Anti-Zionism – Jewish self–betrayal

This is the oddest phenomenon I have ever seen. (NETUREI KARTA: a group of orthodox Jews who oppose the Zionist – Jewish state of Israel )

Orthodox position on Zionism, based on a literal form of midrash (biblical interpretation). Citing to Tractate Kesubos 111a of the Talmud Teitelbaum states that God and the Jewish people exchanged three oaths at the time of the Jews’ exile from ancient Israel:

1. That the Jewish people would not ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force;

2. That the Jewish people would not rebel against the governments of countries in which they lived (they are safer this way);

3. That the Jewish people would not, by their sins, prolong the coming of the Jewish Messiah.

Jewish anti-Zionists somehow really believe they are supposed to stay in exile, until some moment when the Messiah comes first, obviously to an Arab state, since they are not there, cleans out the place, and then it is safe to return home. They have not read their own Bibles. They think the Messiah, not God, will re-gather the Jews to Israel.

I personally do not believe such a conversation between God and the Jews occurred. Reasons:

1. When an invading army is coming in to kill you, there is no time for a discussion with anyone, including God. Since Israel was being punished for idolatry at the time, it is not reasonable that they were communing with the real God over anything.

2.. Also, since God has at many times told the Jewish people to fight for their land, it is inconsistent for God to change his mind, and tell them not to use necessary force to defend Israel.

3. Their sins have not prolonged the coming of the Messiah as much as their unbelief. Jesus said his return would be dependent upon their calling upon the name of the true God Yahweh. Also, he also predicted the Messianic redemption would only come after they were dispersed again, and then re-gathered in the end times to form the Jewish state of Israel again (prophesy of the fig tree). So to oppose the re-gathering of the exiles is to defy God’s plan to restore Israel. According to prophecies, the Branch, the Messiah, will come to save Judah from its enemies. He cannot do this, if they are not there…!!!!!

4. In the Bible, there is NO place that says it is the Messiah, not God Almighty, that re-gathers the Jews to Israel. Every place it mentions the ingathering, God is speaking Himself, about what HE will do. Again, according to prophecies, the Branch, the Messiah, will come to save Judah from its enemies. He cannot do this if they are not there already…!!!!!

Western world, opposition to Zionism has often focused on the United Kingdom since it was the UK’s decision to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

The decision was controversial from the start as some British people believed the Balfour declaration undermined Britain’s relationship with Muslims in the Middle East and India. Of course, Arab oil is important. People sell their souls and let innocent people die for it. When your nation, as a whole, has turned its back on God, then you will be open for every kind of evil and deception. You will become a fool, and a tool for Satan to use.

Racism was widespread at this time and many racists regarded British support for Jews or Zionists as undesirable. Between 1919 and 1939 the British government steadily reduced its support for Zionism. In 1939 Britain formally announced its intention to create an Arab state in the whole of Palestine, ending its support for the Balfour declaration.

There was little opposition to Zionism in other countries but as Arab states became independent the desire to maintain positive relations with Arab states has often affected attitudes to Zionism.

Although supporting the creation of Israel, from 1949 onwards, Communist countries adopted increasingly anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic positions.

Anti-Zionist Jews know this is anti-Semitism, and has nothing to do with Israel defending itself against the Palestinians.

But they have chosen to play it safe by going along with it, and pretending it is ok. They want to follow the practice of appeasement and submission to gain acceptance, and avoid persecution. But when they do this, they advocate the persecution of their fellow Jews.

Message to anti-Zionist Jews:

Put away oral traditions before they get you killed. God is a Zionist.

Read your prophets.

Read the original prophesies.

Stop making fools of yourselves. Quit the self–flagellation and masochism, and get some guts.

The remnant is predicted to be strong, not weak, in the face of its enemies. Zechariah describes the leaders of Judah as a firepan in a woodpile, like a fiery torch in the sheeves. The people will be like a fortified bronze wall (Jer 16). They will fight the enemies, and they will prevail. There is no slave mentality here.

Stop kissing the feet of your enemies.

Stop making a fool of Hashem, Yahweh, your God, and making him look like he is contradicting Himself.

Even Christians understand end time events predicted by your prophets better than you do.

You want to be accepted and not destroyed by your enemies. You know appeasement has NEVER worked in your history with your enemies. Appeasement empowers them over you. Look at just the past 2000 years of appeasement with civil authorities. All the Jews ever did was suffer and die.

Get the message that God has been speaking to you for 4000 years………. trust and serve God, not man!!!!!

Anti-Zionism – Roman and Christian (Western) roots…… Click here for more

Anti-Zionism – ancient Arab Roots…… Click here for more

Zionism : Man’s Idea or God’s Plan?…. Click here for more

Israel’s Divine Right to the land…… Click here for more

195 Responses to “Anti-Zionism – Jewish self–betrayal”

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    • Dear Marianne,

      I am sorry to break your dream, really sorry.

      Zionism is the worst thing ever : it is the cause of the World Wars, it is operated by people who do NOT believe in God, only in power and money.

      Real Jews, sincere and genuine believers, are NOT zionists. They live in peace with Christians and Muslims all over the world.

      Albert EINSTEIN himself, who used to be zionist, finaly abandonned when he understood the whole story.

      As a matter of fact, they are now trying to fire the whole planet, starting-up the 3rd World War :

      and you believe they are your friends ?!!!

      • skylight

        God is a zionist. He predicted the Jews would come back to Israel, and they did.

        You cannot change god’s will.

        Zionism did not cause the wars….although ANTI- semitism, hatred of Jews, was part of it….and muslims helped Hitler kill 6 million of them…the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem helped Hitler b y supplying an army and blocking jews from coming back to ISrael .

        muslims do not mind jews around as long as they pay the dimmini tax and act like slaves to them…but this is slavery, not peace.

        real jews ARE zionists….zion just means the mountain that the temple mount sits on… you have a bad definition of zionism….

        even the koran says that the land of Israel belongs to the jews

        • On the contrary God asked the Jews to expatriate and mix themselves into the world’s peoples after the fall of the second temple. God is exactly the opposite of a zionist. You don’t even know what you are saying. How is that muslims could help Hitler ?!!! Wereas the only who could help him were banks… owned by zionist Jews !

          Theodore Herzl, father of zionism :
          “It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-semites as liquidators of property.”

          Jews cons you and the entire world with their permanent lies like Elie Wiesel :

          They are your worse ennemies…

          Your brain has been washed.

          WAKE UP !

          • it was predicted in the books of Isaiah and Jeremiah that the jews would be scattered to the nations, and then GOD would gather them back into the land of Israel.

            Just as God used the nations to scatter the jews, he used the nations , and is still using the nations, to help the jews return to their homeland.

            it is God’s will that they be there in order to meet their Messiah when he comes for them

            it does not matter if God uses people or not…He is using them for his own purpose, no matter what their intentions are

            • You are totally lost. But you force my respect.

              I pray for you.

              God bless

              • I am not lost….

                we have different views…mine is based on scripture.

                and we should not blame the new world order on ONLY the jews…

                a lot of evil people are involved and participating jews are in the minority

            • If you believe that GOD himself would gather them back into Israel, tell me why they have to do that by themselves, killing nearly 2000 people in Gaza last time ?!!!

              This is not GOD doing nothing, this is Nazis exterminating now Muslims after Nazis have exterminated Jews during WWII, this is exactly the same, and there is nothing from GOD in the present situation but 100% of mankind (+ help of Satan of course)

              • skylight

                I do not want to bother arguing with you.

                yes god wants the jews back. they are his people. and the palestinians are NOT

                Israel defends itself against mentally psychotic crazy evil people.. the muslims in gaza are on ISraeli land and they fire missiles at Israel almost every day…they are terrorist animals …they cause their own deaths…I have no pity for them…they are evil….If I were God, I would kill ALL of them…and someday, God will wipe the palestinians off the map…..they are garbage and not even humans

              • SL33,

                I have set back and read your anti-Semitic rants. Whether you like or approve what is going on means less than nothing. Your demented thinking is ageless, but will prove fruitless in the end. Yah will do His good pleasure and Yisrael will thrive and overcome the likes of you and all others who would try and destroy her. We are called to have compassion on people who hate as you do….I am still working on that. I for one find your rhetoric disgusting and not worth the time to read, but I do hope you find the right path!


                • Hi Marianne, you see now ? Here comes he stupid nazi police poping around, telling i am antisemitic (whereas this guy has less than 40% chances to be semitic ahah, but shame on me, I should not laugh at him as he does not even know that himself…)

                  Al, you have to know that thanks to “zionists rating” EVERYBODY now on earth is antisemitic including jews themselves, so you probably are yourself (hopefully “normal”, or average, people are clever enough to understand that jews are no better and no worse than other people. Hopefully I also thank God for NOT being antisemitic, not for your pleasure – I would have loved to make you the pleasure of being antisemitic, just for you ! – but just simply because I have so many good jewish friends, we have lots of fun, I feel like I am 10 or 20 years younger when I am with them, they are fantastic people. Marianne will help you to buy glasses so that you can read better next time.

                  I am also working very hard on my side to have compassion against stupidity of all kind, especially with people who are organising deception all around the world and I also hope that – some day ! – you will understand what Norman Finkelstein says, what Israël Shamir says, what Gilad Atzmon sings, what shlomo Sand,
                  Alan Dershowitz,
                  Ilan Pappé,
                  Benny Morris,
                  Shlomo Sharan,
                  Neri Livneh,
                  Elhanan Yakira,

                  and thousand other sincere and wonderful jews who understands it is useless to lie and Israel is on the wrong way.

                  God has the sense of humour and look how zionists in Israel have built the wall of shame around themselves showing to the entire world their hate of others and behaving exactly as the ones they criticize !

                  • They need to build a better wall, because moon god worshipers full of hate and following a false god want to murder them and their children. Then, those who follow a mad man named Muhammad pass out candy to one another for their evil deeds.

                    My god of the Kaaba is not greater than any other. The god Sin can not hear, or speak. He is like the other 359 gods at the kaaba.

                    Did that black rock take away your sins boy?

                    • pop ! another one ! Waoow, seems like this hurts…

                      You are not tall enough to fight with God’s sense of humour.
                      You will know soon who are the choosen ones ! The power is in your (zionist) hands !!!

                  • while you are ranting about how bad the jews are…….I just got this message from christians who are being killed….by MUSLIMS..not jews!

                    Please pray for this urgent request.
                    Prayer Request from Dan and Marilyn Wilson Missionaries who are in the areas that are being attacked by ISIS are asking to be showered in prayer. ISIS has taken over the town they are in today. He said ISIS is systematically going house to house to all the Christians and asking the children to denounce Jesus. He said so far not one child has. And so far all have consequently been killed. But not the parents. The UN has withdrawn and the missionaries are on their own. They are determined to stick it out for the sake of the families – even if it means their own deaths. They are very afraid, have no idea how to even begin ministering to these families who have had seen their children martyred. Yet he says he knows God has called them for some reason to be His voice and hands at this place at this time. Even so, they are begging for prayers for courage to live out their vocation in such dire circumstances. And like the children, accept martyrdom if they are called to do so. These brave parents instilled such a fervent faith in their children that they chose martyrdom. Please surround them in their loss with your prayers for hope and perseverance.

                    One missionary was able to talk to her brother briefly by phone. She didn’t say it, but I believe she believes it will be their last conversation. Pray for her too. She said he just kept asking her to help him know what to do and do it. She told him to tell the families we ARE praying for them and they are not alone or forgotten — no matter what. Please keep them all in your prayers.

                    This came this morning…
                    Just a few minutes ago I received the following text message on my phone from Sean Malone who leads Crisis Relief International (CRI). We then spoke briefly on the phone and I assured him that we would share this urgent prayer need with all of our contacts.
                    “We lost the city of Queragosh (Qaraqosh). It fell to ISIS and they are beheading children systematically. This is the city we have been smuggling food to. ISIS has pushed back Peshmerga (Kurdish forces) and is within 10 minutes of where our CRI team is working. Thousands more fled into the city of Erbil last night. The UN evacuated its staff in Erbil. Our team is unmoved and will stay. Prayer cover needed!” Please pray sincerely for the deliverance of the people of Northern Iraq from the terrible advancement of ISIS and its extreme Islamic goals for mass conversion or death for Christians across this region. Let us hold up our brothers and sisters in Christ.

                    Thank you for all your prayers!!!

                    Best regards and blessings!



                    • The world system and those who belong to it have no problem with murder, or hate. Their minds are reprobate.

                  • AHHHHH! Now we are getting somewhere. All of this sounds all to familiar. So, we will all know soon who the CHOSEN ones are? I take that to mean, the REAL JEWS! In other words, you and your like minded cronies, right?

                    Do us all a favor and tell us what white supremacist group you and your cronies belong to. I am sure we would all be interested in knowing.

                    • Al, you are so funny… still making efforts ?
                      did you watch the video ?!
                      You truly belong to the choosen ones !

  2. Have a good look at ZEITGEIST movie, regarding 2012, christianity etc.

  3. Have a look at ZEITGEIST movie,

  4. Oy, you are too worried and obsessing about nothing that YOU can control! Go read the Bible and dream of Heaven. God has a plan, not one person knows what it is, including Dobson. The Jews will wait for the one they believe in while you wait for JC to come back to Israel, in the meantime, relax, you have no control, love your kids
    and put this energy into something positive…

    • I thought the above article WAS positive. It may not have been what anti-Zionists want to hear but I believe it is true.

  5. The Messaih was supposed to appear in Medina and he did, His name was Mohammad and he is Allahs last prophet. Jews at the time were waiting for it to happen but when they realized that the Messaih was not from People of Isreali but from the ignorant, idol worshipping Quresh, they were not willing to accept him although they knew it better then anyone else. They had the signs but they chose to ignore them because of arrogance and the belief that they are better then all others. Allah dislikes nothing more then arrogance.

    The people of israel were the ones who cast a magic spell on the prophet from which he was liberated by divine intervention. They were the ones who funded Quresh of Makkah to oppose and fight MOhammad, and when Khyber was won, makkah fell without a fight (Khyber was the place where most influential jews lived and funded the war on Islam by Makkan Quresh).

    The Messiah was born but Zionists are still waiting because they cannot believe that the messaih was not from among them.

    • Can you tell me where in the Qur’an it says the Messiah was to appear in Medina? Who are the Quresh? Where does it say in the Bible that the Messiah was to appear in Medina?

    • peace
      there is only one Christ, and that is Jesus Christ (peace be upon him)
      in Islam his name is Masih just like Messaih
      I advice you to read chapter “Mary” in the Qur’an
      he was born miraculously without a father just like Adam was born without a father or mother
      he heals people and raised them from the death with God permission
      I dont want to continue but you can check what was his first miracle and did he die or not, and will he come back
      here is the chapter
      Peace be upon Jesus and his Mother

  6. It is the Zionists who are betrayed Judaism and not the other way around. It was Tamrud that was created while jews were persecuted by Babylonian regime and then replaces the Torah for many. Zionists are the “Self-Betraying Jews”. Do some research, we are not stupid that someone can just shove this sort of BS on us.

  7. Put your energy into something positive. Some good jewish Rabbis haves realised what all this war and fighting brings nothing but misery on both sides and no one is happy but the fat cats at the top selling weapons and putting you foot soldiers on the front line to DIE!! As if your life wasn’t precious enough. Stop fighting and grow up and put your energy into good things to help everyone.

  8. Dear Eddy

    Zionism is God’s plan to return the Jews to Israel. The Jews have really suffered at the hands of the surrounding Arab neighbors. I am not fighting them. I am encouraging them to continue on and not give into their enemies.

    see here:


    • go f** urself marianne it’s the other way around

      • You know, Sik, anyone who believes in Allah and Islam is “st….” as you say. I won’t say the word. I pray that you will learn the truth that will set you free. I love the Muslims but I hate Allah who I believe to be Satan, the father of lies. It is sad to see so many people deceived by one deranged, narcistic man. Read Ali Sina’s website. Google his name. I am praying for you. Jesus(God) loves you.

        • DEAR SIR,


      • I will pray for you,too, that you see the truth which will set you free, ie., free from being afraid all the time.

    • @marrianne

      You say that God is a zionist, so badically your saying that somewhere written in your holy books God has allowed you to kill innocent children and innocent civilians to force them out their homelands. So your saying God Allows murder and that God promised Israel to you, and if it was promised to you then why did you forcefully take it and steal it. Do you get happy when you see dead babies? Do you think you will have a place in heaven for each child you helped murder? You really think God would bless a religion of violence and terror? I feel sorry for you and what awaits you and your people. God didnt give you Palestine, your forefathers stole it. Rothschild zionists funded hitler to kill the real jews in the holocaust. Which paved way for a jewish state to be born. What kind of religion sacrifices its own peoples blood to get something thats not theirs. What kind of religion allows babies to be killed. Zionism. Zionists are a bunch of parasites, begging to have a country to call their own. Traitors of the Torah.

      • This is exactly what the Cabalistic backseat drivers do, pit one against the other by creating incidents & feel like god. But then God is not really amused , last seen in battle form, while His Angels prepare the Hell.

  9. Dear AJ

    I am so sorry I missed your comment earlier. Usually I get an email with the comment. Somehow, the system missed yours.

