Did Jesus fulfill the Jewish Scriptures for Messiah?
It is legitimate to say that Jesus (Yeshua) did not fulfill all the messianic prophesies, and this lack of fulfillment is the basis for a split between Christianity and Judaism. This segment is not to examine every messianic prophecy, because that can be found by doing a general search on the internet. Instead, this is to look at HOW the messianic plan was meant to be carried out. Did Jesus do what he was supposed to do, or did he fall short of his mission?
The Moshiach- What Jews Expect
The moshiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The moshiach is often referred to as “moshiach ben David” (moshiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15), and ushers in a time of peace on earth. But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the moshiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person’s lifetime, then that person will be the moshiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the moshiach, then that person is not the moshiach.
Did Jesus miss it?
Jesus (Yeshua) was born into a Jewish family. He was a rabbi. He was well aware of the scriptures and the expectations of the Jews. So if he was the messiah, why did he not fulfill those prophesies which would meet their expectations? He certainly did miraculous works, and witnesses testify of his death and resurrection.
He knew the messiah was to be the prince of peace, so where was the peace? When he rose from the dead, why didn’t he establish peace on earth then? That would have been the best time, and would have convinced everyone. Why didn’t he defeat the Romans and take over the throne in Israel? Had he only come to suffer, die and leave, allowing his people to remain in the hands of their enemies? What kind of redemption was that?
Did Jesus know what he was doing? As enlightened as he was, as evidenced by his demonstrated wisdom and teachings, we would expect him to carefully reconsider suffering through a crucifixion, if that would not accomplish God’s purpose in the messiah. Why did he resist being declared an earthly king when the Jews wanted him to take that position? If there was supposed to be peace on earth with an earthly king, why did he say his kingdom was not of this world? This sounds very spiritual, but has no practical use to people who need to be saved from their enemies. Was his purpose to frustrate the Jews, and die as a failure?
Did Jesus know what he was doing? Was there a plan that he was following, that he expected those familiar with scriptures to recognize? What plan was he following? Why did he say he would be back later? Where he get the idea he was supposed to make 2 trips to accomplish the divine plan for the messianic kingdom? Was he way off, or right on schedule?
There is evidence from the Book of Daniel that the Messiah was to come to regain the kingdom (lost in the Garden of Eden by Adam) for the saints, and then turn it over to the saints, who would possess it, and struggle against Satan to keep it. In a final battle, the Messiah would return to join with the saints, to finally defeat the enemy and secure the kingdom forever in a royal democracy.
Messiah in 2 trips
In the book of Daniel, chapter 7, the vision of the 4 great beasts has just been given. In verse 9, the Ancient of Days is seated on his throne. The first beast is slain and the rest of the beasts have their dominion taken away, for “a season and a time.” Verses 13-14 describe the Son of Man (Messiah) coming before the Ancient of Days :
Son of man receives kingdom in heaven
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed.
Here we see the kingdom being given apparently in heaven, not on earth, to the Son of man, who is the messiah. David is given an interpretation, and told in verse 18:
The saints then take the kingdom
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Now, since the saints of the Most High just received the kingdom, they must have gotten it from the one who had it before them, which is the Son of Man (Messiah). They are possibly administrating it on his behalf, after a transfer of some sort, or it is now just theirs. The saints would be those who are faithful to the Son of Man. In verses 19-20, the fourth beast has come to power, and has 10 horns on his head, and one horn which has conquered 3 other horns. It then says in verse 21:
The fourth beast attacks the saints
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Now the kingdom is in jeopardy, with the horn apparently winning, until verse 22:
Ancient of Days judges in favor of the saints
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
The kingdom, all along, was meant to belong to the saints of the Most High, and the Messiah has an important role in making this happen. We are not looking at an absolute monarchy, but a royal democracy, where the people share in the kings’ authority.
Verse 27 says:
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
This is also confirmed in Micah 4:8
And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
Notice this does not say the kingdom will come to one man alone, the messiah. The kingdom is coming to the nation of Israel as a whole.
