The 144,000 and the rest of the Jews
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There are about 13 million Jews in the world at this time, who will return to Israel in the last days. Only 144,000 young Jewish men are selected by God to be sealed before the tribulation. What about the rest of the Jews?
The 144,000 are mentioned three times in the Book of Revelation:
(1) Revelation 7:3-8
saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the servants of God on their foreheads.” And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed,
12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,
12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
12,000 from the tribe of Asher,
12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali,
12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
12,000 from the tribe of Simeon,
12,000 from the tribe of Levi,
12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,
12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun,
12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,
12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.
The rest, who have not been saved yet, but who will accept their Messiah’s salvation later, are described after this:
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, you know. . And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
So we see, that not just 144,000 Jews “make it to heaven,” as some people think, but many more do also. They have been persecuted or put to death as martyrs of the faith. They have been tested as faithful during the tribulation, and made it to heaven.
(2) Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
(3) Revelation 14:3-5
And they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. For it is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb, 5 and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.
Who are they?
From some interpretations, one gets the impression that the entire population of Jews in the world will return to Israel, and only 144,000 get saved when the tribulation comes. This is not what it says above.
Special points about this group:
1. they are young men only
2. they are not defiled with women – virgins
3. they follow the Lamb (Messiah) wherever He goes
4. they are first fruits to God and to the Lamb
5. they have a special song they sing that only they could learn at the time it was given
6. the tribulation is about to begin, but they will not be harmed.
Obviously, God will not ignore innocent men, women and children whose hearts cry out to God for salvation, and accept their Messiah.
The point of the tribulation is to give mankind one last chance to repent, before the wrath of God hits. God would be wasting his time doing this, if He had already picked out the only ones to be saved before the tribulation starts.
The 144,000 just happens to be a special group – the first to be saved in the land of Israel, that God sets aside as his first fruits. FIRST fruits means there is MORE fruits to come.
The Bible NEVER says the first fruits (144,000), were the ONLY ones saved during this time, only that they were selected out, sanctified, away from others, marked and sealed for special service unto the Lord.
So, what does “first fruits’ mean?
Reference:
You shall count for yourselves — from the day after the Shabbat, from the day when you bring the Omer of the waving — seven Shabbats, they shall be complete. Until the day after the seventh sabbath you shall count, fifty days… You shall convoke on this very day — there shall be a holy convocation for yourselves — you shall do no laborious work; it is an eternal decree in your dwelling places for your generations. -Leviticus 21:15-16, 21
Shavu’ot, the Festival of Weeks, is the second of the three major festivals with both historical and agricultural significance (the other two are Passover and Sukkot). On the calendar, it come 50 days after Passover.
*** As the new disciples were baptized with the Holy Spirit on Shavuot, which marks the beginning of the church, it seems significant that another set of new disciples should be chosen on Shavuot to signal the end of the church age, end of the possession of the kingdom by the saints, and the onset of the tribulation, the final week of the 70 weeks, to fulfill the prophecy in
Daniel 7:21:
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
***The tribulation, then will be followed by the kingdom of the Messiah, as Messiah rescues his people Israel.
Agriculturally, Shavuot commemorates the time when the first fruits were harvested and brought to the Temple, and is known as Hag ha-Bikkurim (the Festival of the First Fruits). Historically, it celebrates the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai, and is also known as Hag Matan Torateinu (the Festival of the Giving of Our Torah).
The period from Passover to Shavu’ot is a time of great anticipation. We count each of the days from the second day of Passover to the day before Shavu’ot, 49 days or 7 full weeks, hence the name of the festival.
The counting reminds us of the important connection between Passover and Shavu’ot: Passover freed us physically from bondage, but the giving of the Torah on Shavu’ot redeemed us spiritually from our bondage to idolatry and immorality.
Shavu’ot is also known as Pentecost, because it falls on the 50th day; however, Shavu’ot has no particular similarity to the Christian holiday of Pentecost, which occurs 50 days after their Spring holiday.
***note. The 144,000 are the first fruits unto God and the Lamb. Their sealing will be beforehand, before the tribulation, and then presented to God on Shavu’ot, or Pentecost, as Christians call it, which will occur 50 days, or 7 weeks after the Passover of that year. The first-fruits of the field (“reshit,” “bikkurim” of corn, of wine, and of oil) belong to Yhwh.
In Rev 6:6, the Lord commands to the angel opening the 3rd seal:
“…and do not harm the oil and the wine.’”
Symbolically, the Lord might be referring to the 144,000 here, as his first fruits. The oil and the wine also represent the Holy Spirit.
First fruits also includes the “first born.” So we see that these young people are selected as the first born, but not the only ones, born again unto the Lord. God will still bring in the rest of Israel for his final harvest.
*** Because of God’s tradition here about the giving of the Torah on Shavuot , I believe the first born (first fruits) have been selected to give the Torah to the rest of Israel, and to bring others into the kingdom of the Messiah.
Shavu’ot is not tied to a particular calendar date, but to a counting from Passover. (Hence, as Jesus said, you cannot know the day or the hour).
