Tithing in the church – I

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In the bible, tithing, offerings and the temple tax is mentioned. But, the church teaches it today in a way that is non-biblical. The temple tax was what was used to support the temple. It was a set amount, like a shekel per person, about 25 cents each. With several million people giving a shekel, this was adequate.

Today, the tithe is used instead of the temple tax. Originally, only the men came 3 times a year to bring an offering…not the women or children…..especially not single mothers, widows, cripples, sick people, poor people. When tithing was done, only landowners did it, because the tithe came from their harvest of land that was completely paid for. People who did not own property could not do this. They were only servants. When the tithe was brought, as well as offerings, the giver ate the tithe before the Lord, and shared some with the priest. This was a time of fellowship with God, like having an intimate dinner with the Lord. The tithe was not used to support the priest’s salary, or buy him a car, or build him a house. In fact, the priest was not allowed to own any property.

Today, pastors use the tithe to pay themselves, build additions on to the church, and pay administrative costs. The poor usually get nothing, and “eating the tithe” is considered robbing God. The church frowns on the giver keeping some of the tithe for one’s own use, like buying food to eat, because the tithe belongs to God, not the giver, according to the church view.

This is not what scripture says. Scripture says the purpose of the tithe is for the giver to eat it (actually physically benefiting from it), and do so before the Lord, sharing with others who have need. Today, the giver is denied any benefit from the tithe, thus denying him his fellowship dinner with the Lord. Instead, it is removed from him under a message of guilt and obligation, and the pastor and elders pull a salary from his gift. In the bible, the pastors and elders did not get paid. The bible said they all worked for a living, and anyone who did not work, did not eat. No one, especially the leaders, expected others to work while they sat around on their holy behinds, and waited for a free handout. All the believers studied the scriptures, not just the pastors. And all the believers were ministers to others. No one had a paid position. This is an artificial system created by so called leaders who did not want to work for a living.

To make it worse, instead of just demanding tithes from the men who owned property and had a harvest, the church now shamelessly demands tithes out of widows, students, single moms, and sick people on disability. Instead of feeding the poor, the church is taxing the poor. If one is not a tither in the church, then they cannot have membership. If one then is not a member, then they deserve no benefits from the church, especially financial help, which is the main need of the poor. People who are still trying to buy their first property, and are in debt, are required to give, even though this is against scripture. Some ministers actually have the nerve to tell people who do not have any money (the poor), to put large donations on their credit cards, going into debt, and just believe God will bring money to them so they can pay the credit card bill. People are threatened with the curses of God if they do not tithe. In the Bible, God wanted 10% of what the property owner had produced on his land as a profit, not 10% before expenses.

In the church today, members are required to give 10% of their gross, before expenses, not their “profit” after expenses. In the bible days, there were no federal taxes, state taxes, social security deductions, parking fees, gasoline expenses, auto insurance, electricity bills, property taxes, IRS, and babysitting fees. All there was – was the temple tax of one shekel (25 cents). The church has no mercy on people who actually work for a living, and demands 10% of the gross. This is really sick. The average church does not preach the gospel to the unsaved. The average church supports its own “me first ” programs. Church programs may be fine in concept, but the meaning of the offerings and tithes is lost in a new social hall, and a pay raise for the pastor, who will not work for a living as the bible requires. The bible never told any pastor to quit working and hang around full time as a pastor. What do these pastors do all week? Are they reaching the lost as they claim? Answer …no.

The sheep need to get smart. They are ministers too. Pastors are only for the newly saved, because once they are taught, they should be out helping others, bringing new converts into the church. In the bible, the pastors were only for the untaught gentiles. The Jews did not need pastors since they already knew the scriptures. It is a modern day disgrace that pastors have convinced members that they are to stay forever in the church, once they are taught, and just stay to pay tithes to support the pastor’s salary. After 20-30 years, these members should be doing more than sitting there. They should be out preaching the gospel to the unsaved. They do not “need” their pastor anymore because they are not newly saved and in need of teaching.

If the sheep just realized the power they had, they would bust loose from this bondage and turn the world upside down. I hope and pray they get the point soon.

Buy the truth, and sell it not  Prov 23:23.

Do not sell the gospel !!

Click here to read more about the original commandment and practice of tithing.

Click here to read more about the false doctrine of seed time and harvest as money, and NOT the word of God. .


208 Responses to “Tithing in the church – I”

  1. Hello,

    Warm Christian Greetings.

    You make good points regarding the abuses of some pastors. In fact, as a pastor myself, I agree with a lot of what you have wrote. The “seed time and harvest” doctrine – as interpreted and promoted by many – to the point of mass abuse – is a hersey. However, I believe you too have erred when you stated that people who have be saved a long time do not “need” a pastor. In fact your statements are in direct violation of God himself. (See Jeremiah 3:15). If you are incline to dismiss this because it’s in the OT – see Ephesians 4:11-13. Even if you are among those of who have matured in the Faith, Apostle Paul’s point is that God wants us to remain under leadership (And yes, godly, loving, leaders who have the spirit of humility) – “Till we all – come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect (whole; fully matured) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:”. Question, do you believe that we/all (the body of Christ – worldwide) have reached this point? If so, when did this occur? Furthermore, what example are you setting for those who look to you (your writing, etc.) – in terms of your ability to humbly submit to a loving, godly, father/leader? (Paul said that we should follow him as he follows Christ) To this end, obviously I don’t know you personally, but thru your writing you seem sincere (If I might add, you also have a gift to write). However, I pray that you don’t allow the abuses you have noted and/or experienced to cause you to skew, misinterpret or misrepresent the Word of God. If you continue in this vein you will be – unwittingly or not – guilty of the same thing (false doctrine) of which you have noted in others. My prayer for you is that you will – via the Holy Spirit – “rightly divide the Word of Truth”. I believe my writ to you is “…in love…”; I pray you will receive it as such. Peace & God Bless.

    p.s. I welcome your feedback; “…let us reason together…”

    • I believe just as the man wrote about tithing. I did belong to a baptist church,but I know for a fact the HOLY SPIRIT told me to leave organized religion. Now I take the money that GOD so generously gives me and minus what it takes to pay my bills and food etc, and use the rest to help widows ,orphans and the poor. And it’s definitely more than 10% . So just like the man said,instead of putting 10% in a basket every week and supporting a building I obey GOD.

      • Mike,

        I rejoice that you are free from the bondage of “the spirit of religion” (manifested in denominationalism), recognizing that you are a member of The Body of Christ. He is the head of His church. The Spirit revealed this to you, no doubt about it.

        I once was a Concervative Baptist, an American Baptist and an Independent Fundamental Baptist member over about 12 years. Today, I visit with Southenrn Baptisits and a non-denominational church filled with Baptist doctrine and principles. So, I am personal and spiritual familiar with what I’m sharing with you. The Baptist church seems to abdicate the power, fullness of the Holy Spirit.

        Suggestions for you from my experience and what I’ve come to learn.

        Continue to drink in the Holy Spirit (water of life); fill up your vessel with oil (Holy Spirit) and inhale in the breath of God (Holy Spirit).

        I suggest that you pray the prayer Paul wrote in Colossians chapter 1.

        And, watch this video message by a great teacher of the Word regarding the 7 Spirits of God (Isaiah 11:2), which is the fullness of The Spirit, given to us. Please read Isaiah 11:2.

        Once you read Isaiah 11:2, I think you will see those 7 words/phrases jump off the pages throughout Scriptures (see Acts 9:31 for example).

        Also, after reading Isaiah 11:2, consider Paul’s prayer for Believers, which can be your prayer too.

        “Father God, make me (Mike) completely sure of what You want by giving me all the wisdom and spiritual understanding of my need; that this will help me live in a way that brings honor to my Lord and pleases You in every way; that my life will produce good works of every kind and that I grow in knowledge of You Father God so that You strengthen me with all might, according to Your glorious power, so that I will be patient and not give up when troubles come, in Jesus name Amen” (Colossians 1:9-12, personalized).

        The prayer Paul wrote above is asking God to fully apply Isaiah 11:2, filling up their vessel (wise virgins, Matthew 25) that comes by the Spirit of Truth (John 16:12-15) – when we ask.

        He makes us lie down in green pastures and He leads us beside the still waters (Psalm 23). He does not force us to drink or make us stop drinking at any time – the water of life is available to us so drink it in.

        God bless you.

        “Praise the Lord!
        Great blessings belong to those who fear the Lord,
        who are happy to do what he commands.
        Their descendants will be given power on earth.
        Those who do right will be greatly blessed.
        Their family will be very rich,
        and their goodness will continue forever.
        A light shines in the dark for those who are good,
        for those who are merciful, kind, and fair.
        It is good for people to be kind and generous
        and to be fair in business.
        Such good people will never fall.
        They will always be remembered.
        They will not be afraid of bad news.
        They are confident because they trust in the Lord.
        They remain confident and without fear,
        so they defeat their enemies.
        They freely give to the poor.
        Their goodness will continue forever.
        They will be honored with victory.
        The wicked become angry when they see this.
        They grind their teeth in anger, but then they disappear.
        They will never get what they want most.God bless you” (Psalm 112, Easy-to-Read Translation).

  2. Dear Pastor Luke,

    Thank you for your comments. This is what I have been seeing:

    1. True, I agree. Longevity in being saved does not equal maturity. Some people never read, or better, study, their Bibles, and just depend on the pastor to do it for them. I see them as perpetual “lambs,” not mature sheep. They will always need a pastor because they are either too busy working, or they are lazy. These are also the ones who will most likely fall for every false doctrine, because they are not checking out what they hear. In this case, the unknowledgeable need a good pastor.
    2. However, it was not meant to be this way. People are expected by God to grow up, and mature. Even Paul complained that some only wanted the milk of the Word, and needed the meat of the Word.
    3. Pastors are expected to be mature in the Word. Their only real shepherd should be Jesus. I see this as true for any mature believer, who is as knowledgeable and experienced as a mature pastor. There is a point where each person should grow to, and when that point comes, that person should be ministering themselves.
    4. People have to fit and be well matched to any church or pastor. If the pastor is just out of seminary, and the member knows more than he does, there is no need for the member to be there. The member already knows what the new pastor is going to say. I have been in the Word for 40 years now, and I have to admit that most pastors are boring to me now. This is because they talk about the same things all the time – things I already know, and could give a sermon on myself. I am always looking for “fresh bread,” not “stale bread.” True, it might be fresh to someone else, but it is not fresh to me.
    5. Many pastors have hit a plateau. They studied when they were younger, compiled a set of sermons, and only occasionally go beyond that for fresh revelation. Their sheep do not develop past the level of the pastor, if they are the dependent type. This is when the church starts to die. The dependent types may stay, but the more mature ones might leave.
    6. The early apostles looked to Jesus to be their only and true shepherd. They were ready to minister when they were just in their 20’s, or maybe early 30’s. This is because they were Jewish, and had studied Torah their whole lives. They were prepared to hear what Jesus had to say. They had the scriptural foundation that gentiles did not have. Once trained by Jesus, they moved into ministry. They had Peter as a central figure, but they did not need him to teach them. He was there to minister to the newly saved, as the early apostles brought in new converts. I cannot see the early apostles and disciples of Jesus sitting there every week, waiting for Peter to give them a revelation or teach them something. This is because they were already equipped. They were at the same level that Peter was. They had achieved “the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God” that you mention. So yes, in one lifetime, one can reach this point.
    7. Paul was assigned to the gentiles, who basically knew nothing about God, or the scriptures. They did not have the foundation that the Jewish apostles had. This was going to take a long time to get them up to speed. They were going to need evangelists to bring them in, and pastors to teach them. Even with them, Paul insisted that they move from the milk of the word to the meat of the word.
    8. I see immature believers as needing a pastor, one well trained and constantly gleaning fresh revelation from the Bible. I see mature believers as looking to Jesus as their shepherd, not man. This is because they should be at the same knowledge level as a pastor, ready to teach others.
    9. Neither new believers or more mature believers need some of the people I see on TV, which seems to be influencing other pastors not televised.
    10. As a mature believer, I do find most pastors uninteresting, because they are still teaching at a level I have already been at, and I have moved on. They cannot lead me where I have already been. If pastors would understand this, and reach a little deeper into the Word, they would find fresh bread for everyone in the church, instead of appealing to the less informed, and allowing the more mature to leave, or quietly stagnate.
    11. As a human being, I do not look to any man for leadership, especially when there is no “match” between what they have to offer and what I would need. The scripture says to go to God, not man. But again, babes in Christ will need to start somewhere, and need mentoring. And yes, I do believe that one can achieve the same level that the apostles and early disciples did. That is the whole point of ministry. If ministry cannot produce mature believers, ready to minister, fully equipped, then it has failed the commission of the gospel.
    12. What I see, as I mentioned before, is that many pastors have stopped growing themselves, and they have hit a plateau. For any member, who is at that plateau with the pastor, who wishes to continue to grow, they need to leave and move on. If they can find a more inspired pastor, then they have found a new home. If they can’t, then they are stuck.
    13. So, also what I see, some of the ministry callings were just meant to be for the newly saved, who knew nothing about the Bible, and need lengthy and in depth, instruction until they matured and were equipped also. I do not see where they would continue to need a father figure once they had “grown up,” because they would now look to Jesus as their shepherd and father, not the pastor.
    14. I still see mature, and not mature, believers coming together for fellowship. This is recommended also. But if people do this, and they have to sit through a sermon on why they should give from their poverty to the church building fund, then this will ruin the fellowship atmosphere, and put undeserved pressure on the people.
    15. I currently attend a church where the offering is not asked for during service. There is a plate outside the sanctuary for offerings. That way, people are not put under pressure during the fellowship service. This method actually assumes the people are mature, and can be trusted to give as their conscience dictates. This is the way the offerings were accepted in the temple during the time of Jesus, and is also the way Jewish synagogues operate to this day. But now, most pastors do not trust the sheep, and pass the plate around. When you are confronted with the plate, you feel obligated to put something in, because others are watching. This destroys the “cheerful giver” feeling, and imposes a sense of being pressured into something.
    16. Maybe the body of Christ, as a whole has not reached the point you mentioned. – ie – “come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect (whole; fully matured) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:” . This would be true if there were many new converts constantly coming into the church, and needing to mature, which is not really the case in America. Most are leaving the church.
    17. However, this is also true, in some ways, because ministry has failed to teach and help people mature, since many ministers are not mature themselves, or on the proper path.
    18. The mature believers need to be acknowledged as such, and allowed to minister as well. Many are told to stay seated, and stay under the pastor forever, even after both have reached their max. This is stifling the mature believer. It is like the pastors need the sheep, more than the sheep need the pastor.
    19. Anyone, pastor and mature believer, can continue to grow in revelation, and can share insights with each other. The Word is made to constantly reveal new things to us. But this does not dictate a structured relationship between the two, where one is subjected to be under the other.

    thank you
    Marianne

    • Marianne, I really enjoyed your information about tithing… And I understand what your saying, I have been in church for 3 years now, possibly 4 years… And I feel that guilt of not being able to tithe, ( but I think to my self Is it because God is condemning me because I cant afford to pay my tithe, or am I feeling condemned because the pastor actually says tithe 10% it’s due To The Lord) Times are very tough for all of us, I understand… I am married with 6 children, my husband and I both work… A lot of times we can’t afford to tithe… I have spoken to God, and said Lord if I can afford to pay it I will…. Our pastor even preaches of experiences that he had, when he has checked his mailbox and found a check in the mail…. Im sure these financial miracles are true… Nothing like this has ever happened for me though…. Also not sure if it’s true, but I heard once that all leadership roles in a church must pay their tithes to keep their position in the church, is this true?

      I know that God knows I am doing the best I can, and you mentioned earlier about how God can speak to our hearts about giving, this is true… I felt compelled to give, when I didn’t have much…

      Your post also reminded me of a thought I had the other day, I thought well if there are rich members in this church, shouldn’t the rich be helping out the poor? For example, the rich can obviously afford to pay their tithes, but I can not all the time…

      • iam4real

        Tithing in the NT is not legal. There should be no paid staff in a church. we are just to give free will offerings as the spirit leads us. the rich pastor and all his friends need to get a full time job and stop bothering people for money.

        the stories he tells are a scam to get you to think you will get checks in the mail like him.. this is called prosperity preaching and the pastors are going to hell for doing this.