Isaiah 60 tells of the glory that will come to Israel:
1 “Arise, shine; for your light has come, And the glory of the LORD has risen upon you.
2 “For behold, darkness will cover the earth And deep darkness the peoples; But the LORD will rise upon you And His glory will appear upon you.
3 “Nations will come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising.
4 “Lift up your eyes round about and see; They all gather together, they come to you. Your sons will come from afar, And your daughters will be carried in the arms.
5 “Then you will see and be radiant, And your heart will thrill and rejoice; Because the abundance of the sea will be turned to you, The wealth of the nations will come to you.
The Messiah “breaks” the beast
However, the Messiah is still active in his government. Although it says, during the time of the beast, the Ancient of Days “makes a judgment in favor of the saints to possess the kingdom,” in Daniel 7:23, it also says the beast has to deal with the Prince of Princes (the Messiah) in Daniel 8:25. We see the beast “broken” by the Prince:
…. he [the beast] shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand [human means].
Since the Son of Man is in heaven in chapter 7, he would have to return to protect the saints against the beast in chapter 8.
Why Messiah not on earth when beast first attacks
In the 70 weeks prophesy, in Daniel 9:25 , it predicts that the Messiah shall be cut off (killed):
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Here, it appears that the Messiah will not be around when the beast (evil prince) comes to destroy the saints and the city, since he has been “cut off.”
If one looks to Micah, we see the rest of the explanation. The latter days begin in chapter 4, with the remnant returning, the nations coming against Israel, and the (spiritual) birth pangs begin. The The “season and a time” allowed by the Ancient of Days in Daniel 7:12 seems to be over, and the main enemy, the Assyrian (beast) is back in chapter 5. This is a new restored Israel, whose horn is made of “iron,” and its hooves are made of “bronze.” (Micah 4:13) It is not the enslaved Israel that was in submission to the Romans. It is one ready for battle with the law firmly in place (Micah 4:2).
In Micah 5:2, it says
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.
Traditionally, this has been interpreted as a description of the messiah’s predicted birthplace. But as one reviews the “current events” just described, it also takes on a spiritual meaning as well. Restored Israel is going through birth pangs for its Messiah. The one who was physically born there needs to show up “from everlasting.” The review of past and present come together in the next verse:
Micah 5:3 Therefore will he will he [Messiah] give them up, until the time [that] she [Israel] which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
Finally peace with Messiah present on earth
Messiah was cut off in Daniel 9:26, but “not for himself,” so he is cut off for whom, and why? It says here in Micah 5:3 that the Messiah gave them up, or delivered them up [to be scattered] until the birth pangs started. He is waiting for them to cry out for him. This indicates there is an interruption in time. Now, Israel has travailed and brought forth physically in 1948, and spiritually, while under attack of her enemies. The presence of the faithful remnant brings forth the Messiah. This is a spiritual rebirth as well as a physical one. It is the return and the cry of the remnant that brings the Messiah back from everlasting, where He has been waiting for them. Finally, there is peace:
Micah 5:4-5 And he [Messiah] shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
And this [man] shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
Notice that it is a united effort of Messiah and his people that defeat the Assyrian. This is because the saints share in rule with their Messiah. They finally, and fully, understand and step into their spiritual birthright – the kingdom. The Messiah was predicted, then, to make 2 trips, in order to first establish his kingdom on a spiritual level, be “cut off” by his own people, and then return to establish it on a physical one, once the Jews accepted him.
However, that is not all. More about the timing of the 2 trips.
The “Messiah” was to come after the Diaspora was brought back to Israel. The “Branch” will come and save Israel.
Jer 23:3And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jer 23:4And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:5¶Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
A hint from Jesus that the diaspora was still in effect at his first coming
Mat 10:5¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I (Jesus) am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
A hint from apostle Peter about then current diaspora
1Pe 1:1¶Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers (pilgrims) scattered (diaspora) throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Peter was writing to the Jews outside of Israel in what is modern day Turkey.
