Dimitru Duduman – “America will burn”

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Nearly 25 years ago, a man by the name of Dimitru Duduman found himself in America, with a message of warning to the nation. Perhaps it’s all too long ago now, perhaps many have forgotten the message that he came to declare.

Summary:

America is described as Mystery Babylon. It’s destruction is by fire, as in a manner similar to Sodom and Gomorrah. The modern means will be the detonation of nuclear power plants across the USA by enemies.

Here is one supporter of Duduman- so listen and read, and decide for yourself.

http://fleethewrath.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/warning-prophecy-the-destruction-of-mystery-babylon/

Here is one critic of Duduman- so listen and read, and decide for yourself.

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/dumitru-duduman-michael-boldea-jrs-false-prophecies-and-teachings/

Thought.

It is biblical for angels to appear with messages. The angels should just deliver the message, and require no worship for themselves.

When prophecy comes true could take many years from the time it is given.

Prophecy should line up with scripture.

It may say something new that is not in scripture, but it cannot contradict it.

Just think about what is said, and decide for yourself.

Some people believe everything, which is wrong.

Others do not believe anything at all, which is worse.

*** For any radical muslims out there that would rejoice at this: this does not mean you can have the property. God will destroy everything, and everyone, during his wrath.  That includes Muslims that hate America and Israel.

Duduman update (1-8-09):

Excerpts from 1984 vision:

1. The Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America.

2. When the Americans will think that it is peace and safety – from the middle of the country, some of the people will start fighting against the government.

3. The government will be busy with internal problems.

4. Then from the ocean, from Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico,

He told me two other countries, but I didn’t remember what they were.

They will bomb the nuclear warehouses. When they explode, America will burn!

5. I asked, “What will you do with the Church of the Lord?

How will you save the ones that will turn toward you?”

He said, “Tell them this: how I saved the 3 young ones from the furnace of fire, and how I saved Daniel in the lions’ den, is the same way I will save them.

6. I have blessed this country because of the Jewish people who are in this country.

I have 7 million Jews in this country, but they do not want to recognize the Lord. They didn’t want to thank God for the blessings they received in this country. Israel doesn’t want to recognize Jesus Christ. They put their faith in the Jewish people in America.

7. But, when America burns, the Lord will raise China, Japan

and other nations to go against the Russians. They will beat the Russians

and push them all the way to the gates of Paris.

8. Over there they will make a treaty, and appoint the Russians as their leaders.

9. They will then unite against Israel. When Israel realizes she does not

have the strength of America behind her, she will be frightened.

That’s when she will turn to the Messiah for deliverance.

That’s when the Messiah will come.

Then, the Church will meet Jesus in the air,

and He will bring them back with Him to the Mount of Olives.

At that time the battle of Armageddon will be fought.”

“Tell everyone to read from Jeremiah 51:8-15,

Revelation chapter 18, and Zechariah chapter 14,

where Christ fights against those who possess the earth.

*** Note: Some of this is not clear to me. Apparently this is a “post-tribulation” rapture. If so, does the battle of Armageddon precede the Time of Wrath by God (Time of 7 trumpets, 7 bowls)? Is the treaty in # 8 above the 7 year covenant of Daniel 9? If so, then the tribulation starts when America falls.

If America is Mystery Babylon, or at least part of it, and it falls before the Time of Wrath, then this also means that the events in the Book of Revelation are not written in chronological order.  So care is needed in interpretation.  I personally do not believe that America – alone – is guilty of being this Mystery Babylon, but it describes many nations like this, who have abandoned God.


CHINA & RUSSIA STRIKE

A Vision Received by Dumitru Duduman, April 22 1996

Excerpt:

“Watch where the Russians penetrate America.”

I saw these words being written: Alaska; Minnesota; Florida.

“When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning.”

A great army, well armed and dressed in white… This army will go to battle to save My chosen ones.

Then, the difference between the godly and the ungodly will be evident.”

Reference:

http://www.revlu.com/dd.html

Other Modern Prophecies about America

Imminent Predictions about the USA Click here for more

Siener van Rensburg: Visions for Africa, Europe, and America– Boer perspective Click here for more

Siener van Rensburg: Visions of the Future Click here for more

George Washington’s Vision Click here for more

When Enemies Invade America  Click here for more

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  1. […] name of Dimitru Duduman found himself in America, with a message of warning to the nation. Click here for […]

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  2. 4. Then from the ocean, from Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico, He told me two other countries, but I didn’t remember what they were. They will bomb the nuclear warehouses. When they explode, America will burn!

    I think this may be it. Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico,
    Other 4 countries may be…
    1. Honduras, 2. Bolivia, 3. Venezuela 4. Dominica
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Alternative_for_the_Americas

    Watch out for the ALBA organization in the Americas.
    http://rabble.ca/news/2009/04/declaration-cuman%C3%A1-capitalism-threatens-life-planet

    I think Duduman is much more closer to being legitimate…maybe.

  3. hey marianne, this is really starting to creep me out and I’m starting to question my own ideas of who Babylon is, but here it is…

    I think we are in for something traumatic soon enough. From what I know, there is much preparation needed to launch an attack from the ocean. So now that this info has been leaked you probably have a window of 2 years to plan and another year or less to mobilize. Of course this all depends on if China wants in and if Russia has the military capability of which right now they don’t have to attack the US yet. However they are upgrading and as early as 2011 or late as 2016 they will be ready. Lets just take the average and say 2013ish, is a very possible time, then again, who really knows but God alone?

    • Check out Long Island, NY – no shortages of Babylons which I studied in the 1980s. Christ REVEALED is different than a coming. A rapture is not listed; read 23 Palms, going THROUGH the valley of death. Where are you going to be? E.W. Bullinger referenced star names: Seek Sheep and Cattle fold sites for end time safety. If “Dimitru Duduman – “America will burn”” is wrong then Satan wins everything, souls included so those seeking death will not experience it. Gold and silver disbursed into the streets. 1 Nov 2013 commenced Operation Apple-cart – a chess game where moves are overturned to defeat the elite, safety is out of the grasp of mankind.

  4. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090603/D98J6BAG0.html

    And here is the news of the day, God help us all, seriously. Again, lets not live in fear though, we need to stay focused. God Bless.

    • Hi JohnREv

      Nuclear sites would make good targets. I live near one, so I am not looking forward to an explosion. It would help disable the area, to make it easier to invade. I think you are right about the timing.

  5. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31073594/

    Here is another much more familiar source for news, that speaks about the same issue.

  6. I guess it just means we are getting closer to the end of the American empire and the rise of the antichrist government. Which according to duduman will have something to do with Russia.

    Oddly enough I found this too…wierd.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a3X76sjV801Y&refer=worldwide

  7. Marianne, I am more than convinced that Dumitru Duduman and Michael Boldea are men of God.

    http://www.handofhelp.com/index.php

    This official website is the proof you need. See for yourself.

  8. I read the book Through The Fire several years ago and truly believe this vision came from God.For several months the same reoccurring thought keeps weighing on my mind.It’s time for me to share this thought that the Lord layed upon my heart. I think Osama Bin Laden is in Russia. It goes hand and hand with Dimitru”s vision. I think that is how Russia regains her power and wealth. There are informants in the states telling Osama just where the nuclear sights exist. When the time is right Russia will have the resources to attack and America will burn. Comments what do you think?

    • I think Russia would love to attack us.

      • Now 7 years later … your insight is nearer and nearer to materialization with Donald Drumpf in the house! Lol!

        He’s Putin’s Bitch! That orange turd has been having business dealing with Ruskis for decades now. Flynn is just a cenvenient scapegoat.
        Btw, no I’m NOT Democrat nor Republican or whatever. I’m non-partisan. Heck I’m not even American.

        • angetty

          For someone not american, you certainly have a lot of hate for someone you do not know, or know much about

          FBI investigation cleared Donald Trump of any conspiracy with Russia. It is Hillary Clinton that had a $165 deal with Russians, and both she and obama were interfering with trying to influence both France and ISrael elections.

          It sounds like you need a better relationship with God, who can give you his holy spirit to guide you in what is true and not true.

  9. Marianne,
    I to am sure Russia is going to attack us. But what do you think about them hiding Osama Bin Laden in exchange for wealth and empowerment from the Taliban?