Because the length of the months used to be variable, determined by observation, and there are two new moons between Passover and Shavu’ot, Shavu’ot could occur on the 5th or 6th of Sivan. However, now that we have a mathematically determined calendar, and the months between Passover and Shavu’ot do not change length on the mathematical calendar, Shavu’ot is always on the 6th of Sivan (the 6th and 7th outside of Israel.
Shavu’ot will occur on the following days of the Gregorian calendar:
Jewish Year 5768: sunset June 8, 2008 – nightfall June 10, 2008
Jewish Year 5769: sunset May 28, 2009 – nightfall May 30, 2009
Jewish Year 5770: sunset May 18, 2010 – nightfall May 20, 2010
Jewish Year 5771: sunset June 7, 2011 – nightfall June 9, 2011
Jewish Year 5772: sunset May 26, 2012 – nightfall May 28, 2012
The Feast is one of the three times when all young men were required to appear before the Lord, a pilgrim festival (Exod. 23:17; 34:23, Deut. 16:16).
Historically, the main activity on the Feast of Pentecost was the presentation of a wave offering to the Lord, two loaves of bread with leaven (Lev. 23:15-21). The bread was to be brought with seven male lambs, a young bull and two rams as a burnt offering (Lev. 23:18). The sin offering was a male goat (Lev. 23:19).
*** Here, before the tribulation starts, we see the young men (144,000 virgins) appearing before the Lord as a wave offering to Him.
The wave offering expressed the Hebrews’ dependence on God for the harvest and their daily bread. This was a thanksgiving offering. The link between Passover and Pentecost is the omer.
Another reference on the first fruits:
Ceremony of ”Bikkurim”
Shavuot was also the day on which the ”Bikkurim” (first fruits from the seven species for which Israel is praised) were brought to the Temple in Jerusalem by each individual. These species are: wheat, barley, grapes, figs, pomegranates, olives, and dates (Deut. 8:8). In the largely agrarian society of ancient Israel, Jewish farmers would tie a ribbon around the first ripening fruits from each of these species in their fields.
** notice there are 7 kinds of “fruit” to pick. This reminds us of the 7 attributes of the holy spirit in
Isaiah 11:2-3
And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
At the time of harvest, the fruits identified by the ribbon would be cut and placed into baskets woven of gold and silver. The baskets would then be placed on oxen whose horns were laced with garlands of flowers, and who were led in a grand procession to Jerusalem. As the farmer and his entourage passed through cities and towns, they would be accompanied by music and parades.
At the Temple, each farmer would present his ”Bikkurim” to the Kohen Gadol (High Priest) in a ceremony that followed the text of Deut. 26:1-10. The ceremony of ”Bikkurim” conveys the Jew’s gratitude to God both for the first fruits of the field, and for His guidance throughout Jewish history.
** the 144,000 are the bikkurim to be presented to the Kohen, Gadol, who is now Yeshua, the Messiah, the most high priest of God.
Other uses of the number 144,000 (incidental information, may not be relevant):
Baktun is 20 Katun cycles of the ancient Maya Long Count Calendar, which contains 144,000 days (400 lunar years). This is an interesting coincidence, since the current “era” on the Mayan calendar ends about the time the Messiah is thought to be due to come.
God told Abraham in Genesis 15:13 that his descendants would be afflicted in a foreign land for 400 years (144,000 days).
There are 144,000 days (400 years) between the old and new testaments. Maybe the 144,000 represents the time between the new testament biblical time of Jesus and his ultimate return.
A child’s innocent heart beats about 144,000 times a day. The virgins are innocent).
There are 144,000 seconds in 2400 hours.
144000 / 60 years Israel has been back in the land = 2400
Daniel 8:13- 14 says:
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
America has been around for about 144,000 days (400 lunar years). since 1607.
Israel has been around for about 4000 years. (144,000 x 10 days), if one counts from Jacob, and about 4100 years if one counts from Abraham.
There are 144,000 limestone casing slabs that over lay the great pyramid
http://onlineessays.com/essays/history/his280.php
Isaiah 19:19-20 says,
“In THAT DAY there will be an ALTAR to the LORD in the MIDST of the land of Egypt, and a PILLAR at the BORDER thereof to the LORD. And IT shall be a SIGN and a WITNESS to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry to the LORD because of the oppressors, and He shall send them a Savior, and a Great One and He shall deliver them.”
The new Jerusalem will be of 144,000 cubits in breadth and height.
Revelation 21:10-13, 15-17, “He carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God: and her Light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; and had a wall great and high, and had TWELVE GATES, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the TWELVE TRIBES of the children of Israel:
On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. . . And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lies foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs.
The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, 144,000 cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.”
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**** Extra note:
All the Jews have value here. The 144,000 are those who are sealed, because they will be exposed to the dangers and need the protection the most. They are there to witness to the rest of the Jews and to the world. That is why they are “first fruits.” There are more “fruits” to come.
God does take care of the rest of Israel. He is coming for the entire nation, not just the 144,000. If you look in Revelation 12, the woman (Israel) is protected by God in the wilderness when Satan comes after her twice. He also inspires the “earth” (new believers who have come to faith because of the 144,000) to come to the aid of Israel when she is being attacked.
The entire nation of Israel is holy unto God. So are non-Jews who will be saved because of the witness of Israel in the final days of the tribulation.
See also:
The Jewish return to Israel in the end times.
