and stayed with HIM. He rebuked them and they still stayed with HIM and they suffered death and torture but they still stayed with him. They had the real “Revelation of Jesus Christ” And believed in the Prophets. Jesus being a Prophet Himself =Son of man. That would do away with 95% of American Christians today. They have been taught that Prophets are no longer used of God and are not needed. They are dispensational and out of date and out of touch with the Lords day. What a sad, sad day for our church. Beware least you entertain Angels unaware.

    Angels – 32 ang’-el-os 71- 34] (to bring tidings) — angel or messenger
    1. a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God. hence to lead as a general; guide as the gods; also to mislead, seduce; to bring up, train, educate
    2. Just exactly as I showed you in the Meaning of the God/head – Eloyhim. Evil angels and Righteous angels are part of the Godhead. God uses both. Through man.
    3. Any one that brings glad tidings and or false tidings to seduce you. It is the Spirit of angels in these men. It says it was Christ that was in them. Yet if they are Evil angels it would be Satan the Devil in them. As we know Satan can come as an “Angel of Light’.
    4. The Above is talking about the Prophets first and then the Heavenly Angels that would have “desired” to be like men. That is my thought’s.

    NOTICE – Preaching the Gospel man becomes Angels of light. YES the “Angel of the Covenant lives in me“. HE IS THE GREATEST ANGEL OF THEM ALL-PRAISE GOD
    2. And we the “Angel children of the Resurrection will have HIGHER honor than MOST them Heavenly angels have because we had to have a resurrection and die and suffer for the faith.
    3. Many of the angels in heaven never became flesh and blood. Have never had to experience living in flesh bodies and born in sin.
    4. But “Christ-THEE ANGEL” has made us Kings and Priest and equal with HIM cause we are HIS WIFE and are ONE in Spirit. We have been in the Wedding Chamber with our Lord. We are ONE NOW – And He said WE KNOW ALL THINGS. By our experience and the Word. Matt. 24. Again I say Jesus in the Greatest Angel of all. Who is the Bride the “Image of”. Who is the Bride that is pregnant with Gods SEED in us -the Word. Who has had to travail in the faith to become like our “Champion of Faith“.

    NOW Next -You said the Majority believe it’s after the resurrection we become as angels – answer – that is not truth. Hopefully the Scripture’s and teaching above should prove that. Messenger’s can be evil or good and still be an Angel. Even an “Angel of Light” being a devil is an angel. And that devil is inside the man. Its his Human Spirit and life instead of the Holy Spirit and eternal life. Both life forms are of GOD the Creator. And one of the 4 Powers that God uses is the “face of Man” Rev. 4:7. – And it is MAN that preaches and teaches the Revelation of Jesus Christ. According to Scripture. Messenger comes from the Word Angel and the word Apostle comes from the word Angel. Apo is beginning of the word “revel – ation”.

    JOHN 11:24– Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall “rise again” in the “resurrection” at the last day.
    JOHN 11:25–Jesus said unto her, I AM the RESURRECTION, (one who raises you UP). and the LIFE =(Eternal life) he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
    Why does man disbelieve the Scripture. Jesus says PLAINLY – I AM THE RESURRECTION and the LIFE – That is a PERSON – I AM is GOD – JESUS is the PERSON of GOD just manifested in Flesh. The Resurrection has been going on since Pentecost when they received Christ= GOD the HOLY SPIRIT “INTO their BODIES” Soul, and Spirit. To burn out that old man the human spirit and killing it dead.
    This is NOW – Not future – You can have many raptures -victories, risings, escapes, in this life , But when your natural birth flesh Body becomes a corpse. That will be your last rapture. Period — you going back to God into Eternal Heaven or back to God to die the 2nd. Death and eternal darkness .
    JOHN 11:26– And whosoever LIVETH and “BELIEVE IN ME” shall never die. Believest thou this? — ME is a PERSON AVAILABLE NOW that gives you Eternal life. ETERNAL LIFE IS A PERSON —You already have Eternal life NOW, the Kingdom of God NOW. Believest thou this? YES LORD TOM YORK BELIEVES THIS ABSOLUTELY.

    Resurrection means – rising again – cause to be born –to raise up from the dead – (that’s while you living). Or else how could you ever except Christ when you a corpse .

    GLORIFIED meaning
    ROMANS 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    Lets do “GLORIFIED’ while we at it. 1392 doxazo – to impart glory to something, render it excellent– to make renowned, render illustrious, i.e. to cause the dignity and worth of some person or thing— to become manifest and acknowledged –magnify– make glorious– full of glory —to praise, extol, magnify, celebrate- to honor , — adorn with luster– clothe with splendour —- Are you glorified Now while on Earth — YES

    If He Justified us and Sanctified us they you have to believe He Glorified us as well. Or it breaks continuity of the scripture and you are taking away from scripture

    Talk at you later. —-ty

  73. 1. “New Kingdom”
    Cessation argument: “But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that Day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.” (Matt. 26:29; Mk. 14:25; Lk. 22:16-18) The Lord’s Supper was made “new” at Pentecost Acts 2. The Greek word for “new” is the adjective “kainos,” and it modifies “it” (fruit/wine). In eschatological contexts, “kainos” describes something that is new in kind, and that is different than / other than that which, in comparison, is old or outdated. Thus the rite was going to be fulfilled and changed in the Kingdom of God. It was made “new” in the Parousia in the same sense that Jerusalem was made “new,” and in the same sense that the heaven and the earth were made “new”: It “passed away” and was “fulfilled” in That which it typified, which was the “new” (“kainos”) bread and wine (the universal fellowship of Christ) in the Kingdom of God. (Matt. 9:17; Mk. 2:22; Lk. 5:37-39)

    Continuation response: Since A.D. 70, the Lord’s Supper is no longer a somber remembrance; it is a “new” celebration feast. Now He has Communion with us spiritually when we partake of the literal bread and wine. The “man made Temple” was completely destroyed by Rome 70 A.D

    2. Manna
    Cessation argument: The Manna that the Israelites ate and the drink that they drank in the wilderness represented the Lord’s body and blood. (Jn. 6:31-56; I Cor. 10:3-4) The Lord’s Supper also represented the Lord’s body and blood. When the Israelites entered the Promised Land, the representative food and the representative drink ceased. Likewise, when the Church entered the spiritual Promised Land in A.D. 70, the representative food and drink (the rite of “the Lord’s Supper”) ceased.

    Continuation response: The manna and the Lord’s Supper are not likened to each other in Scripture. They are contrasted. In Jn. 6:31-56, the manna is contrasted with the Lord’s Supper, i.e., with Christ’s “flesh and blood.” The manna was temporary. The Lord’s Supper (His “flesh and blood”) is an eternal New Covenant ordinance. Likewise in I Cor. 10:3-4, the manna and the water in the wilderness were temporary, but the Lord’s Supper (of which Paul speaks in the same chapter) is eternal.

    N.T Communion“ eating and drinking the Eternal word of God”- not a ritual

  74. 1. Sign and Seal meaning
    Continuation argument: God always gave ritual “signs and seals” with His covenants. This is the pattern of Scripture. Circumcision was the sign and seal of the Abrahamic covenant. (Gen. 17:10-14; Rom. 4:11) Under the New Covenant, we now have two “signs and seals”: Baptism and the Lord’s Supper.

    Cessation response: The New Covenant is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant. The “sign” of that covenant (circumcision) was fulfilled and replaced with spiritual circumcision (i.e., “the circumcision of Christ” in Col. 2:11), not with “the Lord’s Supper” and ritual baptism. Christ Himself came to dwell in and among all the saints in In Acts 2:38 in fulfillment of all the “signs” and of all the flesh-ordinances (including “the Lord’s Supper”). He Himself is now our Bread (flesh) and Wine (blood). The New Covenant is the covenant of substance and fulfillment, not a covenant of more God-imposed covenant-signs.

    N.T Circumcision – is the “fleshy heart” being circumcised – Eph. 4:30 says that the Holy Ghost Seals you until the day of redemption Eternally.
    I know this is Spiritual. Can anyone on here believe these last 2 posts.
    I certainly hope and pray you can.

    In Christ Love —ty

  75. Quote from year 1706 by a Prophet

    1. The 7th. Age is the “Worst of all the seven ages” in Revelations
    2. They will be seeking “Pleasure and happiness” from the World
    3. It will be a age of “self-deceit” – and Arrogance
    4. There will be a “False opinion of Christianity” as if it were an “unholy” religion
    5. This Prophet – instituted a Message that became – Methodist, Nazerene, Pilgram Holiness and many, many others in his age.
    6. Every revival – mostly end up in Denominational Box’s
    7. This Man’s Name was “John Wesley”

    8. Hindsight is 20-20 To me this was a “true Prophecy” that was “Thus saith the Lord”.

    9. Martin Luther said before He died in late 1500 hundreds? They were building great institutions of Theology in His name. He called them Institutions from Hell. He also knew what was coming. And that it would end up in orgainization.
    10. You Cannot Organize the Holy Spirit to man’s way.

    In Christ Love always ————————Ty

  76. Add on to the above post:

    This is the very reason WHY denominations cannot tell you what Anti-christ and Mark of the Beast really is. They would be preaching to themselves. Just stop and think about what I said. They have got a “mystery mother of Harlots and Abominations of the earth”

    But the “True Called out Church” is the Raptured Bride which is the “Mystical body of Christ” the “Jerusalem from Above”. It’s not of men. But of the Holy Ghost.

    Church means “Called Out” – Israel got Called out = Raptured from all the religions of Eygpt- You must seek Truth to find it.

    God wants us to “practice on earth” what we will do forever in His Eternal Kingdom.

    • The English word “church” is derived from the Greek word “ἐκκλησία”, transliterated as “ekklēsia”, (Strong’s 1577), and basically denotes an “assembly of people”.
      It would be the equivalent to the Hebrew “עֲצָרָה”, transliterated “atsarah”, (Strong’s 6116), as utilized in Leviticus 23:36.

      In Greek to “summon” or “call together” would be “συγκαλέω” transliterated as “sygkaleō”, (Strong’s 4779) as utilized in Luke 9:1.

      Hope you don’t mind the input.

  77. Yea good to hear from you Accepted – hope you got over the flu whatever. Been praying for you as well. Thanks for the post back.
    I feel like writing a little bit here hope you will read it. Could change your Christian life for the better maybe. Just sharing not trying to push or force it down you — Just my opinion –

    Now if you would just look up “Cometh in Rev. 1:7” you will see if you look hard enough and use you heart. Come or cometh is 2064 gr. It is a gathering People in Public etc. etc.

    2064 gr. –come– 1a) of persons; to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving; to come i.e. to appear, make one’s appearance, come before the public
    2) to come, metaphorically
    2a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence; be established; become known; to come (fall) into or unto
    3) to go, to follow one

    1. The above could be translated as a “gathering of people” from one place to another. Not necessarily Jesus coming out of sky and rapturing flesh bodies into the air. It could be the CALL or gathering or separating of people like in Matt. 24. The Trumpet is a warning or Message.
    2. to “arise” is changing from one form to another. Like the Butterfly from worm to Butterfly.
    3. Just like Moses gathering Israel out of Egypt. The same with Noah when “one age” ended and another age began. Eight people gathered into the Ark and was translated to another age. One had the Mark of the Beast even.
    4. Just like Pentecost Acts 2:38 -120 persons gathered and translated from the last Age of the O.T Law to the N.T Age of the Spiritual Millennium or Kingdom of God – one kingdom to another kingdom.
    5. There were 120 Stone Pillars in the O.T Temple – 120 Pillars of “stones” = Persons gathered at Pentecost of the N.T church followed by thousands and thousands of “little stones” Rev. 2:17.
    6. There were 120 rings holding up the Fleshly Veil of “animal skin” that separated the inner court from the Most Holy of Holies where the Ark was sitting with the Hidden manna. Rev. 2:17 – its already in the church
    7. Rev. 1:7 is Smybolic of Christ coming back at Pentecost Acts 2:38.
    In Acts. 1:10-12 Moses and Elijah said He would come back in the same way He left them. And He sure did. Ten days later. 10 is mans number for completeness. Now Mankind had the “Sabbath Living IN Them” not a natural sabbath ritual like the O.T. Sabbath – Praise God
    8. To go to follow one from 2064. After Peter’s Message 3,000 person’s went from one place to another. Natural to Spiritual. Old to New. They got raptured out of O.T age into the N.T age of the Kingdom. Many left the Pharisee’s to Follow the Messiah after the death , burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
    9. All done in the public – yet the blind -unbeliever did not see it.

    10. Last of all – When the “dead prophets” and dead were Resurrected at that time right after Jesus Christ resurrection.
    11. This did not “shake the whole world” It is not mentioned in History books as a World Advent. The bible says many saw the Old Prophets arise and walking in Jerusalem.
    12. That was a “Rapture or Resurrection” catching up, rising up. Of ALL “DEAD PEOPLE” in the Tomb’s. How many seen it happen. The Pharisee sure did not see it or any other religions of the world.
    Only to “the little flock” did they appear. Including a couple Roman Soldiers.
    13. It was 40 days later that the “Living got resurrected or raptured” at Pentecost.
    14.Paul said that the Church is Surrounded by the Cloud of Witnesses. We are both one body – Some gone on other’s still on planet till they die.

    HEB.12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a “cloud of witnesses,= Saints” let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
    Now if you look up the Word Come Down in Rev. 10:1 Jesus actually came down to Earth – its not the same word.

    • Tom,

      The English word that was translated into “cometh” in Revelation 1:7. is derived from the Greek “ἔρχομαι”, transliterated as “erchomai”. It is a verb and it can only mean what you say that it means IF one doesn’t understand the Greek language at all.

      It DOES NOT mean a gathering of people in public.

      It DOES mean the definitions that you wrote down above, 1) To Come. a) Of Persons. 1) to Come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning. 2) to appear, make one’s appearance, come before the public.
      Metaphorically it means a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence. b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto. c) to go, to follow one.

      The Greek word “erchomai” is utilized in Scripture a total of 665 times in a total of 604 verses and hence within the King James, the word has being translated into English as either “come, came, cometh, comest, camest, coming, accompanied, next, to go, to be set, went, would, lighting, entered, restored, brought, grew, appear, unto, shall, passing by, falling out, was, had, will, is, am, and I am” depending on the context.

      And out of the 665 times that the word is utilized the only verse where your definition could possibly be applicable would be Acts 11:12., where it was translated into the English word “accompanied”;

      “And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man’s house:” and that is a stretch.

      I am also well aware of the Greek “καταβαίνω” transliterated as “katabainō” thanks. It would be similar in nature to that of the Aramaic “נחת”, transliterated as “nĕchath” and translated as “came down” in Daniel 4:13., or as “coming down” in Daniel 4:23.

      And though I believe that I have addressed this before with you, allow for me to reiterate.
      Above you say, “I feel like writing a little bit here hope that you will read it. Could change your Christian life for the better maybe”.

      Well Tom, let me assure you of one thing here, you have free will and can believe what you wish, but there is NOT one thing that you have, or could ever say that could change my Christian life in any way for the better. I have stated before that it is my opinion that your hermeneutics are off the wall, and nothing that you have written above has changed that opinion, rather you have only served to strengthen it.

      Just my opinion.

      • I am not following the “cometh” argument either, or see how it would change my christian life for the better.

        Sometimes , one can get lost in the details, and not see the forest.

        If the rapture has already happened, no matter how inspiring past biblical event have been, then we have no hope left.

        There will be a rapture at the 6th seal, in my opinion, because that is spoken of in Matt 24.

        if the Lord were to leave us here for the wrath, we would all perish, and not rise at all to go to heaven to be with him.

  78. Sister Marianne and Accepted: and whoever will
    You have to put the “Comes” in their context of what the scripture is saying in each scripture. We have to do that with all words etc. etc.

    Question Marianne: Please explain why you would have “No Hope” if the Rapture does not come. Then you are saying you have “No New Birth” while on earth.
    If we have the same Experience as did the 120 at Pentecost. Then we know we have the Holy Ghost Power to raise us up now and to escape the wrath that comes upon the whole world.

    For 6,000 years people have had to die on this planet. God never breaks His patterns. Heb. 13:8. So that would break the continuity of believers dying in their ages for thousands of years.
    This in itself should be a red sign to re-think the modern rapture theory. The flesh and blood body is going no where but back to the grave. It was clay to begin with. “earthy”.

    You were born with 2 bodies Paul said. The Celestial and Terrestrial; The New Birth is excepting and recognizing the Celestial over your Terrestrial and killing that natual earth man dead.
    The Holy Spirit brings the NEW SOUL a new set of passions and desire and understanding of the invisible Kingdom of God. By Faith that New Character -has to be molded and that takes time. We must continue in the Word to become disciples indeed. Like i have said before. 1 thess 4:16-17 is a Process. = its a gathering, a Voice of a Messenger, and a Trumpet of warning to the people on earth. Mercy then Judgment – Great but Dreadful day of the Lord. Who will heed the Call.

    The natural or sex birth of flesh and blood is decaying right now. Look at your self now then get a picture of you 15 years ago. That outer man is decaying while I talk. But the Inner man is Eternal and will never decay. That Inner man is Jesus Christ Himself IN YOU the Mystery. Col 1:27-28
    If I know what people look like on earth. Then I will recogize them in Heaven.

    Jesus Christ was “not born by Sex desire” but the the WORD OF GOD. Spoken word Creates. That is why we MUST hear the Gospel to RE-Create our thinking, and Character. The New man Hears the Message, the Voice, and the Trumpet of God and lets the Holy Spirit take over.

    On the Contrary if you never get out of Egypt we never going to get into the Promised land. The Promised land is where everyone was placed into their rightly gift that helps the Whole body. In time of need.
    Getting into the Promised land was a battle for Israel and for us today. It aint for sissy’s are those that are light hearted. We take it by Force.

    Lastly – ROMANS 4:17 ¶ (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, —— and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
    Quickening means – quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life; metaphorically, of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing – That is part of your “resurrection’ and rapture – its all leads to the same thing. Eternal life with Jesus.

    Faith sees the Invisible things of God – that why I’m always saying what faith is — Its a revealing of Gods word direct to you. Abraham just took off not knowing where he was going. Moses same way, Noah same thing. They had Faith -a revealing of Truth that was invisible to the multitudes.

    Same with the Invisible Kingdom – by faith I see the New Jerusalem that is Above. I do not see my name written on a little stone by natural vision – but by Faith I know its there. By faith – Im eating from the Tree of Life, and eating the hidden manna which is in the Holiest of Holies.
    ON and on. Your Revelation of Truth is worth more than this whole world. Moses will testify to that. And left all to become a great Messenger for God. And God showed Him the mysteries of His Plan of Salvation. IN a pattern that was from Heaven. amen. Thy will be done IN EARTH as it is in HEAVEN. The Air, The Atmospheric regions of Eternal life, by the Holy Spirit of God living in me. Its another dimension as I always say. Our Great forefathers were living in the Heavenly dimensions while on Earth.

    • this world is evil.

      the kingdom of god is in us but not out there…..

      the hope of leaving this evil world while god cleanses it is the hope I refer to

      it does not mean that I am not born again, and do not have hope in my redemption

  79. Dear Accepted – If you would set your mind on some of the other things that are written in my Posts. You could maybe get a revelation on the subject.

    But it seems you love to come back with something about 1 little thing that is wrong. You got to look at it all together. To see it clear.

    Did Jesus say in Matt. 24 there is going to come a “gathering” for the Elect bride and Satan’s bride. It will be by a Message. A Voice, a Trumpet.

    Well do me a favor and explain to me Rev. 10:1-7.
    Did Jesus “come down” to earth there. Who or what is the 7th. age messenger or Prophet that Speaks out a last day message. Gathering in the last day saints.
    What is a Seal, A thunder, a Trumpet, the Voice of the 7th. age messenger etc. etc.

    What does all this mean. Its easy to be a critic. But it’s another thing for to stick your neck out so people can cut on it. (smiling now). Especially when you stick it out and knowing hardly NO one believe’s you. It is a very hard thing to write a Revelational thought on a piece of paper or forum.

    I be waiting on your Revelation. Disect Matt. 24 while we on it. I need some help with that Chapter as well.

    Love you all in Christ ———————— ty— out for now.

    • Tom,

      You and I will simply never agree.
      You believe that the book of Revelation has already been fulfilled in its entirety. You are a Preterist.

      I believe that much of what is recorded is yet to take place based upon what is expressed in the text.
      We have gone over all of this before, and I have offered up to you “why” I believe what I do.

      The reason that I hold to this belief, is due to the 6 stipulated points within the beginning of Revelation which are provided to establish time frame.

      To start with, the title of the book itself contains a certain amount of specificity regarding that on its own. The English word “revelation” is derived from the Greek, “ἀποκάλυψις”, transliterated “apokalypsis” (Strong’s 602) its definitions consist of, “Laying bare, making something naked. A disclosure of truth, or instruction concerning things before unknown. Used of events by which things or states or persons hitherto, (or until this time) have been withdrawn from view are made visible to all. A manifestation, or appearance.”
      This would then mean, that all of this following information has been until now, “hidden and unknown”.

      John states in Revelation 1:1. that this is, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must “shortly come to pass”; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” KJV.
      Again the word “revelation” is utilized and the phrase translated above as “shortly come to pass” can only be understood within its correct context, as to be referring to to the future, rather than having any historical significance whatsoever.

      Furthermore, this is supported as well by what is stated in verse 3. “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this “prophecy”, and keep those things which are written therein: “for the time is at hand”. KJV.
      The English word “prophecy” is derived from the transliterated Greek, “prophēteia” (Strong’s 4394). The primary definition of prophecy is, “a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by “foretelling future events”.”
      The term translated into “for the time is at hand” would again indicate that all of the following information is describing events of the future. (And prophecy could not be considered prophecy, if the information itself is already known.)

      In verse 19 Yeshua says to John, “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;” KJV.
      Yeshua tells John to write the things which he has seen. This he evidently does by writing within the next verse Yeshua’s explanation as to what he had just seen regarding the vision of the seven stars and the seven golden candlesticks, (Menorahs).
      Yeshua then informs John to write “the things that are”, within the epistles to the Churches. The “shall be hereafter” would again indicate that this is a prophecy regarding future events. The English word “hereafter” is derived from the copulation of the Greek words “ταῦτα μετά” or transliterated, “tauta meta” (Strong’s 5023 and 3326 respectively.) Combined in this manner they can simply be defined in English as “after”.

      When the epistles to the Churches were completed, John was then caught up to heaven, and the voice that he heard said to him, “Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.” Rev 4:1. KJV.
      Again with the inclusion of “hereafter”, this cannot be misconstrued as meaning anything other than regarding the future from when John experienced this vision, and the revelation from Yeshua, and the angels.

