Leopard 4th Beast
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Is the beast from the ancient Grecian empire?
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This is a guest post by
Mike .R. Boehm
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Preliminary note about “the north”
Some say that the north is Europe.
The OT prophets were very clear that the north was either Babylon, that would destroy Israel, or Medo/Persia, and her allies that would destroy Babylon; and of course in Ezekiel 38 & 39, Turkey is included.
In Jeremiah the land of the north is Babylon, that will come and destroy Israel in Jeremiah’s day, Je 1:13-15; 23:8; 25:9Ez 26:7; 38:6,15.
In Je 50:9; 51:11,27,28, God is predicting the fall of Babylon, and the land of the north is Media, and those allied with them.
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Identifying Characteristics of the Beast:
Scripture indicates that following the start of the Two Witness’ preaching (at about the same time) the beast will rise out of the sea, (of humanity).
Scripture gives a lot of identifiers that we may know and understand who and what the beast is.
Re. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (Allah, possibly).
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Comparing Scripture with Scripture, lets look at a parallel passage, and see what Daniel said:
Da. 7:17,23 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
If these beasts in Daniel were kings, then a scriptural precedent is there for the seven heads of the beast of Rev 13 to be seven kings (rulers) with kingdoms (countries).
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I. The Sea the beast rises out of: Daniel’s four beasts also rose out of the sea,
Da. 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
We are told in Revelation seventeen that the waters where the whore sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues,
Re. 17:15 The waters which you saw, where the whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
We can assume, then, that the waters and the sea represent the same thing; peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. It is interesting to note that Islam is rising up all over the world, out of the peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.
This beast Re. 13:1-3 is the end time political, governmental, religious machine of the political figure, the dictator/tyrant, the head that is wounded to death, and yet lives, vs. 3, the beast.
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II. The Leopard beats: We are told that the beast of Revelation is like a Leopard vs. 2 And the beast … was like a leopard,
Da. 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another (beast), like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
The leopard beast of Daniel is to reemerge some 2600 years later as the beast of Revelation.
The characteristics of the four beasts in Daniel are fulfilled in the Revelation beast; the characteristics of these four Daniel beasts are listed in reverse order in the Revelation beast.
It is said of the first three beasts of Daniel seven that their lives were prolonged,
Da. 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts … their lives were prolonged for a season and time,
that is until the time of the end, this time that we are looking at in Revelation thirteen, and this Revelation beast is the culmination of the three Daniel beasts.
1. One significance of the Leopard beast of Daniel is that it has Multiple heads; the beast of Revelation, likewise has multiple heads; seven.
This Leopard beast of Daniel represented the Grecian Empire, which after the death of Alexander, was divided into four kingdoms ruled by four of Alexander’s generals, represented by the four heads on the Leopard beast.
The Revelation beast’s heads represent kingdoms (possibly controlled by military type leaders as the heads of the Leopard beast were in this old Grecian Empire), but they would also be religious, being Islamic kingdoms.
According to Re 13:2 the heads of the beast will all come out of the old Grecian Empire, the Leopard beast, which is a composite of the Bear and Lion beasts that preceded it.
It is most probable that it will be an Islamic confederacy controlled by the beast, who very possibly will be the Mahdi that most all of Islam is looking for.
For more details of the Mahdi, see online Wikipedia article on the Mahdi. It is also possible that Satan will bring Mohammed back from the dead, and he will be the Mahdi.
2. Re. 17:9 agrees with this idea that the heads are kingdoms, vs 9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.
Mountains in Scripture usually represent kingdoms; actually they represent the capital city of a kingdom.
Is. 2:2-4. in the last days, the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established in the top of the mountains … for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
This verse is saying that Jerusalem, the capital city of Israel, will be the ruling kingdom of all kingdoms (mountains), cmp. also
Is. 66:20 And they shall bring an offering unto the LORD … to my holy mountain Jerusalem, says the LORD. again, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel; actually of the southern kingdom of Judah.
3. Alexander’s kingdom, the Leopard kingdom, was divided between four of his generals, after his death:
1. Ptolomy I Soter got Egypt, which also included the Sinai Peninsula, which are now Islamic;
2. Seleucus I Nicator ended up with Syria, Jordan, Babylon, which is Iraq, Persia, which is Iran, all now Islamic; Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, along with Israel and Lebanon and Gaza were also part of his dominion,
3. Lysimachus got Thrace, which today is the eastern tip of Greece, the northwestern tip of Turkey, and Bulgaria; of which only this small part of Greece is not Islamic; he also had Asia Minor, which would include Phrygia, Lydia, and Ionia, all of which comprise most of modern Turkey today, which is Islamic;
4. Cassander took Macedon, which is most of modern Greece, and includes southern Albania on the west, and borders Bulgaria on the east. Macedon appears to be only about one third Islamic. But, the majority of what was then Alexander’s kingdom is Islamic today. So we can say that the beast of Revelation is Islamic.
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III. The feet of a Bear: We are told that this Revelation beast had the feet of a Bear, and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
Da. 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear,
The Bear beast of Daniel represented the Medo Persian Empire.
Media, then, was what is northern Iran today, and Persia, then, was what is southern Iran today; and Iran is radically Islamic.
The Medo Persian Empire didn’t include Macedon or Thrace. It did include what today is Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan.
Iran threatens both Israel, and the US verbally today, and is a terror to the whole region.
The feet of a bear represent great power. The claws of a Grizzly can rip open the steel side of a 55 gal. drum, which is way thicker steel than a car door.
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IV. The mouth of a Lion: We are told that this beast had the mouth of a Lion, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
cmp. Da. 7:4 The first beast was like a lion,
This Lion beast represented the Babylonian Empire, which today is totally Islamic; Babylon is Iraq today.
The Babylonian Empire didn’t include Iran/Media Persia, nor most of Turkey. This was the smallest of the empires of Daniel’s vision of chapter seven. It did include Assyria, or Assure.
This first beast of Daniel seven, which had the mouth of a Lion, is symbolic of the Revelation beast too. Who could prevail against the mouth of a Lion? More than likely this, in part, refers to his speech which will not be able to be challenged;
Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies …
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Is not this typical of Islam, both of the Koran and of its preachers? The Koran is very antichrist.
The following quotes from the Koran are taken from the web site; Testimony of Antichrist, a must read; just google it to find the web site.
** The Koran’s antichrist refutation that Jesus was the Son of God; by Mohammed.
–Surah IV (18) “The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him.”
–Surah V (19) “The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; Messengers before him passed away; his mother was a just woman; they both ate food. Behold, how We make clear signs to them; then behold, how they perverted are!”
–Surah VI (20) “The Creator of the heavens and the earth — how should He have a Son, seeing that He has no consort, and He created all things, and He has knowledge of everything?”
–Surah IX (21) “The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of God;’ the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the Son of God.’ That is the utterance of their mouths, confirming with the unbelievers before them.”
–Surah X (22) “They [the Christians] say, ‘God has taken to Him a son.’ Glory be to Him! He is All-sufficient; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; you have no authority for this. what, so you say concerning God that you know not? Say: ‘Those who forge against God falsehood shall not prosper. Some enjoyment in this world; then unto Us they shall return; then We shall let them taste the terrible chastisement, for that they were unbelievers [in Mohammed and the Koran].'”
–Surah XVII (23) “Praise belongs to God, who has not taken to Him a son.”
–Surah XIX (24) “And they say, ‘The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son‘ You have indeed advanced something hideous! The heavens are well-nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well-nigh fall down crashing for they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and it behooves not the All-merciful to take a son.”
–Surah XXIII (25) “God has not taken to Himself any son.”
–Surah XXV (26) “He has not taken to Him a son.”
–Surah XXXVII (27) “Is it not of their own calumny that they say, ‘God has begotten?’ They are truly liars.”
–Surah VXLIII (28) “And when the son of Mary is cited as an example, behold, thy people turn away from it and say, ‘What are our gods better, or he?’ They [the Christians] cite him not to thee, save to dispute; nay, but they are a people contentious. He is only a servant We blessed, and We made him to be an example to the Children of Israel.”
It was Mohammed’s self-proclaimed mission “. . . to warn those who say, ‘God has taken to Himself a son, (29).'” Many have testified of the Messiah’s Son ship.
It was prophesied by the Holy Spirit
through King David: I will be his father, and he shall be my son,
II Sam 7:14; Through Isaiah: Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, Is 9:6;
Through Gabriel to Mary: He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest, Lk 1:32 … The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God,
Lk 1:35. John the Baptist bore record that Jesus was the Son of God,
Jn 1:32-34. God Himself testified twice of Jesus: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased,
Mt 3:17, 17:5; Mk 1:11, 9:7; and, Lk 3:22, 9:35. Saint Mark testified in his gospel: Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Mk 1:1.
Even the unclean spirits recognized that Jesus was the Son of God: And, behold, they cried out, saying,
‘What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Mt 8:29
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V. The fourth beast of Daniel seven:
It is different from the other beasts before it, and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; The beast of Revelation is a composite of the first three beasts of Daniel seven, but it says that he is like the Leopard beast;
he has the mouth of the Lion beast, and the feet of the Bear beast, but, he is said to be the Leopard.
The beast of Revelation isn’t a lion, or a bear, but a Leopard. This is the Grecian Empire.
The fourth beast of Daniel has ten horns as does the beast of Revelation; it has power to treads down the whole earth, and it breaks it in pieces,
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. Da. 7:7ff.
In similar fashion, the Revelation beast is given power over all kindreds, tongues, and nations. He also make war with the saints.
Da. 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (first three), their dominion was taken away; yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time;
the first three beasts of Daniel have their lives prolonged from Daniel’s time until this time; that is until the time of the end, the forty-two month period of the beast of Revelation, the time and times and a half,
Da. 7:23,25 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Again, the fourth beast is different from the other beasts before it. Think for a minute about how different Islam is from all other nations, and governments, and religions;
it says, the fourth kingdom … shall be diverse from all kingdoms. Islam allows for no other religions; it allows for no other gods; only the Koran is tolerated, a Bible is not allowed even to be brought into a Muslim country;
Islam insists upon the rule of Sharia law only, think to change times and laws; only members of Islam are allowed to vote under Sharia law; women basically have no rights; there is no freedom of speech; and there are beheadings and mutilations.
Islam is radically different from all nations, religions, and governments!
The Revelation beast is Islamic.
This forth kingdom is not Rome, as many suppose, but is Mohammed’s kingdom that transitioned into the Ottoman empire, and dominated in that part of the world for 700 years; it conquered the Roman Empire; it is rising up again spreading it’s insane religion, Sharia law, fear, and terror. Europe is succumbing to its onslaughts.
The revived Roman empire theory is not practical, nor Biblical.
None of the European countries are named in Bible prophecy; nor do any of the countries border, or surround Israel.
The European Union is not gearing up, or preparing to attack Israel.
All of the countries that border and surround Israel are Islamic, and are all named by name in Bible prophecy.
Many of them are at war with Israel, or are poised to be.
None of the Islamic countries recognize Israel’s right to exist as a nation. They are united in their hatred of Israel, and the US.
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VI. The beast from the bottomless pit:
The beast of Revelation, the political/religious leader, the dictator, ascends out of the bottomless pit, and continues for forty-two months; could this be Mohammed brought back from the bottomless pit by Satan? We can’t know at this time, but it is a possibility.
Re. 11:7 And when they (Two Witnesses) shall have finished their testimony (3 1/2 yrs.), the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Re. 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
Re. 13:5 and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
The seven headed beast of Re. 13:1 rises up out of the sea of humanity, whereas its leader, the beast of Re. 11:7 & 17:8, ascends out of the bottomless pit.
One must make the distinction between the beast king, and the beast kingdom.
The latter rises out of the sea, and the other out of the bottomless pit.
The beast kingdom is radical Islam, or the countries that make up radical Islam. Islam is rising up in so many countries around the world.
Many of the countries in Africa (Islam has ravaged much of Africa); many of the countries in Europe, such as Spain, France, England, Germany, etc., in the Philippines, in Malaysia, and Indonesia, in Australia, and in the US.
The beast of Islam is rising up out of the sea of humanity all over the world.
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VII. The Seven heads of the beast: having seven heads and ten horns.
As we have seen, the beast’s heads represent kingdoms; the horns represent kings.
When we think of Islamic countries that surround Israel that could be the countries that make up the seven heads of the beast, there are quite a number to choose from.
Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Sudan; and there are the seven “stan” brothers;
Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan, Afganistan, Pakistan, and Kazakhstan which is northeast of the Caspian Sea.
There is also Qatar, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and several others in north Africa west of Libya that border the Mediterranean Sea.
How then can we know which countries will comprise the seven heads of the beast?
Let’s compare Scripture with Scripture. Ezekiel 38 lists a number of countries to be considered, and Ps 83 also lists a number of countries that are very likely candidates.
I think that we can conclude one thing from what we have seen thus far, that the seven heads will all be members of the Leopard Empire, and will be Islamic.
Ezekiel 38:2-6 2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army … even a great company …
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
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Here are the names of the countries with their corresponding modern names;
1. Magog is Azerbaijan,
2. Meshech is the far northeastern corner of Turkey,
3. Tubal is northeastern Turkey, but not as far east as Meshech. See the two maps; the ancient map, The World as Known to the Hebrews; and the modern day map of the Middle East. (see MAPs)
4. Persia is Iran,
5. Ethiopia is Sudan,
6. Libya is Libya, and
7. Gomer is central Turkey,
8. Togarmah would include far eastern Turkey.
Notice that Turkey is named in, and is a part of, four of these seven countries, but I think we can say that we have here named the countries that comprise the seven heads of the beast.
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So we have the seven heads here,
1. Meshech/northeastern Turkey,
2. Tubal/northeastern Turkey (next to Meshech & west of Meshech),
3. Gomer/central Turkey, and
4. Togarmah/eastern Turkey, which is south of Meshech and Tubal. These would comprise Turkey, as one of the beasts heads.
5. Persia/Iran, would be another head.
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Ezekiel names the northern belt countries, except for Ethiopia and Libya, which are in the south.
Psalm eighty-three names counties that are right below this northern belt of countries, forming a lower belt of countries; all end time Islamic countries; this Psalm seems very apropos for the days we live in, and in the end time study of the beast.
Ps 83:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assure also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth …
17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Here, at the ending of this Psalm, Vs 17ff it tells us that men will know Jehovah (basically is the God is high over all the earth) when He puts an end to all the enemies of Israel; to Islam with their wickedness and deceit.
They have been fighting Israel ever since Ez 37 was fulfilled in 1948, with the rebirth of the nation of Israel.
The Islamic countries continue to refuse to acknowledge Israel’s existence as a sovereign state; in practice they do though, for they are fighting Israel every day.
The wording of this Psalm parallels that of Ez 38.
There are nine countries listed here in this Psalm, all Islamic.
1. Edom is S. Jordan;
2. Moab is Central Jordan;
3. Ammon is N. Jordan;
4. Gebal is Lebanon/Hezbolah,
5. Tyre is a city in Lebanon;
6. Philistia is Gaza/Hamas;
7. Assure is Assyria which is Iraq,
8. Ishmael &,
9. Hagarenes comprise northern Saudi Arabia; the Hagarenes being farther east; and
10. Amalek is the Sinai Peninsula, which is part of Egypt today.
All of these countries were part of the Leopard empire of Alexander, and could help solve our problem as to who constitutes the seven heads of the beast of Revelation.
So, we add five more heads to the beast;
1. Jordan/Edom, Moab, and Ammon,
2. Lebanon/Gebal or Phoenicia,
3. Gaza/Philistia,
4. Iraq/Assure or Assyria,
5. N. Saudi Arabia/Ishmaelites and the Hagarenes.
This gives us our seven heads of the beast of Revelation;
1. Turkey,
2. Iran,
3. Iraq,
4. Lebanon,
5. Gaza,
6. Jordan,
7. Saudi Arabia.
These are the seven countries that are listed for us in Scripture. I might not have picked these, but they are named outrightly for us.
It seems likely that the countries that were in the Leopard empire, that were not listed in Ezekiel 38 and Ps 83, will be countries that align themselves with the beast, and complete his coalition that goes against Israel.
This would include, out of Alexander’s Empire,
Sudan and Libya, Afganistan and Pakistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and possibly the eastern parts of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
All these countries that were part of Alexander’s empire, but not any of them named as part of the beast, but could fulfill the last phrase of Ezekiel 38:6, and many people with thee, and many more.
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VIII. Gog the Beast, the Antichrist:
Gog is called the Chief Prince (a ruler or leader); it is another name for the beast of Revelation, the Antichrist.
Again, Gog is called the Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal.
It is no mistake that Gog is called the Chief Prince.
Gog is not a country, but the leader of the nations that are listed in Ez 38.
In Ez 38, God is addressing Gog; he is the one being spoken to by the LORD/Jehovah; he is the one who is consolidating this end time coalition to go against Israel one last time.
He is also called the Assyrian in several O.T. passages, when Assyria was troubling Israel; see Mic. 5:5,6; Is 10:24; & 14:25, all having to do with the end times.
Another thing to consider, is the context of Ez 38; it is Ez 37, The re-gathering of Israel back into her land which was fulfilled and consummated in 1948 when she was reborn as a nation, as Ezekiel and the other prophets predicted.
This puts Ez 38 in end time prophecy, and with all the things we have seen about the beast kingdom and its Islamic connection, it is hard to deny that Gog is not referring to the final beast.
There are some who think that Ezekiel 38 & 39 refer to the battle in Re 12, but, is this the case? I think not.
The evidence in Ez 38 & 39 is quite conclusive that this is indeed the same battle as Armageddon, and happens at the same time, at the very end.
Ez 38 & 39 is an O.T. description of Armageddon, while Re 19 is a N.T. description.
If this is right, then it is conclusive that Gog is the O.T. description,
Ezekiel’s description, by the Holy Spirit, of the beast of Revelation.
Consider the following:
1. It is the time of God’s Wrath.
Ez 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
The Wrath of God is mentioned in several O.T. Day of the LORD passages, Zep 1:14-18, Is. 13:6-13, to name only a couple;
i. It says, this is the time that God’s Wrath will be executed. The Seven Vials of Revelation are said nine times to be God’s Wrath;
ii. The Wrath of God here, is a term that is applied to the future end time Day of the Lord.