    • hi Esther

      It is possible that they are hiding him. Even in my own website, I see “visitors” from Russia that are in unpopulated areas…so what are they doing there? Russia would have a lot to gain from his destructive behavior.

  10. If you thik it is possible and I think it is possible then why hasn’t our government and the military leaders ever thought of this. They still think he is in the Middle East somewhere. There hasn’t even been a thought given to the idea that he may be in Russia. Anyone who knows their bible knows that Russia at some point has to regain power in end times. God intervenes and destroys Russia, but we are at the point and time that Russia is about to emerge. Someone is aiding them so why isn’t Russia a place of investigation? God’s plan will go forth no matter what we try to do to stop it, but I just am amazed at the ignorance of our own country.

    • it would be almost impossible to invade Russia and look for him..It is too huge. They may have thought of this, and be doing something, but they are not going to make it public.

  11. Yes, you are right. I think America will be burnt and I have tried to give the message to the whole communities especially the gays communities, and the Mormons and they ignore me and mock at me and laughed, and I did all that I could do and I cannot do anything. I tried the best I could to to warn them. But, they are not ready to serve the Lord, and have rejected the Lord and forsaken him even religions have forsaken God, and they serve him in mouth and do mouth service and not in heart, and they are ready to be burnt and I do not think the church will be saved, but the people of God who is now made the Church or the Bride of Christ will be saved, or taken with Christ. I do not know how Christ will do these things, but he knows higher than all of us. I tell you that no man knows the day and hour of the Day of the Lord. Because it is too late now. There is no other way. I have sent this message today that it is too late, I say again. Now, I want to thank for permitting to write here my personal warnings and thanks for everything and with all love from your friend.

    • hi Melvin

      People who do not want to hear remain deaf. And it is their own fault. Those that seek the truth will find it.

      The book is closed on America. Judgment is coming.

      It grieves me to live here.

    • Day and hour occurs in various time zones therefor who knows? Only God knows, not even the Son. Each Saturday is the Day of the Lord. These things will be written into the hearts of His believers, which is more powerful than the brains of the fallen. Want to know more of end times read E W Bullingers book “Witness of the Stars” of 1898 publication or prior – the third chapter. Ask for wisdom so you will understand.

  12. Destruction maps of USA..including one from Duduman

    http://www.rebirthofanation.org/Destruction_Maps.html

  13. God revealed this message by his servant, because USA is Babylon the great. Warning to all who shall see these videos is to get off on time, under the words: “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues”.

    • hi Isfa

      Does he mean by “come out of her” to leave the United States, or to just come out of her sins?

      • You will be changed by your decision to come out of her, into a body of light (see Mount Tabor). All will still be a witness so you will be affirmed into your decision, by Grace.

  14. I would like to be on Dimitru Duduman’s mailing list .

  15. I have read the book “Through The Fire Without Burning” . I would like to have information on other books by Dimitru Duduman. I would like to know where i can the book above?

  16. Jesus who is in the Vatican now told me that the angel that spoke to DD is true but his visions are not.

    • how can that be true?

    • No Jesus is in the Vatican, since there is no room for Him. Believe the angels that tell of Jesus the Christ, question as they can not or do not endure the torture of His name. Question as well inside and outside of the Vatican and all those present. The strength isn’t yours or the herald of angels but the actual Lord. There is NO literal Lord set aside His power & authority. DD visions are true, but they can be changed and cancelled by the Grace invested in each believer. Rewards are with the Lord, rewards from Satan is everybody’s destruction.

  17. Marianne
    I don´t like to say this but USA and most of the world only have a few years left on earth. DD words that soon USA will burn is true. God had enough of people on earth. They will fire up the most part of the world very soon.

  18. Dumitru Duduman Russian invasion of Americas and the Tribulation

  19. Dr Maurice Sklar Saw the Destruction of America Mystery Babylon

    http://americaslastdays.blogspot.com/

  20. A. A. Allen Vision of the Destruction of America By Russian Invasion

  21. RUSSIA INVASION OF AMERICA – VISION – 1986 – HENRY GRUVER

  22. Marianne,

    I have been looking at some of the prophecies given by Duduman and have heard, in the past couple of months, an updated teaching on the USA in Bible Prophecy. I attended a Hebraic Conference this past June. One of the speakers, a Messianic Jew, taught on this subject. It was not spoken as a prophecy, but rather a teaching with 80 plus scriptures to make the case that America is the daughter of Babylon.

    These are the points that parallel what Duduman Prophesied:

    That America would be destroyed by a nuclear attack

    That America would be destroyed in one day

    That America would be engaged in a civil war when the attack occurred.

    That America would be uninhabited from that time on.

    That the attack would be from multiple nations, but with scripture pointing to the land that is currently Iran.

    At the end, this is what he said concerning the people of Yah:
    That we are not to move prematurely. The time to leave would be after the major problems started, but before the nuclear attack. That basically His people would know when to leave and travel to Israel.

    I personally believe we are the daughter of Babylon (spiritual Babylon) and with the Blood moons of 2014 & 2015 at the door in just a matter of months, these things will come quickly. We can already see a civil war in this country in the making. It seems to be just a matter of time until one side or the other over plays their hand.

    Just on a personal note, it almost seems like the destruction coming to America parallels aspects of His people being led out of Egypt and Sodom. The lesson here is that, it is said that only 20 % of the Hebrew children in Egypt left for the promised land. The rest were too connected to life in Egypt and preferred to stay, even while facing destruction. The same with Sodom, with Lot’s wife looking back and yearning for the cesspool they had been living in. These are just my thoughts and nothing more.

    • al

      that is the I understand him also. the challenge my be to get loved ones to leave.

      • In Jer 3:14 it seems there is a disparity between the population of a city and the total members of a family. One would think that more would come from a city than from a family. I tend to believe what is being said here, is that in the secular cities, our words of warning will be almost totally unheeded. But in our families, the warnings will give greater results, actually bringing about a much higher number of people even coming out of the cities. Maybe what is being said is, that during this time, saving the lost in the world is, at least for the most part over, and it is time to concentrate on your family resulting in a larger harvest. We can trust that Messiah will lead us in all of this.

  23. Jeremiah 3:14

    New American Standard Bible

    ‘Return, O faithless sons,’ declares the LORD; ‘For I am a master to you, And I will take you one from a city and two from a family, And I will bring you to Zion.’

    • Al and Marianne,

      Al, I am thankful to read what you’ve posted because there is a great deal of Messianic Hebrew insight, which is very valuable.

      The prophetic messages posted, in my opinion, are a part of a very large picture.

      My reply/comment is not a criticism – just sharing and offering, adding to what is given. If His Church can grasp that we are all members of a Body and each has gifts to apply – then more can be learned from the members.

      I think we are to “prepare our hearts” (James 5:7-11). Again, the message you post is great! It helps me because I don’t have all the answers.

      I agree with the Babylon (spiritual) connection with US. But, I do not think or believe that the community of people living in North America will be wiped out.

      Yes, family members are essential to the equation of building the Kingdom in these last days. Family connections and connections among Believers (family of God) will be critical for many reasons.

      However, there will be “Amazing Grace” sweeping over many with a flooding/overflowing of the Holy Spirit in the months ahead of us.

      Look, I’m not a Pentecostal.

      When 9-11 took place, people slowed down a little bit and thought about eternity. We sang “God Bless America”. We kept singing during the 7th inning into the next season too. But, church attendance dropped back to “normal” within weeks of 9-11.

      When Babylon falls in one hour (“that great city”) – it will drive people to their knees. There will be other events that will grab many foolish virgins attentions too.

      Al, there are 4 people who know my full testimony and – like me – we all 4 experienced deliverance from our own individual and very personal demonic oppressions, then ministered deliverance to others within the past couple of years.

      And, we did not know each other (collectively) until 2 years ago. I also find Marianne’s page about 2 years ago, reading posts like yours Al. Thank you Lord.

      The 4 of us did not all live in this area 5 years ago. We all don’t attend the same church. Two households did not choose to move here – it was not our choice to move to Iowa. I prefer the Caribbean. 🙂

      Coincidence in deliverance experiences, meeting each other, and connecting spiritually? I think the Lord is working in each of us “strategically” for a reason.

