Darkness is not Light


There are many “truths” out there.  How to tell which one is right?

Luk 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.

Many people are firm in their beliefs.

They proclaim the truth as they see it, and describe others not in agreement as being the ones in darkness.

But what is deceptive is that their “light” is really darkness.

It is not the truth they think it is.


How does one’s definition of truth originate?

With both positive and negative use of our senses.

With the eye:

Luk 11:34   The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when [thine eye] is evil, thy body also [is] full of darkness.

Luk 11:36   If thy whole body therefore [be] full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

What we allow to bring before our eyes influences our concept of truth. The images we view, the words we read.

If we allow only what is holy to come before us, and turn away from the unholy, the light will be true.

If we turn toward what is forbidden to view, then the darkness will become truth to us. This is the idea behind the occult, that its darkness is somehow more true and useful than God’s truth.

Refusing to see

Isa 56:10 His watchmen [are] blind: they are all ignorant, they [are] all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Jhn 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were [physically] blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remains.

Physical blindness is not a barrier. It is when we think we “see” the truth and hold onto our sins that we are spiritually blind. And that is a barrier.

Hearing well

Deu 12:28 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest [that which is] good and right in the sight of the LORD thy God.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

Refusing to hear:

Isa 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose [that] in which I delighted not.

Jer 19:15 Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.

What we chose to hear and believe is a factor also.

And what we refuse to hear and believe will also influence our definition of light and truth.

Darkness is sin. Light is holiness.

The Light of the Divine is not found in mystical music with a good beat, or in a secular PhD’s lecture.

External darkness – sin in the world

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Internal darkness – sin in us

Mat 6:23 But if your eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great [is] that darkness!

1Jo 2:9 He that says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness even until now.

Avoid both external and internal darkness.

Darkness makes you blind.


So where do we start?

1. We start with the light of the Word, given directly by YHVH God to mankind.

The true light is evidenced by consistency throughout the ages, miraculous events, bringing goodness, destroying evil and harm, and the holiness and tangible presence of God. True light is creative, and builds up and frees our spirit.

Nature, in itself, declares the light and truth of God as well. All one has to do is observe, and listen.

This is the gold standard, by which all other “revelations” are compared.

2. Other thought systems, philosophies, religions, mystical ideologies, were initiated by man.

In some cases, these systems were initiated by principalities of darkness, not man. But man had to cooperate and accept them.

Deceptive light, based on man’s opinion, or incomplete truths, or no truth at all, is not creative. Our spirit remains bound.

3. So one has to line up what man teaches with what YHVH God has established as truth.

Personal opinion does not necessarily qualify as truth, no matter what the credentials of the person.

Many highly credentialed people have no regard for the truth.

Never put unholy man’s credentials over God’s sovereignty, holiness, omniscience and eternal truths.

To find truth, you have to exit the darkness. 


The choice

WE can either choose the light, or choose the darkness.

We can open ourselves, our eyes, our ears, our senses, our minds, to the Word of God.

We cannot do this alone. We need the presence of the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

Or we can welcome in darkness and lies into our lives.

There are consequences to our choices.

Jesus – Yeshua – first came to initiate the kingdom of God on the earth.

Believers were to spread the good news, and teach about the kingdom.

Jesus – Yeshua – will return to complete this work of righteousness, truth, and holiness.

Believers should be working now in the kingdom of God to pave the way for this final event.

Jesus – Yeshua – is the Son of God.

He will not need the assistance of any man, or alien force arriving in ships from another galaxy, or from under the earth somewhere.

So any movement, or book, or teaching, contrary to God’ truth is darkness, not light, no matter how interesting it is, or how impressive the leader.

This principle holds, even when it is done in the name of Jesus.

It is either divine truth, or it isn’t.

So think carefully, and look, and hear what God has really said.

Look to the Holy Spirit of God, not man, for Truth.

107 Responses to “Darkness is not Light”

  1. AMEN!!!!!

    Couldn’t help but think of the Pharisees who told Jesus he was wrong! Jesus, being the Word of G-d, was being told by “man” that he was saying and doing it all wrong. And of course don’t get me started on the 2nd baptism of which so many will deny despite it being right there in the very scriptures of which even they will say is without error.

    Love the truth and desire nothing else-

    John 8:31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

  2. Highly discerning.

    Ripe with both probity and clarity.


  3. How do you know the above is truth? Its your interpretation of what you think is truth.

    Has God opened your eyes to the truth? Thats the only question you need answered. And you will only know for sure after you die.

    • John 16:13But when he, the Spirit of TRUTH, comes, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

      *this is how she knows what is TRUTH

    • Another way to evaluate what is true….

      Old Chinese proverb – believe nothing that you hear, and half of what you see.

    • Nigel,

      Forgive me if I am way off base, but I think that I know what you are saying here regarding our interpretation.

      If we interpret scripture, and receive revelation with what our heart believes to be the truth, then that is what it becomes for us personally.
      However, when you look at us as a “body”, the church appears to have difficulty in reaching a consensus regarding many subjects.

      Is there a Holy Trinity? Do we actually go to heaven when we die, or sleep until the resurrection, rapture, and Christ’s return?
      And if so, will this happen pre, mid, or post tribulation? etc.

      There are numerous subjects of debate, in which each participant believes wholeheartedly that they possess the truth, where no definitive conclusion can be reached,or fully understood until we actually die.

      This is something that I have always found confusing myself. If we have accepted Yeshua as being our salvation, and have been filled with the Holy Spirit of truth, then how is it that so many of us seem to be not on the same page?

      • Buck said: “If we have accepted Yeshua as being our salvation, and have been filled with the Holy Spirit of truth, then how is it that so many of us seem to be not on the same page?”

        Because not all have received the 2nd baptism-the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

        Best verse that explains this is:John 14:15

        The Promise of the Holy Spirit

        15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
        16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that HE MAY ABIDE with you for ever;
        17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he DWELLETH WITH you, AND SHALL BE IN YOU.

        *When we are saved and baptized in water, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell with us. The second baptism is when we ask the Father-in Jesus Name- for the Holy Spirit to come and live inside of us.

        The verse that supports and explains this is: Acts 19:1

        1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “DID YOU RECIEVE the Holy Spirit whena you believed?”

        They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

        3So Paul asked, “THEN WHAT BAPTISM DID YOU RECEIVE?”

        “John’s baptism,” they replied.

        4Paul said, “JOHN’S BAPTISM WAS A BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5On hearing this, they were baptized intob the name of the Lord Jesus. 6When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and THEY SPOKE IN TONGUESc and prophesied. 7There were about twelve men in all.

        And Acts 1:4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” ( ***2 baptisms)

        • Hi Lyndsey,

          I understand what you are saying above, but I’m not sure,(even in utilizing scripture to back up your premise) it fully explains my question.

          I believe that there are many of us out there that have fully received the anointing of the Holy Spirit, but who also have conflicting theology with others.

          This unfortunately is evident everywhere.
          The sheer amount of different denominations, and view points within the Protestant faith clearly demonstrates this.(Some of which I touched on above)

          This is why it leaves me confused. Why we all don’t have the exact same mind set, if we are all filled with the same exact Spirit.
          For example; You believe that you have been fully anointed, and have seen the results of this with your past gift of healing. I believe fully in my heart that the Holy Spirit dwells in me as well.
          Yet I suspect that you and I probably wouldn’t agree on every subject either. And though we could more than likely utilize scripture to support our particular view point, neither of us would really know what the real truth was, until we found out after we died. (This is what I was thinking that Nigel was referring to)
          My question just sort of materialized as I was writing. lol.

          Thanks though for your post, but sorry, I’m still confused. lol 🙂

          • LOL 🙂

            You say tomato and I say tomatoe…laughing You get the drift..

            But I completely understand what your saying. One G-d, One Bible and soooooooo many different interpretations…and add in a couple of statues and some robes and wow!

          • hi Buck

            many times different interpretations or theories come from passages that are obscure, and not enough is written about the subject.

            hence, different views…..maybe the holy spirit wants us to think more about what is written,….not everything is clearly explained….some things have an element of mystery to them.

            Example: who is mystery babylon? it does not really tell us, so people argue about it. who is the beast? it does not tell us. it just gives us hints……

            • Hi Marianne,

              Yep I agree.
              There are many verses that are vague, and that can easily be taken out of context.
              And I believe that there are also many subjects that we either weren’t meant to fully understand, or don’t have the mental capacity to fully comprehend.(sigh 🙂 )
              God didn’t just throw out what He said in Isaiah 55:8-9 without foundation.