        Mal 3:10 is not about YOU giving money and being obedient. it is god yelling at the priests because they were keeping the tithes for themselves. that is what bad pastors do today.

        help the real poor. yourself and family, and other poor you meet. the church today – for the most part – does not care about the poor. instead, it demands money from them, and lies to them about false prosperity messages which are taken out of context.

        if we obey god, he will take care of us….we do not need to bribe him with money, and have magic money show up from magic sources.

      • Iam4real33
        Hello, I’ve been studying the Scriptures for over twenty years now, and I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where we as New Testament Christians are told that we should tithe, we are told to give as we feel led. Tithing was for the Israelites as you can read in the start of Malichi, and was binding under the Levitical Priesthood and Old Covenant, Christ has paid all our debts including our tithe. If you want to hear it from a (sound) Pastor of about fifty years D A Waite is one of many who understands the difference from the two mutually exclusive covenants. (you can find his sermons on sermon audio or bible for today baptist church) http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=D.^A.^Waite%2C^Th.D.%2C^Ph.D.

        Wrong teaching can bind you, you need to know that God does not require your money, nor do you need to fund your Pastors Mercedes, If he makes you feel that you do, it is probably because he isn’t called of God, he’s mostly blind. You should make sure you read the Bible and as you grow to understand it, the truth will set you free. Unless you have an abundance (more than you know what to do with), you should be able to ‘not give’ with a clear conscience.

        God Bless

      • iam4real

        Here is one passage I can think of right off the top about this so called prosperity preaching 1 Tm.6:
        5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

        6But godliness with contentment is great gain.

        7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

        8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

        9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

        10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

        11But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

        12Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. These are the things we need to work on scripture only 2 Tm.3:16-17; if we hold to them we are in the Lord’s mind, 1 Cor.2:1-16 this is the only way to know His mind is to have His Word living in us!

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        my Lord, Master and God Almighty, 1Tm.3:16; Mt.1:23; Is.40:3; Is.7:14; Is.9:6; 2Cor.6:14-18; Jms.4:4; 1Jn.2:15-17!
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        Mt.23:12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
        Lk.14:7-*11*-14!

        Lk.17:7But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? 8And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? 9Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

    • The Church of today needs to be more than just a church it needs to be equipping its congregations to go out and start daughter works, though Discipleship and Stewardship lessons until they are equipped for full service; but this can never happen until they get filled with the Holy Spirit who does the equipping! Jesus will equip anyone He calls into service, but many are called but few are chosen; Mt.7:13-14; 20:16 and 22:14; It is exactly as you said, this kind of teaching is a gift of our Lord and we are to seek after the best gifts for the edification of the body of Jesus Christ! It is surely a shame Dan.12:2 that many do not ever get the chance to grow to full maturity in there home churches such as the one I left for the exact reasons you stated above and I for one can vouch the same experiences!
      For this reason I doctored up an article I saw someone else started on and went through and changed some of his work that needed correcting, but it is quite lengthy and I will not post it here. Hopefully this link will work to my blog sight if anyone care to go and read it.
      This stay, pray, pay and obey mentality is not what a church is supposed to be providing; it should be a hospital for the needy who need physical healing as well as mental, it should cloth the naked, it should feed the hungry, take care of the widows and orphaned and all such as required in scripture for us to take care of! We are to grow as a body of believers with many daughter works not see how big we can get in one place!
      We are to teach and equip so our congregations of the presbytery which are elders can start their own works who are of maturity and have proved themselves in the body! Most Pastors today have a strangle hold on the congregation so tight that even the Holy Spirit is unable to operate because of their fear of losing control, all things must be done in an orderly fashion but the Holy Spirit is supposed to have preeminence! It is after all His power that gets the work done! If allowed to operate!~
      Lord’s Way Ministries
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      Rev. G. L. Boyett

      http://garylordsway.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/discipleship-and-stewardship-2/

  3. I don’t mind paying tithes and offering if the money is used to uplift the Kingdom of God church and the needs of those who needs it. I do, however agree with the writer statement about how some Pastors, and the elder of the church can make you feel that if you don’t tithe then you will be under a financial curse from God. There are times because of financial setbacks, I am not always able to constantly pay my tithes, and thereforee during offering, I am left with feelings of guilt , apologizing to God for not having 10% of my earnings. I like to believe that God knows that in my heart that I truly want to pay my tithes, but there are times that i alway can’t. So! with that, when my family and I are suffering financially, I think that God has place us under a financially curse as punishment.
    Can someone tell me under what scriptures where is can actually say that our tithes must be paid bi-weekly, or monthly. Again I don’t mind giving, because it is my heart desire to give when I can. I am not a selfesh person. I just would like an anwser because I don’t want to continue to feel guilty anymore when I can’t give my 10%.

    • We are free from laws. All that you own, belongs to Him and not you. Sow when He asks you to, hold back when He doesn’t. Read Deuteronomy 26 and Isaiah 58. Tithes in today’s world fund an institution not even ordained by God…instead of looking after His needy children whom were put there to test your love…Jer 6:27. God sometimes uses us to test others with. Not a nice job, few candidates..lol :)

      God doesn’t need our money, our own fellow believers do.

    • Carol
      Hello, I’ve been studying the Scriptures for over twenty years now, and I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where we as New Testament Christians are told that we should tithe, we are told to give as we feel led. Tithing was for the Israelites as you can read in the start of Malichi, and was binding under the Levitical Priesthood and Old Covenant, Christ has paid all our debts including our tithe. If you want to hear it from a (sound) Pastor of about fifty years D A Waite is one of many who understands the difference from the two mutually exclusive covenants. (you can find his sermons on sermon audio or bible for today baptist church) http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=D.^A.^Waite%2C^Th.D.%2C^Ph.D.

      Remmember there is no tithing tought by Christ or by the Apostles to the Church. Mt 23:23 Jesus is telling the Pharisees what they should have done if they were trying to follow the Law of Moses. Hebrews mentions Tithes in relation to the Levitical preisthood Etc, but anyone who tells you that that is teaching us to tithe is a goat, or a very lost sheep in the wrong place. I don’t say that lightly.

      Here is some of the principles of Christian giving, they were having a offering to help the christians in Jerusalem who had been hit by a bad harvest.

      2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

      2 Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment,<<>>a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.<< For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: But by an EQUALITY…

      You could ask is your Pastors wealth equal to yours?

      The Apostle is teaching here that we shouldn't give ourselves into poverty, nor give out of Poverty, but if we have 'ease' and we can see a need…

      It sounds a little complicated at times in because some of the churchies had pledged, or perhaps Paul was just saying to them that if they had pledged to God in their heard to give, then they should give as they had purposed, and it is for that purpose that he recommends to some of them that they should lay an amount aside on the first day of the week, this wasn't a perpetual ordinance it was a one off event, but the principles can be helpfull.

      2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

      1 Corinthians 16:1-3 Now concerning the collection for the saints, (Christians) as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

      It can be quite difficult to come to terms with the fact that sometimes the pastor is as carnal as anyone in the pew, but he is just a naturaly gifted business man.

      Wrong teaching can bind you, you need to know that God does not require your money, nor do you need to fund your Pastors Mercedes, If he makes you feel that you do, it is probably because he isn’t called of God, he’s mostly blind. You should make sure you read the Bible and as you grow to understand it, the truth will set you free. Unless you have an abundance (more than you know what to do with), you should be able to ‘not give’ with a clear conscience.

      God Bless

  4. Hi Carol.

    First, the tithe was discontinued in the early church as grace replaced the law. The tithe was only for the temple in Jerusalem, nowhere else. The christians were only to give as their heart led them.

    If you want scriptures about tithing, you have to go back to the old testament, where you go back under the law to obey. Tithing was only done once a year, but not every year. Some years, offerings were dedicated to the poor, and once every 7 years, there was no tithe, because they let the land rest, and no one worked, or planted, or harvested.

    Only men paid tithes, not women or widows, or children, or single mothers.

    Look at my pother post, where it gives extra details.

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/tithing-judaism/

    I hope this helps. Give as you see fit. But you are not under a curse if you cannot afford it. Your church should be helping you, if you need help.

    God bless you.
    marianne

  5. I AM IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, AND SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE I AM A CURSED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I FALL INTO A FINANICAL BIND BEYOND MY CONTROL. IN SOME CHURCHES THE PASTOR WONT LET MINISTERS PREACHED OR PRAY. I DO BELIEVE IN GIVING TO THE LORD. AND SOMETIMES I GET DISCOURGED BUT I CONTINUE TO TRUST IN THE LORD. PLS PRAY FOR ME. J. C.

  6. John,

    Just follow your heart as to what you want to give. Do not reveal your income to people, so that they expect a certain amount from you. It sounds like you are in ministry as well? Also, do not feel obligated to stay in a particular church. If one is too restricting, go elsewhere.

    You have my prayers. And my best wishes.

    marianne

    • I would not recommend hopping around just because of income, you must pray Gods perfect will and ask him to show you your duty and purpose for being at that church. You are not under the 10 percent law but you sould give according to your heart and what holy spirit directs you to give. it may be 100 it may be 50 i dont know but remember always pray before you make any permanate decisions in a temporary place. much love and prayer for you.

    • Marianne, regarding your comment to John… Your advice was not to mention his income to anyone… I personally felt uncomfortable tithing at church because the church wants me to write down the amount I put into the tithing envelope, and then sign my name…. I wanted to remain unanonymous…. I don’t want my name on the tithe envelope, Is this wrong? I thought what I give to God, is between me and Him… ?

  7. What about Christ’s commendation of the widow who gave her last mite? He did not clarify that she need not give at all or that there would no longer be a need for the tithe as HE next described how the temple would soon be destroyed. Mark 12.41-44 and continuing;

    Also, it is generally taught the “the worker is worthy of his pay” refers to ministers/teachers of God’s word. See http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=1Ti&chapter=5#n27 and 1 Timothy 5.17

  8. I know that there are part-time pastors that want to do the will of God and hopefully they can do it full time, the small churches they pastor cannot afford a salary or tithes so he works to support their families and he gives his tithes to the church as well and ends up paying the church bills etc… So are you telling the reader not to support the church or pastors? Or should they only support the big churches that are down the street? I know you search the bible and have found that the priest where set a side to take care of the temple and that was their job or duty whatever you want to call it. So they did work, I think that if a pastor is lazy and just wants to feed of the people that wrong, But I will not judge him for that I will leave God to do it. We see all the T.V. stuff and “They say, send money and you receive big blessing”, I don’t agree with that because if they where being bless they won’t be asking for it all the time. We get a mental picture that all pastors and churches are like that. We see the problems in this world and its going to get harder, the pastors that are trying to stay faithful to the cause are losing the fight, but God wants us to remain faithful to the end. I know that we have to warn the people of false things that are going out in the world and in the church. In the tithing, I think it’s not about the money, but the obedience to God, and that you trust in him. I know that there are pastor that will make you feel guilty. And they are trying to fulfill their own need. And yes, we need to look out for that. May God bless.

    • Absolutely Marchus I agree, not all pastors are like that, my pastor is not like that at all. There are those out there that are really giving their all to God and wants the best for the believers. Once again GIVING is something that should be at the core of every believers heart, rather its in paying bills or buying food, what if you were the pastor of a church trying to keep the bills paid and your people did not want to give to help. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, is the pastor not a Brother or a man also, so why should he have to go in lack and be in need. He has bills just like everybody else but he also has a church building if you have one that needs to be taken care of. So we should not look at the pastor as someone that is excluded from the Golden rule or someone in need.

      • You are not correct that there is a mandate for any Gentile to pay tithes to get the blessing of God. Tithing was an Old covenant commandment before Jesus said Paid in full on the cross same as iT IS FINISHED. No gentile was in a covenant with God in the days of Malachi. We now have the blessing for all things based on what Jesus paid for us on the cross. If you called any Local Orthodox Synagogue you would be surprised to discover they no longer enforce the tithe law but give free will offering since no one but Levites were authorized to collect the tithes for upkeep of the Temple in Jerusalem and for the poor and the Levitical Priest which no longer exist and the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

        Jesus did not even praise the the paying Pharisee’s and they were still bound by the Old Covenant Malachi law because Jesus had not yet died or uttered the words paid in full. Christians are now free to give as they decide or purpose 2nd Corinthians 9:7
        Wish Pastors understand Grace and what happened when Jesus said Paid in full. He said Paid in full, no pay in full. God with the Son freely gives us all things read Romans 8:32 .
        We cannot be cursed over not tithing since Jesus took the curse to the cross Galatians 3:13 and Col. 2:14 No one who does not understand this should be a Pastor!

      • My comments were meant for the comment that there is a blessing on tithe payers. This is actually the opposite according to
        Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them”.
        THIS MEANS KEEP ALL 613 OF THEM ARE YOU ARE UNDER A CURSE CAUSE BREAKING ONE MEANS YOU VOID THEM ALL READ jAMES 2:10 .
        Jesus told the tithe paying Pharisees in Matthew 23:23 tithing was not even the most important law and they were still under the law since Jesus had not yet died and said Paid in full.
        Jesus help me cause these tithe police are so sickening and they hurt the poor not help the poor. The widow’s mite was a temple tax not a tithe. THE TITHE WAS PAID IN FOOD FROM LAND OWNERS ONLY! Too many bible illiterates, what a shame.

  9. Hi Marcus,

    I do respect your views. They are very traditional, and most people are taught this.

    What I was trying to point out here is that the new testament view of spiritual leaders is that they are no different than others in the congregation. In the early church, founded by the apostles, no one got paid from tithes. That was an old testament tradition and the high priest only got 1/50 of the tithe, and then he had to pay 10% of that to the temple. The priest only got that 1/50 because he was not allowed to own property – land – where he could grow his own food.

    The tithe was never meant for the church, and was only to be paid in Jerusalem at the temple there. That is where the apostles paid their tithes until they died, or the temple was destroyed. They did not receive the tithe for themselves. That was illegal. Today, not even Jews pay tithes, because there is no temple, so trying to apply this to the church is totally illegitimate.

    Church leaders in the new testament were expected to keep their regular jobs and just assist those new converts on the sabbath. For everyone, it was really a part time job, and they did it for free. Occasionally, an offering was taken if there was a need.

    So if pastors want to follow in the footsteps of the apostles, they should do the same thing. Unfortunately, today, “church” is a business, and people get paid salaries. The tithe is also a requirement for membership. I have been told many times I was expected to pay tithes or I was robbing God. This is not true, since the tithe was never required of gentiles to begin with. Christians are being taught this false teaching to promote the business of church, so that a select few can profit from the efforts.

    My opinion is that EVERY pastor should have a job and volunteer his time on Sundays. The word of God is not merchandise that you sell. I spend almost 50 hours a week on this site counseling people and helping to teach the Word of God. I have never asked for money. It would offend the Holy Spirit if I did. Pastors of any size church are wrong to demand pay, or to expect it. There are many people now NOT in church because of this exploitation.

    There is no “obedience issue” with the tithe, because it is not required to begin with. Think for a moment. Not even Jesus asked for a salary. So why do modern day preachers? Because they turned it into a business.

    I guess each church can make up their own minds what to do. But they will automatically exclude many people who cannot pay. The tithe is meant for the poor, and not the pastor. most of the time, the poor does not get much of anything, and the pastor gets paid and new buildings go up.

    So this is my view. I do respect your views as well. I just want you to understand why I say what I do.

