Why Mohammed was not the Comforter Promised by Jesus
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Muslims have been told that Jesus predicted the coming of Mohammad. If one looks at the context of what Jesus said, one can see that he meant someone else.
Muslims are told that the Comforter to come that Jesus promised was Mohammad. Let us see what Jesus really said.
Who is the Comforter that Jesus promised?
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Summary of this part:
1. the Comforter will abide with them “forever.” Mohammad did not live then, and could not do this – be with them. Now that he has come and gone, he is not with anyone forever.
2. The Comforter is the Holy Ghost, not a man, who will “teach all things.” No man knows “all things,” only God.
3. The Comforter is a Spirit of Truth. Mohammad was a man, not a spirit.
4. Jesus had to leave so that the Comforter could come. That implied he was coming soon after Jesus left. Also, Jesus said that HE was sending the Comforter. Mohammad never claimed that Jesus sent him.
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The disciples are to wait for the “promise” in Jerusalem.
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I [Jesus] send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he [Jesus] was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Summary of this part:
1. The “coming” of the Comforter occurred in Jerusalem. That is not where Mohammad was when he felt “called.”
2. The disciples were waiting and expecting the Comforter in about 33 AD. They could not wait until the 500s AD for Mohammad, because they could not live that long.
3. The promise would give them power.
When did the Comforter come?
Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Summary of this part:
1. Jesus died at Passover. He appeared after his resurrection 3 days later, and was with them about 30 days. He then ascended into heaven. Pentecost occurs about 45 days after Passover.
2. The disciples were given the power of the Holy Ghost.
Mohammad, again, could not have come at this time, and he gave no supernatural power to anyone.
The Promise of the Comforter was fulfilled 2000 years ago when the Holy Ghost came to the disciples in Jerusalem.
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Marianne,
Hi hope you are well.
The moslems are very confused. They believe in the Koran. The best we can do is Love them and show them the differences between what God says in the Bible and what their false teachings are.
Muslims have been demonized. The Koran does sanction physical war among other terrible practices.
Love,
John
assala mu alaikum my friend and peace be with you,i am a muslims and first of all that i can show you prooves that this is muhammed not the holy spirit because in the time of jesus christ holy spirit was there and it is mentioned in book of elizabeth so i will show you prooves and my facebook email is faizanshakeel117@hotmail.com pelase add me then we will see who is the real prophet muhammed or holy spirit good bye and peace be with you
dear Siraj
Jesus said this…these are HIS words:
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
this means that the comforter was a spirit, NOT a man
have a blessed day
In Islam Jibraeel (Gabriel) is referred as al Ruh al Quds (Holy Spirit)
“Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
Holy Qur’an, sura 16 (An-Nahl), ayat 102
Jibraeel appeared to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the cave.
“Read in the name of your Lord Who created.”
Holy Qur`an sura 96 (Al-Alaq), ayat 1
Now let`s look at what the Bible says:
John 16
12“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
yes the holy spirit brings truth..
the first truth was that jesus was the son of God
then second truth is that Jesus spoke the truth
the next truth is that Jesus said the comforter was the holy spirit
That means that I am Him; I c may not speak on my own right but on Him Who sent Me.
Hi John,
I hope my short studies, with scriptures, will help Muslims seeking the truth, about Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
blessings
marianne
assala mu alaikum my friend and peace be with you,i am a muslims and first of all that i can show you prooves that this is muhammed not the holy spirit because in the time of jesus christ holy spirit was there and it is mentioned in book of elizabeth so i will show you prooves and my facebook email is faizanshakeel117@hotmail.com pelase add me then we will see who is the real prophet muhammed or holy spirit good bye and peace be with you
Mohammed is laughable at best and comparable to Mormon’s Joseph Smith! Google that Siraj! Mohammed was an illiterate pedophile, murderer, rapist and terrorist! If Allah indeed is all-knowing, the creator of all, one who knows history, biology, geography, and the beliefs of different religious systems as they have appeared throughout history, we should then expect to be accurate when it addresses these areas of knowledge. However, what we do find is very troubling. For a god who knows everything, we find in the Qur’an some rather embarrassing details.
Mary part of the Trinity?
Sura 5:116 – “And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): ‘O Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods beside Allah?”
The Qur’an here suggests that Christians worship Mary as another god, equivalent to Jesus. In fact, this verse suggests Christians include Mary as part of the trinitarian Godhead: God, Jesus, and Mary.
Mary has never been included as part of the trinity. Never, not even among sects of Christianity considered heretical, much less mainstream orthodox Christianity.
Interestingly, the last part of verse 116 quoted above states, “You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.” If Allah indeed is the All-Knower, why did he not know there has never been a point in history, nor existed any sect of Christianity, which venerated Mary as part of the triune Godhead? Either Allah made a mistake, Allah is NOT all-knowing, or someone else wrote the Qur’an; someone entirely human.
Mary had sex with God?
Sura 6:101 – “To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort?”
Sura 17:111 – “Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion.”
Sura 18:4 – “… that He may worn those who say “(God) hath begotten a son.”
Sura 19:88-89 – “They say, ‘God Most Gracious has begotten a son!’ Indeed, you have put forth a thing most monstrous!”
Sura 37:151-152 – Is it not that they say, from their own invention, ‘God has begotten children?’ But they are liars!
Sura 112:1-4 – “Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; God the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten, and there is none like unto Him.”
A common theme that runs throughout the text of the Qur’an is that God cannot possible have a son. Far be it for God to have son. Christians who claim God has a son, or who call Jesus the ‘Son of God’ are but blasphemers.
But notice how the author of the Qur’an understands the term ‘Son of God.’ He is suggesting when Christians use that particular term, they intend to mean God came from heaven, had sexual relations with Mary, and produced Jesus as the offspring of this sexual union.
Is this the way Christians understand and use the term? Has there ever been a point in history, or a belief in any sect of Christianity, where anyone claiming the title ‘Christian’ used the term ‘Son of God’ to imply God had a sexual liaison with Mary to produce Jesus? Absolutely not. Yet this is what the author of the Qur’an believes to be the case.
Once again, the author of the Qur’an did not know what Christians believe, and accuses them of holding to something no Christian has ever accepted. In short, the author of the Qur’an was not all-knowing, again.
From where does semen originate?
Sura 86:5-7 – “Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a liquid gushing forth- proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.”
Various modern Islamic scholars have tried to maneuver around this rather embarrassing piece of errant biology in the Qur’an. None of their arguments, however, have been convincing. For examples, see this article on WikiIslam.
Hippocrates, in the 4th century BC, wrote a volume titled “On Semen Generation” in which he affirmed that both male and female produce their own sperm which, when they unite, creates a new thing. This semen is the product of the whole body … At the moment of sexual intercourse, the humidity in the body becomes like effervescent foam, the semen is carried through the veins to the spinal cord and the kidneys, whence it makes its way to the testicles en route to the genital organ.”
It seems the author of the Qur’an may have used Hippocrates’ theory of semen production, and that may have been the common belief in the seventh century. But again, if the author of the Qur’an is a God who created us all, who should know biology as he is the author of biology, why was he not able to accurately describe this biological process? Why did he adopt an incorrect biological concept from the fourth century B.C., unless it was not an all-knowing deity who wrote the Qur’an but, in fact, a mere man?
We can accept such an error from a man, because scientific knowledge has advanced far from that of the seventh century. To state such a concept, based on knowledge available at that time, is understandable and forgivable. But not from an entity who should have known better.
A flat earth?
Sura 13:3 – “And it is He who spread out the earth …”
Sura 15:19 – “And the earth We have spread out like a carpet …”
Sura 20:53 – “He who had made for you the earth like a carpet spread out…”
There are at least a dozen more references which describe the earth as flat, spread out. And lest you think this is simply my interpretation of these verses, consider the following. In the April 2000 issue of Al Ahram, a weekly publication, Saudi Grand Mufti Shiekh Ibn Ba’az said, “The earth is flat and the sun revolves around it. Satellite images are a Western conspiracy.”
And the author of this article personally became involved in a discussion on this topic a few years back. I was talking to a couple young Muslim men outside the Islamic Center of Detroit. We got on the topic of the scientific knowledge of the Qur’an, when I challenged them. I said, “So you believe the earth is flat as the Qur’an describes it?” Their response: “If the Qur’an says it, I believe it.” In other words, they did not dispute the Qur’an describes the earth as flat.
Once again, this would have been the common knowledge of the day in the seventh century. Everybody at that time thought the earth was flat. But an all-knowing deity should have known better, and should not have made such a fool of himself. But we can forgive him if, in fact, he didn’t write the Qur’an, but a mere man did so instead.
Conclusion
We must conclude, based on this small sample among many more in the Qur’an, that its author was not an all-knowing God. If it was written by some sort of god, he certainly is not all-knowing and thus not worthy of worship as Muslims claim Allah is worthy. More likely, however, is that the Qur’an was not written by any god, but by one singular man, Muhammad ibn Abdullah, plagiarized from many religious traditions prevalent in seventh century Arabia, and containing knowledge which would have been common to someone in that era; knowledge we now know to be in error.
Do not put your eternal security in such a book. If the Qur’an is wrong at the level of basic knowledge, it is certainly wrong in the things which affect our spiritual knowledge and eternal destiny. Abandon the Qur’an, and come to the Bible: a book which does not suffer these embarrassing episodes, a book which has been tested and tried through the ages and never found to be in error. And then meet the God of the Bible, who has the answers to questions that impact our eternal destiny. THE GOD OF ISRAEL KNOWS ALL THESE THINGS AND THEY ARE STATED IN THE REAL WORD OF GOD THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE NEW! IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOUR OWN RESEARCH, IT IS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL IF YOU REALLY SEEK OUT THE TRUTH, INSTEAD OF TAKING SOMEONES WORDS FOR IT! THAT’S WHY I POSTED THIS IN RESPONSE TO THE POSTER RIGHT ABOVE WHO LIES BLATANTLY WITH NO REFERENCE TO SIGHT HIS CLAIMS! THERE IS NOTHING TO BACK HIM UP BECAUSE HE SPEWS LIES PERIOD!
I like how you elaborated how infinite the Allah they say is with respect to the contradictions in the q’oran.
But while we as christians think the writers of our scripture were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write, come then to think of it the contradictions in just four gospels. Will the Holy spirit, an entity of the Trinity also make such mistakes of empowering matthew, luke mark and John to make such mistakes?.
You seem to be a great researcher of the Q’uran while you leave the flaws in our Bible.
If God is infinite and all knowing as we claim….(of course he is) why then didnt He know Adam haf ate the fruit buy rather asked whether they have eaten the fruit or not. Our Bible is also showing some sort of defficiencies too with respect to our belief that YHWH is all knowing.
Be that as it may, it pains me for man to interpret prohesies as literal as has been elaborated above. How can one say Jesus said the comforter was Spirit but Mohammed was a man? So cheap a point to say. Was Christ, the Son who spoke of the Comforter a man or an astral being?
Why dont we as Christiand dont want to believe the corporeality and human nature of our God. Anyway as John wrote: if any spirit does not teach that Christ had come in the flesh, duch is the Antichrist. I am afraid as christians we are doing same.
Now Apostle Paul clearly said in Hebrew 2:17, he was to be as his brothers in all aspect, a man…cos every high priest is chosen among men as he continued in Chapter 5.
So i ask was it so difficult for God to command Mary to conceive? Obviously Not! He could do beyond that. Yet the Angel told Mary that the Holy Spirit will come upon her and the power of the Lord shall overshadow her before she conceives.
I tell you in the book of Isaiah chapter 8, the prophesy is contradictory explained by most protestants and orthodox as a different child ftom the Immanuel promise. When it is said by Isaiah, a prophesy, that: and i made love with the prophetess and she gave forth a son….
Why do scholars say the prophetess is not the mother of Jesus but rather the wife of Isaiah. Is this not the same Emmanuel prophesy since at the end of the chapter it says for God is with us?
While we make discussions lets make it real and biblical, juxtaposing what the Bible says than condemning the Muslims. Maybe you should take a class to learn some hebrew and greek to know the etimological meaning of the words therein.
Let’s pray the spirit guide us into the truth instead of condemning the concept of other religions, be it mormonosm or islam or christianity, cos even the early teaching of the concept of God in the 1st three centuries was a teaching that God is corporeal and man. That was why St Augustine could not become a christian until he came to Milan to learn the incorporeality of God in the neoplatonic christian era before he could accept Christianity.
Anyway, the peace of the Lord be upon you.
I think the “contradictions” people perceive is in the interpretation, not the actual Word of God.
Hi Marianne,
these are about the same objections I also had, when hearing the claims of Muslims. This clearly refutes the idea. The idea that the Koran merely corrects somewhat the error in the bible is obviously wrong. The Koran rewrites the Bible, using some of the characters and events recorded in it.
Michael
I generally ask Muslims to explain how Moses’ law of tithing (10%) was reduced to zakat (about 2.5%) by Mohammad? Mohammad made a religion of his own from the Bible.
Regarding parakletos and Mohammd being the Comforter, I received an email from a Muslims. My answer is at
http://islam.vishwas.org/mohammad-and-parakletos-or-paraclete.html
I used the very verse they read (but do not understand)
John 14 : (15 – 16)
“If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father and He shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you forever”
The Comforter will Abide FOREVER !!! Mohammad is dead and now dust !
Bible teached, “they have eyes but will not see!”
hi sandip
good points. God bless you.
Sorry
Prophet muhammad peace be upon him is not dust now
U R wrong
God forbid earth to ruin his body
Evidence muslim body
Opening grave
Evidence
this is ridiculous…..you bury a body then dig it back up
the bodies are not even in rigor mortis yet.
the death is less than a few hours old
you think we are stupid?
Looks like these dead bodies wear jeans.
Abide not refer to comforter
But religion poor you
There is no eternal person other than god
Read john 19
It say jew crusify jesus because he said he is son of god
There is no salvation
Islam truth
Hi Michael,
Thanks. The idea here is to present an effective witnessing tool to help explain this issue, to get them to think more. Muslims claim they do accept the gospels, so I take the proof from there.
blessings
marianne
So are there any Messianic Muslims, like there are Messianic Jews? I have often wondered about this. If there are, they are probably a small number.
Hi Will
Yes, there are muslims who have accepted Christ as savior. But they are persecuted for their faith and killed, if they are discovered. There are also muslims who accept jesus in a positive way, that remain as muslims. they just need a full revelation of who Jesus is. I really hope this revelation comes to many of them in the days ahead.
No we don’t believe he was killed or prescuted
You go to youtube write
We proud to kill jesus
You will find jews saying too muslim we are proud to kill jesus
Read john 19 :7
It say jew killed jesus because he said he is son of god
Islam say they didn’t it was someone else whose face turned like jesus
they thought he is jesus
Jesus in heaven
God saved him
No
All muslim believe in jesus as proophet
They have all same faith
Bases is same
Messainac jew ve jew not believe in jesus
Conflict prove corruption
Muslims accept gospels as much as they believe in all the prophets and their books. Unfortunately, all is not corrupted ! Muslims have their own Injeel (Gospel) and they choose what to believe based on Quran and not from the old Scriptures.
I draw attention of Muslims to the fact that Islam needs to declare all old scriptures as corrupted while Christianity is continuation of the truth of the old scriptures because it accepts old scriptures as authentic. Christians don’t need to reject old scriptures and that is its strenght.
With a faulty scale and a blind faith, the truth is measured as a lie !
Let them hear who has ears !
Corruption was not in faith
But in incilation
Allowing wine
Insulting prophet by claiming they were sinful
As we know killing is sin
Bible say david killed urai to commit adultery with his wife
Plus lot slept with his daughters
This is against muslim faith
Prophet are good examples
As we know current bible written by people not jesus
Luke wrote luke
Mark wrote mark bible aand so on
They r not prophet neither they lived in jesus time or met him
Soo how did they know what happend in jesus time and rest prophet?
Bible say jesus asking people to belive in bible/Gospel it mean he brought
and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
Hi Mariannne,
Islam has been set up by Satan himself, to be a thorn in the side of both Christians and Jews!
Once the Muslim population has reached 10% of any country, that country is doomed to be taken back to year zero and will lose any freedom or democracy it possessed.
Their ultimate goal is to destroy any other religion apart from their own,either by stealth, violence or by breeding!
Satan mean devil
If islam was from devil why he didn’t praise his self?
God say in quran
And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, “Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment.”
Hi Glenn,
Then this is even more important to get the truth to as many Muslims as possible. Their salvation – and our lives and freedom – depend on it.
blessings
marianne
Glory Be To GOD! Many Muslims are becoming Christians today. They see the terrorism and works of the extreme jihads in the name of Islam and are sickened by it. Islam is today’s modern beast (false religious system). Islam is not of peace. The Body of Christ is growing.
Just the thought of Mohammed as the comforter is scary. He’s evil. His false religion is evil.
MARIANNE PRESENTED THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT WHEN SHE PRESENTED THE LIVING WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND OTHER WORDS INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT THRU HIS APOSTLE LUKE WHO WROTE THE FIRST TWO CHAPTERS OF ACTS. WHEN THESE WORDS ARE READ AND PONDERED ON BY MUSLIMS WHO OUR FATHER GOD AND OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST LOVE AND WHO JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR IT CAN AND OFTEN DOES CHANGE
THEIR HEARTS. TO SHOW HOW CRUEL THEIR FAITH CAN BECOME WITH IN THEIR OWN FAITH FOR INSTANCE WHEN A HAMAS PERSON IS PUT IN A JEWISH PRISON IN ISREAL HE IS TORMENTED, HURT AND EVEN KILLED BY HIS OWN HAMAS FELLOW PRISONERS FOR THE HAMAS TRUST NO ONE. THEIR WORLD IS A NIGHTMARE OF FEAR, EVEN OF EACH OTHER. THEIR LEADERS WILL DENY THIS OF COURSE. LORD I PRAY THAT MANY MUSLIMS READ YOUR WORDS THAT MARIANNE WROTE AND IT WILL PUT A SEED IN THEIR HEART TO WONT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOU AND BRING ABOUT THEIR FAITH AND BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST AND GOD’S WORD UNTO REPENTANCE AND SALVATION. IN JESUS( YAHUSHUA ) NAME I PRAY . AMEN THANK YOU ABBA FATHER FOR USING THIS WEB SIGHT OF MARIANNE’S TO BRING THE TRUE WORD OF GOD TO MANY PEOPLE, BLESS HER AND GIVE HER AND THIS WEB SIGHT FAVOR AND ALSO FOR HEARING ALL OUR PRAYERS FOR THE SALVATION OF ALL PEOPLE INCLUDING MUSLIMS . ALL GLORY AND HONOR BE TO YOU OUR GOD. SHALOM
Thank you everyone, for your comments so far.
blessings
marianne
that’s not nice what you said it is an act of evil, you should love all god creation,do you think that god would punish some one who was so submissive,and gentle,and acknowledged the scriptures before him,peace
is this how christians talk lets learn from each other and then we would grow
Hi Alamin,
I respect the fact that Muslims are sincere in what they believe. I am just giving information from the bible about the correct comforter that Jesus talked about. I mean no harm to you. I only mean to explain the Holy Spirit sent by Jesus to us, for our comfort and inspiration.
I appreciate your efforts and comments. I agree that some people are not gentle enough when they discuss religion. They can be too critical, and they do not understand people’s hearts. It is sometimes a challenge to keep separate the person, vs the doctrine.
I can disagree with a religion or doctrine, but I still try to be nice to the person. Religion can be an emotional subject. I assure you that you are welcome here, and you can post your views as well.
blessings
marianne
Blessed are the poor in spirit………………..no man can serve two masters………………………for he taught them as one with authority and not as the scribes
God bless you too. Mr “a”
It appears you have chosen the correct master. 🙂
blessings
marianne
Hi, very nice blog! I was wondering where you got the image of Pentecost? I am looking for a larger version of the same pic.
Hi LW,
Thank you. I just got the picture off the internet by using google search for images. Maybe try using search words like God, pentecost, holy spirit, etc. It has been a while, so I do not remember which search words I used. It looks like an old picture, which has been around for a long time.
I think that Christianity today doesn’t exist to an extent. For what reason? In 325 CE, a meeting at Nicea.. the apostles and people of power (the priests etc) admittedly did not know how to interpret what Jesus (pbuh) left behind! The first topic up for discussion at that time was ‘Do we take Jesus to be God? Or do we take Jesus to be a messenger, Prophet of God’ Of course, you had men on both sides. And your religion went one way. Imagine if it went the other way and your Bible would be completely different today! You’d be saying something very different.
The fact that Jesus (pbuh) said ‘the comforter would be with you forever’, look at it this way. Even Jesus is not with us today. Why? If you look at life, when somebody passes on and their memories, as well as what they left behind disappears, then that person disappears! However, when you view the Prophet Muhammad (saws), everything he did and the Revelation he relayed to mankind still remains as it was when it was brought! No other prophet was ever accepted by his people like that in their time. His messaged was memorized before He (saws) passed and from that time until 1430+ years later, the message remains unchanged in the slightest. The numerous examples of science and events that were told would happen after Muhammad (saws) passed, prove that he did not acquire that knowledge off of his own volition. Of course through the media (the same government which implements oppresion), they have certainly tainted your view for Islam, but no person that hasn’t already been, for lack of a better word, swayed by Christianity could look at the two religions and accept the fact that Jesus (pbuh) is God. Please respond! .. without harshness!
They DID know how to interpret what Jesus said. Being led by the Holy Spirit, they ultimately agreed with who Jesus really was and what He really taught – that He was and is God Incarnate. Bringing up “what could have been” is not a profitable discussion, since what happened is what happened, and “what could have been” is mere speculation.
If they knew how to interpret what Jesus said, there would have been no need for the meeting, and because of the ‘man made’ decision, the Bible wouldn’t contradict itself on so many accounts.
Dude, nice try, but you have it all wrong. All Islam has is a book and an organization. But Jesus rose from the dead, and He is, by His Spirit STILL HERE. Did Muhammed do any miracles? No, but even Muhammed said that Jesus was a worker of miracles – at least he got that part right…
I pray that Jesus will reveal Himself to you, my friend, as He has to many other people who have left Islam for the one true God. Have you ever read the book I DARED TO CALL HIM FATHER ? Very interesting. Blessings, and good-bye.
lol its funny how you want to use miracles now! even you see miracles and can deny them. yet you see it not.
Science from 1400 years ago. Unscathed literature (religious literature, nonetheless). The entire religion professes cleanliness and a way of life! You form your opinions from the same people that implement interest as a way of life, and media that is send us all to hell. You need to do your history. Instead of looking at religiously tainted documentaries, look into History. You’ll see that the Prophet Muhammad (saws) is undeniable, yet you profess to deny him! You’ve left your faith upto a group of white men from 1670 years ago who had to vote and argue to create the book that you swear is the truth! If they didnt understand it, why would you even try to understand me? Look at history.
God came and allowed his word to be tainted. but sent some brown dude who you guys cant admit is a prophet and will let his word go UNCHANGED until the day of recompense. funny how God works. must be the devil that beneficial way of life and science to the world!
It is you who is in the dark about true Christianity. I have been to the Blue Mosque, the Hagia Sophia, and Al Aqsa, as well and most of the masjids in my city. I have a copy of the Quran. I actually prayed with a (former) Muslim and led him to Jesus.
And I guess you have not heard that the Quran actually has been changed. In the beginning, there were different versions of the Quran, but some Islamic men set about to destroy the evidence. you can read about it here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/index.html
i actually think everybody is in the dark about true christianity. Good site listed below!! i have bookmarked it and look forward to reading it!
Dear UnDoubtful.
There is many times truth in what people say, even if they disagree on certain points. I am less traditional. I go by what the bible says, and what Jesus said about himself.
The romans who took over the church, I believe, did not read and interpret this well, and their interpretation has only caused 2000 years of confusion.
These are my thoughts:
Science is neither good or bad in itself. Quality of life means nothing compared to spiritual quality of life. And it is written that even the devil appears to some as an angel of light – just like many scientists do.
Isnt a Comfrorter some one Comforts you when your sad so any one can be a Comfroter a Freind, Family Member maybe thats what jesus meant they will be with you for ever meaning that at times some one will comfort you in your life
Hi Mitchell
OF course!…. 🙂 We should all comfort each other.
The holy spirit is called this, because that is his main job. God knew the world would be cruel to believers, so when there is no help or comfort from the world, he is always there for us.
When I started studying Quran and Hadith and the life of Muhammad, out of curiosity, I found that Islam is not a true religion and Muhammad’s character is dubious. In total I would say, Islam is a false religion. If you compare other prophets in Holy Bible, they were very clean rather would say godly persons but in Mumahhad’s case he do not fit as a Prophet also.Then how he is Comforter or Holy Sprit? Muslims are afraid to accept Christ because they will be killed by their fanatic religious leaders.
MG
hi MG
Very true. That is why we should pray for the Muslims. Somehow, the truth must reach them, so they can at least know Christ in private, or know him in safety. Think of billions of people going to a horrible eternal destiny, because we did not pray for them. We will be held accountable if we ignored them. Preachers tend to only preach to the saved, not the unsaved. The unsaved need to be reached as well.
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What Does “Islam” Mean?
The word “Islam” itself means “Submission to Allah.” The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of “Christianity” which was named after Jesus Christ, “Buddhism” after Gutama Buddha , “Marxism” after Karl Marx, and “Confucianism” after Confucius.
Similarly, Islam is not named after a tribe like “Judaism” after the tribe of Judah and “Hinduism” after the Hindus. The Arabic word “Islam” means the submission or surrender of one’s will to the will of the only true god worthy of worship, “Allah” (known as God “the Father” in Christianity).
Anyone who does indeed submit to the will of Allah as required by Islam is termed a “Muslim,” which means one who has submitted to the will of Allah. Many people in the West have developed the sad misinformed trend of calling Islam “Muhammadenism” and it’s followers “Muhammadins.” This is a totally foreign word to Muslims and unrecognized by them. No Muslim has ever called his religion “Muhammadenism” or called himself a “Muhammadin.”
What Is The Basic Concept of Islam?
Islam teaches us that this life is a life of worship. We are placed on this earth in order to worship Allah and obey His command. During this earthly life we are subjected to a series of trials. We have the option of enduring these trials and conforming to certain laws, and our reward will be great in the next life, or we may decline to endure these trials and choose to not conform to the law, then we will be made to regret it in the next life.
Each person will be solely and completely responsible for their own final reward. We are also told that God has designed these laws to make this life a better, safer, and more tolerable one for us. If we elect to conform to them then we will see the result in this life even before moving on to the next.
We are told that the earthly life is a life of faith and work, and the next life is one of reward and no work. We have been placed on this earth to worship God, fast, pray, be industrious, good, kind, respectful, and a source of uprightness and morality. We are told that God has no need of our worship. Our worship can not increase the kingdom of God nor add to His power, however, it is in our best interests both in this life and the next that we do.
Unlike some other religions which claim that God entered in a covenant with a certain group of people and that this group is genetically better than all other human beings, or closer to God, Islam on the other hand teaches that no color, race, tribe, or lineage is better than any other. Islam teaches that all humans are equal in the sight of Allah and that the only thing that can distinguish them in His sight is their piety and worship.
“O humankind! Verily! We have created you from a male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Verily! the noblest among you in the sight of Allah is the most God-fearing. Verily! Allah is The Knower, The Aware.” The noble Qur’an, Al-Hujrat(49):13.
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isnt it amazing how the old testament is totally opposite to the new testament, in the old testament david had many wives, killed and fought great battles, and was loves, abraham had many wives too, but the new testament is like its from a totally differetn source then the one who sent the old testament, it proves to me that the new testament was in fact written by man, and all the men who wrote it did not even know jesus, they copied the religion from horus the sun god of the egyptians, thats why SUNday is the day christians made holy cause it is the same day that the pagan egyptians made holy, but in fact jesus was a jew who brought down the same religion as the old testament, but the people who didnt know him made up a new version of his life 300 years after jesus, and then persecuted anyone who had the gospels of the people who really did know him, google it, you will find its true, all who knew jesus and wrote a gospel there books were banned by constantine, and all who did not know him were the books that were chosen, if you study someting with truth you will see that christianity and its history dont add upp to the christianity we have of today, its complete opposite, you should enquire about who the unitirian christians were and why they used to be persecuted so much, …
dear Bill
The OT was very true.
It is a record of God’s commandments, how man sinned against those commandments, how God punished them, how they repented, and how God forgave them. Then man sinned again, and the cycle repeats.
This is the same thing we see today in man’s relationship with God.
What Jesus taught was true. Those who are true believers will know the difference between what man teaches, and what god teaches, directly, or through Jesus.
The men who lived before the new testament were as God himself said ” like one of us(satan) in understanding good and evil… These men stoned women,killed people for sexual sins,and for blasphemy,,,,practiced polygamy,. As god said in Gensis 3-22 they were like one of us ..(meaning the one who taught the Adams his idea of good and evil)
The new testament is to restore men to the likeness and image of God that Adam lost..Born again of THE WORD OF GOD..
So of course there would be a big difference in men’s actions…
The marriage between the Old and New Testaments is very simple: The Atonement Of Jesus Christ. All of this bickering can be silenced once people shine a light on the cross. Christ said that he came to fulfill the law. There is a song by Hazakim that goes like this:
“Pharaoh’s power has come to an end/ Yet mankind is still a slave to sin/ But there’s an exodus to the promise land/ So where do you stand with the Passover Lamn?/
Ricky
you have made wisdom simple to understand. I hope people read it and accept it.
comforter was the holy quran…
So you want to say that it took 600 years to Jesus to send the promised comforter while the church had been established and comforted much before !!!
Dear Brother, emotions are good but it should not blind you…
PEACE
Jesus did prophecy of mohammed’s coming in John 14.. It is verse 30…Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
This is satan in flesh.. i.e. the angel of light with the perverted gsopel..
Islam’s god was named after the ancient moon god named Sin..
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And mohammed was so dumb he continuously said in the koran WE CREATED MAN,, we created this or that,, we ….He plagerized the Bible verse of Genesis 1-26 without a shread of understanding.. This verse was not about gods or a dual god creating man..It was in fact a prophecy about the remaking of man….
The seeds of Genesis 3-15 is a hint of this prophecy..
The actual creation of mankind was done by GOD ONLY..It is recorded in Genesis 1-27… AND SO GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE.. Plus the actual act of creation is in Genesis 2 and God alone did it.. Mohammed knew nothing but lies..was a liar and the father of the lie..
when God speaks, God use We/I/Us/Me, but you can NEVER find verses referring to God as “They/Their”.
Then God said, “Let Us make man ‘in Our image, according to Our likeness’; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Genesis 1:26
God was speaking with majestic authority thus using Us/Our in Gen1:26.
God said clearly “in Our Image according to Our likeness” referring to mankind becoming rulers and creators on earth. Not by any means using the physical of God to create shape of man and female, but rather figure-like to that of God having dominance over universe, but for mankind they having dominance over other living creature on earth.
(followed by singular third person verse) And God created man ‘in His (notice verse do Not use THEIR) own image, in the image of God’ created He him; male and female created He them. Genesis 1:27
And if we use Pauline-Christian logic. Who’s image was the verse referring to? Father? As Christians should know that Word and Spirit do not have image.
Do Christians believe Father/Word/Holy Spirit have image or all three were imageless?
Nasr
Bible says the Father is God and the Son (Jesus/Yeshua) is the image of his Father God in heaven.
How do you know Mohammed was a physical man? just because you believe everything you’rfe told or read about, dose not mean that it is true, like people believe that Mohammed was a peadophile, but because you believe that Mohammed the prophet was actually a physical male, then you believe that he had sex with a 9yr old gil, when infact you have no concept of the meaning of Metempsychosis and the difference in the speed fo time and space beween the living and the dea! The same goes for you’re interpretation of the word Islam derived from the name Isreal, which in Old English mean’s “Terror” and relate’s to one’s own conscience. Yet you use these word’s from text’s for you’re religious hatred and war’s for profit out of the misery of the innocent, and this is what will be judged of all of you!
dude, u all shuld watch videos by syeikh ahmad deedat and Hassanain Rajbali. u all talks one sidedly when no one can disaprove anything u said and u just plainly reject the other side points just like that. Thats really not a fair nor intelectually good approach atleast for me to say,and an act of cowardice(sory ^^ but saying some theory true while condemning others without proper debate or facts is a coward act) .
if u want to convey, and disapproves others.pls do it in more proper ways.
( im not saying this for the author’s post but on the replies for the post )
I’d rather watch Tom and Jerry than to see his evil face!!! he’s a sarcastic and ARROGANT piece of work that I would never look at (or hear) twice!!!
The unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy ghost..Believing mohammed is the holy ghost comforter is that sin…
You are correct the Prophet of Islam was not the one that God promised to send in the last days of the end time. Neither was he the comforter predicted by Prophet Isaiah. The Prophet of Islam never set foot on the land of Israel. The true comforter that was predicted to come was sent to Israel and fulfilled the prophecies as ordained to do in the name of God in 2006 and 2007. The bible is clear that the one that God promised to the children would not be born in the middle east. Also they are an advocate of the spiritual law and the prophet of Islam introduced Sharia law that has nothing to do with the spiritual law. The prophet of Islam neither fulfilled the prophecies or the timeline. Nor did he have the name that was hidden in the texts.
Glory be to God
Ahava
Eliakim
I believe the comforter was the holy spirit.
Who do you think it is, that was sent to Israel in 2006 and 2007?
I was sent to Israel Marianne, that is how I know so much about the prophecies. After we had fulfilled the prophecies Abba and his Son would point me to them in the scriptures. God promised that he would plant her in the land of Jezreel and he certainly did that in 2006. The gathering was held in the Alonei Abba woods overlooked by Bethlehem of the Galilee. He kept me hidden in his right hand for his divine purpose and glory.
the prophet muhammed was real whether yourll believe it or not…and theres plenty of proof for your’s eyes to see..not to be judgemental or anything but if u have to find out more about the significance of islam, you shall see for yourself…ask god for guidance, maybe one day he will revert us to the right part…watch the arrivals, i heard it pretty much proves enough of facts that relates to islam…
as a matter of fact islam is the only religion with the most of different types of races u can even think of….just think about it..people cannot be confused when true revelations were brought down for prophets to preech…even the koran speaks about jesus so how on earth could it not signify anything…
“even the koran speaks about Jesus”
Yes it does. It reads Jesus was a prophet, not risen from the dead for human sin, and not the son of G-d.
You have denied G-d’s love for you. I wish you luck praying to Hubal, with your arse towards Mecca and the Kaaba.
Allah Akbar! Allah is greatest. Greater than all other gods at the Kaaba. Soon, the fingernail of the god will be in the September sky, and Ramadan will be over. But, the blood cult will have it’s victims.
Mohammad, who did live, and breath, was a mad man who married a 7 year old girl, and raped her when she was 9. A correct history book shows Mohammad enjoyed murder, and rape. That is who the religion of peace follows.
Good luck praying to the false god Sin.
I enjoy sights like this…they reveal insecurities. Do me a favour.Youtube Yasin Khalid..the comforter, He gives a great talk on the comforter, he uses the bible to substantiate his claims…As for the last comment..Allah have mercy on you.Marriane this is a beautiful website,visit the one im refering you to and get back to me via email
Zubair
I have heard him talk before. He misquotes the bible. Like this video….He claims Jesus said the comforter was named Muhammed. This is not true. He just made that up.
Read the bible for yourself.
When you want the truth, seek it yourself. Do not listen to a man. If you go to the scriptures themselves, which is the breath of God, you will by pass the interpretations of man.
Above, I have given the correct scriptures spoken by Jesus.
Read them again. Muhammed never gave supernatural “power” to the disciples in 33 AD after the departure of Jesus. Only God can do that.
The god of the Kabba does not exist. The moon god is as false as all the other 359. Allah means the god.
Allah does not exist, so how can it have mercy on Marianne?
All 360 gods at the kabba never existed, including the god.
Cheers
Zubair
I have no insecurities about my salvation, for the Holy Ghost, the real comforter, resides in me. I can tell you for certain, He is no mortal man. You should really stop believing what your Imams tell you to believe and search for the truth yourself; that is if you are allowed to.
We are Christians by choice, not by force.
dear bro/sis,
salam………islam mean submission, to will of allah(god),muslims will go to the kingdom of garden……..acoording to the mathew 7;21
please read..
tnq.