      In the past couple of years (since 2010 for me), each of us received “words of knowledge” and/or dreams and/or visions that led us (individually) and then collectively to understand that there will be a remnant within the US.

      Many Hebrews may seek to return to Israel when these events begin to unfold, I pray they do. But, I think and we (just the 4 of us) believe (by dreams, visions and “words of knowledge”) that a whole lot of Believers will be gathering together here in North America and not led to leave.

      Within the Old Testament verses that have prophetic implications on the end of the age. Well, there are a few in the New Testament too.

      There will be a mighty work in the last days. There will also be an anointing of the Holy Spirit liken to the early Church days.

      I think this phrase has more meaning than we give it. The Scripture says “the first shall be last and the last shall be first”. That is a very small example and you may say I’m reading into the verse more than what is there. Okay.

      Here is another prophetic message to contemplate. This one is within John 2:1-10. This event was within the last days of a 7 day wedding feast, just before the groom takes the bride away.

      Without my help (like you need it), what do you think the significance is with those 6 large cisterns used for purification?

      These large cisterns are filled to the top with water. What do these “water pots” represent in the context of water turned into the best wine for last days/hours of this wedding feast, which is given to the master of the house? A portion of the answer is with the Old Testament. Please, let me know what you think about John 2:1-10.

      Going back to phrase “the first shall be last” – I think that The Church is going to come alive again as The Body of Christ, a Bride without spot or wrinkle.

      What was in the first days of The Church will be in these last days before He returns. This will require the 5 fold ministry of Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers working within The Body (in small synagogus) around the world.

      In the coming months these offices (positions) will manifest and the gifts applied like they were intended by Lord because the lion has roamed throughout the vineyard for a long time.

      “Out of the eater came something to eat, and out of the strong came something sweet.”

      I think and believe that The Spirit will come upon His Church for a mighty work in the last days and we truly overcome “the lion” by the Blood of the Lamb and our testimony (Rev. 12:10-12).

      Thoughts?

      Blessings
      Psalms 23

      • dj

        the remnant will be very alone, with many to tend to, after the happy days are gone. it will be a sober time, not much rejoicing, unless they can reach people and they get saved.

      • It appears about of third of America is on fire out west.

        I agree DJ we all are moved in unique ways as G-d desires. Perhaps, as we watch events unfold like the 17 trillion dept, murder of the innocents, wild fires, floods, Egypt, Syria, the Sinai where Christians are under attack, we fall back on what we believe in most.

        I keep looking in the sky thinking Old Knob is going to be thrown out of Heaven forever any day. Why do I think this way? Why do I hoard MRE’s, and fishing tackle? My haircut keeps getting shorter. Doesn’t everyone spend their vacation days going to the field to train, and set up trip wires around a fortified position?

        Even though I try, I can not stop. Do any of you nice folks have it the same way as I do?

  24. Hey DJ,

    I am not saying that the five fold ministry will not be evidenced in the end time assembly of believers. What is being said, is that their will be a window of time between the civil war in this country and the time to leave before the nuclear destruction that is coming. What we are called to do during that time by Ruach HaKodesh is what we need to be doing. But, when we are told to leave, by that same Spirit, it is time to leave. The whole purpose for leaving America (or any of the other nations (plural) ) is for the reunification of Ephraim and Judah in the land of Israel. Those who have accepted the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and received the gift of salvation through Messiah, even though they are from the nations and not ethnic Israel, are as much a part of Israel as the homeborn! At the end of all this, it is about going home to to the place that has been prepared for us by Yah “Eretz Yisrael”!

  25. DJ,

    Sorry, I didn’t say anything about the scripture in John 2 about the 6 water pots. Will get back with you about that. Have a great day my brother!!

  26. Hey DJ,

    Just wanted to make a correction on what was stated above. The way scripture reads, the time for ministry is “now” until some point during the civil war. This is how scripture seems to state the timing of these events; the attack from the nations will happen “while” the USA is distracted by the civil war that is occurring during that period of time. I will look up the scriptures and post them. If in fact we believe that America is spiritual Babylon (daughter of Babylon), we have to accept all of the scriptures that pertains to her, even if it doesn’t necessarily fit into our understanding of what is to come. However this does turn out, we know that Messiah is in control and His will be done, regardless of what man thinks or believes.

    Concerning the six jars of purification; We know that in the first century, following the Ascension of Messiah, the 5 fold ministry of Messiah was realized in the Apostles. Besides Stephen, we have no other reference. We also know (through historical accounts) that the believers of that day followed in the way of the Apostles until the time of Constantine in approx. 312 AD……enter the decadence of the organized Christian Church.

    We have been in the 6th day (6th purification jar) for almost a 1000 years now, but the defining period of time in the 6th day was Israel becoming a nation again, in one day, in 1948. Again, on June 7th, 1967 Jerusalem was retaken by Israel. The affects of this came as a wave of revival in the Christian Church, from the late 60’s-70’s. I lived in So. California at the time and was literally swept into the kingdom. I was attending Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim and the tent meetings of Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa. It was to say the least, an electrifying time.

    I have been reading some on why the Jesus movement died. I believe it has to do with the Christian Church and it’s beliefs. I don’t know anything about what happened in the Church in 1948 when Israel became a nation again, but I do understand about 1967-the 1970’s, I experienced it and saw the power that was there. What the Christian Church received then was a direct result of what was happening in Israel, because of our connection with them through Messiah. But the rejection of the Commandments by the Christian Church allows for no lasting affect from these revivals. They come in a powerful way and then they are gone, as if they never happened. And everyone goes back to their usual status quo.

    In John 14:21

    Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

    21″ Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me, and the one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

    But we are in a new day now. The Jews have found their Messiah while keeping the commands (Torah) and it is spilling over into the Christian Church. There are those of the Church who are coming out of their paganism to the foundation that was laid from the beginning; having received Messiah Yahshua and learning to walk in His ways (the Commandments) and Messiah is manifesting himself to them.

    This is the connection, of why in the last hours of the 6th day, Messiah will bring back the fullness of His ministry on this earth.

    The first time was from the time of Messiah’s first coming until around 312 AD. Approximately 200 years. Both the Messiah and the Commandments are one in His people and the manifestation of His ministry in His people is the result.

    For only the second time in history, these two elements of salvation through Messiah and the keeping of the commandments is happening again. But this will be for a lot shorter period of time, but none the less powerful. We are already seeing a deeper understanding of scripture, which I tend to believe is only the beginning of greater things to come, with His ministry in place for a season. The truth is the ministry of Messiah is happening in the far corners of the earth, out of the reach of the daughter of Babylon’s influence. The problem is, we tend to determine what is happening with Messiah’s people based on what is happening in America. Big mistake.

    The time we are in now is erev Shabbat; the evening of the Sabbath rest, when light begins to mingle with dark, just prior to the darkness of the time of Jacob’s trouble, which will usher in the 1000 year reign of Messiah.

    In the words of the Messiah: John 9:4-5 – 4 As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

    Be Blessed DJ

  27. Al,

    Thanks for sharing your insight in John 2:1-10 (water into wine).

    I don’t know why the experience you had in So Cal did not continue, thrive and spread – expect that the spiritual battle picks up intensity and the focus changes after a person becomes a Believer.

    Once saved, the enemy has orders to do everything necessary to see that Lucifer does not to fall like lightning again (so embarrassing to a fallen angel filled with pride, the Prince of Darkness).

    The demonic strategic plan is to keep the Church from knowing about the keys and applying those keys once they are saved.

    Da Pope got the keys from Peter, right? 😉

    Most Protestants let the Catholics keep hold of them too because they don’t know the value of the keys or care to learn how to apply them.

    God gives us the answer in Hosea 4:6, and this is the enemy’s objective (keep them on milk and off solid food, keep them from knowing about the keys). For more on that lion (seeking to steal, kill and destroy the Church), and the power of The Spirit in the last days – see Judges 14.

    I appreciate your assessment that the 6 water pots (cisterns) represent the 6th day, which is before entering into His rest on the 7th day (millennium rest). We are close to that 7th day, Amen.

    What came to my mind – these 6 cisterns (water pots) represent man (# man), made on the sixth day. Your interpretation is very applicable, considering the end of the age is upon us.

    These 6 large water pots were used for the purification of utensils, etc. Very clean water for washing. Ephesians 5:25-27 (NKJV), tells us about the spiritual application of such water.