In the O.T. the Day of the LORD passages, look forward to the end time Trumpet and Vial judgments of the Revelation, that will be poured out.
In Revelation, the O.T. Day of the LORD finds its fulfillment and completion in the Trumpet and Vial judgments from the LORD.
The Wrath of God refers specifically to the seven Vials.
In the O.T. the Day of the Lord passages, the end time Day of the Lord is in view, which is the seven Trumpet and Vial judgments, but Armageddon is the O.T. focal point of the Day of the LORD.
Re 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the Vials of the Wrath of God upon the earth.
The battle of Armageddon is the 6th Vial, and is the O.T. focal point of the Wrath of God, and the focal point of the Day of the LORD,
Re 16:12-16, 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty …
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
In the O.T. Day of the LORD passages, the Wrath of God and Armageddon, in particular, are the focal point of a number of these passages.
Ezekiel 38:19-39:6 is a graphic description of Armageddon, as is Re 19:11ff. It is customary with Bible topics, that one passage will give details that another passage does not give, and visa versa.
It takes all the passages on a given topic to see the whole.
iii. It says in Ez 38:19 that there will be a great shaking in the land, a great earthquake; verse 20 says that the earth quake will be so great that the mountains will be thrown down, and every wall shall fall.
Ez 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
The 7th Vial of Revelation sixteen is a description of the same earthquake, but in different words, Re 16:17-20.
Re 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Can there be any question that these are two different accounts of the same event?
They are both called Wrath, indirectly, that is in the immediate context; there is only one end time Wrath of God.
It says in Ezekiel that every wall shall fall, and in Revelation it broadens the view; the cities of the nations fell; cities are made of buildings, and buildings are made of walls. Revelation says the cities fell, and Ezekiel says every wall fell.
It says in Revelation that the cities of the nations fell; it is possible that this is referring to the cities of these Islamic nations that come against Israel, the cities under control of the beast, and not a world wide occurrence.
In the second O.T. Day of the LORD/Wrath of God passage, Is 13:6ff, verse 13 mentions this great earthquake.
Is 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty …
9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of His fierce anger.
iv. Jehovah has a great sacrifice:
In Ezekiel 39:17ff the LORD/Jehovah is speaking, and He say, gather yourselves to My Sacrifice; this sacrifice is called the supper of the great God in
Revelation 19:17. There is no sacrifice, or supper like this one; the fowls of heaven and beasts of the earth are the guests at this feast, and the main course are the armies of Gog, the beast; his kings, captains, princes and mighty men, horses and riders, free and bond, small and great.
This sacrifice of the LORD is mentioned in two O.T. Day of the LORD passages, Zep 1:7,8,14-18, and Is 34:1-10.
a. Ezekiel’s description;
Ez 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus says the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
b. Revelation’s description;
Re 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
2. This passage, Ezekiel 38 & 39, delineates God’s final and conclusive dealings with Israel as He reveals Himself to them; and His final dealings with the heathen too, as He is made known to them.
I do not mean by, God’s final and conclusive dealings, that God does not deal any more at all with Israel or the heathen, but that these events described here, describe the concluding events of the Seventh Seal of Revelation, and bring the events of the O.T. Day of the LORD to its conclusion.
Consider the following:
i. Ez 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One IN Israel.
All these things happen only once, at the end of the age, in Bible prophecy.
There are three conclusive things here:
a. Jehovah’s name will be known in the midst of His people Israel, and verse 22 says, from that day forward. That is conclusive!
This only happens when Christ comes again,
Ro 11:26, And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
cmp. also Ze 12:10-13:2. This is pretty conclusive!
b. Israel will no more pollute Jehovah’s holy name anymore!
c. The heathen also will know that Jehovah is the Lord, and the Holy One of Israel, and the Holy One IN Israel.
38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
d. Remember, the English words LORD & GOD, in all capitals, represents the Hebrew word for Jehovah.
e. Notice the last phrase of vs. 7; it says the Holy One IN Israel. The normal O.T. phrase is, the Holy One OF Israel.
This is an indication that Jehovah is in the land, in person.
cmp, Re 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.
ii. In the O.T. it is Jehovah that comes in flaming fire, that treads the wine press of the Wrath of God, that fights the battle of Armageddon, but in the N.T. it is said that Jesus Christ does all these things.
There are also about twenty some other things said about Jehovah in the O.T. that are also spoken of Christ in the N.T.
This has been a very brief discussion of this subject of Ezekiel thirty-eight and thirty-nine, and of a few of the passages from Revelation dealing with the Wrath of God and the destruction of the beast and his kingdom.
For an interesting discussion of this subject read on line, Islam and the Final Beast; by Walid Shobat; just type that into the search engine and it will come up.
4. In my opinion Ez 38:19-39:6 is a description, among other things, of God’s destruction of radical Islam, as it rises up for the last time, in its hatred of Israel and God, in an attempt to destroy Israel, as it attempted to in the 6 day war.
Islam has been harassing and attacking Israel ever since it became a nation again in 1948. The suicide bombings got so bad that Israel had to build a concrete wall to keep the bombers out.
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IX. Some Concluding Remarks
Daniel was told to seal up the vision he had received until the time of the end.
One reason it was sealed up ’til the time of the end was because certain things in prophecy couldn’t be understood until they were appearing.
The beast is one of those.
Prophecy preachers have taught that the beast of Revelation would be the revived Roman empire.
We now see with the rise of Radical Islam that it is Islam that is the beast.
It is Islam that wants to destroy Israel, and the U.S.
It is Islam that says that God didn’t have a son, and that Jesus was not the son of God.
It is Islam that is propagating acts of terror in almost every country around the world.
Just to name a few, the U.S., England, Germany, France, Spain, Africa (many places in Africa), Afganistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Russia, India, Indonesia.
It is not the European Union; if it were, they would be doing these things to fulfill prophecy.
These modern day countries are made up of these O.T. countries. See the enclosed maps of both the ancient and the modern.
The following countries are what Scripture seems to be indicating to be the seven heads of the beast of Revelation:
1. Turkey – Gomer, Meshech and Tubal, and Togarmah
2. Iran – Persia and Media
3. Iraq – Babylon and Assyria
4. Jordan – Edom, Moab, and Ammon
5. Lebanon – Gebal or Phoenicia
6. Gaza – Philistia
7. Saudi Arabia – Ishmaelites and the Hagarenes
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End of Mike’s post.
What do you think?
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“In the O.T. it is Jehovah that comes in flaming fire, that treads the wine press of the Wrath of God, that fights the battle of Armageddon, but in the N.T. it is said that Jesus Christ does all these things.”
This is very interesting, there are many indications that YHVH will be in the field fighting wars on behalf of saints, because Jesus Christ and He are One and the Same;
Many events thought to be describing events of Exodus really describe Judgment Day, when Jesus Christ returns to earth after passing through all spiritual universes and galaxies comes from the north, lands on Mount Sinai, does the same path as Israelites during Exodus, passes through wilderness of Paran to Edom, passes through Jordan River where He was once baptized to Mount of Olives, splitting Mount of Olives in half, then enters Temple Mount through Eastern Gate and will sit in Holy of Holies, putting one hand on one Cherubim and other hand on second Cherubim (like devil three and half years before Him);
Some lesser known passages from sciptures indicating at this:
“9 Myrrh, and aloes, and cassia are all thy garments; out of ivory palaces stringed instruments have made thee glad.” (Psalms 45)
“6 Who is this that cometh up out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant?” (Song of Songs 3)
“2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deut. 33)
(Actually, The LORD never “came” from Sinai, The LORD appeared to Moses at Sinai, but He didn’t come from there; Rather, it describes path of Jesus Christ during Second Coming from Sinai; The LORD, during exodus, never rose from Seir and shined forth from mount Paran with ten thousands of saints…this describes Second Coming and proves that The LORD of Israel and Jesus Christ are One and The Same)
“ 3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.” (Deut. 33)
Regarding what Jesus said:
“28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” (John 10)
“2 Praise ye the LORD for the avenging of Israel, when the people willingly offered themselves.
3 Hear, O ye kings; give ear, O ye princes; I, even I, will sing unto the LORD; I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.
4 LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.
5 The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel. “(Judges 5)
(This supposedly describes battle of Barak, Sisera and Yahel in Judges 4, but that battle took place at Kishon and Meggido near Jezreel in Northern Israel, while verse really describes Second Coming from Seir and Edom, very far distance from Jezreel; And Sinai also didn’t melt when God gave Torah – Exodus 19,20)
Again, God coming from the desert during Second Coming, with forces of destruction:
“3 God cometh from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah His glory covereth the heavens, and the earth is full of His praise. 4 And a brightness appeareth as the light; rays hath He at His side; and there is the hiding of His power. 5 Before him goeth the pestilence, and fiery bolts go forth at His feet.” (Habakkuk 3)
“Who is this that cometh from Edom, with crimsoned garments from Bozrah? This that is glorious in his apparel, stately in the greatness of his strength?’–’I that speak in victory, mighty to save.” (Isaiah 63)
“15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” (Rev. 19)
“4 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O mighty one, thy glory and thy majesty. (Psalms 45)
As I awaken I heard ‘ Do you believe THE NAME OF GOD.’
Not do you believe IN the name …
But … ‘DO YOU BELIEVE THE NAME OF GOD’
Ponder this ….
And this here too
Rev 19:12 ‘His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.’
I am afraid to say more.
“…in that day shall the LORD be One, and His name one.” (Zech. 14:9)
Amen!
Amen!
Alternatively:
“in that day shall the LORD (=His will in Heaven) be One, and His name (=His will on Earth) one.”
“…in that day shall the LORD (YHVH) be One, and His name (Mashiach) one.”
I wonder what Yeshua’s secret name in heaven is.
Metatron?
Yeshua has role in heaven as a Messiah, not only on earth, because Daniel speaks about Messiah appearing before Ancient of Days;
But, then again, does God need a secret name?
“…in that day shall the LORD (=Alpha/YHVH) be One, and His name (=Omega/Mashiach) one.” = ‘Alpha and Omega’ = ONE;
Excellent research! I have just finished my book END TIME SECRETS REVEALED! In it I make the same arguments about Gog. You I must say do a much mmore detailed argument! It also states that he will invade on THE DAY of the Lord and that he is “THE ONE” all the prophets have spoken of. WHo else but the antichrist will be “the one” all the prophets ahve spoken of? In Isaiah, he is “The Assyrian.” In Ezekiel he is Gog. In Hosea, he is the Assyrian. In Jeremiah, he is the northern invader. GREAT JOB!!! All throughout the scriptures, the message is clear:on the day of the Lord a northern invasion force lead by the antichrist will invade an israel at peace. This invasion will cause the people of Israel to FLEE to the mountains(MAtt 24). The anticrhist will rule for 3 1/2 years. Then then Lord will come back and destroy the antichrist on the mountains of Israel, or as Joel says, “I WILL DRIVE THE NORTHERN ARMY OUT as the army of the Lord come! So the whole”The antichrist is a western Eropean does not hold water. Another point: Daniel 8 speaks that the antichrist will arise to the south, and to the east, and towards Israel. That can only be the areas you describe, and not Europe!
Keep up the great work!
Alan Brooks
abrook8@aol.com
This post closely relates to many of my posts on my website. I agree that the beast is a revived Islamic (ottoman) Empire.
I have a few questions for you here so let me get started.
I have a problem with any interpretation that leaves huge time gaps in the stories of John and Daniel. Daniel seems to be describing world history as one kingdom is taken over and replaced by another. But the ottoman empire follows the Greeks by almost 1000 years. It also only lasted 700 years and according to both Daniel and John the beast would receive power for 1260 years.
Now if the ottoman empire fulfills the fourth beast of Daniel we can look at history to see if it fits. There were originally ten kingdoms, but then a “little horn” rose up and subdued three – plucking them up by the roots (Dan 7). Who were the original ten kingdoms and which three were destroyed? And who is the little horn? And why is only the little horn blasphemous? And he thinks to change laws and times, but these must be God’s laws not Sharia laws. Every new empire makes new laws, that is not worth mentioning. So which commandments did they change?
And who is the second beast? Its power comes from the first so it must have come out of the Ottoman empire but you didn’t mention it. It appears to be Christ-like but nothing in Islam is Christ-like. The beast will claim to be Christ but if a Muslim were to do that he would be beheaded. And the people in God’s church would not follow and worship a Muslim, would you? There is a fundamental problem with a Muslim false prophet. There will not be an actual Antichrist as neither mentions that name. The term was used four times in the NT to describe ALL people who don’t believe in Jesus. Most of the world is already filled with them and none of them are going to fool a Christian into believing he is Christ.
Also, if Islam is the woman or false church of Rev. 19, the luxurious description does not fit. The colors, the gold and incredible wealth does not describe Islam. Their mosques are rather austere.
And why does God tell his people to get out of her before she is destroyed? Are Muslims really God’s people? That line sure doesn’t fit.
As for the war of Gog, I’m not so sure it is the same as armageddon. Gog is defeated by hail and brimstone and Armageddon is fought by Michael and his angels. Plus Armageddon involves the kings of the east and china is definitely not Muslim, so Gog does not help your argument.
Well, I hope you can address these issues as I’m sure many of us are trying to put ALL the pieces together.
Thanks
hi james,
I am going to try to let Mike address questions to his post, so I will not say too much here. But what passage are you using to proove that the antichrist will pretend to be christ like?
James,
For an answer to your first objection, read Islam and the Final Beast, http://www.answering-islam.org/Walid/gog.htm; Walid Shobat gives a good historical argument for the 4th beast of Daniel being Mohammed’s empire rather than the Roman Empire; its a good read! Time and space does not permit it here.
You mentioned that, “according to both Daniel and John the beast would receive power for 1260 years.” I have not found this anywhere in the Bible; maybe you are referring to the Two Witnesses who preach for 1260 days (3 1/2 years), also Israel which flees into the wilderness for 1260 days, Re. 12. These are the only two references I know of that refer to 1260 days.
The point of this study is to show who the beast of Revelation 13 is; it it not a commentary of the entire book of Revelation, or of the entire thirteenth chapter; this should be clear from the material set forth. I did not go into the identity of the beast out of the earth that had two horns of a lamb and spake as a dragon.
You said the beast out of the earth appears to be Christ like? The Bible doesn’t say this; it says he spake as a dragon; thats not Christ like. The people of God are not deceived by the beast, but they know the truth; they (we) are not of the night, but of the day; we are not, and will not be deceived by the beast. Re 14 says that if any man worships the beast, he will be tormented with fire and brimstone for ever and ever.
Re 14:9, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10* The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11* And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12* Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Notice what the last verse, 12, says; what does it mean, here is the patience of the saints? It means that they do not worship the beast, they are not deceived by him, they know exactly who he is, and if need be they (we) are ready to die rather than worship the beast. One more thing, he is not called the antichrist in Revelation, but the beast. Notice the next verse in Revelation,
vs. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Those who are killed by the beast are said to be blessed. I don’t relish the thought of being beheaded by some Islamic nut case, but I would do that, by the grace of God, rather than denounce Christ, and say that Mohammed is God’s prophet, and Allah is god.
Another point where your question is confusing to me is; the antichrist is Christ like? The Bible doesn’t say that; The Bible says about the beast of Revelation;
“he opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God, II Th 2:4. He is not said to be like Christ, but to claim to be God, which is what Islam claims for Allah.
Jesus did say in Mt. 24,
“there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. This though, is not necessarily said of the beast of Revelation, as II Th 2:4 says. The elect are not deceived, as Paul said in II Thes 2, I quoted it above.
Again, you are confusing two different thing; the woman, the whore of Re 17, not 19, rides the beast; she is not the beast. The whore of revelation 17 is not the false church, as some teach; that is what is called isogesis, reading into the text something that isn’t there.
The Dome of the rock in Jerusalem is anything but austere, rather it is exquisite, the top dome part of it was originally all gold, but has been replaced with only gold plating, but if you have seen pictures of it, it is a magnificent structure!
Again, I think you are confusing two things, the battle of Gog of Rev. 20 is an altogether different battle, than that described in Ezk 38,39, and Rev 16, Armageddon. The battle of Gog, of Rev. 20, is after the Millennium; Armageddon is before. Armageddon is NOT fought by Michael and his angels. Michael and his angels fight and kick Satan and his angels out of heaven, Re 12.
The Bible says nothing about China being the kings of the east; again this is the teachings of men. Notice Re. 16:12
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
The kings of the east would be kings east of the Euphrates River, according to this verse. If you look at a map, Iran is east of the Euphrates, along with Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan,Tajikistan, Uzbekistan,and Kyrgystan, all Islamic; these could be the kings of the east. India, likewise is east of the Euphrates, with the Islamic Taj Mahal, the eighth wonder of the world.
You also mentioned the changing of times and laws; most countries of the world have similar laws, but radical Islam and Sharia Law are radically different than the laws of any other country; do you know anything about Sharia law? To me it doesn’t seem that hard to understand.
I have tried to answer most of your questions; I don’t know if that will help or not. Sometimes you see what you want to see, and hear what you want to hear.
May God guide YOU in YOUR quest for truth. Remember, the Bible must be our final authority, and not mans ideas. I have tried to keep this as one of my uppermost guiding principles. God Bless!
PS. Daniel understood jeremiah’s 70 week prophecy by prayer with fasting; if you get hungry enough to really know and understand end time truth, that is what you must do too.
Well in Rev. 13 it says the beast will have the horns of a lamb. That is like Jesus.
Also: ‘He as God, sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.’
Here is a link to a better explanation:
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=antichrist_18
The Antichrist is not ANTI Christ. He pretends to be him or else how could he get God’s people to worship him?
Check it out.
hey James-
didn’t quite understand what you meant by antichrist is Not antichrist. the scriptures say that he is the man of sin, and everything he does is Antichrist and like you said he even he will “cause” many to worship him as God(even though he is not God) help me out on that one please
James,
Thanks for your replies!