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The 144,000 and the rest of the Jews « Heaven Awaits said this on May 19, 2008 at 4:08 pm |
Thank you for this article. Some good points. Where in scripture does it say the 144,000 will only be men? Also, do you think the 144,000 will be from all time (6,000 years) or from the last days?
Hi Shoshanah
Traditionally, in the old testament, it was young Hebrew men that brought forth the first fruits at Shavuot. However, since this occurs in the future, it is hard to say, since it does not mention the gender of the 144,000. I am assuming that the 144K is from the remnant that returns to Israel in the last days, and not the reincarnation of previous people.
blessings
marianne
“For it is these who have not defiled themselves with women” I think that is key. Only men can be defiled with women. Far from being symbolic of a number of people, I think if the scripture meant to imply both men and women, it would have said they hadnt defiled themselves, period.
Dear Amardo
This group is unique as you say, and dedicated to a special service the Lord. I pray there will be many saved during the Tribulation through their example.
blessings
marianne
The Elite is to be taken special care of because they are more important than ordinary people?
“Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the servants of God on their foreheads.” And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
The servants I’m sure are are the dedicated followers of the true God. And as soon as they are secured it doesn’t seem to be that important to save the rest. And considering Deuteronomy 6:15
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for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.
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it’s obvious that “the others” is of lesser to no value.
Based on some of the comments above it is, sadly enough, made perfectly clear that the same “I am better than thou”-attitude still is out there.
Hi Terry,
Maybe I should make some extra notes.
All the Jews have value here. The 144,000 are those who are sealed, because they will be exposed to the dangers and need the protection the most. They are there to witness to the rest of the Jews and to the world. That is why they are “first fruits.” There are more “fruits” to come.
God does take care of the rest of Israel. He is coming for the entire nation, not just the 144,000. If you look in Revelation 12, the woman (Israel) is protected by God in the wilderness when Satan comes after her twice. He also inspires the “earth” (new believers who have come to faith because of the 144,000) to come to the aid of Israel when she is being attacked.
The entire nation of Israel is holy unto God. So are non-Jews who will be saved because of the witness of Israel in the final days of the tribulation.
blessings
marianne
Please visit >http://www.electsfire.com< and click unto revelation, and there you will find a most amazing holy revelation! It is about the 12,000 sealed. And I do think that the 144,000 are of both gender, because with the Eternal there is neither male nor female, nor jew or gentile.
P.S. I love your site. Very well done!
Hi Abigail.
Thank you for the kind words, and the link. The future is becoming electric, isn’t it?
blessings
marianne
No Marianne … the future is becoming dark.
It appears to me that the 144,000 are also the “5 Wise Virgins” who go to the wedding feast as recorded in Matt.Ch.22 and Luke Ch.14. It also appears that the 3 1/2 years of Jesus’ ministry was a precursor to the LAST period on Earth, because Jesus’ first Miracle was at a wedding feast with a small group whereas at the END of His ministry, when Jesus was “Chosen” as the Passover Lamb on “Palm Sunday” they strew Palm branches before Him, and this is also the same “Picture” given in Revelation when the numberless Host who go through the tribulation, will attend His “Coronation” together with the resurrected Saints, at the general harvest. The fact that the 144k will go to a wedding feast, is recorded in Luke 12:36 as Jesus coming BACK after the wedding! The End Time is Less than one generation, or 50years as God instituted the Jubilee as well as the age whereby the Priest was to Cease from his work in Numb.8:25,26. The End Time starts at the Unification of Jerusalem on the 7th of June 1967, being the fulfillment of the Times of the Gentiles. (Luke 21:24) The Time of the End Timetable is recorded in Rev.11:1-3. We measure the “TEMPLE” (See John 2:20)- 46years to build, 47th year in service! It is also broken down as – 40years from the ALTAR (Cross – AD.30) till the Temple’s Destruction, where people still WORSHIPED in it till AD.70. We then get 2 lots of 3 1/2yrs after that 40 years making a Total of …40+7= 47years.
Hi Olaf,
I understand some of your reasons, and I do not understand others. But I think I understand your conclusion. I would expect Jesus to take to safety all those who believed in him.
1967 + 50 = 2017
so, 2017 – 7 = 2010, start of 3 1/2 years?
Hi Marianne,
When Jesus left the Temple to go to the Mt of Olives, He gave the prophecy of it’s Destruction. The Disciples understood the Prophecy ALSO to be the END of the World, as Jesus was given a question of WHEN all these things would take place, and WHEN we could expect ALL these predictions to take place. The MAXIMUM time was LESS than ONE GENERATION. As Revelation was written AFTER the TEMPLE’S destruction by about 20 years, Revelation Chap 11 uses the TIME SPAN of the Duration of Temple use, AFTER the Cross, before it was destroyed. [40 years] … it then adds on Two lots of 3 1/2 years – ie 7years. This 7 years, is broken up in two phases. The first fruits [(new)Jerusalem]of 144,000 Cubits would be trodden down, then the SECOND 3 1/2, The Beast will rule the Whole Earth, coinciding with the coming of Moses and Elijah. These are Prophesied in the LAST three Verses of the Old Testament! In James 5:17 it tells that Elijah HAD already rehearsed with God’s people for 3 1/2 years! The TWO Witnesses are these two who came to encourage Jesus in the time of preparation to take on Humanity’s sins on the cross [Luke 9:31] and during the Second 3 1/2years, THESE two Witnesses would perform miracles that they had previously done on earth with God’s people. The 7 Trumpets [New Year announcements] are also coupled with the 7 Seals [a recapping of the year's events], but the TWO are not in phase. The trumpets start the SECOND year of the HEPTAD [7-years]the First Trumpet sounds. – This is brought out in the 7th trumpet about to sound, THE END had already been accomplished.
