Tithing in the church – I

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In the bible, tithing, offerings and the temple tax is mentioned. But, the church teaches it today in a way that is non-biblical. The temple tax was what was used to support the temple. It was a set amount, like a shekel per person, about 25 cents each. With several million people giving a shekel, this was adequate.

Today, the tithe is used instead of the temple tax. Originally, only the men came 3 times a year to bring an offering…not the women or children…..especially not single mothers, widows, cripples, sick people, poor people. When tithing was done, only landowners did it, because the tithe came from their harvest of land that was completely paid for. People who did not own property could not do this. They were only servants. When the tithe was brought, as well as offerings, the giver ate the tithe before the Lord, and shared some with the priest. This was a time of fellowship with God, like having an intimate dinner with the Lord. The tithe was not used to support the priest’s salary, or buy him a car, or build him a house. In fact, the priest was not allowed to own any property.

Today, pastors use the tithe to pay themselves, build additions on to the church, and pay administrative costs. The poor usually get nothing, and “eating the tithe” is considered robbing God. The church frowns on the giver keeping some of the tithe for one’s own use, like buying food to eat, because the tithe belongs to God, not the giver, according to the church view.

This is not what scripture says. Scripture says the purpose of the tithe is for the giver to eat it (actually physically benefiting from it), and do so before the Lord, sharing with others who have need. Today, the giver is denied any benefit from the tithe, thus denying him his fellowship dinner with the Lord. Instead, it is removed from him under a message of guilt and obligation, and the pastor and elders pull a salary from his gift. In the bible, the pastors and elders did not get paid. The bible said they all worked for a living, and anyone who did not work, did not eat. No one, especially the leaders, expected others to work while they sat around on their holy behinds, and waited for a free handout. All the believers studied the scriptures, not just the pastors. And all the believers were ministers to others. No one had a paid position. This is an artificial system created by so called leaders who did not want to work for a living.

To make it worse, instead of just demanding tithes from the men who owned property and had a harvest, the church now shamelessly demands tithes out of widows, students, single moms, and sick people on disability. Instead of feeding the poor, the church is taxing the poor. If one is not a tither in the church, then they cannot have membership. If one then is not a member, then they deserve no benefits from the church, especially financial help, which is the main need of the poor. People who are still trying to buy their first property, and are in debt, are required to give, even though this is against scripture. Some ministers actually have the nerve to tell people who do not have any money (the poor), to put large donations on their credit cards, going into debt, and just believe God will bring money to them so they can pay the credit card bill. People are threatened with the curses of God if they do not tithe. In the Bible, God wanted 10% of what the property owner had produced on his land as a profit, not 10% before expenses.

In the church today, members are required to give 10% of their gross, before expenses, not their “profit” after expenses. In the bible days, there were no federal taxes, state taxes, social security deductions, parking fees, gasoline expenses, auto insurance, electricity bills, property taxes, IRS, and babysitting fees. All there was – was the temple tax of one shekel (25 cents). The church has no mercy on people who actually work for a living, and demands 10% of the gross. This is really sick. The average church does not preach the gospel to the unsaved. The average church supports its own “me first ” programs. Church programs may be fine in concept, but the meaning of the offerings and tithes is lost in a new social hall, and a pay raise for the pastor, who will not work for a living as the bible requires. The bible never told any pastor to quit working and hang around full time as a pastor. What do these pastors do all week? Are they reaching the lost as they claim? Answer …no.

The sheep need to get smart. They are ministers too. Pastors are only for the newly saved, because once they are taught, they should be out helping others, bringing new converts into the church. In the bible, the pastors were only for the untaught gentiles. The Jews did not need pastors since they already knew the scriptures. It is a modern day disgrace that pastors have convinced members that they are to stay forever in the church, once they are taught, and just stay to pay tithes to support the pastor’s salary. After 20-30 years, these members should be doing more than sitting there. They should be out preaching the gospel to the unsaved. They do not “need” their pastor anymore because they are not newly saved and in need of teaching.

If the sheep just realized the power they had, they would bust loose from this bondage and turn the world upside down. I hope and pray they get the point soon.

Buy the truth, and sell it not  Prov 23:23.

Do not sell the gospel !!

Click here to read more about the original commandment and practice of tithing.

Click here to read more about the false doctrine of seed time and harvest as money, and NOT the word of God. .


134 Responses to “Tithing in the church – I”

  1. Hello,

    Warm Christian Greetings.

    You make good points regarding the abuses of some pastors. In fact, as a pastor myself, I agree with a lot of what you have wrote. The “seed time and harvest” doctrine – as interpreted and promoted by many – to the point of mass abuse – is a hersey. However, I believe you too have erred when you stated that people who have be saved a long time do not “need” a pastor. In fact your statements are in direct violation of God himself. (See Jeremiah 3:15). If you are incline to dismiss this because it’s in the OT – see Ephesians 4:11-13. Even if you are among those of who have matured in the Faith, Apostle Paul’s point is that God wants us to remain under leadership (And yes, godly, loving, leaders who have the spirit of humility) – “Till we all – come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect (whole; fully matured) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:”. Question, do you believe that we/all (the body of Christ – worldwide) have reached this point? If so, when did this occur? Furthermore, what example are you setting for those who look to you (your writing, etc.) – in terms of your ability to humbly submit to a loving, godly, father/leader? (Paul said that we should follow him as he follows Christ) To this end, obviously I don’t know you personally, but thru your writing you seem sincere (If I might add, you also have a gift to write). However, I pray that you don’t allow the abuses you have noted and/or experienced to cause you to skew, misinterpret or misrepresent the Word of God. If you continue in this vein you will be – unwittingly or not – guilty of the same thing (false doctrine) of which you have noted in others. My prayer for you is that you will – via the Holy Spirit – “rightly divide the Word of Truth”. I believe my writ to you is “…in love…”; I pray you will receive it as such. Peace & God Bless.

    p.s. I welcome your feedback; “…let us reason together…”

  2. Dear Pastor Luke,

    Thank you for your comments. This is what I have been seeing:

    1. True, I agree. Longevity in being saved does not equal maturity. Some people never read, or better, study, their Bibles, and just depend on the pastor to do it for them. I see them as perpetual “lambs,” not mature sheep. They will always need a pastor because they are either too busy working, or they are lazy. These are also the ones who will most likely fall for every false doctrine, because they are not checking out what they hear. In this case, the unknowledgeable need a good pastor.
    2. However, it was not meant to be this way. People are expected by God to grow up, and mature. Even Paul complained that some only wanted the milk of the Word, and needed the meat of the Word.
    3. Pastors are expected to be mature in the Word. Their only real shepherd should be Jesus. I see this as true for any mature believer, who is as knowledgeable and experienced as a mature pastor. There is a point where each person should grow to, and when that point comes, that person should be ministering themselves.
    4. People have to fit and be well matched to any church or pastor. If the pastor is just out of seminary, and the member knows more than he does, there is no need for the member to be there. The member already knows what the new pastor is going to say. I have been in the Word for 40 years now, and I have to admit that most pastors are boring to me now. This is because they talk about the same things all the time – things I already know, and could give a sermon on myself. I am always looking for “fresh bread,” not “stale bread.” True, it might be fresh to someone else, but it is not fresh to me.
    5. Many pastors have hit a plateau. They studied when they were younger, compiled a set of sermons, and only occasionally go beyond that for fresh revelation. Their sheep do not develop past the level of the pastor, if they are the dependent type. This is when the church starts to die. The dependent types may stay, but the more mature ones might leave.
    6. The early apostles looked to Jesus to be their only and true shepherd. They were ready to minister when they were just in their 20’s, or maybe early 30’s. This is because they were Jewish, and had studied Torah their whole lives. They were prepared to hear what Jesus had to say. They had the scriptural foundation that gentiles did not have. Once trained by Jesus, they moved into ministry. They had Peter as a central figure, but they did not need him to teach them. He was there to minister to the newly saved, as the early apostles brought in new converts. I cannot see the early apostles and disciples of Jesus sitting there every week, waiting for Peter to give them a revelation or teach them something. This is because they were already equipped. They were at the same level that Peter was. They had achieved “the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God” that you mention. So yes, in one lifetime, one can reach this point.
    7. Paul was assigned to the gentiles, who basically knew nothing about God, or the scriptures. They did not have the foundation that the Jewish apostles had. This was going to take a long time to get them up to speed. They were going to need evangelists to bring them in, and pastors to teach them. Even with them, Paul insisted that they move from the milk of the word to the meat of the word.
    8. I see immature believers as needing a pastor, one well trained and constantly gleaning fresh revelation from the Bible. I see mature believers as looking to Jesus as their shepherd, not man. This is because they should be at the same knowledge level as a pastor, ready to teach others.
    9. Neither new believers or more mature believers need some of the people I see on TV, which seems to be influencing other pastors not televised.
    10. As a mature believer, I do find most pastors uninteresting, because they are still teaching at a level I have already been at, and I have moved on. They cannot lead me where I have already been. If pastors would understand this, and reach a little deeper into the Word, they would find fresh bread for everyone in the church, instead of appealing to the less informed, and allowing the more mature to leave, or quietly stagnate.
    11. As a human being, I do not look to any man for leadership, especially when there is no “match” between what they have to offer and what I would need. The scripture says to go to God, not man. But again, babes in Christ will need to start somewhere, and need mentoring. And yes, I do believe that one can achieve the same level that the apostles and early disciples did. That is the whole point of ministry. If ministry cannot produce mature believers, ready to minister, fully equipped, then it has failed the commission of the gospel.
    12. What I see, as I mentioned before, is that many pastors have stopped growing themselves, and they have hit a plateau. For any member, who is at that plateau with the pastor, who wishes to continue to grow, they need to leave and move on. If they can find a more inspired pastor, then they have found a new home. If they can’t, then they are stuck.
    13. So, also what I see, some of the ministry callings were just meant to be for the newly saved, who knew nothing about the Bible, and need lengthy and in depth, instruction until they matured and were equipped also. I do not see where they would continue to need a father figure once they had “grown up,” because they would now look to Jesus as their shepherd and father, not the pastor.
    14. I still see mature, and not mature, believers coming together for fellowship. This is recommended also. But if people do this, and they have to sit through a sermon on why they should give from their poverty to the church building fund, then this will ruin the fellowship atmosphere, and put undeserved pressure on the people.
    15. I currently attend a church where the offering is not asked for during service. There is a plate outside the sanctuary for offerings. That way, people are not put under pressure during the fellowship service. This method actually assumes the people are mature, and can be trusted to give as their conscience dictates. This is the way the offerings were accepted in the temple during the time of Jesus, and is also the way Jewish synagogues operate to this day. But now, most pastors do not trust the sheep, and pass the plate around. When you are confronted with the plate, you feel obligated to put something in, because others are watching. This destroys the “cheerful giver” feeling, and imposes a sense of being pressured into something.
    16. Maybe the body of Christ, as a whole has not reached the point you mentioned. – ie – “come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect (whole; fully matured) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:” . This would be true if there were many new converts constantly coming into the church, and needing to mature, which is not really the case in America. Most are leaving the church.
    17. However, this is also true, in some ways, because ministry has failed to teach and help people mature, since many ministers are not mature themselves, or on the proper path.
    18. The mature believers need to be acknowledged as such, and allowed to minister as well. Many are told to stay seated, and stay under the pastor forever, even after both have reached their max. This is stifling the mature believer. It is like the pastors need the sheep, more than the sheep need the pastor.
    19. Anyone, pastor and mature believer, can continue to grow in revelation, and can share insights with each other. The Word is made to constantly reveal new things to us. But this does not dictate a structured relationship between the two, where one is subjected to be under the other.