    Zionism is God’s plan to return the Jews to Israel. The Jews have really suffered at the hands of the surrounding Arab neighbors. I am not fighting them. I am encouraging them to continue on and not give into their enemies.

    see here:


  10. Zionism is hitler’s continuation of whatever, do not hypocrite the word of God.

  11. hi the only one with sense here,

    I guess you disagree with me. The bible does support the return of the Jews in the last days, which we are in now.

    This is how I see it now:

    Hopefully, this link will help.


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  13. Greetings and Allahs mercy to all Muslims, and Non-Muslims
    I am going to argue on the basis of anti-zionism today.
    1. Your records/history up there goes back almost 2100 years ago, you are going to try and enforce something that happened over 21 centuries ago? I am not saying that whatever you have written above is either true, or false, but it happened a very very long time ago. If you want to argue about what happened hundreds of years ago, I can tell you the story of Zachariyah (Peace be upon him), when the jews cut his body in half, from the torso upwards. Or the amount of hatred the jews had for our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
    2. Israel has been put there by the UK to propogate and destroy Palestine, as part of the Zionist regime
    The Zionists want to destroy Palestine, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and the rest of the middle east, what is happening around us today? Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and some parts of the middle east have been invaded by the Zionists, h=and they have stolen oil, money, and brought many calamities upon innocents
    Why do the zionists want control of the middle east? Because, as stated in many books, the antichrist will emerge from the middle east, from zion, hence the name zionists
    And you, as jews, and christians, and people of the books, you are going to follow these people?
    The zionists will be the ones on one side of the army, and the jews, christians, and muslims will be of the other army, and we will fight the antichrist, yet Marianne, you are promoting the zionists?
    3. The jewish people and the christian people have been divided a lot, there are many sects within the jewish and christian religion, only one of each of these sects will assists the muslims in the great war, likewise, there will be 72 sects within islam when the antichrist comes, but only one of them will fight. So, correct yourselves before you correct others
    The christian, and jewish religions have been infiltrated countles times, and the original scripts have been altered to mislead you, by the zionists
    The only true script which remains is the Qur’an
    So try and learn and study some of our religion, then you will see the peace it brings, all muslims should be terrified by the great war, and all muslims should pray to Allah and ask for his forgiveness, and ask him that not even his grandchildren are born in the time of the antichrist, this is said clearly in many texts.

    So, Marianne, unless you are a non christian, and you want to follow these Zionists, get your facts right, for the sake of Argument

    The rockafellers, and worth $50,000,000,000,000 (50 trillion), do you know the head of there family is a zionist?
    He locks himself in a room for 6 hours a day, meditating with satan, and asking him what to do. The satan tells him what to do, and he does it for him. This is zionist culture
    They are luciferian
    And it is proven, google it
    And many of the followers of the books choose to follow these people, and not follow their books

  14. This comment That “Anti-Zionism is the self betrayel of the Jews”, is without any validity, and void of both historical and biblical fact. Contrary to your opinion, God’s word does instruct the Jewish people to wait in their dispersed lands for him, (the Messiah) to regather Israel “a second time” (Isa.11:11)
    The Jews were all regathered at the time of Christ, from both the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity. That was the “first time”
    When Isa 11:11 speaks of a “second Time” (KJV) it is in regards to the dispersion of seventy A.D., of which Christ predicted that he would leave their House desolate unto them, for their killing him.
    The Zionist Jews are mostly of the tribe of Dan,(the Eagle in Numb.2) and are anti-christly in their world view. (That is why they are not included in the 144,000 “firstfruits” as seen in Revelation, chapter 7, chapt.12, and chapt.14)

    They have in 1948,set up the ” Illegal State of Israel” and will bring about the antichrist, for the purpose of ruling the world, and ridding it of christianity, and orthodox Jewry.
    You obviously have not done your homework on this issue, thats why you have this topic “upside-down”
    Visit my webesite,(google Sorensen ministries, or and get yourself a copy of my book “None Dare Call It Deception”

    Morgan Sorensen

    • Hi Morgan

      If all Israel had been re-gathered at the time of Christ, why did he instruct his apostles to go first to the lost sheep of Israel? While Jesus was here, he had an opportunity to visit all of Israel, so these were in outside lands. The apostles were to go to outside lands and reach the rest of the Jews.

      The epistles of james speaks of all 12 tribes scattered:
      Jam 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

      Peter also has to go outside the country:
      1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

      I do not see why all Jews in Israel are considered from the tribe of Dan. How do you biologically identity someone from Dan?

      Each seems to be aware of his genealogy and heritage. This includes the Levites and Cohanim, who are there as well. They have DNA testing now for the Cohen marker.

      These are just my thoughts.


  15. Marianne, When Christ instructed the disciples, it was one of “limitaion”. Jesus said Go Not to the Heathen, nor to the Samaritans, but to the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.
    This was a limitation. They were Not to go outside the land of Israel, and not even to their half kin the Samaritans.
    (Why ? because all the house of Israel was already gathered at that time , they were Not in outside lands) The refference to the Samaritan woman in the scriptures, is there only because the Samaritans lived inside the borders of Israel. None of Jesus’s travels took him outside of Israel.
    This is why you find Christ “refusing” the Syro phoenecian woman, by telling her that the bread (of healing) was to the Jews, and not to be given to the “dogs”, (the Gentiles) but she immediatly by faith realizing who Jesus was, told him that “the dogs” eat the crumbs that fall off the table, and thereby “forced” Jesus by faith, to heal her daughter.

    The same with the centurion.

    Notice in Jn.12:20-22 , certain Greeks came and desired to have an audience with Jesus, but no such audience took place. Why, because it was beforehand determined by God, that the Gospel would ‘first” be preached to the Jews, and only after they had rejected the Messiah and the message, would it go to the Gentiles.
    Notice also, that Peter’s visit to Cornelius’s house,was over eight years after the outpouring on the feast of pentecost, and only then, by the leading of the Holy Spirit in a vission does Peter go , fulfilling Christs prediction, that He (Peter) was to be the first (Peter had the key) to “Open the door” and witness to the Gentiles.
    James the half brother of Jesus, and the “head pastor” in Jerusalem, wrote his epistle about A.d. 45/46, at which time the church had allready been under severe persecution (by the Zionists, who killed Jesus) for over 15 years, and his greeting is first and foremost a greeting as a “servant of God and of Jesus Christ”, to christian saints scattered abroad by this persecution, and of course including all of the twelve tribes as such.
    Peter had had a miracolous “Jailbreak” and had to flee Jerusalem, as he was the “Number one” on the Roman fugitive “wanted list”. The guards who watched over him were killed !!! There was a big prize on Peter’s head.
    Peter, never went to Rome, was never crucified “Up-side down”, but after a short visit in Asia minor, fled to Babylon in Shinar.( present day Iraq) He wrote both his Epistles from there, and was addressing the Saints, both Jews and Gentiles, as Saints were regarded as “strangers” in the World.

    Concerning the tribe of Dan and Zionists, I did not mean that all Jews, or even all “Zionists” are of the tribe of Dan. And I should probably have worded that differently.
    When you examine the 2nd Chapter of Numbers, you will discover that the twelve tribes camped on four sides of the Tabernacle in the wilderness. That means that there were three tribes per each of the four sides. Yet there was only one “ensign”(flag) per side, of the four sides. This means, as that passage indicates,
    that one tribe represented itself, and two other tribes, with one flag. Judah, on the east side, represented itself (with the flag of a Lion) and also represented Issachar and Zebulon,etc,etc.
    It is in this manner, that the tribe of Dan, “heads up” the despicable and murderous Zionist movement. For example, the Rothschilds (and American Rothschilds called Rockefellers) are all Dan-ites. of course, many other Jewish tribes are sold out to their agenda, so are many so called christians, who espouse “Zionism”, such as the reprobate John Hagee, (divorced because of His adultery, and remarried, yet still in the pulpit) who preaches a second “door” for the Jews into the Kingdom, when Acts.3:20-26 makes it clear, that also the Jews must enter through Christ, or be “Cut off”.

    Hope this clarifies the issue


    Morgan Sorensen

    • Hi Morgan

      I see the 12 tribes abroad, as those who need to hear the gospel (unsaved). So this would mean not all Israel was inside the country at the time of Jesus. Even when the first aliyah occurred from Babylon, not all Jews returned to Israel. A problem Nehemiah had. Many remained behind in Babylon. So they were outside the country when Jesus came.

      how do you know Peter was in Shinar? I thought he stayed in Jerusalem, and let Paul and the others travel around. I would assume that the strangers he wrote to were people he never met, which is why they were strangers, and not friends.


  16. Marianne, I did not mean that every single living Jew was back in Israel at the time of Christ, because that was not possible, and the scriptures verify that, with those coming “from abraod” for the three major feasts. What I meant was that significant numbers of EVERY tribe was represented, so that they could not “escape” the fact, that God had given ALL of ISRAEL a chance to accept the Messiah.

    How do I know Peter was in Babylon ? Both Historic and biblical.
    If you will look at 1.Pet.5:13, and read his “salutation” you will have the biblical evidence. ythe historic evidence is a little harder to come by, but it is available, if one takes the time to dig for it.

    As for the word “strangers”, you will find it a common conotation used about Christians by some of the early church historians, I cannot remember any right now, also if you look at 1.Pet.2:11 , it probably will clarify your thinking, as to what he means with the word “strangers”.

    Also the last half of Heb. chapt.11 is a good place to begin, in understanding how the early Christians were “outcasts”

    Vist my web site if you have the time, it is not elaborate like your site as it is quite new. I think you would benefit from reading my book,”None Dare Call It Deception”


    Morgan Sorensen

  17. leave the palestinians alone to f**k get out of there country yous didnt like it when hitler banished you so think of it that way. now israelis are just as bad as hitler

    • How can something so negative as swearing bring any good with it? I think it would surprise even me how terrible is the effect of swearing on those choosing to use it. I wonder when I hear someone spewing filth out of their mouth, how much it has already and how much it will in the future affect their life. It is a disgusting habit and totally unnecessary.

    • How can something as negative as bad language possibly do the person using it do any good? I wonder, when I hear someone swearing, how much it has already and will continue to affect their lives. Tell me what good it can do, just one example when it is really useful in a positive way? It is so disgusting.

  18. rabbies-fanatics almost disfigured Jewish people when Haskala and its consecuence-Zionism-saved remnants of our people.This ugly creatures are ridiculose,but there are masses of mercenary succesful Jewish antisemites-frieds of any Jew`s enemies

    • Hi Boris,

      I do not quite understand your conclusion. Do you favor zionism, or do you oppose it? thank you.

    • HI Boris,

      I am still trying to understand your views. You said:

      rabbies-fanatics almost disfigured Jewish people when Haskala and its consecuence-Zionism-saved remnants of our people.This ugly creatures are ridiculose,but there are masses of mercenary succesful Jewish antisemites-frieds of any Jew`s enemies

      do you favor Jews? yes or no

      do you favor Zionism yes or no

      do you say jews hurt you? yes or no

      do you say Jews help you? yes or no

      thank you

  19. Marianne:

    A video on Ahmadinejad meeting with Anti-Zionis Jews for your bloggers:


    • HI Kitti,

      This is the most horrendous thing I can think of. These Jews have totally lost their minds, their self respect, respect for suffering Jews in Israel, and the true interpretation of scripture.

  20. Marianne, This is not Horrendous at all. These are the “true Jews”, who are patiently waiting for the Messiah. These are the “elect Jews”, whom Christ was refering to in Mt.24:30-31, that He is going to send His angels to gather “after the tribulation of those days”.
    Your Idea that “Zionism” is good, is a misrepresentation of facts. As Zionism is the horendous “Antichristly” religious system ,that will bring about the personal Antichrist and the one world Govt. system that the Bible calls the “Tribulation”.
    Zionism, today controls All world banking, major food production, all news media in teh world, controls most Governments through their control of the world masonic system, and are predicted in scripture to cause a “depopulation” of the earth of one third. This “murderous” group of fanatic Jews, and non-Jews alike, have been involved in every major war since long before the time of Christ. (If you read about Hanibal, and realize that he was Jewish, as was his “employer” Quintus Fabius Maximus, then that whole historic era will come into proper perspective)
    Here are just a few “Zionist atrocities” since the 1700’s, that they “money’ed and managed”
    The French revolution, and the murder of 3 million inocent people.

    The American revolution with all it’s political and financial ramifications.

    The Napolionic era, and its “test” for world control.

    The American civil war, the “reconstruction”, and the ‘wiping out’ of the American Indians.

    The first world war, and the re-aranging of european borders.

    The second world war,(and second test of world cotrol) and the holocaust. (which was the brain child of Rothschild and Ben Gurion,in their heinous plan to set up the illegal state of Israel,(1948) as we have it today.

    Every major war and “conflict” since then, has been the work of the “Zionists” and their “United Nations” (owned and controlled by the Rothschilds/Rockefellers) and they will continue to do so until they have totally enslaved all humans in the one world Government they are planning, as they want to “own the earth”
    But God says to them, that even if they “make their abode amongst the stars”, (the space program, is Zionist owned and operated) even from, there God will bring them down.

    Marianne, if “Zionism” that controls Israel today is good, why is it that if you witness to a Jew in Israel today, you get thrown in jail ? Next Question; Does God love All people of teh earth ? If so, does God not hate the atrocities carried out by the “Zionists” against the Palistinians ?
    How could the Murderer “Ariel Sharon”, (the “butcher of Sabra”) become prime minister of Israel, when he and his men were guilty of killing over 20,000 Palistinian women and Children ?
    Do you condone this bastardly behaviour ? Why has not this bastsrd been tried for crimes against humanity, as the Serbian leader was ?(even though he was guilty of less than half of what Sharon was guilty of) Sharon is still alive is’nt he ?

    Marianne, I think you need to re-think your position on this, as what you hold to, does not “square-up” with historic fact, or the word of God. “Zionism” is a religion of murder and extinction, and they are the purpetrators of all these crimes against humanity in our day, as they control everything.

    The “orthodox Jews” have for centuries suffered at the hands of these “Zionists”. Go to “you tube’ and check out the protests of “orthodox Jews against Zionism” in New York some time ago, and listen to their message, Those are God’s chosen people ! ! !

    Morgan Sorensen

    • Hi Morgan

      I think the inappropriate assignment of blame for world events to the Jews/Zionists is a conspiracy of anti-Semites, and the Jews are innocent of these charges.

      If Zionism really controlled the world, Israel would be a lot more popular.

      • Nothing is happening in or with Israel of which God is not in control.

        You are right Marianne. The anti-semites (like I think Morgan is) are always quick to cite the supposed atrocities done against the Palestinians and never do they mention the atrocities by the Palestinians against Israelis which initiates (at last) a retaliation by Israel. If I were Israel I don’t think I would have been so patient with the Palestinians who were sending their rockets over to hit Israeli civilians.

        The Palestinians (Ptns) use civilians (even children) as human shields when they expect an attack from Israel, who, by the way, lets them know ahead of time that they will be bombing the headquarters of Hamas and their cache of weapons and leaders of the terrorist groups. Why do Ptns use human shields? It is because THEY KNOW THAT ISRAEL WILL NOT FIRE ON THEM or their arms if Israel knows that there are civilians there. What does that tell you about Israel? Unfortunately one day the Israelis will not know there were civilians there and will fire on the terrorists which will kill the Ptn civilians. Guess what? What a story and an outrage that would be if Israel killed civilians and children. The terrorists would be happy about it because then the world could see how bad the Israelis were. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and imagine if Israel used human shields. Do you think the Ptns would hold their fire? Not a chance. They are happy when they kill a Jew of any kind even children. Search Human Shields at YouTube.

        Another thing Morgan doesn’t mention or doesn’t want to be aware of is that Israel tries to help the Palestinian civilians as much as it can. They have given them truckloads of food. They have helped them by giving them all they need to grow strawberries and the leaders of Hamas came along and destroyed it. Morgan and people like him forget to tell others how the Ptns go to Israel to get medical treatment which Israel gives to them free of charge. The likes of Morgan forget to tell you that Israel tolerated rockets being fired from Gaza for 3 years causing 3000 deaths of Israel civilians before Israel finally retaliates and decides to try to get rid of some of the rockets and other arms and to kill the terrorists among the Ptns. Instead of condemning Israel, the world should be supporting Israel to kill off the terrorists. We don’t want terrorists, do we?

        Another thing that Morgan and people like him don’t tell you is how strange it is that so many Palestinians who finally come out of Islam and change to Christianity or even secularism, are taking Israel’s side rather than the Ptns’ side telling of terrible atrocities by Ptns. Read the book, Son of Hamas, written by a Mosab Hassan Yousef, a Palestian whose father is one of founders of Hamas,who has ‘been there’…available at Amazon etc. Who is to know better than people like this? I even saw very credible videos of a Muslim man from Egypt tell of the atrocities of the Muslims against Israelis only because they hated them. This Muslim man was speaking up because he wants to end the violence and killing.

        Another thing rarely discussed anywhere is the fact of how Palestinians are killing Palestinians by the 1000s for various reasons one of which is to make it look like the Israelis did it. This is a tactic of Muslim terrorists in other places. I saw an article in our local paper where the Taliban in Afghanistan killed a bunch of their people only to make it look like the American soldiers did it. Hard to imagine unless you realize these people are demon-possessed.