              Though, what is obviously the paramount understanding of the Gospel being that Christ is our Salvation, I still don’t understand why we can’t find a definitive consensus over subjects like,
              “do we go to heaven when we die?”
              Unfortunately, it will take that very act to really know the truth.
              Who says that God doesn’t have a sense of humor?

  4. Dear Nigel:

    What knowledge do you seek with death alone?

    For it all depends on what is being sought.

    For the seeker of knowledge shall receive knowledge. For the seeker of truth shall receive truth.

    For some, it is with death, others, with life.

    For whether or not you seek to know is ultimately your choice.

    You can choose to dwell upon your own doubts, and to obsess upon your own private darkness; but your doubts will get you nowhere, and your darkness will consume you.

    This isn’t journalism, where all can be immediately confirmed by sight and sound alone.

    The consequences are far greater, yet so are the rewards.

    The cognizance of God and the wisdom of His Will are known through silence.

    The Holy Spirit speaks through silence.

    For the noise of modern life is in many ways the enemy.

    And if you cannot hear your very own thoughts, then you certainly cannot hear God’s.

    For some, that knowledge is given for a time, while others have to earn it. Yet even for those in which that knowledge is given, there is a future time of testing.

    “For straight is the gate, and narrow is the way (that leads to life), and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)

    Yet Christ also taught that if you knock, the door will be opened; that if you seek, you shall ultimately find. It may not be the immediate answer that you obviously demand, but it will eventually lead you to the truth, provided that your intentions are just.

    For even your need to know has been ingrained in your very DNA.

    Yet YHWH has also planted its eternal fulfillment.

    For there are some who search for lies, when they claim to be searching for the truth.

    Either way, it is all about love at the end of the day.

    For love is greater than faith.

    For love is greater than hope.

    For the knowledge OF LOVE is greater than all the cumulative knowledge of every book ever published, and of every letter ever written, that was not FIRST written in love.

    For love is greater than ALL. Which is precisely why John wrote that YHWH IS LOVE. Not merely that YHWH is A GOD of Love, but that YHWH IS LOVE. For there is no other parallel in all of scripture to the Twin Pillars of the Holiness and the Love of YHWH.

    If you have love in your heart above and beyond all that is in your heart, then you will be forever blessed.

    For love is the answer to confusion.

    For love is the answer to all uncertainty and fear and doubt and denial.

    Yet love, in truth, isn’t simplistic or maudlin or melodramatic.

    Love, and the description of love, can also be found in the Talmud.

    For here is the knowledge that many of us seek.

    And what kind of man would choose to curse this?

    “Love of humanity is more than charity. The value of charity lies only in love, which lives in it.”

    “Love surpasses charity in three respects: Charity touches only a man’s money; love touches the man himself. Charity is only for the poor; love is for both poor and rich. Charity is only for the living; love is both for the living and the dead.”

    “Love without reproof of error is not love.”


    “He who judges his neighbor leniently will be judged leniently by God.”

    “Let man always be intelligent and affable in his God-fearing. Let him answer softly in curbing his wrath, and let him live in peace with his brethren and his kindred and with every man––yes, even with the pagan on the street, in order that he may be beloved in heaven and on earth, and be acceptable to all men.”

    “The kindly man is the truly God-fearing man.” (The Talmud)

    For in the end, it is all about love.

    For there is more to be said, and much to be written.

    May this suffice for now.

    Best Always,
    Christopher Copas (CBC)

    • It begins and ends with Love-I AM the Alpha and the Omega-the beginning and the end.

      For those who understand, the Holy Spirit has been dealing with me on this very issue-LOVE. When you have love, everything else falls into place. It is easier to say then to do and all I can do at the end of the day is to ask G-d to help me to love when all I feel is to the contrary.

  5. “my fav bible verse” 🙂

  6. I have to admit this article is well written MariAnne. I hope you and your family are doing well…I thought you and your readers would enjoy some of my findings on Revelation’s 144,000:


    stay blessed

    • hi warlock

      I checked your link and saw it was a long page, so I will read it this evening. I am going somewhere now, and will be back later.

      Interesting topic is “gates.” Maybe you could explain gate walking to those who don’t know what you mean.

    • Did you read this article?

      After reading your new age postings, I had to leave, as I was about to throw up from the evil I felt comming from your web site.

      How did Mary get pregnant? It was not from the lie you post, that helps you mislead humans away from G-d’s love.

      Why do you post here? Is it because you hate Christ? Do you pray to Lucifer, or do you believe you can be your own god?

      • Leatherneck

        Warlock is a pagan who practices the Chaldean religion (multiple gods who came from another world to populate this earth).

        As a non_christian, he is not going to see anything the way we do.

        When looking at his page, you have to look at it from an academic perspective, not one of faith.

        I read the page, and saw it as a description of a different cultures’ religion.

        I would not believe that way but they do.

        They attempt to explain Christianity, putting it in terms that relate to what they believe, but they do not interpret things the way the bible does.

        That is a given when you deal with a different religion.

        • Well then, you would think he could get his academic information correct.

          • I see it your way. His religion came before Christianity, so they use that as the point of reference.

            They see all religions as being was derived from theirs.

            To them, that is academic.

            • Mary did not get pregnant from an Angel. That is not academic. That is what I call a big fat lie. People will see that, and some will be mislead by that.

              I do not believe all religions are from theirs. Only the pagan religions handed down from Nimrod (Marduck) at the Tower of Babel are from that train of thought.

              • Yes I understand. I agree the angel did not impregnate Mary, but they believe that.

                The religion of Marduk is his religion. That is why he has this interpretation.

              • a false god is a false god-no matter where they came from…what we do know is that Yahweh came FIRST-Alpha and the Omega. What gets me is that there are still those out there who will choose to worship CREATION instead of its CREATOR. In Warlockasylums’ case, they worship planets and stars…and I “met” Ishtar (another goddess of thiers) on Stargate SG-1…LOL She was playing the role of an amazon leader.

    • Enjoy? ummm, nope.

      • I agree Lyndsey,
        Even with the appropriate condiments of ones choice, I couldn’t find this edible. Beam me up Scotty.

  7. Thanks for your suggestion. I look forward to talking with you later. Stay blessed

  8. Thank you for your insights Marianne. To you Leatherneck, Matianne and myself have agreed to disagree, but I do respect her beliefs so much so that I will get her perspective as a Christain on some of the discussions that I have on my blog page, and it is only those that are of Christian subject matter. Because we are both secure in our Traditions, we are not trying to convince one another of the “truth.”

    First, the article that you posted begins wrongly because Marduk is associated with Jupiter not Mars, that is the planet of Nergal. Science has now confirmed what Chaldeans have known for thousands of years, that planets and stars do send signal to each other. The idea of immense spheres moving about through the heavens patterned in the same format as an atom, and to think that it doesn’t have an influence on earth is stupid. Siop posting articles by people who are not in our tradition, Suppose I began posting articles that were written by non-Christians discussing your religion. Here is a link about Marduk that as a Christian you should read Leatherneck:


    • RE: Although December 25th is generally accepted as being the time when the Christ Child was born, the exact date has never been chronicled with any degree of accuracy. There is neither scriptural nor secular evidence to establish the exact moment.

      *There is scriptural evidence…Since John was born on Passover, the 15th day of Nisan (the 1st Jewish month), Jesus would have been born six months later on the 15th day of Tishri (the 7th Jewish month). The 15th day of the 7th month begins the Feast of Tabernacles (Lev. 23:34-35), also known as Sukkot. Jesus was born on the 1st day of the Feast of Tabernacles! In the year 5 BCE, this fell in the month of September.


      • I wish that the Catholic Church had not paganized Christianity. All it has done is caused confusion for 2000 years.

        For true Christianity, originally called the “Way”, one just needs to read the New Testament.

        There is no Christmas, no Easter, no Santa Claus, no trees to decorate….just repentance and forgiveness of sins, grace and charity, and salvation through Jesus.

        • Confusion is exactly what Satan intended……and yet another reason to receive the 2nd baptism…:) LOL

  9. Let me just clarify a few things here. I agree with Marianne on the note of the “way” because in Asian culture this translates to the Tao, or Way. We do not worship the stars and planets in the western sene of the term but understand that the creator uses these intruments to shape and mold events here on earth. This is why it is written in Psalms 19:1-6 the following:

    “1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

    2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

    3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

    4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

    5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

    6His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.”

    jOD 38:31-32 READS:

    31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
    Or loose the belt of Orion?

    32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth[a] in its season?
    Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?