Thus … <[less than] one Generation = 40+7 = 47years [John 2:2]
6/7/’67 Plus 40y = 2007 (12th Sept 2007) Start of Heptad.
Dear Olaf,
So if things started 2 years ago, where are all the events?
It depends on what you mean by EVENTS. Revelation Chapter 18, I would say describes the 9/11 Event, but that was before the last Trumpets and Seals were to take place. The “Beast” is not just ONE aspect of the Final WORLD Governing Power. Jesus uses the picture of a BEAST to denote a POWER. As you asked about “Events” just as the powers depicted as a Beast or Animal, depending on what translation you take, One cannot be certain that the event of 1/3 of the earth burning up and 1/3 of the trees burning up and …ALL of the green grass burning up.[Rev.8:7] and later for the 5th Trumpet, the grass, plant or trees were not to be harmed. [Rev.9:4] …Can we take the Pictures given as the actual things represented? Do you expect to see a mountain on fire being tossed into the sea? [Rev.8:8]
I am, like anyone else who is willing to learn about Last Days events, constantly seeing things unfold, and like we are all admonished to do, we are to WATCH, and it would be senseless to watch if we knew everything beforehand. I am just a “Man off the street,” without formal Theological training, but believe in Jesus’ promise “…Seek and you shall find, knock, and it shall be opened unto you”. What I found in my search, is that the Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is the U.N. – It has the “G7″ and the 10 TRADE Centers. [Depicted in the first digit of the UPC (Bar Code) which is in the format 1/6/6 (in most cases) and we will soon see a continuation of this Identification process to include Livestock (And Humans) with a 6/6/6 number, whether it be in the form of a Laser Tattoo, or a Silicone Chip]
I see that the Devil, since 2007, tried to confuse the world by making the “G7″ into the “G20″, but in 2011 we should see the “Crowns” of Sovereignty be removed from the “G7″ (heads)[Rev.12:3] by the Serpent-Led U.N. and Placed on the 10 W.T.C. (HORNS) when it takes control [Rev.13:1] This event is also noted
in Rev.17:12,13. The TWO-Horned Beast is a LAMB-Like beast that speaks like a DRAGON. [Rev.13:11] [The Beast that has the FATAL wound is ONE of the Ten Trade Centers (WTC)] THIS new beast does not come from the SEA (Rev.13:1), but from the LAND (Like a river, the land adjoining the river is a BANK) so this beast from the Land is a BANK – 2 horned Bank …IMF and World Bank. As it appears, the New “Twin Towers” Beast that was healed will have the IMF/World Bank situated in that new building![Rev.13:12]
I don’t know if you have seen the events of a few months back where fires destroyed hundreds of homes and killed hundreds of people in Victoria, [Aust.] and recently also in the U.S.
These events could be seen by satellite! We still have till September, before all Events of the first trumpet are to take place. [If you note that the 7th Trumpet announces that time is no longer applied - Rev.10:7]
You state that the 144000 are Jews ,let quote that they are from the 12 tribes, when did the other 11 become JEWS?
And if they are JEWS then there are no other tribes.
You should read what you write,before speaking for Yahweh my Elohim1
When Yahweh has said nothing.
The 144000 is Judah and Israel/Ephraim ,that is the 12 tribes not one,but 12.
It amazes me how many times you people get it wrote.
Then run off the mouth why your think your correct.
If that fails than you claims how much education you got,but your still wrong and changing the Word of Yahweh.
Just amazing
Ephraim,
The tribe names are listed in Rev. 7. They are all considered “jews.”
None of you are correct. Please watch this video for starters…
Please watch all 8 parts to the video. Also you can read ‘The Great Controversy’ which will explain alot….. http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates$fn=default.htm$vid=default
CLarke,
This guy is a replacement theologist, who denies natural Israel. There are many prophecies in the old testament that speaks of God’s promise to bring the Jews back to their native land in the last days. This has nothing to do with the church.
Most of the church will go through the tribulation along with the Jews, as Rev 12 indicates the earth helped the woman, natural Israel, who gave birth to the Christ Child.
This means there will be support for natural Israel from Christians during the tribulation, since it is obvious that the Muslims and atheists will not be inclined to do this.
He is not a replacement theologist who denies Israel. He preaches what the Bible says. And it says that the Jews covenant was shut off. The gospel is now preached to the gentiles not jews. Israel is not about a little country over in the middle east. It is much more than that. It is Gods people. The 144,000 is the Remnant whether it is Jews or not. REV6 on the four horseman reveals that the oil and wine are not to be harmed. JOEL2 speaks of this oil and wine as the remnant 144,000. Yes Christians are supporting Israel..mainly because of their ignorance. I am a Christian and I do not have any problems with Jews, but Israel is not any more special than any other country. Old Testament maybe, but not now that they have rejected Jesus. It is pretty simple really if people would just read their Bibles. It is not about Jews. It is about Gods people…whether that includes Jews or not. BTW, the speaker is a SDA and I encourage everyone to watch more of his videos or look up SDA beliefs. You might be surprised at what you find.
hi Clarke
First of all, I do respect your opinion. This is a free expression site. I just do not agree with him, and I have watched him on TV.