    “…just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.”

    A poor cistern (large pot – human), and an inability to hold pure water is found in Jeremiah 2:11-13 (NKJV):

    …But My people have changed their Glory for what does not profit. Be astonished, O heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid; Be very desolate,” says the Lord. ‘For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters, and hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water.”

    They (“My people”) have forsaken His commandments, the Torah and all Scriptures. “My people” can apply to Believers too (in my opinion) – see Psalm 1.

    So, the master of the house tells the groom that he (the groom) saved the best wine for the last days/hours of the wedding feast, which is just before entering into the 7th day (Sabbath).

    What is your is your understanding the Hebrew wedding feast?

    I think that the groom and bride attend the wedding feast not as “man and wife”. It is not until the end of the feast that He takes His bride to the house He prepared for her. Is this correct?

    For anyone following this tread – here is John 2:1-10.

    “On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Now both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.”

    Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”

    His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.”

    Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece. Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” And they filled them up to the brim.

    And He said to them, “Draw some out now, and take it to the master of the feast.” And they took it.

    When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom.

    And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!”

    Okay, when you give me your understanding of a Hebrew wedding feast, then I’ll share an interpretation of John 2:-10 as a foreshadowing with you.

    Blessings
    Psalm 1

    • Hey DJ,

      I understand what you are saying concerning the 6th jar being the number of man. As has been stated before, the Word is deep and wide, with many applications, yet without contradicting itself.

      Pretty much everyone understands that in scripture that seven is the perfect number of Yah and relates to a general meaning of completion. That is why the creation was completed in 6 days and then Yah rested on the 7th and called the day Kadosh (set apart-Holy), as this was the pattern given to man for their work week, that in working 6 days, we are to rest on the 7th. In regards to the creation, it would last for 7 days (7000 years) and then eternity would begin. But also, by no coincidence (not a kosher word), a Hebrew marriage is 7 days in duration. All of this is by design. So there is a correlation between the number of days of a wedding and the corresponding number of days of the duration of His creation.

      Exodus 19
      “3 Moshe went up to God, and ADONAI called to him from the mountain: “Here is what you are to say to the household of Ya‘akov, to tell the people of Isra’el: 4 ‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now if you will pay careful attention to what I say and keep my covenant, then you will be my own treasure from among all the peoples, for all the earth is mine; 6 and you will be a kingdom of cohanim for me, a nation set apart.’ These are the words you are to speak to the people of Isra’el.”
      (v) 7 Moshe came, summoned the leaders of the people and presented them with all these words which ADONAI had ordered him to say. 8 All the people answered as one, “Everything ADONAI has said, we will do.” Moshe reported the words of the people to ADONAI. 9 ADONAI said to Moshe, “See, I am coming to you in a thick cloud, so that the people will be able to hear when I speak with you and also to trust in you forever.” Moshe had told ADONAI what the people had said; 10 so ADONAI said to Moshe, “Go to the people; today and tomorrow separate them for me by having them wash their clothing; 11 and prepare for the third day. For on the third day, ADONAI will come down on Mount Sinai before the eyes of all the people.”

      Notice that even before hearing the terms of the Covenant they said “Everything Yah has said we will do.”, or basically “I DO”. This is wedding talk between a husband and His betrothed. He told them to take “today and tomorrow” in washing their clothes (purifying themselves) and preparing for the “THIRD DAY” when Yah would come down to His people and give them the Torah (Ketubah), the wedding vows-wedding contract between Him and His people. He vowed to love and keep them in all their ways if they would honor and obey him according to the marriage contract-ketubah (Torah) that He spoke to them. Yah was bound by His Words in the Torah, for the good or the bad of the people based on their obedience or disobedience.

      This is the FIRST time that Yah gave the Torah-His wedding vows to His people. He did this by writing them on a tablet of stone (signifying a heart of stone). He gave His people TWO days to prepare for His coming, which would happen on the Third day. If that was the first time Yah gave His wedding vows (Torah) to His “betrothed”, when was the second time and how was it different?

      It is stated in Hebrew understanding that Messiah would come on the 4th day of creation. The Jews were looking for Him to come when He actually did, but not in the manner they expected (or wanted). They understood that Joseph was a picture of the Messiah as a suffering servant, but also realized that David was a picture of the Messiah coming as king. Considering the persecution that Israel was under by the Romans, the ruling class did not want a suffering servant, but rather a king to free them from their bondage to Rome. The basic understanding was this; there would be two Messiah’s coming at two different times and not one Messiah making two different appearances. They had actually pre-disposed themselves to easily being blinded by Yah to the intent of Messiah’s first coming.

      We saw above that Messiah came to His people on the 4th day of creation. To abbreviate some of this I will just get to the point. He came this time as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins, writing His Torah-ketubah-wedding contract-wedding vows on our hearts, in His own blood, that we should love, honor, and obey Him and He would love us and keep us through His shed blood and not by the letter of the law written on a heart of stone, but rather by His Word-Torah written on our renewed hearts by the power of Ruach HaKodesh. The people of Yah kept their wedding vows to Messiah for approx. 200 years, at which time the marriage contract-ketubah-Torah was rejected by what had become the Christian Church. On the other hand, we have the Jews who have kept the marriage contract-Torah, but rejecting their Husband (Messiah). And so it has been for approx. 2 days-2 thousand Years.

      It says the following in Hosea:
      Hosea 6:2
      Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

      2 After two days, he will revive us;
      on the third day, he will raise us up;
      and we will live in his presence.

      Yah came to His people, after TWO days, and on the THIRD day at Mount Sinai-giving the Torah-the Word-ketubah-marriage contract to His people. So again He came to His people on the 4th day of creation and said that after TWO DAYS He would raise us up to live in His presence, on the THIRD DAY. Messiah came at the beginning of the 4th day and would return again on the third day which would put His return somewhere around the end of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th day. We are currently in the last hours of the 6th day of Creation, a time of purification, having had TWO days to prepare for His coming. At this time, those of His people will understand and receive His Word-Torah, while the Jews will understand who Messiah is and embrace Messiah Yahshua as their husband. The Word says that the tribulation associated with the Day Of Yah, will cause His people’s eyes to be opened and they will declare, “Baruch Haba HaShem Adonai”.

      “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord”, this is
      actually “wedding talk” and a Hebraic way of saying, “Welcome!”.
      Yeshua/Jesus said that He will not return back to the earth at his
      second coming until He is welcomed as the bridegroom and His people”
      are crying out for Him to return and be married to His people !!!”

      The word said that we are to walk through this life as Messiah walked. We are to emulate Him in our walk. I find it so strange to think that so many think we are called to walk contrary to how He walked, thinking that He walked for us and relieved us of all personal responsibility. We are not saved by our walk! We rather confirm our salvation by walking after Him and striving to walk as He walked which confirmed that He was the “spotless lamb” worthy of our praise and obedience. Even the name Christian was to make the statement of being Christ like. But on the contrary, most refuse to walk the way He walked. We are to walk in love, which is what the Torah is all about, which we are enabled to do since He has written His Torah on our hearts, causing Him in return to manifest Himself to us and to enable us through Ruach HaKodesh to walk out this life in the spirit of the Torah. But sadly, most have taken on a Greek understanding of these things and have left behind our marriage vows to Messiah. Those who do so have salvation, but what exactly does that mean???? Remember where it says a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. The thinking that willful disobedience is okay and that teaching others the same is right and good, is foolishness and self-destructive. It is not the mistake of breaking a commandment that will destroy you. It is rather the willful disobedience of His Word that is crushing, thinking that we will do that of what WE approve while rejecting His Word. That somehow we believe our new understanding relegates that which is foundational, to the dusty shelves of times past.

      When we receive His Word in its fullness, the ministry of Messiah will return in its fullness. It is also no coincidence that Malachi 4:4-6 are the last verses in the Tanakh, the bridge if you will, from the original covenant of Yah, Torah written on hearts of stone, to the renewed covenant of Yah, with the Torah written on our hearts through the shed blood Of Messiah Yahshua.

      The message of Elijah is to RETURN, to make teshuvah, to turn around and return to those things first given. Those who ministered in the renewed covenant in the fullness of the Spirit, walked in the ways of Torah while being covered by the blood of Messiah Yahshua. How is it that we seem to think it will be different in these last days? Yah has not changed anything since the time of the Apostles!