    Just follow your heart, and do what you think is best for you.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Maryann, thank you for your hard work.
      I know God uses people like you. Many I’ve found don’t want the truth! I recently left church for many of the reasons you’ve already stated. Surpassing the pastor on knowledge, not being fed, being a bored spectator watching a performance. No it was not this way for the first three hundred of Christianity. Nothing of church today is biblical.
      Ephesians 4:11 is always thrown out.
      Nothing suggests these positions are permanent. I love how the sheep are encouraged to do the visiting and cooking and greeting and encouraging.
      The early church as you pointed out were all involved in “church ” they understood they were the church. They had no concept of going to church, the fellowship was ongoing and daily. They didn’t sit in wooden pews or chairs while one man exalted himself, while the sheep sit in adoration throwing out the “amen”.
      God called them!!!! God called us all.
      1 Corinthians 14:26,, when’s the last time we saw that in “church”?
      Some prayer groups do this as a side note, this was instruction for coming together.
      The laziness as you mention with regards to Pastors continuing to be needed in my opinion keeps them lazy. The danger when the pastor is feeding them garbage.
      The pastor is put on a pedestal. In the days of the early church where everyone participated the likelihood would be greater for one to correct the error of another. Today in church one who lacks knowledge ignorantly believes anything the pastor tells them. I have time and time again tried to explain to a fellow parishioner biblical truth only for them to doubt even scripture and instead believe the anointed pastor they’ve been brainwashed to believe was sent by God.
      The pastor appears to have an exclusive in with God. Those who have a relationship with God have much to offer each week but they’re treated like small children in a classroom. My ex-pastor has his sermon ready every single Tuesday like clockwork. He works on it Monday. God appears to work on the pastors schedule. No part of me believes he was called by God. I do not believe Gid had called any man or woman into a building to stand behind a pulpit elevating themselves and sitting on their very large chair (throne) the fact we even call a building church is not biblical, it suggests a once a week worship, it suggests that’s where we find God, we are Gods house, yet we say, let’s go to Gods house.
      It’s all a mess and perverted.
      Tithing is man made. We do not need to worry about a mortgage, heat, electricity, salaries, ectt. Because God set if up in homes for three hundred years, it was good enough then, it should be now.
      Culture and times have nothing to do with staying out of pagan temples.
      When the early church all needed to gay together they arranged to meet in a larger area. They called all the little houses “the church” meaning the people.
      They didn’t refer to fifty different churches even if it were fifty different houses, it was “the church in Jersalem”. The people. We have all been duped, God is a gentleman and when He’s called on no matter where He wil show up, that does not mean He approves which us why after the hoopla people leave, it’s kind of like eating Chinese food, fills you up but in no time your hungry again.
      Thank you for your hard work.
      Kim

      • hi kim

        yes the current church is a mess. Yet overseas, they are dying for their faith. It is a source of shame to us that the western church is so soft, ignorant and spoiled.

      • kim, enjoyed what you had to say very much, the part that caught my eye was when you mention how people in church believe the anointed pastor, makes me think of my own life…. My husband has went to this same church his entire life, and anything the pastor says is always correct…. I have only been in church for 4 years, and If the pastor preaches something that doesn’t sound right, I search it out… I pray, talk to God, even fast if I need to… I do this because I want to know where God stands!!! The church is a mess Yes, because as mention people have gotten lazy… God is a spirit, who must be worshipped in Spirit and in truth… We must all work on our own personal relationship with God…

  10. Dear Lauren,

    Apologies. I found you in the spam section.

    When Jesus saw the widow, he was NOT showing her as an example of proper giving. He was rebuking the scribes and leaders for requiring money out of a widow, and said they were robbing her of all she had. He was NOT recommending that poor people give everything they had, when rich people could more than pay for what was needed. So he was not commending the widow. He was commenting on an unfair situation.

    see the original context:

    Mar 12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and [love] salutations in the marketplaces,
    Mar 12:39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:

    Mar 12:40 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

    Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
    Mar 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
    Mar 12:43 And he called [unto him] his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

    re: the worker is worthy of pay.

    We are all workers. The best examples are the apostles themselves, and Jesus, and Paul, NONE of whom took a salary for their work. They only took occasional free will offerings when there was a need. NONE of them got paid from a tithe.

    This is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical one. The rewards are spiritual, not money.

    blessings
    marianne

    • I think the main point Jesus was saying about the woman giving all that she had, it was not for tithing but for a freewill offering to the Lord and Jesus was respecting her outstnading faith for offering all that she had which ment more to Jesus then all the offerings that were so much larger than hers; she gav eit all because she needed something from the Lord and she was not going to let money get in the way of her blessing she was seeking for! This is what I get out of that verse about her, but ya Jesus was definately showing the disciples soon to be Apostles what to watch out for by the examples of the hypocrits He tore up in chapter 23 of Matthew!

      • i agree about her willingness…..but she should be receiving offerings from them as a widow, they should support her….not the other way around…..this is the sin Jesus was addressing…they devoured the widow’s house

        • The whole point of this teasury was for the poor; she wanting to show her need of a blessing because she knew God sees all and will indeed see her necessities of want: she was offering from her heart;
          Matthew said this:The Poor Widow Commended (12:41-44)
          Let us not forget that Jesus still sees the treasury. He knows how much, and from what motives, men give to his cause. He looks at the heart, and what our views are, in giving alms; and whether we do it as unto the Lord, or only to be seen of men. It is so rare to find any who would not blame this widow, that we cannot expect to find many who will do like to her; and yet our Saviour commends her, therefore we are sure that she did well and wisely. The feeble efforts of the poor to honour their Saviour, will be commended in that day, when the splendid actions of unbelievers will be exposed to contempt.
          Matthew Henry Concise Bible Commentary. In the concise version the other is too lengthy to put in here: This was a freewill offering in honoring God’s provisions, for His people. She was simply giving her all out of a pure heart. 2 Tm.2:19-22.

          • in the original Greek it says she put in all her life into the Lord’s Treasury.

            • It also shows us that the poor are to show good works also; 2 Cor.8: 1Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;

              2How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

              3For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves;

              4Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

              • Buit the main point being is if the offering is not from a willing heart you might as well keep your money and use it on necessities, it will not be accepted to the Lord unless it is truly from the heart.

                • 2 Cor.8:12For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

                  13For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

                  14But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

                  15As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

                  • Just as if we fast and during our fast we save all that money and food and then go and make it a freewill offering to the needy; this if done with a pure heart of a giving willingness the Lord sees and will honor it!

                    • Ac.10:1There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

                      2A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. he fasted and gave alms often; he showed works worthy of repentance; Ac.26: 19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

                      20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

                    • amen

                    • what article are you currently working on?

                    • i wrote priests for pay and where eagles gather during recovery from surgery….i am still recovering…..have thought a little about noah and the end times, comparing the timelines…but I have been tired and only worked on it a little bit. I am still on pain meds and only have a few good hours each day.

                    • I’m so sorry to here all of this for you; may the Lord watch over you and keep you for a fast recover in Jesus name Amen! I will keep you in my prayers! God Bless and get well soon; patients is a virtue which increases our faith in all our testings, this is trruly how we overcome, Jn.16:33; I’ll let you go so you can get some rest and I read a book by Clarence Larkin maybe you have it or can get a copy but you better hurry they are getting expensive but He has wonderful time lines in them which are mostly acurate, he was a praticing engineer a very smart man and was gifted for his time. Get wll by for now.
                      Your frind in Christ
                      Brother Gary l. Boyett

                    • Here is the title of clarences’ book Deispensational Truths it covers the Old Testament Prophecies which are mostly acurate.

                    • The Disiples Study Bible by Cornerstone publishing has some time lines in it as well Zondervans Student study Bible has some good info in it as well as we as the Zondervans Archaeological Study Bible is excellent also though I prever the KJV they are instrumental in study helps. God bless.

                    • thank you. looks like we need to start a new thread on this page

                    • I was getting ready to go over to the eagle thing and check it out.

                    • I’ll do it in the mornign Lord willing going to bed now, almost 8:00 here I like to spend a couple hours with my wife before bed being I work on this thing all the day long.
                      Good night I’ll mention you in my prayers God bless!

                    • Comments on time lines and matterial for Data:
                      I have found this sight that has many many books with wonderful imformation saved me thousands of dollars:
                      Christian Classics Ethereal Library:
                      Bringing Christian classic books to life;
                      Should be able to find it on line; while there I found my set of Systematic Theology by Hodge a 3 Vol. set; as well as History of the Christain Church by Phillip Schaff and 8 Vol. set with many ohters as well to numerous to mention; but in Vol.of Schaff’s history is a lime line also that I though might be helpful in you research; page 100 through and esp. pg. 135 but there are a lot of dates in Vol.1 which lays out the timelines which are talked about in the other vols. the nativity on page 128 for example closest birth date for Christ on pg.134-5; but the vast amount of other books with related works in these volumes is like a library or index to the works of other Historians in its footnotes! I also forgot this good reference book for a Chronological Study Bible which is KJV which I liked by Thomas Nelson the one I have is copyrighted in 2008; 1997; and portions back to 1982; where it labels everything by Epoch’s: it even starts off with a time line in the index; Holman’s Bible dictionary is good for dates for timelines along with The New Internation Dictionary of the Bible by J. D. Douglas & Merrill C. Tenney; If there are anythings you need help with in looking up let me know and I will be glad to help; your firend bro. Gary

  11. We are not under the old law covenant.
    There is much written in the scriptures regarding this account, all one need do is look it up.In fact Jesus stated that the law of the profits now hinge on two new commandments, the first is to love Jehovah with your whole heart mind and strength, the second is to love your neighbor as yourself, that he came, not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law of the profits.
    This means we are no longer required to give atighting or ten percent of all we own.
    You really believe that the religious leaders are going to cut off their cash flow faucet!They are not holding true, and that is why they have lost favor with Jehovah, they are false teachers, wolves in sheep’s clothing misleading the flock.
    Since when does one go into the house of God to hear a minister encouraging the flock to vote for one political leader or another?
    How can you serve two masters, either you will prove false to the one or true to the other, can’t have it both ways.
    This comes to the subject of one holding duel citizenship, too who’s country will their loyalties lay when their counted on to vote one way or another!
    ” CAN YOU HEAR THE ANGELS CRYING “

  12. Newscruzer,

    You say some very true things. I hope others will come to understand this also.

    blessings
    marianne

  13. well done! Great article.

  14. Dear Ritdm (Kevin)

    Thank you for your kind words. May God bless your ministry, and family, in these last days.

    blessings
    marianne

  15. After reading this page I questioned God as to whether I should tithe. He answered me quickly with a yes. I do not believe in the message most pastors (esp.Charismatic ones)preach about giving. Sow your $1000 seed and God will bless you greatly. I used to believe that, when I first got saved. The widow women gave all that she had out of her want. In Matt. 23:23 (abbr.) you pay tithe of mint and anise and have omitted the weightier matters of the law these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. That last sentence is the key: not to leave the tithe undone. There have been times recently where if I gave my whole tithe, then I would come up short for the week. I went ahead and gave the whole tithe anyway and God helped me. Obedience brings blessing. In Genesis, Jacob said “I will surely give the tenth” that was before the law.Abram also gave the tenth. I believe that the pastor is our earthly Shepard .He watches over the flock and their souls, teaching them the truth of the word and preaching what the Lord has spoken to them for that hour. It is usually a confirmation of what God has been speaking to me. I don’t believe anyone can know so much that they don’t need to sit under a pastor, which God has placed in authority on Earth. In 1 Tim. 3:15 (abbr.) If I tarry long that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God which is the church of he living God the pillar and ground of the truth. Hebrews10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another and so much the more as you see the day approaching. When I go to church I am uplifted and strengthened, sometimes I feel so bad that I have to drag myself there. I always feel better when I leave. I also go to minister in music and teach the children, maybe by doing this I have helped someone. I also minister in the local jail, visit home meetings, nursing home ….wherever the Lord leads. Shannon

  16. God bless you Shannon.

    Just follow your heart. :)

    I am glad you are in a church where you are happy.

    Regarding the widow passage, if you check a few verses before, Jesus was criticizing the leaders for robbing widows. Widows are to receive the benefit of the tithe, not give it.

    May God bless you for the work you do.

    marianne

  17. Fabulous! I don’t have to write the article myself …

    There are a few comments I would like to add, first, until you (we) understand the festivals of God we cannot understand the tithe. The first festival is Shabbat. Then we can understand what real worship is and what it is not.

    2nd – Tithe is always food – but giving is not always food. We are expected to give offerings as well as tithes, but the tithes are food and the offerings are money. All of these do not support a ministry …

    3rd – The church (today) is a business and nothing Godly – shocking ! It was never meant to be a business. It was meant to be a body. A Body of believers that can come together and worship, read, study and fellowship with and for God.

    4th – all this needs to be restored and understood before Yeshua can come again – Acts 3:21. Hurry – spread the word …

    There’s so much more, but this is a great start.

    • Barb, I’ve always wondered about the church, you mentioned the church is the gathering of a body of believers which come together to worship, read, study, etc… So why do we need a church building? My feeling has been why not just have church anywhere, don’t know if this would be right?

  18. Hi Barb

    Thank you for your thoughtful insights. The Lord is returning for a bride without spot or wrinkle, so we certainly need to get busy, and get the spots and wrinkles out.

    blessings
    marianne

  19. Any pastor uttering ‘tithing’ (for the purpose of money to come into the church, the pastor, the program, etc.) is guilty of selling God’s word period.

    There is no excuse to use a biblical language for their own practice and benefit, no matter how noble purposes the money is to be used. It is like calling themselves as ‘Reverend’ (how reverend the mere human beings can be? Simply because they have a degree and a position by human schooling and human power organization (denominations)?

    Why can’t be honest to say ‘bring one tenth of your income’ (some even call for one tenths of one’s possession in my country). Why not ask ‘two tenth’ if the congregation needs money. (I wonder, though, why they would need that much of extortion to begin with, unless they have squandered to debt or grandiose dream of human pride). What is the result of this selling God’s word business? Church prosperity. Largest church in the world is boasted by Cho, a self successful seller of God’s Word sprinkled with wealth health and prosperity Gospel. By fruit they will be known; by words they utter they will be revealed. Tell the pastors: don’t ever say ‘tithe’. Let them be honest, responsible, and accountable.

  20. Hi Oun,

    I think the biblical language is the “icing on the cake.” as Americans say. It is thin and sweet, and makes the cake taste good.

    Misused or perverted scriptures are used to sweeten the prosperity gospel, so people will believe it.

    We do not need gimmicks to get true believers to give. We just need to touch their hearts with the truth of the situation, and ask for compassion for such needs as orphans, widows, the poor,etc. Even a legitimate expense is ok, if you are just honest about it, and don’t promise miracles for the money. Like the furnace is broken – we need to fix it. Most people can understand the truth, if they ever get to hear it. Pastors are responsible for telling the truth if there is a legitimate need.

    blessings
    marianne

  21. I thought this might be a good web site with good information but any one who is an island unto them self is out of the will of God. Your teaching has an angry tone to it and is way off base. Paul told the Philippians in chapter 4:15 that no other church shared with him in giving and receiving but them. VS 17 “Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account”. When we tithe and give we are in covenant with God, and fruit abounds to us. I tithe where I am being fed, and no I am not a milk Christian. I just made sure that I found myself a Pastor who knows more than me and is still seeking the deeper meanings of the whole Word of God; who does go out to the mission fields and lives by faith like the rest of us. Jacob vowed to tithe to God Gen 28:20-22, before the establishing of the temple. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek Gen. 14. But if you are still in denial since this is old testament, read Hebrews 7:1-9 which proves that the tithe actually goes to the great High Priest, our Lord Jesus Christ. That is where my tithe goes. My advise to you dear lady, get yourself under a good covering, submit to the word of God in truth lest you get twisted up into false doctrine.

  22. Dear Karmen,

    Thank you again for the comments. It is ok to me if people disagree. This is an open web site for discussion and disagreement. The cognitive dissonance creates thought evaluation.

    I just explain here the original purpose of tithe, and how it was to be used. The basic principles are not followed by most churches, which to me is sad. I am recommending that, if you do tithe, it should be used according to the purposes the bible teaches, and not for other things. You are supposed to sow in good soil.

    Jesus did not receive tithes. Neither did his apostles. He did accept free will offerings, and never gave a sermon on tithing. The temple tax was used to support the priests in the old testament, the tithe was only for the temple in Jerusalem. Remember they used to have to sacrifice a lot of animals, and they were required to support the poor.

    When people give to pastors in modern times, they are not necessarily giving to Jesus. The pastor is NOT Jesus. If the pastor was very observant, he would have to give up his home and car, and other worldly possessions, and live off the free will offerings of believers. Anything besides money for food, should go to the poor. He should also not own land.

    The modern church generally abuses the tithe concept, and it, for the most part, is not used for what it was intended. I speak against the abuse of the Word, not against the Word itself. I speak in preserving the Word.

    Heb 7 is talking about Abraham and Melchizedek, king of Salem.