    thank you
    Marianne

  3. I don’t mind paying tithes and offering if the money is used to uplift the Kingdom of God church and the needs of those who needs it. I do, however agree with the writer statement about how some Pastors, and the elder of the church can make you feel that if you don’t tithe then you will be under a financial curse from God. There are times because of financial setbacks, I am not always able to constantly pay my tithes, and thereforee during offering, I am left with feelings of guilt , apologizing to God for not having 10% of my earnings. I like to believe that God knows that in my heart that I truly want to pay my tithes, but there are times that i alway can’t. So! with that, when my family and I are suffering financially, I think that God has place us under a financially curse as punishment.
    Can someone tell me under what scriptures where is can actually say that our tithes must be paid bi-weekly, or monthly. Again I don’t mind giving, because it is my heart desire to give when I can. I am not a selfesh person. I just would like an anwser because I don’t want to continue to feel guilty anymore when I can’t give my 10%.

    • We are free from laws. All that you own, belongs to Him and not you. Sow when He asks you to, hold back when He doesn’t. Read Deuteronomy 26 and Isaiah 58. Tithes in today’s world fund an institution not even ordained by God…instead of looking after His needy children whom were put there to test your love…Jer 6:27. God sometimes uses us to test others with. Not a nice job, few candidates..lol :)

      God doesn’t need our money, our own fellow believers do.

  4. Hi Carol.

    First, the tithe was discontinued in the early church as grace replaced the law. The tithe was only for the temple in Jerusalem, nowhere else. The christians were only to give as their heart led them.

    If you want scriptures about tithing, you have to go back to the old testament, where you go back under the law to obey. Tithing was only done once a year, but not every year. Some years, offerings were dedicated to the poor, and once every 7 years, there was no tithe, because they let the land rest, and no one worked, or planted, or harvested.

    Only men paid tithes, not women or widows, or children, or single mothers.

    Look at my pother post, where it gives extra details.

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/tithing-judaism/

    I hope this helps. Give as you see fit. But you are not under a curse if you cannot afford it. Your church should be helping you, if you need help.

    God bless you.
    marianne

  5. I AM IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, AND SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE I AM A CURSED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I FALL INTO A FINANICAL BIND BEYOND MY CONTROL. IN SOME CHURCHES THE PASTOR WONT LET MINISTERS PREACHED OR PRAY. I DO BELIEVE IN GIVING TO THE LORD. AND SOMETIMES I GET DISCOURGED BUT I CONTINUE TO TRUST IN THE LORD. PLS PRAY FOR ME. J. C.

  6. John,

    Just follow your heart as to what you want to give. Do not reveal your income to people, so that they expect a certain amount from you. It sounds like you are in ministry as well? Also, do not feel obligated to stay in a particular church. If one is too restricting, go elsewhere.

    You have my prayers. And my best wishes.

    marianne

    • I would not recommend hopping around just because of income, you must pray Gods perfect will and ask him to show you your duty and purpose for being at that church. You are not under the 10 percent law but you sould give according to your heart and what holy spirit directs you to give. it may be 100 it may be 50 i dont know but remember always pray before you make any permanate decisions in a temporary place. much love and prayer for you.

  7. What about Christ’s commendation of the widow who gave her last mite? He did not clarify that she need not give at all or that there would no longer be a need for the tithe as HE next described how the temple would soon be destroyed. Mark 12.41-44 and continuing;

    Also, it is generally taught the “the worker is worthy of his pay” refers to ministers/teachers of God’s word. See http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=1Ti&chapter=5#n27 and 1 Timothy 5.17

  8. I know that there are part-time pastors that want to do the will of God and hopefully they can do it full time, the small churches they pastor cannot afford a salary or tithes so he works to support their families and he gives his tithes to the church as well and ends up paying the church bills etc… So are you telling the reader not to support the church or pastors? Or should they only support the big churches that are down the street? I know you search the bible and have found that the priest where set a side to take care of the temple and that was their job or duty whatever you want to call it. So they did work, I think that if a pastor is lazy and just wants to feed of the people that wrong, But I will not judge him for that I will leave God to do it. We see all the T.V. stuff and “They say, send money and you receive big blessing”, I don’t agree with that because if they where being bless they won’t be asking for it all the time. We get a mental picture that all pastors and churches are like that. We see the problems in this world and its going to get harder, the pastors that are trying to stay faithful to the cause are losing the fight, but God wants us to remain faithful to the end. I know that we have to warn the people of false things that are going out in the world and in the church. In the tithing, I think it’s not about the money, but the obedience to God, and that you trust in him. I know that there are pastor that will make you feel guilty. And they are trying to fulfill their own need. And yes, we need to look out for that. May God bless.

    • Absolutely Marchus I agree, not all pastors are like that, my pastor is not like that at all. There are those out there that are really giving their all to God and wants the best for the believers. Once again GIVING is something that should be at the core of every believers heart, rather its in paying bills or buying food, what if you were the pastor of a church trying to keep the bills paid and your people did not want to give to help. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, is the pastor not a Brother or a man also, so why should he have to go in lack and be in need. He has bills just like everybody else but he also has a church building if you have one that needs to be taken care of. So we should not look at the pastor as someone that is excluded from the Golden rule or someone in need.

      • You are not correct that there is a mandate for any Gentile to pay tithes to get the blessing of God. Tithing was an Old covenant commandment before Jesus said Paid in full on the cross same as iT IS FINISHED. No gentile was in a covenant with God in the days of Malachi. We now have the blessing for all things based on what Jesus paid for us on the cross. If you called any Local Orthodox Synagogue you would be surprised to discover they no longer enforce the tithe law but give free will offering since no one but Levites were authorized to collect the tithes for upkeep of the Temple in Jerusalem and for the poor and the Levitical Priest which no longer exist and the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

        Jesus did not even praise the the paying Pharisee’s and they were still bound by the Old Covenant Malachi law because Jesus had not yet died or uttered the words paid in full. Christians are now free to give as they decide or purpose 2nd Corinthians 9:7
        Wish Pastors understand Grace and what happened when Jesus said Paid in full. He said Paid in full, no pay in full. God with the Son freely gives us all things read Romans 8:32 .
        We cannot be cursed over not tithing since Jesus took the curse to the cross Galatians 3:13 and Col. 2:14 No one who does not understand this should be a Pastor!

      • My comments were meant for the comment that there is a blessing on tithe payers. This is actually the opposite according to
        Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them”.
        THIS MEANS KEEP ALL 613 OF THEM ARE YOU ARE UNDER A CURSE CAUSE BREAKING ONE MEANS YOU VOID THEM ALL READ jAMES 2:10 .
        Jesus told the tithe paying Pharisees in Matthew 23:23 tithing was not even the most important law and they were still under the law since Jesus had not yet died and said Paid in full.
        Jesus help me cause these tithe police are so sickening and they hurt the poor not help the poor. The widow’s mite was a temple tax not a tithe. THE TITHE WAS PAID IN FOOD FROM LAND OWNERS ONLY! Too many bible illiterates, what a shame.

  9. Hi Marcus,

    I do respect your views. They are very traditional, and most people are taught this.

    What I was trying to point out here is that the new testament view of spiritual leaders is that they are no different than others in the congregation. In the early church, founded by the apostles, no one got paid from tithes. That was an old testament tradition and the high priest only got 1/50 of the tithe, and then he had to pay 10% of that to the temple. The priest only got that 1/50 because he was not allowed to own property – land – where he could grow his own food.

    The tithe was never meant for the church, and was only to be paid in Jerusalem at the temple there. That is where the apostles paid their tithes until they died, or the temple was destroyed. They did not receive the tithe for themselves. That was illegal. Today, not even Jews pay tithes, because there is no temple, so trying to apply this to the church is totally illegitimate.

    Church leaders in the new testament were expected to keep their regular jobs and just assist those new converts on the sabbath. For everyone, it was really a part time job, and they did it for free. Occasionally, an offering was taken if there was a need.

    So if pastors want to follow in the footsteps of the apostles, they should do the same thing. Unfortunately, today, “church” is a business, and people get paid salaries. The tithe is also a requirement for membership. I have been told many times I was expected to pay tithes or I was robbing God. This is not true, since the tithe was never required of gentiles to begin with. Christians are being taught this false teaching to promote the business of church, so that a select few can profit from the efforts.

    My opinion is that EVERY pastor should have a job and volunteer his time on Sundays. The word of God is not merchandise that you sell. I spend almost 50 hours a week on this site counseling people and helping to teach the Word of God. I have never asked for money. It would offend the Holy Spirit if I did. Pastors of any size church are wrong to demand pay, or to expect it. There are many people now NOT in church because of this exploitation.

    There is no “obedience issue” with the tithe, because it is not required to begin with. Think for a moment. Not even Jesus asked for a salary. So why do modern day preachers? Because they turned it into a business.

    I guess each church can make up their own minds what to do. But they will automatically exclude many people who cannot pay. The tithe is meant for the poor, and not the pastor. most of the time, the poor does not get much of anything, and the pastor gets paid and new buildings go up.

    So this is my view. I do respect your views as well. I just want you to understand why I say what I do.