Anti means against; the book of Revelation calls him the beast, not the anti Christ, thou the beast is very antichrist. The 2nd beast in Rev. 13, the beast out of the earth has the two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon. To the lost world who does not know the true Christ, the beast will claim to be, and appear to be a deliverer, but he only leads them deeper into bondage; a bondage of no escape, for the Bible says, as I quoted above;
Re 14:9, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
That means exactly what it says, anyone who worships the beast is condemned to hell for ever. The beast will be quite persuasive in getting the lost to follow him; how is it that sooo many Americans believed the lies of Barak Obama? His lies about change, and hope? I had a friend who, tho he didn’t vote for him, yet he said, he talks good; he speaks well, and McCain didn’t.
Obama had led our nation into deeper bondage in every way; financially, spiritually; materially; 17 – 30 million people out of work! All of the conservative talk show radio hosts warned and warned about Obama, and his associates, but the lying liberal media were singing his praise. How could so many vote for him?
II Th. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Here it is; here are those who will follow the religion of hate; the religion of death; those who refused to believe the truth, will believe a lie, the lies of the beast.
The (antichrist) beast does not pretend to be like Christ, he is against Christ; But like Obama, he will be a great lier. Re 11 says after being tormented by the preaching of the Two witnesses, their preaching the truth of God for 1260 days, and their enduring the incessant attacks of the beasts followers, the beast will finally succeed in killing them. He does not imitate Christ; he is against everything Christ is, and that He stands for.
The claims of the Koran, and Islam seem good to those who don’t know the truth of the Bible, sad to say. Many will follow their pernicious ways.
Rev 12-9..And the great dragon was cast out, that OLD SERENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM.. …This verse reveals two things..First it reveals that the dragon and his angels are none other than the OLD serpent in the garden… and it also reveals the seven heads of the dragon are actually the angels of satan..THESE SEVEN HEADS ARE CAST OUT WITH THE DRAGON…Hense these seven heads are satan’s angels..These go to make war with the remnant of the WOMAN’S SEED (Genesis 3-15)…This war begins in REV 13..This scenario began in Genesis with the original temptation…Of which astrology played a huge part..The entire world was engulfed in astrology worship…God called this delusional event the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.. Which in realtiy was a counterfeit of creation…
Rev 17 and 18 are about the wife of satan.. She is satan’s counterfeit of New Jerusalem which is the bride of Christ…She is the bride of satan specifically the beast…
Rev 17-9…And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. This scenario goes back to the Garden of Eden and this bride of satan does indeed have the wisdom gleaned from the tree of knowledge of good and evil…
The mountains are the high places where satan is worshiped as god.. The seven heads are seven kings..This kings are all kings of the Babylon lie..I do not know who the first five kings are, but I believe the 6th is king herod who Jesus deemed as being of satan’s seat…
The seventh king who continues a short space is the beast of rev 13..He is mohammed… He is the beast that was (alive) and is not (alive) , but yet is (alive) when he comes out of the hell pit…
Rev 17-11..And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. THE SEVENTH KING IS THE 8TH KING…This is more than likely the deadly wound to the beast head healed…i.e.the return of the 7th/8th king..
The earth beast with two horns like a lamb is called a false prophet.. He is also responsible for killing all who won’t bow to the allah beast…This would be the muslims who peddle the koran as God’s words i.e. false prophets and kill all who do not accept the allah beast…I think the image of the beast represents the return of the 7th/8th king…
The ancient babylon religion was the worship of astrology..It taught of the sun, moon and 5 planets (stars), and each had a king…Hense the 7 kings…The astrology wisdom was satan’s version of the creation.. Enoch records the fact that a fallen angel named Barackiel and/or angels taught men astrology…
The end of the WORLD does not mean the end of the earth,, It means the end of the delusional WORLD satan coerced men into in Gensis 3…The beginning of the end was when Jesus lived… IT is alsmost finished….The last enemy that must be destroyed is death and it would appear that Islam is the doctrine that caused death..
Cain’s doctrine was of original sin doctrine and was satan’s wisdom.Those that go in the way of Cain, like Cain, rise up and kill those who do not worship god as they do.. this is islam.. jude1-11…Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. Balaam and Coreh’s error was of the ancient astrology gods and doctrines..Islam is an offshoot of this ancient religion , they just monotheised it and picked the astrology god named sin alias hubal, alias allah the moon god to be the god of abrham..
If you think about it.. Rev3-9, 10.. Satan’s synagogue that says they are jews but are not…convince the world they are jews (chosen) by saying they are an Abrahamic religion. They are not..
Mark -13…And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him
The Lord sure does not only have a sense of humor always using the 13th chapter or 13 verse.. But he also hides a lot of truth in plain sight.. For instance speaking of the WILD BEASTS in conjunction with his temptation… This should show people the beast of rev 13 is also a temptation of the same magnitude .. This time of the entire world
Antichrist pretentds to be Messiah which Jews expect, not Jesus Christ;
John 5:43 reads:
Jesus said to the people, “I come in My Father’s name and you do not accept Me. But another shall come in his own name, and him you will accept.”
Isaiah describes Israel’s relationship with the Antichrist. Isaiah refers to this future world leader as “the Assyrian.”
Woe to the Assyrian [Antichrist]… I send him against a godless nation, I dispatch him against a people who anger me, to seize loot and snatch plunder, and to trample them down like mud in the streets. … Therefore, the Lord, the LORD Almighty, will send a wasting disease upon his sturdy warriors; under his pomp a fire will be kindled like a blazing flame. … In that day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of the house of Jacob, will no longer rely on him [Antichrist] who struck them down but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel (Isaiah 10:5-20).
Antichrist may already be living in Israel, it will take him nothing to seize power overnight…by overturning Israeli government, strongest military power will be at his disposal, including some 500 thermonuclear warheads;
A really smart anti christ intent on world domination would not choose Israel for his seat but would choose the American presidency.. From there he could rule the entire world even by force if he chose.
There are some spiritual truths that antichrist is aware of:
If he wants to dominate the world he must first dominate Holy Land, if he wants to dominate Holy Land he must first dominate Jerusalem, if he wants to dominate Jerusalem he must first dominate Temple Mount, if he wants to dominate Temple Mount he must sit in Holy of Holies;
right on with the scripture on this comment. i love the truth when it is put like that.
Excellent though, Gavriel! Islam has dominated the temple mount for centuries. The Dome of the rock and the Islamic domination of the temple mount is an abomination of sorts. It is very possible that part of the Two Witnesses mission will be to overcome the Islamic domination of the temple mount in order that the temple of the LORD may be rebuilt.
Isaiah 14-13.For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Lucifer exalts this throne above the stars of god (heaven) by claiming Ishamel is chosen over the stars of god who are (Isaac/Jacob line and Jesus adoptees.)…and he sits on his throne claiming he is the God of Abraham through
Ishamel’s descendants
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Lucifer says HE WILL ASO sit upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
The MOUNT would be Mount Zion and northward is mount Moriah wherein sits THE DOME OF THE ROCK..
Eze. 8-3 And brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where [was] the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
Eze.8-5..So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry
Israel is mentioned in Ezekiel 8. Specifically the ancients of Israel… Possibly those who fell in the Moses wilderness
ruth,
Mount Zion is another name for Mount Moriah;
Location of Holy of Holies is in vacant area just opposite the Western Wall;
The Dome of the Rock is NORTHWARD to Holy of Holies; Used to be place of idol-worship during time of Solomon and Roman rule;
also,
Antichrist won’t need to convince Muslims decent from Ishmael or fulfilment of Quran, he will just need to physically assault the Jews – that’s enough to convince them and accept him as their saviour; Muslims are possessed by devil from the moment they accept Islam – watching or killing God’s people is enough for them to be satisfied;
Why does this website seem to over focus on one evil entity in this world – Islam? You keep on saying that the EU is not in this. Why? You don’t think the two largest and richest entities in the world today – the U.S. and the EU are a part of end-time prophecy? You took a lot space and pointed to a lot of scripture to explain your complicated THEORY of what this all means. I don’t think God meant for people to endlessly theorize and twist HIS word around what people may or may not think things mean. Yes, it is good to talk about and read about and research who peoples (ancient and modern) are. But, taking into consideration the whole of time and space – history and beyond the physical (into the realm of the spiritual) your suggestions seem very confined and limited. People have migrated, there is a whole spirit world that exists, there are dual and possibly triple prophetical fulfillments. Taking, for example, the kind of weight you are placing on the leopard beast as having a disproportionately greater importance in prophecy, and the reasoning you give for this, it seems to me you are really reaching for something, reading way too much into the text. I’m sure you know, the Holy Word of God has been written and rewritten many, many, many times over with many different uses of language and the use of many different languages. When you are “theorizing” try to consider factors other than your obvious immediate world. We are all suppose to have consideration for HIM that “inspired” this Holy Book and handle the Word of God aright. I would just like to say I completely and totally disagree with your assessment of what the seven heads are and I am slightly offended that it seems you are a little bit brazen in just coming out with a list like that. A clear reading of the text states that the beast of Revelation 13 has ten horns with crowns and seven heads with blasphemes on each head. Isn’t THIS clearly significant to you? It seems to indicate, to me at least, that there is a differentiation in the horns (kings) and the heads (religions). There are many, many more significant details in the text, and they are ALL important, not just the ones that plug up the holes in your THEORY. The TRUTH is a lot simpler than all of the complicated rhetoric. There are several very, very large, very, very powerful, very, very rich and very, very evil world entities (nations/governments and/or false religious systems) which own and operate this planet and trace their roots back to ancient times (and that the greatest[and by greatest I mean largest, most powerful, richest, and most evil] of these is NOT Islam). These are ALL melding together to form the BEAST conglomerate. And if you insist on leaving out any of these entities in your theory you will just be one of the many, many BILLIONS of people on the planet today who will be decieved and blinded in the end of the times of the end. I have read much history and what many, many SCHOLARS have to say about the scriptures. I think we have something to gain reading and taking in a wider panorama on these vitally important biblical topics (as opposed to “throwing out” everything that has ever been said or written before). Also, just a side question – the EU, America, New Age, etc. may not be mentioned by name in the bible – but Islam isn’t mentioned by name in the bible either, is it?
alot of good points here and well noted. these should be considered and hermanudics is also important to plug into the eqauasion. yes, it is alsways important what biblical scholars are saying when it lines up with the Word of God and exogesis can be implied. unfortuantely so many are applying isogesis which is incorrect in explaing the phrophecies.
Hmmmmm… pardon me for saying the truth since things have been confirmed as I suspected since a child whom could never understood why she cannot trust anyone nor whatever relates to White House.. or any others cross the world.. It does not matter whom… Most are in the power of greed… are pretty much linked.
I simply can suggest anyone please watch “Conspiracy Theory” by Jesse Ventura… Boy, I am telling you.. that matches every details in the bible if you look closely and listen closely with details thru that tv program.. seriously. I have watched tonight.. two shows by him.. One is about ” Big Brother ” called InfraGuard ( Not sure if spelled properly ) that spies on not just terrorists as they assured to everyone.. but also citizens.. everything has been planted in real rock, and much much more.. you name it. Worse is, they also have some equipment that can communicate with your brain that no one else can hear.. ( it is all about control )
Second program was about ” Bilderberg Group ” which *clear thoart * forgive me for pausing a moment here.. because… it kinda hard for me to share the truth knowing the costs of lives.
That Group has already been around for 800 years and no secret about it… Group is always behide the doors with every nations through Presidents and Politicans.. uhm… I am sad to say that Swine Flu nose spray carrys the chemical that would passes to unsuspecting citizens.. cross the world.. The real truth… those H1N1 shots that million people took cross the world has been illegally approved by FDA… INside that, is a tick clocking time bomb.. They planned the whole time is… killing 500 million people.. “Not today, not tomorrow, but very soon” …said the scared doctor lady who was insider flees to other country to get out of Amercia.. because she KNEW.. and related everything to Jesse Ventura how it happens and all.. WE ALL HAVE BEEN POSIONED already, dears… through water, food, and everything… I am not joking.
I am not surprised at all.. Just surprised to have all my instincts confirmed from childhood to adulthood. *sigh* I just hate to hear bad news for ANYONE… nor do I want to see ANYONE harm either..
Before you judge me too quickly or dismiss this… please do vertify that show FIRST and decide… for yourself..
Each of us might have different views.. but.. *shake head sadly * It means NOTHING but to help others is far more important than point fingers at each other.. Believe me.
Big hugs to you everyone.. I will always hold you all in my heart with blessings and will not forget.. stranger or nay. I best let this go.. and hold on to faith and to Almighty God tightly..
Tamera
People seem to forget their history. And not just ancient history. But modern, 20th, and very recent history. I was born in the midst of the Vietnam War and back then I don’t think too many people knew much about Islam in this country. I bring this up because we here in America were worried about Communism then. We were fighting the Red Chinese in Korea and Vietnam and they were heinous and cruel – not only to American Armed Forces – but to their own people! This country, China, hasn’t changed much. There is a nation of 1.3 billion people who mostly practice Buddism. This, alone, is a larger population of people practicing a false (and evil) religion, Buddism, than Islam. And if you think that Chinese government or society is more “tolerant” than Islam, you would be wrong. Same goes for India. Funny thing is, these cruel or false, and probably what you would consider remote, entities such as Islam (not so remote anymore), China, Hinduism aren’t even the full picture by a long shot. You’ve got the whole “Christianized” western world. The Catholic Church’s sins piling up to heaven aren’t just in the past as with the atrocities of the Crusades or the Inquisition or the slaughter of communities of Protestants throughout the Middle Ages (St. Bartholomew’s Massacre, French Revolution), although these are enough to convict and condemn them in God’s eyes. In recent history, there is the clergy they left in Germany, to be gassed by Hitler (and they want to Canonize this pope!). And I don’t even have to go into the abuse of children by Catholic clergy here and over in Great Britain. Just as recently as 2000, in South American villages, the Catholic citizenry have been cited for persecuting smaller, protestant communities. Over 1 billion people in the world are Catholic. That’s equal to the Muslim population. They all think they are Christians. They are truly deceived, and as a result, spiritually bankrupt. My point in all this is that the physical world is bigger than the Middle East now and end-time prophecies aren’t restrictive to this area of the world. Just because we here in America feel the immediate threat of Islam, doesn’t mean there aren’t any other completely as false, heinous, and corrupt entities out there. And that’s what the Beast of Revelation 13 is – ALL of them put together. Why couldn’t you imagine that Islam and Catholicism could have common ground and meld together with a few other very large religious systems to form Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot, here in the future shortly? Haven’t you heard that the World Religion Association(?) has been meeting in Australia to do just that? ALL false religion has its roots in the ancient Babylonish mystery religions originated by Nimrod and his wife. You may be surprised to find there could be a lot more than this as common ground between Islam and Catholicism. Anyway, the large World Beast Power is just going to use the Islamic facet of the Harlot to do one kind of dirty job and the Catholic facet to do another. And it has already started. Watch the news about these things. The only community saved out of this whole mess is the ‘little flock’ of God’s true believers – those who keep the commandments of God and contend earnestly for the faith (in and of) Jesus Christ, our only true Lord and Savior, and the gospel, once for all delivered to the saints.
Lisa,
Several things you might consider:
All End Time prophecy revolves around Israel, and Israel being back in her land. Look at the map of the Middle East above; all the countries that surround Israel, and that have been at war with Israel since her rebirth as a nation are Islamic!
When Christ returns, He will come back to Israel, and will rule the world during the millennium, setting on the throne of David, in Jerusalem. The new Jerusalem that descends from God out of heaven in Re. 21, will be in Israel, not the U.S. or Europe.
It was Islam that brought the two buildings of the World trade center to dust, and that has been creating havoc throughout the world, in Spain, in France, in England, in Russia, in Indonesia, etc. etc. If you read the book, What Every American Should Know about the Koran, A History of the U.S. and Islam, by William Federer, you will discover that we have had conflicts, and been at odds with Islam since our countries inception. When Thomas Jefferson became President, our country was paying 20% of our gross GDP to the Islamic, Barberry Pirates to ransom our captive citizens and ships that the pirates captured; he put an end to it by sending the Marines and Navy, and defeated them, and put an end to their nonsense.
The Bible is, and has to be our final authority, not books and websites on prophecy, and not our opinions. The Bible names all the counties of the beast in the O.T. as I set forth above. It was not nearly so apparent twenty years go that radical islam would rise up all over the world and threaten the nations of the world. The leader of France said recently that it seems inevitable that France will succumb to the onslaughts Islam, and very possibly all of Europe, and possibly the U.S. too.
Martin Mawyer, president of Christian Action Network, just returned from Europe, from being with Winston Churchill’s son filming and documenting the encroachments of Islam into Europe; he has been warning for year of Islam’s inroads here in the U.S. He has written a number of pamphlets documenting Islam’s inroads here in the U.S. His first one, Jihad in America, documents Islam’s activities and goal to take over the U.S. by 2020. His second pamphlet documents 35 Islamic terrorist training camps here in the U.S. It is radical Islam that is actively engaged in subverting all the nations of the world, not China, not Europe, not Russia, not the U.S. There are plenty of conspiracy theories, but we must stick with, Thus saith the LORD!
You can get the new book out from World Net Daily, Muslim Mafia. The author, a special forces agent, was imbedded with CAIR, Counsel on American Islamic Relations, for six months as a convert to Islam; his book is shocking, and reveals the shocking extent in which Islam has infiltrated our government in high places. Islam is seeking to instigate Sharia Law in our once great land, on many levels, not just by suicide bombings.
Europe does not surround Israel, nor threaten Israel; granted Europe is not pro Israel, anymore than the liberal Democrats who are now in control of D.C.
The idea of the Revived Roman Empire came out of the Dark Ages, when the Roman Catholic Church based in Rome, Italy, was devouring believers of true churches at an incredible rate, out of every country in Europe. True believers were hunted down and forced to recant, and tortured and murdered if they didn’t. To them the Pope and his church were the beast of Revelation, and it was apropos for that day and time; that’s the origin of that theory. Two good books on that subject are; Babylon Mystery Religion (which is a condensed version of the classic, Two Babylons, by Hislop) and Great Prophecies of the Bible, both by Ralph Woodrow; they can be gotten off Amazon. The Roman Catholic church has become more civilized in these last days, but it is different in 3rd world counrties.
By the way, I was in Viet Nam.
Israel is a British colony.
The government of Israel does not do anything without orders from London.
80% of Jerusalem is owned by guess who?