        Please understand,I do not hate the Palestinians and especially not the Ptn civilians. I pray for them often. I even pray for the terrorists. And of course, I pray for the Israelis and for the peace of Jerusalem.

        God bless you. Send me a private email if you wish.


  21. Marianne, I am surprised at your expressed ignorance of history.
    Zionism today does control all world banking, all world stock exchanges, all gold mines, all diamond reserves in the world, all mineral reserves in the world, all major shipping operations in the world, all major shipping lanes (canals) in the western world.
    They own the “Crimean” oilfields in Russia (1917) they own the “north sea” oilfields, (by banking manipulations) They “took over” the “mid east oil fields” back in 1915. The Idea that the Saudi Arabian sheiks, and that Iran “own the oil”, is a “smoke screen” to cover up the real owners, the Zionists. ( I challenge you to go check it out, not here in the States, but much info is available in Canada, and also overseas.)
    They own every “central bank” in the entire world,(including the ownership of the illegal ‘Federal Reserve’ here in the U.S., which is not “federal” at all, but a private “central bank”)
    If you will take the time to do some Historic research, you will discover that your above comment is not factual, and not even “logical” in light of very open and disturbing evidence of their world control. No wonder the Bible says that “as a snare it shall come upon all the world”, because most people live in the same ignorance of the truth as you do, as well as the fact that the continual Zionist propaganda machine, disinforms the public, not to mention that they also “control” almost all publishing, copy editing, proof reading, and the like, by Copyright and “ISBN” markings, as well as inventing and owning the internet an all major news media.
    Marianne, you really need to get a grip on these facts. The cliche “anti-semitism” was coined by these scoundrels, and they use it for, or against at will. Considder this almost 50 million “orthodox Jews”, who oppose Zionism, cannot all be wrong !

    Morgan Sorensen

    • Morgan

      History according to WHO?

      ALl through history there has been antisemitism. It sounds like you are reading the wrong history sources. There are lies and slander everywhere, to digest, and poison oneself with.

      Jews were blamed for the banking crisis in Germany, and none of them had anything to do with it, but they got thrown into gas chambers anyhow.

      For one thing, Jews are a tiny % of the world population. Most of them are poor, or average in income. They concentrate in music, education, law, science, computer technology, theological studies, medicine,….not that many in business.

      Go to ISrael sometimes….even where they should flourish the most, Israeli businessmen are not rich. THey are just average.

      You have some terrible misconceptions about these people, gleaned from reading corrupt sources. Please read sources that are more fair to them.

      By the way, there is not “50 million Orthodox Jews”

      THere are only 13 million Jews in the world.

      Only 11% of American Jews are Orthodox. about 800,000

      About 50% of Israeli Jews are Orthodox…..4 million…..and they live in Israel, showing they approve of state of Israel being there.

    • Hello Morgan
      Only an anti-semite says the things you say. ALL is not controlled by the Zionists. There are not enough Zionists in the world for that. These industries are controlled by all sorts of people from every nationality, from Gentiles and from Jews. You do not have proof of what you say. I see you do not provide one reference. It is all in the imaginations of an Anti-Semite like yourself.

      You also know nothing about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. See my response to Marianne above your post.


  22. Marianne, the above was suposed to read five million.(My daughter was talking to me as I was typing, and I guess the distraction caused me to add the zero)

    Any way,… to answer your comments. Yes, the poor Jews were wrongfully blamed for the banking crises, but the “rich Jews”, particularly the “house of Rothschild”, that owned the central bank in Frankfurt,(the Reichsbank) were the actual perpetrators, and Did cause the German banking crises. That is Historic fact.
    (See how “brilliant” these Zionist’s were; They cause the banking crises, then blame it on the Jews, who get persecuted and eventually killed in a “Zionist planned Holocaust”, while these murderers sit “protected” in their mansions, and command,by their money, the politics of that time.)

    What’s more, the “Jewish residence” on “liberstrasse 15” was where Hitler got his “marching orders”. All his main “advisors” were Jewish.
    All of the 100 octane “aircraft fuel” that was needed for the first 3½ years of Hitler’s air war, came from Caracas, Venezuela, and was called “ESSO”, (which stands for “Eastern States Standard Oil) this was owned by the Rockefeller’s, who at the time, also had 50% “ownership” in the German “Reichsbank”. You want to tell me, that the Rockefellers did Not know what was going on in Germany ?
    And any way, why were the Rockefellers,as Americans, supplying fuel to our enemy ?
    Why did Allan Dulles,(an illegitimate rockefeller) sit out the 2nd World War in Switzerland, collecting payment for the Rockefeller petroleum from Nazi Germany ? I could sit here all day long, asking you questions, that you would not be able to answer about the Zionists.
    They have re-written History, and No it is not I that am reading the wrong History, but you, Marianne. For example; History tells us that “the comunist manifesto” was written by “Karl Marx” in 1848, and I am sure you would concur with that, as it comes right out of the “official” and supposedly “correct” Zionist controlled media.
    Truth is; (and you can check this out if you will) that the “manifesto”, as it was originally called, was written by Clinton L. Rosevelt, here in U.S. and incorporated into the Southern New York State Library of Congress catalog, in the summer of 1841, (seven years before it was published as “the Comunist manifesto” in 1848)
    What’s more important, was that this “Jewish Zionist”, headed up the (now infamous) Tammany Hall, (the most powerfull machine inside the democratic party) and He just happened to have six relatives, who had become, or were to become Presidents of these United States. Both Presidents Adams, President Polk, President van Buren, and both Presidents Roosevelt. (so much for free and fair elections) and He belonged to a “minority group”,(Jewish) that made up less than one percent (!) of the U.S. population, (How was that possible ? you go figure, Marianne)
    It is obvious, that you are the one not reading true history here. Every social evil in the last 100 years, fom drugs to pornography, is controlled by the Zionists, that is a fact you cannot deny ! ! !
    I am sorry,Marianne, but you are the one with the terrible misconceptions, and not me.
    Your analogy of Israeli businessmen not being wealthy, is somewhat flawed,as you are obviously not speaking of the major business owners, that do not live in Israel, but Switzerland, France, Germany, South Africa, and the U.S.
    You really need to rethink this, Marianne.

    Morgan Sorensen

  23. Marianne, a good place for you to begin your “historic education”,
    is toy visit a “Jewish” expositor of teh Zionists, Jeff Rense.
    Just google and begin your education. Next go to , and there will be links to many more.

    Morgan Sorensen

    • dear morgan

      Rockefeller was a Christian, not a Jew

      Rothschild was a philanthropist. So he supported Israel. So what? I am glad he did. There was nothing wrong with establishing Israel. It was a place of refuge for Jews. You have no proof he betrayed his own people.

      Hitler had his own ideas. He did not get them from Rothschild. He got him from Martin Luther, who hated Jews.

      Karl Marx was a Lutheran.

      Franklin D. Roosevelt was an Episcopalian.

      Being Jewish is not a sin.

      There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, and there is nothing wrong with Zionism. There is nothing wrong with Israel, except that her enemies have hated her for 4000 years.

    • Jeff Rense is not the know all and be all about Zionism or anything else for that matter. Marianne, if you want education forget this Morgan and Rense and go to your Bible and ask God for the answers.

      I would not have a lot of faith in someone who says Hitler was a Jew. He may have had 1/32 Jewish blood but that does not make him a Jew.

  24. marianne, are you really this ignorant, or are you just playing “dumb”?
    The Rockefeller’s are Jewish. Christianity is not a Race, but a belief. You know better than to pull this stunt.
    Many Zionist Jews “convert” to some sort of “christian faith” to hide their identity. (Allan and Foster Dulles were “Methodists”, but Jewish nonetheless)
    All the Rothschilds, are Jewish. Being a philantropist does not denote your race or ethnicity. And yes, the Rothschilds have committed treasonous murders on their own people.
    Israel is first of all not a refuge for Jews, as true Jews will remain in the lands that they have been dispersed, until the Meshiach returns.
    According to scripture, the “appostate’ Jews will outnumber the true Jews 2 to 1 in modern Israel, when Christ returns for the Battle of Armageddon.( the one third true Jews will flee to Petra, the other two thirds will perish in Israel together with all the Zionists, who accept the mark of the Beast)

    Hitler was Jewish, and was sponsored by the “Reischbank”, the Dutch (jewish) Monarchy,as well as a super wealthy dutch(Jewish)
    banking house.
    Karl Marx, like so many Zionists, was lutheren Yes, to hide his being a Zionist Jew. His Mothers name was Henrietta Pressburg, and she was from holland, and came from a long line of Jewish Rabbi’s. Karl Heinrich Marx’s real name was Moses Levi Mordechai.
    And “your History” says He wrote the Comunist manifesto, (which is a lie) true history declares that the manifesto was written by Clinton Roosevelt. (and if you will stop believing the big lie, then get yourself a library of Congress clearance, and check it out in the southern New York State Library of Congress) Incidently, clinton Roosevelt submitted two manuscripts in the summer of 1841, the other was called “Human Government and natural Law”. Check it out , you will see I am correct, and you need to stop believing the Big Lie.
    FDR was a Jew ! His episcopalian association had nothing to do with his ethnicity. You are deliberately “skirting the issue” here, Why ?
    True, being Jewish is not a sin, it is a blessing. But being a Zionist, is a Curse. Jesus said to them; “Your father is the Devil, he was a murderer from the beginning ,and his lust ye will fulfill”.
    I agree, There is nothing wrong with being Jewish, But, there is everything wrong with being a Zionist. Go to Rense dot com, and Power of prophecy dot com, and get yourself out of the fog.
    There is everything wrong with modern Zionist Israel, that has stolen palistinian land and houses, killed inocent palistinian women and Children by the hundreds of thousands, (that if you do not condemn, then you must condone, and be as guilty before the living God, as the Zionists are, of those atrocities)

    Ther is everything wrong with a Zionist Israel, that wants to,and is by biblical prediction going to, enslave the world under the Antichrist, possibly murdering 4 billion or more inocent people, and one of the reasons they will accomplish this, is because people like you, are refusing to tell the truth about Zionism. It saddens me to discover your apathy and ignorance on this issue.


    • Morgan,

      It does not look like we will ever agree on this.

      God is zionist, and promised to bring the Jews home in the last days. Each time he has returned them to their land, which really belongs to them, not the palestinians, he has used his spirit, and man, but not a MEssiah to return them.

      THe scriptures do not say that the Jews have to wait until the Messiah comes, before they can return to the land. That is a notion of some, but the bible does not say that.

    • Morgan,
      It is you who are ignorant and also rude in the way you talk. You are being insulting by telling Marianne to go to Rense of all people. If that is where you are getting your information, you are getting it from many who a bunch of Anti-Semite and often Anti-Christian bigots. These people go to Rense to have their ears tickled with what they want to hear.

    • Morgan
      You should get yourself out of the Rense fog and go back to God and your Bible. Stop believing all those conspiracy theories most of which are out and out lies.

    • You want people to renounce “Zion”
      Christians are not going to do this, b/c they believe that Jesus is the cornerstone OF Zion-spiritually AND Physically.
      Jews believe that God IS Zion.

      This propaganda against Zion, IS propaganda against God, AND Jesus.

      People don’t GET what they are talking about with the Jewish people that are Erav-Rav; mixed in with the multitude, sorcerers and magicians that were WARNED by God to Moshe to NOT let them go with him.

      Todays Jews that are in power and 50% Jews USA, and abroad- ARE indoctrinated with Bolsehvik brainwashing. When they came from Russia, they were NEVER debriefed, and these Bolshevik Jews are communists to this day, and THAT is the problem with the leadership in America and the leadership in Israel, it is NOT “ZION” that is the problem OR “Zionism” it is Worldwide Communism/Bolshevism.

  25. Alright Marianne, you say the Bible does Not say that the Jews have to wait until the Messiah comes. So let me give you biblical proof. Jesus said, that the gathering of the “elect”(the Jews) would only happen “after” the tribulation of those days.(Mt.24:31)
    Amos declared the return a “second time”, (as in “Again”, also veryfied in Isa.11:11-12) and James, the half brother of Jesus, and “Head Pastor” in Jeruasalem, confirmed that Amos.9:9-15 would be fulfilled after the “church age”, and said that all the prophets agreed with this.( Acts.15:13-18)
    Here are some more passages that prove you wrong !

    Isa.14:1-2, 27:12-13,43:5-6, 60:9-22, Jer.3:17-18, 16:14-16, Jer. 23:3-8, Jer.24:5-7, 50:19-20. (also Zech.12:10-12, Rom.11:25-32)
    (notice Rom.11:26, as it refers to the Messiah)
    Ezek.11:17-20, 16:60-63, 20:33-44, 28:25-26, 34:11-31, 36:6-38,

    Ezek. chapters 37, 38, and 39

    Hos.1:10-11, 3:4-5, Joel. 3, Mic.2:12-13, 4:1-8

    These are just a few of the many references to Christ’s gathering of the “Jewish elect”, and definitely “after” the tribulation.
    Marianne, are you going to ignore the scriptures on this, like you have ignored the truth I have given you about the Zionists ?

    And by the way, God is NOT a zionist, by the modern definition of the word. As zionism, as instigated by the Rothschilds and Herzl, is an “ideology”, not connected to God, and far removed from the Torah, and totally based on the kaballah.(the eighth book of the Talmud, a religion picked up in Babylon)
    Zionism is a dispicable religion of witchcraft, and “Baal worship”, (Ezek.8) and God says in Isa.9:13-16, and Ezek.11:4-12, that he will destroy these Zionists, that rule Jerusalem, and “afterward” He,(the Messiah) will gather the true Jews, back to Israel, once the detestable Zionists have been destroyed. Ezek.11:17-21. (Read it, you might learn something)

    Marianne, you are right, we will never agree on these issues, as long as you refuse to believe the TRUTH.


    • Morgan,

      I have a question for you, if you would please take the time to explain this to me.
      Why is it in Scriptures, that we find two different Zion ??
      One is spelled Sion and the other is spelled Zion.
      Thank you for your response.

      • hi Abigail

        Could I offer a reply? in Hebrew, zion is spelled with thie first letter being tsadi, or sometimes pronounced sadhi, there is really no english equivalent. Depending on who is pronouncing the letter, it will either sound like a “z” or a “s.”

        צ first letter.

        so some translators use the z sound, and some use the s sound.

        • Hi Marianne,

          I do think that it is more than just a spelling and a sound.

          There seems to be two very distinct mountains in the Scriptures.

          For we find in:

          Deu 4:48
          From Aroer, which [is] by the bank of the river Arnon, even unto mount Sion, which [is] Hermon

          Also known as Ba’al Hermon, Mt. Lebanon, Jabel A-talg, ‘Arqub, Hermon Massif, Hermon Slopes, Jebel esh-Sheikh, Senir, Shenir, Sion, Sirion
          Mt. Hermon is the southern tip of the anti-Lebanon mountain range.  Its highest peak is 9230 feet and the highest point inside Israel’s borders today is Mizpe Shelagim at 7295 feet. 

          And then we find in

          2Ch 5:2
          Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which [is] Zion

          So one is Jerusalem and the other in Lebanon

          Psa 133:3
          As the dew of Hermon, [and as the dew] that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, [even] life for evermore

          Sgs 4:8
          Come with me from Lebanon, [my] spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions’ dens, from the mountains of the leopards

          And then there are the verses in the new testament seven all together that speaks of Sion.
          Now the new testament was apparently not written in Hebrew.

          I truly think that we have here two different mountains with more or less the same name.

          • Hi Abigail

            So what do you think the significance might be?

            • Hi Marianne,

              Well … geography (latitude and longitude), would for one dictate its history.
              The one mount is favored by The Lord and the other is a place of Baal worship.
              I think that there is a masonic temple on one and not on the other.
              One is judge by The Lord as evil and not the other.
              I think it is most significant in the context of Zionist
              and Sionist.
              I would like to see Morgan’s view on this.
              He seems to know a lot of history … but I think he is missing this one ingredient.

              • hi abigail

                well, there is correct history, and correct interpretation, and there is false history, and false interpretation.

                for example, I can have a post about homosexuality being a sin….someone else will write a historical statement for the world that I am “homophobic and abusive.” So who is right?

                • Yes I understand that some people like to attack us directly.
                  But I was just curious, as to what Morgan had to say on the subject of 2 Mounts bearing the same name.
                  We know how Satan likes to imitate the Truth.
                  That is why there is an anti-Christ.
                  Lebanon is a far cry from Jerusalem.

    • hi Morgan,

      I would see the elect as those believers who have come to faith in the tribulation. Hopefully, the jews will be included.

      Matt 24 refers to the rapture, not the physical return to Israel for the last time.

      Scripture says that God, not the Messiah in the flesh, will being the Jews back to Israel, and God has done this.