So, Did Jesus show up too soon?
No. As noted above, the kingdom first had to be received by the Son of Man. So, all Jesus was supposed to do the first time was obtain the kingdom from the Ancient of Days, which occurred after he returned to heaven, not while he was on earth. The Diaspora was still real when Jesus came as the Son of Man. So it was not “time” for the Messiah to defend Israel. He had to wait until all Israel was back in the land.
Once the saints received the kingdom from Jesus, they would have to defend it until His return. Again, there is a 2 trip concept here. The first trip was to obtain the kingdom, and establish it spiritually, putting it in the hands of the saints. The second trip was to protect the kingdom, and establish it physically on earth.
Final confirmation of Daniel by Isaiah.
Isa 52:8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall return to Zion.
Isa 52:9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
Isa 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high
*** The Jews are told that they will see the Lord eye to eye, that means in person, when the Lord returns to Zion. This implies that the Lord would have to be in physical form to be seen eye to eye. This means that the Lord is the servant- Messiah-Redeemer that they have been waiting for.
. This means he has been there before, and is returning to Zion. So far, only one individual meets this description, if he “returns.” His name is Jesus (Yashua).
Another point of disagreement is the divinity of Messiah. Did the scriptures describe a man or a supernatural being who was to come?
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Also, there seemed to be unfulfilled prophesies at the time of Jesus, because people did not understand the divine plan. To see the unfulfilled prophecies, which Jews use to express a disbelief in Jesus..
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Jesus Christ fulfilled every commandment and covered every sin in his blood when he willingly died for us on the cross. But why would christ die for sinners? For it was because of his love that he would die for us as sinners, so that we may be born again spiritually and be his sons and daughters. “For Christ so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through Him it might be saved. For the scriptures say, “I can’t wait for the day when you no longer call me master but Father, for we will be seated in heavenly places with our Lord.
Thank you for this. I have many questions about the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Questions on how to explain to family and acquintances that are Jewish about the Messiah, Is He Jesus? Why did he not fulfill prophecy? did He fulfull prophecy? Will the Jews if they are the chosen people of God will be saved?
Thank you.
Hope to hear back from you. Enjoyed this website.
Sonia,
Thank you for your comment. This had troubled me for about 10 years because my family background is Jewish even though I was raised as a Christian. I felt somehow the Jews had been tricked into not accepting their Messiah, which would have been an awful thing for God to do.
Jesus did exactly what he was supposed to do. He really was to come and then leave, and then return.
Just like today, people were not deep into the scriptures like they should have been, and relied on what happened once a week for understanding. And the leadership was too concerned with money and power to go deep enough to see what was to be expected of their Messiah.
I went looking for the answer to the question – was the Messiah supposed to come twice, and so I found what you see. Casual reading is ok, but it really helps to have certain questions in mind when you read the bible.
The issue of the Messiah having a divine or supernatural nature was also one for the Jews, yet there were scriptures showing that also. See the link about Jesus as the son of God.
God bless you.
Marianne-
The Jewish community is in an uproar, because Jews ARE turning to Jesus/Yeshua, as their Messiah!
There is a book I think would be excellent, as a source of information to find out WHY Jews (TODAY) reject Yeshua. One must remember, that Yeshua was born and raised a Jew, had a Jewish Mother, a Jewish earthly father, ALL of His disciples were Jews, and MNAY MANY JEWS DID BELIEVE the gospel message, while He was here on earth. The fallacy that Jews rejected Yeshua while He was here on earth, is bure bunk.
But the fact that Jews are turning to Yeshua is upsetting the Jewish Community. I recommnd you read the book: “26 Reasons Jews Don’t Believe In Jesus”. I recommend it ONLY as research material. I’ve read it, and their “argument” is weak, and based on misunderstood scriptures- both New Testament (Brit Chadasha) and the Tanakh.