      So above we have been provided with “revelation” and its specific definition. “Shortly come to pass”, and “prophecy” and its specific definition. “The time is at hand” (verse 3) and “The things that shall be hereafter” by Yeshua Himself in verse 1:19, and then “hereafter” again in 4:1.
      That is six (6) instances in total, for the reader to understand the context of time frame
      Therefore since there is nothing to indicate that anything of a historical significance will be provided within the following narrative, and that it is indeed a sacred prophecy provided by God to Yeshua to reveal what has previously been hidden to His followers, I have difficulty in understanding as to how anyone could possibly believe that all of what is stated within the book has already come to fruition?
      Since this, (by taking into consideration the 6 previously mentioned stipulated points to establish time frame), would it not then be a logical to speculate that Rev. 10. is referring to a future yet unfulfilled event?

      Furthermore there is also;

      Revelation 1:3.;
      ”Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this “PROPHECY”, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.”

      Revelation 19:10,;
      ”And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of “PROPHECY”.”

      Revelation 22:7.;
      ”Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the “PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK”.”

      Revelation 22:10.;
      ”And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the “PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK”: for the time is at hand.”

      Revelation 22:18.;
      “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the “PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK”, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:”

      Revelation 22:19.;
      “And if any man shall take away from the words of the “BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY”, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

      Again the English that has been translated into “PROPHECY” above is derived from the Greek “προφητεία”, transliterated as “prophēteia”, (Strong’s 4394).
      I’ll reiterate for any that may have difficulty in fully comprehending what the definition of the word itself means, its primary definition is as follows;
      1) PROPHECY
      a) a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by “foretelling future events”.

      It would have essentially the same meaning as the Hebrew, “נבא”, transliterated as “naba’”, (Strong’s 5012). “To PROPHECY”.
      Or the Hebrew, “נבואה”, transliterated as “nĕbuw’ah”, (Strong’s 5016). “PROPHECY”.

      Just to clarify, the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines the word PROPHECY as;

      1) An inspired utterance of a prophet.

      2) The function or vocation of a prophet; specifically : the inspired declaration of divine will and purpose.


      But sure, lets just forget all of the above and go with a theory that is completely contrary to what Yeshua Himself, and all of the angels that spoke to John said.
      Instead, lets just believe that it has all been fulfilled already and is only history, and forget that God the Father has said over and over again that there will be a Day of Judgement for the whole world.

      You and I will never see eye to eye Tom.

  80. Tom, you asked if Jesus came down to earth in Rev. 10 as a mighty angel, and the answer is yes. I think that’s fairly clear. Nobody knows what the thunders are because they are still sealed up. Some people think the little book is Daniel, and some think it’s Ezekiel, or it may be symbolic of the information John was given, or yet some other little book. Again nobody really knows. Verse 7 may be referring to the seventh church angel in chapetr 3 and not the seventh trumpet angel which is not introduced until chapter 11 verse 15.
    You are correct in observing there are a lot of things we don’t understand very well, but it’s interesting to try to understand.

  81. I was wondering if Babylon is Dubai. The world loves her merchandise and she also offers women for hire for a physical relationship. She is a queen among tourists the world over – a coveted destination.

  82. Babylon is the wordly things imposing itself upon God’s spiritual things. Babylon is representative of all that is fallen away from that which is good.

    The third angel proclaims that Babylon is fallen.

    The question is this; has Babylon(the type) fallen?

    You be the judge

    • Babylon is still here, for a little while.

      • I agree Marianne.

        While it yet exists, Babylon is certainly full of evil. The hand writing is certainly on the wall. When the enemy enters the city under the wall might yet to be.

        I certainly no longer want part of what is now in evidence in this world.

        It might be safe to assume that “Babylon’s” cup of iniquity is nearly full

  83. Ketan
    USA = BABYLON will be destroyed by nuclear weapon
    IRAN= THE BIG SATAN will be destroyed by nuclear weapon
    Russia = will be invaded by Asians.

  84. Robert Binnion – Thank you for your Positive reply dear brother. They are sure hard to get around here at times. Lord bless

    Bro. Adam – I have to agree with you on that post.

    Yea Bro. Dan – Sure agree with your Post on Babylon – The message today is “come out of her my People”. Babylon is the “substitute” religion for the New Jerusalem that is from Above.

    Lord bless you all ———–In Christ love —————ty

  85. Bro. Binnion – I forgot to say — Rev. 5:1 The book was closed up. Till Jesus came. The 24 elders represent the complete church of Jew and Gentile. The Elders were crying cause NO MAN was worthy to open the book thereof.
    No book opened. Meant NO Salvation to mankind. = redemption.

    So God himself had to make Himself a Body and step into it. And die as a human being and shed His blood as a Lamb for our Redemption. God had to become a man to die. He was all Human and all God. God is a Spirit and has no blood. So That is why God become the Man Jesus Christ. To give His life’s blood as a sacrifice as the Lamb.

    In Rev. 10 He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah – The King of kings. The Book is the Book of Redemption. Jesus was the Worthy one. The Book was closed with 7 Seals of mystery.
    Rev. 6 Jesus Christ opened up these 7 mysteries to us. Please Note that the first Seal opened with a “Thunder”.
    Jesus unveiled the 7 mysteries of His plan of salvation to us in the opening of the Book of redemption in Rev. 10:1-7 Thunders represent Mysteries being revealed. God speaks with Thunder.

    All a Seal is is a hidden mystery. Until it is Opened then it is no longer a Mystery. Read. Matt. 13:10 on. Jesus speaks of it. Rev. 22:9-11 Speak of the opening of the Seals in the last chapter of Revelation. So we are in the absolute END TIME in Rev. 10.

    You see Paul said in Col. 1:17 that “Christ in you” was a mystery. Yea so true today in this dark hour. As you stated about Babylon – it is a “substitute gospel of satan” trying to become the light of the world and be AS GOD. That includes all governments of man. But the Seals have been opened now and we see the Truth of all things as Jesus said to His disciples in Matt. 24.

    Lord bless you dear Brother. ——————————————ty

  86. Accepted – I noticed you did not speak or even tell me what you believed about Rev. 1:7 when we were on that subject. You was so busy just telling me Im wrong. Yes Accepted we will never see eye to eye. You have spoke it so let it be. I’m good with that.


    • not sure about overall topic here.

      jesus will come in the clouds in a global way

      we have not seen that happen yet.

      but we hope to see this soon. 🙂

    • Tom,
      I never outright told you above that you were wrong, all I did was provide to you and others as to why I believe that much of Revelation is yet to take place based upon scripture.

      This is also why the mainstream majority of those that are in dwelt by the Spirit of Truth as well, believe the same.

    • Tom,

      I really don’t know why you wish to know how I interpret Rev. 1:7., for you will only disagree with it…. however to satiate your curiosity I will provide it for you below.
      The Greek was translated into the following English within the King James Version as;

      “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”

      If one were to delve into the original Greek and its root word origins, the verse could very possibly have been translated as the following.

      Behold and see, He returns among clouds; and each and every eye shall behold Him, and also those that did not accept Him: and everyone on the earth will beat their breast from grief before Him. Even so, so be it.

      Now here is just one of the issues where you and I don’t see eye to eye. The above “Behold and see, He returns among the clouds”, or “Behold He cometh with the clouds”, expresses and correlates exactly with Acts 1:9-11., and numerous other verses. This is describing an actual return of Yeshua which is separate from that of the giving of the Spirit on Shavu’ot. No one on Pentecost “saw” Yeshua. They saw cloves of fire but NOT Yeshua.

      The giving of the Spirit is also different than the Resurrection, and this is why I had provided Ephesians 3 for you to take into consideration ages ago. For Paul most certainly was given a measure of the Spirit that was more full than anybody I have ever had the pleasure to meet, but if they happened to be the same thing as you believe, then why did Paul continue to pursue the prize of the upward calling of the resurrection? One doesn’t pursue what they have already attained.

      Any way’s, there you go.

  87. A Spectacular Encounter looms in space as the Whore of Babylon prepares to climb the last Mountain which is set before her guts.She will want to climb It & will make moves for the feat… The Mountain Itself will do according to God’s Covenant upon Itself and will rock the Whore of Babylon the way no being created or synthetic have ever rocked Her before. After the Whore shall have been given a full dosage of God’s wrath to drink…, The Mountain is in NIGERIA

  88. “She” is a church. And what church has been corrupt and slew Jesus’ martyrs as well as Jews alike from the beginning of her start? Why the Catholic church! The beast is a country (more than likely the one world order our corrupt government system is trying to start). I think the beast upon which she rides is not in existence yet but will be as soon as the people in power try to force it upon the few who understa nd.

  89. Somebody made a comment about the mark…. The Catholic church has already said her mark is Sunday worship. If you worship on Sunday even at a baptist church you carry her mark.

  90. Dear AMM — Yes the Beast is always a Nation of government of Evil rulers in high places
    EPH. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    You see its the Spirits of Devils working through men. Just like Hitler for a good example. Demon possessed people.

    Imperial Rome fail and Papal Rome was “risen up ” in her place. That is the Wound that received Healing in Rev. 13. Papal Rome ruled in the mid-evil days called the “Dark Ages”.

    Yes I sure agree that the “One World Order” is gathering all its support at this very moment to take over the World. It is anti-christ to the core. Its religion will be Catholicism and maybe Islam with her.

    Dear AMM – The “Mark of the Beast” is having the “Character” of the World =satan in you and controlling you. So we all need to examine ourselves that we do not love this present world and live according to its Course like Apostle Paul told us in the Bible to not be persuaded by the world.

    When you die – it will be “your Spirit of Character” that goes with you.

    Lord bless you AMM — its good to hear from you. I pray you get a blessing from this forum —- in Christ ———————ty

  91. Mystery Babylon is the false religious system Satan erected during the days of the Apostle Paul. The Lord sent us to Montana in the ’90s and shut us up for years not allowing us to preach in churches while He poured out a time of tremendous revelation such as we’d never experienced before (5-10 visions a day sometime and always several). Most of it was about the false church that Satan has erected that poses as the true Church. Some of these visions are shared in the book Revelations from God published in 2007 and I will paste one in here:

    Vision of the Naked Lady
    Libby, Montana
    July 22, 2002

    This is a very important vision to understand.
    Evie and I were at a large department store like Macy’s or Dillard’s but it was not inside; it was outside under the clear, blue sky. There was nothing but racks of clothes all over, however, as I didn’t see any other kind of merchandise. Evie was not with me but in another part of the “store” when a very beautiful, young woman – a sales clerk – walked up to me as I was standing by a clothing rack. She asked, “May I help you?”

    I looked at her and was amazed – she was completely naked! She had a perfect figure and was about 28-30 years old but she did not have a stitch of clothing on yet she did not seem “ashamed” or disturbed by this.

    I said, “Do they require you to dress like that here?” She replied, “No, I just like to.” I looked the woman over from head to toe and asked the Lord – “Lord, who is this woman?” The Lord spoke to me and said, “That woman is naked religion.”
    Interpretation: The fact that the “store” was out under the skies represents that it’s for all the world to see. The clothing represents “the righteous acts of the saints” (Rev. 19:8). The woman being naked shows she had no righteous acts yet she was not ashamed of this. It’s also significant that she was “selling” the clothing to others like the Roman Catholic Church sold indulgences for many years. Also, she is in the business of making money from the saints and their righteous acts.

    Jesus said she was “naked religion”; this means she was not His true Church who are all clothed in white robes of righteousness but she is all “naked religion” including the ecclesiastical churches which are nothing more than a religion now – the daughters of the Harlot (Rev. 17) because they have departed from the faith and the Word, the Scriptures.

    During this period of time the Lord had us preaching on Rev. 18:4 – “Come out of her my people.” There are many of God’s true people who need to come out of this false religious system because it is being judged and if they stay they, too, will receive judgment. Remember the second part of this verse: “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Italics added for emphasis

    Our calling and area of expertise in the Body of Christ is spiritual warfare and the strategies of the Dark Kingdom and is why Mysterious Secrets of the Dark Kingdom has been so well received all over the world for over 20 years.

    The main difference between the true Church and the false church, Babylon, is the Word. The false church mentions the name of Jesus, etc., but they do not preach the true Word and they are not doers of the Word. Most of what’s called “christian television” today has followed the false church preaching, as Paul even say in his time: “another gospel, another spirit, and another Jesus.”

  92. Dear J.P Timmons – Yes you are right on target – There was a Prophet in the land of USA between 1933-1966 — He had a vision of the false Bride in the 60’s. As he watch it come up. He said they was all out of step. All Painted up and doing the Twist which use to be the graze in the early 60’s. ‘

    But what was worse he said was that after they passed him. He saw they was completely naked on the backside. They started to go up, and went so far then they started coming back down again. He also saw some other countries brides that was marching in step and they went all the way up into glory.
    And while watching this false bride that was completely naked on the back side and twisting to rock and roll music — a Voice came to him and said it was the U.S.A church.

    But this Vision he had ends with a positive. He said later after all the countries of the world had come up before him. That He saw the USA bride coming back. But this time they was dressed properly. Everyone was walking in Step perfectly. And they had their back side completely dressed. This time they went up into glory. So this is the time for the Bride to get dressed quickly. Time is very , very short for us all.

    I would like to say also. That in 1995 I turned on the TV and it was on TBN and sure enough they was actually doing the Twist to Rock and roll music so called Gospel by them. I immediately got my wife and let her see it. As the Prophets vision was being vindicated as true.

    That Prophet’s Name was William Branham – Vindicated by God not Man’s systems. And of Course His message was hated then as it is now by most.

    It was good reading your post. Enjoyed it. Lord Bless you Apostle Timmons.

  93. Apostle Timmons,

    Excellent message!

    Consider Ezek 34 as it applies today. Where are the pastors / protectors of the flock?

    He is about to release a new work – for His Kingdom come and His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

    Blessings to you and your ministry.
    Psalm 84

  94. When we speak of the last days we need to start with Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
    A day with the LORD is a thousand years so the “last days” are the 2 days or 2,000 years since the cross. It seems all bible scholars look ahead to the last days while most of the last days are behind us.
    If we connect mystery Babylon through history forward we see the priesthood of the mystery religions of Babylon follow the money thru medo/persia, Greece and end up in Rome.
    If we look at Dan 7:25 (amplified) he shall speak words against the Most High [God] and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and think to change the time [of sacred feasts and holy days] and the law; and the saints shall be given into his hand for a time, two times, and half a time [three and one-half years].
    If we look to Rome and the papacy we see the martyrdom “wearing out” of the saints through the 3.5 years, which is 42 months, which is 1260 days or prophetically 1260 years. We also see during this 1260 year period the changing of passover to Easter, and sabbath rest changed to Sunday worship along with endless Saint days being instituted by the pope while God’s holy days are forgotten and replaced with ‘all saints day’ and christmas. Further the ‘law’ or rather torah has been mostly done away with and even the 10 commandments have been tampered with by the papacy. And as for saying words against the most high, the jews tried to stone Jesus for blasphemy- claiming to be God but the pope claims similiar things and know one picks up a stone!
    If we take the 10 horns from Daniel 7 and the 10 toes from Daniel 2 and relate it to the 10 horns/kings of Revelation 17 and further connecting the 7 heads of Rev 17 to the 10 horns minus 3 horns plucked up by the roots of Dan 7:8 I think we have a match.
    Now if we consider the little horn of Dan 7:8 and connect it to the papacy that sits on the 7 hills (Rev 17:9) of Rome and further realize the influence the papacy has had in these last days even up to today, having read enough conspiracy theories to realize that the pope still “reigneth over the kings of the earth.” (Rev 17:18), I think we can now answer your question as to when Babylon falls!
    Astolphus, King of Italy, surrendered the Exarchate (or Reavenna) to Pepin in 755 AD He gave it to Stephen III who thus obtained civil power. It is 755 AD when papal Rome became a kingdom (a little horn) with territory and the saints were handed over to the papacy for 1260 days. Babylon falls in 2015 the judgment shall be set [by the court of the Most High], and they shall take away his dominion to consume it [gradually] and to destroy it [suddenly] in the end. And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heavens shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions shall serve and obey Him.
    Rev 19:1 And after these things…Rev 19:7 for the marriage of the Lamb [at last] has come, and His bride has prepared herself. Rev 19:9 Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. Rev 21:2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, all arrayed like a bride beautified and adorned for her husband Rev 21:9 I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife. Rev 21:10 and exhibited to me the holy (hallowed, consecrated) city of Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God. Rev 21:12 [on the gates] the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were written. Rev 21:14 the wall of the city had twelve foundation [stones], and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

    • hi Laurence

      If the Vatican is Babylon, then who is the beast, matching Dan 7-8 and Rev 13?

      • Allow me,

        The Vatican was granted independant Statehood 2/11/1929

        Vatican = City = State = Country = Nation = Whore = Beast = Rome on 7 hills

        Pope = little horn speaking blasphemies against the Most High

        • the beast is a composite kingdom, represented by the bear (medo-persia), the lion (babylon), the leopard (greece), (rev 13) with teeth of iron ( rome) and nails of bronze (greece) (dan 7) which devours the earth.

          mystery babylon is on 7 hills, not the beast.

          the woman rides the beast, but she is not the beast itself.

          the woman is a city on 7 hills, and is the center of worldwide commerce.

          she has 10 kings.

          how does the vatican fit this decription?

      • The beast in Rev 19:20 is hurled alive into the fiery lake that burns and blazes with brimstone, in Rev 19:19 the beast and the “kings” fight the lamb. Let’s explain the kings: Dan 7:24 And as for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise; and another shall arise after them, and he shall be different from the former ones, and he shall subdue and put down three kings. The previous verse explains these kings are formed out of Daniels 4th beast, which is actually the 6th beast if you include Assyria and Egypt- Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings (beasts): five are fallen, and one is (Rome Dan’s 4th beast- the 6th beast), and the other is not yet come. Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. This 8th beast that goes into perdition is the same beast from Rev 19:20 that is hurled in the lake of fire (with false prophet). 2The 2:3 speaks of this beast/man- that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. This beast ascends out of the bottomless pit in Rev 17:8 which ties into Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. In Rev 9:2-3 the bottomless pit is opened and the “locusts” come out. Proverbs 30:27 The locusts have no king, this lets us know the “locusts” of Rev 9:3 are not grasshoppers, they are not natural “locusts” as they do have a king over them which is our beast in question here. The Septuagint Amos 7:1 “Thus the Lord showed me, and behold a swarm of locusts were coming, and behold, one of the young devastating locusts was Gog, the King.” Thus we have answered your question, the beasts name is Gog. This ties the Ezekial 38/39 Gog of Magog war to the battle of Armageddon as the same battle/prophecy which both end similiarly when the birds eat the flesh of the princes of the earth, rulers, generals and captains. Eze 39:20 says “Thus ye shall be filled at my table”, Rev 19:17 Come, gather yourselves together for the great supper of God. Is this table and great supper the wedding supper of the Lamb? This all culmanates at the end of the day/year of the LORD, the day/year of the LORD is as Jesus inferred in Mark 2:28 “the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.” meaning a sabbath year, the next sabbath year will be like a day for a year in prophecy, it will be like the 14th of Nisan- the 14th year of the new millenium 2014- the “passover” year before the year 2015- the year of the “exodus” the 120th jubilee from Adam, the 70th from Joshua crossing the Jordan, the 49th from Ezra and the 3rd from the Balfour declaration!

  95. The Beast is one of Four Principalities that rule the Dark Kingdom (see the book Mysterious Secrets of the Dark Kingdom which gives the exact structure of Satan’s kingdom) with Satan; there are 4 principalites and 8 powers so the structure is exactly as the Apostle Paul described it in Ephesians; however, I’m not sure if this Beast is the same as the one referenced in Revelation.

  96. As far as the scripture in Hosea is concerned, I have been familiar with this reference for many years clear back to the 1970s (yes, I’m that old!) knowing that the return of the Lord would not be until after 2000; however, the real question is: “When does the Third Day Church begin?” Was it after 2000 or after 2033 since the Church was not really birthed until after the resurrection of the Lord on April 5, 33 A.D.

    I do believe that Babylon, which is also referenced in Jer. 51, is a synon. for the false church as stated earlier and that this “system” will unravel after the collapse of the financial systems of the world (c. 2015) and that Rome will be hit by a nuclear attack by Islam believing that the Catholic Church is the real church (this is Rome “burning” referenced in Rev.)

  97. AS Dan commented re Babylon; clearly the reference in the NT is always Rome and, e.g., 1 Pe 5:13, clearly Peter was not writing from Babylon with Babylon being code for Rome due to persecution against Christians. But there is ecclesiastical Rome, which is where the false church began sometime after Emperor Claudius expelled all the Jews from Rome (referred also to in ACTS).

    We’ve preached and written about the “false church” and the Harlot for years beginning in the ’90s when the Lord began to reveal that there “is” a false church. The Lord had us preaching “Come out of her my people” (Rev. 18:4) for many years, i.e., ‘MY People” clearly a reference to the Lord’s people; coming out of what? The false church; the ecclesiastical Rome; the “Harlot” from Rev. 17. Christians have asked in response to our preaching about “the daughters of the harlot” as to where that is; well, it is inferred from Rev. 17:1 ff. in particular v. 5. This Great Harlot is “the mother of harlots” so she has daughters; these daughters were birthed after 1620 with the Protestant Reformation.

    Just like all the “christian” t.v. satellite networks followed their “mother” in wickedness and perversion so have the protestant churches followed the Catholic in departing from the Word (although all have not of course, but as a rule, e.g., the Presbyterians, Lutherans, etc., as a “denomination” have departed from the Lord by ordaining homosexuals, performing same-sex marriages, etc., things contrary to the Bride of Christ which is conforming to the Word.

  98. The years you mention are interesting; first, I always say you must differentiate what you “know” by the Spirit from the Lord, i.e., revelation-knowledge from what you have determined through logic from the Scriptures and although I read through the entire Bible monthly it is not for study but rather meditation to hear what the Spirit is saying to the Church so I’ve not studied the rapture in years. For example, I have known since 1982 that 2012 was a pivotal year prophetically and this was long before the Mayan, Nostradamus stuff was in the media. I had supposed it would be either the rapture or the beginning of the Tribulation period. Now we know the tribulation period is 7 years and your reasoning would apply that if the trib period began in 2012 the rapture would take place in 2015 since it is quite plain from Paul’s writings, despite most of the Pre-trib rapture theology we all learned, that this rapture described in Thess. is mid-tribulation because Paul writes that “the Day” meaning the Day of the Lord “will not come until” … until what? Until “the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed” (2 Thess. 2) Now the man of lawlessness has not been revealed yet as described here.

    The chronology seems to be: the “man of sin” signs a treaty with Israel; this is the sign of the beginning of the Seven Year Tribulation period. Mid-way through he breaks the treaty, exalts himself over God and “everything that is called God” v. 4 by “setting himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”

    Now the Temple has not been rebuilt owing to the Dome of the Rock being there even though they’ve been making plans to reconstruct it for decades so unless Paul was speaking spiritually about “the temple” as being the temple of the Holy Spirit, which does not seem to fit with his narrative, then it’s difficult to “see” from the Scriptures 2015 as being the year of the exodus.