    Just follow your heart, and do what you think is best for you.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Maryann, thank you for your hard work.
      I know God uses people like you. Many I’ve found don’t want the truth! I recently left church for many of the reasons you’ve already stated. Surpassing the pastor on knowledge, not being fed, being a bored spectator watching a performance. No it was not this way for the first three hundred of Christianity. Nothing of church today is biblical.
      Ephesians 4:11 is always thrown out.
      Nothing suggests these positions are permanent. I love how the sheep are encouraged to do the visiting and cooking and greeting and encouraging.
      The early church as you pointed out were all involved in “church ” they understood they were the church. They had no concept of going to church, the fellowship was ongoing and daily. They didn’t sit in wooden pews or chairs while one man exalted himself, while the sheep sit in adoration throwing out the “amen”.
      God called them!!!! God called us all.
      1 Corinthians 14:26,, when’s the last time we saw that in “church”?
      Some prayer groups do this as a side note, this was instruction for coming together.
      The laziness as you mention with regards to Pastors continuing to be needed in my opinion keeps them lazy. The danger when the pastor is feeding them garbage.
      The pastor is put on a pedestal. In the days of the early church where everyone participated the likelihood would be greater for one to correct the error of another. Today in church one who lacks knowledge ignorantly believes anything the pastor tells them. I have time and time again tried to explain to a fellow parishioner biblical truth only for them to doubt even scripture and instead believe the anointed pastor they’ve been brainwashed to believe was sent by God.
      The pastor appears to have an exclusive in with God. Those who have a relationship with God have much to offer each week but they’re treated like small children in a classroom. My ex-pastor has his sermon ready every single Tuesday like clockwork. He works on it Monday. God appears to work on the pastors schedule. No part of me believes he was called by God. I do not believe Gid had called any man or woman into a building to stand behind a pulpit elevating themselves and sitting on their very large chair (throne) the fact we even call a building church is not biblical, it suggests a once a week worship, it suggests that’s where we find God, we are Gods house, yet we say, let’s go to Gods house.
      It’s all a mess and perverted.
      Tithing is man made. We do not need to worry about a mortgage, heat, electricity, salaries, ectt. Because God set if up in homes for three hundred years, it was good enough then, it should be now.
      Culture and times have nothing to do with staying out of pagan temples.
      When the early church all needed to gay together they arranged to meet in a larger area. They called all the little houses “the church” meaning the people.
      They didn’t refer to fifty different churches even if it were fifty different houses, it was “the church in Jersalem”. The people. We have all been duped, God is a gentleman and when He’s called on no matter where He wil show up, that does not mean He approves which us why after the hoopla people leave, it’s kind of like eating Chinese food, fills you up but in no time your hungry again.
      Thank you for your hard work.
      Kim

      • hi kim

        yes the current church is a mess. Yet overseas, they are dying for their faith. It is a source of shame to us that the western church is so soft, ignorant and spoiled.

  10. Dear Lauren,

    Apologies. I found you in the spam section.

    When Jesus saw the widow, he was NOT showing her as an example of proper giving. He was rebuking the scribes and leaders for requiring money out of a widow, and said they were robbing her of all she had. He was NOT recommending that poor people give everything they had, when rich people could more than pay for what was needed. So he was not commending the widow. He was commenting on an unfair situation.

    see the original context:

    Mar 12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and [love] salutations in the marketplaces,
    Mar 12:39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:

    Mar 12:40 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

    Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
    Mar 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
    Mar 12:43 And he called [unto him] his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

    re: the worker is worthy of pay.

    We are all workers. The best examples are the apostles themselves, and Jesus, and Paul, NONE of whom took a salary for their work. They only took occasional free will offerings when there was a need. NONE of them got paid from a tithe.

    This is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical one. The rewards are spiritual, not money.

    blessings
    marianne

  11. We are not under the old law covenant.
    There is much written in the scriptures regarding this account, all one need do is look it up.In fact Jesus stated that the law of the profits now hinge on two new commandments, the first is to love Jehovah with your whole heart mind and strength, the second is to love your neighbor as yourself, that he came, not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law of the profits.
    This means we are no longer required to give atighting or ten percent of all we own.
    You really believe that the religious leaders are going to cut off their cash flow faucet!They are not holding true, and that is why they have lost favor with Jehovah, they are false teachers, wolves in sheep’s clothing misleading the flock.
    Since when does one go into the house of God to hear a minister encouraging the flock to vote for one political leader or another?
    How can you serve two masters, either you will prove false to the one or true to the other, can’t have it both ways.
    This comes to the subject of one holding duel citizenship, too who’s country will their loyalties lay when their counted on to vote one way or another!
    ” CAN YOU HEAR THE ANGELS CRYING “

  12. Newscruzer,

    You say some very true things. I hope others will come to understand this also.

    blessings
    marianne

  13. well done! Great article.

  14. Dear Ritdm (Kevin)

    Thank you for your kind words. May God bless your ministry, and family, in these last days.

    blessings
    marianne

  15. After reading this page I questioned God as to whether I should tithe. He answered me quickly with a yes. I do not believe in the message most pastors (esp.Charismatic ones)preach about giving. Sow your $1000 seed and God will bless you greatly. I used to believe that, when I first got saved. The widow women gave all that she had out of her want. In Matt. 23:23 (abbr.) you pay tithe of mint and anise and have omitted the weightier matters of the law these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. That last sentence is the key: not to leave the tithe undone. There have been times recently where if I gave my whole tithe, then I would come up short for the week. I went ahead and gave the whole tithe anyway and God helped me. Obedience brings blessing. In Genesis, Jacob said “I will surely give the tenth” that was before the law.Abram also gave the tenth. I believe that the pastor is our earthly Shepard .He watches over the flock and their souls, teaching them the truth of the word and preaching what the Lord has spoken to them for that hour. It is usually a confirmation of what God has been speaking to me. I don’t believe anyone can know so much that they don’t need to sit under a pastor, which God has placed in authority on Earth. In 1 Tim. 3:15 (abbr.) If I tarry long that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God which is the church of he living God the pillar and ground of the truth. Hebrews10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another and so much the more as you see the day approaching. When I go to church I am uplifted and strengthened, sometimes I feel so bad that I have to drag myself there. I always feel better when I leave. I also go to minister in music and teach the children, maybe by doing this I have helped someone. I also minister in the local jail, visit home meetings, nursing home ….wherever the Lord leads. Shannon

  16. God bless you Shannon.

    Just follow your heart. :)

    I am glad you are in a church where you are happy.

    Regarding the widow passage, if you check a few verses before, Jesus was criticizing the leaders for robbing widows. Widows are to receive the benefit of the tithe, not give it.

    May God bless you for the work you do.

    marianne

  17. Fabulous! I don’t have to write the article myself …

    There are a few comments I would like to add, first, until you (we) understand the festivals of God we cannot understand the tithe. The first festival is Shabbat. Then we can understand what real worship is and what it is not.

    2nd – Tithe is always food – but giving is not always food. We are expected to give offerings as well as tithes, but the tithes are food and the offerings are money. All of these do not support a ministry …

    3rd – The church (today) is a business and nothing Godly – shocking ! It was never meant to be a business. It was meant to be a body. A Body of believers that can come together and worship, read, study and fellowship with and for God.

    4th – all this needs to be restored and understood before Yeshua can come again – Acts 3:21. Hurry – spread the word …

    There’s so much more, but this is a great start.

  18. Hi Barb

    Thank you for your thoughtful insights. The Lord is returning for a bride without spot or wrinkle, so we certainly need to get busy, and get the spots and wrinkles out.

    blessings
    marianne

  19. Any pastor uttering ‘tithing’ (for the purpose of money to come into the church, the pastor, the program, etc.) is guilty of selling God’s word period.

    There is no excuse to use a biblical language for their own practice and benefit, no matter how noble purposes the money is to be used. It is like calling themselves as ‘Reverend’ (how reverend the mere human beings can be? Simply because they have a degree and a position by human schooling and human power organization (denominations)?

    Why can’t be honest to say ‘bring one tenth of your income’ (some even call for one tenths of one’s possession in my country). Why not ask ‘two tenth’ if the congregation needs money. (I wonder, though, why they would need that much of extortion to begin with, unless they have squandered to debt or grandiose dream of human pride). What is the result of this selling God’s word business? Church prosperity. Largest church in the world is boasted by Cho, a self successful seller of God’s Word sprinkled with wealth health and prosperity Gospel. By fruit they will be known; by words they utter they will be revealed. Tell the pastors: don’t ever say ‘tithe’. Let them be honest, responsible, and accountable.

  20. Hi Oun,

    I think the biblical language is the “icing on the cake.” as Americans say. It is thin and sweet, and makes the cake taste good.

    Misused or perverted scriptures are used to sweeten the prosperity gospel, so people will believe it.

    We do not need gimmicks to get true believers to give. We just need to touch their hearts with the truth of the situation, and ask for compassion for such needs as orphans, widows, the poor,etc. Even a legitimate expense is ok, if you are just honest about it, and don’t promise miracles for the money. Like the furnace is broken – we need to fix it. Most people can understand the truth, if they ever get to hear it. Pastors are responsible for telling the truth if there is a legitimate need.

    blessings
    marianne

  21. I thought this might be a good web site with good information but any one who is an island unto them self is out of the will of God. Your teaching has an angry tone to it and is way off base. Paul told the Philippians in chapter 4:15 that no other church shared with him in giving and receiving but them. VS 17 “Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account”. When we tithe and give we are in covenant with God, and fruit abounds to us. I tithe where I am being fed, and no I am not a milk Christian. I just made sure that I found myself a Pastor who knows more than me and is still seeking the deeper meanings of the whole Word of God; who does go out to the mission fields and lives by faith like the rest of us. Jacob vowed to tithe to God Gen 28:20-22, before the establishing of the temple. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek Gen. 14. But if you are still in denial since this is old testament, read Hebrews 7:1-9 which proves that the tithe actually goes to the great High Priest, our Lord Jesus Christ. That is where my tithe goes. My advise to you dear lady, get yourself under a good covering, submit to the word of God in truth lest you get twisted up into false doctrine.

  22. Dear Karmen,

    Thank you again for the comments. It is ok to me if people disagree. This is an open web site for discussion and disagreement. The cognitive dissonance creates thought evaluation.

    I just explain here the original purpose of tithe, and how it was to be used. The basic principles are not followed by most churches, which to me is sad. I am recommending that, if you do tithe, it should be used according to the purposes the bible teaches, and not for other things. You are supposed to sow in good soil.

    Jesus did not receive tithes. Neither did his apostles. He did accept free will offerings, and never gave a sermon on tithing. The temple tax was used to support the priests in the old testament, the tithe was only for the temple in Jerusalem. Remember they used to have to sacrifice a lot of animals, and they were required to support the poor.

    When people give to pastors in modern times, they are not necessarily giving to Jesus. The pastor is NOT Jesus. If the pastor was very observant, he would have to give up his home and car, and other worldly possessions, and live off the free will offerings of believers. Anything besides money for food, should go to the poor. He should also not own land.

    The modern church generally abuses the tithe concept, and it, for the most part, is not used for what it was intended. I speak against the abuse of the Word, not against the Word itself. I speak in preserving the Word.

    Heb 7 is talking about Abraham and Melchizedek, king of Salem.

    I do not consider myself to be an island, and I do attend a church. My covering is not a pastor, or a church, but Jesus Himself. I give willingly as He directs.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Heb. 7 is quite often misinterprited. Abram paid the tithe of his loot not of his income. He would have paid the same tithe to any king he met on his way back from such a succesful recovery of Lot and his family and others from the kings that invaded the land as a gratitude. Where you told that Abram went at any other time to tithe to Metchizedek? Were you told he paid tithe of his possesion? Curse is any one under the law. If you choose to obey the law and offend in one then you are guilty of all.