The R.C. has not changed at all.
Their tactics are simply less visible to the commoner.
If you call that ‘more civilized’ then so be it.
But do not be deceived in the ‘Great Deecption’.
i’m with you here, Lisa–she knows what she is talking about. spread the WORD!
The ancient Babylonian religion existed before the flood and was revived by Cush, nimrod at the tower of Babel.. The Bile speaks of the religion BEFORE THE FLOOD..
Lisa,
Hi hope you are well.
Talking about sins piling up let’s talk about the American Indian genocide and the slave trade.
There’s just too much evil going around.
Love,
John
Boom-shocka locka!–now that’s true!
Yes the American indian genecide where the Indians all banded together and declared war on Usa..And after they were defeated The American government gave them much land still tax free.One reservation alone is about the size of Texas..
And they there is the slave problem… Muslims sold their black brothers to the entire world and continue to do so…America freed them..Arabia practiced slavery as a legimitate trade up to the 1960s..
People should read some real history before they condemn America..
Ruth,
Hi hope you are well.
Regarding the slave trade of course there are many souls corrupeted with evil. There were those who sold the slaves to the merchants. There were the merchants who transported the slaves. Then there were those who exploited the slaves using their labor. All acts by different parties were evil. But the bottom line is, is that if there was no market for the slaves the first two guilty parties would not have existed.
I think it is you who should loose the shackles that bind your mind and look objectively at history. One thing about the Bible is that it is very honest in everything.
For example David was the greatest king Israel ever had. Yet there is no attempt in scripture to cover up his sin with Bathsheeba and murdering Uriah the Hittite. There is honest truth.
No looking at the American situtation. It was the Indians who were here on this land first. It was the European invaders who corrupted the far more advanced societies of the Native Americana. It was the Europeans who with lies and violence stole their lands. And America continued the practice of the Europeans and were just as bad.
If you don’t like the fact that the Indians don’t pay taxes I suggest that you advocate the fair and equitable thing and give back all the lands that were stolen to their possession. Notice how I don’t say ownership becuase the Native Americans still own the land. It doesn’t matter what you do and say there is a right and wrong and the United States, Canada, Mexico, etc is in the wrong.
I live in America so I can best do my service to God by changing the evil that exists right in my area.
I would suggest that you read books written by different types of people. If nothing else it would help you understand where others are coming from.
Love,
John
you guys are debating RIGOROUSLY, but can’t we all just get along?
John, you do know the indians migrated to America as did the white man…But thank God we do not live in teepees and chhew buffalo hides.. Incidentally we have indians in our geneology…
Has it ever dawned on anyone that Americans are those who have gone into all the world and preached the gospel in preparation for these end time events… As I see it God wanted Christianity in a land safe from muslim killers as we were until the last 100 years or so..and to fulfill the great commission…..
Do you have even a vague idea of what the world would be with the Americans…??? Think about it and then tell me of our evil.
We would either be mohammadans bowing to satan or nazis bowing to hitler satan…there would probably be no electricity, airplanes, cars. advanced medicine,, etc..
Ruth,
Hi hope you are well.
Let’s look at things purely carnally first. The Indians were here first. The Europeans came and murdered them and stole their land. How is this any different then say Japan dominating Korea and Manchuri before World War II offically started? Look at the similarities. You have an aggressive foreign invader. The invader is a society proclaiming superiority over the conquered. The invader intends to kill all the original inhabitants to take their resources and land. The invader does not even allow the conquered to speak in their own languages.
Now look at it spiritually. What was done in Japan was less worse because a lot of what was done in America was done in the name of Jesus. I am sorry but that is not the way of the Lord.
How was what was done fufilling the Great Comission? I guess you never heard of John Chivington or his ilke?
The gospel of Jesus Christ is one of Love. We are commanded to even Love our enemies. To murder, lie, kill and steal is not Christ like under any circumstances.
You can justify it if you like, but one day you will go before the Judge.
Love,
John
John
John, you are judging American and
American Christians and me also…
The real truth is God’s wrath came upon America because of the godlessness, abortion and homosexuality that has thrived since the 1960’s.. all promoted by the democrat party..
The tares are being seperated from the wheat and it is not because of wars with indians or slavery…
It is because of those three evils listed above
The four beasts (kingdoms) of Daniel are parallel to the metals of The splendor of the image seen by the kKng Nebuchadnezzar in a vision.
The same body with different times and different aspects and/or attributes.
Nevertheless still the same body until it is destroyed by the Rock at the end of the world.
There is an old saying ‘you can call *a rose* by any other name but it is still what it is.’
The nature of such a system spanning from then to now is still the same system.
Remember that the western leg of the kingdom of ‘iron’ was/is Europe.
And being a leg it did move across the globe to what is now the americas.
Hi Ruth,
Hope you have a good new year.
George Bush was president for eight years of which the Republican party held both the Senate and House for six years. Out of those six years not once did they do anything to out law abortion.
Dick Cheney celebrated and embrace his lesbian daughter.
The shame is not just for Democrats. All of our leaders have betrayed both God and the American people. Unless of course you are amongst the wealthiest. Worse the betrayal is not over and the greater evil is to come.
Why you think homosexuality, abortion and godlessness are greater than other sins I don’t know. All sin is wrong. I agree they are grievous sins but they don’t rank higher than others. Oppression is a sin too, as is adultry and so forth.
There is a song by Jim Croce. “You glorify the baby and crucify the man.”
Perhaps the wars with the Indians or slavery is not much concern to you. However the evil ramifications from those events exist to this very day and have real impacts in our society.
There is a scripture “Cast the beam out of your own eye and you will see clearly to remove the mote in your brother’s”
Finally telling the truth about what happened is not judging.
I think it might be very much to your advantage to try to understand how different people view things and feel about things.
George Washington, was he a great man? It depends on whom you talk to. Talk to the British, or a Native American, or one of his slaves, or somebody who fought in his army, or somebody who signed the decleration of independence and you will get very different answers. All the answers would be based on personal criteria. All would be valid and different. If you could have empathy with what others think you could Love them more. God after all is Love.
I hope if nothing else we can agree the Jesus is Lord and that His Word is the Bible.
Love,
John
Ultimately your opinion and my opinion
If the catholic church was babylon , which she is not, It would mean all protestants are harlots…THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev 17-5…
The was not the C.C. that did this…And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:
Nor did the C.C. do this……And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of ALL THAT WERE slain upon the earth….
Babylon goes back to the garden of Eden.. This is the religion that the bible speaks of before the flood and it was restored by nimrod and Cush afer the flood…
This same religion was on earth during the apostles lifetimes and Jesus even told them they would suffer woes (the woes in Rev) because of their evil.. And jesus said these are responsible for Abel death.. Matthew 23..which is repeated in Rev 18-24…
Have you forgotten that we are in the end of things….and primarily the end of the deception that originated in the garden of eden…
Peple need to read the Bible more and mens versions of the Bible less..and allow holy ghost to guide them into truth.. He is the only one that can
John, How do you think God views the murder of helpless innocent babies???? As for homosexual marriage, Jesus said they were marrying and giving in marriage, and he added likewise Sodom…..As for godlessness we are evidence that any nation that forgets god will be turned into hell..
If America would correct these sins God will hear from Heaven and heal our land… If not, well he will send antichrist as president of USA to divide us and to take the tares out…as is written…
JESUS IS GOD…
we are eyeball deep in judgement now…The Bible says God’s people will not even realize they are being judged…Again I say we are proof the Bible is true..
why do dummiecrats always blame the former administration??? Are they so dumb they do not know they are responsible for what they do, not for what others did before them..Satan always , always shifts the blame so he doesnt smell so bad..The present administration smells really bad and their shift the blame tactics are not camoflauging the odor..
Ruth,
So just for the record, do you Love Jesus?
Love,
John
John,
The world of lost men has been full of the things you blame America for since it’s inception; that was what the flood was all about, and that is what the Day of the LORD will be about in the near future.
Gen. 5:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually … 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Jesus said, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of man. The Day of the LORD, will be in some ways like the flood, a judgment on wicked corrupt man.
Isa. 13:9 Behold, the Day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
As for America and the founders of our country, they were very intense Bible believers and Bible followers, contrary to the rewritten history that is propagated in our public school, and that we were taught. To get a real education on the founding and founding fathers of our country, you can get the ten DVD set, The American Heritage Series, by David Barton, from the WallBuilders website. It is one of the greatest series I have seen and learned from!
The capital building was the largest church in Washington; Congress started Bible Societies, to reach the Indians. By the way, if it hadn’t been for the Indians the first Pilgrim forefathers probably wouldn’t have survived. The Pilgrims and the Indians were friends. Most of the older Colleges in the America were started by ministers to train preachers.
You did have the Jamestown settlement (if I’m not mistaken, and they weren’t Christian, but heathen, and were here just for profit.)
The Great commission has gone out from our shores into most of the nations of the world; into India, William Carey; Burma, Adoniram judson; Aftica, David Livinggston; American Indians, David Brainard; Hudson Tailor & John and Betty Stam to China; and on and on the list goes, and there were hundreds that followed these early pioneer missionaries. I was a missionary in Nepal, a Hindu Kingdom; when I first went, it was against the law to be a missionary, against the law to proselyte, against the law to change your religion to Christian, a six year jail sentence to baptize, and a three year jail sentence to get baptized, which was the sign that one had changed their religion. The gospel had gone there by American missionaries long before I went.
When I was in Bible School in the 70’s, the Independent Baptist mission boards, there were about six or seven of them each had between one and two thousand missionaries, and I don’t know how many thousand missionaries the Souther Baptist mission agency had; the Baptist Bible Fellowship had several thousand too.
America was founded on Bible principles; our Constitution was written in large part by theologians, and our Declaration of Independence was almost word for word a chapter out of the theologian John Locke’s writings.
Regarding slavery, King George III of England wouldn’t let the Colonists and founders abolish slavery. After we won independence the individual states began to abolish slavery; see article from WallBulders website; George Washington, Thomas Jefferson Slavery in Virginia, under Articles/Issues. Also see article The Founding Fathers on Jesus, Christianity, and the Bible, under the same, Articles/Issues. Anything you want to know about the founders writings, history, Christianity, etc. you can find there. God Bless YOU!
John , the question is “Do you love Jesus and do you know him..” M.R.Boehm is an example of someone who loves and knows Jesus..
You, in your effort to love our enemies have misplaced your love for others.. You also believe lies of man.. These lies always make God’s children look evil and satan’s children look like victims…
I can’t believe how people Blame America for slavery which existed thousands of years before America.. While they fail to give credit to America, of whom many died to abolish slavery…
Nor can I believe it that people blame and lie about Crusaders who actually walked most of the way to Jerusalem to stop the Satans muslim chidren who were intent on taking over the world and forcing them to bow to the allah beast..
Islam has not changed.. IT is still satan’s synagogue (rev 3-9, 10)that say they are jews but are not…They convince the world they are jews by claiming Islam is an Abrhamic religion.. and with the lie that Ishmael was the chosen line…You do know a jew is one who professes to worship Abrham’s god and to have blood lines to Abrham don’t you…..Islam is satan’s counterfeit of this… Islam is in reality satan rising up and claiming he is God..
My love for Jesus is not a namby pamby CHristian who thinks I am living in paradise..I love Jesus enough to see the REAL WORLD we live in… As does also Mr M.R. Boehm…
Now john, do you love Jesus enough to see the real truth..I love enough to understand we are all different and we are not all called for the same undertaking for God… But I warn you , living in a delusional world that calls good evil and evil good today is dangerous..
I think John you do not really understand we are in a battle…
I find this article revealing …
http://www.redmoonrising.com/chamish/vaticanagenda.htm
And appropriate … since last nights’ Moon was blood red.
http://www.spaceweather.com/
The Vatican from the Crusades till now never changed its’ desires.
Mark1 -13…And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the WILD BEASTS; and the angels ministered unto him
The Lord sure does not only have a sense of humor always using the 13th chapter or 13th verse.. But he also hides a lot of truth in plain sight.. For instance speaking of the WILD BEASTS in conjunction with his temptation… This should show people the beast of rev 13 is also a temptation of the same magnitude .. This time of the entire world.
Ruth,
Hi hope you are well.
Let us dispose of some myths right now.
America never was and never will be God’s nation. Israel was once God’s nation. The purpose of that nation was to bring forth the Seed which was Jesus. God now only has the Kingdom of Heaven which is the Church of Christ. This at the moment is a spiritual kingdom. There are no other organizations sanctioned by God.
America is as evil as well as the Musilm nations, the European Nations, Isreal, Red China, Russia etc. A nation is only righteous when itacts in accordance with the will of God. It is true there have been many good Americans.
Yet in Nazi Germany there were good Germans like Dietrich Boenhoffer who did not go follow the Nazis. So the fact that there are good Americans proves nothing. It is these Christ like people in the United States, that are the salt of the Earth and the Light of the World that we can attribute God’s blessing to this nation. We are certainly not blessed because of our leaders, our policies, our economic system or any other thing.
If you think that it is in accordance with God’s teachings for Christians to fight carnal warfare against anybody then you do not understand Jesus and His teachings!
It is just as bad to bow to the ‘Allah beast’ as it is to bow to the ‘allmighty dollar’.
Love,
John
John, ISRAEL are the apostles who died for humanity and are the foundation of CHristianity ..Israel are also of the jewish converts to Christianity 2000 years ago….THE BLOOD OF THEIR DESCENDENTS IS IN CHRISTIANITY ..How say you America is not Israel??????Are you God and know exactly who descended from the Israel blood line 2000 years ago..
Do you think The lord thinks less of his hand picked and chosen sons of god to declassify them as not also being Israel..especially since the actual blood lines are still in Christianity..
As for the church of christ being the kingdom of Heaven…Have you not read the fist couple of chapters of Revelation..Jesus himself spoke of seven Christian churches each diverse from the others..Jesus certainly recognized that there are different strokes for different folks but with one thing in common…They are one with Jesus as john 17- 21 says..This is the kingdom of God.. It is Christ within…
What you have stated about your church makes me believe it is great error..Your beliefs seem to parallel Jeremiah Wright’s united chruch of christ..
As for the leaders in America I could see that satan had taken over the democrat party in the 60s….But I never in a million years dreamed antichrist would become president..
Ruth,
Hi hope you are well.
We have been going back and forth now. Let’s get to some scripture.
Lets start with Exodus 23:31. This sets the bounds of the physical country Israel. Now if I follow what you are saying and I accept the America is somehow the descendents of Isreal (which I don’t) then please explain by scripture how they can occupy lands not given to them by God?
Love,
John
Not only has satan infiltrated the democrat party he has also infiltrated some of the Christian churches..Sad to say when satan teaches scripture he misinterprets so as to close mens minds, not to free them..Thinking you are the only saved group among christians closes the mind and the heart..
I learned about cults when my sister became a Jehovah’s witness…All that was necessary for her to become a jw was to deny Jesus is God and there is no hell and the jws were the only ones one earth saved.. These laid the groundwork for the allah beast when they dethroned Jesus..
One thing the infiltrated churches have in common is they hate America , blame her for all evils and never recognize her good….Why can’t these people see that satan wants to bring America down because we stand in his way of world domination and forcing all to bow to him as the god of abraham, allah.. THIS IS MOST DEFINATELY SATAN SITTING ON GOD’S THRONE CLAIMING HE IS GOD..
Ruth,
There is one Church.
Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head of all things to the church, which is his body…..
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church,
Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my suffering for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake which is the church.
These scriptures teach the body is the church.
Now Ephesians 4:4 There is one body…
Now if the body is the church and there is one body there is only one church. What they are talking about in Revelation are different congregations.
1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you brethren by the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and the same judgement.
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of private interpretation.
There for Ruth there is but one Church or interpreting the Greek the called out. Also we should all be unified in what we say. Furthermore there is a right and wrong.
You and I are in conflict over scripture. I say scripture teaches that it is wrong for a Chrsitian to participate in carnal warfare. You on the other hand say it is fine.
I will present my scriptures on the matter and you and perhaps others will present yours.
We already mentioned to Love you enemies. Now in Romans 13:10 it says Love worketh no ill to his neighbour, therefore love is the fufilling of the law.
Love,
John
John, read the back of the bible.. NEW JERUSALEM….it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAND.. NEW JERUSALEM is the bride of jesus….
Read acts 1-6 where Jesus promised to restore the KINGDOMA TO ISRAEL..
He is not speaking of THE LAND Israel…the jews were in Israel when he said this.. He was speaking of the KINGDOM OF GOD being restored.. which is Christ within.. This is the kingdom that will be restored.. He said it is not for you to know the times or seasons which is a pretty good indication this restoratiom comes in last hour, the hour of the world wide temptation..
As I see it this restoration occurs when the people of Israel will choose between the real messiah and the anti messiah mohammed/his predecessor..
John, Christ is the head , we are the body….
The first thing I learned when the lord sent me on errands was we really do not know who is of the body of Christ.He sent me to people I would have sworn were positively not saved…until I talked to them and got a glimplse of their heart…some didn’t even attend a church..
My own personal experience when I was about 10 showed me much.. I started to church one morming wallking along and to my dismay a pidgeon flew over me and pooped in my hair.. Needless to say I felt like the lord did not want me in church…I quit attending… Years later when I sought the lord, I did so through prayer and the bible… and he soon showed me why the pidgeon event happened.. It was to keep my mind free of men’s dcotrines so he himself could teach me.. Lies close the mind to the point you cannot hear or accept real truth from the Lord..I am truly grateful for the pidgeon event…
Ruth,
Hi hope you are well.
Here is the proper link (I hope)
http://www.strausne ws.com/articles/ 2010/01/01/ pike_county_ courier/news/ 5.txt
I will pray for you and I hope you can do the same for me.
Love,
John
Ruth,
Last time.
http://www.strausne ws.com/articles/ 2010/01/01/ pike_county_ courier/news/ 5.txt
Love,
John
Now and then I come across something so simple and I just love it.
This is one of these things.//
Abigail,
Quite an interesting presentation; he has some good things to say, and some things not so good. It’s too bad he had a bad experience in a church, and to bad there are churches and people like that, but to base your belief system on a bad example of a bad church or preacher is not good. I have had bad experiences in churches; but yet I know what the Bible says, and I know Christ; the Jesus, and the Bible are my anchor, the anchor of my soul.