      Malachi 4:4-6

      (4:4) “Remember the Torah of Moshe my servant,
      which I enjoined on him at Horev,
      laws and rulings for all Isra’el.
      23 (4:5) Look, I will send to you
      Eliyahu the prophet
      before the coming of the great
      and terrible Day of ADONAI.
      24 (4:6) He will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children
      and the hearts of the children to their fathers;
      otherwise I will come and strike the land
      with complete destruction.”
      [Look, I will send to you
      Eliyahu the prophet
      before the coming of the great
      and terrible Day of ADONAI.]

      Be Blessed DJ

  28. Hey DJ,

    I read over your post again and left out a couple of things.

    There are always to “witnesses” at a Jewish wedding. Moses-Torah and Elijah-the Prophets. Pretty much speaks for itself.

    We are betrothed to Messiah until He comes to take His bride. But during that time of betrothal, it takes a writing of divorce to nullify the betrothal by Messiah. Such was the case with Ephraim in the Tanakh. Not until Messiah comes for His bride, when Ephraim and Judah call for their bridegroom to return, and He takes us away to His chamber, will the marriage be consummated.

  29. Al,

    You wrote – “by no coincidence (not a kosher word), a Hebrew marriage is 7 days in duration. All of this is by design. So there is a correlation between the number of days of a wedding and the corresponding number of days of the duration of His creation.”

    Thanks for your assistance. Excellent connection between creation week and wedding feast (Feast of Tabernacles, yes?).

    I think the 7 years of “Tribulation” (Strong’s: “anguish” or “trouble”) occur over 7 years for a reason.

    Here is an interesting wedding feast in Scriptures. There are many reasons for this particular event in Samson’s life to occur and be written in the book of Judges chapter 14.

    Samson fell in love with a Philistine woman (it was lust at first sight). After seeing her, Samson asks his parents to arrange the marriage. His parents relented to their son’s request, knowing that their union would not be blessed by God.

    But, God had a plan – there was time to “save the boy” from his fleshly desires, which did not honor his parents, his people, or God’s law.

    BTW, a subtle item in the message is found in the meaning of Samson’s name; “sunlight” as in an Israelite.

    Also, the English translation of “husband” and “wife” in this chapter is misleading – if you do not understand the Hebrew wedding feast and the Hebrew language (beyond any English translation).

    When you read Samson’s “wife” it to be “his woman”. When you read her “husband” it is understood as “her man”. The marriage union is not complete until the end of the 7th day. Then there is the union, becoming one flesh, becoming husband and wife (married).

    So, in the mists of his 7 day wedding feast, Samson came across a lion as he walked through a vineyard, ripping the lion apart like it was a “young goat”.

    Samson made up a riddle within the days of the wedding feast, challenging his brides’ friends to solve it (Judges 14:14)

    “Now for three days they could not explain the riddle. But it came to pass on the seventh day that they said to Samson’s wife [” ishshâh”, Hebrew word meaning woman) – Entice your husband [man] that he may explain the riddle to us, or else we will burn you and your father’s house with fire. Have you invited us in order to take what is ours? Is that not so?” (Judges 14:15).

    Before the wedding feast ended, Samson’s woman betrayed his trust. The marriage feast did not end with a union between man and woman. He also never took her to his house. Samson gave her away to someone else and returned home.

    I think there is a foreshadowing in this account.

    The lion represents Satan (1st Peter 5:8).

    Vineyard represents “The Church” (John 15:5).

    Young goat represents an unqualified people (Hebrew indium: “separate the sheep from the goats” is to separate good people from bad or those intended for a specific end (‘sheep of My pasture’) from unqualified people). See Ezekiel 34:31, Psalm 100:3 and John chapter 10.

    The Spirit (2 Timothy 1:7) came upon Samson (“light”), filling Samson with Power to rip the lion apart with the strength given him and not with a weapon.

    Samson’s fight/victory over the lion, honey eaten from the caucus, a testing riddle and the betrayal of trust all occurred during the 7 day wedding feast, which ended not in a marriage union between a Samson (“man of light”) and a “beautiful woman of the world”.

    Before going into the John 2:1-10 account – what do you think of the above? Do you see any symbolism or a foreshadow of what is coming to pass in these last days?

    Blessings
    Psalm 103

    • Dj

      Jacob’s trouble is only 3 1/2 years….in a final week of Daniel…..the bible does not say the tribulation will last 7 years, but only 3 1/2

      7 year trib is a popular notion, but it is not accurate.

  30. Hi,

    Clarification: I’m referring to Daniel’s week (7 years) and not referencing Jacob’s trouble (Hebrew’s trouble?)

    The events during this period of time (Daniel’s 7 day/week – each day represents a year) as I understand are according to the seals:

    3.5 years (incorporates seals 1-3), followed by

    3.5 years of “Great Tribulation” (begins with seal 4 opening and the events of the 7th seal, which include wrath/judgement).

    I think all 7 seals occurs over/during Daniel’s week (7 days = 7 years).

    Jacob’s trouble – some folks think that is inclusive of the 70 years of the state of Israel (1947 UN proclamation or 1948+ 70 yr generation, per Psalm 90:10). I don’t know. The Hebrews (Israelites / “Samson”) do have their own process to go through during these days of Daniel’s week.

    So then, what do you make of Samson’s wedding week?

    • sampson broke the rules marrying an unbeliever….in the eyes of God there was no marriage.

    • Hey DJ,

      Sorry I haven’t gotten back with you yet. My mother has been in the hospital and have been out of pocket. I look forward to responding to you soon about the verses on Samson.

      • Al,

        Thanks for the note, looking forward to your comments with a Hebrew perspective.

        Blessings to you and mom.

        • Hey DJ,

          Sorry for the long pause in my response. The past month or so has been one of the craziest in my life. My mother came back from what seemed to be certain death. I personally believe there were things left undone in our family that brought her back for just a while longer.

          I was in the process of studying the scriptures on Samson when all of this came about with my mother. To be completely honest with you, when I read the scriptures on Samson and his life, I saw all of the numbers and words that pertain to a Hebrew wedding. But, with that being said, something seemed wrong with it all. The continuity that comes from the revelation of a foundational truth found openly declared in scripture, revealed in an obscure passage through numbers and words, must agree with the foundational scripture.

          “Each type of Pardes interpretation examines the extended meaning of a text. As a general rule, the extended meaning never contradicts the base meaning.”

          To use the verses in the life and marriage of Samson, to parallel the wedding feast of Messiah to His bride doesn’t fit (in my understanding) for the following reasons:

          The seven day marriage of Samson was a pagan Philistine wedding, and is not to be compared to the seven day wedding feast of Messiah to His bride. He was breaking the Torah in all of this. Also, since it was a seven day wedding we do not know what day it started on, bringing up the point that more than likely, it did not culminate on “the 7th day”, the Shabbat.

          To make this comparison one must also see Samson as a type of Messiah, who slew the “lion” (satan) and the resulting riddle that out of the strong came sweetness. The Hebrew word for lion in this verse, alludes to a mature cub, not a full grown lion, which would not be symbolic of HaSatan. Samson had taken the Nazarite vows and was bound by Torah, which he flagrantly disregarded. He was not to touch anything dead, much less eat something out of the dead carcass of a lion. Not only did he do that, but he gave some to his parents without even telling them where it came from.

          By comparison, Joseph and David are both symbolic of Messiah. They were both considered righteous men=doing the right things. This is not to say that they did not make mistakes along the way, but rather that in spite of their faults, their hearts were right towards Yah and His Word-Torah. Samson on the other hand was unrighteous=not doing the right thing. He broke Torah at pretty much every turn and caused others to do the same without even a second thought.

          The story of Samson is hard to understand, but what we do know is that in Hebrews 11 he is mentioned as one of the mighty men of Yah. If it seems I was being over critical of him from what I wrote above, I wasn’t. I was just trying to make the point that he was not any sort of Messianic figure. In the end he fulfilled the things that Yah had given him to do and was numbered with the mighty men of Yah. I have read others who have said the same thing I believe you are alluding to with the life and circumstances in the life of Samson. I just do not believe it fulfills the directive in interpreting scripture:

          “Each type of Pardes interpretation examines the extended meaning of a text. As a general rule, the extended meaning never contradicts the base meaning.”