  23. Marianne…Preach it Sister..My Spirit Man is in agreement with what you have said here…I have not gone to Church in awile because I am no longer feed ..I leave hungry..I have learned more searching the word and asking God to help me grow..God is not just for an Hr. or two a week….If we feed our flesh once or twice a week we would die..The same with our Sritual walk..Christians are dead because they do not eat and the pastures are not feeding them what they need to grow..Some time we need to stop beibg spoon feed and eat on our own…Praise God..

  24. Hi Marlene,

    Thanks for the good words. It is good to hear you are a mature Christian, looking for more than “milk.” :)

    The saints are tired because they have not been fed in a long while. They just get fed recycled sermons pastors find on the internet. The Word of God should be fresh and new each day. I made a joke on this page:

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/dead-bread-in-the-church/

    Take care and be blessed
    marianne

  25. That was an wonderful article. I agree with you fully. God Bless You.

  26. Hi Golda,

    Thank you. Sometimes I feel like ducking when I see that someone has responded to this. It is a controversial topic for many. I just hope to make people think a little about it.

    blessings
    marianne

  27. ::sigh of relief:: FINALLY! I am not alone in this! Glory to God for those of us who are not afraid to stand for the truth! I am getting alot of resistance to this topic since I have been researching and praying about it myself. I’d much rather send a tenth (or more) to a poor widow in Israel KNOWING that she will be fed for that month than to help pay for my (former) Pastor’s New Mercedes Benz!!!! Ha!

  28. Hi Sila,

    thank you. I guess you would guess I am not too popular around churches. As one pastor said, church is a business now. When he said that, I left. Yes, you can do more direct good by helping people directly. This is the biblical way of charity..feed the poor, visit the sick, give water to the thirsty….personal contacts.

    blessings
    marianne

  29. ..whatsoever u do to the least (poor, needy, widowed, disabled etc) of my brothers that u do unto me…these words from Jesus sum up the separation of sheep from goats. they are relevant in the tithing debate whenever christians cannot go beyond paying a mandatory tithe..there is never enough left over to cater for the ‘least of MY BROTHERS’ as stated in the scripture. The problem is that today’s church is a business with an ever-escalating expense (at the cost of poor congragants) that there is a temptation NOT TO REPENT FOR ENFORCING AN OUTDATED LAW. Christ did all at Calvary and no tithe ca ADD or SUBTRACT FROM THE FINISHED WORK OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST! both pastors and congregants find themselves in a CTACH 22 situation where they are not willing to be condemned for doing right but they would rather fake contentment as long as they gain FLESHLY APPROVAL…God bless u

  30. HI victor

    The tithe was originally supposed to go to the poor, but in these modern times, the church expects the state to do this. It spends on its own programs, and neglects the poor, like you said.

    In my area, you cannot get any help for the poor directly from a church. They will refer you to a social services agency. They will not offer. They will ask where you go to church, and tell you to go there. It does not matter if your own church is small, with no money, or if your own church rejects you, the other church still will not help you.

    Sad, isn’t it?

    The church has failed in America. I cannot speak about other countries.

    blessings
    marianne

  31. I am a fairly new Christian and I have a deep desire to have a relationship with the Lord. I come from a very broken family, and neither of my parents has ever lived for God. I left home at a very young age and met my husband shortly after who was raised in the church, and I gave my life to God when we married. My husband and I now have two children and now more than ever I’ve had a burning desire to really know the Lord, I just don’t really know how. My husband is in the military and we just relocated to or current location. We have joined a church but I don’t feel like we are being properly feed and I feel like the women at the church are not really connected like we should be as women of God, we’re all just consumed with our own lives. My pastor’s wife told me that I just need to focus on God and not the women of the church, and I think she misunderstood my concern. Anyway, I was just doing some research online about tithing because, my husband and I just bought a house. I was actually working fulltime for a bit and felt like was I losing my mind and could no longer stand my children going to the sitter for 10 hours a day, I was in agony and asked the Lord for guidance. The Lord told me to resign from my job and raise my two young children and also be more of a support to my husband, and my husband also felt the same in his spirit. So I left my job and I’m at peace with it, but now money is tight, especially with a mortgage now. We can’t really afford to tithe right now and I’ve been feeling such guilt about it, they’ve been times when I didn’t go to church out of shame because we weren’t able to tithe. Just tonight after coming home from church I thought to myself “there must be a better way, this is not of God, this is not right”. So I ran into your site while researching the origins of the tithe, and I am so sad right now, I am still confused in some aspects because our pastor just told us that we need to be tithing off of our gross income because I’ve always thought that it was the reasonable thing to tithe off of the net. So I calculated how much 10% of our gross income is and it’s not doable right now, and I’m just torn about this issue.
    So as I’m typing this message to you with a heavy heart I want to ask you how can I become that mature Christian that you mention again and again? Because I’m not gaining the same knowledge about the original purposes of the tithe and the purpose of the pastor to the church just from reading my bible. Where do I go and what do I read to find out about those things that aren’t necessarily in the bible, but have so much to do with it?

    Last question, as I mentioned before my family members are not Christians and I tend to receive lots of ridicule for me choosing to go to church and live for the Lord. My mother really told me off the other day and laughed at me for giving money to the church. I don’t have found memories of my childhood but I want to be a reflection of Christ to my family. I love my parents and I really want my kids to know who there grandparents are, but at the same time I feel like I need to protect them from the negativity and the coldness that has been a family plague. I believe that there has been a curse on my family that the Lord has broken off of me and the generations to come, but I do believe that the environment in still so unhealthy. So my question is to what extent does “honor thy mother and thy father” apply to these situations? Am I obligated to withstand certain treatment and be in certain environments because they are my parents or can I love them from a distance? What is your take? Thanks in advance for your time.

    -Maggie

  32. Dear Maggie,

    From your letter, you are already more mature than you think. Tithing today is an abused law that is twisted by the church in order to stay in business. Not even the Jews tithe now, because there is no temple in Jerusalem. Only the temple tax is used for synagogue support, which is about $500 – 800 a year per household. The rest is voluntary offerings.

    1. purpose of the tithe – It originally was for the poor. The law did not collect tithes from the poor, or the needy (low income), but GAVE to the poor from what was brought in. It was only collected once a year, not every week. It did not go to a pastor’s salary, personal car, a building program, or to pay a mortgage on the temple. There are 2 posts on tithing. Be sure you read both of them. one is more extensive. The tithe was old testament law, when there was a theocracy, and no other taxes. We are now under grace. We just give from our hearts as we are able. The “10% of gross salary” is a lie. It is not in the bible anywhere.

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/108/

    http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tithing-for-jews-and-christians-for-internet-pdf-conversion.pdf

    2. maturity – this comes with a full commitment to Christ and a knowledge of the scriptures that is sufficient to support one’s faith. You do not have to memorize the bible first. You just have to be able to search out topics you need to get the correct information. Remember the early apostles were most likely in their 20’s, and they were ready to go out and preach. It only took a few years to train them. Remember bible schools are only 2 years long.

    3. original purpose of a pastor – this was to train the new converts, who were usually gentiles, since the Jews already had religious education since they were young. once the new converts were trained, they went out and preached also. The pastor afterward was just a support system and friend. The pastor was never paid a salary. The bible said that everyone had to work and contribute. Staying in one church one’s entire life, listening to, and paying, one man to teach you things you already knew after a while, was unheard of. new converts became mature in a short time, and they went out on their own ministries.

    “gifts” were not for the chosen few, but for everyone to use to bring in new converts.

    4. how to resolve your Christianity with your family. I would first stay home from the church you are with. I am sure it has some good points, but the pastor is out of line, and is typical of the materialistic orientation of today’s churches. Read the bible carefully, starting with the new testament, and study it carefully. Take notes. You can visit other churches, but do not settle in until you find the one that matches what you read.

    Let your family know that you are looking for the REAL Jesus, and the REAL Christian faith, and not just something people see on Tv. I think your honest search, and your avoidance of any false teachings, will send the signal to the family that you are REAL too.

    Most unbelievers are turned off by what they see on TV, and they should be turned off. Everything on TV is about money. In time, they will appreciate the wisdom that you are collecting. This is because you will be about Jesus, and not money. They will see it in your life.

    They may never go to a church, but they may eventually start listening to what you have to say, because they will know you are going to the original source, and coming up with a pure knowledge of the faith.

    5. you are always welcome to contact me. I was in the church for 50 years, and then I left. I realized I was more mature and bible knowledgeable than the pastors. I needed fresh bread, not stale bread.

    blessings
    marianne

    • I saw Maggie’s post and I just want to encourage her to listen to you and hang on. She will be spared heartache.
      I am trying to undo seven years of brainwash. Maggie wondered how she will know? You were correct to point out that she is already more mature than she realizes. Seven years ago I had her questions because the Holy Spirit put them there, but I ignored God and listened to pastors and other Christians I assumed were more mature than me. Sad but true those who’ve been in the institutional church for a long time are the last people to ask, yet that’s where we go. When we search and clearly Maggie is God gives us the truth. We think because we don’t yet know all the scriptures that we need to check with everybody else. The bible is truly the word of God however I worship the giver not the gift. Scriptures have and always will be twisted to suit a particular group or need. Most Christians simply cannot believe that Jesus really did care if it ALL on the cross, humans simply must believe they have a part and they really don’t. The true love of God will put genuine desires in us to naturally do for God but God does it and already did it all without our help and certainly without us paying for it. The woman who claimed she heard anger, speaking for myself there’s still much anger in me. I’m still in pain while detoxing from the religious rituals that, though God loves us He detests rituals. I pray for Maggie continues to listen to the Holy Spirit and know she is hearing from Him now, not after she’s done memorizing scripture.
      There was no scripture for the early church and they all were led by the Spirit and the bible did not replace Gods Spirit. Maggie just needs to stay in prayer, I hope she stays out of church until God gives her the okay. God is amazing and He will send Christians her way. I’m praying for God to send them my way because for now it’s doubtful I will ever sit in a pew staring at the back if a head listening to one man who somehow has come to believe God needs him to speak to the little sheep. I pray for Maggie!
      God Bless, Kim

  33. this i s good the best i have seen thank you

  34. Dear Elder Austin,

    Thank you for the nice complement. I hope you have a nice Christmas season, and you find many blessings where you are at.

    marianne

  35. Luke, do you suggest a section called Jeremiah 3:15-17 refers to the past and only the past? Perhaps I have not read much in here and you will reply by email. -Jacob (atruthsearcher@aol.com)

  36. Hi Jacob,

    I have let Luke know that you have left him a message.

    blessings
    marianne

  37. Marianne,
    Thank you!

  38. Marianne, what if pastors do not use the tithes for themselves, but use it for missions and the spreading of the gospel. Is there a scripture in the New Covernant to support this with out violating Gal: 3:10, which states that there is a curse on those who are under the works of the law and obligate to do one thing under the law and not all -(paraphase). What exactly are they curse with here?