    All of this shows us that ancient people knew that these things were put in place to reveals certain signs, but knew the creator as the source of all. It is like going to see the President. You can’t just walk up to him. You have to follow a chain of command, and still you may not see him because there are certain officers that govern certain divisions of civilization and your answer may lie in consulting them. This is true even among the heavenly government and this example is the thinking behind the ancient Chaldean system. Recognize the order of a theocratic society and stop worshipping images, but know that is alive that is above you.

    Stay blessed and continue to pursue your faith in the Christ by learning from those who have kept the faith from ancient times

    • warlock

      some clarification:

      True, Taoism, is based on compassion, moderation, and humility, and harmony with the universe.

      These are positive virtues. The Tao way consists of practicing these virtues, which is therefore based on human effort.

      But in the “way” taught by Jesus, Jesus IS the WAY. Virtue follows from accepting HIS efforts on our behalf.

  10. Warlock

    The Tao Way is not the same “Way” that Jesus taught.

    There is no “chain of command” with Jesus.

    There is no hierarchy to obstruct access to the Creator.

    One goes directly to the Father in heaven through Jesus:

    Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.

  11. I understand what you are saying Marianne, but if you take only a part of the Word and run with it you lose the context of what is really being said. reflect on my last comment where I quoted Psalms chapter 19 and now remember what the gospel has to say:

    “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.”

  12. I dont know about you, but i am earnestly involved in that work now. Stay blessed

    • warlock

      The Lord Jesus expects us to be diligent in our service to him and the Father. He gave an example of a lazy servant and a hard working one. The lazy servant was cast out.

      The distinction here is in whose righteousness do we trust?

      Mankind, no matter how well meaning, and how hard working, has many flaws and this limits his service in amount and quality. God looks at the heart.

      Man has a fallen nature, and a heart inclined to do things against God’s will. We usually think of the major sins, such as murder or theft.

      But there are also many others which taint our works, and make them unfit to offer God.

      Pride, strife, false attitudes, sexual immorality, grudges, etc. God will not accept offerings of service from such people.

      But we say no one is perfect. So how could god deny us? The answer is that god has provided a better way, and the way is a person, not an activity.

      Once we accept Jesus as the way, the holy spirit comes to abide with us. His presence “cleans us” of what is offensive to God. Then, after that, our offerings are now acceptable.

  13. This is interesting….evidently, Noah had a grandson named Nimrod who ended up marrying his mother to make her queen. He died and was then referred to as Baal…..


  14. Lyndsay please stop taking our allegorical myths literally. Didn’t Jesus teach in parables, so do we. but I waill answer your question about the Nimrod thing with a verse from the Bible:

    The 144,000 are mentioned also in Revelation Chapter 14:

    ” 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth…4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.”

    In chapter 14 we see the four beasts that we discussed earlier, but again the 144,00 are mentioned as being redeemed from the “earth.” They are also said to be virgins. The mention of the “Lamb” is relative to the sign of Aries. This whole passage concerning the 144,000 is nothing but ancient astrology. Ancient Freemasonry by Frank C. Higgins makes this point very clear on pages 187-189:

    “ The zodiacal sign of Aries, the ram or lamb, was called Amon and for hundreds of years the sun at the vernal equinox was said to rise in this sign. At the same period the brightest constellation in the heavens opposite by night was known as the zodiacal Virgin, or ” Virgo.” She was, therefore, at this period deemed the mother of the young spring sun, whose symbol was a pure white lamb. In her hand the celestial Virgin carries a cluster of stars, called by the Hebrews the ” wheatsheaf , or “shibboleth” from the Hebrew verb “shabal” to sprout. The brightest of these stars is Spica Virginis,…The spring sun rose to power, glory and mastership in the higher signs. Arrived at that of Virgo, he became the spouse of her who had previously been his mother, and their offspring were the vintage and harvest.”

    This definitely clarifies that what is written in Revelation pertains mainly to astrology. We can see in the later part of the verses quoted above that the 144,000 were said to be ” the first fruits unto God and the Lamb.” According to Higgins work, when the Sun arrived in the constellation of “Virgo ” he became the spouse of her who had previously been his mother, and their offspring were the vintage and harvest.” While have discovered how all of this is relative to astrology, this does not dismiss the importance of what is here written. The mistake that I have seen many people make, is that they discover many of the ancient mysteries are relative to astrology and then dismiss them altogether based on such. Yet they do not take heed that the stars, or Igigi, have a great influence upon the earthly affairs of man. The movement of the stars and planets push a cosmic energy into our being that shapes and molds our experiences. This energy is later emitted by the human due to stress and the sun’s power, which is used to absorb it . This is why many people feel the same sort of tiredness from staying in the Sun too long, as when they are stressed out. This is the work that the Igigi were complaining about and thus the human being was made. This is also gives us the key as to why the Simon Necronomicon is such a powerful system since the practitioner is harnessing the energy of a distant star. With this in mind, it is important for us to discover how were the 144,00 redeemed from earth?

    Please do your studying first before trying to interpret what you do not know

    • First of all, I wasn’t asking a question about Nimrod-especially NOT asking you. You have been given over to a depraved mind. You worship false gods. And the irony is that you come on here and declare to know that YOU KNOW what the scriptures actually mean-this is sad and hysterical at the same time.

      I feel sorry for you. You are a prime example of how someone can be given the TRUTH and not even realize it; you have chosen to believe the lies instead of the truth. Again, you have been given over to your own depravity.

      The links that you have posted exude evil; exude darkness.

      Ironic that you have posted here, on this page, which speaks of the darkness not being the light and yet you are in the darkness pretending to be in the light.

    • warlock

      Astrology is not the basis for biblical interpretation, although that is the system you use.

      The lamb refers to the Passover lamb, a sacrifice for sins. Jesus assumed this role when he died for mankind’s redemption. Aries never did this.

      The virgins are literal young men who have not been with a girl yet.

      First fruits refers to the Festival of first fruits (Shavuot) which is a literal time of fruit harvest in the spring of the year. It precedes and ends on Pentecost. These young people are the first to be saved in Israel, as the time for Messiah is at hand.


    • Take you own advice, and read how Mary gave birth to the word of G-d. All Pagans should read about that, not post lies.

  15. I wish the “people” on this site would stop attacking me. I am using references for this discussion just as you are and have not resorted to name calling Lyndsay. So please keep those “satanic” elements out of what could be an interesting discussion

    MariAnne, regardless of what you have mentioned it is true that when the Sun is in Aries, the Lamb, the constellation opposite it is brightest in the sky. It is also true that in Psalms chapter 19 astrological language is used. Astrology existed before the earth was founded. I know this is what was meant by Titus 1:2…The Chaldeans are the ancient Christians. This is what you do not understand. Look at the four living creatures around god’s thron in Revelation chapter 4, now look at the Egyptian canopic jars dated a thousand years before Revelation was written. This can all be explained with astrology, but since you don’t believe in it then why is the Revelation chapter 4 using Egyptian religious imagery?!!! Here is the link to the canopic jars:

    • warlock

      I am trying to explain you to Lyndsey now.

      I still disagree. It is legitimate to use astronomical references in the bible without it having an astrological meaning.

      Chaldeans are not Christians, unless they accept Jesus as their savior.

      Some knowledge is universal, and not linked to a religion. God made some of the heavenly secrets (like the heavenly creatures) known to mankind before Judaism or Christianity, so it is shared among the religions. However, this does not make the religions the same religion.

      So the 4 creatures do not originate with the Chaldeans.

      THey originate with god himself. If the ancient ones shared this information, then it does not change the origin.

      You just happen to hear about this before some others did.

      God then revealed the creatures to other religions.

      going to the gym now…..

  16. Warlock,
    People aren’t attacking you, we are simply denying your theology. Don’t take it personal.

  17. Thanks Buck for clarifying this. Let me ask you this…who among you were pagan and became a Christian? what benefits have they had for changing their path? I’m all ears!

  18. Dont worry Leatherneck we are not that different after all:


    • I know. We are both full of sin.

      The only difference is I hope to be seen by G-d the Father through Christ. Otherwise, I will be like you being seen through the law.

      Not being perfect, and being seen/weighed by the law is a good way to end up in hell.

      I wish you luck brother.

  19. I see now what is going on. We are descendants of the Jinn, whereas the Christian claims lineage from Adam and Eve

    • You are not from the Jinn, you are from Adam and Eve through Noah. Just like the rest of us.

      The Jinn are the spirits of the Niphlim that died in Noah’s flood. They are evil spirits in the world who seek weak minded men.