Allah in Arabic means the god, or my god. not G-d. The god, one of 360 false gods of the Kaaba where the black stone can take away your sin, is the moon god Sin. The moon is still on your Mosques. Muhammad, who married a girl of sevn, and raped her at nine, made the god the only god to worship, or else off with your head.
I support your right to worship whatever god you choose, but please do not try, and mislead anyone who the god is. A correct history book proves what I have written.
Also, your human logic is being used without the Holy Ghost to lead you in your understanding of Jesus Christ. The word of G-d the Father made flesh to die for all mankinds sins.
G-d the Father so loved his creation, he sent his only son to die for it. Therefore, only the grace of G-d the Father can get you to heaven. It is free, and the only thing in this world that is free.
I think you should focus your debate on who allah actually is ie…is he Yahweh? rather than focus on a human who started this religion. followers in every religion are guilty of sin.
With the greatest respect is no mention of garden in Matthew chapter 7.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207%20&version=NIV
As far as the word comforter is concerned it does not mean what you think it does.
“For instance the English word ‘comfort’, used in John’s gospel of the Holy Spirit as comforter, has changed vastly over time. 900 years ago it meant to prod and poke, even chastise, to get someone to do something – now it is far more passive and means a mollycoddlying ‘there-there’ pat on the back.”
http://www.biblicalhebrew.com/wordstudy.htm
this passages says jesus(pbuh) is NOT god……..
1.2.2.12 A logical analysis
As we have seen at the very beginning of our analysis, Jesus (pbuh) has commanded us to “love the Lord thy God … with all thy mind,” Mark 12:30. We were also taught that “For God is not [the author] of confusion” 1 Corinthians 14:33.
So, if God’s nature is not one of confusion, then it should not be necessary to command us to simply “have faith” in the Trinity because it is a “mystery.” Is this not fair? Is this not what the Bible and Jesus himself say? So let us use our minds and be inquisitive. Let us ask questions so that we may indeed be able to truthfully claim that we have loved God “with all our minds.”
Now, most Christians today are taught that because of Adam, all of humanity has inherited sin. This sin was so great that it could not be forgiven by any normal means. This sin was so great that God could not simply say “You are all forgiven.” This sin was so great that even the sacrifice of a sinless mortal would not do. This sin was so great that it was necessary for God Almighty to offer up His only begotten son as the only possible purifying sacrifice for the sins of humanity. The only possible way for God to forgive humanity this tremendous sin was to have his son delivered to his mortal enemies so that they might beat him, spit on him, whip him, strip him, cut him, humiliate him, hang him up on the cross, and finally kill him. In this manner, God would finally be able to grant us the forgiveness He so wishes to bestow upon us. (1 Corinthians 15:3 “Christ died for our sins”, Romans 5:6 “Christ died for the ungodly” etc.)
However, when we look closely at this picture we find a number of problems. For example, if Jesus (pbuh) is part of a divine Trinity which makes up the essence of God Almighty, and if this God is ONE God and not THREE gods, and if Jesus (pbuh) died on the cross, then what happened to God Almighty?. Did the Trinity die also, or was a third of the Trinity ripped away from the whole, then tortured, killed, and sent to hell for three days, while the remaining two thirds (of God?) remained in it’s crippled form a safe distance away? Who was overseeing the heavens and the earth while all of this was happening? A crippled Trinity? No one? If I am made up of heart, mind, and soul, and one of them dies; what happens to the rest of me? Are they ONE or THREE? If God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three names for the same being, (definition of the “Trinity” required by Isaiah 43:10-11 and many other verses) and not three separate gods, then the “death of Jesus” is just another way of saying “the death of God the ‘Father’,” which is also another way of saying “the death of the Holy Ghost.”
Some members of the clergy will object that it was not Jesus “per se” who died, but rather it was only “his human form” that died. His “godly” form was not affected. It is described as one describes someone removing his coat. This leaves us with a dilemma, because it leaves us with one of two cases:
1) Either Jesus (pbuh) “himself” did NOT die, but only shed his earthly body (as it were), and in this case we must ask, where then is the great sacrifice in this shedding of a useless shell? Did we not just agree a few minutes ago that the sacrifice of a sinless mortal was not sufficient in order to erase the sins of all of humanity? Did we not just claim that it must be a sinless “GOD” that must die? How then is Jesus’ shedding of this useless mortal shell which is not his actual essence an ultimate sacrifice in atonement for all of mankind’s sins? How is it any different than the sacrifice of any normal human being? Did the death of Jesus’ coat atone for the sins of all mankind? Can Jesus not simply make one thousand more human “shells” for himself to inhabit? Is his discarding of one of them an “ultimate sacrifice for the sins of all humanity”?
2) Or, Jesus (pbuh) “himself” died, in which case, since he is claimed to be part of the “Trinity”, and the “Trinity” is claimed to be ONE god, not three (required by Isaiah 43:10-11, Deut. 4:35, 4:39, 1 Kings 8:60, Isaiah 45:5 and many other verses), then God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are all claimed to have died, since they are all “the same essence.” Further, if all three are indeed ONE God then the death of this one God contradicts many verses such as:
“But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king.”
Jeremiah 10:10
Also, if the giver of life is dead then who shall bring Him back to life? The only way out of this dilemma is to accept the truth, that Jesus (pbuh) was not God but only an elect messenger of God.
Remember when Jesus (pbuh) is alleged to have died?:
“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost”
Luke 23:46
When people die they go to their Lord to be judged. If Jesus (pbuh) was, as claimed, a part of a Trinity and the Trinity is only ONE god (as required by the above verses), then Jesus was with God in a Trinity before his death. It was only after his death that he was claimed to have left God, died, and gone down into hell for three days. However, this verse tells us a completely different story. It claims that Jesus’ essence was somewhere other than already with God while he was on earth (otherwise it would not have to go to Him) and was now going to God. Also read John 17:11: “…I come to thee. Holy Father.” And John 17:13: “And now come I to thee”…etc.
Sadly enough, most Christians are taught to brush off these matters with words like “It is incomprehensible, that is why it must be true,” or “believe blindly or you will lose your soul.”? Have we so soon forgotten “For God is not of confusion” 1 Corinthians 14:33 ? Have we so soon forgotten “thou shalt love the Lord thy God … with all thy mind,” Mark 12:30?.
Many missionaries attempt to prove that God is “three” by drawing analogies between God and His creation. They say: “There are three members in a family, father, mother and children. There are three states for water, ice, water and steam, etc. Don’t you see? God is three!”
Well, if this is the case then we need to notice that “Each person gets only one life. There is only one sun. There is only one earth. Each person only has one heart and one mind, etc.”
Similarly, “We all have only two eyes. We all have only two ears. Days are split into two parts, morning and night, etc.”
As we can see, following such tactics is indeed a frivolous pursuit. Such examples could be extended forever. We could say “There are four seasons in every year. There are five fingers on each hand. The Jews were only allowed by God to work for six days. There are seven days in every week, …” but you get the picture.
Now, God Almighty is claimed to have “begotten” Jesus (pbuh). He is claimed to be the “father” of Jesus. Naturally a father is present before he “begets” his son (no matter how you wish to define “beget”). Before Jesus (pbuh) was “begotten,” was the “Trinity” a “Duality”? Was God complete? Explain Isaiah 43:10-11. If Jesus (pbuh) was “begotten” then he is not eternal, but the definition of the Trinity which was first put together in 325 C.E. when the Trinity was first officially defined requires the “co-eternity” of God and Jesus (pbuh) (see below).
If Jesus is one face of a “Trinity” and the Trinity is one god not many, then anyone who sees Jesus has seen God, however, John 1:18 says
“No man hath seen God at any time.”
And we have just read in the Athanasian creed (Nicean creed) that “God” is a “Trinity” made up of “the Father,” the “Son,” and the “Holy Ghost.” We also read therein that God is not three gods but one God. If this is the case then anyone who has seen Jesus has seen “God.” But the Bible tells us that this is not the case.
Jesus (pbuh) claims to not even know when “that day” is
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father”
Mark 13:32.
Is he not part of God? Is the “Trinity” not ONE god? The fact that one “personality” of God has knowledge not available to the other “two thirds” is a clear indication that they are distinct and separate beings, and not three faces of one being.
There are many such questions to be raised about this supposed Trinity which defy common sense. When someone loves God “with all thy mind” and they “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” are they not presented with countless contradictions regarding the “Trinity”? I am speaking about the logic of Jesus (pbuh) here and not blind faith. Jesus is beseeching us to use our minds but we would rather follow others who demand blind faith. Jesus (pbuh) tells us
“If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”
John 14:23.
Sadly, the same people who love him dearly have now been taught that in order to love Jesus they must completely disregard everything he ever taught his followers and must follow others who are better able to explain his message than himself. In effect, his words have been totally abandoned (see below).
“Say: ‘O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds [of what is proper], trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, who misled many, and strayed [themselves] from the straight path.'”
The noble Qur’an, Al-Maida(5):77
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dear hymer
You raised some good points. I can answer them. But since there are so many issues, it would be better for us to discuss them offline, topic by topic.
You are basically protesting a doctrine put forth by the catholic church, when compared to what the bible says, does not make any sense. that is because it is wrong.
Part of this doctrine, along with its reasoning is wrong, and part is correct, but the reasoning has to be made clear as well.
I would have to quote half the bible to answer all the questions above. I can take it one topic at a time, and things will make more sense.
I will contact you offline.
The answers are actually easy, and simple, once the correct scriptures are looked at.
Dear mr.leatherneck, Confusion about the sacrifice(die for all mankind sins)
My Question Is-
If God knows and is in command of all things, He knew the outcome of Jesus’ death on the cross. He knew Jesus (his son) would not die. To have a sacrifice you must give up something. If Jesus didn’t die where is the sacrifice? And if Jesus is God, He knew the same. Sorry but I having a hard time understanding this
dear hymer
I know the Muslims are taught that Jesus did not die, but he did die. There were many witnesses. This also includes Roman execution records, as well as those standing there. When Jesus appeared to his followers after his death, he had the holes in his hands and feet, and a big hole in his side, where the spear went in, to make sure he was dead. Jesus had Thomas put his hand in the hole to convince Thomas that it was really him ( Jesus). While the rest of the followers saw Jesus in a glorified body after the resurrection, both John and Mary stood there and saw Jesus physically die, and take his last breath. Other followers were also there as well. There was no switch of persons on the cross. It was really Jesus up there. The Romans would have never allowed a substitution.
Once again the fact remains Jesus died, God does not die. Jesus rising from the dead, God never rises from the dead because God never dies,BUT he is ever living..but jesus died on cross isn’t confusing?
hi hymer
Father God raised Jesus, the Christ (Messiah) from the dead.
Salam,means peace.
The Father is the only true God..
(wouldn’t this prove that Jesus denied that he was God?)
Oneness of God: The Ultimate Solution to the Trinitarian Controversy………………………
An Invitation to worship the only True God and Creator of the Whole Universe.
Allâh I (Subhanahu wa ta’ala, meaning: the Glorious and the Exalted) is the only God and Creator of the whole universe who Alone deserves true worship. Although Allah I has all the power to guide the whole mankind to worship Him, He I makes freedom of religion as one of the guiding principles of Islam. Our Rabb (Cherisher and Sustainer, Allah) has given mankind to choose their own religion. He makes this very clear when He I says in His Book (the Qur’an) the following Ayât (Verses):
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error. Whoever disbelieves in false deities and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.” (Qur’an 2:256)
“Say: ‘O you that reject Faith! I worship not that which you worship, nor will you worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which you are worshipping nor will you worship that which I worship. To you be your religion and to me my religion.’” (Qur’an 109:1-6)
“Invite (all) to the Way of your Rabb (Cherisher and Sustainer, Allah) with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for your Rabb knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.” (Qur’an 16:125)
“He is Allah besides Whom there is no other god, knowing the unseen and the visible. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful! He is Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, the Sovereign, the Holy, (the Source of) Peace, the Secure, the Preserver, the Powerful, the Irresistible, the Grandiose. Glory be to Allah ahead of anything they may associate (with Him)! He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Shaper. His are the Finest Names. Everything in Heaven and Earth celebrates Him. He is the Powerful, the Wise.” (Qu’ran 59:22-24)
“Say: ‘He is Allah the One. The Eternally besought of all. He begets not nor is He begotten and there is none comparable unto Him.’” (Qu’ran 112: 1-4)
“And behold! God will say: O Jesus the son of Mary didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah? He (Jesus) will say: Glory to thee, never could I say what I had no right (to say)”. Surah 5:116
“Say: ‘Will you worship besides Allah something, which has no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah is He Who hears and knows all things.’” (Qu’ran 5:76)
‘Women have rights (over against men) equal to the rights (they owe men) – but men have precedence over them.’
(al-Baqarah 2: 228)
“Among His Signs are the Night and the Day and the sun and the moon. Prostrate yourselves not the sun and the moon but prostrate yourselves to Allah Who created them if it is Him you really wish to worship.” (Qu’ran 41:37)
“…Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him.” (Qu’ran 5:72)
“…The Command is for none but Allah: He has commanded that you (mankind) worship none but Him. That is the right religion but most men understand not.” (Qu’ran 12:40)
“Verily, the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security, among Gardens and Springs; dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade they will face each other; and We shall join them to Companions with beautiful big and lustrous eyes. There can they call for every kind of fruit in peace and security; nor will they there taste death except the first death. And He will save them from the Torment of the Blazing Fire as a bounty from your Rabb (Only Creator, Cherisher and Sustainer)! That will be the supreme success!” (Qur’an 44: 51- 57)
May ALLAH Bless you..
Thank You.
The fully human body of Jesus Christ died for all mankinds sin. G-d the Father raised the perfect human sacrifice back to life. Jesus Christ, the word of G-d made flesh, is now our high priest to G-d the Father. His perfect blood covers us from G-d the Father’s sight who demands perfection.
To die without accepting Christ as that which saves you from your sin, is to stand before G-d the Father with your works, and sin together. They will never be perfect, because only that part of G-d the Father called the word of G-d can be perfect while living inside a human body.
We humans are less than perfect, because Adam fell by trying to save Eve from her fall. Adam died to try, and save Eve, but two wrongs do not make a right. Plus, G-d’s greatest creation, us, repented. Lucifer did not repent, and was proud. he was given respite until judgement day.
Deuteronomy 12:31
“You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.”
So, does God support human sacrifice?
hymer
God does not suppor human sacrifice. God considers that murder.
Jesus was not a sacrifice…. he volunteered himself.
Jjust as you would “sacrifice” yourself to protect a loved one, Jesus “sacrificed” himself to save us.
The god of the Kaaba, or the moon god Sin is a false god, and is not the G-d of the Universe. I do not accept your blessing from the god, and do not eat food killed in your false god’s name.
This is a Christian website. You have made your faith clear, and we have made our faith clear. Both can not be correct.
Islam is just another religion that state works can get you to heaven. Works can not get you to heaven, only the belief in Jesus Christ who died for your sins, who did not murder, or lie, and rise from the dead can get you to heaven.
Sell your paganism elcewhere, as you have chosen to follow a man named Muhammad.
Salam.
What Does the Bible Say About…Eating Swine?
“Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things—they will meet their end together with the one they follow,” declares the LORD.
Isaih 66;17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven
Mathew 5;17
Hymer
It was God himself, in human form that died on the cross, not some child sacrifice of Yahweh. How is it that the Law can be “fulfilled”, except by the atoning sacrifice of a “pure Lamb”? for man is born to sin, but Jesus was born without sin, as he had not the seed of man, because he was born of a virgin.
Jesus is Yahweh, and the comforter is the Holy Spirit, or God with us. Jesus was present at the creation, As he was the “word” that brought about that creation. One cannot exist without the other.
The religion of Mohammad has no answer to the problem of man’s inherited sinfulness. It has no forgiveness of sin, and no blood sacrifice to atone for that sin. It only has the hope that ones good works will out weigh our evil ones. It is only through God’s divine Love that we are able to “fulfill” the Law by obedience with a pure heart. The pharisees of the NT were full of “Good works”, but that did not make their actions “righteous”. Righteousness cannot be obtained by man apart from the grace of God. Good works, and strict legalism do not make a man righteous, only self righteous. Faith is the belief that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was the fulfillment of the atoning blood sacrifice, Spoken of by Moses. We must merely accept that gift, and his love for us. This is the only way man can find true “salam” (peace). For peace comes with knowing that our sins are forgiven.
“dru”
The non-Muslim verdict on Muhammad (PBUH) If a man like Muhamed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.
George Bernard Shaw
People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same.
Professor Jules Masserman
Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was Pope without the Pope’s pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhummed, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.
Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith
Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.
Diwan Chand Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta 1935, p. l 22.
Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed . . .
John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D., A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp. 329-330
In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal rule of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world.
John Austin, “Muhammad the Prophet of Allah,” in T.P. ‘s and Cassel’s Weekly for 24th September 1927.
Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?
Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727
It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.
Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4
Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities.
Encyclopedia Britannica
I have studied him – the wonderful man – and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity.
George Bernard Shaw in “The Genuine Islam”
By a fortune absolutely unique in history, Mohammed is a threefold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion.
Dear, hymer
Thank You for the “LIBERAL” kumbaya interpretation of THE RELIGION of PEACE! The only thing ………IT’S all B.S! George Bernard Shaw ….should say it all.
The only truth being…..mohammed=mohamet=baphomet=lucifer=satan=the devil…
a Desert brigand, who liked E’m Young. The barbaric OTTOMAN EMPIRE founded upon the KO-RAN.
Islam a political, financial as well as spiritual…IDEOLOGY.
1. Compulsory ZAKAT tax
2. death for apostacy
3 Dhimmitude(subservient status of Christians & Jews) under SHARIA LAW. Essentually SLAVE status.
4. Founded the AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE…in fact still going on…DARFUR & SUDAN
5. Perpetrated ARMENIAN GENOCIDE 1915-1920………blueprint for Hitlers Holocuast.
John 14:6
‘After me there shall come the Last Prophet, Muhammad bin Abdullah.’
(saw)
“And if any man sin, we have an advocate (parakletos) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” (1 John 2:1)
Here we see that parakletos is a physical and human intercessor. It is significant that Jesus never called himself the last prophet, or even a universal prophet.
Examining each point;
Jesus said the parakletos is a human being:
John 16:13 “He will speak.”
John 16:7 “…for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you.”
It is impossible that the Comforter be the “Holy Ghost” because the Holy Ghost was present long before Jesus and during his ministry.[5]
Does this mean that the Paraclete is not present when Jesus is present? If this is the Holy Spirit, this is confusing. As mention of the Holy Spirit is made before Jesus’ birth, when his aunt Elizabeth is filled with the Holy Spirit. (Luke1:41) Her husband, the Prophet Zechariah is also filled with the Holy Spirit. (Luke 1:67) So the Holy Spirit existed before Jesus was even born. Did it exist while Jesus was in the earth? The Holy Spirit is said to have descended on Jesus in the form of a dove! (Luke 3:22) but above Jesus states that the Paraclete cannot come until he goes. Did the Paraclete depart from Jesus? Did the Prophet of Islam arrive when Jesus was still present? No.
John 16:13 Jesus referred to the paraclete as ‘he’ and not ‘it’ seven times, no other verse in the Bible contains seven masculine pronouns. Therefore, paraclete is a person, not a ghost.
Jesus points specifically to the coming of another prophet after him who would (1) be eminently truthful and trustworthy, (2) teach only what God revealed, and (3) honour Jesus by carrying the prophetic mission on to its logical conclusion.
“But when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you in all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear (from God) that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine and shall show unto you.” (John 16:13, 14)
Thus, additionally, this coming prophet would not spurn the mission of Jesus, but would recognize it and actually “glorify” Jesus by removing from association with him all the false doctrines with which others surrounded the name.
The Paraclete will glorify Jesus. The Holy Quran clear Jesus of the many charges raised against him: “And for their (Jews) saying, `We did slay the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor did they bring about his death upon the cross, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no certain knowledge thereof…” (4:158)
Does this mean that the Paraclete is not present when Jesus is present? If this is the Holy Spirit, this is confusing. As mention of the Holy Spirit is made before Jesus’ birth, when his aunt Elizabeth is filled with the Holy Spirit. (Luke1:41) Her husband, the Prophet Zechariah is also filled with the Holy Spirit. (Luke 1:67) So the Holy Spirit existed before Jesus was even born. Did it exist while Jesus was in the earth? The Holy Spirit is said to have descended on Jesus in the form of a dove! (Luke 3:22) but above Jesus states that the Paraclete cannot come until he goes. Did the Paraclete depart from Jesus? Did the Prophet of Islam arrive when Jesus was still present? No.
It is true that the Holy Spirit does abide with the people and in the people forever. Jesus speaks about his followers abiding in him and he abiding in them. (John 15:4), this of course is not to be taken literally, but symbolically. Likewise do Muslims claim that the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (sw) also lives with and in them, his legend lives on, and he is remembered by billions of people to this day.
The new Testament records Jesus as saying:
“Let not your heart be troubled, ye believe in god, believe also in me . . . I go to prepare a place for you . . . and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter (Greek parakleetos), that he may abide with you for ever: even the spirit of truth.” (John 14:1, 16, 17)Jesus says that the prophet who would come after him would be a true messenger commissioned by God who, like Jesus, would possess a heavenly Revelation from God, teaching, not words of his own composition, but whatever God gave him to speak:
If the Holy Spirit was to convince the world of sin and righteousness, what was Jesus doing? Was he not explaining what sin and righteousness was?
The Paraclete would teach all about sin and righteousness, something Jesus was unable to do. This what the Holy Prophet did, as he brought forward a complete and perfect teaching.
hi hymer
I do not think you understand who the holy spirit is, and what jesus meant.
True, the holy spirit has been around since creation and has provided the presence of God among mankind.
But there are also special moments when his presence is much more intense and dramatic, as when he fully envelopes the human spirit and causes the human to prophesy in the name of God, or perform other miracles.
Analogy: this is just to explain the difference between the existence of the holy spirit in the world in general, and the power of his presence.
We are communicating on the internet, so you have a sense of my existence. You have proof that I am here because I write back to you.
But then you were to meet me in person, and my personality or spirit overcame you to such a point that you immediately saw things as I did, and you began to feel a unity with me. You would then speak as I would, and act the same way I would. It would be like I overpowered you.
the holy spirit has been in existence since eternity.
But jesus meant that when he left this earth, that the holy spirit would come and have this powerful influence over us, such that we would speak as jesus speaks, and act as Jesus would act. our personality would be overcome, or submit, to the presence of God.
This is what happened on the feast of Pentecost, 50 days later.
jesus told them to wait in jerusalem until the comforter had come.
This means 2 things.
1. the comforter would meet them in jerusalem
2. to meet him, they would all have to be alive. so it would be in their lifetimes.
Clearly he did not expect them to wait over 500 years for Muhammed, because they would all be dead by then.
this is logic.
Now, many people have been born that glorify Jesus.
But the role of the holy spirit is to bridge the gap in communication between heaven and earth until jesus returns.
that is what he is doing now.
The fact is that before Jesus, Moses had also foretold of a great prophet in clear and precise words. When Moses went to Mount Horeb under the command of God he addressed the Israelites saying:
The Lord thy God will raise unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken. (Deuteronomy 18:15)
And again, God’s words to Moses:
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass that, whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)
Say,O Muhammad, I am a man like unto you: Only the word of God come unto me. (The Holy Quran 18: 111)
hymer
Moses was predicting Jesus, not Muhammed. Jesus was one of he bretheren, a Jew. Muhammed, although he may have had a distant relationship through Abraham, was not a bretheren. He was an arab, and considered a gentile.
i cant beware with witness that this moslims are given. i can understand muhammad is a true messenger from God. and he is the holy spirit that jesus was talking about.
Jonh
You mock the Holy Spirit when you say that Muhammad is the Holy Spirit that Jesus promised. To be a prophet, you have to say something unique about the future and it must happen. This has not muhammed done. God has been struggling with the Hebrews for several thousand years and it is in the Koran that they will wipe out the Jews from the Arab peninsula. Besides, Jesus said that he is the last one, which means that Christianity is the last. Everyone who belongs to the Christians is the last.
Jesus warned of a coming Antichrist who will deny that God has a son. The religious leader, Muhammad is the antichrist, since he said God doesn´t have a son. God would not fight with the Hebrews, and then want to exterminate them. God can see into the future. Muslims persecuting Christians in the Middle East and the scriptures says that Jesus is the King of the Jews and it does not match with the Muslims. Furthermore, it says that Israel willl be much larger country when God has performed the doom.
Muslims belong to Satan
dear jonh
if you look at the scripture the promised one was the holy spirit, who arrived 50 days later. jesus told them to wait for the comforter who would give them power. the holy spirit came on pentecost, 50 days after passover.
the holy spirit is not a man….he is God.
No offence, but Muslims love Jesus as much as Christians do
All Muslims love Jesus not as a God but as one of His prophets. Abraham has been highly placed in Islam and we Muslim prayed for his prosperity in every prayers we did.
We believe in the authentic bible of Jesus but not the one that has been doctored. From that distorted version, many confusion were made to make people become distrustful. God was repeatedly ridiculed and made be like a fake. We Muslim really hope the true biblical scripture were made available for the society to understand. Muhammad name was mentioned in that bible to tell the coming of Islam.
Muslim pray and serve the same God as Jesus did. Jesus said “The most important one,’Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all you strength. Mark 12:28-30
Hymer
You will not convince any Christian who has the Holy Spirit (God) within them to believe that the comforter was a man! Especially a sinful man such as Mohammad. The Jesus you believe in is not the Jesus of the bible, which is a book that has been protected by the Spirit of Truth. Jesus Himself, in his own words proclaimed his divinity. To deny this fact, is to deny Christ and his sacrifice on the cross, which is the final atonement for sin which is needed. To have assurance of salvation, and not just some vague hope of being “good enough”, we need only by faith to believe in the atoning power of his blood.
That power comes from his divinity. He was fully man, and also fully divine. Human sacrifice, as you were so keen to point out is of no value to the forgiveness and healing of sin. In fact it is considered an abomination to sacrifice children, as did many of the early religions of the world. In Judaism, a sacrificial system using animal sacrifice was installed. this however was a foreshadow of the supreme sacrifice of the Creator God would make on our behalf. For without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. What blood was shed by mohammad for your sins? There is none. They even believe, As you stated, that It was not Jesus who died on the cross. No blood shed= no remission of sin. No remission of sin = condemnation and death. You are welcome to believe this hopeless religion of Islam, and face the condemnation of sin, or you can repent from your ways and believe in Jesus and his sacrifice for sin. This is why Christians were called to preach the Gospel, which literally means “Good news”. Not to preach the hopelessness that is Islam.
I have heard all the arguments which Muslims make regarding the “corruption” of the Bible. They are all weak arguments, and at best false accusations. The dead sea scrolls threw a nice little monkey wrench in those arguments with regard to the Old tesament. The actions and example of the apostles, who witnessed Christ’s divinity first hand, and were willing to die for their beliefs does so with the New Testament. In fact, 99.99% of the New Testament has been verified by way of manuscripts dating to the first and second centuries AD, a time frame when witnesses to the death and crucifiction and resurrection of Christ were still alive. The fact that Christianity has survived this 2000 years is proof in the veracity of this Gospel. Despite the attacks of Satan and his minions, who have persecuted Christianity throughout the centuries.
Your religion of peace, has no true peace, because it offers no forgiveness for sin. They make up for the inadequacy with all forms of “good works”, which are not equivalent to righteousness as set forth in the Bible. For “the righteous shall live by faith”. For salvation is by faith alone through grace alone.
So before you, you have a choice. To believe that your works will save you from eternal condemnation, or that the work of the divine messiah can save you. I have made that choice, and I would be willing to die by that choice if called to. And I am at total peace and assurance of the outcome.
God bless.
I wonder if all those people Muhammad murdered, made slaves of, and raped think he is a lot of comfort.
Hello Mr. Leatherneck
Is Jesus Really God?
“Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!” (5:75).
“He [Jesus] said: ‘I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!’ Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is” (19:30-35).
John 14;6,,,Mathew 7;21.(LEATHERNECK)No More Mr.nice guy
“When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: ‘Now I have come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute. Therefore, fear God and obey me. God, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him — this is a Straight Way.’ But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement. So woe to the wrongdoers, from the penalty of a Grievous Day!” (43:63-65)
Hymer
In response to Matt 7:21, Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Therefore I will not submit to him. He is the Moon God.
THis is now the third time that I will pose the question, which you ignore. Without shed blood, there is no remission (forgiveness) of sin, where is the forgiveness of sin in islam?? Without forgiveness of sin, there is no true peace!
Dear Friend •There is no verse what so ever in bible in which God him self say ( YOU HAVE TO DO BLOOD SACRIFICE TO BE FORGIVEN ) this concept of blood offerings was done in the past by people just to come closer to GOD and not necessary means it’s the only way for forgiveness.. More over poor people used give even flour and wheat just to come closer to GOD. This is also recorded in bible. so the sacrifice is not what God wanted but he want the sincere heart that turns to God even if you did no sacrifice .
•There is no verse what so ever in bible in which Jesus says (I came to die for sins of people or unless you accept my blood you wont be saved) . But to the contrary we find so many clear verses on the tongue of Jesus him self and GOD and the old test prophets saying that the way for forgiveness is repentance. lets examine them and see for your self if the Islamic way for forgiveness is consistence with the teachings of GOD.
And we can see Allah in Quran telling us how to argue with non Muslims and one of the ways is by asking them ( bring your proof if you are truthful ) Quran 27-64: but unfortunately many have no proofs nor even worried to look for it , so we had to find them proofs in their books .
Now lets have a look at the Islamic way for forgiveness, its is simple and clear in the below verses :
Quran 20:82 am surely Forgiving for those who repent, believe, lead a righteous life, and steadfastly remain guided.
39:53 O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.”
7:153 those who commit sin but then repent afterwards and believe; your Lord after that is Forgiving, Merciful.
42:25 it is He who accepts repentance from his servants and pardons misdeeds, and He knows what you do.
2:160 hose who repent and correct themselves and make evident [what they concealed]. Those I will accept their repentance, and I am the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.
There are so many verses about this subject in Quran to the extend that there is one whole chapter in Quran called Altauba (repentance ) but now let’s go to the bible and compare and see if this Islamic idea is also taught in bible but sad to say the people who believe in bible don’t accept this idea .
Bible Verses with comment :
But go ye and learn what [that] meanest, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)
Here Jesus tell us exactly what is the way for forgiveness – its so clear he said it ( I came to call sinners to repentance ) why did not he say I came to call sinners to have faith in my blood – because he never came for this and no need for this God is always merciful to those who repent .
“I desired not sacrifices; I commanded not your fathers, when I stretched forth my hand to bring them out of Egypt, to offer burnt — offerings to me, but only to obey my voice.” Jeremiah 7:21-22
“For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgement of God rather than burnt offerings” (Hosea 6:6);
Here God tell us that these sacrifices of people its not a command from him – its they who did it just to get closer to God – while he really want them to return to him and repent.
To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. (Isaiah 1:11)
GOD want our hearts to turn to him – God is merciful — just ask ur self this question – CANT GOD FORGIVE STRAIGHT WITHOUT BLOOD? Can he or cant he? he can of course God is able to forgive – and this is the truth if humans are able to fogive one another without any price for their mercy cant god do this ? even bible confirm this clearly
Matthew 6-12 and forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who have sinned against us.
Simple – the bible put the example and show us how God forgive – its same as you forgive the one who sinned against you – if you slapped me then you felt sorry and said please forgive me – then I said ok you are forgiven – I cant say but come here pay the price I have to slap you back !! this is not called forgivness—there is no price for forgiveness – its out of the grace of the person who forgive … God forgive by his grace —you just need to repent to him and be a good person that’s it .
To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. (Proverbs 21:3)
And to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” (Mark 12:30-33)
Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams” (I Samuel 15:22)
May ALLAH swt forgive us for our sins
When Moses asked G-d who he was, G-d answered I am that I am. When Jesus was asked if he was the messiah, Jesus said I am.
Jesus made all things new. He is the first human body to live a perfect life. He died for the humans that he loved. Because, he was perfect, G-d the Father raised the word made flesh from the dead, and accepted Christ’s sacrifice for human sin.
I believe in Jesus Christ as my only hope to make it to heaven. I am in the world, but not of the world.
Islam is of the world, and Muhammad brought nothing new to the world. The ruler of this world system, Lucifer and those of the world love Islam. It denies G-d so loved the world he died to save it, and they
worship all types of false gods including the god of the Kaaba.
Good luck to you hymer. While you use human logic to understand G-d, it will not be until you seek G-d the Father in Christ’s name that you will be able to understand your blindness.
The Kaaba is the first house built for the worship of God. It is in Macca. The Kaabah is used as a focal point for prayer only, to unify the Muslims in prayer. Not as an object of worship, Muslims don’t worship the Kaaba nor any object , the God of the Muslims is the unseen, powerful , merciful God who created heavens and earth and sent the messengers such as Abraham , Moses , Jesus , Mohamed ….etc, Peace be upon all of them .
Allah choose Ka’aba as a source of Unity for all the Muslims all over the world. Ka’aba was the First House of Worship to Allah on this planet earth. Adam and Eve were instructed to build Ka’aba. Angel Gabriel was sent by Allah to show them the way and to help them build the Ka’aba.
Muslims all over the world are being blessed by Allah that Ka’aba has become a source of Unity five times a day. It is also a source of Unity during Pilgrimage (Hajj). Ka’aba brings Muslims in their memories with Adam and Eve, and later with Prophet Ibrahim and his son Ismail who reconstructed it again.so the kaaba accroding to Muslims was the FIRST house of worship built by Adam and rebuilt by Abraham:
“Verily, the first house (of worship) appointed for mankind was that in Bakka (Mecca), full of blessing, and guidance for all people.” Qur’an 3:96
According to bible : Bakka is mentioned by the prophet David (PBUH) in psalms :
“Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well, the rain also filleth the pools.” (Psalm 84:6)
Abraham was never close to the kaaba, and did not build it. Also, Adam was prior to the flood. Did the kaaba withtand the flood of Noah?
Mecca house of worship is a pagan shrine to 360 gods. The black rock at zero point can not take away sin.
Have you read a history book on the Kaaba, or just been told what to believe?
Hymer
You need only read the words of Jesus himself in mattwew 26:28.
Or Ephesians 1:7 or how he is called the “Lamb of God” by John the Baptist. I will not even bother to comment on the rest of the scripture you took out of context, especially Mark 12:30-33. Perhaps you should read verse 34. Jesus said to the scribe who wisely answered regarding the law, “You are not far from the Kingdom of God”. So I will say that to you as well. You have answered wisely with regard to repentence, and but your beliefs are not quite enough to gain entry into God’s kingdom. For apart from the shed blood of Christ, there is no remission of sin.
“dru”
hi hymer
Read Exodus 29. The entire chapter is instructions on atonement and forgiveness through the blood sacrifices of animals. Leviticus repeats the instructions.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Exd&c=29&t=KJV#33
The day of atonement was a day of repentance. Repentance was always required, but so was the blood sacrifice to accompany the repentance. The death of the animal was to remind the sinner of his own death that should have occurred due to his sin.
This blood atonement was only temporary, as it had to be made for each sin committed, and every time a sin was committed, it had to be repeated. The offering was not just for socializing with God.
All sin was punishable by death, and only a blood sacrifice would evade the death punishment. Also, the blood of animals was not an adequate substitute for the blood of sinners who needed punishment. God wanted more than just an apology.
Jesus made this method of blood atonement obsolete by offering himself as a pure sacrifice. Since he was sinless, his self sacrifice was acceptable to the Father. His covenant was to make atonement for all mankind, to achieve the Father’s forgiveness.
Jesus also said the night before his death:
The verses you quoted about mercy instead of sacrifice has o be understood in context. The people had offered sacrifices but were not sorry for their sins, and continued to sin. They were also mean. So God said he had preferred repentance and mercy instead of sacrifices and cruel behavior.
Assalamu Alaykum (‘peace be unto you’).
Dear Marianne
Islam is not a new Religion started by the Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) around 1400 years ago.It is the same truth proclaimed by all the Prophets who came before him, right from the time of Adam.Muslims believe in all the Prophets like (to name a few)Abraham,Moses and Jesus(peace be upon them all) and the divine revelations like the Torah(Jewish Holy Book) and the Bible(Christian Holy Book). But these books have been interpolated by so-called “saints” or “holy men” over a period of time to suit their whims and fancies for example, Pork is prohibited in the Torah and the Bible but these have been iterpolated and made into acceptable things over a period of time.
isaiah 66:17?