    I do not consider myself to be an island, and I do attend a church. My covering is not a pastor, or a church, but Jesus Himself. I give willingly as He directs.

    blessings
    marianne

    • Heb. 7 is quite often misinterprited. Abram paid the tithe of his loot not of his income. He would have paid the same tithe to any king he met on his way back from such a succesful recovery of Lot and his family and others from the kings that invaded the land as a gratitude. Where you told that Abram went at any other time to tithe to Metchizedek? Were you told he paid tithe of his possesion? Curse is any one under the law. If you choose to obey the law and offend in one then you are guilty of all.

  23. Marianne…Preach it Sister..My Spirit Man is in agreement with what you have said here…I have not gone to Church in awile because I am no longer feed ..I leave hungry..I have learned more searching the word and asking God to help me grow..God is not just for an Hr. or two a week….If we feed our flesh once or twice a week we would die..The same with our Sritual walk..Christians are dead because they do not eat and the pastures are not feeding them what they need to grow..Some time we need to stop beibg spoon feed and eat on our own…Praise God..

  24. Hi Marlene,

    Thanks for the good words. It is good to hear you are a mature Christian, looking for more than “milk.” :)

    The saints are tired because they have not been fed in a long while. They just get fed recycled sermons pastors find on the internet. The Word of God should be fresh and new each day. I made a joke on this page:

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/dead-bread-in-the-church/

    Take care and be blessed
    marianne

  25. That was an wonderful article. I agree with you fully. God Bless You.

  26. Hi Golda,

    Thank you. Sometimes I feel like ducking when I see that someone has responded to this. It is a controversial topic for many. I just hope to make people think a little about it.

    blessings
    marianne

  27. ::sigh of relief:: FINALLY! I am not alone in this! Glory to God for those of us who are not afraid to stand for the truth! I am getting alot of resistance to this topic since I have been researching and praying about it myself. I’d much rather send a tenth (or more) to a poor widow in Israel KNOWING that she will be fed for that month than to help pay for my (former) Pastor’s New Mercedes Benz!!!! Ha!

  28. Hi Sila,

    thank you. I guess you would guess I am not too popular around churches. As one pastor said, church is a business now. When he said that, I left. Yes, you can do more direct good by helping people directly. This is the biblical way of charity..feed the poor, visit the sick, give water to the thirsty….personal contacts.

    blessings
    marianne

  29. ..whatsoever u do to the least (poor, needy, widowed, disabled etc) of my brothers that u do unto me…these words from Jesus sum up the separation of sheep from goats. they are relevant in the tithing debate whenever christians cannot go beyond paying a mandatory tithe..there is never enough left over to cater for the ‘least of MY BROTHERS’ as stated in the scripture. The problem is that today’s church is a business with an ever-escalating expense (at the cost of poor congragants) that there is a temptation NOT TO REPENT FOR ENFORCING AN OUTDATED LAW. Christ did all at Calvary and no tithe ca ADD or SUBTRACT FROM THE FINISHED WORK OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST! both pastors and congregants find themselves in a CTACH 22 situation where they are not willing to be condemned for doing right but they would rather fake contentment as long as they gain FLESHLY APPROVAL…God bless u

  30. HI victor

    The tithe was originally supposed to go to the poor, but in these modern times, the church expects the state to do this. It spends on its own programs, and neglects the poor, like you said.

    In my area, you cannot get any help for the poor directly from a church. They will refer you to a social services agency. They will not offer. They will ask where you go to church, and tell you to go there. It does not matter if your own church is small, with no money, or if your own church rejects you, the other church still will not help you.

    Sad, isn’t it?

    The church has failed in America. I cannot speak about other countries.

    blessings
    marianne

  31. I am a fairly new Christian and I have a deep desire to have a relationship with the Lord. I come from a very broken family, and neither of my parents has ever lived for God. I left home at a very young age and met my husband shortly after who was raised in the church, and I gave my life to God when we married. My husband and I now have two children and now more than ever I’ve had a burning desire to really know the Lord, I just don’t really know how. My husband is in the military and we just relocated to or current location. We have joined a church but I don’t feel like we are being properly feed and I feel like the women at the church are not really connected like we should be as women of God, we’re all just consumed with our own lives. My pastor’s wife told me that I just need to focus on God and not the women of the church, and I think she misunderstood my concern. Anyway, I was just doing some research online about tithing because, my husband and I just bought a house. I was actually working fulltime for a bit and felt like was I losing my mind and could no longer stand my children going to the sitter for 10 hours a day, I was in agony and asked the Lord for guidance. The Lord told me to resign from my job and raise my two young children and also be more of a support to my husband, and my husband also felt the same in his spirit. So I left my job and I’m at peace with it, but now money is tight, especially with a mortgage now. We can’t really afford to tithe right now and I’ve been feeling such guilt about it, they’ve been times when I didn’t go to church out of shame because we weren’t able to tithe. Just tonight after coming home from church I thought to myself “there must be a better way, this is not of God, this is not right”. So I ran into your site while researching the origins of the tithe, and I am so sad right now, I am still confused in some aspects because our pastor just told us that we need to be tithing off of our gross income because I’ve always thought that it was the reasonable thing to tithe off of the net. So I calculated how much 10% of our gross income is and it’s not doable right now, and I’m just torn about this issue.
    So as I’m typing this message to you with a heavy heart I want to ask you how can I become that mature Christian that you mention again and again? Because I’m not gaining the same knowledge about the original purposes of the tithe and the purpose of the pastor to the church just from reading my bible. Where do I go and what do I read to find out about those things that aren’t necessarily in the bible, but have so much to do with it?

    Last question, as I mentioned before my family members are not Christians and I tend to receive lots of ridicule for me choosing to go to church and live for the Lord. My mother really told me off the other day and laughed at me for giving money to the church. I don’t have found memories of my childhood but I want to be a reflection of Christ to my family. I love my parents and I really want my kids to know who there grandparents are, but at the same time I feel like I need to protect them from the negativity and the coldness that has been a family plague. I believe that there has been a curse on my family that the Lord has broken off of me and the generations to come, but I do believe that the environment in still so unhealthy. So my question is to what extent does “honor thy mother and thy father” apply to these situations? Am I obligated to withstand certain treatment and be in certain environments because they are my parents or can I love them from a distance? What is your take? Thanks in advance for your time.

    -Maggie

  32. Dear Maggie,

    From your letter, you are already more mature than you think. Tithing today is an abused law that is twisted by the church in order to stay in business. Not even the Jews tithe now, because there is no temple in Jerusalem. Only the temple tax is used for synagogue support, which is about $500 – 800 a year per household. The rest is voluntary offerings.

    1. purpose of the tithe – It originally was for the poor. The law did not collect tithes from the poor, or the needy (low income), but GAVE to the poor from what was brought in. It was only collected once a year, not every week. It did not go to a pastor’s salary, personal car, a building program, or to pay a mortgage on the temple. There are 2 posts on tithing. Be sure you read both of them. one is more extensive. The tithe was old testament law, when there was a theocracy, and no other taxes. We are now under grace. We just give from our hearts as we are able. The “10% of gross salary” is a lie. It is not in the bible anywhere.

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/108/

    http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tithing-for-jews-and-christians-for-internet-pdf-conversion.pdf

    2. maturity – this comes with a full commitment to Christ and a knowledge of the scriptures that is sufficient to support one’s faith. You do not have to memorize the bible first. You just have to be able to search out topics you need to get the correct information. Remember the early apostles were most likely in their 20’s, and they were ready to go out and preach. It only took a few years to train them. Remember bible schools are only 2 years long.

    3. original purpose of a pastor – this was to train the new converts, who were usually gentiles, since the Jews already had religious education since they were young. once the new converts were trained, they went out and preached also. The pastor afterward was just a support system and friend. The pastor was never paid a salary. The bible said that everyone had to work and contribute. Staying in one church one’s entire life, listening to, and paying, one man to teach you things you already knew after a while, was unheard of. new converts became mature in a short time, and they went out on their own ministries.

    “gifts” were not for the chosen few, but for everyone to use to bring in new converts.

    4. how to resolve your Christianity with your family. I would first stay home from the church you are with. I am sure it has some good points, but the pastor is out of line, and is typical of the materialistic orientation of today’s churches. Read the bible carefully, starting with the new testament, and study it carefully. Take notes. You can visit other churches, but do not settle in until you find the one that matches what you read.

    Let your family know that you are looking for the REAL Jesus, and the REAL Christian faith, and not just something people see on Tv. I think your honest search, and your avoidance of any false teachings, will send the signal to the family that you are REAL too.

    Most unbelievers are turned off by what they see on TV, and they should be turned off. Everything on TV is about money. In time, they will appreciate the wisdom that you are collecting. This is because you will be about Jesus, and not money. They will see it in your life.

    They may never go to a church, but they may eventually start listening to what you have to say, because they will know you are going to the original source, and coming up with a pure knowledge of the faith.

    5. you are always welcome to contact me. I was in the church for 50 years, and then I left. I realized I was more mature and bible knowledgeable than the pastors. I needed fresh bread, not stale bread.

    blessings
    marianne

    • I saw Maggie’s post and I just want to encourage her to listen to you and hang on. She will be spared heartache.
      I am trying to undo seven years of brainwash. Maggie wondered how she will know? You were correct to point out that she is already more mature than she realizes. Seven years ago I had her questions because the Holy Spirit put them there, but I ignored God and listened to pastors and other Christians I assumed were more mature than me. Sad but true those who’ve been in the institutional church for a long time are the last people to ask, yet that’s where we go. When we search and clearly Maggie is God gives us the truth. We think because we don’t yet know all the scriptures that we need to check with everybody else. The bible is truly the word of God however I worship the giver not the gift. Scriptures have and always will be twisted to suit a particular group or need. Most Christians simply cannot believe that Jesus really did care if it ALL on the cross, humans simply must believe they have a part and they really don’t. The true love of God will put genuine desires in us to naturally do for God but God does it and already did it all without our help and certainly without us paying for it. The woman who claimed she heard anger, speaking for myself there’s still much anger in me. I’m still in pain while detoxing from the religious rituals that, though God loves us He detests rituals. I pray for Maggie continues to listen to the Holy Spirit and know she is hearing from Him now, not after she’s done memorizing scripture.
      There was no scripture for the early church and they all were led by the Spirit and the bible did not replace Gods Spirit. Maggie just needs to stay in prayer, I hope she stays out of church until God gives her the okay. God is amazing and He will send Christians her way. I’m praying for God to send them my way because for now it’s doubtful I will ever sit in a pew staring at the back if a head listening to one man who somehow has come to believe God needs him to speak to the little sheep. I pray for Maggie!
      God Bless, Kim

  33. this i s good the best i have seen thank you

  34. Dear Elder Austin,

    Thank you for the nice complement. I hope you have a nice Christmas season, and you find many blessings where you are at.

    marianne

  35. Luke, do you suggest a section called Jeremiah 3:15-17 refers to the past and only the past? Perhaps I have not read much in here and you will reply by email. -Jacob (atruthsearcher@aol.com)

  36. Hi Jacob,

    I have let Luke know that you have left him a message.

    blessings
    marianne

  37. Marianne,
    Thank you!

  38. Marianne, what if pastors do not use the tithes for themselves, but use it for missions and the spreading of the gospel. Is there a scripture in the New Covernant to support this with out violating Gal: 3:10, which states that there is a curse on those who are under the works of the law and obligate to do one thing under the law and not all -(paraphase). What exactly are they curse with here?

  39. Hi Ella,

    What is really important is that the money is spent on things that God considers important. Missions and spreading of the gospel are appropriate uses of the money. In this case, it does not matter what name (tithe, offering, etc) is used for the money.

    blessings
    marianne

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  41. Tithing predates the law. Abraham gave a tenth before there was a law. Even though the book of Proverbs is written in the Old Testament, Proverbs is not a book of law, but a book of principles. Proverbs 3: 9, 10 says, ” Honor the LORD with your possessions, and with the firstfruits of all your increase; so your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will overflow with new wine.” This is not law; it’s a principle. Galatians 3:24,25 says, “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, but after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor (law).” Under the law, people were “tutored” to give a tenth. Hebrews 8:6 says, “But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.” We are under a better covenant; however, not being under the law does not mean we are exempt from the principles of Gods Word. Even in Malachi, 3:10 when it talks about bringing the tithe into the storehouse, the Word does not say, “… bring the tithe into the temple,” or “bring the tithe into the synagogue.” God says, “… that there may be food in My house.” The storehouse is where the food is stored and dispensed. Today, it is the local church. If every Christian believed they did not have responsibility to give (at least a tenth, and whatever your faith directs beyond that), no church would survive. The difference between the tithe in the Old Testament and the New is that, in the Old Testament, you were obligated to give. In the New Testament, you’re expected to use your faith to give. We’re expected to believe that “Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness” (2 Corinth. 9:10); and “He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.” (2Corinth. 9:6-8) The church does not provide a fee for service, like a bank or a supermarket. It exists solely on the offerings of its members. Tithing is the manifestation of the principles of giving found in the book of Proverbs and throughout the New Testament. If you can’t trust the Lord with your money, what makes you think you can trust Him with your life? I’m not a pastor, but I am a tither. I find that most people who preach against tithing never give anything. My wife and I have 9 children, three in College, and we’re debt free. We are middle income and simply use our faith to give and to operate under the principles of God’s Word. If using your faith were easy, everyone would do it. It involves trusting God that He will do what He says He will do in His Word. Set a goal to give a tenth. Tell God what your goal is and “prove” His faithfulness. (Malachi 3: 10) Start with what you can give in faith and whatever is returned to you beyond your regular earnings, give a tenth to Him. This includes raises, promotions, birthday or holiday money, graduation money, known savings on repairs because of a great deal, etc. Once you realize you can trust a living God with your finances, no one will ever convince you that you should not be tithing.

  42. Hi Robert,

    You are just regurgitating the current un-biblical application of the tithe by the modern church. The tithe is only for certain times, and uses, and the church is totally out of line for redefining the tithe. Not even the Jews tithe, because it is only for at the temple in jerusalem and when/ if it gets rebuilt, the tithe is to be EATEN by the bringer, and shared with the poor. it is not to be given to an organization so the pastor can get paid.

    I have given my whole life, so i already understand the sales pitch for the tithe. I consider this modern misuse and intentional wrong definition of the tithe an abomination. The poor does get my money, and I probably give more to the poor than any church I have been in. I have seen my local churches spend the money on themselves, and ignore the poor who knocks on their door.

    You need to learn how God instructed the Jews to tithe, and forget what your prosperity preacher tells you. I encourage you to go back, and read the original directions, instead of just accepting at face value what man tells you. They are misusing scripture to benefit financially.

    http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tithing-for-jews-and-christians-for-internet-pdf-conversion.pdf

    I am also debt free. I obey God, not man.

    Take time to research this. There are many, many sincere people who tithe and are very poor. They cannot make the claims you do. So God only rewards a few people? Most Christians who tithe are not debt free.

    blessings’
    marianne

  43. Robert,

    I want to apologize. I responded in a way that was too rough. It is just that I have seen many families, and individual’s lives, destroyed by the very message you presented. You may have meant well. So I acknowledge that.

    marianne

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  47. Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. Psalm 119:165

    • Hi Chris,

      Not sure what you were meaning. I am very familiar with that verse.

      There are true offenses, which we can discuss, and evaluate, and then there is our response to the offenses.

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    • Hi nurse scrubs

      I appreciate your comments. I send updates about every 1-2 weeks. I will put you on my email list. Have a great day.

  49. mmmm…….. fasciinating. I thought this issue of tithing was in Kenya alone but alas. Men of God are doing us a disservice by making us empty our pockets and live from hand to mouth just to enrich themselves. I am yet to see a man of God (these sides) use the tithe to feed the poor, unfortunately some say the man of God is always right so you can never correct them but only ask God to correct them.

  50. Marianne,

    My husband and I agree with you on this issue and found this article very informative and true to the word of God. A decade ago the Holy Spirit led us to the truth and delivered us from bondage. We now give freely because that is what Jesus instructed us to do. No rules, no amounts, no pressure, no quilt, just pure Joy, knowing that God loves a cheerful giver. To give under compulsion is not ‘giving’ at all.

    Your sense of humor is a breath of fresh air on a hot humid afternoon in mid-summer.

    God bless your work for the kingdom.