      • Marianne, first of all, the passage of Mt.24:31 makes it clear, that  only “after” the tribulation of those days, the “elect” (Obviously Jewish, as the “first Resurrection” is completed before the battle of Armageddon)will be gathered, as was predicted by the prophets. And this gathering will be  by the Messiah, known as “the Branch”. (all which you seem to deny in your response)  Here are some more passages to discover, that confirm that the Messiah is the one that commands the gathering of “the elect”.  Isa.4:2, 11:1, Jer.23:5, 33:15, Zech.3:18, 6:12. And no, Israel has Not been gathered “a second time”, as predicted in several passages, such as Isa 11:11-12. That prophecy is still for the future, and is what Christ predicted in Mt.24:31.  Sorry to tell you that you are Wrong ! Marianne, I find it ironic, that you discuss “concentration camps” in America (there are actually more that 600 of tham now completed, that can accomodate 30,000 to over 250,000 people)  Who do you think constructed them, and on whose orders, and funding ?  (hint; the Zionist’s, and paid for by Costco and Haliburton)  Yet you say that there is nothing wrong with the Zionist’s ? Today we have in America, an illegal immigrannt, (who refuses to provide his Kenyan birth certificate, because we have a supreme court that is controlled by the Zionist’s, that refuses to hear the case) illegally  sitting in the White house as the “president” of the United States.  You know why ?  Because of the iniquity of the Zionist’s, and their manipulation and control of the media, which has resulted in the apathy of the public.  And you call this evil, good ?  God gives very stern warnings in the O.T. to those who put evil for good , and good for evil. I am sadened that you do not understand this issue.Morgan

    • Morgan, Before you preach to others, get your data straight. The Bible, mostly New Testament, is corrupted and thoroughly misinterpreted. Jesus meant he would come after the tribulation of THOSE times (fall of Temple, 60-70’s CE), not our times. There have been many saviors, LIKE JAMES, Jesus’ FULL brother (read Eisenman). Enoch (1 Enoch 64:5) was a savior. Moses and Samuel were too, 3 Enoch 48:5. The Nag Hammadi Gnostic gospels, unpolluted, unlike the canon, speak of several apostles as successor Masters to Jesus. The Gospel of Judas, with JUDAS sacrificing HIMSELF, not Jesus, is another. You, like other Christians, are not well informed on history of the scriptures.

  26. Hi Abigail,Sorry for my not responding sooner, as I have been out helping a friend cut some grass, and as he is coming a little later today, I got time to check my e-mails. (I will try to respond to Marianne later)You have the correct understanding on Sion vs. Zion.  “Sion”, as described in Deut.4:48, is mount “Hermon” also referred to as “Baal Hermon”, and is situated just south west of Damascus Syria,(aobout 30 miles) and if you draw a staight line on a map, from Damascus, west to the coastal town of ‘Tyre”, the line will cross right over Mt. Hermon.  This mountain is about 95 miles north of Jerusalem, and “smack dab” in the territory of Dan. And Yes, you are also correct, that it was the center for “Baal worship” (which is what “masonry is today )  This is why only the “males” in Israel were circumcised (not for ‘salvation’ as some claim, as then we would have to conclude that the women were not in God’s covenant , as they were not circumcised) but to keep the men “out of” the Baal orgies, in which they danced around an “obelisk” and “flipped up” the “apron” that they were wearing to reveal the male reproductive organ,(the god of this world) which of course would identify the Hebrews, and get them killed.  So circumcission, was God’s way of preventing the Hebrew men of worshipping “other god’s”  “Sion” in the N.T. always refers to “Zion”, which is Jerusalem. (the City of David)   Zion is actually the name of one of the five “major” hills,(of seven) that Jerusalem was built upon.      This is the City referred to in Rev.17:9, about the woman who sits on seven hills, and denotes modern day Zionism,(which will bring about the Antichrist, through the U.N.) and the reason for Johns “astonishment”. (and not the city of Rome, as the Vatican is outside the seven hills that Rome proper is located on.) Those five major hills are; Zion, Akra, Bezetha, Moriah, and Ophel. Hope this helps, and a very good and deep question, I don’t get that very often. You sound like a serious student of the word of God, glad to meet you.

    • Thank you for your response to my question concerning the two Mounts.
      As for the covenant God made with Abram ‘ shall be in your flesh’ and that of every male child as an everlasting covenant.
      Then The Lord changed Abram’s name to Abraham.
      But please note that The Lord also changed the name of ‘Sarai’ to Sarah.
      Thus making His covenant with both Abraham and Sarah.
      Changing the flesh and changing the name.
      But that is another discussion.

      So now that we agree that there exist 2 Mounts with similar names.
      I would like to continue my discourse with you concerning these two Mounts.
      Is not one of them sitting at 33 degrees longitude or latitude?
      Is there not a modern day Temple of freemasons on one of these?
      And which one is that?
      I think this important. So please be patient with me.

      As for being a serious student, are we not all?

  27. Here I have found some text concerning this Mount Sion.
    Do not know how reliable this is but this site states:

    Sion means “lofty,” whereas, Zion means “stronghold.” It is evident that Satan was pushing for a counterfeit of God’s plan for man’s redemption. The devil was determined to replace the “seed” of the woman with the “seed” of the serpent.

  28. Abigail, I don’t know what you are trying to prove, but as to your question, mount Hermon is at Aprox. 33deg. 18 min. of Latitude, and aprox 35 deg. longditude.
    Obviously, since it was The place of Baal worship in the past, it could have a masonic temple there today, but I do not know about that. Whereas in Jerusalem, there is a 33 degree Masonic Temple, for sure ! ( you might not like to hear that, but it is true , none the less.)
    As for the circumcission covenant, I was Not refering to Abraham, but to God’s command to Moses in Lev.12:1-5, and it only includes the “male child”, and for the reasons I already have stated. As to your comment on being a serious student, do I detect some sarcasm ? No, not every one is a serious student, many christians I have come across, are nothing but “opinionated snobs”, but I am sure you have never experienced this, based on your comment.


    • Dear Morgan,

      It is not only something of the past, although it certainly has its history.
      If it was only of the past I don’t think it would matter much …
      And no Morgan I am not sarcastic … True christians, those that have some intellect do not wish to be deceived.
      In this way we are all serious about our well paid for salvation.
      Many do have opinions, I know and are certainly entitled to have such.
      i have experienced many obstacles in my life.

      Now back to our discussion here is my point.

      Jesus Christ will rule over His Kingdom from Mount Zion in Jerusalem during the Millennium.
      The Antichrist will rule over his kingdom from Mt. Sion/Mt. Hermon during the Golden Age.
      1967, June 5-10 – Six-Day War: Israel captured two strategic areas for end-time scenario: Jerusalem and the Golan Heights (Mt. Hermon).
      “The escalation of threats and provocations continued until June 5, 1967, when Israel launched a massive air assault that crippled Arab air capability. With air superiority protecting its ground forces, Israel controlled the Sinai peninsula within three days and then concentrated on the Jordanian frontier, capturing Jerusalem’s Old City (Subsequently annexed), and on the Syrian border, gaining the strategic Golan Heights. The war which ended on June 10, is known as the Six-Day War.” – 124:135-6
      1974 – United Nations controls Mount Hermon area in Israel.
      Found on map of Israel regarding Mt. Hermon area: “Area occupied by United Nations Disengagement Observer Force Since 1974”

      Mt. Sion/Mt. Hermon sits at exactly 33.33′ north and 33.33′ east according to Paris.
      I had links to give you which I viewed only yesterday on Yahoo but mysteriously today they are

      The King James Version of the Old Testament contains two
      references to Mt. Sion – Psalm 65:1 and Deut. 4:48 which identifies
      it as Mt. Hermon. In the Greek alphabet there is no letter ‘Z’;
      therefore the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, changed all Hebrew spellings of ‘Zion’ to ‘Sion’.  However, Strong’s Concordance shows that the Hebrew words for Zion and Sion are different and are not interchangeable.

      Deuteronomy 4:48
      KJV – …even unto mount Sion, which is Hermon… 
      #7865 Siy’on {see-ohn’} from 
7863; n pr mont AV – Sion 1; 1 Sion = “lofty” 1) another name for Mount Hermon
      Isaiah 33:20
      KJV – Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem…
      #6726 Tsiyown {tsee-yone’} the same (regularly) as 
6725; TWOT – 1910; n pr loc AV – Zion 153, Sion 1; 154 Zion = “parched place” 1) another name for Jerusalem especially in the prophetic books.
      The King James Version sometimes follows the Septuagint instead of the Hebrew Masoretic Text. (See: KJV Preface)

      Psalm 65:1
      KJV – “Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.”

      • In the Greek New Testament, the word “Sion” [#4622] does not derive from the Hebrew word for “Sion” [# 7865, siyon] referring to Mt. Hermon, but is derived from the Hebrew word for “Zion” [#6726, tsiyown] referring to Mt. Zion in Jerusalem.

      Romans 11:26
      KJV – And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
      #4622  Sion {see-own’}of Hebrew origin 
6726; TDNT – 7:292,1028; n pr loc AV – Sion 7; 7 Sion or Zion = “a parched place” 1) the hill on which the higher and more ancient part of Jerusalem was built 1a) the southwestern most and highest of the hills on which the city was built 2) often used of the entire city of Jerusalem 3) since Jerusalem because the temple stood there, was called the dwelling place of God
      • These mistranslations in the KJV [ZionàSion] will allow for the Priory of Sion to exalt Mount Hermon in Dan, instead of Mount Zion in Jerusalem, as the place where God dwelt, i.e., Lucifer who dwells in Mount Sion.

      Psalm 48:2
      KJV – Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
      Septuagint – The city of the great King is well planted on the mountains of Sion, with the joy of the whole earth, on the sides of the north.
      Isaiah 14:13
      KJV – How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
      Septuagint – …I will sit on a lofty mount on the lofty mountains towards the north.

      • Those who belong to Jesus Christ will look for Him at Mount Zion in Jerusalem, rather than Mount Hermon in Dan.

      But ye are come unto mount Sion*, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, – Heb. 12:22-24
      And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion*, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. – Rev. 14:1  
      *In the New Testament, the Greek word “Sion” [#4622] derives from the Hebrew word for “Zion” [# 6726] referring to Mt. Zion in Jerusalem.
      There will be a pagan Temple of Solomon built on Mt. Hermon/Sion in the northern region of Dan.

      • Hi Abigail

        So what do you think will happen? The antichrist will build his own temple on Mt Herman, and violate it there, while the Jews wait for Messiah to build one in Jerusalem?

        • Hi Marianne,

          Ahhhh yes!
          Dare I say that there is already talk amongst certain elite to more or less relocate
          The Vatican under another title of course in exactly this area.
          (Freemasons’ true head.)

          Panias is located on the 33rd degree latitude and longitude according to the previously used French Zero Meridian.  The 33rd degree, which is the highest degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, may be an allusion to Mount Hermon.

          And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. – Rev. 13:2
          We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of help, and behold trouble! The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come and have devoured the land and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein. – Jer. 8:15-16
          How art thou fallen from heaven. 0 Lucifer, son of the morning! …for thou hast said in thine heart … I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north… I will be like the most High – Is.14:12:14
          And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain… – Dan.11:45

          That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.- Gen. 6:1-3
          And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. – Num. 13:33  
          “A curious reference in Enoch VI.6, says that…the wicked angels descended on the summit of the mountain and named it Hermon…” 170:372   [“Hermon”]
          “And the angels, the children of heaven, saw them [handsome and beautiful daughters] and desired them… And they were altogether two hundred; and they descended into Ardos, which is the summit of Hermon. And they called the mount Armon, for they swore and bound one another by a curse.” 251:15   [I Enoch VI.6, vs.1-5]
          “Hittite and biblical records support the use of Hermon as a dwelling place of gods…Baal-gad…and Baal-hermon…” 252:158   [“Hermon, Mount”]
          “Throughout history, the idea of ‘The Watchers’ have been found in Sumeria, Peru, Egypt, Mesopotamia and Greece. 
    “Sumerian texts repeatedly state that the Anunnaki came to Earth. The Anunnaki were four great Gods who created man: An [‘Sky’, the source of rain and most powerful of the gods]; Enlil [‘Lord Wind’, the power in ‘Growing Weather’]; Ninhursaga [‘Lady of the Stony Ground’, mother of wildlife]; and Enki [rival of Ninhursaga]. The term ‘Anunnaki’ literally means ‘from or of the sky.’ The Annunaki are regarded by some as the Sumerian ‘fates’. 
    ‘They are spoken of in the Bible as the ‘Anakim’ and ‘Anak’ or ‘Nefilim’ (nephilum). ‘Nefilim’ (nephilum) in Hebrew means ‘giants’ or ‘those who have fallen’. For reference I offer: The King James Bible; Young’s Literal translation; HSV (Hebrew Names version); ASV (American Standard version) and RSV (Revised Standard version). Numbers 13:22, 28 & 33; Deu 1:28, 9:2…
    “The Watchers were a specific race of divine beings known in Hebrew as ‘nun resh ayin’ or ‘irin’ meaning ‘those who watch’ or ‘those who are awake’, which is translated into Greek as Egrhgoroi egregoris or grigori, meaning ‘watchers’. The early books of the Bible speak of some vague heavenly beings called malochim (singular, malach). Although malach is usually translated ‘angel’, its literal meaning is ‘messenger.’ 
    “As recounted in the Dead Sea Scrolls: ‘…..In the days of Jared’, two hundred Watchers ‘descended’ on ‘Ardis’, the summit of Mount Hermon – a mythical location equated with the triple peak of Jebel esh Sheikh (9,200 feet), placed in the most northerly region of ancient Palestine. On this mountain the Watchers swear an oath and bind themselves by ‘mutual imprecations’, apparently knowing full well the consequences their actions will have both for themselves and for humanity as a whole. It is a pact commemorated in the name given to the place of their ‘fall’, for in Hebrew the word Hermon, or harem, translates as ‘curse’.” – 859

          • After the Flood, Mount Hermon was still the center of Baal/Pan worship which involved human sacrifice.
          “The town of Paneas is first mentioned by a Roman historian, Polivius, as a site of the battle in 200 B.C.E. between Egyptian Ptolemid and Syrian Seleucid Greeks. It was a site of a Greek pagan temple dedicated to Pan, a goat-footed god of music and goatherds.” – 327
          “The cave, known as the cave of Pan, was considered the dwelling place of Pan.” – 328
          “Sign of Grotto of Pan”
          “The abode of the Shepherd God.  It was a pagan cult which began as early as the third century before Christ. Ritual sacrifices were cast into a natural abyss reaching the underground waters at the back of the cave. If the victims disappeared in the water, it was a sign that the god had accepted the offering. If, however, signs of blood appeared in the nearby spring, the sacrifice had been rejected.” – 1110
          “For centuries before Abraham’s time the mountain [Hermon] had been venerated in connection with Baal. Baal worship was the leading religion of Canaan. On most of the high peaks of the country were shrines known as ‘high places’ – the higher the holier. Here groves were planted and shrines erected for worship. Since Mount Hermon towered above all other mountains in the region, it was the chief high place, the shrine of shrines. Canaanites looked to Mount Hermon as Moslems face Mecca when they pray.” – 474:1777
          “It is remarkable that Hermon was anciently encompassed by a circle of temples, all facing the summit.” – 1120:209 (“Hermon”)

          • The Cave of Pan was known as the passageway to Hades/Hell.

          “The Cave of Pan, which dominates the foot of Mount Hermon at Banias, was known as the passageway to Hades (Mt. 16:13-18).” – 329
          “When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
          “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” – Matt. 16:13-18

          • Please note that the Peter they now have the ‘bones’ of in Rome
            is the other Simon in the book of acts which wanted to buy The Power of The Holy Spirit.
            This Simon was a sorcerer.
            And that statue of him that people flock to is that Sorcerer,
            yet people kiss the big toe of this terrible statue thinking in their ignorance that this is a representation of the Apostle Peter.

          • hi abigail

            the 2 zions would make a good bible study ….would you like to author a post on my site? I would edit it to fit the usual length of my posts….I would also let you see any changes before I published it.

            • Hi Marianne,

              You are much better at writing than I. Since english is my second language, I hope YOU post something on
              the 2 Zions.
              It is a good thing to educate people as much as possible, which you do very well.
              Thank you for an opportunity to participate.

  29. Hi Abigail,

    I find your thoughts and study very interresting, yet at the same time, I need to point out some fundamental errors, not to rebutt what you are proposing, but to correct your foundational premise, as this might even help you to “discover more thruth’ on this issue. (as a false premise, will always end up in a erroneous conclussion) So bear with me as we look at some of the things you have proposed.

    The U.N Dissengagement observer Force,(undof) is located,(as you have correctly pointed out) on Mount Hermon. and when checking out co-ordinants of mount Hermon,on my “Google Earth” the other day, it did not dawn on me until I read your comment today, that the French had their “own time” (Huere Legalè) and U.T.(universal time) So I checked out the “prime merridian” to the center of Paris, and it is 2 degrees and 20-22 minutes “east” of Greenwich.
    which indicates that it is conceivable that 33deg.33min. wold be somewhere in the “mount Hermon” locale, and “kudos to you” good observation.

    Now to the parts that do not pass scrutiny;
    The KJV never ever followed the “Septuaginta”, as the puritans in 1604 had all manuscripts available that we have today.(we have found more copies, Yes, but no New Wording ! )
    And those puritans discarded the septuagint as Fraudulent !
    The Septuagint is the work of Origen and 69 other scholars in Alexandria, Egypt, and was part of the “Hexapla”, in 250 A.D.
    It contains about 70% of the “Aquilla”,(Ca. 130 A.D.) and about 30% of the “Theodotan”,(Ca.190 A.D.)