Mathew 5:17?
The Holy Qur’an clearly states-
This Qur’an is not such as can be produced by other than God; On the Contrary it is a Confirmation of (Revelation) that went before it. And a fuller explanation of the Book Wherein there is no doubt from the Lord of the Worlds. Holy Qur’an (Chapter 10, Verse 37)
dear hymer
I understand the religion fairly well. And I understand your sincere belief in it. I am just responding to the quotes from the bible.
That the bible was changed according to whim is not represented by evidence. It is just speculation. My experience with the bible is that it is very accurate.
My approach to prophetic truth in general is that if something is true, it will happen.
So I suggest to everyone to keep their eyes open to world events and watch. If they see something that requires them to change their thinking, then they should prepare to change their mind. If the event agrees with their prophecy, then it is established.
One main exception is that satan is here to deceive mankind. So we cannot believe everything we see or hear, and should question it and look to see if it is from god, or not.
peace
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.
20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked.
21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
Salam.-
In the Passion narratives, did Jesus carry his own cross or not?
Mark 15:21, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26 – Jesus gets help from Simon of Cyrene
John 19:17 – Jesus carries his own cross the whole way
Jesus is given something to drink while he is on the cross, but what?
Mark 15:23 – Jesus is given wine mixed with myrrh, but he doesn’t drink
Matthew 27:48, Luke 23:36 – Jesus is given vinegar, but he doesn’t drink
John 19:29-30 – Jesus is given vinegar and he drinks
Romans supposedly witnessed Jesus’ crucifixion, but what did they think?
Mark 15:39 – A centurion is cited as saying: “Truly this man was the son of God!”
Matthew 27:54 – A centurion is cited as saying: “Truly this was the son of God.”
Luke 23:47 – A centurion is cited as saying: “Truly this man was innocent.”
John – No centurions say anything
Mark 15:34-37, Matthew 27:46-50 – Jesus says: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” — Matthew uses “Eli” and Mark uses “Eloi”)
Luke 23:46 – Jesus says: “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.”
John 19:30 – Jesus says: “It is finished.”
Im talking about Mathew, Mark,Luke and John. Each write different Bibles about Jesus. One of them states Jesus was ready to die for us on the cross then the other states Jesus was scared. They all Verse each other with different words.
And you still believe in it?
yes…see below for my answer where there is more room.
In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
There is no other god beside GOD
[7:187] They ask you about the end of the world (the Hour),* and when it will come to pass. Say, “The knowledge thereof is with my Lord. Only He reveals its time.* Heavy it is, in the heavens and the earth. It will not come to you except suddenly.”** They ask you as if you are in control thereof. Say, “The knowledge thereof is with GOD,” but most people do not know.
Messengers Are Powerless; They Do Not Know the Future.
[7:188] Say, “I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself. Only what GOD wills happens to me. If I knew the future, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe.”
10:38 Or do they say, “He forged it”? say: “Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!”
57:16 Has not the Time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors.
Hymer
“Truly, truly I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my (Jesus) name, he will give it to you.”(John 16:23) So are you praying in Jesus name or in mohammad’s? Are you praying to Allah or Yahweh? Are you praying to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, or the god of Ishmael? Was Jesus a Jew, and a decendent of Isaac and Israel (Jacob), or a decendent of Ishmael? His Father, therefore is the God of Isaac and Jacob, and not the god of Ishmael. Isaac was the child and heir of promise, Ishmael was not.
As for “changes” in the bible, The quran has been changed by Imams like a chamelion in a paint store. If you do not believe in the Holy Spirit and its ability to protect the Word of God, then how can you trust the quran is accurate? As I said, 99.99% of the NT has been corroborated by texts dating back to the first and second century. Much of it has also been attested to by multiple sources. If you were a late first and early second century Christian, (which is the time you are claiming the Bible was altered), would you willingly suffer persecution and Martyrdom for that lie, as did Polycarp, A leader in the church of Smyrna? Remember this is the church that was Spoken of by John in revalation. And Polycarp was “faithful unto death”. Or how about the testimony of Stephen (The Martyr in Acts) Who called out “Lord Jesus receive my spirit” upon his death. He knew the testimony of Jesus to be true, as he was a witness to the events, and had no bible to read. What he had was the comforter, the Holy Spirit, of which he had his fill (Acts 6:5).
You will see in acts that ALL the apostles, preached the death burial and resurection of Jesus, and they died for that belief. They preached the blood sacrifice on the cross everytime they celebrated the bread and the cup of the new covenent. And they all died for their beliefs, knowing what was true. That the power of the blood was in Jesus divinity. For in his blood is the power to forgive our sins.
hi hymer
I am going to repeat your arguments then give an answer below them.
Salam.-
In the Passion narratives, did Jesus carry his own cross or not?
Mark 15:21, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26 – Jesus gets help from Simon of Cyrene
John 19:17 – Jesus carries his own cross the whole way
Jesus is given something to drink while he is on the cross, but what?
Mark 15:23 – Jesus is given wine mixed with myrrh, but he doesn’t drink
Matthew 27:48, Luke 23:36 – Jesus is given vinegar, but he doesn’t drink
John 19:29-30 – Jesus is given vinegar and he drinks
Romans supposedly witnessed Jesus’ crucifixion, but what did they think?
Mark 15:39 – A centurion is cited as saying: “Truly this man was the son of God!”
Matthew 27:54 – A centurion is cited as saying: “Truly this was the son of God.”
Luke 23:47 – A centurion is cited as saying: “Truly this man was innocent.”
John – No centurions say anything
Mark 15:34-37, Matthew 27:46-50 – Jesus says: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” — Matthew uses “Eli” and Mark uses “Eloi”)
Luke 23:46 – Jesus says: “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.”
John 19:30 – Jesus says: “It is finished.”
Im talking about Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Each write different Bibles about Jesus. One of them states Jesus was ready to die for us on the cross then the other states Jesus was scared. They all Verse each other with different words.
And you still believe in it?
Hymer,
If I could add one thing to Marianne’s reply to you above.
When Yeshua called out “My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me? and in Matthew it is recorded as saying “Eli”, that would be Hebrew, where “Elio”, (as recorded in Mark), would be the Syro-Chaldaic, or Aramaic, (the common language that was used by the Jews at the time). They both express the same thing.
What is more important though, is that Yeshua said it at all. For it wasn’t necessarily a cry of fear.
All of the Jews of the day knew all of the scripture of Tanakh by heart, so with those that heard Yeshua say these words, they would automatically recall the 22 Psalm. They would then realize, that this prophetic Psalm is now being fulfilled right before their eyes, just as it had been written hundreds of years beforehand.
As discussed earlier, the Quran clearly affirms that Jesus was a prophet, as well as the fact that he was no more than that. Prophets are indeed the best of creation. They are those whom God chooses to receive His revelation, yet at the same time, they are mere emissaries of God and do not deserve to receive worship. Jesus, as mentioned in the Quran, is no different than any of them in this respect.
Throughout the Quran, Jesus is identified fundamentally as a prophet of God sent to the Jews who had over time deviated from the teachings of Moses and other messengers.
“And (remember) when Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O Children of Israel, I am the Messenger of God sent to you, confirming the Torah (which came) before me…’” (Quran 61:6)
Jesus Christ, the son of Mary, was the last in the line of Jewish prophets. He lived according to the Torah, the Law of Moses, and taught his followers to do likewise. In Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus stated:
“Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the (way of) the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
In this aspect, he and his message was no different than the previous prophets chosen by God, who all called to the worship of God and God alone, as well as to obedience to His commandments. As he was miraculously supported by God in his conception, birth, and childhood, he was also supported by numerous miracles to prove that he was a messenger from God. However, the majority of the Jews rejected his prophethood.
Not only did Jesus affirm the scriptures revealed before him, but he also foretold of another prophet to come after him. God says:
“And when Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O Children of Israel! Indeed I am the messenger of God unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who will come after me, whose name is the Praised One.’” (Quran 61:6)
This fact is also mentioned in the New Testament. Careful study shows that Jesus, peace be upon him, refers to the same prophet in John 14:16-17:
“And I will give you another Counselor (the Prophet Muhammad, may God praise him), to be with you forever, even the Spirit of Truth.”
(to be continued…InshahAllah)
Hymer
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth, WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, BECAUSE IT NEITHER SEES HIM NOR KNOWS HIM. You (apostles) know him, For he DWELLS WITH YOU (in the form of Jesus, One part of the triune God) and will BE IN YOU (future, In Spirit).” (Emphasis and parenthesis mine)
Mohammad is known by the world, He was seen by the world, he was received by a large part of the world, He does not dwell with you currently and he is not “IN YOU”. Therefore Mohammad does not equate with the “comforter”. Five negatives do not add up to a positive. Your logic is flawed.
Sorry try again.
I can’t believe there are people in here who say they come to this site a Christian and leave a Muslim because the things that you alone write of Hymer are full of half truths and out right lies and deceptions. The scriptures your Qu’ran speaks of are not direct quotes but Muhammeds pitiful rendition of what he perceives it to say and what will make it appear that he is the Holy Spirit and the is a dangerous blasphemy for any to make no matter who you are.
The Holy Spirit is Himself the Holy Spirit that would and did come and not the killer and pedophile Muhammed. This is a terrible dangerous thing to say for none may sin against the Holy Spirit and for this claim to be made by a man like Muhammed or you is even more terrible.
I have read the texts from your Hadiths and Sura as well and know that even when the words are declared that heavan would be full of pubescent boys as well 72 virgins that this is a description of the sexual sins with little boys allowed in heavan and this is an abomination to the Lord and His scriptures said the sins of Homosexuality and Lesbianism for which Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed as an example to testify the evil of this sin is evil and here your Hadiths make boast of this evil as reward for blowing up the infidels.
You boast of these evils and dare to quote Scripture from the Bible in its twisted and altered form by Muhammed used to prove him prophet which he clearly was not for nothing he ever said was profound or truth. He preached his own gospel to suit his dirty imaginings even when he was taking wives he desired from his adopted son. He was an evil man and you try to promote him here as Holy Spirit? Take care for I warn you here this is dangerous to do for it is to Him you and all muslims who preach this must answer to and not to the likes of us. We are but people and He it is who you blaspheme.
OK Hymer, we get it. You have chosen to believe Jesus was just a prophet, and not the son of G-d called the word made flesh. Also, you have chosen to follow a man named Muhammad who raped, and murdered.
Did I miss anything?
You have missed nothing Leatherneck for this is muslim preaching online by one who is twisting the texts to bring out his own that maybe may trip up the simple. He plays a dangerous game and I have read in place where some have fallen to Islams’ cheaper lies.
These are no discussions of religions but they are nets cast out by muslims/ the evil one seeking whom he may devour. It is a dangerous game he plays.
We do not know exactly the original Aramaic word that Jesus used for the Comforter. Other Bibles use Consoler, Advocate, Helper, and in Greek Bibles the word is Baraclete. There are different explanations for the Comforter: the Holy Ghost, the Word, a person, etc. In John 14:18, Jesus said: “I will not leave you comfortless.” This means that he referred to himself as Comforter. However, in John 14:26, the Comforter is referred to as the Holy Ghost! And Christian preachers assure their audience that the comforter is the Holy Ghost, without any mention to the following references from John 15:26: “…he shall testify of me.”
John 16:7-8 “…It is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:”
John 16:13-14 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth, for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak, and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”
Does the above descriptions fit the Holy Ghost, spirit, or a person? The comforter is described as to be able to hear and speak; does this fit a spirit or a person? Did a deliberate adaptation of the Bible add a few words here and there to alter the intended meanings that predicted the advent of a prophet after Jesus? Was the Holy Ghost absent when Jesus was on Earth, and it was waiting for him to depart, so it can guide the believers? Without any prejudice, one can honestly conclude that Jesus was talking about a prophet that will establish righteousness and Judgment. This is what Muhammad accomplished: righteousness and Judgment, faith and law.
Whatever the explanation is for the Comforter, we conclude that Jesus left unfinished work and that someone was coming to complete his mission.
dear Naz
At first I thought you had it right, then you went haywire.
The holy spirit DOES testify of Jesus. he is the comforter. He does speak and hear. Muslims do not know this, because they have no relationship with him.
The holy spirit speaks to me every day. And he does his job of glorifying Jesus to mankind’s hearts.
Jesus finished what he came to do. He said on the cross, “It is finished.” He did not say “This will be continued.”
Jesus also told the apostles to wait in Jerusalem for the comforter.
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with [them], [Jesus] commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me.
The holy spirit came 50 days later on Pentecost.
This is called the baptism of the holy spirit, or the baptism of fire.
Jesus would have never told them to wait, if he was expecting a person to show up 500 years later. None of the followers could have lived that long.
The job of the holy spirit was to give the power to witness about Jesus to the ends of the earth, and give them the words to say.
Muhammed never received the holy spirit baptism. And while he mentions Jesus in the Quran, he did not spend all his time glorifying Jesus. In fact, he got the name of Jesus wrong, and called him Isa, which was the name of someone else. He also demoted Jesus from being the son of God to just a mere prophet. This is not glorifying him.
THere is also nothing comforting about Muhammed. He was a war lord, and spent most of his time killing people and forcing his views on them, under threat of death. He also had sex with a child, which does not glorify God at all, and breaks the commandments of God against impurity and lust.
Muhammad who murdered, and raped, did not do anything but bring a different version of an already existing pagan religion. It is called moon god worship, or the god of the Kaaba. One of 360 gods that were there.
That is why Muhammad did not have to explain who the god was. Everyone knew who it was.
The god is greatest. Greatest of what? Greatest of all other gods at the Kaaba. The kaaba which Abrahm was never close to, nor build. Also, the black rock can not take away sin.
Do you think Muhammad comforted a seven year old wife, then raped her at nine? What kind of comfort is that?
I know this is an old heading and I havent had much time for awhile to come in and do my reading but I am still glad to see that you Leatherneck and Marianne have come back on Naz to dispute his claim of the evil man Muhammed whose infamy led the slaughter of countless hundreds of millions for his vile political/religious wars against non-muslims and his vile teachings that finds it acceptable to shoot little girls in the face because they want to be educated and not ignorant as Islam keeps most of their people. Pity! Pity! Pity to those who so easily fall under such cheap and poisonous teachings to deceive any who would be caged for their souls!
Naz and Hymer are using this site to preach the doctrines of the anti-christ and its’ false prophet of their demi-god and though they may seem smooth tongued to listen to they are twisting everything to suit their preaching and spread their net as wide as they can and I have read in here where some have fallen under these evil lies, for lies and deceits they preach and when you have not read the evil books of the Qu’ran, Hadiths, and Surah you may be easily deceived by their preaching event Islamic revised Hebrew and Greek scripture they revise and alter with their own Islamic ideas that suits the goal of making Muhammed both prophet and Holy Spirit and this is an evil deed! Subtle are the lies of the deceiver and they are woven everywhere but, when they re-weave the Holy Scriptures that are the true Word of God to make the Muhammed messages the reason for all their deception then you know they do not need the truth because they have it and are twisting it constantly. The subtle deceiver ever weaves his lies where some could accept a pedophile and his dreams in the qu’ran of pre-pubescent boys in heavan with his eternal virgins.
These obscene descriptions of his heavan makes a mockery of God and His Comforter the Holy Spirit when they declare Muhammed equal to the Living God by saying this man stuck in puberty is holy or is the Holy Spirit that was to come! It is a dirty joke of dirty old men if it was not declared to the innocent as being the real god they should bow to at point of death with their necks under their sword! Shame on Islam and Muhammed and all who follow such blasphemous lies!
Islam is d opposite of d truth in d bible. Muhameed is not 4rm God. D holy spirit is d comforter. D bible says that any sin against d holy spirit can not be forgiven. Watch your tongues children
Why did Christianity take on so many pagan beliefs?
First off, I am a Christian. But I started to question it and look into what I was actually believing. These are questions…
I was looking at the trinity and found out that it wasn’t until 300 years later after Jesus died that Christians started calling Jesus God. How did the Nicea council come to this conclusion when no where in the Bible Jesus calls himself God?
Why did we adopt the belief Jesus was born on Dec 25th when we have no evidence of this? Did Mithriasm have this date first and Christians adopt it to help convert the pagans?
Why do we say the Resurrection of Jesus was on Easter but that day is a pagan holiday. Did we also use this date to convert pagans easily?
Did paul, known for prosecuting Christians and openly admitting it and also being a pagan too, think of it as some kind of joke to mess around with Christianity and get Christians to believe in a false god or did he really want to be a Christianr and God really did speak with him? (Paul wrote most of the new testament)
I am sure there are more pagan beliefs that have found their way into Christianity. Were these pagan beliefs adopted so Christians could convert pagans?
Again these are real questions, I am just questioning my beliefs.
hi matthew
Jesus and Christianity and the gospel message is real. You just have to go back to the bible to find it.
How Christianity got paganized and twisted up is a tragedy, and was predicted long ago by Jesus…that there would be a great falling away, that “another Jesus” would be preached…..so all along, there has only been a remnant that was true in their beliefs. It is this remnant that jesus is returning for. Constantine paganized the faith to make it appealing to his followers, and to help unite his empire under one faith.
Do not give up on your faith. Go back to the truth of the bible and read it for yourself. Do not accept any package of religion. What jesus taught was truth and holiness, repentance and salvation. We cannot come before a holy God in sin, and so we need to examine ourselves in the light of God’s teachings.
Jesus did say he was both the son of man, and the son of God, but you have to understand what he meant, and how this ties into the oneness of God. the way he meant it, there is no contradiction with this oneness.
Dear Matthew,
how are you? Hope all is well with you.
I read your comment and wondered what type of Christian you are? What is your definition of Christian?
I can see that you raised questions which are generally raised by Muslims from their ignorance and lack of courage to investigate the issue.
1. Who told you that Trinity was invented in council of Nicea?
2. Did you ever investigated about how 25th December was adopted? Do you know that no Christian who has little depth in his faith celebrates Christmas as tradition? Do you know that you are free NOT to celebrate Christmas?
3. It is quite interesting that you think St Paul was a pagan. Kindly do proper research before making such comments. It shows your lack of knowledge and raises no question whatsoever.
4. Do you want to say that St Paul was invoking name of Jesus and people were healed by that name is not pointing to something? Have you ever read St Paul’s words and studied them or just blabbering?
5. You mentioned Mithra. Are you also suggesting that as Quran mentions virgin birth of Isa Masih, Islam also have pagan influence?
Brother, your questions are not real. The real question is have you explored the topics with honest and unbiased heart and open mind so that you can embrace the truth?
For your information, I am a muslim.
Peace
For Christ say “Seek the truth and the truth shall set u free”. A word is enough for the Christians…
Indeed… Jesus said, “I am the truth.”
Seek the truth and truth will set you free… a blessing from God.
Jesus states in the Sermon on the Mount, in Matthew 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,’
will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only he who does the will of my Father
who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day,
`Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name,
and in your name drive out demons
and perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly,
`I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'”
It would be good if we all examined our motives, to make sure this is not true of ourselves. thanks.
Salam,
Most people do not care to check the context. Kindly read from Mathew 7.15 onwards.
Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
And Jesus reject these wolves in v23.
Have a nice day…
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Islam Pagan - Page 28 - Christian Forums said this on May 2, 2012 at 7:32 am |
I think Christ’s blood has power to save anyone, including a Muslim.
Muslim mainly reject Jesus as literal son of God. To that, we Christians can agree. Jesus was not literally son of God but he was Son of God (a title). All English translations use capitalisation for Son, Son of God, Son of Man, Father etc.
We need to make this point very clear to Muslims. But I see that we try to prove Jesus was a son of God. We are so afraid to accept that Jesus was a man.
We miss the fact that with Muslims we need to start with ONE GOD and lead them to prophesied Messiah, prophet Jesus. When they study and learn more about Jesus, they will realise that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of Most Holy. We can see such progression of knowledge among apostles, too.
We also forget that the thief who died with Jesus was promised paradise. Now, can we say that that thief knew Christian dogmas and doctrines??? It is simple faith and pleading from heart granted him the paradise. Not even baptism which is outward sign of inward work of God.
Is it not surprising that Pharisees were left behind when common people accepted Christ and entered paradise? We Christians have entangled ourselves like Pharisees in complex doctrines.
There is no surprise that Muslims reject such complexity and embrace simple Islamic faith of total trust in Allah for forgiveness of sins.
Jesus’ blood can save all, but we are not carrying the simple gospel but heavy doctrines!
Peace…
dear Truth
I agree. We should start out with common ground, and then explain simply from there, rather than giving complex doctrines.
i agree. We should not condemn other faiths, but provide a holy witness to them, to help them receive salvation.
Jesus was a man and God.
Most Christians do not realise/discern this simple truth and indulge in complex doctrine. Most people do not need it.
When we declare (actually the Bible does) Jesus as man, we show that we truly understand God’s plan for our salvation. If Jesus is not man then he can’t be the Christ, the king of the kingdom of God. Thereby Jesus cannot invite us into the kingdom of God forever and be the path of our salvation.
good video
thank you
Truth,
I respect your honesty in your approach. With that in mind, I would like to ask you a couple of honest questions.
What happens if Knowing Jesus as found in Matthew 7:15, and onwards is based on realizing that he is our Master (God)?
I am not saying this for hostility, or for doctrine, but rather from relationship. I know Muslims have a problem with the trinity, and I would like to express it in a different way to you, and see what you think? Mathematically the Muslims see the trinity as 1+1+1=3. This contradicts the fact that there can only be one God. What happens if instead of adding, we state it as follows: 1x1x1=1 1/1=1 God the father is fully God, Jesus the Son is fully God, The Holy Spirit is fully God. When together, they are one God, when Distinct they are one God. I know Jesus as Lord, the Apostles all confessed Jesus as Lord in their writings. The word Lord in Greek is KYRIOS, which means Master. Jesus said we cannot serve two masters. When Thomas Said to Jesus, “My Lord and My God” he was not serving two masters, but One. The Error we Humans make is that we Add and subtract God, when he Multiplies and divides. This may seem like doctrine to you, But to me it is Knowing Jesus, and his Love. His death on the cross was perfect love. And God IS Love. I think You will see that expressed mathematically, the trinity is not a complex doctrine, but a simple equation.
God Bless.
Hi Dru,
There is nothing wrong to project Jesus as the master but how can you raise human master to God’s level? We differentiate God as the Master and a human as a master.
The Bible teaches about Christ, the king who has the authority to allow someone to enter God’s kingdom. Based on that those who accept Christ and are permitted into kingdom of God, are no longer citizen of this world but citizen of kingdom of God. So they will not be judged with the world on the judgment day and will enter paradise.
As you can see that this teaching does not have any complex doctrine of atonement but a simple to understand story. Here you make faith in Jesus essential for entering paradise even without raising Him to God’s level.
Matthew 7:21-23 is actually used by Muslims to warn Christians for believing false things taught by false prophets. In fact, we have to tell them to refer Mat 7.15 and read everything in context. I do not see how can you use these verses to project Jesus as the Master (not the master)?
Now when you say 1x1x1 then you are creating a confusion. It gives an impression that there are three gods but they are one God. Actually when Muslims say, “1+1+1=1?” then I generally reply by saying, “That is wrong Math and Christians do not teach such. So i can’t argue on that but tell me 1+1=10 is true or false?” I add that I can prove 1+1=10.
Almost all Muslims say that 1+1=10 is false. So I tell them, “It is a true statement and in binary 1+1=10 where 10 is representing two. We need to learn binary and grow in knowledge to find seemingly illogical statement 1+1=10 as true, same way we need to learn and grow in knowledge to understand trinity means one God. With your current knowledge you cannot understand trinity just like you failed to understand 1+1=10. Trinity is totally logical and understandable if YOU learn and grow in knowledge.”
It is sad that most Muslims do not choose to grow in knowledge and remain away from the light of truth. Muslims are blinded by Islam and even simple illustrations cannot help them. We simply have to present the gospel and just pray for them…
Truth, There is nothing, absolutely ‘nothing’ Simple about Islam. This condemnatory rhetoric that lends to deceit and silence makes heaven weep. It is a politically correct liberalism that has been consuming Christiaity and the lefts of this world and is great for those who wish to appear lukewarm and is found to be successful in uniting everything under liberalism, Islam and other religions as a peaceful lie while the slaughter and abuse by Islam takes place under our noses. The last day Laodicean Age is arrived and is in full swing.
Dear Marie Jean,
You are right that there is nothing simple about Islam but for common Muslims Islam is nothing but simple. We know what is Islam but those who are deceived, it is simple path.
All praise to God that He kept us safe in blood of Christ.
Truth, Of course Christ can save to the Uttermost all who come too him. His blood sacrifice has paid the price for all who repent of their sins and come to Him.
It has been very clear to Muslims who have slaughtered Christians, Jews and non-muslims for 1400 years by the hundreds of millions (Islam outside of evolutionism is the youngest religion on earth) what Christianity is about since they rewrote the entire Bible the way they think it should be. Christianity is not new to them who have had it preached 1400 years. Who cares about dogmas and doctrines of aniy religion; they are man made and a waste of our breath let alone words. Muslims have always rejected Christianity just like any other man on earth would as they please, for they are free to choose Salvation or the most male egotistical religion ever created by sharia allowing them to do whatever they please to their women children and their neighbor because by Sharia they are the top of the food chain. We should not be babying or fawning on Islam or muslims. They need the truth and that clean and clear with right hearts that they may know the truth as your name implies.
Hello Marie Jean,
I believe that you have closely studied Islam. You are right in what you observed.
It is also true that we Christians like to project Jesus as God. The doctrine of Trinity is found a hindrance with Muslims and so we Christians have now modified Arabic Bible and removed Son of God so that ‘gospel’ can be preached.
Unfortunately, rich Christian ministries cannot tell that the truth of Jesus is that He is Son of God, the prophesied Messiah. They cannot repeat what prophet Yahya proclaimed, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1.29). So they gave yet another, and this time more valid reason to mock Christians for having Bible with different VERSIONS!!!
But this is a different topic…
As I’ve read all the comments from top to bottom,I’ve learned too much in both religion what are there beliefs and traditions and both parties do their best to testify on their faith.
Its nice that we have this site so people like me could read and share our thoughts base on what we know about Jesus,Alla,God,Muslims and Christians,but its not good to conclude that Islam or Muslim is fake or even Jesus didn’t die so forth.by saying these we already judged them based on what we know.To remind you brothers and sisters even the most intellectual human being cant compare his or herself to the divine knowledge of god. GOD made the bible and let it be interpret in so many ways because he wants us to prosper.Even if you scramble the story or turn it upside down,it will only come up with the same output,”There is a GOD”.it doesn’t matter if you’re a descendants of Moses,Abraham,Isaac or any other prophets.It doesn’t matter if you’re Muslims,Christians or any other religion.What really matters is how we love one another and be a doer of our faith.God Bless all the believers who continue spreading the message of the lord.
dear love them like christ
while our ancestry does not matter , our salvation does.
there is only one way to the Father God, and that is through Jesus.
so if you are muslim or another religion, or a bad christian, you are not assured salvation and heaven until you repent of your sins, turn from sin, and deveolp a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
just “loving one another” is not enough, even though that is a nice start.
jesus did not die a bloody death on the cross for us to ignore that.
I respect what you know and I’m very open minded to take all your ideas based on what you know about our faith,honestly speaking I end up in this site because I’m confused(after reading other religion views about Jesus),weather Christianity is the only way to salvation or is not,does the Holy Trinity exist(3 persona but one god) or we(Christians)just made it all?
Even though I’m Christian,I dont want to be biased.I want to stay neutral because I want also to understand and respect other religion thoughts about our faith,cause I want also other religion to respect our beliefs in our faith.
atm I’m working as an expat in the middle east that we all know 90% of the population are Muslims.I can say that they are Muslims that very dedicated about their faith(reading books related to Koran in time to time),laying down (I dont know whats the term for that)praying to Allah and some didn’t practice their faith,rude and dont respect others especially expat ( they think of us as a slave rather than an employee).I remember one time in Ramadan(which they said its the holy month)We saw two guys fought each other,I dont know if they are under the influence of drugs (which I heard they are) or what so ever.on the other hand some of us Christians are the same,In the Philippines which is 100% Catholics are very dedicated to our faith,but yet some didn’t practice it,Corruption is an output of selfishness and greediness.Mass killing and bribery is an output of hunger to power and wealth.
I believe all of this things is base on what the lord gave us in the very beginning,”Freedom”.It’s true without freedom there’s no evil but its also true that without freedom we cant choose to love someone,study what we want or even be what we are right now.
Choosing is a part of life because we have freedom.we have the freewill to believed that Jesus died or not,Holy Trinity exist or not,to stay in the dark even the lord already told us the light,but remember in choosing we are responsible on what we decide,its like good things = good outcome bad things = bad,we may experience this good or bad things ourselves or others.
e.g good things – donating in an orphanage,church or other good organization that will spread the goodness of god.by this we choose to do good if we have extra blessing that the lord gave us.We choose to do good not to benefit our self but others.
Bad things – corruption,you may not experience the bad things you’ve done but others will do.you can rest all day long buying things you want not thinking of others working all day tired,hungry and thirsty just to survive a day.
We are bond to this kind of mistakes and failures because we are human.but God will triumph over evil.In the end of the day there’s God welcoming us to his arms once again.
While I’m writing this message to you,I once again saw the presence of god within me.I recalled that his working with me,guiding me always.As I stated above,I’m confused but now I’m enlightened once again.Thanks for the message Marianne I hope others will see what we already see and I wish I can have plenty time talking to you about our faith.
dear love them
I respect your search in your faith , and your observation of good and evil in others.
We are saved, but fight the flesh daily. Depending upon how important we make god in our lives, we will succeed in overcoming he challenges.
There is an appointed time for each person to have the opportunity to accept salvation. This applies to nations as well as individuals.
For those who seem devoted to their muslim or other faith, understand god sees this also. It may be that God will save them at some future point. The bible says, seek and you will find. There have been many muslims who have come to acccept jesus as their savior and lord. Pray that more do the same thing.
Continue to love those around you. Pray for them, that they come to know a greater joy, and have eternal life. it may be that this is the reason you are there. Not for work but for their souls.
very inspiring message especially the last paragraph as if the lord is talking to me. Love them like Christ 😀 thanks again and dont worry I will do it in all of my heart.Thanks
I am a Christian priest, I had all my life believed that we Christians are not evil and believed other humans are misguided. I realized one thing that no Muslim says bad to our Jesus and we say so much bad. This is because of this forum I had started to read the Quran. I had never felt so relaxed and comfort in my life. I as a person now could say this is the religion that may have been from day one Jewish christian and muslim is Abraham religion. I today am confused to what I believe in. When I was taught and was trained to become a priest i was told to see each passage as supernatural and it can not be thought in a normal way. When i read quran i did not struggle to understand. I was reading it as the words flying towards me. In the quran there is no evil. I started to read it thinking this quran is evil and the first page i opened it said “”I seek protection from God against the Devil”
“In the name of God,the Most Gracious,the Most Merciful”
A’uzu =I seek protection
bi=with
llahi=God
min=from
ash shaitani =Satan
It amazed me. Today on this forum I am becoming a believer(Muslim)
There is no god except Allah and Prophet Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah
I also believe that Jesus aka Isa son of Mary was sent down to the world to be shown to the Jews as miracle, and not to change the religion. Isa had bought the same religion.
I hope the god will guide you all
John
It is a very common practice for Muslims to pretend they are converts fro Christianity so they can come to Christian sites and proselytize.
I can tell by your words, that you have never been a christian priest. Priests are smart and are not confused by the bible..
Have a blessed day
Muhammad said it was OK to lie to infidels. So, I understand where you are coming from.
BTW, could you please write Allah, or the god of the Kaabba, not G-d, as the god of the Kaabba is known to history as Sin.
Thanks a bunch,
To John who said : “I am a Christian priest, I had all my life believed that we Christians are not evil and believed other humans are misguided. I realized one thing that no Muslim says bad to our Jesus and we say so much bad.”
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Dear brother,
I am a muslim and I disagree with you. There is no way but Isa Masih because HE is the KING of kingdom of God…
I am of the religion of islam as God revealed through Isa Masih.
Peace to you and your family…
PS: Those who do not know:
1. muslim means a submitter (not Muslim, which means follower of Mohammad)
2. islam means religion of submission (not Islam, religion of Mohammadians)
John I am stymmied to hear you say peace…how does someone have peace with the evil and violent Islam. How can I sit back and not cry out to those who stand at the mouth of hell and not want to pull you back and sit peacefully back smiling now isn’t this nice sitting at the mouth of hell together and we are all friends??? This is desparately unreal. Nothing in Islam is peace …listen to this on utube… sex and marriage with a baby and hear it from the mouth of a former muslim.You have obviously not read all the violent texts and hate of all non-muslims and those who do not submit to allah of Muhammed. You have not read the hadiths, buqhari of 6 yr old Aishas words about the pervert who whe was given to, Muhammed. This is all peaceful to muslim males of course!
Anyone can fill the pages of the internet with truth and facts of Islam and its’ violence to mankind and find it not surprizing that the scriptures of Ezekiel 38 & 39 disclose that God in His Wrath and judgement on Islam after watching them slaughter His children will leave only but one sixth alive because they are so tainted with infamous violence to men women and children ! But someone who claims to be a priest? No you knew not my beloved Heavanly Father or of His Saviour Yeshua nor have you the Prescence of the Most Holy Comforter with you today if you follow this Islam for it has not changed.
Shame on anyone who keeps their mouths shut at the mouth of hell and say this is a wonderful peaceful thing we can experience and how nice that we are friends.
Muft’khathat on babies and toddlers. Muhammad did it on his child bride Aisha, also on his little cousins and grandsons.
http://www.meforum.org/3260/american-martyrs
Ayatollah Khomeini, generally regarded as one of the leading Muslims of the twentieth century, wrote”A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.”
From Bukhari
231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”
232:
Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.
233:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.
Dear friend John, kindly watch this video and let me know whether your heart cried for those young girls of Yemen? Irrespective of religion, we are one in identifying evil.
It is upto you to decide whether the Saudis, who are holding the holiest place of Muslims, Mecca, are doing evil or doing things worthy for the followers of Allah?
It is my request to all of you to take some time immediately after watching the video and pray for the young girls of Yemen who were exploited/molested in the name of marriage.
Then you John have never known our Beloved Saviour or the Wonderful Heavanly Father who has given us this Wonderful Salvation back to him and He has given this salvation freely but, you cannot know Him if you would choose a pedophile/rapist/adulterer and killer like Muhammed. And if you knew Him who died for us all then you are even more of a pity to hear for what evil you have chosen to follow. They speak with smooth tongues while they rape the women and children of their lands and they paint themselves in white robes and their false prophets like whited sepuchres. Oh what a sad day when someone would choose such death to life. Have you listened to the video above that dear Truth of Jesus has set here because if you have then you walk open eyed into a den of Satan for they are indeed an evil people hurting even the innocent that is their own. Oh shame on any to fall under such vile deceits.
You may still turn from this killer of Hundreds of millions of non-muslims of the earth and yet learn of the Precious Saviour who died for you and I and be saved if you just confess your sins and ask Jesus to save you and come into your heart to dwell a companion forever.
hi
i read your blog
actually i am a Muslim
first thanks for every thing
sec the difference between u and me is one thing
Actually .. That this difference summarizes everything
u think like a faithful Christian
and i think like a faithful Muslim
prophet Mohammad said that he is just a human
he said that prophet isa just a human
he did not take any thing to his self
he order us to do the right things
To tell the truth
he order us to tend to peace if he others wanted
The call to Islam with a good words
to hold the Virtues tight
he order us to never drink alcohol
he order us to have sex with our wifes only
Abstract
he wanted every thing truth
he wanted us to believe in the Allah way
nothing more nothing less
sorry 4 my bad English
peace to you Mostafa
There are things that Muslims believe that I agree with.
I just pray you come to understand who Jesus really is.
We both believe he will return soon, so I pray your get the revelation then, if not before.
MD
First of all to be a pophet you need to say anything about the future and it must happen. Muhammed haven´t said anything about future and it happenend so he is not a Prophet.
In Koran it says kill all the Jews from the arabic halv island. So Muhammed did not tend to peace.