    The Lord spoke very plainly to me in 1998: “When the Bride is ready the Bridegroom will appear” and Rev. 19:7 says, “The Bride made herself ready.” Additionally, we learn from Peter that as Christians we “can hasten” the coming of the Lord so it seems logical that we can also delay it if we have not made ourselves ready and I believe that is the case. I believe the Bride has delayed the coming of the Lord but I do believe we are in Isaiah 60 now when “gross darkness” is covering the earth and that the glory of the Lord is arising upon the True Church, not the false church and that this “remnant” will do great things for the Kingdom in a short period of time and then be taken before the wrath of God is poured out.

    But, as I said at the beginning, I do not have a “thus saith the Lord” on this as far as the years go; just that 2012 is significant and that we are in the “season” of the Second Coming.

    The Lord gave me a message series I preached at our church in Montana in 2005 titled: The Spirit of Elijah. I’ve never preached the same message twice in 40 years of ministry and the revelation from that message is that the Spirit of Elijah must come to forerun the Second Coming of the Lord to fulfill the rest of Malachi just as John the Baptist forran the First Coming of the Lord. I met my first Christian that year while we were ministering in Oklahoma who told me that they had “been called in the spirit of Elijah” and they’d asked every pastor in the State of OK what that meant and none could answer them. So, to me this is another sign that the Coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

  99. Apostle Timmons, 

    You wrote, “The chronology seems to be: the ‘man of sin’ signs a treaty with Israel; this is the sign of the beginning of the Seven Year Tribulation period. Mid-way through he breaks the treaty, exalts himself over God and ‘everything that is called God’ v. 4 by ‘setting himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.’

    I think the Scripture verse reads “confirms” peace not signs an “agreement” of peace.  He confirms peace, but breaks “the peace” 1/2 way thought a 7 year period of time, once “he” is revealed as the AC. By breaking “the peace”, the 4th seal opens.

    This is my interpretation ~ there is no “peace treaty” to break. 

    On 09/09/09 (flip those numbers), “he” who rode out on a white horse a few months before (January 2009) “confirmed” peace with many (UN). “He” confirms peace every year before the UN.

    Then, on 10/09/09, “he” received a crown (Strong’s “prize”) for peace. He talked peace having never signed a peace accord, treaty or agreement.

    The “crown” was given/accepted on Feasts of Tabernacles 2009. This was the first seal.

    3.5 Hebrew years from 10/09/09 is Nisan 2013 (March 10-April 12).

    3.5 Hebew years further in time is the Feasts of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Feasts of Tabernacles 2016.

    We are the fig tree generation (Matthew 24).

    November 1947, the command goes forth from the UN to establish Israel + 70 years (a generation per Psalms 90:10) = 2017 and the end of the age (Matthew 24). Jesus said, all these things I tell you will come to pass within this generation.

    Jubilee year: October 14, 1967 (Yom Kippur) + 49 years  = Oct 12, 2016 (Yom   Kippur,  10th of Tishrei, 5777).

    The 50th year of Jubilee (God’s rest) begins after Yom Kippur 2016 and most  likely starts during Feasts of Tabernacles 2016, but no later then Nisan 2017.

    As for Elisha ~ I know someone who has been told the same thing. 

    “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”

    We should experience the spirit of Elijah very soon, lasting for about 3.5 Hebrew calendar years,
    ending either Feasts of Trumpets or Day of Atonment 2016. We just dont know the day (literal) or hour (literal).

    Just my interpretation and not statements of fact or predictions of future events. Nisan 2013, we will all know with more clarity.

    Blessings to you,
    Psalm 119

  100. I certainly am no expert (or even a novice) on Israel and the numbers, etc. that you mentioned, though I have studied the Feasts, the two tabernacles (Moses and David), etc. When I read the prophets each month I think about these things and I do believe that 70 years is important like it was when Daniel understood from Jeremiah that “70 years were appointed for your people.” Now there are some similarities between then and the end and, of course, Daniel received a vision of the whole of time to the end but some of it was “sealed.”

    The beginning of the Age or Times of the Gentiles began then with the 70 years and also the worship of a statue; the same is said in Revelation regarding the end time re the “image” in honor of the beast. Therefore, “if” God (and I don’t have a revelation or “thus saith the Lord” about this but have just been thinking about it for the past few months) ends “the times of the Gentiles” with 70 years then that would take us to May, 2018.

    Now, one of the problems, of course, and scholars have debated all of these things we’re writing about for centuries, with all of this is just focusing on Revelation and Daniel. There are other prophecies that must yet be fulfilled which throw a monkey wrench (I think) into the near term time frame of 2015 and one in particular that I have been refocusing on each month when I read Ezekiel is 38-39 which has not occurred yet and, if fact, could not have occurred until now because of Turkey being part of NATO and “friendly” with Israel but that has changed and I am looking for this war soon, perhaps later this year and, in fact, it may be precipitated by an Israeli attack on Iran.

    Now, the important “takeaway” from EZ. 38-39 and the war between Israel and Russia and her allies is that a definite time period is given “following” the war (and this war is not Armageddon), i.e., it will take 7 years just to consume all of the war supplies that are left. So, 7 years even from now is 2020 and, therefore, the end will be sometime after 2020. Of course the Church may not be here but nonetheless there is this additional 7 year time frame, which may or may not correlate with the Tribulation Period of 7 years. God is going to intervene in this war and save Israel.

  101. J.P – ROMANS 2:29 – But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    COLOSSIANS 3:10-11 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
    11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

    The Bride of Christ = The Holy Jerusalem from above is all “Spiritual children in the Image of Jesus Christ.
    Circumcision of heart, and in the Spirit. A New Creation is Gods Creation.
    Jesus was raised in Jewish Traditions. But Jesus was not a Jew. He was GOD in Flesh.

    God bless —————ty

  102. I haven’t read all the comments so forgive me if I am repeating what someone else wrote, but I am of the understanding that there are two “falls” of babylon, the US being the “head” of the beast “system”, receiving a “deadly wound”. Scripture says “Babylon is fallen, is fallen”. So there is a repeat in the “fallens”. I feel the first “is fallen” is the “deadly wound” America recieves ( Rev 13) but then is “healed” of that “deadly wound”. And then, babylon comes back, restored so to speak. But not forever. Because her last “is fallen” IMO, is when the Beast (the Antichrist) will hate the whore of babylon, and “burn her with fire”, ushering her final demise. I feel we are on the precipice of the the first “is fallen’ but her final “fall’ does not come till near the end of the tribulation after the Antichrist and his other helper nations decide that America’s usefulness is over with. THAT is when it is her final “is fallen’. (Rev 18) The “deadly wound” is what she first recieves in Rev 13. Rev 18 is towards the end of the book , and it comes right before Rev 19 which describes the battle of Armeggedon. So perhaps, sometime between the Beast becoming world ruler and the battle of Armeggedon, is when Babylon has her final fall.

    • Your point about two fallen of America is very interesting. The first fallen may be related to her financial collapse? The death of mighty Federal reserve dollar? She may come back up with the establishment of US treasury issued dollar that should really belong to the American people and join the BRICS alliance which may be the beast.

      I agree that the finally destruction of Babylon will be near the end of great tribulation. Few things has to happen first before her finally death: The anti-christ must come out, the peace treaty, a new one world government(may be a western one or Asian one, either way, America will be a head), digital currency system, Arab nations rise up (ISIS, may be the pale or green horse), persecution of Christians all over the world.

  103. Rev 17:16 “And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.” (that is describing the WHORE of Babylon’s final demise IMO)

    • Lambfollower,
      Good point. worth investigating further.
      God bless

    • dear lambfollower

      that is one valid viewpoint. there are several interpretations of who babylon is in the end times, and america does fit the description. we also have modern Iraq who once fell, and may fall again. whether america is babylon or not, it appears to be falling anyway. so we need to all learn from this falling, and prepare ourselves spiritually and physically, and put ourselves in God’s hands.

      • @ “preparing ourselves spiritually” and putting ourselves in God’s hands- AMEN! That’s the very BEST thing we must do in order to endure to the end- when that “end” may come for each of us.

  104. In further elaborating upon the understanding of two “is fallens”, one must realise that the powers that be (of course, ultimately controled by the Most High) also have elaborate plans in place and are already covertly operating on a less visible level, to “restructure” and “rebuild’ AFTER specific events have taken place- events characterised by what we would call the first “is fallen” aka : the “deadly wound” America, and elsewhere receives. But America is the prominent “head’ nation of the Beast system, chosen for a fall. But getting back to my main point,in other words, they (the elete) are not going to let good disasters go to waste. So, the propaganda push in various alternative and even mainstream media outlets,that is fomented (ad naseum) promoting that it’s a “done deal’ for America, once certain events take place, is basically false. Remember, the elete MUST have their Golden age, their utopia, more commonly known as their New World, or New World Order, even if for a few years. From their arrogant vantage point, they believe they CAN con the Most High, and actually succeed with their plans forever. BUT, as scripture cannot lie, and does tells us, the Lord Jesus Christ returns and cuts the wicked days of this age short, upsetting the evil ones plans and applecarts.I love the superior wisdom of the Most High who laughs are the prideful one’s plans. They are so ignorant and stupid in their “knowledge” and false “enlightenment”. Ha ha! The heavenly FATHER knows best!

  105. Awesome news today about the pope resigning…

    It’s relevant to this thread about when does Babylon fall. I think the 7 hills of Rev. 17:9 can fit as the 7 continents that America and the Catholic church BOTH sit over, and I know the woman is a church, but America will also fall, probably in 2015 because it’s 7 years between 9/11 and the stock market crash, and 2015 lines up to the next fall in the 7 year sequences.

    There is more about the implications of the pope resigning at a wordpress site I’ve previously referred to.

    Here is the latest post on that site:

    • Hi nice timing,

      How can you say that “You know the woman is a church?”
      What do you base that knowledge on?


  106. The whore is revealed to be a city…

    a) The whore is accused of killing the prophets and saints.
    b) The whore is said to sit on 7 hills.
    c) The whore is adorned in scarlet, purple and gold.

    Only Jerusalem is accused of killing prophets and saints…that too by Jesus himself!
    That same city is also located on 7 hills.
    The main colors of Israels priesthoood were scarlet, purple and gold.

    Furthermore, Jerusalem is called a prostitute in 2 entire chapters in Ezekiel 16 and 23.

    Its a perfect match. Coincidence? You decide.

    • dear humble

      jerusalem is one possible candidate.

      but you say only Jerusalem is accused of killing prophets and saints????

      Islam has killed millions of christians in the 1400 years of existance.

      so has the catholic church

      istanbul also stands on 7 hills.

      the color purple/scarlet is sold in the middle east by muslims, and they have plenty of gold.

      just food for thought.

      jerusalem is not really on 7 hills..I have been there. it is all one big hill, and then the mount of olives is across the kidron valley.

  107. can someone give me the url on the man that found Jesus blood in golgata. I saw the video on this blog but I don’t remember on which subject I saw it. thanks!

  108. I found it

    • istone,

      The Ark just may be brought forth before Passover 2013.

      Barry is going to Jerusalem the day after winter and before Sabbath (coincidence?).

      “The last Pope” will be “voted in” before then too (coincidence?).

      This period of time (Nisan 10 – 22), just happens to be about 3.5 Hebrew calendar days from when “he” “confirmed peace with many (UN on 09/09/09) and received a “crown” (prize on 10/09/09).

  109. Babylon gets a waive?

    Babylon is a center of commerce; “merchants will stand at a distance, shipmasters, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance” (Rev 18).

    Jeremiah 51:55-46

    “The sea has come up on Babylon; she is covered with its tumultuous waves…”(English Standard Version).

    “The sea has come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of its waves…”(King James).

    Rev 18 has many connections with Jeremiah (if you “see” past the geography of the OT period). 

    So, then after reading, watching the attached link – please consider a vision given a sister-in-Christ two months ago (who does not read this blog). She saw the east coast “black” as if gone. The center of the country remains. Then, the Lord told her that His judgment will fall on America and the world will know He brought it upon them. This is coming soon. I trust this woman of God, by many words of knowledge, her deliverance ministry (binding, rebuking demons), and more (just within the past 2 years).

    “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;  men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken” (Luke 21:25-26, NKJV). 

    Prepare your lamp, and prepare your vessel with enough oil to remain bright for many months. If you live on the east coast, you should have enough notice to leave quickly, no need to panic or be filled with fear (2nd Timothy 1:7).

    Psalm 29

    • when did Timothy prophesy about the east coast?

      while the woman who predicted may be sincere, this is a “common prophecy” that has been out there for over 50-60 years.

      eventually this coast and other coasts, as well as inland regions will all suffer chastisement.

  110. dj
    Our father wrath is upon us. not only us but the whole world. soon there will be almost nothing left.

  111. mystery Babylon , some people think it is Rome catholic church
    for it is a city on 7 hills, it did a lot evil deed(human trafficking…)
    control the financial system of the world, it is a part of illuminati

  112. This is what looks like is gonna happen. But i say excues me to the Lord if i am wrong) I agree america is the woman in rev17. 18 Well ! Babylon(iraq under usa reign) is in control over the kings of the earth. In rev 13 look how the false prophet(woman) has control over the beast(united Nations leader) gets him into the secretary general spot in 2017 or so about . Then he receives the deady head wound- decapatation- accident). Then they gain control of th king of the north(Russia) king of th South(arabs india etc) king of the east(oreiental nations) and others

    It dont say no west is being taken over cause th he goat–the little horn of the west (DAN 8) is doing the taken over. dan 11.37 to 44 That’s probably when the 666 mark is being given out
    during this west taken over by western europe and america and allies

    The woman(america and its allies under a woman president — guess who) are in complete control until the beast– guess who attacks america in rev 18. The united nations will move to iraq and united states will do the rebulding and make iraq into a splendid city the bible says it is

    the church at phila rev 3 7 will be taken out of here before this tribulation stirs up
    and its gonna take a lot of love to get you out of this one

    • This is what looks like is gonna happen. But i say excues me to the Lord if i am wrong) I agree america is the woman in rev17. 18 Well ! Babylon(iraq under usa reign) is in control over the kings of the earth. In rev 13 look how the false prophet(woman) has control over the beast(united Nations leader) gets him into the secretary general spot in 2017 or so about . Then he receives the deady head wound- decapatation- accident) The world wonders about this man recovering from this decapation accident where he puts his head back again The world worships him. Then they gain control of th king of the north(Russia) king of th South(arabs india etc) king of the east(oreiental nations) and others with no war but respect and fear for this man They say who can make war with this man read it in rev 13

      It dont say no west is being taken over cause th he goat–the little horn of the west (DAN 8) is doing the taken over. dan 11.37 to 44 That’s probably when the 666 mark is being given out
      during this west taken over by western europe and america and allies

      The woman(america and its allies under a woman president — guess who) are in complete control until the beast– guess who attacks america in rev 18. The united nations will move to iraq and united states will do the rebulding and make iraq into a splendid city the bible says it is. Iraq will be a state of usa much like california las vegas ny etc. It will be the playground of usa and the world the church at phila rev 3 7 will be taken out of here before this tribulation stirs up
      and its gonna take a lot of love to get you out of this one

  113. Amen, the last five years the Lord did show me (by pc and blogs) a lot of what’s going on ‘behind the scenes’ of Christianity and satan’s conterfeits.
    And, remarcable: 3 of – for me- the 5 far most reliable discernment sites, got hosted by women being sisters. Haha, and here again another one..!

    In staying on topic about Mystery Babylon and her fall, a month ago the next surprise came up: ‘Heeding Bible Prophesy’.(Understanding satan’s plan to conterfeit the second coming of Christ & the restauration of all things.) About your item ‘When the fall ?’, just a few (smaller) headlines:


    The program of God

    God will judge Rome through the agency of the Antichrist and his ten kings for its crimes against the Christians at the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

    The program of satan by his satanic duplication

    Old Testament: The seven hills of Rome were named for the seven planets which the Romans worshipped as gods.
    Church Age: The Roman Catholic Church persecuted the Merovingians, who in turn infiltrated the Church and vowed retaliation against Rome.
    Tribulation: The Merovingians will frame the Roman Catholic Pope as the Antichrist/Dragon to prevent recognition of the real Antichrist.
    Great Tribulation: At mid-Tribulation, the Merovingian Antichrist will judge Rome for its crimes against the esoteric Church.

    The Home Page



    • New versions change the punctuation of Rev. 17:9,10 to confuse the identity of the ‘city of seven hills’, which is Rome.
    Revelation 17:9-10
    KJV – The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings.
    NIV – The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings
    NASV – The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, and they are seven kings
    • Revelation 14:8 and 17:18 refer to ‘that’ great city mentioned in 17:9. Modern versions do not specify ‘that’ great city which could be interpreted a different great city, i.e. New York City.
    Revelation 14:8
    KJV – Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city
    NIV – Fallen, fallen is Babylon the Great
    NASV – Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great

    Revelation 17:18
    KJV – the woman which thou sawest is that great city
    NIV – The woman you saw is the great city
    NASV – the woman whom you saw is the great city

  115. Marianne said: ‘Rome does not have 7 kings, so how to interpret that?’

    Good question.

    One blogger states:

    “The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.
    And (there) are seven kings …”

    ‘The word “there” is not in the Greek text.
    The literal Greek shows the seven mountains are,
    or they represent, seven kings. They are not actual mountains at all.
    It is to be a secret Babylon — not an actual or an obvious Babylon that all could recognize. It is to be a hidden one, but still, in God’s eyes, it will be an evil Babylon.’

    Our old Dutch ‘State-translation’, rather comparable with the KJV reads:
    ‘ mountains on which the woman sits. And are (also) seven kings.’

    Mystery (!) Babylon’s outside doesn’t seem to be very harmful..!
    I will continue the digging, so got also curious after the next text:

    “The Catholic Church has changed,” is what we hear. Or has it? In “A Woman Rides The Beast”, Dave Hunt sifts through biblical truth and global events to present a well-defined portrait of the woman and her powerful place in the Antichrist’s future empire. Eight remarkable clues in Revelation 17 and 18 prove the woman’s identity beyond any reasonable doubt.”

    I’m afraid I have to buy that book, once earlier just having read a solid piece of this brother, not knowing his name then. Brother Dave rather recently did move, being with the Lord now.

    Now the above video.

  116. Poeh..! Quite a shock, THE Jerusalem being the woman on the Beast ?!!
    Myself, as a Christian, felt anger for Rome. However, yes, the Lord will be the most grieved by the behavior of His chickens even not wanting to hide under His wings in His own Jerusalem..!

    Poeh..! And yes, Jerusalem will be destroyed. Afterwards the new City will even have a different name: JAHWEH SHAMMAH.

    Phoe, what a shock. Thát, after for three days having read that the Mark of the Beast (!) got suggested to be the six pointed star, being a hexagram, came to be called the Seal of Solomon*, the star of David and today in fact being the emblem of the Rotschilds on the white withe blue Israelian flag..!

    * King Solomon was deeply involved in witchcraft & occultism, in the temple of Jerusalem, even the place to be for the (666) satanic antichrist..!

    And yes, for the elite of the world and lots of more (foreign) people visiting Jerusalem, will the City, the temple and the idolatry being a hype..! So why nót that star! Having the Mark at least is meaning daily having food.

    Phoe, lots of thinking, terrible in fact.

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  118. I too believe America is the Mystery Babylon, but mainly pointing to her FINANCIAL SYSTEM. America inherited the Ancient Babylonian financial system. Elites and secret societies control from behind, using usury (Jesus strongly against it) and the mighty dollar (Federal reserve currency, not really America dollar) to enrich themselves and enslave most Americans and people around the world. This is where their power actually is. I think the 7 heads and 10 horns beast will be or in some part link to the new financial BRICS alliances in the end time.

    I agree that the Mystery Babylon would prosper right up to her big destruction, which mean, America total economic collapse as many people think may not happen. The America military and Chinese government are not allowing it to happen, they are ones who still prompting up this dying system. They are simply not ready. The Mystery Babylon will be destroyed before the seven bowls of God’s wrath, see Revelation 17. The destruction of Babylon mentioned while one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls.
    So, I think the death of Babylon will be near the end of Great Tribulation, America will be prosper till the very end. Plus, The mystery Babylon must the one who lead the persecution of Christians around the world prominently. Her destruction won’t come untill she order the kills of christians and the force of implementation of the 666 mark RFID chips on everyone around the world, AND, for these to happen, before her destruction, the one world government (probably not the western NWO, it looks like bogue to me now, it probably the Asian NWO with America being part of it still remain great influence) and the digital currency system may have to establish first, AND, the anti-christ also must come out too but won’t be widely identified until the mid tribulation and the peace treaty must be signed first before her final destruction.

    America was a Christian nation at one point in the very beginning, but changed over the decades. That’s why God call her the whore. With the infiltration of satanic elites, babylonian financial system and culture behind the government, military, Hollywood and medias, and the muslim chief in command control in the white house allowing open boarder in the south, the extreme ISIS terrorists coming inside the country staying in the sleeping cell waiting their order. It will not surprise me America government will one day openly kill christians. The America government has been hijacked.

    The more important question to me now is when will be the starting point of Great Tribulation. I think when we know about this point, then, we will have a more clear vision on when will the mystery Babylon be destroyed.

    My two cents. I may be wrong, but I love to hear any feedback on this. For I am still not that certain.


    • jones

      I can see how america could be considered babylon…some think it is the catholic church…It does seem babylon will hold on until the end of the tribulation because all will be able to see it, and if there was global destruction due to Gods wrath, this would not be possible.

      • Hi Marianne,

        Thank you for your reply!

        Here is my 2 cents.

        The different wrath may come within a short period of time while the nations and Babylon are still effectively running. It’s like a sudden destruction with different wrath pulling out all at once. This is just my thought.

        I have heard that the seals has happened in a very long period of time, over thousands of years which still going now, The trumpets are little shorter time period, but the wrath are the shortest ones.

        I heard about the the Roman Catholic church is the Babylon too. May be. But I am now more toward that the Vatican is the second beast or the false prophet that will make people worship the first beast and lead many in astray.

      • I am going to add a little more thoughts. Thanks in advance for your time.

        The Catholic church, more precisely the Vatican will probably go hand in hand with the Babylon to persecute Christians, the Catholics and others will probably think they are doing God’s work. Crusaders all over again with the help of first and second beasts. If the first beast is the BRICS nations with America the head, and with the Catholic power, this persecution will be worldwide, it will fulfill the prophecy, hardly anywhere we can hide. Don’t forget the Islam Caliph power whom hate us very much, in which, the Western banking elites are funding them.

        But what more interest me is on what ground or what ideology or what new philosophy or what excuse that will be able to prompt a worldwide prosecution against us. I am closely watching the new age and the fallen angel aliens development. I think that’s where most people will be deceived and where it will come a great lie and new philosophy that will give them excuse to persecute Christians. They will think us as backward and burden to their change, to their next level new human evolution or new century development.

  119. About that 7 hills and the woman seats on them, I have some thoughts.

    The woman represents the ancient Babylon financial system. The 7 hills represent the 7 kings and their kingdoms. It looks to me, all these 7 kingdoms were/are enslaved and enriched by this financial system.