  51. Marianne,

    The Lord Yeshua has truly opened your eyes that you might see and that you might blow the shofar of warning against those in error who defile themselves in the pursuit of filthy lucre and use their congregations as merchandise. The Lord will judge these false shepherds and hirelings for they have led the sheep to wolves to be devoured as prey. I do not marvel at this, knowing full well that even Satan can transform himself into a Minister of Light. Satan dwells openly now within these Churches finding a home among the spiritually dead and blind, for those that attend these Churches also desire the things of the flesh or carnal desires equating wealth with holiness.

    I commend you Marianne on your brave stand and may the Lord God of Creation bless you richly in wisdom and knowledge of his Word which is our Bread of Life. For the Word of God was made flesh and did dwell among us. Blessings to all that heed this truth, for the chains of bondage that are now present among the Body of Christ must now be broken that we might prepare ourselves for the coming of the Bridegroom.

  52. You know what really upsets me. In a lot of “pentecostal churches” today they have gigantic thermometer or a humungus sign that tells the people how much the church owes for the mortgage. What the people have paid and what is still owing on the building because some pastor has decided he needs a biggar church. They serve the God of mammon. Then they sing songs of what a sinner I am and hang Jesus back up on the cross. We are in deep deep trouble. Where are the prophets in in all of this or should I say, “where are the profits” in this?

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  54. As a recovering former tither (about 30 yrs!), I so agree with this article. But wow, you’re being really hard on pastors and assuming the worst motives. Of all the pastors I’ve had or known, I have yet to find one that’s truly lazy. Nor do I buy that just because they teach tithing, they’re being greedy (altho I’m sure there are some). I believe most of them are as sincere as their tithing members; they’re simply teaching what they were taught. And I think a lot of their testimonies of tithing promoting their prosperity (which seems to validate it), are lumping tithing together w/ real giving.

    I’ve watched tithers for years, and most of them always struggled financially. It was the GIVERS among them, that had unusual prosperity. My eyes were opened to this in the book, “The Tithe That Binds” (don’t have the author, but it can be Googled).

    • hi cindy

      thanks for your comment, to balance the view here.

      I know many sincere tithers, and many sincere pastors.

      My concern is that, sincere or not, all are in a trap, and not understanding the true nature and purpose for tithing. It has become a tradition, and no one questions it. In many churches, you cannot even belong there unless you tithe.

      People need to go back to the OT and re-read all about it. It was only for the high priest, so they could share in the meal of the tither, and help the poor. There were no salaries or housing allowances.

      Pastors are not high priests in Jerusalem. They are not levites, and the tithe is only brought to levites.

      the tithe has no place in gentile worship. Christian giving is based on free will offerings.

      The secret as you say, is that god rewards a giver, not a forced tither.

      Since the tithe is for the poor, then the poor should not pay tithes, but receive them.

  55. Hi Marianne,

    My husband and I go to a small church of less than 15 people. This church teaches,”We are not held under the tithing law. But, we should be tithing anyway.”

    The pastor has a way of making you feel guilty if you don’t. This is confusing. Our pastor is getting paid a full-time salary but not working full-time ministry. He gets paid about $3000,00 a month which goes towards the church bills and the rest goes to the pastor and his family. Also note that once in a while the pastor’s wife complains to the ladies during women’s bible study that the tithing pot is pretty pitiful and she always talks about how she got her clothes at the Goodwell.

    Is this comment suppose to make us feel guilty?

    Does this seem wrong?

    KY

    • hi KY

      They, like most, are taking advantage of you, and trying to make you feel guilty. You do not owe them anything. I get clothes at good will. It is a good deal, and shows I am smart with my money.

      $3000 a month is outrageous. 15 people do not create that much in bills. There should not be a building in this case, since everyone should fit in the living room.

      They are in it for the money. What are they teaching that is so revolutionary, or profound, or miraculous that they should get money for it?

      Jesus did not die a bloody death on the cross so that people could make money off his death.

      This is one big reason why you never see me asking for money, or putting a “DONATE” button on my site. It is spiritual prostitution. So far, I have had 973,652 (close to one million) hits on my site in 2 years, I have answered close to 20,000 comments, written over 350 posts, answered numerous phone calls, and never once asked a soul to give me money or complain about not having new clothes.

      All this in 2 years. I spend over 60 hours a week here too. I also sponsor a child overseas. I live on a tiny income that most could not make it on, because GOD, not man, provides my daily bread. I am satisfied. Why can’t they manage on multiple, large incomes?

      Jesus did not pull a salary, and he was full time. The apostles did not get one either, and they were so devoted they sacrificed their own lives for the gospel. Any money in offerings went to the poor.

      “Church” today is a business, not a calling from God.

      Jesus has commanded us to get out of Babylon (false religious system) and be part of the Bride of Christ.

      I know fellowship is important for most people, but you should not have to pay for it.

    • You can get some deals at the Good Will, and that store helps people, so whats wrong with that!
      I was a time share salesman and had to dress in dress shirts, suit jacket and tie, can you guess were i shopped?
      No… Sakes Fifth Avenue silly!
      Just kidding, and I looked sharp and never spent more than $20.00 for everything, so that poor pastors wife should complain should she, shame on the preacher and his misses.
      Seems they need to learn how to eat and enjoy humble pie

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  57. I agree that tithing is abused in many churches. However, proportionate giving is still a Biblical concept and is found both in the Book of Acts (Acts 4:34) and the Church Epistles (1 Corinthians 16:2). Moving God’s Word requires money, and it is the believer’s responsibility to provide in this category (Read 2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9)

    Giving and receiving is a spiritual law. When we give with a willing heart, it opens the door for God to bless us back. Malachi 3: 10-12. Yes, this is Old Testament. However, many similar promises are found in the Gospels and Epistles. This implies that these promises did not end on the Day of Pentecost. I have seen many blessings in my life because of my faithful giving in the material category.

    The next question is, to whom should you give your financial offerings? Tithes are best planted where the rightly divided Word is being taught and lived.

    Marianne made a good point that a good church should offer avenues for spiritual growth as well as being outreach-minded and a fertile ground for newly born again believers to grow in the Word. Once that environment is found, tithing and abundant sharing (above 10%) is a vital part of a believer;s spiritual growth in that environment.

  58. A very interesting site. I have done a lot of thinking about this issue lately. I am a member of a church where there seems to be a lot of pressure for more giving. I am widowed and on a very limited income – trying to keep my head above water. I own my house and a 15 year old car. I have a budget, and it does not even come close to balancing out with my necessary expenses.

    Our pastor called everyone last year under the guise of making things more personal. The questions asked were: What makes you excited about the church, what new programs would you like to see, do you have a faith story to share? And the last question: Will you promise to prayerfully support the church with your time, talents and treasures?

    This all happened after our annual meeting in which he felt we needed to take in more money. I told him that I felt that putting pressure on people took away being able to worship God in giving what they could cheerfully give. Pledge cards were sent to my house 3 times. I told him that once was plenty – that if someone didn’t return the first card, they were probably making a statement that they didn’t wish to, or that they felt they couldn’t pledge. He also put in the bulletin how many people gave $40, $200, $600 a month (names were not listed). I have a hard time understanding why people need to know that.

    So, this year after our annual meeting in which the church budget was tight, he came up with the brainstorm of dividing all families up into pairs, and those pairs would be asked to contact each other with the same questions he had asked last year. He just wanted everyone to have the joy of those one-on-one conversations.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t feel comfortable doing that. He only suggested it when he felt the church needed more money. It is extremely uncomfortable to call people you don’t know and start asking them those questions!

    I am beginning to feel like I really shouldn’t go to church, if I can’t afford to give more than I give. I hate this time of year and the pressure.

    If he wants people to call others, it seems more christian to call and see if anyone had needs that people in the church could help out with – rather than putting them on a guilt trip if they can’t give what is expected.

    • Dear Maxine

      It sounds like this place is not good for you at all.

      The tithe was originally food, not money.

      It was to be distributed to the widows and the poor.

      Nowadays, it is the poor and widows that pay the tithes.

      This is backwards, and wrong.

  59. Very informative,I go by newscruzer1 and my web page is newscruzer, so when I saw this I had to to ask how long you’ve been using the name newsscruzer,and what your decision was in choosing that as your user name, where you reside?
    It’s good to see someone point out the true teaching of Christianity.
    What is your take on the Zionist movement?
    Also your belief in separation of church and state.
    What would you have to say regarding people who profess to be leaders in the Christian faith, those like, farwell, baker, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton?

  60. Jesus came to fulfill the law of the profits, and gave two new commandments, saying, ” I came not to destroy the law of the profits but to fulfill them, and the two new commandments i give you hinge on the old law(Ten Commandments)
    The first is to love Jehovah your God with all your soul, strength and mite, the second is to love your neighbor as yourself.”
    The tightening was done away with, you give what you resolve in your heart to give, no longer are Christian commanded to give 10%.
    I could take the time and quote those passages, but you could also look them up for yourself.
    if your inclined to make me prove what I have just stated, then let me know and I will take the time and do so.
    peace be with you

  61. I really enjoy your blog posts. I have been researching the topic for some time now and the information is on point. I am going to add you to my google reader. Keep up the good work!

  62. The enemy has conspired against this great God fearing nation and the nations of the earth:
    There is none to stand in the gap and intercede for the people of the Lord. All seek their own gain. People roam over the mountains like sheep without a Sheppard. But the Lord God of Hosts will not allow the mischief of the evil one.
    The people relied on Corporate America for an unfailing check and have not prepared for these times. Corporate America became greedy, therefore transferring all the work the people had to places where they can profit not a 100% but over a 1000% if possible. They used the people to extract the sketches of what it took to build this great nation. Your children engineered the trains, the factories, the mining machines. Yet all has been taken, and the people are left to be slaves to greed and be consumed.
    The Government needs complimentary support we can provide. Governance is countered by selfish interests, legal manipulation and corruption. Blindly and unwilling they have been used in the exodus of Jobs, manufacturing and wealth to greener pastures.
    Where there is no vision the people perish. The country suffers for lack of knowledge to decipher the times. Where is the Church, the Body of Christ, and the Leadership of the Church?
    Church arise encourage the people. The state does not want to stand with you but you can stand for the People. Provide Manufacturing skills, help reopen factories, restore trade with developing countries. Quit criticizing the Government; use the little support they provide grow the country. “Occupy till I come” said the Lord Jesus Christ, engage for God’s sake.
    Watch what you listen in the News-media; Despite our advanced education, there has never been a people so misinformed as ours. Distortion of facts and control of knowledge as this is worst than Communist propaganda in the Cold War era.
    Help the people with raw material procurement, import and exporting. The world still buys and sells, or else China would not still be in business, we alone willow in politics and speculative financial demagogies. You can still afford homes, if only there were jobs and home values were not manipulated. China prizes our products, Africa, Asia and Mediterranea still need what we make, and Europe wants a competitor.
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  63. Tithing was part of the old law convent.
    Jesus fulfilled the old law and gave two new commandments, he said, “I came not to destroy the law of the Profits, but to fulfill”,
    The first is to love Jehovah your God with your whole heart strength and might, and the second is to love your neighbor as yourself and on these two new commandments the laws of the profits henge.Matt.5:17,
    Also Gal.3:24,25 and Gal.5:14
    There is much to be said on this subject.Read, in Matt. 5:20 where Jesus is saying.” I say to you that if your righteousness does not abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens.
    We give what we resolve in our hearts to give.
    Do you truly believe that the scribes and pharisees in Jesus day were pleased to hear that there would be no more collecting of money in the temples,”The House of God”!
    The jig was up and they were pissed!
    So is it not then reasonable to believe that the Pharisees had something to do with having Jesus put to death!
    Get real, if a person came along disrupting your money flow, claiming to be the son of God, telling people that they no longer were commanded to give tithing’s “money” to the temple that you wouldn’t be wanting his head!
    Seems were living in a time period where everyone is battling for control of the other persons mind, to take control of people’s thought and beliefs.
    The scriptures say, “By their fruits you will know them”
    Today churches are doing anything to attract souls into their fold.
    You like rock music, there is a church that will offer that, you perhaps believe that people should be able to behave in any manner of their choosing, without any rules, well there is a church for you as well, or perhaps one that has a woman minister, or gay or liberal, left wing, or right wing mind set when it comes to politics.
    You get the point!
    When a child is born of loving and caring parents, those parents want to see that child grow and develop to be all that they can be, to fulfill their potential.
    When the child errors in his or her way while growing,is it reasonable to think a loving parent would beat that child repeatedly, forever and ever because of the child’s wrong doing?
    Then why would we believe that a loving God would burn someone in a burning fire forever and ever!
    The teaching of such a punishment is false, just are many of the church’s teachings.
    Take the word hell.
    The Hebrew word Sheol translated is grave, the Greek word for grave is Hades.
    You’ve heard the expression,”hotter than Hades?”
    The English translation from the Greek word is hell.
    So when you read that word Hades, it’s saying “grave”
    the English translation is said to be a very poor translation of the Greek word hell.
    T dictionary says this: Hades (noun), the abode of the dead in Greek mythology(hell)

  64. Hi Marianne!

    I found your website while looking for help in dealing with a Jezebel spirit and learning how the thing operates and get the person free from it. I have enjoyed what I have read so far on your site. I read just a little bit of this article but I will say that the only Shepherd I now have in my life is my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I follow only Him now and obey only His voice and He has taught me what i could never have learned under the ‘leadership’ of men.

    I see it this way: The end is coming and if we don’t know how to hear the voice of our beloved Saviour how will we survive when there are no churches to attend and no pastors to tell us what the ‘will’ of God is? We need to learn to be HIDDEN in Christ.

    May the LORD bless you in Spirit and in Truth. Thank you for creating this website.

  65. Wow, I was not taught this in any church I attended. Just like you said I was taught to give and if I didn’t I was going to hell and God wouldn’t bless me. I was a single mom for 20 years before I got married, and then married a man who is on Disability now, and we are still being taught to Tithe regarless. AND I DON’T EVEN WORK and haven’t work in 2 years because of spinal stenosis and spinal surgery. I am glad I read this and I know better, not that I don’t want to pay a tithe, but I don’t want to be lied to about paying it. Thanks for the information

    • hi Laurie

      If the church wants to follow the law, then it should be helping you, not the other way around. The church is to help the needy, and not take money away from them.

  66. I really enjoyed reading, it give more inside not to rely on what men say, but what the High Priest Jesus says we should do. we r accountable to God and no men.

    Thank you

  67. Marianne, I’m drinking my morning coffee and reading some of your earlier posts. My heart is blessed from reading your discussiona concerning many of our contemporary church traditions. AS a longstanding Baptist/Methodist blend Christian, I agree 100% with all you’ve said concerning tithing, salaried church offices, and so forth. AS you said, everything we have belongs to God. But tradition runs deep and fierce. When I am questioned by firm traditionalists about my belief on the subject of tithing and pastor worship (lol), I remember that I once saw it the same as they. So I usually just change the subject. When they are ready to know…God will teach them.

    Again, thank you for being open to things of God. My heart is encouraged.

    Carolyn

  68. Your blog is totally on point. I have found myself since 2007 researching this topic. And I just can’t figure out why people are so brainwashed and clueless in the body of Christ. One thing is to only know what you have been taught but then for the evidence to be pointed out (which is truly common sense) makes me wonder if a special koolaid had been past out during communion if you know what I mean. J/K. But on a serious note you have to want to stay blind to the fact to not see truth when it’s starring you in the face. I wish you many blessings on your journey to help people to understand the gospel. Truly what you bring to the people is the good news (Free at last Free at last thank God almighty we are free at last).

    Love you in Yeshua the Christ

    Clarise

    • hi Clarise

      I am glad you are free of this. It does not stop us from freely giving when we see a need. So when we give, it is from the heart. God bless you.