To have sex with wifes only is copied from the new testament where the apostles says don´t go in to relationships outside a marriage.
Muhammed is nothing else but Satans messenger.
Marianna
I am a Muslim and I believe that Christ will return .. But you as A Christian believe that he will return as the son of God .. but I believe that he is A Messenger of God .. Human beings like you and me .. But God loves us and make The Christ A Messenger .. Tells us to follow God’s way .. Just like the Prophet Mohammad ..peace be upon them
dear Mostafa
peace
Yes. I understand the Muslim beliefs.
I believe what Jesus said about himself. He said he was the (spirit) son of God, and he also had a message from God, and a work to do here on earth.
He was son of God in heaven before he came to earth, and he is son of God now also.
This was a father and son relationship, but was not the result of a marriage of God with anyone. God is creator. he does what he chooses.
Jesus was the son of god in a human body. the bible says there is nothing too hard for god to do.
God sent Jesus into a human body so he could minister to us, and teach us how to become spiritual sons and daughters of god also. this way, we could all have a special place in heaven with the Father God and Jesus, a place of great joy.
When he returns, I hope you see this.
MD
Jesus warned us about a man that should come and Jesus said he will deny the father and the son and that he is an AntiChrist. Muhammed denied the father and the son so Muhammed is an Antichrist = My enemy.
it saddens me when I see other religions(specially Muslims) thoughts about Jesus Christ, They think that Jesus didn’t die on the cross(correct me if I’m wrong)but take a look at these videos
These are the proofs that Jesus died on the cross.The first video describes the shroud of Turin,a cloth that was used to wrap Jesus corps and the second one describes a boy who tell what he saw,after he had died and went up to heaven.The third video explains the complete details from where he was arrested to his crucifixion and burial.I pray that these videos help them find Jesus as their savior.
I’m sure that the Father is also sad about this,They are still the same,after all of the miracles and lessons that Jesus told them since the beginning of his life here on earth.I think the reason behind that is this:
37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40 “He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”
41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.
are they really not bound to salvation?what can we do in order for them to be saved?
I believed that if we pray for them and ask Jesus to challenge them and put their faith to the test,I think they would say that Jesus is the Savior and the son of God.Indeed he warned us about those false prophet and even he predicted the way he will die and who will betray him,all of that came true.He predicted this in order for us to say who he really was.He did this all to fulfill the scriptures and to save us from our sin.
May the blessings of Allah (God) be with Jesus, peace be upon him and his mother Mary. By saying this I am following the injunctions of the Holy Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. and that is Islam for you. Peace.
Rabiu
Peace to you as well.
Allah means the god. As in, the god of the Kaabba. Also, known to history as the god Sin.
Allah Akbar! The god is greatest! The god is greatest of what? all other gods at the Kaabba. A pagan shrine with 360 pagan gods. Sin is the moon god, or greatest of the all. Sin is Tammauz reborn. Superman.
Kuwait: The prince’s mysterious conversion
http://www.levitt.com/news/#post-5281
Muslims kill christian by beheading
http://clashdaily.com/2012/08/graphic-muslims-cut-off-christians-head-for-not-renouncing-christ/
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graphic video of the comfort offered by muhammed
Jesus Christ can only fulfill our hearts.
http://www.knowing-jesus.com/korn-lead-singer-rock-star-comes-to-christ/
a very powerful and inspirational clip.
The Event of Mubahila
In the early days of Islam, Najran
was a large centre of people who
had changed from idol worship to
Christianity. Prophet Muhammad (S)
had sent letters to the heads of
different countries inviting them to
Islam. One such letter was
addressed to the Christians of
Najran. It read as follows:
“In the Name of the God of
Ibrahim, Ishaaq and Ya’qub.
This letter is from Muhammad, the
Prophet and Messenger of Allah to
the Asqaf (Bishop) of Najran.
Praise be to the God of Ibrahim,
Ishaaq and Ya’qub. I invite you to
worship Allah instead of (His)
servants. I invite you to come out of
the rule of the servants of Allah and
into the rule of Allah Himself. If you
do not accept my invitation, then
you should (at least) pay Jizya (tax)
to the Islamic State (so that your
lives and properties may be
protected), otherwise you are
warned of a danger.”
By using the names of the ancient
Prophets (A), the Holy Prophet (S)
wanted to let the Christians of
Najran know that the belief in One
God he was teaching was the same
as that preached by the previous
Prophets Ibrahim, Ishaaq and
Ya’qub (A), in whom they also
believed. It is also mentioned that
the Holy Prophet (S) included the
following verse of the Holy Qur’an
in the letter:
Say, (O Muhammad), “O people of
the Book (Bible), come to an
agreement between us and you;
that we shall worship none but
Allah, and that we shall claim no
partner to Him, and that none of us
shall take others for lords besides
Allah.” And if they turn away, then
say, “Bear witness that we are
Muslims (those who have
surrendered to Allah).”
Surah Aali Imran, 3:6]
When this message was delivered to
Abu Haris, who was the Asqaf and
leader of the Church, he read it
carefully and then appointed a
committee of some religious and
wise people to decide on the
matter.
One of them, who was an
experienced and intelligent person,
advised that a group representing
the people of Najran should go to
Madina to study the claim of
Prophethood by the Holy Prophet
(S).
60 people, considered to be the
most wise and knowledgeable from
the people of Najran, were elected.
They were led by three of their
religious men. The group arrived in
Madina and entered the mosque
wearing silken clothes, golden rings
and crosses around their necks. On
seeing them dressed in this fashion,
the Holy Prophet (S) was disturbed
and he ignored them. They realised
that something was wrong but were
unsure as to what to do.
On the advice of Imam Ali (A) the
delegation of Najran changed their
style of dress to simple clothes and
removed their ornaments. They
then returned to the Holy Prophet
(S) who received them with a warm
welcome. Before they entered into
a discussion, they requested for
permission to say their prayers and
this was granted. They were put in
one part of the mosque where the
could pray with ease and comfort.
Then the following conversation
took place:
The Holy Prophet (S): I invite you
towards the belief of Tawhid and
the worship of One God and
submission to His will. (Then he
recited verse 64 of Surah Aali
Imran.)
Christians Fathers: If Islam means
faith in the One God of the
Universe, we already believe in Him
and follow His Commands.
The Holy Prophet (S): Islam has a
few signs and some of your actions
show that you have not accepted
true Islam. How do you claim
worship of One God when you
worship the cross and do not
abstain from eating pork and
believe that God has a son?
A Christian Father: Certainly he [Isa
(A)] was the son of God because his
mother Mary [Maryam (A)] had
given birth to him without marrying
anyone in this world. Therefore
obviously his father is the God of
this Universe. We also believe in
Jesus [Isa (A)] as God because he
used to bring the dead back to life,
cure the sick and create birds from
clay and make them fly. All this
points to the fact that he is God.
The Holy Prophet (S): No, he was
the servant and creature of God,
and placed in the womb of his
mother Maryam (A). All his power
and strength was granted to him by
God.
At this time, angel Jibraeel (A)
brought the following verse of the
Holy Qur’an from Allah :
Surely the example of Isa to Allah is
like that of Adam; He created him
from dust, and then said to him,
“Be!” and he was.
Surah Aali Imran, 3:59
This meant that if Isa (A) could be
called the son of God because of
the fact he was born without a
father, then Adam (A) deserved this
title more, because he was born
without a father or mother. The
Christian Fathers could not reply to
this argument but they continued to
argue out of obstinacy. Then the
following verse of the Holy Qur’an
was revealed:
And whoever argues with you in this
matter after what has come to you
of knowledge, then say, “Come, let
us call our sons and your sons and
our women and your women and
ourselves and yourselves, then let
us humbly pray (to our Lord) and
invoke the curse of Allah upon the
liars.
Surah Aali Imran, 3:61
The Holy Prophet (S) produced this
verse before the Christians and
declared the challenge of
“Mubahila”, which means to curse
one another. The Christians
consulted each other and
announced their acceptance of the
challenge. Then they returned to
their camp.
When the Christians of Najran
returned to their tents after
accepting the challenge of
Mubahila, their leader advised
them in these words:
“Tomorrow if Muhammad comes
out of his house with the members
of his family, then you should never
agree to Mubahila. But if he brings
his companions, then you need not
fear at all and you should certainly
go for to Mubahila.”
He knew that the Mubahila was a
question of life and death for both
the sides, including their family
members. If the Holy Prophet (S)
had the slightest doubt in the truth
of the message of Islam, he would
not have given the challenge of
Mubahila to the Christians. If he
had the slightest fear of the curse
affecting him and the close
members of his family, he would
not have considered coming out
with them to face the Christians.
It was agreed between the two
parties that the contest would take
place the next day in the open
desert outside the city of Madina.
On the 24th of Zilhaj 9 A.H., the
Holy Prophet (S) came out for
Mubahila. He held Imam Husain (A)
in his arms and he held Imam Hasan
(A) by his hand. Bibi Fatimah (A)
came behind him, while behind her
came Imam Ali (A). The Holy
Prophet (S) said to them, “when I
pray you should say Ameen.”
In obedience to the verse of
Mubahila sent by Allah , the Holy
Prophet (S) had brought Imam
Hasan (A) and Imam Husain (A) as
his “sons”, Bibi Fatima (A) as his
“women” and Imam Ali (A) as his
“self”.
The Christian Fathers, on seeing the
beautiful and shining faces in front
of them became spellbound. Their
hearts trembled and they began to
shake on seeing the power
radiating from Ahlul Bayt (A). Their
leader asked someone, “who are
these persons, who have come with
Muhammad?” The man told him the
names and their relationship with
the Holy Prophet (S).
He could hold his patience no
longer and he cried out, “by God, I
am seeing such faces that if they
were to pray to God to move the
mountain, God Almighty would
move the mountain for them.
Oh you people of Najran, if you
contest with Muhammad in this
prayer of invoking curses on the
liars, then I warn you that all of you
will be destroyed and not a single
soul will remain on this earth. I feel
that it would be better to surrender
to them and obey them.”
When the Holy Prophet (S) heard
these words he remarked, “by God,
had the Christians of Najran
contested with us, they would have
been transformed into monkeys
and swines. Fire would have rained
over them.”
When the Christian Fathers backed
away from Mubahila, the Holy
Prophet (S) gave them two choices;
either to accept Islam or agree to
come to terms.
The Christians would not agree to
accept Islam and therefore a treaty
was signed on the following terms:
1. Every year, the Christians of
Najran would give to the Islamic
Government two thousand pieces of
clothing, the cost of which would be
forty dirhams each.
2. They would also provide 30
horses, 30 camels, 30 battle
armours and 30 spears, temporarily
to the Muslim army, if the Holy
Prophet (S) needed these in any
war.
The treaty was dictated by the Holy
Prophet (S), written by Imam Ali (A)
and had the signatures of four
companions of the Holy Prophet (S)
as witnesses.
In addition to the above, the treaty
also had the following words:
“….. The people of Najran will
remain under the protection of
Allah and His Prophet Muhammad
(S). Their lives, their religion, their
lands and property, will all remain
safe and it will be the responsibility
of Allah and His Prophet (S) to
protect them. This treaty holds
good for all people of Najran,
whether they are present here or
not, whether they are members of
the tribe or dependent upon them,
whether they are slaves or
servants. No change will be made in
their rights or privileges…..”
One of the important conditions
agreed in this treaty was that the
people of Najran would not deal in
usury (interest taking) of any sort,
otherwise the Holy Prophet (S)
would not remain bound by the
treaty with them.
After the Christian returned home,
a few respectable persons from
Najran came to Madina and willingly
accepted Islam and became true
Muslims.
that is quite a fairy tale.
the tax imposed on the christians was muhammed’s idea.
Thanks for sharing this video.It helps me to understand my thoughts about Islam and my question,Why it so happened that middle east countries are all Islam?I wonder why,because we all know that Jesus was born,lived and die in Jerusalem the capital of Israel that He taught us so many things and influenced us to be a Christian.So this video is the reason why this all came to happen.This is the full history of what happen to the classical Christians after they are molested,murdered,raped,insulted,turn to slaves.They either Die or be a Muslim.This is also the reason I think why most Arabs are so violent to others specially in treating their maids that usually came from third world countries like my country the Philippines.
after I learned what happen 1400 yrs ago,I start to ask myself again,are we living in the last years?that the tribulation that is saying in the bible already started?
I think the best way to do is to pray for what will happen next,pray for forgiveness of our sin,pray for guidance and assurance that in the Lords presence everything will be OK.May the Lord Bless and Guide us to our journey.
To Musakazim on September 11, 2012…First of all it does not take too much sense to realize that Adam was not born and did have a Father, His Creator the Living God who is not allah of Muhammed for never did God teach or show it is right to take a childbride and endorse pedophilia as Islam and its creator Muhammed did. As for the slaughter or dhimmitude enforced by Muslims in the Qu’ran, Hadiths and Sura and by Muslims throughout their 1400 years of slaughter and stealing the lands of others, there is no where in the Bible enforcing taxes for not accepting Muhammeds demi-god and there is nothing intelligent about it all. The are bullying tactics created by a bully at Islams inception. You speakl as if you speak with intelligence that any should accept what ever is spoken by the madman pedophile Muhammed when nothing he did or said was Holy or from the true God and Creator of us all.
The Creation of Adam by God when He said let us make man in our Image has nothing to do with the Muslims using this story to prove their lie that they were wiser than those they imposed a tax upon. It is a silly story of a pitiful time of Islamic war upon mankind because even children know that Adam and Eve had the Living God as their Creator and Father as did Yeshua though He was nurtured through Mary and Joseph to humbly bring forth a child that will indeed rule the Nations and rid the earth of all false religion. The difference is that Adam and Eve were the only two created in His image while the rest of mankind were created by God a miracle of conception and birth by an all wise and kind Heavanly Father in the womb of women to be nurtured and born on earth thereafter.
Who are any of these Muslim converts anyway that you think the story of their invitations to forsake God for a demi-god allah worship created by a killer and a pedophile?
Your stories are repeated over and over in the Hadiths, Qu’ran and Sura and are anything but wisdom, truth or words from the Living God who sees in them the same twisting of His teachings from Cain who slew his brother as Muslims slay their brothers and neighbors for not accepting their demi-god and his murderous, greedy and pedophilic teachings, for you preach a vile deception that cannot be made too little of.
We live in the last days of this terrible age of man and I implore you to seek the True Living God and His Beloved Son Yeshuas’ blood bought Salvation before time deems it too late for you to decide for time is on no ones side today but the last few seconds of this Age. You preach anti-Christ lies and doctrines and are in great danger.
Your sad tales of little wisdom and great bullying and murder by Muslim followers of a bloody and false prophet only enhance the bars placed about you by Satan pretending to dress you up in white whilethe bloody rags of Islam Satan puts upon you all are the true covering you all wear until you seek He who loves you and has spent over 6000 years of man trying to reach as many as He is able to save, to the uttermost, those that come unto Him for His eternal kingdom and I assure you there won’t be any 72 virgins and sad pubescent boys waiting in the true Kingdom of God as the Hell your Hadiths preach to man as a reward for the slaughter of us infidels. . Jesus is the true Christ that stands and waits with open arms to gather into the Kingdom of God all that come unto Him if you will just repent of your sins and turn to Him to begin to live His Life upon this earth while there is yet time even if it is the last moments on a cross or under a blade far better to die in the truth of God and His Son Yeshua and His Salvation.
THE “COMFORTER” OR “HELPER” AS SPOKEN OF IN THE HOLY BIBLE
IS —NOT A PERSON—–IT IS GODS ‘HOLY-SPIRIT’ HIS ACTIVE FORCE
BY WHICH [HE]–THE ALMIGHTY GOD CARRIED OUT ALL CREATION.
AT JOHN CH 14V26—THE HELPER THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH THE FATHER
{JESUS FATHER}–{THE ONLY TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD JEHOVAH} WILL SEND IN ‘JESUS ‘ NAME—-THAT ONE’S HOLY SPIRIT OR HELPER—THE ALMIGHTY GOD JEHOVAH’S HOLY SPIRIT IS HIS [ACTIVE-FORCE] BY
WHICH HE CARRIES OUT ALL CREATIVE ACTIVITY AND HIS REQUIRED
WILL BY WHICH HE ASSIGNS MAN/MEN TO DO HIS WILL.–IE . IT WAS BY
HIS ACTIVE-FORCE /HOLY SPIRIT THAT 40 DIFFERENT MEN OVER A PERIOD OF 1600 YEARS WROTE THE WHOLE OF THE HOLY BIBLE.
JOHN CH 14 / CH 17 JESUS–I WILL REQUEST THE FATHER /ALMIGHY GOD
HE WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER HELPER—THE SPIRIT OF THE TRUTH—-THAT IS GODS HOLY ACTIVE FORCE—HIS HOLY SPIRIT—-NOT A PERSON
NOT A MAN.
JESUS SAID NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER –EXCEPT THROUGH HIM ‘JESUS-CHRIST’ THE ONLY WAY BACK TO THE ALMIGHY GOD–JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUE PROPHET.
JESUS-CHRIST IS ‘MICHAEL THE ARCH-ANGEL’—THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE ALMIGHY GOD JEHOVAH—JESUS IS THE ALMIGHY GODS
CHOSEN TRUE PROPHET—-JESUS IS THE ANGEL AS MENTIONED AT
REVELATION CH 20 V 1—-3 THE GLORIFIED JESUS REMOVES SATAN AND ALL HIS DEMONIC SPIRIT HORDES AND PUTS THEM IN —THE ‘ABYSS.
THANK YOU FOR READING THE TRUTH FROM THE HOLY BIBLE.
MAYBE MORE LATER.
The Greek word for
Comforter is “parakletos”. The
most familiar translation of this
Greek word is “Comforter,” but
a better translation is Counselor
or Advocate, as in a legal sense.
However, I will use Comforter
since it is the most familiar
translation.
Below are the New Testament
texts concerning the Comforter.
JOHN 14:15-17: “If you love me
you will obey what I command.
And I will ask the Father and He
will give you another Comforter
to be with you forever – the
Spirit of Truth. The world
cannot accept him because it
neither sees him nor knows
him. But you know him for he
lives with you and will be in
you.”
JOHN 14:25, 26: “All this I have
spoken while still with you. But
the Comforter, the Holy Spirit
whom the Father will send in
my name, will teach you all
things and will remind you of
everything I have said to you.”
JOHN 15:26: “When the
Comforter comes, whom I will
send to you from the Father,
the Spirit of truth who goes out
from the Father, he will testify
about me.”
JOHN 16:7,8: “But I tell you the
truth: It is for your good that I
am going away. Unless I go
away, the Comforter will not
come to you; but if I go, I will
send him to you. When he
comes he will convict the world
of guilt in regard to sin and
righteousness and judgment….”
JOHN 16:13-15: “But when he,
the Spirit of Truth comes, he
will guide you into all truth. He
will not speak on his own, he
will speak only what he hears,
and he will tell you what is yet
to come. He will bring glory to
me by taking from what is mine
and making it know to you. All
that belongs to the Father is
mine. That is why I said the
Spirit will take from what is
mine and make it known to
you.”
Jesus spoke to his disciples
about the Comforter and said
that the Comforter was the
Holy Spirit. However, some 600
years later, Muhammad claimed
that the Scriptures of the Jews
and Christians predicted that
another prophet would arise
and that he (Muhammad) was
that prophet. To support
Muhammad’s claim early Islamic
writings state that Muhammad
was the “Comforter.” Today,
despite the evidence, many
Muslims obstinately insist that
Muhammad was the Comforter
and labor to find material in the
Scriptures to make Muhammad’s
words ring true – otherwise
Muhammad would be revealed
to be both a liar and false
prophet
thank you for the extra scriptures to support this point
To call Muslims “Evil/Satan” for not believing in your scriptures, or in believing to something revealed to them, should not come from a decent and God-fearing Christians as you aspired to be seen. No matter what you believe in, so be it, but why call others Evil? Would calling bad names benefit your religion? As far as Muslims are concerned, there is no compulsion in religion. We are all predestined to live and die, and eventually to be judged. Like some of you said, there is no amount of explanation to change the mind of a non-believer, so why waste time arguing your point? Let Christianity be your religion, and Islam as ours… the final judgement would be settled in the Hereafter. Meantime, let us just be concerned on our own affairs.
dear mohammed
No compulsion in religion?
Islam kills people daily. I get news from around the world on a weekly basis. here is a report from Nigeria
http://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/nigeria-over-1000-flee-muslim-death-squad-after-islamists-target-kill-people-unable-to-recite-quranic-verses/
Nigeria: Over 1000 Flee Muslim Death Squad After Islamists Target, Kill People Unable To Recite Qur’anic Verses
also , attacks on christians since 911
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/ChristianAttacks.htm
The Qur’an says: “Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush” (Surah 9:5)
You cannot talk about killing without going back 1000 years ago when the west went into rampage killing muslims… lest you’ve forgotten your roots… and now acting and claiming that “thy holy” character?
Anyone may talk about Muslims pillaging their lands, raping their daughters and forcing marriages on non-muslim women and be Christian or anyone else for that matter, for Islam stole the entire Byzantine Empire and Northern Africa so that only Islam is now allowed in those lands and those that are not remain under the constant violence until your ilk have utterly destroyed them. You and yours have done much evil and violence to heavan since the example of your pedophile prophet who married Aiesha at 6 years old and consummated at 9 years old an innocent child to fulfill his twisted and base lusts while he slaughtered thousands and insisted that all believe he was a prophet sent by his demi-god satans he met in his cave.
There is none so blind as he who will not see. You all Will to see what you want or slaughter and to say that none should warn you of your dance at the edge of hell that is so close you will fall eternally into not the laps of the gross eternal virgins and myriad pre-pubescant boys, the promised reward of suicide bombers, but, you risk the fall into the arms of the satans who called you into this devious and debauched cult and political war you call religion.
Yes Christians and all free living and speaking people still must warn the fool that dances at the edge of hell who is pretending it is really a lake of shining waters. In fact they must speak out if we live in truth as Christians.
Marianne is most kind and utterly truthful in what she tells you of and her faith also invokes the warning of all like her that we all must blow the trumpet and warn those we can who are bent on lies and destruction to stop before it is too late. Our faith requires us to speak the truth and warn those in danger of eternal destruction and whether we do it well enough to suit you is neither here nor there, for it is only right to save as many as will listen from the gross destruction of the cult of Islam. It is not a case of religious discussions, for Islam is a political war machine, and your saying we should not criticize the endless murdering war machine is a politically correct ruse you use to hide the murdering, burning and rape of those who refuse Islamic religious politics. This is a matter of the freedom of man to speak out about political religious murdering and helping the victims of your bloody hearted and handed cult against mankind and the earth.
In Arabian culture, marriage was contracted in accordance with the larger needs of the tribe and was based on the need to form alliances within the tribe and with other tribes. As recorded by modern historians, all of Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) marriages had the political aspect of strengthening friendly relationships and were based on Arabian custom. You choose to ridicule and call our noble Prophet (peace be upon him), sort of bad words, Is that what your good religion teaches you?. While ignoring the fact that he had not violated the accepted arabian tradition. Are you now saying that all Arabs are wrong because they follow their tradition and do not subscribe to the west’s tradition that you so admire? And the western the guided lots because they follow west traditions such as allowing to marry dog (or any being), persons of same sex, pornography, slavery of millions of blacks from Africa, open gambling, pedophilia etc?
You and Ms. Marianne somehow have similar thinking that you the western (supposed to be educated), are the master of our destiny, through your warning and guidance. My message is simple and clear, let the erring muslim or christian err, and leave it to their decision abd tradition their faith and soul. I thank you for your care and good prayers, but just think, and you must really think about this seriously, what gives you the right to become people’s guide in knowing the truth by warning? How certain are you that you are really following the correct religion, when you cannot even find your original scriptures? Because if you follow a wrong religion, you my friend is endangering the soul of those who would swallow your belief… think about that please. And don’t you think that by “warning” others, you are actually over-stepping their intelligence? You once again assuming that we cannot see and think and decide for ourselves like what your forefathers thought when they forced christianity to us centuries ago?
having sex with a 9 year old girl is sin.
the real god Yahweh does not approve, and does not follow arabic customs like this
What made you conclude that these were religious and not tribal or nationalist agenda? As I said earlier… leave the muslim affairs to the Muslims, and you are free to do your own affair amongst you, so long you don’t bad-mouth other religions… In the end, you will not asked to be responsible for the sin of Muslims (in your opinion), so why condemn acts done based on their faith?
mohammed
The point is the basis of Islam is submission, not peace. and it is documented in the Quran and hadiths, etc. To blame nationalist agenda or tribal differences is to avoid the issue. they are just following what Islam teaches.
the “rampage” against muslims was a war to fight them as they came in to terrorize and seize the holy land and other countries like Spain, territories that did not belong to them. Just because Muslims were defeated and pushed back for their conquests does not make it wrong. this is war. if you attack others, expect them to fight back.
Islam has always conducted bloody conquests and forced conversions. Jihad was meant to be bloody, not nice. Only now, with propaganda, do mindless western people accept Islam as peaceful, while those under Islamic rule get persecuted and killed.
Muslim affairs cannot be left to the Muslims, because they are in almost every western nation now, demanding special rights and trying to enforce their sharia law on people. Islam is contrary to freedom, and tries to impose itself on others, demanding submission.
We do not have to bad mouth Islam. It does it to itself. All we have to do is read the news about riots and killings, hear personal testimonies of those crying out for help to escape persecution, or watch insane things on TV going on in Muslim countries, and it is clear what the agenda is. Muslims kill themselves. Look at Syria, Libya, Egypt, etc. the president of Pakistan killed his own wife and now he rules an oppressed people.
So this is peace? no it is not. Iran screams to kill Israel and the USA, so he is a normal human being? no, he is not. He is trying to create chaos so he can pave the way for his mahdi to come.
While I understand the need to cling to a religion taught to you from birth, and I am sure it has given you some positive experiences, it is still your responsibility as a thinking person to look around you and see what the effects of your beliefs are doing to others. It is not god’s will to riot and murder and persecute those who pray to him.
Even in my own faith, I have to look for what is true and not true. I see the bible teaches truth, but people have their own ideas and create error. I see the same in Islam, but I also see that the Quran says the bible is a lie and a corrupt book, which is not true.
your eternal destiny, and where you go in the afterlife is dependent upon whether you embrace the truth, or reject it.
God really has a son, not by marriage, but by divine design, and he came and died for your sins, to take the punishment for all the sins you have committed, and will go to hell for. If you do not accept his sacrifice for your sins, you will have to pay for them yourself, no matter how many good deeds you do.
There is only one way to the Father God in heaven, and his name is Jesus, Isa to you. he really did die, and he really rose from the dead, because he overcame death by the power of god in him. Following Muhammed will not save you from the death of the soul to come. Only Jesus saves..
I hope you will consider this. I know Muslims are taught certain arguments against christianity, and I understand the answers. I would be happy to discuss them with you, one by one.
While you may think I am antagonistic to you, I really care about you. I have a love for all people. When I see someone in spiritual danger, I feel compelled to warn them. I do not want anything to happen to you, or to any sincere muslim that wants to love and serve god.
The bible says to ask and you will receive…seek, and you will find, knock, and it will be opened to you.
I really pray that you will ask God to reveal himself to you, and also who Jesus really is to you.
As i stated earlier,,, no amount of explanation can sway a believer/ non-believer (which ever position you are sided)… And for your information, God had already revealed Islam to me years back, Alhamdulillah!!! I was a catholic before and converted to Islam after realizing that there is only one God. This is serious thinking and realized that 1in3, 3in1 formula is only good for Nescafe,,, not for my soul. Not to mention the Vatican cannot even present a credible and authenticated scripture, and keep revising it according to their mortal belief as and when they see fit their agenda. So where was God’s word if it can be adulterated by mortal revision? Anyway,,, to cut story short, my Islam is mine and i bear witness to that.
And i will not defend an erring muslim just to justify my Submission to Allah (Islam), as the Noble Quraan also said that the death of a single innocent man is the death of humanity, i subscribe to that belief and will not entertain any thought of undermining any innocent man. The news of perpetuators you mentioned (and spread to sway people away from Islam) ultimately had to answer to our Creator. You are wrong for assuming i was justifying the killing and hiding it when i mentioned the killings done by the Crusaders. I was pointing that anyone can go wrong (or become hero, depending again on whose side you are). Actually you were the one who openly justified their rampage by now saying they were attacked first hence have to kill to depend, right? They are at war then,,,, so what was the difference now? So where was that “thy holy attitude” you so subscribed to if you can justify the death of millions in the Crusade? Isn’t just right that you acknowledge the killings and pray for the soul of those killers? Isn’t that your Lord Jesus (He is a respected and acknowledged Prophet (peace be upon him), but not God), commanded you to give your left cheek after someone hit your right? So why justify the killings at war?
If redemption by killing (of innocents), as you mentioned, can be justified, then the west is guilty centuries back and is obliged to cut its throat for the suffering of millions under the banner of the cross perpetuated by Spain, Portugal and Britain in their self-proclaimed right to colonize and christianize land they did not owned (you now see the relation to your justified crusade?)… I was one of those unfortunate Filipino forced to swallow a religion that cannot stand it’s dogma of 3in1… are you saying i should now be allowed to kill every Spaniard i meet because they crossed my land to enforce their religion?
My message is simple and clear, let the erring muslim or christian err, and leave it to their decision their faith and soul. I thank you for your care and good prayers, but just think, and you must really think about this seriously, what gives you the right to become people’s guide in knowing the truth by warning? How certain are you that you are really following the correct religion, when you cannot even find your original scriptures? Because if you follow a wrong religion, you my friend is endangering the soul of those who would swallow your belief… think about that please. And don’t you think that by “warning” others, you are actually over-stepping their intelligence? You once again assuming we cannot see and think and decide for ourselves like what your forefathers thought when they enforced christianity to us centuries ago?
w.salam (and may peace be with you)
So you boast you jumped from the frying pan into the fire which does not say much for your choices in life. Your banter about the Christians who tried to stop the slaughter by Muslims in former Christian lands by Muslims, Mohammedans as they were called is a choice not to be ashamed of for those peoples had a right to defend their lands and homes and they still do but, Islam slaughers rapes and steals even the scriptures or the moon or stone or lands or daughters they wish to consumefor your doughty demon allah and his debauched pedophile and murdering prophet Muhammed. What a pity to watch the hatred you preach as peace because you wish to consume the lands God gave to all peoples and still you pretend you cannot see what all of us see you all do daily, kill, rape, oppress, lie steal and murder for gain. Your words fall as ashes upon the ash heap that Islam has created over 1400 years of evil slaughter and debauchery and dressing yourselves in the whited sepulchres of your reaping cannot change what Islam does daily. You cannot wash those evil sins away by lieing and debauching the earth further for your bloody eternal virgins which is a mockery of God’s Creation of women. What madness has consumed the likes of you in millions that you think this is beautiful? The madness of the first madman Muhammed who led this vile and wretched dance of rape and slaughter and it is not since Adam I assure you since the almost last text in scripture warns that any that add one word or takes away one word of the scriptures given for man to learn of God’s great love for mankind, that they would have their names taken out of the book of Life…and this Islam has done in spades as does every person who consumes the vile teachings of the Qu’ran, Hadiths and Surah…. this madness has consumed you all.
But, you know better for you left the madness of Catholicism for Islamism and yet the grain of truth that is at the heart of Christ you rejected so you could follow another madman…ahhh what you have cast off in the midst of your seeking for it is not done well to have cast off the baby with the bathwater. You have cast off truth and salvation for ashes and fire again but you know better and are even more accountable as you chase a new lust for Islam. Pity! Pity! Pity!
I cast off Catholicism too and wound my arms around my Saviour and would not let this Pearl of Great Price go for all that your pitiful ash heaps offers, I would not chase you and the millions with you to the hotter hell you have chosen on this earth for Islam is an entrance wide to Hell. Ahhhh you have exchanged your hope of your name in the Book of Life for a lowly fire in hell and that is something to mourn and you say no one should tell you of your danger because no one should criticize such a cult of death? Ohhhh here is the hope of redress that you might call on Yeshua Hameshiach and know the life He is and offers with our Heavanly Father is still possible to you if you but call upon His name, He would save you.
ms.Marie Jean,,, you seems to be so concerned on my soul and salvation that you used all sort of nasty words that a God-fearing lady shouldn’t have said at all. Clam down please, as you only invite more sins and punisment upon yourself, as I was not taking you responsible for my Submission to Islam, nor my salvation. The truth will be revealed amongst us in the Hereafter. Let the Almighty be our judge then… so why the need to call others sort of names? Now, tell me, after uttering those disrespectful words of yours, who among us fair better in the eyes of the Almighty?
You know better and of your loss I have no fear but the things you write of show your naievete or your refusal to speak the truth that your religion is vile. I put this here for all others who may read your honeyed words over foul disease.
I have no pleasure in disclosing what this man obviously wishes to hide and put but small portions here..please excuse me for informing the innocent who read words written with hidden agendas of stealing your souls…..
PEDOPHILIA LAWS FROM ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET
Question 1809After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religiousdecrees) reviewed the question forwarded by the grand scholar of the committee withreference number 1809 issued on 3/5/1453 and 7/5/1421 (Islamic calendar)
Question: „It has become widespread these days, and especially during weddings, thehabit of mufa‟khathat of the children. (mufa‟khathat
– literally translated, it means
“placing between the thighs” which means placing the male member between the
thighs of a child) What is the opinion of scholars, knowing full well that the prophet,
the peace of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha
– the mother of believers –
may Allah be pleased with her.‟
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia GrandAyatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:”A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, heshould not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the manpenetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence allher life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The
man will not be eligible to marry the girl‟s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when
her menstruation starts, and at her husband’s house rather than her father’s home. Anyfather marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.”Khomeini, “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
Beastiality to provide for the unabating lusts of the Islamic male who if he may not have a woman or child to rape he may do so as long as he kills it after. ..Oh yes and sell the meat to the next village not your own… sick!
A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, heshould kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.Khomeini’s book, “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990″If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and theirexcrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. Theanimal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.”The Little Green Book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political,Philosophical, Social and Religious, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47
I have said nothing to be ashamed of but I speak as an elder of my people and it is my responsibility to correct lies like yours when they have demeaned others. If Islam may not stand the test of truth then I must not apologize to you and your religion for your sins and crimes against humanity. To most cultures on the earth and even the Arab laws of Muhammeds day it was illegal to take a child betrothed to another and then to marry that child of 6 and consummate at 9. Amongst our nations, peoples and cultures it is called pedophilia and the rape of children. So far there is nothing I have said that it wrong or untrue.
You may try to cover with your honeyed tongue the poison you offer for religion, but, do not tell me I may not disclose the lies and poison with the words God has given me to use to speak the truth.
Mohamed Afiq
I was born of a mother that is a muslim and her husband are atheist. I have lived in a society that is atheistic. I lifed my life as a atheist. A couple of years ago I realised that there is a God. So I read the Bibel.
The Bibel gave me info that to be a prophet you must say something unique about future and it must happen. Otherwise you are not a prophet. Muhammed havent said anything unique about future so he is not Gods prophet. The only thing he siad that was fullfilled was that Syria will be “win” a war and they did. But Syria was more powerfull. If I say that Usa will win against Sadam andd they did that doesn´t make me a prophet. That’s not unique. That is common sense.
IF we take Hosea 11:1 when Hosea says Israel is my son. Then it is not Hosea speaking because Hosea didn’t have a son with the name Israel. It is God who speaks through is prophet about Jesus when they was safe and left Egypt to go back do Judea. That is an ex of trinity, God, the Holy spirit and Prophet. When God spoke through his son Jesus then we had God, The holy spirit and his son = Trinity.
Jesus said he is the last. For us who beleives in him think that this means that Christianity is the last. Nothing will come after Christianity.
Islam is copied and modified from Judaism and Christianity.
To copy and modify doesnt make you something. Only loosers does this.
In the Ortodox Church we have the ten commandments. That means we are not allowed to kill. Muhammed killed. Jesus did not.
We are not allowed to have lust to our next. Muhammed told his son to divorce his wife so he could marry her. He had lust to his nexts family.
We are not allowed to tell someone to sin. To give order that you shall divorce your wife is a big sin. Muhammed told this to his son.
Muhammed married a girl that was 9 years old. That is rape. Judaism says a woman is an adult when she is 12.
Jesus warned us about a coming religious leader that will deny that God has a son. Muhammed denied this.