          A Rabbi wrote the following words concerning the story of Samson:

          “Samson must be one of the most ironic characters in the entire bible. It’s hard to know what to make of him, and allegorizing who he was and what he did into a wide array of sermons and topical discussions has proved to be irresistible to Rabbis and Pastors alike.
          There is a fine line between recognizing and applying a biblically defined God-pattern to a situation, versus twisting the meaning of a bible passage into something that attempts to prove our point. The key to know which you are hearing is context. If the context of the application is the same as the context of the original scriptural pattern, then the application is probably being properly applied; if not, it should be discounted as ear-tickling words of persuasion. Whether listening to me or any other bible teacher, that standard should always be kept in mind.”

          Of course, this is just how I see all of this, which does not make me necessarily right. Some of the points I made came from others I have read. The bottom line is I have read and researched (to a degree) both sides of this. I most likely wouldn’t have done that, but in the beginning I couldn’t find anything that really made much sense concerning the life of Samson, in relation to what scripture says about a Jewish wedding. Sorry it took me so long to back with you on all of this.

          Would be interested in knowing what you see in the story of Samson regarding his wedding and all the other details you listed.

          Be Blessed my Brother

  31. Al,

    God bless you, mom and your family in this season (appointed time). May you find peace and resolution to the matters at hand. The Lord loves your mother.

    Okay, I’ll quickly respond but want to re-read your reply and study out some more of your points.

    I was looking at Samson representing “the church” as he was about to be married to a woman (seduction by her beauty) and of the world (sin). He (mighty man of God) had a problem with da ladies (Jezebel spirits).

    God steps in with this riddle and its outcome, which spoils the last day of the wedding feast. The last day and hours, before Samson and the woman were united (they don’t sleep together until the 7th night of the feast) as “man and wife”. Samson was cutting it close. God was cutting it close – for a reason?

    Samson rips the lion like it was a “goat”? What does a goat represent in Scripture?

    The Spirit came upon Samson at that moment to overcome the lion in the mists of a vinyard? What does a vinyard represent?

    So, let me ponder your reply for a few days.

    I’m not trying to force anything, just trying to see if there is something here, deeper than the obvious “Sunday School Lesson”.

    Let’s continue to work this out before venturing into John’s account of the water turned into wine, during the last days of that particular wedding feast, which does represent the Church and our Lord.

    You know your Scriptures and that is a blessing to me.

    Blessings
    Pslam 27

    • Note, the following idea is not original with me, but…

      You mentioned about turning water into wine. I think the John 2 account of turning water into wine may represent Jesus purifying the ocean from radiation and pollution at the second coming.

      It was his first miracle at his first coming, and a miracle like this will be needed first for the second coming.

      Note that there were 6 waterpots of stone Jesus purified in Cana, and there are also SIX Fukushima “waterpots” polluting the ocean.

      I studied about the meaning of Cana. It pertains to reeds and grass. “All flesh is grass” so I guess we all live in Cana today!

    • Hey DJ,

      I have been thinking about your response above and I do believe there is validity in what you are saying. But what I am seeing, in what you wrote, is something different than what you might be thinking, and then maybe not. I am going to take a little time and write you back concerning this by next week. Should make for an interesting dialogue.

      Be Blessed in Messiah Yahshua my brother

  32. That the church is prophesied about with Samson’s marriage is too deep for me!
    But I think the church, along with the title of this thread “America will burn”, IS in the Song of Solomon.
    Watch my video…

  33. Al,

    Thank you for continuing the thread.

    This summarizes my struggle – not wanting to force an interpretation – when you wrote, “Each type of Pardes interpretation examines the extended meaning of a text. As a general rule, the extended meaning never contradicts the base meaning.”

    Okay, we can agree that this wedding feast is not kosher (we see this as her wedding arrangements not his) and it is not ordained by God. I agree that this is not a blessed union. But, we read,

    (17) “Samson’s wife cried for the rest of the seven days of the feast. So he finally gave her the answer on the seventh day, because she kept ·bothering [nagging; pressing] him. Then she told ·her [the sons of her] people the answer to the riddle.

    ( 18) Before sunset on the seventh day of the feast, the Philistine men had the answer. They came to Samson and said…”(Judges 14, Expanded Translation).

    There is a common practice of a wedding feast and a 7 day period of time or seven year period of time in the account of Jacob and Leah before they were “united as man and wife”. Then after 7 days, Jacob was given Rachel as his beloved wife. There was a working out of 7 years for both wives too.

    The point: there are 7 days within Samson’s wedding feast, which seem to be as significant as Jacob/Leah and Jacob/Rachel wedding arrangements. The number 7 means something in regards to wedding arrangements. It even applies to wedding account within John 2:1-10 (if we ever get to that account?)

    I believe this “Samson 7 day wedding feast” has a similar “base meaning” as other weddings within Scripture and may apply/reference in some way to the process (key word is “process”) that occurs between Christ and His bride.

    We are betrothed indeed and He comes to take His bride away from this dwelling place to the home He has prepared for His bride – a bride without spot or wrinkle (Ephesians 5:27). The church is a mess in these last days.

    It took almost the last minute of the 7 day wedding feast before Samson’s eyes were off her body and manipulation with an little act of sadness to witness her character and her true loyalty.

    There was a trusting heart in Samson – she would be loyal to him. But, she failed to maintain his trust and Samson rejected her in the late hours of the 7th day.

    It was as the last minute of those seven days (the riddle account occurred during the last 4 days), before Samson realized he was betrothed to the wrong woman (world). He rejected her at the last possible moment, before he took her to his house. She was not worthy to be taken to his house as man/wife.

    Please, consider the above and let me know what you think. Let’s work this over and over a bit more.

    Samson – as you noted in Hebrews chapter 11 – was a man of God. He was a leader of record for 20 years (Judges 16:31).

    “Then the Lord chose leaders called [L raised up] judges [leaders; not courtroom judges, but leaders who guided the nation through difficult times, sometimes as military commanders], who saved the Israelites from [L to deliver them from the hand of] the robbers [raiders; plunderers]” (Judges 2:16, Expanded Translation).

    So, we are to recognize Samson as a “judge”, considering his work with the “strength” given by the Spirit (Judges 14:6), applying his hands and no weapons to the lion.

    I appreciate you catching the detail of the lion: “The Hebrew word for lion in this verse, alludes to a mature cub, not a full grown lion, which would not be symbolic of HaSatan.”

    I’ll give this more attention as well.

    There must be something within this account beyond the obvious: “don’t be led by your eyes/emotions/passions and marry an unbeliever.”

    Let us continue to seek the Lord (2 Timothy 2:7) as we study this out.

    Blessings

    • Hey DJ,

      I am still working on the piece I am writing concerning Samson. There is a lot there. In the meantime, I thought I would send you these two videos by Brad Scott (a messianic). They are each about 25 minutes long, but well worth the investment of your time if you want to understand the Hebraic perspective. Brad is easy to listen to and makes it incredibly interesting. You will be surprised at what you learn in just these two videos. Will get back with you soon.

      http://yah tube.com/videos/scott/04_the_mind_of_the_messiah_p1/index.html

      http://yah-tube.com/videos/scott/05_the_mind_of_the_messiah_p2/index.html

      Be Blessed Brother

  34. DJ,

    The first part of the video left out a punctuation mark. Will repost it:

    http://yah-tube.com/videos/scott/04_the_mind_of_the_messiah_p1/index.html

  35. Al,

    Thank you for sharing the links. I’Il be able to listen, studying out his presentations staring Friday.

    Looking forward to reading what you find within Samson’s experiences.

    Oh, this is interesting – this is how Scripture defines those days/times when Samson was a Judge: “Every man did that which was right in his own eyes” (Judges 17:6). This could be said today.

    Blessings
    Proverbs 16:2

  36. Al,

    Please don’t give up on the lion cub – as you suggested this is not referencing or a description of Satan (1st Peter 5:8; Job 1:7).

    Please consider the lion cub as part of his pride (family). See many references in Scriptures including: Jeremiah 51:38 and Ezekiel 19.

    So then? This cub walks out of a vineyard (church).