  20. Leatherneck please read this article:


  21. Goodness dude. Paul’s writings are clear, and Christians do not worship the Sun.

    Yes, the Universal Church has taken over pagan holidays to move Pagans to Christ worship rather than Sun worship. Reguardless of these errors, Christ is the foccus to true Christians. Not old pagan holidays.

    Those you write about coming to earth as gods, are the Watchers. The Angels who married whom they choose among women, and had the earth born, or Niphilim.

    The Niphilim are the evil spirits that wander the earth after Noah’s flood as they do not belong in heaven or hell, and will be destroyed at judgement day. G-d did not make them.

    The Watchers are bound until Judgement day, as they are to powerful to be among humans. Lucifer, the serpent in the garden of Eden, and what is left of the fallen Angels that did not make Niphilim are given respite we now see as UFOs, and UFO abductions for the time of the end is near. Lucifer will mislead mankind once more away from G-d’s love.

    The son of the Sun god will once again rule earth like Nimrod. Christians call him the Anti-Christ. The Sun god is Lucifer.

  22. Yes I am Leatherneck. The Jinn are not fallen agels and they even have laws set up in Islamic coutries for those who marry Jinn! A Dictionary of Islam by Thomas Patrick Hughes, B.D., M.R.A.S., states the following concerning the Jinn:
    “The Jinn, it has been already shown, are peaceable. They also eat and drink, and propagate their species, sometimes in conjunction with human beings; in which latter case, the offspring partakes of the nature of both parents.”

    Relationships and marriages between an Incubus and a woman have in some cases lasted for at least thirty to forty years. In medieval times, many women, who committed themselves to the Catholic Church, did so because they were in committed relationship with demons, and could disguise these liaisons while living an ascetic lifestyle. A History of the Inquisition of Spain, Volume 3 by Henry Charles Lea, recounts the following on page 384:
    “Liaisons of this kind would be entered into with demons, and would be maintained with the utmost fidelity on both sides for thirty to forty years; and the connection thus established was proof against all the ordinary arts of the exorciser. Alvaro Pelayo relates that in a nunnery under his direction it prevailed among the nuns, and he was utterly powerless to stop it. In fact, it was peculiarly frequent in such pious establishments”

    In Muslim stories about the Queen of Sheba, her mother is a jinn. If you read your Bible it say in Genesis

    “There were giants [nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that,

    In those days it say and after that. How are you going to tell somebody what they are? You have no right to talk about my family. Parker Ryan supports this conclusion in his essay The Necronomicon Mythos According to HPL:
    “Next let’s look at Alhazred’s title. HPL wrote that Alhazred’s title was “Mad Poet.” “Mad” is usually written “majnun” in Arabic. Majnun means “mad” today. However, in the eighth century (Alhazred’s time) it meant “Possessed by Jinn.” To be called Mad or Possessed by Demons would be highly insulting to orthodox Muslims. The Sufis and Muqarribun regard Majnun as complimentary title. They even go so far as to call certain Sufi heroes Majnun”

    I know my lineage Leatherneck:


  23. Leatherneck your definition of the term Watcher is not correct!!!! Do you ever read your Bible!!!!! Read Daniel Chapter 4:13:
    “13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;”

    Funny thing about all of this I am not a Christian and I still quote more scritpures than any of you who have responded here. Study and Pray before you get into in-depth discussions Leatherneck

    • You take quotes of the Bible out of context, and I have tried to help you. You have made your choice. I wish you the best of luck.

      The Jinn are evil spirits of the Niphilim. You are not of the Jinn. You are not from the union of fallen Angels, and human women.

      If you are, then you are Niphilim, and your Master is the false god of this world system whom we call the Dragon, or Lucifer.

    • warlock

      It appears you and others have different definitions of the same word.

      In the bible, watchers can be good or evil. The evil ones mated with human women, which was forbidden by God. THe Jinn are considered condemned, even if they seem “pleasant” to the onlooker.

      I know someone who was a pagan, and became a christian. I can try to contact him and get him in the discussion.

    • I assure you that Leatherneck is well studied and well prayed. Regarding your insistence upon being Jinn-well, this would explain a lot…LOL…but just so you know, as leatherneck was trying to explain, this would make you a hybrid. A Jinn, is the result of a fallen angel (formerly known and titled as a “watcher”) procreating with a female human. They were also called the Nephilim. As they continue to procreate, different species also developed-Jinn is mostly likely one of them. If this is who you would like to be, then who are we to tell you differently. You may actually be one as far as we know.

      So, in the words of leatherneck “if you are, then you are Niphilim, and your Master is the false god of this world system whom we call the Dragon, or Lucifer.”

      If you read the book of Enoch, the perhaps you will have a better understanding of the Nephilim/Jinn.

      • And all others, namely christians-children of G-d-are from the pure bloodline of Noah. By reading Genesis and the book of Enoch, you will learn of the main reason why G-d sent the flood-to destroy the Nephilim. He did not approve of the mixing of species and made His point very clear to this regard.

    • Re:Funny thing about all of this I am not a Christian and I still quote more scritpures than any of you who have responded here

      *hey warlock, did you ever read the scriptures regarding Jesus and the 40 days/nights he spent in the desert? Just wondering….you sound a lot like the “other guy” in the story…he knew scripture too, but always twisted it to suit his desire…..

  24. The Jinn are not fallen angels byt were created alongside mankind before Adam. The Yezidis also have this heritage. On another note, out treachings dictate that “god” would first try to redeem his own children first before mankind. That the big secret. Secondly, the idea of a human sacrifice must be the most pagan thing of all, yet it is the only way of salvation for a god of love to forgive people. How sad. You know what Lyndsay and Leatherneck?!!!!

    “So, in the words of leatherneck “if you are, then you are Niphilim, and your Master is the false god of this world system whom we call the Dragon, or Lucifer.”

    At least we finally agree on something!!!

  25. Warlock,
    It depends upon what the source is that Leatherneck is utilizing. If he is using “THE BOOK OF ENOCH” then he is correct.

    Though this book is not included in the Bible, it doesn’t mean that it can’t be considered to provide additional information, or reference material. Please read the following;

    VI-XI. The Fall of the Angels: the Demoralisation of Mankind: the Intercession of the Angels on behalf of Mankind. The Dooms pronounced by God on the Angels: the Messianic Kingdom (a Noah fragment).

    1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’ 3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ 4. And they all answered

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    him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ 5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 7. And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. 8. These are their chiefs of tens.

    1. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

    1. And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl,

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    [paragraph continues] (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, 〈Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun〉, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

    Chapter IX

    1. And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. 2. And they said one to another: ‘The earth made †without inhabitant cries the voice of their crying† up to the gates of heaven. 3 ⌈⌈And now to you, the holy ones of heaven⌉⌉, the souls of men make their suit, saying, “Bring our cause before the Most High.”.’ 4. And they said to the Lord of the ages: ‘Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, 〈and God of the ages〉, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! 5. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. 6. Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: 7. And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. 8. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. 9. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. 10. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth. 11. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and
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    [paragraph continues] Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.’

    1. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. ‘〈Go to Noah〉 and tell him in my name “Hide thyself!” and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. 3. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.’ 4. And again the Lord said to Raphael: ‘Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. 5. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. 6. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. 8. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.’ 9. And to Gabriel said the Lord: ‘Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have. 10. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each one of them will live five hundred years.’ 11. And the Lord said unto Michael: ‘Go, bind Semjâzâ and

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    his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. 12. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated. 13. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: 〈and〉 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. 15. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: ⌈and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth⌉ shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.

    17 And then shall all the righteous escape,
    And shall live till they beget thousands of children,
    And all the days of their youth and their old age
    Shall they complete in peace.

    18 And then shall the whole earth be tilled in righteousness, and shall all be planted with trees and be full of blessing. 19. And all desirable trees shall be planted on it, and they shall plant vines on it: and the vine which they plant thereon shall yield wine in abundance, and as for all the seed which is sown thereon each measure (of it) shall bear a thousand, and each measure of olives shall yield ten presses of oil. 20. And cleanse thou the earth from all oppression, and from all unrighteousness, and from all sin, and from all godlessness: and all the uncleanness that is wrought upon the earth destroy from off the earth. 21. ⌈And all the children of men shall become righteous⌉, and all nations shall

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    offer adoration and shall praise Me, and all shall worship Me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever.

    So Enoch referred to those who had fallen as the “Watchers”.

    Also about the Jinn, in whether they are evil or not? I have included a link of a former Muslim below who tells of his personal experiences regarding the Jinn. You may find it interesting.


    Click on resources, media, and watch “It’s a New Day” Part 1.