I don´t tell you this because I want you to come back to our faith because I don´t want you back. The book hebrew chapt 6 says that thoose who leaves Christianity crucifies Jesus a second time.
I tell you this for I want you to know that you are a big looser and you will burn in hell when you die.
I´m a Christian and will always be for eternity
Sorry for my spelling. Don’t write english so often.
Thank you for your concern mr.Adam. But just to highlight two big errors in your argument:
1. That Prophet Jesus (may peace be upon him) is the last Prophet is completely wrong and you must have forgotten about the very issue that is in question here (please refer to the numerous verses in your scriptures mentioned above, that concluded there is a Comforter to come after Prophet Jesus).
2. That Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him), forces his son so he can marry his daughter? Who on earth preached you this? Don’t you know that our Prophet (saw) had only two sons, and that both of them died at very young age? How can they then have wives for our Prophet (saw) to hijack? Your blasphemy is so weak and corrupted, how would you then expect me to believe you?
If you are right on your religion, you go to heaven as you said, while i go to hell. But if i am right, i may go to heaven, InshaAllah… Let the Almighty be the judge among us.
w.salam (may peace be upon you)
The bible clearly says that the Comforter is the holy spirit, not an arab born 500 year later.
john 14: 16-17
If that is your conclusion, then so it be… which i cannot subscribe to.
you are truly a lost soul. I hope you find your way back
So now you can also determine who is lost soul or not? I thought your scripture tells you that, only the Father knows and decide for everything in the Hereafter? What gave you then the right to judge me now as lost?
Oh you are truly lost Mohamed for there is none saved through Muhammed for he is a false prophet to a demi-god allah who teaches evil things to mankind if all would follow him over the cliff into hades. None can be saved through him not for all the bombs in this world. Wishful thinking just won’t do it. I also hope you find your way back to Him you have demeaned to an equal will a pedophile Muhammed for you know what you have done.
1. if jesus is not the son of god, why is he given the authority to come back, making him the last prophet, and not muhammed?
2. god destroyed everyone in Noahs’ flood. so…after him, people were still sinning after the flood was over. God should have sent another flood to kill them too. but He didn’t. why? because he was sending his son to provide forgiveness. that was God’s plan
we all need this forgiveness, and there is no forgiveness without accepting the blood self sacrifice of Jesus.
According to you, you left christianity without ever reading the bible to see what Jesus said about himself, or understand what he did for you. So you left out of ignorance, not intelligence.
Who on earth told you that i did not read the bible before converting to Islam? Is that all you can say, to demean my intelligence and my choice? I left Christianity because i believe in One God.
MA
I havent read all the others post to you now. I don´t have the time right now. But….
1 The comforter to come is the holy spirit. No doubt about that.
2. He said to his son that he adopted to divorce his wife and after that he took his adopted sons wife. It doesn´t matter if he is adopted. He is still his son.
So, you were then referring to his adopted son… Even then, you still, in my opinion, committed blasphemy for twisting the story that Muhammad (saw) told his son (adopted) to divorce his wife so he can marry her. Careful my friend to what you accuse others. Historian agreed on most of this in this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Jahsh
In here, it clearly showed that what you mentioned was the opposite. It was the Prophet (saw) who persuaded both Zayd and Zaynab for their marrage… The prophet (saw) then followed the Quraan revelation, to finally marry Zaynab after her marrage to Zayd failed. That is the accepted history that I subscribe to… Again, i will repeat to you all, you believe what you think is right, and i will believe what i think is right, as simple as that.
You said it all well enough. Adam..the truth often seems difficult to take but oh so good for the soul if we are but willing to humble ourselves and hear what the Spirit is saying to us all upon this earth in these last days.
mohammed
Claiming to be a christian who converted to Islam is a common ploy used by muslims to deceive others into thinking there is a better way. So I am familiar with your tactics.
Self defense is not murder. initiating attacks, like Islam has done for 1400 years is sin.
over 120 millions christians have been killed by Islam, and another 270 non christians …..
http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html
It is a culture of death, not life.
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/understandingislam/IslamHistory0212.aspx
Even if you were catholic, which I do not believe, your arguments are based on an assumption that is not true. You do not have to argue against a 3 in 1 God, as there is only one God. Even Jesus said that. So there goes your case for converting to Islam.
True biblical christianity is NOT catholicism…….catholicism is paganized christianity.
I know my scriptures which is the basis for my faith. Just ask me something.
Intelligence does not equal or guarantee accuracy. You have to seek the truth to find it.
Muhammed was a man of war. Jesus was a man of peace. Islam does not know who Jesus really is, which is based on what Jesus said about himself. It does not even know who muhammed was.
I warn because it is my passion to help people wake up.
So you think i was not a catholic who converted to Islam? I leave that to you to believe. For info, i was Leopoldo Vinuya Capulong from Candaba Pampanga Philippines, maybe you can ask your teams to look at my facebook page, invite me so you can see the post from my catholic relatives, siblings and parents. Nonetheless, you are free to believe as you wish and i will not even try to question that, just leave the affairs of muslims to us.
I do know that Prophet Jesus (saw) preached that there is only One God, and so does by all the previous Prophets (saw) and our Prophet (saw), before and after him. The corruption started when believers abandoned their One God, and associated other Gods than Him. It came from your own mouth that “even Jesus said that there is only One God”. Logic tells that if Jesus was attesting to a One God, and spoke of Him during his preachings, then Jesus himself cannot be God, as he was bearing witness to One God who sent him to warn people. He is the Prophet Jesus (saw) that i know of, but not as God, as Christians now claim to be. As I said, and will repeat again, that is your belief and it can remain so long as you wish. My Islam is mine and your belief is yours,,, and so it be.
Almost the last words taken from the Bible that Jesus spoke says:
Revelation 22:18-20
New King James Version (NKJV)
A Warning
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I Am Coming Quickly
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
Calling the Lord Jesus the Christ the Son of God, merely a prophet that you say your religion believes and arrogantly add that Islam has the right to alter the scriptures of both Judaiism and Christianity, both old and new testament, a crime that can never take away the loss of your name in the Book of Life, for any that do this life is no longer yours, but,
Repenatance for this crime is what is left and when that is refused the scripture says clearly what occurs to all who insist on altering the Scriptures and these original texts most of us today either have in our homes or available through internet connection.
No one in heavan and earth may alter any scripture at any time and Islam has. You do when you equate Jesus with the vile false prophet and pedophile Muhammed .
I believe you already speak from your foot… you actually contradicted yourself. You quoted the verse about not changing the scripture as a major sin, right? from New King James “Version”… did i read it correctly, “version”? So you had many versions and revisions? Where is then your original scripture, that is not supposed to be altered, right? If you have many versions and revisions, and also you lost the original (or hidden? i don;t know, maybe you do), you are already guilty as you claim I was. You already altered your scriptures, many times actually. At the very least, I can proudly proclaim to the whole world, that the Quraan i submitted to (Islam), has been kept in its pure form, protected from mortal alteration.
I neither speak Greek, Aramaiic or Hebrew but if you do and wish me to write it here I can. I speak english, a deaf language and a little french and do not apologize for my lack. But I stil may give you and anyone an english translation of the Bible Old and New or your Qu’ran Hadiths Sunnah or any book of any religion and not be ashamed for having to speak in English. You foolishly play at semantics thinking none can tell the inner lie but, we all know here we speak with english translations but our homes are usually filled with the Hebrew Greek Aramaiic etc Lexicons for those who study the languages as well. You do not speak with ignorance off your stage as you do in Islamic lands but speak with a world of Knowledge foretold in scriptures of the last days when knowledge would increase and this is not pride but the facts of where we all now live except for those who choose lies and deceit.
So then you cannot answer a very fundamental question? Crucial in any belief is the reference scripture. You maintain belief in that very scripture that you practice in life and depends your salvation from. If you cannot even tell which amongst the many versions of the bible is the correct version, nor where is the original scripture, then where did you based your faith from?
Jesus said he was the son of God, and God was his father.
That makes him more than a prophet.
We are all sons of God, we were all created by Him from dust. If we are all then sons of God, would that makes us all Prophets? If you consider Prophet Jesus (saw) as your God because his father was the Father, then can I say that you have already abandoned your One God and put Prophet Jesus (saw) over his Creator?
Even Christ did not put Himself over the Father as you arrogantly accuse for He said in that day you shall ask me nothing but whatever you ask the Father in My Name He shall give it to you. You know little of Islam and know even less of the Holy scriptures and preach your deceptions as all Islamic preachers do, with lies and alterations of our Bible.
I was asking for confirmation not accusing… Is Prophet Jesus (pbuh) your God or not?
The Beautiful Words of Scripture speaks for Him who made us all and I confess them daily.
Psalms 100:3
Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
1 Make a joyful shout to the LORD, all you lands!
2 Serve the LORD with gladness; come before His presence with singing.
3 Know that the LORD, He is God; it is He who has made us, and not we ourselves; we are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
4 Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, and into His courts with praise. Be thankful to Him, and bless His name.
5 For the LORD is good; His mercy is everlasting, and His truth endures to all generations.
And Jesus the Son of God told me how to pray to His (Our) Father in Heavan…
Matthew 18:19-21
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
You still had not aswered the question, is Prophet Jesus (pbuh) your God or not? Is that so difficult to declare? I now test your faith, but i am not obliging you to respond…. all i am saying is, you are not answering a direct question….
see my answer
Our Father in Heavan that made us all is my God and His Son (Divinely sent of the Holy Spirit to Mary a virgin) Jesus the Christ is my Saviour who died for all on the cross and rose on the third day and was taken by His Father to Heavan until the day of restitution; of all things and the judgement of all evil and Jesus came into my life and saved my soul and taught me to pray to His/Our Father in Heavan and He the Son of God sent His Comforter the Holy Spirit to indwell His children to be a Comforter on earth to teach us how to live His life on earth. That which you challenge as taught by the Catholic church I do not adhere, I adhere to the teachings of scripture and thus I put scriptures to show you the truth you do not wish to read. You obviously have not read much of scripture or your foolish tests would not show the ignorance. Marianne has told you exactly what she said.
This is the original story told by the ONLY valid biographers of Muhammad and Islam, Ibn Ishaq and Tabari, and the hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim. Refer also to the works of the Qur’an commentators Ibn Kathir and Ibn Qayyim. (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume II
Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18: Narrated ‘Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother!”
The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.”
Marriage to a female already offered to another was illegal in Arab law. Abu
Bakr had already arranged for Aisha to marry Djubayr Mutim.
Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.
Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.”
Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.” [The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community]
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151: Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Volume XXXIX, pp. 171-173
Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”
In Islam, not every hadith or bigraphy written, even by Muslims scholars are accepted as such by all muslims. there are categories that is decided by the scholars on the basis of verified confirmation from multiple sources… In fact, some scholars even question others works, which is normal in even in present day politic. So in finality, and for certainty, we muslims always refer back to the Noble Quraan first as basis in deciding daily affairs.
he still had sex with a 9 year old.
Was that ever denied? That was part of all written biography of the Propet (may peace be upon him)… what we detest are the bad words and insinuation coming from you (who profess and portray a “thy holy” attitude), putting action by others look so bad, without referring to the whole story. Cut and paste tactic, same tactic i’ve seen during my catholic life. But when verified from other verses, then truth ultimately comes out. Anyway, as i mentioned, you can say and believe whatever you want, leave my submission to Islam as mine….
There is nothing said here that is different than yours and all Islams’ arrogance in slamming Christianity and all Christians you blame for everything some churches have doen and even to the point of insisting you have the right to alter our scrptures because of the bad behaviour of some churches or believers so you blame all who live righteous and holy. You are hypocrites to dare to say you do otherwise. Your placards worldwide call for the death of the infidels, Christians and Jews while calling for the anhialation of all Jews and Israel, just as the Qu’ran does and if you wish me to put the texts of that unholy book here I can. It is the most contradictory lot of hate I have ever read.
Don’t you play the same game as you blame all muslims for the sin a muslim? At the very least, I did not to portray myself as thy holy… So who is the hyphocrate here? is it me or you?
Islam has not rejected even the vile words of the Khomeni for the deeds are notorious against child and beast in Islam today and I will not publish the vile file of these crimes to anyone asking, they are available to anyone who searches news and Bukharis, Hadiths, Sunnah Qu’ran.. Your claims of holiness is awful for it does not now nor ever has in 1400 years of violent rape, theft, aggression of Islam throughout the world ever existed. You have all changed the times the Bible, the names and days and lands of whatever you have touched and turned them to ashes. It is all written for us all to read right up to this day and nothing you say can negate Islam from the responsibility of the slaughter of innocent hundreds of millions, rape of millions of boys, girls and women/men or the theft of all lands taken to propogate Islam.
The sin of a muslim is not the sin of all muslims, and so does the sin of a cristian is not the sin of all cristians. And where on earth you had the idea that i am playing that “thy holy” attitude? I am just a humble servant trying to please my One God, and I do not and I will not claim for holiness as you mentioned above. If I go to heaven for what i believe, Alhamdulillah! If I don;t because of my weaknesses, then I have only myself to blame for that. At the very least, I do not claim to be thy holy as what you guys portraying yourself as sons of God…
No you and Islam are not holy, not when you court books and texts that can explain to vile men how it is not rape if they defile a bably as long as they do not enter the baby. And to promise a heavan of the eternal virgins that never lose their virginity to those who kill themselves while killing unsuspecting innocent unbelievers is only a further display of the madness and ruthlessness of Islam. I may display any of the texts confirming these obscenities promised by Islam but will not because they disgust me..and a heavan of prepubescent boys to please the eyes of any man willing to murder offers nought but foul homosexuality at your leisure and at the use of the weaker humanity to pleasure your killers of the innocent. The depth of this archaiic crudeness and crimes are absurd and sad to say the least and that you millions of men believe and teach these texts are part of Islam and good for men and heavan shows the depths of the depravity that mankind is willing to go to suit your lusts.
John 16:23-33
23 “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 24 Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.
25 “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. 28 I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.”
mohammed
Putting my replies to the above discussion here…..for more space.
According to the bible, not people, and according to Jesus, the Father in heaven is God, and Jesus is his (spirit) son.
No not every human is considered a child of God. All humanity is a flesh creation, and a product of his creative act, but not a spiritual child of God.
only if you accept Jesus as the Son of God, and put away the thinking of man and the ways of the flesh, and accept salvation through the acts of jesus, can you be considered a child of God.
Jesus is not over the Father. The Father is over everyone, including jesus. However, just as you are flesh as your own father is flesh, and you share your father’s humanity, Jesus shares the divine nature of the Father God. This gives him much authority, and makes him more than a prophet, and more than human.
jesus said what his father told him to say, and did what he said he saw his father do in heaven,.. that is why he healed the sick, raised the dead, and preached holiness.
you are submitting to a god who denies that Jesus is his son….and to a god who denies that jesus died for your sins…..so you are bowing down before a false god.
1. if jesus is not the son of god, why is he given the authority to come back, making him the “last prophet,” and not muhammed?
2. god destroyed everyone in Noahs’ flood. so…after him, people were still sinning after the flood was over. God should have sent another flood to kill them too. but He didn’t. why? because he was sending his son to provide forgiveness. that was God’s plan
we all need this forgiveness, and there is no forgiveness without accepting the blood self sacrifice of Jesus.
Apparently, you left christianity without ever reading the bible to see what Jesus said about himself, or understand what he did for you. So you left out of ignorance, not intelligence.
you are lost because you reject Jesus as your personal savior.
I do have the right to make righteous judgments according to your current behavior and words. However, I cannot judge your final outcome since you may repent later, and come back to the Lord.
You still had not aswered the question, is Prophet Jesus (pbuh) your God or not? Is that so difficult to declare? I am not obliging you to respond…. all i am saying is, you are not answering a direct question….
I answered you. read my reply and email.
My God is the Father.
My personal savior is jesus, who is the son of God.
So Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God, right?
once again……the Father God is God
Jesus is the son of God.
you claimed to be intelligent, but you cannot understand what I say?
Mohamed, You are in dangerous waters and it is God and His Son Jesus Christ born of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit you sport with now…I see it is gone beyond us here, for what you do and say is wrong and now you are told so for He shall not take lightly you who sport over His Sons’ Inheritance and His Son and the Deity of His Son who shall Inherit all things for He is indeed born of God His own Son born of woman and you reject it obviously for the mundane pedophile and his lies. Oh what a place you come to to challenge God and His Son. I leave you to God for it is He you argue with!
Once again, you cannot answer a direct question. Is Jesus (peace be upon him) your God or not?
you have an IQ problem…….we both answered you.
Jesus Christ is the incarnate Son of God and He is My Saviour and Lord and I shall follow Him right to the throne of God You blind guide who strains at a gnat but swallow a camel …you are the same as all who reject the truth after all!
OK, that said it all that Jesus is your saviour and your Lord. That is your belief. As for me, I only believe in One God and One God alone, no associate of what so ever. And Jesus (pbuh) is one of the Prophets.
I only have one God also, and his name is Yahweh…..YHVH
You are really confusing me… Just now you said Jesus (pbuh) is your Lord, and now said again that you have one God Yahweh. Which is really your God? Jesus or Yahweh?
The Father is Yahweh……
Lord is a title of authority…..it means owner…..in hebrew, the man who owns his house is called adon, or lord,……
sarah called abraham lord.
calling someone Lord indicates they have authority over you….
Father God, who is the Lord of all Lords, gave Jesus this authority, as a result of his self sacrifice for others done out of love for humanity.
Jesus is lord over the earth, lord over satan who has to bow to him, if jesus gives him a command, and jesus is lord over our lives, because we have chosen to obey his teachings and love the father as he told us
Jesus was even given lordship over the water, as he could speak to the storm and make it stop. He was give lordship over death, as he could command a dead person to come back to life.
so we acknowledge this, and call Jesus Lord also.
So you have “Father God, who is the Lord of all Lords”. So the Father is the Lord of all Lords, and Jesus is your Lord (one of the Lords). Meaning you have many Lords? My understanding of Lordship (God) is that there should only be one, if you have many Lords, then i can’t change that belief. As far as I am concern, I have only one Lord (God)!
The father God is the Lord over all Lords, since he is God, he is the “boss”
in the hierarchy of the divine, there are being we would obey as God has given them authority over us.
for example, if an angel came to you and gave you a message from God to do something, wouldn’t you do it?
you would be obeying the angel.
a king in your country would have lordship over you, and you have to obey him, because it is the law.
a boss where you work has lordship over you, and you have to obey him also, or you will get fired.
in one company, you can have a supervisor, who has a supervisor, who has a greater supervisor….and finally there is the one who OWNS the company, and he is the greatest authority.
so it is in this world.
you can have many lords in your life, but who is your greatest Lord, who has more authority than all the others? you will obey him, and maybe disobey the others.
well, in my life, Father God is Yahweh, and he is the LORD of all Lords…….he is the one I submit to, even if it means I have to disobey everyone else on earth.
Jesus and the Father are always in agreement. they are united in purpose.
SO when I acknowledge jesus as lord, I am also acknowledging his Father as supreme Lord. Jesus obeys the Father and I obey both of them. this is because the instructions Jesus gave came from the father to begin with.
the FAther is King of all creation. Jesus as the son, is the prince.
you would obey a king.
but if the king sent his son to you, you would also obey the prince, because he comes from the king, and they are both royalty.
Jesus is the prince, the messiah, and he is lord in my life.
but the Father god , whose name is Yahweh, is the greatest Lord.
does that make sense yet?
isn’t it your bedtime?
It is, but if it is for the sake of Hereafter, what is few hours more…
i added an extra sentence. so reread what I just posted
You accused me of having IQ problem, yet it seems to me that you are the one who cannot even explain your faith in One God. No point for any discussion… as you said, maybe it is bedtime… Peace be upon you.
read my last comment. I apologize for any lack of patience.
what seems easy to me to understand, may be hard for someone else.
I have been studying this for 40 years.
MA
As for the accuracy of the Bible, It is by far the most scrutinized, and accurate book from all of history. If you don’t believe this then take the time to read the following link.
http://www.pytlik.com/observe/deliverus/word-04.html
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The most accurate? Meaning you have many versions and revisions?
too bad you do not question the quran as much, you would find many problems with it.
there may be only one version, but it is wrong.
Your opinion is your opinion, my conversation to Islam is mine alone… If you think it is wrong, so be it. I converted from catholism to Islam because i believe in One God.
So do the JEws, so why didnt you convert to Judaism?
Did the Jews recognized Prophet Jesus (pbuh)? And Mary? in the miracles of Prophet Jesus (pbuh)? No, right? They even killed crucified (according to your version). We muslims recognized Prophet Jesus and Mary, you should have known that we have full chapter for them in noble Quraan. How can I be a Jew then? And why you chose for me my religion?
you only recognize a fake version of Jesus and Mary….so you are as lost as the Jews are. some jews may have killed jesus at that time, but many jews accepted him as their messiah.
in contrast, muslims have been crucifying jesus for 1400 years.
OK then, that is according to you…
The Jews did recognize Jesus and many do today the old and new testaments were written by Jews and the early Church was first all Jewish. Once again you have not read the scriptures or maybe you assume that Catholic doctrine is after all, all the Chrisitan words that existed. You speak from Catholic doctrine and that is archaiic indeed or is it because you can do nothing else… the Comforter promised to be sent is the Holy Spirit and the foul Islam claims the pedophile is this but do not sport with the Holy Spirit or our intelligence to repeat such blasphemy again. We have all heard it and blasphemy it is only the sin against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven man.
Really? The Jews recognized Jesus (pbuh)? Can elaborate?
The early church was made of Jews, who spread the faith and good news to the outside world. all the apostles were jews. the first church was jewish
Agree, and so is Jesus a Jew… what i am asking is, the present Jews accept Jesus? I mean those who are Jews, you said accept Jesus (pbuh)?
Most do not now. But there are still Messianic Jews, who accept Jesus as the son of God, and as their Messiah.
read the bible, for the first time in your life.
Who said I have not read the bible? Not sure though if that was the same version as the one you are reading…
I am reading the original one. if you had read ANY version, you would have had the answers to your questions.
Really? you are reading the “Original” version? That is new to me. I always thought that you have numerous versions and hence it was necessary to have 325 CE meeting at Nicea. The apostles and people of power (the priests) did not know how to interpret what Jesus (pbuh) left behind! The first topic up for discussion at that time was ‘Do we take Jesus to be God? Or do we take Jesus to be a messenger, Prophet of God’. Now you are saying you have the original?
you thought wrong. stop listening to people and read the bible, which was around BEFORE the council…..those that READ the bible understood it….those that listened to others got it confused, like you do.
ok then, you continue reading your “original bible version”, before that council. As for me, i will look for inspiration and guidance from other scriptures, that i can rely on.
that is your right to believe as you wish. I am obligated to properly explain my faith.
The Romans, killed Jesus, the Sanhedrin wanted them to and Pilate a Roman Governor ordered His death, your understanding and speech is lacking of truth.
Oh ya, now it is the Romans to be blamed. Who then instigated the Romans, and called for Jesus (pbuh) death?
a group of about 20-30 Pharisees called for the death of Jesus…..they then engaged the Romans who cooperated. 20-30 jews do not represent the entire nation at that time. most did not know what was going on until it was too late.
from then on, there were those who still followed Jesus as Messiah, and those who were taught to reject jesus in later generations……most people followed jesus while he was here.
Well, i’ll take it from your own word that it was the Jews who called for the death of Jesus (pbuh), which i also declared earlier.
yes, they felt Jesus was a threat to the security of the jews, and would get the jews in trouble with the romans. jesus taught that he was the messiah, which was meant to be a king, and this new “king” could be considered a challenge to the Romans, who would then attack or enslave the jews for believing him.
They said it would be better to sacrifice one jew, than to have all the jews killed because of one man.
yes, you believe in the moon god, which is an ancient pagan god of many gods, that muhammed picked to suddenly be the only god.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm
why do you think the moon and star is your symbol? astrology origins.
Your words really are a display of great ignorance of Islam… but of course I cannot blame as you are not muslim. Who told you that we worship the moon and the sun as Gods? You must have been out of your mind believing that. apology but i will use… LOL. Research properly before opening your mouth please.
You speak now in pure ignorance and arrogance for we speak from the scriptures and you speak from your hate. The Lord our God shall judge between you and us. His Word has been put out for all to read and you may go and read the Aramaaic, Greek and Hebrew if you understand it but all Scriptures He told us to teach others of in their languages as He will not play the fool you ask us to play. All may hear the Word of God in their languages for God made them at the Tower of Babel and take care for it is you who plays at Blasphemy!
At this I do withdraw for I see you Mohamed now make fun of God and His Word by bantering at semantics and I want no part of what you do. He made the languages and does not expect us all to speak them all and you play now at something that is indeed evil. Go to it. You know better.
Well, lady, i cannot see any four-letter word or whatever language of hate in any of my post. I really do not know where you based that conclusion. What arrogance you are referring to?
marie
I do not think there is a hate issue. he just does not believe you.
It is possible that he does not feel the hate the text command but I suspect from the way he speaks and is indoctrinated that it is something most of them don’t admit but do. The indoctrination is deep rooted when it is taught from the Qu’ran Marianne, so I won’t concede but I will consider that possibility.
I just know that I have met many over the last 15 years that start out with honey but always are discovered with acid at the heart……….and it is also why he went after the trinity…he is well trained as a fisherman on the airwaves and is no innocent. These are only a few from the Qu’ran and our preaching Muslim is well aware of them…he fishes for the weak and knows that there are many who have no desire to search the truth out until forced to accept when it is too late. I know he knows all these that require them to hate us until they convert us which is why they are ordered to kill us if we do not convert or submit as a dhimmi acknowledging them as over us…and no free man would or one committed to Christ. They are commanded by the delusional prophet to kill us and especially Christians and Jews.
There are so many texts but if you read these few you will see why he has gone after the trinity doctrine and is incapable of discussion when he is refuted…he is trained to do and say what he does but cannot reason with truth Marianne and I find it very difficult to believe there is no hate that the prophet taught. It is dissobedience to the Qu’ran.
Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).
Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.
Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.
Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
There are many more written of this time of great slaughter and warnings to all muslims they must fight and kill the infidel and you can find them here and at many more sites that expose the truth Islam means War not peace.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
I do not believe this Muslim does not know these texts or has not read them…I have read them for many years and they say exactly what they do….
Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
The Hadith is the Bukharis that have the recorded slaughterings.. they are difficult to read…but, I do not think this man who speaks here is ignorant of them for He speaks as their fishers always do with shaded pride and what I believe is hatred to the unbelievers who refuse to submit to their teachings…they are not as innocent as at first perceived I have learned Marianne.
I think what you say is true about the Quran, but that our purpose is to spread the love of Jesus at the same time. Obviously, if one converts to another religion, they did not feel that to begin with.
MA,
Do you believe that you have a soul? How about a Spirit?
yes, and yes….
That ? was for Mohamed. But I am glad you do!
ok. i thought MA meant….. Mari Anne
oops! didn’t even think of that
Hello “hello all”… i am really out of words for that question, for very obvious reason. We are all discussing here our salvation on the Hereafter (soul/spirit/heaven/hell) and to ask that question is ****** (sorry i seldom use ugly words). And please do not attempt to convince me that i made the wrong choice when I jumped from catholism to Islam. In fact, I do pray that you accept and worship One God alone, without any associate. This is the same message that all Prophets from Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad (may peace be upon them all), have called for from the very beginning. To accuse any of them immorality by what you have learned and heard, goes beyond human intellect, not to mention from God-fearing person that you want to portray (i.e, not to smear the face of others). In the case of our Prophet (pbuh) for example, all sort of negative accusations had been hurled, and no one ever asked (from those in suspicion) one fundamental question… did the Prophet (pbuh) benefitted from the Prophecy that was handed down to him? Wasn’t he was offered the riches of Arabia in return for his betrayal of the truth? and he declined it… If he is the man of immorality that you so portrayed, why didn’t he accepted the money? Why had he married only those widowed wives of his close friends who died in battle, of relatives and his enemies, whereas he was offered hundreds of young women in return for his betrayal. Arabian marriage, like those of the Prophet (pbuh) to Aisha (pbuh), have been intended to strenghten relation, for blood-related tribes will not fight each other, they become brothers by marriage. These tribal traditions will give any present day individual the shiver of non-acceptance as they know nothing about the existing traditions then and there. My point is, had the Prophet (pbuh) benefitted from the Prophecy? NO!!! In fact, he suffered most including most of those who followed him. None of them came back, and claimed riches after their victory 2 1/5 decades later.
In any religion, including yours, different opinion and interpretations will ultimately arise. Hence numerous sects would follow certain rules according to their interpretation. Some would follow extremism, whereas majority would not and decide to adopt to the world they now live. Take most GCC countries for example, UAE in particular, their Shariah and Sunnah (laws and practices) reflects much of what i subscribe to, a peaceful interpretation of the scriptures. There are many references of fighting in the Quraan and ALSO the STRICT CONDITIONS as well from other parts of the Quraan that must be followed to justify your act. One cannot justify an attack if he is already free to worship, is not being oppressed and is not under imminent attack (meaning he is already safe and free to practice Islam). The Islam that I came to know does not condone any attack if the above conditions were not violated. And there are those other sects who deviated even in day-day practice, such as those in Iran, and part of Iraq, Bahrain, Palestine (Gaza), etc, who followed a different interpretation and perform rituals that, in my opinion, does not conform to some teachings of Islam. But only Allah knows what ultimately is allowed or not, it is not for me to judge.
So as you see, I am a muslim who will not play a thy holy attitude knowing that we are all humans and we all must just try to practice our beliefs as best as we could to please our One and only One Creator. I do hope that, you can come to realize that by smearing the image of others, may not do you any good, and worst, it may even do you harm in the Hereafter. So why take the risk? Instead of instigating the rest of the word to hate one portion of the society, why not come to respect their belief, same way as most muslim countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, UAE, etc… allowed numerous Churches and Temples in between their Mosques… If the whole of Islam is really so violent and corrupted as you have tried to portrayed, it would have not grown from a single individual to 1.6billion now, surpassing the catholic population.
You have tried so hard to hear from me the violent act or words that you’ve expected from a Muslim, please do not attempt as I see no reason for becoming violent or rude when I can achieve better result if I humble myself and remove any sign of arrogance to every individual I meet, irrespective of their belief. The persistence and arguments I presented must have annoyed you or come as arrogance to you, but believe me, they are all intended to show my determination in my choice of Islam… Once again, may peace be with you all.
Thank you for sharing that. We all must remember to evaluate people on their individual behavior, not on the group they belong to.
interesting scenario. I have an ex muslim staying with me who converted to christianity…..he met the Lord and was healed. Allah never did that for him.
That is the decision only he has the right to do, and he only have himself and no one else to blame in the judgement day, had he made the wrong choice…
not exactly., but in general yes….it depends on the righteousness of the one making the decision.
one who has the spirit of god in them can discern correctly….and discernment is necessary for our safety and general welfare.
for example, if I observe that someone kills, then I can judge him to be a murderer, and it would be wise to stay away from him.
If I see that someone steals, then I would not want that person in my home.
If I judge that someone has lied, then I can decide not to trust that person and what he says.
This is spiritual discernment, and I do have the right to make the decisions about how to respond to these people.
However, I do not know if they will repent later, only God knows. But I can see the path they are on, and if it is safe for me to be around them at this time.
In the same way, we can make decisions about belief systems.
You based your decision to convert to Islam on your catholic experience.
I base my decision to remain a christian on what the bible actually teaches.
I also see if other belief systems agree or disagree with the bible, in part , or in total, and look at what is the same, and what is different about the other belief system.
That is righteous judgment.
Righteous judgement in the Hereafter is for Him and Him alone…
as I explained, we are allowed righteous judgment, we are NOT allowed to make FINAL judgment
Mahamed,
My point in asking you the question on the soul and spirit, is to point out that there are three parts to you, why should we limit Almighty God to only one possible manifestation. In the genesis account we have all three manifestations of God taking part in the act of creation.
Read Genesis 1:1-2 Here we see God, The Spirit of God, and the Word of God. From the very beginning we have the triune God.
You yourself, Made in the image of God, resemble him in that you have a body, soul, and spirit. All three are one you, and all three are distinct parts of you. Each on its own is in essence fully you.
Christianity is not a religion, its a relationship with God. When you truly Know God, you truly know how he created you, and you truly understand yourself. To deny that God can manifest himself in the Spirit, and in the flesh, is to deny that you do not have a spirit, or a soul, and that you are only flesh. This is an empty existence which leads only to wickedness, and fleshly desires. As well as being a simple view of the self.
I think that anyone who chooses not to believe in the triune God is living an empty and temporal fleshly existence. You are more than welcome to do so, But you also do not have a relationship with God, only a battle of the flesh, which even if you were to conquer the flesh by coercian is a relationship devoid of Love and mercy, and grace. This is why the muslim faith often produces violent behaviour in its adherents. Violence towards others (infidels), towards women, towards children. Because when we do not know God, and the Gospel of Jesus, we do not know what true sacrificial love is, but only react in vengence and translate that into “love”. This is the illness that plagues this world, and is the result of separation from the one true God.
See the comfort that we have from the “comforter” is far beyond any devotion that you aspire to in your muslim faith. Your coming here to try and convert people who know the love of God firsthand is pointless, for there is no turning back for those who are under his wings which was enabled by the blood of Jesus. Those who truly understand the Gospel and testimony of Jesus will not ever be converted to your faith.
Someday, when your life reaches the point, where you actually see the emptiness of your existence, remember what I said to you here. The Gospel is Good news to those who receive it. It is the only place where true sacrificial love is exemplified in the life and sacrifice of love made by Jesus. Again it is yours to reject, But you are missing out on the blessing that knowing God provides.
How many God you have then? Can you declare them all, as I do? As far As I am concern I only have One God and One God alone, without any association… Can you at least profess your faith to the world? How many can you associate with the One God? If that is your believe, then God’s forbid, goodluck to you.
I have only one God, Yahweh who has revealed himself to us three different ways. As God the father, As God the Son, and as God the Holy Spirit. It is not 1+1+1=3 as muslims claim, It is 1x1x1=1. So yes I believe in one God and one God alone, but I do not limit him to the realm of the heavenlies only. He is the God of this world and the Spirit world as well. and he is in control of all these worlds. It is Muslims who are making God less than God in what they believe.
I do not equate Yahweh, with Allah.
Perhaps this will explain what I am saying.
6 This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. 9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. 11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 John 5:6-12)
May God be praised.
Not only you make mockery of your Gods by applying mathematical formula for “their” very existence, you also made comparison as wormlike (below’s blog)… OK then, it is all up to you if you say you have seen and killed your own God, so your souls can be saved.
i was hoping to get people back in balance on this topic, but it is going in the wrong direction.
There is no math to explain God.
He is just God.
And he has a heavenly son named Jesus ( Yeshua)
I know that he is son of God, as we do… but not God…
we are NOT sons of god when we are born
we are only creations, sons of Man, made of flesh when we are born.
We are disconnected spiritually from god due to sin
We have to go through a spiritual rebirth and reconnect to the Father God
The only way to do this is forgiveness of sins through Jesus
corrected He to WE
In boolean mathematics 1+1 = 1 , and 0+0 = is also 1. From that formula, if I apply to God (as you do). I can create God from nothing (0+0 = 1)… You actually do not all the 3, 2 will do, as 1+1 = 1 (in boolean mathematics). That is how you want to count your Gods?
The One God (Allah) that i know is Inseparable, Supreme and Almighty, and does not need anything or anyone as He is Perfect, He neither slumber, nor rest, nor sleep. He is All Knowing, All Seeing and Unseen. He is the Greatest and none in comparison and likeness. And most importantly, He is One, which even your own scriptures confirmed in Deuteronomy 4:35 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD He is God; there is none else beside him. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. How can you then split your God into three, or combined three into One? Does it imply that when God the Son died on the cross, the other two died along with him? Your theory of Inseparable become separated and three becomes One is at most contracting, not to say void of logical and scriptural basis.
Moreso, according to Islam and majority of your Old scriptures, no one had ever seen Allah, face to face, for they cannot bear the sight that will behold them if they see Him. Islam is firm on this position (He is Unseen), unlike the Bible where numerous contradictions existed. Exodus 33:20 claims that no man can see God and live. Oddly, in some other Exodus 33, 32 and 24, says the opposite as well as The New Testament books of John, Timothy, and 1 John agree with this claim, stating that no man has seen God, nor could any man ever see God. This is odd, considering that the authors of the New Testament were almost certainly aware of the many Old Testament figures reputed to have seen God face to face, including Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Amos, and seventy unnamed Levite elders.