  69. This is not trustable, what you wrote.
    1) There are no Bible verses, just some big paper wrote with own meanings….
    2) remember, that we live in 21st century, so something is changed from Old testament and there will not be the same money gathering and distribution as in Old Testament. It needs to get Old and New together.
    3) It is subjective to say that pastors do not work all week as pastors…Our pastor and other I had and how I see what they do:
    1) preparing for a GOOD sermon, listening, writing, it needs really much time
    2) Prayer meeting once a week
    3) Leaders meeting once a week
    4) Sermon all day with driving from one city to other takes all that day
    5) books writing when Holy Spirit asks
    6) Some time ago he was also going in another city to give a sermon,too, so it is another day full
    7) Man group leading once a week I guess or maybe not,don’t know now…
    8) First of all PRAYER TIME for pastor needs to be the biggest, for him-4 hours a day…
    9) once a month big leader meeting

    I thing it is enough for working person, I see that he has more that 8 hours of working or leading something a week, and he was working before he had so big church as we have now…but just he could not do it anymore…

    • dear Ania,

      How your pastor operates is fine, if you think he works full time.

      In America, it does not happen this way.

      I do not know of any pastor that prays 4 hours a day. Most efforts are part time.

      Meetings once a week are part time efforts, the same effort that his congregation makes.

      If he is listening to the holy spirit, he can put together a sermon in a few hours, or as little as a few minutes, if he is really inspired.

      Usually when it takes longer, he is using his own efforts and thoughts, instead of the holy spirit.

    • dear Ania,

      How your pastor operates is fine, if you think he works full time.

      In America, it does not happen this way.

      I do not know of any pastor that prays 4 hours a day. Most efforts are part time.

      Meetings once a week are part time efforts, the same effort that his congregation makes.

      If he is listening to the holy spirit, he can put together a sermon in a few hours, or as little as a few minutes, if he is really inspired.

      Usually when it takes longer, he is using his own efforts and thoughts, instead of the holy spirit.

  70. Interestingly, the only folkwho dont think its wrong are the thieves themselves. I firmly rebuked this evil folks, and im surprised i have ended up like Martha Moxley.

  71. Without the tithe, fake Christianity would wither and die.

  72. I am glad I came across this blog. I used to tithe as well and although I did not have any problems financially while tithing, I was having problems spiritually. I did not know why I was tithing, and I did not feel as if the tithe was being used properly. So i spent a month or two looking it up in the Word. As stated clearly on here, tithe was used for a different purpose at a different time. It is in the Word. Tithe is explained fully in the Bible. What it is supposed to be and what is supposed to be done with it. However, for the preacher that teach tithe, most never preach the “what is supposed to be done with it.” That seems to be the mystery area. They teach all about how much and why you are supposed to give them, but nothing is said how they are to be used. I’ve done by research and have prayed about it, and see where Tithe today is not biblical. For me the main reason is this. How can you pluck out Tithing as the only part of the Law you still engage in. What about the feasts? What about the sacrifices? Did not all of these work in conjunction under the law? I believe that they did and you can’t have one without the other. It does not take a pastor to understand this. But I think some pastors are so blind by wanting to do the right thing, that they only preach what they are taught, and do not let the Holy Spirit guide them to all truth.

    Also, from time to time I like to engage in biblical conversation on facebook. Please visit my page and weigh in on the most recent topic. It is important that the saints come to an agreement on biblical standpoints. Only in agreement can we be the church God wants us to be.. Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of One heart and of One soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

    • hi Mr. Ray

      Jesus did not abolish the law. He fulfilled it and properly explained it.

      As you say, getting the proper interpretation is important.

      The tithe was a sacrificial meal, where the tither had a communion meal with God 1-3 x a year. So he ate the tithe. This was to bring him closer to God, and help the poor.

      This is now replaced with the communion meal.

      The feasts were not “laws”….they were feasts or holidays of the Lord…they were to be celebrated….even the day of atonement, since on that day, the gates of heaven were opened as they repented, and their sins were forgiven. Forgiveness was celebrated, as they were inscribed in the book of life for another year.

      I will try to stop by your facebook page. Hope others do as well.

  73. be careful how you teach. be careful of your doctrine. sometimes we think we are too smart to out smart God but the coming judgement will reveal what kind of preachers we were. For every single word you speak, you will be judged so make sure your teachings and doctrine are sound. Heretic teachings have always been there in almost every generation but woo to him that teaches such.

    • dear mpundu

      There is no heresy here. But this has become such a financially profitable false doctrine that churches will never let go of it. If they were to abandon it, they would have to go back to the way Jesus preached the gospel.

      The tithe is only for the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Even the Jews do not tithe now because there is no temple. They only give offerings.

      The early apostles never collected tithes, but only accepted occasional offerings that were offered, and not asked for. They all had jobs, and expected everyone in the church to work. They took care of widows, instead of requiring money from them.

      The tithe is not for gentiles or the church. It is food, not money. It is a private communion meal with God, not finances for someone’s salary and the light bill. The modern gentile tithe system has completely prostituted the true meaning of the tithe.

      Instead of accepting conclusions given you by others, read the bible, and find this out for yourself.

      http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tithing-for-jews-and-christians-for-internet-pdf-conversion.pdf

      more reading on this site….hope that helps.

  74. Yes,
    I agree with the Biblical concept on tithing expecially as it is stated by Prophet Malachi. Whosoever that does not tithe steals from God. And definitly there are punishments for non comformity on the practice of tithe. I as An Anglican minister in Church of Nigeria Anglican Communion declares that my people and i will continue to obey God through tithing. to avoid the wrath of GOd upon us.
    Also, there are lots of blessings upon those that pay tithe, so i stand to say that the issue of tithe should not be over emphasised but must be teach, adopt, and practice.

    Atueyi S.C. Stanley (West Africa Theological Seminary-Lagos)
    Mobile Phone: 08064140183

  75. Yes,
    I agree with the Biblical concept on tithing expecially as it is stated by Prophet Malachi. Whosoever that does not tithe steals from God. And definitly there are punishments for non comformity on the practice of tithe. I as An Anglican minister in Church of Nigeria Anglican Communion declares that my people and i will continue to obey God through tithing. to avoid the wrath of GOd upon us.
    Also, there are lots of blessings upon those that pay tithe, so i stand to say that the issue of tithe should not be over emphasised but must be teach, adopt, and practice.

    Atueyi S.C. Stanley (West Africa Theological Seminary-Lagos)
    Mobile Phone: 08064140183

    God bless you for that

  76. I applaud your boldness to speak the truth (in love). I too, have had to listen to relentless accusation of being disobedient to “God’s word” for not tithing!

    Enough is enough! “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matt 15:9

    The days of the “organized church” is at hand. Find a good HOME church and share freely with each other. We all will be going back to the New Testament way of church very soon!

  77. Wow! God bless you all.! I love reading this. I have had eye opening experiences myself recently. I’ve been a “tither” for many years. The Holy Spirit has spoken to me recently. I would love for anyone to listen to the sermon I listened to last Sunday. Marianne especially. I would love to get feedback. This pastor is young, like 33. Been pastoring this church for already 6 years. He’s very enthousiastic. The week prior, he said that he would be disclosing financial records next week. Marianne, please take the time to watch this, and let me know what you feel.

    I have more to say, but I’ll wait till I have time. Maybe you guys will have watched it by then.

    Thanks and God Bless you all !!!!

    http://vimeo.com/34797720

    • hi ann

      that is a typical presentation for pastors to draw money from people.

      I have heard that many times.

      there is a difference between giving to God, and giving to the pastor.

      he is not jesus.

      most churches spend the money on the buildings and salaries….

      the apostles did not get a salary, and they did not build buildings with large expenses.

      so, in general, I would still not agree, no matter how enthusiastic the speaker is….I would give money if it was being transferred to someone in need.

      this pastor is materialistic. he even admitted he had 30 pairs of shoes. why? because his salary allows him to spend money like that….salary provided by the church….so that money was not spent on the poor, but on his vanity.

      while he used certain scriptures out of context to support his views, he ignores scriptures that chastise priests who pray for gain, and prophets who divine for money. the money issue with God is those who serve God because they get paid, and they would not be doing it for free. god intentionally stated that the priesthood would not have any land, or inheritance…just HIM…..this is to keep them pure from the greed for money, and make them holy before HIM.

      this pastor is using the usual guilt trip to get people to give money. he is just being nice about it…..he is a good salesman.

      99.999 % of all pastors now work for a salary…..and would not be preaching if they did not get paid…..they would have a regular job. the bible does not require a church to support a mans’ salary just because he talks about God. the tithe normally goes to the salary first, then other salaries, then bills,…….

      we are ALL supposed to preach the gospel, if we are saved.

      if we let one person do our jobs for us, then we are guilty of negligence.

      giving is an individual decision and responsibility. If you can determine that the offering is going to someone in need, or a legitimate purpose, like bibles, then go ahead. if it is going into a general fund for some obscure reason, then I would hold back. for example, I give to a ministry that digs water wells in africa….I also give to my local homeless shelter. I will also give to a poor mother I know with 6 children……does that church give like that?

      we are the stewards……God will hold us accountable for how we spend our money…….so we have to investigate where the money goes.

      I am here 24 / 7, and I never ask for money. I live on a tiny pension which qualifies me as below the poverty level….but God provides my daily bread. I help people and spread the Word all day, and night…I have been up since 3 am……

      If I can do this, a young able bodied man can get a job to support himself and show up on sunday to give a sermon.

      • I agree. Thank you for your feedback. I’ve attended several sermons at this church. This man is blessed with a gift of gab. He’s young, and the younger and new believers are in awe of him. He’s very talented.
        What blows the mind, if you watched it in full with eYes wide open, he actually boasts the amount he has given to the church in 2011. Then utter silence about his salary from the church. Though he does say, if you want a line by line printout of where all the money is spent, he will give it to you…. I would really like to take him up on that. I would love to know line by line, where it is going.
        Because of events leading up to that sermon, I predicted that might very well happen. Sure enough, he disclosed the amount he gave to the church. Had no intention on saying, here is what we take as “full time pastor’s salary.”
        Mind you, he just shut down his business that he had owned for I believe over 10 years. “Handing the baton off to his main guy there.” Now he states that he will work on Fridays at that new shop, and that there is much to do at the church.
        I hope and pray that he is blind to what he’s doing, and not purposely misleading the sheep for the love of money. I didn’t see today’s follow up sermon to that message, which is supposed to be.. “Stewardship with money.”
        I look forward to hearing it. I hope you watch it, and tell me what you think. I’ll post you the link here.
        God really has been growing me. Part of that growth has led me to being a true steward of God’s money, and the time to question with boldness as to where this money is going, and if it is blessing Jesus Christ’s work, is now. The time is short.

        Thanks!

  78. I was googling on ‘tithes’ and your website came up. Lot to read(which I will).

    But what I wanted to know if is we do not pay tithes and offerings, then how can the church survive in the day and age. I mean where would the money come for repairs, utility bills etc.?

    I have stopped paying tithes a few months ago. Instead I give it to charlies who actually work to spread the Gospel. I am happy with that. As the Lord blesses me more, I intend to increase this amount. I see a lot of hunger for the Gospel in countries like China, India and also in Africa.

    My money is all for them. I used to feel so much burden when I use to miss any tithes. I was not sure how would I ever pay all those tithes back to God. But God never wants us to be burdened about anything except for praying for our brothers and sisters. Ever since I stopped paying tithes, I got a new job, more pay etc.

    My wife and I help others who need money and we still have money left over.

    And the glory goes to our Father and His son Christ Jesus our Lord.

    • hi Phil

      You are to give as you see fit in your heart.

      You are not obligated to set dollar amounts.

      This is what you are doing now.

      The church can be given free will offerings, if people so wish.

      • I’ve been really blessed by this article and comments and I agree with the author and Robert. The author seems to support tithe only if well used but as a matured believer, I dont think that one should avoid tithe just because of financial problems. If you believe in God and serve Him as in Mat 6:33, the rewards will follow. Morever, if 90% cant meet your needs, I doubt 100% would do. The church does not depend on tithe to survive hence keeping your money doesnt halt God. But let me say this, I am not a pastor but my knowlegde of the Bible and good judgement tells me that teaching against tithe is simply heretic. Instead, teach people spiritual discernment so as to spot false pastors and flee. Also teach men to trust God even in finances and not that avoiding tithe makes things easier.
        I’ve read other powerful articles and I pray for more grace upon your life. Keep on the good work of blessing lives.
        Love, Emma Innocent, Nigeria!

        • hi Emmanuel

          Technically, tithes are not required of believers. We are only to give freely as we see fit in or hearts. The law of tithing was for the old testament sacrifices, for sins, and Jesus has paid for our sins.

          not even Jews tithe now, because the only place the tithe was supposed to be brought was to the temple in Jerusalem. and the temple is not there. so Jews will start tithing when the next temple is built.

  79. Wow! I like this article. It hits the nail on the head.

  80. Many churches are filled with lords and hireling NOT Servants of the Lord. Thought Jesus said the greatest among us is the greatest servant, not those who lord it over people and their wallets.
    I was in one church where there was Pastor’s Anniversary, Pastor’s Birthday, Pastor’s Wife Birthday, Pastor’s Anniversary, Expensive Tickets for Banquet and endless Conferences, Pastor’s Appreciation, Founder’s Convention, The Church Building Fund where you had to pledge money to expand the bldg. plus Tithes and Offerings. The Pastor said cut back and give more but bought a brand new car and another vacation house. This appeal for money for some new thing went on every other month ( and this Church was in a lower income area). I finally was so tapped out I could not afford to be a member of that church anymore and feed my family.
    It took one whole year before they sent me a post card wondering why I was not tithing any longer. I called and told them I had given my notice of withdrawing my membership months back. I was promptly hung up on without so much as a pretense that we miss you and not your tithe money.
    No thanks to organize religion anymore. I can pray and read my bible at home.
    Sincerely
    Fred UP

  81. Deceitful Tithing

    Signs of the times

    Dear Saints, these are the signs of the end times that Jesus spoke of, and because we know it then we also know that the Bible warns us of false brethren who come into our churches to see what freedoms and liberty we have in Christ.

    You see they are concerned with the material things of this life and they see God’s people as easy pickings so to speak, for that is the whole desire of their covetous, evil hearts. But the Bible tells us to seek first the kingdom of heaven, and all the things pertaining to this life will be added unto us.

    Now some people look upon the church and think that we are naive, they seek to take advantage of God’s people by trying to use scriptures from our Lords word to financially gain from us, by twisting the Holy Scriptures they bring God’s Word into disrepute thus causing the truth to be evil spoken of.

    So you see by greed and cunning devices they try to extract money from the church of God. In their eyes they think that they are on to a good thing, but their end shall be so awful that we just do not want to think about it.

    Jeremiah 48:10. Cursed be he that doeth the work of the Lord deceitfully.—

    The Bible puts it very strongly that they will bring damnation upon themselves. Dear loved ones, do not listen to people like that, who try to make you uneasy and guilty about your giving, because God loves a cheerful giver, His love remains the same, if you give a little, a lot or even nothing at all, He changes not, He still loves you very much.

    That is why we have so much liberty in Christ, for we are led by the Holy Ghost and He doesn’t make it hard for us to follow Him, for Jesus said, “My yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” God bless you always.

  82. Hi Marianne, my name is Koren and I have recently come to your site and read some of the info. here about tithing. In the past year and a half I have done a lot of reading in Scripture and on other sites, a Facebook page called “Joyfully Growing In Grace” and “rr-bb.com”, praying and asking God to show me the truth in His Word with regards to “Law vs. Grace”. I had encountered a family member who had started observing the Saturday Sabbath Day and Feasts and wanted to know why.

    There is so much we need to know and God’s Word contains the TRUTH!

    I have been very ill for the past 12 years and in the past couple of years I no longer attend Church but my two son ages 18 and 15 have continued and now my 18 year old is leaving home. What I have been really struggling with recently is the “tithing” that is being preached in the Church and him paying 10% of his wages. I don’t know all where this money is going when he does, I do believe that the Pastor is not working, so I do believe he is receiving some support from the members.

    I do believe that tithing is no longer for us as believers and that it is Old Covenant and that we are no longer under The Law but under Grace. I need to read more in His Word and pray more about it….. but I am met with opposition and have a question for you.

    I hope you can help me find the answer to what someone is telling me, from what I have read on some sites, perhaps here also, I don’t remember and like I said, I have not yet had a chance to read and read and read and study all of Scripture to know as much as some, like perhaps yourself! So I am asking you for direction into God’s Word to help me.