  26. I think MariAnne has a good point in some respects. maybe we should have a more open discussion as I may not be clear where you are coming from and visa versa. In any event, I want to know why do Christians hate people like myself?!!! We suffered a lot under the Catholic Church and now Christians who are not Catholics treat us this wat too

    • No one hates you warlock. In a nut-shell, Our G-d was never tolerant of those who worshiped false gods and as His children, neither are we. We know the dangers that your false gods represents. We know the truth.

      • 1 Kings….”21Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him……..22Then Elijah said to them, “I am the only one of the Lord’s prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. 23Get two bulls for us. Let them choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. 24Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord. The god who answers by fire—he is God.”

        Then all the people said, “What you say is good.”

        25Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire.” 26So they took the bull given them and prepared it.

        Then THEY CALLED ON THE NAME OF BAAL from morning till noon. “O Baal, answer us!” they shouted. But there was NO RESPONSE; NO ONE ANSWERED. And they danced around the altar they had made.

        27At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” 28So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. 29Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was NO RESPONSE, NO ONE ANSWERED, NO ONE PAID ATTENTION.

        30Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come here to me.” They came to him, and HE REPAIRED THE ALTAR OF THE LORD, which was in ruins. 31Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord had come, saying, “Your name shall be Israel.” 32With the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahsa of seed. 33He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, “Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood.”

        34“Do it again,” he said, and they did it again.

        “Do it a third time,” he ordered, and they did it the third time. 35 THE WATER RAN DOWN THE ALTAR AND EVEN FILLED THE TRENCH.

        36At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “O Lord, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37Answer me, O Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, O Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”


        39When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, “The Lord—he is God! The Lord—he is God!”

        *This should have been the final example of who the TRUE G-d is, but even today people are still blinded and choose to follow the false gods, be it Ishtar, Nimrod (who was called Baal after he died), Isis, whoever.

        Notice in the verses to follow, Elijah ordered the death of all the false prophets.

    • Warlock

      There is no intention on my part to persecute anyone here, or to allow it.

      I think there is a lot of confusion here as to what you believe.

      The concepts on your website can be quite complex, and strange, and even I have a hard time following the thoughts or reasons.

      Terminology is used that is foreign to us. It would take even me a long time – months maybe – to look over everything you say and attempt to understand it.

      Much of what you believe appears to be astrology based, which would be contradictory to what the bible says. So, your interpretations are going to be different from ours.

      The name “warlock” is associated with negative activity for many people. I am not sure what meaning it has for you.

      Most people simplistically divide the world into 2 groups. The good guys and the bad guys.

      My impression is that you see yourself as one of the good guys. But since you are so foreign to what we believe, how you are a good guy is unclear to some here. You would have to explain that more.

      I have mentioned to a few of them that they need to discuss things in an academic way with you, since the “faiths” are totally different.

      The discussion cannot be based on the approach that “what you believe is wrong by our standards,” because you can see us “wrong” in the same approach. That makes any discussion useless to both sides.

      My thoughts are that we just share what we know, and explain why we believe that with some sort of proof, or reasoning. And also make clear that our intentions are positive, and the attempt to understand is constructive.

      I wish you well.

  27. So Buck you are saying that I am from a demon?

    • IF IF IF you are truly a “jinn” or a “nephilim” then YES, you would be half demon/half human. And would have the characteristics as such.

      This is NOT a good thing to be or to want to be.

    • No I am not saying that you are from a demon. I believe that you and I share the same DNA from the original point of origin.

      I am saying though, that I think that you should take some time out, and try this. Challenge God! Sincerely from your heart.
      Ask Him to please show you what the truth is regarding all of this. Then see what happens. Also watch that video that I linked for you. See how someone who was absolutely secure and sure of what they believed in, changed in a blink of an eye.

      I wish you only peace Warlock.

  28. Also, small typo on the above link, (Duh). If a guy could maybe spell once and a while it should have read like this….


    • good link

      • Did ya watch it Lyndsey? I love how God works with us. 🙂
        I couldn’t help but cry when I watched it. He would have been one scary dude to have run into, until he met Christ.
        Now I’d love to spend some time with him.

        • I cried! His testimony was so heart felt and genuine. He witnessed to and encouraged me! Would love to meet him one day. He changed my views of Muslims-to see them through Jesus’ eyes instead of mine own-instead of the media.

        • Hi Lyndsey,
          I found another great heart warming, and inspirational site.
          It has a whole bunch of testimonies of Muslims that have converted from Islam to Christianity.
          With Islam, they only have a “hope” in ever getting to heaven. It is all based upon works and what they believe to be Allah’s will. They have no assurance of getting there at all.
          And Allah is so far away, and impossible to have a personal relationship with.
          In the Qur’an, Allah is known by 99 different names, and not one of them represents “love”.
          So they are really blown away when Christ reveals Himself to them, and they feel how much they are truly loved by God. It is a concept that is totally contrary to what the Qur’an teaches.
          Check it out.

          Blessings to all

    • good link. good testimony

  29. I think there is a problem here with the word Jinn. That word is actually NOT in the bible. The word Nephilim is. Assumptions are being made based on the Muslim use of the word.

    Adam, as far as I know, was the first human.

    There is some evidence for a pre-Adamic race which was not human as we know it. If they had physical form, then that might match some definitions here. When Adam was created, Satan was already in the garden. So he, and his friends, and possibly others, were around.

    This is taken from the first 2 verses of Genesis 1. God created everything in order and perfection. This is verified by the rest of the first chapter. Yet, in verse 2, the earth “was” without form and void, which is not the typical way God makes things. Looking at the Hebrew word, “Hayah” means became, to become. This indicates there was something before that, and then it become something else.

    This is lost time, maybe millions of years between the original earth, and what it had now become.

    The account in Genesis really begins with this new time, and not the time before that.

    What happened before that, then is not recorded in detail, but only alluded to rarely in the rest of the Tenach. So, there is not a clear picture of “pre_adamic” times, or any race of beings that could have existed.

    It was not the purpose of the bible to record all that, but to introduce the creation of Adam, and the story of the Hebrew people.

    Adam was made from the earth, and infused with the breath of God. How other beings were created is therefore not described. It is assumed that anyone before Adam was a supernatural being that first existed in heaven and then was demoted or transferred to earth, being expelled from heaven due to disobedience.

    In some mythology, there are also tales of wars, where much was destroyed in an ancient times. the race was essentially killed off, except for maybe some remnant. I do not know how they fit into the picture here.

  30. It is believed that the Jinn were created before the creation of mankind. There origin is from fire. The Qur?an verified these facts in Surah Al-Hijr:

    ?And verily, We created mankind from sounding clay of altered smooth mud and the jinn We created from smokeless fire.?

    Qur?an 15:26-27

    The existence of the Jinn is firmly established by the Qur?an and the authentic Sunnah and the consensus of the Scholars (Ijma?) It suffices to say that the word Jinn and its derivatives occur more than 29 times in the Qur?an. A related word ?shaytan? and its plural ?shaytana? together occur more than 80 times. In fact, there is an entire Surah called Surah Al-Jinn, which speaks in clear explicit terms about the Jinn.

    72. Surah Al-Jinn (The Jinn)

    1. Say (O Muhammad ): “It has been revealed to me that a group (from three to ten in number) of jinns listened (to this Qur’an). They said: ‘Verily! We have heard a wonderful Recital (this Qur’an)!

    2. ‘It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allah).

    3. ‘And exalted be the Majesty of our Lord, He has taken neither a wife, nor a son (or offspring or children).

    4. ‘And that the foolish among us [i.e. Iblis (Satan) or the polytheists amongst the jinns] used to utter against Allah that which was wrong and not right.

    5. ‘And verily, we thought that men and jinns would not utter a lie against Allah.

    6. ‘And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief.

    7. ‘And they thought as you thought, that Allah will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinns).

    8. ‘And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

    9. ‘And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

    10. ‘And we know not whether evil is intended for those on earth, or whether their Lord intends for them a Right Path.

    11. ‘There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups each having a different way (religious sect, etc.).

    12. ‘And we think that we cannot escape (from the punishment of) Allah in the earth, nor can we escape (from the punishment) by flight.

    13. ‘And indeed when we heard the Guidance (this Qur’an), we believed therein (Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in punishment for his sins.

    14. ‘And of us some are Muslims (who have submitted to Allah, after listening to this Qur’an), and of us some are Al-Qasitun (disbelievers those who have deviated from the Right Path)’. And whosoever has embraced Islam (i.e. has become a Muslim by submitting to Allah), then such have sought the Right Path.”