My point for the above is, God will not manifest Himself face-face knowing His mere sight will destroy His subject, hence it is always recorded in most scriptures that God the Unseen, always manifest Himself through means visible to humans likes visions or dreams (revelations), angels or spirits (which you now claim as God the Holy Spirit), and Messengers or Prophet (which you now claim as God the Son). The idea that God will offer Himself for dead in the cross is a big disrespect to the God Almighty whose mere sight will humble any beholder. If His very sight reduce a mortal to dust, what more to say touch or crucify Him?
As I said earlier, I am merely emphasizing my believe in One God and One God alone, without any association. I hope that you will soon realize that there is only One God and that He has no associates. Please do not forsake and abandon the One God that your forefathers have revealed generations before you.
See my reply above. What You say in your second to last paragraph is the point of what you are missing regarding a true understanding of sacrificial, Godly love. Yes those who see him face to face will die, but God humbled himself and became man To suffer and to die for our sins. That would be like you becoming a worm, and dying to save the rest of “wormkind”. We do not deserve or earn the Love of God, he in his mercy offers it to us as a free gift, we only have to repent of our old ways and receive his (Jesus) testimony.
God has offered his grace,mercy and kindness to us which if we accept, he will save us, but if we reject it, he will come as a consuming fire in his wrath.
Astaghfirullah… what on earth can compare his God to a worm.
yes, there is only one God..
But this God has a son…..
he pre-existed in heaven before he incarnated on earth.
and he is back there now.
So that’s it, there is only one God! And Jesus is son of God, like us, actually better than us since he is a noble Prophet, but not God.
Jesus was the son of God before he came to earth. so yes he is more than us. we have the opportunity to be similar to him if we embrace his teachings about the Father and his salvation he offered us, when he took our punishment for our sins. Nothing can pay the punishment for sin except death, and he did that for us, so we could be with the Father in heaven. Good deeds will not get us into heaven after we sin, only the blood.
Jesus is both son of Man and son of God.
we are BORN only as sons of Man…but not as sons of god.
We only become sons of God if we are BORN AGAIN, which is a spiritual birth, not a physical one.
You guys really cannot even describe the real position of Jesus in your faith… how can you then convince me back to your faith? You cannot even have a solid position to argue.
I am describing his position, but you are not understanding it yet.
My position is VERY solid
Solid? What version you are using? And why version? Meaning you have a lot of bibles? Which one is correct?
Solid = the bible
there is only one bible…..
all the “versions” say the same thing and have the same content…….
and you cannot prove there is any difference between any of them.
So you think I don’t I don;t know the BIBLES? What about (those before your King James New Version) like the Christian Bible by the Church of England? The Great Bible by King Henry? The Bishops Bible? Book of Common Prayer? The Latin Vulgate version… Lady, this page will not be enough to enumerate all your versions.
As for the discrepancies (these does not include the CONTRADICTIONS between verses):
(1)Galatians iv. 25 (from the Bishops’ Bible). The Greek word susoichei is not well translated as now it is, bordereth neither expressing the force of the word, nor the apostle’s sense, nor the situation of the place.
(2) psalm cv. 28 (from the Great Bible), ‘They were not obedient;’ the original being, ‘They were not disobedient.’
(3) psalm cvi. 30 (also from the Great Bible), ‘Then stood up Phinees and prayed,’ the Hebrew hath, ‘executed judgment.’
(4) King James cited two passages in the Geneva translation where he found the marginal notes offensive:[44] Exodus 1:19, where the Geneva Bible had commended the example of civil disobedience showed by the Hebrew midwives, and also II Chronicles 15:16, where the Geneva Bible had criticized King Asa for not having executed his idolatrous grandmother, Queen Maachah.
(5) Blah, blah, blah… 1,000x more (too many to list here)
Isn’t that your own bible itself, said you cannot change a single word thereof? WHY YOU CHANGED THEM?
you copied and pasted this garbage from somewhere.
go read the bible for yourself.
Bibles’s variations between Majority Text/Textus Receptus and critical text
The following list contains texts where the Majority Text is in agreement with the Textus Receptus, against the critical text.
MT = Majority Text. CT = Critical text
Gospels
Matthew 5:44
MT: But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.
CT: But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.
Matthew 6:13
MT: And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
CT: And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one.
Matthew 17:21
MT: However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.
CT: Verse omitted
Matthew 18:11
MT: For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.
CT: Verse omitted
Matthew 20:16
MT: So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.
CT: So the last will be first, and the first last.
Matthew 20:22, 23
MT: But Jesus answered and said, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?” They said to Him, “We are able.” So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.
CT: But Jesus answered and said, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink?” They said to Him, “We are able.” So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.
Matthew 23:14
MT: Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
CT: Verse omitted
Matthew 24:36
MT: But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
CT: But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but My Father only.
Mark 6:11
MT: And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!
CT: And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them.
Mark 7:8
MT: For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.
CT: For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men.
Mark 7:16
MT: If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!
CT: Verse omitted
Mark 9:43-46
MT: If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’
CT: If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell.
Mark 9:49
MT: For everyone will be seasoned with fire, and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt.
CT: For everyone will be seasoned with fire.
Mark 10:24
MT: And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God!
CT: And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
Mark 11:26
MT: But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.
CT: Verse omitted
Mark 14:19
MT: And they began to be sorrowful, and to say to Him one by one, “Is it I?” And another said, “Is it I?”
CT: And they began to be sorrowful, and to say to Him one by one, “Is it I?”
Mark 15:28
MT: So the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And He was numbered with the transgressors.
CT: Verse omitted
Mark 16:9-20
Omitted in the critical text. See Mark 16
Luke 1:28
MT: And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”
CT: And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you!”
Luke 9:55-56
MT: But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.
CT: But He turned and rebuked them. And they went to another village.
Luke 11:2-4
MT: So He said to them, “When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one.”
CT: So He said to them, “When you pray, say: Father, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.”
Luke 11:11
MT: If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish?
CT: If a son asks from any father among you for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish?
Luke 22:43-44
MT: Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him. And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
CT: Verses marked as a later addition
Luke 23:17
MT: (for it was necessary for him to release one to them at the feast)
CT: Verse omitted
Luke 23:34
MT: Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.” And they divided His garments and cast lots.
CT: And they divided His garments and cast lots. (The first sentence is marked as a later addition)
John 1:18
MT: No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
CT: No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
John 5:3-4
MT: In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had.
CT: In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed.
John 6:69
MT: Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
CT: Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Holy One of God.
John 7:53-8:11
Passage omitted in the critical text. See Jesus and the woman taken in adultery
John 8:59
MT: Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
CT: Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.
Acts
Acts 2:30
MT: Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne
CT: Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, He would seat one on his throne
Acts 13:42
MT: So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
CT: And when they went out, they begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 15:24
MT: Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment
CT: Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, to whom we gave no such commandment
Acts 18:21
MT: but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.
CT: but took leave of them, saying, “I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.
Acts 23:9
MT: Then there arose a loud outcry. And the scribes of the Pharisees’ party arose and protested, saying, “We find no evil in this man; but if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him, let us not fight against God.”
CT: Then there arose a loud outcry. And the scribes of the Pharisees’ party arose and protested, saying, “We find no evil in this man; what if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”
Acts 24:6-8
MT: “He even tried to profane the temple, and we seized him, and wanted to judge him according to our law. But the commander Lysias came by and with great violence took him out of our hands, commanding his accusers to come to you. By examining him yourself you may ascertain all these things of which we accuse him.”
CT: “He even tried to profane the temple, and we seized him. By examining him yourself you may ascertain all these things of which we accuse him.”
Acts 28:29
MT: And when he had said these words, the Jews departed and had a great dispute among themselves.
CT: Verse omitted
Pauline epistles
Rom 8:1
MT: There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
CT: There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.
Rom 10:15
MT: And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
CT: And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring glad tidings of good things!”
Rom 11:6
MT: And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
CT: And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Rom 14:6
MT: He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
CT: He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
Rom 16:24
MT: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
CT: Verse omitted
1 Cor 6:20
MT: For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
CT: For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body.
1 Cor 9:20
MT: and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law
CT: and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, though not being myself under the law that I might win those who are under the law
1 Cor 14:38
MT: But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
CT: But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
Gal 3:1
MT: O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
CT: O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Eph 5:30
MT: For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
CT: For we are members of His body.
Php 3:16
MT: Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
CT: Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same.
1 Tim 6:5
MT: useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.
CT: useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
General epistles
Hebrews 10:34
MT: for you had compassion on me in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.
CT: for you had compassion on the prisoners, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.
1 Peter 2:2
MT: as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby
CT: as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby up to salvation
1 Peter 4:14
MT: If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified.
CT: If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.
2 Peter 1:21
MT: for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
CT: for prophecy never came by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
1 John 3:1
MT: Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
CT: Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! And we are. Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
1 John 4:3
MT: and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
CT: and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
1 John 5:13
MT: These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
CT: These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Jude 22-23
MT: And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.
CT: And on some have compassion, who are doubting; but others save, pulling them out of the fire, and on some have mercy with fear hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.
Jude 25
MT: To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
CT: To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Before all time, now and forever. Amen.
Revelation
Rev 22:14
MT: Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
CT: Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Variations between Textus Receptus and Majority Text
The following list contains texts where the Majority Text varies from the Textus Receptus. Critical text readings are indicated where these diverge from both.
TR = Textus Receptus. MT = Majority text. CT = critical text
Gospels
Matthew 27:35
TR: Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: “They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.”
MT/CT: Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots.
Luke 17:36
TR: Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.
MT/CT: Verse omitted
Acts
Acts 8:37
TR: Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
MT/CT: Verse omitted
Acts 9:5-6
TR: And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.” So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?” Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
MT/CT: And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
Acts 10:6
TR: “He is lodging with Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea. He will tell you what you must do.”
MT/CT: “He is lodging with Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea.”
Acts 10:21
TR: Then Peter went down to the men who had been sent to him from Cornelius, and said, “Yes, I am he whom you seek. For what reason have you come?”
MT/CT: Then Peter went down to the men, and said, “Yes, I am he whom you seek. For what reason have you come?”
Acts 15:34
TR: However, it seemed good to Silas to remain there.
MT/CT: Verse omitted
Pauline epistles
Romans 16:25-27
MT: Verses are placed after Rom 14:23
General epistles
Hebrews 2:7
TR: You have made him a little lower than the angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor, And set him over the works of Your hands.
MT/CT: You have made him a little lower than the angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor.
Hebrews 12:20
TR: For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.”
MT/CT: For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.”
1 John 5:7-8
Main article: Comma Johanneum
TR: For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
MT/CT: For there are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
Revelation
Rev 1:8
TR: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
MT/CT: “I am the Alpha and the Omega” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Rev 1:11
TR: saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
MT/CT: saying, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
Rev 2:20
TR: Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman, Jezebel who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
MT: Nevertheless I have against you that you tolerate your wife Jezebel who calls herself a prophetess, and teaches and seduces My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
CT: Nevertheless I have against you that you tolerate that woman, Jezebel who calls herself a prophetess, and teaches and seduces My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
Rev 4:2-3
TR/CT: Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald.
MT: Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald.
Rev 5:14
TR: Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.
MT/CT: Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the elders fell down and worshiped Him.
Rev 8:7
TR: The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
MT/CT: The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth and a third of the earth was burned up. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
Rev 11:17
TR: saying: “We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.”
MT/CT: saying: “We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.”
Rev 14:5
TR: And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.
MT/CT: And in their mouth was found no falsehood, for they are without fault.
Rev 16:5
TR: And I heard the angel of the waters saying: “You are righteous, O Lord, The One who is and who was and who is to be, Because You have judged these things.”
MT/CT: And I heard the angel of the waters saying: “You are righteous, The One who is and who was, the Holy One, Because You have judged these things.”
Rev 21:24
TR: And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
MT: And the nations shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring the glory and honor of the nations to Him.
CT: And the nations shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
Rev 22:19
TR: and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
MT: and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the Tree of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
CT: and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Tree of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Mohamed,
I will end this conversation here as it is turning into name calling and misrepresentation. I did not compare God to a worm, I used that as an analogy, and to say that man is nothing more than worms. If you cannot understand that analogy then you lack mental capacity to hold any kind of normal debate, and if you had a sword and were standing next to me you would have beheaded me by now. This is exactly what I mean by the fact that you and those who hold to your religion have a lack of understanding of the Sacrificial Love. You only meet someone who disagrees with you with vengence, and see it as an attack on your religion.
It is muslims that site math to point out the flaw in our understanding, saying 1+1+1=3. I am merely correcting their math in that everytime God reaches down from heaven multiplies our understanding of Him and his Love. Your religion has no Godly Love. That is why I will never accept it. Sorry to be so harsh, as you need to hear the Truth, so that you can reject that, thereby sharing in the full measure of the wrath of God when he comes. That is where you are headed.
May you find his Love and Grace before it is too late!
I think using numbers to describe God is a useless method.
If we want to understand God, we only need to read the words of Jesus, who taught us about the Father in heaven.
Sorry marianne
I am done here, I had to make the point I made to show his motives.
afiq
first of all God created Adam as his own image so your opinion about noone looks like God is wrong.
In the book of acts. Stefanos/stephen looks up into the sky and sees Jesus to the right and God the father in the middle and stefanos is full of holy spirit when he sees this and the Bibel tells us that if you questioning the holy spirit then you will not get a trial in heaven when you die and end up in hell directly. If muslims say no one has seen God then all muslims will burn in hell without getting a trial.
That is according to your scriptures, which i do not subscribe. So since you are son of Adam, would that make you look like God?
the bible clearly states that God created man in his own image.
even the Quran does not dispute Genesis
That is your opinion only, as far as muslims are concerned, God never mentioned in al Quraan that we were created to His image… it just said that we were created from dust (obviously to the current image that we now have)…
That is not my opinion.
You do not know the bible.
it is written:
yes, we are created from dust, but unto his image….God can do anything with dirt.
Lady, I know what the bible said, that’s why i abondoned it! In fact, i was not even able to identify the authenticity of it. Remember the meeting in Nicea 325AD? Wasn’t that meeting was convened because there are so many versions? So if so many of them, how can i believe any? Hence, i abandoned it because it is pointless to believe in something that you cannot even authenticate. Second to the reason i left christianity is that declaration in that meeting (of men) that Jesus is God (literally abandoning the One God that Moses, Abraham, Jesus (himself declared that One God) etc had preached before them)…
afiq
you don’t know how to use your brain. thats why you left God to Satan. you didn’t know what love is all about either.
ADAM,,, WHEN I WAS CATHOLIC, THEY TOLD ME ABOUT GOD BEING ONE AND THEN TELLS YOU ALSO THERE ARE TWO MORE,,, SUCH WAS THE CONFUSION. WORST STILL, THE BISHOPS CANNOT EVEN EXPLAIN WHY THE MANY VERSIONS OF BIBLES WHEN IT SAID IN MATEO IT IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHANGE A SINGLE LETTER. FIRST YOU ARE FORCE TO ACCEPT THAT 1is3 AND 3is1, THEN THEY CANNOT EVEN CLARIFY THE DISCREPACIES? ISLAM GAVE ME THAT EXPLANATION, A STRAIGHT FORWARD LOGIC, THAT ALMIGHTY IS ALLPOWERFULL (MEANING NO CO-EQUAL, NO ASSOCIATE)… IT DOES MAKES SENSE, AND THE QURAAN HAS BEEN PROTECTED IN ITS PUREST FORM… THAT IS THE TRUTH I CAN RELY ON.
you are arguing against catholicism, not biblical christianity
SO ADAM, NOW TELL ME, HOW DO YOU USE YOUR BRAIN IN ACCEPTING A BIBLE THAT WAS CORRUPTED BY THE VATICAN FOR CENTURIES?
the bible is not corrupt.
the vatican does not know how to interpret it.
neither do you.
because you never read it.
Lady, you want the world to know the VARIATIONS RIGHT? THEY ARE ALL THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE… SO WHY READ SOMETHING THAT WAS CHANGED MANY TIMES?
for one thing, you do not quote the bible
you are quoting some internet source, who changed what it wanted
the meanings are all the SAME.
Have you ever picked up any of these books, to see if what you copy and paste is true,? or do you know if they even exist?
THESE ARE FOREVER MARKED IN YOUR HISTORY, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN HIDE ALL THESE FROM THE WORLD BY CHALLENGING THEM IF THEY REALLY READ IT… THESE ARE THE POINTS WE ALWAYS HIGHLIGHT TO THE 2000 NEW MUSLIMS WE CONVERT A YEAR (FROM CATHOLISM) IN ABU DHABI…. GO TO OUR MOSQUE AND YOU WILL WITNESS CATHOLICS AND CHRISTIANS CONVERTING TO ISLAM IN DAILY BASIS… OUR MOSQUE IS IN ELEKTRA STREET….
YOU THINK I WOULD NOT READ THE BIBLE AFTER 28 YEARS IN CATHOLISM? HOW WOULD I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE QURAAN IF I DO NOT KNOW BOTH?
you do not even know what the first book of Genesis says……why would I believe you?
you go by what people teach you…..it is obvious you do not know what the bible says about jesus, or I would not have to explain it to you
YA I THINK I FORGOT ALREADY THE WHOLE TEXT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING LIKE “IN THE BEGINNING…”, I MEAN, I AM APPROXIMATING BECAUSE THE GENESIS IS THE BEGINNING. DID I GOT IT RIGHT?
yes you got the first verse right, but you did not know that God created man in his own image…..that is verse 27….so you did not get too far,…my impression is that you just heard about verse one, since you did not read the chapter for yourself.
Oh dear, you are really persistent, you want me to cut and past the whole bible’s text NOW? Do you know that we no longer live in the floppy disk era and everything is digitized?
I know you are very deceived…..
1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17: And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18: And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
so you just learned to copy and paste?
so what?
why do this if you do not believe what it says?
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, I CAN’T EVEN TELL WHICH VERSION THEY CAME FROM, SO HOW CAN I BELIEVE IT’S AUTHENTICITY?
why don’t you read a bible for the first time…instead of copying and pasting..
copy and paste means this is how your mind works…..no independent thought.. you are a robot spitting out junk people have taught you.
you have never met God in your life, so you persist with arguments and junk you find on the internet
you have never read any bible….
you present propaganda….not facts
there is no difference in CONTENT and MEANING of anything you say.
you are copy and paste person….you are not a reader……you are ignorant of the scriptures so you depend on muslims to tell you what to think.
that is why catholics convert…..they are ignorant of scriptures, so they are easily misled.
MYSELF, AND THE REST OF THE EX-PASTORS WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM WILL NOT BE STUPID ENOUGH TO DIVE INTO SOMETHING IF OUR CONVICTIONS ARE NOT FOUNDED… WHY WOULD WE GAMBLE OUR SOUL FOR SOMTHING WE ARE NOT SURE?
ignorance.
lack of holy spirit to guide you
YOU VISIT DOHA QATAR, LOOK FOR AL FANAR AND YOU WILL SEE THE ABU DHABI COUNTERPART OF MULTIPLE NATIONALITIES CONVERTING TO ISLAM ON DAILY BASIS, THEY HAVE AT LEAST 4 EX-PASTORS LEADING THE DOHA TEAM… SEE FOR YOUR SELVES…
YOU CALL THAT IGNORANCE?
OR A CLEAR MANIFESTATION OF CHANGE IN DEMOGRAPHIC DINAMIC? ULTIMATELY, ONLY THE TRUTH WILL DOMINATE…
According to the New York Times, 25% of American Muslims are converts to Islam. In Britain, around 6,000 people convert to Islam per year. ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD NOW, CHRISTIANITY IS NO.6. HINDUISM NO.5
it does not matter if the entire world converts to Islam.
it has a false god.
most converts are black, or catholic, both ignorant groups….easy for them to believe a lie.
bible predicted that the beast would take over the world and persecute the christians and jews.
so now we have a beast,
do we follow the beast, or do we follow Yahweh, the one true god of the bible?
I choose Yahweh
“Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, and the conviction of things not seen.” You never had faith to begin with, only tradition.
LADY, YOU ARE DEVIATING AND AVOIDING THE TOPIC… DOES THE TRUTH HURT?
hello all is a man
I HAVE NOT SEEN OUR PROPHET (PBUH), NOR OUR ONE GOD, YET MY CONVICTION IS SO STRONG THAT I MANAGED TO SHAKE MY CATHOLIC FOUNDATION, DEVOID MYSELF OF IDOLATRY AND FROM ASSOCIATING DEITY TO THE ONE GOD… SUCH IS THE STREGHT OF MY CONVICTION THAT I MIGRATED AWAY FROM HOME TO SAVE MY SOUL AND THOSE OF OTHERS I CAN INVITE TO ISLAM…
there are only 2 “versions.” latin vulgate and king james…..
the latin vulgate incorporated a few more books, the king james left them out, but acknowledges them as separate works
they both provide the same content
THERE ARE STILL MORE THAN 1, NO MATTER HOW YOU HIDE IT… IT ALREADY CAME OUT FROM YOUR OWN MOUTH THAT THERE ARE 2 VERSIONS… I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. POINT TAKEN.
I said they both say the same thing,,,
one has the apocraphyl books included….and the other one has them separate..
SAME content in the comparable books
THERE ARE STILL MORE THAN 1, WHICH IS CORRECT?
no…. you are not correct…..
if something is really a different “version” then it will have different content and meaning.
bot latin and king james say the same thing.
NO DIFFERENCE, YOU DID NOT SEE THE LIST I POSTED ABOVE ON THE VARIATIONS IN THE BIBLES, NOT TO MENTION THE CONTRADICTIONS THEREIN?
LADY, YOU WANT THE WHOLE WORD TO SEE THE VARIATIONS, RIGHT? THEY ARE ALL THERE FOR THEM TO READ,,,, YOU ARE JUST HIDDING THEM…
afig
do you beleive that if you try to convert someone to Islam and that person don’t listen and you kill him that it will wait 72 virgins in each room in 72 rooms for you. LOL LOL LOL. this is brutal and nonsense. this is satans word. only Jesus is allowed to have several wifes. God created man and woman as one flesh. we are equal.
THAT IS THE POINT, WE CAN CONVERT A LOT OF THEM TO ISLAM… AND SOON THE 2BIL CHRISTIANS (CATHOLICS + ALL CHRISTIAN SECTS COMBINED), WILL BE SURPASSED BY MUSLIMS IN POPULATION…
so it is a conquest to take ignorant people and convert them to a false religion?
no one wins…….
only one who wins is satan
WE ARE JUST REPEATING WHAT THE BRITISH AND SPANIARDS DID CENTURIES AGO,,, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, PEOPLE THIS DAYS MAKE INFORMED DECISION…
you are making excuses
you believe in a quran that is filled with error….and reject the truth
Informed….means based on information…..
you get your information from the wrong places
maybe Islam appeals to a basic violent nature that uses accusations to defend itself.
DEFINITELY NOT… IT IS THE TRUTH THAT THEY HAVE LEARNED.
Islam is not the truth
it is antichrist in spirit
ISLAM IS THE TRUTH…
islam is a deception..
the only parts true is what is plagiarized from the bible
ISLAM AND QURAAN IS THE RE-CONFIRMATION OF THE TRUE VERSES IN THE BIBLE, WHERE MAJORITY OF IT HAD BEEN CHANGED AND CORRUPTED (REFER THE HUNDREDS OF SAMPLES ABOVE)…
the quran corrupts the bible by teaching falsehoods about Jesus
THE BIBLES AND ITS MANY VERSIONS WERE ALREADY CORRUPTED BY THE VATICAN 3 CENTURIES BEFORE AL QUARAAN…
no they are still the same verses.
same content
same meaning.
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you get lies off of an Islamic website
OK GUYS, LADIES,,, NICE HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL… PLEASE LEARN FROM IT, AS I DID, AND MAYBE, IN FUTURE, WE CAN ARGUE WITH MORE SOLID REFERENCES…
mine is solid….it is the Word of God, which you have never read
SO BE IT, AS YOU SAID…
WHICH I DON’T AGREE,,, WHICH WORD OF GOD? WHICH VERSION? I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY ADMITTED YOU HAD MORE THAN 1 BIBLE? AND THE LIST OF VARIATIONS (NOT TO MENTIONED THE CONTRADICTIONS THEREIN)… ONE IS SOLID AS THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT… BUT 2 BIBLE VERSIONS?(AS YOU ACCEPTED), BUT ACTUALLY THERE ARE AT LEAST HUNDRED MORE…
you are intentionally refusing to understand what I explained to you
the latin and the king james have the same content and meaning.
therefore there is ONLY ONE VeRsion.
get the point.
The quaran teaches falsehood….it violates the bible, and changes what the bible says.
IF THEY HAVE THE SAME MEANING AND CONTENT, WHY DO YOU NEED TWO VERSIONS THEN?
I do not need both.
I can look at one or the other and find the same information.
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since you are ignorant of the bible, you would not know this.
REALLY? NO DIFFERENCE? THEN EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES I LISTED ABOVE…
there are none……
fake info you copied
non existent bibles
SEE, NOW YOU EVEN DENY YOUR OTHER BIBLES… LADY, I DON’T THINK YOU CAN ERASE 2000 YEARS OF CHANGES AND MANIPULATION OF THE VERSES BY THE VATICAN… OK THEN, JUST ONE SIMPLE QUESTION,,, Which King James “EDITION” do you use, the 1611 or the 1629 or perhaps the 1769?
those are different publication dates.
same content
same content
same content….
OH REALLY? WHAT ABOUT THES FEW SAMPLES:
(1) 1611, Great “He” Bible, (Ruth 3:15, “and he went into the city.”)
(2) 1611, Great “She” Bible, (Ruth 3:15), “and she went into the city.”)
(3) 1611, “Judas” Bible, (Mat. 26:36, “Judas” for “Jesus.”)
(4) 1631, “Wicked” Bible, (Ex. 20:14, omits the “not.”)
(5) 1638, “Forgotten Sins” Bible, (Luke 7:47).
(6) 1641, “More Sea” Bible, (Rev. 21:1, “There was more sea.”)
(7) 1653, “Unrighteous” or Field’s Bible, (1 Cor. 6:9, “unrighteous shall inherit.”)
(8) 1702, “Printers” Bible, (Ps. 119:161, “Printers have persecuted.”)
(9) 1711, “Profit” Bible, (Isa. 57:12, “shall profit” instead of “shall not profit.”)
(10) 1716, “Sin On” Bible, (John 5:14, “sin on more” for “sin no more.”)
THERE ARE HUNDREDS MORE OF THESE… AND ALL THESE CHANGES WERE TRACKED AND RECORDED IN MODERN HISTORY
no they weren’t
make believe bibles.
I never heard of them…
all fake stuff by Islam
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besides, even if they did exist…..how do YOU know those quotes are true????
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YOU NEVER READ ANY OF THOSE BOOKS
YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT THEY EXIST
AND YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS WRITTEN IN ANY BIBLE>
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ALL YOU know is what Islam teaches you.
afiq
yes islam is growing in the world. we have satans spirit laying on the world so their is nothing we don’t expect. In Matt 13:36-42 Jesus gave us info that he will fire up what satan has planted when he returns. Jesus died on the cross and will return to the cross and not to a halv moon. so soon you will all burn up.
THE GROWTH IS THE TESTAMENT TO THE TRUTH OF ISLAM TEACHINGS.
JESUS WILL RETURN TO THE CROSS? THAT IS NEW TO ME… ANYWAY, MAYBE YOU CAN POINT THAT FROM YOUR BIBLE IF YOU SO FAMILIAR WITH IT… THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF REFERENCES THAT SAID HE WILL RETURN (EVEN THE QURAAN CONFIRMED THIS), BUT NOT ON THE CROSS… MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME UPDATES FROM SOME NEW BIBLES.
SPEAKING OF THE CROSS, SAY FOR ARGUMENT’S SAKE, I WOULD AGREE THAT HE WAS THE ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS… WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WORLD ON THE 3 DAYS HE WAS DEAD? I MEAN, GOD WAS DEAD FOR 3 DAYS, WHO MANAGED THE AFFAIRS OF THE UNIVERSE, LIKE THE ROTATION OF EARTH, THE MOON, THE STARS, ETC…
bible teaches that evil will increase in the end times.
just because something grows, does not make it good.
I can have a cancer or infection that grows…..and this is NOT good .
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Jesus will not return on the cross…..
you are ignorant of the bible.-
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Jesus died on the cross
The Father God was alive in heaven, and always has been alive.
MARIANNE, I THINK YOU ARE THE IGNORANT HERE OR ADAM,,, ADAM WAS THE ONE WHO QUOTED IN EARLIER POST THAT JESUS WILL RETURN TO THE CROSS, THAT IS WHY I CHALLENGED HIM TO SHOW ME PROOF? WHO IS IGNORANT HERE? YOU OR ME? DON;T CONCEDE TO ME THAT I KNOW YOUR SCRIPTURE MORE, PLEASE. THAT WOULD BE MOST EMBHARASING.
adam is wrong on that.
Jesus will return as king, not as a suffering servant.
SHOULD I THEN DESERVE AN APOLOGY FOR BEING CALLED IGNORANT FROM A GOD-FEARING LADY?
if you express ignorance, then I can identify it…to point it out to you.
do I deserve an apology for telling you the truth?
WELL I THOUGHT YOU ACCEPTED THAT ADAM WAS WRONG FOR THE STATEMENT I CORRECTED, THEN YOU CALLED ME IGNORANT FOR CORRECTING ADAM? WHAT TRUTH WAS THERE ON THAT OBVIOUS MISTAKE?
I was not calling you ignorant for your conversation with adam.
I was calling you ignorant for your conversation with me. when I explain something to you, you keep on arguing.
how many times do I have to explain that all the bibles, latin and king james, different publication dates all have the same content?
SAME CONTENT? YOU HAVE NOT EVEN EXPLAINED THESE… OK I WILL SHORTEN THEM TO GIVE YOUR CHANCE TO CLARIFY..
(1) 1611, Great “He” Bible, (Ruth 3:15, “and he went into the city.”)
(2) 1611, Great “She” Bible, (Ruth 3:15), “and she went into the city.”)
(3) 1611, “Judas” Bible, (Mat. 26:36, “Judas” for “Jesus.”)
this is all fantasy……..
no such stuff
go see if you can find these books.
I bet you can’t
I have something important to do now….I will be busy for the rest of the day
OK THEN,,, I WILL CONSIDER THAT AS YOUR DENIAL OF RECORDED HISTORY THAT EVEN NEW YORK TIMES HAD PUBLISH!
you argue about a bible you never read
REALLY? THEN WHO CORRECTED ADAM FOR MAKING A WRONG STATEMENT ON WHAT YOUR BIBLE REALLY SAID? WHICH YOU CONFIRMED!
afiq
I did not said Jesus will return on the cross only to the cross. some muslims say Jesus will come from heaven and land on a white mosque in damascus. Jesus will return too the Vatican.
Adam, people who can read are not so blind not to see what you had written before i corrected it…
I re-quote: afiq
yes islam is growing in the world. we have satans spirit laying on the world so their is nothing we don’t expect. In Matt 13:36-42 Jesus gave us info that he will fire up what satan has planted when he returns. Jesus died on the cross and “will return to the cross”.
This were your words i corrected earlier, and confirmed by Marianne as wrong interpretation of the bible.
Anyway, if you now deny what you had written, i cannot do anything about that.
Allah is my witness to what you had written….
return to the cross means to Christianity.
I accept Adam’s explanation as to what he meant
IF YOU HAVE BUT NOTICE,,, YOU ALREADY CONTRADICTED YOUR OWN DOCTRINES, FOR YOU SAID EARLIER JESUS IS THE COMFORTER (BY VIRTUE OF HIM BEING PART OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, RIGHT? REMEMBER THE 3in1 THING? IF THE 3 ARE 1, AND YOU SAID THE COMFORTER IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, THEN JESUS IS ALREADY AMONGST YOU NOW, SINCE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INSEPERABLE. SO THEN, WHAT RETURN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?
SEE THE TWIST? THAT IS HOW YOU ALL HAD TRIED IN VAIN FOR CENTURIES TO MANIPULATE THE VERSES… WAKE UP GUYS/GIRLS, THE WORLD THAT YOU NOW LIVE IN NO LONGER LIVE AND THINK LIKE THOSE IN THE TIMES OF KING JAMES…
bible verses are the same for thousands of years.
then quran corrupted them.
CORRECTION LADY, BIBLES. YOU STILL DON;T ADMIT THE CHANGES MADE BY MORTALS? THESE WERE RECORDED BY HISTORIANS.
imaginary historians
since you reject the atonement of jesus on the cross for your sins, according to the quran, then you cannot be saved, unless you change your heart.
THAT SPEAKS OF YOUR IGNORANCE OF QURAAN… BECAUSE QURAAN CLEARLY SAID THERE WILL BE “NO INTERCESSION IN THE HEREAFTER”… HE ALONE CAN JUDGE. NO MIDDLE MEN IN THERE….
SINCE YOU ALWAYS INSIST ON THAT, AND IF YOU REALLY KNOW THE EVENTS LEADING TO JESUS DEAD ON THE CROSS, FOR HOW LONG WAS JESUS DEAD BEFORE HE RETURN AND ASCENDED TO HEAVEN?
Mahamed,
Just reading your comments to marianne, you have lived up to every one’s expectations of Muslim attitudes. Your life is no “ministry” for that religion, and your attitude with people that disagree with you exemplifies the Lack of Love in your religion. The New Testament says that “GOD IS LOVE”. Not that he is just “loving”, but by definition he is Love. With that in mind, I can say that I Love you and do not wish ill upon you. Should you repent, I would welcome you with open arms as our father in heaven welcomes those who accept his Son. As with Stephen, I will pray the same prayer as he prayed which Mirrors the Prayer that Jesus prayed on the cross. “Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing”. In Stephens case, this led to the conversion of Saul who later became Paul the Apostle upon his conversion.
For two millenia now, Satan and his minions have been trying to stamp out the Gospel of Christ, and for two millenia, they have failed. Why? Because the more we are persecuted, the stronger our faith becomes, and the More our testimony reaches the world. In Islam’s so called conversion of thousands, they have martyred millions. Whether its the Coptics in north africa, The Chaldeans in Iraq, or the slaughter of Armenians by the Turks. Compared to the “conversions”, they are overwhelming. It is by the sword that islam seeks adherents, It is by the good news of the Gospel that Christianity gains followers. There is a saying in philosophy, that virtue under the barrel of a gun is not virtue at all, merely self preservation. Your religion is built on these sorts of converts, who continue their rule by coerced submission, which is not true submission at all.
Yes, there are many “tares growing among the Wheat” in our churches, who will reaped by your methods, as you yourself have been. But the wheat will be harvested when it is ripe. I freely choose to serve Yahweh, Not at the barrel of a gun, But as a reaction to his Love for me, a sinner. I in my sin am no different than you in your rebellion. He Sacrificed his Son for You as well as for me. He is the groom, who is waiting for his bride to realize and accept his love for them, He does not force us to love him, or else! He wants our willing submission and Love. This is what everyman yearns for in their marriages in this world, But forced submission is merely abuse.
A warning for you: The Muslim People are being used as pawns in a bigger battle by the Muslim brotherhood among others, Just for the reasons which I have stated above. Because they are easily provoked to vengence, and easily led to slaughter. I do not wish this upon you.
May God show his Love to you, and blind you with his brightness, as he did with Paul the Apostle of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I know what I have said seems harsh, but it has been said in love. whether you heed it or not is up to you. Peace be upon you.
David
Thank you David, but unfortunately, it is that very corrupted scriptures (whichever version it is) that i cannot subscribe after realizing all the alterations (by mere mortals), in their attempt to lead or mislead the world, as well as the idea of multiple Gods. I wish you luck for what you had subscribed to. As for me, it is enough that i profess to One God alone, without any association. My conviction is strong as before and, as i repeatedly mentioned above, no amount of words can change that. On the other hand, I wish to extend the invitation to you all, to accept One God and One God alone, without any associates. He begets not, nor He is begotten.