    The interpretation typically identifies the first five kings either as being Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Pagan Rome, and Papal Rome; or as being Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece.
    They are all different nations, with different languages, culture….but their similarity were/are probably their choice of implemented the Babylonian financial system and the culture. May be that’s why it’s described the woman seats on them. Their rise is because of her, so as their fall. The woman live on them like a parasite on the host. She would enrich the host a while but when the time come, she sucks up all the nutrition she would find another host replace it and keep on living. That’s how she can sit on all these kings all these years

    Does it make sense?

    • that is one good interpretation….there are some others…which is why the end time scriptures are so challenging

      • Thank you!

        Indeed, the end time scriptures are very challenging, my perspective change often too, especially when I learn more what’s going on around the world. God is unfolding the events, He wish us to be informed, so we won’t be deceived, for the Great deception/delusion is

        When I mentioned others in one of the reply, I meant other Christians.
        There may be a time, the true born-again Christians will be persecuted by their fellows whom think they are doing God’s work because the Great deception is so great that they are being deceived.

        I really watch carefully about the new age and the fallen angel alien news.

        The anti-christ could be a human/alien hybrid with superpower that enable him to resemble the power of Jesus Christ. Make people think he is the savior and help humanity to ascend to another new level of development. Bring world peace, fix the world financial system, sign the peace treaty. Therefore, the world leaders and people willingly give their authorities to him. I bet he will have a very strong religious philosophy or spiritual ideology to unite all different religions of the world and atheists together to against Christians. My bet would be on the new age and the truth of aliens, their “truth” of aliens.

        This’s also my 2 cents. I could be wrong. The anti-christ could be a total 100% human.

  120. There are more than one Babylon; that is where you must be careful. There are “nations” and then, in Rev. 18 it is clearly pointed out in the Scriptures that it is a “city” and it is a coastal city; based on the description it seems to be New York; however, I have to be careful here because I have seen in 2 visions the destruction of America by nuclear weapons and NYC is one of those cities hit. I also believe that Rome will be nuked by the Muslims “thinking” they are attacking the church but Rome is the seat of the Babylonian religious system and not the church. The person who wrote about America killing Christians is correct. The Lord spoke to me just a few months ago about the time ahead and the accelerated persecution of Christians and said that the most persecuted place will be America.

    It’s interesting to note that Rev. 18 is similar to Jeremiah in that Jeremiah was told to go cast a stone in the Euphrates River symbolizing the death of Babylon whereas in Revelation it’s an angel but since this is a coastal city he casts the stone “into the sea.”

    We just posted an article on our website about this yesterday. Go to http://www.,

    Blessings to you all.

    Brother J.P. Timmons

    • J.P. Timmons,

      This is very interesting, thanks for the input. We need all the infos and thoughts as much as we can in this time and age.

      I actually do have a eerily feeling about the connection between Rome and American elitists(the secret societies). I heard the Rome actually the one control this Babylonian financial system and being infiltrated by the ancient secret societies. The Federal Reserve works for them. Could the mystery Babylon being two nations or two places? America and Rome are one coin with two sides?
      One side is Babylonian financial system, the other is religion. It gets me thinking.

      I am not so sure the “city” is an actual one city. I hope you are right, when the judgement and destruction come, we all have other states to hide. It is not practical for my family and I to move out of the country.

      And Thank you to confirm that America will be the most persecuted place. America government is killing Christians now, the mystery Babylon is persecuting Christians, through ISIS by arming and funding the Syrian rebels whom signed a truce with ISIS and gave one of the reporter to ISIS. The American government is hijacked. It’s only a matter of time that the killing will run inside the country.

      There are talks about bring back GUILLOTINE, they passed laws in Georgia to allow for the use of the guillotine on death row just this year and the government is pushing for nationwide use under the guise of more humane way than the lethal injection. It will all fulfill the prophecies.

    • dear JP

      I would agree with that….there is a natural Babylon of end times,

      then there is Mystery Babylon.

      it is something I have been confused about before.

      the natural one has been around for thousands of years, but just changes its name, and still want to destroy Israel.

      right now ISIS from Iraq is taking the lead.

      in scripture, both are mentioned, so we have to distinguish which one it is talking about.

      • “Spiritual” babylon has been around for thousands of years as well. It began at the tower of Babel.
        Different times, same player.

        Only now, the cup is almost completely full so we are going to see the full manifestation of Babylon play out before our eyes. The golden age. Perhaps this is why it is called “mystery” babylon.

        It’s babylon in all it’s it’s glory showing it’s true colors and no one believes it’s babylon because we live in a world of confusion in this present age.

        No one can discern the times. Thus, it’s a “mystery” for them.

  121. I forgot to add something else interesting from Revelation; the Word says that these martyrs who came out of the Great Tribulation were beheaded. What are ISIS and all these demonic Islamic groups doing today?

  122. J.P. Timmons,

    I am in agreement with most (if not all) of what you share. After reading your web page, I appreciate your anointing, understanding that Mark 16:17-18 apples to you and your ministry. God Bless you (Psalm 20).

    NYC is the representation of “that great the city Babylon, that mighy city” (Rev. 18:10, NKJV). There should be no doubt – but there always remains speculation.

    The Beast knows this event will occur. He is fully aware of all other events – from the 1st seal to the end of the book, except one set. What Satan does not know are the events associated with the 7 Thunders.

    The Beast, ever so discreetly, displays the coming devastation upon Metro NYC in the artwork of St. Peter’s Cathedral and on US currency, giving his minions a display of his knowledge and occult powers.

    It should be no surprise to Believers who read Revelation, right? Yet, it will be a surprise when NYC is destroyed because the most virgins are spiritually asleep.

    A nuclear devise detonated just off the coast of Manhattan would create a tsunami wave, flooding Manhattan, south shore of Long Island, Jersy Shore and take down the east coast power grid. The US government (Beast operative) will blame ISIL.

    The second event (Rev. 18:21), which is as a “millstone thrown into the sea” – this is truly an act of God.

    Volcanologist and Geologists predict that one day (they don’t know the day or the hour), the Cumbre Vieja volcano (perfectly placed off the coast of Africa) will have a major eruption.

    Click to access La_Palma_grl.pdf

    “Geological evidence suggests that during a future eruption, Cumbre Vieja Volcano on the Island of La Palma may experience a catastrophic flank collapse.

    For a 500 km 3 slide block [milstone?] running westward 60 km down the offshore slope [of the island] at 100 m/s, our computer models predict that tsunami waves…will be felt at transoceanic distances spanning azimuths that target most of the Atlantic basin.

    “…a great train of dispersed waves 500 km (310 miles) across, develops as the tsunami moves into the Atlantic basin. Peak wave heights (60 m or 196 ft) show up in the second crest [traveling approximately 500 mph].

    From 3 to 6 hours [post collapse] the tsunami expands across the Atlantic retaining palpable amplitude in an arc subtending more than 180 degrees…

    Vanguards of the tsunami (10 m) first brush North America near Newfoundland. Simultaneously, larger (15-20 m or 65 ft) waves arrive at the north shore of South America.

    At 9 hours [post collapse], Florida faces the tsunami, now parading in a dozen cycles or more.

    In 50 m of water offshore Cape Canaveral, even after being weakened by geometrical spreading and frequency dispersion, tsunami from lateral collapses of the volume, dimension, and speed of that expected at La Palma could retain 20-25 m height (80 ft.)

    Shoaling waves do not continue to grow much in water shallower than their height, so 20-25 m (80 ft) probably reflects the terminal height of the waves expected on Florida’s beaches.”

    This mega tsunami event would occur any time after NYC “receives it judgment in one hour” (Rev. 18).

    This “millstone” event (500 km 3 slide block) with an initial mega wave (196 ft high, traveling 500 mph), giving less than 9 hours notice to the USA, brings deviation, ending the lives of hundreds of thousands and places thousands into FEMA camps (if there is room).

    This one mega event, caused by a large land mass (500 km 3 slide block) collapsing into the ocean (“sea”) would also destroy the Bahamas and deviate the islands in the Eastern Caribbean.

    One volcanic eruption, displacing a “millstone into the sea.” This seems to fit the description of the last verses of Rev. Chapter 18.

    Psalm 27

  123. jones,

    The blood moon and sackcloth sun cycle (2014-2015) is significant, because they are the signs of Joel 2:31 (IMO).

    These sign ends with the Fall Feasts of Tabernacles, 2015. They occur “before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.”

    This lunar/solar cycle is not the only sign either.

    The “blood moons” and “sackcloth suns” are a warning of what comes next – in 2016.

    October 8, 2014 (Feast of Tabernacles), brings the next “blood moon” and a partial solar eclipses following 15 days later.

    There is a total solar eclipse on March 20, 2015 – 15 days before Passover.

    On Passover, 2015 the 3rd blood moon in the very unique cycle occurs.

    The last partial solar eclipses occurs 15 days before Feast of Tabernacles, 2015.

    The final blood moon occurs on September 28, 2015 (Feasts of Tabernacles).

    Now, please consider the following Freemason puzzle, which involves the year, 2016.

    As I posted in reply to J.P. – Satan knows what is coming and what occurs from the first seal to the last events in Revelation. What Satan does not know about are the events associated with the 7 Thunders.

    The Beast, ever so discreetly, displays the coming devastation upon Metro NYC in the artwork of St. Peter’s Cathedral and on US currency (Fed Reserve), giving Satan’s minions a display of his knowledge and occult powers.

    Satan has also shared his knowledge with the Freemasons (33 degree attainment). So, we can expect the Masons to ever so discreetly display what is coming through their artwork and images – boasting of their occult knowledge (cleverly).

    With the above as background, here is an unusual confirmation of the significance of the ending of the blood moons/solar eclipses (Feasts of Tabernacles, 2015) and the next year, 2016, from the Freemasons.

    The symbol of the first Masonic Government is the Great Pyramid with the “all seeing eye of Horus” (Lucifer), floating above in the capstone.

    Please read the Latin phrase on the Great Seal of the US.

    Masonic Founding Fathers selected 1776 as the year of independence, birthing a NWO.

    The question is when is the NWO activated, fully functioning as a power of its own?

    The Masons applied the date 1776 on the base of their pyramid graphic as a calendar, or count down to when their NWO arrives. The NWO arrives when the capstone is placed upon the peak.

    The “all seeing eye” floating at the top of the graphic pyramid on the Great Seal represents “Horus” who is an Egyptian occult representation of Lucifer.

    It is Lucifer – the all seeing eye.

    The year at the base of the pyramid graphic on the Great Seal is 1776 (MDCCLXXVI).

    Masons long ago called 1776 “The Year of Light.”

    Next, Masons adhered to the Kabbala along with Egyptian pagan/occult rites, rituals and believes.

    In the Kabbala it states:

    “240 years before the seventh millennium (i.e., the year 6000 from creation), the lower waters will rise and cover the entire world, and only Eretz Yisroel [the Land of Israel] will remain, which will float on the surface of the water like Noach’s Ark; they will approach Gan Aiden [Garden of Eden], the place from which the four rivers leave. The people who survive will be completely righteous, and there they will be whitened, purified, and made spiritual.” (Yalkut Reuveini, Shichechus Leket, “Eretz Yisroel v’Chutz L’Aretz,” 6; in the name of the Rokeach–Gali Razyah)

    Not only do Masons know Egyptian occult, but they read the Kabbala and also convert the Hebrew calendar into the Gregorian calendar for their purposes.

    Next –

    The height of the Great Pyramid in Egypt is 5776 inches with the capstone in place. When the capstone is “in place” – the NWO is activated, functioning and at work.

    The building of the NWO is the representation on The Great Seal of the US with a date of 1776 at the base. The foundation is laid in 1776 by the Freemasons (USA, with help of French and other Masons in old EU).

    So now, let’s put this all together – “a secret in plain sight” as it is understood by those who study such puzzles.

    Since the Great Seal of the US was designed by Ben Franklin (33 degree Mason) with a Latin phrase identifying the birthing of a NWO (1776) on a graphic pyramid that represents the Great Pyramid, which is 5776 inches in hight and we now have a Masonic calendar.

    5776 in the Hebrew year just happens to be 2016.

    The building of the NWO began in 1776.

    We read in the Kabbala that the number of years before the 7th millennium is 240.

    1776 (birth of a NWO, “The Year of Light” + 240 (Kabbala reference) = 2016.

    The NWO becomes operational when the capstone is applied to top of the pyramid or when Lucifer (Anti-Christ) is seated as leader of the NWO, 2016.

    The Masons put the NWO message on the Great Seal as a calendar.

    Barry, is the first gay President of the Masonic Government, birthing the NWO as the son of perdition in 2016. He will be seated as the ruler of their NWO. Barry rode out on a white horse, accepting a crown (Greek word prize) for pease on Feasts of Tabernacles, 2009. There is more to Barry too.

    Did you notice all the events occurring on Feasts of Tabernacles?

    The year 2017 is significant.

    1947 (UN proclamation) + 70 years (Psalm 90:10 and Jeremiah chapters 29-33) = 2017 (Matthew 24:29-31).

    The above is my understanding and does not represent the opinion or views of anyone one else.

    Psalm 25

    • DJ, Thank you for such informative post, it makes sense to me, anti-christ is about to come out. 2016 is so happen to be the year of election too, A new president will come out and possibly candidate of anti-christ. But here is the question, will anti-christ come out from Babylon? When you say Barry, are you referring to Obama?

      I am still digesting your post. But I am glad we are in the same page regarding to America government, the Babylon, the ISIL, the secret societies behind all these.

      God Bless you!

    • The blood moon explaination is one of the best I read. I think it is very close to what will actual happen.

  124. jones,

    Yes, Barry = Obama.

    Barry is the son of perdition. He will be revealed openly, for the hole world to recognize in the coming months. They (whoever they are) already know him for what he will be. He will lead the NWO before the end of his term.

    Some folks like to keep the discussion (“Who will be the Anti-Christ?”), going and going. They present hypothesis after hypothesis on many different world leaders and obscure Islamic men. They neglect to keep up with all the information already available on Barry and a check list.

    I figured this out back in 2011 – before watching any of these videos, because we are within “Daniel’s Week” and we are the fig tree generation that Jesus told His disciples in Matthew 24-25.

    Please watch these videos in order. Then, please read the link below.

    I’ll reply later with another video series that helps explain The Beast, 6-6-6, which is a construct of man.

    6-6-6 is a world of man’s construction that is in opposition (rebellion) to God, which includes the Tower of Babel, Pyramids (Egypt, Mayan and others), obelisks, many modern buildings, the arts – paintings/graphics, movies, music composition, literature and applied sciences, organizations, institutions, societies, and religions of the world.

    www = 666 is not a stretch at all.

    666 is much larger and much more integrated into our culture and society than Believers know (spiritual blind and/or asleep).

    Let me know of you have any questions and I’ll try to provide an intelligent reply.

    Psalm 25

  125. Hello everyone!

    I have to share these with you all. Please check out Dumitru Duduman’s dreams and visions. All of them concern about America and the mystery Babylon in the endtime. His website

    They are amazingly detailed and some of them already fulfilled

    Check this one out (there are many):

    (California, Las Vegas, New York, Florida are Sodom and Gomorrah and will definitely be hit it hard. The angel of God told him that “The Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America. When the Americans will think that it is peace and safety – from the middle of the country, some of the people will start fighting against the government. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then from the ocean, from Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico,,..” (He told me two other countries, but I didn’t remember what they were.) “…they will bomb the nuclear warehouses. When they explode, America will burn!”


    September, 1984

    Late one night, I could not sleep, The children were sleeping on the luggage. My wife and daughter were crying, I went outside and walked around. I didn’t want them to see me cry. I walked around the building, crying and saying, “God! Why did you punish me? Why did you bring me into this country? I can’t understand anybody. If I try to ask anybody anything, all I hear is, “I don’t know.”

    I stopped in front of the apartment and sat on a large rock. Suddenly a bright light came toward me. I jumped to my feet because it looked as if a car was coming directly at me, attempting to run me down! I thought the Romanian Secret Police had tracked me to America, and now they were trying to kill me. But it wasn’t a car at all. As the light approached, it surrounded me. From the light I heard the same voice that I had heard so many times in prison.

    He said “Dumitru, why are you so despaired?” I said, “Why did you punish me? Why did you bring me to this country? I have nowhere to lay my head down. I can’t understand anybody.” He said, “Dumitru, didn’t I tell you I am here with you, also? I brought you to this country because this country will burn.” I said, ‘then why did you bring me here to burn? Why didn’t you let me die in my own country? You should have let me die in jail in Romania! He said, “Dumitru, have patience so I can tell you. Get on this.” I got on something next to him. I don’t know what it was. I also know that I was not asleep. It was not a dream. It was not a vision. I was awake just as I am now.

    He showed me all of California and said, “This is Sodom and Gomorrah! All of this, in one day it will burn! It’s sin has reached the Holy One.” Then he took me to Las Vegas. “This is Sodom and Gomorrah. In one day it will burn.” Then he showed me the state of New York. “Do you know what this is?” he asked. I said, “No.” He said “This is New York. This is Sodom and Gomorrah! In one day it will burn.” Then he showed me all of Florida, “This is Florida.” he said. “This is Sodom and Gomorrah! In one day it will burn.”

    Then he took me back home to the rock where we had begun. “IN ONE DAY IT WILL BURN! All of this I have shown you” – I said, “How will it burn?” He said, “Remember what I am telling you, because you will go on television, on the radio and in churches. You must yell with a loud voice. Do not be afraid, because I will be with you.” I said, “How will I be able to go? Who knows me here in America? I don’t know anybody here.” He said, “Don’t worry yourself. I will go before you. I will do a lot of healing in the American churches and I will open the doors for you. But do not say anything else besides what I tell you. This country will burn!”

    I said, “What will you do with the church?” He said, “I want to save the church, but the churches have forsaken me.” I said, “How did they forsake you?” He said, “The people praise themselves. The honor that the people are supposed to give Jesus Christ, they take upon themselves. In the churches there are divorces. There is adultery in the churches. There are homosexuals in the churches. There is abortion in the churches and all other sins that are possible.

    Because of all the sin, I have left some of the churches. You must yell in a loud voice that they must put an end to their sinning. They must turn toward the Lord. The Lord never gets tired of forgiving. They must draw close to the Lord, and live a clean life. If they have sinned until now, they must put an end to it, and start a new life as the Bible tells them to live.”

    I said, “How will America burn?” America is the most powerful country in this world. Why did you bring us here to burn? Why didn’t you at least let us die where ALL the Dudumans have died?”

    He said, “Remember this, Dumitru. The Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America. When the Americans will think that it is peace and safety – from the middle of the country, some of the people will start fighting against the government. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then from the ocean, from Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico,,..” (He told me two other countries, but I didn’t remember what they were.) “…they will bomb the nuclear warehouses. When they explode, America will burn!”

    “What will you do with the Church of the Lord? How will you save the ones that will turn toward you?” I asked. He said, “Tell them this: how I saved the three young ones from the furnace of fire, and how I saved Daniel in the lions den, is the same way I will save them.”

    The angel of the Lord also told me, “I have blessed this country because of the Jewish people who are in this country. I have seven million Jews in this country, but they do not want to recognize the Lord. They didn’t want to thank God for the blessing they received in this country. Israel doesn’t want to recognize Jesus Christ. They put their faith in the Jewish people in America. But, when America burns, the Lord will raise China, Japan, and other nations to go against the Russians. They will beat the Russians and push them all the way to the gates of Paris.

    Over there they will make a treaty, and appoint the Russians as their leaders. They will then unite against Israel. When Israel realizes she does not have the strength of America behind her, she will be frightened. That’s when she will turn to the Messiah for deliverance. That’s when the Messiah will come. Then, the church will meet Jesus in the air, and he will bring them back with Him to the Mount of Olives. At that time, the battle of Armageddon will be fought.”

    When I heard all of this I said, “if you are truly the angel of the Lord, and everything you have told me is true, then all you have said must be written in the Bible.” He said, “Tell everyone to read from Jeremiah 51:8-15, Revelation chapter 18, and Zechariah chapter 14, where Christ fights against those who possess the earth. After His victory,” the angel said, “there will be one flock and one Shepherd. There will be no need for light. The Lamb of God will be the Light. There will be no sickness, no tears, and no deaths. There will only be eternal joy and God will be the ruler. There will be only one language. Only one song. And no need for a translator! … And, Dumitru,” he continued, “a word of warning. If you keep anything from the American people that you are told, I will punish you severely.” “How will I know that this is for real -that it will really happen?” I asked. “As a sign that I have spoken to you, tomorrow before you wake, I will send someone to bring you a bed, and at noon I will send you a car and a bucket of honey. After which I will send someone to pay your rent.” The next day someone brought Dumitru a bed, and at noon a car arrived with the bucket of honey. His rent was also paid, as God had promised him. (See chapter 10, “THROUGH THE FIRE WITHOUT BURNING.”) Then the angel left.

    Excepted from:
    Dreams and Visions From God
    Copyright © 1994, 1996, 2000

  126. Another shocking vision: when it mentioned a chubby Chinese president, I was shock. Today’s Chinese president is chubby, unlike all others before him.
    He took office in 2012, China changes president every 12 years, that means the destruction have showed here will happen before year 2024, we only have about 10 years left. Please read!!!!! And check out all other dreams and vision he provided. Check him out!!! And the wedsite.


    A Vision Received by Brother Dumitru Duduman April 22, 1996

    I prayed, then went to bed. I was still awake, when suddenly I heard a trumpet sound. A voice cried out to me, “Stand!”

    In my vision, I was in America. I walked out of my home, and began to look for the one who had spoken to me. As I looked, I saw three men dressed alike. Two of the men carried weapons. One of the armed men came to me. “I woke you to show you what is to come.” He said. “Come with me.”

    I didn’t know where I was being taken, but when we reached a certain place he said, “stop here!”

    A pair of binoculars was handed to me, and I was told to look through them.

    “Stand there, don’t move, and look,” he continued. “You will see what they are saying, and what they are preparing for America.”

    As I was looking, I saw a great light. A dark cloud appeared over it. I saw the president of Russia, a short, chubby man, who said he was the president of China, and two others. The last two also said where they were from, but I did not understand. However, I gathered they were part of Russian controlled territory. The men stepped out of the cloud.

    The Russian president began to speak to the Chinese one. “I will give you the land with all the people, but you must free Taiwan of the Americans. Do not fear, we will attack them from behind.”

    A voice said to me, “Watch where the Russians penetrate America.”

    I saw these words being written: Alaska; Minnesota; Florida.

    Then, the man spoke again, “When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning.”

    The other two presidents spoke, “We, too, will fight for you.” Each had a place already planned as a point of attack.

    All of them shook hands and hugged. Then they all signed a contract. One of them said, “We’re sure that Korea and Cuba will be on our side, too. Without a doubt, together, we can destroy America.”

    The president of Russia began to speak insistently, “Why let ourselves be led by the Americans? Why not rule the world ourselves? They have to be kicked out of Europe, too! Then I could do as I please with Europe!”