    It will be easier for me to post the quote of what someone has said to me so that you can see what they are saying exactly….. Here it is:

    “Melchizedek was the priest of the Most High God. The bread and wine he offered to Abraham had a close resemblance to the Lord’s Supper. (Luke 22: 14 -23)

    Hebrews 7 sheds more light on Melchizedek. Here he is called the priest of the Most High God. He was the only one qualified to receive tithes from Abraham. All this happened before the law was established. There is no record of Abraham, who at this time was still called Abram, being told to give tithes to God. Nor is any explanation given for Abraham’s paying of tithes. It seems as if the tithes were a free will offering that Abraham instinctively knew he should give. He did it willingly.

    Abraham’s victory in battle led him to pay tithes. He was not paying a financial debt but offering a gratitude of praise and thanks to God with his tithes. Abraham was moved to give tithes not compelled.
    This is from the living library. Note: THIS WAS BEFORE THE LAW WAS ESTABLISHED.”

    I will be praying and asking God to show me in Scripture what I need here but I really would like some guidance? Can you help?

    Blessings,
    Koren

    • hi Koren

      Abraham only paid homage to Melchizedek one time. It was not a weekly pattern of giving.

      That was an ancient custom to win the favor of someone in a higher position.

  83. Pastors must not rob people or sell the word of God but tithes are in the bible

  84. Hi my name is EJ I love this. We are giving to all by give the words of of the LORD thats tithes too. God bless to all

  85. Forget man’s opinion, thus says the Word of God: Look it up

    Colossians 2:14
    Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    The tithe was one ordinance that Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 was the least important aspect of the law to Jews who were bound by the law before he fulfilled the law on the cross.

    Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

    Just goes to show how many brainwashed bible illiterates are enslaved by fear of an Old Covenant curse in Malachi that they have been redeemed from when God was speaking to a whole other nation before Jesus fulfilled the law by dying on the cross.

    Tithe Liars are really the ones under a curse, it is the other way around from what they teach, according to James 2:10 if you seek justification from keeping the law u have to be sinless & keep them all because to break one makes u guilty of them all.
    Galatians 3:10 says
    For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
    This means the minute u eat pork or break the Sabbath rest from all activity on Saturday you failed to do all that was written in the book of the Law.
    My God help these tithe liars! Enough is enough. It is going to lead to a revolt where people just start having church in their homes!
    Who wants to go to church to be beat up over ten percent, certainly not poor single mothers or people out of work!
    Anybody who does not understand what covenant we are under and the word grace means unmerited favor has no business being a Pastor!

  86. Hi Marianne

    I love your passion for truth….and your insight….and your heart for those in need. (the heart of God beats in you is suspect)

    Keep preaching the TRUTH….God’s children are FREE to decide themselves what they are able to and feel they should give. Their is either freedom as Jesus said (Mat 17:26)…or their is bondage to a Law of tithing. There is either compulsory giving……or freewill giving….it cannot be both.

    What you are sharing is 100% in accordance with the word of God ….keep up the good work.

  87. You have really helped me may God continue to do a good work in you

  88. What if the Pastor is handling all the finances and does not want to anyone else to do it. His wife and him are handling all the finances of the church (including monies form the day care centre they run). when approached by a member who was called to assist, they pastor made a statement that he has been doing this for a long time and that it is his church and he will handle the finances. there are always complaints from him that there is not enough money. sometimes the staff(day care) are not paid. In fact, he has been lending out money to the staff and demands interest with it. the staff that owed money were called in, and he demanded they paid back the loan with interest immediately and they actually received hardly any pay for the month. it is difficult not to judge at this point. what about tithing to tthis church?

    • dear concerned

      that is not a church. that is the pastor’s private business.

      get out of there.

      that place does not belong to the pastor, as he claims.

      that place belongs to Jesus, and he has ruined it.

      Jesus would call him a money changer and throw over his tables.

  89. You may find comfort in knowing the little Church I currently serve as Pastor does not preach that you must, or even should give a tithe, rather I teach that each individual must seek God’s guidance and prayerfully give from a loving heart and that as part of the called out body of believers in Christ we are made up of significantly gifted people who all must serve as they are led in the Spirit in order to maintain our bodily health. Each person is important and no one is better than anyone else, God is no respector of persons. Our little Church is full of peaceful, loving children of God walking in the blessed Gospel Light as well as new believers who as of yet have not read the Holy Scriptures but who one day, I believe will amaze even themselves with the beautiful works of compassion and care, and sacrifice for others that they will joyfully perform in loving response, not to me, but to Our Great Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The Church is a precious gift let’s learn to develop and nuture it for it is the body of Christ. May the baptismal waters always move. Amen!

    • dear Gino

      thank you for sharing your faithfulness to the true meaning and application of God’s Word. I wish you many blessings in your little church.

  90. WOW! I HAVE BEEN SO BLESSED BY THE TRUTH OF ALMIGHTY GOD THAT JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF DEMONSTRATED FOR US. I AM A HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATE AND CAN SENSE THE TRUTH AND THE FALSE FROM VERY FAR OFF. I THANK GOD FOR THAT AND TO HIM BE THE GLORY! AFTER EVERYTHING CHRIST CAME AND DID FOR US,,,I NEVER BELIEVED IN PAYING TITHES AT ALL BUT I HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR THAT AND CALLED ALL SORTS OF NAMES…WHICH IS OK WITH ME BECAUSE JESUS IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY PASTOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONFIRMING WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. I BELIEVE IN GIVING BIG AS CHRISTIANS AND ALSO HELPING THE POOR, THE NAKED, THE HUNGRY, THE SICK, THE HOMELESS AND THE ABUSED. WE SHOULD WORK HARD AND EXEMPLIFY CHRIST, AND GLORY GOD. GOD BLESS YOU!

  91. thnx Marriane for opening my eyes u know tithing was a real burden to me becoz we were taught that if we don’t tithe God curese. But the word of God says God loves us uncondtionally how can GOD curse what he loves. Pastors use Malachi 3 v 9 to instil fear in the hearts of believers. Any answer me please why are we tithing money becoz in the old testament they tithed agricultural produce i don’t recall a sripture which says we must tithe 10% of our salary. they is no first fruits in money they tell us that after getting your pay check you should remove the tithe first before paying bills or buying food , if remove the tithe last it means you are putting God last.They are Mega churches around the world that are owned by families to me it looks like family buisness and they are filthy rich while the congregation are poor and heavily in debts. I read the book of acts the apostoles never owned churches or buildings they doing things in one accord with guidence of the Holy Spirit.One trick that is bieng empoloyed is crusades and prophesaying.Crusades a meant as an outreach to the lost/ unbelievers but why ask them offerings while they don’t know Christ. Why do we prophesy to lost soukls instead of preaching Christ to them.One last question to those who surport tithing if bring crops fruits and vegitables will any church recieve them. Many people i leaving the church because they don’t have money to tithe.

  92. Well i see these to be Geovah witness doctrine,IS WHAT I THINK.
    COME OUT OF DENOMINATIONAL SYSTEM HAVE YOU SEE ANY DENOMINATION IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD USE?THE PHARISEES AND SADUCEES ARE THE DENOMINATION RIGHT DENOMINATION IS OF THE DEVIL COME OUT OF HER(REV18:4)

  93. I want to thank you for shedding clarity on the divisive issue of tithing. Many years ago a prophesy came through the church in answer to a question presented. The choir member had returned from Peru and she was stating how much her son had in contrast to a little Peruvian boy that was living in a cardboard box. She asked, “How come some have so much and others have so little?” No sooner had she asked the question when the prophetic utterance came through.
    The Lord said, (speaking to the church) “I bless you so that you can bless others, but you hoard it unto yourselves and still ask for more.”
    The church was extremely silent. So in terms of tithing we are to be giving to the poor and not to continue to hoard nor to maintain buildings. In the NT the Christians had all in common and none lacked because they shared what they had. That is not happening today.
    Most Christians today are not doing what Jesus told us to do. Casting out demons, laying hands on the sick, etc. I came from a church that when the demons would manifest, they would say call 911. Yet much emphasis is being placed on tithing and placing guilt if this is not being done.
    For one year my girlfriend found herself homeless due to the fact that her apartment building became unsafe to live in after another building collapsed. The church she so faithfully tithed to helped very little. She had to rely on the Red Cross, relatives, etc. for one year.
    Therefore you are on point. As a widow, I have had my share of needs and have been placed under condemnation whenever I could not tithe. No more will I allow this to happen. Today not only did I find your website, but as confirmation I turned on the radio and a speaker was talking about the same subject. He said that even our time is another form of giving to the Lord not necessarily money or a specific amount. So whatever we give we must do it as unto the Lord without boasting or regret. It must be done out of love for God and for one another.
    May God continue to use you mightily to shed light where there is darkness.
    Thank you.

  94. This is a good article for knowing the christ and i like it if you want to know about this you must readit

  95. I need to so you what we are up against if you read our face book you will see..We will not Tithe..But we will give offerings…please read all ..and help us with this…We are trying to find a church that only ask for offering……..please read ….I am talking to the Pastor my name is Darcy……………………………………..
    Pastor Dave Rogers
    August 26 at 2:49pm ·
    God says bring a tenth of all your increase to Him. It sure is funny watching people trying to

    calculate deductions, depreciation, cola, inflation, etc. before paying their tithe. Just like

    reporting your income to the IRS. Isn’t that just to funny? I bet God gets a real kick out of it too.
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    2 people like this.

    Chad Mclewin did you want your blessing before or after taxes are taken out…
    August 26 at 6:17pm · Unlike · 2

    Chad Mclewin i find that people who treat the tithe as a hard and fast number tend to also be a bit

    arbitrary and legalistic and often use this percentage as a way to manipulate God whether they

    leverage it for a blessing or to make sure that they are doing the bas…See More
    August 26 at 6:27pm · Like · 1

    Darcy Thurlow the tithe was for only the his people the Israelite who own land .. Abraham only tithe

    ones in his whole life……Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of

    God Most High.) And he blessed him and said, “Blessed be Abram b…See More
    August 27 at 8:19am · Like

    Darcy Thurlow THE ISRAELITE WHO OWEN LAND HAD TO GIVE TITHE FROM THERE CROPS THAT GROW HEADSMEN AND

    SHEPHERDS,VIN YARDS..FRUIT TREES…ALL HAD TO A 10TH OF THERE TITHES..TO THE LEVITS IN THE TEMPLE AND

    THE LEVITS ONLY GAVE 1 10TH OF THE TITHES TO THE PREIST…TITHING AND OFFREINGS ARE 2 DIFFREANT

    THINGS..TITHING FOOD ONLY
    August 27 at 8:26am · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers Darcy, Heb. 7:8 says Jesus our new High Priest receives the tithe.
    August 27 at 4:20pm via mobile · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers Offerings are above and beyond the tithe.
    August 27 at 4:21pm via mobile · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers Also tithing did not start under the law. It began with Abraham over 400 yrs.

    before the law.
    August 27 at 5:09pm via mobile · Like

    Chad Mclewin the way i look at it Jesus superseded most of the commandments right? like “don’t

    murder” gets upped to don’t hate anyone, “no adultery” becomes the much more intense “no lusting”. so

    when it comes to giving i find the tithe to be woefully inadequate. …See More
    August 27 at 8:35pm · Unlike · 1

    Chad Mclewin the funny thing to me is the people who could give 90% but give the 10% with a sense of

    moral superiority, but it’s only funny because at one point i felt like i was the “righteous” one

    because i gave the tithe. then Jesus showed me how all those games had to go. look at the rich young

    ruler and the wee little tax collector guy and tell me what percentage feels safe to you.
    August 27 at 8:57pm · Like

    Darcy Thurlow Abraham only tithe once in his whole life TITHES YES BUT FOOD ONLY You can not take the

    tithes that God instructed the ISRAELITE WHO OWEN LAND HAD TO GIVE TITHE FROM THERE CROPS ONLY NOT

    MONEY …to say money is to DELETE GODS WORD AND AD ON WORDS…See More
    August 28 at 5:58am · Like

    Darcy Thurlow God never told Abraham to Tithe Abraham did that on his own..why u thing God Blessed

    his so highly for…because he did it FREELY ON HIS OWN That is why
    August 28 at 6:07am · Like

    Darcy Thurlow You are so true Chad Mclewin no one can out give God
    August 28 at 10:34am · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers Nowhere does it say Abraham only tithed once. As a matter of fact it says that his

    descendants tithed. The fact that Abraham did it on his own and we’re heirs of his covenant we should

    honor The Lord as well. Jesus never suspended the Law, he fulfilled…See More
    August 28 at 11:21am via mobile · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers Oh it said Abraham gave a tenth of ALL HE HAD. That includes Money. It’s all a

    matter of the heart anyway. If God hasn’t got your wallet or purse does He really hav you?
    August 28 at 11:24am via mobile · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers Chad, tithe means 10%. I’d say that’s a hard and fast number and I’d that’s to

    little for you that’s when Giving comes in. Don’t want to limit generosity.
    August 28 at 11:27am via mobile · Like

    Chad Mclewin i get what it means and i think there is something significant about 10%. for most

    people giving 10% requires faith. it’s significant enough that you don’t just do it because of

    religious guilt. it’s a lifestyle sized commitment and i think that is what
    August 28 at 8:15pm · Like

    Chad Mclewin God is after
    August 28 at 8:15pm · Like

    Chad Mclewin however i don’t treat it like a rule or a law. God wants us to move past that.

    relationship right? and in that vein where we spend our money says a lot about where our heart is. i

    encourage 10% as a faith starting point not as any burden or hardship, b…See More
    August 28 at 8:26pm · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers I understand what you’re saying but I also think there are laws in the New

    Covenant i.e. Sowing & Reaping, Sin and Death, Life in Christ Jesus, and tithing is also a N.C. law

    hence Jesus receiving the tithe as our High Priest. I look at it this way, th…See More
    August 28 at 8:55pm · Like

    Chad Mclewin i think we might have strong semantics distraction if we try to differentiate between

    principles and laws but either way consider circumcision (speaking of where my treasure is…). it is

    without a doubt a much stronger part of the pre-law covenant wit…See More
    August 29 at 5:50am · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers That would be true if Paul hadn’t written Heb. 7 at the direction of the H.S.

    Tithe by biblical definition is a Faith gesture AND a Law. Jesus being its High Priest in the

    heavenly tabernacle. If it had been done away with Jesus would have been said to receive gifts or

    giving now but the H.S. thru Paul said Tithe.
    August 29 at 7:21am via mobile · Like

    Darcy Thurlow WOW AMEN TO THAT I AGREE I think when look at all them Evangelist on tv with there

    fancy planes and limos and Mansions.. Offering ant enough for them they need more money how do we

    think they get so rich they just love to take advantage of people any …See More
    August 29 at 7:57am · Like

    Darcy Thurlow Offerings are more important to God, he says Give with a Cheerful Heart..Because God

    Loves a Cheerful Giver…Do you know anyone who needs food,or needs help paying the rest of the

    Rent,or needs Clothes,needs money for medican..Then Help them with a Ch…See More
    August 29 at 8:08am · Like

    Darcy Thurlow help them get into the food pantry…help them get clothes at the salvation

    Army..othere stuff that a person needs help them with it..
    August 29 at 8:10am · Like

    Pastor Dave Rogers Be careful Darcy, you have no idea what these people do with their money. The

    planes allow them more ministry time rather than airport time. And most are huge givers to missions

    etc. Kenneth Copeland has been funding all of Rinehard Bonke’s world wide …See More
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    Darcy Thurlow http://www.letusreason.org/doct54.htm

    The Origin of Tithing
    http://www.letusreason.org
    please copy the web page by highlighting the text first – then click copy in th…
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    Darcy Thurlow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tkMu3Vrz0

    Should the church teach tithing? 1of22
    1: CHRISTIAN GIVING PRINCIPLES: New Covenant Giving Principles in Second Corinth…
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    Darcy Thurlow http://www.lighthouseprophecy.com/

    Exposing The Tithe Lie
    http://www.lighthouseprophecy.com
    2) What was the tithe for? Psalm 40:6Hosea 6:6Psalm 24:1Job 41:11b1 Chronicles 9:33Malachi

    3:10Nehemiah 13:10-13Malachi 3:8Numbers 18:20-21
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    Pastor Dave Rogers Darcy there are so many videos on Why tithing is for the church it’s impossible to

    take the time to post them. I suggest you study Why it’s for today in order make an informed

    judgement. Thees videos prove nothing. The bottom line is this: those people who are too bound by

    their finances will do whatever necessary to avoid tithing. Money is a heart issue and frankly

    everything a person has belongs to God. People need to remember that and understand at any moment He

    could ask, as he did the Lawyer that came to him, to give it all away in order to follow Jesus. And

    besides all that neither you nor your videos have been able to explain Heb. 7 away. This is my last

    post on the subject. Blessings!