Chag Sameach! Happy Passover-
Amber
Awesome news about Messiah. I will try to get the book. When I post, I try to give answers to traditional objections, so that their academic issues are satisfied. Chag Sameach, Yom Tov!
So accdording to some passages in Matt about the gentile girl coming to Jesus to ask him to save her daughter or sister I think, he tells her that he came only for the jews. But because of her faith, he helped her. Does this mean he did only come for the jews? Does Jesus, God, love or prefer the Jews over everyone else? I thought there was no preference with God. He loves everyone equally.
Please help me understand this and explain if possible. thanks.
Dear BT.
Jesus came for everyone, but there was a certain order in which he was doing things.
Since the Jews were waiting for their Messiah, he was coming to them first. Once that had been accomplished, and the Jews knew him, he would use the Jews to reach the Gentiles.
This was the most efficient way to do things, since the Jews already knew the bible, and could teach others. This is why the first 12 apostles were Jews. They were easier to train and teach. The gentiles knew nothing about the bible and it would take longer to teach them.
So his plan was….to first the Jew, then the gentile. But the plan included everyone.
Love,
marianne
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The coming messiah will be Torah observant, meaning his Bible won’t include the NT. I look out my window and see war. jc didn’t accomplish the tasks and for that reason, there was no need to reject him since he obviously didn’t qualify by measurement of his lack of achievements, as required by the Hebrew Bible, not the Greek mistranslation of it.
Scriptures tell us none but G-d is to be worshipped that means the coming messiah too; for he is to be a man born of a man and a woman. Virgin birth is pagan and a myth shared by too many beliefs to be the path of unique redemption. Furthermore, Jews are matrilineal and since Joseph didn’t take part in the making, cannot pass on his bloodline, except by *magic* and we circle around to pagan influences again.
Who will the messiah worship? Himself?
What Gentiles need to learn about is Noahism and the Seven Laws starting with “There is none but G-d.” There is no other and He is not a man that He should lie.
Hello wharold
I think you are responding to traditional thinking of Christians, and not this post. Take a second look at what I said here. One of the things I do is correct “traditional thinking” of Christians.
I agree with you, and Jesus agrees with you. There is only one God and Jesus never said he was God. What he did say was that he was the son of God, and that the Father was greater than he was. The concept of “the son of God” is a separate discussion from the Messiah topic here. You will see this is true if you actually read the gospels. Why he said it, and what he meant by what he said, and why the leadership did not grasp his true meaning, is a different topic. Jesus was an observant Jew,.
He made it plain that he did not come to establish peace on earth and be king (Messiah). When he had the chance, he refused. So why was he here, and what was he only trying to accomplish?
There is a two part prophecy of Daniel I was addressing, and Jesus was part of.
First there is a “Son of Man” who comes and then appears before the Ancient of Days after securing the kingdom of God. He then transfers it to the saints, to empower them against the enemy (the beast). This is all he does. This is part #1.
Later, when the 4th beast comes to full power, in the last days, the beast wars against the saints and overcomes them, and the danger is there that they will be destroyed. Then the “Prince of princes (Messiah)” comes and breaks the power of the beast, and saves his people. This is part #2.
Jesus only came to fulfill part #1. So he did not come to be the Messiah described in part 2. That would be later when the beast comes to full power. So what was he supposed to do to secure the kingdom?
The blood of animals never fixed man’s inner nature. He always sinned. The servant described in Isaiah was – yes- supposed to be the nation of Israel, but Israel failed to do its job. God called his servant blind ( Isaiah 42:19). His servant was not a light to the gentiles. They could not even stay out of sin themselves. So the Son of Man ( Daniel 7, part #1), representing Israel, had to do what the people failed to do, first by his own efforts, and then with the righteous remnant that would return.
blessings
marianne
Hello!