The bible specifically says the 144 k are chosen from the tribes of Israel, and even names the tribes.
God formed an “everlasting covenant” with the Jews, so unless god changes his mind or lies, this covenant is still in place.
What Yeshua offered was a better covenant, but this did not cancel the old one.
I respect your opinion too.
I am convinced however that the Jews as a nation were cutoff when Jesus was put to death. 3.5 years later they stoned Stephen when he tried to preach the gospel to them. So now…the gospel is preached to the world (gentiles). Here’s an interesting read. http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=21804&p=3&topicID=12727310
hi Clarke.
Remember also that the Jews sinned against God in the OT repeatedly, they got “cut off” repeatedly, and then forgiven repeatedly, and taken back. This is a picture of ALL of us.
God promised to regather the Jews in the end times, and to bring them back to the land of Israel. He will deal with their hearts, and they will not be as before.
God is a God of restoration and forgiveness. At the battle of Armageddon, Jesus is personally returning to save Israel, not Christians. He will be giving them one more chance to see who he is. He wants them saved too.
When this happens, according to Zechariah 12, all Israel will look upon him whom they have pierced, and they will weep with understanding. All Israel will be saved.
“For ye are ‘all’ the children of God by ‘faith’ in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are yea Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:26-29
Israel has always referred to those who accepted Christ. and Jews are not accepting, so how can they be the protected ones?
Yes, some Jews will convert, whether now, or later. But not all. Not all will be saved. Israel being saved means Gods chosen ones. Not a literal nation or nationality. Israel being Gods people all over the world, whether they were Jew, Gentile, Muslim, etc doesnt matter as long as they accept Him.
When Jesus comes again, it will not be to save one nation, it will be to take us (Israel) home.
Here’s another good video that everyone should watch. Should help clear up some of this.
part one.
Here is a series of studies on the characteristics of the twelve tribes of the 144000 which are actually modern day Israel – http://imssdarm.wordpress.com/category/the-twelve-tribes/
hi imssdarm
thank you for the information. I will look at it, and I hope others do also.
Shalom from Jerusalem,
I enjoyed the info you presented. Let me say, the Lord will bring His elect into the wilderness of Sinai. The earth will devour those from AC who would destroy them. I am here for the elect in Israel.
Also, there is a timeframe for the end of days in Psalm 119. If you are interested, go to ‘fulfilledprophecy.com, go to discussion, go to Temple Watch, go to ‘next’ page: Psalm 119: Time Frame for the end of Days. http:www.habagministry.com
In the Name,
Michael
Shalom Michael
I see your enthusiasm. But I do not see where you made your point about 119. There are just a lot of disjointed comments, about 119, your life and other scriptures as well. Nothing is tied together.
Why don’t you go through the psalm, in order of verse, and explain how each verse describes the end times.
I would enjoy reading this. thanks.
WHEN WE ARE BORN AGAIN AND FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD, ARE WE NOT THEN IN THE NEW COVENANT AND THE NEW MAN THAT PAUL SPOKE OF IN HIS LETTER TO THE EPHESIANS, THE UNITY OF THE JEW AND GENTILE BELIEVERS, GOD ADOPTS THE GENTILE BELIEVERS AND HAS NO PREFERANCE BETWEEN JEW OR GENTILE, BUT RATHER SEES THEM AS EQUAL, WE CANNOT REPLACE OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AS THEY ARE HAVING THE SCALES LIFTED OFF THEIR EYES, THEY WERE THE FIRST BORN SO TO SPEAK, IF IT WERE NOT FOR THEM REJECTING YESHUA, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF BEING ABLE TO ACCEPT YESHUA. WE MUST THEREFORE PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM, NOT JUST THE PHYSICAL JERUSALEM, BUT THE NEW JERUSALEM SO WE CAN BE BLESSED, NOT ONLY PHYSICALLY BUT SPIRITUALLY. may the jewish/gentile New Man rise up to usher in the return of Yeshua. has anyone seen “Daniels Timeline”, if not please watch it
hi Liz
very good thoughts. may we all be one.
Priceless stuff…really funny.
now I ask you do you need to be declared legaly insnae to profess a belief in this ‘stuff’ or can you just go crazy one day & swallow it hook line & sinker?
Anyway this stuff is priceless…couldn’t make it up if I wanted to.
Well, at least you look at the humor in life.
Peace.