    15. And as for the Qasitun (disbelievers who deviated from the Right Path), they shall be firewood for Hell,

    16. If they (non-Muslims) had believed in Allah, and went on the Right Way (i.e. Islam) We should surely have bestowed on them water (rain) in abundance.

    17. That We might try them thereby. And whosoever turns away from the Reminder of his Lord (i.e. this Qur’an, and practice not its laws and orders), He will cause him to enter in a severe torment (i.e. Hell).

    18. And the mosques are for Allah (Alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allah.

    19. (It has been revealed to me that) When the slave of Allah (Muhammad ) stood up invoking (his Lord Allah) in prayer to Him they (the jinns) just made round him a dense crowd as if sticking one over the other (in order to listen to the Prophet’s recitation).

    20. Say (O Muhammad ): “I invoke only my Lord (Allah Alone), and I associate none as partners along with Him.”

    21. Say: “It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path.”

    22. Say (O Muhammad ): “None can protect me from Allah’s punishment (if I were to disobey Him), nor should I find refuge except in Him.

    23. “(Mine is) but conveyance (of the truth) from Allah and His Messages (of Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, for him is the Fire of Hell, he shall dwell therein forever .”

    24. Till, when they see that which they are promised, then they will know who it is that is weaker concerning helpers and less important concerning numbers.

    25. Say (O Muhammad ): “I know not whether (the punishment) which you are promised is near or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term.

    26. “(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha’ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha’ib (unseen).”

    27. Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.

    28. [He (Allah) protects them (the Messengers)], till He sees that they (the Messengers) have conveyed the Messages of their Lord (Allah). And He (Allah) surrounds all that which is with them, and He (Allah) keeps count of all things (i.e. He knows the exact number of everything).

  31. Found this too.

    Two thousand years before (mankind) was created, there were Jinn on (the Earth), and they caused corruption on it and shed blood. Then Allah sent against them a troop of Angels who beat them and cast them away to islands in the seas. So, when Allah said: ?I am placing (mankind) generations after generations on Earth,? They (the Angels) said, ?Will You place therein one who will cause corruption and shed blood? (Al Baqarah, 2:30), That is: Just as those Jinn did?? Then Allah said: ?I know that which you do not know.??


    We can not ordinarily see the Jinn, unless they take a material form, which is usually in an unpleasant or ugly form such as a snake or a black dog, as opposed to angels who take pleasant and handsome forms. They can also take a human form. For example: In the battle of Badr, a kind of Jinn known as Ibliss, assumed the form of a man named Suraqah Ibn Malik, and urged the disbelievers to move forward to the battle, saying:

    ?There is none who can overcome you today?

    Qur?an 8:48

    Then Al lah sent the Angel Jibreel against him and when Ibliss saw him, he cried out to the disbelievers: ?I have nothing to do with you ! I see that which you do not see ! I fear Allah, and Allah is severe in retribution,? and then he fled.

    There are 3 types of Jinn as described in the following authentic Hadith:

    The Prophet Muhammed (saws) said:

    ?There are 3 types of Jinn; One type flies through the air, another type consists of snakes and dogs. A third is based in one place but travels about.?

    Tabarani and Buhaqi

    Jinni:Is a term used by the Arabs to refer to one Jinn.

    The 3 types of Jinn are as follows:

    1 Amir: (Resident Jinn) used to mean that he is one of those who lives with people.

    2 Shaytan: Used for a Jinni who is malicious and has become wicked.

    3 Ifrit: Used for a Jinni who is stronger and more powerful than a Shaytan.

    The way of life for the Jinn is just like Human Beings. For Example: they are accountable for their actions, just as Human Beings are.

    Allah says in the Qur?an:

    ?I created Jinn and Mankind only in order that they might worship Me.?

    Qur?an 51:56

    There are believers amongst them, who will be rewarded, and disbelievers, who will be punished, as they admit in the following verse from the Qur?an:

    ?And indeed there are amongst us, Muslims and amongst us, wrongdoers. As for those who accept Islam, they have sought out the right path. And, as for the wrongdoers, they will be firewood for Jahannam.?

    Qur?an 72:14-15

    Whenever Allah sent a Prophet to mankind, the Jinn of that time could also receive his message. Thus, some Jinn came to Prophet Muhammed (saws) one night and he recited Qur?an to them, and taught them about Islam.


    They eat and drink, and have fiqh regulations similar to ours. Just as we eat meat of animals slaughtered in the name of Allah, so do the believers among the Jinn . In addition, the Jinn are allowed to eat the bones of such animals.

    With regard to this, the Prophet (saws) has instructed us not to use ani mal bones for istinja (i.e. to clean the private parts after relieving one?s self).

    The Jinn also have conjugal relations; as evident from this verse:

    ?Therein (in heaven) are (women) of modest gaze, whom neither human being nor Jinn have touched before.?

    Qur?an 55:56

    Another verse establishes that they beget children:

    ?Will you then take (Ibliss) and his offspring as protectors in preference to Me, although they are an enemy to you??

    Qur?an 18:50

    The Jinn, as any other living creature, will also die. This is mentioned in the Qur?an:

    ?Allah will say, ?Enter you in the company of nations who passed away before you, of men and Jinn, into the Fire.?

    Qur?an 7:38

    Ibliss, however, has been given respite up to the Day of Resurrection.

    ?Allah said, you are, then, among those given respite up to the day of the time known (and appointed).?

    Qur?an 38:81-82

    Ibliss is the Jinn who disobeyed Allah?s command to prostrate to Adam (as), and was consequently expelled from Heaven. Allah had promised him eternal Hell, but he had asked Allah to give him time before going to Hell to win over Adam?s descendants as their followers. Allah had granted him time, and Ibliss has worked towards the destruction of mankind ever since. Shaytan is the term used to refer to Ibliss and other disbelieving Jinn.

    Ibliss has his throne in the sea, and he sends out his dispatchments of shaytan to aggravate people. The dearest of them to him is the one who causes the most fitna (tribulation).

    One of his workers comes and tells him ?I did not leave (my victim) until I brought about separation between him and his wife.? Ibliss draws him near and says to him, ?Yes, You (are the best).?


    Because of this evil nature of the shaytan, the term ?shayatan? is also used for those disbelieving human beings who are active in corrupting and fighting righteousness. Allah has said:

    Thus, have We made, for every Prophet, an enemy, the shaytan of mankind and Jinn, inspiring one another with, adorned spe ech by way of deception.?

    Qur?an 6:112

    One of the shaytan?s endeavours in their attempt towards human destruction is to go up to the heaven?s and eavesdrop any news to carry on to earth. This news will be passed on to the fortune-tellers.

    A?isha (ra) said that she asked the Prophet (saws) about how it is that the fortune-tellers sometimes foretell something which turns out to be true. He replied, that?s the word of truth that the Jinn manages to catch, and so he comes and whispers in the ear of the fortune-teller, and to one truth he adds one hundred lies.

    Bukhari and Muslim

    Man is always accompanied by a Jinn, who tries to incite him to evil, but the Prophet (saws) was protected from this harm.

    On the authority of Ibn Mus?ud the Messenger of Allah (saws) said:

    ?There is not any one of you except that he has been assigned his companion from among the Jinn and his companion from among the Angels.? They the Companions said, ?Even you, O Messenger of Allah,? He replied ?Even me, except that Allah has helped me against the Jinn, so that I am unharmed, and so he orders me to do nothing but good.?


    Thus terrible thoughts may sometimes occur to us, but we are not responsible for these prompting?s provided, we neither allow them to take root within us, nor act upon them. The fact that we recognise them as evil is itself a sign of faith. It is possible for a Jinn to enter human beings and possess them as Allah says:

    ?Those who consume interest (riba) do not arise except as the one whom Satan has driven to madness by his touch.?

    Qur?an 2:275

    Seek protection from the Jinn. In an Authentic hadith related by Bukhari and Muslim, The Prophet (saws) has instructed us to recite some supplications to protect ourselves from the harm of Satan. These include:

    1. Before having sexual intercourse, we should say:

    ?Bismillah, Allahumma jannibnash-shaytina wa jannibish-shaytina ma razaqtana.?

    In the name of Allah. O Allah! Spare us from Satan and repel Satan from what you prov ide us with.

    Then, if a child is conceived, Satan will never harm him.

    2. The shaytan like to frequent filthy areas such as toilets. Thus we should ensure that we recite the sunnah supplication (narrated by Al Bukhari and Muslim) before entering the toilet:

    ?Allahumma inni a?uthu bika minal-khubthi wal-khaba?ith.?

    O Allah! I seek refuge with you from male and female devils.