My name is Anders Branderud, I am 23 years and I am from Sweden. I have practised Orthodox Judaism through Netzarim (www.netzarim.co.il) in Ra’anana in Israel (led by the Orthodox Jew Paqid Yirmeyahu ha-Tzadiq), who are followers of Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – since 2007-05. Before that I was a devoted Christian for 6 years.
By practising Torah non-selectively we make the world a better place to live in!
You write: “t is legitimate to say that Jesus (Yeshua) did not fulfill all the messianic prophesies, and this lack of fulfillment is the basis for a split between Christianity and Judaism”
The research of world-recognized authorities (for example Barrie Wilson; ) in this area implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee (a Torah-practising Jewish group) – who according to 4Q MMT (a Scroll found in the Qumran-caves) practised both written and oral Torah.
That Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee implies that you need to practise his Torah-teachings if want to follow him. You do that by practising Torah (including oral Torah; see “Mishpat” and “Halakhah” at Glossaries in the first page at the above website)!
Ribi Yehoshua warned for false prophets who don’t produce good fruit = defined as don’t practise the commandments in Torah according to Halakhah (oral Torah; see “Mishpat” and “Halakhah” at Glossaries in the first page at the abvove website). See Devarim (Deuteronomy) 13:1-6.
If Ribi Yehoshua didn’t keep Halakhah he is a false prophet. Torah gives authority to Halakhah (as I said see the glossaries-definition at our website).
Why Jews don’t believe J*esus was the להבדיל Messiah is simply because he didn’t keep Torah and Halakhah.
So the real Messiah was the Jew Ribi Yehoshua who practised Torah and Halakhah.
To quote the first century Ribi Yehoshua: “Happy are they to be who hunger and thirst after tzedaqah [justness according to Torah; that is practising the מצות in תורה (Torah)], for they shall be filled of it.” [The Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu 5:3].
All the best,
From Anders Branderud
Dear Anders
I appreciate your comments and insights from a Jewish perspective.
You are saying that there were 2 different people ??? :
1. the real Messiah – Jew Ribi Yehoshua who practised Torah and Halakhah
2. Jesus – who did not keep Torah and Halakhah
please explain….
blessings and Yom Tov
marianne
Hello Marianne!
I am glad to hear that you appreciate it!!
If you want to learn about the difference, please visit our website:
http://www.netzarim.co.il ; then click at the post “Christians”
Be blessed when you practise Torah and its mitzwot (commandments)!
From Anders Branderud
Hello Marianne!
I am glad to hear that you appreciate it!!
If you want to learn about the difference, please visit our website:
http://www.netzarim.co.il ; then click at the post “Christians”
Be blessed when you practise Torah and its mitzwot (commandments)!
From Anders Branderud
Dear Anders
Please answer original question….are you saying there are 2 different people, or just 2 versions of the same person.?
Anyhow, I need to leave for awhile. I do observe Torah. Today is Shemini Atzeret and I need to get to shul.
I am a Christian with Jewish ancestry who “went back home” to worship with my own people.
blessings
marianne
I must say that this is probably the most impressive blog post i’ve ever read (at least on the topic of Jesus).. I’m still giving thought to weather or not i should read the “To see the unfulfilled prophecies, which Jews use to express a disbelief in Jesus”, and i think i’ll go for it, as you’re quite good at putting information together in a way for it to make sense for everyone else, thank you.
Hi Muslim,
Thank you for the kind words. I am a little different than most Christian writers. I am also a scientist, so I look at things from an academic perspective, and I try to look at all the information before giving a summary. You will see articles here on science as well, where events in nature seem to support scripture and prophecy, which is consistent with a Creator, and intelligent design of the universe.
I wrote this post here, because I have never seen any Christian scholar prove to others that Jesus was supposed to come twice. I have also never seen them tackle the objections that Muslims and Jews have about the identity of Jesus, the way it is presented by the traditional church, which I happen to disagree with. Muslims and Jews have certain legitimate objections, but Christian teachers just say it is a matter of faith, rather than finding scriptures that answer the legitimate questions.