    I do not know what reference to ‘preface to the kJV’, and supposedly the Septuagint you are refering to, as none of my KJV’s have any such mention.

    I never use the Strongs concordance, as it is heavily influenced by the “post modernist agenda” (and Zionist controlled) as well as the fact that their reference to the “masoretic text” is not the “Ben Cajjim” text, but the “lenningrad” Ben Asher text, which was the text used by Van Soden,(another zionist) in the amalgemation of the “Wescott/Hort” fraud,(today refered to as N26/27 ) which fraudulent work of Van Soden, about 50 years later, became the foundation for the “New King James Bible” (another fraudulent text) by the two scoundrels Hodges/Farstad.
    (Farstad is deceased, and burning in Hell, in my opinion, and that is also where Hodges is destined, for tampering with God’s Holy Word, that is forever settled in Heaven)

    Your mention of “mistranslation” concerning the KJV and the word ‘Sion”, is incorrect. There are no “mistranslations” in the KJV. Only what seems that way , as the usage of English in 1600 was at it’s apex, and words had very speciffic meaning. The unabridged Oxford dictionary has every word and it’s dating, so it is perfectly possible to find the spaciffic meaning, with a little effort.
    The word Sion and Zion is interchangeable in the Old testament, and in the New Testament is always used as ‘Sion’ referring to Zion, the city of David,(earthly) and the city of God.(heavenly)

    As for Ps.65:1, it clearly refers to Jerusalem, even if spelled ‘Sion’, as is clear from verse 4, referring to “God’s Holy Temple”, thus implying Jerusalem.

    You suggest that the pagan “Temple of Solomon” will be built on mount Hermon. If by this you are suggesting, that it is the place where the “daily sacrifices will be instigated” as prophesied concerning the “confirming of the covenant”, (Dan9:27) and subsequent causing of the “sacrifices to cease”, and the setting up of “the abomination of desolation”, then that is an erroneous position in my opinion.
    As Christ in Mt.24:15, declares the “abomination of Desolation” as spoken of by Daniel, to stand in the “Holy Place”.
    Do you supose that Christ would call a pagan Temple, on mount Hermon, a “Holy Place” ? (I think Not) It seems evident, that this must refer to the Temple in Jerusalem.

    In your second post, you mention the Vatican as the “true head” of Masonry. This is Not correct. As Masonry is a kabbalistic religion, (and controled by the Zionist’s.)
    There are a total of 37, 33 degree lodges in the world, that control all paolitics. Two of them are here in the U.S. (the St. Charles Lodge in Boston, which was the Original Lodge) and the Lodge designed and built in Charleston, South Carolina, after the war of 1812, in which it was decided to split this country into two countries,(which did not happen) but gave us the civil war.

    The Zionist’s also own and rule the Catholic Church, and have ever since Nathan or Calman Rothschild,(I forget which one) had the Vatican so in debt back in the mid 1800’s, that He demanded the Pope invite him to dinner, and feed him Kosher”. (For the longest while, the Popes have been Jews, but have hidden their ethnicity, by taking Gentile names)

    Rev.13:2, is an explanation of Dan.7:1-7, and concerns 6 “end-time” nations under the Zionist controled U.N. that will be part of the antichrist “coalition”, which the Bible describes as the revived “Grecian Empire”, namely Brittain,(lion) Russia,(bear) and the four major federated oil producing “Arabic nations”, (as the four headed Leopard) who all become part of the Zionist’s universal “fourth beast”. ( just think about the Industrial era
    after the civil war, “Iron” locomotives, that run on millions of miles of “iron” tracks, later on “iron” ships,that now transport all the worlds materials, then the “automobile” made of “metal” and then airplanes, made of “Metal”. then the “iron” gun, and handgun, then “Iron” canons, and now today, all military weaponry and hardware is of some kind of “metal”
    Next, who owned and controled all of this ? (we used to refer to them as “robber barons”) Why, they were all Jewish! And eventually Zionists!

    This is the “fourth beast” of metal with “great Iron teeth” Dan7:7, that will be ‘made up’ of the other three beasts.
    (6 nations)

    I have for almost 45 years now advocated that “Gog” spoken of in Ezek.38 and 39, is the personal Antichrist,(and the same person as the King of the North, in the latter part of Dan.11.) and he will be “turned Back” to the “mountains of Israel”, (where He came from in the first place) in my refuting the fraudulent “Gog is Russia” theory. It is interresting to see how mount Hermon actually might tie into this very fact.

    Lastly, let me make a comment on your third post about Peter.
    I do not know whose bones they have at the Vatican. But I do know, that they are Not the bones of the apostle Peter. As Peter never went to Rome !
    After Peter’s miraculous Jailbreak, He was fugitive number one in the Roman Empire, and he fled to Asia minor, and later, after ministering to Cornelius’s household, came back secretly to Jerusalem,(Acts.11) and then fled to Babylon, and lived out his days in Babylon, from where he wrote both his ‘epistles’.
    He died in Babylon an old man, and was never “crucified upside down” as falsely claimed by Catholic “historians”.


    • Dear Morgan,

      After the feast of Unleavened Bread last month, The Lord asked me: ‘What ails you?’
      I must confess that all the tampering with The Holy Word of God does
      vex me greatly. I do not use any of the modern translations especially not the one translated by the jesuits (douay).
      The only foundation in writing that a person can rely upon, even that has been modified and twisted and entire chapters wiped out etc…
      This does break my heart!! And angers me deeply!

      Until a few months ago I had no idea that Luciferians existed. And it is The Holy Spirit that led me to search this out.
      I actually started with the dictionary and soon was reading Albert Pike.
      Here is what I have Found

      Pike’s right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and spiritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy (1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860. Together with Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree Mason), Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together.
      Albert Pike died on April 2, 1891, and was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, although the corpse of Pike currently lies in the headquarters of the Council of the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Washington, D.C. 
      “The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”
      “The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.
      “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”
      Now as for the vatican, it is the Luciferians who rules, The U.N., the Club of Rome, and on and on it goes …
      That the masks that everyone wears be removed, I think we would see only two kinds ‘ the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman’
      The kingdoms of the world in Daniel starts with Babylon and ends with Babylon.
      So it is very hard to avoid it since it has always covered the entire globe.
      Called by different names like the persian empire or the grecian empire or the roman empire with all of its’ attributes it is still the body of Babylon!

  30. Very Correct, Abigail. I studied Albert Pike over 36 years ago, and when reading “Morals and Dogma”, had to put it down very often and “fill myself” with the Word of God, as that ‘Satanic garbage’ was getting to my spirit.
    Albert Pike wrote 16 or 17 of the 33 degrees in Scottish rite masonry, and he spoke 19 diferent languages, including “ancient Egyptian”. (he was definitely demonic)

    Incidently, the “Illuminati”, which was founded by Adam Weishaupt
    (a Jew) and funded by the Rothschilds, is the “governing body” over all the masonic orders,(that is; the ‘ultimate thirteen’ inside the Illuminati) including Scottish rite, York rite, Rosicrucians, Knight Templars, order of Malta, the Jessuit’s,
    (under the ‘Black pope’) etc. etc.
    Wescott and Hort, were hobnobbing with Madame Blavatski, and other Luciferian characters of their day, and this is the evil that is explained in Ezekiel chapter 8. (all masonic)
    And all of this is controlled by the “Zionist’s” today, who will with their U.N., bring about the Antichrist and world Government for a total of seven years, until the Messiah comes back, to rule and reign in righteousness.
    Abigail you said to Marianne, English is your Second language.
    What is your first language ? (if you do not mind me asking)
    Also, have you had a look at my website yet ? My book “None Dare Call It Deception” deals with much of the political and prophetic, as well as the first resurrection and it’s seven different “orders”. If you click on my name in the box below, my website will come up. (thank you Marianne)


    • Hi Morgan

      You are welcome. This is a free forum for people to post their ideas and websites, for dialogue, and further communication between like minded people. Looks like you found a kindred spirit.

  31. Hi Morgan,

    You have just named me ‘Rosicrucians, knights Templar and Jesuits’ whom I know without shadow are and were all instituted by the vatican.
    What is surprising to me is that after reading Pikes’ Morals and Dogma, is you still claim that the Zionist are behind this deception.
    Now I am not saying this to be attacking you but I certainly find that incredible!
    Tell me how and WHY would the Zionists prepare to defeat themselves?

    Have you ever heard of Dr. Walter Veith?

    Yes I have visited your site. And I have read and agree with a lot of your writings.
    Another question, please tell me what denomination you serve.
    Would it be R.C. by any chance?

    As for my native language I prefer to keep that to myself.

    Astounding, you make mention of the black pope and yet you discard it as nothing,
    only to pursue against Zionists. Why??

  32. Hi Abigail,

    Yes the Knigts Templars were originally instituted by the Vatican, and also the Jesuits,(founded by Loyola) but not the Rosicrucians, who began independantly, and were later “adopted” into the Catholic “esoteric orders”. but what you have to realize, is that after the rosicrucian “revival” in the early 17th century, all these different “secret orders” of “enlightenment” were incorporated into the “masonic system” of control, which is controlled by the Rothschilds. (you need to read the “secret protocols of the Zionists”)
    Also, if you could find a copy of Kaiser Wilhelms memoirs, you will find evidence that he (who was a 30th degree mason) on discovering after his men “uncovered” documents from a “masonic lodge” on the Swiss/ Austrian border,(in which it was declared in 1917 , by Rothschild in this secret meeting, that the Kaiser would loose the war) that he(the Kaiser) was Not the ruler of Germany.
    This “web of deceit” is interwoven ito all these systems, and ultimately under the control of the “ultimate thirteen” of the Illuminati. The Vatican is under the control of the Zionists, and there are several places where this information ia available, such as Jeff Rense, Texe Marrs, Power of prophecy, etc.etc.

    The Zionists are masters of deceit and “disinformation”. For example the second world war, was a “colaboration” between the Dutch, English, German, French, Belgian, Swiss, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Polish, Russian, Italian, Japanese, etc. (as major players) and all financed by the Jewish banking houses) to
    Bring about “saucer” technology, “rocket” technology, constructing, and testing the atomic bomb on live humans in Japan, experimenting with human cloning, reconstructing existing borders, destabilizing ecconomies, and “pulling off” the “Jewish holocaust”, while blaming it on the “Germans”, when in fact it was the the Rothschilds,and even Ben Gurion,(the first leader of Israel in 1948) who instigated, managed,and money’ed these atrocities.
    The Zionists are not “defeating themselves”, they are furthering their cause by leaps and bounds, with “disinformation”.

    Dr. Walter Veith ? Never heard of him until you mentioned him, but I looked him up on the internet, and the first thing I came across connected with his name, was “amazing discoveries”, which is an SDA sponsored program, which I came across in 1995.
    So emmediatly I was aware that he is part of the “seventh day adventist” cult. I have been in ministry in South Africa for many years, and I was aproached by a “high up” SDA by the name Dr. Koster, as I had become known for my Biblical knowledge, as well as my fame as an “organist”.(some of which you can hear on my website) Well, after about 7 hours of “discussion”, I had him “Tied up” regarding the Sabbath and several other issues, and I guess he realized, I was not going to fall for their false doctrine, so he gave up on trying to “convert” me over to SDA.
    I have for the past 8-9 months been involved in another forum with a Seventh Day Adventist, and although I cannot ever convince him,(as he turns every scripture on it’s head) I have been able to find out some things about the SDA, that are very disturbing.
    For example; the “head theologian” at the Maryland Headquarters,
    (a Zionist Jew) by the name Clifford Goldstein, has commented that he thinks Christ would approve of an “Honest” homosexual committed relationship.
    Such filth tells you what is happening inside these denomintions, and who controls them. You ask me what affiliation I am ? Well I broke with them over 20 years ago, but I was affiliated with the Assemblies of God, a “tri-une” Pentecostal denomination,(not to be misconstrued with the “Jesus only” cults of UPC, or Apostolics)
    I am Armenian in theology, and Wesley’an in Doctrine. And No I would Never belong to the “apostate “Roman Catholic” cult.

    Concerning the “Black Pope”, It is no big deal, as a new one gets “voted in” every four years, and he is under the “command” of the Rothschilds, and the Illuminati anyway. (He does wear a masonic ring, with a compass and a square, and he does head up the “militant arm” of the Catholic Church, so what ? )

    Well, I guess that covers all the questions. Hope you are not disapointed.


    • The headquarters of the illuminati is the Vatican.
      The body of the illuminati is the Vatican.
      The beast in the word of The Lord is the Vatican. (Rome)

      I am not disappointed, but you are deceived.
      Nowadays whether it is the Assemblies of God Pentecostal world wide churches,
      or whether it is Baptist or any other Protestant churches they are all arms of Rome.
      Or children of the whore, if you wish.
      And Morgan you are playing in their territory by accusing All Zionist Jews of being
      masters of deception.
      The true masters are so smart at their craft as to point their hatred again at the Jews.
      Here I will give you a reliable link
      for you to undo your brainwashing.
      I will pray for you, Morgan.

      Also although you may disagree with the seventh day adventists and I do as well on many issues, look up on Youtube Dr. Walter Veith Islam and Catholic connection.
      You may be surprised here as well to find just how crooked the serpent truly is.

      I thank you sincerely for your time at responding with me.
      I perceive you to be a man of intelligence, so if I might have raised at least a small doubt in your mind then my time as well was fruitful.

  33. Wow! Abigail,

    You act like an “attack dog”. You have demonstrated “irrational behaviour” in this discussion, solely on the basis of my disagree-ing with you ? That is incredible !
    No I am Not deceived ! (Mamma raised No fool)

    You are seriously mistaken about me and what I know. suffice it to be said, that if I was the proverbial university professor, then “your chum” Walter Veith, would by comparison be in 4th grade.
    No, the Illuminati is not headquarterd in the Vatican, as the Illuminati is presently Headquartered in London, England.
    Why don’t you go to this site, and “educate yourself” a little.

    And while you are busy learning “about zionism” go to this page as well;

    And when you have gotten some knowledge,(and respect) you can come back and appologize.

    No, the beast in Revelation 13, is Not Rome, or the Vatican.
    The Bible describes it as the “ancients of Zion” Ezek.8:1-18, controlling the revived Grecian empire, and this takes place in the “latter days” as the very next chapter (9) from verse 1-6 dicusses the “sealing of the 144,000”, which takes place in the tribulation period.
    And in Ezek. 11:1-13, God says to these “zionist Jews” that he is going to kill them.(verse 11 says in the “borders of Israel”)

    No, the A.G church is not the “arm of Rome”, it might be under “masonic rule”, and “Zionist control”, but it is not under Rome.

    I am sorry, but I am not interrested in the “link” you provided, as it is obviously part of the ongoing disinformation campaign.

    I am “old School” and although you have anoyed me with your obvious lack of respect, I shall not derile you. But let me say this, if you are married, I pity your husband !

    Morgan Sorensen.

    • Morgan

      You can discuss and disagree, but you have to be nice to Abigail. 🙂

      You both just happen to be intense people.

      • Sorry Marianne,

        But this womans disrespect is so obvious in calling me “deceived”,when it is clear that her facts are all messed up. I am not going to respond to her last “tyrade”. It seems obvious that she is Jewish, and that is what struck a nerve with her, as she cannot handle the truth.
        If she would just take time to look at the links I posted, she will get a real insight into historical fact, that will shock her into reality.
        By the way, Ezek.8:1-18, does concern the Jewish Zionists, as does Ezek.11:1-13, that’s clear from the context, she does not have to take my word for it.



  34. Abigail,

    Here are the sites again: (

    and, (

    Morgan Sorensen

    • Against who have you exalted your voice?
      Who is it that you reproach and blaspheme??
      Who do you call a dog?

      You have chosen the book of Ezekiel, the Holy Prophet of The Lord
      to make a case against Zion …
      Ezekiel not once mentions Zion!!
      Yes you are deceived!

      And your hatred drips like venom
      upon every word you write.

      God is not a murderer!
      And The Lord is not an imposter.

      Oba 1:21
      And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD’S.
      Mal 1:2
      I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
      Mal 1:3
      And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

      Is not your hatred of Zion, your hatred of The LORD?
      Because Zion belongs to The Lord and has not been given to you to judge.

      Are you going to tell God whom He should love?

      When I began this discussion with you, I had said in my heart, ‘surely a man with such political/economy knowledge has missed the fact that there is a Sion/Hermon on the northern borders of Israel, that is an abomination to The Lord. So I will bring this to his attention, because if this man seeks the truth he just simply has missed out on this important geological fact.’
      And also I had thought in my heart surely if this man loves The Lord, he would not exalts himself nor his intellectual knowledge against the Holy Zion of The Lord.
      I was wrong. Your knowledge is puffed up.

      And here I may add, that not once in my discourse was I rude to you.
      Nor was I personal with you.
      Dr. Veith is a classy professor and you Morgan do not hold a candle to him.

      • Abigail,

        You say I cannot “hold a Candle” to Walter Veith ? How would you know ? Have you ever attended any of my seminars ? (You might be very surprised)
        Oh, I get it, this is one more of your “expert opinions”, right ?