    The man standing beside me asked, “This is what you saw: they act as friends, and say they respect the treaties made together. But everything I’ve shown you is how it will REALLY happen. You must tell them what is being planned against American. Then, when it comes to pass, the people will remember the words the Lord has spoken.”

    Who are you?” I asked.

    “I am the protector of America. America’s sin has reached God. He will allow this destruction, for He can no longer stand such wickedness. God however, still has people that worship Him with a clean heart as they do His work. He has prepared a heavenly army to save these people.”

    As I looked, a great army, well armed and dressed in white, appeared before me.

    “Do you see that?” the man asked. “This army will go to battle to save My chosen ones. Then, the difference between the Godly and the ungodly will be evident.”

    Excepted from:
    Dreams and Visions From God
    Copyright © 1994, 1996, 2000

  127. And please check out all others like Henry Gruver, David Wilkerson, William Branham, Perry Stone….they are have dreams & visions, and surprisingly quite similar regarding to the fate of America. I have to say we are really close to the return of Jesus Christ. A lot more closer than most people think.

    here is a website showing all of their visions:



    Why did God name America Mystery Babylon?

    “Tell them, because all the nations of the world immigrated to America with their own gods and were not stopped. Encouraged by the freedom here, the wickedness began to increase. Later on, even though America was established as a Christian nation, the American people began to follow the strange gods that the immigrants had brought in, and also turned their backs on the God who had built and prospered this country.”

  129. Hi,

    Yes, Revelation 18 is about to be fulfilled very soon. It begins
    as the Freemasons (workers of iniquity) revealed on the Great Seal of the US, no later than 2016.

    If Perry Stone knew – he would be preaching James chapter 5:1-20. But, Perry and the boys need cash flow (tithes, offering, and large gifts).

    It’s challenging, to point out “Blood Moons” (2014-2015) as Joel 2 tells us -before Day of The Lord, while seeking donations, yes?

    There was another sign in the heavens on Feast of Trumpets, 2011. Therefore,
    we are within the last days.

    So, Perry and many others put off the coming “judgement”as long as possible – beyond the end of these Blood Moons and the sackcloth sun (March 20, 2015 – first day of Sping).

    Judgement upon the US (NYC)? Yes.

    There are two large Egyptian (occult) style structures in Washington DC.

    The George Washington monument is in the shape of an Egyptian obelisk, “evoking the timelessness of ancient civilizations, the Washington Monument embodies the awe, respect, and gratitude the nation felt for its most essential Founding Father.”

    Obelisk: “…markers of time and place, raised by late Egyptian pharaohs in commemoration of anniversaries, victories, and the favor bestowed on them by the gods.”

    The obelisk has another “spiritual” meaning – connecting to a spiritual/physical act, substituting for a mutilated Pharaoh for his queen.

    At the dedication of the Washington Monument in 1885, a speech by then-elderly Robert Winthrop, “The storms of winter must blow and beat upon it … the lightnings of Heaven may scar and blacken it. An earthquake may shake its foundations [occurred in 2011], but the character which it commemorates and illustrates is secure.”

    The GW monument is 555ft (6660 inches) in height and 55ft (666 inches) x 55ft (666 inches) at the base. This is the highest, most dominate structure built to honor the Beast (666) in the world, standing in plain sight.

    There is also the George Washington Masonic Memorial, fashioned after the ancient Lighthouse of Alexandria in Egypt.

    Built to honor George Washington – “To inspire humanity through education to emulate and promote the virtues, character and vision of George Washington, the Man, the Mason and Father of our Country.”

    These are facts, representing the pagan (occult) culture of Egypt within the US government. There are many structures in the nation that give honor and glory to the occult (Psalm 64).

    There is an Egyptian obelisk in NYC too.

    The total height of the reconstructed World Trade Center (including the One World Tower) is 6660 feet. Clue?

    Please look at the back if a US dollar bill to see the “all seeing eye” (Horus/Satan), floating above the pyramid. This seal is a Masonic calendar, pointing to the NWO (Beast), operational by 2016.

    2016? Bank on it because they do.

    NYC will receive a nuke in harbor very soon.

    How do a few folks know?

    The event in NYC harbor (as well as destruction of Hoover Dam) as well as 9/11 are printed in US currency.

    Who prints the currency?

    Those who serve Satan. Those who support the Beast (Satan’s global system).

    Psalm 27

    • How true!!!

      It is a very interesting post. America is the Final Religious, Commercial and Political-Military Babylon!

      Please try to look at this website:

      In all these visions, we can have a glimpse of the time frame.

      The rapture will happen after the destruction of Babylon(America), when Russia and other nations attack Israel that make her call out the Lord Jesus Christ for deliverance, that’s when Jesus return, right before Armageddon. The chosen ones will be caught in the air and gather on the mount of Olive. Then, the Armageddon begin.

      Isn’t that exciting?

      But before that, I believe we will still have to see the anti-christ come out, dominate America and have great influence of the BRICS alliance, force the mark of beast, and prosecute Christians. We will be tested.

      • Jones,

        I’ve seen and read through that website. Marianne has a few of this dreams within pages of Heaven Awaits.

        The dream regarding a house that remaims standing is what I believe occurs (wise virgins within house churches, Matthew 25).

        These Believers within the house are within a spiritual ark like Noah in his ark.

        These wise virgins within the house have the Blood of the Lamb upon the door as Israelites on Passover. The Israelites were not subjected to any plagues and neither are “children of the light” (1st Thess 5:5).

        These wise virgins within the house left standing are members of the Philly church (Rev. 3:7-13) and not Baptists or any denomination filled with religion, theology (Roman) and hermeneutics (Greek), which are the wisdom of men. The Word and His Blood is alive and powerful (Rev. 12:11).

        Then, He comes at the last trumpet (7th of 7) as King of kings and Lord of lords.

        You may enjoy this page, which should occur very soon.

        Psalm 27

  130. HI DJ,

    When you said”Yes, Revelation 18 is about to be fulfilled very soon. It begins
    as the Freemasons (workers of iniquity) revealed on the Great Seal of the US, no later than 2016.”

    Where does the Great Seal of the US showing the time of 2016? What will exactly happen in 2016?

    • Jones,

      Before I explain the Masonic calendar on the Great Seal, you should gain a little more understanding of the occult workings within the US, including the currency (Fed. Reserve) and Washington DC.

      Here are a few short videos.

      The layout of Washington DC tells us the level of details with which the occult of Freemasonry apply their work.

      Remember, the Founding Fathers (Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, James Mason, John Jay, Madison, and even Paul Revere) do not worship God or His Son. They are 33 degree Masons who follow the light of Lucifer.

      We are not one nation under God. We are one nation under GOD (god in caps). Individuals may be Believers in Jesus Christ and confess that He is Lord. But, as a nation of people or a government of the people by the people – “we the people” do not confess that Jesus is God’s Son.

      This is why the phrase “IN GOD WE TRUST” is acceptable to everyone because the word represents god (in caps) not God. Savvy?

      Just because a President (like George Washington) puts his hand upon a Masonic Bible does not mean he believes in God or he believes that Jesus is the Son of God. George was a 33 degree Freemason and his followers (Masonic brothers and sisters) believe that George attained a god like afterlife. Proof of this believe is within the art work of the Capital Rotunda.

      A Freemason architect designed the layout of DC and the Capital along with most if not all Federal buildings and monuments. This video (watch all 23 segments if you like) will explain some details.

      These videos explain US Currency and the Great Seal.

      Messages printed on US Currency depict events that occurred and will occur.

      The individuals leading, operating the Fed Reserve are Masons and/or Karbala occultist. These folks (political and economic elite at local, state and national levels) include Rockefeller and other well known corporate and political families.

      With the above as some background the following explains the Great Seal.

      Please look at the Great Seal on the US Dollar and follow along.

      Masonic US Founding Fathers along with those 33 degree Masons in England, France and Bavaria selected 1776 as the year of independence, birthing a NWO. It takes decades to achieve such a grand, complex strategic plan.

      The Masons applied the date 1776 on the base of their pyramid graphic (Great Seal) as type of calendar, or count down to when their NWO arrives.

      The NWO arrives when the capstone (“all seeing eye”) is placed upon the peak of the pyramid.

      The “all seeing eye” is floating over the top of the pyramid on the Great Seal. This represents “Horus” who is an Egyptian occult representation of Lucifer/Satan.

      The year at the base of the pyramid graphic on the Great Seal is 1776 (MDCCLXXVI).

      There are 13 levels on the pyramid of the Great Seal (representing the 13 colonies/states).

      Masons long ago called 1776 “The Year of Light.”

      Next –

      Masons (including World Trade Center developers – Rockefeller) adhered to the Kabbala along with Egyptian pagan/occult rites, rituals and believes.

      Betsy’s video (linked above) explains the George Washington Arch in NYC and 9/11, providing an indication of the level of detail and pre-planning involved with the occult world, which operates in plain sight. Please, watch those videos.

      The Kabbala states:

      “240 years before the seventh millennium (i.e., the year 6000 from creation), the lower waters will rise and cover the entire world, and only Eretz Yisroel [the Land of Israel] will remain, which will float on the surface of the water like Noach’s Ark; they will approach Gan Aiden [Garden of Eden], the place from which the four rivers leave. The people who survive will be completely righteous, and there they will be whitened, purified, and made spiritual.” (Yalkut Reuveini, Shichechus Leket, “Eretz Yisroel v’Chutz L’Aretz,” 6; in the name of the Rokeach–Gali Razyah)

      Not only do Masons know Egyptian occult, but they read/follow the Kabbala and how to convert the Hebrew calendar into the Gregorian calendar.

      Next –

      The height of the Great Pyramid in Egypt is 5776 inches with the capstone (“all seeing eye”) in place.

      The Great Pyramid is represented on The Great Seal of the US with a date of 1776 at the base, birthing of the first Masonic Nation under the watchful “all seeing eye” (Lucifer/Satan).

      So now, let’s put this all together – “a secret in plain sight” as it is understood by those who study such puzzles.

      The Great Seal was designed by Ben Franklin (33 degree Mason) with a Latin phrase identifying the birthing of a NWO (1776).

      The height of the Great Pyramid (represented on the Great Seal) is 5776 inches in height.

      5776 in the Hebrew calendar year just happens to be 2016 in the Gregorian.

      The “building” of the NWO (likened to building The Great Pyramid) began in 1776.

      We read in the Kabbala that the number of years before the 7th millennium is 240.

      1776 (birth of a NWO) + 240 (Kabbala reference, entering into the 7th millennium) = 2016.

      The NWO becomes operational when the capstone (“all seeing eye”) is applied to top or the pyramid (NWO) or when Lucifer/Satan (in the flesh as the son of perdition) is seated as leader of the NWO, 2016.

      The Masons put their NWO calendar (Latin phrase, year, height of the Great Pyramid) as a calendar on the Great Seal of their United States (first Masonic government).

      Barry, is the first gay President of the US (Masonic Government). He will be leading the NWO as the son of perdition no later than one day in 2016.

      Barry rode out on the white horse (2008) as a Presidential nominee.
      He was given a crown (prize) for peace on October 9, 2009 (Feasts of Tabernacles).

      The first seal is open. So is the second and third.

      The last of the Blood Moons end in September, 2015 (Feast of Tabernacles) and a few people think this is the sign before the Great Day of the Lord begins. This would be the opening of the 6th seal within 2015 into 2016.

      Interesting that the Mason’s calendar depicts 2016 as the beginning of the NWO, which is the year after the Blood Moons of 2014-15 and a sackcloth sun (total eclipse) on the first day of Spring, 2015.

      The year 2017 is significant too.

      The Jubilee count (49 years and into a Jubilee year) is another indicator of the end of the age and His return.

      Let’s begin with 1917 and the Balfour Declaration

      “His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

      “The initial draft of the declaration, contained in a letter sent by Rothschild to Balfour, referred to the principle ‘that Palestine should be reconstituted as the National Home of the Jewish people’ (Stein, Leonard (1961). The Balfour Declaration. New York: Simon and Schuster. p. 470.)

      1917 is a Jubilee year.

      50 years later = 1967 and another Jubilee year.

      “The liberation of Jerusalem in 1967 marked the first time in thousands of years that the entire city of Jerusalem, the holiest city in Judaism, was under Jewish sovereignty. The destruction of Jerusalem was a watershed event in Jewish history that began thousands of years of mourning for Jerusalem, so, it follows, that the reunification of Jerusalem should be a joyous celebration that begins the process of reversing thousands of years of destruction and exile. Jerusalem is central to the Jewish tradition. Jews face in the direction of Jerusalem and all of the prayer services are filled with references to Jerusalem.

      The observance of Yom Yerushalayim outside of the city cannot compare to its celebration in reunited Jerusalem. In Jerusalem, thousands of people march around the city and walk through the liberated Old City, where Jews were denied access from 1948 to 1967 while it was under Jordanian control”.

      1967 + 49 years = 2016 (Masonic NWO year and The Day of The Lord). Then, a Jubilee year of 2017.

      Psalm 28

  131. Babylon is the great city of Las Vegas Nevada. The double portion is the three massive earthquakes while fire and brimstone or meteorites fall on Las Vegas. In gematria you calculate the number 666=sss=isis. I was in a spiritual warfare with the principalities of darkness. I have the seal of God protection, and was out in Las Vegas and demons would follow me everywhere like I was a movie star, but they could not touch, talk, hurt me or look into my eyes. The unclean birds would fly into each other and go crazy when I walked around. Now we know that the fall of Babylon takes place when there are 7 king and 5 have fallen and 1 is and the seventh isn’t but was and will be 7th and 8th for a short period. This represents the G8 and Russia was the 8th but was removed and is included in the 7th because Russia was replaced with the EU. The 10 other heads or small kingdoms that are with Russia is the 10 Soviet Union territories. The 7 mountains or hills are the 7 major hills that are on the 7 major faults in Las Vegas. Russia hates the United States and so Babylon is the city of Las Vegas which is in the US. Look up earthquakes in Nevada and you will see they are having swarms of them every day. Now the cup of God’s wrath is the big dipper turned upside down like pouring from the constellation leo which is the tribe of Christ or Judah and is in the spring like March. Now we Know that the euphrates river is dried up now and the battle of armageddon is getting to take place very soon. It is the power of God that works and protect me and it is not my power. Just in Luke chapter 10 God sent out 72 disciples and gave them the power over all the principalities of darkness and nothing could hurt them and for them to say that the kingdom is at hand. God has blessed me with eyes to see and ears to hear and he gets all the credit. God is coming very soon and it will be like a thief in the night. I hope this helps.

    • hi joe

      I had not heard that interpretation before. I was aware that nevada city was on 7 hills, but not las vegas. may god keep you safe from all the trouble that will hit america.

  132. Hear fulfillment of 2thess2:3-4 on video called, “Christ testimony of the churches around the world”. Just Google name of video and hear my testimony!

    Hello my name is Deborah. Please read my message and hear my testimony.

    Many Christ believers in these churches are asking me, who are you?

    I am the witness of Rev 11:3 and the woman of Rev 12:6. These two are the same person. I am witness in seeing beast ascend out of pit and in spiritual perdition as I send my testimony and biblical prophetic message night and day to churches around the world.

    The one true living G-d and his Christ brought me out of worship buildings known as churches, which are Rev 17:5.

    G-d thru his only word revealed truths about spiritual false image, church leaders, and their followers in these worship buildings spread out on earth.

    I am telling truth, G-d brought me out of Rev 17:5 both physically and spiritually 2 Peter 2:18; Col 1:13. Then G-d anointed me and sent me spiritually into the Great City Rev11:8. I spiritually saw my body leave my bedroom and go down into the earth. So as I send biblical prophetic message and my testimony to these churches around the world, I see night and day people’s spirits in this Great City which is spiritually connected to all churches on the earth!

    The beast, who is Rev 17:8 and comes from devil Rev 13:2;Isaiah 14:13;2 Thess 2:9 deceiving church people in worship buildings spread out on earth Dan 11:45;Rev 17:8;Luke 4:9;Dan 8:24-25;Dan 9:26-27.

    These worship buildings are according to 2Thess 2:3-4 which is 2 Tim 3:5; Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Luke 6:26; 2 Peter 2:1; Matt24:23>Luke 17:20-21.

    This is where you see huge flocks of people in diver places of worship known as “Revivals” and “Church Services”Matt 24:23; Luke 17:20-23!, which is Rev 16:14 and “Mystery of Iniquity” Matt 24:12; 2thess2:7!

    As we get closer to the end thousands even millions of people following a “MAN” Rev 13:18; Rom 1:23,25, like the pope or famous Christian evangelists, even famous T.V. Network Matt 24:24,26; Rev 17:17!

    Rev 18:22-24,And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in you Is 5:12; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in you; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in you; And the light of a candle Luke11:35 shall shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in you (increase ministers increase divorces in the land Dan 8:12;Ezk8:17): for your ministers were the great men of the earth Rom 10:3-4;2 Cor 11:15; for by your sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of holy prophets, and of the holy ones Rev 6:9-10;John 16:2;Luke 21:12-13, and of all that were killed upon the earth 2thess2:7;Ezk 9:9.

    Many church leaders around the world believe Joel 2:28-29 is already happening. The real truth about outpouring of G-d’s spirit upon all flesh happens after people of G-d come out of these churches around the world and the testimony of two witnesses of G-d are finished in Rev 11:3,7 to escape judgment of G-d coming to all churches Rev 18:4-5;Dan 8:11; Rev 11:2!

    People of G-d must leave all churches and get into prayer Matt 6:33 for their household to receive Joel 2:28-29 to escape spiritual plagues Rev 18:4,1Peter 4:17;John 16:11. Be ready for Great Tribulation Matt 24:21, and coming son of G-d Luke 21:36.

    Rev 17:5 is Babylon the Great, The” Mother” of Harlots and all her buildings set up for worship “Churches”. This worldwide church system spread out on earth is spiritually connected to “Mother” church in Rome Dan7:7,19-20>Rev 13:1-2 and the Great City Rev11:8.

    This “Mother’ and all churches on the earth including the one you attend, support is subjected to judgment of G-d 1 Peter 4:17-18;Rev 14:7-11, and soon to receive the spiritual plagues Rev 9:4;Rev 22:18-19.

    Rev 17:8 is spiritual false image which comes from men during Roman Empire who changed truth of G-d into a lie. They changed Isaiah 9:5 to Isaiah 9:6KJV! This is what disciple Paul and John were talking about during their time about these certain men and what they would do with the scriptures Acts 20:29-30;”Romans”1:23,25;1John 2:18-19.

    These men formed the “Roman’s” Catholic “Mother’ church in Rome, Italy and created winter holiday (Matt 24:20; Rev 11:10) to center their teachings on Isaiah 9:6KJV to the nations! They created “Winter Holiday” to support a scripture that was written different from the Torah version!

    “Rev 13:8,And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him Rev 17:8, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world”.

    These men in Rome put together Holy Bible took away correct words of Torah, words of Messiah, and words of the disciple’s testimonies Rev 22:18-19!

    John the Baptist is called, “John The Prophet”Luke 1:76;Matt 21:26!

    In 1Tim 3:16 they added “god”. It is “Christ, Word of G-d” 1 Tim 3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: “Christ, Word of G-d” was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit of G-d, seen of angels, proclaim to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory John 1:14; 1John 1:1;1John 4:2.
    Here are scriptures that confirm correction for 1 Tim 3:16.
    Christ manifested in the flesh: John 1:6,30, 33-34;Heb 1:1-2; Heb 2:14,16; Heb 5:7-8
    Christ justified by the Spirit of G-d: John 5:32, 36-37; 14:10; Acts 2:22; Acts 10:38; Isaiah 53:10-11; Roms 3:25-26; 8:30,33; 1 Peter 3:18; Hebs 10:12; 1 Tim 2:5-6
    Seen of Angels: Luke 2:15, 17-18
    Proclaim to the gentiles: Matt 4:13-16; Matt 24:14; Acts 28:28
    Believed on in the world: Matt 24:14 Received up into glory: John 16:28; Acts 1:9-11.
    In Matt 16:18 they added “Church”. The correct word is “Kingdom” Matt 16:18, And I say also to you, That you are disciple Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Kingdom; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it Eph 2:20;2 Samuel 7:12-13;Hebrews 8:1-2;Mark 14:58.

    2Cor4:4, In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, less the light of the glorious “Words” of Christ, who is the “Son” of G-d, should shine to them 1John 4:15;1 John 4:2.

    They changed many scriptures of “Son of G-d” and put in “Son of Man”.

    Matt 24:30,And then shall appear the sign of the Son of G-d in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of G-d coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Also in Matt 24: verse 37,39,and 44.

    Matt 26:63-65,But Christ held his peace, And the high priest answered and said to him, I adjure you by the living G-d, that you tell us whether you be the Christ, the Son of G-d. Christ said to him, You have said: nevertheless I say to you, Hereafter shall you see the “Son of G-d” sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven Rev 1:7. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He has spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now you have heard his blasphemy Matt 27:43; John 19:7.

    Disciple Stephen said “Son of G-d” in Acts 7:56, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of G-d standing on the right hand of G-d Luke 3:22,And the Spirit of G-d descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him “The Christ”, and a voice came from heaven, which said, You are my beloved Son; in you I am well pleased.

    1John 4:14-15, we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whosoever shall confess Christ is the Son of G-d, G-d dwells in him, and he in G-d.

    1 John 5:5,Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Christ is the Son of G-d

    Testimonies of Christ proclaimed as “Son of G-d” John 1:18;Luke 1:32;Matt 16:16;Acts 9:20, John 1:34,45,49;1 John 5:13.

    What is daily sacrifice in book of Daniel? Daily sacrifice is proclaiming daily the sufferings and death of Christ on the tree Gal 3:13. This is the true power of G-d Heb 2:14;John 17:2.

    1 Cor 1:17-18,For Christ sent me not to immerse in water, but to proclaim the word: not with words of wisdom of men, less the tree of Christ should be made of none effect. For the proclaiming of the tree is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of G-d 1 Peter 3:18.

    Acts 26:22-23,Having therefore obtained help of G-d, I continue to this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the Holy prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should show light to the people, and to the Gentiles Luke 24:44-46.

    The death of Christ’s body on the tree destroyed all powers of the devil and put to death all works of the flesh! (Rom 8:3;1 Cor 1:29;2 Cor 4:11;Gal2:20; Gal 5:24;Col 2:11;Heb 2:14; Heb 10:20; 1Peter 4:1-2; 1 Cor 15:31;Rom 6:23)

    More truths..

    No rapture before or during Great Tribulation Dan 12:10,Many shall be purified (Joel2:28-29), and made white, and tried (Rev 7:14); but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    In Rev 19:12 Christ given a new name because church leaders and their followers using name of Christ in these worship buildings Rev 17:8;Matt 7:22-23;Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:15;2 Thess 2:9-10.

    Many believers have already left these “Churches” Rev 15:2 and in prayer for coming spiritual event Joel 2:28-29!

    Don’t be a foolish virgin Matt 25:6!