Since these questions bothered me, and I wanted the answers too, I set out to find the scriptures, to help clarify the issues.
Here, in the book of Daniel, it was shown that who we now know as Jesus would come first as the son of man, to accomplish a redemptive work, and set up a spiritual kingdom. Only when he returns, to save the world from the antichrist, will he come as a king, or Messiah. It is a little confusing to put he two roles together, because then, a person would say he failed in some way.
But he was meant to come twice, and do certain things each time. I have spent much time with Jews, and they read the Torah every week, and do not get much further than that, outside of some passages from Ezechiel and Isaiah. I have seen their Chumash, the book they read from, and I have not noticed the book of Daniel quoted in there. That is why they are missing this revelation.
If you go to this page, you will see a summary of different studies about the nature of Jesus
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/jesus-who-is-he/
On thing Muslims say that is true is that the trinity makes no sense. They are correct. From the bible, Jesus never said he was God. He said he was God’s (spiritual) son, which gives him certain qualities. There was no “wife.” But you have to understand what he meant by that.
There is only one God, and that is the Father, and Jesus said this. Jesus pre-existed in heaven before he came to earth, as a heavenly personality, but he was never equal to the Father. He is there now, and will return. The catholic church teaches this wrong, because they did not put enough thought into studying the scriptures. This has caused much confusion. The Protestants did not understand it either, so they just accepted what the Catholic church said. This is stupid, when the answers are right there for everyone.
I can give more explanations, but this response would get too long. Thank you for visiting my site. Please feel free to look around. You are welcome to agree, disagree, put up your own views. The idea here is to debate and discuss what is on our minds, so we can find the truth that God wants us to have.
blessings and peace
marianne
Dear Marianne,
The Bible is full of myths hence can’t be proved scientifically. You said you are a christian and a scientist, and you looked at things from an academic perspectives. I am a Christian like you but i am not a scientist and i believe in jesus’ resurrection. How about you? Do you believe he rose again from the dead judging from your academic/scientific perspectives?
regards
msu_74
Hi msu_74
First of all, to be “scientific,” just because there is no evidence, does not mean something is a myth. For example, we have no proof as to what is on the planet Pluto, but this does not discount what is there as true.
For most of the history of science, we could not prove what DNA was, until the last century. And these were about physical things. Imagine trying to prove something that is not physical with physical methods.
The way people find confirmation of the Bible is that what God did thousands of years ago, He still can do and does now. If he worked a miracle then, he can work a miracle now.
Regarding the resurrection, that has been studied scientifically.
1. the Shroud of Turin, or burial cloth of Jesus, has been examined by scientists to see if it was that of Jesus, if he resurrected. An image was left on the cloth of a crucified man. While false critics claimed it was just a painted image on the cloth, all evidence pointed to a supernatural nuclear event bursting through the cloth, leaving an impression. It was not paint, the pollen grains indicated it was of middle east origin, and there was a 3 dimensional image INSIDE the cloth. The carbon dating was off, making it seem newer, until a microbiologist found a bacterium growing on it that produced a waxy coating that would decrease the dating on the shroud. So the shroud was really older than the carbon dating said. And it was about the right age (2000 years old) The technology today does not exist to reproduce the image that was examined on the cloth.
2. Medical analysis of the suffering of Christ on the cross has been published. It accurately describes in medical terms how Christ died, and that there was no way he could have survived the ordeal, which discounts claims that he “fainted” and was removed before he died, so that he could recover. he had lost too much blood, his lungs had collapsed, and there was tissue fluid filling his lungs. He died from the shock of high blood loss affecting his heart, which went into cardiac arrest. Also, the way he was positioned on the cross made it increasingly difficult to breathe, as he had to push up with his feet in order to take each breath. As blood loss continued, as well as pain out of control, he was no longer able to do this and collapsed, stopping the air flow into his lungs.
Anders visited my blog with the same writing, all poor scholarship. My rebuttal is here.