        By the way, I listened to part of a couple presentations of your “Guru” Walter Veith, and he is a “nut case”. Besides, his phd is in “Zoo-olgy”,
        (no wonder he has such an “animal attraction” on you)
        That explains why he is so confused about Christianity,(having been trained in something other, than Bilbe doctrine) as it is clear by his affiliation of the SDA cult, that he misinterprets and misrepresents the scriptures, to “fit in” with his “distorted belief system”.

        Morgan Sorensen

        • Excuse me for butting in here but if you are in the right and can prove it with scriptures then there is no need to resort to personal insults and attacks. That only proves that you have lost the argument.

          Before you turn and attack me, Morgan, just to let you know that I agree with you regarding Walter Veith. Since he is a cultist I wouldn’t consider anything that he has to say. The Devil can give you 98% truth mixed in with 2% deception but it still is a deception nevertheless.

          I have my own insights to post here regarding Zionism a little later.

          Other than that. I disagree with some things that Abigail says also but I don’t see the reason to get personal about it.

          I also disagree with some of what you promote such as the denial of the rapture, tithing, marital purity laws, KJV onlyism, etc.

          If what you say is true then you should be able to support it with scripture, period.

          • Contender,

            I usually do not resort to “personal attacks”. But the blatant disrespect awarded me, by Abigail, prompted me to respond in this manner.

            As to your mention about my “denial” of the Rapture, Tithing, marital purity laws, KJV only-ism. I am afraid I do not undertsand. As I believe in the Biblical “seven orders of teh first resurrection” and my Book; “None Dare Call It Deception”, is an irrefutable treatise, (that proves the “pre-trib” theory to be a fraud) but the Bilbical resurrection I do believe in.

            As for tithing, I believe in it.

            Marital purity laws, are brought into the N.T. by Peter, and I believe in them.

            The “Dietary law” is brought into the N.T. by Paul, and I have kept those from my youth.

            As for the KJV, it can be proven without a doubt, that it is the only book in the English language, That uses the “Ben Cajjim” Masoretic Hebrew text, for the O.T, and the Majority text “common Greek” text, for the N.T.
            All other books called a Bible, in the English language today, use the fraudulent “septuagint” greek from “Origen’s Hexapla” ca.250 A.D. for the O.T. and the “Eusebio”(330 A.D.) and /Westcott/Hort (1861-1881 revision) “classical Greek text N.T. (It is not only about scholarship, but source)

            The spiritual things I present, I can, and do support with scripture. Check out my website. (click on my name in the box below) And get yourself a copy of my book !

            Morgan Sorensen

  35. Everyone

    Discussion here is ok…..but NO hate speech…….!!!

  36. Jesus Never Existed and the Christians stole their MUMBO-JUMBO from the Jews,the Jews stole ALL their religious MUMBO-JUMBO from the Babylonians AND THEY STOLE IT FROM ME!!!!!!!!(the thieving bastards)P.S For all the fools waiting for their MESSIAH to return playing the BLONDIE song”rapture”..(when the Babylonians stole my religious dogma manual they couldn’t read all the words handwriting is atrocious,sorry,omnipotence has it’s limitations dont you know) i should just tell you now that i can’t be bothered with a second coming and i think that i’ll hit the holy(that one cracks me up every time) land with an asteroid in 2012.Until then keep bringing me Foreskins to eat(mmmmm!!!they taste just like crispy bacon)and i hope you find a cure for your religious VIRUS soon.

    • hi IAMWHOIAM

      It is always refreshing to hear what an unbeliever might say. I never know what you guys will say next. At least you are funny.

  37. Yeah…right, IamwhoIam… Sorry, your words does not hold up any because sound like you are rather arrogant and mocking God.. May God have mercy on you … I simply will pray for you.. Blessings.

    • Tamera,

      You make the same mistake that many believers make and that is ‘praying for heathens’!
      Heathens have despised your God and blaspheme His most Holy Name.
      The Lord prayed to His Father for His Disciples and while in prayer this is what He prayed …
      Jhn 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

      You are to pray for ‘your brother’ … your brother in Christ.
      That means you are to pray for a believer.
      But you are not to pray for one who despises God.
      Read carefully what the above blogger (to which you’ve responded) wrote and see how full of venom and blasphemies
      his composition is!!
      He is and he has condemned himself!!
      You are not to pray for him!!

    • Tamera …
      Think of goliath and how he was insulting the Lord God and His people.
      David did not pray for goliath … rather he took a stone from five and pierced his forehead!
      Then David took the giant’s sword and severed his head from his body.
      I am not saying that this is what we should do in a physical sense but …
      in a spiritual sense yes.
      Pray rather that God gives you discernment so you may answer your enemy.

  38. *smile at Abigail* Eh, true… God knows my heart… hope… hope that those would have a change of heart one way or other… Can’t I hope at least ?
    Remember one small thing about me… I cannot speak like you unless my temper unleashes.. Unfortunely, tonight seems isn’t my night… 😦 My mind was too full of preparing prayer night to God and avoiding any anger or such in my heart so it stays pure for prayer… My apologies.
    Again, thank you for the reminder.. sometimes, I forget.
    Blessings, Abigail.

  39. *Cringed* Uh-oh… God just got me to get the bible and pinpoint me to one thing… here it says:
    Proverbs 6:15-19
    “There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him:
    haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that hurry to run to evil,
    a lying witness who testifies falsely, and one who sows discord in a family.”

    ——For IAMWHOIAM ——

    ” The face of the LORD is against evildoers, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
    When the righteous cry for help, the LORD hears, and rescues them from all their troubles.
    The LORD is near to the brokenhearted, and saves the crushed in spirit.
    Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the LORD rescues them from them all.
    He keeps all their bones; not one of them will be broken.
    Evil brings death to the wicked, and those who hate the righteous will be condemned.
    The LORD redeems the life of this servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned. ”

    That is the message. Good night. 🙂 Blessings.

  40. jews are stupte and bad people and ware god say that in the Qran that they will go to hell

  41. Can you explain this verse?
    “Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole House of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’” (Ez. 37: 11-14)

    • dear Humpty Dumpty

      That verse prophesies the rebirth of Israel after being considered “dead” for thousands of years.

      There has always been a remnant. This precedes the Ezechiel war of chapters 37 and 38 after the state of Israel is established.

      They have to return to the homeland, before this battle occurs. In this war, God establishes Israel once again as His and he as the protector of the land.

  42. war of words. the real problem is not how u are right over the jews based on your bible because the bible can be interpreted in many different ways. your interpretations however will not help the palestinians, who are muslims if you didnt know, who are under israel’s unlawful tyranny. those children are dying and you defend a textbook?? search rachel corrie, she did not sit around behind a computer interpreting bibles and torahs or qurans. those people need their homes back and those illegal settlements and blockades are creating genocide. that pic is not odd at all, religion cannot go against its own teaching. and putting religion aside, that jew is hugging a tyrant of iran who murders his own people. search neda and you will see. and for everyone’s information, all these wars you are complaining about, they are not caused by stupid people, they are caused by ideology and brainwashing that only religion can bring. so dont think u are not part of this perpetuating the divisiveness between peoples because if you look harder THAT is the root cause of evil. this is why so many people in these posts are very disappointed in you and its not so much as what u post, but what your website truly represents beyond its intentions whatever it may be i can no longer say, based on what you’ve been posting here, issues that are defensive and divisive in nature. if it were to praise your god fine, but to post world issues to mesh or adapt to your biblical stance is not just ridiculous but an insult to the real issues the palestinians are facing. marianne i’d like to see you in person, pls post a pic of yourself or a video and show us who you really are. this website makes me sick to my stomach. is it possible for u to rethink the purpose of this website and how it contributes to the palestinians? and how do u yourself even learn from any of this when you use the bible as your logic? you might as well put up a christian charity instead of a ‘discussion’ board that is not much of a discussion but a personal hate tyrade by your personal beliefs! and by the way, israel is a state and judaism is a religion, people just stop putting the 2 together.

    • dear xxtian

      The area has never belonged to those who call themselves Palestinians. They take their name from the land. The land does not take its name from them.

      They are refugees from other Arab lands, who relocated to Israel about the same time that the Jews were moving back there.

      It has never been under a Palestinian rule or government, that it should be restored.

      The Ottomans had it before the British, who then turned it over to the Jews. So, officially, ALL the land belongs to the Jews, and the Muslim Palestinians are just occupants or immigrants there.

      Jews should not have to give up their lands and neighborhood for these people.

      However, they have been more than gracious, and have provided food, jobs, and medical services to these people .

      Jews hold no hatred for them, but the Palestinians hold hatred for everyone else. The Palestinians are illiterate, ignorant people who have been brainwashed into terrorism by corrupt Muslim leadership such as Fatah and HAMAS.

      • Marianne,
        Why do you like the Jews that much?! Are you originally Jewish? there is no fear to confess my friend.
        The Jews had essential role on killing Jesus.
        I have no issues toward this or that but the Zionists are really the ones making all the troubles around and fooling everybody.
        Between, which terrorism you are talking about?! this term even does not exist in our language, it was created by America and Zionism. CNN, BBC and lots of newspapers keep mentioning the word “terrorist” and mapping it to a picture of an arab! that is so stupid my friend.
        You should come to Middle East and you will experience the real peace here. All the conflicts and clashes being seen in TV are in certain places in the region and you know that the US and Zionism are BOTH behind it.
        The Palestinians are highly educated and much more than you can imagine.

  43. I’m always apoligizing and saying that I can’t write, so I post a video. Let’s let the Palistinians speak for themselves. This is a spiritual war going on between God and Satan and there will be no peace until Jesus Christ comes again.

    • 1. the Palestinians are occupying Israeli land, not the other way around. The land is legally Israeli. The Palestinians never purchased, owned, or developed the land.

      2. He explains the brutality of HAMAS. Israelis do not torture, but HAMAS does.

  44. Husayn;
    Here’s an awesome testimony of a former muslim from Iran:

  45. Marianne, The Zionists of Israel are not of the “City of Zion” spoken in the Bible if that’s where you’re coming from. Zionism is the illegimate daughter of Israel and a thorn in the side of God. Kitti is right: the war continues between YahShVeh and The Adversary – the Fallen One not Satan. You forget & those occupying the Middle East forget – they are brothers & sisters. You will find the majority of Palestinians and Israelites simply wish to live in peace. It is the Zionists & the Islamic Fundamentalists that further the cause of war. If they cannot get their act together soon, Divine Justice is inevitable –

    Marianne, If you wish to use the “Word of God” then look for balance & harmony in your posts & understand who the real enemy is. Strive to see teh Biggest possible picture and add peace, love & understanding to the world. Time is running out.

    • Ariel

      This is the definition of zionism. There is nothing wrong with it.

      Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is primarily a nationalist[1] Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.[2] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to 1) non-political, Cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha’am; and 2) political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as e.g. in Christian Zionism.

      By this definition, God is a Zionist.

      The Israelis have not started any wars. They have been attacked incessantly by their arab neighbors since before 1948.

      The majority of Palestinians want to wipe Israel off the map and drive it into the sea. They believe Israel has no right to exist.

      Condemning and trying to destroy Israel is not an act of peace.

      The real enemy is Satan, and those who listen to him.

  46. I cxan not belive what I see. It is like a Jew kissing Adolf Hitler. I want to think that this jew has been forced to do this. What a rat is this amadinijad. yuckkkk

  47. Marianne;
    Why don’t you tell Nina that Amadinijad has Jewish Roots like I documented over on

    and that there are 24,000 Iranian Jews who live in Iran and are perfectly happy lving there and don’t want to move to Israel like I documented over on:

    This video says there 70,000 Jews in Iran.

  48. I don’t think it’s Arab propaganda that there are some Jews who prefer to live in Iran instead of Irsael. There are many examples of Jews making Aliyah from other Arab Countries and Idrael helping them. The Iranian ones don’t want to make Aliyah.

    What do you think was going on in the days of th book of Esther? The Jews were free to go back to Israel, but preferred to live on in Persia/Iran.

    Look what I ran across!!!!!!!!!! Someone has finally made a Anti-Neturei Karta blog and it putting videos to show they don’t represent all of Judaism. It’s about time. Just because they wear the Garb doesn’t mean they speak for everyone in Jewry. I think this is such an interesting phenomenon.

  49. You think you’ve seen it all. I guess not.

    Frumka = Jewish Burka
    Have you ever heard of a “frumka” before?
    Some say the Jewish burka is the new fashion in Israel. Others see it a sign of repression. It sounds to me like it’s just one woman taking her beliefs a bit to extremes and others are eagerly following her example.

    The frumka: Orthodox women find religion
    By Ami Eden · February 8, 2008

    Flash90Miriam Shaviv, of London’s Jewish Chronicle, offers her take on a growing trend:

    In the past few months, reports have emerged of more than 100 Orthodox Israelis who have taken to wearing a Muslim-style burka, in the belief this will bring about redemption. They can be seen in Orthodox areas of Tiberias, Safed and even Jerusalem, and are mostly followers of Rabbanit Bruria Keren, a mother of 10 from Ramat Beit Shemesh.

    According to the newspaper Ha’aretz, she rarely leaves her home and speaks only for four hours a week to offer “alternative therapy” to her followers.

    Some wear more than 10 layers of clothing, including dark socks, with the ends cut off, over their hands. They never wear heels, lest the noise attracts attention.

  50. I think it might be wise to read our Bibles and open the History books and not listen to the news and the propaganda. This is probably why these Anti-Zionist Jews embarace Ahmadinejad in the picture of this post.

    Purim is coming up. February 18 of this year.

    On the occasion of the 30th Anniversary of The Scribe, we reprint selected articles from previous issues.

    From World Jewry:
    The Review of the World Jewish Congress
    November 1971

    Iranian Jewry Celebrates Cyrus

    Moussa Kermanian

    The Jewish Community in Iran is one of the oldest in the the Diaspora, dating back to the destruction of the First Temple at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar. It has now been the witness of unique and unprecedented celebrations, of fourfold significance to Iranian Jews.

    First of all, Iran is their home and they have shared its joys and sorrows. It is the resting place of their ancestors, and their holy shrines such as tomb of Daniel, Esther and Ezra are located here. Aside from that, parts of the Old Testament have either been written in this land or relate to it.

    Secondly, these celebrations did honour a king who occupies the highest spiritual position in the religious literature of the Jews.

    Cyrus the Great, as it is written in Ezra, c. I and Isaiah, c. 44-45, as well as in the last Chapter of Kings, has been given the titles of Shibban and Messiah by God, which even the prophets do not have.

    Thirdly, from the national and political points of view, the celebrations commemorated the declaration of Human Rights and Liberties by Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Iranian Monarchy.

    It was through this declaration and other decrees that the prisoners of Babylon were not only freed but were encouraged to lay the foundations of the Second Temple.

    Cyrus did not confine his benevolence to this act alone but also ordered that all the gold and silver utensils looted from the First Temple be restored to the Jews and that the people of the Achaemenian lands should not spare any moral and material support to assist the exodus of the Jews, which was carried out in an orderly manner.

    Fourthly, with the arrival of the Jews from Babylon as free men and citizens of the Achaemenian Empire, the Iranian Jews became a community. In fact they are as old as the Persian Empire and as such the celebrations also commemorated the beginning of the Jewish community in Iran.

    In the reign of His Imperial Majesty, the Shahanshah Aryamehr, the present sovereign of Iran, such great magnanimity and humanitarian love has been shown them that the Iranian Jews, like all their compatriots have made considerable progress. In contrast to their neighbouring countries they have been shown extra-ordinary kindness and generosity and it is the sacred duty of the Iranian Jewish society to express its gratitude in the best possible manner.

    Iranian Jewry shared the celebrations without reservations and tried to express its feeling of gratitude and thankfulness in every possible way.

    Among the measures adopted by the Iranian Jewish society through the decisions of a special committee, were the organising of meetings, the decorating and illuminating of all Jewish establishments, such as synagogues and schools, and the holding of prayer and thanksgiving ceremonies.

    For many years ago, the Jewish community had planned to set up establishments such as a hospital and a girl’s secondary school, both of which have now been set up and named after Cyrus the Great, to commemorate the occasion. The Central Committee of Iranian Jewry, or individual members of the community, have set up more than 30 schools throughout the country.

    Perhaps, the most outstanding action for the occasion was the extensive repairs to the Shrine of Esther and Mordchai in the city of Hamadan (Ekbatan), the summer capital of Xerxes, which has attracted Jewish and Christian pilgrims from time immemorial and constitutes one of the most valuable archaeological treasures of Iran. Adjacent to the shrine, a huge garden with new commemorative buildings, chapel and library have been created and the site is today a major tourist attraction. The new facilities are expected to be inaugurated soon in the presence of the dignitaries of the country.

    In the educational field, arrangements have been under way for several years for the publication of a Hebrew-Persian and Persian-Hebrew dictionary by the late Suleiman Haim, the noted Iranian Jewish scholar. The Hebrew-Persian dictionary has already been printed in Jerusalem and the other works were made ready during the last days of his life.