  39. Hi Ella,

    What is really important is that the money is spent on things that God considers important. Missions and spreading of the gospel are appropriate uses of the money. In this case, it does not matter what name (tithe, offering, etc) is used for the money.

    blessings
    marianne

  40. Of course, what a great site and informative posts, I will add backlink – bookmark this site? Regards, Reader.

  41. Tithing predates the law. Abraham gave a tenth before there was a law. Even though the book of Proverbs is written in the Old Testament, Proverbs is not a book of law, but a book of principles. Proverbs 3: 9, 10 says, ” Honor the LORD with your possessions, and with the firstfruits of all your increase; so your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will overflow with new wine.” This is not law; it’s a principle. Galatians 3:24,25 says, “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, but after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor (law).” Under the law, people were “tutored” to give a tenth. Hebrews 8:6 says, “But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.” We are under a better covenant; however, not being under the law does not mean we are exempt from the principles of Gods Word. Even in Malachi, 3:10 when it talks about bringing the tithe into the storehouse, the Word does not say, “… bring the tithe into the temple,” or “bring the tithe into the synagogue.” God says, “… that there may be food in My house.” The storehouse is where the food is stored and dispensed. Today, it is the local church. If every Christian believed they did not have responsibility to give (at least a tenth, and whatever your faith directs beyond that), no church would survive. The difference between the tithe in the Old Testament and the New is that, in the Old Testament, you were obligated to give. In the New Testament, you’re expected to use your faith to give. We’re expected to believe that “Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness” (2 Corinth. 9:10); and “He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.” (2Corinth. 9:6-8) The church does not provide a fee for service, like a bank or a supermarket. It exists solely on the offerings of its members. Tithing is the manifestation of the principles of giving found in the book of Proverbs and throughout the New Testament. If you can’t trust the Lord with your money, what makes you think you can trust Him with your life? I’m not a pastor, but I am a tither. I find that most people who preach against tithing never give anything. My wife and I have 9 children, three in College, and we’re debt free. We are middle income and simply use our faith to give and to operate under the principles of God’s Word. If using your faith were easy, everyone would do it. It involves trusting God that He will do what He says He will do in His Word. Set a goal to give a tenth. Tell God what your goal is and “prove” His faithfulness. (Malachi 3: 10) Start with what you can give in faith and whatever is returned to you beyond your regular earnings, give a tenth to Him. This includes raises, promotions, birthday or holiday money, graduation money, known savings on repairs because of a great deal, etc. Once you realize you can trust a living God with your finances, no one will ever convince you that you should not be tithing.

  42. Hi Robert,

    You are just regurgitating the current un-biblical application of the tithe by the modern church. The tithe is only for certain times, and uses, and the church is totally out of line for redefining the tithe. Not even the Jews tithe, because it is only for at the temple in jerusalem and when/ if it gets rebuilt, the tithe is to be EATEN by the bringer, and shared with the poor. it is not to be given to an organization so the pastor can get paid.

    I have given my whole life, so i already understand the sales pitch for the tithe. I consider this modern misuse and intentional wrong definition of the tithe an abomination. The poor does get my money, and I probably give more to the poor than any church I have been in. I have seen my local churches spend the money on themselves, and ignore the poor who knocks on their door.

    You need to learn how God instructed the Jews to tithe, and forget what your prosperity preacher tells you. I encourage you to go back, and read the original directions, instead of just accepting at face value what man tells you. They are misusing scripture to benefit financially.

    http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tithing-for-jews-and-christians-for-internet-pdf-conversion.pdf

    I am also debt free. I obey God, not man.

    Take time to research this. There are many, many sincere people who tithe and are very poor. They cannot make the claims you do. So God only rewards a few people? Most Christians who tithe are not debt free.

    blessings’
    marianne

  43. Robert,

    I want to apologize. I responded in a way that was too rough. It is just that I have seen many families, and individual’s lives, destroyed by the very message you presented. You may have meant well. So I acknowledge that.

    marianne

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  47. Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. Psalm 119:165

    • Hi Chris,

      Not sure what you were meaning. I am very familiar with that verse.

      There are true offenses, which we can discuss, and evaluate, and then there is our response to the offenses.

  48. Informative and entertaining. I’ve added your blog to my “reading material.” Keep me updated!

    • Hi nurse scrubs

      I appreciate your comments. I send updates about every 1-2 weeks. I will put you on my email list. Have a great day.

  49. mmmm…….. fasciinating. I thought this issue of tithing was in Kenya alone but alas. Men of God are doing us a disservice by making us empty our pockets and live from hand to mouth just to enrich themselves. I am yet to see a man of God (these sides) use the tithe to feed the poor, unfortunately some say the man of God is always right so you can never correct them but only ask God to correct them.

  50. Marianne,

    My husband and I agree with you on this issue and found this article very informative and true to the word of God. A decade ago the Holy Spirit led us to the truth and delivered us from bondage. We now give freely because that is what Jesus instructed us to do. No rules, no amounts, no pressure, no quilt, just pure Joy, knowing that God loves a cheerful giver. To give under compulsion is not ‘giving’ at all.

    Your sense of humor is a breath of fresh air on a hot humid afternoon in mid-summer.

    God bless your work for the kingdom.

  51. Marianne,

    The Lord Yeshua has truly opened your eyes that you might see and that you might blow the shofar of warning against those in error who defile themselves in the pursuit of filthy lucre and use their congregations as merchandise. The Lord will judge these false shepherds and hirelings for they have led the sheep to wolves to be devoured as prey. I do not marvel at this, knowing full well that even Satan can transform himself into a Minister of Light. Satan dwells openly now within these Churches finding a home among the spiritually dead and blind, for those that attend these Churches also desire the things of the flesh or carnal desires equating wealth with holiness.

    I commend you Marianne on your brave stand and may the Lord God of Creation bless you richly in wisdom and knowledge of his Word which is our Bread of Life. For the Word of God was made flesh and did dwell among us. Blessings to all that heed this truth, for the chains of bondage that are now present among the Body of Christ must now be broken that we might prepare ourselves for the coming of the Bridegroom.

  52. You know what really upsets me. In a lot of “pentecostal churches” today they have gigantic thermometer or a humungus sign that tells the people how much the church owes for the mortgage. What the people have paid and what is still owing on the building because some pastor has decided he needs a biggar church. They serve the God of mammon. Then they sing songs of what a sinner I am and hang Jesus back up on the cross. We are in deep deep trouble. Where are the prophets in in all of this or should I say, “where are the profits” in this?

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  54. As a recovering former tither (about 30 yrs!), I so agree with this article. But wow, you’re being really hard on pastors and assuming the worst motives. Of all the pastors I’ve had or known, I have yet to find one that’s truly lazy. Nor do I buy that just because they teach tithing, they’re being greedy (altho I’m sure there are some). I believe most of them are as sincere as their tithing members; they’re simply teaching what they were taught. And I think a lot of their testimonies of tithing promoting their prosperity (which seems to validate it), are lumping tithing together w/ real giving.

    I’ve watched tithers for years, and most of them always struggled financially. It was the GIVERS among them, that had unusual prosperity. My eyes were opened to this in the book, “The Tithe That Binds” (don’t have the author, but it can be Googled).

    • hi cindy

      thanks for your comment, to balance the view here.

      I know many sincere tithers, and many sincere pastors.

      My concern is that, sincere or not, all are in a trap, and not understanding the true nature and purpose for tithing. It has become a tradition, and no one questions it. In many churches, you cannot even belong there unless you tithe.

      People need to go back to the OT and re-read all about it. It was only for the high priest, so they could share in the meal of the tither, and help the poor. There were no salaries or housing allowances.

      Pastors are not high priests in Jerusalem. They are not levites, and the tithe is only brought to levites.

      the tithe has no place in gentile worship. Christian giving is based on free will offerings.

      The secret as you say, is that god rewards a giver, not a forced tither.

      Since the tithe is for the poor, then the poor should not pay tithes, but receive them.

  55. Hi Marianne,

    My husband and I go to a small church of less than 15 people. This church teaches,”We are not held under the tithing law. But, we should be tithing anyway.”

    The pastor has a way of making you feel guilty if you don’t. This is confusing. Our pastor is getting paid a full-time salary but not working full-time ministry. He gets paid about $3000,00 a month which goes towards the church bills and the rest goes to the pastor and his family. Also note that once in a while the pastor’s wife complains to the ladies during women’s bible study that the tithing pot is pretty pitiful and she always talks about how she got her clothes at the Goodwell.

    Is this comment suppose to make us feel guilty?

    Does this seem wrong?

    KY

    • hi KY

      They, like most, are taking advantage of you, and trying to make you feel guilty. You do not owe them anything. I get clothes at good will. It is a good deal, and shows I am smart with my money.

      $3000 a month is outrageous. 15 people do not create that much in bills. There should not be a building in this case, since everyone should fit in the living room.

      They are in it for the money. What are they teaching that is so revolutionary, or profound, or miraculous that they should get money for it?

      Jesus did not die a bloody death on the cross so that people could make money off his death.

      This is one big reason why you never see me asking for money, or putting a “DONATE” button on my site. It is spiritual prostitution. So far, I have had 973,652 (close to one million) hits on my site in 2 years, I have answered close to 20,000 comments, written over 350 posts, answered numerous phone calls, and never once asked a soul to give me money or complain about not having new clothes.

      All this in 2 years. I spend over 60 hours a week here too. I also sponsor a child overseas. I live on a tiny income that most could not make it on, because GOD, not man, provides my daily bread. I am satisfied. Why can’t they manage on multiple, large incomes?

      Jesus did not pull a salary, and he was full time. The apostles did not get one either, and they were so devoted they sacrificed their own lives for the gospel. Any money in offerings went to the poor.

      “Church” today is a business, not a calling from God.

      Jesus has commanded us to get out of Babylon (false religious system) and be part of the Bride of Christ.

      I know fellowship is important for most people, but you should not have to pay for it.

    • You can get some deals at the Good Will, and that store helps people, so whats wrong with that!
      I was a time share salesman and had to dress in dress shirts, suit jacket and tie, can you guess were i shopped?
      No… Sakes Fifth Avenue silly!
      Just kidding, and I looked sharp and never spent more than $20.00 for everything, so that poor pastors wife should complain should she, shame on the preacher and his misses.
      Seems they need to learn how to eat and enjoy humble pie

  56. I really like your blog. I have been researching the topic and will add you to my reader to continue reading. Keep up the good work! Others need to know about your site.