HI David,
What exactly did I say that is the “same” as Anders? I read your blog, and really did not follow well what he was saying.
My point here is that Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophesies when he came the first time (example; peace on earth), because it was predicted that he would come twice, and complete all works by the second coming.
blessings
marianne
I strongly disagree with the catholic faith, because of their practices of witchcraft. But the trinity is correct. Jesus claimed in the bible over and over again that he was god.
http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/said_god.htm
http://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html
“We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33)
The Jews understood what he was saying from his statements, he was claiming to be their holy god.
not to mention statements such as i and the father are one, and he is in me and i am in him, (paraphrased)
do your research and you shall find the truth, because i myself doubted the trinity, but after alot of research the conclusion is that the trinity is correct.
Hi elsid aliaj
I acknowledge the Father, Son and holy Spirit. It is the relationship between the 3 that is the subject of discussion.
Jesus said he was the Son of God, and that God was his Father, then he said “the Father is greater than I.” So there is not an equality present. Jesus also directed us to pray to the Father in his name, but not to him. He said he came to do his Father’s will, not his own. This indicates that he was submissive to the Father, not equal to him.
Now, once Jesus went back to heaven His status was elevated.
However, from the very beginning, before he came to earth, Jesus was divine in nature. He has to be divine, if his Father is divine, just like you are human, if your father is human. But you are not your father, and if you are in your father’s house, he is the boss.
Even in some epistles of Paul, we see a distinction between the Father as “officially” God, and then the Lord is Jesus Christ, as if there is a distinction between them. There are no quotes from written scripture where Jesus announces “I am God.” He does admit that he is the Son of God.
Check:
1 Cor 3:6
Gal 1:3, 3:26
Eph 1:2-3, 4:5-6
Phil 1:2, 2:6,9, 11
blessings
marianne
Like I said before. The Jewish people don’t believe that the Messiah has come so they are primed for the deception of the antichrist. They will be deceived into thinking that the antichrist is the messiah.
After that Christ will come back as the Lion of Judah to save Israel from itself.
P.S. Based on your posts I kind of thought that you were Jewish. That explains a lot.
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What did God Say About Having a Weapon for= Self-Defense?
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Liberal Jews tell us that it is “bad” to have a gun in your home.= This arrogantly assumes that you must be a bad person because inanimate= objects can’t be “bad” except in the hands of a criminal.= Communist societies were infamous for taking guns away from their citizens,= and Communist societies went on to mass murder over 100 million people= during the twentieth century as noted in “The Black Book of= Communism”.
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In Luke 22:35 and 36, Jesus told his disciples: “And he said unto them,= When I sent you …, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said= he unto them, But now…. he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment,= and buy one.”
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Any reasonable person should be able to draw the obvious conclusion that if= the disciples of Jesus were told to actually sell their coat to buy a= sword, then righteous men should be able to arm themselves for defense= against criminals.
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Once again, the Jews want us to be all disarmed in a police state, that they= will control, and God wants us to be able to protect ourselves with a= weapon.
The order of evil posits a more complex reality than Christianity, and consequently develops a more independent, naturalistic and chaotic philosophy. The response of Christianity and other forms of control is fear and recrimination. The Altar of Blasphemy reveals the heartbeat of heresy, but it is only your will that can give birth to your own demon.
The question is, who is causing all the trouble? Why is our economy collapsing? Why are we fighting so many wars? Who are the REAL terrorists? Who’s behind the abortion slaughter? Who’s behind the nationalizing of American business? Who owns the federal reserve Bank (it is a privet bank)? Why do we pay interest on our own money?
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God came and talked to me. He spent 3 years and I wrote down volumes of what he had to say. In a very long story that God told about Jesus, ended up in him saying that Jesus was NOT the prophet. He said that Jesus wasn’t even his name. The Romans made that name up when they made up the NT. Jesus is a Greek word and it doesn’t translate into Yeshua. Remember the Disciples were Hebrews and they would have written in their own language, Hebrew. The NT was written in Greek because the Romans wrote it. That was too easy to figure out. The Jews still speak Hebrew today, they never gave up their language for Greek.