    Eph 5:14, Wherefore he says, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead 2Tim3:5;Matt23:27;Jude 1:12;Matt 16:12,

    And Christ shall give you light 2 Cor 6:17, Wherefore come out from among them, and be you separate, says the L-d, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you Ezk 22:26; Mrk1:23;Rev 18:2.

    I am very serious because in Rev 9 these things will get released upon the earth and go to church people in every worship building around the world known as “Spiritual Plagues” Rev 18:2; Joel 2:2-10; Dan 2:41-43.

    This message is for real and G-d is calling his people to turn away, come out from among them and get into prayer. Believe and receive the love of the truth. The three and a half years of the testimony and spiritual perdition almost finished. Again Hear my testimony fulfillment of 2thess 2:3-4 on video called, “Christ testimony of the churches around the world”

    • Witness,

      Amen and Amen.

      “No rapture before or during Great Tribulation…Many shall be purified (Joel2:28-29), and made white, and tried (Rev 7:14); but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

      In Rev 19:12 Christ given a new name because church leaders and their followers using name of Christ in these worship buildings (Rev 17:8; Matt 7:22-23; Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:15;2 Thess 2:9-10).

      Don’t be a foolish virgin Matt 25:6!

      Eph 5:14, Wherefore he says, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead (2nd Timothy 3:5; Matt. 23:27; Jude 1:12; Matt. 16:12), and Christ shall give you light.”


      Witness – what your addressing is what some of us call – a spirit of unbelief (aka a spirit of religion), which is rooted in Theology (Roman term, study of god as students study society with Sociology) and nourished with Hermeneutics (Greek term, study of written communication as a work of philosophy).

      By Theology and Hermeneutics are substitutes for Hebrew understanding in the study of NT Scriptures. And, Theology and Hermeneutics have replaced the Spirit of Truth (John 16:13).

      “Awake Oh sleeper” (Ephesians 5:14) is not for the pagan, unbelieving soul but for the sleeping Christ follower resting in a church building under the teachings of theologians who apply hermeneutics.

      Where is deliverance ministry, healing ministry and the works of the Church? Certainly they are present in China (Brother Yun, “The Heavenly Man”).

      Soon, all virgins will awaken. Then the wise will gather within house churches (Isaiah 26:20), protected just as Noah within the ark until His return.

      The wise virgins are “in Christ” with vessels filled with the Spirit of Truth (Isaiah 11:1-3), covered by the Blood of the Lamb (Romans 5:8, Colossians 1:14, 1st Peter 1:18-20 and Rev. 12:11).

      God bless you (Psalm 20).

      Psalm 34

  133. Babylon is U.S.A & mystery city is none other than Las Vegas! 0:)

    Pharisees of Jesus’ day were the Bible experts, yet God walked among them and they called Him the devil!

    Many read ‘Revelation’ yet do not have eyes to see. They are experts in theology and most certainly can spout scripture…often spouting like the step-ford wives of the things which they have learned from a “false prophet” or leaders of churches who do not have spiritual eyes to see either. I VERY much understand how even the elect will be fooled…because they are fooled and deceived right now.

    Just as the star shined bright in Bethlehem–EVERYONE saw it in the sky but why did only a few ‘chosen’ people KNOW what it meant– our Savior-Jesus the Messiah was being born?

    Many are called but few are ‘chosen.’

    The only chosen ones who knew about that Star and what it REALLY meant were the ones that Hashem had spoken with or sent angel messengers to prior to this event.It is called ‘revelation’ and God gave them revelation before it happened. Simple as that.

    For those who have wisdom…

    It is not just literal-but spiritual wisdom-hidden knowledge of the mysteries of Yeshua which are whispered to those who hear the Holy Spirit…and those that Yeshua chooses to tell.

    God is seated on his throne in heaven holding a scroll kept closed with seven seals that no one can open except for a 7-eyed, 7-horned lamb. GREAT JUDGEMENT!

    Martyrs calling out for justice!! All of the martyrs in heaven have been heard.

    USA is Babylon
    Las Vegas is the city–Mystery Babylon
    Yes. Las Vegas sits on 7 hills
    Yes. All foul demons reside there!
    Yes. Desert.
    Yes. Las Vegas= multitudes of peoples, nations and tongues
    Port city? Not yet.
    There is a huge nuclear repository for waste and it sits on top of a ‘dormant’ volcano as of now.(Gov. site-check it out yourself) Government has been dumping bio-hazardous materials on top of this dormant volcano site since early 60’s.
    Catastrophic earthquake 9.8 will occur.
    This I believe is the great earthquake of the 7th seal.
    It will activate and awaken the dormant volcano. It will open up the ground, exposing the biohazard/radiation waste as well as the volcanic spew.
    No rock will ever be used-biohazard-radiation.

    The bible speaks about the ships that look upon “the mystery city” from very far away (for good reason dontchathink?) burning and on fire, crying about the glitz and glamour of their amazing city. They are mourning over their place of sin being utterly destroyed by God!
    The spiritual wisdom here is that it is NOT a port city as of YET.
    This great earthquake will cause a reaction of other major catastrophic earthquakes to be set off (They will all be greater than 8. ) and it will make much of the West Coast fall into the sea.
    Yes. More nuclear hazards from the coast of San Diego will fall into the sea as well! From the air and water–the sea will be very toxic and dangerous. Nobody will be rescued because of these things I speak of. Boats will look from afar when demon infested Las Vegas crumbles, burns and then is pulled deep down into the earth-into the pits of hell.

    The voice of the bride & bridegroom will be heard no more!
    I can guarantee you that the ‘bridegroom Yeshua’ will always be heard, so the prophet was not speaking of the Lord. He was speaking about the sinful men & women who did not listen to God’s messengers.
    Did you know that Las Vegas is the WEDDING CAPITOL OF THE WORLD? Vows to God but married in Sin city? You don’t see that as offensive to a Holy God? I do.

    My vision-I was standing on top of vatican-my purse-demons-devil was there at the bottom of the ‘downward’ stairs. The Vatican has huge $$$ investments in Las Vegas! Surprised? People’s tithes used in such a way causes the martyrs to scream out for justice to the Lord!

    The investors are losing HUGE MONEY in Las Vegas for the past 5 yrs. They are in the red. They HATE Las Vegas now because it is a HUGE money loss & everyday they lose more and more money. Insurance policies–they will recoup their losses very shortly.

    FOLLOW the $$$!!

    ( Read carefully…next verse of scripture explains it clearly)

    Revelation 17

    Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot (LAS VEGAS) sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. And the ten horns (The 10 kings–NWO) which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. (Why would they hate the harlot? Their loss of money!)

    For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
    (My vision of 10 kings–the 10 kings of revelation are going to be ushered in when this happens. They will only be able to usher them in by great destruction–RFID (mark of the beast 666) implementation due to the great loss of life–multitudes…they will say it will be for your own good. Do not believe it! Don’t fall for it.)

    And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

    Mystery city Babylon = Las Vegas
    A woman representing a Gold cup held and poured out.
    There’s that GOLD CUP again.
    Judgment coming for the evil that has been done against the Martyrs of Jesus
    Her forehead has the answers written to the mystery.
    Her forehead is marked for Christ-sealed to know this very revelation-the very amazing mystery of this foul demon infested city-Devil very angry!!
    People keep saying the woman who rides the beast is bad. She is not. She is good. Spiritual wisdom people! Wake up! wake up! wake up!
    The colors she wears
    Scarlett=RED The color of blood shed by Christ’s martyrs.
    PURPLE=Jesus’s robe of Righteousness.
    The devil is a counterfeiter and he wants you to think that it is ROME’s colors but it is not.
    Rome is involved and part of the 10 kings but they will survive the destruction of the city of Babylon because it is not them. They get destroyed later down the road.
    She rides the beast=controlling their evilness=literal and spiritual.
    She holds the mysteries that they try to hide-an evil objective of all that they do and design but they can’t stop it-God can not be stopped!
    She rides them–controls them but only for a time.

    Yeshua says in one of my visions:
    (I believe him!)

    When the seventh seal is opened,
    (The Angel in my vision–7th seal)
    Shalom Sinai = The peace treaty signing =Daniel’s 70th week starts.
    so there you go! 0:)

  134. Joan,

    Vegas and the Hoover Dam goes down when NYC goes down.

    Did you know…

    The rebuilt World Trade Center complex of buildings (collective height) is 6660 ft (666 x 10). Wow, that’s a coincidence of various heights equaling 10 times 666. They planned that down to the lineal foot.

    The One World Tower is 1776 ft in hight, looking like 2 pyramids (up/down) with an Islamic minaret on top.

    Maybe this is a modern Tower of Babel?

    NYC (within its own Egyptian obelisk in Central Park) is home to World Trade when you realize the worldwide scope of Mystery Babylon, advancing liberty to sin, live for the belly, and aspire to happiness via financial success.

    Did you know…

    The largest pagan symbol to the Beast (666) is the GW Monument (pagan, Egyptian obelisk): 555 ft (6660″) in hight and 55 ft (666″) by 55 ft (666″) at the base.

    The Beast (666) is not a nation or a family or a religion but a construct.

    The Masons are significant players. They built Hoover Dam too!

    The Beast is international in scope with significant power (economic, institutional, political, military, culture/media and religion) to move Satan’s global agenda and strategic plan – aka The Beast.

    Yes indeed – follow the money.

    Psalm 27

  135. Babylon is fallen: once in year 2008 of October. Babylon is fallen; twice in year 2015 of October and nebuacarnezzar ate grass like oxen and drank the dew of heaven upon it for exactly 7 years. Babylon is the world economy of commercial activity the revelations reveals to us.

  136. Let Him who has understanding count the number of the beast (1/3rd portion of mankind) for it IS a number of a Man being 666 (666 is short for 6.666666666 billion of humanity out of the 20 billion [human] spirit entities formed later coming into physical flesh in cosmological time). These 1/3rd are the corporsate Satan.

  137. In the beginning 144 persons [in the form of God] who have a name (nature) above everyone else said “Let us make man (20 billion) into our same Image and likenesses”. These 144 also had to come in the likeness of sinful flesh to partake of the same thinking it not robbery to be equal to God in that beginning but took on the form of a servant (of flesh) and humbled himself to the cross to die for the other 20 billion making it possible for them to also escape death due to sin.

    • who are these 144 persons who created heaven and earth?

      • The congregation of 144 as a unified One body (Christ- both Alpha and Omega God and the the first Adam; the second Adam) who sits upon the two sides of the universal north (omega) “for situation”. The two sides (the imaginary, abstract, invisible boundary realm is where the eternal / constant unchanging Laws exists giving the interior fields of space (the world-universe0 its values which are determined by the free will choices of agents made from and in the same Image of the Heavenly. However a third rebelled against the higher Laws (He is the Lawgiver) and corrupted the rest of 2/3rds (Adam 144 and Eve 14.4 billion) along with all animate (animals) and inanimate creation. In the last generation born just before entering the 7th last universal day 1600 furlongs or 1600 millions are redeemed from the curse as the blood of Christ rises upwards to the white horses bridles upon which they ride with Christ (as 144) upon His white horse to fight the armies of the beast (5600 millions). Note 1800 is one fourth part of earth where you can locate the 4 horse riders being white,black,red, and gray of a total population of 7.2 billion that have been already born in history up to December 21, 2012. 1600 millions are the bride of christ in the small and 200 million are the most evil of humanity also the second beast the 5400 are the first beast. The wall (salvation – Isaiah 60) is measured (experienced of salvation) to be 144 cubits. the people of God are living stones. Upon the foundations of that white marbled stone mansion symbolic of a 1600 square foot house a name is written upon each 1 square foot of stone. In one of my many dreams on shepard street in the city I live a house was given me and in the natural I found out it to be exactly 1600 square feet. It was on the north side of a butte. I made a purchase ( a redemption) for that house paid for by my blood, sweat, and toil. In another there were 5 steps upward 5 represents grace in which I was to ascend with golden handles and a blue platform where singers play instruments and sing (the new song) and at the back of this platform a tall 30 foot high white marbled mansion that was my final home. there is so much more….

    • Am I reading Mormonism?

  138. No, 666 is clearly the number of the Beast and the Antichrist; the false Messiah. 6 is the number of man; 3 is God’s number of perfection. So “he” will be “the perfect man” at least to the world and may well be the Muslims Maadi.

  139. Although 12 is the number for governments, there is no mention of 144 creating anything. Genesis uses the plural–“let us make man in our image …” and the assumption is that this is Elohim but the NT is quite clear that Jesus is the creator, cf. Hebrews.

  140. Have read The Book of Mormon and the Quran; neither agrees with the Bible so either the Bible is wrong or they are. I have many Mormon friends and some of them are saved despite their goofy theology such as every male is an elder, the Aaronic priesthood and special underwear is part of the Church age? etc.

    Read a book written by the President of the Mormons about 20 years ago which explained their problem. It’s similar to Catholics although their theology is not Catholic. But both “churches” are erroneously built upon men and the teachings of men. The true Church that Jesus died for, which is composed of many individuals from different denominations, etc., is “built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone” (Eph. 2:20) and the authority rests in the Scriptures, not in men like the pope or the head of the Mormon church.

    I’ve said for many years in ministry that it’s quite puzzling with something as important as salvation and eternal life that people, e.g., those raised in a cult or false religion like Islam, would not think it important enough to study it for themselves instead of blindly going to a false church or mosque week after week.

    But we’ve dealt with religious spirits for years, e.g., Jehovah’s Witnesses is another one. The religious spirit is strong and not easy to dislodge. But my wife and I have both been privileged to go to Heaven many times. I always tell Mormons, for example, “Do you know there are no Mormons in Heaven? There are also no Baptists, Methodists or Church of Christ. There are only people “from every nation, tongue and tribe” who have been washed in the Blood of the Lamb.”

    As the old gosple tract reads on the front page and it’s true: One Way!

  141. It could sill he after the rapture, if the marriage feast is after the martyed saits have made it to heaven. The rapture, tribulation/fall of mystery babylon, “end time saints”, then supper. Correct?

    • dallas

      yes babylon may fall after all things have been accomplished, as prophesied in bible. this fall is mentioned toward the end of the book of revelation.

      some think the fall of babylon might actually start the tribulation.

      so wait and see.

  142. Dallas,

    When we see NYC hit by a nuke in the coming months – you’ll have your answer.

    You see, Lucifer knows all about Revelation and Scriptures. He knows when evens will occur.

    The only item in the book of Revelation that Lucifer and his minions (spiritual and human) don’t know relates to the 7 Thunders.

    Lucifer has prepared for what is coming to his “kingdom on earth” in order to keep his Beast system moving and those loyal to him believing Lucifer is in control not God.

    At the same time, Lucifer is actively working to deceive as many Christians as possible as to the “times and seasons” (1st Thess. 5:1-10).

    Satan (Lucifer) shares his vast knowledge with those who worship him and they implement his plans, thinking/believing they will be rewarded in his kingdom.

    The nuke event in NYC is one of these plans. Those who worship Lucifer know what coming to “Babylon” as we read in Rev. 17-18.

    The end of the current lunar/solar cycle of eclipses is significant.

    It is best to do more than simply – wait and see.

    Isaiah 26:20-21, “Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation [wrath] is past. For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity [rebellion]…”

    Zephaniah 2:3, “Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden in the day of the LORD’s anger.”

    Zephaniah calls to the meek (sermon on the mount description) who practice His ordinances, to seek righteousness (be clothed in His robe) and seek humility.;EXB;NKJV

    Zephaniah’s call is amplified in Joel 2:12-17 – when we realize the Day of the Lord is about to begin (“moon turns to blood”).;EXB;NKJV

    “…Consecrate a fast, call a sacred assembly; Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children and nursing babes; Let the bridegroom go out from his chamber, and the bride from her dressing room” (Joel 2:15-16).

    Since I know (confidence when reading 1st Thess. 5:1-10) that the Day of the Lord begins very soon (post Blood Moons on Hebrew Feast days 2014-2015) we have something to do.

    We are to seek humility before Almighty God (Zephaniah 2:1-3), fast/pray (Joel 2:12-17), being sober or having self control (1st Thess. 5:6).

    The most important verse to understand and apply is found in Revelation 12:11

    Psalm 27

  143. For Mystery Babylon to fall before the Rapture, this would negate the Pre-trib Rapture theory and make it void. As Mystery Babylon would not go down until she has killed the Tribulation saints and Martyres.

    Personally, from what I have read in Revelations, it doesnt seem like the Rapture happends until after Babylons fall right before the Marriage supper of the Lamb. I do believe in a Rapture but im convinced the only ones raptured are those whom are deceased from their graves and those whom
    suffered a cruel death for their faith in Christ or
    those whom died for refusing the Mark of the
    Beast sytem.

    The very fact that the saints and Martyres are killed by Mystery Babylon, makes the Pre-trib Rapture a farce. Theres also a difference between the wrath of God and wrath of Man or at the hands of the Un-Holy trinity. Pre-tribulation proponants never consider this fact.

    Yes, we believers will be proteced from that hour of temptation and from recieving the Mark, but that does not mean we will not suffer a Physical death for our decision.

    The Church, the saints will suffer through the Tribulation.

    • As far as MYSTERY BABYLONS identity, its easy for one to think she is the Catholic Church, because Catholicism has killed many people during both Inquisitions, the Catholic church has also fought against Israel when she fought with Hitler, not to mention killing Jews, Protestants, those in Spain, and the former Yugoslavia for refusing to submit to Catholic doctrine. The Catholic Church despite all her crimes against humanity, still believes the Church to be Infallable and is still highly regarded, and filthy rich. The church has kept possesions of all those she has killed. The Catholic church also shares or exchanges Embassadors withevery nation on Earth, which can be considered to commit Fornication with all the Nations of the world. The Catholic Church has also commited numerous actsof blasphemy, idolatry, and etc, that she is a strong Leading candidate.

      What makes it hard to point the finger at Rome/vatican city, is that the 7 heads of the Scarlet Beast the Whore is riding, the hills are not actually Hills, they are former and current Empires or continents.

      Also, Revelations was written before Rome exsisted as a Religious and Political entity.

      Rome does not have a port big enough for big freight, for the merchants of the sea to grow luxuriously off of her.

      Here is what makes the USA a potential leading candidate in this regard.

      Lets not forget, that when the Bible was written and when Revelations was made prophecy, it did not neccesarily have to be speaking in Pre-tense or post tense, but it does leave clues as to who she is and when Revelations was written and when John shared his vision, Mystery Babylon did nt yet fullfill prophecy, so if this is any indication, than Rome or the USA are strong candidates.

    • wlliam

      I would agree that we are going through the tribulation. mystery babylon will be around at least that long

  144. You are all right, it is both. The U.S. is physical Babylon. The Roman Church is spiritual Babylon. The Biblical descriptions of prophetic Babylon fit both the U.S. and the Roman Church. Notice it is called both Babylon and Mystery Babylon, Mystery Babylon specifically refers to Catholicism, as Catholicism is nothing more than a modern version of the mystery religions of ancient Babylon, from where its customs, dogmas, holidays, rituals, etc. all stem. It was Satan’s creation, as a counterfeit Christianity. And the U.S. was founded by, and has always been ruled by Luciferians. Whereas Catholicism incorporates the spiritual wickedness of ancient Babylon, America incorporates the general wickedness.. materialism, wealth, pride, gluttony, etc. Both God will cast judgement on. And in their absence, the beast will reign with his kingdom and religion.. the NWO and New Age.

    • Most get the interpretation of Babylon wrong.

      The “mystery[religion]” of Babylon was preserved until the present day in the form of Roman Catholicism

      The “lamb[beast]” with two horns from out of the sea, that turns into a lion, which gives it’s power to the beast is England and America, symbolized by the two horns.

      The city of the District of Columbia, the City of London, and Vatican city rule the world, and have been for many years.

      Washington D.C. is a corporation that serves the military interests of the evil triumvirate. London runs the financial aspect, and the Vatican runs the “spiritual” aspect; and the Vatican controls the other two. Talk about your axis of evil!

      Here is their tri-city flag:

      We are farther down the wabbit hole than most know.

      The Beast of Rome is firmly entrenched.

      Standby for more persecution after Sept 23 !

      • Excellent comment Dan.

        Hebrew year 5776 is very significant to those who worship the all seeing eye. That year begins September 15th.

        Truly, the Judge is at the door (James 5:9).

        Rev. 12:11

        • Thank you DJ,

          Is that true about the Hebrew year of 5776?

          • Dan,

            Oh ya. Jonathan Cahn knows. 🙂

            He’s carrying the water for the Masons and Kaballah pagans.

            Lucifer’s Jubilee (via son of perdition) is the Hebrew year 5776, which begins Sept 15th.

            Their pagan Lucifer calendar is coded in the Great Seal of the US. Sneaky.

            What should expect with a 13 step (rebellion) pyramid, 1776 as the foundation and the “all seeing eye” floating above. The eye (son if perdition) sets atop their NW0 in the Hebrew year 5776.

            It’s Lucifer’s coming out party. Cahn knows.

            1776 + 240 Kaballah years (Year of Light) = 2016.

            The Great Pyramid (represented on the Great pagan Seal) is another indicator of the year in inches (Encyclopedia Britannica). So cleaver. 5776.

            When a teacher/prophet like Cahn says G. Washington was a man of God – he gave away his bias. Cahn’s calender is Masonic. 🙂

            There is more to write but I’m at work and this is my phone with thumbs.

            More later.

            Psalm 64

              • Agust,

                Yes! Thank you.

                I didn’t know about this video. Save me a lot of time.

                As Ed McMann would say on the old “Tonight Show” – “This video summarizes everything that could be written or said in less than 10 minutes. Everything. There is not one video, not one video that could be shown to provide the essence of their Luciferien plans in less than 10 minutes. It would have taken dozens of videos and hours of time to communicate what is presented in one, less than 10 minute video. Amazing!” 🙂

                Henry and Bush spoke it clearly. The birth pangs are underway – it’s been their pangs since 1776. Henry, Da Bushes and many others (Rockefeller), members of both parties (they read from the Bible and say god). Just like G. Washington and then boys of Freemasonry in the 1700s, they have long term strategic plans.

                The video even includes a graphic of the Great Pryamid, which is represented on the Great pagan Seal of the US. 5776 inches with capstone in place (Encyclopedia Britannica) is their calendar.

                An amazing video, saving time by including key quotations and graphics.

                Lucifer’s Jubilee beings September 15, 2015.

                Jonathan Cahn knows. He calls it a Harbinger – soo mysterious. The Harbingers are their birth pangs. 9/11 was a major pang.

                It’s Hebrew year 5776 (2015-2016) when the son of perdition (all seeing eye) sits on their pagan pyramid very soon. (2 Thess. 2:1-5).

                Out of chaos comes their order. Therefore, we can expect a few very seriously deadly pangs in the coming months. Cahn will say it’s another Harbinger until he is revealed – then every virgin (foolish and wise) on to planet will awaken.

                Coming soon – NYC gets a nuke and they blame ISIS. There will be more deadly events to being about radical change for Lucifer. (Psalm 64).

                When they say “Peace and Safety” then comes sudden destruction. It begins in September 15th.