The 144,000 are not all Jews. 12,000 are from the tribe of Judah = the Jews. Not defiled with woman = they are not corrupted by false doctrine. where does the scriptures teach that being married is a sin? The scriptures say the institution of marriage is honorable and he who finds a wife finds favor, and the marriage bed is UNDEFILED. Furthermore its called Jacobs trouble, NOT Judah’s trouble, if you are a believer you are a citizen of Israel ephesians 2:12, grafted into Israel Jeremiah 11:16 Romans 11:17 the 144,000 shall(future) lead the assemblies Isaiah 4:5 in the greater exodus Jeremiah 14:16, they are the Deliverers on Mt Zion obadiah 1:21, Revelation 14:1 Did not ALL our father’s come out in the egyptian exodus 1 Corinthians 10:1 and were part of the Church/Kahal in the wilderness Acts 7:38, the same assembly YESHUA built upon Matthew 16:18 YHWH did not begin a new work, HE is still on Plan A. Dispensationalism corrupts and you can be sure that NONE of the 144,000 will be defiled with that heresy
hi Katriel
From the description, I just assumed that these were young boys, about 10-11 years old. Too young for marriage, but selected as God’s “choir boys” to honor him during this time.
shalom, correction, the passage for the greater exodus should have been Jeremiah 16:14
Shalom from Jerusalem,
The 144000 are the ‘whole house of Israel’ mentioned in Ez. 39. This is the Remnant of Israel. It IS ALL ISRAEL, for ‘only the rmemnant will be saved. Now is this number ‘exact’? Probably not. BUt the point of the number is to indicate that ‘only a rmenant will be saved.’
Michael
Shalom Michael
Since it is already promised that “all Israel shall be saved,” this makes sense that the 144,000 is more symbolic than literal. However, from all Israel, this small group may have a special function during Jabcob’s trouble. They are the first fruits of God’s harvest, meaning the rest of the harvest is coming also. God will get all his people back.
Shalom Michael…If you are looking for Servant89 (talking donkey) from Biblebase forums, I am that person. I heard someone here wanted to talk to me. Call me: I sent you an email with my phone # … or email me, it is ok to email me. What’s on your mind?
Servant89 Shalom
Ariel
Michael gave his email address above. You can contact him directly.
Remember that a woman in prophecy refers to a church and modern Israel is the Christian church. So these may be Christians who have not been defiled by false churches or religions. They will probably come from the true church, which today would be Christian by default. They are to be God’s new disciples in the millennium. Twelve simply won’t be enough this time. And just as Jesus had Mary Magdalene I’m sure there will be women in this group as well.
One thing they will NOT be is Jewish, seeing as they will follow the lamb (Jesus).
As for the listing of the tribes, I think it is purely symbolical. I believe it may be explained by listing the meanings of the Hebrew names in the order given – which is curiously not in the proper birth order.
Marianne should check that out.
IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST WE HAVE A VICTORY..
GOD BLESS YOU …
James;
I was taught the woman is:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Revelation-chapter-12.html
http://www.joncourson.com/teaching/teachings.asp?book=revelation
http://www.joncourson.com/teaching/teachingsplay.asp?teaching=NV5015
Question: “What does Revelation chapter 12 mean?”
Answer: In Revelation chapter 12, the woman is described as “clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars” (Revelation 12:1). Note the similarity between this description and the description that Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children (Genesis 37:9-11). The stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
Additional evidence is that in Revelation 12:2-5, the passage speaks of the woman being with child and giving birth. While it is true that Mary gave birth to Jesus, it is also true that Jesus, the son of David from the tribe of Judah, came from Israel. In a real sense, Israel gave birth—or brought forth—Christ Jesus. Further evidence for this is in 12:5 where the Scripture says that the woman “gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.” Clearly, this is describing Jesus. Jesus will one day establish His kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-6), and He will rule it. This verse also makes reference to Jesus’ ascension to heaven 40 days after His resurrection (Acts 1:9-11), speaking of the son “being caught up to God and to His throne.”
When it speaks of the woman fleeing into the wilderness for 1,260 days, it is referring to the future time called the tribulation period. Twelve hundred sixty days is 42 months of 30 days each. 42 months is 3 1/2 years. Halfway through the tribulation period, the beast will set an image of himself up in the temple that will be built in Jerusalem. This is the abomination that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14. When the beast does this, he breaks the peace pact he made with Israel, and the nation has to flee for safety (also see Matthew 24; Daniel 9:27). This is the picture of the woman fleeing into the wilderness.
Revelation 12:12-17 speaks of how the devil will make war against Israel, trying to destroy her (Satan knows his time is short, relatively speaking—see Revelation 20:1-3, 10). It also speaks of how God will protect Israel while in the wilderness. This wilderness place where Israel will flee is believed to be a place called Petra. Note Revelation 12:14 where it says that Israel will be protected from the devil for “a time, times, and half a time (a time = 1 year — 3 1/2 years).
The above link has changed to http://sabbathsermons.com/category/the-twelve-tribes-of-the-144000/
Marianne;
Are you aware Sabbath Sermons are Seventh Day Adventist? I know you are friends with them,but they don’t believe in the rapture and they believe in replacement theology of the Jews.
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/seventh-day-adventist/
I did a little web searching after I ran across THIS Seventh Day Adventist web blog 2 years ago:
They are anti-evangelical
Anti-Israel
Anti-Rapture
Anti-Caholic
http://joeland7.wordpress.com/
http://joeland7.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/happy-new-year-celebration-2011-from-sabbath-to-sunday-re-examine/
http://joeland7.wordpress.com/about/the-truth-about-the-rapture-its-significance-and-influence-in-world-control/
http://joeland7.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/bishop-eddie-long-accused-of-rape-prosperity-religion-is-it-of-god/
This guy has over 300 pages of posts
Regarding adventists, there are points I agree with and points I do not agree with.