Jesus said, I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it; Paul said the church is the pillar and ground of truth. Being in a good Bible believing, and Bible preaching church is very important, especially for the new believer to be grounded in the faith. Going to church does by no means replace personal Bible study and personal prayer, but Paul said not to forsake the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is, but so much the more, exhorting one another as ye see the day approaching.
Paul said that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God! Many many in Islamic countries are coming to Christ in rather large numbers through radio broadcast where the Bible is taught and preached. And they will hear about the true Christ, not the false Christ of islam, and God will give them a dream of Christ, and they will be drawn by the Spirit of God, and they will seek out a friend or acquaintance who is a Christian, and hear how to be saved and accept Christ. And of course, some will accept Christ by hearing the radio preachers, and some by hearing the witness of a saved friend, but more than not god uses people to communicate the gospel to others.
Jesus said go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. If the Word of God was not necessary for salvation, then God would just speak to everyone who is His elect, and presto chango, they would all be saved. But Jesus said, ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you, and ye shall be witnesses unto me, both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
God Bless YOU keep YOU!!
I still like that name!
Mr. Boehm,
First, thank you for a response. Very true that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the established church in Christ and by Christ. Because Christ works along with them whom He sends.
But if we are speaking of the ‘established church of man’ … that church is the synagogue of Satan. And I have no part of it.
All men and women and children on the face of the earth are the children (by birth )
of the devil. Irregardless of what religion or what wealth or what nationality and heritage they are born into … these are all the children of the devil. That would include also those born to ‘christian’ parents.
Until a person is born of God they are a child of the devil. From the first man and woman down the centuries whether these persons were good or evil they were all the children of the devil. And being children of their father the devil they persecute the children of light and truth. And you find the children of the devil everywhere. In structured churches and in the market. There is nowhere that they are not.
Having said this, I must add that there is no special group that are born again.
There is no safety in numbers. None.
I encounter Satan’s children everywhere and they are numerous. The devil in them recognizes ‘the child BORN of God’ and finds all kinds of ways to afflict the new creation of God. Constantly the Holy Spirit reminds me of the authority given me by God.
‘And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them’ …
because without Him with us, we have no power!
The strait and narrow way is razor sharp. And none can find the way which leads to Life unless He is called by God. All is done by Him, in Him and without Him you will never see Heaven, nor the Father and without Him you are still a child of the devil.
No matter how much good and morally correct acts one pitifully performs …
No matter how self righteous a person might appear to be, unless these are born of God they have no part of Him. And if they are not born of God … then they are of the devil. Simple.
Yes simple but … I am torn apart inside knowing this.
Abigail,
Very Good! I agree with most everything you said. I do have a question; what do you mean by the “established church of man?” If you are talking about one of the daughter whores of Revelation, the Roman Catholic Church, I would agree. The true believers were hunted down and imprisoned, tortured, and murdered for their faith; for being baptized in water by immersion after they were born again (as opposed to infant baptism; the Bible teaches that baptism is for believers not infants); for refusing to renounce Christ, and submit to the “esablished” catechism of the estabalished “church (R.C.).”
In those days they used William Tindale’s N.T., at the time the only N.T. translated from the original Greek, in 1526. If one was found with this Tindale N.T. he was burned at the steak as a heretic, unless of course he recanted. William Tindale was finally caught and burned at the steak too, for translating the Bible into the language of the people. So were his N.T.s; they were confiscated and burned in piles.
Martin Luther translated the N.T. into German before Tindale translated his English N.T.
An interesting book to read is, The Bible Makes us Baptists, by Mary E. Bamford; it is about a family who’s father knows an Anabaptist man who lives and hides in a wood pile in a field behind their house; he has one of Tindale’s N.T.s; the father visits him and he reads to him out of the N.T., and his famaily feed him sometimes. The father is converted, and the man dies; the father starts reading the N.T. and quits going to the R.C. church, and soon the priests are visiting the home looking for the father, who takes up residence in the wood pile. Soon his family, mother and daughter, are converted, and they have to flee; the story is about their fleeing and hiding out, and the daughter marrying an Anabaptist (re-baptize) man. They eventually flee England, which was nigh unto impossible, and end up in Holland; its quite an interesting story! They get separated, and all get caught, and some escape, and get caught again.
I would take issue with another thing you said; You said, “I must add that there is no special group that are born again.” There is! They are assemblies/ churches! People who once or twice or three times a week assemble out of their home to worship Jesus Christ, the true and living God; those who have been born again into the kingdom and family of God.
The word Church in the N.T. is the Greek word ekklesia – used 115 times in the N.T. If a word is used that many times in the N.T. it is IMPORTANT! A student of the N.T. will take notice. The word is also translated 3 times Assembly, and could be translated every times this way, for that is the meaning of the word! The word is defined in Thayer’s Greek Lexicon: by the way; Thayer wasn’t a Christian, but a Greek Linguist.
1) a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly
1a) an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating
1b) the assembly of the Israelites
1c) any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously, Act 19:32ff
1d) in a CHRISTIAN SENSE:
1d1) an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting
1d2) a company of Christians, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order’s sake
1d3) those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body
1d4) the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth (this is the family of God)
1d5) the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven, He 12:22,23
Jesus said; … I will build MY CHURCH (assembly); and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, Mt 16:18.
The church/assembly, that Jesus stared traveled with Him. They assembles on the first day of the week, and continued this practice after his death and resurrection.
Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against it, and consequently there have always been true churches/assemblies down through the ages, until this very present day. There are also false churches too! Many denominational churches have severe problems in numerous ways.
One of the identifying marks of a true church is if the teach salvation by repentance from sin, and faith in Christ alone, plus nothing and minus nothing; and believe in baptism of those who believe; baptism has no efficacy, and does not wash away ones sins, so obviously, infant baptism is not Scriptural. An infant can not believe the gospel and repent of their sins and be saved. The Bible says; the blood of Jesus Christ washes our sins away.
I Pe 1:2, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
I Jo 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.
I realize that Salvation is of the LORD, and that one can’t believe, without the Sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, and that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
II Th 2:13, But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul said in Hebrews 10:23, Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for He is faithful that promised;)
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
This has gotten too long! I must close;
God Bless YOU!
Remember what Paul said, I Ti 3:15, But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Thank you M.R. Boehm for your response.
To answer your question on the definition of ‘the established church’ of which I have no part of … here is what Encyclopedia Britannica says of it…
‘a church recognized by law as the official church of a state or nation and supported by civil authority. Though not strictly created by a legal contract, the legal establishment is more like a contractual entity than like anything else and, therefore, ordinarily cannot be varied or repudiated by only one party to it. The church is not free to make changes in such things as doctrine, order, or worship without the consent of the state. In accepting such obligations, the church usually, though not always, receives financial support and other special privileges.
Among numerous examples of established churches or state religions are the following: Anglicanism in England, Lutheranism in the Scandinavian countries, Roman Catholicism in Italy and Spain, Judaism in Israel, Islām in Saudi Arabia and Egypt, Buddhism in Thailand and Sikkim, and Shintō in Japan before World War II. In pluralistic societies and under modern forms of government, religious establishment has tended, on the whole, to diminish in importance.’
That church is not my church.
Do not take me wrong I am a descendant of a name who since 1649 has given to the church R.C. … 700 cardinals, bishops and priests. And God only knows how many more prior to that date. And even now today I have a sibling who pastors a church.
But I will not have part in that church or any other established churches.
I was educated under its roof and in its halls and I know it well ….
Maybe you will say I am a rebel ? and maybe I am.
But having said that I must also say that maybe it is my rebellion that kept me in the right heart to listen to the voice of God. But that would be to give something a quality which it does not possess.
I hope this answers part of your question.
Now to answer the second part which you call ‘the assembly’, scriptures says …
‘where two or three of you are assembled there I am in the midst of you.’
That is sufficient for me. And The Lord is one of the party number in this dictate.
Abigail,
Thank you for your reply! I hate to say it, but the verse you are quoting, and many use this verse as you have used it, but it is in the middle of a passage on church discipline.
Mt 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Do you see this little sign here Mat 18:21 ‘¶’ That sign is inserted there because it is a new thought and a new separate event.
So the verse I have quoted is the last verse of a thought.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
And because it is the last verse it is a conclusive verse.
So the verse I have quoted is not in the middle of anything.
And the verse I have provided you is conclusive to the previous verse …
which starts with ‘Again I say unto you’ …
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Hope this helps you.
And thank you.
Abigail,
Neither my Bible, nor my Online Bible program Bible has a paragraph sign where you are saying; there is one at vs 15, and another one at verse 21.
M.R. Boehm,
I use the blue letter bible dot org.
Here is the link to the page in question.
And by the way I personally think that The Blue Letter Bible on line is the best study tool out there.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=18&v=1&t=KJV#top
Hope that helps you.
Abigail,
I have used it a long time ago. The Online Bible Program is one you can buy, and it is also a share ware program, or it used to be; I use macintosh computer. The Online Bible program is quite a powerful tool.
For example I can click on any word in the text and it will give me the greek word with both Strong’s & Theyers definitions, and for the OT it used some different ones for the Hebrew. If you click on the verse number it gives you cross references from The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge by R.A. Torrey. It also has about 18 commentaries like Matthew Henry, Gill, Jamieson Fausset & Brown, Barnes, Calvin, Adam Clark, etc. It is quite an amazing tool!
If you know someone who has the program you can borrow their disk, and install it on your computer, or you can go to Online Bibles web site, and purchase; it is reasonable. It also has about 25 different Bible Translations, which I don’t use much; I stick with the KJV; the modern translations have about 3400 word omitted from the NT, and another 3200 words changed, in the Greek. They are translated from a different set of manuscripts than the KJV & NKJV.
God Bless!
Abigail,
That is quite a definition! I agree with it; I would say all the religions that are named are false religions, though some of them be Christian in name. I do not think that you are rebellious, not at all; I have met some Catholics who in my opinion, after talking to them, I thought that they were genuinely born again, but I wondered how and Why they would stay in that false religious system. They did not get the knowledge of the new birth in that church, so why should they stay in it.
I think you are smart for not continuing in it, but I do think you should try and find a church/assembly where the Bible is preached and taught, and attend there; where you can worship with fellow believer, who also have been born again by the Spirit of God into the kingdom and family of God (Jn 3:3ff). I love congregational singing, and fellowship, and good preaching from the Bible, and of course, one must give his/her tithe; the tithe is the Lords.
It would be wrong to give the tithe to a false religious system. Especially a system that teaches that Mary is the Mother of God, actually making her the god who is worshipped; that is a blasphemous doctrine!
And praying the rosary; Jesus condemned that type of praying in Mt. 6:6-15. When I was a missionary in Nepal, the Buddhists had prayer beads, and the Buddhists and Hindus both had prayer wheels with prayers carved on them, and written prayers put in them. They used to walk down the street twirling it; vain repetition, Jesus said.
Remember, the Christian life, the spiritual life of a true believer and follower of our Lord Jesus Christ, rises and falls on daily Bible reading, daily prayer (talking to God), and church attendance.
May God Bless YOU, Guide YOU into all truth, and keep YOU!
When I was a child, I was full of questions. I wanted to know and understand all mysteries pertaining to God. I never could understand why God was a mystery to us. And so I did my first communion at the age of seven.
But by the time my confirmation came along and none of the priests could tell me why God was a mystery, I decided that they must be fake.
So in my childs’ mind I told God that I would not confirm to a system that did not know Him.
Of course I was a child and we had to go through the practices in church to get us ready for the confirmation.
I had to tag along but I would always swear to God that somehow I would not confirm.
So when the sunday finally came along and the bishop stood at the altar …
I was in the fold with other children and we were supposed to repeat ‘I confirm that …’ My lips stayed shut and my tongue stayed between my teeth and I said not a word. In my heart I told God that I loved Him and that I would seek Him until I would find Him and ask Him why He is a mystery.
And so you see I was a rebel 🙂 But it is God that found me and answered me.
Now think what manner of Love that is, that God would find me??
And that He, The Most High, The Almighty … would answer me!!
I thank you M.R. Boehme for spending some time with me.
And may God bless you with Himself.
Abigail,
Thank YOU for sharing some of your testimony; testimonies of how people came to faith in Christ, or better, how God brought a person to that point of faith, are, in my opinion some the greatest expressions! It takes a good sermon to top a personal testimony, and every one is great!
The Bible calls that process, the sanctifying work of the Spirit, or Sanctification of the Spirit; II Th 2:13 & I Pe 1:2.
Paul said in Eph. 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
This is such an awesome passage of Scripture, but verse 7 is the one I want to focus on. 7 That in the ages to come He might shew the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
When I was in Bible School, I was going to a shall Baptist church; the pastor, Dr. Winget, was also a professor in the Seminary part of, Tennessee Temple Schools. I was in the Bible School.
One day he mentioned this verse in his sermon, and said YOU are going to be a trophy of God’s abounding grace, in the ages to come; God will point to YOU, and say look at Joe Bloe, he couldn’t keep from but sinning, but one day I quickened him by my Spirit, and drew him to myself, and showed him his sinful condition, and the free love and forgiveness that is in Jesus Christ, and he turned to me in repentance and faith, and he was born again by my Spirit into my kingdom; I lifted him up out of the pit of sin and the world, look what I have transformed him into, a trophy of my grace. And vs 10 says, For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
God has given us a new life in Christ to preform the good pleasure of His will in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
God Bless!
To be honest with you, I have no idea what you are talking about.
What I spoke of above is not a testimony. Do you know what ‘the confirmation is?’ It is a declaration that the R.C.C. is the true church on the planet.
And so I thank God I never confirmed that oath.
Even as a child of eight years old I had enough sense to recognize that the R.C.C. is a fallacy and enough strength to defy it.
That is more a show of character then anything else.
My heart was right with God since I then determined to seek Him through Him. And God honored that decision.
Today people are present in body at most functions and they are hypnotized by their own repetitious long prayers and long and empty sermons and long songs. God knows the heart. And all these rituals are void of spirit.
I must have understood that principle even at eight years old since my body was present that sunday but my heart was nowhere near there.
To this day my mother says that I did confirm because she saw me there but me and God know different.
The Lord is my Shepherd …
In Him will I trust.
And only in Him.
always a great prayer-praise the LORD!
i agree with that. great explanation on living for the truth and being apart of a true religous system endorsed by the bible!
Matthew 16-18..And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the GATES OF HELL of hell shall not prevail against it. THIS ROCK is the revealed knowledge God gave Peter…that Jesus is the Christ, the son of god…ALL CHRISTIANS KNOW THIS..
Peter and the apostles who had this revealed kinowledge are the fundation of Christ’s church.. Notice jesus said the GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL…tHIS GATE of hell is the BROAD GATE of matt7…Interestingly the ancient tower of babel means GATE OF GOD…I am sure the broad way of Matt 7 gate of hell is the same as babel gate of god..and is the same lies of satan….Babel evolved and became monotheised..i.e. Islam
Babylon is the mind that has wisdom (from satan’s knowedge tree) in the garden of Eden.. Cain was of THIS WAY…as jude affirms..
The Bible speaks of the religion before the flood…IT was astrology lore as was also the tower of babel…THIS IS THE GATE TO SATAN WHO POSES AS GOD..As he is doing now via Islam ..Claiming he is the God of Abraham..Allah is the ancient astrology moon god named sin that the bible condemns…They called him hubal before mohammed..
Ruth,
An interesting post! I do agree that Jesus revealed to Peter that he was God manifest in flesh, the Messiah/Christ, but the true church that Christ built (I will build MY church) was not built upon Peters profession of faith in Christ, but on Christ Himself. Paul said in Ephesians 2, that the church is upon the foundation of the apostles an prophets, Jesus christ being the chief cornerstone (large rock).
Actually in the Greek there is a play on words; Perer is the Greek word Petros, a small rock or stone, and rock is the Greek word petra, a rock, cliff, or ledge. Jesus told Peter, you are a little stone, but I will build MY church on the bolder who is the OT LORD/Jehovah. In the Psalm Jehovah was King David’s rock.
Ps 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Ps 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
Ps 18:46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.
Ps 28:1 <> Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me:
There are 15 more Psalms where David says that the LORD is his rock.
Think of the chorus: Jesus is the rock of my salvation, His banner over me is Love!
Though I would not disagree with what you have said about the broad way, in my opinion, everyone in the world is on the broad way that leads to destruction (hell) without doing anything other than living a life that is in rebellion to God and His ways, because they don’t know God, which only comes by repentance from the fact of being a sinner, and faith in Christ.
Jesus said, Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth unto Life, and few there be that find it. Because broad is the way and wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction, and many there be that enter in thereat.
Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh unto the father but by ME. Jesus is the narrow gate; Jesus said, I am the door, by me if any man shall enter therein he shall find life, eternal life, the life of God.
boom-shocka-locka–thats the triple truth -Ruth! Mr Boehm is preachin’ a sermon. i love to hear the truth in its purest form. glory to God!
Jesus said for wide [is] THE GATE, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: this is the gate of hell THAT WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST THE REVEALED KNOWLEDGE THAT jESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE son of the living god..
This broad GATE is the same BABEL, GATE OF GOD i.e. TOWER OF bABEL…
Babylon of Rev 17 and 18 killed THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS, saints, apostles, all that were slain on earth back to Abel…
This same babylonian religion is what the Idumean pharisees practiced 2000 years ago.. It is recorded in the N.T. Their doctrines and practices were identical to Islams today…These forced converts to judaism and also part of roman government were of ishamel/esaus descendants..The two herods were arabians of ishamels descendants..Jesus promised them woe, woe woe.. and held them responsible for deaths back to Abel..and others… BABYLON HAS BEEN ON EARTH SINCE THE gARDEN OF EDEN…..it is not the catholic chruch. it is the mind that has WISDOM.. that wisdom is identified in Genesis 3-7…satan’s doctrinal wisdom..
As for the church I have attended it many times but in the last few years have become increasingly bored.. They know so little…and in today’s world that is very serious..
I also recongnized a long time ago the only real truth is what Jesus reveals.. Men make many mistakes..But I did feel it was necessary to pay tithes… We must keep the church alove and well..