                There are many, many religious leaders that know but want to keep the sheep deaf, dumb and blind as long as possible. The more un-prepared wise virgins the better. Almighty God say, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” (Hosea 4:6). He is referring to “eyes to see and hear to hear” knowledge.

                Cahn is a false teacher, providing a false message. Thanks Evangelical mass media for doing your job. Joke.

                Now, we’re hearing Cahn and others say the 7 years (Daniel’s Week) begins in September? Ha!

                Lucifer’s attempt at a 1000 year reign begins in September, Hebrew year 5776.

                It’s over in the fall of 2017. Thank you Lord!

                Any questions?

                Here is my video contribution – can’t help but to provide one short video, which includes the all seeing eye and tells of 9/11 years before 2001 in many different media (their currency notes too).

                Thank you Agust.

                Psalm 27 (Great read and position of faith).

            • VERY INTERESTING. i wanna learn more of this

              • Dan,

                The video posted by Agust covers it all in less than 10 minutes.

                Everything I wrote above is presented in graphics and sound bites. It all begins in the Hebrew year 5776.

                Cahn is a Kaballah loving false teacher. Pagan to the core like G. Washington.

                Lucifer’s Jubilee is 2016-16.

                Almighty God’s begins 2017.

                The year of a Jubilee is defined in Leviticus 25:9-10 (50 years).
                The last three Hebrew Jubilees were:

                1867 (The final emancipation of the Jews in Austria and Hungry)

                1917 (The 400 yr Ottoman rule ended and the Balfour Declaration)

                1967 (The Six Day War – Jerusalem was re-united under Israeli governance)

                1867 + 50 = 1917

                1917 + 50 = 1967

                It’s pretty easy to figure out the next Jubilee year on God’s calendar.

                1967 + 50 = 2017

                We are at this threshold today, approaching the 120th Jubilee year (6000 yrs), the time of the restitution of all things (2017).

                As Nicetiming posted –

                “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves…when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place…” (Matthew 24:32-35).

                Can we know what is the length of this “generation” that Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24:32-35?

                And can we know exactly what He meant by the fig tree “putting forth leaves”?

                There are 7 definitions or descriptors of a generation in Scripture. 7 is the number of completeness.

                1) According to Gen. 6:3 it may be as long as 120 years.
                2) Genesis 15:13, coupled with Gen. 15:16 indicates 100 years.
                3) Psalms 90:10 indicates a possible 80 years.
                4) Psalms 90:10 also indicates a more likely 70 years.
                5) Matthew 1:17 may indicate around 50 years
                6) Psalms 95:10 indicates 40 years.
                7) Deut. 2:14 indicates 38 years.

                2017 – Using ALL 7 generations, based on the premise of ISRAEL being the fig tree Jesus spoke about in the end times:

                1) 2017 counting back a 120 year generation = 1897.
                Significant event: The first ever Zionist congress was held in Basel, Switzerland in 1897.

                2) 2017 counting back a 100 year generation = 1917.
                Significant event: The first official political act paving the way for Jews to return to their land was the Balfour Declaration of November 1917.

                3) 2017 counting back a 80 year generation = 1937.
                Significant event: The Peel Commission published a report that for the first time recommended partition of Palestine, and the land under it’s authority be apportioned between an Arab and Jewish state. The plan was declared unimplementable.

                4) 2017 counting back a 70 year generation = 1947.
                Significant event: The United Nations general assembly voted in favour of the Partition Plan that actually created… the State of Israel!

                5) 2017 counting back a 50 year generation = 1967.
                Significant event: The Jews regained Jerusalem, fulfilling“when the fig tree putteth forth leaves.”

                Choosing a 50 year generation requires some explanation. Some people have reckoned on a 50 year generation, starting with 70 using Psalm 90:10 for an average age, and then taking away 20, because those under 20 years old who came out of Egypt were not counted, as mentioned fifteen times in the book of Numbers, Chapter 1.

                6) 2017 counting back a 40 year generation = 1977.
                Significant event: The State of Israel reaches the Jewish “age of maturity.” In the Old Testament Bible, priests could not work in the tabernacle until age 30. See Numbers 4:3.

                This was when they were considered mature. Modern Israel was born in 1947.

                Now do the calculation: 1947 + 30 = 1977.

                “When the fig tree putteth forth leaves” could be considered as another way of saying “when Israel becomes mature.” An example of this maturity is that the Liqud political party came to power in Israel in 1977. The Hebrew word Liqud means ‘The Consolidation’ in English.

                7) 2017 counting back a 38 year generation = 1979.
                Significant event: Israel signs a peace treaty with Egypt. Other than the events already mentioned I’m thinking this would be considered the other most positive historical step towards modern Israel’s expansion, showing “the fig tree putting forth leaves”. It led to many long term benefits, such as providing for the free passage of Israeli ships through the Suez Canal.

                And is 2017 really significant?

                Yes indeed.

                As the Lord led me to see (per Jeremiah 10:2) –

                On September 23, 2017 (Shabbat Shuvah) – Jupiter (representation of God) is with Virgo (virgin), while Venus (representation of Jesus) is in Leo (King of Judah). The moon is at the feet of Virgo and she is clothed in the sun.

                On this day- Venus (representing Jesus), Mars (representing war), Mercury (representing angelic messenger) and Jupiter (representing God) are in a line. This seems to represent order. The alignment is within Leo and Virgo.

                On this same date, Saturn (representing Satan/Dragon) is in Ophiuchus.

                Ophiuchus is depicted as a man grasping a serpent. This is appropriate. Someone is holding a serpent; “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years…After that, he must be released for a short time” (Rev. 20:1-3, HCSB).

                Saturn (Satan/Dragon) is within Ophiuchus on September 23, 2017 (Shabbat Shuvah).

                “Shabbat Shuvah (“Sabbath [of] Return” שבת שובה) refers to the Shabbat that occurs during the Ten Days of Repentance between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Only one Shabbat can occur between these dates.

                This occurs 70 years (generation per Psalm 90:10 and Jeremiah 29:10) after 1947 (Proclamation to establish Israel).

                I think this is a sign of the season of God’s Sabbath rest for 1000 years as our Lord reigns.

                2 Tim 2:7-13
                Rev. 12:11
                Psalm 27, 33, 34, 37

                • re this:

                  On this day- Venus (representing Jesus), Mars (representing war), Mercury (representing angelic messenger) and Jupiter (representing God) are in a line. This seems to represent order. The alignment is within Leo and Virgo.

                  put this astrology stuff in english….so what does it mean?

                  war or order?

                  so what if it is in leo and virgo?

            • @DJ

              There’s no doubt that G. Washington was Masonic, as were other founding “fathers”. G. Washington was a principle player in establishing America as a corporation in 1789. So, things are not what most “think”.

              If America was ever “free”, it was only for a bit over a dozen years. America has been a British colony since 1789. It was solidified by “The Act of 1871”, which established a “new Constitution”, which supplanted the original constitution. Our “rights” are now relative rights, and subject to the will of the corporation. All Satanic BTW(as if I needed to tell you that – lol)


          • True.

  145. “This seem to represent order.” This sign occurs on a significant Sabbath. day. It’s not war.

    Also – Hebrews recognize Virgo as a representation of the nation Israel.

    God (Jupiter) is in Israel as Jesus (Venus) is in Leo (Judah).

    God’s rest as He rules.

    • so this means……what makes it significant for 2017?

      god is always in israel.and jesus is king, we know that

      • And is 2017 really significant?

        The year of a Jubilee is defined in Leviticus 25:9-10 (50 years).

        The last three Hebrew Jubilees were:

        1867 (The final emancipation of the Jews in Austria and Hungry)

        1917 (The 400 yr Ottoman rule ended and the Balfour Declaration)

        1967 (The Six Day War – Jerusalem was re-united under Israeli governance)

        1867 + 50 = 1917

        1917 + 50 = 1967

        It’s pretty easy to figure out the next Jubilee year on God’s calendar.

        1967 + 50 = 2017

        We are at this threshold today, approaching the 120th Jubilee year (6000 yrs), the time of the restitution of all things (2017).

        Nicetiming posted this months ago-

        “Can we know what is the length of this “generation” that Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24:32-35?

        And can we know exactly what He meant by the fig tree “putting forth leaves”?

        There are 7 definitions [or descriptors] of a generation in Scripture. 7 is the number of completeness.

        1) According to Gen. 6:3 it may be as long as 120 years.
        2) Genesis 15:13, coupled with Gen. 15:16 indicates 100 years.
        3) Psalms 90:10 indicates a possible 80 years.
        4) Psalms 90:10 also indicates a more likely 70 years.
        5) Matthew 1:17 may indicate around 50 years
        6) Psalms 95:10 indicates 40 years.
        7) Deut. 2:14 indicates 38 years.

        2017 – Using ALL 7 generations, based on the premise of ISRAEL being the fig tree Jesus spoke about in the end times:

        1) 2017 counting back a 120 year generation = 1897.
        Significant event: The first ever Zionist congress was held in Basel, Switzerland in 1897.

        2) 2017 counting back a 100 year generation = 1917.
        Significant event: The first official political act paving the way for Jews to return to their land was the Balfour Declaration of November 1917.

        3) 2017 counting back a 80 year generation = 1937.
        Significant event: The Peel Commission published a report that for the first time recommended partition of Palestine, and the land under it’s authority be apportioned between an Arab and Jewish state. The plan was declared unimplementable.

        4) 2017 counting back a 70 year generation = 1947.
        Significant event: The United Nations general assembly voted in favour of the Partition Plan that actually created… the State of Israel!

        5) 2017 counting back a 50 year generation = 1967.
        Significant event: The Jews regained Jerusalem, fulfilling“when the fig tree putteth forth leaves.”

        Choosing a 50 year generation requires some explanation. Some people have reckoned on a 50 year generation, starting with 70 using Psalm 90:10 for an average age, and then taking away 20, because those under 20 years old who came out of Egypt were not counted, as mentioned fifteen times in the book of Numbers, Chapter 1.

        6) 2017 counting back a 40 year generation = 1977.
        Significant event: The State of Israel reaches the Jewish “age of maturity.” In the Old Testament Bible, priests could not work in the tabernacle until age 30. See Numbers 4:3.

        This was when they were considered mature. Modern Israel was born in 1947.

        Now do the calculation: 1947 + 30 = 1977.

        “When the fig tree putteth forth leaves” could be considered as another way of saying “when Israel becomes mature.” An example of this maturity is that the Liqud political party came to power in Israel in 1977. The Hebrew word Liqud means ‘The Consolidation’ in English.

        7) 2017 counting back a 38 year generation = 1979.
        Significant event: Israel signs a peace treaty with Egypt. Other than the events already mentioned I’m thinking this would be considered the other most positive historical step towards modern Israel’s expansion, showing “the fig tree putting forth leaves”. It led to many long term benefits, such as providing for the free passage of Israeli ships through the Suez Canal.”

        So – we have Jubilee 2017, Fig Tree 2017 and a sign in the heavens 2017.


        • Very, VERY interesting DJ, and very compelling.

          I have some friends that are following “Rabbi” Cahn. I guess I need to bring myself up to speed regarding this Cahn character. I’ve noted that he seems to get press for his “message”

          On a side note, as you know, I follow Ark of the Covenant news pretty closely. It seems that videos and commentary are proliferating. Things are happening FAST


          • Dan,

            Really fast. I was talking with a friend this morning. We both see weeks flying by. Fast!

            As for Cahn – he says G. Washington was a man of God. Not true.

            George was a 33 degree Mason. George followed Lucifer’s light and Satan’s lies.

            To be a man of God one needs to be a disciple and believe in Jesus. The evidence of a pagan George Washington is very clear.

            Cahn is playing on American patriotism. Why?

            To keep the sheep as dumb and blind for as long as possible. Let’s not help them prepare spiritually for the soon coming “son of perdition” being wise virgins. Keep the focus on “the nation.”

            Cahn’s message to repent as a nation is a joke. Jesus addresses 6 of 7 Churches in Revelation to Repent!

            Repentance is personal through Jesus Christ.

            When NYC is hit with a nuke in the coming months – Cahn will not say Rev. 18, “destroyed in one hour.”

            He’ll say Harbinger number whatever.

            Time to apply Scripture – Psalm 33 provides some key insight.


            Psalm 27

    • One thing is for certain. God’s 7th, 1000 year millennium is upon us. It’s not rocket science to conclude that the 7th millennium is a 1000 years of rest.

      There is no doubt that 7 was ordained by God as holy.

      The sequences of sevens, discovered by Ivan Panin, encoded in the Bible are STAGGERING! It’s not a stretch to conclude that God encoded 7’s(and other sequences) within the Bible for reasons. Much like fulfilled prophecy, encoded sequences further authenticate the Bible as supernatural.

      Yes, Satan is tricky, but he can’t predict the future to the extent that God can; and he CANNOT install such sequences and periodicity as found in the Bible. Accurate prophecies and encoded sequences found in the Bible can’t happen by chance in a trillion x a trillion x a trillion x a trillion years! Basically a googleplex times a googleplex of time, SQUARED.

      Pity the ignorant who think that the Bible is a collection of fairy tales. Rebuke the arrogant fools who profess that the Bible was written by ignorant goat herders.


  146. Hi, this article says: Although it seems obvious that “she” is around before that, Babylon is not mentioned until Chapter 17 in Revelation.

    Then she falls in Chapter 18.

    The marriage supper of the Lamb follows in chapter 19.

    But what about Rev 14.8? This appear to be the same Babylon to me. This says its fallen well before Rev 18.


    • Mrpush

      you are right about rev 14

      rev 14 seems to be a summary of the end of god’s wrath

      rev 17-18 seems to be a fuller description of babylon

      this book, i admit, has always been a bit much time as I have spent on it

      why a summary precedes the wrath is beyond me, unless it is a preview of what is to come.

      the question here is when does she fall? that would put her in the overall timeline…

      you have any thoughts on that?

  147. There is no rapture. The rapture theory was created by a lucifarian/Baptist minister in the late 1800s to deceive the Church so that we would not be prepared when the Tribulation begins & so we will turn away from the Father when we realize there’s no Rapture.

    • michelle

      jesus said in matt 24 that we would see him come after the tribulation, so we should know our bibles, and not be deceived.

      • Exactly! Unfortunately, many churches have taught pre-trib Rapture or mid-trib Rapture & there is just nothing to biblically support either idea. Many Christians are being deceived by this false belief. It’s sad. They are blind to the events unfolding around them because they don’t expect to be here during the Tribulation. Father did not save His own Son from suffering. How arrogant to believe He would save us from the hardship of the Tribulation, that we would “fly away”.

        • Michelle,

          I’ve posting the following message from Corrie on Facebook whenever the topic we’re writing about comes on various FB pages.

          The Day of the Lord is what is at hand (Joel 1-2) and that Day seems to get underway at some point during the Hebrew year 5776, which ends Sept. 2016.

          By Corrie Ten Boom

          NOTE: Miss Corrie Ten Boom was a Dutch survivor of the Nazi Concentration Camps, and a lifelong missionary. Corrie was a believer in facing tribulation. She was one of the many people who were persecuted in concentration camps during World War II.

          Her family was murdered before her eyes, but though her life was threatened, God led her through that terrible time. Here is her exhortation to us from a letter she wrote in 1974:

          “The world is deathly ill. It is dying. The Great Physician has already signed the death certificate. Yet there is still a great work for Christians to do. They are to be streams of living water, channels of mercy to those who are still in the world. It is possible for them to do this because they are overcomers.

          Christians are ambassadors for Christ. They are representatives from Heaven to this dying world. And because of our presence here, things will change.

          My sister, Betsy, and I were in the Nazi concentration camp at Ravensruck because we committed the crime of loving Jews. Seven hundred of us from Holland, France, Russia, Poland and Belgium were herded into a room built for two hundred. As far as I knew, Betsy and I were the only two representatives of Heaven in that room.

          We may have been the Lord’s only representatives in that place of hatred, yet because of our presence there, things changed. Jesus said, ‘In the world you shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.’ We too, are to be overcomers – bringing the light of Jesus into a world filled with darkness and hate.

          Sometimes I get frightened as I read the Bible, and as I look in this world and see all of the tribulation and persecution promised by the Bible coming true. Now I can tell you, though, if you too are afraid, that I have just read the last pages. I can now come to shouting ‘Hallelujah! Hallelujah!’ for I have found where it is written that Jesus said, ‘He that overcometh shall inherit all things: and I will be His God, and he shall be My son.’ This is the future and hope of this world. Not that the world will survive – but that we shall be overcomers [Rev. 12:11, 2 Tim 2:10-13] in the midst of a dying world.

          Betsy and I, in the concentration camp, prayed that God would heal Betsy who was so weak and sick. ‘Yes, the Lord will heal me,’ Betsy said with confidence.

          She died the next day and I could not understand it. They laid her thin body on the concrete floor along with all the other corpses of the women who died that day.

          It was hard for me to understand, to believe that God had a purpose for all that. Yet because of Betsy’s death, today I am traveling all over the world telling people about Jesus.

          There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation, that the Christians will be able to escape all this. These are the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days. Most of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution.

          In China, the Christians were told, ‘Don’t worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated – Raptured.’ Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death.

          Later I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly, ‘We have failed. We should have made the people strong for persecution rather than telling them Jesus would come first. Tell the people how to be strong in times of persecution, how to stand when the tribulation comes – to stand and not faint.’

          I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. There is no way to escape it. We are next.

          Since I have already gone through prison for Jesus’ sake, and since I met the Bishop in China, now every time I read a good Bible text I think, ‘Hey, I can use that in the time of tribulation.’ Then I write it down and learn it by heart.

          When I was in the concentration camp, a camp where only twenty percent of the women came out alive, we tried to cheer each other up by saying, ‘Nothing could be any worse than today.’ But we would find the next day was even worse. During this time a Bible verse that I had committed to memory gave me great hope and joy.

          ‘If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye;
          for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you;
          on their part evil is spoken of,
          but on your part He is glorified.’ (I Peter 3:14)

          I found myself saying, ‘Hallelujah! Because I am suffering, Jesus is glorified!’

          In America, the churches sing, “Let the congregation escape tribulation”, but in China and Africa the tribulation has already arrived. This last year alone [1973] more than two hundred thousand Christians were martyred in Africa. Now things like that never get into the newspapers because they cause bad political relations.

          But I know. I have been there. We need to think about that when we sit down in our nice houses with our nice clothes to eat our steak dinners. Many, many members of the Body of Christ are being tortured to death at this very moment, yet we continue right on as though we are all going to escape the tribulation.

          Several years ago I was in Africa in a nation where a new government had come into power. The first night I was there some of the Christians were commanded to come to the police station to register. When they arrived they were arrested and that same night they were executed. The next day the same thing happened with other Christians. The third day it was the same. All the Christians in the district were being systematically murdered.

          The fourth day I was to speak in a little church. The people came,but they were filled with fear and tension. All during the service they were looking at each other, their eyes asking, “Will this one I am sitting beside be the next one killed? Will I be the next one?”

          The room was hot and stuffy with insects that came through the screenless windows and swirled around the naked bulbs over the bare wooden benches. I told them a story out of my childhood.

          ‘When I was a little girl,’ I said, ‘I went to my father and said, ‘Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a martyr for Jesus Christ.’

          ‘Tell me,’ said Father, ‘When you take a train trip to Amsterdam, when do I give you the money for the ticket? Three weeks before?’

          ‘No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train.’

          ‘That is right,’ my father said, ‘and so it is with God’s strength. Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ. He will supply all you need – just in time.’

          My African friends were nodding and smiling. Suddenly a spirit of joy descended upon that church and the people began singing, ‘In the sweet, by and by, we shall meet on that beautiful shore.’

          Later that week, half the congregation of that church was executed. I heard later that the other half was killed some months ago. But I must tell you something. I was so happy that the Lord used me to encourage these people, for unlike many of their leaders, I had the word of God. I had been to the Bible and discovered that Jesus said He had not only overcome the world, but to all those who remained faithful to the end, He would give a crown of life.

          How can we get ready for the persecution? First we need to feed on the word of God, digest it, make it a part of our being. This will mean disciplined Bible study each day as we not only memorize long passages of scripture, but put the principles to work in our lives.

          Next we need to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Not just the Jesus of yesterday, the Jesus of History, but the life-changing Jesus of today who is still alive and sitting at the right hand of God.

          We must be filled with the Holy Spirit. This is no optional command of the Bible, it is absolutely necessary. Those earthly disciples could never have stood up under the persecution of the Jews and Romans had they not waited for Pentecost. Each of us needs our own personal Pentecost, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We will never be able to stand in the tribulation without it.

          In the coming persecution we must be ready to help each other and encourage each other. But we must not wait until the tribulation comes before starting. The fruit of the Spirit should be the dominant force of every Christian’s life.

          Many are fearful of the coming tribulation, they want to run. I, too, am a little bit afraid when I think that after all my eighty years, including the horrible Nazi concentration camp, that I might have to go through the tribulation also. But then I read the Bible and I am glad.

          When I am weak, then I shall be strong, the Bible says. Betsy and I were prisoners for the Lord, we were so weak, but we got power because the Holy Spirit was on us. That mighty inner strengthening of the Holy Spirit helped us through. No, you will not be strong in yourself when the tribulation comes. Rather, you will be strong in the power of Him who will not forsake you. For seventy-six years I have known the Lord Jesus and not once has He ever left me, or let me down.

          ‘Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him’, for I know that to all who
          overcome, He shall give the crown of life. Hallelujah!”

          God bless you Michelle
          Marrhew 24:13, 2nd Tim 2:10-13 and Rev. 12:12

          • Hi,

            I have read so many guesses at the timing of tribulation, if its one its 50. I have concluded that it is not possible to determine the start of it. We are to WATCH AND BE READY not guess times and dates and whether it happens during the X year of the X feast etc. Watch and be ready!

        • Bible says that believers will be spared from his “wrath”. Well in Rev the wrath is unleashed. Again, its timing but the “rapture” or a catching up will happen at some point. There is a catching up or rapture of believers, the exact timing I have found is impossible to determine. Some time during the tribulation, or before the GREAT Tribulation. There appear to be a distinct difference in the bible depending on how it is interpreted.

    • Correct.

      Click to access An-End-Time-Myth.pdf

    • Hi,

      Well I certainly see a “rapture” in the bible. It’s a catching up. The timing is the only thing that is debatable, but it is there.


  148. There is no Mystery (Secret) because the Angel explained who the Beast and the Harlot was.(come I will show you the Mystery) As you cited, the Beast is Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Revived Rome. Daniel 7 and 8 says the last empire is the EU via Greece. He arises in a small nation, Greece, which is in the EU. (Revived Rome)

    The Harlot is All False Religion.( Many nations, tongues, peoples) The Beast is All False Governments who conquered or enslaved Israel, they are two entirely different entities, that’s the vision, the Harlot rides the Beast. The Kings hate the Harlot and destroy her, the Kings cry and Bemoan the destruction of Babylon ( the Last Beast System/Anti-Christ and 10 Kings/The World is hit by Plagues of God ). Why do the Kings destroy Islam, Buddhism, come against Christians and chase Israel into the Wilderness ? Because the Anti-Christ demands worship, he requires that all worship him as the ONLY GOD, or die. Islam will be destroyed as will all False Religions, God placed it in their Hearts (Rev. 17:17) to Judge the Harlot.