    Cyrus the Great loved the Jews and took a number of positive measures in the cause of justice and righteousness, and that too in the hard and cruel world of his times. The present Monarch of Iran also has spared no effort to show kindness and generosity to the Jews and to bring about international peace and understanding. The traditions of humanitarianism established by Cyrus the Great and the equality of men were one of the first ideas expressed and outlined by the Shahanshah.

    If circumstances had permitted, the joy of the Iranian Jewish community would have reached its peak. In the great gathering of world rulers and leaders on the occasion of the 25th centenary of the Iranian monarchy, the absence of the representatives of the Jewish nation is to be regretted.

    It would appear that if political and other considerations had allowed, the representatives of the nation that was so favoured by Cyrus the Great might have participated in this illustrious gathering as proof of human justice and vivid witness to the glory of that magnificent monarch.


    Dr Nahum Goldmann, President of the World Jewish Congress sent the following message to the Shah of Iran:

    “On behalf of the World Jewish Congress and its member communities and organisations throughout the world, I wish to convey to your Imperial Majesty and to the Iranian people our joyous participation in the celebrations commemorating the founding of the Persian Empire by Cyrus the Great. The Jewish people will always remember his historic act, sanctioning their first return from exile to their homeland. We wish you and your people happiness and prosperity.”


  51. Who was Haman in book of Esther? Was he a Persian?

    Esther 3:1 Stated 4 times in the Book.

    Haman the son of Hammedatha, the Agagite

    Who are the Agagites?

    Nomadic Tribes of “ESSAU”.

    Genesis 36:12 Now tinna was the concubine of Eliphaz, Essaus’s son and she bore Amalek to Eliphaz.

    Exodus 17:8-16

    Ano Amalek came and fought with Israel in Rephidim, And Moses said to Joshua, “choose us some men and go out, fight with Amalek. Tommorrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in my hand. So Joshua did as Moses said to him, and fought with Amaleck, and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill. And so it was,, when Moses helup his hand, that israel prevailed. But Moses hands became heavy; so they took a stone and put it under him, and he sat on it. And Aaron and Hur supported his hands, one on one side, and the other on the other side, and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun. So Joshua defeated the going down of the sun. So Joshua defeated the Amalek, and his people with the edge of the sword.

    Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this for a memmorial in the book and recount in the hearing of Joshua, that I will untterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven. And Moses built and altar and called its name The Lord is My Banner, for he said, “Because the Lord has sworn the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.”

    Deuteronomy 25:17-19

    Remember what Amalek did to you on the way as you were coming out of Egypt, how he met you on the way and attacked your rear ranks, all the strugglers at your rear, when you were tired and weary and he did not fear God. Therefore it shall be, when the Lord your God has given you rest from your enemies all around, in the land which the Lord your God is giving you to posses as an inhertiance you will blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven. You shall not forget.

    Deuteronomy 28:18 Why did God want them to destroy the Amalekites?

    So that there may bnot be among you man or woman or family or tribe, whose heart turens away from the Lord our god, to go and serve the gods of these nations, and there may not among you a root bearing bitternes or wormwood.

    Did the Jews obey God?

    I Samuel 15:1-23

    Samuel also said to Saul. The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people, over israel. Now therfore, hee the voiceof the wordsof the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts. “I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. No go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child ox and sheep camel and donkey.

    So Saul gathered the people together and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousean nem of Judah. And Saul came a city of Amalek and lay in wait in the valley.

    Then Saul said to the Kenites. “Go depart, get down from among the Amalekites let I destroy you with them. For you showed kindness to all the children of Israel when they came up out of Egypt .” So th Kenites departed from, among the Amalekites. And Saul attacked the Amalekites, from Havilah all the way to Shur, which is cast of Egypt. He also took Agag King of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lanbs, and all that was good, and were unwilling to utterly destroy them. but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.

    Now the word of th eLord came to samuel, saying, “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king for he has turned back from following Me and has not performed My commandments. And it grieved samuel, and he cried out to the Lord all night. So when Samuel rose early in the morning to meet Saul, it was told Samuel, saying “Saul went to Carmel, and indeed, he set up a momument for himself and he was gone on around, passed by and gone down to Gilgal. then Samuel went to Saul, and Saul said to him, “Blesse are you of the Lord I have performed the commandment of the Lord. ”

    But Sameul said, “They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and oxed to sacrifice to the Lord your God, and the rest we hav eutterly destroyed.

    Then Samuel said to Saul, “Be quiet? And I will telll you what the Lord said to me last night. And he siad to him, “Speak on.”

    So Samuel “When you were little in your own eyes, were you not head of the tribes of Israel? And idi not the Lord anoint you king over Israel?

    Now the Lord sent you on a mission, and said, “go, and utterly destroy th esinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are sonsumed. Why then did you not obey the voice of the Lord “Why did you swoop down on the spoil and do evil inthe sight of the Lord?

    and Saul said to Samuel, “But I have obeyed the voice of the Lord and gone on the mission on which the Lord sent me andbrought back Agag king of Amlek; I have uttelry destroyed the Amalekites. But the people took of the plunder, sheep and oxen, the best of the things which should have utterly destroyed to sacrifice to the Lord your God in Gilgal.

    So Samuel said:

    Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold to obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed thatn the fat of rams. For rebellion is as te sin of witchcraft and stubborness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord. He also has rejected you from being King.

    Is this one of the reasons the Jews will have a future “Jacob’s Trouble?

    Jeremiah 30:7
    Alas! for that day is great, There is none like ; and it is the the time of Jacob’s distress, But he will be saved from it.

  52. It may not be about Cyrus and the Persians, but it’s about the Anti-Zionist Jews who prefer Iran/Persia to Israel. Does anyone want to understand that? I was totallly shocked to run across the group 2 years ago. I’m still learning about them and their beliefs. I never knew about them, evaen though I’ve been to Israel 4 times and I was told by a secular Israeli, not to take them seriously, because no one does in Israel. These people demonstate all over the World. They are activits and just type in “Anti-Zionist Jews” for anyone who wants to learn more about them. I take them seriously.

  53. There’s freedom in Iran as long as you don’t evangelize. That’s the bottom line. It’s important to differenciate what group of Christians it is. Catholics don’t evangleize. The interviewee admits to it. It’s about Tolerance. You’re born into the religion. It’s not about choice and faith. Emphasis is: Christians and Jews are the “Minority” Dhiminitude.

    • Both have to submit and pay taxes for NOT being muslims. Like I saw in the film, there are those who are nervous about the interviews, and do not want to make public statements. They are oppressed there, but have to say they are happy to keep peace.


  55. The Title of this vidoe is misleading. It’s actually about the oppression of Women in iran. Watch it before you remove it.


    There are approximately 1.3 million Haredi Jews,[8] one of the fastest growing demographic sects in the world.[9]

    Israel is home to the largest Haredi population, at approx. 736,000 (out of 6 million Israeli Jews).[23] The number of Haredi Jews in Israel is rising steeply. In 1992, out of a total of 1,500,000 Orthodox Jews world wide, about 550,000 were Haredi (half of them in Israel).[24] The vast majority of Haredi Jews are Ashkenazi. However, some 20% of the Haredi population are thought to belong to the Sephardic Haredi stream. The Haredi community there has adopted a policy of cultural dissociation, but at the same time, it has struggled to remain politically active, perceiving itself as the true protector of the country’s Jewish nature.

    What does Neturei Karta mean?
    Neturei Karta (pronounced ne-TOO-ray KAHR-tuh) is Aramaic and means Guardians of the City. The phrase in its original context refers to the holy men and scholars in whose merit it was believed that God protected Jewish enclaves. The contemporary Neturei Karta movement adopted the name in order to stress its belief that only spiritual growth, prayer, Torah study and acts of kindness are permissible means of advancing Jewish interests.

    What are Neturei Karta beliefs?

    Neturei Karta is founded on the idea that Zionism is a demonic force responsible for many of the world’s evils. Their spokesmen routinely call for the dismantling of the State of Israel and the empowerment of the Palestinians who would then decide whether to allow any Jews to remain in their new state. Neturei Karta adherents believe that a promised messianic age cannot begin until Zionism is eliminated from the Middle East.

    What is the Neturei Karta’s internal structure, and how many Neturei Karta are there?

    On one level, Neturei Karta is an ideological movement at the farthest fringes of Orthodox Judaism; it is not a formal organization. A number of Neturei Karta activists, however, have joined together to form an organization called Neturei Karta International, which runs two Web sites. There are probably fewer than 100 actual Neturei Karta activists (the ones carrying placards and speaking at anti-Israel rallies), but the total number of people who would identify themselves as Neturei Karta in New York, England and Israel could be as many as a few thousand. Neturei Karta members often claim that tens or even hundreds of thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews and Hassidim share their beliefs, but this is patently false.

    Although there are segments of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community and some Hassidic Jews who do not embrace Zionism (which they view as a secularist and godless movement) and in the early 1900s opposed on theological grounds the creation of a Jewish state, these movements are sufficiently pragmatic to permit their members who live in Israel to pay taxes, use social services, vote and even form their own political parties. By contrast, Neturei Karta adherents who live in Israel do not vote, do not accept any government assistance, and reportedly even refuse to use Israeli passports. Some ultra-Orthodox, who may not be conversant with these distinctions, might support Neturei Karta just because they appear to be pious men expressing opposition to Zionism.

    How are Neturei Karta activists funded?
    It has been assumed that Neturei Karta obtains funding from Arab groups and possibly even Arab governments (in the past they have had cordial relations with Yemen and Iran). The Israeli newspaper Maariv reported that the Israel Defense Forces had obtained documents indicating that former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat supplied Neturei Karta with more than $50,000 in late 2002.

    Is the Lubavitcher Rebbe the Messiah?
    Rabbi Bruce Warshal – Jewish Light Online
    A few months ago I was walking in Times Square in New York City and there were two Chabadniks handing out literature proclaiming that the Rebbe, Menachem Schneerson, was the Messiah (Moshiach). They were in competition with a guy up the street with a sign proclaiming the end of the world and that Jesus will save us if we believe in him.

    Being a curious person, or maybe just a contentious one, I approached the Chabad-Lubavitchers and asked how the Rebbe could be the Messiah since he died in 1994 and was buried in Queens? They responded that he really wasn’t dead and that the person buried in the grave in Queens was his father-in-law. I walked away amused and a little irritated that these jokers were there in the name of Judaism. Last month my wife, Lynne, and I were in the subterranean 42nd Street subway station and another Chabad Chasid was distributing literature. Not to offend him, heaven forbid, I took what he was offering. It is this handout that I want to discuss. Hold on to your seats, because this stuff is amazing (that’s a polite adjective for ludicrous).

    “America’s efforts to safeguard peace around the world are critical elements in actualizing the redemption, as proclaimed by the prophet of our generation, the Lubavitcher Rebbe king Messiah (Moshiach) shlita (who lives forever)… America can be proud…in meriting the blessing of exceeding success with which the Rebbe king Messiah shlita blessed the U.S. armed forces in their holy mission in Iraq.” Never mind that Schneerson has been dead 13 years but is able to bless this latest war, making it a holy mission. No one told these people that it has not been a success. The rest of the country seems to understand that, but it hasn’t gotten to Chabad headquarters in Brooklyn yet.

    There’s more: On Jan. 31, 1992 the United States and the Soviet Union signed a bilateral nuclear disarmament treaty. The next day the Rebbe declared this the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy of peace. Most important, “the Rebbe king Messiah shlita (who lives forever) stated that the decision of the superpowers to abolish nuclear armament production and establish a new world order based on justice was a direct result of the rabbinic ruling” (by the Rebbe).

    It gets even better: The treaty was signed at the United Nations building in New York City “which is the world capital and headquarters of the Rebbe king Messiah shlita.” And the construction of the building was completed in 1951 (5711), “the same year that Rebbe king Messiah shlita officially assumed leadership.” Here’s the punch line: “The reason the U.N. is situated in New York is that the leader of our generation resides in that city.”

    The pamphlet further tells me that the 1991 Gulf War was part of God’s redemption and that it was foretold in Jewish Midrash. Also, the Rebbe prophesied the death of Saddam Hussein in 2007 as well as North Korea’s agreement to limit its nuclear plans in the six-nation talks in Beijing on Feb. 12, 2007. You may not realize that that date corresponds to 24 Shevat on the Hebrew calendar, “the day on which President Bush announced the reduction and nullification of nuclear weapons, 15 years ago. An event mentioned by the Rebbe king Messiah shlita (who lives forever) and referred to as his direct impact on the nations. In summary, there is no doubt that we are standing in the time of the actual redemption, as the Rebbe king Messiah shlita’s prophecies are fulfilled completely, one after the other. Be ready for the rest of the prophecies! They’re coming any second!”

    The handout also said that Judaism is against free choice and gay rights. It wasn’t included in the pamphlet, but the Rebbe also denied evolution. If he were alive (I’m sorry, I forgot he still lives) he would be a major proponent of “intelligent design.”

    One thing I learned: a woman’s place is in the home. “A home needs to be tidy and organized, but also pleasant looking. The paint should match and the curtains and furniture should look nice…Indeed, this task is the responsibility of the women and girls, who have a better taste for beauty and luxury.”

    I was invited to the Messiah’s house at 770 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn for a blessing. If I couldn’t do that I was directed to a Web site where I could ask for a blessing from the Rebbe (who really did die in 1994). There was space on the Web site to explain my personal needs to the Rebbe and I was promised an answer within seconds. It then stated: “If you don’t understand the Hebrew, please write down the volume and page numbers and ask someone from your local Chabad house to translate it for you.”

    The pamphlet says it comes directly from 770 Eastern Parkway, so I assume that it is official Chabad doctrine. I am told that there are sophisticated local Chabad rabbis that do not believe the above, but I don’t hear their voices. Until I hear them say that they do not believe that the Rebbe is the Messiah, I assume that they do. I also assume that they believe that the United Nations sits in New York because of the Rebbe, etc.

    No responsible Jewish authority would accept the Messianic Jews (Jews for Jesus) as authentic Jews. Is there a difference between Jesus and Menachem Schneerson as the Messiah? Why do we feel comfortable davening with Chabad and not with the Jews for Jesus? Why do we invite Chabad emissaries into our Day Schools and into our Reform and Conservative religious schools to bake matzah? Would we invite Jews for Jesus to bake matzah for our children? And why do liberal Jews build Chabad houses? I think I know that answer — these Lubavitchers remind them of their grandfathers and in some sad way they look upon them as more authentic Jews.

    This brings us to the crux of the matter. The pamphlet described above states: “The Rebbe of every generation provides spiritual life force for the whole generation. We, on our part, must do all we can to be ‘connected’ to him, only then can we receive all our physical and spiritual needs from him.” That’s not Judaism. We don’t need Jesus, Menachem Schneerson or any other Chasidic guru to find God. The essence of mainstream Judaism (Orthodox through Humanism) is that we can have a direct relationship with God. The word rabbi means merely teacher. No one stands between a Jew and his or her God. That’s the distortion that Chasidism introduced into Judaism, whether a particular Chasidic rabbi believes that the Rebbe is the Messiah or not.

    Upon leaving the subway station the Chabadnik gave me a nice business-sized laminated card with the Rebbe’s picture on it with the words emblazoned “Moshiach (Messiah).” He also gave me a beautiful 9 x 11 colored picture of the Rebbe, with the same message in Hebrew.

    Needless to say, I’m not going to put it on my wall.

    Ultra-Orthodox, Anti-Zionist Jews, More Zionist Than They Realize Monday August 3, 2009

    Categories: Israel, Judaism, News, Politics

    Rioting in Jerusalem’s street these past weeks demonstrates that many Ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) Jews, passionately anti-Zionist, are actually quite Zionist – they function with the kind of entitlement and power that reflect their place as Jews in a modern Jewish state.

    Bradley Burston, a columnist for Israel’s daily Ha’aretz, says the violence of the protests was a sign that haredi youth are becoming more Israeli. “With the passing of generations,” Burston said, “Haredi youth are taking on more of the language and outlook of sabras.”

    As disturbing as the rioting is, I can not help but wonder if it isn’t also a positive sign, however slow and manifestly ugly, of the increasing integration of the Haredi community into the fabric of Israeli society. Whether they are aware of it or not, their behavior spells the slow end of the ghetto mentality bred over 2,000 years of life in the Diaspora.

    It’s that, or the cutting edge of a merger of medieval faith and modern political maneuvering that could morph into something as ugly as the Taliban, the mullahs in Iran, or the network of people who bomb clinics and shoot doctors who perform abortions here in America, should it ever get real power. Time will tell.

    Read more:

  57. I’ve been on this blog for 2 years and I was pretty invisible up till last summer. I’ve been furiously plugging in my information all over this blog without really reading or connecting with the other bloggers. I was on a mission to get out my information and then I was going to be gone. I took a little bit of time to read the above posts. If that’s an example of sniping, I’m glad I’m not good at it.
    We haven’t won as many Jews to the Lord because of our lack of Love. It doesn’t matter if we’re right if there’s no love it doesn’t matter.

    Two of those bloggers above are no longer blogging here.

    Marianne stands to be commended for her blog. She’s almost to the
    2,000.000 hit and she gets around 2,000 hits a day. Morgan Sorensen has had 374 visits to his web sites.