    What kind of cub is this? I have an idea – I hear their messages when I’m sober. They write books, preach really good on TV, and write blogs too. They are part of the pride, knowing each other and helping each other – as a member of the same family (savvy?)

    Where is this church? Maybe Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17). But, this is a spiritual condition not a literal congregation.

    Al, please apply more of 2 Timothy 2:7.

    Blessings

  37. Hey DJ,

    Sorry this has taken so long, but honestly it just really all came together in the past couple of days. I have written page after page concerning all of this (without sending any of it) but without really addressing your questions from the story of Samson. I saw all of this from your basic perspective (of Samson being the “Christian Church”) and followed it through from the time that a “mixed” people left Egypt until the time of the 144,000. A striking pattern came out of all this, but is for a different time. It is all too much to post on a blog.

    This is what “I” came to understand about the things you spoke of concerning Samson:

    –Samson is symbolic of the “right hand” (Messiah-Sunlight) of YHWH (the Angel of YHVH), to bring about the will of the Father. We find that Samson (the right hand) desires to take a “bride” (of the Nations-Goyim) from among the Gentiles (the woman) who is lost and steeped in paganism and idolatry.

    Judges 14

    4 His father and mother didn’t know that all this came from ADONAI.
    5 Shimshon went down with his father and mother to Timnah. When they came to the vineyards of Timnah, a young lion roared at him. 6 The Spirit of ADONAI came powerfully upon Shimshon, and barehanded he tore the lion to pieces as easily as if it had been a young goat. But he didn’t tell his father or mother what he had done. 7 Then he went down and talked with the woman and found he still liked her.

    The vineyards represent Israel-the Nation and the young lion represents Judah who was torn as a “goat”. There is a double meaning in all of this. First off we find that the lion (Judah) met it’s demise-death in the midst of the vineyard. We also find that the lion (of Judah) was torn as a goat. These represent two different aspects of the lion.

    Though most realize that personal salvation was purchased for us on Passover by the sacrificial lamb, there is also the sin sacrifice of two goats on Yom Kippur, with one being sacrificed (torn) on Yom Kippur with the blood being sprinkled on the Mercy Seat in the Holy of Holies, and the other as a scapegoat, with the sins of the people transmitted to the goat, by the laying on of hands on the head of the goat by the “High Priest”, while confessing the sins of the people. The goat is then thrown off a cliff.

    But we also find the demise, death if you will, of Judah=the Nation of Israel. In 70 AD Israel ceased to be a nation and was scattered, as a people-the Jews, to the nations for 2 days=2000 years. Samson’s mother and father=the people of Judah had been blinded (didn’t know) that all of this was the will of YHWH and there was a purpose in it all.

    Genesis 49:9-10

    Y’hudah is a lion’s cub; my son, you stand over the prey. He crouches down and stretches like a lion;
    like a lioness, who dares to provoke him? 10 The scepter will not pass from Y’hudah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his legs, until he comes to whom [obedience] belongs; [a]and it is he whom the peoples will obey.

    –“Out of the eater came food; out of the strong came sweetness.” Regarding the riddle, I am going straight to the second part; “out of the strong came sweetness”. We see that through the sacrifice of Messiah (the Lion of Judah) and the demise and destruction of the Nation of Israel (the Lion), came “sweetness”, salvation to the Nations=the House of Israel=the Gentiles=the World, and lastly to Judah=The Jews. It is why Yah had to, in part, blind Judah to the fact that Yahshua was the Messiah. It was His plan from the very beginning (7 days-7000 years-a wedding feast), and not something inherently wrong with the Jews. If we judge the Jews or the Christian Church as having been left behind by Yah, we are opposing and working against His Will and what He is doing. His whole purpose in all of this is “the restoration of all things”-His people Israel-His Nation Israel-His “complete Word”. His people Israel=Jew & Gentile=One new man in Messiah.

    You wrote ….”the 7 day wedding feast, which ended not in a marriage union between a Samson(“man of light”) and a “beautiful woman of the world”. You are right in saying this!

    If we look at Revelation 7 we find that in the numbering of the 144,000 that the Tribe of Dan and the Tribe of Ephraim have been omitted and the Tribe of Joseph added. We have found that from the story in the book of Judges that Samson (from the Tribe of Dan) lived an idolatrous life while rejecting Torah, but fulfilling the purposes of Yah and ultimately being honored as a mighty man of Yah. We also find that King Jeroboam of the House of Israel (of the Tribe of Ephraim) set up Golden Calf idols in the Tribe of “Dan” and at Bethel on the border of The Tribe of “Ephraim” and The Tribe of Benjamin. Many say that Joseph is just another name for Ephraim, since he was the son of Joseph. But if that is the case, then why is Manasseh mentioned, who is a son of Joseph also? The answer is that the 144,000 are virgins, not having had relations with “women”. I am not saying this does not refer, at least in part, to the physical, but I do believe in a spiritual sense, that the 144,000 are those who are virgins based on purity from idolatry and harlotry, which explains why Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned and Joseph (a type of Messiah) is mentioned in the place of Ephraim, with Dan being completely omitted. To put it bluntly, the Bridegroom will not under any circumstances be wed to a Bride that is whoring around with other “women” in spiritual adulterous affairs of idolatry. How He judges those from the past who have died in that condition is His alone to determine. But we see from scripture that in these last days, we will not be counted as the Bride if we are stained with unforgiven spiritual adultery and idolatry and continue to walk in it. Being a virgin in a spiritual sense, does not mean we have not failed in all of this. What it does mean is, we have turned from it and our heart is clean through His forgiveness and have returned to Him and His ways! This is not talking explicitly about salvation, but rather being the Bride of Messiah.

    Samson is portrayed as living as the heathen in his flesh but led by the Spirit of Yah.

    Deuteronomy 12:29-32

    (iii) 29 “When ADONAI your God has cut off ahead of you the nations you are entering in order to dispossess, and when you have dispossessed them and are living in their land; 30 be careful, after they have been destroyed ahead of you, not to be trapped into following them; so that you inquire after their gods and ask, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I want to do the same.’ 31 You must not do this to ADONAI your God! For they have done to their gods all the abominations that ADONAI hates! They even burn up their sons and daughters in the fire for their gods! (12:32) “Everything I am commanding you, you are to take care to do. Do not add to it or subtract from it.

    Would be interested in your thoughts.

    Blessings DJ

  38. Al,

    I like your assessment of this account but need more time and get to my iPad.

    Try to respond in more detail tomorrow or by end of this week.

    Blessings

  39. Al,

    Excellent insight!

    I’ll break down your assessment into bits of intel with a little variation.

    Samson’s parents represent The Hebrew family – who are clueless of what is going on with the young lion and the source of the honey. Very cool.

    Samson has women of the world issues (Philistine bride, one account with a harlot and then Delila). He is weak in the flesh but strong in his faith. A God given might, delivering judgements upon the enemies of God. In the end, Samson has no physical eye sight but spiritual eyes, seeking God and delivering a powerful blow to the enemies of God (judgement).

    The young lion came out of the vinyard (new covenant – wine).

    The young lion was killed like a goat. There is one goat sacrificed and one set free. Yeshua was killed (sacrificed), while the “scape goat” was set free.

    “Out of the strong came sweetness”. So the young lion represents the tribe of Judah and out of that tribe came Yeshua (sweetness). Excellent!

    But, the vineyard should represent the new covenant (Yeshua) and the young lion came out of the vineyard too. Samson killed (“Crucify Him!”) that young lion (King of Judah) like it was a goat.

    Okay – I can see that application and it does have more meaning than the first time I read those verses. Yes, there can be more, various interpretations but the above works for me.

    Your 144,000 application is a stretch for me.

    I figure the144,000 as:

    The list of tribes in Revelation begins with Judah (King) and does not include those that fell away (Dan and Ephraim). Those tribes represent the foolish (Ephraim) and wicked (Dan) members of “The Church” (Bride of Christ). The Lord is returning for His Bride, which is a congregation of Believers. This included Hebrew and Gentile Believers (olive tree).

    The 144,000 are the followers of Almighty God, Everlasting Father and His Son (trust and obey). These are righteous in the sight of God, by the blood of the Lamb and their testimony (words and deeds).

    12 Elders that proceed the Ark of the Covenant into the Promise Land (Joshua 3).

    12 Disciples (followers) of Christ.

    The Ark of His Covenant (with the Blood of the Lamb applied) is surrounded by Believers. 12 + 12 = 24

    “Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads” (Revelation 4:4).