M.R. Boehm, Of course Jesus is the Rock…Perhaps MAtthew 16:-16,17,19 is worded as it is to clarify that the Rock the church is built on is The Christ , the Son of God, and not the little wimpy imposter ISSA.. or other false christs of some so called Christian denominations that deny Jesus is the son of god.. There is a Biblical verse that says THEIR ROCK IS NOT OUR ROCK…NOT SURE WHERE IT IS IN THE BIBLE..
About the broad way of Matt7..The false prophets in sheep’s clothing that are build on SAND and are workers of iniquity…These false prophets are the same false prophets of Rev 13 (the beast group)..The sheep’s clothing are the two horns like a lamb…
The Matt 7 false prophets are called workers of iniquity because they believe and teach the mystery of iniquity (2 Thess 2) that mystery being that an imposter is god..AS ALSO THE BEAST CLAIMS TO BE
John shows the SAND foundation of MAtt 7 in Rev 13:1.. He stands on the SAND OF THE SEA..This Sand foundation is of Ishamel’s descendants who are as SAND OF THE SEA SHORE.. Rev 20-8 shows that satan deceives and GATHERS the men who are numbered as the SAND OF THE SEA to battle Jesus..REV 13 IS THE GATHERING OF SATAN’S CHURCH…bABYLON IS HIS WIFE.. AND bABYLON IS NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH..
Deut 32:31. about their rock is not our rock… This is a very interesting chapter and it could well apply to today…I wonder did moses congregation know JESUS THE ROCK??? and were their enemies teaching another Jesus (rock)… ! Corinth 10:4 seems to imply that rock of Moses group is Christ…
SO MANY MYSTERIES – SO LITTLE TIME…
Abigal.. I was not a Catholic but I too as a very young girl felt as you did about the Catholic religion.. I knew God would reveal the mystery of what catholics call trinity..I guess I stumbled on that and the stone statues and could never have become catholic..
Isaiah 43-10 is prophecy of God being FORMED…FORMED means made flesh…IT says that we may know and believe and UNDERSTAND that I am He…So consequently I have never believed in three gods in one, nor have I believed in a three headed god…There is one God, He is an invisible omnipresent spirit.. He was FORMED in flesh, namely Jesus..
The holy ghost comforter is God’s spirit that indwells believers..
As for Catholics, they have a huge amount of truth… They kept the name of Jesus on this earth for 2000 years.. They saved the world from Islamic domination via the crusades…They have dome much good and they have done things that were not good.They are not Babylon…That is a lie from satan to cover his real babyon wife…
Isaiah 14 is about the king of Babylon…This king is lucifer and his babel religion has been in existence throughout time..
Rev 18-7..for she saith in her heart, I sit a QUEEN, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Lucifer is the king of Babylon and she is his queen..THIS IS ALL A COUNTERFEIT OF CHRIST and his bride..
Isaiah 14:4..That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isaiah 14:22..
For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. The name could be allah, the remnant would be Islam, the son could be Ishamel and the nephew could be Esau and his daughter of ishmael wife..I am not sure about it..
But I do know this much.. Babylon was all about astrology lore complete with a sun god and a moon god…Allah was the moon god of ancient arabia and his predcessor is the APOLLYON who is the sun god(Apollo)
Mohammed said his return would be as the sun would rise in the west.. He knew apollyon alias apollo, alias lucifer the angel of light would rise up in the western world..Islam is remnant of Babylon …
Ruth have you ever heard of masonic rituals?
The freemasons are a religion of their own. But mostly Catholic although there are also other denominations and religions involved in this.
If you are not aware of this then please do a little research.
You may be surprised.
Ruth,
Good morning! I always enjoy your posts. I do think Islam is without a doubt, the beast of Revelation 13, and 17, but Re 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
It says that Babylon is the Mother of harlots; I’m saying that Rome is one of the daughter whores of Babylon.
Rev. Alexander Hislop’s book, The Two Babylons, or The Papal Worship Proved to be the Worship of Nimrod and his Wife; this is an old book, and very detailed, but it will prove the point of the connection between Rome and Mystery Babylonian Religion. A more easy to read and much shorter book is Ralph Woodrows book, Babylon Mystery Religion; it is out of print but you can get it off Amazon; a used one is $45.00, I would steer clear of his new book, the Babylon Connection. I bought this book years ago, when I was in Nepal, 83-89, and then I bought a used one off Amazon some years ago when it was only $28.00. Hispol’s Two Babylons is only $4.00. They both document in their books the onslaught of Rome in its insane persecution and slaughter of the true Christians by the hundreds of thousand through out Europe in the dark ages. They also document the gross idolatry of Rome; the Catholic church truly is a daughter of Babylon, though the modern R.C. church has changed her face, Rome is still the same.
Rome has great doctrinal error; how about Mariolatry? 1. Mary’s Immaculate Conception; where is that in the Bible? 2. Mary Ever Virgin? Jesus was born while she was a virgin, but Mk 6:3,4 & Mt 13:55,56 list Jesus’ brothers and sister; they weren’t virgin born. 3. Mary is Queen of Heaven, right out of Jeremiah 44; you have the same mother/child religion of Babylon, Semeramis & her supposedly virgin born son Tammuz who was worshipped as the incarnation of the Sun, or Baal, and thus the winter solstice festival of lights, (Christ-mass has its origin in this). 4. Mary’s bodily assumption to heaven; where is this in the Bible? 5. Mary the Mediatrix; again where in the Bible is this taught? 6. Mary the mother of God; a most blasphemous idea! 7. Mary the mother of Christians. 8. Praying the Rosery. 9. Titles of Mary:
Mother most chaste,
Mother inviolate,
Mother undefiled,
Mother most amiable,
Mother most admirable,
Mother of good counsel,
Mother of our Creator,
Mother of our Savior,
Virgin most prudent,
Virgin most venerable,
Virgin most renowned,
Virgin most powerful,
Virgin most merciful,
Virgin most faithful,
Mirror of justice,
Seat of wisdom,
Cause of our joy,
Spiritual vessel,
Vessel of honor,
Singular vessel of devotion,
Mystical rose,
Tower of David,
Tower of ivory,
House of gold,
Ark of the covenant,
Gate of heaven,
Morning star,
Health of the sick,
Refuge of sinners,
Comforter of the afflicted,
Help of Christians,
Holy Mary, pray for us.
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of virgins,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of divine grace,
Mother most pure,
Queen of angels,
Queen of patriarchs,
Queen of prophets,
Queen of apostles,
Queen of martyrs,
Queen of confessors,
Queen of virgins,
Queen of all saints,
Queen conceived without original sin,
Queen assumed into heaven,
Queen of the most holy Rosary,
Queen of families
Queen of peace.
Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
This is about the same as the doctrine of Mohammed; its absolutely blasphemous! Mary is the god of the Roman Catholic Church.
We could go from here to the doctrine of Communion, the Eucharist; the doctrine of Purgatory; the doctrine of the Confessional; the doctrine of the Pope, the Vicar of Christ; and on and on we could go; there is very little truth in Rome; even a clock that doesn’t run is right twice a day; it takes a little truth to cement lies together; there is no salvation in Jesus Christ by repentance and faith taught in the Catholic Church. It is a huge huge false religious system, with a Christian name.
You can read all these doctrines by going to the web site Mary Mother of God. Need I say more?
May God guide us into all truth, and may He deliver us from all error.
God Bless YOU!
Abigail, I do know some about freemasons…The shriners were started as a police force by mohammeds grandson… Their red hats they wear were said to be red because of the blood they shed and then wiped their swords on their hats..
I know the baphomet they are supposed to worship was also worshipped by the templers and that this name in french meant mohomet which is mohammed..
I have known several good men who were in the free masons and do not understand how they do not understand what it is and where it came from..I have also heard they go back to the pryamids and were the architects of them.. which would probably mean they originated from the fallen angelss..
The men I know who are masons are not catholic…
I do not think they are the danger of the world but I do not know…..At this point in time I think our president is the biggest danger the world has , that coupled with the islam lunartics..
ruth, abigail,
I wonder on what masonic degree they are told that in order to attain worldly influence, riches and powers of witchcraft they must sell their soul to the devil. That’s exactly what is on target – turn to the dark side. I assume that person must be an idiot not to know this from the very first degree, and not say on 32nd or 33rd degree. At that deciding moment, when person decides to sell or not to sell his soul to the devil, like point of entering or departing, they are told in that spiritual realm that: JESUS IS GOD!
Entering secret societies is dangerous anyhow, even if at the end one decides not to sell out to the devil – because according to them – person owes them for being given a privilege of being a member for some time, so they simply decide to kill him! If he is lucky and escapes, than he is persecuted in the name of Jesus Christ for the rest of his life…
Ruth ‘the very good men’ that you have known all worship Lucifer. This is the oath they make.
I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed….. {Invocant signs pact with his own blood}[61]
Taken from ‘The secret teachings of all ages.’ by palmer Hall.
Skull and bones, Jesuits, knights of malta and other secret societies are all one and the same.
Here is a quick education of this matter … 1 of 9/videos
Zeitgeist Refuted
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7572663630528394775&ei=x4uoSMmkAoq64gLrza22BA&q=Zeitgeist+Refuted&hl=en#
Gavriel,
Here is a short list of all ‘the brotherhoods’ ruled by Lucifer …
under the Jesuit Superior General
Jean Baptist Janssens
1946 to 1964
The 27th Superior General of the society of Jesu.
In command of
The Sovereign Military Order of Malta
The Scottish-Rite Shriner Freemasonry
The Order of the Illuminati
The Knights of Columbus
The Knights of KKK
B’nai B’ rith
The nation of Islam and its private army called ‘The Fruit of Islam’
The Mafia Commission
Opus Dei
And a host of lesser Brotherhoods.
This man is replaced after 1964 but I just haven’t YET found by whom.
I have found it … simple search to which wikipedia offered the name 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Nicolás
Jesus said we are all already condemned…until we believe in the name of the christ the son of god.. john 3- 18, 19… and god knows we are all like satan in understanding good and evil..Genesis 3-22.We are all in serious trouble if God does not save us by grace and not knowledge.
The Black Pope.
The pre-existing bondage then is strengthened by new deceptions that seem more appropriate. If you were asked now, “HOW DOES SATAN ENSLAVE PEOPLE?” you should know the answer because it was just given it to you. The answer is Satan’s control is trauma-based. A trauma is applied to the lives of people. They reach out for some type of answer to the trauma, and the demons offer some type of answer–so many Hail Marys, or so many sacrificed cats, or pray to some idol which is a disguised demon. The lies are turned into myths which the people believe. The myths are a blurring of reality which the people on one level may know are false, but their minds can’t break loose of the power of the lie. The power of the myths are fueled by tradition and demonic manifestations and demonic attacks.
Anyone who steps outside of the demonic lie is attacked. The people feel they are being personally attacked when their traditions are ignored. Because a people has willingly sacrificed the truth for the falsehood in their need for relief from their trauma, they have chosen to be deceived. This choice to be deceived has a great deal of spiritual power to it. They are no longer truth-lovers. It is not enough to come to these people with the truth. They have rejected the truth. They must at some point will to seek the truth again. These people can have all the proof shown to them about the truth, and they will continue to reject it. Their demonic bondage needs to be broken somehow.
This bondage can be broken in a number of ways. Pointing out the inadequacies of the lies is sometimes sufficient to break the demonic spell over people. But after the lies are broken, they need to be followed by the truth–and the love of truth. The Monarch Mind Control programming is simply the sophisticated application of what has been done to humanity on a large scale being scaled down and applied to a single human body.
Trauma and lies are used in the same way. The different alters sell their souls to the lies in return for their safety. A basic ingredient to the programming of a group of people (or a group of alters) is the same–trauma and fear. The Land of Oz was ruled by a shadow-leader, the Wizard of Oz.
Most countries are ruled by unseen people and unseen powers. The Wizard of Oz story is so representative of how life is for Satan’s world. No wonder it is the programming base for so many Monarch mind-controlled slaves. The solution to Satan’s control, was that the disciples of Christ would be so united in love that the world would see the solution. “That they all may be one.. .that the world may believe.”
For the Monarch slaves, the therapists have wanted integration. For the world, Christ wanted integration. But there are formidable spiritual strongholds which divide us. These spiritual strongholds are far stronger than most Christians can imagine.
The heartbeat of the Body of Christ is to bring all humanity to their Creator God. This can be done by breaking down all the lies and programming that separate the parts of the Body of Christ so that those of Christ are so well integrated in love and spirit that the world believes on the power of Christ. Each of the programming acts has a spiritual, mental, and physical side to it.
The slave has his or her will stripped from them so it becomes unnecessary to think in terms of their guilt, they are slaves who no longer have the freedom of choice. If they kill, or steal, or tell an untruth (lie), they have not done it intentionally. Still the Programmers know that there are spirits involved to spiritually prepare the slave to do these acts. For instance, they implant Spirits of Greed and lust into the victim.
An Illuminati value system is drilled into the victim. Any person who is not taught to dedicate personal rights and possessions to God, will end up with all types of surface forces such as insecurity, worry, anger, envy, jealousy and tension. This goes for multiples or non-multiples. These surface forces will in turn cause all types of surface weaknesses such as lying, stealing, cheating, and arguing. If these surface weaknesses are displayed by anyone, they are evidence that a deeper spiritual problem exists. However, the slave is not being set up to display these vulnerabilities as they will, but ONLY as they are programmed. An Illuminati Beta model can have sex only with who her master allows her to have sex with. Nor is she granted the privilege of refusing to sexually service someone.
If the slave is allowed free will, they often will reject the life style programmed into them. The reason they can reject the Spirits of Seduction & Lust that have been layered in to insure that these moral weaknesses exist, is because the will of the alter being programmed was being coerced. There was duress involved. Satan has some claim, but not the stronghold that comes from those whose active will is involved in a sin. That doesn’t mean that some slaves don’t develop a taste for their perversion. The point is that the ability to have these personality weaknesses, should the programmers want them, can be spiritually set into the slave by teaching the slave to resist the grace and love of God. It may be shocking to realize that the slaves are specifically programmed to resist God’s grace and love, and to hate Him. This is not left to chance, and is accomplished by a number of events in the slave’s life.
Another spiritual area that is tampered with is the self-image of the person. They are not allowed to think of themselves as made in the image of God (unless they are front alters created or allowed to be Christian). Instead of allowing the victim to learn about Jesus, the victim is consistently belittled and compared to others. This is in violation of a spiritual principle found in 2 Corinthians 10:12, “For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves; but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.”
John 5:44 and 2 Cor. 10:17,18 teach how it is to be done correctly. Fritz, co-author, knows of one programmer who is still programming who is fully aware of these scriptures and how they apply spiritually. When people are not allowed to accept themselves, they end up resisting the will of God. The wrong attitudes are built into the slave, so that they will always resist the will of God.
Again if the programmers want a Christian front, they may program the correct thinking into the front alter. To do this doesn’t threaten their hold on the system in the least. To have Satanic alters and Christian alters which are diametrically opposed to each other’s thinking only insures that if they would discover each other in the mind, that they would reject wanting to learn about the other part, and would go into denial of the part’s existence. The programming and mind-control is being linked to a belief system.
Taking this one step further, we can also say that the programming is also a conflict between two faiths, the faith that the alters place when they visualize and create their occult-system, that is their faith in demonism and magic, versus the faith of those who follow the God of the Bible. The method of creating hard-core Satanic alters from traumatized Christian alters is an obvious example of this. Some secular therapists have been slow to admit this conflict.
If we look at the Illuminati’s brand of Druidism, we will notice that the Book of Pheryllt which is a Druidic book for rituals gives four symbols which can be made to evoke the four elemental forces also called the four basic portals. Visualization is said to be the key to the occult, and to opening portals with these four signs. As the deeper parts of a slave are drawn into such activity, they are in reality placing their faith in that belief system. How can you take something away, without giving something in return? An alternative faith in a God and belief system that is not connected to mind-control is an important therapeutic aid.
You can not hate something passionately if you are unaware of it. When two groups are very similar, in order to high light their individual identity they will have a high level of animosity toward each other. In order to create strong Satanic alters who hate God, the Illuminati actually encourage the young two year old victim to understand and accept the love of God. Upon this faith in a loving God will be built the rejection and trauma to create wounded alters, who hate God because they feel rejected.
Rejection is a tool of Satan across the board in the world. Rejection creates a sine wave of hills and valleys. (The way of the Lord is made straight leveling these hills and valleys.) When a person (or nation) is rejected they will often shift to one of two extremes: either they try to perform to meet up to expectations or they will retaliate against rejection. Both are extremes (the hills and valleys of the shadow of death) of the what resembles a sine way.
Both rejection and retaliation are tools of bondage. The enemy will work a person to get them to feel either rejected or angry. If either side of the sine wave is latched onto by a person (or nation) they will set in motion a dynamic where they will end up with the other side of the curve. This is because the human mind has an inbred desire to balance things out. If we feel rejection, then we may retaliate or try extra hard to perform. This sets up a BONDAGE LOOP.
The Cabalistic Tree of Life is the knowledge of good and evil–performance. The programmer by repeatedly REJECTING the slave, build into the slave a high level of performance. The slave is not allowed to get angry at the programmer, which is the opposite peak of the sine wave. The human mind will naturally try to balance the performance peak with increasing the anger/retaliation peak to match it in opposite intensity.
Because the slave can not get angry at their programmer, they turn this anger inward and upward toward themselves and God. The performance of the slave for the master is a form of false love. Performance love is false love. “If you do this for me, then I’ll love you.”
Christ loved us when we were yet sinners and unlovable. This is the type of godly true love described by Paul in 1 COR 13 which seeks not its own. Self-preservation is a tool of death. That is one reason Christ did not preserve himself – even though he could have called angels – he wanted to show the world true love.
Fear gets its root in death. The threat of death of a spouse, of oneself, of one’s dreams, of one’s identity, or of one’s fleshly body creates fear. Death comes from Satan. Life from Yahweh God. Fear is built on a threat of some kind of death. Self-preservation then is actually based upon fear which is in turn based on death.
This is why Christ said one must lose their life to gain it. To escape the satanic bondage loop of self-preservation built on fear, we must reach out for the love of God. Self-justification is not normally seen by people as a bondage loop, but it often is. Only the sureness that Almighty God loves us gives us the strength not to get caught in the self-preservation tactic of self-justification.