I only moderate what is said on my site, and not elsewhere.
If I were Jewish I’d move to Israel and show all you Gentiles who we are. And then I would build our Temple to make another statement. We’re here to stay and we’re not going anywhere. But, I’m not Jewish.
You quote the following verse:
You shall count for yourselves — from the day after the Shabbat, from the day when you bring the Omer of the waving — seven Shabbats, they shall be complete. Until the day after the seventh sabbath you shall count, fifty days… You shall convoke on this very day — there shall be a holy convocation for yourselves — you shall do no laborious work; it is an eternal decree in your dwelling places for your generations. -Leviticus 21:15-16, 21
It’s Leviticus 23:15-16,21
bullshits
I’ve been taught and believe the 144,000 will be young men only, that are not defiled with women – virgins, like these young men singing in this video.
Good study and balanced. I feel we are entering the time very close to the nations going against Israel according to Ezekiel 38. The church will be raptured and the 144,000 will arise. God knows who they are and will not forget His people. Selah~
hi graceflyer
I agree. With the UN planning to divide up Israel, giving more land to the arabs in September, it looks imminent.
Your article is interesting. I take the Bible literally, and believe when it says that the 144,000 will be male and Jewish. I’ve wondered if they could be very young, such as teenagers at the beginning of the Tribulation, in some special school or religious training at the time? It seems pretty special in todays world to find that many men who are virgins, unfortunately. Do you believe that Israel will have all returned at the time the males are sealed, already back to Temple worship, and possibly be a superpower? Hopefully it all happens soon, and not decades from now, or even longer.
hi Vi
it is very typical that young orthodox Jewish boys would be virgins.
They are young teenagers, most likely in a yeshiva school (bible school for boys in Israel after their bar mitzvah ( 13, years and older)
I certainly hope all the Jews get back there in time. Even though they will face great danger, it is the safest place on the earth for them. Israel will not be a superpower until Messiah comes.
The changes could start as early as this fall or next year, from the way things look. We have to wait and see.
THE WOMAN OF REVELATION 12.
THE CHURCH OR ISRAEL?
There are those that believe and are of the opinion, that the woman of Revelation 12 is referring to that of the Church.
Perhaps this is the consequence of 1800 plus years of supersessionism, otherwise known as replacement theology.
This is the result of the church in its arrogance, not taking into account that God, having made a previous covenant with Israel, will also ultimately fulfill that covenant. God the Father is still and will always be Israel’s Husband. (Isaiah 54:5)
There is nothing within the context of scripture here, that would indicate that this woman of Rev. 12 is the church, therefore it must then be understood as being an incorrect assumption. However, there are passages that would support the opinion that this woman is instead Israel. Genesis 37:9,10. where Joseph was rebuked by Jacob (Israel) after explaining the dream that he had had, would be one for example.
“And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed ? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?”
Above we see that Jacob, (who’s name was changed to Israel by God in Genesis 32:28), understands beyond a question of a doubt, who the symbols of the “sun and the moon, and the eleven stars” represents. Therefore it would stand to reason that this inspired realization be brought forward, and that its representation is to still remain applicable to any further mention of these particular symbols. With the inclusion of Joseph within what are now “the 12 stars” in Revelation 12, this woman would then be representative of the complete fullness of Israel.
I would pose the question to those that possess the belief that Rev. 12 is referring to the Church, “Who is the man child then?”
Provide to me any scripture that prophesises anything regarding the Church giving birth to a man child that will be caught up to heaven, leaving the Church to seek refuge within the wilderness.” And if you also happen to be of the belief that the man child is Yeshua, “How could the Church birth its Creator and King before it had ever existed?” Sort of a like the chicken before the egg scenario huh? That is simply not logically possible. Yeshua was born, lived and died before the Church itself even came into existence. It was not the other way around.
THE MAN CHILD…… YESHUA OR THE 144,000?
There is more evidence within scripture to suggest that this “man child” is the 144,000 than that of Yeshua as well.
The story of Hannah in 1 Samuel, could very well be utilized as a foreshadowing of this event. Within that story, she would be representative of Israel, and Samuel in turn would be representative of the 144,000.
Nonetheless, if I were to be say an author of a novel, and I wished for you as the reader to understand a particular time frame in which my story happened to take place, I would probably relay that information to you relatively early within the first couple of chapters. The book of Revelation does the same thing.
To start with, the title of the book itself contains a certain amount of specificity regarding that on its own. The English word “revelation” is derived from the Greek, “ἀποκάλυψις”, transliterated “apokalypsis” (Strong’s 602) its definitions consist of, “Laying bare, making something naked. A disclosure of truth, or instruction concerning things before unknown. Used of events by which things or states or persons hitherto, (or until this time) have been withdrawn from view are made visible to all. A manifestation, or appearance.”
This would then mean, that all of this following information has been until now, “hidden and unknown”.
John states in Revelation 1:1. that this is, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must “shortly come to pass”; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” KJV.
The term translated above as “shortly come to pass” can only be understood within its correct context, as to be referring to to the future, rather than having any historical significance whatsoever.