You have always portrayed Islam as violent. But failed to realize that In any religion, including yours, different opinion and interpretations will ultimately arise. Hence numerous sects would follow certain rules according to their interpretation. Some would follow extremism, whereas majority would not and decide to adopt to the world they now live. Take most GCC countries for example, UAE in particular, their Shariah and Sunnah (laws and practices) reflects much of what i subscribe to, a peaceful interpretation of the scriptures. There are many references of fighting in the Quraan and ALSO the STRICT CONDITIONS as well from other parts of the Quraan that must be followed to justify your act. One cannot justify an attack if he is already free to worship, is not being oppressed and is not under imminent attack (meaning he is already safe and free to practice Islam). The Islam that I came to know does not condone any attack if the above conditions were not violated. And there are those other sects who deviated even in day-day practice, such as those in Iran and part of Iraq, who followed a different interpretation and perform rituals that, in my opinion, may not conform to some teachings of Islam. But only Allah knows what ultimately is allowed or not, it is not for me to judge.
So as you see, I am a muslim who will not play a thy holy attitude knowing that we are all humans and we all must just try to practice our beliefs as best as we could to please our One and only One Creator. I do hope that, you can come to realize that by smearing the image of others, may not do you any good, and worst, it may even do you harm in the Hereafter. So why take the risk? Instead of instigating the rest of the word to hate one portion of the society, why not come to respect their belief, same way as most muslim countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, UAE, etc… allowed numerous Churches and Temples in between their Mosques… If the whole of Islam is really so violent and corrupted as you have tried to portrayed, it would have not grown from a single individual to 1.6billion now, surpassing the catholic population.
You have tried so hard to hear from me the violent act or words that you’ve expected from a Muslim, please do not attempt as I see no reason for becoming violent or rude when I can achieve better result if I humble myself and remove any sign of arrogance to every individual I meet, irrespective of their belief. The persistence and arguments I presented must have annoyed you or come as arrogance to you, but believe me, they are all intended to show my determination in my choice of Islam… Once again, may peace be with you David…
diffference between quran and bible
quran advocates violence.
bible advocates peace.
those muslims who are violent are obeying the quran
those christians who are violent are DISobeying the bible.
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN QURAAN AND BIBLES….
QURAAN IS PURE AND PROTECTED FROM MORTAL ALTERATIONS…
THERE ARE MANY EDITIONS / VERSIONS/ REVISIONS OF THE BIBLES, CANNOT EVEN SAY WHICH ONE IS CORRECT TO REFER SOMEONE’S FAITH, CORRUPTED FOR CENTURIES BY THE VATICAN…
quran was written by one man who could never prove it came from god.
He was never proven to be a prophet….he never predicted anything that came true.
the book is full of mistakes, and false teachings about Jesus
so quran is pure error
QURAAN WAS WRITTEN BY A PROPHET WHO HAD NOT LEARN IN LIFE HOW TO READ & WRITE… YES, YOU HEARD IT RIGHT. OUR PROPHET CANNOT READ AND WRITE, YET THE MIRACLE OF THE REVELATIONS HE HAD MASTERED BY HEART. RECITED THEM OBVIOUSLY FROM GOD. YOU SAID NO PREDICTIONS? WHAT ABOUT THE 9 YEARS OF PERSIAN ARMY’S DEFEAT? WHAT ABOUT THE 2 WATERS THAT NEVER CROSS EACH OTHER? THESE ARE JUST BUT FEW OF THE PREDICTIONS “IN THE MODERN HISTORY”, NOT EONS BACK….
AND THOSE REVELETIONS REMAINED FOR CENTURIES, AND FOR CENTURIES MORE TO COME, NOT A SINGLE LETTER OF IT WILL BE CHANGED AS WAS IN YOUR BIBLES…
YOU SAID MISTAKES IN QURAAN? OK THEN, HERE I NOW CHALLENGE YOU TO SHOW ME 1 GRAMMAR ERROR IN AL QURAAN, IF YOU CAN…. I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR DIRECT ANSWER ON THIS… SHOW ME 1 SINGLE GRAMMAR ERROR IN QURAAN.
I am not talking about grammar….
quran teaches false teachings about Jesus
I am going to bed now.
SEE, THE QURAAN IS PERFECT IN GRAMMAR, AS WELL AS IN ITS HISTORICAL REVELATIONS. IT IS YOUR BIBLE THAT IS CORRUPTED EVEN WITH GRAMMAR ERRORS, WHERE “SHE” CAN BECOME “HE” IN ONE VERSION, AND “JUDAS” CAN BECOME “JESUS” ON ONE. A WORD COMING FROM GOD WILL NOT HAVE A SINGLE GRAMMAR ERROR IN IT.
untrue, you are quoting fake sources……you are deceived…. no such “versions” exist…this are fanatasy made up by muslims to discredit the bible… you do not want to know the truth so you chase after lies.
your persistence with believing lies and repeating false accusations suggests a demonic influence, you will need to be delivered before anyone can help you. But since you reject the son of God, you cannot be delivered until you repent and change.
i see, what about the latest ash-wednesday version of bible that presents some changes, like from “the virgin” to “the young woman”? If it is God’s word, why change it?
Mohamed
There was nothing new in your arguments that we have not already dealt with on this site. Muslims visit quite often here trying to sell us on the same concepts. I am Just saying your efforts are fruitless.
I present the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them, which many do not like to hear, and respond with vengence. Most just leave frustrated. One thing I know though, is come judgement day, they cannot say they have never heard the Gospel. It is their choice, and I cannot argue you into making the choice, as this would not be a genuine conversion by what I said above.
Good bye and Shalom
PRECISELY MR.DAVID,,, IT IS MY CHOICE AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. AND IT IS A GENUINE CONVERSION FROM A RELIGION THAT ADVOCATES ASSOCIATES TO THE ONE GOD, TO A RELIGION WHO ONLY SEE ONE GOD AS ONE GOD ALONE….
reposted…..
IF YOU HAVE BUT NOTICE,,, YOU ALREADY CONTRADICTED YOUR OWN DOCTRINES, FOR YOU SAID EARLIER JESUS IS THE COMFORTER (BY VIRTUE OF HIM BEING PART OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, RIGHT? REMEMBER THE 3in1 THING? IF THE 3 ARE 1, AND YOU SAID THE COMFORTER IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, THEN JESUS IS ALREADY AMONGST YOU NOW, SINCE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INSEPERABLE. SO THEN, WHAT RETURN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?
reposted for more room
That is the Beauty of Mathematics Mohamed. Not only does 1x1x1=1, 1/1/1=1. When you think about God you need to stop limiting him to human understanding. So yes God is with us, The Holy Spirit, Jesus Is God, “The Word made flesh”, and God the Father rules the heavenlies. God is Omnipresent, Omnicient, and all powerful. If you had any catholic education whatsoever, you would know this. Please stop limiting God to just one Sphere of influence. If He only exists in the heavenly realm and cannot reveal himself, and dwell in his creation, then he is not God.
The concept of omniprescence is next to impossible for humans to comprehend. You will find this throughout the OT, especially in the psalms and Prophets. The Spirit of the Lord rested with Moses,David, Solomon, Elijah, The prophets of the OT. Yet God was “dwelling in the temple/tabernacle of the Israelites, and he was ruling in the heavens.
DAVID, I THOUGHT MARIANNE ALREADY ADMONISHED YOU EARLIER FOR USING MATH IN DESCRIBING GOD? WHICH YOU LATER APOLOGIXE, LEST YOU FORGOT, RE-POSTED BELOW:
I think using numbers to describe God is a useless method.
If we want to understand God, we only need to read the words of Jesus, who taught us about the Father in heaven.
Marianne said this on December 16, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
Sorry marianne
I am done here, I had to make the point I made to show his motives.
hello all said this on December 16, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Reply
RESERVE THE MATHEMATICS TO ME SINCE I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM.
SO NOT A SINGLE LETTER WAS CHANGED? BECAUSE THAT IS A MORTAL SIN ACCORDING TO MATEO… BEWARE.
Quran changed many things in the bible……big sin
HOW CAN QURAAN CHANGE FROM SOMETHING IT DID NOT EVEN CONSIDERED AS SCRIPTURE, BUT RATHER A MERE RETHORIC OF VATICAN….
bible did not change.
if quran denies the bible, then it is false.
KINGS JAMES VERSION, AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION, AMPLIFIED BIBLE, BIBLE OF THE MORMONS, BISHOPS BIBLE, COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE, DARBY BIBLE…. ACTUALLY I CAN FILL THIS PAGE FOR HUNDRED MORE VERSIONS… SO NO CHANGE? WHY NOT THROW ALL THE REST AND JUST USE ONE?
many versions of quranic translations…..because one translation of quran is by one writer and another translation is by another writer;.
PRECISELY. THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY INTENDED FOR THE CONVERTS TO EASILY UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL MEANING OF IT. ONCE THEY CONVERTED, THEY ONLY HOLD ON THE ARABIC AND ORIGINAL FORM, PURE FOR MILENNIA TO COME…. AND MEMORIZE IT ALL BY HEART AND SOUL.
oh….so it is ok for you to have different versions…..you have changed the quran…..!!!. by different men!!
quran is not pure…it is changed by man
SO BE IT, AS FOR ME, QURAAN REMAINED AS SAME AS ITS ORIGINAL ARABIC FORM WHICH A CONVERT IS OBLIGE TO READ FROM THE MOMENT HE LEARNED THE ARABIC… DO YOU HAVE IDEA HOW MUCH DETERMINATION AND TIME IS NEEDED FOR THAT? IT IS A LIFETIME COMITTMENT! WE ALL ULTIMATELY LEARNED TO READ AND WRITE, AND RECITE FROM THE PURE TEXT OF THE ARABIC FORM, THE TRANSLATIONS ARE NOT EVEN CALLED AS QURAAN BY US, THEY ARE MERE TRANSLATIONS, NOT QURAAN. THERE IS ONLY ONE QURAAN AS THERE IS ONE GOD ALONE.
and there is only one bible, one content, and one meaning.
AND WHICH PARTICULAR BIBLE VERSION IS THAT ONE BIBLE YOU ARE SAYING?
YOU SAID YOU ONLY HAVE ONE BIBLE, WHICH ONE?
there is only one bible….latin and king james are the same content…different publishers
HA HA HA, SO NOW LATIN + KINGS JAMES = 1, LOL…. OOPS, WHICH KING’S JAMES EDITION?
it is all the same bible…..
FOR YOU INFORMATION, THERE WERE ACTUALLY FRENCH AND SPANISH VERSIONS… LEST YOU FORGOT… AND A FEW HUNDRED MORE.
even the quran can be found in different languages/
there is only one bible, one meaning and one content……you believe lies.
those are translations to speed up study worldwide due to huge demand, they are not the Quraan… the moment you become a Muslim, you read, study and recite from the Arabic Quraan, un-altered for millenia to come.
bible has translations to speed up study of bible too due to huge demand…..
besides your comment makes no sense..they are either the quran or they aren’t….if they aren’t, then they are not speeding up the study of the quran….they are fake quran
VULGATE BIBLE, LUTHER BIBLE, ETC
all the same content, and same meaning.
how many times do I need to tell you this before you understand?
Do you have a comprehension problem? I must have told you about 20 times by now.
i will repeat until you come to senses and admit that there were changes before, same as you admitted that there are now changes in the ash-wednesday version of the bible….
there is no ash wednesday bible
See, below you just ackowledge and defended the change from “the virgin” to “the young woman”, NOW YOU SEEMS TO BE IN COMPLETE DENIAL ABOUT THE ASH-WEDNESDAY BIBLE… NO MATTER HOW YOU CALLED IT.
reposted for space….by mohamed
i see, what about the latest ash-wednesday version of bible that presents some changes, like from “the virgin” to “the young woman”? If it is God’s word, why change it?
a virgin is a young woman…..the hebrew word is almah
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5959&t=KJV
same meaning
The point is, there are changes made now, and there were changes made for the last 2000 years… why? You all forgotten the strict instruction in mateo, not to change even a single letter?
bible has not changed….only quran has changed bible
How can you tell that, you probably cannot even read arabic, the language of the Quraan. The translations you have probably read are made by mortals and we dont even call them Quraan, only translations… Can you point any change in the Arabic Quraan? That is my challenge to you…
i have the same criticism of quran that you have about bible about translation.
YOU ARE AVOIDING THE TOPIC AND CANNOT PRESENT ANY PROOF ON CHANGES MADE TO THE ARABIC QURAAN… I TAKE THAT AS A NEGATIVE ANSWER,,, BECAUSE ACTUALLY THERE IS NONE, THE QURAAN WILL REMAIN UN-ALTERED FOR MILLENIA TO COME.
the Quran has false teachings……that is why it is rejected.
it rejects jesus as the son of God, denies he ever died, and who he said he was
truth is MORE than grammar
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if I tell you a lie, but use perfect grammar, does that make it true?
A young woman, may not necessarily a virgin either, was the the reason for the change?
the two mean the same thing, in this time and culture.
THEREFORE, MARY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A VIRGIN, RIGHT?
mary was a virgin….that is why the birth is miraculous……..in her time, virgin and young woman meant same thing.
THEN WHY CHANGE THE WORD VIRGIN IN THE LATEST SCRIPTURE NOW?
it means the same thing…..virgin and young woman…..young woman is about 12 years old in hebrew culture….so in that time, she was a virgin..since this is before marriage age.
IF SAME MEANING, THEN THERE IS NO NEED FOR CHANGE, RIGHT?
it is NOT a change….both virgin and young woman mean the same thing….and are BOTH correct translations for the word almah
IF WRITING FROM “THE VIRGIN” TO “THE YOUNG WOMAN” IS NOT A CHANGE? THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? HALLUCINATION?
I call that…..you are not smart to understand simple language.
there are 2 words for garment worn on legs.
1. slacks
2. pants.
they mean the same thing.
so the language permits different words that have the same meaning
Afiq
We that have love in us just want to take one womans virigin and live with her the rest of our llifes. Quran says it waits 72 virigins in each room and in 72 rooms if you commit evil acts. People with love don´t want to have blood bath like that only evil people wants to do such things.
REALLY? YOU CHRISTIAN SO CLEAN? THEN WHO ARE THE MORMONS?
we are to live a pure life….so yes, clean living is the right way……
Mormons:
http://mormon.org/
The Nigerian Celestial Church of Christ allows clergy and laymen to keep multiple wives, and the Lutheran Church of Liberia began allowing plural marriage in the 1970s.
that is sin in christianity…..
islam has this sin also…multiple wives to satisfy lust of men
Mormons are not Christians. They just call them Christians!
Afiq
I don´t like mormons marry several wifes but I say they are not Christians!
OK, LET’S ASSUME THAT IS THE CASE. WHAT ABOUT YOU? IF YOU DON;T PRACTICE POLYGAMY NOW, WHICH WAS PRACTICED AND ALLOWED BY YOUR FOREFATHERS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT? SAMUEL’S FATHER HAD TWO WIVES, HANNAH AND PENNINAH, RIGHT?
THAT IS ALL WRITTEN IN YOUR SCRIPTURES AND A LOT MORE…
At that time poeple wanted big families. We was not so many people on earth then. But christianity don´t accept polygamy.
Afiq You say the Quran has never changed.
My mother is a muslim and when I have visited her country almost no one understands the prayers from the mosque because they are in arabic. Is that good that no one understands whats been said?????
Adam, i thought you said earlier you are born from Atheist family? Why the change now? And it is probably you are the only one who don;t understand arabic?
Nice attempt of denial… what about the:
Corporation of the Fundamentalist Church?
Apostolic United Brethren?
Latter-day Church of Christ?
The Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly?
The True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days?
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
The Church of Jesus Christ in Zion-originating from Independence, Missouri?
THERE ARE ACTUALLY A LOT MORE, CANNOT EVEN FIT IN THIS PAGE… THESE ARE THE PURITAN PEOPLE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?
what about shia and sunni?
there are 73 different types of Muslims.
some of these major groups are
sunni
shia
bahi
sufi
mirzai
wahabi
Alawites
and many other small Muslim groups which have not being recognized world wide
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maybe they all have different versions of Quran
WHAT ABOUT THEM? THEY ALL PRACTICE POLYGAMY OPENLY, AS ALLOWED IN OUR RELIGION. WHEREAS IN YOUR RELIGION IT IS FORBIDDEN, YET PRACTICED BY THOSE SECTS I STATED ABOVE… WOULDN’T YOU CALL THAT HYPOCRISY?
cults are not christians
Islam also allows sex outside of marriage. it is not haram.
Afiq
You don´t remember what I said. My mother is a muslim. My mothers husband is an ateist and I have lived in a atheistic society (Sweden).
I asked the people what they say when they pray from the mosques but all answered we don´t understand arabic. They could only translate som few words. Is that good?
Afiq
I´m an Ortodox Christian and we don´t accept thoose churches that you mention. Only the Ortodox and Catholic Church.
YOU ALL SUBSCRIBE TO SAME BIBLE RIGHT? WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE THEN?
difference is in how much people OBEY the same bible.
some obey a little…and they are in sin..
some obey completely…and they are pure.
OK THEN, RIGHTLY ACKNOLEDGE, AS I ALSO SAID BEFORE… WE ARE ALL HUMANS AND LET AN ERRING CHRISTIAN BE RESPOSIBLE FOR HIS ERR, AND SO DOES AN ERRING MUSLIM… THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, I NEVER PLAY THAT THY HOLY ATTITUDE.
When i have visited my mothers country I have seen so much shit from Islam. Imams have raped their own sons wit hmore. They defend them selfes that their so called prophet was not better.
Imams imitate Muhammed, who had multiple wives, and had sex with a child. Rape is acceptable.
THE PROPHET (PBUH) MARRIAGE TO AISHA (PBUH) IS AN ARAB TRADITION THAT I DON;T EXPECT THE WEST TO ACCEPT, BECAUSE YOU ARE SO CLEAN AS YOU BEEN TRYING TO PORTRAY… YET BEHIND THE DOORS ALLOWING MULTIPLE WIVES FOR SECTS I STATED ABOVE?
arab tradition of rape of children…
if your prophet was not pure, then the quran is not pure.
if muhammed knew the real god, he would not do such a horrible thing
not all people in the west are christians
Muslims are not united either. Some say Jesus will come back as a muslim some muslims say Jesus will not come back.
HAVEN’T I ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT? In any religion, including yours, different opinion and interpretations will ultimately arise. Hence numerous sects would follow certain rules according to their interpretation. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BET YOU AND ME IS, I NEVER PLAYED A THY HOLY ATTITUDE (I MEAN I AM NOT A HYPOCRATE)… WHEREAS YOU PLAY THAT THY HOLY LOOK WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE OTHER SECTS AROUND YOU…
The difference between you and me is that I folllow love and you evilness!
as usual, that thy holy look… Let the One God then be our Judge in the Hereafter…
I have no right to judge you according to the NT so let God judge us in the end!
That is well said and it is the word i have been waiting from you if you so portray yourself as god-fearing….
rather than outright negative accusations…
It is difference between polygamy and taking over 5000 virigins for killing someone that don´t want to be a muslim.
have a nice time
I am going back to bed.
Marianne
Go to sleep! i can take over if you want 🙂
🙂
Lesson learned here today is, DO NOT JUDGE thy neighbor, because only the One God has that right over His creatures…
We are not judging you. We are only telling you that you left God.
May you all find your way to Paradise according to your belief and interpretation of the scriptures… May peace be with you all.. Adam, David, Marianne and Marie Jane… with this, I rest my case and it has been a pleasure debating the most important part of our beliefs with you all…. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IN PERSONALLY.
PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY…
WA ‘ALAYKUM SALAM…
salam is not always peace
Shalom alechem!
quran not word of god,, versions change with man
Wow long night guys! Where is “leatherneck” when you need him?
Sleep well,
Leatherneck has been at work. Plus, one can not argue with Muslims. They are brain washed to not read for themselves about Islam.
The only Apostates in Islam are the ones not following Muhammad who raped, and murdered.
Good to hear from you, sorry to bug you. I was referring to the long night that Marianne had. This is “dru” in case you did not know.
Get back to work! And stop referring to yourself in the third person.
I tried very hard to show the soft side of Islam, but it seems the never-ending RAPE and MURDERER accusations are too much to shallow… What rape you are talking about?
afiq
In sweden a 21 year old soccer star had sex with a 14 year old girl and she wanted to have sex with him. no he is behind bars because he is accused of rape because she was under 15 years and this is the limit in sweden. this girl looks like 18 and she wanted to have sex with him. You must understand to have sex with a child even if she says yes it is rape. aisha was 9 and from Judaism we have inherited the age 12 for a girl as a adult. So Aisha was a child = rape. If you don’t understand this then I don’t have more to say to you because you will not understand.
Adam, I can understand your tendency to accuse people of rape, because according to a 2009 European Union study, Sweden has one of the highest rates of reported rape in Europe. Is you tactic now to point at others so they don’t look at you>
afiq
in sweden we have less than 5 % muslims but 50 % of the rapes comes from muslims. muslims are hated of many people here.
i doubt that is true, because it is the same body that said, it is because of “deeply rooted patriarchal gender norms”… DEEP ROOTED!
WHY IS YOUR SEX EDUCATION THEN STARTED AT AGE 7? AND APPLIED TO 100% OF SWEDISH SCHOOL? WHY NOT DEPORT THE 5% MUSLIMS THERE TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS YOU NOW BLAME THEM? ISN’T THAT THE REPORT IS TRUE? DEEP ROOTED IN YOUR BLOOD?
IN ISLAM THE MEASURE OF ADULTHOOD IS THE ABILITY OF THE WOMAN TO BORN A CHILD (ADOLESCENCE)… IT IS WELL RECORDED HISTORY THAT AISHA WAS BETWEEN 9 TO 12 WHEN SHE REACH ADOLESCENCE… SO HOW CAN YOU CONSIDER THAT AS RAPE?
IF 15YRS IS YOUR LIMIT FOR RAPE, AND IT IS ESTABLISHED FACT THAT MARY WAS BELOW 15 WHEN SHE CONCEIVED, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER WHO BORN UNTO MARY THE SON OF GOD JESUS,,,, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER IS THE BIGGEST RAPIST IN THE UNIVERSE….
first, she has to consent, and she never did…she was just told what to do….
second, a 9 year old is a child…..and that is her age when she was raped. ‘
mohammed
they are really not accusations. situations occur constantly in the reported news, from various countries. I get a weekly newsletter, and there is always a long list of news stories of those who get persecuted or killed.
While I believe there are muslims with good hearts, as I have some for friends, the majority appear to either be harsh in their views, or they refuse to act to stop the harm created by the others.
it’s not really good heart or bad, it is the struggle that we subscribe to, which you view as violent because you only look from your side… If you say you do not subscribe or support fighting, WHY DID AMERICA supported the muslims against Russia, that is fighting… so you help the muslims on their struggle… but that is still fighting – VIOLENT.. right? why you supported it?
afiq
we just want to tell you that muslims don’t have respect for women and children. neither did your so called leader had this and not your muslims brothers either.
SO WHEN USA USE DRONES TO KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN IN PAKISTAN (THESE WERE ADMITTED BY US ARMY), YOU DONT CALL THAT CRUELTY TO CHILDREN…. OR WHEN A LUNATIC GOES INTO RAMPAGE TO KILL INNOCENT ELEM SCHOOL KIDS, THAT IS YOUR LOVE TO THESE KIDS YOU ARE TELLING?
go talk to our muslim president….he gave the orders
Mohamed,
Yes we live in a wicked world, and the Imams and Mahdi’s of Islam will only increase that wickedness, murder and death, and rape. If you do not believe me look at egypt, Syria, etc.
There truly is only one hope for this world and that is Jesus, The King of Kings and Lord of lords, The almighty.
I do not think that any Christian believes that the U.S. is without fault. Wickedness abounds here as well. Only God will restore what man has destroyed. Regarding innocents killed by the U.S., If those muslims did not use them as human shields then they would not be killed, so both sides are to blame. War is hell!
WHEN ISLAEL USE MISSILES TO KILL INSIDE PALESTINE,,, 100 IN 1 WEEK… THAT IS NOT VIOLENCE? THREE YEARS BACK, THEY KILLED 1,500 IN 3 WEEKS, THAT IS NOT VIOLENCE?
Israel never attacks before the animails hits them. they are giving back to tell them they will not tolerate what the animals are doing. Idf stands for defense not attack.
SEE, NOW YOU EVEN JUSTIFY THE KILLINGS!!! I THOUGHT YOU ALL JUST MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE NOT VIOLENT?
WHAT YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU, GIVE THE RIGHT WHEN SOMEONE SLAP YOUR LEFT?
HYPOCRATES!!!
YOU TALK WITH PERFUMED MOUTH ON ONE SIDE OF YOUR FACE, THEN SPIT FIRE ON THE OTHER!!! YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE AUDIENCE FROM ME WHO TRIED TO BUILD THE GAP…
you got the numbers wrong…over 1058 rockets came from GAza into Israel…..so Israel shoots back..
Gaza’s fault
that is just november
NOW IT IS YOU AND BROTHER ADAM JUST JUSTIFIED THE KILLINGS OF 103 PALESTINIANS!!! AND I THOUGHT YOU DO NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE?
palestinians are violent savages that attack ISrael constantly……if they attack, they deserve to be fought against.
palestinians are crazy evil people.
God is going to destroy them all.
afiq
I have never supported war and killing.
YOU MOUTH DENOUNCE WAR AND KILLING, BUT YOUR GUNS ARE ALL OVER THE WORLD….
Islam was not on this earth then we would have produced food instead of guns. but we must hold satan back and one way is through guns. but I havent supportet one war or killings. now I had enough of you.
YOUR BROTHER ADAM JUST JUSTIFIED THE KILLINGS OF 103 PALESTINIANS!!!
only about 50% of the west is christian…..the nonchristians start wars
NOT ONLY YOU ARE HYPOCRATE, YOU ARE ALSO IN BIG DENIAL!!! SUCH MY LOST OF RESPECT!!! NOW IT EVEN GIVES ME MORE SATISFACTION FOR CHOOSING ISLAM!!!
you are blind .
AT LEAST I AM NOT HYPOCRATE….
You have not read the correct history of the world where it is written Muhammad radided caravans, murdered, took slaves, and raped them. Plus, Muhammad married a child of six, and raped her at nine.
Islam is the greatest lie Lucifer has given to the world, and it is easy to follow as it tugs on the human desires of this world like hate, and violence.
Allah Akbar, or my god is greatest. Greatest of what? Greatest of all other gods of the kaabba. The Kaabba tha Abraham never built, and the Kaabba tha houses the black stone that takes away sins.
Allah, or my god is known through out history as the god Sin, or the moon god, or Tammuz. Part of the false Trinity.
Shout out to Dru.
IF 15YRS IS YOUR LIMIT FOR RAPE, AND IT IS ESTABLISHED FACT THAT MARY WAS BELOW 15 WHEN SHE CONCEIVED, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER WHO BORN UNTO MARY THE SON OF GOD JESUS,,,, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER IS THE BIGGEST RAPIST IN THE UNIVERSE….
IF 15YRS IS YOUR LIMIT FOR RAPE, AND IT IS ESTABLISHED FACT THAT MARY WAS BELOW 15 WHEN SHE CONCEIVED, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER WHO BORN UNTO MARY THE SON OF GOD JESUS,,,, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER IS THE BIGGEST RAPIST IN THE UNIVERSE….
I think you are brain washed. 15 years is the limit in sweden but I already told you that from Judaism we inheritet the age 12. back 2000 years ago it was 12 years. And I hope you don’t say a word more about my God.
NOW YOU SEE THE HYPOCRICY AND DOUBLE-STANDAR, AND THE CONTRADICTIONS? 12 IS OK, BUT 14 IS NOT? SO WHY DID YOU PUNISHED THE SOCCER STAR THEN?
WHEN I MENTIONED, IF 15YRS IS YOUR LIMIT FOR RAPE, AND IT IS ESTABLISHED FACT THAT MARY WAS BELOW 15 WHEN SHE CONCEIVED, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER WHO BORN UNTO MARY THE SON OF GOD JESUS,,,, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER IS THE BIGGEST RAPIST IN THE UNIVERSE….
I PUT TO TEST YOUR OWN STATEMENT AND STARDARD, WHICH YOU CANNOT SUPPORT IN LOGICAL ARGUMENT? 15YRS IS 15YRS, 5,000,000 YEARS AGO OR LESS…
You are committing blasphemy.
God the Father does not rape.
no union is without consent.
Mary consented to be overshadowed by the holy spirit.
STILL, MARY WAS BELOW 15 WHEN SHE CONCEIVED, THEN YOUR GOD THE FATHER WHO BORN UNTO MARY THE SON OF GOD JESUS,,,, AND SEX BY CONSENT BY A MINOR IS STILL STATUTORY RAPE!!!
Muslims believe in the virgin birth…so you disagree with Islam also?
If you keep committing blasphemy , I will block you from this site.
God the Father, whom you claim is allah, does not commit rape.
ALLAH IS ALLAH, HE DOES NOT RAPE! QURAAN NEVER SAID IT IS THE FATHER WHO BORN CHILD UNTO THE VIRGIN MARY, HE JUST SAID, BE AND IT BECOME… IT IS YOU THAT SAID THE FATHER BORN CHILD (FROM A MINOR),,, THAT IS STATUTORY RAPE!
we never claimed God raped Mary, or had sex with her.
that is your claim to adam
I am getting ready to block you, if you keep claiming God raped mary
the angel came to mary, and told her, and she agreed,
then by a miracle, she was pregnant……
YOU SAID YOUR GOD HOLY SPIRIT IS 3IN1 WITH THE GOD THE FATHER? EVEN IF IT IS THE GOD THE SPIRIT WHO DID IT, THEN YOU HAVE ALSO A GOD HOLY SPIRIT WHO RAPE A VIRGIN WHO WAS BELOW AGE OF 15?
i did not say that.
I said the Father God is God, and Jesus is his son.
You do not understand holiness, so you do not understand the power and purity of the holy spirit.
12 was ok 2000 years ago. But not now. Is this hard to understand.
NEVER MIND, IN TODAY’S STANDARD THAT IS STILL A RAPE!!!
we in the western world have more respect for children then long time ago. Jesus preached love. regarding your word about my God. All I have to say you is see you on the other side. I will take care of you their.
Mohamed,
Israel has a policy of replying to the attacks of the palestinians with strength. It has worked to preserve the nation for these past 65 years. If I were to come shoot rockets into your country without provokation, then you would also respond similarly. The Syrians, the Egyptians and the Jordanians Lost the wars in 1967/1973. Israel has conceded much of the land to the palestinians that she won in those wars in the hopes of peace. What is the response from the Palestinians? Rockets, rhetoric, and terrorist attacks. They do not want peace! They are the forces of Chaos, not the IDF. You are merely spewing out the same lies that the palestinians do.
You are falling victim to that same deception that the people that are above the leadership of the Muslim brotherhood want your people to succumb to. The Muslim Brotherhood leaders that now in power are merely pawns sent to rile the masses in the countries surrounding Israel to strike Israel. The Goal is mutual destruction of Israel and the Muslim world, and religion. Un wittingly YOU are leading your own religion to slaughter. It is you that needs to wake up and use your brains. The more your people hate Israel, the more likely they are to be killed. Of course, that is your choice, but don’t say I did not warn you.
The Prophet Daniel says that the treasures of Egypt, Lybia and “cush” will be controlled by this King that is to come. Well look where the muslim brotherhood has siezed control. Egypt, Lybia, Tunisia, and they are working on Syria. Ask yourself, ‘Who is controlling those leaders?’ They are merely Pawns. It is after this war that “Michael” the great prince will arise to protect the Children of Israel. If you are fighting against this archangel, then you will lose. Only Edom, Moab, and the main part of the Ammonites will be spared in this war. Those regions are modern day Jordan.
We are at the doorstep of this war. There is no Pacifism in these countries, only chaos. This is what leads to war. The “pascifists” are ignorantly being used to promote world war 3, That includes you. Good luck with that!
Jordan will not be spared. You interpret the Bibel wrong.
that is from Daniel 11: 35-45, where it says edom, moab, and the ammonites will be spared in that particular battle. Those are modern day Jordanian lands.
I thought that part of the Bibel is already fullfilled. maybe I am wrong or you are wrong.
The last part of Daniel 11, has not been fulfilled, according to many theologians. Much of Daniel 11 has been though.
Verse 35 is the transition to the “time of the end”.
That little section from 36-45 is full of little treasures of insight into what we are facing now.
Look up the “book of Apadno” by Albert pike. Apadno is the word Translated as “palaces” in the KJV (verse 45). Also the word “foreign or Strange god” in verse 39 has as one of its definitions “alien”. (whatever that means?)
Then there is the word “fortresses” in verse 38, which ties this prophecy to the prophecy regarding Damascus found in Isaiah 17. Isaiah 17:9 uses this same word “ma’owz” referring to “strong cities”.
these are prophecies for the days we are living in, now. The destruction of damascus is imminent. Just read the news.
dear hello al (dru), Adam, and Leatherneck
You do not have to respond to Mohamed Afiq.
I am blocking him from this page due to repeated comments of blasphemy after I warned him to stop
Accusing God of raping Mary is outrageous.
He tries to return under a different email, but I block him again, and will delete his comment as spam.
I came across this thread and ebate while searching for information as to whether Muhammad was prophesied by Jesus, The Old Testament or any other scripture.
Some time ago I became a Deist as a result of all the mis- and dis-information. All my life I have listened to these debates, and I reached an inner conclusion that God exists, and that is where my belief system stops.
However, I am a Christian and Jewish empahthiser and sympathiser. I see Islam as a belief system with very weak arguments, driven by zealots who undermine its core beliefs, who promote hatred, death, detruction, theft and rape as the norm in order to conquer the world.
Islam will enslave us all to a life of misery and slavery, and if there is a Heaven it will damn us all for misplacing our trust in One God in preference for a godless and false religion.
Should Islam be given free reign to “promote” itself by the force to which it often succumbs (e.g. slaying of infidels) I forsee a dark age to which there will be no end. If you have a belief that the there is indeed an anti-christ or satan, then you should liken Islam’s zealots to the dark angels of satan.
As a Deist I see Islam’s dark forces as biggoted religious terrorists, who are often driven by the hidden agendas and political will of hidden politcal and industrial groups who, since the world economy is cahnging quickly and radically, wish to enslave and impoverish. There is no religion better placed to make this happen than Islam.
Marianne, I see your hopes and visions, I hear your arguments, and I have to say your views are ones which inspire me and give me hope for the future of the world we all share.
dear mark
thank you for joining in the discussion. I agree with you about Islam.
But there is always hope, as long as we see that god is still on his throne, and has a plan for all of us. He predicted all that we see now, so we would know his word was true, and see the difference between good and evil.
Since he is Truth, Love, Strength, Power, and Goodness itself, he will prevail in the end.
If you take the Bible literally and look at the prophecies in the Old Testament you would not accept Jesus as the Messiah.
The Old Testament says he would come from an unknown place, that Elijah would return before the Messiah, He would live forever, that His name would be Emmanuel, not Jesus, He would be from the lineage of David (Joseph was but he is not Jesus’ father), He would sit on the throne of David and re-establish the glory of the Jews, and He was to carry a sword and defeat the enemies of God’s chosen people.
So if you believe in Jesus as the Messiah, you would have to take these prophecies as having a spiritual meaning and you must consider the prophecies for the end times in the same manner and not nit-pick about the semantics.
Peace Be upon you all
I am a Muslim and I would like to prove from your own book “THE HOLY BIBLE” that there are mistakes and fabrications are made in the name of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him). What ever I quote, I will DIRECTLY QUOTE from the bible to give you evidence and proof that not all of your faith is what you think.
JESUS NEVER CLAIM TO BE SON OF GOD:
First of all Prophet Jesus never claimed to be the “The Son Of God” whenever he refers himself to be son of God he also refers to the general public with the words CHILDREN OF GOD. This terminology has been used everywhere in the old testement. Which proves that it does not mean that God is our father, Literally. It just simply means that we have a CREATOR and we are his CREATION . The words “children of God, and son of God are words only to describe your relationship with God.
Now let me explain the blessed name of the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him). Jesus in Hebrew is “Isus” and the word Christ comes from the word Messiah, or “the Anointed One”. The right definition of the word christ from hebrew is Messiah. which was the title of Prophet Jesus. Which later got to be confused with His attribute. He definetely was Holy but not in the context of son and father but a spiritual holines and closeseness to the Lord. The same closeness that you feel when you pray to Prophet Jesus. That does not mean that he is Your Biological Father.