  57. I agree that tithing is abused in many churches. However, proportionate giving is still a Biblical concept and is found both in the Book of Acts (Acts 4:34) and the Church Epistles (1 Corinthians 16:2). Moving God’s Word requires money, and it is the believer’s responsibility to provide in this category (Read 2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9)

    Giving and receiving is a spiritual law. When we give with a willing heart, it opens the door for God to bless us back. Malachi 3: 10-12. Yes, this is Old Testament. However, many similar promises are found in the Gospels and Epistles. This implies that these promises did not end on the Day of Pentecost. I have seen many blessings in my life because of my faithful giving in the material category.

    The next question is, to whom should you give your financial offerings? Tithes are best planted where the rightly divided Word is being taught and lived.

    Marianne made a good point that a good church should offer avenues for spiritual growth as well as being outreach-minded and a fertile ground for newly born again believers to grow in the Word. Once that environment is found, tithing and abundant sharing (above 10%) is a vital part of a believer;s spiritual growth in that environment.

  58. A very interesting site. I have done a lot of thinking about this issue lately. I am a member of a church where there seems to be a lot of pressure for more giving. I am widowed and on a very limited income – trying to keep my head above water. I own my house and a 15 year old car. I have a budget, and it does not even come close to balancing out with my necessary expenses.

    Our pastor called everyone last year under the guise of making things more personal. The questions asked were: What makes you excited about the church, what new programs would you like to see, do you have a faith story to share? And the last question: Will you promise to prayerfully support the church with your time, talents and treasures?

    This all happened after our annual meeting in which he felt we needed to take in more money. I told him that I felt that putting pressure on people took away being able to worship God in giving what they could cheerfully give. Pledge cards were sent to my house 3 times. I told him that once was plenty – that if someone didn’t return the first card, they were probably making a statement that they didn’t wish to, or that they felt they couldn’t pledge. He also put in the bulletin how many people gave $40, $200, $600 a month (names were not listed). I have a hard time understanding why people need to know that.

    So, this year after our annual meeting in which the church budget was tight, he came up with the brainstorm of dividing all families up into pairs, and those pairs would be asked to contact each other with the same questions he had asked last year. He just wanted everyone to have the joy of those one-on-one conversations.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t feel comfortable doing that. He only suggested it when he felt the church needed more money. It is extremely uncomfortable to call people you don’t know and start asking them those questions!

    I am beginning to feel like I really shouldn’t go to church, if I can’t afford to give more than I give. I hate this time of year and the pressure.

    If he wants people to call others, it seems more christian to call and see if anyone had needs that people in the church could help out with – rather than putting them on a guilt trip if they can’t give what is expected.

    • Dear Maxine

      It sounds like this place is not good for you at all.

      The tithe was originally food, not money.

      It was to be distributed to the widows and the poor.

      Nowadays, it is the poor and widows that pay the tithes.

      This is backwards, and wrong.

  59. Very informative,I go by newscruzer1 and my web page is newscruzer, so when I saw this I had to to ask how long you’ve been using the name newsscruzer,and what your decision was in choosing that as your user name, where you reside?
    It’s good to see someone point out the true teaching of Christianity.
    What is your take on the Zionist movement?
    Also your belief in separation of church and state.
    What would you have to say regarding people who profess to be leaders in the Christian faith, those like, farwell, baker, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton?

  60. Jesus came to fulfill the law of the profits, and gave two new commandments, saying, ” I came not to destroy the law of the profits but to fulfill them, and the two new commandments i give you hinge on the old law(Ten Commandments)
    The first is to love Jehovah your God with all your soul, strength and mite, the second is to love your neighbor as yourself.”
    The tightening was done away with, you give what you resolve in your heart to give, no longer are Christian commanded to give 10%.
    I could take the time and quote those passages, but you could also look them up for yourself.
    if your inclined to make me prove what I have just stated, then let me know and I will take the time and do so.
    peace be with you

  61. I really enjoy your blog posts. I have been researching the topic for some time now and the information is on point. I am going to add you to my google reader. Keep up the good work!

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  63. Tithing was part of the old law convent.
    Jesus fulfilled the old law and gave two new commandments, he said, “I came not to destroy the law of the Profits, but to fulfill”,
    The first is to love Jehovah your God with your whole heart strength and might, and the second is to love your neighbor as yourself and on these two new commandments the laws of the profits henge.Matt.5:17,
    Also Gal.3:24,25 and Gal.5:14
    There is much to be said on this subject.Read, in Matt. 5:20 where Jesus is saying.” I say to you that if your righteousness does not abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens.
    We give what we resolve in our hearts to give.
    Do you truly believe that the scribes and pharisees in Jesus day were pleased to hear that there would be no more collecting of money in the temples,”The House of God”!
    The jig was up and they were pissed!
    So is it not then reasonable to believe that the Pharisees had something to do with having Jesus put to death!
    Get real, if a person came along disrupting your money flow, claiming to be the son of God, telling people that they no longer were commanded to give tithing’s “money” to the temple that you wouldn’t be wanting his head!
    Seems were living in a time period where everyone is battling for control of the other persons mind, to take control of people’s thought and beliefs.
    The scriptures say, “By their fruits you will know them”
    Today churches are doing anything to attract souls into their fold.
    You like rock music, there is a church that will offer that, you perhaps believe that people should be able to behave in any manner of their choosing, without any rules, well there is a church for you as well, or perhaps one that has a woman minister, or gay or liberal, left wing, or right wing mind set when it comes to politics.
    You get the point!
    When a child is born of loving and caring parents, those parents want to see that child grow and develop to be all that they can be, to fulfill their potential.
    When the child errors in his or her way while growing,is it reasonable to think a loving parent would beat that child repeatedly, forever and ever because of the child’s wrong doing?
    Then why would we believe that a loving God would burn someone in a burning fire forever and ever!
    The teaching of such a punishment is false, just are many of the church’s teachings.
    Take the word hell.
    The Hebrew word Sheol translated is grave, the Greek word for grave is Hades.
    You’ve heard the expression,”hotter than Hades?”
    The English translation from the Greek word is hell.
    So when you read that word Hades, it’s saying “grave”
    the English translation is said to be a very poor translation of the Greek word hell.
    T dictionary says this: Hades (noun), the abode of the dead in Greek mythology(hell)

  64. Hi Marianne!

    I found your website while looking for help in dealing with a Jezebel spirit and learning how the thing operates and get the person free from it. I have enjoyed what I have read so far on your site. I read just a little bit of this article but I will say that the only Shepherd I now have in my life is my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I follow only Him now and obey only His voice and He has taught me what i could never have learned under the ‘leadership’ of men.

    I see it this way: The end is coming and if we don’t know how to hear the voice of our beloved Saviour how will we survive when there are no churches to attend and no pastors to tell us what the ‘will’ of God is? We need to learn to be HIDDEN in Christ.

    May the LORD bless you in Spirit and in Truth. Thank you for creating this website.

  65. Wow, I was not taught this in any church I attended. Just like you said I was taught to give and if I didn’t I was going to hell and God wouldn’t bless me. I was a single mom for 20 years before I got married, and then married a man who is on Disability now, and we are still being taught to Tithe regarless. AND I DON’T EVEN WORK and haven’t work in 2 years because of spinal stenosis and spinal surgery. I am glad I read this and I know better, not that I don’t want to pay a tithe, but I don’t want to be lied to about paying it. Thanks for the information

    • hi Laurie

      If the church wants to follow the law, then it should be helping you, not the other way around. The church is to help the needy, and not take money away from them.

  66. I really enjoyed reading, it give more inside not to rely on what men say, but what the High Priest Jesus says we should do. we r accountable to God and no men.

    Thank you

  67. Marianne, I’m drinking my morning coffee and reading some of your earlier posts. My heart is blessed from reading your discussiona concerning many of our contemporary church traditions. AS a longstanding Baptist/Methodist blend Christian, I agree 100% with all you’ve said concerning tithing, salaried church offices, and so forth. AS you said, everything we have belongs to God. But tradition runs deep and fierce. When I am questioned by firm traditionalists about my belief on the subject of tithing and pastor worship (lol), I remember that I once saw it the same as they. So I usually just change the subject. When they are ready to know…God will teach them.

    Again, thank you for being open to things of God. My heart is encouraged.

    Carolyn

  68. Your blog is totally on point. I have found myself since 2007 researching this topic. And I just can’t figure out why people are so brainwashed and clueless in the body of Christ. One thing is to only know what you have been taught but then for the evidence to be pointed out (which is truly common sense) makes me wonder if a special koolaid had been past out during communion if you know what I mean. J/K. But on a serious note you have to want to stay blind to the fact to not see truth when it’s starring you in the face. I wish you many blessings on your journey to help people to understand the gospel. Truly what you bring to the people is the good news (Free at last Free at last thank God almighty we are free at last).

    Love you in Yeshua the Christ

    Clarise

    • hi Clarise

      I am glad you are free of this. It does not stop us from freely giving when we see a need. So when we give, it is from the heart. God bless you.

  69. This is not trustable, what you wrote.
    1) There are no Bible verses, just some big paper wrote with own meanings….
    2) remember, that we live in 21st century, so something is changed from Old testament and there will not be the same money gathering and distribution as in Old Testament. It needs to get Old and New together.
    3) It is subjective to say that pastors do not work all week as pastors…Our pastor and other I had and how I see what they do:
    1) preparing for a GOOD sermon, listening, writing, it needs really much time
    2) Prayer meeting once a week
    3) Leaders meeting once a week
    4) Sermon all day with driving from one city to other takes all that day
    5) books writing when Holy Spirit asks
    6) Some time ago he was also going in another city to give a sermon,too, so it is another day full
    7) Man group leading once a week I guess or maybe not,don’t know now…
    8) First of all PRAYER TIME for pastor needs to be the biggest, for him-4 hours a day…
    9) once a month big leader meeting

    I thing it is enough for working person, I see that he has more that 8 hours of working or leading something a week, and he was working before he had so big church as we have now…but just he could not do it anymore…

    • dear Ania,

      How your pastor operates is fine, if you think he works full time.

      In America, it does not happen this way.

      I do not know of any pastor that prays 4 hours a day. Most efforts are part time.

      Meetings once a week are part time efforts, the same effort that his congregation makes.

      If he is listening to the holy spirit, he can put together a sermon in a few hours, or as little as a few minutes, if he is really inspired.

      Usually when it takes longer, he is using his own efforts and thoughts, instead of the holy spirit.

    • dear Ania,

      How your pastor operates is fine, if you think he works full time.

      In America, it does not happen this way.

      I do not know of any pastor that prays 4 hours a day. Most efforts are part time.

      Meetings once a week are part time efforts, the same effort that his congregation makes.

      If he is listening to the holy spirit, he can put together a sermon in a few hours, or as little as a few minutes, if he is really inspired.

      Usually when it takes longer, he is using his own efforts and thoughts, instead of the holy spirit.