Furthermore, this is supported as well by what is stated in verse 3. “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this “prophecy”, and keep those things which are written therein: “for the time is at hand”. KJV.
The English word “prophecy” is derived from the transliterated Greek, “prophēteia” (Strong’s 4394). The primary definition of prophecy is, “a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by “foretelling future events”.”
The term translated into “for the time is at hand” would again indicate that all of the following information is describing events of the future. (And prophecy isn’t prophecy if the information is already known.)
In verse 19 Yeshua says to John, “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;” KJV.
Yeshua tells John to write the things which he has seen. This he evidently does by writing within the next verse Yeshua’s explanation as to what he had just seen regarding the vision of the seven stars and the seven golden candlesticks.
Yeshua then informs John to write “the things that are”, within the epistles to the Churches. The “shall be hereafter” would again indicate that this is a prophecy regarding future events. The English word “hereafter” is derived from the copulation of the Greek words “ταῦτα μετά” or transliterated, “tauta meta” (Strong’s 5023 and 3326 respectively.) Combined in this manner they simply can be defined as in English as “after”.
When the epistles to the Churches were completed, John was then caught up to heaven, and the voice that he heard said to him, “Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.” (Rev 4:1. KJV.)
Again with the inclusion of “hereafter”, this cannot be misconstrued as meaning anything other than regarding the future from when John experienced this vision, and the revelation from Yeshua, and the angels.
So above we have been provided with “revelation” and its specific definition. “Shortly come to pass”, and “prophecy” and its specific definition. “The things that shall be hereafter” by Yeshua Himself in verse 1:19, and then “hereafter” again in 4:1.
That is five (5) instances for the reader to understand the context of time frame!
Therefore since there is nothing to indicate that anything of a historical significance will be provided within the following discourse, and that it is indeed a sacred prophecy provided by God to Yeshua to reveal what has previously been hidden to His followers, then the wording translated as “man child”, (within the KJV.) in Revelation 12:5 cannot be that of Yeshua.
Many appear to simply jump to conclusions based upon the terminology that has been translated into the English, “rule all nations with a rod of iron”, and make the assumption that it is Yeshua. (Though to actually do that, it would be contradicting the five (5) previously stipulated points that were provided for the reader to understand the context of time frame.) What many fail to recognize is that this same terminology is not only applicable to Yeshua as expressed in Psalms 2:9., and Revelation 19:15., but is also expressed as being the reward to the overcomers in the epistle to the Church of Thyatira in Rev. 2:26,27. as well.
So the phrase to “rule all nations with a rod of iron” is not definitive enough to utilize as a conclusive justification as to only be referring to one specific entity. Rather, the phrase itself encompasses all who will be chosen to rule and reign with Him within His Millennial Kingdom.
Revelation 12 states that this woman is “with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” (Rev.12:2.)
In Isaiah 66:7-13., God, in speaking of end times, uses more or less the same terminology in referring to the remnant which would very well consist of the 144,000.
”7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a “man child”.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.”
Revelation 12:5 also states that this “man child was caught up to God and His throne”. If one was to thoroughly investigate Revelation 14, I believe that they would see a description of this being “caught up” included within verse 2.
The chapter itself starts off with Yeshua standing on the earth, on Mount Zion, with the 144,000. Then John describes an event that starts with hearing a Voice from heaven.
”And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:”
Now instead of the 144,000 standing on Mount Zion with Yeshua, they are all collectively singing a new song, before the throne, before the four beast, and before the elders. They have been translated from the earth to heaven.
To reiterate, the church did not give birth to its Lord and Savior. It was clearly the other way around. Therefore Revelation 12 must be referring to the woman as being that of Israel. As well, because of the five stipulated points that are provided to the reader to understand that this book is revealing future events, the “man child” can not be Yeshua. There is far more scriptural evidence to then suggest that this terminology “man child” is instead referring to the 144,000. The first fruits of a special group chosen specifically by God for His good purpose.
Just my thoughts.
Be Blessed
Syalom dilihat dari kacamata peristiwa adalah demikian,namun dari kacamata kebenaran,Tuhan telah ungkapkan pada tahun 1969,bahwa ke 144.000 dalam wahyu 7 adalah pilihan kusus para gadis yang sama seperti Maria yang kelak akan melahirkan anak-anaknya yaitu dalam wagyu 12:1-2.dan hasil kelahiran itu adalah anak-anak berjumlah 144.000 dalam wahyu 14 yang telah menjadi taruna,ketika 144.000 (Wahyu 7)dipilih akhir meterai ke IV dan pada meterai V mereka mengandung oleh kandungan Rohkudus sama seperti Maria(Wahyu 12:1-2)melahirkan anak laki-laki langsung dibawa ke arays Allah dilihat oleh Yohanes tunggal,tetapi dalam arti jamak yaitu ada 144.000 yang melahirkan(Wahyu 12:4-6)dan hasilnya adalah taruna-taruna yang berjumlah 144.000 dalam wahyu 14.Demikian dikatakan Yesaya ketika mereka merasakan sakit,maka sion telah melahirkan anak-anaknya.Bisakah hal itu terjadi dalam sehari,Yesaya 66:7-8.Tuhan berkati amin