There is a place for defending the truth, but it must be done in love. Christ and his disciples taught that we are justified by faith in God, not by self-justification. Self-justification can easily be related to the self-preservation bondage loop.
We simply have to have an inner knowing that we are made in the image of God, and that He is working in each of our lives. Since we are His work, He will justify us. All of the Monarch slaves, are a work of God. The cult has simply refashioned what God created. The slave needs to recapture the loving view God has of what He created. God doesn’t make mistakes. He has placed lots of beauty and value in each person. Each person is His handiwork, isn’t the human body fearfully and wonderfully made?
After someone has been made to participate in crimes against humanity, the Programmers intuitively have created a situation where the person may fall into self-justification, for example, “They deserved to die.” This is a subtle, but dangerous tool of bondage. Much of the trauma-based mind-control is based on simple fundamental spiritual life-spiritual death issues. The Spirit of the Lord does not give fear. It comes from the enemy.
Abductees, who claim to have met aliens, claim that the aliens feed off of human fear. Fear brings spiritual death. To show this dynamic in another way, let’s describe a common thought for alters of Monarch slaves. This thought is “If I stay with the programming I’m safe.” This is the same thought that society in general is taught via fear of self-preservation. “If I stay with the crowd, if I stay with the system, then I will be safe.” This is why peer pressure, which seems safe, can lead many young people into death.
All this fear of self-preservation by remaining in the programming (whether individual or societal) will be transferred to loyalty of the Anti-Christ, that is the plan. The Truth shall set you free. Anytime we reject the truth for safety and peace because of our fear for self-preservation, we accept a lie. If the truth sets a person free, then by definition, slavery means to “not to have truth.” All lies lead to bondage. They create strongholds.
Many religious groups are built upon a collection of truths and lies. The truths are used as the enticing attractive front, the lies are used as the enslaving bondage. This is why there is almost no end to all the lies used to program Monarch-type trauma-based total Mind-controlled slaves.
An important mind-control programming dynamic is the creation of images. This will take some explaining. One spiritual dimension of humans is that we like to behold our God. This was built into us. Archeologists have noticed that ancient man has always worshipped. It is built into man to worship, and we like to behold whatever we worship, whether that is God, ourselves, or some other image. In other words, worship is image oriented. This is the power of images. One of the most ignored commandments of God, of which Fritz wrote a book about in 1977, was the commandment God gave
“thou shalt not…make any likeness of any thing that is heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” EX 20:4
Students of God’s Word are warned to “examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.” 1 THES 5:2 1.
What is significant is that God’s commandments in Ex. 20, which were a distillation of His laws, could have simply stated “Thou shallt not make any graven image”, but instead went on to make a big issue in that same passage about any image of God’s creatures (the word translated “things” has historically been understood as “living things”). In DT 4:15 “pasal” images, that is images formed out of any material with a tool (ax, chisel, or engraving tool) and the “likeness of male or female” and “similitude of any figure” are forbidden.
Next, it again forbids the likenesses of living creatures. The word “image” occurs about 100 times in the Bible, and is usually accompanied by judgments such as “I will cut down. ..destroy…break down…smote.” In a number of verses (EC 7:20, PS 106:29, 39), the scriptures speak about how man is always seeking inventions that provoke God to anger.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/if_chapter_10.htm
Marianne,
Sorry, if above post is too long or seems off-topic (I think it’s directly related to the topic), but information above is very essential.
gavriel
I am glad you brought this up. I might make a post out of it. We need to be aware of the devil’s devices.
It is very important indeed, because this is real…entire book is available here:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm
Has it ever occured to anyone that allah is an image of god… He is not god, but just an image of the god of abraham ..The image of course is all in a persons’s mind but to them it is real…but is is only a delusion.. 2 thess 2… God will send strong delusion to those who reject the gospel of Christ and they wlll believe the lie that damns them….
hi ruth
There are many delusions to pick from now, and satan is behind all of them. We need to be alert to each one.
All the devices of the devil can be summed up as this …
2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Cr 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
And we ought to know this ‘their worm die not!!’
SATAN PAINTED HIMESELF INTO A CORNER.. ROTFLMBO..
http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/12/31/malaysian-court-rules-christians-can-use-allah/
Poor stupid satan, his kingdom is divided…
For centuries muslims have been trying to convince people that allah is the same God of Abraham that Christians and Jews worship…and now it has backfired on the dummies..
The.. word ALLAH was in existence long before mohammed lived..thereby giving Christians in Malaysa the right to refer to God as allah..But the muslims are having none of it and have begun their usual killing and terrorizing…Their complaint is IF people think the ALLAH of the Christians is the same ALLAH of Islam they will convert to Christianity.. …opps, still laughing at their stupidity..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah ALLAh, The term was also used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[4] ,,, This supreme deity was Hubal the moon god, alias Sin the moon god..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubal Hubal was the name of pre islamic father of the astrology ..His pre islamic title was ALLAH…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_mythology ALLAH is listed as one of the pre islamic gods..
Can anyone say now that Islam is a religion of Abraham..Maybe it was Abraham’s religion before God called Abrham out of the astrology lore..But allah is not the same God as the Christians and Jews.. he is/was/and stil is the head of the astrology gods and he is satan…
Abigail,
2Corinthinans 11 is a very informative chapter…We must read the entire chapter to grasp the full meaning..
Verse 3 shows us clearly that as Eve was deceived so shall the body of CHrist also be tempted and /or deceived..
“””But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ…”””
Verse 4 tells us what that temptation will be…
“”””For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him]. “”””
V 5 through 11 Paul changed the subject to pretty much about Paul…This was probably done so as to hide things until the proper time…
V. 13…And then Paul continues telling of the group in verse 4…
“””For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ””””
V14. Shows us that Satan comes as a messenger of God..It is he who brings the false gospel (Koran) and teachings about another Jesus (Issa) and another spirit (Allah)..
V15..His ministers and what they teach will be thought to be a legitimate religion of Abraham.
V16 through 22 Again Paul is speaking mostly of himself as a distraction.. But he does slip in one important truth. In
V22””””Are they Hebrews? So [am] I. Are they Israelites? So [am] I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So [am] I. Ishmael and Esau were both Hebrews and both seed of Abraham..and some of the Israelites left the true god…This shows us the deception of this chapter is not deceptions from wayward Christians..Granted there are other verses of the wayward Christians..
John 8 speaks of Satan’s children who are pharisees, who say they worship Abraham’s god and say they are sons of Abraham.. , but Jesus said they were not sons, but seed.. These are the sect of pharisees who were forced into Judaism.. They were of Idumea which are Ishmael’s’ and Esau’s descendants..History records this..
These pharisees doctrines and customs are identical to Islam’s doctrines and customs today such as professing to worship the god of Abraham,, professing to be sons of Abraham but are only seed, deny Jesus is son of God, deny his death , circumcising,, stoning women honoring the prophets, say long prayers, wash often, Adhere to many old testament practices.These are the forefathers of Islam both physically and doctrinally….
Galatians also speaks of Satan the angel of light that was once in heaven..
Galatians 1-8″””””But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. “”””
The Koran is a perversion of the Gospel of Christ.. It teaches, a spirit of god, Issa, judgement day, resurrection, heaven, hell, angels, demons,belief in old testament, etc.. Koran is Satan’s version of the gospel of the kingdom…
This angel of light with his perverted gospel is spoken of again in Revelation 10…He looks like Jesus with the Gospel…He is not the Christ.. He is the angel of light with the perverted gospel. ..He encompasses land and sea to proselytize…
John is commanded to eat this sweet and bitter book….It is sweet in his mouth indicating that is appears and tastes like the word of god which is sweeter than honey.. But making John’s belly bitter shows if you eat this devilish book you become demonized as .Matt23-15 also affirms..
They encompass land and sea to proselytize and make men into children of Satan two fold as this angel also does..This angel also declares there will be Time no more.. He lies… Jesus said NO, THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN do not know the day or hour..
Zech 5-1 through 5 speaks of this book (roll means book) that goes over the entire earth (land and sea) and is the CURSE of (gal 1-8)..This roll when taken into your temple (your body) destroys you from the inside..This is the abomination that makes one desolate..
Matt 24: 14,15..speaks of the this false gospel of the kingdom that goes over the entire earth..This gospel is the great deception spoken of in Matthew 24 that the false prophets and false Christ’s bring….V 15 says when you therefore see THIS ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION..
I THINK THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IS THIS FALSE GOSPEL …that Satan the angel of light brought through Mohammed.. ..I also think when 2 Corinthians 11 -14 says Satan is TRANSFORMED into an angel of light…….in reality it means when he indwelled Mohammed and came posing as a messenger from god..
2 Corinthians 11-4..For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
This verse says if you receive another spirit… This would be Satan’s counterfeit of born again.. his kids receive his spirit via his word of god and become children of Satan..
Counterfeit of Born again of the word of god……John showed us in Rev 10 when he ate the little book that looked like god’s word but gave him bitterness..(Satan’s indwelling spirit)..
Sweet and bitter =good and evil… Isaiah 5-12..Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Eve thought the wisdom of Satan’s tree was good but it only proved to be evil.Likewise with the false gospel of 2 Corinthians. 11 -3,4.. There is more about Eve’s temptation and this final temptation but it is very involved and meaty…
But this much I will say.. Rev 12-9 says the dragon with his seven heads (fallen angels) is also the serpent of genesis 3….This is first temptation of Eve and todays temptation…
I think the false christs are those who are preaching false gospels.. And are included in the prophetic verses .These change the gospel of Christ and add to it or take away from it..This final lie of Islam is how these tares will be gathered out of the kingdom….It is almost over.. But not quite.
SORRY, I DIDN’T MEAN N TO WRITE W WHOLE BOOK.. LOL
Ruth,
this is your quote:
“Ishmael and Esau were both Hebrews and both seed of Abraham..”
That is untrue and is a lie!
And you also attack and slander the Jews known as Pharisees (you did this at least 3 times)!
You have NOT a right to do so, Jesus Christ HAD the right and THE AUTHORITY to do so, and on certain occasions His apostles had the right to do so, but YOU, Ruth, have NO SUCH RIGHT!
I say this so, as a Jew coming from the orthodox jewish background, who accepted YESHUA as Messiah and LORD!
And I ENCOURAGE you not to slander, blame or “outcast” certain “types” of Jews, ANYMORE!
Gavriel,
Come on my brother, let’s be polite; calling her a liar?
Esau was Isaac’s son, who was Abraham’s son; Ishmael was also a son of Abraham.
She is merely stating a fact.
I had a preacher friend tell me, “every man is his own heretic,” there is some truth in that. Some just have more heretic in them than others.
Do you get the Levitt Letter? How about Zion’s Fire?
ruth
Only a handful of pharisees were actually unrighteous. There were also righteous pharisees, like Nicodemus.
Paul the apostle, Nicodemus, and Gamaliel were all Pharisees.
Any group, religious or not, will have good and bad.
The Pharisees prided themselves on their strict observance of the law, and on the care with which they avoided contact with things gentile. Their belief included the doctrine of immortality and resurrection of the body and the existence of angels and spirits. They upheld the authority of oral tradition as of equal value with the written law. So, they meant well, in general, and were zealous for obeying God.
We have Christians like that today as well.
Some people, in their zeal, just get caught up in being so observant in their behavior that they forget the heart of the law. But, also, because of their zeal, they have the potential to be quickly corrected, as Apostle Paul was.
Marianne,
Please acknowledge as the general fact that most of the Pharisees who lived during time of Jesus were slaughtered during Roman carnage and slaughter carried out against the Jews living in Judea in 2 Roman wars carried out against the Jews approximately in 70 AD and 130 AD (as recorded in J.Flavius, Talmud and etc)…
There were single survivors, as Rabbi Yochanan Ben Zakkai – the only Pharisee student of the MASTER who actually lived during Jesus’ time, and their tradition derived from the tradition of the school/academy of Hillel (tradition acknowledged by Jesus HIMSELF and later by Gamliel – search it out…), there was also Rabbi Akiba – who REGRETED to rely on FALSE messiah Bar Kochba (…search this out also…) and was tormented by being cut into pieces by Romans, and there was his student – Rabbis Shimon Bar Yochai – who wroted the Book of Zohar…so all of these group of Pharisees either perished through assimilation, roman holocaust or became the leaders of the Jewish diaspora, that remained after Roman Holocaust of Judea…SO ALL OF US SHOULD REMEMBER (FEW OF) THEM WITH RESPECT!
gavriel
I did not know that Rabbi Yochanan Ben Zakkai was a follower of Yeshua…he is not mentioned in Christian scriptures.
he is supposed to have said:
why would he name Hezeikiah as the “king who is coming?” Berakot 28b
Marianne,
You misunderstood.
I did not say that he was a follower of Yeshua.
I said that he, as a survivor, of greatest Pharisaic authorities, derived from the school of Hillel (who lived 30 years before Yeshua), like Gamliel, who protected Christians; And as I learned, Yeshua and apostles were not odds with tradition of Hillel, maybe even somehow affiliated with his teachings, as opposed to Pharisees who followed traditions of Shammai (after destruction of Second Temple none of them remained); Simply search: Hillel – Shammai – Jesus … it is interesting;
There was obviously Rabbinic tradition that Hezekiah was a candidate or the actual Messiah…Rabbi Hillel expressed such opinion and was condemned for it:
“Rabbi Hillel said, ‘there shall be no Messiah for Israel, because they have already enjoyed him in the days of Hezekiah.’ Rabbi Joseph said, ‘may G~d forgive him (Hillel) for saying so. Now, when did Hezekiah flourish? During the First Temple. Yet Zechariah, prophesying in the days of the second, proclaimed, ‘rejoice greatly O daughter of Zion. Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem. Behold, thy King cometh unto thee! He is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. (Zechariah 9:9)'” (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 99a)
Talmud says at Sanhedrin 94A: “HaShem (G-d) thought to make Hezekiah the Messiah and Sanheriv (the Assyrian king) Gog and Magog”.
R. Ben Zakkai’s expression, however, is mysterious, it simply could be one of the many names given to Messiah by Rabbis; In other way, it somehow resembles “Second Coming”…
Ruth,
You say some good things in here in your post!
You needed to back up one more verse to see who Paul was talking to;
II Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Paul said he had espoused them to Christ, so, in my opinion, they are members of the Corinthian Church he is writing to.
I like verse 4; one of my favorites!
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
Neither Paul, nor any of the inspired N.T. penmen said anything about Trinity or 3 persons. Who preaches another Jesus?
I do agree that it can most definitely apply to Islam today, but not in the day Paul wrote it.
The Jews of the O.T. became so corrupt in their paganism and Idolatry, that God sent them to Babylon and destroyed their Temple and City. The Jews of Christ’s day were still plagued from the things they learned durning there sojourn in Babylon.
I would not say the Jews and Muslims are identical; there might be some religious parallels, but not identical.
I have to disagree with you when you say the angel of Revelation 10 is the same angel of light; you are taking your analogy to far. The mighty angel of Rev 10 came down from heaven; he wasn’t a fallen angel. Some have mistaken him for Christ, because there are a lot of similarities, but he is callede an angel, and Christ is not called an angel anywhere. He is similar to the angel Daniel sees in chapter 10. This angel swears by Him that liveth for ever and ever; he swears by God. He has a message for the Apostle John. It is sweet in Johns mouth because it is the Word of God, but it is biter when John digests it (understands it); the judgments of God are bitter.
The angel is proclaiming a truth, in the days of the voice of the 7th angel when he begins to sound, the mystery of God should be finished as he declared to his servants the prophets. What is the mystery of God this angel is talking about, that will be finished at the 7th trumpet? I have a short study (to long to post here now; it is 2 1/2 pages on the Mystery of God; if anyone would like to read it just email me and I will email it back.
To sum it up though, with one verse instead of all the verses where Paul speaks of the mystery in its multiple facets, Paul says in Eph 3 that the mystery that had been kept secret since the foundation of the world, but that was now revealed to and through Paul, the Jew, was (to condense it) the church, the Jew and Gentile in one body. The one body is the church, the local church, not the family of God which some incorrectly call the universal church, which is a Scofieldism (from C.I. Scofield, and his reference Bible). Don’t get me wrong; there are many good things in the Scofield Bible. There are some not so good things too.
A Christian needs to be full of the Word of God, so he/she can learn to, eat the meat, and spit out the bones.
Maybe the roll (book) in Zec 5 is a reference to the Koran that was to come. What ever it is, it has some connection with the Ephah of vs 6 that is carried off by the two women to Babylon (land of Shinar) to have a house (temple) built for it; and it was to be established.
God Bless!
You guys better learn to read….
Marianne,
Hi hope you are well.
Where do you get your scriptures the majority of the Pharisees were rightoues? I know of none. In fact the majority of them voted to put Jesus to death. One example is John 7:50. Nicodemus wants to investigate Jesus but the Pharisees shut him up.
Did not Jesus warn us about the leaven of the Pharisees?
Give me book chapter and verse that even implies the Pharisees were righteous.
Love,
John
Hi John Kanieck,
The group of Pharisees who were “in business” and had big influence in Jerusalem were those of school/academy of Shammai – and most likely, they were the ones who Jesus accused in hypocrisy; But, there was group of Pharisees, just as big, that derived from school of Hillel, but had no representation in Sanhedrin – their students were the ones who wrote the Talmud and from their teachings it’s clear that most of them were righteous, they too, condemned self-righteousness and superfluous rituals and stressed on charity and good deeds;
I have no time to explain it in detail, but search for: Hillel – Jesus … or Hillel – Shammai – Jesus …
Gavriel,
If they were truly righteous; they would have received Christ. True righteousness is imparted to us by Christ; I know that you already know this.
Paul said about the Jew,
I Th 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
Remember, Paul was one of them; he knew them inside and out;
Many of the Jews did come to Christ though, Ac 6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
They also tried to lynch Paul.
M.R. Boehm,
Please read what I wrote, only certain group of Pharisees were in charge in Jerusalem Temple and Sanhedrin and most likely the ones who Jesus had encounter with…
Besides, in Book of Acts it says that apostles converted 3,000 Jews daily – how do you know that there were no Pharisees among them? We will probably never know – because most of them died in Roman carnage against Judea.