    3. Reciting Ayat al Kursi (the verse of the throne in Surat Al Baqarah, 2:255) at bedtime ensures that no devil comes close to you until the morning.

    Related by Bukhari

    4. Saying:

    ?La ilaha illallahu wah-dahu la sharika lahu; lahul-mulku wa lahul-hamdu wa-hawa?ala kulli shay?in qadir.?

    There is no God but Allah, alone, without any partner, His kingdom, and His is the praise, and He has power over all things.

    100 times in the morning provides protection till the evening.

    Bukhari & Muslim

    In General, frequent remembrance of Allah and obedience to Him provide immunity from the Shaytan.

    Allah Says:

    ?Whoever withdraws himself from the remembrance of (Allah) most gracious, We assign to him a Shaytan to be his comrade.?

    Qur?an 43:36

    In another verse Allah says:

    ?Satan has no authority over those who believe and place trust in their Lord.?

    Qur?an 16:99

    Amongst the things that will keep the believer far away from falling into the snares of Shaytan is to refrain from excess in glances, words, food and socialising with people. By these four doors Shaytan gains power over the son of Adam and obtains what he wants from him.

    As for looking, the Messenger of Allah (saws) said:

    ?Do not follow a glance with a glance. You are allowed the first but not the second.?

    Narrated in the Musnad (Hadith Book) of Ahmad B. Hanbal (Sahih)

    As for excess words, the Prophet (saws) said:

    ?Part of the excellence of a Man?s Islam is that he leaves what does not concern him.?


    As for excess food, the Prophet (saws) said:

    ?A man does not fill a worse vessel than his belly.?


    Luqman the sage used to say to his son, ?My son, when the intestines are full, reflection goes to sleep, wisdom falls silent, and the limbs cease to worship.?

    As for excessive socialising, it is a chronic disease which attracts evil. How frequently are socialising and company empty of blessings ! How often do the sow enmity ! How often they plant rancor in the heart and as long as it remains in the heart it erodes firm mountains of good action! Excessive socialising contains loss for this world and the next world. The slave must only indulge in that amount of socialising which in necessary.

    One of the greatest fortresses which protect the believer against Shaytan is Knowledge.

    The Messenger of Allah (saws) said:

    ?One Faqih (Someone learned in Religious matters) is stronger against Shaytan than a thousand worshippers.?


    The importance of knowledge for the believer in opposing Shaytan is well illustrated by the following story related by Ibn Abbass:

    The Shaytan says to Ibliss, ?Master we delight in the death of a man of knowledge more than we rejoice in that of a man of worship. We are harmed by the man with knowledge, but not harmed by the man of worship.?

    Ibliss says, ?Come on, lets go.? So off they go to a man of worship and they come to him while he is worshipping and tell him they want to ask him a question. Ibliss says, ?Can your lord put this world inside an egg??

    ?The worshipper replies, ?I don?t know.? Ibliss says to the Shaytans, ?Don?t you see there is disbelief in his answer??

    They then go to a man of knowledge in his circle joking with his companions and say, ?We want to ask you a question.?

    He says, ?Ask? so Ibliss says to him, ?Can your Lord put this world inside an egg??

    He replies, ?Yes.?

    Ibliss asks, ?How??

    The man of knowledge says,?His command when He desires a thing that He says to it ?Be? and it is.?(Qur?an 36:82)

    Ibliss says to the Shaytans ?Don?t you see that, the man (the worshipper) does not have any effect beyond himself, while this man (the man of knowledge) estranges much of the world from me??

    It is well known that Shaytan is with those who oppose the community. For that reason, the Muslim must keep to the Muslim community because that will keep him far from the errors and snares of Shaytan.

    The Messenger of Allah (saws) said:

    ?Whoever of you desires the heart of the Garden should cling to the community. Shaytan is with the solitary person and further off from the couple.?

    Timidhi and Ahmad

    The Messenger of Allah (saws) also said:

    ?The hand of Allah is over the community. Shaytan is with the one who opposes the community.?

    • Rats! I cried again. (God made me such a sap.)
      Anyways, thank you for posting these Marianne. Who knows how many God will reach through it?

      At the link that I posted above, he goes into detail about the Bible he received while in prison. It was in English, and he couldn’t read English. (The story is really cute.)
      But sure enough when he reads it, he could undertand it.

      • Me too! LOL

        I posted his testimony on my facebook. Just incredible…having never read the Bible, he heard “the man” say to him, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life”….and when Afshin asked the man what his name was, “the man” said “I am Jesus Christ, the Living G-d”. WOWSA!!!

  32. I am reading through WarlockAsylum’s blog, it seems a lot of astrology, is mixed up with it with ancient Chaldean mythology. Each planet or star was associated with a particular god/being or deity ….this was common across many cultures in that region, Babylonian, Hindu, Persian..they are all right next door to each other..same neighborhood. I would really be careful looking at sources outside the Bible… Astrology is generally very much demon influenced…will comment more as i finish grasping some of this stuff..

  33. Thanks MariAnne for your insightful wisdom and to others for their thoughts as well.

    I am not here to challenge anyone’s faith. Maybe I was a little naive in my approach as I thought most people are concerned with getting to the heart of the matter. So if I have offended anyone here it is not my intention.

    It is true that much of my spirituality is based on astrology, which is one of the oldest sciences known to man. In a recent article in Discover Magazine article, scientist now confirm that celestial bodies do send signals to each other.

    In the inner circles of the Chaldean Tradition that may of the “gods” were archetypes for celestial bodies. This was the case even when the Old Testament was being written, even during Abraham’s time the word Chaldean was used to describe an astrologer. So when I am speaking to people who trace the spiritual heritage in part to Abraham I am often puzzled as to the difference that they have with astrology.

    I am not into using energy for negative means. I am heavily involved also, in the practice of Shinto, which is what became of the Chaldean Tradition in later times of the ancient era. Our primary focus is in inculcating virtue into our lives.

    I do not worship negative forces and their are quite a few from ancient times.

    Although the term “warlock” is defined as oath-breaker, or male witch, some of this is taken out of context, as it originally meant the priest who made a pact with an invading people, so that his native people could gather enough time to regroup.

    If you really want to know the basis of my beliefs, then you may want to read this rebuttal post I wrote concerning our understanding of the Bible


    Stay Blessed

    • hi warlock

      I cannot say 100% about the astrology, since I was not there 4000 years ago, when YHVH God gave the commandment to Abraham. Then it was reinforced with Moses. I have studied it before, and I do see patterns and some truth to it. But the Lord told me to put it away, so I did. The bible commands us to avoid it.

      It is possible that an immature society just out of slavery from Egypt (time of Moses) demonstrated a superstitious interpretation of any religion, even their own. So, God gave a series of commandments to give structure and foundation to this vulnerable group. He regulated their lives, as if he were putting them through a “boot camp” of faith. They were on a learning curve, and it would take a generation, or hundreds of them, to start to really understand what God wanted. And some lessons they are still learning.

      Astrology can get very complex, and simplicity was the order instead. One God, YHVH, forget the others.

      From my own observations, people can get very hung up and get lost in the astrology, to the point where they cannot even make an intelligent decision without it. This sort of dependency is not mentally healthy. God gave us good reasoning ability and good minds, along with guidelines for our lives. We should not have to resort to the stars to find out what to think, or who to marry, etc. God wanted them , and us, to depend on Him for truth, and not an astrological system of thought. To assure clarity of his will, he then had the prophets write everything down. Hence, the bible was written.

      I think the issue is concentration of focus. If we just focus on YHVH God, and not any other distractions, truth comes through more clearly.

      If we focus on multiple ideas, systems of thought, etc, our minds become so scattered thinking in different directions, that truth becomes fragmented, and comes in bits and pieces, making little sense. This is especially true if the different focal points contradict each other, or give different interpretations, so that no certain conclusion can be made. I have had friends who were “into” astrology, and to listen to them made my brain feel like it was being twisted into a pretzel. First it was this, then it was that, but also this, and not that…….But maybe you have a better hold on this than my friends did.

      YHVH made one commandment clear – that there would be no other gods before him. He would be the focus of the worship and the single source of truth for man. I can see that having other gods around, if they contradict YHVH, can be a source of confusion.

      YHVH God said he was not the source of confusion. He also did not want people’s attention to be diverted away from Him to false ideas, based on personal interpretations of astrology, or any other thought system.

      While astrology may not be confusing for you, it can be for many people.

      All I can tell you is that astrology, not astronomy, is forbidden in the bible.

      I understand that the Maji that visited the Christ child were astrologers. So there was some reason they were brought there, and it is evident that they had “known” something from their science.

      knowledge is good, if used properly.