  70. Interestingly, the only folkwho dont think its wrong are the thieves themselves. I firmly rebuked this evil folks, and im surprised i have ended up like Martha Moxley.

  71. Without the tithe, fake Christianity would wither and die.

  72. I am glad I came across this blog. I used to tithe as well and although I did not have any problems financially while tithing, I was having problems spiritually. I did not know why I was tithing, and I did not feel as if the tithe was being used properly. So i spent a month or two looking it up in the Word. As stated clearly on here, tithe was used for a different purpose at a different time. It is in the Word. Tithe is explained fully in the Bible. What it is supposed to be and what is supposed to be done with it. However, for the preacher that teach tithe, most never preach the “what is supposed to be done with it.” That seems to be the mystery area. They teach all about how much and why you are supposed to give them, but nothing is said how they are to be used. I’ve done by research and have prayed about it, and see where Tithe today is not biblical. For me the main reason is this. How can you pluck out Tithing as the only part of the Law you still engage in. What about the feasts? What about the sacrifices? Did not all of these work in conjunction under the law? I believe that they did and you can’t have one without the other. It does not take a pastor to understand this. But I think some pastors are so blind by wanting to do the right thing, that they only preach what they are taught, and do not let the Holy Spirit guide them to all truth.

    Also, from time to time I like to engage in biblical conversation on facebook. Please visit my page and weigh in on the most recent topic. It is important that the saints come to an agreement on biblical standpoints. Only in agreement can we be the church God wants us to be.. Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of One heart and of One soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

    • hi Mr. Ray

      Jesus did not abolish the law. He fulfilled it and properly explained it.

      As you say, getting the proper interpretation is important.

      The tithe was a sacrificial meal, where the tither had a communion meal with God 1-3 x a year. So he ate the tithe. This was to bring him closer to God, and help the poor.

      This is now replaced with the communion meal.

      The feasts were not “laws”….they were feasts or holidays of the Lord…they were to be celebrated….even the day of atonement, since on that day, the gates of heaven were opened as they repented, and their sins were forgiven. Forgiveness was celebrated, as they were inscribed in the book of life for another year.

      I will try to stop by your facebook page. Hope others do as well.

  73. be careful how you teach. be careful of your doctrine. sometimes we think we are too smart to out smart God but the coming judgement will reveal what kind of preachers we were. For every single word you speak, you will be judged so make sure your teachings and doctrine are sound. Heretic teachings have always been there in almost every generation but woo to him that teaches such.

    • dear mpundu

      There is no heresy here. But this has become such a financially profitable false doctrine that churches will never let go of it. If they were to abandon it, they would have to go back to the way Jesus preached the gospel.

      The tithe is only for the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Even the Jews do not tithe now because there is no temple. They only give offerings.

      The early apostles never collected tithes, but only accepted occasional offerings that were offered, and not asked for. They all had jobs, and expected everyone in the church to work. They took care of widows, instead of requiring money from them.

      The tithe is not for gentiles or the church. It is food, not money. It is a private communion meal with God, not finances for someone’s salary and the light bill. The modern gentile tithe system has completely prostituted the true meaning of the tithe.

      Instead of accepting conclusions given you by others, read the bible, and find this out for yourself.

      http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tithing-for-jews-and-christians-for-internet-pdf-conversion.pdf

      more reading on this site….hope that helps.

  74. Yes,
    I agree with the Biblical concept on tithing expecially as it is stated by Prophet Malachi. Whosoever that does not tithe steals from God. And definitly there are punishments for non comformity on the practice of tithe. I as An Anglican minister in Church of Nigeria Anglican Communion declares that my people and i will continue to obey God through tithing. to avoid the wrath of GOd upon us.
    Also, there are lots of blessings upon those that pay tithe, so i stand to say that the issue of tithe should not be over emphasised but must be teach, adopt, and practice.

    Atueyi S.C. Stanley (West Africa Theological Seminary-Lagos)
    Mobile Phone: 08064140183

  75. Yes,
    I agree with the Biblical concept on tithing expecially as it is stated by Prophet Malachi. Whosoever that does not tithe steals from God. And definitly there are punishments for non comformity on the practice of tithe. I as An Anglican minister in Church of Nigeria Anglican Communion declares that my people and i will continue to obey God through tithing. to avoid the wrath of GOd upon us.
    Also, there are lots of blessings upon those that pay tithe, so i stand to say that the issue of tithe should not be over emphasised but must be teach, adopt, and practice.

    Atueyi S.C. Stanley (West Africa Theological Seminary-Lagos)
    Mobile Phone: 08064140183

    God bless you for that

  76. I applaud your boldness to speak the truth (in love). I too, have had to listen to relentless accusation of being disobedient to “God’s word” for not tithing!

    Enough is enough! “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matt 15:9

    The days of the “organized church” is at hand. Find a good HOME church and share freely with each other. We all will be going back to the New Testament way of church very soon!

  77. Wow! God bless you all.! I love reading this. I have had eye opening experiences myself recently. I’ve been a “tither” for many years. The Holy Spirit has spoken to me recently. I would love for anyone to listen to the sermon I listened to last Sunday. Marianne especially. I would love to get feedback. This pastor is young, like 33. Been pastoring this church for already 6 years. He’s very enthousiastic. The week prior, he said that he would be disclosing financial records next week. Marianne, please take the time to watch this, and let me know what you feel.

    I have more to say, but I’ll wait till I have time. Maybe you guys will have watched it by then.

    Thanks and God Bless you all !!!!

    http://vimeo.com/34797720

    • hi ann

      that is a typical presentation for pastors to draw money from people.

      I have heard that many times.

      there is a difference between giving to God, and giving to the pastor.

      he is not jesus.

      most churches spend the money on the buildings and salaries….

      the apostles did not get a salary, and they did not build buildings with large expenses.

      so, in general, I would still not agree, no matter how enthusiastic the speaker is….I would give money if it was being transferred to someone in need.

      this pastor is materialistic. he even admitted he had 30 pairs of shoes. why? because his salary allows him to spend money like that….salary provided by the church….so that money was not spent on the poor, but on his vanity.

      while he used certain scriptures out of context to support his views, he ignores scriptures that chastise priests who pray for gain, and prophets who divine for money. the money issue with God is those who serve God because they get paid, and they would not be doing it for free. god intentionally stated that the priesthood would not have any land, or inheritance…just HIM…..this is to keep them pure from the greed for money, and make them holy before HIM.

      this pastor is using the usual guilt trip to get people to give money. he is just being nice about it…..he is a good salesman.

      99.999 % of all pastors now work for a salary…..and would not be preaching if they did not get paid…..they would have a regular job. the bible does not require a church to support a mans’ salary just because he talks about God. the tithe normally goes to the salary first, then other salaries, then bills,…….

      we are ALL supposed to preach the gospel, if we are saved.

      if we let one person do our jobs for us, then we are guilty of negligence.

      giving is an individual decision and responsibility. If you can determine that the offering is going to someone in need, or a legitimate purpose, like bibles, then go ahead. if it is going into a general fund for some obscure reason, then I would hold back. for example, I give to a ministry that digs water wells in africa….I also give to my local homeless shelter. I will also give to a poor mother I know with 6 children……does that church give like that?

      we are the stewards……God will hold us accountable for how we spend our money…….so we have to investigate where the money goes.

      I am here 24 / 7, and I never ask for money. I live on a tiny pension which qualifies me as below the poverty level….but God provides my daily bread. I help people and spread the Word all day, and night…I have been up since 3 am……

      If I can do this, a young able bodied man can get a job to support himself and show up on sunday to give a sermon.

      • I agree. Thank you for your feedback. I’ve attended several sermons at this church. This man is blessed with a gift of gab. He’s young, and the younger and new believers are in awe of him. He’s very talented.
        What blows the mind, if you watched it in full with eYes wide open, he actually boasts the amount he has given to the church in 2011. Then utter silence about his salary from the church. Though he does say, if you want a line by line printout of where all the money is spent, he will give it to you…. I would really like to take him up on that. I would love to know line by line, where it is going.
        Because of events leading up to that sermon, I predicted that might very well happen. Sure enough, he disclosed the amount he gave to the church. Had no intention on saying, here is what we take as “full time pastor’s salary.”
        Mind you, he just shut down his business that he had owned for I believe over 10 years. “Handing the baton off to his main guy there.” Now he states that he will work on Fridays at that new shop, and that there is much to do at the church.
        I hope and pray that he is blind to what he’s doing, and not purposely misleading the sheep for the love of money. I didn’t see today’s follow up sermon to that message, which is supposed to be.. “Stewardship with money.”
        I look forward to hearing it. I hope you watch it, and tell me what you think. I’ll post you the link here.
        God really has been growing me. Part of that growth has led me to being a true steward of God’s money, and the time to question with boldness as to where this money is going, and if it is blessing Jesus Christ’s work, is now. The time is short.

        Thanks!

  78. I was googling on ‘tithes’ and your website came up. Lot to read(which I will).

    But what I wanted to know if is we do not pay tithes and offerings, then how can the church survive in the day and age. I mean where would the money come for repairs, utility bills etc.?

    I have stopped paying tithes a few months ago. Instead I give it to charlies who actually work to spread the Gospel. I am happy with that. As the Lord blesses me more, I intend to increase this amount. I see a lot of hunger for the Gospel in countries like China, India and also in Africa.

    My money is all for them. I used to feel so much burden when I use to miss any tithes. I was not sure how would I ever pay all those tithes back to God. But God never wants us to be burdened about anything except for praying for our brothers and sisters. Ever since I stopped paying tithes, I got a new job, more pay etc.

    My wife and I help others who need money and we still have money left over.

    And the glory goes to our Father and His son Christ Jesus our Lord.

    • hi Phil

      You are to give as you see fit in your heart.

      You are not obligated to set dollar amounts.

      This is what you are doing now.

      The church can be given free will offerings, if people so wish.

      • I’ve been really blessed by this article and comments and I agree with the author and Robert. The author seems to support tithe only if well used but as a matured believer, I dont think that one should avoid tithe just because of financial problems. If you believe in God and serve Him as in Mat 6:33, the rewards will follow. Morever, if 90% cant meet your needs, I doubt 100% would do. The church does not depend on tithe to survive hence keeping your money doesnt halt God. But let me say this, I am not a pastor but my knowlegde of the Bible and good judgement tells me that teaching against tithe is simply heretic. Instead, teach people spiritual discernment so as to spot false pastors and flee. Also teach men to trust God even in finances and not that avoiding tithe makes things easier.
        I’ve read other powerful articles and I pray for more grace upon your life. Keep on the good work of blessing lives.
        Love, Emma Innocent, Nigeria!