    Rev. 17:18 is only the Angel telling John what he SAW…There was only one Vision. A Woman/Harlot riding the Beast. On her head was written Babylon. The Angel is linking the original place of Harlotry, where they had hundreds of gods and demi-gods to All False Religion. The Cup of Abomination is nothing more than Daniel chapter 5 where Belshazzar and his friends drank wine out of the golden cup of God’s Holy Temple, and on that very day he lost his Kingdom, Mene, Mene, Tekel.

    In essence:

    The Harlot = All False Religion (with the blood of Martyrs and Saints)

    Babylon = All The False Governments that chose to rule without God at its head and to come against God’s chosen people.

    The Former is destroyed by the Anti-Christ in his Zeal to become worshiped as God. The Latter (World-Gov. System) is destroyed by the Plagues of God, just like Rev. 18 says, these are plagues that come upon Babylon, the world is being Judged. Rev. 18 also says that Babylon has become the Habitation of Devils. We know Appolyon and his horde of demons are released from the bottomless pit. And Satan is cast down to the World. Babylon is the World being Judged, nothing more, nothing less.

    God Bless.

  149. Jesus said the scribes were responsible for all the prophets that died up to Abel and also did he say the whore of Babylon was responsible for the blood of the prophets so put them together and you’ll know who they were but Babylon is everyone who sits in the seat of Moses are judges and lawyers the beast would be the Kings and presidents hierarchy that is the man of sin the whore is killed by the beast and when Babylon falls all the citys in the world falls that means all your judges and lawyers police officer are gone and it leaves only the beast that Jesus come to destroy

  150. Jesus said the scribes were responsible for all the prophets that died up to Abel and also did he say the whore of Babylon was responsible for the blood of the prophets so put them together and you’ll know who they were but Babylon is everyone who sits in the seat of Moses are judges and lawyers the beast would be the Kings and presidents hierarchy that is the man of sin the whore is killed by the beast and when Babylon falls all the citys in the world falls that means all your judges and lawyers police officer are gone and it leaves only the beast that Jesus come to destroy .

  151. Hi, sure there is a rapture. Dont say there is not. The Word says there is. Now the timing of it is whats in question. Pre mid post… opinion is that it happens pre wrath. If the final viles are dispensed months before Christ appears in the clouds then that is what we will see. So as to not set myself up for dissappointment im expecting to go through the tribulaion or most of it. If my timing is incorrect i will be joyfully surprised! I dont think God wants us to worry about it but instead to be ready when “we see these things”. Amen brothers and sisters, keep looking up!

  152. Babylon is neither a city, a country or a religious system (Rome)! It makes is clear she sits over many waters, nations and tongues making them fornicate and drunk with her wine. It is impossible for America to be both a harlot and the king of the south, which these same people claim. Babylon is a mystery. Hence, the workings of her are secret to most people. Harlots work at the discreetness of night. And the only harlot to sit over many countries, tongues and nations fornicate through corruption and slumber the nations with drunkenness of wealth is the present economic system! You will note it’s the traders, merchants and wealthy that mourn her primarily!
    The cities of the global corporations, stock exchanges and infrastructures that make merchants wealthy. And dealing in the stock markets and global economic system is a mystery to most people. Only the insiders really know the full workings of it. It crashed in 2001, FELL in 2008 and when it goes next time it won’t recover at all as experts warn. It will be destroyed forever. Then the beast system will take where no one can buy or sell without the mark of the beast.

  153. the beast of seven heads is the U.S. navy in the Persian gulf… the seven heads have triple meaning… the seven continents we have bases on, seven mountains around the Vatican and seven Muslim countries we have been consitently bombing. .. the ten horns ten crowns are the ten royal members and the bilderberg group and their affiliation with NATO. . the wounded head tat healed is 9-11.,, which is also Jesus’s actual birthday, , the anti Christ is the baron Rothschild owner of ever central bank in the world and the 11th king is the presidency with bloodline to king John.. I have more to say but here’s a brief rundown.., and I’m the only one with verification by God of these facts… as crazy as that sounds ,, I’m for real,,,

  154. Hillary Clinton Being the whore of Babylon meaning ,, Pay for play… etc.. drinking the blood of the saints is taking donations from governments for her charity and selling seats ,.as she’s accused.,. wearing crimson and violet means she represents the new Roman empire (senators and representatives) .. so in fact of her riding the beast from the sea being the US navy in the Persian gulf . .. she was once sec of state and of course about to be pres.,,..

  155. Check out Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson
    Mystery Babylon is Saudi Arabia AntiChrist and the Beast is Islam, no more trying to allagorize scripture, it all fits PERFECT to scripture, take some time to check it out, it will change your whole outlook on eschatology

  156. Mystery Babylon sounds like usa

  157. Thanks for posting this. This is an area of Scripture that I am really convicted on studying now. My study and beliefs stem from reconciling Old and New Testament Scriptures Jew and Gentile perspectives.
    Mystery Babylon can be paralleled with hatlot imagery of the OT.
    The character traits are
    1) Spiritual Adultery
    2)) sexual confusion
    4) blind complacency
    A good example is Gomer, Hosea’s wife who is illustrative of Israel and her marriage to Hod and how she becomes apostate and loses everything
    Mystery Babylon or the woman riding the beast(like Europa on Zeus) is seated on many waters may be the G7 nations largely founded on Christian precepts and laws who become the world power of its day and become the most prosperous and blessed people of the world but slowly become apostate and like Israel the curses begin to manifest but in their complacency and defiance they fail to recognize the desires of a loving God to draw the back to Him and because God is a zoos of covenant and order(see Deut 28 and Lev 26 the curses will continue to escalate unless Teshuvah happens(repentance)
    I believe Mystery Babylon is much like Gomer I ;

  158. Sorry for the bad spelling in my last post. I was using my cell phone.
    Mystery Babylon, as a harlot, has many parallels to the fall of both Israel and Judah. The book of Daniel has many prophetic implications for endtime study. Daniel is taken as a young man to Babylon as a result of Judah playing the Harlot. See Ezekiel 16 and 23. Daniel remains there throughout the 70 years that Judah is being punished, and beyond into the reign of the Medes(Darius) and Persians(Cyrus). Daniel is aware of the timeframe of the captivity as written by Jeremiah namely 70 years. (See Daniel 9, Jeremiah 25 and 29). Ezekiel was given a prophetic mission in Ez 4 to show how both Israel and Judah had been sinful; Israel for 390 years and Judah for 40 years for a total of 430 years. As a result, ultimately Judah is put into captivity for 70 years, a total cycle of 500 years.
    This cycle has reappeared in our time. If you have heard of the prophecy of Judah Ben Samuel, then you are aware of this prophecy of 10 Jubilees. To paraphrase, the Prophesy was concerning Jerusalem and its occupation. Judah Ben Samuel, a well respected and humble rabbi living in Germany died in 1217. He prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would take over control of Jerusalem for a period of 8 Jubilees. Then for one Jubilee, Jerusalem would be a sort of No man’s land, and then in the 10th Jubilee Jerusalem would again be controlled by the Jews and the Messianic end times would begin. The prophesy was fulfilled perfectly thus far. The Ottoman Empire took over Jerusalem in 1517 and controlled it until 1917, exactly 400 years or 8 Jubilees.
    Then Jerusalem actually for some time had an actual no man’s land dividing it, between Jordanian control and Israel after 1948, until the Six Days War in 1967. Then Jerusalem came under Israel’s control, in 1967, or exactly one Jubilee. In 2017-18, Israel celebrates 70 years of being restored as a country, which fulfills so much Biblical prophesy. Now the question is, does Babylon fall after 70 years, as it did in the Old Testament. The current world system, the G7 nation’s have the same character traits as the harlot of Israel and Judah. They are nations built on God’s Word, His laws, precepts and statutes. They have been blessed and become more prosperous than any other nations but they have slowly become apostate and are defiant and in denial of their condition. Nonetheless, the curses that follow disobedience signal the ripeness for its imminent fall.

    • dwayne

      Israel is not babylon, so babylon does not have to fall after 70 years

      the 70 years in reference to babylon is the time the jews were there

      then they got sent home

      read zech 1 – you see that the horses white red etc are waiting for the 70 years is up where god is angry at israel…then there are rescued by god

      babylon falls white the world is still in good physical shape. there is still communication, tv, videos, electricity. because people can see what happens. so I would guess it falls before natural or man made disasters strike

  159. What I want people to see is that the pattern of blessing and curses is the same. Both Israel and Judah are compared to harlots when they became apostate. See Hosea and God’s illustration of requiring Hosea to go marry a prostitute. See Ezekiel 16 and 23. The chosen people became prosperous and were given a land and many blessings as they were obedient but ultimately they became apostate and disobedient, they developed all the characteristics of the harlot. Spiritual adultery, sexual confusion, blind complacency in defiance and denial of God’s precepts, statutes and laws, and heavily in bondage to debt.
    Now in our time we see this same pattern, the developed world (G7) countries led by the U.S. become the most blessed and prosperous in history, with their laws, precepts, and statutes based on Biblical law. They become increasingly apostate and it is no surprise that the curses begin to manifest.
    Look at Jonathan Cahn’s book, The Harbinger. As with Israel, The U.S. has their walls breached(911). They vow in their own strength, in denial and defiance and with arrogance that they will rebuild stronger and bigger. The curses continue to manifest. Read Isaiah 9:8-10:4. You will see it is structured as a poem of four stanzas of seven couplets all ending with the same phrase.”For all this His anger has not turned away, and his hand is stretched out still.” This is the same structure as Leviticus 26 or Deuteronomy 28. Without repentance and returning to God (Teshuvah), the nation will continue to see the curses magnify sevenfold. This cycle begins at Isaiah 9:8 and continues until either the people repent or until the enemy takes over their land and world system; in Revelation, I believe it is the Seven year period remaining from Daniel where the AntiChrist establishes his system. Ultimately God will have judgment on this final AntiChrist system which is paralleled in Isaiah 10:5-19 by the punishment on Assyria.
    The fall of end time Babylon fits this year, at the end of a 500 year period, the end of a 430 + 70 year period. It is a mirror image, when Jerusalem fell the people were in exile for 70 years. In the current era, Israel has been restored after 430 years of exile, marked by an incredible exhaustion seen in the Holocaust. The return of Israel as a nation stands as the biggest marker of endtime prophesy of our time.
    The Harbinger points out the two stock market crashes that occurred on Elul 29. This stands as two witnesses occurring on the last day of the Hebrew civil calendar. These happen in 2001 and 2008. I expect the end times prophetic fulfilment to make perfect the meaning of the three remains Fall Feasts, namely Feast of a Trumpets, Judgment Day(Yom Kippur) and Feast of Tabernacles. The day after Elul 29 is Tishri 1 or the Feast of Trumpets. It stands as a day of blowing trumpets warning people for the coming most Holy Day of the year, calling people to prepare themselves to stand before the King of the Universe and await the decision of guilty or Atonement. I see these two harbingers as a warning witness. The timeline is important because these 10 days of preparation, intensely reflecting on our personal behaviour in front of a Holy and Almighty God, may be seen as 10 years to The fall of Babylon. The next step would be its collapse and the establishment of an AntiChrist kingdom that would last for seven years- during the Feast of Tabernacles where the people live in temporary dwelling places until God establishes His Kingdom when the Lord Jesus returns as King.
    This is quickly written but reflects talking points I feel convicted to bring forward. This timeline is as follows
    1) harbingers 9-1-1 / stock market crash on Elul 29, 2001
    2) stock market crash Elul 29, 2008: 777.7 points/7%
    3) Feast of Trumpets to Yom Kippur (2009-2018)
    4) Judgment on Babylon the Great: apostate world system (G7 nations led by U.S.)
    5) seven years of tribulation begin 2023
    6) Christ returns to establish His Kingdom 2030
    This would give structure to the fulfillment of the Fall Feasts on a year/ day basis.
    I am just a farmer, a student of God’s Word, humbly seeking the truth.

    • dwayne

      you have studied a lot.

      but remember Israel returned to land after 2000 years, not 430

      and america is only about 240 years old

      so i do not see how 430 fits either one

      I want the truth also, open to ideas of others

  160. To the original poster: I found your post from a google search. Because I too think it is important to know when Babylon falls because I think there is a pivotal change when it happens. But I like your thinking and your rationale. The Bible does not say when Babylon falls so we have to guess, or not guess and just be ready.. Revelation 10:4 The “seven thunders” said “Don’t write that”.. As if it would give away too much information. Because Jesus return is supposed to be “Like a Thief”. And he wants us to be ready, and live ready. (many scriptures about that). But to address your comment about Babylon.. I definitely think that the rapture happens just immediately before Babylons fall because Rev 18:4 says “Come out of her my people, lest you share in her sins and lest you receive of her plagues”. Now either there are 2 raptures, OR THIS IS IT.
    Scenario #1 (the fall happens just before the 1st Bowl/vial is poured out). Points that support this are: A. When Babylon falls, the world monetary system crashes. And this 2nd beast in REV13:11 creates a Mark in the right hand or forehead as a trade device so that “no man might buy or sell” unless you have it. It seems possible to me that these 2 follow each other. In this scenaro the merchants that mourn over babylon does so after the first beast has completed his rule for 42 months (REV13:6) because the mark of the beast has to go for a little while after that as seen later in the chapter. I mean, the first Bowl is on those who have taken the mark! B. Another point to make – Just before the first vile or Bowl judge is “the last trump”. So we could say that God’s people are called out of babylon at the last trump, then babylon falls and then the 2nd beast of REV13:11 institutes that mark in the right hand or forehead. And then goes for a little while. My only issue with this is that if you read the details of “last trump” (7th trump), it appears this is when Jesus returns to reign. Some have said the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls are “overlapping”. And I see why they might say that because If the seals, trumpets and bowls are consecutive, then that means jesus returns before the first bowl is pour out, and the sun being darkened and turning to blood many times.. Like over and over.. Is that possible? How many times is this mentioned? Just back and forth or is there only 1 darkening of the sun as it is implied by Jesus in Mathew 24.
    Scenario #2. (Babylon falls toward the end of the 7 years, and the Gods people go through tribulation but are protected). First note: I have a problem with saying tribulation lasts 7 years. Because we are not supposed to know when his return is. And we should not be able to step off the days from the day the peace contract is signed. Otherwise, we would know exactly when Jesus returns and we’re not suppose to know. Anyway, Daniel mentions the final 7, but the new testament says the days are cut short in Math 24:22. The first beast in REV13 rules for 42 months, but the 2nd beast is open. So how long does it go after the first 42 months? Daniel 8:13 says “After 2300 days the sanctuary will be reconsecrated”. So ask yourself, “2300 days from what starting point”? If you say 2300 days from the beginning of the 7 year contract, well what if the 7 year contract is not signed by the first beast, but instead, the 2nd beast in REV13 which is after the first 42 months. And what if the 2nd beast confirms it, but it only lasts a little while because the days are cut short? See, we don’t know. And any TELEVANGELIST who say they know, they are liars. Let God be true and every man a liar. Romans 3:4
    Other Arbitrary points to mix into your View Point:
    1. 2 Thess 2:3 God’s people are not gathered together until the man of sin is revealed and the falling away happens. So that means we will be here to see it.
    2. 2 Thess 2:7 There is someone here holding back the lawless one. I think this is possible to be God’s people, in combination with a Global stifling of Politics. Trump is not so much a globalist, nor a republican, nor a democrat but he is holding them back.. notice how America has 2 faces. On 1 hand, she does the right thing, and on the other she is all about Money, changing the laws of God (regarding marriage) and expanding on the legalization of mood altering drugs and not following the words of Jesus. And America can pivot like this by a VOTE. You see how that works? America can be Babylon as well as the one that “holds back”. So when God’s people are removed from “babylon”, babylon falls, and the 2nd beast comes in to fill the void, issues a mark in the right hand or forehead, and these lefties or liberals begin persecuting the woman, and those who keep the testimony of Jesus. We do not know if these believers the ones who missed the rapture or there is no pretrib rapture but there is a pre-babylon-destruction-rapture because the bible says so in REV18 and don’t forget the meeting in the clouds in 1 Thess 4:17. And this happens at the last Trump. So is the Last trump before the bowls? Or is it at the ragtag tail end? Same question as when Babylon falls!! Crazy aint it?!
    3: Jesus said in Math 24, he will gather his elect from 1 end of heaven to the other when he returns.
    4: The first bowl begins with those who have taken the mark of the beast. And this cannot happen until after the first 42 months. But is the first beast already here in Oct 2018? It has to do with a group of nations with 1 that speaks great things and indignant about God.
    5. The term Antichrist is plural throughout scripture. it fits with the great “falling away”.
    6. We cannot know when Jesus returns. You must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Math 24:44
    I have many more points, but it is impossible to write the whole bible in this window.
    Good day

    • Chad

      Good thoughts…! And a lot of them too!

      There may be more than one rapture, one early on to take the bride, as she is ready, another before the war, another at the 6th seal, and another at the end of the tribulation ( matt 24). Where/when Babylon falls is not described so that is the puzzle.

      I just read an article about a 6 year boy who went to heaven multiple times and was told some interesting things, but not babylon. However, he did mention other things that might give a clue. I will send you a copy.

      It seems like , since the world can “see” the fall, it is before the end and after the beginning, since people will still have TV, videos, radio, etc (communication systems)

      I consider the seals trumpets and bowls consecutive, and I have a link below to explain my thoughts on that. To me the seals are tribulation, and the trumpets, thunders, and bowls are wrath.

      Yes there is a final week (2500 days = 7 years), but Daniel describes time, times and a half of time (3.5 years) as well as shorter times like 1260 days (3.5 years) as well. Scripture says that the time will be kept short for the elect’s sake.

      The last trump may not be the 7th trumpet. In jewish thought, the last trump ends the 10 days of awe, on yom kippur, at neilah, the final evening prayer. So that may be the case.

      I said this to another person discussing the return ( we can know the season, but not the year – exact day or hour including year):

      “Yahshua has given signs of his return so we should look for them.

      it will be on yom kippur of some year after the tribulation.

      Yahshua said he would come back at the last trump. . during the high holy days, the last trump is blown at neilah. evening prayer.

      and also when they say “baruch haba b”shem adonai” which is said on yom kippur. so it looks like that is the right day.”

      I personally think the final rapture (or the latest time for rapture) will be at the 6th seal, because after that is wrath, and the righteous are not appointed to wrath.

      1. 2 Thess 2:3 describes the general population, where AC is revealed first, ie he reveals himself, then the rapture.

      2. 2 Thess 2:7 describes the bride, who can discern who the AC is, without him revealing himself. There could be also the human element or contribution, like Trump exposing the “swamp,” making it and its leader more obvious. Bride leaves before the general population.

      See attachment also about the 6 year old boy

      • The term antichrist is always used in a plural sense in the bible, but yes there is a notable person who sits in the temple of God claiming he is God in 2nd Thes chapter 2. But I would not down play the wide spread antichrist attitude that we have even today.
        I intentionally do not follow Judaism.
        I do not think that a little boy can go to heaven and then come back. Only Paul did that at one time. I would not listen to every spirit out there.
        I can understand why someone might think there are 2 raptures but the gathering together in Math 24:29 says “immediately after tribulation” he will gather his people. Either this is not the meeting in the clouds and just a gathering on earth, or Christians go through the tribulation period. It is possible that there is a midtrib rapture, and still have a mere gathering on earth when Jesus returns to earth. Notice in Luke 17:23,24 and 37. Jesus specifically details the difference about his return verses.the deceiver is Rev13 who causes fire to come down from heaven and tricks people into thinking he is the messiah. So Jesus gets literal about his return and says his return will be like lightning.. So he helps us to identify in advance how to tell the difference between the deceiver and Jesus himself. Then he said in verse 37, he basically says, when I return, the eagles will gather. So there will be a large host of people around him. I think this is the gatheriing on earth because he is talking about the last days and lightning about his appearance. And the ones who are taken, there in Luke 17, may not be talking about a rapture. The jury is still out on that. Because you could say that the ones left , and are not taken, are the ones who go into the 1,000 year reign with christ. Its hard to say f0r sure. But just be ready and confess sin, avoid it, and dont hang out with “darkness” at the clubs. What does light have in common with darkness?
        Also if there are 2 raptures then why did Jesus give the parable about the 10 brides? Where in this parable only 5 are ready. And the others came afterward and knocked on the door, and said let us in, and Jesus said to them, “I never knew you”. It doesn’t sound like they get another chance in Mathew 25. If there are 2 rapture then you would get another chance to be his bride. But I think that is not so. Jesus might let you live for a season and a time(Daniel 7:12) but you won’t be his bride. “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming Math 25:13.

        Television, tv and communications… I have heard that same theory from JVIM , about every eye shall see him throuh this medium. But i wouldnt count on that. I think the light of jesus is so brilliant that it can illuminate the entire globe. After all, the lawless one, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

        If we say the seals, trumpets and bowls are consecutive, then that would mean the 7th trumpet, and hence Jesus return, is before the judgements of the 7 bowls. But Mathew 24 is very plain and it says immediately after tribulation is when we see the lightning flash of Jesus return occurs. And the 7th trumpet is not about a rapture. Plus if the seals, trumpets and bowls are overlapping, then there is so much destruction and for so long, you would have to ask, “how can anyone possibly miss his return?”. But to support the idea they are consecutive, John was instructed to “”write the things thou has seen, and the things which are, and the things yet to come””. That sounds very consecutive in Rev 1:19. But it could be so spread out that you may not realize that world war 1 and ww2, and Hitler’s persecution might be part of the seals. But still, the 6th seal has not happened because he sun turns black! That has never happened. But again in Mathew 24, the sun is darkened immediately after tribulation. See, the issues?

        “Knowing the season”. Sure we can know the season. I agree. Luke 21 has a lot to say about that. But I think some of the text in Luke 21 is obviously when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad. And it even mentions Jerusalem being scattered among the nation’s. So, make sure we don’t mix that up with today. But that’s not to say that Israel is not going to be attacked again.

        Jewish tradition. I caution against listing to a rabbi or any Jewish teacher unless that person says “blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD Jesus”. Because if Jesus said it, then you should too. Luke 13:34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; and [k]assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

        • Not “Plus if the seals, trumpets and bowls are overlapping”
          But “Plus if the seals, trumpets and bowls are consecutive “

        • chad

          I think they are consecutive. just my opinion

          my impression at this time is that of the virgins, 5 will go to the wedding, as they are already tested, but the others will go through the tribulation, as they are not ready. so they have to endure to the end to see the second coming.

          to me the seals are the tribulation, and jesus comes at the 6th seal to gather his tested saints.

          trumpets and bowls are the time of wrath, and this concept is introduced at the end of Rev 6.

          ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ” is part of a payer said during high holy days called the hallel. so it might be a clue as to when Jesus comes as well.

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