      Unfortunately, man has a tendency to misuse knowledge.

      So occult knowledge can create false thoughts if the interpretation is incorrect. This also applies to the bible. Some prophecies are obscure, and there are dozens of theories and disagreements about what one passage means.

      For the sake of sanity, God wanted mankind to stick to simple, plain truths, and to leave obscure and occult knowledge alone.

      If you can understand what is obscure and hidden, then that is for you. But if you cannot understand it, or find it confusing, then leave it be.

      Some things God intended to be obscure until the time was right for more explanation.

      For example, can you imagine someone trying to understand a prediction about a computer 3000 – 4000 years ago?

      In the same way, God had also given Daniel obscure prophecies about the end times, which we are in now. Now, how could Daniel even begin to understand what is going on today? he couldn’t. So God told him to seal up the prophecy and forget about it. It was not for his time, but for a future time.

      When people try to unlock the meanings of occult knowledge before “it is time,” they can very well end up with the wrong meaning, and be confused and just wrong.

      • Well explained Marianne…I also found this:

        Astrology (predictions by the planets or moon; horoscopes; sometimes referred to as “observing times” in the Old Testament)

        Although the Bible does go into great detail about astrology, it certainly makes its position clear. We should never trust in astrological beliefs or predictions. Astrology is an ancient, heathen practice that leads to disaster. Our lives are not determined by the stars or movement of planets. The Bible warns against the false predictions of astrology (Jeremiah 10:2; 27:9-10; Daniel 2:1-4; 4:7; 5:7-9) and repeatedly condemns the associated practice of worshiping the sun, moon and stars (or “deities or demons associated with them”) (Deuteronomy 4:19; 17:2-5; 2 Kings 21:3, 5; Zephaniah 1:5; Job 31:26-28; Jeremiah 8:1-2).

        In Isaiah, God sarcastically rebukes Israel for practicing astrology,

        …For you have trusted in your wickedness… Therefore evil shall come upon you… trouble shall fall upon you… Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, And the monthly prognosticators stand up and save you from what shall come upon you. Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall burn them; They shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame…
        -Isaiah 47:10-14a

        ….”The Bible says that anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord (Deuteronomy 18:10-12; 2 Kings 21:6; Micah 5:12; Isaiah 47:12; Ezekiel 13:18, 20; Acts 8:11-24; Leviticus 20:27; Exodus 7:11; Revelation 9:21; 22:15).

        God warns of the ultimate punishment. Revelation 21:8 says of “…those who practice magic arts …their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur… the second death” (NIV). Those who practice witchcraft (sorcery) will not inherit the kingdom of God (Galatians 5:20-21). These practices are anti-God and are in rebellion against Him. ”

  34. Thank you Marianne and Lyndsey for msking such valif points. Before I started posting on here, I would come to this blog page because you are very sincere in your work and faith in a unique way.

    Astrology is a science of the Jinn world and unless someone has that lineage then they shouldn’t really mess with it. My blog page is geared towards those who have that lineage. Marianne brought up a good point:

    “So occult knowledge can create false thoughts if the interpretation is incorrect. This also applies to the bible. Some prophecies are obscure, and there are dozens of theories and disagreements about what one passage means.”

    This is true in the occult world. The things i write about on my blog page are not what mainstrea, occultist work with. Many of them have a diferent perspective that is not spiritual at all, and problems are presented. I look forward to reading some more amazing things that are posted here.

    I will no longer post stuff relative to my tradition herre so that it doen’t get confusing, but I will may post some comments on the information that Marianne and other are discussing, in order to gain clarity.

    I did not know about the church and its teaching until I joined the Marines, so please be patient

    Many Blessings

    • No problem-thank you Warlock.

      If I may add, I have been a christian since age 6…about 37 years (trying not to give away my age, but oh well). I have known G-d my entire life. G-d is and has always been my heavenly Father and knowing Him in the way that I do I guess you could say He is my heritage.

      In the old testament, G-d comes across as being very authoritative and most powerful. In the New testament, G-d is shown in a more loving and compassionate way through His son, Jesus/Yeshua. He is still most powerful but in a less “smiteful” way. G-d ordered a lot of pagans to be killed in the Old Testament, while in the New testament, G-d gave His son to die-to shed His blood-so as to cover the sins of not just the jews but also the pagans-the gentiles.

      Needless to say, a lot of blood has been shed because of sin and what makes Jesus’ blood so important is that it was a final sacrifice given on behalf of everyone who has and who will sin-G-d can’t look upon sin because of His Holiness-so in order to bring us into His presence and a relationship with Him, His son had to die and shed his blood for us-TO COVER US so that G-d could look upon us. Does this make sense?

      The sacrifice/shedding of blood of anyone else (false gods) would be in vain because Jesus was the ONLY Son of G-d-1/2 human and 1/2 G-d (the True G-d). His blood is the only blood that could COVER COMPLETELY-the ONLY BLOOD that G-d can look upon.

      Any other gods are either created by man or are fallen angels.

      Regarding fallen angels, when reading Enoch, you will notice that it was the fallen angels who originally revealed the secrets of the stars, planets etc…they gave knowledge to us-the humans-that was forbidden for us to know and G-d punished them for this.

      I think you will enjoy the book of Enoch.

  35. Warlock,

    I think that my initial point might have been lost in all of the research and intellectual hub-ub above.
    May I ask you this? In all of your studies, have they ever led you to what you could only personally define, as being a connection with Divinity?

    A presence that was so overwhelming, that it humbled you to literally dropping on your knees? Something that made you realize
    how so very insignificant you really are, yet at the same time, how deeply you were loved and cared for?

    The people who frequent this site have experienced this first hand. We believe what we believe not from an intellectual understanding of scripture, but rather from a personal experience that took place in our heart. We can not deny the truth of that experience.

    Someone can’t approach us with something like you believe in, and have us go, “Hey that sounds logical, I think I’ll believe in that now.” That just can’t happen. That is why you received the feed back that you did.

    At this time you have your own ideas as to what your faith consists of. Though I believe that the Spirit is reaching out to you to in an effort to show you the truth. (Having free will, you have the choice to accept what we believe in, or not.)

    This is why I wanted you to watch the video that I linked above.
    Showing an individual who was absolutely positive that his religion was the right path. Yet it was only because of a connection through the heart, that his eye’s were opened to the truth.

    This is also why I asked you to simply ask God too. Not to simply believe what we say, but to experience what is available to you for yourself.
    No religion that is out there, no matter how virtuous their practices, are capable of making us Holy in the eye’s of God.
    We can try our best to be Holy, and different than others, but none of the effort is sufficient enough to accomplish the task.
    It is only through us in accepting the gift of the grace, Jesus as our Lord and Savior, that this can be done.

    All you have to do is to ask Warlock. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.


  36. Thanks Buck. I swill think about the things you said. I am happy to hear that your connection with the Divine is beyond logic because that make sense to an occlustist. Energy in motion equals emotion, something alive. Let me review your video. I will give what you said a try and will get back to you tomorrow.

    Enjoy your day

  37. God Bless you Warlock.

    If you sincerely ask God to show you what the truth is, He will show you. But it might not happen just like that. Though it can, God chooses to do it His way.

    It will be something that will happen that you simply can’t explain rationally. Maybe tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe next month. But it will happen.

  38. A presentation by Mark Biltz on how replacement theology has lead to a misunderstanding of the Scriptures.

    While he makes many references to Jews and Christians and things Jewish or Judaic, these are titles given by man. It’s always been about restoring the two houses of Israel, Judah and Ephraim (AKA Israel). And, the “Judaism” he speaks about isn’t Judaism, it’s Yahweh’s instructions for all of Israel. The Judaism is the traditions Judah has incorporated into the worshiping of Yahweh. While some of it is nice tradition, it is not necessary in order to worship Yahweh.

  39. i agree with this for the most part however those chirstians with bad mental illnesses see mostly darkness..those helathy christians..think they are unsaved becuase they are under the nothing that all christians are cheery..only god can decide who is really in the light

  40. Ashfins’ testimony is fantastic! Made me cry too.

  41. Asfins’ testimony is fantastic! Made me cry too.

  42. I believe that no matter how much ‘light’ one has, (holiness is a prerequisite) that without (genuine) love [not merely for God, but for other people as well; ESPECIALLY for other believers] their ‘light’, their holiness WILL NOT SAVE THEM. -It will only deceive them…and others.

    “If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.” – 1 Corinthians 13:1-3.

  43. […] Darkness is not Light […]

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