    • i do not know your facebook page

      • i placed my facebook here above what u wrote see your photo to the right..look above it……..i copyed the text conversation and placed it here

        • all you have is a neutral icon…..i would need your facebook name and something to identify you from other people with the same name

          • Ok that is cool please forgive me to much on my mind….go on face book type in Darcy Thurlow also type in Earl Thurlow we will accept you God Bless you and give you the stranght to help in the TRUTH OF THE GOSIPLE ..IN JESUS NAME AMEN…….i will be on my face book

  96. There will be many of those who preach that tithing is commanded,who will answer for false doctrine, you will never in the new testament find where Jesus or his apostles ever paid tithes, for one thing when Jesus started his ministry he had no income, he had no place to live ,his job was to preach the gospel to the poor, heal the sick,open the eyes of the blind, he never had a shareathon to support his ministry. Its ironic the apostle Paul preached, upon the first day of the week, as God has prospered every man so let him give, for God loves a cheerful giver not a begrudging giver .Where people get the 10 percent, they go back into bondage to the law, laying grievous burdens upon the shoulders of the flock, read the story of Eli and his lazy adulterated sons while preachers are to lazy to get a job, they go to school to learn to preach, the bible says how can they preach unless they be sent, maybe I am missing something here but I don’t think so, prosperity preachers preach you better give or you will not get blessed, they live in million dollar homes while the congregation lives in slums, yes I support the poor, sick, homeless and any one who is in distress I refuse to give to those who preach false doctrine and think worldly gain is godliness, I get a righteous anger when those who say 10 percent belongs to God, when 100 percent belongs to God, if you read your bible you will not be deceived, I would be naïve to give you book chapter and verse of the statements I just made, that’s the problem we take teachers and preachers word for what they say instead of challenging them for truth and Jesus said my word is truth, not those that lean unto their own understanding, sorry for the lengthy comment i am not sorry for the truth I spoke, may we all find Grace and mercy in the sight of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    • From Darcy……I agree with you 100 persent …this is what i am up againts below
      from a Pastor.. How can i go up against the Pastor ..I am still learning
      can you help me with this Please. look at what he said..

      Pastor Rogers if Paul hadn’t written Heb. 7 at the direction of the H.S. Tithe by biblical definition is a Faith gesture AND a Law. Jesus being its High Priest in the heavenly tabernacle. If it had been done away with Jesus would have been said to receive gifts or giving now but the H.S.Bible thru Paul said Tithe

      • earl / darcy

        You have the wrong pastor. Paul never said to tithe. He just said he worked hard enough where he deserved to be paid, but then also said that it would destroy the work of the gospel if he accepted money.

      • Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but >>>THERE he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

        Abraham gave tithes to Melchisedec

        But there he receiveth them – The ωδε , here, in the first clause of this verse refers to Mosaical institutions, as then existing: the εκει , there, in this clause refers to the place in Genesis (Ge 14:20) where it is related that Abraham gave tithes to Melchisedec, who is still considered as being alive or without a successor, because there is no account of his death, nor of any termination of his priesthood.

    • jim

      tithe belongs to god, not preachers.

      tithe is suspended now because it only goes to the temple in jerusalem, and there is no temple.

      we give from our hearts now….not from obligation to an institution ( temple, church)

      • Jim My Husband and Me we live in the State of Maine..out of all the churches we have been in want both Tithe and Offerings…I was born again baptized in the United Penticostl Church they to wanted both…when i became born again i was giving a gift from the Holy Spirit in Speaking in Tonuges..and I thank God for the Gift..My Question is this…We are having a very hard time finding a church that only ask for Offering only..We will not Tithe in a Church …We do it out of Church by doing everything we can to help people..And we enjoy it with no strings attached ..like most do we do it Free…Would you know a Pastor that would know any Pastors here in Maine…We live in Waterville Maine…and if you come across one …can you please let us know…God Bless you and May God Bless this Website…From Darcy….We miss going to Church….hope you can help us..if we had your email ..like yahoo i would give you our full home address

  97. I wish you could of had more scripture with your words. Everything you say makes sense but is it the Truth…

  98. Dear author,

    Thank you for this post! I can appreciate a blog where we can “come…reason together, ” and still do it in a moral, holy and sanctified manner.

    Having thus said, your article sounds intelligent and well thought out. However, I do not see where you give us ANY Scriptures to back up your claim. As much as I like your article, I need to see Scriptures (preferably Old AND New Testament) before I can agree with you.

    2 Timothy 2:15
    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

  99. Thank you!

    Lord’s wil, I will read it at my earliest convenience. But thank you for that 2nd post.

    God bless you, and have a great day!

  100. Marianne

    1 Corinthians 9:9-11 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

    The ox has no bags or pockets, but it wouldn’t go hungry

    Paul went the extra mile, as it were, when he made tents for a living.

    God Bless

  101. Well your article certainly causes me to realize I need to really study on this issue and seek God’s leading on the topic. I have tithed for over 10 years but now most of my money goes to outreaches and not local ministries.

    Just this past weekend I heard my ‘former’ senior pastor (via LIVE online) speak on ‘tithing’ and giving generously. This kind of topic would never have been heard from him 8 years ago. He commented on how Obamacare was causing a $17,000 increase in the church’s health care premiums. He commented how the electric bill for keeping 2 campuses going cost $40,000/month. Interestingly, this church conducts regularly tours to Israel (about every 3rd year). I know some of the staff get to go on these tours FREE because it is part of the perks of the tourist industry. I kept thinking instead of commenting how people should stop having cable TV before expecting the church to help them (which most viewers do so by contract)… perhaps all those people signing up for the tour should cancel and gives that money ($1000s) to pay the electric bill. I estimate one year’s electric bill could be paid for in advance if such sacrifice was made. No one wants to give up the American dream of vacations, cable TV , eating out , Costco size excess, perks, etc. Everyone, even pastors and leadership, have their priorities and justify keeping them at the top of the ‘to do’ list.

    When I joined this church (the only church I ever joined) I never heard pleas for money or messages on tithing. That changed around the time of the second campus opening up. Mega and multiple location churches are the norm now and not sure how the trend will be reversed so that the topic of the ‘tithe’ doesn’t get to become so legalistic.

  102. Its really tough out there i think at my church im the only one who is not paying tithe,i remember the other day i was made to stand in front of everyone and from there both of them knew im not paying,the other day after giving my testimony it was again said that God helped you but you dont give tithe i really felt so guilty but i cant

  103. I was a member of the SDA church here in Niagara falls Canada and very often the tithe message was preached in sermon regularly ! it was constantly shoved at us that we would be robbing god of we did not give the full 10% of everything we had. I lived in low income housing as a single mom with a son to care for that had bi polar and ADHD. We had shabby furniture and I slept on the couch every night because I had no bed..I had to give that to my son ! We used food banks every month to eat and had to do without clothes needed often. My son and I were very deprived of so many thing as it was but they constantly taught I would be robbing god if I didn’t give up 10% to the church ! I was living on just over $600 Per month to care for me and my son ! I was horrible ! I was made to believe by this church that if I gave god would care for me and my son and for our needs..I would be blessed ! But not so ! it seemed to me that everyone who was already in the church for all their lives had money ! The elders lived extremely well…and one of the elders even owned a plane that he flew often on Sabbath just to relax and here my son and I am eating at food banks and wearing used clothes and often doing without. it was my son I was most concerned about going to school with worn out running shoes with holes in them !
    If that wasn’t bad enough I was taught for god to bless me I needed to obey him and keep his Sabbath day commandment….well I was as I had no job then. But I finally by chance got a job which paid a tiny bit better than I was doing. But they put pressure regarding the Sabbath day commandment ! I was struggling so much financially and wanted god to bless me also as with those others in church doing so well. They made me believe it was god who provided them so much ! With the pressure regarding the Sabbath day I felt worried god would be angry or not bless me if I didn’t do just that.. so I ended up in a battle over the Sabbath day at work and it was destroying my job ! But the church and some of it’s members kept pushing me and they told me god was faithful and would give me a better job if I lost this one and that he would bless me for being faithful ! Well I lost my job and got very ill from the stress I went through and the church NEVER supported me at all only pushed me ! The I lost my son to child protection until he turned 15 because working meant I wasn’t supervising him enough with his disabilities ! With my stress and my now illness from it I had no job any longer and no son with me ! Child protection gave me a very hard time getting him back and only gave him back when he was of age to make his own choice of where he wanted to stay…so I got him back home…By the way…he was mistreated in care and I suffered everyday and night crying over this and trying to get him back home ! After I got him back the government hit me with debts they said I owed then while my son was in care…..over $8,000 ! When I got him home we had nothing to live on and this church did not help me !
    Where we my blessings for being faithful to god in all this ? My son was more troubled when I got him back because of what he went through and I was distraught over everything ! Talking to the church about everything all they could say was ” sorry to hear that ” then change the subject ! I got NO help with anything at all from the church after all my tithe I gave…and only gave due to the treats that I was robbing god and thought I would be punished if I didn’t ! Either GOD is NOT faithful to those who try to be faithful to him….or God is not real ? Which is it because I am turned away from god and the church now ! How can I get my money back from that church as they got it from lies and threats that I would rob god and reap the consequences ! I know it is not just the SDA church doing this stuff to people and I for one think I had the right to get my money back…all of it ! This should be illegal to put fears into people to extort funds from them…especially from those like myself… I grew up in an abusive home and alcoholic home….I have been abused all my life and suffered depression from it… I ended up in church desperate for love ! I was told this God loved me and would care for me ! BUT he did not…nor did the church ! God was NOT faithful to me and I tried to be to him… I lost my job to be faithful to God and look what happened to me !!! I am never going back to any church and I do NOT trust God or believe he is real any longer ! I have LOST more then enough in my life ! Here I am years later…son moved out and I am lost in poverty, depressed and wanting to end my life ! I have begged God to heal me of somethings that hold me back in life and hurt me….outward healing and inward healing.. I cannot heal inward unless I heal outward ! NO healing either way…either God is not real or doesn’t care ! I more depressed than ever in my entire life ! Everyday I want out of this life ! The church and god thing ruined my whole life and there is no way to repair the damage to me or my life ! I want my tithe money back as it was extorted from me using fear tactics and guilt tactics and by lies and false advertising and claims ! There should be a law against this as it is CRIMINAL ! If had the law ( not God’s) to answer to… they would be careful what they teach or demand or extort) from people ! I am so angry and I want my money back !!!! There has got to be a lawyer who would stand up for me and fight for me ! Something has got to be done about this ! Please do not preach to me about god because he himself proved unfaithful to me ! If he is real let him heal me now so that I may believe because without that I will never believe again ! !

    • Gail

      the tithe is an offering to god, and what is not burned up on the altar goes to the widow and the poor.

      instead of helping the poor, the church robbed you instead.

      they won’t give it back, but you can try an attorney and see if there is a legal way to do it.

      do not go back there…..the elders are guilty of malachi 3:10, where God is scolding the priests, not the people, for robbing him…..the people gave their tithe, and the elders kept it for themselves…..this is the same thing that happens today.

      focus on taking care of yourself and child, and forget this bunch of vultures.

  104. Thank you for your support Marianne ! I do not know where to get the funds to get a lawyer for help me fight back… but even if they robbed the poor and god by not helping the poor etc… God himself has not helped me either ! Even if they robbed God or the poor why does god not help me and why does he not care to do something on my behalf ? Why am I left to fend for myself on my own with no help ? I seriously feel he is not real and I have given up any hope on life or him ! I hope I disappear really soon ! !
    My son is on his own now.. so it is just me left now. I have no more faith in God and find him very unfaithful also…he doesn’t help the poor either, nor those who need healing ! I am one of them that slipped through the cracks and God doesn’t care for either ! I have no reason to believe any longer !
    If it isn’t the church it is god himself who turns away from helping or healing me…so why should I go on any longer !

    • gail

      unfortunately, so far, you have seen the church failing you as god failing you.

      do not give up on god…..look around…you just found this site…. if you keep looking, you will find others who will help you.

      check agencies, charities, for money help. if you are still able to work, find a job and pick up some extra money..

      you can do this…..

  105. pastor should be shot

  106. And now they have biometric tithing machines installed in the churches. How greedy and insane is that??????

  107. No it isn’t Marianne.

  108. Thanx for the world of God

  109. The church in which I was baptized 9 yrs ago is falling apart. weekly pleas are now being made with financial graphs indicating the massive decline in giving. This is primarily due to the major givers having left the church following drama with the pastor.The staff has been fired and now the urgency and reconciliation efforts highly dependent on the ‘acts of forgiveness’ in the form of $$, alongside the promises to shepherd better and live in the light seems like “too little, too late”. I myself never tithed a tenth. That is not to say that I haven’t given My husband is the sole income earner, we have major debt, which has always made the traditional 10th a concept he could not accept. He has struggled many years now with the little faith that he has. We are both–although myself less so, still milk fed. We have not grown as believers the way we should have, should be. We have not shepherded our money well. It seems that there is no House of the Lord which is not corrupted. I am living in fear and terribly troubled. I have such a sense of doom.I don’t know why I am sharing this here. Maybe it’s the irony of our failures in our own lives next to a church that has failed in the same way. It is a painful time. Thank you for your posts, I have found them enlightening.

    • M

      Having debt in this world of inflated goods and prices, along with food shortages ( I was just watching a video when you wrote in) is not unusual….do not put yourself down for that…..many good people struggle right now….

      the pastor needs to get a real job and stop asking people to pay his salary…..he only works 1-2 days a week. no one is obligated to support him.

      churches run like a business will fail ….that is not what jesus had commanded…we are all to spread the gospel…..not just a select few that want a paycheck

      leave that church and focus on private time with God….spend some time each day or evening together reading the bible and finding your message there.

      this is how you get the “meat” of the word, as well as the “milk”

      Look to god together to help you through each day (give us this day our DAILY bread) and walk in faith. Food shortages, famine, economic collapse, civil unrest will hit this society soon, and you will need both worldly provision and divine provision….

      we are all in for a rough ride….so focus on storing food and water, blankets, etc for emergencies..get extra cash and keep at home….in case bank closes

      if you trust god , not man, you will make it……

  110. Hi Marianne,

    I’m very intrigued by the way you presented tithing. I’m with you on all points, and my heart really goes out to poor, especially those who are placed in fear of a curse due to non-tithing.

    I used to be a regular giver to the church when I was studying (my allowances), but after graduation found myself jobless, and no parental allowances. I couldn’t tithe, but were placed in circumstances where I had to give, sometimes the last $5 in my wallet, to a stranger who asked, not knowing where my next meal is.

    Subsequently I stopped tithing, but never stopped giving. Came across this article going around facebook:

    http://www.larrypoolespeaks.com/why-i-quit-tithing/

    and decided to leave my 2 cents there. The author is still encouraging the poor to tithe *in the comments section* and I decided to speak out. Your article is the 3th I came across and most informative – went through all the comments the last 2 hours or so, and I’m truly amazed by your ministry.

    I’m looking forward to reading up more of your other articles as well, but since it’s like 4:30am my time, perhaps another day! Oh, I embarked on a christian blog also, do check it out!

  111. Wonderful dissertation!!!!! Praying for you as it takes courage to reveal the truth to the masses. That’s not easy!!! Those who worship me must worship in Spirit and in Truth!!! Always felt this way in my spirit. Its all about right believing. Sad to see that the church is consistently suppressing its members by not preaching and teaching the truth. In many of these churches, Jesus would come in and overturn the pulpits as they operate like a den of thieves!!!

  112. […] Tithing in the church – I. […]

  113. …thanking God for divine truth! I stand amazed at the many ways God reveals himself when we, one will seek him wholeheartedly! Finding him is an adventure all by itself. He is not where men would say…..!!!

    I found him here….blessings to you!!! :)

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