        • hi Emmanuel

          Technically, tithes are not required of believers. We are only to give freely as we see fit in or hearts. The law of tithing was for the old testament sacrifices, for sins, and Jesus has paid for our sins.

          not even Jews tithe now, because the only place the tithe was supposed to be brought was to the temple in Jerusalem. and the temple is not there. so Jews will start tithing when the next temple is built.

  79. Wow! I like this article. It hits the nail on the head.

  80. Many churches are filled with lords and hireling NOT Servants of the Lord. Thought Jesus said the greatest among us is the greatest servant, not those who lord it over people and their wallets.
    I was in one church where there was Pastor’s Anniversary, Pastor’s Birthday, Pastor’s Wife Birthday, Pastor’s Anniversary, Expensive Tickets for Banquet and endless Conferences, Pastor’s Appreciation, Founder’s Convention, The Church Building Fund where you had to pledge money to expand the bldg. plus Tithes and Offerings. The Pastor said cut back and give more but bought a brand new car and another vacation house. This appeal for money for some new thing went on every other month ( and this Church was in a lower income area). I finally was so tapped out I could not afford to be a member of that church anymore and feed my family.
    It took one whole year before they sent me a post card wondering why I was not tithing any longer. I called and told them I had given my notice of withdrawing my membership months back. I was promptly hung up on without so much as a pretense that we miss you and not your tithe money.
    No thanks to organize religion anymore. I can pray and read my bible at home.
    Sincerely
    Fred UP

  81. Deceitful Tithing

    Signs of the times

    Dear Saints, these are the signs of the end times that Jesus spoke of, and because we know it then we also know that the Bible warns us of false brethren who come into our churches to see what freedoms and liberty we have in Christ.

    You see they are concerned with the material things of this life and they see God’s people as easy pickings so to speak, for that is the whole desire of their covetous, evil hearts. But the Bible tells us to seek first the kingdom of heaven, and all the things pertaining to this life will be added unto us.

    Now some people look upon the church and think that we are naive, they seek to take advantage of God’s people by trying to use scriptures from our Lords word to financially gain from us, by twisting the Holy Scriptures they bring God’s Word into disrepute thus causing the truth to be evil spoken of.

    So you see by greed and cunning devices they try to extract money from the church of God. In their eyes they think that they are on to a good thing, but their end shall be so awful that we just do not want to think about it.

    Jeremiah 48:10. Cursed be he that doeth the work of the Lord deceitfully.—

    The Bible puts it very strongly that they will bring damnation upon themselves. Dear loved ones, do not listen to people like that, who try to make you uneasy and guilty about your giving, because God loves a cheerful giver, His love remains the same, if you give a little, a lot or even nothing at all, He changes not, He still loves you very much.

    That is why we have so much liberty in Christ, for we are led by the Holy Ghost and He doesn’t make it hard for us to follow Him, for Jesus said, “My yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” God bless you always.

  82. Hi Marianne, my name is Koren and I have recently come to your site and read some of the info. here about tithing. In the past year and a half I have done a lot of reading in Scripture and on other sites, a Facebook page called “Joyfully Growing In Grace” and “rr-bb.com”, praying and asking God to show me the truth in His Word with regards to “Law vs. Grace”. I had encountered a family member who had started observing the Saturday Sabbath Day and Feasts and wanted to know why.

    There is so much we need to know and God’s Word contains the TRUTH!

    I have been very ill for the past 12 years and in the past couple of years I no longer attend Church but my two son ages 18 and 15 have continued and now my 18 year old is leaving home. What I have been really struggling with recently is the “tithing” that is being preached in the Church and him paying 10% of his wages. I don’t know all where this money is going when he does, I do believe that the Pastor is not working, so I do believe he is receiving some support from the members.

    I do believe that tithing is no longer for us as believers and that it is Old Covenant and that we are no longer under The Law but under Grace. I need to read more in His Word and pray more about it….. but I am met with opposition and have a question for you.

    I hope you can help me find the answer to what someone is telling me, from what I have read on some sites, perhaps here also, I don’t remember and like I said, I have not yet had a chance to read and read and read and study all of Scripture to know as much as some, like perhaps yourself! So I am asking you for direction into God’s Word to help me.

    It will be easier for me to post the quote of what someone has said to me so that you can see what they are saying exactly….. Here it is:

    “Melchizedek was the priest of the Most High God. The bread and wine he offered to Abraham had a close resemblance to the Lord’s Supper. (Luke 22: 14 -23)

    Hebrews 7 sheds more light on Melchizedek. Here he is called the priest of the Most High God. He was the only one qualified to receive tithes from Abraham. All this happened before the law was established. There is no record of Abraham, who at this time was still called Abram, being told to give tithes to God. Nor is any explanation given for Abraham’s paying of tithes. It seems as if the tithes were a free will offering that Abraham instinctively knew he should give. He did it willingly.

    Abraham’s victory in battle led him to pay tithes. He was not paying a financial debt but offering a gratitude of praise and thanks to God with his tithes. Abraham was moved to give tithes not compelled.
    This is from the living library. Note: THIS WAS BEFORE THE LAW WAS ESTABLISHED.”

    I will be praying and asking God to show me in Scripture what I need here but I really would like some guidance? Can you help?

    Blessings,
    Koren

    • hi Koren

      Abraham only paid homage to Melchizedek one time. It was not a weekly pattern of giving.

      That was an ancient custom to win the favor of someone in a higher position.

  83. Pastors must not rob people or sell the word of God but tithes are in the bible

  84. Hi my name is EJ I love this. We are giving to all by give the words of of the LORD thats tithes too. God bless to all

  85. Forget man’s opinion, thus says the Word of God: Look it up

    Colossians 2:14
    Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    The tithe was one ordinance that Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 was the least important aspect of the law to Jews who were bound by the law before he fulfilled the law on the cross.

    Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

    Just goes to show how many brainwashed bible illiterates are enslaved by fear of an Old Covenant curse in Malachi that they have been redeemed from when God was speaking to a whole other nation before Jesus fulfilled the law by dying on the cross.

    Tithe Liars are really the ones under a curse, it is the other way around from what they teach, according to James 2:10 if you seek justification from keeping the law u have to be sinless & keep them all because to break one makes u guilty of them all.
    Galatians 3:10 says
    For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
    This means the minute u eat pork or break the Sabbath rest from all activity on Saturday you failed to do all that was written in the book of the Law.
    My God help these tithe liars! Enough is enough. It is going to lead to a revolt where people just start having church in their homes!
    Who wants to go to church to be beat up over ten percent, certainly not poor single mothers or people out of work!
    Anybody who does not understand what covenant we are under and the word grace means unmerited favor has no business being a Pastor!

  86. Hi Marianne

    I love your passion for truth….and your insight….and your heart for those in need. (the heart of God beats in you is suspect)

    Keep preaching the TRUTH….God’s children are FREE to decide themselves what they are able to and feel they should give. Their is either freedom as Jesus said (Mat 17:26)…or their is bondage to a Law of tithing. There is either compulsory giving……or freewill giving….it cannot be both.

    What you are sharing is 100% in accordance with the word of God ….keep up the good work.

  87. You have really helped me may God continue to do a good work in you

  88. What if the Pastor is handling all the finances and does not want to anyone else to do it. His wife and him are handling all the finances of the church (including monies form the day care centre they run). when approached by a member who was called to assist, they pastor made a statement that he has been doing this for a long time and that it is his church and he will handle the finances. there are always complaints from him that there is not enough money. sometimes the staff(day care) are not paid. In fact, he has been lending out money to the staff and demands interest with it. the staff that owed money were called in, and he demanded they paid back the loan with interest immediately and they actually received hardly any pay for the month. it is difficult not to judge at this point. what about tithing to tthis church?

    • dear concerned

      that is not a church. that is the pastor’s private business.

      get out of there.

      that place does not belong to the pastor, as he claims.

      that place belongs to Jesus, and he has ruined it.

      Jesus would call him a money changer and throw over his tables.

  89. You may find comfort in knowing the little Church I currently serve as Pastor does not preach that you must, or even should give a tithe, rather I teach that each individual must seek God’s guidance and prayerfully give from a loving heart and that as part of the called out body of believers in Christ we are made up of significantly gifted people who all must serve as they are led in the Spirit in order to maintain our bodily health. Each person is important and no one is better than anyone else, God is no respector of persons. Our little Church is full of peaceful, loving children of God walking in the blessed Gospel Light as well as new believers who as of yet have not read the Holy Scriptures but who one day, I believe will amaze even themselves with the beautiful works of compassion and care, and sacrifice for others that they will joyfully perform in loving response, not to me, but to Our Great Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The Church is a precious gift let’s learn to develop and nuture it for it is the body of Christ. May the baptismal waters always move. Amen!

    • dear Gino

      thank you for sharing your faithfulness to the true meaning and application of God’s Word. I wish you many blessings in your little church.

  90. WOW! I HAVE BEEN SO BLESSED BY THE TRUTH OF ALMIGHTY GOD THAT JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF DEMONSTRATED FOR US. I AM A HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATE AND CAN SENSE THE TRUTH AND THE FALSE FROM VERY FAR OFF. I THANK GOD FOR THAT AND TO HIM BE THE GLORY! AFTER EVERYTHING CHRIST CAME AND DID FOR US,,,I NEVER BELIEVED IN PAYING TITHES AT ALL BUT I HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR THAT AND CALLED ALL SORTS OF NAMES…WHICH IS OK WITH ME BECAUSE JESUS IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY PASTOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONFIRMING WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. I BELIEVE IN GIVING BIG AS CHRISTIANS AND ALSO HELPING THE POOR, THE NAKED, THE HUNGRY, THE SICK, THE HOMELESS AND THE ABUSED. WE SHOULD WORK HARD AND EXEMPLIFY CHRIST, AND GLORY GOD. GOD BLESS YOU!

  91. thnx Marriane for opening my eyes u know tithing was a real burden to me becoz we were taught that if we don’t tithe God curese. But the word of God says God loves us uncondtionally how can GOD curse what he loves. Pastors use Malachi 3 v 9 to instil fear in the hearts of believers. Any answer me please why are we tithing money becoz in the old testament they tithed agricultural produce i don’t recall a sripture which says we must tithe 10% of our salary. they is no first fruits in money they tell us that after getting your pay check you should remove the tithe first before paying bills or buying food , if remove the tithe last it means you are putting God last.They are Mega churches around the world that are owned by families to me it looks like family buisness and they are filthy rich while the congregation are poor and heavily in debts. I read the book of acts the apostoles never owned churches or buildings they doing things in one accord with guidence of the Holy Spirit.One trick that is bieng empoloyed is crusades and prophesaying.Crusades a meant as an outreach to the lost/ unbelievers but why ask them offerings while they don’t know Christ. Why do we prophesy to lost soukls instead of preaching Christ to them.One last question to those who surport tithing if bring crops fruits and vegitables will any church recieve them. Many people i leaving the church because they don’t have money to tithe.

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