    Let’s all be careful with our words and do everything out of Love

    They shall know we are Christians by our Love JOHN 13:35

  58. Kittii; Hope you are well.

    Do you think the Jews will dance to this tune if we show them enough
    love? Like everybody else, they must voluntarily unblock their ears,
    or could it be that the love they are shown by true followers of Jesus,
    is still too deafening for them ?! (1 doz. smiling tangerines)

    God bless.

  59. Richard;

    There are more Jewish Believers now than ever before.

    There’s a spiritual battle going on in Israel. Gavriel testified to that. Doesn’t it say in the Bible just as there are hiecharies of Angels and Demons they also are territorial and I would think the land of Israel has more spiritual warfare.

    • Kittii;

      That’s true, but God’s knows our circumstances and predisposes us
      accordingly so that we all have an equal opportunity of accepting
      Jesus. Just take a look at what Christians have to endure in the
      Far East, for example, and bear in mind that most of them have had
      to convert from religions devoid of a Biblical heritage. Now if
      people who have never heard of Yahweh can accept His son when
      presented with him, then let’s agree that those who have heard of
      Him, have no excuse. Since God is perfectly just, then Israel’s
      apparent greater spiritual warfare will be afforded greater
      spiritual assistance, so that if they wish to accept Jesus, they
      have the same opportunity as everyone else.
      As far as spiritual warfare is concerned; God does not let us suffer
      more than we can bear. He is perfectly just!……………………

      God bless.

  60. Ani ma’amin be’emunah shelema. Beviat HaMoshiach
    Ani ma’amin veaf al pi sheyitmahmeha, I’m kol zeh achake loh
    Bechol Yom sheyavoh.
    I believe with complete faith in the coming of the messiah.
    And even though he may tarry, nonetheless I will wait for him.

    • Good music!

    • Hi Kitti,

      I know many of the things I talk about are not accepted well. But that really doesn’t bother me. I thank you for your heart for Israel (those from the land and the nations). This is a very complicated issue that is hard to be resolved now. But I do feel it is right to proclaim Israel’s coming Messiah for the Jewish remanant, which does not take away from His coming for His people of non ethnic Israel, scattered among the nations.

      Be Blessed in the Messiah

  61. Richard;
    If you read any of my postx, I’m always complaining I can’t writor. I don’t write what I mean or maybe I didn’t include everything I would want to say. So I use videos or post a link. This is about spiritual warfare in Israel vs other places.

    Why Intercessors for Israel?
    Intercessors for Israel seeks to raise up a prayer army in and for Israel. Though we are burdened to teach about and stimulate prayer in the lives of individual believers and in local congregations, our primary calling is to intercede before God in behalf of the people and Land of Israel, and to do our part in the battle to prepare the way for the return of the Lord.

    God gave the children of Israel the pattern of spiritual warfare when they first entered the Promised Land. They initially conquered the lands of Bashan (of which the modern-day Golan Heights are just a part), Gilead, and Ammon. These places were given to the tribes of Rueben, Gad, and half of the tribe of Manasseh. Yet these tribes were not permitted to possess totally their inheritance until they had assisted the rest of the Israelites to enter into their inheritance as well. In fact, these two and a half tribes actually had to lead the way in battle to conquer the rest of the Land.

    Likewise, the battle today for Israel requires assistance from the body of Messiah. While we have entered into our inheritance in Messiah Yeshua, we must lead the way so that the whole house of Israel will possess its full spiritual and physical inheritance. The battle is too large for one prayer group, one congregation, or even all the believers in the Land. It is a battle for the whole body of Messiah fitly joined together, under the direction of the local Israeli leadership.

    It is a fierce battle. While there are many places in the world where the visible manifestation of the evil one and his minions is much more evident than in Israel, still it is here that we have the greatest concentration of demonic power on the face of the earth. As we discern the powers and principalities that are ruling the darkness of this age, we see that many of them have their seat of power in the Land of Israel. Why? Because the devil knows the Word of God.

    The evil one knows that the Lord is not returning first to the Himalayas or Moscow or New York, etc., but to Jerusalem. The King of the Jews is returning to the capital of the Jewish State. So we must do our part to prepare the way of the Lord. We need to be a prayer army: disciplined, strong, and wise, knowing how to use the weapons of our warfare and to hear and obey the voice of our Lord, Yeshua, the Captain of the hosts of the living God. This is the heartbeat of Intercessors for Israel.

    • Kittii;

      You should never have to complain about not being able to write,
      for on the occasions when you have, you are as good as anyone else,
      if that is what you are concerned about…but it should not be about
      comparison, or fear of not being able to express ones thoughts
      accurately, but rather to express the best way we can ,via our
      unique personalities, what we think. That’s all. Grammatical
      eloquence is not required! Just a unique, personalized comment from
      the heart.
      Don’t wish to sound patronizing,but I sense this is an issue with
      you, since you have mentioned it several times,but it need not be !!
      So turn that creative tap on and may the Spirit guide your finger
      tips,and look forward to being drowned..strangely enough!
      (end of sermon!).

      With regard to Israel’s unique “problem” of having to adjust from
      a legalistic relationship with God to one of grace,you can be sure
      that God knows every detail of the inner conflict of all Jews who
      are led to believe that they should remain entrenched in Judaic
      tradition with it’s complexities, in favour of the simple liberating
      teachings of Jesus,under his new covenant plan of salvation. However
      ,it is understandable when one considers the belief system that had
      to be formulated in order for a Jew to consider himself saved
      without the need to accept his Messiah. The degree of scripture
      manipulation and circumvention of references to their Messiah and
      the new covenant, in order to justify this self appointed status,
      could only result in a complex labyrinth of disjointed understand-
      ing, and ultimately no relationship with God. So it is no surprise
      that mysticism should become the “spiritual medium” to fill a vacuum
      that should have been God. To what extent this vacuum, Kabbalistic
      mysticism, influences the believing Jew,if at all,I do not know, but
      since it is central to Judaism and occultist in nature, then this
      could account for much of the undue demonic influence felt in Israel
      as claimed by the above commentator.
      But, whatever the reasons for “the greatest concentration of demonic
      power on the face of the earth”, that is claimed to beset Israel, we
      can be sure that God is allowing this for a reason, since all that
      occurs is in accord with Divine providence,so we should not be
      unduly concerned, since God will protect and reward an honest
      seeking heart, wherever it may be.
      So, once again, God knows the hearts of all His sheep ; their circu-
      mstances,trials and spiritual battles, and in His mercy will afford
      to each and every one a protective shield, according to need.
      So let’s not think that we are a special case or are disadvantaged
      somehow, or believe the devil can wield more power than God will
      actually allow him;since these things are a result of not coming to
      the knowledge that a perfect God of love, justice and mercy, does
      not wish to be redundant, but desires to be involved in every aspect
      of our lives, whoever we are, whatever we are, and wherever we..for
      He so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that
      whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life;
      because He really does desire that all flesh be saved.
      Not one can ever claim to have not been poked and prodded
      relentlessly by God in order to come to the saving grace of Jesus,
      that’s how much he loves each and everyone of us, and because we all
      stand equal before Him,not one one claim disparity in any way
      So let us all do the honourable thing and pray for each other who
      believe, and for the salvation of all who do not, and take the
      trouble to look beyond our own particular warfare, and acknowledge
      the warfare of others, and accept that we are all in the same boat
      of warfare together,albeit in different ways, with God’s unfailing
      protective arms around the vessel. So who need claim the right to a
      lifebelt ?!

      …..As events unfold in the tribulation, all things will be brought
      into perspective,and all that needs refining will be;and at the end
      of it all, we will enter the Kingdom, as one “new man” in Christ;
      and all that once was, will be remembered no more! Thank God!! Amen.

      This is my last comment for a while, so may the Lord safeguard you
      all through what we know is to come, just as He did with Noah, who
      did not escape the flood, but was safeguarded through it, and so it
      shall be for us in the tribulation. Happy sailing,all !!

      May the fullness of Gods’ blessings be upon you all !!

  62. walki by faith and not by sight. Don’t listen to the controlled media

    • Hi Kittii,

      I think that God knows what He is doing, and uses you as His instrument just fine. I hope that you continue to post what you feel that is on your heart. It has provide me at least, with some very thought provoking material.


  63. don’t you know the zionists were collaborating with Nazis to make pressure on the Jewish people in Germany and others in Europe and try to persuade them to go back to Palestine? Zionists shall be responsible for at least 10 % of responsibility holocaust. If they change their mind to try to avoid the Nazis from rising up and promote for rights of Jewish people then the story will be different.

    • dear inno1980

      If the zionists had been able to persuade Nazis to allow Jews to go to Palestine (Israel), there would have never been a holocaust. But Germany would not let the Jews go, and the arab muslims in Palestine protested and did not want them.

      The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem also participated in the Nazi effort to kill Jews, and Muslims were in the Nazi troops for the same purpose. So, if anyone is guilty of helping the Nazi holocaust, it is the Muslims from Palestine.

  64. Obedience to the Holy Spirit, not to human tradition (religion), is what ultimately pleases God.

    • Very true, Sarah!

      If people would only listen to God, and not man, this world would be a completely different place.

      Bu man is lazy, so he just takes the word of human tradition, because this saves him from having to think for himself, and saves from from the “trouble” of seeking God.

  65. Man is lazy. It’s a way of saying that humans are not able to believe in any cosmic order since they do not recognise it. For Neitzsche, religion would see the death of God:

    “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent?”

    Due to the vast expansion of education and the rise of modern science, religious people need to start questioning their beliefs and start coinciding with the beliefs of mainstream society.

    • hi Sarah

      Neitzsche obviously was not an expert in “God,” although he had an opinion.

      God is not dead, and will never be dead. We can only suppress and kill his presence within us by our own negative thinking. He will live on when we are dead ourselves. Atonement for this self inflicted death comes through Jesus. Through his own self sacrifice, and our acceptance of this, we are reunited with the Father after our own foolish egotistical actions.

      Education and science are man’s current attempts to replace God in his own realm. It used to be that man found evidence of God in his studies, and was overjoyed at the complexities and beauty of Creation. Now it is a wholehearted effort to prove God does not exist, when He does.

      I spent 30 years in the university system, in science, and outside of each persons’ field of study, and sometimes within it, one can find more narrow minded thinking and more self stabbing to death the presence of God.

      Education and science gives no one an advantage in the spiritual realm. It just becomes a new idolatry to be overcome.

      In themselves, they can be good fields of study, but they have also become the new religion of unbelieving minds, where preconceived concepts must take precedence over evidence that is out there in the world.

      So what has changed? To avoid religion that involves God, they come up with their own religion which excludes Him.

      It is all man’s belief system.

      How is man’s system superior to God’s? Answer is that it isn’t.

      Science has come to the point where it can destroy mankind. We are facing world war 3 with the technology we have. We use education to remove moral values from children we teach. So, where is the eternal value of either one?

      Abuse of knowledge creates hell.

      Man is inherently self centered without the presence of God within him.

      He will push for power and control until he burns out.

      Then he dies, and he loses what he had worked for his entire life.

      This is man’s end.

  66. I wasn’t suggesting that God is dead. Neitzsche was thinking that ‘religion’ or ‘man’ has killed God (in his own mind).



  69. Revelations Ch 2 Verse 9 and Ch 3 Verse 9. Two scriptures that seem to get looked over and for good reason. Jews are not Israelites ( Chosen People ) Muslims are sure not Israelites. The Father said his people suffer for lack of knowledge. Scripture says we are a company of nations, Kings and Queens, A great seafaring people. Mmmm wonder whom that could be? GOD Bless you all

  70. To the regathering called Zionism , unto the Covenant is mentioned in 2 Maccabees 2 by Prophet Jeremiah – the revelation of the “Arc of the Covenant” even Spiritually which specifically states to the gathering by God in His Mercy that the Glory of God will be seen, just as Moses saw the Glory in the mountain of inheritance & to this no such thing has been seen till now individually or Collectively in the land , which makes this Zionism not conforming to the Prophecy of the Covenant & hence highly Questionable, in tune with the beliefs & views of the Neture Karta.

  71. TRUE Jews reject the evil state of Israel, who mass murders Palestinians. Authentic Jews have no part in this. Hopefully one day you’ll understand, but as for now you will just falsely label me as racist.

    • tyler

      you are a perfect example of a dead antisemitic brain. It would not be unfair to call you racist, since you are racist.

      hopefully, someday, you will understand how brainwashed you are, and realize that you are calling good evil and evil good.

  72. To understand the Zionism through the Bible, every Prophecy, except one, to the regathering, were all prophesied before the advent of the 2nd. temple, invariably to the second temple gathering & the one Prophesied just before the first scattering again revealed in 2Maccabees2 just before the Advent of the Christ, before the final scattering(to the prophecy of Daniel fulfilled in the words of Jesus on the Cross- It is Finished) , through the Prophet of the new Covenant-Jeremiah, was/is to a future gathering (unto Himself) even unto the revelation of “The Arc of the Covenant”, clearly envisioned by him to be individually in the Spirit, to that personnel relationship, not the present Political but the Spiritual. Definitely not a people governed by ‘sodom’ but for His name sake. In short constitutes a remnant from all nations (distributed across the seas) unto His inheritance called Israel on Earth(For God is the God of all the earth not just to some bits & pieces of land)) just as in Heaven & to this there is no Jew or Gentile. The present happenings are but all in the continuation of the Apostasy, even come unto the Christian especially the west(become the center of the Sodom – The Marker)in the prophecy of the falling away, to the making of the Abomination of the desolation, for The Prophecy has to be fulfilled, to which is this Zionism, the tool of freemasonry, manifested as the very Enmity put by God between the serpent & the Woman at Eden, to the final reckoning through the coming of the Christ.

    • abey

      I see prophecies from the OT that are not fulfilled yet. Daniel’s time of Jacob’s trouble has not occurred, for example.

      Joel’s day of the Lord is not fulfilled, where the sun turns dark and the moon turns red.

      there is another prophecy where god comes against the wicked of the earth and the princes of the air, and men hide in caves….this one is repeated in the rev 6

      Prophecies for natural Israel are not over yet.

  73. Spiritually accomplished but Physically to manifest through the final sign of the Abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel pointed out by Jesus, this Zionism is to that, & what can one expect from that created through freemasonry, the very Enmity manifested. How can the Israel that came out of Shem through Abraham now come as Ham & Jepeth – Now this is not natural, but cut off ,if the Prophesy of Erza to this effect is understood. Israel defiled to the falling by heathen wives , against the commandment of God to their forefathers. So there is no more “Natural” but there is the Spiritual seed of Abraham in Christ Jesus, by Faith.

  74. […] Anti-Zionism – Jewish self–betrayal […]

  75. Zionism is racism! Ask god for forgiveness you sinner! God doesn’t bless a physical Israel! We as Christians are the real Jews and Israel! We are children of Abraham! Read the bible! Jesus is messiah!!

    • mary

      christians are christians and jews are jews.

      chrstians are gentiles grafted into the olive branch of Israel.

      we are only children of abraham through adoption…..

      I do read the bible, it promises jesus will come back for the jews when the nations attack jerusalem

  76. Fuck God. And your illegal imperialism, apartheid and human rights violations. All based on some scrolls from a fucking cave? Get real.

    • pirate

      no, not from a scroll…..

      from millions and millions of changed lives, due to the visitation of a holy son of god to earth….

      witnessed by multitudes, and recorded as history

      you are in a strange spot to complain about illegal immigration, which by the way is illegal.

      and apartheid in palestine is self induced by mentally ill people , who are terrorists from the cradle, taught to hate and kill, forcing others to defend themselves. their god teaches them to kill others and themselves….which is a tragedy

      • Hi Marianne, hope you are well. The tragedy is elsewhere but until you don’t go there by yourself you will not understand what I am saying. BRgds & take good care

  77. The many alters figured in the Freemasonic israeli supreme court -Vishnu Lo Egypt, denoted by the transgendered one atop the freemasonic capitol hill working through “Intimidation & Seduction” equals “Violence & Sodom” unto the prophesied days of Noe & Lot( in this case a combination) & its latter origins indicated through the words of St. Jude —“satan contending for the body of Moses & St. Micheal not obstructing that”. This body of Moses are the people of Moses that rejected Christ unto this day, moreover the Law & Prophets were handed over to the Messiah by the appearence of Moses & Elijah at the mount of transfiguration., is but to know who is this so called Messiah, gathering & leading a people, through total falsification of Biblical prophecy & since God is sovereign it comes as his wrath for He does not take the rejectors of His beloved son, the MessIah so kindly. For not a day of peace has been seen by a people gathered from the time of the gathering, a gathering itself in violence denotes that very wrath, against the very spirit of the Biblically Prophesied gathering not by the will of men as seen, but by God Himself.

  78. Revelations 2:9 and 3:9

    I’m sorry to break it to you but Yah will regather his people FROM THE 4 WINDS OF THE EARTH those Khazars came from Europe, yet Zephaniah 3:10, ISAIAH 11:11-15 says something different. Stop going against prophecies and accept that these people are not the ones they claim to be.

    • JL

      you are making assumptions based on internet rumor and disinformation. Europe is part of the earth and Yah’s people are there also. They are scattered all over the earth in many countries. some were collected back in 1948, and more will come. let Yah, not man, decide who is who.

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