    10 represents a congregation/assembly of Believers.

    12 x 12 x 10 = 144,000 sealed by God. Ezekiel 9:4 and 2nd Corinthians 1:22.

    These 144,00 are all apart of the olive tree, grafted into the tree of life. (I think this is The Tree).

    Did you know the Islamic wacko nut jobs have done their best to destroy all the olive trees on the Mount of Olives? Clue.

    Anyway, I think Romans 11 is about to unfold when the Ark is brought forth.

    “Brothers and sisters, I want you to understand this mystery so that you won’t become arrogant. The minds of some Israelites have become closed until all of God’s non-Jewish people are included. In this way Israel as a whole will be saved, as Scripture says, ‘The Savior will come from Zion. He will remove godlessness from Jacob. My promise to them will be fulfilled when I take away their sins.’

    The Good News made the Jewish people enemies because of you. But by God’s choice they are loved because of their ancestors. God never changes his mind when he gives gifts or when he calls someone. In the past, you disobeyed God. But now God has been merciful to you because of the disobedience of the Jewish people. In the same way, the Jewish people have also disobeyed so that God may be merciful to them as he was to you. God has placed all people into the prison of their own disobedience so that he could be merciful to all people.

    God’s riches, wisdom, and knowledge are so deep that it is impossible to explain his decisions or to understand his ways. ‘Who knows how the Lord thinks? Who can become his adviser?’ Who gave the Lord something which the Lord must pay back? Everything is from him and by him and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen!” (Romans 11:25-36, GW Translation).

    Finally, I believe the Spirit that came upon Samson will come again as the same Spirit that was upon Elijah (Malachi 4). The enemy is in for a surprise (7 Thunders).

    Thank you very much for helping me grasp this passage/message and Samson’s encounter with the young lion.

    Blessings
    Psalm 20

    • DJ,

      You wrote “Your 144,000 application is a stretch for me.” Tell me specifically in what I wrote was a stretch. Go down through, if you will, what I wrote concerning this and list where I missed it. I value your opinion and your acumen in all of this and am only searching for the truth.

      Be Blessed my Brother

  40. DJ,

    Thought I would send you this. It is hard to put every reference down when writing some of these things. Will get back with you around the first of the week.

    Isaiah 5:1-7

    Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

    5 I want to sing a song for someone I love,
    a song about my loved one and his vineyard.
    My loved one had a vineyard
    on a very fertile hill.
    2 He dug up its stones and cleared them away,
    planted it with the choicest vines,
    built a watchtower in the middle of it,
    and carved out in its rock a winepress.
    He expected it to produce good grapes,
    but it produced only sour, wild grapes.

    3 Now, citizens of Yerushalayim and people of Y’hudah,
    judge between me and my vineyard.
    4 What more could I have done for my vineyard
    that I haven’t already done in it?
    So why, when I expected good grapes,
    did it produce sour, wild grapes?

    5 Now come, I will tell you
    what I will do to my vineyard:
    I will remove its hedge,
    and [its grapes] will be eaten up;
    I will break through its fence,
    and [its vines] will be trampled down.
    6 I will let it go to waste:
    it will be neither pruned nor hoed,
    but overgrown with briars and thorns.
    I will also order the clouds
    not to let rain fall on it.

    7 Now the vineyard of Adonai-Tzva’ot
    is the house of Isra’el,
    and the men of Y’hudah
    are the plant he delighted in.
    So he expected justice,
    but look — bloodshed! —
    and righteousness, but listen —
    cries of distress!

  41. Al,

    I just re-read your summary statement regarding the 144,000 and my reaction “it is a stretch for me” was a poor choice of words.

    The virgin aspect (pure faith and abiding devotion) and not polluted (unspotted) by the world (James 1:27) are attributes (qualities) of a Believer.

    Many will say “Lord, Lord!”

    The Lord will say, “I do not know you.”

    It is the relationship between – The Lord and the servant. It is the relationship of The Lord with His bride during the time of betrothal that is critical.

    Read the account of His chasing out the money changers – He said my house (we are His Temple) shall be a house of prayer. Many folks are in the business of making money/working and not in relationship with Him.

    Message to me – best to be in relationship with Him (prayer, singing spiritual hymns and recalling the Psalms) at all times that I’m not focused on a task. BTW, I can drive a car and talk with Him too.

    I was getting specific as to the representation/make up of the 144,000. It is not just Hebrews accepting the Massiah, which is how I read your summary. I think the 144,000 is a representation of Hebrews and Gentiles who together are The Bride.

    It will not be much longer before the Hebrews come to know The Lord (Romans 11).

    Blessings
    Psalm 20

  42. DJ,

    Thank you for responding. We are on the same page with what you said. A persons ethnicity alone will not gain anyone entrance into Messiah’s kingdom, nor will ethnicity alone shut any one out. We are close to the time when those of Judah and Ephraim (Joseph) will cry out, at the end of the wedding feast, for the Bridegroom to return. It is close, even at the door!

    Luke 13:34-35
    Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

    34 “Yerushalayim! Yerushalayim! You kill the prophets! You stone those who are sent to you! How often I wanted to gather your children, just as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, but you refused! 35 Look! God is abandoning your house to you! I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of ADONAI!’”[a]

    Blessings to You Brother

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  46. i believe this as being the truth.

  47. God gave me a vision of America as well as other countries, I posted the vision of America on my blog but have an urgency that the leaders of America should get it.

    I have no idea as to how this word will get to the leaders of America but trust that when the time is critical it will get there one way or another.

    My blog is: Die verfkwas-Vision of America is named THE EAGLE NEEDS TO HUMBLE HIMSELF AND ADHERE TO THE WAY AND WILL OF THE LORD.

    • How do you it comes from G-d???

      • Hi Devender of the seven sacraments, to answer your question: I know that it was God because I have a relationship with God and when I got the vision I was bussy praying and speaking to Him. The scripture teaches us that He is our shepard and that we as His sheep, know His voice…and to believe in Him, I also have to believe in what scripture says, so on that basis I know that it was God speaking to me trough a vision and also because it is not the first time that God has spoken to me through visions or dreams.

    • denise

      I agree with the conclusion, but America has rejected GOd, as a whole, so America will be destroyed.

      I wish this were not so. Just as in jeremiah’s time, the good suffered due to the acts of the wicked. It hurts me to see the good suffer.

      God gave this country so many blessings once, because it honored him..now they curse him here.

      I know my time is short now…I pray only for a peaceful death, and not a painful one.

      • Marianne

        I am not saying that no persecution will come to America because in the vision God says that it will be so, but He also says that when the persecution comes and people in America starts to die for the sake of His name, even that very act is still an outpouring of His grace to the lost and broken of America, so that they may open their hearts and ears to hear and humble themselves, turn from their wicked ways and then God will once again heal their land, but yes if not then like Isreal America will be destroyed. But the very fact that God is still giving warnings means there is still a chance that whole of America fate is not sealed in destruction (remember Jonah) because in the vision I feld like Jonah when I was “discussing the fate” of America with God and I believe I feld like that because this represents every person God is speaking to and giving word to about America to give to America. See, I know hat God not only gives the words of warning to the ones that needs to listen, but I also believe that every single person that God chooses to give the word through is being weiged by God…because what do we do with what He shows us…do we judge or do we seek His face for His mercy to be poured out on them for these are the Sons of God not seeking only Gods face but His heart for when we seek His heart we know that yes He judges but even in His judgement there is love and mercy. Jesus said (while hanging on the cross, God forgive them for they know not what they do, this should be our last breath we use even as we stare death in the eyes….GOD FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO).

        I hope this gives a bit more clarity. Love your site and may God use you to pour out His heart on His children as He reveals to you the secrets of heaven.

        • denise

          I do not think god will hurt me. but I do see the plans of the wicked for the righteous in this country, and persecution will come.

          in this case, the wicked DO “know what they do.” this makes punishment for america certain.

          god will punish the wicked after the persecution, and some he will kill beforehand.

          Without repentance, there is no forgiveness.

          america has turned its back on god, and punishment is coming….we have little time left to get the gospel out.

    • link to your site

      http://dieverfkwas.blogspot.com/

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