Now I have a QUESTION FOR ALL THE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS IS TO ASK YOUSELF.
If you all say that Jesus is God and son of God. “That means that God and Jesus are equal Because God and Jesus and the holy spirit is One. if that is the case then my question to all of you is if all these entities are same then they cannot be superior or inferior to each other. In a layman Language if we say that carbon is made up of One carbon atom and 2 oxygen atom. Combing these 3 elements makes up oxygen. if these 3 atoms make carbon then these three are not superior of inferior from each other. Their end result is 1 CARBON COMPOUND. However in bible Jesus repeatedly says that God and Jesus are not equal and God is greater then Jesus himself. Lets examine some of the quotes
“If I bring glory to myself, my glory is nothing. My Father is the one who gives me Glory, and you say that he is Your God“(john 8:84)
“What I teach dosent come from but from the one who sent me“(john 7:17)
“No one knows when that day or hour will come. Even the angel in Heaven and the son do not know.“(Mark 13:32)
Here again surrenders to the will of God. He does not have the knowledge of the last Hour. This belief is exactly the same in Islam, only Allah knows when the hour is no one else.
“This is eternal life: to know you THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU SENT“ (john 17:3)
“IF you Loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the father, Because the father is Greater that I am“ (john 17:28)
“A servant is not greater han his master“(john 15:20)
here all the confusions should be gone Prophet Jesus himself is claiming TO BE SERVANT OF GOD, AND NOT HIS SON. And a son can never be a SERVANT.
Prophet Jesus never claimed to be the son of God however he claims many time to be inferior to God, to be at the mercy of him. He was dependent upon His Knowledge. It is God who taught Jesus and gave him Healing power. If you say that GOD Jesus an Holy spirit are one. Then this is illogical, because that means that GOD taught himself, when he taught to Jesus. You see this Does not add Up.
However on the Other hand From Adam to Muhammad the only view was and is that God is One. All of the Old testament gives proof of one God.
“ Who gave humans their mouths. Who makes humans unable to talk or hear. It is I, the Lord. Now go and I will help you speak and will teach you what to say“ (exodus 4:11, 4,12)
This clearly indicates that BIBLE points to the existence of ONE GOD and not multiple God. God says in the bible “How can you believewhen you accept each others praise and dont look for praise that comes from the only God´“(john 5:44)
i dont have time to write anymore but if any objections I will reply. and try to find truth for your self IT IS WORTH IT.
pEACE BE ON YOU ALL
abd
agreed. He said the Father was God.
However, he also referred to himself as God’s son. there are verses in the book of John to support this.
example: John 8:38
“I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[a] your father.”
Agreed, as i explained in my passage he refer himself to be son of God but he also refers us to CHILDREN OF GOD. That dosent mean that GOD is my father. this term was used to Portray special love and define the spiritual connection. i am sure you would agree that if jesus refers to us as children of God then we are all his children and jesus is no special child.
Jesus is speaking as one who has been WITH the Father in heaven..
You are getting me at a bad time. getting ready for bed here.
you have legitimate questions, so we should continue this.
” I will SEVERLY PUNISH all the GODS of Egypt, beacuse I am the Lord” (exodus 12:12)
Here God has reaffirm that he will not tolerate Polytheism Because he is the One supreme Being and Only He is worthy of worship.
Now lets examine what Jesus says,
” I am an Man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. But now you want to Kill me” (john 8:40)
Lets examine this phrase. There are couple of points to consider. Here Jesus (phuh) is reaffirming the fact that he is merely a man. But a man who has a special connection to the Lord. The phrase “I heard from God” states the fact that one point Jesus (pbuh) did not know the truth, he only came to know the truth which is the existence of God when God chose to tell Him. The next is “Now you want to kill me”. Here Jesus (pbuh) is explaining the fact that he can also die like a man. However, Death it self is created by the Lord, which means it is a creation of God. Now, it is not possible to be killed by your own creation. What I am trying to say is that if God supposedly son can be killed by people then it portrays a very Weak God.
ABD
Jesus never said he was “merely a man.” He claimed he came down from heaven to represent his Father, who is God, on earth to mankind. He said he was God’s son.
ONLY those who are redeemed by his blood are allowed to claim a spiritual rebirth as God’s children.
All others on earth are just created beings, they are not considered children of God.
How do u explain this in the Bible?
John 16:12-14: “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
krissy
this happened at pentecost.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/jesus_is_almighty_god.htm
JESUS has His own Power, Authority and Glory as deduced from these verses:-
1. JESUS has His own power to empower His disciples. Luke 10:19 JESUS said: “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my Name shall they cast out devils
2. JESUS spoke in greater authority than Scribes and Moses. Mark 1:22 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes. Moses could not even spoke with authority and his brother Aaron was made a prophet for him. Yet Moses was made a God to Pharaoh by LORD GOD. JESUS was made GOD in similitude to MOSES. Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, LIKE UNTO THEE, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. John 10:34 JESUS answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, “Ye are Gods.” In Hebrew Gods is Elohim which is the same title for God Almighty.
3. JESUS had the Glory of God before the world was created. God will not give His glory to another. The Glory of GOD only belongs to GOD! John 17:5 And now glorify thou me, my Father, with thyself, in that glory which I had with Thee before the world was. Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my Name: and my GLORY will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Mark 13:26 JESUS said: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great Power and GLORY. Mark 8:38 when He cometh in the GLORY of His Father with the holy angels.
4. JESUS was not created but came through virgin birth; He is called The Son of God as He was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God and not in the similitude of Adam created from the dust of the ground. John 10:36 do ye say to him, whom the Father, hath sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said to you, I am the Son of God? Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of ‘The Son of GOD’.”
5. JESUS shall return in His own power and great glory to judge and rule the World. Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in His Glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his Glory. Mat 25:32 And before Him shall be gathered ALL NATIONS: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats Mat 25:41 Then shall HE say also unto them on the Left Hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the Devil and his Angels
6. JESUS is GOD as LORD Almighty called Him GOD just as LORD made Moses a GOD! Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. John 10:35 [JESUS said] If He called “them Gods”, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken. JESUS explained that HE is GOD as GOD called them Elohim — both MOSES and JESUS, in accordance with the Law of God.
7. JESUS accepts worship from men and women. Mat 28:9 And lo, JESUS met them, and said to them: Hail, ye. And they came and clasped his feet, and worshiped him. Blind man healed by JESUS worshiped Him: John 9:38 And he said: My Lord, I believe: and he fell down, and worshiped him.
8. JESUS is GOD as He could forgive sins on earth which the Scribes testified that no man can, except God only! Mark 2:7 Who can forgive sins but GOD only? Mark 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of Man hath POWER on earth to forgive sins
9. JESUS says His Father is GOD and equaled himself with GOD. John 5:17 But JESUS said to them: My Father worketh until now, and I work. John 5:18 And for this, the JEWS sought the more to kill him, not only because he had broken the Sabbath, but because he had said of God, that he was his Father, and had equaled himself with GOD. See also John 10:30-36.
as an active member of this blog,since last year,I monitored and analyzed the flow of conversation of (at least)each of everyone that had given their point of view and I therefore conclude that:
The site attracts different people that have a different beliefs on how they interpret the Word of God and the result? we end up giving proof,testimonies,scriptures,etc to prove that we are right and has a better understanding of the Word of God.I find it good so that others who are being misguided or confused will speculate the words and ask God for wisdom and Knowledge,but what really bothers me is when,we start to curse,yell and say something that is not good to others.Come to think of the words and feelings that you show to others when your doing these things.is it pleasing to God to say that other beliefs is from hell and under influence of the Devil?or by accusing God of something that he didn’t do.by doing that you’re letting the deceiver rule out into your heart.remember that the purpose of the devil is to kill,steal and destroy.He will do and use anything to deceive us.
Remember Brothers and Sisters that we don’t have the right to judge others.God is almighty and he has a plan for all of us.He said in Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven.Let God Judge us on what we have done.Don’t let your heart be troubled on what others say about our beliefs or their beliefs,instead Pray for them,love them as yourself and teach them about the truth with a loving heart and humble minds,when they are ready to listen,tell and show them what Jesus Christ indicated to us when we first accept him as our Lord and Savior.
and John 12: 37 – 40
Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him.This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
“He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”
it is clear that even when the Son of God had given all of their demands,they still not believe,for God knows everything,He planned all of this in the very beginning so that we may believe that he is the fulfillment of the scriptures,but He is merciful and loving that only if we repent and turn away from our sin,He is just to Forgive us and Gives us eternal life.
I believe that the Comforter that is mentioned in the scriptures is not referring to Mohammed.I know this in my heart and mind because the Holy Spirit Guides me and had given me wisdom and knowledge about the truth.if you want to know the truth,The truth about God,you must accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior because he is the truth and the only way to the father.no one can ever be saved by the saints,prophets or apostles,but this your choice to believe or not to believe,Because we have our own freedom.God don’t want us to love him by force,instead,He wants us to love him with all of our heart and soul and be with him eternally in heaven.
good advice. we should all heed it.
dear sachith
send this guy my way anytime.
I can explain the bible to him very clearly and answer all his objections.
first thing he needs to realize is that the doctrines he argues against are not in the bible so he needs to understand what biblical christianity is, and not depend on what the catholic church says
if the holy spirit was already known as it was in John yet unborn, long before the birth of Jesus and before departed he breath the holy spirit so that the disciples received it, why is the same holy spirit gonna come to the disciples as new on the day of pentecost to accomplish all Jesus said about the another comforter? speak in tongue of nothingness and or instill bravery in them was not one of the things God will send the another comforter for, according to the bible, but to hear from God and speak it exactly to the disciples so that they will know how to glorify Jesus as never before, teach them new things as Jesus didnt because he was on Mosaic law, lead them to all truth which Jesus didn’t do and reminded them what Jesus said so that they could exclude what Jesus didnt say. this this not we read in the bible?
its ironic that a great teacher like Jesus had a terrible group of students in the persons of the disciples that in less than 3 months of a 3 year study they needed a non talking ghost to correct them about their ‘errors and ignorance’ of the higher Jesus to the lower ghost said, if it is true about the claims of the day of pentecost. any professor with such a bunch of students may not gain tenure or the students need academic probation or both. if the christian can’t list what the ghost said as tongues of fire to the disciples, then we have to look at another time when lies may be the established truth, forgetfulness has brought about improvisation to see if anyone, man or spirit heard from God and spoke to people, including the children of Israel about complete truth, the way to it all, reach God Almighty, reminding people what Jesus truly said, glorifying Jesus by improving his image by honoring his mother away from the lie of the jews and saving Jesus away from an accursed, because satan is truly accursed and so are those who abuse noble souls.
if such a man or spirit occurred at any time in human history with an unchanging record to substantiate it, regardless of time, we can not discount that individual as the possible comforter, considering that Jesus promised the disciples that he will return to them at the end of time which is near so much so that some of them will still be alive, yet the died waiting for an event of return which many generations after have perished waiting for, we truly have to say the biblical writers have misplaced the time and the audience that Jesus was referring to, though correct about the duties of the another comforter, when the Sender is God, alone.
dear abbass
Compared to God, we are all stupid. People can learn about earthly things and still fail.
So the things of god are greater, and more overwhelming to understand sometimes, especially when we have sin in our lives, and this clouds our understanding.
And the holy spirit of God is from God who comes to teach us, line by line, precept by precept.
the spirit is everywhere, available to every person, until the antichrist comes, and then he will withdraw. so the time to learn from him is now….
There are many purposes of the holy spirit and they are all there for us to accept. God will not force us to accept what the holy spirit teaches. he just makes it available to us, and it is our job to be willing to learn.
that is why you can see failure and success…..it is up to us, god has not failed, and neither has the holy spirit.
1. The holy spirit comes to anyone who seeks God to help them reach God.
The baptism of the holy spirit is another level of relationship, where the power of God comes into the person’s life to peach the gospel to all peoples.
Purposes throughout history of the holy spirit have been
prophecy ( message straight from god),
teaching
repentance of sins
mercy
miracles
healings
comfort in time of trouble and sorrow
courage in time of danger
victory against enemies
preaching the message of god in other languages
(he gives the language for you, you do not have to study it and learn it first)
knowledge about things you are unaware of before he tells you
peace
wisdom
understanding
fear of the Lord
discerning of spirits
giving of faith
interpretation of various tongues, or languages without human study
2. The baptism of the holy spirit is empowerment where we were not able to do things before. it is a greater level of experience. Speaking in tongues is just a manifestation of the baptism. God does not do anything that is “useless.” he has purpose in his actions, and man needs to humble himself and obey.
3. Jesus was ready a long time ago to return, but he also said only the Father God knew when this would be. people have been waiting 2000 years. so why the long wait?
Jesus also provided clues as to when this would happen, and so no one was mislead.
First, the gospel HAD to be preached to every person in the world. that is only possible NOW, with air travel, TV and internet.
second, he gave the book of Revelation to provide more clues. the antichrist, world war, one world government, world famine and world economic collapse, persecution and pestilence and death and martyrdom would occur. that is only possible NOW.
the apostles could see some of these things comings but not all of them. if you have read the book of revelation, it is highly complex and deep, and this is on purpose, so that we should study it to gain wisdom. God does not always treat us like babies. he expects us to grow up and use our brain and think.
the apostles were also in deep sorrow when jesus left, so it was natural that they wanted him to come back soon.
today, the world has turned evil, and many believers have this same sorrow and need for Jesus to return.
god has never failed to do what he says. it is man’s job, with the help of the holy spirit, to understand the mind of god.
Understand that the holy spirit is not a “thing.”
the holy spirit IS the Spirit of the Living God, who has come to earth to comfort man in a world of evil, and bring man to Himself, so they can be saved from the evil and the wrath to come.
And when God is ready to execute wrath on the wicked, the Spirit of the Living god will leave, because man is no longer worth the effort and will not repent and accept God. So God will abandon man at this point and destroy him.
I hope this helps, and makes sense to you.
The prophecy tells Ahmad; ‘Servant of God’ will war in bringing judgement, to correct the wrongs. He will also liberate Arabia from worshiping molten images. Wilderness (desert), villages and cities will glorify God. This is what happen today. Whole of Arabia worshiping God daily.
And we continue reading Isaiah 42:18 – 25; Children of Israel will still be deaf and blind as they neglect the message brought by the ‘Servant of God’.
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In Isaiah 42:1, this cannot be a coincidence. If we look at the writing of אתמך (Atmc) אחמד (Ahmad). Not to mentioned אתמך (Atmc) is a term used only once throughout. [Scribes copying error or indeed an intended error?] And the word before אתמך (Atmc), is עבדי (Abedi~My Servant). It is indeed indicating Ahmad; Abedallah (Ahmad; Servant of God).
Children of Israel had been foretold by the coming of Ahmad but only a few accepts.
Submit
This is speaking about Jesus and spreading of Christianity. You muslims must be brainwashed.
please reread again on the events, Arabia glorifying God, praising God and singing words of God. Jesus did not achieve anything of such sort.
Please read a correct history book. Muhammad raided caravans, raped, and murdered. Allah, or my god, is just one god of 360 gods Muhammad made everyone worship, or get their head cut off.
The god Sin, or Su’en is the god Muhammad’s family worshiped, and his Uncle named after.
Islam, which means submit, is a religion, and a political system born from a mad man who heard voices in a cave. Su’en is the rebirth of the Sun god called Tammuz. He is in Theaters now. You can watch the New Age movie about your god. It is called Superman.
Jesus (PBUH) is prophet “not God”
-John 5:30
(By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, & my judgment is just,for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.)
-Mark 10:18
(Why do you call me good? No one is good,except God alone) Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.
-James 1:13
(When tempted, no one should say,God is tempting me. For God can’t be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt)
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.
-Matthew 27:46
(My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?)
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.
-John 14:28
(The Father is greater than I.)
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.
How do you feel about Muhammad raiding caravans, and raping a 9 year old girl? Do you feel he is the perfect man to follow? How as Friday’s prayers to the god of the Kaaba?
Sura 66.1
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
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{ يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَآ أَحَلَّ ٱللَّهُ لَكَ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ }
O Prophet! Why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, in terms of your Coptic handmaiden Māriya — when he lay with her in the house of Hafsa, who had been away, but who upon returning [and finding out] became upset by the fact that this had taken place in her own house and on her own bed — by saying, ‘She is unlawful for me!’, seeking, by making her unlawful [for you], to please your wives? And God is Forgiving, Merciful, having forgiven you this prohibition.
Mohammad had sex with his concubine right in the bed of Hafsa!!! How perfect Mohammad was !!!
hymer, you are correct in saying at that time, they would ask in jesus name, as he was the prophet in those times!! The last prophet for our time is muhammad pbuh, that is why people are becoming muslim around the world thousands each day, i was christian. but jesus pbuh pointed me to islam from studying the bible. He preached belief in one God, something christians do not follow entirely. the first commandment is the one christians forge tthe most!!! becuase it is the same as the muslims first commandment and the jews, and hindus and the rest of the texts people recieved before. God does not change the message, men do!! and jesus pbuh warns us about the scribes throughout the bible.
Muhammad was a mad man who heard voices in a cave, and could not read, or write. My god of the kabba is one of 360 gods at the kabba Muhammad made everyone worship or get their head cut off. Allah is known as Sin in a correct history book.
Islam means to submit, and Islam is a death cult.
Muhammad is not, nor ever was a prophet. He enjoyed rape, and murder.
Jesus always preached love, forgiveness and compassion. Muhammad promoted death and suffering wherever he inflicted Islam (submission to the Will of Allah (God). I see Muhammad as the messenger of the devil, tempting those who are weak enough to adopt a hatred of their fellow man even though they may be Godfearing people. Muhammed dictated the slaughter of Jews and Christians if they did not convert, and its been pretty much the same ever since. Jesus only said that if you believe and have faith then you will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
I believe Zaynab was sent by God when she poisoned Muhammad… “I thought if you are a prophet, Allah will inform you, and if you are a pretender, I shall relieve people of you. Muhammad clearly failed the ultimate test! Indeed he later proclaimed someone had “severed his aorta” (Quran quote by the way) – (the Muslim preferred means of despatching “nonbelievers”) therefore sealing his own fate in the eyes of God or Allah. I would and could write more quoting from the Quran, but I am using a cellphone.
Your words are not true with meaning and you couldn’t even prove anything.
Where’s the man that Jesus promised to come? You haven’t seen him coming till now.
As per your comments Muhammed was not that man and till now you haven’t seen anyone coming after over 2000 years passed, so ask questions yourself that was Jesus promised man wasn’t exist or those bible verses were wrong?
Reply if you have answers
ashraful
please re-read the post. I explained the answer to your question there.
It is very clearly stated in the bible that the comforter was NOT a man, but the holy spirit.
the holy spirit came 50 days later, so this is not a long wait.
Deuteronomy 18:15 ESV /
“The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen—
Isaiah 29:12 ESV /
And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.”
Deuteronomy 18:18 ESV /
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
Helpful Not Helpful
John 14:15-16 ESV /
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever
deut 18 is talking about Jesus…..
john 14 is talking about the holy spirit…
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 1:21 ESV /
And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No
John 1:25 ESV /
They asked him, “Then why are you baptizing, if you are neither the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”
If you have understanding mind then read above bible. Verses and think that the spirit of truth was a prophet like Jesus and Jesus himself was a prophet as well
Jesus was several things…..
prophet
Messiah
Savior
Healer
Son of God ( he was this before he came to earth as a human) he is now in heaven again as son of God, obeying His Father, who is God. Son does not mean physical son of marriage…..he was this relationship in heaven already….god does not need a marriage to a woman to have a son….God is creator
Son of Man
John the baptist was not the person Elijah, but the did have the same holy spirit on him, to evangelize, and prophesy.
John’s job was to prepare the people for the Messiah
that is correct, Jesus said he was NOT the PROPHET Elijah
they were asking if he was Elijah, the prophet…and Jesus said no…..
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they were asking about this prophecy from Malachi 4:5:
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John the baptist came in the spirit of Elijah before Jesus came to minister…..
and the prophet elijah will appear again when Jesus returns.
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the purpose of the prophet Elijah is to prepare people to meet their Messiah
I am happy to explain this to you.
In the book of Acts, written by Luke, an associate of Paul and Peter, he tells that Christ told them “do not leave Jerusalem, but keep waiting for what the Father has promised, about which you heard from me; for John, indeed, baptised you with water, but you will be baptised with holy spirit not many days after this.” Acts 1:4-5.
This brings a few questions to mind.
1) If Christ told them to wait in Jerusalem, but it was actually until Muhammad appeared over 550 years later, wouldn’t they have been killed, when Jerusalem was destroyed, as Christ had warned them about?
2) If Christ told them to wait in Jerusalem, but it was actually until Muhammad appeared over 550 years later, wouldn’t that make Al-Masih a liar? Christ is no liar!
3) Why did Christ state “not many days after this”?
4) Why does the book go on to explain the fulfilment of prophecy in Acts 2:1-36?
The Bible is correct, and the claim that Muhammad was ever mentioned in it is a lie. It is either invented by Muhammad (peace to him, and may he have a resurrection), or one of his cronies who tacked it on after his death.
As for the personification, when it says that “he” will comfort you, the Bible personifies other things too, but that doesn’t make them people. For instance, in Psalms, wisdom is personified, and has works and children. Death and sin are spoken of as kings. Also more specifically, John’s account states that Jesus said this “helper” is “the spirit of the truth, which comes from the Father”. What about the holy spirit already being there? Well, consider that God’s angels were already there, as even the Qur’an uses spirit and holy spirit to speak of the angels. Of course, our God is also a Holy Spirit, but not the holy spirit spoken of by Jesus, as Jesus states that God would send it. Also, read Luke 24:36-49, regarding this waiting in Jerusalem.
Another thing is that the Bible prophecied that the kingly line would “not depart from Judah”, and Jesus was of the line of Judah. Muhammad is said to be of the line of Ishmael, who was the brother of Isaac. It was Isaac’s son, Jacob, who became known as Israel, and it was his son who was the Judah who the lineage of Al-Masih would be born from.
Consider too, why would God suddenly change the preaching work that was being spread throughout the world, and suddenly make it for just the Arabian people? Based on this alone, why is an Arabian religion, which is mentioned many times in the Qur’an as a point of importance, be necessary to those who had the truth taught already? Because they apostasised? No, this doesn’t excuse making up another religion in opposition to the Christ’s commands. In fact it only makes those who claim to be Christian accountable even more so of being holy in conduct, and if one is obedient to God, they will obey his Christ. It is written in the Psalms (the ones that were given to David, so states the Qur’an). Psalms 2:1-11. You will see there that the Son is to be honoured, or God’s wrath will be on the person who doesn’t. If you are genuine, and you think maybe they’ve been changed, there is a book of Psalms in a museum going back to the 2nd century or more, pre-dating Islam, and proving that Jesus…Al-Masih…is indeed God’s son, and to be honoured.
amen
Many of us people cannot imagine the immense love God has for us and sacrifice it took to let His Son die on the cross. He is the creator of the universe and former of the stars. We are so small and insignificant in comparison to His creation, and yet so loved by Him. Jesus lives inside of every believer. 1 John 4:10 says “In this is love, not that we have loved God but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins”. Romans 5:8 states “But god shows His love for us that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us”.
Tonights talk hinges on the phrase that : Jesus loves you. It might seem really simple, something we heard. But what can be more impressive and that would top out the reality that JESUS LOVES YOU. I don’t know, if you love him or not? But I love the fact that Jesus decided what He was going to do, before you decided what you were going to do. Some of you are still thinking about it. Thats okay. He’s not! Some of you are still in process. He’s not in process. Some of you don’t believe he loves you. Some of you haven’t received yet that he loves you. Not stopping Him. Some of you cannot imagine comprehend fathom that someone like you a husband, a wife, a son, a mother, a child, a friend, at workplace someone told you that you were “unlovable”and you believed that. And that’s defined you and it has cast an identity for you? So when someone says Jesus loves you, you find it hard to believe “My parents dint, my boyfriend dint , my husband dint, my wife dint, my neighbour dint, this person dint they dint, so I know if they dint, He probably doesn’t either”. I am here to tell you tonight that there is a cross spanning history and eternity and it is an I Love You that is brighter than the sun. You are loved by Jesus Christ tonight. Madly passionately deeply intimately eros-ly pursuing relentless unstoppable determined unending bottomless sure unshakable Love. Every way you can possibly be loved.
Humanity needs to be soaked in the belief, awareness and experience that they are loved by the Son of the living God. Let me tell you about the God who is madly in love with you. You can’t always depend on love expect for the love of Jesus Christ because I cannot promise you if you would be loved your whole lifetime. With Jesus, You’ll be loved every day your on this planet every hour you exist every moment you breath. His love is unshakable because He is unshakable. He is supreme and sufficient in every single way. All things were created by Him. You are the dream and conception of God. You were a dream in His mind and He decided to create you and love you. You were made for Jesus. Colossians 1:16 “All things were created through Him and for Him”. Your lover created everything. He breath out stars. He spoke and the world lit up. Isaiah 40:26 “Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one and calls forth each of them by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing”. The creator of the universe is here to tell you that He Loves You. We are so small, yet so loved. So tiny, yet so priced.
This documentary based on John 3:16 The story of Love, which truly explains the heart of our loving God. So blessed are we to be His children.
You are loved so deeply. God cares for us and longs for us to talk to him. Pray bodly to Him and He never let you go.
I am REAL God’s Last Prophet, Prophet Ronald Dwayne Whitfield, and one need only read about me by Google Google am I the Last Prophet, then reading what Prophet Jesus stated I would do after He would go away, John16: 7-15, and consult both Texas State government and the US federal to determine whether I be telling you the truth.
Are u sure comforter is not a person to come
Thushara
the holy spirit was and is the comforter, at some point he will leave, when the believers are removed from the earth
jesus promised another comforter like himself, and 50 days later the holy spirit came to the apostles. he has been here ever since
So-called prophet mohammad,is not the comforter jesus promises us.HOLY SPIRIT.thats the promise.Mohammad is the comforter of islam,not christian
I believe that not only the holy spirit is Jesus sent but also the virgin Mary , I know there is a lot of debate on that but I became catholic because I prefer to see to believe and with all the miracle done by Mary for Jesus my entire family believes that.
Muslims has being brainwashed by a fake prophet Muhammad because he lack evidence or a proof that he was a comforter or a prophet of God as he claim in order to deceived many. The promised comforter was to live forever not only with us but in us forever till his second coming, but a man (muhammad) who never heard from God and dance with his lies and perish with his falsehood (jihad and shariah law as a means of pleasing God) in the grave with no hope of resurrection
Muslims has being brainwashed by a fake prophet Muhammad because he lack evidence or a proof that he was a comforter or a prophet of God as he claim in order to deceived many. The promised comforter was to live forever not only with us but in us forever to teach us the truth and strengthens our hope for a new life(resurrection) in Christ Jesus till his second coming, but a man (muhammad) who never heard from God and dance with his lies and perish with his falsehood (jihad and shariah law as a means of pleasing God) in the grave with no hope of resurrection
Assalam o Alaikum to my brothers and sisters…
The one and only point i would like to mention is that the bible was altered by people and the present day bible isnt the original INJEEL given to Hazrat ISSA alaihe salam… Try to think ..
greetings tajdar
the bible is true. any “version” is only to make it easier to read in different languages…it is the same content.
it is false that is is altered by people. this is islam propaganda.
ancient scrolls from dead sea prove it is the same text.
the quran itself was written by multiple people. since muhammed was illiterate, there was no way to check its accuracy.
maybe you should think too.
The Apostle Paul, who was a former Pharisee, quoted from the Septuagint, which was a translation. Why would he do this, especially being such a highly educated religious man in the Jewish manuscripts? Did he consider it a blasphemy, or a diluting of the word?
Why did the holy spirit make people speak in many different tongues, including the language of the Arabians, and the Libyans, if a translation would have been weak?
Why did Jesus himself state that the preaching of the good news would be preached throughout the whole earth, and not just in one language? Would it be weak?
The answer to all these is regarding the fact that the word-for-word expectation that Islam claims about what the Bible should be is incorrect. I am aware that Islam applies it, and even makes the false claim that the Qur’an is a miracle that has not been changed. This is a lie, and nothing else. It has been known for a long time, at least since the days of Al-Bukhari, that Uthmann gathered up all the differing Qur’ans and burnt them up…in order to enforce one Qur’an. So that is a wrong statement, and a misleading lie. It is nothing short of what the Devil does, as he is the first liar. Also, there is the Samarkand Manuscript, which you can investigate, which is the oldest known Qur’an we physically have in the world. It is known to be different in places to the standard that is held in Saudi Arabia. Learn your facts first, and then consider that Muhammad didn’t state that the books that they had in his day were false, but stated that the Qur’an “confirms what is WITH you”, and not “what WAS with you until it was altered”. It says it over ten times! So therefore, we can consider that the Bible in the days of Muhammad was accurate. Due to Muhammad existing in the seventh century of this common era, that means that we have in existence manuscripts that were what Muhammad was telling people to relate to. That means that the Bible we have today can be totally accurate, and that God’s word cannot be altered, as the Qur’an also states. Therefore, I wish you to read the Bible, after of course doing some research to see if what I’ve highlighted to you is true. That is the wise course. To do God’s will is essential for survival as Satan’s system is soon destroyed along with its false religion. God’s will hasn’t changed, and the will of God in the Qur’an is NOT the will of God in the Bible. In the Bible, consider 1Timothy 2:3-4, and 1Thessalonians 4:3-8. THIS…is God’s will. May God be with you as you consider this with all seriousness.
Please stop misleading people so you can have a good life hereafter because you are using your brain which is only limited to what almighty Alha just released for you to know to interpret the words of almighty Alha. Please be very careful because only Allah who created heaven and earth who also created Jesus Christ which Muslim also accept as one of the prophets sent to the world as Isa may Allah pleased with him amen and Mohamed SAW knows best.
Please stop misleading people with little that you. And you are talking as if you know all. No body knows all ALLAH does.
For the benefit of those that want to know.what Islam stands for please you can google more about Islam allow nobody to mislead you remember almighty ALLAH sent one prophet after the other.
Please think about this
Allah is not the holy God of the Bible. Allah was, in the days of the Bible, being used as one of the gods of the local Arabic area. If you recognise this, then you may look to see that God’s holy name, as revealed to Moses, and first recorded in Genesis 2:4 (written by Moses) is there nearly 7000 times in the Hebrew and Aramaic Scriptures. Still, you have one thing good, in that you know that Jesus is not God. Yet you need to also read both the Bible and Qur’an, for the Qur’an shows that Muhammad WOULD worship God’s Son if he had one, (Az-Zukhruf 43:81), when Jesus himself states to worship ONLY the father (Matthew 4:10). Jesus says “Him alone”! Muhammad says “if the Most Gracious had a son, then I am the first of worshippers”. Read the Bible, and then you will be able to tell what is true from what is false, especially from a bunch of murderous child molesting so-called preachers, who spread hatred throughout the earth, which is disgusting, and in opposition to ALL the prophets, including Al-Masih, Jesus. Don’t worry, all false Christian religion will be destroyed by God too, but as for you, you need to learn from God’s word before just spruiking the Quranic message of hatred and contradiction. Sorry for being so harsh, but it is the only harsh I do. I’m not out to kill the infidels. I believe that The Almighty has the power to do that himself. Don’t you? Then why would a holy God ask humans to hurt innocent people to claim his greatness, when he already has a whole universe of power to consider the uncountable, unimaginable energy and intelligence, as well as control? Why does God make butterflies, as well as supernovas? Because he is a God of control. It is there for me and you to consider, and as Jesus stated “You are my friends if you do what I am commanding you.” Yes, Jesus was given authority from God. Otherwise, he wouldn’t be called “Al-Masih”, would he! He is a king, anointed by God, and as you yourself know, he is returning. So why would the Qur’an suddenly contradict all the peaceful message that a Christian should put up with, and now dictate the very thing prophesied that he’d do away with, namely warfare? Is God weak? Jesus commanded us to be peaceable, and to exercise patience, and to “not return evil for evil”. It is up to you and me. What will you do? Best wishes, and I hope you do actually study.
PLANTING CHURCHES INSIDE MUSLIMS COMMUNITY
Email: establishchurchesamongmuslims@gmail.com / muslimsfoundjesus@gmail.com
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Dear Director / Pastor / Brother / Sister in Christ,
Greetings to you in the most precious name of our Lord Jesus Christ!
We are in great need of your kind prayers for our own lives and ministry specifically among the Muslims. We are very glad to share with you that our Living God has filled our hearts with His burden & vision in our lives to reach specifically to The MUSLIMS by The Gospel of Jesus Christ & plant House Churches inside Muslim community. While Muslim terrorist groups such as Islamic state , Taliban, Al Qaeda and Boko Haram are killing Christians in different countries, He is leading us to reach out to the Muslims for His own glory and help them to know that Jesus Christ is The Only Living God and Saviour.
Our Lord Jesus is using us to fulfil His plan & will in and through our lives. By the grace of God, already Several Muslim men & women accepted Jesus in their hearts as their Lord & Saviour. They are following His teachings in the midst of different types of physical tortures by the militant Muslims. They are witnessing about Jesus and they are sharing their testimonies to their relatives &neighbors. God is adding more men & women to our worship services almost every week for His own glory.
Militant Muslims are often torture and try to harm physically to the believers from Muslim background for their new faith in Jesus. Even though we are facing heavy persecutions & threats by the Militant Muslims, but our Lord Jesus is using our lives for the extension of His Kingdom and He has protected us for His own glory. Militant Muslims are constantly trying to murder us. Our lives are in danger at this moment.
We are in great need of your kind prayers in our own lives and for the persecuted believers. Humbly, we request you kindly pray for God’s protection from the hands of Militant Muslims. Please also pray that we might be always faithful to His call in our lives and grow in Him.We are prayerfully expecting to have at least 500 believers from Muslim background at our fellowship.
Please write few words for us.
With regards,
Bashir & team
KINDLY PRAY FOR: House Church Fellowship, Discipleship Ministry, Women Ministry, Children Ministry, Health Care Ministries for the women & Children and Compassion Ministry (such as Distributing Clothes & blankets to the poor children & poor woman, Free tuition to the needy students, Feeding to the poor children , helping to the persecuted believers those who lost their sources of income & houses for their faith in Jesus, Educational help to the poor & needy students, Providing Nutrients for Malnourished children)
False religion is evil. The worst is though, the ones who claim to be Christian, and yet teach untruths about Christ. If it wasn’t for such ones blaspheming Christianity by their actions (such as worshipping idols, involvement in other kingdoms other than Christ’s, and other things that betray the good news that Christ commanded his followers to do, such as publicly preach), then Islam wouldn’t have risen its ugly head. Indeed, Islam is condemned by its own book, the Qur’an, as it states it confirms the Bible, and the books that came before it, yet it doesn’t. As for those who claim the bible has been changed, the evidence shows otherwise historically, whereas the Qur’an, which is said to not have been changed has the Samarkand Manuscript for them to consider, which demonstrates that the Qur’an has indeed been changed, and this manuscript dates back to Uthmann, who hadith states gathered all the differing Qur’ans together and burnt them so there would only be one. So it was already changed, but the good thing is that we can now go to a museum (or online, in case some filthy satanic murderous terrorist blows it up because they are too weak to wait for God to act, so they do the devils work of murdering innocent people) and see this manuscript ourselves, and compare it to the official one which is used. Liars, just as Muhammad was, and all his cronies.
Back on the so-called “christians” though, these have been like the Jews in the days of Christ. They have persecuted true worshippers, and even tortured them, blaspheming the cleanness of God and his Christ, and they continue to do so today. Also, organisationally, they refuse to follow Christ’s command (a command, not a polite request!) in Matthew 28:18-20. Therefore, the judgment for them is strong, and all true lovers of God and Christ are required to do as Revelation 18:4 says, and “Get out of…” false religion. It is a requirement for your survival. As God did to Jerusalem, abandoning it to those who wanted a political nation, and allowing it to be destroyed by the political powers, this is what is coming upon these organisations that are filled with hatred for righteousness, as they are power-hungry, just like the nations, and jealous, greedy. God WILL destroy false religion, and it is going to happen really soon. Pay attention, and read your Bibles, and as I have to as well, APPLY what you learn, in such matters as what God’s will is. (1Thessalonians 4:3-8, 1Timothy 2:3-4). May you have peace, if you act accordingly.