You are right that priests and authorities persecuted (Jewish) Christians…
Very few survivors of Pharisees from the school of Hillel never really met Jesus, so it’s hard to say that they actually denied him, and even if they were secretly Christian they would record it in very encoded manner, Rabbinic texts such as Midrashim, Zohar, Jerusalem Talmud (not Babylonian) are fool of such references, but I guess time is not ripe to reveal them…
Gavriel,
You do have a good knowledge of the Jews of that day! I’m sure many of the Pharisees were saved; I would assume that the verse I cited from Act 6, the priests would include Pharisees.
Not 3000 a day, but 3000 on day of Pentecost, and later in Act 4:4 it says the number of men that believed was about 5,000.
By the way, I liked very much your post, the verses about Jehovah! The one at the very top.
You quoted one of my favorite O.T. verses, Is 63:1
Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? (Jesus/Jehovah) this that is glorious in His apparel (the Ancient of Days), travelling in the greatness of His strength (the Omnipotent God)? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save (Jesus/Jehovah, the Saviour, Is 43:11).
Of course this has reference to Armageddon.
You woud like my study, Isaiah’s Doctrine of God! or Comparisons Between Jesus and Jehovah.
In Isaiah 40 John the Baptist was the forerunner of Jehovah! but in the new Testament it was Jesus.
M.R. Boehm,
Yes you are correct regarding converts, my memory sometimes fails me…
Talmud admits that Second Temple was destroyed because of baseless hatred…I would allow myself to think that 99% of this hatred was against Jews who converted to Christianity and destruction of Church in Jerusalem established by James, brother of Jesus…if I remember correctly, Josephus Flavius mentions this event as major reason for destruction of Jerusalem;
But, I prefer to concentrate on the future and not the past, and pray that Second Coming of LORD will not be as painful and Jews accept their savior with love, as predicted by Zechariah 12:10
I’m glad you liked my post, I also think that verse in Daniel 11:41
“…but these shall be delivered out of his (antichrist’s) hand, Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.” – refers to residents of Jerusalem escaping Abomination of Desolation…these are the same desert regions I mentioned above as related to Second Coming…how could these refugees survive persecution of Antichrist in Jordanian desert, except if LORD doesn’t appear to them in the desert…
MR and Gavriel
regarding the verse…
what do you think the Lord is doing in Bosrah?
where is it? Some think it is in Jordan.
In some passages, it appears there will be a great slaughter there (Is 34:1-8)
Other places, it indicates that Edom, Ammon, Moab and the rest of the West Jordan area will be protected from the antichrist. So is should be an area also protected from warfare.
can you explain this seemingly contradiction?
Marianne,
See my first post – I maintain that The LORD makes approximately same path when He comes to earth as Israelites during Exodus – in Edom he probably meets with Jews escaping Antichrist: “…and he came with ten thousands of saints” and time of wrath against nations begins (probably, at this moment Antichrist is still in Jerusalem);
Rashi maintains that Bozrah is in the land of Moab, but since it supplied a king for Edom, as it is stated (Gen. 36:33): “And Jobab son of Zerah of Bozrah reigned in his stead,” it will, therefore, suffer with them.
Bozrah means enclosure for sheep or sheep fold – where sheep is in sorrow. In this case sheep are refugees of Jerusalem, later saved by Messiah.
War of The LORD at the endtimes is with spiritual Edom – which represents the West – which will produce Antichrist. So, revenge against the nations will start from there.
Talmud (Makkoth 12a) also maintains that heavenly prince of Edom is destined to commit two errors. He thinks that Bozrah is identical with Bezer in the desert, which was a refuge city. He will also err insofar as it affords refuge only for inadvertent murder, but he killed Israel intentionally…so there is no escape for him there…
gavriel
It would a reassuring scenario, if Messiah came for his saints in Bozrah first before he defeated the Antichrist in Jerusalem. This way they would personally witness their salvation through him.
Many claim that the verse, “coming with his saints” refers to raptured saints returning to earth with him….
It could mean this group of sheltered Jews instead…..
It would be like Yeshua to allow his Israelite brothers to share in his victory.
Marianne,
I agree.
But, I try not to allow myself to imagine beyond what scriptures say, although it is clear that Prophets leave out many details and tell us only what we really need to know.
“…and he came with ten thousands of saints” could refer to 144,000 sealed ones, or ones fighting in Jerusalem, obviously being persecuted by antichrist beforehand as Zechariah 12:8 tells:
“…and the weakest of them shall be, on that day, like David. And the house of David shall be like angels, like the angel of the Lord before them.” – Notice that they are given (by Messiah) extra godlike features.
I have suspicion that rapture doesn’t take place in Jerusalem – while at other points on earth some saints may be raptured, others martyred, residents of Jerusalem are escaping to the desert – Jesus specifically warned those who are in Judea and not in other areas or places on earth: Matt 24:16 “Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains…” – so I think that they are not raptured and are on earth (could this be because they have not accepted Yeshua YET, but will face Him in the desert?)…
More on Bozrah:
Bozrah is the locations of Messiah’s initial Second Coming in Petra, Jordan
http://amos37.com/2008/10/26/edom-is-esau/#more-149
John,
You are right on! Lets be polite.
Ruth,
You say that the angel of revelation 10 is NOT a ‘holy angel’…
According to your interpretation Could the’ unholy angel’ then be this one ???…
Surely you jest Abigail…But did you know that the statute of liberty is almost identical to the ancient SUN GOD apollo and the seven rays of her head dress could represent the seven angels of the astrology lore..
There are many things is the world that originated with astrology.. For instance the lady of justice.. She is the Libra god…
The angel of light of Rev 10 is declaring the end of time in verse 6.. Jesus said he is a liar… matthew 24-36..But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Forewarned is forearmed.. We can either believe Jesus’ words or the words of the angel of Rev 10.. he is the spirit of antichrist..
Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Ruth… the Angel from Heaven in Revelation 10 is from Heaven.
‘that there should be time no longer!!’
The angel cried these words out!
He didn’t murmur them He cried out as a lion roars.
‘And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven’
‘And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again’
From HEAVEN! NOT from Hell. FRooooom HEAVEN!
Yes I was jesting by presenting that stupid video …. And it does not please me at all
to have to resort to this type of illustration to prove a point.
But Ruth I do not take pleasure in your interpretation of this HOLY ANGEL.
John was in a holy vision. I am sure that if it was Satan that he saw he would have known it.
Make your case against Islam all you want but please I plead with you do not defile what is called holy.
The book which is in The Mighty Angels’ hand is not the koran!!
Ok….everyone….let us be nice….
double check the scriptures before presenting a conclusion.
thanks..
ABIGAIL.
Satan as a roaring lion walketh about seeking whom he may devour… THOUGH WE OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL LET HIM BE ACCURSED..
And when all else fails I refer to the Words of Jesu, NO, THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN DO NOT KNOW…
Just think about it for awhile Abigail..All of us are blinded because of Adam’s sin… We learn by bits and pieces and sometimes though a lot of pain..I learned a long time ago to listen and remember and wait…When the Lord confirms it then I accept it as truth..
The saddest thing of all is lies close our mind and makes us unable to see the real truths..been there , done that.. Sometimes the Lord must remove the lies before we see clearly.. and sometimes we refuse to let go.. been there, done that too..The first thing I learned in my walk with the Lord is that I knew nothing and that he was always right and
I was almost never right…
I enjoy your posts too.. Abigail
Abigail.. I will post what I read in the koran the other day…IT is about the TWO BOOKS in judgment day…The devil tells people and then laughs in their faces when they miss it one sec and I will post it..
If you think about it.. we are to be judged by the WORDS OF JESUS, how else would this be accopmlished except by god allowing a false gospel with the real gospel… and we get to choose like Eve did..
the previous verses determine this happens in end times..
69.19] Then as for him who is given his book in his right hand, he will say: Lo! Read my book:
[69.20] Surely I knew that I shall meet my account.
[69.21] So he shall be in a life of pleasure,
[69.22] In a lofty garden,
[69.23] The fruits of which are near at hand:
[69.24] Eat and drink pleasantly for what you did beforehand in the days gone by.
[69.25] And as for him who is given his book in his left hand he shall say: O would that my book had never been given me:
[69.26] And I had not known what my account was:
[69.27] O would that it had made an end (of me):
[69.28] My wealth has availed me nothing:
[69.29] My authority is gone away from me.
[69.30] Lay hold on him, then put a chain on him,
Satan Mohammed is telling about the TWO GOSPELS IN JUDGEMENT DAY
book in the right hand and the other book in the left hand..
Ruth,
I do not read the koran and I am not interested in reading it.
Believe whatever you want to believe and for myself I will follow the Commandments
of My God and have faith In Jesus-Christ my Savior.
End of story.
Time ???
The minute hand of the famous Doomsday Clock is set to move this Thursday, and for the first time, anyone with Internet access can watch. Which way the hand will move and by how much have not been made public.The event will take place at 10 a.m. EST (1500 GMT) on Jan. 14 at the New York Academy of Sciences Building in New York City
abgail
so what does this mean? they think they can change the future by playing with a clock?
I don’t know Marianne what that means. 🙂
They are scientists you know … and they measure things you know.
I just thought it interesting.
The Doomsday Clock originally represented the threat of global nuclear war, but since then it includes climate-changing technologies and new developments in the life sciences and nanotechnology that could inflict irrevocable harm.
Midnight represents ‘catastrophic destruction.’
In 2007 the minute hand advanced 2 minutes and it now reads five minutes to midnight.
It is interesting now that some countries have an alarm alert zone passed extreme to include ‘catastrophic’ zone. i think that is the level which signifies everybody for its own life preservation.
I have found on you tube a video depicting the ‘catastrophic zone of ‘fire’ for Australia as an example.
A 7.0 ‘ catastrophic quake’ in Haiti.
Raymond Joseph, Haiti’s ambassador to the United States, told CNN he had little information about the extent of damage from the quake, which had a reported magnitude of 7.0. But he said the suffering inflicted on the impoverished Caribbean nation was likely to be “catastrophic.”
A tsunami alert was posted.
“Everybody is just totally, totally freaked out and shaken,” said Henry Bahn, a visiting official with the U.S. Department of Agriculture. “The sky is just grey with dust.”
Hospital fell down, houses fell in ravines, people are screaming and calling for help.
Let us pray!!!
thank you for telling me. I had the TV off all day, so I had not heard yet.
I’ve looked at google earth the area.
I don’t think their images are current.
World wide in the past 30 days we are currently at 299 Quakes 4.0 and stronger with 7.0 being the strongest. Mother natures racking them up. For live updates 24 / 7 go to IRIS Seismic Monitor awesome site covers each Quake in detail.
So the question is when do we start counting?
The strong quake in Haiti is not an everyday occurrence. I would even say ‘diverse’ or occurring where not expected.
january 13/10
A mystery object from space is about to whiz close by Earth on Wednesday.
It will not hit the planet, but scientists are stumped by what exactly it is.
Astronomers say it may be space junk or it could be a tiny asteroid, too small to cause damage even if it hit. It is 10 to 15 metres wide at most.
NASA says that on Wednesday at 7:47am (23:47 AEDT) it will streak by, missing Earth by about 128,750 kilometres.
Here is what the mystery object looks like …
You judge.
When future prophecy mentions the House of Israel, it refers to the Northern tribe. Not the Jews in ME. Their future war is Armengedon. Ez.38-39 is warning the U.S. about a surprise attack. Not to nuke US, but to plunder and occupy. We have the most blessing of any other nations. Lots of food water etc. They want to live here with out us of course. Just like Joseph son of Israel was blessed, and his 2 sons. Read it and see how perfectly it describes America. It makes no since that it is talking about Jews in ME.This will before the tribulation. Also you have to read Amos 7 in the Septiguent version. Here is where Gog is mentioned as a young demon who is the force behind Assyria. Who leads the locust against the Northern Tribe Israel.
Watcher.. You are absolutely right abut Ezekiel 38 being about USA….We are Isreal too… The Lord told me shortly after 9-11 Ezekiel 38 and Psalms 83 were both about American and the attack of satan’s Islam…
No one seems to understand that the apostles and early converts to Christianity were the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.. the blood line of Israel runs through Christianity ..God knows which ones.. plus we are all adopted into this Abbrahamic family..
Links that support the Leopard View of the Beast:
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http://www.beastfromtheeast.org/legs_of_iron.html
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http://www.prophezine.com/PZArticles/DebunkingtheEuropeanAntichrist/tabid/792/Default.aspx
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Rodrigo Silva
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=republic-of-fear-2010-03-12
Turkey as the “Republic of Fear”
Marianne,
Good post! I like Walid Shoebat! I read his study online some years ago on Islam and the Final Beast; a very good article!
I am impressed with Walid as well. I did find this site that refutes what he says, but while reading it I was actually convinced that Walid knows what he is talking about:
“Walid opposes the gematriacal interpretation because gematria was used in witchcraft. But this is not a good reason to reject gematria in the Bible. Although gematria was used at times in magical incantations, …”
http://eutychusnerd.blogspot.com/2010/07/mark-of-beast-is-islam-walid-shoebat.html#comment-form
Are you kidding me? This is a very good reason to reject gematria! Sigh….you just gotta shake your head and move on..LOL
http://tundratabloids.com/2010/11/bbc-uncovers-horrific-sharia-law-being-taught-to-children-in-the-uk.html
So with a multiple choice questionnaire they are training their children to be terrorists.
I am waiting for the day my son comes home to me and asks me, who is allah? I will pull him out so fast it will make their turbins spin!
G-d help us!!
Rev. 12-9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12-9 shows clearly that the seven heads of the dragon beast are satan’s angels…
Rev 12-4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:The false prophets deceive those in the heavenly spiritual condition and camse them to become children of the flesh…
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Isaiah 9-15.. The ancient and honourable, he [is] the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he [is] the tail. The is satan and his seven heads(angels) claim they are god and the prophet that teaches lies are the muslims who teach koran lie..
As for the description of the beast, lion, bear and leopard, the bible says the people will accept this scenario as being the god of Abraham..
Hosea 13-7,8..Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe [them]: I will meet them as a bear [that is] bereaved [of her whelps], and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
Ruth,
Interesting thought; I think the Scriptures are clear that in prophetic passages such as Da. 7, & Re 13; and others, that beasts are kings of kingdoms. I agree that Satan inspires these kings and kingdoms, and their AntiChrist Religion, for sure! The heads of the beast of Re. 13 will be kings (leaders) of kingdoms, not angels, but they could be inspired and lead by angels.
In Is 2:2 & Mic 4:1-4, & Re 17 mountains depict kingdoms.
Jude 1-6..And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Galatians 1-8..But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
2 Corinthians 11-14..And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
1 Corinthians 6-3..Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Angels are very much here for judgment…
Revelation 13-1..And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. This 7 headed dragon lion, bear, leopard beast is further explained in Daniel 7…
Daniel 7-3..And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. Note: these 4 beasts are actually 8 and they are same as the beasts who also come out of the sea…Rev. 13-1..Also described as lion, leopard and bear…
Daniel 7-4..The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it. This lion beast has eagles wings…indicating he is an angel…He is lifted up from the earth indicating he is like Satan crawling on his belly…and then made to stand on feet… He is given a man’s heart… Would this not be Satan the angel of light transformed into a man’s body…This is Mohammed….
The second beast like a bear…Daniel 7-5..And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and [it had] three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. This bear is the same bear of Rev. 13 who devours the people…Could this be the false prophet beast of Rev. 13.??
Daniel 7-5 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. This leopard beast appears also to be an angel by the wings..He is actually 5 kings…Himself and the 4 heads…This now totals 7 beasts (heads)..and then cometh the eighth..
Daniel 7-7..After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns. Is this beast the image of the beast and/or the return of the 7th king…Rev 17 also speaks of these 10 horns…
Mohammed said this about judgment day ….
84.7] Then as to him who is given his book in his right hand,
[84.8] He shall be reckoned with by an easy reckoning,
[84.9] And he shall go back to his people joyful.
[84.10] And as to him who is given his book behind his back,
[84.11] He shall call for perdition,
[84.12] And enter into burning fire.
and this
69.15] On that day shall the great event come to pass,
[69.16] And the heaven shall cleave asunder, so that on that day it shall be frail,
[69.17] And the angels shall be on the sides thereof; and above ) I them eight shall bear on that day your Lord’s power.
[69.18] On that day you shall be exposed to view– no secret of yours shall remain hidden.
[69.19] Then as for him who is given his book in his right hand, he will say: Lo! Read my book:
[69.20] Surely I knew that I shall meet my account.
[69.21] So he shall be in a life of pleasure,
[69.22] In a lofty garden,
[69.23] The fruits of which are near at hand:
[69.24] Eat and drink pleasantly for what you did beforehand in the days gone by.
[69.25] And as for him who is given his book in his left hand he shall say: O would that my book had never been given me:
The time is when the heavens burst asunder.. That would be in latter days and end times…It is when men are given a book..Those whose book is in the right hand are joyful but those who receive the book behind his back (left hand in other verses)..go into perdition and burning fire… Mohammed/Allah imply the Koran is the book in the right hand which means the other book in the left hand would be Christ’s Gospel…Of course Satan has reversed the books.. It is the Koran that puts men in perdition and burning fire…
Again Mohammed/Allah speaks of the two books…And re-emphases the sexual pleasures, etc in Islamic haven..and this time he identifies who he really is in 69-17..The seven angels together with Satan
Mohammed which make eight bear the lord’s power.. This is the seven headed dragon beast of Rev 13..
This is pretty meaty stuff….
According to Walid Shoebat, Allah has 99 names. Some are 1) the deceiver 2) the destroyer……you get the idea.
The koran teaches that the chrisian anti-christ is their messiah. And that the Christian messiah-Jesus-is their anti-christ. The scriptures make clear who the Anti-christ is and who satan is. Islam fits the description with perfection.
rise of turkey
http://www.beastfromtheeast.org/index.html
Turkey is center for peace conferences in 2011.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101207/ap_on_bi_ge/iran_nuclear_talks
SHOCKING: Muslims are now declaring Erdogan (from Turkey) as GOD
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