Now I wouldn’t have researched that if God hadn’t talked to me, cause I didn’t care about the Bible. But the rest of you study it and you couldn’t figure something that simple out.
OK, maybe I wasn’t being fair to you. So I will give you another example from God. God says that the Pope is a Pagan. Now God is very fond of Pope Benedict XVI and he goes to Heaven even though he is a Pagan. How is the Pope a Pagan? The Church says that Jesus died for you. Jesus died for your sins. That is Human Sacrifice. Pagans practiced Human Sacrifice. ARe you following me here? When the Romans put the NT together they incorporated their ideas of Human Sacrifice into the story of Jesus. Remember the Romans served up numbers of humans to the dieties, they knew all about Human Sacrifice and how they thought it worded out for them. It also was their source of entertainment in the same way you watch violent movies. They didn’t have TV like you do. Really think about it, why would someone as intellgent as God need a Human Sacrifice. You people really can’t think he is like that, he is not a blood thirsty monster. Parents don’t sacrifice their children, especically. It is just dumb to think that someone else has to suffer for your sins. If you have been bad, your going to suffer for your own sins. God says Judgment is very real. You have all been decieved. Now I am not going to be hard on you for being deceived, cause I was just like you until God pointed a few things out to me. So don’t feel bad for being stupid.
God says that resurrection is real. You just don’t get your old body back. Your old body is trash. It is disposed of. You get a new body in your Father House. Don’t look at me, that is what God said. That is the word of God. No one saw Jesus walking around in his old dead body. If they did they are a liar.
Dear Melanie
The Romans did not write the New Testament. The apostles did. The gospels were written in Hebrew and translated later into Greek. Some were written in Greek to begin with, but that was to communicate with the gentiles, who did not know Hebrew.
Jesus offered his life to pay for our sins. This is self-sacrifice, not pagan sacrifice.
Jesus name in Hebrew would have translated “God is salvation.” This would be Yahoshua in Hebrew, but many people shorten it to jut Yeshua, which means salvation.
THe bible is the Word of God. I suggest you read it for the first time. I understand your sincerity, but you do not seem to know what is written in the bible, from the remarks you made. Jesus had a glorified body after the resurrection.
jesus christ is the son of GOD my friend when he spoke of earthly things the people did not understand…when he spoke of heavenly things the people could not relate…jesus did bring peace to all those who believe in the faith he died for OUR sins my friend he did not leave he is inside all of those who open there hearts as god was in him when he was on earth doing miracles how else you think jesus was doing these things he saved us from our selves we are our biggest enemy cause we are the ones responsible for our sins not our enemies jesus says love your enemies ….hard isint it ? well we sin againts god ALL the time god has no fellowship with sin which makes us transgressors of the law “enemies” of god cause we disobey him yet he loves us …makes sense why jesus would say that right? jesus did not come here preaching his ressurection he spoke of the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and praised the lord GOD at all time his words were fruit pleasent to all those who heard this great wisdom that has possesed there understanding in achiveing what we recon as words of grace truth and power remember god spoke and things were created jesus is the word of god that came to give testimony againts the world and it hated him for it why ….cause the world is full of sin and walks in darkness and its deeds are dark so how can jesus say he is of this world! you and i are from this world this is why we are the way we are but jesus is not there was no sin in him just truth,life,and the way to god …he has been with the father since the begining look at genesis when god said “LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE WITH OUR LIKENESS” who is god talking to if he was all alone…. live forever in the truth my friend cause the good and the bad trees must grow together but soon all those tress who do not bear fruit will be chopt down and tosst into the fire every eye every tounge shall see the son of man in the day of his glory filled with power from god the father who is was and always will be alpha omega the iam! god bless you and may god keep you my friend your brother in christ full of peace in faith …john